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From: eharley@pacbell.net (Eric Harley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: NeXTStep on Sun Sparc 1+? Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:28:44 -0800 Organization: Command-Help Consultants Message-ID: <eharley-3010971828450001@ppp-207-214-149-115.snrf01.pacbell.net> Does anybody know if I can get 3.3 NS to work on a Sparc 1+? Just Another Perl Hacker
From: Albino Santos <asantos@individual.EUnet.pt> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Installing 3.3 from ATAPI CD-ROM Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:31:06 +0100 Organization: VANTeC Message-ID: <344E7EAA.4CECCC7A@individual.EUnet.pt> References: <62c4cd$ejl@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Erik M Rauch <rauch@mit.edu> Erik M Rauch wrote: > > Hello, > I'm trying to install NeXTStep 3.3 on a Pentium 200 system with > EIDE/ATAPI controller that has one HD on the primary controller and a > CD-ROM on the secondary. I load the drivers off the floppy (including > the new EIDE driver that can handle the secondary CD-ROM), and it > goes into the NeXTStep boot window, but won't read the CD because of > "No Valid Disk Label". > > Is there something I'm doing wrong? > Is there at least a way to get to a point where I have a prompt and I > can format hard disks and copy files? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Here is the last part of the boot window output: > .. stuff deleted. For installation purposes, you must use the CDROM in the primary controller, after installation you can put the CDROM in second controller and add another instance of the EIDE driver with IRQ=15 Mem=170. Hope it helps, -- Albino Santos Email albino@vantec.pt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ VANTeC Tel +351 2 6107420 Rua da Preciosa, 306 - 1 Fax +351 2 6107419 4100 PORTO MIME & NeXTmail welcome PORTUGAL URL: http://www.cibertribe.pt/vantec/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Adam;Hall@nashville.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 15 year old needs help re registry & bad sectors Date: 31 Oct 1997 17:26:45 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Message-ID: <63d4cl$34v$1@usenet89.supernews.com> References: <639tl1$eor$11@svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net> In <639tl1$eor$11@svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net>, "John McCourt" <user@jimmy.softnet.co.uk> writes: > >I recently had a new hard disk installed, it had no bad sectors. I have had >trouble with starting computer - message saying could not write to C and to >repair registry. It was not able to repair. Suggests to run scandisk, I have >run scandisk a few times, each time it corrects a lot of problems and says >there are bad sectors. The amount of bad sectors has increased each time I >run scandisk. >Why will the computer not write to drive C? >What causes bad sectors? Can they be fixed? >What is causing the computer not to read the registry? Can it be repaired? >The only way I can get the computer to run is install Windows 95 again, that >works untill I restart then the problem repeats. >Any help would be welcome but please keep it simple as I am a 15 year >old beginner. >John McCourt > > > Lesson 1: Post in the correct newsgroup
From: me@seifert.educ.mun.ca (Tim Seifert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Installing NS3.3 Date: 30 Oct 1997 14:42:13 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <63a6c5$hrj$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Can I install NS 3.3 using IDE CD-ROM? The instructions manual specifies SCSI. Can IDE be used? Thanks, Tim Seifert St. John's, Newfoundland
From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Installing NS3.3 Date: 31 Oct 1997 17:47:22 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <63d5ja$t32$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <63a6c5$hrj$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: me@seifert.educ.mun.ca In <63a6c5$hrj$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Tim Seifert wrote: > Can I install NS 3.3 using IDE CD-ROM? The instructions manual specifies > SCSI. Can IDE be used? Yes, you can use IDE/ATAPI CD Roms, or hard drives for that matter, with NS 3.3. However, you will need to download the the latest drivers from NeXTanswers: http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/1921.htmld/1921.html http://ent.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2078.htmld/2078.html Matthew [Posted and mailed] -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <63ctcq$4s81@srv060.ssd.fsi.com> From: root@dev1.ssd.fsi.com Date: 31 Oct 1997 15:27:22 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.sys.next.misc y Control: newgroup comp.sys.next.misc y Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server.
From: Long Wong <long.wong@csfb.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: PGP for NeXTStep Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:33:26 -0500 Organization: CS First Boston Distribution: world Message-ID: <345A4EA5.3FA6BF54@csfb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2BF335B2592A2849F7CB33FF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2BF335B2592A2849F7CB33FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have looked at the FAQs, but don't see any reference to PGP on NeXTStep boxes. Does anyone know if there is a PGP version for NeXTStep (preferably v3.3 and v4.2). Thanks, long.wong@csfb.com --------------2BF335B2592A2849F7CB33FF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Long Wong Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Long Wong n: Wong;Long org: CS First Boston adr: Equity Technology;;Eleven Madison Avenue, 3rd floor;New York;NY;10010;USA email;internet: long.wong@csfb.com tel;work: (212()325-2969 tel;fax: (212)-325-8075 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------2BF335B2592A2849F7CB33FF--
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: NeXTStep on Sun Sparc 1+? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EIxEpy.Hor@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:17:58 GMT References: <eharley-3010971828450001@ppp-207-214-149-115.snrf01.pacbell.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <eharley-3010971828450001@ppp-207-214-149-115.snrf01.pacbell.net>, Eric Harley <eharley@pacbell.net> wrote: >Does anybody know if I can get 3.3 NS to work on a Sparc 1+? > Nope. MicroSPARC II and SuperSPARC only (SS4, SS5, some SS10, and some SS20s). -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: root@dev1.ssd.fsi.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.sys.next.misc y Control: newgroup comp.sys.next.misc y Date: 31 Oct 1997 15:27:22 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Message-ID: <63f89a$kkb$96@glitnir.ifi.uio.no> Control message generated by Netscape Collabra Server.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <13622877838422@digifix.com> Date: 2 Nov 1997 04:46:00 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <398878446823@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. 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From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <63fapd$hsb$11579@usenet76.supernews.com> Control: cancel <63fapd$hsb$11579@usenet76.supernews.com> Date: 01 Nov 1997 14:06:47 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.63fapd$hsb$11579@usenet76.supernews.com> Sender: jwentzky@inova.net Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: Adam;Hall@nashville.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GAME: Hopkins: FBI, coming soon for Rhapsody. Date: 29 Oct 1997 04:59:23 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Message-ID: <636frb$79a$10@usenet48.supernews.com>
From: Albino Santos <asantos@individual.EUnet.pt> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Installing NS3.3 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 17:03:34 +0000 Organization: VANTeC Message-ID: <345B60E6.E32CD1F5@individual.EUnet.pt> References: <63a6c5$hrj$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Tim Seifert <me@seifert.educ.mun.ca> Tim Seifert wrote: > > Can I install NS 3.3 using IDE CD-ROM? The instructions manual specifies > SCSI. Can IDE be used? > > Thanks, > Tim Seifert > St. John's, Newfoundland Yes, when the install process asks for additional drivers, you need to load the IDE or EIDE driver. Bye -- Albino Santos Email albino@vantec.pt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ VANTeC Tel +351 2 6107420 Rua da Preciosa, 306 - 1 Fax +351 2 6107419 4100 PORTO MIME & NeXTmail welcome PORTUGAL URL: http://www.cibertribe.pt/vantec/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: <user@msn.com> Subject: NXHost with OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:19:07 -0500 Message-ID: <OIjj8N758GA.260@upnetnews03> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Can you NXHost to an NT box running OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT from a NeXT running OpenStep, thereby running NeXTSTEP apps on NT?
From: phractal@aol.com (Phractal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: hostname not recognized Date: 3 Nov 1997 05:18:59 GMT Message-ID: <19971103051800.AAA19124@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com hello my NeXT does not seem to recognize it's own hostname. programs like /bin/talk request the hostname and return errors. any help is appreciated. thanks phractal@aol.com
From: Doug <hamilto@cc.umanitoba.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXHost with OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:11:52 +0000 Organization: University of Manitoba Message-ID: <345DF7C6.DEE4BA67@cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <OIjj8N758GA.260@upnetnews03> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following was found at www.macosrumors.com : "On the topic of OpenStep/Rhapsody's ability to run applications -- even the Finder itself, most likely -- across networks, earlier rumors indicating that Rhapsody can cast its new interface across networks has been proven. In OpenStep 4.2 for Intel, one reader was able to cast the Rhapsody DR1 UI across a network, causing a text editor to look the same as on its native system (a DR1/PPC machine), Mac-style menu bar and all." This might ellude to the possibility of running NXHost served from a NeXT system to OpenStep on Intel. Hope this helps a little bit. D.H.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Whereabouts of the "Multi-house" icon Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EJ39MK.41s@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:13:32 GMT Organization: University of Waterloo Anyone know where the TIFF for the home directory and "multiple house" icons live? I looked around in /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app (and WM.app under that) and didn't see anything. I didn't get too aggressive with otool and segedit, though. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: doyle@aps.org (Mark Doyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Whereabouts of the "Multi-house" icon Date: 4 Nov 1997 04:27:28 GMT Organization: American Physical Society Message-ID: <63m87g$jr1$1@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> References: <EJ39MK.41s@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Hi, dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote: > Anyone know where the TIFF for the home directory and "multiple house" > icons live? I looked around in /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app (and WM.app > under that) and didn't see anything. I didn't get too aggressive with > otool and segedit, though. You just about had it. They are in the English.lproj directory within Workspace.app: /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/English.lproj/home.tiff and /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/English.lproj/neighbor.tiff Cheers, Mark
From: Username Not Specified <jugdish@beale.nospam.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NeXT Cube motherboard question Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:42:22 -0600 Organization: Organization Not Specified Message-ID: <345E534E.5915@beale.nospam.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: jugdish@beale.com I am building what Rob Blessin calls a 'monster cube;' a Pentium family motherboard in an existing NeXT Cube. Since my Cube did not have a motherboard in it when I bought it, I don't have the dimensions of a NeXT cube motherboard, which I need for this project... What is the width (slot to slot) of the NeXT cube motherboard? I believe it is just under eleven inches. Any help would be appreciated. Frank C jugdish@beale.com
From: Chuck Swiger <cswiger@blacksmith.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to reformat drive? Date: 3 Nov 1997 23:49:47 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <63lnur$n38$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <63lk4f$k58$1@agate.berkeley.edu> bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu (Brian Osborne) wrote: > My trusty Nextstation running NS 3.3 has seemed to > have been bumped a little too hard during my move > from CA to NY. I'd like to reformat the internal > (sd0a) and reinstall the system (I can't seem to > be able to reinstall the system, and fsck complains > about a bad super-block). I have my 3.3 CD and the > installation floppy, but no "boot floppy". Can I > reformat using just these? My Nextstep books are > not helpful. Yes, you can reformat the system by booting into single-user mode (or waiting for fsck to bail), and using /usr/etc/disk or /usr/etc/sdform. However, you might first want to try to 'fsck -b 16 /dev/rsd0a' to try and repair the filesystem using an alternate superblock. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cswiger@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+------------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: mbessey@apple.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NXHost with OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT Date: 4 Nov 1997 01:59:41 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <63lvid$6ko$1@news.apple.com> References: <OIjj8N758GA.260@upnetnews03> <user@msn.com> writes > Can you NXHost to an NT box running OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT > from a NeXT running OpenStep, thereby running NeXTSTEP apps on NT? It's not officially supported, but it does work. Looks pretty damn strange, too :-) -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: PGP for NeXTStep Date: 3 Nov 1997 13:51:03 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Distribution: world Message-ID: <63kks7$1jh$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <345A4EA5.3FA6BF54@csfb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: long.wong@csfb.com In <345A4EA5.3FA6BF54@csfb.com> Long Wong wrote: > I have looked at the FAQs, but don't see any reference to PGP on > NeXTStep boxes. I find pgp 2.6.3i works well for me under NS 3.3 or OS 4.2. Of course, being in the States, you'll need to use the USA version. Just grab the latest version from the usual place you would get PGP sources from (pgp.mit.edu I think) and compile and install it. pgp will run just fine as a command line program. There aren't that many NeXT apps. that can make use of PGP directly: the EnhanceMail bundle being the big exception. There's also a PGP.app which exists mostly to provide a service menu item. Cheers, Matthew [Posted and mailed] -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
From: abruce@peop.tdsnet.com (Angie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: modem "no dialtone" Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:22:05 GMT Organization: TDSNET Internet Services(http://www.tds.net) Message-ID: <63282d$pha@news2.tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm posting this for a friend because she can't get online. At first her computer was saying it didn't see the modem, now it see it but the error message says "no dialtone" ?? She's changed the phone line and hooked a phone to it as well an using the phone she hears the dialtone and it able to dial. Any suggestions on what to check now ?? Thanks, Angie
From: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXHost with OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT Date: 4 Nov 1997 08:12:46 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <63mldu$3cp$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <OIjj8N758GA.260@upnetnews03> <user@msn.com> wrote: > Can you NXHost to an NT box running OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT from > a NeXT running OpenStep, thereby running NeXTSTEP apps on NT? Yes. --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
From: Denis Olivier <dolivier@tiga.systonic.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: RSA Secret Key Challenge ! we need your power computing ! Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:34:55 +0100 Organization: Systonic, Bordeaux, France. Message-ID: <345F4EAF.150F@tiga.systonic.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RSA Secret Key Challenge ! we need your power computing ! We GET some places in the TEAM Rank !!!!! :))))))) The Novell Team is now under us ! Tell about us to your friends ! http://rc5stats.distributed.net/tmsummary.idc?TM=159 WE NEED MORE POWER !!!!!!!!!!! 31 Oct 1997 07:59 Email : 46 Team : 34 blocks : 29413 k/s : 7616.38 30 Oct 1997 20:59 Email : 179 Team : 89 blocks : 4435 k/s : 1722.63 30 Oct 1997 18:59 Email : 180 Team : 83 blocks : 4302 k/s : 1670.63 30 Oct 1997 14:59 Email : 186 Team : 62 blocks : 4063 k/s : 1577.63 30 Oct 1997 12:59 Email : 187 Team : 52 blocks : 3967 k/s : 1540.63 30 Oct 1997 11:59 Email : 187 Team : 49 blocks : 3909 k/s : 1518.96 30 Oct 1997 10:59 Email : 188 Team : 49 blocks : 3870 k/s : 1502.96 WE NEED MORE POWER, just for the act !!!! When you're not rendering, please computing !!!! There's clients for Unix, HPUX, SGI, SCO, LINUX, NT, 95, MAC, BeOS, DOS, RHAPSODY etc... If you want to join the Team, please email me for me to tell you what identification you need to use to cumulate with our results. Or directly go to our site specially created for the challenge : http://www.systonic.fr/rc5/ POV-RC5 mailing created : ----------------------- As members are from many countries, the language will be english here !! to send message to the list, the email address is : pov-rc5-request@tiga.systonic.fr with the words "join pov-rc5" in the body. You will receive discussion and stats on our team !!! If friends are not here, please them me their email. -- Denis Olivier, http://www.povlab.org, 3D modeller for POV-Ray 3.0 __________________________________________________________________ An image ? http://www.povlab.org/cyber.asp?url=download/pgtsb.jpg Job and work area http://www.cyberstation.fr/~dolivier/artist.html
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Whereabouts of the "Multi-house" icon Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EJ5263.CF5@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:27:38 GMT References: <EJ39MK.41s@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <63m87g$jr1$1@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <63m87g$jr1$1@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>, Mark Doyle <doyle@aps.org> wrote: > >You just about had it. They are in the English.lproj directory within >Workspace.app: > >/usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/English.lproj/home.tiff and >/usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/English.lproj/neighbor.tiff > Duh on me! I only have English installed; do you get different looking houses for other languages? ;) -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Marc Monticelli <monticel@inln.cnrs.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXHost with OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:48:08 +0100 Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis Message-ID: <345F51C8.7F858124@inln.cnrs.fr> References: <OIjj8N758GA.260@upnetnews03> <63mldu$3cp$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Marcel Bresink <bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Marcel Bresink wrote: > > <user@msn.com> wrote: > > Can you NXHost to an NT box running OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT from > > a NeXT running OpenStep, thereby running NeXTSTEP apps on NT? > > Yes. > Are you sure ? Have you try it. It doesn't work at our lab. NeXT also had say it doesn't work. But if you can, explain me how. Thanks.
From: Ian Kerr <ikerr@macromedia.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.3 or 4.2 Intel Wanted Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:39:24 +0000 Organization: Macromedia Message-ID: <345F5DC9.4757@macromedia.com> References: <63a6c5$hrj$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought 3.1 and 3.2 for intel and still have the box. I would like to upgrade, I didn't have great experiences with 3.1 or 3.2 but would like to get the machine running again so I can start with Nextstep again. Does anyone have a 3.3 or later CD? I have all the 3.1 and 3.2 books -Ian on my own time
From: rahim <rahim@auzeria.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Any Next Users around Chicago? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:19:34 -0600 Organization: MegsInet, Inc. - Midwestern Internet Services Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971105175917.120A-100000@tabriz.auzeria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am next user, and would like to make contact with other Next users in the area about having a users group. please contact me if you are around chicago. **************************************************************************** .--. __ .--------- Rahim Azizarab / / \( )/ ---- 1925 S. 3rd Ave //// ' \/ ` --- Maywood, IL 60153 // / / : :-- 708-344-6994 // //..\\ rahim@megsinet.net =UU====UU= ***************************************************************************
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From: mario@sagus-securityREMOVE.com (Mario Stargard) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Writing NextStep disks from BSD? Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:09:53 GMT Organization: SAGUS Security Incorporated Message-ID: <3461c14f.82924670@news> References: <63qs5e$o22@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> On 5 Nov 1997 22:32:14 GMT, rauch@mit.edu (Erik M Rauch) wrote: >Are any of the Free BSD variants able to read and write NextStep >disks? I'd like to be able to format and write to an IDE disk such >that NextStep can read it. > >Thanks, >-Erik Rauch > > How 'bout using a FAT filesystem? NeXT can read that. NeXT can also read MacFilesystems. Cheers, Mario -- Mario Stargard | "Security for an OPEN World" Corporate LAN Administrator | Network security solutions for SAGUS Security Incorporated | the enterprise. (613) 234-7300 | http://www.sagus-security.com
From: Charles Sturridge <Charles@silpics.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next to Mac Transfers Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:37:52 +0000 Message-ID: <3461E44F.1D29@silpics.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having worked on a Nextstation Colour for many years now, it is beginning to show it's age, although without losing it's beauty. I am however transferring most of my files to my Mac in anticipation of the arrval of Rhapsody. Most of the documents are in WriteNow(Next), which does not appear to be read by WriteNow(Mac). Is there any way that these files can be converted (to RTF for example) other than by opening and re-saving each one individually (there are several hundred). Any advice appreciated.
From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Writing NextStep disks from BSD? Date: 6 Nov 1997 18:56:58 -0500 Organization: Panix Message-ID: <63tlga$nm6@panix2.panix.com> References: <63qs5e$o22@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <63qs5e$o22@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, Erik M Rauch <rauch@mit.edu> wrote: >Are any of the Free BSD variants able to read and write NextStep >disks? I'd like to be able to format and write to an IDE disk such >that NextStep can read it. Even on the Intel, NeXTStep uses approximately a big-endian 4.3BSD filesystem. So you'd need to munge the filesystem code to swap bytes, about like you'd need to in order to read SUN filesystems. Unfortunately, that's not enough. NeXT added several elements to the *middle* of key filesystem structures, which makes it a real PITA to read NeXT FFS on any other machine even after you've got the byteorder part dealt with. I've been paid to do essentially this task twice now. I did it two different ways, don't own either set of source code, and didn't enjoy myself either time. -- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com "And where do all these highways go, now that we are free?"
From: Doug <hamilto@cc.umanitoba.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: ROM Password Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:04:52 +0000 Organization: University of Manitoba Message-ID: <346230F1.CFD2CF69@cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <345A4EA5.3FA6BF54@csfb.com> <63kks7$1jh$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to restore some NeXT Cubes to a useful state, and at some point in the past someone has entered a ROM password. Does anyone remember how to remove a ROM password? The NeXT Admin manual only states that it is difficult, and then make no reference to any material to address this particular problem. Any help would be apprechiated. D.H.
From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: ROM Password Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 7 Nov 1997 05:35:39 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <63u9bb$jkk@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <345A4EA5.3FA6BF54@csfb.com> <63kks7$1jh$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <346230F1.CFD2CF69@cc.umanitoba.ca> Doug (hamilto@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote: : I'm trying to restore some NeXT Cubes to a useful state, and at some : point in the past someone has entered a ROM password. Does anyone : remember how to remove a ROM password? The NeXT Admin manual only : states that it is difficult, and then make no reference to any material : to address this particular problem. : try: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/next/apps/misc/HardwarePassword.N.b.tar.gz I had the same problem(well it wasn't really a problem, just annoying) when I got my turbo from Deep Space Tech.(Don't know why they didn't fix it) Fortunatly I stumbled into this thing early on. Oh, could somebody clue me in to why it requires being run from "root" exactly? -Josh -- Do not send mail to this account. Really. "Talk about silly conspiracy theories..." -Wayne Schlitt in unl.general This post (C)1997, Josh Hesse. Quoted material is (C) of the person quoted. |ess|erb|unl|u| email: jh|e@h|ie.|.ed| Vote for "citizan" Bob! <http://www.wtv.net/trustee/>
From: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca (Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: ROM Password Date: 7 Nov 1997 07:37:07 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <63ugf3$cnv$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <345A4EA5.3FA6BF54@csfb.com> <63kks7$1jh$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <346230F1.CFD2CF69@cc.umanitoba.ca> <63u9bb$jkk@crcnis3.unl.edu> remove battery go for coffee.. go for a movie... get a life.. then come back.. put battery back.. voila. I guess having a life part is difficult;-) Godwin Josh Hesse (00093182@bigred.unl.edu) wrote: : Doug (hamilto@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote: : : I'm trying to restore some NeXT Cubes to a useful state, and at some : : point in the past someone has entered a ROM password. Does anyone : : remember how to remove a ROM password? The NeXT Admin manual only : : states that it is difficult, and then make no reference to any material : : to address this particular problem. : : : try: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/next/apps/misc/HardwarePassword.N.b.tar.gz : I had the same problem(well it wasn't really a problem, just annoying) : when I got my turbo from Deep Space Tech.(Don't know why they didn't fix it) : Fortunatly I stumbled into this thing early on. : Oh, could somebody clue me in to why it requires being run from "root" exactly? : -Josh : -- : Do not send mail to this account. Really. : "Talk about silly conspiracy theories..." -Wayne Schlitt in unl.general : This post (C)1997, Josh Hesse. Quoted material is (C) of the person quoted. : |ess|erb|unl|u| : email: jh|e@h|ie.|.ed| : Vote for "citizan" Bob! <http://www.wtv.net/trustee/>
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next to Mac Transfers Date: 7 Nov 1997 16:21:34 GMT Message-ID: <19971107162100.LAA19791@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3461E44F.1D29@silpics.demon.co.uk> Well, inside the WriteNow.app file directory, there's a wnrtf* command line converter. I used it to convert the Bible.KJV files (after writing a shell script for it). WriteUp, from Anderson Financial Services is supposed to have a very good WriteNow converter included as well. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A & Info Board Date: 8 Nov 1997 01:05:47 GMT Organization: ppai News Message-ID: <640dtb$qkf$1@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai http://bbs.para.co.kr/~ppai/qa2 Newton, NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A & Info Board written in Korean. The Web site contains 5,000 articles about Newton, NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody. younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) ppai@bbs.para.co.kr (NeXTMail OK) http://bbs.para.co.kr/~ppai/photo/ (ppai's 'Nikon F5 camera Home-page')
From: "Iordanis E. Evangelou" <jordan@polaris.clarkson.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SCSI Setiings on Slab Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:19:46 -0500 Organization: Clarkson University Message-ID: <3463BE32.11342EA4@polaris.clarkson.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Does anybody knows what the SCSI settings have to be for a NeXTstation Color Tutbo. SCSI ID's and Termination. Any help would be appreciated. Jordan -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iordanis Evangelou Clarkson University Potsdam, NY 13699-7788 http://www.clarkson.edu/~evangeie jordan@polaris.clarkson.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There are two types of computer users in the world... those that have lost data, and those that are going to." (blh, circa 1972) --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Installing NS3.3 Date: 31 Oct 1997 17:47:22 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <63d5ja$t32$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <63a6c5$hrj$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: me@seifert.educ.mun.ca In <63a6c5$hrj$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Tim Seifert wrote: > Can I install NS 3.3 using IDE CD-ROM? The instructions manual specifies > SCSI. Can IDE be used? Yes, you can use IDE/ATAPI CD Roms, or hard drives for that matter, with NS 3.3. However, you will need to download the the latest drivers from NeXTanswers: http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/1921.htmld/1921.html http://ent.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2078.htmld/2078.html Matthew [Posted and mailed] -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
From: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXHost with OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT Date: 5 Nov 1997 08:34:26 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <63pb2i$1gu$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <OIjj8N758GA.260@upnetnews03> <63mldu$3cp$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> <345F51D9.EC47A841@inln.cnrs.fr> Marc Monticelli <monticel@inln.cnrs.fr> wrote: > Are you sure ? Have you try it. It doesn't work at our lab. NeXT also > had say it doesn't work. But if you can, explain me how. NeXT should know better. Whom did you ask? Of course it works, and one poster even confirmed it works between Rhapsody and NT, too. Try the following: 1) Set up an .rhosts file on the NeXT machine that includes the NT station (see "man rcmd" for more information). 2) open a command line window on the NT machine (OpenStep Enterprise 4.2 must be installed) and enter, for example rsh nexthost /NextApps/Terminal.app/Terminal -NXHost nthost where "nexthost" is the name of the NeXT machine, and "nthost" is the name of the NT machine. You might have to specify the "-l username" option additionally, if you use different user names on NT and on OpenStep. After some seconds, the NeXT Terminal application should appear on screen, including NeXT menu and workspace icon. This should work with any NXHost-aware application on any NEXTSTEP or OpenStep platform. Marcel --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 09 Nov 1997 12:52:57 -0700 Organization: ARDI Sender: ctm@ftp.ardi.com Message-ID: <uf90uxsv3a.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <644v7i$ebd$1@halcyon.com> >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Smith <tzs@halcyon.com> writes: Tim> Clifford T. Matthews <ctm@ardi.com> wrote: >> I don't follow Prime, so I don't know what CPU was in a Prime-300 >> or when it came out, but Motorola 68040 based machines can be hung >> from user space with a 2-byte opcode "unlk a7". NeXT's computers >> had Tim> Many early 68K boards could be hung by a *legal* instruction: Tim> TAS (Test and Set). This wasn't a CPU bug, though. It was a Tim> bug in the external logic. The 68k bus cycle worked like this: [snip] Tim> The problem with TAS is that it does both a read and a write as Tim> part of one bus cycle. The above protocol is slightly different Tim> in that case. If whomever designed the external logic Tim> overlooked this, it was easy for them to design logic that would Tim> never unassert DTACK after the read part of the TAS. I hadn't heard of the above, but I can easily see it happening. We didn't have any hardware analyzers to use when we found "unlk a7". Perhaps someone with some nice test equipment can confirm that what we found really is the CPUs fault and isn't due to a flaw in external logic or the OS. I'm not too familiar with the instruction execution logic within the 68040, but my guess is it's just a simple deadly embace, where A7 gets caught in the middle. By the way, we had to make a decision as to what our emulator should do if it ever encountered that byte sequence. Now we know -- on a Pentium, we should just execute "F0 0F C7 C8". Just kidding. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
From: cobrien@access1.digex.net (Cary B. O'Brien) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 9 Nov 1997 23:43:09 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA: 800-969-9090 Message-ID: <6463ct$iqk@access1.digex.net> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <644v7i$ebd$1@halcyon.com> In article <644v7i$ebd$1@halcyon.com>, Tim Smith <tzs@halcyon.com> wrote: >Clifford T. Matthews <ctm@ardi.com> wrote: >>I don't follow Prime, so I don't know what CPU was in a Prime-300 or >>when it came out, but Motorola 68040 based machines can be hung from >>user space with a 2-byte opcode "unlk a7". NeXT's computers had > >Many early 68K boards could be hung by a *legal* instruction: TAS (Test >and Set). This wasn't a CPU bug, though. It was a bug in the external DTACK sert >logic. The 68k bus cycle worked like this: > > 1. CPU puts the address (and data if this is a write) on the bus > and asserts some signal to tell the external logic that a bus > cycle is starting. > > 2. External logic decodes the address and deals with the data > (on a write) or supplies data (on a read). > > 3. External logic asserts the DTACK signal to indicate it has > finished doing whatever it needs to do. > > 4. CPU unasserts whatever signal it was in step #1. > > 5. External logic unasserts DTACK. > >Peripheral chips that were designed to specifically interface to a 68K >would implement the above protocol. For generic things, like RAM and ROM, >the above protocol was implemented by logic on the motherboard. > >The problem with TAS is that it does both a read and a write as part of >one bus cycle. The above protocol is slightly different in that case. >If whomever designed the external logic overlooked this, it was easy for >them to design logic that would never after the read part >of the TAS. > >--Tim Smith Arrgg. You just brought up a particularly unpleasant work experience I had completely forgotten about. The 68020 processors had something even cooler than TAS (Test and Set), they called it CAS (compare and swap?). Basicly it allowed multiprocessor machines to share linked lists in memory. But only (as mr smith points out) if the hardware supports. Well, at this place, the head hardware guy and the head software guy _hated_ each other and they never spoke to each other. And all the software used CAS everywhere, which the hardware, of course, never reliably implemented. This was on a _big_ vme system for a DOD customer. I had to go out to the customer site and 1) figure out what was wrong, and 2) convince the HW and SW guys to duke it out. Yuck. Sorry for the ramble. I miss VME/68K development(*). I feel bad that I have no clue what assembly looks like on the machines I use now-a-days (ix86/HP-PA). Signs of the times. OB pentum bug comment -- all our 486's are fine (get illegal instruction exception). I am bummed. Watch intel stock monday. Is it on www.cnn.com yet? -- cary (*) Except for the stinking jumpers on the backplane.
From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: ROM Password Date: 10 Nov 1997 04:53:22 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <646402$oqp@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <345A4EA5.3FA6BF54@csfb.com> <63kks7$1jh$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <346230F1.CFD2CF69@cc.umanitoba.ca> <63u9bb$jkk@crcnis3.unl.edu> <Pine.GSO.3.95.971107082709.15288B-100000@goodguy> Jay (nin@goodnet.com) wrote: : : Probably to make serious system changes like that it requires super-user : access (eg. root). Forgive me if this sounds demeaning, but are you : asking why it needs root privlidges; or are you asking what 'root' is? I probably could have phrased that better. "why and what mechanisms" possibly. At any rate, I suspect that it would be better to find a decent reference book. -Josh -- Do not send mail to this account. Really. "Talk about silly conspiracy theories..." -Wayne Schlitt in unl.general This post (C)1997, Josh Hesse. Quoted material is (C) of the person quoted. |ess|erb|unl|u| email: jh|e@h|ie.|.ed| Vote for "citizan" Bob! <http://www.wtv.net/trustee/>
From: dfriesen@islandnet.com (Dale Friesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: POSIX? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:11:28 -0800 Organization: Bolen Books, Inc Message-ID: <19971108131128309115@i3-31.islandnet.com> Is OpenStep POSIX-compliant? If not, is there word on whether or not Rhapsody will be? -- Any opinions expressed are mine and not the book store's. Dale Friesen Sysadmin Bolen Books, Inc Victoria, BC Canada dfriesen@amtsgi.bc.ca http://www.bolen.bc.ca/
From: jason@conceptx.com Subject: Problems installing OpenStep 4.2 on Intel... Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 16:32:17 -0600 Message-ID: <879025050.13567@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Deja News Posting Service I've done a lot of reading on the subject, and we've been trying to install OpenStep on a number of different PCs here at my office and are getting nowhere. We always get this obscure error message during the install... Something about not having a disk to install on that is a 512 byte/sector disk with 120 megs available. The hard disk _is_ being recognized during the install process, as is the CD-ROM. CD mounts fine as root during the install as well. My system: Pentium 166, dual EIDE controllers on-board, 8x Mitsumi CD-ROM, 1083 meg Western Digital hard drive. HD is set up as Master on the primary EIDE bus, CD-ROM as Slave on primary. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! jason gerry ----------- jason@conceptx.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: Heinrich.Kehlbeck@t-online.de (Heinrich Kehlbeck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: notebook for NS3.3 / OS Date: 8 Nov 1997 07:10:20 GMT Organization: T-Online Message-ID: <64138s$uhb$1@news00.btx.dtag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking for a good notebook for NS3.3 / OS and NT4.0. Approximate hardware requirements are: - TFT display - at least 48MB memory, better 64MB expandable to about 128MB - at least 2 GB hard disk - Pentium CPU (better P133) - external mouse, monitor and keyboard support Thanks Heinrich _____________________________ Heinrich.Kehlbeck@t-online.de
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POSIX? Date: 9 Nov 1997 02:48:42 GMT Message-ID: <19971109024801.VAA29900@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19971108131128309115@i3-31.islandnet.com> Openstep is, sort of kind of. Moreso than NT, anyway, but NeXT didn't trouble themselves to win a big legal battle so as to be able to claim that. Rhapsody, being based on BSD 4.4 will be fully Posix compliant. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <398878446823@digifix.com> Date: 9 Nov 1997 04:46:07 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <11552879051630@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. 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From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <#Vw$aKb78GA.300@ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com> Control: cancel <#Vw$aKb78GA.300@ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com> Date: 10 Nov 1997 13:06:25 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.#Vw$aKb78GA.300@ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com> Sender: spamfree.usa1@gov.abuse.net Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 09 Nov 1997 00:49:11 -0700 Organization: ARDI Sender: ctm@ftp.ardi.com Message-ID: <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> >>>>> "Eric" == Eric Cordian <emc@wire.insync.net> writes: [snip] Eric> It will be interesting to see how Intel tries to minimize this Eric> serious problem. I am amazed they haven't checked through all Eric> the opcodes before releasing the processor. The last Eric> multi-user timesharing system I remember having an undefined Eric> opcode that would halt the processor in user mode was the Eric> Prime-300. [For people who haven't read the posts that precede this one, there is a four byte sequence (F0 0F C7 C8) which hangs Pentium machines when it's executed.] I don't follow Prime, so I don't know what CPU was in a Prime-300 or when it came out, but Motorola 68040 based machines can be hung from user space with a 2-byte opcode "unlk a7". NeXT's computers had 68040s in them as recently as four or five years ago. We actually found this bug when we were in the process of writing a 68040 emulator and as part of our compatibility testing we wrote a program that essentially executed random bit patterns, periodically outputing a checksum of the various machine state (memory contents, register contents). We then ran that program on both one of our 68040 based NeXTs and on our emulator. If the checksums didn't match we had a bug somewhere (perhaps in our test code -- it was a little more tricky than my explanation above makes it sound). However, after we worked a few kinks out of the emulator and the test program, we increased the number of instructions to test and once we started running long tests we found that the system was locking up solid. We had to add code to flush the disk cache to figure out exactly what was causing it. When we found the opcode, we had to make sure it wasn't a weird OS interaction (it's not clear what "unlk a7" should do). Sure enough, we could wedge our 68040 based Macs with the same opcode. We were pretty amused that our synthetic CPU test suite appeared to be more complete than whatever Motorola used to Q/A their silicon. [I've added a couple of usenet groups whose readership might be amused by this little story. Please strip them if followups don't have anything to do with Executor or NeXTs.] --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
From: "Vladimir Sinitsyn" <irin@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:06:57 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <647bbj$g3a@bolivia.earthlink.net> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu><63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se><640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> Does this bug (F0 0F C7 C8) affect Pentium CLONES (AMD, Cyrix)? Vladimir Sinitsyn Clifford T. Matthews wrote in message ... >>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Cordian <emc@wire.insync.net> writes: > > [snip] > > Eric> It will be interesting to see how Intel tries to minimize this > Eric> serious problem. I am amazed they haven't checked through all > Eric> the opcodes before releasing the processor. The last > Eric> multi-user timesharing system I remember having an undefined > Eric> opcode that would halt the processor in user mode was the > Eric> Prime-300. > >[For people who haven't read the posts that precede this one, there is > a four byte sequence (F0 0F C7 C8) which hangs Pentium machines when > it's executed.]
From: K Dunne <edunne@cc.curtin.edu.au> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:16:12 -0800 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Message-ID: <3466B4BC.1B9A@cc.curtin.edu.au> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > [For people who haven't read the posts that precede this one, there is > a four byte sequence (F0 0F C7 C8) which hangs Pentium machines when > it's executed.] > > I don't follow Prime, so I don't know what CPU was in a Prime-300 or > when it came out, but Motorola 68040 based machines can be hung from > user space with a 2-byte opcode "unlk a7". NeXT's computers had > 68040s in them as recently as four or five years ago. > > We actually found this bug when we were in the process of writing a > 68040 emulator and as part of our compatibility testing we wrote a > program that essentially executed random bit patterns, periodically > outputing a checksum of the various machine state (memory contents, > register contents). We then ran that program on both one of our 68040 > based NeXTs and on our emulator. If the checksums didn't match we had > a bug somewhere (perhaps in our test code -- it was a little more > tricky than my explanation above makes it sound). > > However, after we worked a few kinks out of the emulator and the test > program, we increased the number of instructions to test and once we > started running long tests we found that the system was locking up > solid. We had to add code to flush the disk cache to figure out > exactly what was causing it. When we found the opcode, we had to make > sure it wasn't a weird OS interaction (it's not clear what "unlk a7" > should do). Sure enough, we could wedge our 68040 based Macs with the > same opcode. > > We were pretty amused that our synthetic CPU test suite appeared to be > more complete than whatever Motorola used to Q/A their silicon. > > [I've added a couple of usenet groups whose readership might be amused > by this little story. Please strip them if followups don't have > anything to do with Executor or NeXTs.] > > --Cliff > ctm@ardi.com You should add comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips to that list as there are a great many interested readers that will be affected by this problem in that group!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry the pentbug has struck again!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry the pentbug has struck again!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry the pentbug has struck again!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry the pentbug has struck again!!
From: nospaam@pascal.stu.rpi.edu (Peter F. Curran) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 10 Nov 1997 20:41:18 GMT Organization: Rensselaer (curran@rpi.edu) Message-ID: <647rhe$8b6$1@proxye1.nycap.rr.com> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63ufao$6d8@news9.noc.netcom.net> <63vdh6$r2h@slip.net> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <647bh4$g9h@bolivia.earthlink.net> In article <647bh4$g9h@bolivia.earthlink.net>, "Vladimir Sinitsyn" <irin@earthlink.net> writes: >Does this bug (F0 0F C7 C8) affect Pentium CLONES (AMD, Cyrix)? > >Vladimir Sinitsyn Just read the damn posts, willya? -- Peter F Curran Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute dough knot male: nospaam@pascal.stu.rpi.edu Use address in Organization line, finger for PGP key. Antispaam test in progress.
From: Toon Moene <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 9 Nov 1997 16:31:08 GMT Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Maartensdijk, The Netherlands Message-ID: <644ogc$mda$1@news.utrecht.NL.net> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) wrote: > [For people who haven't read the posts that precede this one, there is > a four byte sequence (F0 0F C7 C8) which hangs Pentium machines when > it's executed.] > I don't follow Prime, so I don't know what CPU was in a Prime-300 or > when it came out, but Motorola 68040 based machines can be hung from > user space with a 2-byte opcode "unlk a7". NeXT's computers had > 68040s in them as recently as four or five years ago. To quote Steve Jobs on this: "It Just Works" Wow, great example of how damaging this sort of `errors' is: It took me a full 15 minutes to get into news again (fsck'ing 2 Gb of disk, reinitialising the network stuff, getting into news ...) BTW: `unlk a6' is meant to be used by compilers to "unlink" a stack frame; because a7 is the stack pointer, `unlk a7' is a bit weird, but that's different from just giving up altogether (I really had to pull the plug - the power switch on the keyboard was inoperative as well). Ugh ! -- Toon Moene (mailto:toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl) Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands Phone: +31 346 214290; Fax: +31 346 214286 g77 Support: mailto:fortran@gnu.org; NWP: http://www.knmi.nl/hirlam
From: tzs@halcyon.com (Tim Smith) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 9 Nov 1997 10:25:54 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Message-ID: <644v7i$ebd$1@halcyon.com> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> Clifford T. Matthews <ctm@ardi.com> wrote: >I don't follow Prime, so I don't know what CPU was in a Prime-300 or >when it came out, but Motorola 68040 based machines can be hung from >user space with a 2-byte opcode "unlk a7". NeXT's computers had Many early 68K boards could be hung by a *legal* instruction: TAS (Test and Set). This wasn't a CPU bug, though. It was a bug in the external logic. The 68k bus cycle worked like this: 1. CPU puts the address (and data if this is a write) on the bus and asserts some signal to tell the external logic that a bus cycle is starting. 2. External logic decodes the address and deals with the data (on a write) or supplies data (on a read). 3. External logic asserts the DTACK signal to indicate it has finished doing whatever it needs to do. 4. CPU unasserts whatever signal it was in step #1. 5. External logic unasserts DTACK. Peripheral chips that were designed to specifically interface to a 68K would implement the above protocol. For generic things, like RAM and ROM, the above protocol was implemented by logic on the motherboard. The problem with TAS is that it does both a read and a write as part of one bus cycle. The above protocol is slightly different in that case. If whomever designed the external logic overlooked this, it was easy for them to design logic that would never unassert DTACK after the read part of the TAS. --Tim Smith
From: jan@dontspamme.cs.ualberta.ca (Jan Sacharuk) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: How to set kbd dvorak? Date: 11 Nov 1997 02:47:09 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Message-ID: <slrn66fhpd.ee2.jan@obed-le0.cs.ualberta.ca> I've recently made the switch to dvorak (ie. 3 days ago....I'm typing this quite slowly...) I wish to make the change complete, and switch the next over as well. How would I go about doing this? I have seen no such documentation as yet. Thanks. Jan Sacharuk --== Remove dontspamme from my address to mail me ==--
From: brockway+@cs.cmu.ee-dee-you (Jared Brockway) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: How to set kbd dvorak? Date: 11 Nov 1997 04:15:12 GMT Organization: Carnegie Mellon Univ. -- Computer Science Dept. Message-ID: <648m4g$2mv$1@goldenapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu> References: <slrn66fhpd.ee2.jan@obed-le0.cs.ualberta.ca> In-Reply-To: <slrn66fhpd.ee2.jan@obed-le0.cs.ualberta.ca> I have a Dvorak keymapping file that I made for NeXT (ADB an non-ADB) and standard 101 key PC keyboards. I probably ought to submit it to the ftp archive, but for now you can get it at: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~brockway/Library/ The file is called Dvorak.keymapping. To use the it, drop the file into /LocalLibrary/Keyboards or ~/Library/Keyboards. You should then be able to see a Dvorak option in the localization panel of Preferences.app. (If it doesn't show up, quit and relaunch Preferences.) Select Dvorak, and you're keyboard should go all wacky ;) -Jared brockway+ @cs.cmu.edu
From: "Vladimir Sinitsyn" <irin@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:06:57 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <647bh4$g9h@bolivia.earthlink.net> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu><63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se><640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> Does this bug (F0 0F C7 C8) affect Pentium CLONES (AMD, Cyrix)? Vladimir Sinitsyn Clifford T. Matthews wrote in message ... >>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Cordian <emc@wire.insync.net> writes: > > [snip] > > Eric> It will be interesting to see how Intel tries to minimize this > Eric> serious problem. I am amazed they haven't checked through all > Eric> the opcodes before releasing the processor. The last > Eric> multi-user timesharing system I remember having an undefined > Eric> opcode that would halt the processor in user mode was the > Eric> Prime-300. > >[For people who haven't read the posts that precede this one, there is > a four byte sequence (F0 0F C7 C8) which hangs Pentium machines when > it's executed.]
From: James MacDonald <trill@netbook.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:04:22 +0000 Organization: Trills and Technologies Distribution: world Message-ID: <prtZzBAWb3Z0Ew26@netbook.demon.co.uk> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <647bbj$g3a@bolivia.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In article <647bbj$g3a@bolivia.earthlink.net>, Vladimir Sinitsyn <irin@earthlink.net> scribbled : >Does this bug (F0 0F C7 C8) affect Pentium CLONES (AMD, Cyrix)? > >Vladimir Sinitsyn Hopefully yes, otherwise it's not a clone, and it's not 100% Intel compatible. AMD and Cyrix have to BUILD IN the bugs in Intel's chips, simply to be '100% Intel Compatible' - i.e. there will be something to work around that bug, and it might crash if the bug isn't there. -- James MacDonald
From: kender@www.hollyfeld.org (Daniel Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 11 Nov 1997 10:40:39 -0500 Organization: Hollyfeld Information Systems Message-ID: <649u9n$o6u@www.hollyfeld.org> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <647bbj$g3a@bolivia.earthlink.net> <prtZzBAWb3Z0Ew26@netbook.demon.co.uk> Slaving away in a dark room, James MacDonald <Trill@netbook.demon.co.uk> produced: >In article <647bbj$g3a@bolivia.earthlink.net>, Vladimir Sinitsyn ><irin@earthlink.net> scribbled : >>Does this bug (F0 0F C7 C8) affect Pentium CLONES (AMD, Cyrix)? >Hopefully yes, otherwise it's not a clone, and it's not 100% Intel >compatible. AMD and Cyrix have to BUILD IN the bugs in Intel's chips, >simply to be '100% Intel Compatible' - i.e. there will be something to >work around that bug, and it might crash if the bug isn't there. You forgot to add your smiley. I find it hard to believe that a being capable of typing and forming words would be capable of seriously believing this. Cheers, --Dg
From: giammarc@provincia.ravenna.it (Mario Giammarco) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Free lighthouse software: I have missed it! Date: 6 Nov 1997 23:08:00 GMT Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Message-ID: <63tikg$fqb@server-b.cs.interbusiness.it> I have discovered that lighthouse gived away some free user licenses of its nextstep software. I think I have missed it. Someone can help me? Please mail me to giammarc@cs.unibo.it Thank You in advance for Your reply. -- Mario Giammarco | Tel/FAX +39-545-22965 Via Calamandrei,5 | giammarc@cs.unibo.it 48022 Lugo (RA) -- ITALY | rac0043@racine.ravenna.it
From: nlhauke@XXXXisomedia.com (Nelson Hauke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next to Mac Transfers Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:22:03 -0800 Organization: remove XXXX for email Message-ID: <nlhauke-1211970122040001@pm308.isomedia.com> References: <3461E44F.1D29@silpics.demon.co.uk> Claris Works 4.0 (Mac) lists WriteNow NeXT as a format it can open. I haven't tried it tho'. Nelson (remove XXXX for email) ======== Charles Sturridge <Charles@silpics.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Having worked on a Nextstation Colour for many years now, it is > beginning to show it's age, although without losing it's beauty. I am > however transferring most of my files to my Mac in anticipation of the > arrval of Rhapsody. Most of the documents are in WriteNow(Next), which > does not appear to be read by WriteNow(Mac). Is there any way that > these files can be converted (to RTF for example) other than by opening > and re-saving each one individually (there are several hundred). Any > advice appreciated.
From: <user@msn.com> Subject: NXHost with OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:19:07 -0500 Message-ID: <OIjj8N758GA.260@upnetnews03> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Can you NXHost to an NT box running OpenStep Enterprise on Windows NT from a NeXT running OpenStep, thereby running NeXTSTEP apps on NT?
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Free lighthouse software: I have missed it! Date: 12 Nov 1997 19:15:15 GMT Message-ID: <19971112191500.OAA04032@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <63tikg$fqb@server-b.cs.interbusiness.it> Lighthouse rescinded their offer (due to a complaint by a distributor of theirs) but the page was copied to Peak. You can get there from www.stepwise.com, or a link from my web page. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
Sender: etienne1 <etienne1@axel.home> From: etienne1 <etienne1@ibm.net> Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> Message-ID: <346a9ab2.0@news3.ibm.net> Date: 13 Nov 97 06:14:10 GMT In comp.sys.intel Clifford T. Matthews <ctm@ardi.com> wrote: > [For people who haven't read the posts that precede this one, there is > a four byte sequence (F0 0F C7 C8) which hangs Pentium machines when > it's executed.] > I don't follow Prime, so I don't know what CPU was in a Prime-300 or > when it came out, but Motorola 68040 based machines can be hung from > user space with a 2-byte opcode "unlk a7". NeXT's computers had > 68040s in them as recently as four or five years ago. I've no doubt that this was once true - I've heard corroborating reports and the errata sheet for the 040 was pretty long for quite awhile. However, I just executed the following code on my system which contains a fairly recent vintage 040. The processor appears to more or less execute the requested bit of nonsense and continue on its merry way (I say more or less because the last step of the documented behavior of unlk doesn't seem to occur). So it appears that you can at least obtain a fixed 040 if you're affected. Test Program ------------ /* unlk a7, nop, bra $ */ unsigned char instr[] = {0x4e, 0x5f, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x60, 0xfe}; int main(int argc, char** argv) { void (*f)(); f = (void (*)())instr; f(); } -Steve, who was quite happy with the results of this experiment.
From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 13 Nov 1997 00:05:07 -0700 Organization: ARDI Sender: ctm@ftp.ardi.com Message-ID: <ufn2j98eak.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <346a9ab2.0@news3.ibm.net> >>>>> "Steve" == etienne1 <etienne1@ibm.net> writes: me> I don't follow Prime, so I don't know what CPU was in a Prime-300 me> or when it came out, but Motorola 68040 based machines can be hung me> from user space with a 2-byte opcode "unlk a7". NeXT's computers me> had 68040s in them as recently as four or five years ago. Steve> I've no doubt that this was once true - I've heard Steve> corroborating reports and the errata sheet for the 040 was Steve> pretty long for quite awhile. However, I just executed the Steve> following code on my system which contains a fairly recent Steve> vintage 040. The processor appears to more or less execute Steve> the requested bit of nonsense and continue on its merry way (I Steve> say more or less because the last step of the documented Steve> behavior of unlk doesn't seem to occur). So it appears that Steve> you can at least obtain a fixed 040 if you're affected. Steve> Test Program ------------ Steve> /* unlk a7, nop, bra $ */ Steve> unsigned char instr[] = {0x4e, 0x5f, 0x4e, 0x71, 0x60, 0xfe}; Steve> int Steve> main(int argc, char** argv) Steve> { Steve> void (*f)(); Steve> f = (void (*)())instr; Steve> f(); Steve> } Steve> -Steve, who was quite happy with the results of this Steve> experiment. I don't have a recent 68040 to test it on, but I'll take your word for it. In the future I'll say "some Motorola 68040 based machines". ---- BTW, just to make sure that I was remembering correctly, I compiled your code, disassembled it to be sure that it did indeed compile into an "unlk a7" and then ran it on our 25 MHz 68040 based NeXTstation. Sure enough, that machine is dead. Now it's time to leave voice mail rebooting instructions for our receptionist whose home directory is kept on that machine*. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com __________________ *I remembered this after I crashed the machine, as I was writing this post. In fact, I was writing a sentence about how the machine is no longer used except to send faxes and to store some relatively infrequently accessed data when I realized my mistake.
From: kyle@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kyle Hearfield) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with NXhosting and ppp Date: 13 Nov 1997 04:38:29 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <64e085$m3r$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> I am trying to nxhost an application from the lan I ppp into. I have everything set as far as I know but I cant seem to get it to work. I connect through ppp, and i run the following script: #!/bin/sh # Let the nmserver know the fruits of our network configuration endeavor. pid=`ps cax | egrep nmserver | awk '{print $1;}'` if [ -n "$pid" ]; then echo "Reinitializing nmserver's network portion" /bin/kill -USR2 $pid fi when I run the script I get the following message: Nov 12 18:39:55 etnies netmsgserver[22]: network_init Nov 12 18:39:55 etnies netmsgserver[22]: Cannot get the socket broadcast address for interface ppp0: m Nov 12 18:39:55 etnies netmsgserver[22]: Warning: could not find a useful broadcast address, using 255.255.255.255 I have tried putting a proper broadcast address in /etc/hostconfig but this still does not work. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance kyle. -- You're actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying. -Bad Religion ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kyle D. Hearfield kyle@morgan.ucs.mun.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: amlaukka@cc.helsinki.fi (Aki M Laukkanen) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 13 Nov 1997 12:12:47 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Message-ID: <slrn466lrlv.3k0.amlaukka@vesuri.Helsinki.FI> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <346a9ab2.0@news3.ibm.net> <ufn2j98eak.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> In article <ufn2j98eak.fsf@ftp.ardi.com>, Clifford T. Matthews wrote: >BTW, just to make sure that I was remembering correctly, I compiled >your code, disassembled it to be sure that it did indeed compile into >an "unlk a7" and then ran it on our 25 MHz 68040 based NeXTstation. Yep, some 68040s are affected because with my XC68040/40 part it crashed Linux/68k like nothing else. Maybe the MC parts have this bug fixed. How about the other m68k family members 000/010/020/030/060 and various EC/LC versions of them? -- D.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer From: glenn.larson@imagauto.SPAM.BLECH.com (Glenn A. Larson, Jr.) Subject: Looking for a TIFF 6.0 JPEG image file Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Imaging Automation, Inc. Message-ID: <EJL43B.3w8@mv.mv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:30:46 GMT Hi all, I am in need of a TIFF 6.0 JPEG image file to do some internal testing at our company. However, since most TIFF reader/writers now implement TIFF technical note 2 JPEG, I have had little luck finding or generating my own file. I understand that NeXT supports/supported the old-style TIFF 6.0 JPEG and thought that this might be a good place to ask. So, if anyone has a TIFF JPEG file in this format, and you don't mind sharing it, could you please send it to glenn.larson@imagauto.com (don't reply to my spam blocking address). Or, if anyone knows where I could find TIFF files in this format (FTP, WWW, etc.), that would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks for any assistance, -glenn -- Glenn A. Larson, Jr. Imaging Automation, Inc. To reply via e-mail, remove the SPAM.BLECH from my return address.
From: lal9@po.CWRU.Edu (Larry A. Latson, Jr.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep: Missing a few things Date: 14 Nov 1997 00:17:10 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Message-ID: <64g5a6$53g@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> hi all, i'm a new user of OpenStep4.2, and i love it. i'm originally a unix/X user, and it seems to me that what made those OS's so productive were the tab completion and the automatic cut-and-paste with the mouse. do these features exist in NeXT? if not... maybe it's something to consider in future releases (but it sounds like Rhapsody is headed for an audience who doesn't fully appreciate, or care, about terminal.app. any thoughts? LL -- "The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye. The story of love is hello and goodbye. Until we meet again." -JimiH
From: phractal@aol.com (Phractal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need help: unable to get address of hostname Date: 13 Nov 1997 19:37:24 GMT Message-ID: <19971113193701.OAA25689@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com hello. im having a hostname lookup problem: * my next's name is "daemon". * 'ping daemon' returns "unknown host" while 'ping localhost' works. * my /etc/hosts file consists of: 127.0.0.1 localhost * im not using NetInfo for nslookups. btw, 'hostname' returns 'daemon' i need the assistance of a NeXT guru. Any help is greatly appreciated. eric s phractal@aol.com
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From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep: Missing a few things Date: 14 Nov 1997 00:31:41 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <64g65d$n29@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <64g5a6$53g@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> lal9@po.CWRU.Edu (Larry A. Latson, Jr.) wrote: > > ... it seems to me that what made those OS's so productive were > the tab completion and the automatic cut-and-paste with the mouse. > do these features exist in NeXT? tab-completion is a matter of the shell you use. I think that NeXT's csh uses the escape character for completion (perhaps there is a way to change that). On my NeXT's I use bash, and that does do tab-completion (based on some option setting). I use it all the time. As for X's cut-and-paste, I am not a fan of it for a variety of reasons. Command-c, command-x, and command-v work fine for me. If you live in the unix command-line world, you might want to get Stuart (an alternative to NeXT's Terminal.app). That also has a command-shift-V which is useful. It takes the current selection in the window and pastes it into the window. Thus it combines command-c and command-v, without changing the current contents of that (the command-c) buffer. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
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From: shapiro@"no-spam"bova.goodnet.com (James T. Shapiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Comdex Vegas Passes? Date: 14 Nov 1997 06:47:03 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <64gs57$gou@suriname.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody have five free exhibit passes which they could provide for next week's event. We received invitations but being in and out -of-town caused us not to be able to respond in time to get them. Most of the people are preparing to head there and it would be extremely helpful to have these passes. Thanks in advance- James Exhibits Guest NOTE: Free admission to the exhibit halls and Keynotes is offered upon presentation of a COMDEX/Fall official Exhibitor Guest Ticket at the Guest Ticket Registration Desk. Exhibits Guest - FREE Includes exhibits all days and Keynotes. etc. any of these or other types of passes would do nicely.
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From: pekeler@luck.shnet.org (Christian Pekeler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need help: unable to get address of hostname Date: 14 Nov 1997 11:58:09 GMT Organization: private Message-ID: <64hech$1ni@luck.shnet.org> References: <19971113193701.OAA25689@ladder01.news.aol.com> phractal@aol.com (Phractal) wrote: >* 'ping daemon' returns "unknown host" while 'ping localhost' works. Open localhost with the HostManager.app and check if daemon is an alias for localhost. You might set the name with HostManager.app in the 'Local Configuration' window under 'Hostname'. (/NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/ReleaseNotes/PPP.rtf can be helpfull.) Christian
From: Tor-Einar Jarnbjo <bjote@cs.tu-berlin.de> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 14 Nov 1997 13:16:27 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <64hivb$5j3$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <346a9ab2.0@news3.ibm.net> <ufn2j98eak.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <slrn466lrlv.3k0.amlaukka@vesuri.Helsinki.FI> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In comp.sys.intel Aki M Laukkanen <amlaukka@cc.helsinki.fi> wrote: : In article <ufn2j98eak.fsf@ftp.ardi.com>, Clifford T. Matthews wrote: :>BTW, just to make sure that I was remembering correctly, I compiled :>your code, disassembled it to be sure that it did indeed compile into :>an "unlk a7" and then ran it on our 25 MHz 68040 based NeXTstation. : Yep, some 68040s are affected because with my XC68040/40 part it crashed : Linux/68k like nothing else. Maybe the MC parts have this bug fixed. : How about the other m68k family members 000/010/020/030/060 and various : EC/LC versions of them? But isn't XC-marked processors from Motorola "pre-release" versions, which still might have Bugs? Tor-Einar -- Tor-Einar Jarnbjo, bjote@cs.tu-berlin.de Fetschowzeile 11 13437 Berlin, Germany
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From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep: Missing a few things Date: 15 Nov 1997 17:13:20 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <64kl7g$l01$1@news.seicom.net> References: <64g5a6$53g@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: lal9@po.CWRU.Edu In <64g5a6$53g@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> Larry A. Latson, Jr. wrote: > > hi all, > > i'm a new user of OpenStep4.2, and i love it. i'm originally > a unix/X user, and it seems to me that what made those > OS's so productive were the tab completion and the > automatic cut-and-paste with the mouse. do these features > exist in NeXT? if not... maybe it's something to consider > in future releases (but it sounds like Rhapsody is headed > for an audience who doesn't fully appreciate, or care, > about terminal.app. any thoughts? Try using the 'zsh' as your default shell. It does tab completion beside other nice stuff... True enough most Macintosh users won't touch a shell but as far as I am informed Terminal.app is here to stay in Rhapsody. The only thing I am concerned is the MacOS/YellowBox vs. Rhapsody approach, you can be quite sure that MacOS won't have Terminal.app. Should Apple consider to follow a 'MacOS/YB for the masses, Rhapsody for the HighEnd/Server' approach - and price Rhapsody according to this idea... not much people will use it. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net/~frank * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: barry@gslink.com (Barry Bocaner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep: Missing a few things Date: 15 Nov 1997 16:32:57 GMT Organization: Cows Unlimited! Message-ID: <64kirp$kk3$1@news1.mnsinc.com> References: <64g5a6$53g@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> that Larry A. Latson, Jr. (lal9@po.CWRU.Edu) scribbled: > hi all, > i'm a new user of OpenStep4.2, and i love it. i'm originally > a unix/X user, and it seems to me that what made those > OS's so productive were the tab completion and the > automatic cut-and-paste with the mouse. do these features > exist in NeXT? if not... maybe it's something to consider > in future releases (but it sounds like Rhapsody is headed > for an audience who doesn't fully appreciate, or care, > about terminal.app. any thoughts? for tab completion, get a copy of tcsh and change that to your default shell. That's not a unix or x feature, its a shell feature. -- --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Barry J. Bocaner <barry@gslink.com> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <161197101559@webpage.com> Control: cancel <161197101559@webpage.com> Date: 16 Nov 1997 07:20:55 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.161197101559@webpage.com> Sender: lifetime@webpage.com Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: marcel@system.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep: Missing a few things Date: 16 Nov 1997 08:38:43 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <64mbej$ph4$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <64kirp$kk3$1@news1.mnsinc.com> In article <64kirp$kk3$1@news1.mnsinc.com> barry@gslink.com (Barry Bocaner) writes: > that Larry A. Latson, Jr. (lal9@po.CWRU.Edu) scribbled: > > > hi all, > > > i'm a new user of OpenStep4.2, and i love it. i'm originally > > a unix/X user, and it seems to me that what made those > > OS's so productive were the tab completion and the > > automatic cut-and-paste with the mouse. do these features > > exist in NeXT? if not... maybe it's something to consider > > in future releases (but it sounds like Rhapsody is headed > > for an audience who doesn't fully appreciate, or care, > > about terminal.app. any thoughts? > > for tab completion, get a copy of tcsh and change that to your default > shell. That's not a unix or x feature, its a shell feature. NeXT's csh can also be made to do tab-completion, though not quite as nice as bash or tcsh. Create a file called '.bindings' in your home directory with the following contents: bind-to-key FilenameExpansion "\^I" (Type the actual characters shown, they are parsed into the proper control sequences by the shell). Marcel
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <11552879051630@digifix.com> Date: 16 Nov 1997 05:00:31 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <19598879656442@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. 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From: Eric Hermanson <eric@alum.mit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Comdex Vegas Passes? Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:44:33 -0700 Organization: Digital Universe Corporation Message-ID: <346F5B31.E2FF413E@alum.mit.edu> References: <64gs57$gou@suriname.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "James T. Shapiro" <shapiro@no-spambova.goodnet.com> I looked at www.comdex.com, and found that neither Apple nor Oracle are on the Comdex "vendor" list! Is this true!? Doesn't Apple push their products at the largest computer conference in the world, or do they still think that MacWorld is the end-all of conferences?? Eric James T. Shapiro wrote: > Anybody have five free exhibit passes which they could provide for next > week's event. We received invitations but being in and out -of-town caused > us not to be able to respond in time to get them. Most of the people are > preparing to head there and it would be extremely helpful to have these > passes. > > Thanks in advance- > James > > Exhibits Guest > > NOTE: Free admission to the exhibit halls and Keynotes is offered upon > presentation of a COMDEX/Fall official Exhibitor Guest Ticket at the Guest > Ticket Registration Desk. > > Exhibits Guest - FREE > > Includes exhibits all days and Keynotes. > > etc. any of these or other types of passes would do nicely.
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <171197152055@5page.web> Control: cancel <171197152055@5page.web> Date: 17 Nov 1997 07:20:23 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.171197152055@5page.web> Sender: freelifetime@5page.web Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: Robert Nicholson <steffi@shell8.ba.best.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Comdex Vegas Passes? Date: 17 Nov 1997 07:14:47 -0800 Message-ID: <yl3n2j3wo0o.fsf@shell8.ba.best.com> References: <64gs57$gou@suriname.earthlink.net> <346F5B31.E2FF413E@alum.mit.edu> Microsoft and Wintel own Comdex. Q. Is Javasoft at Comdex?
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with NXhosting and ppp Date: 13 Nov 1997 14:06:01 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <64f1g9$i71$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <64e085$m3r$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: kyle@morgan.ucs.mun.ca In <64e085$m3r$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Kyle Hearfield wrote: > > I am trying to nxhost an application from the lan I ppp into. I have > everything set as far as I know but I cant seem to get it to work. FYI: General consensus is that NXHosting with PPP works for some folks and not for others. > I have tried putting a proper broadcast address in /etc/hostconfig but > this still does not work. > > Any suggestions? 1) put the broadcast address in NetInfo rather than (or in addition to) /etc/hostconfig. 2) ask on the PPP mailing list for others who have gotten this to work. Send a message to 'majordomo@peak.org' with the body of the message 'subscribe nextppp kyle@morgan.ucs.mun.ca' (without the ' marks) TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POSIX? Date: 18 Nov 1997 02:09:43 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <64qtd7$n33$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <19971108131128309115@i3-31.islandnet.com> <64q38f$iu4$1@news.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mbessey@apple.com In <64q38f$iu4$1@news.apple.com> Mark Bessey wrote: > I don't believe that Apple has made any claims about POSIX compatibility > for Rhapsody. If you think that POSIX compatibility is an important > feature for Rhapsody to have, send mail to > rhapsody_dev_feedback@apple.com Hrm... apparently they don't want to hear from me: The original message was received at Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:39:56 -0800 from scv1.apple.com [17.128.100.139] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <rhapsody_dev_feedback@apple.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to orchard-nfs.apple.com.: >>> RCPT To:<rhapsody_dev_feedback@apple.com> <<< 550 <rhapsody_dev_feedback@apple.com>... User unknown 550 <rhapsody_dev_feedback@apple.com>... User unknown TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: Toon Moene <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.intel,comp.emulators.mac.executor,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: F0 0F C7 C8 looks worse than FPIV Date: 13 Nov 1997 19:49:32 GMT Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Maartensdijk, The Netherlands Message-ID: <64flkc$o9j$1@news.utrecht.NL.net> References: <3462ADCD.135B@noname.com> <63vjt9$gee$1@news.ycc.yale.edu> <63vt0o$g2h@slip.net> <6409u7$1js$1@news.luth.se> <640tku$bed@slip.net> <642l0s$grq$1@synthemesc.insync.net> <uf200qy0aw.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> <346a9ab2.0@news3.ibm.net> <ufn2j98eak.fsf@ftp.ardi.com> ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) wrote: > I don't have a recent 68040 to test it on, but I'll take your word for > it. In the future I'll say "some Motorola 68040 based machines". > ---- > BTW, just to make sure that I was remembering correctly, I compiled > your code, disassembled it to be sure that it did indeed compile into > an "unlk a7" and then ran it on our 25 MHz 68040 based NeXTstation. > Sure enough, that machine is dead. Now it's time to leave voice mail > rebooting instructions for our receptionist whose home directory is > kept on that machine*. I tried it immediately after I saw your post last Sunday. "It Just Works" on my NextStation that I bought in November 1991. You can feed `unlk a7' directly to `as' (really a gas derivative) and it assembles successfully. [ BTW, what gcc normally generates is `unlk a6' to unwind stack frames, for which this instruction was meant ] -- Toon Moene (mailto:toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl) Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands Phone: +31 346 214290; Fax: +31 346 214286 g77 Support: mailto:fortran@gnu.org; NWP: http://www.knmi.nl/hirlam
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POSIX? Date: 18 Nov 1997 04:25:01 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <64r5at$fjd$1@news.digifix.com> References: <19971108131128309115@i3-31.islandnet.com> <64q38f$iu4$1@news.apple.com> <64qtd7$n33$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> In-Reply-To: <64qtd7$n33$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> On 11/17/97, Timothy J. Luoma wrote: >In <64q38f$iu4$1@news.apple.com> Mark Bessey wrote: > >> I don't believe that Apple has made any claims about POSIX compatibility >> for Rhapsody. If you think that POSIX compatibility is an important >> feature for Rhapsody to have, send mail to >> rhapsody_dev_feedback@apple.com > >Hrm... apparently they don't want to hear from me: > No, Mark just got the address slightly messed up.. rhapsody-dev-feedback@apple.com -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POSIX? Date: 18 Nov 1997 22:17:00 GMT Message-ID: <19971118221701.RAA13963@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <64q38f$iu4$1@news.apple.com> As I noted here previously, BSD 4.4 in and of itself is POSIX compliant, hence, Rhapsody is, with no further work or ado. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: "Bruce F. Webster" <bwebster@bfwa.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: OFFER/HELP: free hardware for salvaged files Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:00:47 -0500 Organization: Bruce F. Webster and Associates, Inc. Message-ID: <34722C2F.2978@bfwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am the owner of two comotose NeXT systems: a NeXTcube (upgraded to 25 MHz '040, 600MB internal HD, non-working OD, 64MB RAM, MegaPixel Display, non-ADB keyboard/mouse) and a Color NeXTstation (25 MHz '040, 1 GB HD, 32 MB RAM, 21" color monitor, ADB keyboard/mouse). Neither machine will now successfully boot; the 'cube apparently died in the move here from San Diego, and the 'station died a few weeks ago while being used by my wife. In both cases, it appears to be a problem with the disk; the cube can't recognize the internal HD anymore, while the boot block on the station's drive appears munged. I have files that I'd like to get off of both machines, as well as lots of files on ODs that I'd like to salvage as well. Despite my sentimental attachment to the hardware--the cube is serial #AAK00000200 and was given to me in December of 1988 immediately after Steve Jobs used it for a PBS special--I am willing to give it all away (along with other miscellaneous NeXT soft- and hardware, including two malfunctioning NeXTlaser printers) to anyone who has the time, patience, talent, skill, and hardware to help me salvage as many of the files as I can onto Zip (or Jaz) disks. I'll even throw in an autographed copy of one of my books (and, yes, that can even be _The NeXT Book_; I've got a spare or two sitting around). I have fairly decent backups of both systems; the cube's files I can live without, but my wife has various files on the station that she'd love to recover. And I've got lots and lots of ODs to look through. I live in the Washington DC area and in fact am right in the middle of moving from Oakton VA to Bethesda MD. The best way to contact me for the next few weeks is at work: bruce_webster@fanniemae.com (NeXTmail OK) or 202.752.3979. If there is someone out there who can help, please contact me directly instead of posting to here. Thanks much. ..bruce..
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <64tl9k$mst@chatta.samart.co.th> Control: cancel <64tl9k$mst@chatta.samart.co.th> Date: 19 Nov 1997 03:10:26 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.64tl9k$mst@chatta.samart.co.th> Sender: s.somsak@mailcity.com Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: Seamus Dunne <dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! Slab Will Not Shut Down... Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:25:27 -0800 Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <347134D7.9493D9A3@unixg.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I've just discovered that y 68040 NeXT slab, running NS 3.3, will not power off through the usual & proper means, since I usually leave it running. Rather, on clicking 'shut down' it closes all apps, then remains a black screen---the background colour---but never shuts down. I imagine it's a software glitch deep in its Mach/UNIX heart. Your help would be appreciated, but give me fairly detailed instructions, since I'm only partially UNIX-literate. Thanks very much. Seamus
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <191197163903@lifet.ime> Control: cancel <191197163903@lifet.ime> Date: 19 Nov 1997 08:45:51 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.191197163903@lifet.ime> Sender: freewebsite@lifet.ime Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POSIX? Date: 19 Nov 1997 12:27:52 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <64um08$hsd$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <64rvoe$lae$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <64t695$262$1@news.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In <64t695$262$1@news.apple.com> Mark Bessey wrote: > Matthew Seaman writes > > But BSD 4.4-lite is POSIX compliant, at least for some values of POSIX. > > Rhapsody uses the BSD 4.4-lite distribution as the basis of it's system > > library, which would imply that most, if not all, of the POSIX-y > > features (struct dirent, tcsetattr(), uname() etc.) are present, so from > > a practical point of view, most POSIX compliant stuff should compile > > fairly readily. > > Well, yeah. But there's a difference between "most POSIX stuff should > compile with little or no changes" and "Apple certifies that this system > meets all applicable requirements of POSIX 1003.1 and 1003.2". Indeed. I wouldn't actually expect Apple to bother certifying Rhapsody as POSIX compliant in it's current incarnation as a developer-only release. However, POSIX compliance is one of those checklist items which seems to gladden the hearts of purchasing managers everywhere, and seeing as BSD 4.4 already complies it presumably wouldn't take much extra effort for Rhapsody to do so too. So I guess that maybe Apple will, in the fullness of time, actually certify Rhapsody as compliant. Of course, I could be utterly wrong here --- who knows how Apple thinks? Not me, certainly. But if I am right, then Rhapsody probably would pass the compliance test already. Matthew -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
From: Chong Tim <chongt@bah.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can a NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac? Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:17:17 +0800 Organization: Booz Allen & Hamilton Inc. Message-ID: <3473110C.70A1F819@bah.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know if the NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac, and will I get the 2nd button working via cdev from Kensington? TIA, Tim
From: steve2@jojo.bio.uci.edu (Steven Frank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: compiling C++ source with posix code Date: 19 Nov 1997 16:46:23 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Message-ID: <64v54v$9n4@news.service.uci.edu> I am trying to compile some code that makes calls to termios functions. The code uses C++, so I tried c++ -posix ... which works, except that I get ld: Undefined symbols: .constructors_used .destructors_used I haven't been able to link in a way that pulls in these symbols, without generating other errors. Any ideas? Steve Frank safrank@uci.edu
From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.databases.object Subject: Is this an appropriate group to discuss Apple's (nee NeXT's) WebObjects Software Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:59:26 GMT Organization: Suneidesis Message-ID: <347316f5.7513410@news.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm evaluating WebObjects for some business associates. So far I'm not impressed with either WebObjects builder or EOModeller. (I've managed to create unusable templates using them---not what I'd expect from software that costs the arm, leg, other arm, other leg and whole body that WebObjects is priced at.) I'm using WebObjects on a Win/NT4macine with MS SQL Server 6.5 providing the database. I'm prepared to believe that I'm doing things wrong but as the documentation is minimal (again something else that rankles for such a high-priced product) it is difficult to find out just what it is I am supposed to be doing. However, as I've worked with databases (heirarchical, network, objects, relational and text) for 20 years I'm fairly sure that the problem is with the WebObjects software rather than in my knowledge or understanding of the subject matter. So I'm hoping that one of the groups I've posted this to is the correct place to engage in discussions of this software. If none of the groups are appropriate my apologies but then perhaps somebody could direct me to the correct place. I have tried to limit my question to groups that I think ought to be discussing WebObjects (check the Nswsgroups: line) and even prioritorised the list. If it were up to me I'd "just say No!" to WebObjects but several of my associate's prospective clients have mandated its use. :-( Regards, Trevor. -- "Real Men don't Read Instruction Manuals" Tim Allen, Home Improvement
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! Slab Will Not Shut Down... Date: 19 Nov 1997 23:51:32 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <64vu24$t7v$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <347134D7.9493D9A3@unixg.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dogstar@unixg.ubc.ca This is usually a symptom of a process which has not died properly. Several daemons can do this. Try this. Logout. Login as 'console' with no password. run 'ps -auxwww' and see what is still hanging around. There will be a certain amount of processes always running. There are some which stand out. Hopefully it will be clear. Try sending a 'kill -15 PID' (where PID is the process number, which you'll see when you do 'ps'). If 'kill -15' doesn't work, try 'kill -2 PID' and then 'kill -1 PID' If and only if that all doesn't work, use 'kill -9 PID'. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Info] more NeXT style icons Date: 19 Nov 1997 18:40:22 GMT Organization: ppai News Message-ID: <64vbqm$1gd$1@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi~ If you want more NeXT, Mac, BeBox style icons, Here is my collection. Also my edtions included. You will like it. Maybe.. If you feel like so pretty, Please send me mail with message "Very Good !" ^.^ # It should move to "ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/graphics/icons/" directory. # This collection supports only color Workspace. Thanks, 97.11.20 younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) ppai@bbs.para.co.kr(Large size NeXTMail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (ppai News) http://bbs.para.co.kr/~ppai (ppai News2) (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A & Info Board written in Korean) (The Web site contains 5,000 articles about NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody)
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POSIX? Date: 20 Nov 1997 00:17:38 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <64vvj2$t7v$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <64q38f$iu4$1@news.apple.com> <19971118221701.RAA13963@ladder01.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: willadams@aol.com In <19971118221701.RAA13963@ladder01.news.aol.com> WillAdams wrote: > As I noted here previously, BSD 4.4 in and of itself is POSIX compliant, hence, > Rhapsody is, with no further work or ado. Since Mark Bessey has seen fit to bring it to our attention that it is worth mentioning, my guess is that it is worth mentioning.... He probably has a litle better view than the rest of us. I would assume Rhapsody ~ BSD 4.4, not Rhapsody = 4.4. NeXTStep itself was not exactly the same as the BSD layer it was based on, if memory serves... TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: Curtis Crowson <curtis_crowson@removeme.emory.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Comdex Vegas Passes? Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:11:39 -0500 Organization: Emory University System of Health Care Message-ID: <347347FB.349A@removeme.emory.org> References: <64gs57$gou@suriname.earthlink.net> <346F5B31.E2FF413E@alum.mit.edu> <64snfu$csg@bolivia.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James T. Shapiro wrote: <interesting Comdex thoughts> Apple is not there this year. Neither is Netscape. Here is an article with info http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/info/111997/info3_10403_noframes.html I read an article that said Jobs pulled the plug to save money. Maybe he thought there was just no return on investment. -- Spam protection in place. remove the removeme from the address to reply.
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <201197140547@5page.web> Control: cancel <201197140547@5page.web> Date: 20 Nov 1997 06:11:22 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.201197140547@5page.web> Sender: freelifetime@5page.web Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au (Leigh Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep: Missing a few things Date: 20 Nov 1997 08:03:05 GMT Organization: The University of Western Australia Distribution: world Message-ID: <650qrp$s1c$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au> References: <64kirp$kk3$1@news1.mnsinc.com> <64mbej$ph4$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: marcel@system.de In <64mbej$ph4$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> marcel@system.de wrote: > In article <64kirp$kk3$1@news1.mnsinc.com> barry@gslink.com (Barry Bocaner) > writes: > > that Larry A. Latson, Jr. (lal9@po.CWRU.Edu) scribbled: > > > > > hi all, > > > > > i'm a new user of OpenStep4.2, and i love it. i'm originally > > > a unix/X user, and it seems to me that what made those > > > OS's so productive were the tab completion and the > > > automatic cut-and-paste with the mouse. > > for tab completion, get a copy of tcsh and change that to your default > > shell. That's not a unix or x feature, its a shell feature. > > NeXT's csh can also be made to do tab-completion, though not quite > as nice as bash or tcsh. Create a file called '.bindings' in your > home directory with the following contents: > > bind-to-key FilenameExpansion "\^I" Actually, /usr/bin/zsh is already supplied with OpenStep and does tab completion (plus heaps more) automatically. Just add the path to /etc/shells. -- Leigh Computer Science, University of Western Australia Smith +61-8-9380-3778 leigh@NOSPAMcs.uwa.edu.au (NeXTMail/MIME) "Home pages are the pet rock of the 90s. We all have them, we all think they're very cute. But in a few years we're going to look back and be pretty embarrassed." -- Tony Shepps <toad@pond.com> "Why wait?" -- Peter Langston
From: Valentino Kyriakides <vkyr@lavielle.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: compiling C++ source with posix code Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:01:31 +0100 Organization: Lavielle Message-ID: <3474269B.7F24@lavielle.com> References: <64v54v$9n4@news.service.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven Frank wrote: > > I am trying to compile some code that makes calls to termios functions. > The code uses C++, so I tried > c++ -posix ... > which works, except that I get > > ld: Undefined symbols: > .constructors_used > .destructors_used > > I haven't been able to link in a way that pulls in these symbols, without > generating other errors. > > Any ideas? > Did you also tried to apply "-posix" as a linker flag? AFAIK, you have to pass the -posix option to both, the compiler and the linker in order to get a correct behaviour under NS/OS. -- Valentino Kyriakides Lavielle EDV Systemberatung GmbH & Co. Tel.: +49(0)40 / 65 80 8 - 997 Lotharstrasse 2b, D-22041 Hamburg, Germany Fax.: +49(0)40 / 65 808-202 http://www.lavielle.com/ mailto: vkyr@lavielle.com
From: phractal@aol.com (Phractal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! Slab Will Not Shut Down... Date: 21 Nov 1997 00:21:12 GMT Message-ID: <19971121002101.TAA07421@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <347134D7.9493D9A3@unixg.ubc.ca> i had a similar problem and i finally realized what was going on after doing some tests. In my case, a modem which was connected to the serial port but not working correctly was hanging my box. try disconnecting whatever peripherals you have and see if it shutsdown properly. -Erik
From: jkeenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple Supports Only OpenStep Date: 20 Nov 1997 23:50:42 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <652ici$tl6$1@news2.apple.com> References: <347459cc.1248332@news.gatech.edu> In article <347459cc.1248332@news.gatech.edu> bmeadows@acl.gatech.edu (Brian K. Meadows) writes: > I just got a letter from Apples Enterprise Technical Support that > spells which Next software products will still receive technical > support after 2/28/98. Everything else is no longer supported > effective immediately or is dropped by Apple no latter than the end of > 28FEB98. > > Here is the list of supported software: > > Enterprise Objects Framework 1.2, 2.0, 2.1 > > OpenStep Enterprise 4.1, 4.2 > > OpenStep Release 4.2 Developer & User > > PDO Release 4.0 > > WebObjects 3.0, 3.1 Developer & Deployment > > > Guess this is a case of "march or die." > > > Brian Let me clarify this a little, because it's more complicated than Brian listed. Here's the actual information from the letter that was sent to customers: Effective immediately, Apple will no longer support the following products; PDO Release 1.0 PDO Release 2.0 WebObjects Release 1.0 Effective 2/28/98, Apple will no longer support the following products; NEXTSTEP Release 3.3 Developer & User OPENSTEP Release 4.0 Developer & User Enterprise Objects Framework Release 1.0 Enterprise Objects Framework Release 1.1 WebObjects Enterprise Release 2.0 PDO Release 3.0 NextTime DBKit Effective 12/31/98, Apple will no longer support the following product; OPENSTEP Release 4.1 Developer & User Apple will continue to provide free configuration and installation support, and fee-based support, for the following products, until you are otherwise notified; Enterprise Objects Framework 1.2 Enterprise Objects Framework 2.0 Enterprise Objects Framework 2.1 OPENSTEP Enterprise 4.1 OPENSTEP Enterprise 4.2 OPENSTEP Release 4.2 Developer & User PDO Release 4.0 WebObjects 3.0 Developer & Deployment WebObjects3.1 Developer & Deployment Joe Keenan Manager, Enterprise Technical Support Apple Computer, Inc.
From: "Roger M. Jones" <rmj@leland.Stanford.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: External HD & NeXT 4.0 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:25:10 -0800 Sender: rmj@elaine9.Stanford.EDU Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971111094924.22542B-100000@elaine9.Stanford.EDU> References: <62h8rp$lfb$1@ralph.vnet.net> <62iai3$1s7$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <62iai3$1s7$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> I am trying to attach an external HD of 9 GB under NeXT 3.2 and am having some problems. Does NeXT 4.0 automatically recognise the drive? (if so I will purchase a copy). Many thanks, -Roger Jones (rmj@leland.stanford.edu)
From: "Kwangbo SHIM" <shim@imaginet.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP:To Install OPENSTAP 4.1 on portable Toshiba 440CDX Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:24:48 +0100 Organization: ImagiNET Message-ID: <653jh4$qj6$1@belzebul.imaginet.fr> Bonjour! Subject says all. Install program gives some error messages as following: SCSI drive or CDROM drive not found...... . . . ...sd%d ed%d... boot: Can someone help me? Any suggestion and information will be appreciated!!!! Merci beaucoup!
From: drifterusa@sprintmail.com (John Bauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple Supports Only OpenStep Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:43:56 -0500 Organization: KAOS Message-ID: <199711210343561452593@sdn-ts-001txhousp12.dialsprint.net> References: <347459cc.1248332@news.gatech.edu> <652ici$tl6$1@news2.apple.com> Joe Keenan wrote about Apple's support plans for NeXT software, including: > OPENSTEP Enterprise 4.2 > OPENSTEP Release 4.2 Developer & User What's the difference between these two? Is Enterprise the server version? -- John Bauer <remove NOT from email address above, just like the spammers do>
From: king phil <kingphil@iruletheworld!.disorg> Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Computer Problems??? Arizona Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:39:23 -0600 Organization: King Phil Cleans Out Fungus, Grease and Slime, Ltd. Message-ID: <653ogd$r5q$2@news.megsinet.net> References: <34747E4A.928B0D1A@netzone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a friendly note, Jeffy. Sending binary attachments to non-binary news groups is generally frowned upon. Have a nice day. Jeff Piurek wrote: Sincerely Jeff Piurek > > Email: jeff777@netzone.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: vcard.vcf > Part 1.2 Type: text/x-vcard > Encoding: 7bit > Description: Card for Jeff Piurek
From: d89cb@efd.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple Supports Only OpenStep Date: 21 Nov 1997 12:57:05 GMT Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Message-ID: <6540f1$qe9$1@news.lth.se> References: <347459cc.1248332@news.gatech.edu> <652ici$tl6$1@news2.apple.com> <199711210343561452593@sdn-ts-001txhousp12.dialsprint.net> NNTP-Posting-User: d89cb In article <199711210343561452593@sdn-ts-001txhousp12.dialsprint.net>, John Bauer <drifterusa@sprintmail.com> wrote: >Joe Keenan wrote about Apple's support plans for NeXT software, >including: > >> OPENSTEP Enterprise 4.2 >> OPENSTEP Release 4.2 Developer & User > >What's the difference between these two? Is Enterprise the server >version? 'OPENSTEP Release 4.2' is 'OPENSTEP on Mach/BSD', ie, what used to be called 'NEXTSTEP' (and 'NeXTSTEP' and 'NeXTstep'), and which is becoming 'Rhapsody'. 'OPENSTEP Enterprise 4.2' is OpenStep + development tools on Windows NT and Windows 95, which is becoming 'Yellow Box for Windows NT/95', in loose terms. I hope this clears thing up :) > >-- >John Bauer ><remove NOT from email address above, just like the spammers do> // Christian Brunschen
From: Jeff Piurek <jeff777@netzone.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000,comp.software-eng,comp.sources.bugs,comp.sources.testers,comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I buy used computers Arizona Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:37:59 -0700 Organization: Eagle Supply Message-ID: <34761B57.9DEECDE4@netzone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E38ABA9F46E42D37EAB2305C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E38ABA9F46E42D37EAB2305C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I buy and sell used computers. If you have an old 486 or better laying around and want turn it into cash. Please E-mail me at jeff777@netzone.com Thanx Jeff --------------E38ABA9F46E42D37EAB2305C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jeff Piurek Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Jeff Piurek n: Piurek;Jeff email;internet: jeff777@netzone.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------E38ABA9F46E42D37EAB2305C--
From: Chris Villarreal <purpled@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000,comp.software-eng,comp.sources.bugs,comp.sources.testers,comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I buy used computers Arizona Date: 21 Nov 1997 17:53:00 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <34762CC2.D5F6B637@primenet.com> References: <34761B57.9DEECDE4@netzone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Piurek wrote: > > I buy and sell used computers. If you have an old 486 or better laying > around and want turn it into cash. Please E-mail me at > jeff777@netzone.com > > Thanx Jeff > -------------------------------------------------- STANDARD USENET BONEHEAD REPLY FORM (version 78.7) -------------------------------------------------- (check all boxes that apply) Dear: [ X ] Clueless Newbie [ ] Lamer [ ] Flamer [ ] "Me too"-er [ ] Pervert [ ] Geek [ X ] Spammer [ ] Racist [ ] Fed [ ] Stereotypical AOLer [ ] Freak [ ] Troller [ ] Fundamentalist [ ] Satanist [ ] "Expert" You Are Being Flamed Because: [ ] You obviously don't know anything about the topic at hand [ X ] You are trying to make money on a non-commercial newsgroup [ ] You quoted an ENTIRE post in your reply [ ] You started a long, stupid thread [ ] You continued spreading a long, stupid thread [ ] Your post is absurdly off topic for where you posted it [ X ] Your lack of understanding of the fundamentals is disgusting [ ] You posted a followup to crossposted robot-generated spam [ ] You posted a "test" in a discussion group rather than in alt.test [ ] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message [ ] You posted low-IQ flamebait [ ] You posted a blatently obvious troll [ ] You followed up to a blatently obvious troll [ ] You said "X rules, Y sucks" and gave no support for your lame statement [ ] You said "me too" to something [ ] You make no sense [ ] You made a post yet failed to say anything [ ] Your sig/alias/server is dreadful [ ] You posted a phone-sex ad [ ] You posted a stupid pyramid money making scheme [ ] You claimed a pyramid-scheme/chain letter for money was legal [ ] You are claiming that you know more than Newton, Ohm, Pavlov, etc. [ ] Your margin settings (or lack of) make your post unreadable [ ] You made a baseless assertion [ ] You posted SCREAMING in RANDOM CAPS (OR IN ALL CAPS) for NO APPARENT REASON [ ] YoU tYpEd SoMeThInG lAmE lIkE tHiS [ ] You didn't do anything specific, but appear to be so generally worthless that you are being flamed anyway To Repent, You Must: [ X ] Refrain from posting until you have a vague idea what you're doing [ ] Stop masturbating for a week [ ] Read every newsgroup you posted to for a week [ ] Give up your AOL account [ ] Bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it [ ] Tell your Mommy to up your medication [ X ] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor (monitor must be plugged in) [ ] Actually post something relevant [ ] Read and memorize the FAQ [ ] Post to alt.test [ ] Print your home phone number in your ads [ ] Be the guest of honor in alt.flame for a month In Closing, I'd Like to Say: [ ] Blow me [ X ] Get a clue [ ] Get a life [ ] Go away [ ] Grow up [ ] Never post again [ ] I pity your dog [ ] You need to seek psychiatric help [ ] Morons like you give ammo to pro-censorship morons [ ] Yer momma's so fat/stupid/ugly that etc... [ ] Take your gibberish somewhere else [ ] Go back to school and actaully learn something [ X ] Learn how to post or get off the usenet [ ] All of the above
From: echen@cs.rice.edu (Edward S. Chen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Virtual PC and NeXTStep3.3 Date: 22 Nov 1997 02:10:55 GMT Organization: Rice University Message-ID: <655evf$s79$1@joe.rice.edu> I am trying to install NeXTSTep 3.3 on a Mac 8500/180 running "Virtual PC." The CD is configured as EIDE/ATAPI, but the only drivers on the driver disk are SCSI. According to the FAQ, EIDE is supported in 3.3. Can anybody point me at a disk(/image), or place I could get the appropriate driver? Much thanks, <ESC> -- Cellophane Flowers of Yellow and Green, Towering over your head -- J. Lennon / P. McCartney, 1967 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Spritle <skizm@erols.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000,comp.software-eng,comp.sources.bugs,comp.sources.testers,comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I buy used computers Arizona Date: 22 Nov 1997 02:25:38 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <655fr2$d4v$2@winter.news.erols.com> References: <34761B57.9DEECDE4@netzone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ill sell you my 486/100 PC for $4500 my broken cga monitor is included.
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From: ANTI_SPAM_dreely@cyberstore.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Virtual PC and NeXTStep3.3 Date: 22 Nov 1997 08:10:29 GMT Organization: Canada Internet Direct, Inc. Message-ID: <65641l$la8$2@brie.direct.ca> References: <655evf$s79$1@joe.rice.edu> echen@cs.rice.edu (Edward S. Chen) wrote: > >I am trying to install NeXTSTep 3.3 on a Mac 8500/180 running "Virtual PC." >The CD is configured as EIDE/ATAPI, but the only drivers on the driver >disk are SCSI. According to the FAQ, EIDE is supported in 3.3. Can anybody >point me at a disk(/image), or place I could get the appropriate driver? As I recall, your suppose to select the Adaptec 1542 SCSI driver. This of course is for real Intel hardware. On Intel the CD drive was also suppose to be hooked to the primary controller during installation. Doing a search at http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/ came up with this document: http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/1933.htmld/1933.html Good luck with the emulator. Why don't you look at their web page for information, since they claim you can do what it is your trying. Darren www.bcog.org/~dreely
From: Matthew_Seaman@plsys.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POSIX? Date: 18 Nov 1997 11:55:58 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <64rvoe$lae$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <19971108131128309115@i3-31.islandnet.com> <64q38f$iu4$1@news.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: mbessey@apple.com In <64q38f$iu4$1@news.apple.com> Mark Bessey wrote: > Dale Friesen writes > > Is OpenStep POSIX-compliant? > > No. > > > If not, is there word on whether or not Rhapsody will be? > > I don't believe that Apple has made any claims about POSIX compatibility > for Rhapsody. If you think that POSIX compatibility is an important > feature for Rhapsody to have, send mail to > rhapsody_dev_feedback@apple.com > Thanks, But BSD 4.4-lite is POSIX compliant, at least for some values of POSIX. Rhapsody uses the BSD 4.4-lite distribution as the basis of it's system library, which would imply that most, if not all, of the POSIX-y features (struct dirent, tcsetattr(), uname() etc.) are present, so from a practical point of view, most POSIX compliant stuff should compile fairly readily. Matthew -- Certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate nin iam adesse. Matthew Seaman P&L Systems, 12 The Broadway, Amersham, Bucks., HP7 0HP, UK Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478
From: mpaque.spa-am@nospam.wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can a NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:52:14 GMT Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <347725ac.1067294@news.wco.com> References: <3473110C.70A1F819@bah.com> On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:17:17 +0800, Chong Tim <chongt@bah.com> wrote: >Anyone know if the NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac, and will I get the >2nd button working via cdev from Kensington? Yup. The mouse works just fine on a Power Mac. (I'm using one on the Mac next to me, along with the NeXT ADB keyboard.) The mouse is electrically identical to the two button ADB mouse used on (some of) the Apple II GS machines. If there's a CDEV for that mouse out there somewhere I'd give it a try. Mike Paquette mpaque AT wco.com (Damn junk-mailers!)
From: Chong Tim <chongt@bah.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: Generic S3 Virge DX 4M & OpenStep 4.2 Mach Intel Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:10:48 +0800 Organization: Booz Allen & Hamilton Inc. Message-ID: <347790A8.FEBD953E@bah.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Sorry to bother u but I need your help (if you can help), I've have just gotten a S3 Virge DX 4M (it's a generic PCI card) for the OpenSStep 4.2 Mach Intel box that I have. The strange thing is although OpenStep Configure.app detected the card as a S3 Virge card (using Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 PCI-Bus Display Adapter), but once I choose this option, upon reboot I can never see the screen as the screen is dispay at a rong frequency (I think... tried all 60MHz-85Mhz, still the same)... now the best I can get is just using the Generic SVGA driver that allows me 800 x 600 at 2 bit depth. U have any idea? TIA, TC
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <19598879656442@digifix.com> Date: 23 Nov 1997 05:00:08 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <8981880261224@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. 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Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000,comp.software-eng,comp.sources.bugs,comp.sources.testers,comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: Jeff Piurek <jeff777@netzone.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <34761B57.9DEECDE4@netzone.com> Control: cancel <34761B57.9DEECDE4@netzone.com> Message-ID: <cancel.34761B57.9DEECDE4@netzone.com> Followup-to: junk References: <34761B57.9DEECDE4@netzone.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:23:54 GMT Please see http://www.stopspam.org/
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <231197182020@webpage.com> Control: cancel <231197182020@webpage.com> Date: 23 Nov 1997 10:20:57 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.231197182020@webpage.com> Sender: lifetime@webpage.com Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can a NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac? Date: 22 Nov 1997 22:34:31 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <657mln$g81$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> References: <3473110C.70A1F819@bah.com> <347725ac.1067294@news.wco.com> In article <347725ac.1067294@news.wco.com>, Mike Paquette <mpaque.spa-am@nospam.wco.com> wrote: >The mouse is electrically identical to the two button ADB mouse used >on (some of) the Apple II GS machines. If there's a CDEV for that >mouse out there somewhere I'd give it a try. You can get the Kensington mouse software from their web page and it'll recognize the 2nd mouse button. Any reason why the ADB keyboard can't be powered down via its power key unlike Apple keyboards? Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue M/S 44UR Performance Availability & Solutions Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.1053 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company
From: mbessey@apple.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POSIX? Date: 18 Nov 1997 22:53:25 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <64t695$262$1@news.apple.com> References: <64rvoe$lae$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> Matthew Seaman writes > But BSD 4.4-lite is POSIX compliant, at least for some values of POSIX. > Rhapsody uses the BSD 4.4-lite distribution as the basis of it's system > library, which would imply that most, if not all, of the POSIX-y > features (struct dirent, tcsetattr(), uname() etc.) are present, so from > a practical point of view, most POSIX compliant stuff should compile > fairly readily. Well, yeah. But there's a difference between "most POSIX stuff should compile with little or no changes" and "Apple certifies that this system meets all applicable requirements of POSIX 1003.1 and 1003.2". -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: shapiro@"no-spam"bova.goodnet.com (James T. Shapiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Comdex Vegas Passes? Date: 18 Nov 1997 17:40:31 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <64sjuf$86h@bolivia.earthlink.net> References: <64gs57$gou@suriname.earthlink.net> <346F5B31.E2FF413E@alum.mit.edu> <yl3n2j3wo0o.fsf@shell8.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: steffi@shell8.ba.best.com Haven't gotten there yet to find out. But I would be extremely surprised if it was not there. Getting tickets will help make such determinations. While it can be said that Microsoft and Intel own Comdex, I do recall a MAC supported presence last year although it was not at the forefront. In particular, I recall a area where they were doing the demonstration running Photoshop and etc. showing how Apple hardware could blow the doors off of Intel hardware. There also were vendors sporting there Apple softwares/hardwares along with Intel. I should note, however, that I didn't look to closely as I was more interested in what PC supported hardware would work with NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP and Black Hardware. In order to contact me directly, please remove the "no spam" along with the quotes from the provided E-mail address. In <yl3n2j3wo0o.fsf@shell8.ba.best.com> Robert Nicholson wrote: > Microsoft and Wintel own Comdex. > > Q. Is Javasoft at Comdex? >
From: doyle@aps.org (Mark Doyle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.databases.object Subject: Re: Is this an appropriate group to discuss Apple's (nee NeXT's) WebObjects Software Date: 19 Nov 1997 18:26:56 GMT Organization: American Physical Society Message-ID: <64vb1g$g1t$1@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> References: <347316f5.7513410@news.demon.co.uk> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) wrote: >So I'm hoping that one of the groups I've posted this to is the correct >place to engage in discussions of this software. If none of the groups are >appropriate my apologies but then perhaps somebody could direct me to the >correct place. I have tried to limit my question to groups that I think >ought to be discussing WebObjects (check the Nswsgroups: line) and even >prioritorised the list. I believe the best place to ask your questions is comp.sys.next.programmer. Best signal-to-noise ratio and people with the right expertise to help you through WebObjects (which I think you are dismissing too quickly -- but I am no expert). Post your specific problems and questions there (and probably not to any of these newsgroups). Cheers, Mark
From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Info] Notebook icons for NEXTSTEP Date: 23 Nov 1997 18:43:52 GMT Organization: ppai News Message-ID: <659th8$t1e$1@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi~ If you want Notebook icons for NeXT, This icon pack is just for you. You will like it. Maybe.. If you feel like so pretty, Please send me mail with message "Very Good !" ^.^ # It should move to "ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/graphics/icons/" directory. # This collection supports only color Workspace. Thanks, 97.11.24 younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) ppai@bbs.para.co.kr (Large size NeXTMail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (ppai News) http://bbs.para.co.kr/~ppai (ppai News2) (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A & Info Board written in Korean) (The Web site contains 5,000 articles about NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody)
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can a NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:54:31 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Message-ID: <1d0634g.19dhapa1rjx5ugN@serpens201.wco.com> References: <3473110C.70A1F819@bah.com> <347725ac.1067294@news.wco.com> <657mln$g81$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> Ken Lui <klui@cup.hp.com> wrote: > Any reason why the ADB keyboard can't be powered down via its > power key unlike Apple keyboards? The power key yanks on the power-on signal line to turn on the machine, but it doesn't generate the pair of 0x7f scancodes like the Apple keyboard does. It's a minor flaw that only affects people who like to combine odd bits of hardware. (I'm using the NeXT ADB mouse on my system right now.) -- Mike Paquette mpaque AT wco.com
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From: Markee <markee@april.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Computer Problems??? Arizona Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:14:28 +0000 Organization: april Distribution: world Message-ID: <iofLaCAUd2d0EwGf@april.demon.co.uk> References: <34747E4A.928B0D1A@netzone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In article <34747E4A.928B0D1A@netzone.com>, Jeff Piurek <jeff777@netzone.com> writes > Are you having trouble understanding why your computer >seems to be so difficult at times? Do you spend hours night after night > >trying to solve the problem to no avail? Usually these problems can be >solved quite easy and inexpensively. > We have spent many hours working with the same problems > >that you are currently facing. Don't you think that its time to spend Perhaps we could email him with some obscure Acorn problem to solve...Forgot, Acorn's don't have obscure intermittent, problems (but I suppose we can emulate Win95) -- Markee
From: Chuck Swiger <cswiger@blacksmith.com> Newsgroups: comp.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Problems Installing 3.1 Date: 24 Nov 1997 18:02:58 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <65cfgi$cgm$4@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <6595ep$edv$1@news.mistral.co.uk> [ ...newsgroups trimmed... ] "Rosvita Dolstra" <jtownsend@mistral.co.uk> wrote: > I'm trying to install Version 3.1 of NEXTSTEP, and am getting to following > errors while booting from the install floppy: [ ... ] > The CD-ROM is a TEAC CD-524E, and works fine under NT, 95 and Warp > I dont have SCSI or Ethernet There's the problem right there. You have to have SCSI CD-ROM to install NEXTSTEP 3.1. You'll need NEXTSTEP 3.3 (or later) to do an install with an IDE CD-ROM drive. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cswiger@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+------------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: web@kensington.com Subject: Re: Can a NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac? Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:01:18 -0600 Message-ID: <880397603.15253@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Kensington Technology Group References: <3473110C.70A1F819@bah.com> <347725ac.1067294@news.wco.com> <657mln$g81$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> In article <657mln$g81$1@ocean.cup.hp.com>, klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) wrote: > > You can get the Kensington mouse software from their web page and > it'll recognize the 2nd mouse button. Our web site only has updates, not full installs. Our latest software (version 5.02) would cost $19.95. To order the software, please contact our fulfillment house at 1-800-482-4828. Give the operator the reference code UPGPD and they will arrange for the new software to be sent to you. What you receive will be a full installation of the software. Let me know if you have any questions or you can call Tech Support at (800) 535- 4242. We are open Monday through Friday, 8 AM to 5 PM Pacific time. Bill Mason Technician Kensington Technology Group web@kensington.com My opinions are mine, not my employers. Note: Kensington does not use newsgroups as an official support channel. For technical support, call 800-535-4242 or visit http://www.kensington.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Install OPENSTEP for NT on a laptop? Date: 23 Nov 1997 22:57:05 GMT Organization: Not Sure Yet Message-ID: <65acc1$l61$1@dns2.serv.net> I wasn't sure which group to post this into so here it is in good ole .misc Anyway, what I am thinking about is installin NT onto a laptop and then getting OPENSTEP NT installed. Has anyone done this? Will OPENSTEP run on any machine that has NT running on it? Or does it have it's own requirements on top? It seems like a more cost effective way to get OPENSTEP onto a laptop since the ones that will run Mach are pretty expensive, but to run NT are getting pretty cheap. Any tips, hints, or pitfalls greatly appreciated, dean johnson
From: steve2@jojo.bio.uci.edu (Steven Frank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: compiling C++ source with posix code Date: 20 Nov 1997 18:02:40 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Message-ID: <651u00$mla@news.service.uci.edu> References: <64v54v$9n4@news.service.uci.edu> <3474269B.7F24@lavielle.com> In article <3474269B.7F24@lavielle.com>, Valentino Kyriakides <vkyr@lavielle.com> wrote: >Steven Frank wrote: >> >> I am trying to compile some code that makes calls to termios functions. >> The code uses C++, so I tried... >Did you also tried to apply "-posix" as a linker flag? > Yes, I did. That doesn't solve the problem.
From: nospam@please.net (steven gougi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ext Hard Disk Backup?? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:37:52 -0800 Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <nospam-ya023680002511970437520001@news.slip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have installed a Mac- Formatted external hard disk onto my NeXT Color Turbo running NS 3.2, correctly jumpered and terminated. Pray tell : How do I format this disk ? How do I make a complete backup copy of my internal hard disk to the external, without going to the trouble of reinstalling and configuring everything from scratch? Please assist the technically illiterate! Profuse thanks in advance Steven gougi gougi AT slip DOT net
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: OFFER/HELP: free hardware for salvaged files Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:04:40 -0600 Organization: Illinois State University Message-ID: <34727368.7C60552@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <34722C2F.2978@bfwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: bwebster@bfwa.com Bruce F. Webster wrote: > I have files that I'd like to get off of both machines, as well as lots > of files on ODs that I'd like to salvage as well. Try Drivesavers - http://www.drivesavers.com -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Wars CREATE Gov't Bureaucracy. MIME,HTML,NeXT,PGP,SUN Mail ok WASHINGTON, DC -- Warning: The Surgeon General has determined that the U.S. Government is hazardous to your health. Do you know about the health risks associated with repeated dosages of government irresponsibility?! VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE ENTIRELY MY OWN
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problems Installing 3.1 Date: 24 Nov 1997 02:47:36 GMT Message-ID: <19971124024700.VAA03228@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6595ep$edv$1@news.mistral.co.uk> This seems to be to Intel, correct? What kind of SCSI adapter are you using? The list of adapters supported by 3.1 would probably fit within my sig below. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: Steve Dekorte <dekorte@slip.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.databases.object Subject: Re: Is this an appropriate group to discuss Apple's (nee NeXT's) WebObjects Software Date: 20 Nov 1997 06:56:26 GMT Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <650muq$6ec$2@owl.slip.net> References: <347316f5.7513410@news.demon.co.uk> In comp.lang.objective-c Trevor Jenkins <tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk> wrote: > So far I'm not impressed with either WebObjects builder or EOModeller. Well, all I can say is that it's worked great for us. Just the fact that we can use the same business objects for our web interface(on Solaris) as we use on our email interface(on Mach) and our backend GUI apps(on NT) has saved us an enormous amount of time and energy. We also managed to do some pretty complicated interactive Web/DB pages (see www.inquisit.com) in just 3 months (from start to live production release). > So I'm hoping that one of the groups I've posted this to is the correct > place to engage in discussions of this software. If none of the groups are Check out the WebObjects mailing list at www.omnigroup.com. -- Steve Dekorte - OpenStep consultant - San Francisco
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can a NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac? Date: 24 Nov 1997 23:14:22 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <65d1oe$je6$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> References: <3473110C.70A1F819@bah.com> <347725ac.1067294@news.wco.com> <657mln$g81$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> <880397603.15253@dejanews.com> In article <880397603.15253@dejanews.com>, <web@kensington.com> wrote: >Our web site only has updates, not full installs. Our latest software >(version 5.02) would cost $19.95. >-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Well, there you have it, folks. I'm constantly amazed at the high level of Kensington tech-support. Any chance Kensington might be producing black trackballs? Currently, I'm seriously looking at the Co-Star black manta trackballs. Anyone out there have any experiences? Co-Star no longer lists trackballs on their web site, so are they orphaned? I'm using MicroSpeed trackballs and they're great. I just want black varieties. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue M/S 44UR Performance Availability & Solutions Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.1053 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company
From: No-Spam-As-Spam-Is-Evil@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 25 Nov 1997 06:32:51 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <65drej$76c$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <01bcf6eb$55e43d60$LocalHost@scthomas> <657l7c$jul$1@news.usf.edu> <65c2ec$p1v@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <000034799AA6.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> Josh Hesse wrote: > Just out of curiousity, the different rows on my NeXT ADB keyboard all appear > to have the same profile. Has anybody had luck converting a NeXTstation to > use Dvorak? There are some old keymapping files around (I have a couple I think). I never had the guts to pop the keytops off my keyboard, but you might be more daring than I.... I never was able to retrain my fingers to type that way, and never spent the time doing it. My Intel has a M$ Natural, and that works quite nicely at reducing hand stress without requiring too much re-learning of how to type. I switch computers too much to go to something as odd as dvorak, which is clearly superior (since QWERTY was designed specifically to slow your typing down). TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard? Date: 25 Nov 1997 03:41:57 GMT Organization: Spontaneous Freelance Network Consulting, UnInc. Message-ID: <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <01bcf6eb$55e43d60$LocalHost@scthomas> <657l7c$jul$1@news.usf.edu> <65c2ec$p1v@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <000034799AA6.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> Ian Stirling (000034799AA6.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk) wrote: : David Jacoby <jacoby@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu> wrote: : : : But have you ever seen a real Dvorak keyboard, or do you just have to pop : : the keys and replace them to match the remapping? : : Can't, the keys on most keyboards are differently profiled per row, : so it looks/feels horrible. : I actually did that with a spare mac keyboard here at school. I was quite suprised at how easy it was to learn(doing pretty damn good in less than 15 minutes), but the key profiles were really screwed up. Just out of curiousity, the different rows on my NeXT ADB keyboard all appear to have the same profile. Has anybody had luck converting a NeXTstation to use Dvorak? -Josh -- Do not send mail to this account. Really. "Talk about silly conspiracy theories..." -Wayne Schlitt in unl.general This post (C)1997, Josh Hesse. Quoted material is (C) of the person quoted. |ess|erb|unl|u| email: jh|e@h|ie.|.ed| Vote for "citizan" Bob! <http://www.wtv.net/trustee/>
From: liuyi@dragon-dance.com (Yi Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard? Date: 25 Nov 1997 11:01:50 GMT Organization: 9h, Inc. Message-ID: <slrn67lc0a.ch.liuyi@caiman.dragon-dance.com> References: <01bcf6eb$55e43d60$LocalHost@scthomas> <657l7c$jul$1@news.usf.edu> <65c2ec$p1v@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <000034799AA6.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> <65drej$76c$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> On 25 Nov 1997 06:32:51 GMT, Timothy J. Luoma <No-Spam-As-Spam-Is-Evil@all.please> wrote: > In <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> Josh Hesse wrote: > > to have the same profile. Has anybody had luck converting a > > NeXTstation to use Dvorak? > > There are some old keymapping files around (I have a couple I > think). I never had the guts to pop the keytops off my keyboard, > but you might be more daring than I.... In addition to keymappings: If you have ~$200 to spare, you might also want to consider getting a Kinesis (www.kinesis-ergo.com) QD keyboard that switches between Dvorak and QWERTY with the touch of a button. I've had mine (a pro MPC/QD that switches between PC/MAC/QWERTY/Dvorak) for about 8 months now, and it really reduces the strain on my fingers. Kenesis also came out with a new split keyboard design recently, I'll bet they have a Q/D switchable version too. And for the cost of shipping, you can try the keyboard for 30 days. liuyi -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@dragon-dance.com> {NeXTMail|MIME|ASCII}
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hans@onevision.de (Hans Stoeger) Subject: Re: Help: Generic S3 Virge DX 4M & OpenStep 4.2 Mach Intel Message-ID: <EK71At.HG5@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision Vertriebs-GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <347790A8.FEBD953E@bah.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:37:41 GMT In article <347790A8.FEBD953E@bah.com> Chong Tim <chongt@bah.com> writes: > Hi all, > > Sorry to bother u but I need your help (if you can help), I've have just > gotten a S3 Virge DX 4M (it's a generic PCI card) for the OpenSStep 4.2 Mach > Intel box that I have. > > The strange thing is although OpenStep Configure.app detected the card as a S3 > Virge card (using Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 PCI-Bus Display Adapter), but once I > choose this option, upon reboot I can never see the screen as the screen is DO NOT USE THE Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 personality. just use the Generic S3 PCI driver! ====================================================================== Hans Stoeger OneVision Vertriebs-GmbH Support Zeiss-Strasse 9 Email: hans@onevision.de D-93053 Regensburg No big mails, Please! Germany
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <65dr93$bqp@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <65dr93$bqp@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Date: 25 Nov 1997 06:35:40 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.65dr93$bqp@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Sender: money@cash.com Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: No-Spam-As-Spam-Is-Evil@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard? Date: 25 Nov 1997 14:30:24 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <65ene0$7bn$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <01bcf6eb$55e43d60$LocalHost@scthomas> <657l7c$jul$1@news.usf.edu> <65c2ec$p1v@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <000034799AA6.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> <65drej$76c$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <slrn67lc0a.ch.liuyi@caiman.dragon-dance.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: liuyi@dragon-dance.com In <slrn67lc0a.ch.liuyi@caiman.dragon-dance.com> Yi Liu wrote: > > In <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> Josh Hesse wrote: > > > to have the same profile. Has anybody had luck converting a > > > NeXTstation to use Dvorak? > If you have ~$200 to spare, you might also want to consider getting a > Kinesis (www.kinesis-ergo.com) QD keyboard that switches between > Dvorak and QWERTY with the touch of a button. I've had mine (a pro > MPC/QD that switches between PC/MAC/QWERTY/Dvorak) for about 8 months > now, and it really reduces the strain on my fingers. Do they have a keyboard compatible with the NeXTStation?? TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: Jeff Piurek <jeff777@netzone.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Computer Problems??? Arizona Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:15:38 -0700 Organization: Eagle Supply Message-ID: <34747E4A.928B0D1A@netzone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B2C2E267906B7D094C7B90B6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B2C2E267906B7D094C7B90B6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you having trouble understanding why your computer seems to be so difficult at times? Do you spend hours night after night trying to solve the problem to no avail? Usually these problems can be solved quite easy and inexpensively. We have spent many hours working with the same problems that you are currently facing. Don't you think that its time to spend your time more productively doing the things you set out to do rather than continuing to wrestle with that computer? Believe me I have been there. And was willing to do anything to make the problem just go away. That is why I started my own business helping other people unlock their computers true potential, rather than constantly trying to fix it.. I have been working on computers since 1990 and have resolved many problems. Mostly in the hardware field. Such as upgrades service and trouble shooting software and hardware conflicts. In a joint effort with my partner Betty who has a vast knowledge in software ranging from Windows, Word, Excel, Access, Quickbooks and more and has solved many problems in the software realm through classes in a corporate setting , as well as a personal one on one basis. I believe that we may be able to help take the edge off your computers problems. So if your have a small business or just indulge in personal computing. Please give us a try when you wake to your next computer nightmare. Our prices are very competitive and non gouging. And believe me, I have been there before and do understand. I am sorry to not offer our services outside the state of Arizona yet. But we are researching it in depth before taking that big step. Thank You for your attention: Sincerely Jeff Piurek Email: jeff777@netzone.com --------------B2C2E267906B7D094C7B90B6 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jeff Piurek Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Jeff Piurek n: Piurek;Jeff email;internet: jeff777@netzone.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------B2C2E267906B7D094C7B90B6--
From: web@kensington.com Subject: Re: Can a NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:51:47 -0600 Message-ID: <880483647.29696@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Kensington Technology Group References: <3473110C.70A1F819@bah.com> <347725ac.1067294@news.wco.com> <657mln$g81$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> <880397603.15253@dejanews.com> <65d1oe$je6$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> In article <65d1oe$je6$1@ocean.cup.hp.com>, klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) wrote: > > Well, there you have it, folks. I'm constantly amazed at the > high level of Kensington tech-support. Any chance Kensington > might be producing black trackballs? There are no plans to that I'm aware of. Bill Mason Technician Kensington Technology Group web@kensington.com My opinions are mine, not my employers. Note: Kensington does not use newsgroups as an official support channel. For technical support, call 800-535-4242 or visit http://www.kensington.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: liuyi@dragon-dance.com (Yi Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard? Date: 25 Nov 1997 23:20:00 GMT Organization: 9h, Inc. Message-ID: <slrn67mn8i.kd.liuyi@caiman.dragon-dance.com> References: <01bcf6eb$55e43d60$LocalHost@scthomas> <657l7c$jul$1@news.usf.edu> <65c2ec$p1v@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <000034799AA6.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> <65drej$76c$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <slrn67lc0a.ch.liuyi@caiman.dragon-dance.com> <65ene0$7bn$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> On 25 Nov 1997 14:30:24 GMT, Timothy J. Luoma <No-Spam-As-Spam-Is-Evil@all.please> wrote: > > > In <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> Josh Hesse wrote: > > > > to have the same profile. Has anybody had luck converting a > > > > NeXTstation to use Dvorak? > > > If you have ~$200 to spare, you might also want to consider getting a > > Kinesis (www.kinesis-ergo.com) QD keyboard that switches between > > ... > > Do they have a keyboard compatible with the NeXTStation?? No, it only works on ADB NeXT hardware. liuyi -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@dragon-dance.com> {NeXTMail|MIME|ASCII}
From: jaimie@firepile.demon.co.uk (Jaimie Vandenbergh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:24:31 GMT Message-ID: <347e3326.3045234@news.demon.co.uk> References: <01bcf6eb$55e43d60$LocalHost@scthomas> <657l7c$jul$1@news.usf.edu> <65c2ec$p1v@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <000034799AA6.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> <65drej$76c$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 25 Nov 1997 06:32:51 GMT, No-Spam-As-Spam-Is-Evil@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) wrote: >I switch computers too much to go to something as odd as dvorak, which is >clearly superior (since QWERTY was designed specifically to slow your typing >down). Ding! Legend alert! QWERTY was designed to speed typing up. The arrangement means that oft-struck letters have their typing hammers far enough away from each other not to snarl when typing fast. Dvorak does give improved typing speeds since it's designed to be fast for the human hand. Since we all use non-mechanical typewriters these days, that's okay. Though I've never seen a study of how a Dvorka layout affects hammer snarling, I must say. The fact that all the letters to the word "typewriter" are all on the one line, where salescritters can easily learn to type it, is another facet entirely. Jaimie It is better, of course, to know useless things than to know nothing. -- Lucius Annaeus Seneca, 'Epistles' (88,45)
From: No-Spam-As-Spam-Is-Evil@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard? Date: 26 Nov 1997 00:06:12 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <65fp5k$7bn$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <01bcf6eb$55e43d60$LocalHost@scthomas> <657l7c$jul$1@news.usf.edu> <65c2ec$p1v@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <000034799AA6.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> <65drej$76c$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <347e3326.3045234@news.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jaimie@firepile.demon.co.uk In <347e3326.3045234@news.demon.co.uk> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > On 25 Nov 1997 06:32:51 GMT, No-Spam-As-Spam-Is-Evil@all.please > (Timothy J. Luoma) wrote: > >I switch computers too much to go to something as odd as dvorak, which is > >clearly superior (since QWERTY was designed specifically to slow your typing > >down). > Ding! Legend alert! QWERTY was designed to speed typing up. The > arrangement means that oft-struck letters have their typing hammers > far enough away from each other not to snarl when typing fast. QWERTY's layout is less efficient (fewer words can be typed at the home row than with dvorak). Less efficient means slower, since you have to move your fingers more. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard? Date: 26 Nov 1997 03:01:02 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.97Nov25214722@slave.doubleu.com> References: <01bcf6eb$55e43d60$LocalHost@scthomas> <657l7c$jul$1@news.usf.edu> <65c2ec$p1v@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <000034799AA6.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> <65dhe5$o2o@crcnis3.unl.edu> <65drej$76c$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <347e3326.3045234@news.demon.co.uk> In-reply-to: jaimie@firepile.demon.co.uk's message of Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:24:31 GMT In article <347e3326.3045234@news.demon.co.uk>, jaimie@firepile.demon.co.uk (Jaimie Vandenbergh) writes: On 25 Nov 1997 06:32:51 GMT, No-Spam-As-Spam-Is-Evil@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) wrote: >I switch computers too much to go to something as odd as dvorak, >which is clearly superior (since QWERTY was designed specifically >to slow your typing down). Ding! Legend alert! QWERTY was designed to speed typing up. The arrangement means that oft-struck letters have their typing hammers far enough away from each other not to snarl when typing fast. Of course, that begs the question of why the layout on the keyboard has anything to do with the layout of the hammers. Put another way, the hammers are arranged in a curve, and the keyboard is four rows of many characters... Perhaps it's something in between, where a fast typist could snarl the hammers _regardless_ of the hammer layout, but with QWERTY even the fastest typist couldn't. So technically QWERTY would slow the typist- which resulted in faster overall typing speeds because the hammers didn't snarl. Later, -- scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Compleat Demystified Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [i] NEXTSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A Board written in Korean Date: 26 Nov 1997 19:27:17 GMT Organization: ppai News Message-ID: <65ht6l$777$1@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai http://bbs.para.co.kr/~ppai NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A & Info Board written in Korean. The Web site contains 5,200 articles about NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody. younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) ppai@bbs.para.co.kr (Large size NeXTMail OK) il OK)
From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [i] NEXTSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A Board written in Korean Date: 26 Nov 1997 19:42:15 GMT Organization: ppai News Message-ID: <65hu2n$7ar$1@usenet.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai http://bbs.para.co.kr/~ppai NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A & Info Board written in Korean. The Web site contains 5,200 articles about NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody. younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) ppai@bbs.para.co.kr (Large size NeXTMail OK)
From: howardk@iswest.com (Howard Knight) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <101197085319@cruises-for-you5.com> Date: 27 Nov 1997 01:10:04 GMT Control: cancel <101197085319@cruises-for-you5.com> Message-ID: <cancel.101197085319@cruises-for-you5.com> Sender: "CRUISES" cruises@cruises-for-you5.com Spam cancelled. Autocancel spam type: VACATION-PROMO
From: ons@primenet.com Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000,comp.software-eng,comp.sources.bugs,comp.sources.testers,comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I buy used computers Arizona Date: 26 Nov 1997 22:23:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <347D0328.70FBCBCF@primenet.com> References: <34761B57.9DEECDE4@netzone.com> <34762CC2.D5F6B637@primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Villarreal wrote: > Jeff Piurek wrote: > > > > I buy and sell used computers. If you have an old 486 or better laying > > around and want turn it into cash. Please E-mail me at > > jeff777@netzone.com > > > > Thanx Jeff > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > STANDARD USENET BONEHEAD REPLY FORM (version 78.7) > -------------------------------------------------- > > (check all boxes that apply) > > You took up more band width, with all the crap I just snipped, than he did.
From: Cosmo Roadkill Jr. <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <201197203819@hotels-for-you19.com> Control: cancel <201197203819@hotels-for-you19.com> Date: 27 Nov 1997 06:25:09 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.201197203819@hotels-for-you19.com> Sender: "HOTELS" hotels@hotels-for-you19.com Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: pemmerik@solair1.inter.NL.net (P.J.L.van Emmerik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: problems using Windows95 .rtf (from Word) on NEXT3.3 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 06:59:04 GMT Organization: NLnet Message-ID: <65j5mv$5ca$1@news.NL.net> References: <65hftk$7h2$1@news.NL.net> pemmerik@solair1.inter.NL.net (P.J.L.van Emmerik) wrote: >What i want is to move MS-Word documents to NEXT. >What i do: safe a MS-Word document as rtf, ftp it to a NEXT, >then double click the icon wich results in a window popping up >and immediately disapearing again. >Same result when the document is renamed to aaa.txt and >is opened by Edit.app. >Any suggestions? >Please Email to: emmerik@hpb.holec-projects.nl >P.J.L. van Emmerik Holec Projects B.V. >Email: emmerik@hpb.holec-projects.nl PO.BOX 565, 7550 AN Hengelo > pemmerik@solair1.inter.NL.net The Netherlands >Phone: +31 74 2558 688 >-- My own solution so far is the following sequence: 1) From MS-Word dafe the document as rtf 2) Copy it to a system with Windows-NT and OpenStep 3) Open it with OpenSteps textEdit app 4) Save it to another name (gets quite a bit smaller!) 5) Copy it to a NEXTSTEP 3.3 environment 6) Double click it (starts Edit.app) => works OK! Solutions from others: Try CedarWord from ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/demos/editors Try OpenWrite from http://www.peak.org/next/apps somewhere P.J.L. van Emmerik Holec Projects B.V. Email: emmerik@hpb.holec-projects.nl PO.BOX 565, 7550 AN Hengelo pemmerik@solair1.inter.NL.net The Netherlands Phone: +31 74 2558 688 --
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <65j5m6$shd$5373@news.flinet.com> Control: cancel <65j5m6$shd$5373@news.flinet.com> Date: 27 Nov 1997 06:49:31 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.65j5m6$shd$5373@news.flinet.com> Sender: Computer Addict<computeraddicts@hotmail.com> Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: "Rosvita Dolstra" <jtownsend@mistral.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Problems Installing 3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:39:40 -0000 Organization: Easimedia Consulting Ltd Message-ID: <6595ep$edv$1@news.mistral.co.uk> Hi, there, I can't find a setup group, so here goes... I'm trying to install Version 3.1 of NEXTSTEP, and am getting to following errors while booting from the install floppy: pcpointer probe - mouseinit failure (found floppy) SMC16 - not linked SMC16 - couldn't find class EtherExpress - not linked EtherExpress - couldn't find class No CD-ROM found use SD%d, hd%d, fd%d Any suggestions ? The CD-ROM is a TEAC CD-524E, and works fine under NT, 95 and Warp I dont have SCSI or Ethernet 64MB RAM Thanks for any help. (^_^)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Markus Gloede <no.spam@burrow.camelot.de> Subject: Re: Can a NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <7xlnygv4ea.fsf@burrow.camelot.de> Sender: tm@burrow.camelot.de (Markus Gloede) Organization: @heism (a non-prophet organization) References: <3473110C.70A1F819@bah.com> <347725ac.1067294@news.wco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:29:49 GMT >>>>> "MP" == Mike Paquette <mpaque.spa-am@nospam.wco.com> writes: [NeXT ADB mouse on a PowerMac] MP> Yup. The mouse works just fine on a Power Mac. (I'm using one MP> on the Mac next to me, along with the NeXT ADB keyboard.) I'm doing the same, works great. MP> The mouse is electrically identical to the two button ADB MP> mouse used on (some of) the Apple II GS machines. If there's MP> a CDEV for that mouse out there somewhere I'd give it a try. Now that's where my complaints begin. Although NeXT (formerly known as Apple ;-) in the latest public OS release claims to support a mouse's second button there's no such support. Anybody know a CDEV and where to get it? Markus Gloede P.S.: Since we're talking mice - anybody know how to completely disassemble a black ADB mouse? -- "no.spam@burrow.camelot.de" is a working address. When posting a followup, mailing a courtesy copy is appreciated, provided it is clearly marked as such.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Markus Gloede <no.spam@burrow.camelot.de> Subject: Re: Can a NeXT ADB mouse be used on a PowerMac? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <7x4t5364te.fsf@burrow.camelot.de> To: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Sender: tm@burrow.camelot.de (Markus Gloede) Organization: @heism (a non-prophet organization) References: <3473110C.70A1F819@bah.com> <347725ac.1067294@news.wco.com> <657mln$g81$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:52:13 GMT >>>>> "KL" == Ken Lui <klui@cup.hp.com> writes: KL> You can get the Kensington mouse software from their web page KL> and it'll recognize the 2nd mouse button. Sorry, there's only an updater for older versions. Markus Gloede -- "no.spam@burrow.camelot.de" is a working address. When posting a followup, mailing a courtesy copy is appreciated, provided it is clearly marked as such.
From: Chris Villarreal <purpled@Spam.this.primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000,comp.software-eng,comp.sources.bugs,comp.sources.testers,comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.demos,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.laptops,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I buy used computers Arizona Date: 27 Nov 1997 10:56:00 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <347DB3F5.B502665D@Spam.this.primenet.com> References: <34761B57.9DEECDE4@netzone.com> <34762CC2.D5F6B637@primenet.com> <347D0328.70FBCBCF@primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ons@primenet.com wrote: > > Chris Villarreal wrote: > > > Jeff Piurek wrote: > > > > > > I buy and sell used computers. If you have an old 486 or better laying > > > around and want turn it into cash. Please E-mail me at > > > jeff777@netzone.com > > > > > > Thanx Jeff > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > STANDARD USENET BONEHEAD REPLY FORM (version 78.7) > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > (check all boxes that apply) > > > > You took up more band width, with all the crap I just snipped, than he did. It had to be said. I don't think the issue is bandwidth, rather advertising in non-commercial newsgroups. -- ********************************************************************** Anti-Spam measures in place. Remove spam.this from my address to reply. Chris Villarreal
From: henningh*@magi.com (Henning Hoffmann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Disk space for Intel Rhapsody ? Message-ID: <nbnf.57$Xk6.570929@NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:16:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 18:16:35 EST How much disk space will a typical install of Rhapsody for Intel take? henning
From: arti@lava.DOTnet (Art Isbell - remove "DOT") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple Supports Only OpenStep Date: 28 Nov 1997 00:08:40 GMT Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <65l228$ouf@mochi.lava.net> References: <347459cc.1248332@news.gatech.edu> <652ici$tl6$1@news2.apple.com> <199711210343561452593@sdn-ts-001txhousp12.dialsprint.net> <6540f1$qe9$1@news.lth.se> <19971126114003243647@sdn-ts-004txhousp07.dialsprint.net> drifterusa@sprintmail.com (John Bauer) wrote: > Christian Brunschen wrote: > > > 'OPENSTEP Enterprise 4.2' is OpenStep + development tools on Windows > > NT... > > Then why didn't they call it OPENSTEP NTerprise? ;-) We wanted our NT product's name to have an "NT" prefix but were told by our copyright attorney that MS would fight it without prior permission from MS which would cost far more than we were willing to pay even if an agreement with MS were possible. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: arti@lavaDOTnet Trego Systems (for whom I don't speak) Voice/Fax: +1 808 394 0511 OPENSTEP/NT Voice Mail: +1 808 394 0495 managed care solutions US Mail: Honolulu, HI 96825-2638
From: dcmxknlq@funny.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: $$ Make Lots of Money In A Short Period of Time $$ Date: 28 Nov 1997 07:40:28 GMT Organization: InnerX Message-ID: <65lshc$66m@buck.innerx.net> MAKE A FORTUNE-AND THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH! IF YOU HAVE READ THIS FAR, YOU HAVE ALREADY PROVEN IT WORKS!! Would you be interested in making thousands of dollars quickly and legally using the World Wide Web? If your answer is YES, then take five minutes to read this article. It will change your life. You can make up to or more than $50,000 in 4-6 weeks, maybe sooner! I'M NOT JOKING AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A SCAM! THIS IS A SERVICE AND IS A 100% LEGAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY WHICH IS COVERED IN TITLE 18, SECTION 1302 AND 1342 OF THE POSTAL AND LOTTERY LAWS. The Internet has grown tremendously and it continues to double in size every 4 months. Think about it: You see all those "make.money.fast' posts more and more often. That's just simply because it works!! I was browsing around my newsgroups one morning and I stumbled across this article. Since I have this burning desire to make a lot of money and this headline caught my attention, I read it. As I was surfing the net, I read all these postings on how you can make over $50,000, even $800,000. Well I believe that if all goes well, and you follow the rules EXACTLY, it will work. Just follow the instructions given in this letter, and you to can make over $800,000, perfectly legally according to USA Post Office Laws (read on for specifics). Don't look at this as a money - making scam, but rather a true-to-life Example to test the above statement. It will only cost you $5 dollars plus 5 stamps, and a few hours of your time. Thus, there is some effort involved, because nothing in life is absolutely free. Are you ready and willing to accept that you deserve to receive a fair amount of money? If so, please continue reading. It said that you send $1.00 to each of the five names on the list. You then place your own name and address stated in the article at the bottom of the list at the #5 position and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups (there are literally thousands of them, and this doesn't take as much work as you think.) At first I thought, nobody's going to do this. And then I thought, what if they DO! Besides, what's five bucks anyway? That can't even buy a decent lunch. Well, it's still hard to believe…but two weeks later I began receiving bucks in the mail! I mean a lot of money!!! It not only works for me, but it works extremely well for others as well. Mike Ochoa says he made $35,382 in one month!! Joe Chanter made $42,000 in four weeks!!! Dave Manning made an incredible $53,664 in four short weeks! And Lars Myers says he only made $21,000 (ONLY??!!) That's the article. Now do I know all these people? No. But when I read how they did it, it started to make a lot of sense to me. As a matter of fact, it made enough sense that I'm now taking a similar chance with five measly dollars of my own. Not a huge investment that I can't afford to lose, but one with incredible potential to deliver money to my mailbox. Can you imagine making $20,000 or more for less than an hour's work? What are you making now? All you ever have to spend is five bucks and postage for the envelopes. That's all Mike, Dave, Joe and Lars did and look what happened to them: They made tens of thousands of dollars in a safe, legal and completely legitimate way. Let me show you how and why this works now. Also, make sure you print a copy of this article so you get the information from it and START MAKING MONEY NOW!!! Here goes: Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each sheet of the paper, "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a U.S. $1 bill inside each paper (wrap the bill with the paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope. Otherwise nosy people, who like to steal envelopes with money in them will see the bill and swipe your profits.) Put one paper inside an envelope and seal it. Do the same for all five. You should now have 5 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper and a U.S. dollar bill stuffed inside of the paper. You're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're actually paying for a legitimate service which is PERFECTLY LEGAL! Now, mail all 5 envelopes to the following addresses: 1. A. Curtin 24 Semton Blvd. Franklin Square, NY 11010 2. TEB 228 Wetzel Street Weirton,WV 26062 3. DAVID B. 228 Wetzel Street Weortpm. WV 26062 4. R.H. Box 320 Lamesa, Texas 79331 5. Travis Dominey 802 Briarwood St. Victoria, TX 77904 Step 2 Now remove the top name from the list that you see above and move the other names up (#5 becoming #4, #4 becoming #3, and so on) and put your name and address as the fifth on the list. Step 3 Post/send the amended article (with your name at #5 in the list) to at least 200 newsgroups. This is the REALLY IMPORTANT part, so don't try to shortcut it. I'll explain more about this under the WHY it works part. (You can also send by I.R.C. or e-mail). Post/send as many newsgroups as possible. REMEMBER THIS!!! The more groups you send/post to, the more people will see your article and send you cash. That's the real power of this business. You are now in business for yourself, and you should start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days!! HOW TO POST THIS ARTICLE: If you have Netscape 3.0 do EXACTLY the following: 1. Click on any newsgroups like normal, then click on "TO NEWS" which is on the far left when you're in the newsgroups page. This will bring up a box to type a message in. 2. Leave the newsgroup box like it is, just CHANGE the SUBJECT to something flashy, such as "NEED CASH $$$ READ HERE $$$" OR "FAST CASH"!! 3. Tab once and you should be ready to post. Cut and paste this article exactly as it appears, except insert your name at #5, and Remove #1 off the list, plus any other small changes that you might think you need to make. Keep most of it the same though. You don't want to change it too much—it's proven to work just as it is written! 4. When you're done typing the WHOLE article, click on FILE. IN THIS BOX, right above send, now where it says NETSCAPE NEWS on the first box, click and SAVE AS when you're under FILE. Save your article as a text file to your C or A drive. Do not send your article until you do this. Once saved, move on to number 5 below. 5. If you still have all of your text, send or post to this newsgroup now by clicking send, which is right below FILE, and right above cc: 6. Here's where you're going to post all 200. OK, click on any news group then click on "TO NEWS" again in the top left corner. Leave the newsgroups box alone again, put a flashy subject title in the SUBJECT BOX, hit TAB once you're in the body of the message, and then click on ATTACHMENTS. You will get another box to come up. Click on ATTACHED FILE, and then find your file that you have saved earlier; click once on the file, and then click OPEN. NOW CLICK ON. OK; if you did this right, you should be able to see your name in the attachments box and it will be shaded green. 7. That's it. Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 200 DIFFERENT newsgroups, you see? Now you only have 199 more left to go!! (Don't worry, each one takes about 30 seconds once you get used to it) REMEMBER THE MINIMUM IS 200. You are now in the mail order business and will start receiving your envelopes from various people all over the world within days. HINT: The more newsgroups you post to, the more money you will make. Incredibly simple, isn't it? LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!! Out of every 200 postings, let's say I only receive 5 replies, which is VERY LOW. So I made $5 with my name at #5. I've already made my money back! Now then, each person who just sent me $1 makes 200 postings, now with my name at #4, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 1000 POSTINGS, not including your own. Say 50 people send you $1 now, which again is a very low response rate; That's $50 you made! Now then, your 50 new agents post 200 listings each with YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3, or 10,000 postings (25 X 200). That's just how the system works at its worst case. However, the average return is 500 responses at $1 each. That's $500 in your pocket. Each of your new agents makes 200 postings, which is 5,000 returns at $1 each, which is $5,000. And finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings with YOUR NAME AT #1, YOU NOW GET A RETURN OF $50,000 BEFORE YOUR NAME DROPS OFF THE LIST, AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE MAKES 200 POSTINGS ONLY, AND WITH ONLY A 5 PERSON RESPONSE RATE!!!! When your name is no longer in the list, you just take the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, and send out another $1 to the five people on the list, putting your name at #5 again. And start posting again. The thing to realize is that thousands of people all over the world are joining the Internet and reading these articles everyday, just like you are right now!! So, can you afford $5 and see if it really works? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users everyday. REMEMBER: Work this fairly and honestly and it will work! The basic idea is for everyone to make money. Good luck to all who participate.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hans@onevision.de (Hans Stoeger) Subject: Re: problems using Windows95 .rtf (from Word) on NEXT3.3 Message-ID: <EKCLDy.H80@onevision.de> Sender: news@onevision.de Organization: OneVision Vertriebs-GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <65j5mv$5ca$1@news.NL.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:39:32 GMT In article <65j5mv$5ca$1@news.NL.net> pemmerik@solair1.inter.NL.net (P.J.L.van Emmerik) writes: > pemmerik@solair1.inter.NL.net (P.J.L.van Emmerik) wrote: > > >What i want is to move MS-Word documents to NEXT. > >What i do: safe a MS-Word document as rtf, ftp it to a NEXT, > >then double click the icon wich results in a window popping up > >and immediately disapearing again. > >Same result when the document is renamed to aaa.txt and > >is opened by Edit.app. > > >Any suggestions? > We had the same kind of problems. We found two things. First: This problems are often caused by graphis. Second: WordPad makes a good converter on the Windows side. Open the rtf file from Word and save it as a rtf again! ====================================================================== Hans Stoeger OneVision Vertriebs-GmbH Support Zeiss-Strasse 9 Email: hans@onevision.de D-93053 Regensburg No big mails, Please! Germany
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From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <347f5acc.0@news.futureone.com> Control: cancel <347f5acc.0@news.futureone.com> Date: 28 Nov 1997 23:57:20 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.347f5acc.0@news.futureone.com> Sender: alta2@usa.net Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
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From: cutts@daytona.cs.unc.edu (Matthew Cutts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! WriteNow to anything?? Date: 29 Nov 1997 07:05:42 GMT Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Message-ID: <65oes6$jg4$1@ashe.cs.unc.edu> I have a big problem. I have some files that I wrote on a NeXT in WriteNow. The files are saved as .wn files and I need some (any!) other format like .rtf so I can edit them in other programs. But I don't have access to any NeXT's at my new university! There's only about 10 of them, but the files are long and I dread trying to recreate them in another package. Does anyone know of a file converter from WriteNow to a different format? I'd rather find something free because this is a one-time thing, and I have access to PC's, Macs, or any type of UNIX I need. Any suggestions? thanks in advance for any help, Matt Cutts cutts@cs.unc.edu
From: No-Spam-As-Spam-Is-Evil@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next hardware repair NY area or US? Date: 26 Nov 1997 00:07:55 GMT Organization: none Distribution: US Message-ID: <65fp8r$7bn$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <65f5r5$4d9$1@agate.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu Spherical Solutions (CA) and Deepspace Technologies (Maryland?) are the only ones I know of who I'd send my NeXT to.... probably cheaper to buy a new one though :-) www.orb.com / www.deepspacetech.com TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: thrall@serv.net (Dean Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Install OPENSTEP for NT on a laptop? Date: 29 Nov 1997 23:43:47 GMT Organization: Not Sure Yet Message-ID: <65q9bj$ed$1@dns2.serv.net> References: <65acc1$l61$1@dns2.serv.net> <34808A68.3FBF@himolde.no> In-Reply-To: <34808A68.3FBF@himolde.no> On 11/29/97, Kaare Digernes wrote: >Dean Johnson wrote: > >> Anyway, what I am thinking about is installin NT onto a laptop and >> then getting OPENSTEP NT installed. >> >> Has anyone done this? Will OPENSTEP run on any machine that has NT >> running on it? Or does it have it's own requirements on top? > >Yes, OPENSTEP definitely runs on NT. I'm running OPENSTEP Enterprise 4.2 >on NT Workstation 4.0, as I write. :-) > >> It seems like a more cost effective way to get OPENSTEP onto a laptop >> since the ones that will run Mach are pretty expensive, but to run NT >> are getting pretty cheap. > >Uhm, Mach runs on Intel hardware, too. I don't get it? Are you comparing >Apples (Powerbooks) and Oranges (Intel)? > No, to get OPENSTEP/Mach running on a laptop is a difficult and expensive option (lack of drivers for anything except really high end laptops). I can get a laptop that supports NT and then install OPENSTEP NT on it for a lot less. I will be doing this on an IBM Thinkpad (100% support for NT) over Christmas break. I'll let people know how it goes. Dean Johnson
From: cutts@capefear.cs.unc.edu (Matthew Cutts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! WriteNow to anything?? Date: 30 Nov 1997 01:50:36 GMT Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Message-ID: <65qgpc$2si$1@ashe.cs.unc.edu> References: <65oes6$jg4$1@ashe.cs.unc.edu> Just to follow myself up, thanks to all the people who told me about the wn2rtf tool in the WriteNow.app directory. I was able to telnet in to a NeXT and convert my files from the command-line. And I really appreciate the people who offered to do it themselves. NeXT people are even friendlier and more helpful than the Linux crowd ;) Matt, who is extremely happy to regain his old thesis in readable format -- If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. - John Kenneth Galbraith
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <8981880261224@digifix.com> Date: 30 Nov 1997 04:59:51 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <12245880866021@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
These are the contents of the former NiCE NeXT User Group NeXTSTEP/OpenStep software archive, currently hosted by Marcel Waldvogel and Netfuture.ch.