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From: Mark Lasersohn <laser@cowhouse.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: installation problem Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:27:04 -0500 Organization: Cow House Productions Message-ID: <33411B38.41C6@cowhouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have NS 3.2 and during installation my p133 hangs right after the message "Registering PCKeyboard0". Can anyone help, please? -- Mark Lasersohn Cow House Productions laser@cowhouse.com http://www.cowhouse.com 330-569-7492
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Another Screen Shot Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:49:55 -0500 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <3341BB43.5D02@arch.buffalo.edu> References: <333DBC28.6BC3@arch.buffalo.edu> <333E0F78.7172@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi To: eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Eric A. Dubiel wrote: > Cool! Please post more! Sure thing :-) I now have a series of images showing how drag and drop works between OPENSTEP applications (e.g. Create.app) and Windows NT applications (e.g. Photoshop) point your browsers at: http://aquarius.arch.buffalo.edu/openstep.html -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: Kent Davis <kdavis@apk.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: installation problem Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 02:14:12 -0500 Organization: APK Net, Ltd. Message-ID: <33420744.480@apk.net> References: <33411B38.41C6@cowhouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mark Lasersohn <laser@cowhouse.com> Mark Lasersohn wrote: I have NS 3.2 and during installation my p133 hangs right after the message "Registering PCKeyboard0". Can anyone help, please? -- Mark Lasersohn Cow House Productions laser@cowhouse.com http://www.cowhouse.com 330-569-7492 Upgrade to 3.3 or higher, 3.2 can not handle pci bus or plug and play bios and lot of other newer things on PC's. I did have 3.2 working on a P200/pro but it was not worth it.
From: quinonez@ucla.edu (G. Quinonez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep for NT question? Date: 2 Apr 1997 23:23:56 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> Helloeveryone. I was interested in Openstep for NT. Does that simply mean that I can run any openstep app on NT? Can I use the mail.app under NT, etc? Thanks Please send comments/answers directly to quinonez@ucla.edu -- _____________________________________________ G. Quinonez, MD <quinonez@ucla.edu> NeXTStep 3.3/Windoze NT 4.0 NeXTMail/SunMail Welcome http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for NT question? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:45:07 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "G. Quinonez" <quinonez@ucla.edu> In-Reply-To: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> > > Helloeveryone. I was interested in Openstep for NT. Does that simply mean > that I can run any openstep app on NT? Can I use the mail.app under NT, etc? Yes -- any app which is a true OpenStep App (ie not just a NeXTStep app running under OpenStep/Mach) can be compiled to run on OpenStep/NT. You can use the NT apps alongside the OS ones. In fact Wassim Jabi <wjabi@arch.Buffalo.EDU> has some screen shots of OS/NT at http://aquarius.arch.buffalo.edu/openstep.html TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "Give a man a piece of working code and you solve his problem. Teach a man to write code and you give him a lifetime of new problems" -- me
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Message-ID: <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:44:34 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom14.netcom.com >In article <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu>, > "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> writes: > Other people have said that the 2GB limit should not be an issue > over NFS but I think, from empirical results, that this is not the > case. I doubt that is was pure coincidence that the NeXT stopped > reporting NO SPACE at the same instant that the free space on the > linux drive fell below 2GB. Maybe this restriction was fixed in a > later version of NS than what I am using (I'm still on NS 3.0). Just a data. Workspace properly recognizes large devices (eg. 16GB RAID) which are NFS mounted in NS3.3 and OS4.1. I'd say it a "feature" in NS3.0. :-( -Chris -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with serial port and PPP Date: 2 Apr 1997 14:12:09 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5htpfp$d86@hagen.amg.de> Hi NextFolks, I've got another problem with OPENSTEP/INTEL: When I boot up my machine with -v OPENSTEP tells me, that the ISASerialPortDriver is installed for COM1 and for COM2. But when I want to use tip to get on /dev/cub or /dev/cua (the same with cufa, cufb) I get the message /dev/cux (where x is a, b, fa, fb): no such device. What am I doing wrong ? Thanks Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where has Optimal Object gone? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:34:21 -0500 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg49991.thr-d3d43381.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <1997Apr2.152455@umiami> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg49991.thr-d3d43381.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> <bold>therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu,UseNet writes:</bold> >Is Optimal Object, Inc. gone? I called their 800 >and toll numbers to see if we could buy some more >Pentium OpenStep workstations and software from >them. >So, if they are gone, who is handling software >now .. NeXT or Lighthouse software, for example? You can call NeXT directly about software.(academic prices remain if that's an issue). >Is their any current hardware specialist? There are several: http://www.blackholeinc.com/ http://www.bifrostworks.com/MainFrame.html¿ http://www.deepspacetech.com/¿ http://www.ibgi.com/nextsale.htm¿ http://www.orb.com/¿ -- David Herren -------------------------------------------------- Web: http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ General: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu NeXTMail only: herren@barcelona.middlebury.edu
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problem with serial port and PPP Date: 2 Apr 1997 18:36:30 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5hu8vf$l1r@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5htpfp$d86@hagen.amg.de> In article <5htpfp$d86@hagen.amg.de> m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) writes: > Hi NextFolks, > > I've got another problem with OPENSTEP/INTEL: You've installed the PortServer driver, right? (-; -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for NT question? Date: 3 Apr 1997 14:52:39 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5i0g7n$3kn@news-central.tiac.net> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> On 04/02/97, Timothy Luoma wrote: > >> >> Helloeveryone. I was interested in Openstep for NT. Does that simply mean >> that I can run any openstep app on NT? Can I use the mail.app under NT, etc? > >Yes -- any app which is a true OpenStep App (ie not just a NeXTStep app >running under OpenStep/Mach) can be compiled to run on OpenStep/NT. Well, after almost 9 months of OpenStep NT development experience I tend to disagree. Yes, you're right that *true* OpenStep app could be compiled for NT (with minor GUI modifications), but even with OpenStep in any non-trivial app you'll still end up with #ifdef's, so... Needless to say that it's almost impossible to make OpenStep NT apps good Windows sitizens Aleksey
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Thomas J. Herbert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where has Optimal Object gone? Date: 2 Apr 97 15:24:55 EST Organization: Univ of Miami IR Message-ID: <1997Apr2.152455@umiami> Is Optimal Object, Inc. gone? I called their 800 and toll numbers to see if we could buy some more Pentium OpenStep workstations and software from them. So, if they are gone, who is handling software now .. NeXT or Lighthouse software, for example? Is their any current hardware specialist? Tom Herbert University of Miami therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu
From: spammers@ruin.the.internet Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Date: 3 Apr 1997 19:23:25 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -Auth- @ascended.channelu.com Message-ID: <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> Cc: cdouty@netcom.com In <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> Chris Douty wrote: > >In article <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu>, > > "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@wam.umd.edu> writes: > > Other people have said that the 2GB limit should not be an issue > > over NFS but I think, from empirical results, that this is not the > > case. I doubt that is was pure coincidence that the NeXT stopped > > reporting NO SPACE at the same instant that the free space on the > > linux drive fell below 2GB. Maybe this restriction was fixed in a > > later version of NS than what I am using (I'm still on NS 3.0). > > Just a data. Workspace properly recognizes large devices (eg. > 16GB RAID) which are NFS mounted in NS3.3 and OS4.1. I'd say it a > "feature" in NS3.0. :-( > Same here with 3.2 & 3.3. My black box properly mounted and recognized a 9G xfs partition on a SGI exported to it. (Got the size right and everything). Now if I could figure out a more clever way to export removable media to other machines on the network that'd be a bonus. BTW: Support for DOS removable MO media on black hardware is just plain Broken. Randy rencsok at channelu dot com OR at argus dot cem dot msu dot edu -- Randy Rencsok General UNIX, NeXTStep, IRIX Admining, Turbo Software Consulting, Programming, etc.) Note: My reply to header is invalid because parsing spammers are abusing any use of dead@eatthis.spammers.channelu.com type labels in public posts. First it was the easy Reply-To: fields we all know & love. Now it's text itself. I'd love to see a parser that can discern the intended meaning of the word at and the name rencsok (etc) and equate it to channelu dot com to reconstruct my address.. :} But then a parser still has a lot of header fields to play with :(
From: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kai S. Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Another Screen Shot Date: 2 Apr 1997 19:26:16 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <5hubso$lhs@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <333DBC28.6BC3@arch.buffalo.edu> <333E0F78.7172@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <3341BB43.5D02@arch.buffalo.edu> hello, Where is the site for IconDock running on NT? thanks! kai -- Software Engineer email: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca url: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~kwong/ PGP fingerprint <1B 67 F5 6C C4 44 4F 87 52 F7 61 C7 8E D0 36 40> finger kwong@plato.ucs.mun.ca to get PGP public key.
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail.app on NT sighting Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:33:29 -0500 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <33443039.6675@arch.buffalo.edu> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi G. Quinonez wrote: > > Helloeveryone. I was interested in Openstep for NT. Does that simply mean > that I can run any openstep app on NT? Can I use the mail.app under NT, etc? > > Thanks > Please send comments/answers directly to quinonez@ucla.edu > > -- > _____________________________________________ > G. Quinonez, MD <quinonez@ucla.edu> > NeXTStep 3.3/Windoze NT 4.0 > NeXTMail/SunMail Welcome > http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/ You know... I just discovered that on NeXT's site they have a screen shot of WebObjects Builder that shows NeXT's Mail.app icon on the desktop... I wonder why they don't have it included with OPENSTEP ENTERPRISE/NT take a look: http://www.next.com:80/AboutNeXT/PressKit/ScreenShots.htmld/wob-screenshot.gif -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Thomas J. Herbert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where has Optimal Object gone? Date: 2 Apr 97 17:41:14 EST Organization: Univ of Miami IR Message-ID: <1997Apr2.174114@umiami> References: <1997Apr2.152455@umiami> In article <1997Apr2.152455@umiami>, therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Thomas J. Herbert) writes: > Is Optimal Object, Inc. gone? I called their 800 > and toll numbers to see if we could buy some more > Pentium OpenStep workstations and software from > them. > > So, if they are gone, who is handling software > now .. NeXT or Lighthouse software, for example? > > Is their any current hardware specialist? > > Tom Herbert > University of Miami > I called NeXT .. Optimal Object closed its doors a few days ago ... They suggest contacting univ. bookstores for academic bundles. The rep. I talked to says that Apple will take over distribution of software soon. No word on someone to take over Optimal Object's role as a hardware and software distributor but Apple/NeXT rep. said someone is interested. Tom
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Thomas J. Herbert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Unix talk not working under 4.0 Date: 2 Apr 97 17:36:53 EST Organization: Univ of Miami IR Message-ID: <1997Apr2.173653@umiami> Once more I will ask a question which I have not yet been able to answer: On my OpenStep 4.0 system, everything works great (that I can tell) except that I have never been able to get Unix talk to work. Moreover, the talk from 3.2 doesn't work either. (Maybe the one supplied with 4.0 is really the 3.2 or 3.3 binary>) I get the following message when I try to talk: [Couldn't bind to control socket : Can't assign requested address (49)] I tried the old ytalk but it gave a similar message. And, an attempt to compile ytalk under 4.0 gave error messages .. probably my lack of knowledge on where the correct libraries are. Any ideas? Is this a bug or incompatibility in using the old talk binary on 4.0 or did something else happen. (I had a problem early on when I tried to use TeXMenu .. but I can't find any lock files or anything.) Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'd really like to be talk-ing .. Its been some months now and no solution is in sight. Tom Herbert University of Miami therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mail.app on NT sighting Date: 4 Apr 1997 03:36:19 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5i1svj$p63@news-central.tiac.net> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> <33443039.6675@arch.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <33443039.6675@arch.buffalo.edu> >You know... I just discovered that on NeXT's site they >have a screen shot of WebObjects Builder that shows >NeXT's Mail.app icon on the desktop... I wonder why >they don't have it included with OPENSTEP ENTERPRISE/NT >take a look: >http://www.next.com:80/AboutNeXT/PressKit/ScreenShots.htmld/wob-scree nshot.gif Well, one of screen shots at http://www.next.com actually had new Mail.app window back to OpenStep 4.0 PR1 time, but it look completely different from what is available for Mach (very simple). Anybody else saw that or was I dreaming again? Aleksey
From: steffi@dgs.dgsys.com (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Another Screen Shot Date: 2 Apr 1997 13:32:04 -0500 Organization: Digital Gateway Systems Message-ID: <5hu8n4$j90@DGS.dgsys.com> References: <333DBC28.6BC3@arch.buffalo.edu> <333E0F78.7172@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Yeh but I really hate the way Icon dock has to have the icon for each app configured separately. That bites.
From: richardfeinberg@usa.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:08:18 Message-ID: <cancel.5hui8o$n5f@usenet85.supernews.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <5hui8o$n5f@usenet85.supernews.com> Control: cancel <5hui8o$n5f@usenet85.supernews.com> Organization: Usenet Canal Historique ECP/EMP aka SPAM or pyramidal scheme (MMF) cancelled by bofh@keltia.freenix.fr It may also be an image too small for newsbot to be activated. See report in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Date: Thu Apr 3 01:07:46 1997 Original subject was: FIREARMS SALE
From: Sasha Mitchell <sasha@netnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Petro Tyschtschenko, Jean-Louis Gassee, Phase5 & AntiGravity!!! Date: 04 Apr 1997 03:29:18 -0600 Organization: Toro Message-ID: <5i2hpp$int$1@newserve.gulftel.com> References: groups/p.sys.amiga.advocacy/67009.head <5i2gt8$i3v$2@newserve.gulftel.com> On 04 Apr 1997 03:14:07 Sasha Mitchell wrote about "Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Jean-Louis Gassee, Petro Tyschtschenko, & AntiGravity!!": > > Here are the latest comments on the Amiga purchase by Gateway. Comments are from > Jean-Louis Gassee, Petro Tyschtschenko of Amiga International, and AntiGravity! > > Be Newsletter, Issue 67 > > [http://mirsky.com/wow/] > > Be Newsletter > > Issue 67, April 2, 1997 > > > Temptations > > By Jean-Louis Gassee > > Writing a column on April Fool's Day brings many tempting topics to mind. But a > fake press release, with a carefully selected choice of buzzwords and > content-free sentences trumpeting Be's licensing of OpenDoc, would be poor > timing after all. It's one thing to have fun at the expense of the powerful, > it's another to satirize people when they're in trouble. And we find several > recent decisions at Apple, such as dropping OpenDoc, rather encouraging. OpenDoc > had ambitious goals, but the size of the implementation, its timing, and the > arrival of Java made it a problematic proposition even before the purchase of > NeXT. > > Still on the April Fool's topic, Gateway 2000 just announced their acquisition > of the assets of Amiga Technologies, the German company that had acquired rights > to the Amiga from Commodore after the company went under. I learned this from > one of our engineers, an early Amiga fan, who e-mailed me a copy of a Reuters > dispatch. Seeing the date, knowing he's prone to pranks, remembering his > association with the Amiga, I thought he had crafted the whole story and > proceeded to congratulate him on yet another bit of creative writing. At first, > I didn't believe his protests, he was laughing too hard while explaining he was > too busy working on DR9. He pointed me to Gateway's Web site, and I stopped > suspecting a prank when I saw the March 27 date on the Gateway announcement. My > guess is that Gateway is looking for multimedia expansions to their product > line. They've been shipping the large-screen PC TV for a while, and Amiga used > to be the multimedia innovator in the PC business before Commodore and Escom > (the German company that owned Amiga Technologies) got in trouble, taking the > Amiga with them.Amiga technologies might have had some exciting technology under > development. We'll see. It's good to know a company such as Gateway is > interested in the Amiga world. > > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > > Anti Gravity Products Responds to Amiga Acquisition > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > Santa Monica, Ca., March 31, 1997 -- Anti Gravity Products President, Dan Lutz, > has issued the following statement in reaction to the news that Gateway 2000 has > purchased the Amiga Technologies. > > "I'ts great news that the Amiga has been purchased by an American company with > such prestige in the computer industry. Gateways marketing savvy and successful > promotion of its products is a refreshing change from the Commodore Dominon of > old. Amiga owners have long know the value of the muti-tasking Amiga OS and > custom chipset. Plug & Play was not even a term on the Amiga, it always existed. > Multi-tasking which everyone strives for on the PC and a lack of it is killing > the Mac, has been there from the beginning with the Amiga OS. The Amiga gave > birth to the Desktop Video revolution, the 3D animation revolution, the all > encompassing Multi-Media revolution and last but not least the Virtual Reality > revolution. Which such potential for creating new industries Amiga Technology > has a bright future to provide Gateway 2000 with intellectual property that will > guarantee their dominace in some of the upcoming technologies such as Internet > set-top boxes, Internet Multi-Media Kiosk systems etc. We have noticed a surge > in business ever since this announcement. That is why this press release which > was started on March 27th is only now finished. Anti Gravity Labs currently has > many Amiga products in development that will be released now that the Amiga > buyout standstill is over. The Pentitrator Pro should ship in mid 1997. This > card for the Amiga uses the Intel Pentium Pro processor clocked at 200Mhz, the > user will also have the option to add PCI slots.Anti Gravity Products produces > and distributes a line of Amiga hardware & software products, including the > Pentitrator card, Pixel 3D 2.1, Siamese system, Solar System Kit, Snap Maps, > Imagevision. Web site: http://www.antigravity.com > > Anti Gravity Products > > 1649 16th Street > > Santa Monica, Ca 90404 > > USA > > http://www.antigravity.com > > antigrav@ix.netcom.com > > phone (orders only) 1-800-7-GRAVITY > > fax +1-310-576-6383 > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > his interview has been done at the 1st of April at 2:30pm by Juergen Schmitz fuer > die Trierer Campuszeitung Neue Universal anlaesslich for the > University/Technical Highschool Newspaper "Neue Universal" in order to cover the > Magic Amiga Days Trier (MTT97) which take place at the April 19/20 in the > C-Building of the University-Trier.There will be an additional report regarding > the MTT97 in the newspaper, which is released at April 14th.Remember: This > interview is contains just a preview-part of the newspaper.Changes are > prohibited. > > The interview is available from http://www.fh-trier.de/~schmitju/amt.html where > you can find more information-links regarding the MTT97.The english header-version > is shortened a little bit anyway.Sorry about possible translation mistakes. Anyway the text > should be readable for anybody. It's not an april-joke. The translation took > place at 04/02/97 7pm! ...cut...We spoke to Petro Tyschtschenko who appears > maybe at the MTT97 about the amiga-future: > > NU: Would you appear at the Magic Amiga Days Trier? PT: I did not receive an official invitation yet. But the 19th > and 20th of April is OK for me and i will make it possible to join the show and > give an official statement there.NU: How are things going on with the Amiga? PT: > The Amiga has a good future for sure. Gateway2000 is a wonderful and > professional mother-company with a very good market reputation. > > NU: What about the future of the german Amiga-distribution system? PT: The existing > distribution-channels will remain as they are. The Gateway2000 distribtion- > structure is completely independent from Amiga. > > NU: What do you think was the real reason for Gateway2000 buying Amiga Technologies? PT: Just think about our > operating system. It's the best of the whole world! Our technology, which is a > little bit covered with dust (interviewers comment: Mr Tyschtschenko means the > bankruptcy related OS-developing problems) isn't that bad if you remove the dust > and develop it to a new level.NU: Ah, Gateway2000 seems to be interested in > further developments of the Amiga-OS and isn't just interested in patent rights? > PT: I believe so. Yes! > > NU: Thanks for the interview and good luck with your new company. > > Jürgen Schmitz, NU97 schmitju@fh-trier.de > http://www.fh-trier.de/~schmitju > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > phase 5 News A statement about Gateway 2000 as the new owner of Amiga Technologies Oberursel, April 3, 1997: phase 5 digital products, a leading vendor of CPU Acceleration and Graphic Expansion products for Amiga computers, today welcomes Gateway 2000 as the new owner of Amiga Technologies. "We appreciate the fact that with Gateway 2000 a new owner is going to take over Amiga Technologies, who can provide a strong base for a future development of the Amiga and the Amiga market" says Wolf Dietrich, General Manager of phase 5."We hope that Gateway 2000 will be interested in the future of the Amiga itself as an alternative computer system. With their economical strength and market position, Gateway 2000 can start the creation of new products with a vision for the future, not being limited by short-term economical constraints. Insofar, we believe that there are big chances for the Amiga future if Gateway 2000 understands the heart and soul of the Amiga and it's users." With it's leading position in development and integration of next generation, PowerPC-based processor cards into existing Amiga systems phase 5 digital products since end of 1995 has undertaken pioneering steps, the results of which the company is ready to share with Gateway 2000 and Amiga International. "Once again, we are open for a technological cooperation which could result in nearly immediate availability of powerful and inexpensive new technology for the Amiga" comments Wolf Dietrich. "A year ago, we had already started such a cooperation, before Amiga Technologies cancelled all development on their side. We have continued with the project that we had initiated, and today we are just weeks ago from the release of a new, sensational product generation. We will contact Amiga International in the near future, to discuss the opportunities for technological exchange, and if it is wanted, we are ready for an extensive cooperation both on the hardware and the software sector." phase 5 digital products is a technologically leading vendor of CPU Acceleration and Graphic Expansion products for the Amiga computers. Since end of 1995, the company has sold some 60,000 add-on products in a value of some DM 25 million to Amiga users all over the world. With it's continuing development efforts phase 5 digital products is pioneering innovative projects such as the PowerPC-based PowerUp Processor Cards for Amiga systems (see the Cyberstorm PPC and the Blizzard 603e Power Board press release) and the development of the custom-chip based A\BOX Computer System, which is following the Amiga vision on a technological level that is prepared for the next decade. < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... >
From: Sasha Mitchell <sasha@netnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc Subject: Re: Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Petro Tyschtschenko, Jean-Louis Gassee, Phase5 & AntiGravity!!! Date: 04 Apr 1997 03:36:29 -0600 Organization: Toro Message-ID: <5i2i77$j33$1@newserve.gulftel.com> References: groups/comp.sys.mac.misc/78158.head <5i2hpp$int$1@newserve.gulftel.com> On 04 Apr 1997 03:29:18 Sasha Mitchell wrote about "Re: Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Petro Tyschtschenko, Jean-Louis Gassee, Phase5 & AntiGravity!!": > > > On 04 Apr 1997 03:14:07 Sasha Mitchell wrote about "Comments on the Gateway Amiga Purchase by Jean-Louis Gassee, Petro Tyschtschenko, >Phase5 & AntiGravity!!": > > > > > Here are the latest comments on the Amiga purchase by Gateway. Comments are from > > Jean-Louis Gassee, Petro Tyschtschenko of Amiga International, Phase5 and AntiGravity! > > > > Be Newsletter, Issue 67 > > > > [http://mirsky.com/wow/] > > > > Be Newsletter > > > > Issue 67, April 2, 1997 > > > > > > Temptations > > > > By Jean-Louis Gassee > > > > Writing a column on April Fool's Day brings many tempting topics to mind. But a > > fake press release, with a carefully selected choice of buzzwords and > > content-free sentences trumpeting Be's licensing of OpenDoc, would be poor > > timing after all. It's one thing to have fun at the expense of the powerful, > > it's another to satirize people when they're in trouble. And we find several > > recent decisions at Apple, such as dropping OpenDoc, rather encouraging. OpenDoc > > had ambitious goals, but the size of the implementation, its timing, and the > > arrival of Java made it a problematic proposition even before the purchase of > > NeXT. > > > > Still on the April Fool's topic, Gateway 2000 just announced their acquisition > > of the assets of Amiga Technologies, the German company that had acquired rights > > to the Amiga from Commodore after the company went under. I learned this from > > one of our engineers, an early Amiga fan, who e-mailed me a copy of a Reuters > > dispatch. Seeing the date, knowing he's prone to pranks, remembering his > > association with the Amiga, I thought he had crafted the whole story and > > proceeded to congratulate him on yet another bit of creative writing. At first, > > I didn't believe his protests, he was laughing too hard while explaining he was > > too busy working on DR9. He pointed me to Gateway's Web site, and I stopped > > suspecting a prank when I saw the March 27 date on the Gateway announcement. My > > guess is that Gateway is looking for multimedia expansions to their product > > line. They've been shipping the large-screen PC TV for a while, and Amiga used > > to be the multimedia innovator in the PC business before Commodore and Escom > > (the German company that owned Amiga Technologies) got in trouble, taking the > > Amiga with them.Amiga technologies might have had some exciting technology under > > development. We'll see. It's good to know a company such as Gateway is > > interested in the Amiga world. > > > > > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > > > > > Anti Gravity Products Responds to Amiga Acquisition > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > Santa Monica, Ca., March 31, 1997 -- Anti Gravity Products President, Dan Lutz, > > has issued the following statement in reaction to the news that Gateway 2000 has > > purchased the Amiga Technologies. > > > > "I'ts great news that the Amiga has been purchased by an American company with > > such prestige in the computer industry. Gateways marketing savvy and successful > > promotion of its products is a refreshing change from the Commodore Dominon of > > old. Amiga owners have long know the value of the muti-tasking Amiga OS and > > custom chipset. Plug & Play was not even a term on the Amiga, it always existed. > > Multi-tasking which everyone strives for on the PC and a lack of it is killing > > the Mac, has been there from the beginning with the Amiga OS. The Amiga gave > > birth to the Desktop Video revolution, the 3D animation revolution, the all > > encompassing Multi-Media revolution and last but not least the Virtual Reality > > revolution. Which such potential for creating new industries Amiga Technology > > has a bright future to provide Gateway 2000 with intellectual property that will > > guarantee their dominace in some of the upcoming technologies such as Internet > > set-top boxes, Internet Multi-Media Kiosk systems etc. We have noticed a surge > > in business ever since this announcement. That is why this press release which > > was started on March 27th is only now finished. Anti Gravity Labs currently has > > many Amiga products in development that will be released now that the Amiga > > buyout standstill is over. The Pentitrator Pro should ship in mid 1997. This > > card for the Amiga uses the Intel Pentium Pro processor clocked at 200Mhz, the > > user will also have the option to add PCI slots.Anti Gravity Products produces > > and distributes a line of Amiga hardware & software products, including the > > Pentitrator card, Pixel 3D 2.1, Siamese system, Solar System Kit, Snap Maps, > > Imagevision. Web site: http://www.antigravity.com > > > > Anti Gravity Products > > > > 1649 16th Street > > > > Santa Monica, Ca 90404 > > > > USA > > > > http://www.antigravity.com > > > > antigrav@ix.netcom.com > > > > phone (orders only) 1-800-7-GRAVITY > > > > fax +1-310-576-6383 > > > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > > > his interview has been done at the 1st of April at 2:30pm by Juergen Schmitz fuer > > die Trierer Campuszeitung Neue Universal anlaesslich for the > > University/Technical Highschool Newspaper "Neue Universal" in order to cover the > > Magic Amiga Days Trier (MTT97) which take place at the April 19/20 in the > > C-Building of the University-Trier.There will be an additional report regarding > > the MTT97 in the newspaper, which is released at April 14th.Remember: This > > interview is contains just a preview-part of the newspaper.Changes are > > prohibited. > > > > The interview is available from http://www.fh-trier.de/~schmitju/amt.html where > > you can find more information-links regarding the MTT97.The english header-version > > is shortened a little bit anyway.Sorry about possible translation mistakes. Anyway the text > > should be readable for anybody. It's not an april-joke. The translation took > > place at 04/02/97 7pm! ...cut...We spoke to Petro Tyschtschenko who appears > > maybe at the MTT97 about the amiga-future: > > > > NU: Would you appear at the Magic Amiga Days Trier? PT: I did not receive an official invitation yet. But the 19th > > and 20th of April is OK for me and i will make it possible to join the show and > > give an official statement there.NU: How are things going on with the Amiga? PT: > > The Amiga has a good future for sure. Gateway2000 is a wonderful and > > professional mother-company with a very good market reputation. > > > > NU: What about the future of the german Amiga-distribution system? PT: The existing > > distribution-channels will remain as they are. The Gateway2000 distribtion- > > structure is completely independent from Amiga. > > > > NU: What do you think was the real reason for Gateway2000 buying Amiga Technologies? PT: Just think about our > > operating system. It's the best of the whole world! Our technology, which is a > > little bit covered with dust (interviewers comment: Mr Tyschtschenko means the > > bankruptcy related OS-developing problems) isn't that bad if you remove the dust > > and develop it to a new level.NU: Ah, Gateway2000 seems to be interested in > > further developments of the Amiga-OS and isn't just interested in patent rights? > > PT: I believe so. Yes! > > > > NU: Thanks for the interview and good luck with your new company. > > > > Jürgen Schmitz, NU97 schmitju@fh-trier.de > > http://www.fh-trier.de/~schmitju > > > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... > > > > phase 5 News > > A statement about Gateway 2000 as the new owner > of Amiga Technologies > > Oberursel, April 3, 1997: phase 5 digital products, a leading vendor of CPU > Acceleration and Graphic Expansion products for Amiga computers, today welcomes > Gateway 2000 as the new owner of Amiga Technologies. > > "We appreciate the fact that with Gateway 2000 a new owner is going to take > over Amiga Technologies, who can provide a strong base for a future development > of the Amiga and the Amiga market" says Wolf Dietrich, General Manager of phase > 5."We hope that Gateway 2000 will be interested in the future of the Amiga > itself as an alternative computer system. With their economical strength and > market position, Gateway 2000 can start the creation of new products with a > vision for the future, not being limited by short-term economical constraints. > Insofar, we believe that there are big chances for the Amiga future if Gateway > 2000 understands the heart and soul of the Amiga and it's users." > > With it's leading position in development and integration of next generation, > PowerPC-based processor cards into existing Amiga systems phase 5 digital > products since end of 1995 has undertaken pioneering steps, the results of which > the company is ready to share with Gateway 2000 and Amiga International. "Once > again, we are open for a technological cooperation which could result in nearly > immediate availability of powerful and inexpensive new technology for the Amiga" > comments Wolf Dietrich. "A year ago, we had already started such a cooperation, > before Amiga Technologies cancelled all development on their side. We have > continued with the project that we had initiated, and today we are just weeks > ago from the release of a new, sensational product generation. We will contact > Amiga International in the near future, to discuss the opportunities for > technological exchange, and if it is wanted, we are ready for an extensive > cooperation both on the hardware and the software sector." > > phase 5 digital products is a technologically leading vendor of CPU > Acceleration and Graphic Expansion products for the Amiga computers. Since end > of 1995, the company has sold some 60,000 add-on products in a value of some DM > 25 million to Amiga users all over the world. With it's continuing development > efforts phase 5 digital products is pioneering innovative projects such as the > PowerPC-based PowerUp Processor Cards for Amiga systems (see the Cyberstorm PPC > and the Blizzard 603e Power Board press release) and the development of the > custom-chip based A\BOX Computer System, which is following the Amiga vision on > a technological level that is prepared for the next decade. > > < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... >
From: Jesus Izquierdo <krop@mad.servicom.es> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 100Mbps network Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 15:16:55 +0100 Organization: KROP Audiovisual Systems Message-ID: <334118D7.4770@mad.servicom.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somebody has any experience in setting up a 100Mbps network with Next? We have installed one but it doesn't perform as expected, just similar to a 10Mbps network. I would appreciate help on that. Regards: Jesus M. Izquierdo KROP Audiovisual Systems Avenida de Galapagar, 15 Torrejon de Ardoz 28850 Madrid, SPAIN Tel: 34 1 6779774 Fax: 34 1 6778279 E-mail: 72332.3705@compuserve.com
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS March Quiz results, new April Quiz started Date: 4 Apr 1997 15:41:29 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5i37f9$1i2@peng.ping.at> The SSS March Quiz has ended, the winners are drawn, and the new April Quiz has started NOW! For March results as well as for the new April quiz question, please visit http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html Deadline for the new quiz is May 1. As always, the winners will receive a free HelpViewer *or* LatinByrd license, or alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 100Mbps network Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:27:16 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970404072658.25900B-100000@kira> References: <334118D7.4770@mad.servicom.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Jesus Izquierdo <krop@mad.servicom.es> In-Reply-To: <334118D7.4770@mad.servicom.es> I do not believe that NeXT hardware can go above 10Mbps TjL
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Faxing -Problem Date: 4 Apr 1997 08:54:27 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5i2fk3$41@hagen.amg.de> Hi there again, I got a problem with my modem used as a fax: I have got a 'Dr. Neuhaus Cybermod 28800' installed as a HSD FaxModem in the PrinterManager. When I want to send a fax, the modem dials the phone-number, I hear that the other fax is responding (you know these strange sounds...;-)), but it does not send anything, I think, because the LED's for sending or receiving to not flash, only the LED for connection and on-line is flashed out. What am I doing wrong ?? Thanks, Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: m_mocker@amg.de. (Martin Mocker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with tip Date: 4 Apr 1997 09:02:11 GMT Organization: AMG Industrieconsulting GmbH Message-ID: <5i2g2j$41@hagen.amg.de> Hello, yet another problem to get to my Internet Provider (I installed the Port Server Driver now, thanks to everyone who answered me): I edited /etc/remote to add an entry for my provider, and used the + br option to set the baud rate to 19200 (how to set it higher ?) + du flag Questions: - how to set the br higher than 19200, if I set it to 28800 tip tells me 'bad baud rate' - when I specify the at=hayes option tip tells me something like 'cannot init hayes' (I don't remember the exact words) - when I don't use the at option tip writes 'connected', but I cannot type anything, not even Ctrl-C to exit !! - cu started with cu -l cub -my_providers_phone_number always tells me 'line cub busy' Can you post me your tip /etc/remote config, or help me in any other way, to get a connection by just typing at dp phone_number, see the login, the password line, and start the pppd daemon on my providers server ? I got at least ppp installed, I installed the ISA Serial port Driver, the Port Server driver, now what am I doing wrong again, is it so difficult to get connected to my provider under OPENSTEP (or am I gone mad by using Win95 ??) ;-) Thanks Martin Mocker (mm@amg.de)
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 100Mbps network Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:52:15 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1997Apr4.195215.2369@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <334118D7.4770@mad.servicom.es> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970404072658.25900B-100000@kira> In <Pine.SUN.3.96.970404072658.25900B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma wrote: > > I do not believe that NeXT hardware can go above 10Mbps Indeed. And, if you are using a Intel NeXTSTEP network with supported 100Mbps drivers, don't expect a significant improvement unless the network was previously congested. Most systems can't benefit from100Mbps. Note to the original poster: don't expect people to be very willing to respond to you when you cross-post to the wrong news groups. I for one don't respond to multiple posts as a matter of policy. Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: "Art lsbell" <arti@address.in.signature> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for NT question? Date: 5 Apr 1997 03:25:04 GMT Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Message-ID: <01bc4170$d7edf4d0$7a2adec7@bozo> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote in article > Yes -- any app which is a true OpenStep App (ie not just a NeXTStep app > running under OpenStep/Mach) can be compiled to run on OpenStep/NT. > > You can use the NT apps alongside the OS ones. It's important to point out that OSE Deployment must be installed on NT or OSE apps won't run. Unfortunately, the cost of OSE Deployment can be pretty expensive. OSE apps won't run on NT as delivered by Microsoft. -- Art Isbell I do not speak for Trego Systems. Trego Systems Non-NeXT Mail: arti at lava dot net OPENSTEP/NT managed care solutions Voice: +1 808 923-1511 x903
From: gcasamen@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Matrox Millenium (BLACK SCREEN ON BOOT) Date: 5 Apr 1997 04:47:50 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i4lhm$bhl@boursy.news.erols.com> Keywords: Matrox NeXTSTEP blank The above address is not correct, please send replies to gcasamen@erols.com.... thanks. Hi, I am having the following problem. I own a Matrox Millenium video card. Recently upon booting up the machine I have been experiencingoccasions when the login screen will not come up and the monitor remainsdark. One of the lights on the front of the monitor flashes as ifit is not recieving a signal. I have no idea what might be causing this. I (unfortunately) also have Windows 95 on my machine and I have never had any problems with the display coming up with it. The "Boot Graphics" option is set to "Yes" currently. I am going to try setting it to "No" to see if that makes a difference. What confuses me the most is that this is only an occasional problem. My System is configured as follows: P200 w/ 512kb cache and 32MB RAM Matrox Millenium w/ 4MB WRAM SoundBlaster 16 (non-PnP) 33.6 KBps US Robotics Modem 1.6GB EIDE Hard Disk Drive 8x Mitsumi ATAPI compliant CD-ROM CTX 17" Monitor .25 dot pitch (max res 1600x1200) usually runs at 1280x1024 w/65536 colors. Thanks in advance for any advice or help regarding this problem. Greg C. Please e-mail me back at gcasamen@erols.com, or post to this newsgroup.
From: gcasamen@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Matrox Millenium (BLACK SCREEN) Date: 5 Apr 1997 04:49:49 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i4lld$cen@boursy.news.erols.com> Keywords: Matrox NeXTSTEP blank The above address is not correct, please send replies to gcasamen@erols.com.... thanks. Hi, I am having the following problem. I own a Matrox Millenium video card. Recently upon booting up the machine I have been experiencingoccasions when the login screen will not come up and the monitor remainsdark. One of the lights on the front of the monitor flashes as ifit is not recieving a signal. I have no idea what might be causing this. I (unfortunately) also have Windows 95 on my machine and I have never had any problems with the display coming up with it. The "Boot Graphics" option is set to "Yes" currently. I am going to try setting it to "No" to see if that makes a difference. What confuses me the most is that this is only an occasional problem. My System is configured as follows: P200 w/ 512kb cache and 32MB RAM Matrox Millenium w/ 4MB WRAM SoundBlaster 16 (non-PnP) 33.6 KBps US Robotics Modem 1.6GB EIDE Hard Disk Drive 8x Mitsumi ATAPI compliant CD-ROM CTX 17" Monitor .25 dot pitch (max res 1600x1200) usually runs at 1280x1024 w/65536 colors. Thanks in advance for any advice or help regarding this problem. Greg C. Please e-mail me back at gcasamen@erols.com, or post to this newsgroup.
From: cdb@precipice.com (christopher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Graphics Tablet Installation Date: 5 Apr 1997 05:09:21 GMT Message-ID: <5i4mq1$8ko@news1-alterdial.uu.net> hey guys'n'gals, for connection to my twin-faced nd system i just borrowed a wacom tablet, 12" x 12" format just like it says you gotta have in the manual. wacom model nr UD-1212-R. installation seems to go smoothly, until i try the pen. in "absolute" mode the cursor won't budge from the upper left corner of the left (mono) screen, while in "relative" mode it won't move outa the lower left corner of the right-hand (color) monitor, being also the lower right-hand corner of the mono screen. i have restarted/reinstalled/played with turning off one screen etc. . . w/ no success. anybody know what i can try to get this baby rolling? thanks, chris borden cdb@thoughtport.com
From: gback@teleport.com (George Back & Diane McManus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TypeView for NeXT Computers - For Sale $9.99 Starting Bid Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 21:11:13 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Sender: -yp- @ptp-195.cport.com Message-ID: <gback-0404972111130001@ptp-195.cport.com> If interested, go to http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=rlc3807 TypeView for NeXT Computers Quick Index: Extras, Product Description, System Requirements, What's in the package, Who should NOT buy this, Questions?, Shipping and Payment -------------------------------------------------------- Extras: -Attention Resellers: Brand NEW and Still In the Shrink Wrap!- (Click Here To See Some Other New and Like-New Items I Have For Sale) Back to Top -------------------------------------------------------- Description: TypeView for NeXT Computers "A complete software package for understanding, accessing, and using all features of fonts" TypeView is the perfect companion product for any Desktop Publishing, Illustration, or Presentation Software Package. TypeView allows you to quickly view the entire character set of a particular font, locate an unusual character and copy and paste into your document, and allow you to see paragraphs of text in many type families, styles and sizes. All of TypeView's features allow you to quickly analyze text and access characters in your font file. TypeView works within the NeXT services framework and can be launched by opening font files. It lets you spend more time being creative, imaginative, and more resourceful. If you are an expert graphic designer, TypeView can expose the subtleties of typefaces-details that are often hidden by the computer. Even if you have only a limited knowledge of typefaces, TypeView can greatly improve your access and control of typefaces and type attributes. (Yes, all the above came right off the package.) OK, Now Go to http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=rlc3807 to Bid on this or you'll have to read this: OK, You were Warned! Take The Day Off CREDIT: The Washington Post contest: Best Reasons for not coming to work * If it is all the same to you I won't be coming to work. The voices told me to clean all the guns today. * When I got up this morning I took two Ex-Lax in addition to my Prozac. I can't get off the john, but I feel good about it. * I set half the clocks in my house ahead an hour and the other half back an hour Saturday and spent 18 hours in some kind of space-time continuum loop, reliving Sunday (right up until the explosion). I was able to exit the loop only by reversing the polarity of the power source exactly e*log(pi) clocks in the house while simultaneously rapping my dog on the snout with a rolled up Times. Accordingly, I will be in late, or early. * My stigma's acting up. * I can't come in to work today because I'll be stalking my previous boss, who fired me for not showing up for work. Ok? * I have a rare case of 48-hour projectile leprosy, but I know we have that deadline to meet... * I am stuck in the blood pressure machine down at the Wal-Mart. * Yes, I seem to have contracted some attention-deficit disorder and, hey, how about them Skins, huh? So, I won't be able to, yes, could I help you? No, no, I'll be sticking with AT&T, but thank you for calling. * Constipation has made me a walking time bomb. * I just found out that I was switched at birth. Legally, I shouldn't come in to work knowing my employee records may now contain false information. * The psychiatrist said it was an excellent session. He even gave me this jaw restraint so I won't bite things when I am startled. * The dog ate my car keys. We're going to hitchhike to the vet. * I prefer to remain an enigma. * My mother-in-law has come back as one of the undead and we must track her to her coffin to drive a stake through her heart and give her eternal peace. One day should do it. * I can't come to work today because the EPA has determined that my house is completely surrounded by wetlands and I have to arrange for helicopter transportation. * I am converting my calendar from Julian to Gregorian. * I am extremely sensitive to a rise in the interest rates. * My wife makes more money than I do, so I have to stay at home with our sick son. * I refuse to travel to my job in the District until there is a commuter tax. I insist on paying my fair share. * I'm feeling a little disgruntled this morning. You sure I should come in? * I can't come in because the deadline is Monday and so far I only have seven different fun things to do with. Back to Top -------------------------------------------------------- System Requirements: You need to have a NeXT Computer. Other than that I don't know. Sorry. Back to Top -------------------------------------------------------- What's in the package? What's in the package? 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From: gcasamen@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Matrox Millenium (BLACK SCREEN ON BOOT) Date: 5 Apr 1997 04:47:08 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i4lgc$b8m@boursy.news.erols.com> Keywords: Matrox NeXTSTEP blank Reply-To: gcasamen@erols.com Hi, I am having the following problem. I own a Matrox Millenium video card. Recently upon booting up the machine I have been experiencingoccasions when the login screen will not come up and the monitor remainsdark. One of the lights on the front of the monitor flashes as ifit is not recieving a signal. I have no idea what might be causing this. I (unfortunately) also have Windows 95 on my machine and I have never had any problems with the display coming up with it. The "Boot Graphics" option is set to "Yes" currently. I am going to try setting it to "No" to see if that makes a difference. What confuses me the most is that this is only an occasional problem. My System is configured as follows: P200 w/ 512kb cache and 32MB RAM Matrox Millenium w/ 4MB WRAM SoundBlaster 16 (non-PnP) 33.6 KBps US Robotics Modem 1.6GB EIDE Hard Disk Drive 8x Mitsumi ATAPI compliant CD-ROM CTX 17" Monitor .25 dot pitch (max res 1600x1200) usually runs at 1280x1024 w/65536 colors. Thanks in advance for any advice or help regarding this problem. Greg C. Please e-mail me back at gcasamen@erols.com, or post to this newsgroup.
From: Sasha Mitchell <sasha@netnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 04 Apr 1997 23:32:02 -0600 Organization: Toro Message-ID: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> I snipped this after following a new link form the Amiga Web Directory. I found it very interesting, and I hope you do as well. Productive Computer Systems - Channel 303 - Amiga's New Parent Company Gateway 2000 Amiga's New Parent Company [http://www.gw2k.com] March 27, 1997 - Gateway 2000 Acquires Assets of Amiga Technologies April 2, 1997 - Dr. Amiga chats with Gateway's COO Rick Snyder On March 27, 1997 the assets of [http://www.amiga.de] Amiga Technologies were acquired by a very progressive American company - [http://www.gw2k.com] Gateway 2000. [Some very interesting stuff snipped to conserve bandwidth but I recommend that you follow the link from the Amiga Web Directory's New Links and read the whole thing] During the Q&A I asked 1 (one) 3-part :_) question: "Why did Gateway buy Amiga Technologies, what they are planning to do with it and how soon can I get one of their fancy cow-colored boxes with an Amiga in it?" Mr. Snyder replied that it's tough to be specific at this point. He said that when purchasing something during a bankruptcy, you're actually buying an equivalent of a large box with 'stuff' in it. You have an IDEA of what the stuff is, but no clue what the details of the contents are. Until you're given the permission to 'open the box', you can't begin to make any kind of concrete plans regarding it. Even though the offer has been accepted and there are several Gateway 2000 people in Germany working on the details, he has not heard everything from them and therefore does NOT want to mislead anyone or promise something that's not so (remember, what I said earlier about being in Microsoft country - this guy, very obviously, is taking a different approach). After the keynote address, I decided to approach Mr. Snyder and do a follow-up... I asked him if Gateway had people who truly understand what it is that they've got and what can be done with it. I also told him a little bit about the Amiga community and how, if Gateway is to play their cards right, they could gain a small but significant army of their proponents. He didn't specifically say that yes, they did have people who understood, but his non-answer was more of answer to me than if he gave me a direct response. He said that "Gateway could NOT let a technology like that die!" This is a direct quote from his mouth to my face one foot away!!! So, from the above I gathered that even though the situation remains unknown and no specific plans or decisions have been relayed, I really liked what this guy had to say, I liked the company he represents and I liked the approach he's taking toward the future. Considering all of the turmoil with ownership of Amiga since the day it was invented - at this point I'd have to say that Amiga's future has NEVER looked brighter! I'm officially very glad that Gateway 2000 bought the Amiga Technologies. I'm very optimistic about their future plans and Amiga's future under them! From the past experiences, I won't believe anything 100% until I SEE it, yet I remain, cautiously yet extremely optimistic. Considering the name of the company, it's interesting that it matches Amiga community's sincere wishes to have some company be the GATEWAY to take Amiga into the year 2000 :) and beyond... < Converted by HTMLess v2.1 by Troglobyte/Darkness. Only Amiga... >
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 09:45:57 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970406094446.22824A-100000@kira> References: <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: xjasong@itis.com In-Reply-To: <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> You can find a compressed version of gzip here: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/gzip.1.2.3.NI.b.tar.Z you can uncompress it with the 'compress' command which is already on your NeXT (/usr/ucb/compress, more than likely) TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Submissions Coordinator for PEAK Personal NeXT Page: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ PEAK NeXT FTP: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/ PEAK Web Access: http://www.peak.org/next/
From: anon@anon.com (anon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to do about PCI bus on NeXTSTEP 3.2 ? Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:14:25 GMT Organization: IPGKiller Message-ID: <334918d3.7362596@news.alt.net> References: <5i6cfm$5kj@news.bu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5 Apr 1997 20:25:26 GMT, marcelor@acs.bu.edu wrote: >Hello, > > > I have been running 3.2 on White since it came out. With all >the fuss that was going on when 3.3 came out, I decided >not to upgrade. Over this time I upgraded hardware a >couple of times but kept 3.2 and VL-bus based machines. >Now I've reached the point where I need to move this >machine over to at least a Pentium so I'm wondering if >there is anyway to get the PCI bus drivers from 3.3 working >with 3.2 and how to obtain same if that is possible. > >Thanks, >Marcelo I think that this depends on what you want to run on the PCI bus. I've recently moved 3.2 from a 433dx to a pentium w/ PCI. I use an S3 Trio64V+ PCI card. I also use an Adaptec 1542CF card to control my CD, a small hard disk and an EZ135. I installed 3.2 normally using default VGA without any trouble. Next, I procured the generic S3 driver for 3.3 from nextanswers, and installed it. At this point I had to dive into the driver and manually configure it for the desired resolution, since configure.app for 3.2 doesn't deal well with 3.3 drivers. In any case, after a couple of days of tinkering, experimenting and learning, I got it to work, and it has worked without a hitch since. With that said, I don't know whether the 3.3 drivers (available at nextanswers) will all work as nicely. In particular, I would like to try a PCI SCSI driver but haven't had the cash to plunk down on such a device. Moreover, I've tried to use the newer serial/mouse/server drivers without as much success. Configure.app dies and the machine reboots when I try to install one of these ( can't remember which <urghh>) . But if anyone using 3.3 would care to give values from the instance0 or other files in these drivers ( trolling for a vague sense of direction <g> )... I suspect that this too would be possible. Hell, I'd like to hear if anybody has tried configure.app from 3.3 on 3.2 with any success. This would really ease a lot of pain. Anyway, apologies for rambling. But the upshot is, despite what has always been written about 3.3 drivers not working on 3.2, I've gotten one to work. Maybe a fluke, maybe not. Worth a try from my POV.
From: rgonzal@binghamton.edu (Bob Gonzales) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: window capture Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 19:53:28 GMT Organization: Binghamton University Message-ID: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. Thanks Bob Gonzales
From: Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:34:09 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <1997Apr7.083409.25764@seer.demon.co.uk> References: <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> In <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> xjasong@itis.com wrote: > I don't have a copy of gunzip on my system, so I went back out on the net to download one. > Well, the only copies I could find out there were gzipped! Can someone let me know where I can > download the binary either raw or NeXT "compressed", or list somewhere I can get the source in > a text form? What's wrong with using gnutar, which should already be on your system? Paul -- Paul Lynch (NeXTmail) http://www.plsys.co.uk/~paul
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: window capture Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 04:48:20 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970407044429.6232A-100000@kira> References: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Bob Gonzales <rgonzal@binghamton.edu> In-Reply-To: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> > Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have > NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. I think /NextApps/Grab.app should do the trick... Please do make any screen shots you make available on the web! If you need somewhere to make them available, let me know! TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Submissions Coordinator for PEAK Personal NeXT Page: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ PEAK NeXT FTP: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/ PEAK Web Access: http://www.peak.org/next/
From: Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:37:56 +1000 Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Message-ID: <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net>, Tom Waller <URL:mailto:tower@enterprise.net> wrote: > > In article <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk>, Bob Harding > <URL:mailto:rharding@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > > > In article <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com>, Sasha Mitchell > > <URL:mailto:sasha@netnet.com> wrote: > > > Good luck Amigos. If it works out well for you it will be well for us > > all > > > > Bob > > I think that can be said of all the Acorn user base - they know a good OS > when they see it. Let us just hope that Gateway2000 look long and hard at > ARM (StrongARM) technology before taking the easy route and PowerPC Risc > chip sets..... Yes Tom I fully agree wuth you, having sold Acorn and Amigas side by side for some years now unfortunately. I would probably be more inclined to think that Gateway would more likely to opt for the PPC technology as a great deal of their porting of already existing apps has been made a little easier by what may hve been learned from the 68xxx based Apple Mac to PPC. Additionally the call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the Amiga market with its proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling software could be a deciding factor; unless someone at ARM/Digital take a wake-up and decide to come good with FPU or FPA depending on which side of the Atlantic :-)) TC. -- Anthony Clarke | Oak Seed Computers Pty. Ltd. | AMW Acoustic Labs | mailto:anthony@om.com.au | Phone / Fax (066) 246 200 | Acorn Powered | LEGAL BIT ----> All Brand names and registered trade marks, acknowledged. Disclaimer ---> All opinions expressed are those of the author, except quoted comments by other parties.
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Swapfile and Swapdisk FAQ now back online in HTML Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 06:06:24 -0800 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970405055829.21185B-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those who may not recall or perhaps did not know, the original swapfaq was online as HTML for only a few days before I accidentally deleted it while cleaning up the rest of my web account. My ISP ran no backups and the file was newer than the last backup I had made manually. It was a pretty large venture for someone just learning HTML-basics, and I could not imagine doing it again. Anyway, as of 3:30am last night it is finally back online. Right now it is probably about the same as any version you may have already seen. However, if you have not seen it or want to take a look at it again, it is now back online. I am working to make all of the necessary reference materials (NeXTanswers, man pages, etc) available as hotlinks, so you can get everything you need all attached to the one document. It can be found on http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ "Give a man a piece of working code and you solve his problem. Teach a man to write code and you give him a lifetime of new problems" -- me
From: dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 14:21:15 GMT Organization: PIOS Computer Message-ID: <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> On Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:37:56 +1000, Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> wrote: >In article <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net>, Tom Waller ><URL:mailto:tower@enterprise.net> wrote: >> I think that can be said of all the Acorn user base - they know a good OS >> when they see it. Let us just hope that Gateway2000 look long and hard at >> ARM (StrongARM) technology before taking the easy route and PowerPC Risc >> chip sets..... >Yes Tom I fully agree wuth you, having sold Acorn and Amigas side by side for >some years now unfortunately. I would probably be more inclined to think that >Gateway would more likely to opt for the PPC technology as a great deal of >their porting of already existing apps has been made a little easier by what >may hve been learned from the 68xxx based Apple Mac to PPC. Also, ARM is just too limited. Don't get me wrong, it has its place, it's way up there on the MIPS/Watt scale. So it plays into the battery-powered market just great, and by extension, dedicated consumer products like STBs, which will save money on the power supply this way. But let's not get out of prespective here. The fastest StrongARM is only hitting SPECs in the middle-of-the-road PPC603 range. Integer. Floating Point? Let's not go there. DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the ARM architecture because it was clear that, unlike PPC, MIPS, or SPARC, Alpha wasn't going to play the embedded game very well. This was a good decision, and probably saved the ARM. But don't get carried away. As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. And sure, I would love a handheld version of a real computer. The AmigaOS plays well into that, being small and efficient. Mot makes a good handheld processor, the PPC821, which incorporates an LCD controller and other bits for that kind of application. They also make a set top box version (MPC860). These aren't as fast as StrongARMS, but well in the modern ARM/'040/'060 class. The other issue is software. Count the number of OSs on the PowerPC. Even with AmigaOS as a main focus (they have that luxery, lucky them), the ability to run others is a big advantage when your main goal is selling hardware. > Additionally the >call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the Amiga market with its >proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling software could be a >deciding factor; Look at the BeOS -- floating point is used all over the place, for graphics, etc. That's because, on the PPC6xx series, it's fast. Often faster than fixed point doing the same job, plus it runs in a different execution unit. So you can as much as double performance using floats appropriately, and they're kind of what you wanted anyway in an ideal world, for many of these things. Dave Haynie V.P. Hardware Engineering PIOS Computer haynie@pios.de "...no RISC, no fun"
From: marcelor@acs.bu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What to do about PCI bus on NeXTSTEP 3.2 ? Date: 5 Apr 1997 20:25:26 GMT Organization: Boston University Distribution: world Message-ID: <5i6cfm$5kj@news.bu.edu> Hello, I have been running 3.2 on White since it came out. With all the fuss that was going on when 3.3 came out, I decided not to upgrade. Over this time I upgraded hardware a couple of times but kept 3.2 and VL-bus based machines. Now I've reached the point where I need to move this machine over to at least a Pentium so I'm wondering if there is anyway to get the PCI bus drivers from 3.3 working with 3.2 and how to obtain same if that is possible. Thanks, Marcelo
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for NT question? Date: 5 Apr 1997 20:43:11 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5i6dgv$p09@news-central.tiac.net> References: <5hupqc$7os@argentina.earthlink.net> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970402224302.18566B-100000@kira> <5i0g7n$3kn@news-central.tiac.net> <5i3ksg$k8k@sps1.phys.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <5i3ksg$k8k@sps1.phys.vt.edu> On 04/04/97, Nathan Urban wrote: >I haven't done any OpenStep NT development. What kinds of things >require #ifdef's? Sockets/user authentication/security issues first come to mind. But I could think about some cases where I #ifdef certain portion of code to make applications behave more Windows-like... >> Needless to say that it's almost impossible to make OpenStep NT apps >> good Windows sitizens > >Why? Because OpenStep and Windows has different GUI paradigms. F.e. have you ever seen any Windows application that has no window but menu? I guess not. All OpenStep applications what comes with OSE has workarounds to make them feel more like Windows apps PB for Windows got this list of currently open projects that is of no use. IB is the best in this bunch. They agregate Palettes windows with menu bar. TextEdit for windows could open just one file at a time. (They launch new TextEditor anytime new file is opened) Regards, Aleksey
From: Bob Harding <rharding@argonet.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 22:25:22 +0000 (GMT) Organization: Hardenhuish School, Chippenham Wilts. SN14 6RJ Message-ID: <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com>, Sasha Mitchell <URL:mailto:sasha@netnet.com> wrote: > > I snipped this after following a new link form the Amiga Web Directory. > I found it very interesting, and I hope you do as well. As one of the Acorn community I'd like to say what great news this is. Acorn have had their share of death threats but I don't think we've sailed quite as close to the wind as Amiga but the Amiga is a great computer ...... technology too good to die ! Good luck Amigos. If it works out well for you it will be well for us all (well except M$ - well them as well actually) Bob -- ___ _ _ _ _ _ | . > ___ | |_ | | | ___ _ _ _| |<_>._ _ ___ | . \/ . \| . \ | |<_> || '_>/ . || || ' |/ . | (Wiltshire, England) |___/\___/|___/ |_|_|<___||_| \___||_||_|_|\_. | <___'
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:08:05 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Rencsok: > Same here with 3.2 & 3.3. My black box properly mounted and recognized > a 9G xfs partition on a SGI exported to it. (Got the size right and > everything). > ... I'm doing the same. xfs export to NeXT. There are hard problems with longer directories. The 32bitclient option should be used with the export on the irix6.x system. But I has no success yet. Is it really working for long direories with your machines. Someone from NeXT told me that this problem is known and should be fixed from SGI. Are there any patched available for irix6.2 to make the nfs export of xfs partition fully compatible for 32 bit unix systems again ??? Reply to news and email please. stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jurgen@oic.de (Juergen Moellenhoff) Subject: Q:Hang while looking up connection after fork (PDO 4.1/Solaris and EOF 2.0) Message-ID: <E8A1Dx.on@oic.de> Sender: news@oic.de Organization: OIC, Bochum, Germany Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:49:09 GMT Hi, I found this in the release notes of PDO 4.1/Solaris: ----- Reference: 68675 Problem: Hang while looking up connection after fork Description: If you have a DO client which tries to look up a connection using NSConnection's connectionWithRegisteredName:host:, then forks a process, and then either exits or tries to look up the connection again, the client will hang. If the fork is omitted, the client won't hang. Workaround: None. ----- Exactly this is now my problem, but I need a workaround. Is this bug fixed in PDO 4.2? I try to fork a process with the NSTask class (but it is the same when I use simply fork() and execv()) and every time the DO client will hang, when I remove all the DO stuff from my process the the fork works. It it the same when a DO server try to fork a DO client. It is no possible to use threads instead of own processes for my project. I need really a workaround for this problem or I can't go on with the project. Is there someone who knows a solution for this problem? Thank you in advance. Juergen Moellenhoff
From: seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: 7 Apr 1997 16:16:47 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Message-ID: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print on the NeXT printer? any pointers would be appreciated. thanks in advance. hs.
From: werner@ip.cubenet.de (Dr. Werner Eberl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: 7 Apr 1997 18:49:37 GMT Organization: CUBENet Munich Message-ID: <5ibfk1$2dj$1@salyko.cube.net> References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: >i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am >planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print >on the NeXT printer? > >any pointers would be appreciated. > >thanks in advance. > >hs. I have the same hardware configuration with both color and laser printer connected to my NeXT. I installed samba on the NeXT and used the Kodak printer driver on W95. It works really great. I also can access my NeXT files from W95. Have fun with samba, Werner
From: paulus@nextdown.pe.utexas.edu (Paulus Adisoemarta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: 7 Apr 1997 22:42:21 GMT Organization: Petroleum Engineering Dept, U of Texas, Austin Message-ID: <5ibt8d$lml$1@socony.pe.utexas.edu> References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> In article <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu>, <seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu> wrote: >i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am >planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print >on the NeXT printer? > What I did: - install Samba on NeXT - browse on the Windows Explorer in W95, you'll see your NeXT hostname over there, - click on the NeXT laser printer, attach as a 'Apple LaserWriter NT' (I just happened to click on that particular model ;) - do a test print from W95, just to make sure ;) Paulus -- Paulus Suryono Adisoemarta, N5SNN / YG1QN yono@parokinet.org paulus@nextdown.pe.utexas.edu paulus@ttu.edu
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From: braddock@brendel.braddock.com (Braddock C. Gaskill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: FSU: Announcing Free Software Task List; new funding and organization for FS Date: 7 Apr 1997 20:54:03 GMT Organization: Braddock Research Message-ID: <slrn5kik16.phu.braddock@brendel.braddock.com> Free Software Task List HOW-TO Free Software Union - http://www.fslu.org Maintained by Braddock Gaskill (braddock@braddock.com) on 6 April 1997 Purpose The purpose of the Free Software Task List is to provide a "wish list" of Free Software projects. This allows: * People working on large scale Free Software projects to divide up the work among eager, but often unoriented, volunteers. * People interested in specific software to post monetary or other awards for the completion of specific tasks, without the risks of handing out money to unknown volunteers up-front. * Interested volunteers to browse a brainstorm of possible projects. Level of tasks The Free Software Task List should consist of fairly specific tasks with specific completion criteria. Remember that monetary or other awards may be tied to these tasks, so the requirement criteria should not be left to wide interpretation. For example, "Design and implementation of a MS Word-like Word Processor" is far too broad for a Task. If you want to support such a large scale project, such as a word processor, we encourage you to specify a task that creates new tasks. For example, something along the lines of "Write a 5-10 page report detailing the design of a GUI Objective-C based Word Processor, including a complete task-by-task breakdown of the implementation to be submitted to the Free Software Task List". Posting and collecting awards Before beginning a task for which an award is posted, we recommend contacting the award sponsor and specifying exactly what you intend to do. Awards posted for the Free Software Task List should not be considered binding...you should always contact and coordinate the task with the sponsor. The Free Software Uniondoes not in any way guarantee the posted awards. Doing work on a task In addition to contacting any award sponsors, people interested in doing work on a task should contact the Free Software Union Free Software Task List mailing list (fsu-fstl@fslu.org) so that the Task entry can be updated. They may also want to contact the task submitter (in "Submitted-By field") to get a better idea of what they had in mind for the task, and of course any other volunteers who started work on the task. Posting or modifying a task To add a task to the Free Software Task List, fill out the form below and e-mail it to fsu-fstl@fslu.org. The maintainer will then add your task. To modify an already existing entry, fill in just the Title field of the form below, followed by whichever fields you want to modify. All fields do not need to be included, just the ones you want changed. Entry Format Every entry must start with the "BEGIN" keyword at the beginning of a line. Multi-line entries may be used, but each additional line should begin with a space or tab to avoid any possible confusion with field name keywords. Blank lines are permitted. Every entry should end with the "END" keyword at the begining of a line. BEGIN Title: Title string for task (should never change) Description: A detailed description of exactly what needs to be done to complete this task. Submitted-By: Name and contact information for the person who submitted this task. Award: A monetary or other award, small or large, for successful completion of this task. Award-Sponsor: Name and contact information for Award Sponsors Difficulty: A guestimate of how difficult the task may be (Easy, Average, Medium, Hard), and maybe an estimate number of man-hours. Status: Status of the task. Has there been any progress? Has anyone done or started any work? Volunteers: Names and contact information for anyone who has done any work on the project. Notes: Misc information that doesn't fit the other fields. END
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Graphics Tablet Installation Date: 6 Apr 1997 02:34:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970406023400.VAA17741@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5i4mq1$8ko@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Wacom was very helpful when I was trying to install a Wacom ArtZ (not that I ever had any luck--never had the time to get back with them on it). Try their web site, and submitting a tech support e-mail request. I believe you'll be pleasantly surprised, as was I. It's really great that a company can make such wonderful products and stand behind them so completely. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: Scott Mewett <mewett@cisco.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:59:29 -0700 Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <33499871.A05@cisco.com> References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: > > i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am > planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print > on the NeXT printer? > > any pointers would be appreciated. > > thanks in advance. > > hs. I use samba. Works great but takes a little to get configured. You run it on your nextstation and it makes your next look like a windows server. You can share files and printers. Use that with the driver that adobe makes for the NeXT printer. Driver information available at: http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/LIBRARY/326e.htm I think samba is somewhere on one of the ftp sites around. Scott
From: Zig Zag <zigzagman@rollin.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 05 Apr 1997 20:51:05 -0600 Organization: La Cucaracha' Inc. Message-ID: <5i736j$fbp$6@newserve.gulftel.com> References: groups/comp.sys.amiga.misc/73868.head <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> On Sat, 05 Apr 1997 22:25:22 Bob Harding wrote about "Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder": > > In article <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com>, Sasha Mitchell > <URL:mailto:sasha@netnet.com> wrote: > > > > I snipped this after following a new link form the Amiga Web Directory. > > I found it very interesting, and I hope you do as well. > > As one of the Acorn community I'd like to say what great news this is. > > Acorn have had their share of death threats but I don't think we've > sailed quite as close to the wind as Amiga but the Amiga is a great > computer ...... technology too good to die ! > > Good luck Amigos. If it works out well for you it will be well for us > all (well except M$ - well them as well actually) > > Bob > -- > ___ _ _ _ _ _ > | . > ___ | |_ | | | ___ _ _ _| |<_>._ _ ___ > | . \/ . \| . \ | |<_> || '_>/ . || || ' |/ . | (Wiltshire, England) > |___/\___/|___/ |_|_|<___||_| \___||_||_|_|\_. | > <___' > Bob...I do hope your are a Member of Convergence International? If not you need to be. Check it out at http://convergence.int.eu.org Amiga, Acorn, & Apple against the WinTEL monolopy! regards and thanks for your kind words! :) Zig
From: rencsok@channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.bugs Subject: Re: NFS exporting to 32bit client (PROBLEMS) Date: 8 Apr 1997 01:30:25 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -Auth- @ascended.channelu.com Message-ID: <5ic73h$r8j$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Cc: ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de In <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Stefan Ried wrote: > Randy Rencsok: > > Same here with 3.2 & 3.3. My black box properly mounted and recognized > > a 9G xfs partition on a SGI exported to it. (Got the size right and > > everything). > > ... > > > I'm doing the same. xfs export to NeXT. There are hard problems with > longer directories. The 32bitclient option should be used with the > export on the irix6.x system. But I has no success yet. Is it really > working for long direories with your machines. Someone from NeXT told me > that this problem is known and should be fixed from SGI. Are there any > patched available for irix6.2 to make the nfs export of xfs partition > fully compatible for 32 bit unix systems again ??? > > Reply to news and email please. Stefan, ..... Well I tried to export the whole xfs disk and started poking around on the NeXT with find, etc. I experienced a similiar problem (that some directories arn't available from the GUI. Interestingly from the command line I can cd into the directory and do a ls but when I pwd I get: ascended> pwd pwd: getwd: read error in .. I tried the 32bitclients with no change that I could see. So at this point I can confirm the bug with NS3.3 running on a ADB Turbo ND Cube (with what nfs version 2?) and the above Indigo 2 machine running 6.2 with no NFS patches. I know there are a number of NFS patches out there and if I get a chance I'll try to track down one that might have a chance to fix this problem. We do have support on our boxes so I can file a bug report and see what SGI comes up with. But I'm going to wait until I try the most recent kernel, nfs & xfs rollup patches at least. I'm also cross posting this to comp.sys.sgi.admin in the hopes that someone will come forward with some information whilst I figure out which patches might be applicable (i.e. nfs, kernel, xfs(?)) or what nfs options to try. Unless someone from NeXT can speak up on this definatively I can't say whether it's the SGI or NeXT NFS code that is causing the problems we're seeing. But I'd bet that it could easily be the SGI. How to pin it down as a user is another matter. I'll post/e-mail with more information as I know something. Randy Rencsok rencsok@channelu.com PS. If anyone @ SGI needs more information I'll do my best to provide it.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <7486859698032@digifix.com> Date: 6 Apr 1997 05:00:24 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <28108860302827@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Amiga and Acorns Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 13:54:04 +1000 Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Message-ID: <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net>, Dave Haynie <URL:mailto:dhaynie@jersey.net> wrote: > > > > Yes Tom I fully agree wuth you, having sold Acorn and Amigas side by side > > for some years now unfortunately. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ my fraudian slip is showing . :))) > > I would probably be more inclined to > > think that Gateway would more likely to opt for the PPC technology as a > > great deal of their porting of already existing apps has been made a > > little easier by what may hve been learned from the 68xxx based Apple Mac > > to PPC. > > Also, ARM is just too limited. Don't get me wrong, it has its place, it's > way up there on the MIPS/Watt scale. So it plays into the battery-powered > market just great, and by extension, dedicated consumer products like STBs, > which will save money on the power supply this way. But let's not get out > of prespective here. The fastest StrongARM is only hitting SPECs in the > middle-of-the-road PPC603 range. Integer. Floating Point? Let's not go > there. I really think ACORNs' implementation of the ARM processor in its' current and forthcoming range of personal computers is is quite exceptional, whilst Acorn users suffer from lack of FPU and preemptive multitasking their RISC OS is really quite superb... I don't wish to enter into a debate on the positive and negative attributes between Amiga Vs Acorn OS. But rather point out that both have their relative strengths as well as shortcomings. > DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, ^^^ NO but DEC / ARM alliance might !!! > simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the desktop market..... Instead of ( Only Amiga ) Replace with ( Anything but Wintel ) :-)))) > > Additionally the call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the > > Amiga market with its proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling > > software could be a deciding factor; > > Look at the BeOS -- ^^^^ What are your thoughts on that now that Jobs with his NEXT OS is back home with Apple Mac. > floating point is used all over the place, for > graphics, etc. That's because, on the PPC6xx series, it's fast. Often > faster than fixed point doing the same job, plus it runs in a different > execution unit. So you can as much as double performance using floats > appropriately, and they're kind of what you wanted anyway in an ideal > world, for many of these things. Its' becoming clear to most vendors I think that the days of CISC technology will be with us for some time but I believe those days are numbered... PPC6 series has my vote, though I must admit I'm having quite a love affair with the StrongArm & RISC OS, compliments of the Acorn RPC. I look forward to where both technologies are heading RPC & PPC. < ANYTHING BUT WINTEL > TC -- Anthony Clarke | Oak Seed Computers Pty. Ltd. | AMW Acoustic Labs | mailto:anthony@om.com.au | Phone / Fax (066) 246 200 | Acorn Powered | LEGAL BIT ----> All Brand names and registered trade marks, acknowledged. Disclaimer ---> All opinions expressed are those of the author, except quoted comments by other parties.
From: xjasong@itis.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Chicken and Egg Date: 6 Apr 1997 07:50:13 GMT Organization: IntraNet Inc: Madison, Wisconsin's ISP Message-ID: <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> I am a new NeXT user with a simple problem that seems to have a very complicated answer. I downloaded some PPP software so I could setup a network connection with my ISP. It came down in the .gz form. I don't have a copy of gunzip on my system, so I went back out on the net to download one. Well, the only copies I could find out there were gzipped! Can someone let me know where I can download the binary either raw or NeXT "compressed", or list somewhere I can get the source in a text form? thanx... xjasong@itis.com
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.bugs Subject: Re: NFS exporting to 32bit client (PROBLEMS) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 09:08:52 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <3349EF04.446B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5ic73h$r8j$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rencsok@channelu.com wrote: > > > I'm doing the same. xfs export to NeXT. There are hard problems with > > longer directories. The 32bitclient option should be used with the > > export on the irix6.x system. But I has no success yet. > > ..... Well I tried to export the whole xfs disk and started poking around > on the NeXT with find, etc. I experienced a similiar problem (that some > directories > arn't available from the GUI. Hi Randy, meanwhile after some emails with people at NeXT and SGI the cause of this problem was absolutely trapped down. It seems to be clear that only NeXT could fix this. Both NeXT and SGI know the problem ! Playing around with rsize/wsize and the 32bitclient option has no effect on this. The inofficial answer from NeXT was "we have a patch but I can't send a copy to you...". So it seems to be a kind of beta version of a kernel patch for big customers. As far as I know it will not be fixed in OpenStep/mach 4.2 too. So I'm trying to force them to make this public with the help of the German distributor DART. I recommend you to do the same with your distributor. Stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: Tom Waller <tower@enterprise.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 15:26:43 +0100 (BST) Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Message-ID: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk>, Bob Harding <URL:mailto:rharding@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > > In article <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com>, Sasha Mitchell > <URL:mailto:sasha@netnet.com> wrote: > Good luck Amigos. If it works out well for you it will be well for us > all > > Bob I think that can be said of all the Acorn user base - they know a good OS when they see it. Let us just hope that Gateway2000 look long and hard at ARM (StrongARM) technology before taking the easy route and PowerPC Risc chip sets..... If it is more bang per buck then StrongARM leads by a mile or more... And that is fact.... Tom Waller, Tower Electronics Ltd, The Lewes, Main Street, Fyvie. Turriff Aberdeenshire. 01651 069/785 or Fax/Data to 01651 891653 E Mail tower@enterprise.net Web http://www.enterprise.net/tower-risc
From: tralala@mlink.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: window capture Date: 8 Apr 1997 09:57:06 GMT Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <5id4pi$uqc@supernews.login.net> References: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> In-Reply-To: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> Yes! Use /NeXTApps/Grab.app . Grab.app is supplied with NEXTSTEP. -André --------------------------------------------------------------- On 04/03/97, Bob Gonzales wrote: > Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have > NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. > > Thanks > Bob Gonzales >
From: dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 8 Apr 1997 11:47:35 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) writes: >DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop >machines, simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC >supported the ARM architecture because it was clear that, unlike PPC, >MIPS, or SPARC, Alpha wasn't going to play the embedded game very >well. This was a good decision, and probably saved the ARM. But don't >get carried away. As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of >performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems will be dead in a couple of years. (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that important to have one almighty processor but to have lots of cheap, fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not the mention Alpha) and if the OS has decent threading capabilities (and a fast enough bus) that team will kick the living shit out of the PPro. And why not StrongARM in UNIX boxes? Sure, Alphas are a lot faster but especially UNIX always has a busload of processes running concurrently so making good use of multiple processors even without customized software would be relatively easy. Apart from that parallel environments like PVM (parallel virtual machine) which use a workstation network as one parallel machine might easily be rewritten for that purpose. Add an FPU to the StrongARM and you have the ultimate multi-processing UNIX processor. Unless you count highly specialised areas big mainframe machines with dumb terminals are dead. The same will happen to the big central processor. Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). >> Additionally the >>call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the Amiga market with its >>proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling software could be a >>deciding factor; >Look at the BeOS -- floating point is used all over the place, for >graphics, etc. That's because, on the PPC6xx series, it's fast. The only graphics thingy I can think of that would really profit from FP hardware (unless you count Raytracing) would be a perspective mapper a la Quake. And maybe plotting Bezier-curves. I see the main benefits of FP in other areas. And don't get me wrong, I WANT FP! Either Acorn finally sort that out with their new machines or they're going down. I'd hate so see that happen but the joke has been going on for much too long. Andreas
From: torbenm@diku.dk (Torben AEgidius Mogensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 8 Apr 1997 11:40:43 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Sender: torbenm@thor.diku.dk Message-ID: <5idarr$cvb@vidar.diku.dk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) writes: >DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop >machines, simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. I don't buy this. Even a 'bigger and badder' SA at ~300MHz and with a reasonable FPU will be less of a competition for Alpha than high-end PA-RISCs, SPARCs, MIPS and PPCs. Even PPro is would be more of a competition. The high-end embedded market can take procesors at any power, and you can already see versions of MIPS and PPC aimed at this market, both with on-chip FPU and >100MHz operation. These are the real competitors for StrongARM, and to cut into their market DEC will have to add FP hardware to SA. They are probably aware of this. ARM has an unique position of being able to suport a very wide spectrum of markets for embedded processors, from lowly 'toaster' processors running at a few MHz and costing a one-digit figure in $, up to high-end NC's STB's and desktop machines. MIPS and PPC may with their 'embedded' versions cut into the higher end of this market, but I doubt they will do as well in the low end. After all, ARM was originally designed to do well in a system without cache, which neither MIPS nor PPC was. MIPS is probably closer to ARM in this respect than PPC, partly because it is an older (and hence simpler) architecture. MIPS/SG has, btw, announced a version of the MIPS processor that can run a 16-bit instruction set, which gets expanded to full 32-bit instructions in an early pipeline stage. Sounds familiar? ARM/Thumb still has one up on this new MIPS processor, as (the initial implementation of) it use an extra pipeline stage for the decoding, which add one cycle of latency for branches etc. Present implementations of Thumb can do this in the same stage as normal decode. This may change with the longer pipelines in ARM8 and SA, if Thumb decoders are added to these, though. Torben Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk)
From: neideck@kar.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 8 Apr 1997 11:43:50 GMT Organization: CEC Karlsruhe Message-ID: <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) writes: >As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of >performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. While I agree mostly about the ARM stuff, I don't see how PowerPC comes to Alpha levels of performance: SPECa SPEC Machine int95 fp95 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motorola MVME2604 9.34 8.92 200 Mhz 604e, 256K cache Motorola PowerstackII 8.00 6.31 200 Mhz 604e, 1M cache IBM 43P-140 7.22 5.23 200 Mhz 604e, 1M cache Alphastation 500/400 12.3 14.1 400 Mhz 21164,2M cache AlphaPC164 500 14.6e 13.9e 500 Mhz 21164,1M cache AlphaPC164 500 14.9e 16.0e 500 Mhz 21164,2M cache Alphastation 500/500 15.0 20.4 500 Mhz 21164,8M cache I've listed several different memory and cache configurations for both the PPC 604e and the 21164 (which are the current top-of-the-line for both camps). The PPC machines all used AIX 4.1 with the same compilers, it's interesting to see the difference between the two Motorola boxes which ran the exact same binaries, but the MVME2604 has much faster main memory (i.e. more expensive). Picking middle ground for both camps (say the Powerstack II and the 1M AlphaPC, which is used in cheapo clones) one gets a ratio of: Motorola PowerstackII 1.00 1.00 AlphaPC164 500/1M 1.82 2.20 Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz CEC Karlsruhe , European Applied Research Center, Digital Equip. Corp. email: neideck@kar.dec.com 500 Mhz 21164, 32 MB RAM, 2.1 GB disk, 2MByte cache: $4,995 SPEC95 14.9e/16.0e, See http://www.microway.com for details
From: Nicholas Kitchener <kitchenern@logica.ANTISPAM.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 8 Apr 1997 14:15:38 GMT Organization: Logica UK Message-ID: <5idjua$1lh@romeo.logica.co.uk> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit neideck@kar.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) wrote: >In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) writes: >>As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of >>performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. The ARM is intended to provide a powerful solution into a low power consumption environment. This could not be matched by either the Alpha or the PPC. However in an environment where power consumption is not the issue- the ARM chip cannot rival the Alpha. The ARM chip would have to evolve and move market in order to compete with the Alpha and as they are made by the same manufacturer I think that this is very unlikely. Besides the SA only costs 20ukp/chip in bulk IIRC. As to the PPC vs. Alpha - I always think of clustered Alphas for some reason.. (ie not the small alphas). Why not compare the scalability aspects? >While I agree mostly about the ARM stuff, I don't see how PowerPC comes >to Alpha levels of performance: As an Acorn ARM RiscPC owner I would have to agree- the ARM is not a rival but I was ROTFL when someone suggested PPC could match an Alpha. <Proof snipped> >Motorola PowerstackII 1.00 1.00 >AlphaPC164 500/1M 1.82 2.20 Glad to see someone actually produces some facts to back up their argument. Nick. +- Nicholas Kitchener, Software Engineer, Logica UK _kitchenern@logica.com____http://www.logica.com_ Please remove ANTISPAM on replying via email, any junk mail will be bounced to your postmaster. Defense: Q: Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods? A: No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.
From: Subir Grewal <subir@crl.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Amiga and Acorns Date: 8 Apr 1997 06:14:21 GMT Organization: Trill host selection council Message-ID: <5icnnt$fi3$1@nnrp1.crl.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In comp.sys.next.advocacy Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> wrote: : > DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, : ^^^ NO but DEC / ARM alliance might !!! : > simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to : expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the : desktop market..... But that's exactly what DEC does want the Alpha to become. Of course they probably won't be making those chips, Motorola and company will. Motorola is currently shipping 433 Mhz Alpha processors for around $500. That price will drop further. By next year Alphas will be running at 800Mhz, the 21264PC range will/is cheaper than Pentiums/Pentium Pros/Kalamath and will outperform either. When Alphastations will be available for around $2500, don't you think that'll cut into the desktop market? In any case, the workstations aren't all that expensive anymore. I can get a 433Mhz Alpha-based workstation (including a monitor) for under $4,000. Of course they'll probably ship me something like WindowsNT, but that's easy to replace with Linux. That's a complete workstation, with monitor and decent sized drives. They're not all that expensive anymore! You pay through your ass for Digital Unix of course, but you should/can go with AXPLinux if you don't want to spend ungodly sums of money buying software licences. The 300Mhz workstations are around $3,000. You can jiggle around with the configurations, but prices are rapidly approaching PC prices. Of course, AlphaServers will always be way out of desktop range, but then those are mammoth machines. -- hostmaster@trill-home.com + Lynx 2.7 + PGP + http://www.crl.com/~subir/ There's so much plastic in this culture that vinyl leopard skin is becoming an endangered synthetic. -- Lily Tomlin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kjb@uts.amdahl.com (Kevin Barth) Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg Message-ID: <E89H2K.IzE@ccc.amdahl.com> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com (Usenet Administration) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA USA References: <1997Apr7.083409.25764@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:30:19 GMT In article <1997Apr7.083409.25764@seer.demon.co.uk> Paul_Lynch@plsys.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes: > In <1103_860312886@alva3.RAYOVAC.COM> xjasong@itis.com wrote: > > I don't have a copy of gunzip on my system, so I went back out on the net > to download one. > > Well, the only copies I could find out there were gzipped! Can someone let > me know where I can > > download the binary either raw or NeXT "compressed", or list somewhere I > can get the source in > > a text form? > > What's wrong with using gnutar, which should already be on your system? Actually, Paul must have meant: 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gunzip 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gzcat 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gzip ..which one can see are all hard linked (the first number is the inode number). However, this is on a 3.3 system -- I don't know what version of NeXTSTEP the original poster has, nor when these were included as standard in NeXTSTEP, but it is definitely there in 3.3. The original poster may simply need to add '/usr/bin' to his shell's 'PATH' environment variable.... -- Regards, Kevin Barth (kjb@amdahl.com) phone: +44-1252-346307 Open Systems Staff Support fax: +44-1252-346406 Amdahl Corporation
From: AMark@ncmi-ny.com? (remove the ? to reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Position available at Wall St firm in New York Date: 8 Apr 1997 17:03:28 GMT Organization: NationBanc Capital Markets,Inc.(NY) Message-ID: <5idtp0$ana@niven.ncmi-gsl.com> We have an opening for a medium-level NeXT programmer with two or more years experience. The person would work in a small group of about a half dozen programmers creating and supporting trading applications in fixed income securities. The environment is one where people are valued and traders work with developers to produce the final product. Grad students with in-depth experience in NeXT will be considered. Send resume to me at: ----------------------------------------------------- Allen Mark NationsBanc Capital Markets, Inc. 7 Hanover Square - 15th Floor New York, NY 10004-2616 email:amark@ncmi-ny.com -----------------------------------------------------
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: window capture Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 13:16:44 -0400 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <334A7D7C.797A@arch.buffalo.edu> References: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> <5id4pi$uqc@supernews.login.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi tralala@mlink.net wrote: > > Yes! Use /NeXTApps/Grab.app . > Grab.app is supplied with NEXTSTEP. > -André > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > On 04/03/97, Bob Gonzales wrote: > > Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have > > NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. > > > > Thanks > > Bob Gonzales > > On Windows NT, two excellent sharewares are: HyperSnap to save any region on the screen to a bitmap HyperCam to save any region on the screen to an animation file. you can purchase HyperSnap and HyperCam (shareware) from http://www.hyperionics.com/ I am not affiliated with Hyperionics, but I play one on the Internet ;-) -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: great scott <maddog@devnull.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Amiga and Acorns Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 13:19:17 -0500 Organization: Tantric Confusers Ltd. Message-ID: <334A8C25.41C6@devnull.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <5icnnt$fi3$1@nnrp1.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subir Grewal wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to > : expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the > : desktop market..... > > But that's exactly what DEC does want the Alpha to become. Of course > they probably won't be making those chips, Motorola and company will. > Motorola is currently shipping 433 Mhz Alpha processors for around $500. Hey Subir, Can you send me some of what you're smoking? DEC has two second sources for Alpha fab and neither one is Motorola. In fact, at least one Alpha second source, Mitsubishi, has yet to ship a single Alpha chip for revenue. The chipset to which you allude below, the 21164PC is sampling now and will be available in volume production in 3Q97, according to Microprocessor Report. The problem, as I see it, is that while technically the Alpha outperforms the x86, and most other RISC ISAs, in real-life applications it does not have more than a niche application. I'd consider Alpha servers where really stellar FP performance was a high demand---rendering 3D, raytraced graphics is one such application. But from the popular, mass-market perspective, that's not the huge win that DEC needs to turn the Alpha's position positive. I think you make the same mistake typical of technically oriented folk, believing that the best technology will win based on sheer technical merit. Given the demise of many superior technologies, we all know that to be a faulty assumption. > That price will drop further. By next year Alphas will be running at > 800Mhz, the 21264PC range will/is cheaper than Pentiums/Pentium > Pros/Kalamath and will outperform either. When Alphastations will be > available for around $2500, don't you think that'll cut into the desktop > market? Nice set of assumptions...do you have any real indication that such will come to pass? You can't base projections on CPU potential alone. People buy systems and DEC has not installed a huge number of them, despite having dominated the performance lead for literally years now. > -- > hostmaster@trill-home.com + Lynx 2.7 + PGP + http://www.crl.com/~subir/ > There's so much plastic in this culture that vinyl leopard skin is > becoming an endangered synthetic. > -- Lily Tomlin -- Mad Dog Heart of Darkness, Inc. mailto:maddog@hod.com
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Drag and Drop Animation Available Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:19:03 -0400 Organization: University at Buffalo Message-ID: <334A9A27.50CC@arch.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi Hello: I thought some of you might be interested in seeing first hand how drag and drop works between an OPENSTEP application (Create.app) and a Windows Application (Photoshop). To download the 500K AVI animation file point your web to: http://aquarius.arch.buffalo.edu/openstep.html If anyone can convert his AVI file to MPEG and/or QuickTime, please do so and send me the resulting file to post on the web. Thanks. Send me e-mail if you like it :-) -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: see@address.in.signature (Martiin-Gilles Lavoie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: [Q] NS 3.3 nerworking Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:25:38 -0500 Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <see-0804971525380001@204.191.6.58> (with appologies for cross-posting) I've recently aquired a NeXT Station Color for the sake of getting up to speed with Rhapsody programming. All is going well for now, but I'm having some difficulties finding resources to get my NeXT networked with my Mac, and to the internet (lack of knowlege). I have a PowerMac phisically connected to my NeXT using RJ-45 cabling, but I'd like to know what software/configuration I need to get to transfer files off this small net. The Mac is setup up with TCP/IP. Is ftp the only possible mean of communication between these two machines? Also, I'd like to connect my NeXT onto the internet vial PPP dial-up connections. What software/setup do I need for this? Any reply CC-ed to my email would be appreciated (local news server sometimes misses articles). MGL -- Martin-Gilles Lavoie | "No! Try not. Do! or do not mouser@zercom.net | There is no try." www.zercom.net/~mouser/ | --Yoda on error handling
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [Q] NS 3.3 networking Date: 8 Apr 1997 20:38:22 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5ieabu$l5v$1@wwwproxy.seicom.net> References: <see-0804971525380001@204.191.6.58> see@address.in.signature (Martiin-Gilles Lavoie) wrote: > I have a PowerMac phisically connected to my NeXT using RJ-45 cabling, but > I'd like to know what software/configuration I need to get to transfer > files off this small net. The Mac is setup up with TCP/IP. Is ftp the > only possible mean of communication between these two machines? Either this, or see http://www.this.net/~frank/next_cap.html for a free Ethertalk Phase II client & server package for NeXT. A new version without the need of editing scripts (all 'normal' administrative work is done by GUI) is soon to be released. > Also, I'd like to connect my NeXT onto the internet vial PPP dial-up > connections. What software/setup do I need for this? The ppp package as it is available on the archives, see next-ftp.peak.org or peanuts.leo.org. A direct link is ftp://peanuts.leo.org/next/Communication/programs/ppp_2_2.0.4.6.NIHS.b.tar.gz --- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: wilcoxb@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Bryce) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: 8 Apr 1997 20:47:32 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Message-ID: <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-User: wilcoxb Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz <neideck@kar.dec.com> wrote: > >While I agree mostly about the ARM stuff, I don't see how PowerPC comes >to Alpha levels of performance: > > SPECa SPEC >Machine int95 fp95 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Motorola MVME2604 9.34 8.92 200 Mhz 604e, 256K cache >Motorola PowerstackII 8.00 6.31 200 Mhz 604e, 1M cache >IBM 43P-140 7.22 5.23 200 Mhz 604e, 1M cache > >Alphastation 500/400 12.3 14.1 400 Mhz 21164,2M cache >AlphaPC164 500 14.6e 13.9e 500 Mhz 21164,1M cache >AlphaPC164 500 14.9e 16.0e 500 Mhz 21164,2M cache >Alphastation 500/500 15.0 20.4 500 Mhz 21164,8M cache > >I've listed several different memory and cache configurations for both >the PPC 604e and the 21164 (which are the current top-of-the-line for >both camps). The PPC machines all used AIX 4.1 with the same compilers, >it's interesting to see the difference between the two Motorola boxes >which ran the exact same binaries, but the MVME2604 has much faster main >memory (i.e. more expensive). Picking middle ground for both camps >(say the Powerstack II and the 1M AlphaPC, which is used in cheapo clones) >one gets a ratio of: > >Motorola PowerstackII 1.00 1.00 >AlphaPC164 500/1M 1.82 2.20 > > Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz Thanks for the facts! Cool! Now do you happen to have prices laying around there? I know that the Alpha computers tend to be pricier and I know that you are an Alpha advocate, but I am hoping to depend on your better nature to cough up the facts if you've gottem. Muchas gracias, Zooko of the Mists who is going to buy either a CHRP box or an Alpha box or an Intel-compatible box this year, to run mainly Linux and also Windows NT and maybe Rhapsody signatures follow + island Life in a chaos sea Not speaking for DigiCash or /. the University of Colorado / bryce@colorado.edu or ---* bryce@digicash.com
From: Duncan Cockburn <cockburn@argonet.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 20:08:09 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Distribution: world Message-ID: <na.dbbca14777.a70260cockburn@argonet.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In article <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) wrote: > But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems > will be dead in a couple of years. > (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that > important to have one almighty processor but to have lots of cheap, > fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that > respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not And of course since they run cool to the touch it'll be a lot easier to design a box to put them all in without having them fry each other. (if I were to put the dual processor (AMD 133Mhz 586) in my machine it would have to point the other way to stop it frying the StrongARM.) Probably a lot easier to put 10 StrongARMs in together than 5 Pentium Pros. . > the mention Alpha) and if the OS has decent threading capabilities (and > a fast enough bus) that team will kick the living shit out of the PPro. > And why not StrongARM in UNIX boxes? Sure, Alphas are a lot faster but > especially UNIX always has a busload of processes running concurrently > so making good use of multiple processors even without customized > software would be relatively easy. Apart from that parallel environments > like PVM (parallel virtual machine) which use a workstation network as > one parallel machine might easily be rewritten for that purpose. Add > an FPU to the StrongARM and you have the ultimate multi-processing > UNIX processor. This theory was floating around in an acorn mag a while ago. With a hydra card (a bit that slots into an Acorn Risc PC) it is simple to create a 5 processor machine. This costs around 150UKP IIRC + cost of processors, which, being ARMs aren't that expensive. Thus you would have a very cheap multi processor unix server. -- \ Maintainer Of Cobi's Ultimate Acorn Links / \ http://box.argonet.co.uk/users/cockburn /
From: roberson@ibd.nrc.ca (Walter Roberson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy Date: 9 Apr 1997 00:59:30 GMT Organization: National Research Council Canada Message-ID: <5iepli$7fn$1@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net>, Dave Haynie <dhaynie@jersey.net> wrote: :On Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:37:56 +1000, Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> :wrote: :>In article <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net>, Tom Waller :><URL:mailto:tower@enterprise.net> wrote: :>> I think that can be said of all the Acorn user base - they know a good OS :>> when they see it. Let us just hope that Gateway2000 look long and hard at Please take this out of the inappropriate newsgroups. This discussion is irrelevant to (for example) comp.sys.sgi.* Follow-ups trimmed to what appear to be the only two appropriate groups.
From: dmcnetman@mindspring.com (Dennis M. Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 00:55:35 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Message-ID: <5if0ff$7mp@camel3.mindspring.com> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> wilcoxb@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Bryce) wrote: >Thanks for the facts! Cool! Now do you happen to have prices laying >around there? I know that the Alpha computers tend to be pricier and >I know that you are an Alpha advocate, but I am hoping to depend on >your better nature to cough up the facts if you've gottem. Look for Alpha based systems below $2600, by late '97. Dennis P.S. I mean whole systems, based on the 21164PC
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Chicken and Egg Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <E8C7zq.95n@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:07:02 GMT References: <1997Apr7.083409.25764@seer.demon.co.uk> <E89H2K.IzE@ccc.amdahl.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <E89H2K.IzE@ccc.amdahl.com>, Kevin Barth <kjb@uts.amdahl.com> wrote: >> What's wrong with using gnutar, which should already be on your system? >Actually, Paul must have meant: > 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gunzip > 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gzcat > 42365 -rwxr-xr-x 3 root 49604 Feb 5 1995 /usr/bin/gzip > >However, this is on a 3.3 system -- I don't know what version of NeXTSTEP >the original poster has, nor when these were included as standard in >NeXTSTEP, but it is definitely there in 3.3. > They're in 3.2 as well. -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Nicholas Kitchener <kitchenern@logica.ANTISPAM.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Amiga and Acorns Date: 9 Apr 1997 09:43:04 GMT Organization: Logica UK Message-ID: <5ifob8$qpk@romeo.logica.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <5icnnt$fi3$1@nnrp1.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subir Grewal <subir@crl.com> wrote: >In comp.sys.next.advocacy Anthony Clarke <anthony@om.com.au> wrote: > >: > DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, >: ^^^ NO but DEC / ARM alliance might !!! Ditigal use an ARM design IIRC (of which Digital are 3rd owners). It is possible that ART/acorn produce a quicker chip.. highly unlikely though. >: > simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the >: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to >: expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the >: desktop market..... > <snip> > >Of course, AlphaServers will always be way out of desktop range, but >then those are mammoth machines. I doubt you would not use a AlphaServer as a 'desktop' machine to start with! That market sector is left to the AlphaPC. Nick. +- Nicholas Kitchener, Software Engineer, Logica UK _kitchenern@logica.com____http://www.logica.com_ Please remove ANTISPAM on replying via email, any junk mail will be bounced to your postmaster. Defense: Q: Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods? A: No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.
From: Ben Bauer <bauer@web.nih.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 09:40:37 +0100 Organization: National Institutes of Health Message-ID: <334B5601.48ED@web.nih.gov> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> <5if0l6$7mp@camel3.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis M. Campbell wrote: > > wilcoxb@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Bryce) wrote: > > Oh, almost forgot. If you're just looking to upgrade, I see that > Anti-Gravity is extending their Pentitrator line with an Alpha > version, due late summer, I think. > > Dennis By late summer various Mac vendors will have 410Mhz systems in stock. What do you think the CPU comparisons will look like then?
From: phillips@alpha1.phoenix.net (Charles Phillips) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 68k NeXT and Speedometer Utility Date: 9 Apr 1997 14:07:13 GMT Organization: C-Com/Phoenix Data Net (281) 486-8337/ http://www.phoenix.net Message-ID: <5ig7qh$hsm$2@gryphon.phoenix.net> The title says it all - does a Speedometer or Clockometer for the 68k NeXT exist? -- Charles D Phillips <mailto:phillips@phoenix.net> Check the Macintosh Logic Board Battery Web page at: <http://www.academ.com/info/macintosh> (This page also links to a Totally Unofficial Panorama Page)
From: dbin@sce.de (David Binette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 21:55:49 GMT Organization: Satellite Communication Europe Distribution: world Message-ID: <33496655.35897899@news.hamburg.pop.de> References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7 Apr 1997 16:16:47 GMT, seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: >i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am >planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print >on the NeXT printer? > >any pointers would be appreciated. > >thanks in advance. adobe has a Win95 postscript driver for the NeXT 400dpi laser printer its free and available from their web page. -- MY DNA and genetic structure is copyright 1957-1997 David J. Binette ALL RIGHTS RESERVED unauthorised use, duplication, storage or retransmission is strictly prohibited. http://www.sce.de/~dbin */ unmatched closing comment
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 68k NeXT and Speedometer Utility Date: 9 Apr 1997 16:43:05 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5iggup$4p2$2@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <5ig7qh$hsm$2@gryphon.phoenix.net> phillips@alpha1.phoenix.net (Charles Phillips) wrote: >The title says it all - does a Speedometer or Clockometer for the 68k NeXT >exist? > >-- >Charles D Phillips ><mailto:phillips@phoenix.net> > >Check the Macintosh Logic Board Battery Web page at: ><http://www.academ.com/info/macintosh> >(This page also links to a Totally Unofficial Panorama Page) > KPerfMon.app is a performance monitor which covers the CPU, memory, disk, and network usage. You can find it at: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/misc/KPerfMon.1.3.NIHS.bs .tar.gz --Ryan
From: rencsok@channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.bugs,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NFS exporting to 32bit client (PROBLEMS) Date: 9 Apr 1997 17:51:55 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -Auth- @ascended.channelu.com Message-ID: <5igkvr$leh$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3344B6E5.41C6@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5ic73h$r8j$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3349EF04.446B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Cc: ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de In <3349EF04.446B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Stefan Ried wrote: > rencsok@channelu.com wrote: > > > > > I'm doing the same. xfs export to NeXT. There are hard problems with > > > longer directories. The 32bitclient option should be used with the > > > export on the irix6.x system. But I has no success yet. > > > > ..... Well I tried to export the whole xfs disk and started poking around > > on the NeXT with find, etc. I experienced a similiar problem (that some > > directories > > arn't available from the GUI. > > > Hi Randy, > > meanwhile after some emails with people at NeXT and SGI the cause of > this problem was absolutely trapped down. It seems to be clear that only > NeXT could fix this. Both NeXT and SGI know the problem ! > Playing around with rsize/wsize and the 32bitclient option has no effect > on this. > > The inofficial answer from NeXT was "we have a patch but I can't send a > copy to you...". So it seems to be a kind of beta version of a kernel > patch for big customers. > > As far as I know it will not be fixed in OpenStep/mach 4.2 too. > So I'm trying to force them to make this public with the help of the > German distributor DART. > > I recommend you to do the same with your distributor. > Stefan, I have some messages from two kindly people who e-mailed me and for now who shall remain nameless. The first person actually did some work diagnosing the problem. Here is a copy of the informative part of their e-mail to me. First person wrote me: >You wrote: >> Unless someone from NeXT can speak up on this definatively I >> can't say whether it's the SGI or NeXT NFS code that is >> causing the problems we're seeing. But I'd bet that it could >> easily be the SGI. How to pin it down as a user is another >> matter. > >Well, nothing definite and I don't work at NeXT but maybe >this will help. > >Here's a bit more information about the problem which drove >me absolutely nuts about a month and a half ago, regretfully >no fix is possible AFAIK but at least you'll know what seems >to be going on. This is from an email I sent to somebody else >after diagnosing the problem, it explains what is happening: > >> As you may remember the problem is (in a nutshell) NextStep >> 3.[23] NFS clients seeing incomplete directory entries when >> mounting filesystems from the O2 NFS server. Files are still >> there but the directory listings don't show them. This is >> apparently what is happening according to John Spiller, who >> deals with NFS at sgi (this is after I sent him, at his >> request, packet dumps of the ethernet exchanges between the >> next and the o2 when listing a directory): >> >> > The only guess I can make from this is that the next does >> > something like give up as soon as the readdir cookie goes >> > above 0x40000000. This could easily be the case since it >> > wasn't until last year that the sun guys begrudginly admitted >> > that a cookie isn't necessarily an offset. Our XFS system uses >> > the full 32 bits (and in fact uses 64 bits in nfs 3, hence the >> > 32bitclient export option). Since our directories are not >> > just linear files, offset is meaningless, so the numbers could >> > conceivably jump around, although I believe them to be >> > monotonically increasing. >> > >> > According to any spec I've ever seen, cookie is opaque, >> > meaning the client shouldn't try to interpret it at all. It >> > looks like NeXtStep is, however. >> >> The temporary solution is to use efs instead of xfs in the >> exported filesystems as it uses the old offset method for >> creating cookies and so does not generate cookies above >> 0x40000000. I believe the problem is fixed in latter versions >> of NextStep (4.x) although I have not tested that. > >So you see, it is the next clients that are silently failing >when they find what they believe to be objectionable nfs >cookies. I sent a bug report to NeXT but had no response >whatsoever (not surprising). I've heard of a patch for 3.3 >that solved this particular problem but I have not tried to >obtain it (it is not in NextAnswers of the ftp server). Well I think we can confirm it's not just an O2 running 6.3 but now a Indigo 2 running 6.2. And certianly NS3.3 & 4.x (4.2?) Another kind soul sent me the following: >> I've also sent a query off to a friend of mine that works at NeXT. If >> there's actually a beta kernel available, maybe there's some hope. With the followup :( > >Looks kinda hopeless. >No "premiere" customers are pushing for it. >It was very likely not fixed for 4.2. >It will be fixed for Rhapsody, but that's not much help for us :) > >It seems that the problem is actually two separate problems. >One in the kernel dealing with readdir() and one with "recursive file >system commands like ls, tar, du, chown...etc." due to potential bugs >in the system libraries. The fix for the second part appears to be >as simple as downloading the gnu fileutils and compiling them statically >linked. > >If I hear anything else, I'll let you know. That's about where it stands at this point. If NeXT has a patch I wish they'd just release it. I'd be looking for something for NS3.3 since I don't plan on running 4.x anytime soon. I think most of us Black users havn't had a distributor for years :( unless you think a Reseller has any weight with NeXT. I personally could probably do what I need with nfs since I only export space on that xfs disk to be used as a temp directory for images/sounds etc (to share space between machines). I'm rather confused as to why only XFS filesystems illustrate this bug and not EFS filesystems? I can only wonder what is really going on here. Anyone from NeXT or SGI care to comment publically or privately on this? Stefan This is about the best I can do in terms of making a stink about it. Any other action you could recommend to us would be gratefully accepted (like a few e-mail addresses to bombard). But I expect that persons with NeXT's and SGI's on the same LAN are rather RARE. Randy Rencsok rencsok@channelu.com
From: Rudi Chiarito <chiarito@cli.di.unipi.it> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 10 Apr 97 00:31:16 +0100 Organization: What, me organized? Message-ID: <7791B7F.yax.1F.321.jay@pane.e.nutella.org> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz wrote: >In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> dhaynie@jersey.net (Dave >Haynie) writes: >>As long as PPCs come close to Alpha levels of >>performance (they do today), they'll be a better desktop CPU than ARM. >While I agree mostly about the ARM stuff, I don't see how PowerPC comes >to Alpha levels of performance: [snip] >I've listed several different memory and cache configurations for both >the PPC 604e and the 21164 (which are the current top-of-the-line for >both camps). The PPC machines all used AIX 4.1 with the same compilers, Which ones? >it's interesting to see the difference between the two Motorola boxes >which ran the exact same binaries, but the MVME2604 has much faster main >memory (i.e. more expensive). Picking middle ground for both camps >(say the Powerstack II and the 1M AlphaPC, which is used in cheapo clones) >one gets a ratio of: >Motorola PowerstackII 1.00 1.00 >AlphaPC164 500/1M 1.82 2.20 Could you also list prices, please? That's a factor you can't ignore. Anyway, IMHO the future of PPC looks more than promising. Arthur and G3 are coming... we'll see. > Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz >CEC Karlsruhe , European Applied Research Center, Digital Equip. Corp. Oh. DEC. I see, now. :) >email: neideck@kar.dec.com >500 Mhz 21164, 32 MB RAM, 2.1 GB disk, 2MByte cache: $4,995 I wouldn't mind getting one of those free... for testing/demo purposes, of course ;) -- "Yes," said Marvin. "Wearily I sit here, pain and misery my only companions. And vast intelligence of course. And infinite sorrow. And..." Rudi Chiarito - ATO, Team Amiga & EpOS member - HiJack/NetClip updates soon! EMail: chiarito@cli.di.unipi.it - WWW: http://www.cli.di.unipi.it/~chiarito/ MISTAKES/MISSPELLINGS ARE FICTIONAL: A SIMILARITY TO REAL ONES IS INCIDENTAL
From: cavery@dc.net (Christopher Avery) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .PS Files Date: 10 Apr 1997 01:24:07 GMT Organization: Posted via CAIS Internet <info@cais.com> Message-ID: <5ihffn$72u@news2.cais.com> I install an Apple Writer driver on my Win95 machine and generated the test page to a file. I moved the file to my NextStation and it prints great! But when I tried this with a real application, I get nothing but errors and only a few text lines. Is this a font problem, or is the Preview app just way out of date with the ps files generated by the Win95 drivers? Any solutions would be most appreciated. Thanks -- ---- Christopher Avery ----- reply to: cavery@dc.net (NeXTMail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer and WIN95 References: <5ib6lf$11q@ttacs7.ttu.edu> From: Darren Reely <dreely@cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: <334c47d7.0@scipio.cyberstore.ca> Date: 10 Apr 97 01:52:23 GMT seran@rayleigh.me.ttu.edu wrote: >i have a NeXT Turbo station and another computer running win95 and i am >planning to buy me a NeXT printer. is there any way to get win95 to print >on the NeXT printer? > >any pointers would be appreciated. See my web page for one solution. http://www.bcog.org/~dreely/OpenStep/printing.html Others have suggested SAMBA. I think it gives you file sharing ability as well as printing. These solutions require an ethernet connection between the two machines. Darren http://www.bcog.org/~dreely
From: rcc@tilt.engr.sgi.com (Ray Chen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.bugs,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.sys.sgi.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NFS exporting to 32bit client (PROBLEMS) Date: 10 Apr 1997 01:54:10 GMT Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA Message-ID: <5ihh82$51a@fido.asd.sgi.com> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <5ic73h$r8j$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <3349EF04.446B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5igkvr$leh$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> In article <5igkvr$leh$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, <rencsok@channelu.com> wrote: >>So you see, it is the next clients that are silently failing >>when they find what they believe to be objectionable nfs >>cookies. I sent a bug report to NeXT but had no response >>whatsoever (not surprising). I've heard of a patch for 3.3 >>that solved this particular problem but I have not tried to >>obtain it (it is not in NextAnswers of the ftp server). > >Well I think we can confirm it's not just an O2 running 6.3 but now >a Indigo 2 running 6.2. And certianly NS3.3 & 4.x (4.2?) [stuff deleted ... ] >I'm rather confused as to why only XFS filesystems illustrate this bug >and not EFS filesystems? I can only wonder what is really going on >here. Anyone from NeXT or SGI care to comment publically or privately >on this? The reason is really quite simple. EFS, like all FFS-based filesystems that I know of, use the offset into the directory as the cookie that it hands to NFS. Directory entries in EFS don't move around so this is ok. XFS does something different. We couldn't use the offset because the location of a directory entry can change as the directory grows and shrinks so we had to use something else instead. So we use something that includes our btree lookup value (and something else but I forget at the moment exactly what). The problem of course, is that the value of the cookie we generate really has very little correlation with the size of the directory. The value of the cookies will increase as you go through the directory using readdir but that's about the only guarantee you've got. The NFS spec says that cookies are opaque. But the Sun NFS code essentially treated cookies as offsets and did things like silently truncate upper bits, etc. (even for NFS v3, I believe) in the belief that no one would ever have directories that are that big. I think the latest Sun NFS code has the problem fixed. But if Next's implementation is derived from older Sun NFS code, well... >Randy Rencsok >rencsok@channelu.com Ray Chen rcc@sgi.com
From: cdb@precipice.com (christopher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Follow Up on Wacom Tablet Woes Date: 9 Apr 1997 22:07:11 GMT Message-ID: <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> ok gang, thanks for the one reply to my inquiry about why my wacom 12 x 12 format graphics tablet ain't rolling. this kind fellow suggested i call wacom tech support, so i did. wacom says it doesn't support next hardware, and doesn't think it will work. i explained that the next documentation (white Network and System Administration manual, p 185-186) says a 12 x 12 format does work after installation via InstallTablet.app, and that furthermore i've seen the same-sized (if not same model#, mine's UD-1212-R) tablet working on a very similar system to mine (nd turbo vs non, the difference). i emailed the former owner of that system for clues and he said to try different settings of the DIP switches on the back of the tablet. trouble is i don't see any switches other than a power switch on the back of this here tablet. i've also called bell atlantic, which sold me a next system. the folks i could talk to there said they'd never heard of such a thing working on black hardware. when i brought up the chapter-and-verse manual reference they said they'd ask one of the "techies" in the back and get back to me. after several days of not hearing back i persisted with a reminder call. was told the one techie who might conceivably know something about this was out of the office on business, return date unknown. there must be someone on one of these broad lands with a working wacom hookup, or the wherewithal to get one up, no? thanks for any help, chris borden cdb@precipice.com
From: Justin Noehre <brigade@btigate.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Amiga and Acorns Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 18:53:22 -0700 Organization: Altopia Corp. - Affordable Usenet Access - http://www.alt.net Message-ID: <334C4812.2D1A@btigate.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <ant0803040b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony Clarke wrote: > > In article <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net>, Dave Haynie > <URL:mailto:dhaynie@jersey.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes Tom I fully agree wuth you, having sold Acorn and Amigas side by side > > > for some years now unfortunately. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ my fraudian slip is showing . :))) > > > I would probably be more inclined to > > > think that Gateway would more likely to opt for the PPC technology as a > > > great deal of their porting of already existing apps has been made a > > > little easier by what may hve been learned from the 68xxx based Apple Mac > > > to PPC. > > > > Also, ARM is just too limited. Don't get me wrong, it has its place, it's > > way up there on the MIPS/Watt scale. So it plays into the battery-powered > > market just great, and by extension, dedicated consumer products like STBs, > > which will save money on the power supply this way. But let's not get out > > of prespective here. The fastest StrongARM is only hitting SPECs in the > > middle-of-the-road PPC603 range. Integer. Floating Point? Let's not go > > there. > > I really think ACORNs' implementation of the ARM processor in its' current > and forthcoming range of personal computers is is quite exceptional, whilst > Acorn users suffer from lack of FPU and preemptive multitasking their RISC OS > is really quite superb... I don't wish to enter into a debate on the positive > and negative attributes between Amiga Vs Acorn OS. But rather point out that > both have their relative strengths as well as shortcomings. > > > DEC won't make bigger and badder StrongARMs suitable for desktop machines, > ^^^ NO but DEC / ARM alliance might !!! > > simply because that would cut into the Alpha's market. DEC supported the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Unless they want to > expand beyond higher priced workstations and become "more visible" in the > desktop market..... > > Instead of ( Only Amiga ) > Replace with ( Anything but Wintel ) :-)))) > > > > > > Additionally the call for FPU already quite a significant factor in the > > > Amiga market with its proliferation of TRUE raytracing and 3D modelling > > > software could be a deciding factor; > > > > Look at the BeOS -- > ^^^^ What are your thoughts on that now that Jobs with his NEXT > OS is back home with Apple Mac. > > > floating point is used all over the place, for > > graphics, etc. That's because, on the PPC6xx series, it's fast. Often > > faster than fixed point doing the same job, plus it runs in a different > > execution unit. So you can as much as double performance using floats > > appropriately, and they're kind of what you wanted anyway in an ideal > > world, for many of these things. > > Its' becoming clear to most vendors I think that the days of CISC technology > will be with us for some time but I believe those days are numbered... PPC6 > series has my vote, though I must admit I'm having quite a love affair with > the StrongArm & RISC OS, compliments of the Acorn RPC. I look forward to > where both technologies are heading RPC & PPC. > > < ANYTHING BUT WINTEL > > Actually, DEC is making a new StrongARM. They recently released a 288mhz(?) StrongARM chip. There is a rumor that the new strongarm will have an fpu and dec IS adding PCI support to the strongarm (check the dec site). Also, Acorn is coming out with a new OS in the second quarter of 1997. Also, according to an acorn rep i talked to, the new RiscII computer from acorn should be coming out shortly. Just wait and see, the StrongARM chip could become a contender. Justin Noehre
From: s.brandon@music.gla.ac.uk (Stephen Brandon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NFS problem !SOLVED! Date: 8 Apr 1997 09:51:15 GMT Organization: University of Glasgow Message-ID: <5id4ej$m77@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk> References: <33302A04.6BD6@wam.umd.edu> <33397501.5112@wam.umd.edu> <SHESS.97Mar29002733@slave.one.net> <cdoutyE81xIA.9H7@netcom.com> <5i103d$r62$4@msunews.cl.msu.edu> spammers@ruin.the.internet wrote: >Same here with 3.2 & 3.3. My black box properly mounted and recognized >a 9G xfs partition on a SGI exported to it. (Got the size right and >everything). <<<>>> >Randy >Randy Rencsok General UNIX, NeXTStep, IRIX Admining, >Turbo Software Consulting, Programming, etc.) I might add to this that I have needed to add the mount options rsize=5120 and wsize=5120 to the NeXT end of the connection before this worked for me. This seems to be a peculiarly NeXT/SGI problem as far as I can see. Exporting an xfs partition may also have been a contributing factor (as opposed to efs). I also export from the sgi with the -32bitclients option enabled, though this may not be necessary. Tested under IRIX6.2. Stephen Brandon s.brandon@music.gla.ac.uk
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Micropolis "Aries" Drive for NeXT Turbo? Date: 27 Mar 1997 20:29:12 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5helao$ogk@agate.berkeley.edu> Anyone know if a Micropolis Model 4421 Fast SCSI-2 Interface 2147MB 9ms 5400rpm 3.5" "low-profile" disk drive will work well in my NeXT Turbo Slab? Or should I forget about it? E-mail me if you have experience and/or insight with this. Thanks. John
From: andydunn@op.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Okidata 610e with NeXTstation? Date: 8 Apr 1997 23:17:39 GMT Organization: OpNet -- Greater Philadelphia Internet Service Message-ID: <5iejmj$lbp@picasso.op.net> Hi, I am considering getting an Okidata 610e/PS printer to hook up to my slab (NS 3.1). Does anyone have any experiences with these printers? Will any of the Oki drivers that come with NeXTstep handle this printer? Any opinions or advice on the matter would be appreciated. TIA, _andy
From: Markus Wenzel <not@this.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to do about PCI bus on NeXTSTEP 3.2 ? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:38:20 +0200 Organization: SNI Message-ID: <334CD12C.234F23DE@this.net> References: <5i6cfm$5kj@news.bu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 marcelor@acs.bu.edu wrote: > I have been running 3.2 on White since it came out. With all > the fuss that was going on when 3.3 came out, I decided > not to upgrade. Over this time I upgraded hardware a > couple of times but kept 3.2 and VL-bus based machines. > Now I've reached the point where I need to move this > machine over to at least a Pentium so I'm wondering if > there is anyway to get the PCI bus drivers from 3.3 working > with 3.2 and how to obtain same if that is possible. You have to upgrade to 3.3. There's no need to worry about it, 3.3/Intel is rock solid.
From: dmcnetman@mindspring.com (Dennis M. Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 00:58:38 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Message-ID: <5if0l6$7mp@camel3.mindspring.com> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> wilcoxb@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Bryce) wrote: Oh, almost forgot. If you're just looking to upgrade, I see that Anti-Gravity is extending their Pentitrator line with an Alpha version, due late summer, I think. Dennis
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered,chi.jobs,il.jobs Subject: Developers/Learn Next/Career Position/ILL Date: 10 Apr 1997 20:56:43 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5ijk6b$ii7@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer----Commercial experience NEXT------Any experience--a strong plus C or C++ & Unix---Strong plus Career Position---Outstanding benefits Relocation---Company assistance Area---Greater Chicago Area To Be Considered---Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: window capture References: <5i1226$5e62@bingnews.binghamton.edu> From: Darren Reely <dreely@cyberstore.ca> Message-ID: <334d6af0.0@scipio.cyberstore.ca> Date: 10 Apr 97 22:34:24 GMT rgonzal@binghamton.edu (Bob Gonzales) wrote: >Is there an easy way to capture a window as a graphic image? I have >NextStep 3.3 Developer and no other software installed on my machine. Have you tried /NextApps/Grab.app? You should have it on your system, unless it's be deleted on purpose. Darren http://www.bcog.org/~dreely
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 68k NeXT and Speedometer Utility Date: 9 Apr 1997 22:57:11 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5ih6s7$ijc$1@wwwproxy.seicom.net> References: <5ig7qh$hsm$2@gryphon.phoenix.net> phillips@alpha1.phoenix.net (Charles Phillips) wrote: > The title says it all - does a Speedometer or Clockometer for the 68k NeXT > exist? There are several benchmark utilities but no Speedometer. NXBench or BenchPress will do benchmark tests on your 68k NeXT machine. ---- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is NexTTV ? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:04:37 -0500 Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Message-ID: <334D8E25.465D@interramp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where can one find NeXTTV, used to watch video on a NeXTDImension ? TIA. Atindra.
From: Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 11 Apr 1997 00:02:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: : But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems : will be dead in a couple of years. : (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about 4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. : fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that : respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be minimal. Forget it! : Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised : what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the global mainstream computer industry. Acorn is a blip in computer history and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is dead.
From: dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 11 Apr 1997 13:14:14 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: >The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: >: But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems >: will be dead in a couple of years. >: (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that >Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't mean that, at any rate. Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd do that if it weren't worthwhile. For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small price, considering RAM prices. And you don't have to give each of these 32 MB or something, even a measly 2MB should be enough to make good use of "slave" processors. You can always get data from the main (shared) memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. >: fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that >: respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not >StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be >minimal. Forget it! Right. I guess that's why TI are building a 500MHz variant, huh? You're not making a lot of sense, you know that? >: Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised >: what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). >All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the >global mainstream computer industry. And what are these, pray tell? Holding on to the old sequential philosophy which is clearly outdated? Sequential software is easier to write, that's true, but most problems are not instrinsically sequential and could be solved much more efficiently using parallel approaches. If there are really big, time-demanding computations going on they're solved in parallel even today, that's a fact; have you even heard of PVM? Do you think the big SGI graphics monsters are working on one cylinder??? Learn to look over the rim of your coffee-cup. You remind me of the guy who said there'd be a market for maybe three or four computers on a global scale when the first microprocessor came out (or something along that line, I don't have the quote handy ATM). >Acorn is a blip in computer history >and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine >than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is >dead. We were talking about ARM processors, specifically StrongARM, not Acorn. Remember I was suggesting a load of StrongARMs in a Unix box. And if you're suggesting ARM are a blip too then maybe you should consider who licensed the ARM design lately. Whether ARM are big in desktop machines is another issue. They could be very big once parallel systems are established - which will happen, I'm sure of that. But I think Acorn are on the right track too. At least they have a vision and don't just steal other people's ideas, implement them badly and then market the poor result as the best thing since sliced bread. The multi- processing RPC has big potential; we'll have to see how it does in real life. Andreas
From: Rich Browning <rbrowning@acorn.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:58:12 +0100 (BST) Organization: Acorn Network Computing, Cambridge, United Kingdom Message-ID: <ant1113129eeLJLo@om122.acorn.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII In article <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com>, Glenn Saunders <URL:mailto:krishna@primenet.com> wrote: > StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be > minimal. Forget it! Sorry. That's not an option. :) -- Richard Browning, Project Manager, Graphics & Font Technology Acorn Network Computing Tel: +44 (0) 1223 725 594 Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road Fax: +44 (0) 1223 725 100 Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom WWW: http://www.acorn.co.uk/
From: rencsok@channelu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Follow Up on Wacom Tablet Woes Date: 11 Apr 1997 19:14:09 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -Auth- @ascended.channelu.com Message-ID: <5im2i1$jrf$3@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Cc: cdb@precipice.com In <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> christopher wrote: > ok gang, > > thanks for the one reply to my inquiry about why my wacom 12 x 12 format > graphics tablet ain't rolling. this kind fellow suggested i call wacom > tech support, so i did. wacom says it doesn't support next hardware, and > doesn't think it will work. i explained that the next documentation (white > Network and System Administration manual, p 185-186) says a 12 x 12 format > does work after installation via InstallTablet.app, and that furthermore > i've seen the same-sized (if not same model#, mine's UD-1212-R) tablet > working on a very similar system to mine (nd turbo vs non, the > difference). i emailed the former owner of that system for clues and he > said to try different settings of the DIP switches on the back of the > tablet. trouble is i don't see any switches other than a power switch on > the back of this here tablet. > Could that ND Turbo have been a ADB ND Turbo? That might make a difference. I too have been contemplating purchasing a Wacom but I want it to work on a SGI and a ADB Turbo ND. (even if it means me cobbling a second serial connector with right pinouts) The problem was what the exact differences are between the MAC ADB and the PC Wacom, beyond the serial pinouts. If anyone knows (Steve Weintz are you out there... I know you have SGI's and NeXT's.. Do you have a Wacom?) Randy rencsok@channelu.com
From: kdb@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kurt D. Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: DynaMO 540 and SYS.230 Date: 11 Apr 1997 21:42:49 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <5imb8p$n6$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Does anyone know if Fujitsu's DynaMO 640 and/or Olympus's SYS.230 MO drives will work with my Color NeXTStation running NS3.2? I'd heard stories about the older DynaMO 230 not working, but I truly can't recall. Thanks for any info you can provide.. ...................................................................... : Kurt D. Bollacker University of Texas at Austin : : kdb@pine.ece.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8566, Austin, TX 78713 : :....................................................................:
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Connecting to network and ISP Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:54:21 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <334EDD3D.58A3@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news.smart.net!not-for-mail From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Connecting to network and ISP Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:56:13 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <334D29BD.41FE@smart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gh.smart.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: news.smart.net comp.sys.next.sysadmin:5716 I'm trying to connect to my ISP with an Ascend Pipeline 25 Px. This is an ISDN router with an ethernet backend which is connected to my computer. My ISP uses an Ascend Max 4000, and has assigned me one static IP address (206.153.50.76). They depend on the router to use network address translation. The manual for the router says to assign the router an artificial address with each of the dotted quads between 100 and 255. And further, to assign the computer an address with the last number different from the router by one. Does this mean that I completely ignore the actual number that the ISP has assigned me, and use any bogus numbers such as 192.168.100.100 for the router and 192.168.100.101 for the computer? Would the correct netmask be 255.255.255.0? Would the correct broadcast address be 192.168.100.255? Are there any other parameters I need to set? I started up the Simple Network Starter application in order to set the parameters. When I entered the settings I got error messages that I could not change them with that application. The NeXT documentation says you can make changes with it, and whats the point in having that app if you can't make changes? So how can I get this app to work, or which app would I use to make the changes? --Greg
From: Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to network and ISP Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:47:28 -0500 Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link Message-ID: <334F05D0.DC8@interramp.com> References: <334EDD3D.58A3@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use the Ascend Pipeline 25 Px myself. As far as I know, it ONLY supports dynamic IP addressing, not static addresses. And yes, follow the manual EXACTLY regarding the fake IP addresses. I have been using it for over a year on many machines with NO problems. Atindra.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <mross> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 97 03:47:19 -0700 From: Michael Ross <mross> Message-ID: <9704121047.AA02917@antigone.com> Subject: test please ignore
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered Subject: NEXT/Career Position/IL Date: 12 Apr 1997 17:32:36 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5iogvk$ion@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXT---------Commercial experience Objective C--Commercial experience Career Position----Full benefits Opportunity-----Outstanding Area----Greater Chicago Area To Be Considered----Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: DynaMO 540 and SYS.230 Date: 12 Apr 1997 18:00:59 GMT Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. Message-ID: <5ioikr$ebd@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <5imb8p$n6$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Cc: kdb@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu In <5imb8p$n6$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Kurt D. Bollacker wrote: > I'd heard stories about the older DynaMO 230 not working, but I truly can't > recall. I've had a DynaMO 230 on my NeXTstation for over a year with no problems. Works great. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love MIME & NeXT Mail OK rlove@neosoft.com PGP key available ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: jreynolds <@txdirect.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Parallel is not new Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 09:10:46 -0500 Organization: Bauer Audio Visual Message-ID: <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on the issue of parallel processors: The Cray Supercomputers made exclusive use of this method. Most pc companies are trying to make it affordable; certainly there is a need for it. But Cray has been doing it for over a decade, and their fastest cpu only ran at 33Mhz.
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 13 Apr 1997 10:44:12 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5ipa8s$uap@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) writes: >I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >mean that, at any rate. [...] >For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you >can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small >price, considering RAM prices. Funny that --- that sounds _exactly_ like the system we built for the German version of Science Fair in 1990. Although, of course, we used Hitachi HD64180 (effectively fast Z80 plus support chips) CPUs, and were talking 32kB of local memory rather than "a measly 2M". On a processor with just 64k address space (yeah, the 64180 had an MMU, but we didn't really use that one all that much), dividing it into 32k private memory and 32k shared memory made sense. 4 Processors per board, sharing 32k with a dedicated communications processor that has access to 4 of those boards; 4 of the dedicated communications processors sharing 32k with a higher level communications processor.... you get a tree that way. The bummer really is --- even in 1990, we built this thing in SMD, and had to pull quite a few strings to be able to do so (but the prototype was really cool wire wrap stuff :-). These days, you just can't build anything exciting anymore with a soldering iron...... >You can always get data from the main (shared) >memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the >raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition >the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be >accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til >everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. Not ray tracing, but mandelbrot set calculations were our example best suited for this type of machine (writing a ray tracer at all, let alone in Occam, would have taken way too long). However, even doing something like neural networks, message passing systems really get ugly; The same holds for a lot of other stuff. Try to do a matrix inversion on a message passing system... when asked to do this for my parallel programming course, I ended up doing every single calculation twice, because that was faster than getting the results through the network (and boy was the resulting algorithm elegant. Kinda hard to explain, though ;-). >You remind me of the guy who said there'd be a market for maybe three or >four computers on a global scale when the first microprocessor came out >(or something along that line, I don't have the quote handy ATM). And you sound like a guy who thinks computers didn't exist before microprocessors (i.e. 1972). BTW, the quote was allegedly from Thomas Watson Sr, the guy who made IBM big in the punch card market. He didn't grasp the idea of computers.... Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Message-ID: <nagleE8K4o5.5ou@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 03:36:05 GMT Sender: nagle@netcom6.netcom.com jreynolds <@txdirect.net> writes: >on the issue of parallel processors: >The Cray Supercomputers made exclusive use of this method. Most pc >companies are trying to make it affordable; certainly there is a need >for it. Actually, Cray was noted for their vector machines; their early machines were SIMD. Multiprocessors came much later, and they weren't a big player in massive parallelism a la Thinking Machines. >But Cray has been doing it for over a decade, and their fastest cpu only >ran at 33Mhz. No way. Even the Cray 1 could start a new multiply every 13 nanoseconds. John Nagle
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: bjl@ecf.toronto.edu (Brian Lee) Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Sender: news@ecf.toronto.edu (News Administrator) Message-ID: <E8K59M.F0G@ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 03:48:58 GMT References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Andreas Dehmel <dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> wrote: > >Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: > >>The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: >>: But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems >>: will be dead in a couple of years. >>: (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that > >>Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >>use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >>4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. who says we need a central memory pool? many/most of the massively parallel systems that exist today (say Cray, Intel, etc) use message passing, not the shared-memory programming paradigm. >I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >mean that, at any rate. >Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd >do that if it weren't worthwhile. By MPP, they usually mean over 500 or more processors? I've seen an Intel machine with over 8000. The SGI's have up to 36 last time I looked, that's why you can still use a shared bus. >For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you >can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small >price, considering RAM prices. And you don't have to give each of these >32 MB or something, even a measly 2MB should be enough to make good use >of "slave" processors. You can always get data from the main (shared) >memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the >raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition >the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be >accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til >everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. I guess this is true if you have a big cache. otherwise, with a bunch of CPUs constantly accessing memory at say, 50M/second, you'll be in big trouble... >>: fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that >>: respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not > >>StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be >>minimal. Forget it! > >Right. I guess that's why TI are building a 500MHz variant, huh? You're not >making a lot of sense, you know that? > >>: Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised >>: what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). > >>All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the >>global mainstream computer industry. you can't exactly say that buying a MPP is main stream either at the moment... >And what are these, pray tell? Holding on to the old sequential philosophy >which is clearly outdated? Sequential software is easier to write, that's >true, but most problems are not instrinsically sequential and could be >solved much more efficiently using parallel approaches. >If there are really big, time-demanding computations going on they're >solved in parallel even today, that's a fact; have you even heard of PVM? >Do you think the big SGI graphics monsters are working on one cylinder??? >Learn to look over the rim of your coffee-cup. >You remind me of the guy who said there'd be a market for maybe three or >four computers on a global scale when the first microprocessor came out >(or something along that line, I don't have the quote handy ATM). > >>Acorn is a blip in computer history >>and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine >>than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is >>dead. > >We were talking about ARM processors, specifically StrongARM, not Acorn. >Remember I was suggesting a load of StrongARMs in a Unix box. And if you're >suggesting ARM are a blip too then maybe you should consider who licensed >the ARM design lately. Whether ARM are big in desktop machines is another >issue. They could be very big once parallel systems are established - which >will happen, I'm sure of that. > >But I think Acorn are on the right track too. At least they have a vision >and don't just steal other people's ideas, implement them badly and then >market the poor result as the best thing since sliced bread. The multi- >processing RPC has big potential; we'll have to see how it does in real >life. > > > > >Andreas -- Brian Jonathan Lee (aka "hojo") | "Beef satay?!?! Not beef satay again!!!!" bjl@ecf.toronto.edu | "XMen! XMen! Rescue Kitty from the caves!" bjl@eecg.toronto.edu | "Evil thy name is NETREK!"
From: Erik A Hansen <hansen_e@cmr.fsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ariel DATport Date: 12 Apr 1997 22:03:18 GMT Organization: Florida State University Message-ID: <5ip0r6$f85@news.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking for an Ariel DATport for the NeXT. It is a breakout box that provides digital inputs (and outputs?) to the NeXT's DSP. I'm mainly looking for one for the opportunity to have one, money is limited while I'm attending school. I'm also open to any other ideas for sound inputs for the NeXT. Anyone want to part with their Digital Ears, cheaply? thanks, erik -- Erik Ariston Hansen hansen_e@cmr.fsu.edu http://otto.cmr.fsu.edu/~hansen_e
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 13 Apr 1997 15:18:18 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> jreynolds <@txdirect.net> writes: >on the issue of parallel processors: >The Cray Supercomputers made exclusive use of this method. [...] >But Cray has been doing it for over a decade, and their fastest cpu only >ran at 33Mhz. In fact, this isn't true for at least the early Crays. The thing that made early Crays fast was that they were vector processors with very well designed pipelines (oh, and the fact that hand selected parts were used at speeds way beyond the specifications, and the fact that a decision of "save a few bucks, or lose a fraction of a percent of performance" was always made in favour of performance). Later Crays had some moderate number of parallel processors, but still each single processor was extremely fast for its time. The company that _really_ went for parallel computers was Thinking Machines Corporation (of dubious Jurassic Park fame ;-). They started building a 65536 processor machine --- with bit sliced 1 bit processors. Really cool thing, but tremendously expensive. In the end, they built their machines on a (comparatively) small number of fast Sparc CPUs (I think the CM5 supported up to 4096 processors). This company understood a lot about parallel computers (as is evident if you watch one of their promotional videos), and still with the end of the cold war, they went under. Now if the same would happen to Intel with their Paragorn(sp?) monster.... Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: Manuel Timmers <starcorp@innet.be> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:22:51 +0100 (BST) Organization: StarLight Corp., Belgium, +32 3 238 52 45 Message-ID: <ant131451bbaWWT7@year0332.innet.be> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 In article <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com>, Glenn Saunders <URL:mailto:krishna@primenet.com> wrote: > Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to > use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about > 4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. We'll see about that in the future, won't we? > : fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that > : respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not > > StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be > minimal. Forget it! ...says the expert whom has never seen an Acorn desktop "home" computer. > : Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised > : what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). > > All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the > global mainstream computer industry. Acorn is a blip in computer history > and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine > than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is > dead. > 1) Mainstream is NOT necesarly good! 2) Maybe Acorn is a blip but this blip STILL excists while others, usually larger companies like Commodore, Atari, 3DO etc.. are gone! 3) Besides why should Acorn care about "trends" while they're only interested in "good (funky) computers" that fullfill needs not advertising bills. So maybe we are naive at least our systems work exceptionally good considering their humble specs. Try an Acorn as a home user before you comment. CU -- Manuel Timmers, StarLight Corp., email starcorp@innet.be Personal pages WWW-pages at http://www.club.innet.be/~year0332/ StarLight Corp. WWW-pages at http://www.whib.be/starcorp **** Acorn Risc OS Systems: Power to Smart People! ****
From: Christian.Colin@emn.fr (Christian Colin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Why was NewGrazer become so slow ? Date: 14 Apr 1997 09:10:38 GMT Organization: Ecole des Mines de Nantes Message-ID: <5issae$95m$1@wfn.emn.fr> Hi, I used NewsGazer 3.0 Version 77 since many months without any problem. But few days ago it was become very slow. When we select a newsgroup, we can see instantenously the numbers of news. But the display of their title is very slow : one or two seconds per new. All functions of NewsGrazer are slow until it finishes to decode all news. After that, it has a normal functioning. The change of newgrazer speed is appeared when we have made a release of our news server. We had before INN 1.4.x, and we have now INN 1.5.1. When we use others newsreader (for example Alexandra), we haven't any problem. So, the problem should come from a incompatibility between INN 1.5.1 and NewsGrazer. Does anyone have the same problem ? Does anyone know how to fix it ? Our configuration : - SPARC 5 with 64 Mo + NextStep 3.3 for sparc - NewsGazer 3.0 Version 77 - INN 1.5.1 (news server) Thanks in advance for your help. Christian __________________________________________________________________________ Christian Colin Departement Informatique - Ecole des Mines de Nantes 4, rue Alfred Kastler BP 20722 F-44307 Nantes Cedex 3 FRANCE TEL :(en France) 02 51 85 82 18 PHONE (outside France) : 33 2 51 85 82 07 E-mail : Christian.Colin@emn.fr WWW : http://www.emn.fr/dept_info/image __________________________________________________________________________
From: vamp@vamp.org Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NexTTV ? Date: 14 Apr 1997 01:07:51 -0700 Organization: http://www.vamp.org/ Message-ID: <y1lu3laf2nc.fsf@shell4.ba.best.com> References: <334D8E25.465D@interramp.com> Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> writes: > Where can one find NeXTTV, used to watch video on a NeXTDImension ? Its in /NextDeveloper/Demos/NeXTtv.app -- Ryan L. Watkins `silver moonbeams dance in fountains below shining citadels vamp@vamp.org surrounded by silver gates ascending silver stairs www.vamp.org eureka on angelic prayer wafts in and scents the air' -satb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "D. D. Brierton" <ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Subject: NS 3.3 and OS/Mach 4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3352CC7A.6B79@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Sender: cnews@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (C News Software) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Centre for Cogntive Science, University of Edinburgh Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:31:54 GMT In the NeXT web pages (http://www.next.com/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_Mach/OS_Mach.html) OS/Mach 4.1 is described as an upgrade to NS 3.3. Does that mean that if you want to install OS/Mach 4.1 you have to have NS 3.3 installed already? Or, can a first time NeXT purchaser simply buy OS/Mach 4.1? Plus, does anyone know what changes/improvements are likely to be in OS/Mach 4.2, or when it wil be released? Best, Darren -- // ================================================================== // // D. D. Brierton // // Centre for Cognitive Science mailto:ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk // // University of Edinburgh http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb // // // // "The juvenile sea squirt wanders through the sea searching for a // // suitable rock or hunk of coral to cling to and make its home for // // life. For this task, it has a rudimentary nervous system. When // // it finds its spot and takes root, it doesn't need its brain any- // // more, so it eats it! (It's rather like getting tenure.)" // // ---Daniel C. Dennett, Consciousness Explained // // ================================================================== //
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.3 and OS/Mach 4.1 Date: 14 Apr 1997 22:44:03 GMT Organization: Dental Records[tm] Message-ID: <5iubvj$6fj@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <3352CC7A.6B79@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Cc: ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk In <3352CC7A.6B79@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> "D. D. Brierton" wrote: > In the NeXT web pages > > (http://www.next.com/OPENSTEP/Products/OS_Mach/OS_Mach.html) > > OS/Mach 4.1 is described as an upgrade to NS 3.3. Does that mean that if > you want to install OS/Mach 4.1 you have to have NS 3.3 installed > already? Or, can a first time NeXT purchaser simply buy OS/Mach 4.1? > while the pricing may differ between a new install and an upgrade, the software works either way, as a clean install or an upgrade from 3.2, 3.3 and most likely previous versions as well. > Plus, does anyone know what changes/improvements are likely to be in > OS/Mach 4.2, or when it wil be released? > don't know that, probably performance tweaks and bug fixes mostly. haven't heard a firm release date yet, I would guess june-ish? say between the DR1 of Rhapsody (May, we hope) and 8.0 of MAC (July)? > Best, > > Darren -rick
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why was NewGrazer become so slow ? Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:29:35 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5iu43f$2s8$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5issae$95m$1@wfn.emn.fr> In-Reply-To: <5issae$95m$1@wfn.emn.fr> On 04/14/97, Christian Colin wrote: >Hi, > >I used NewsGazer 3.0 Version 77 since many months without any >problem. But few days ago it was become very slow. When we select >a newsgroup, we can see instantenously the numbers of news. But >the display of their title is very slow : one or two seconds >per new. All functions of NewsGrazer are slow until it finishes >to decode all news. After that, it has a normal functioning. > >The change of newgrazer speed is appeared when we have made a >release of our news server. We had before INN 1.4.x, and we have >now INN 1.5.1. When we use others newsreader (for example >Alexandra), we haven't any problem. So, the problem should come >from a incompatibility between INN 1.5.1 and NewsGrazer. > >Does anyone have the same problem ? >Does anyone know how to fix it ? > >Our configuration : > >- SPARC 5 with 64 Mo + NextStep 3.3 for sparc >- NewsGazer 3.0 Version 77 >- INN 1.5.1 (news server) > >Thanks in advance for your help. The problem is inn 1.5.1 most likely. INN now inserts a sleep before each ARTICLE is served. This was driving me CRAZY the other day, so I hunted up the config line in INN/config/config.data ## Do you want to make life easy for peers to pull feeds from you (it's ## harder on your machine). Pick DO or DONT. With DONT, you get a small ## sleep inserted before each ARTICLE command is processed. (With ## apologies to the Australians in the audience). #### =()<LIKE_PULLERS @<LIKE_PULLERS>@>()= LIKE_PULLERS DO If its DONT you get that delay. Recompile with it as DO.... unfortunately I had this set as DONT in the copy on Stepwise... I'll reset it if anyone is interested in downloading a working config.data.. its on Stepwise now.. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Soft power-down Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:01:18 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in the habit of turning off their computers everyday, there is potential for unintended disaster - not to mention a needless lengthy file system check the next time they boot. It would be a good idea for Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar to that found on HP workstations. What this does, is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of immediately shutting off the power, it executes a clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. --gh
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From: bonzo@aros.net (Bonzo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:09:08 -0600 Organization: ArosNet Inc. Message-ID: <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> In article <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net>, gh@smart.net wrote: > Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? > Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in > the habit of turning off their computers everyday, > there is potential for unintended disaster - not to > mention a needless lengthy file system check the > next time they boot. It would be a good idea for > Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar > to that found on HP workstations. What this does, > is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of > immediately shutting off the power, it executes a > clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. > > --gh Macs have had this for years.
From: fdonzel@tin.it (C.E.D. F. DONZELLI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HW/SW Dealers & Manufacturers urgently wanted. Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 05:04:34 GMT Organization: Telecom Italia - Video On Line Message-ID: <5iv2pc$98s@everest.vol.it> * *************English version available upon request.****************** * INVITO A TUTTE LE AZIENDE INDUSTRIALI E COMMERCIALI OPERANTI NEL SETTORE DELL'HARDWARE & SOFTWARE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C.E.D. - CENTRO ELABORAZIONE DATI F. DONZELLI - Comiso, RG, ITALY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- La ns. Azienda, operante nel campo dei servizi telematici, ha deciso di collegare in Videoconferenza via-Internet ISDN la sua Sede principale e altre cinque sedi periferiche in Italia e all'estero. Nella sede principale, vorremmo installare n. 3 terminali che, pilotati da un'unica unita' centrale, possano intrattenere tre sessioni di videoconferenza con le sedi periferiche in modo assolutamente indipendente ciascuno dagli altri. In sintesi, tre persone devono poter effettuare ciascuno il proprio collegamento, con una diversa sede periferica, nello stesso momento. Sarebbe come avere tre PC collegati a tre linee ISDN diverse, ma noi vorremmo fare tutto utilizzando un'unica linea telefonica, un'unica unita' centrale, un unico modem e tre terminali video, opportunamente equipaggiati con telecamera, microfono, casse acustiche ed eventuali cuffie. I tre terminali verranno utilizzati solo per questo scopo, per cui non ci interessa che siano necessariamente dotati di tastiera, mouse, ecc., ma devono poter prevedere questa possibilita' per il futuro. L'unita' centrale verra' sistemata al piano terra della ns. sede, mentre i tre terminali saranno alloggiati in tre stanze al primo piano. Agli OPeratori interessati chiediamo: - di confermarci la fattibilita' del ns. progetto o, se opportuno, quali sono le modifiche da apportare e per quale motivo; - di segnalarci quali dei Vs. prodotti (HW e SW) ci renderanno possibile la realizzazione nel modo ottimale; con l'occasione, sottolineamo che la Vs. offerta dovra' riferirsi a prodotto finito e perfettamente funzionante, per cui i prezzi che ci proporrete potranno comprendere anche i vari pacchetti software, qualora Vi sia possibile; - qualora non foste nella possibilita' di fornirci tutto l'HW/SW occorrente, Vi preghiamo di segnalarci quali componenti o applicazioni che noi dovremo reperire altrove sono compatibili con i sistemi da Voi forniti; - di informarci riguardo alla compatibilita' tra i Vs. sistemi ed altri eventualmente utilizzati da altre persone o societa' con cui eventualmente dovessimo collegarci, sempre via-Internet ISDN, in videoconferenza (es.: ns. collaboratori, clienti, fornitori, ecc.); - qualcuno ci ha accennato ai "radio modem"; potreste dirci cosa sono esattamente, per quali usi possono essere impiegati e, quindi, se possono prestarsi al caso in questione? - di farci pervenire (CON LA MASSIMA URGENZA!!!) la Vs. proposta/offerta a mezzo e-mail e, contemporaneamente, tramite posta o corriere, unitamente a cataloghi, schede tecniche e listini. Le offerte dovranno pervenire via e-mail e, contemporaneamente, dovranno essere spedite a mezzo espresso (postale o corriere) a: C.E.D. Federico Donzelli Via San Biagio, 86/s I-97013 COMISO (RG) Tel.: ++39-932-966.603 Fax: ++39-932-966.603 E-mail: fdonzel@tin.it
From: lfh@pilot.njin.net (Luis Hernandez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Get OS 4.1 or stick with 3.3? Date: 15 Apr 1997 04:12:28 -0400 Organization: Rutgers University Message-ID: <5ivd9c$69a@pilot.njin.net> Hello, Getting a NeXT Station soon and I wanted to know if it's worth it to wait till I find a system with 4.1 installed or just stick with a readily available system with 3.3? What are the advantages of 4.1 over 3.3? Also, what's included in the OS 4.1 Academic bundle? Please reply to cjabido@npl.org since I don't know when this account will die. Thanks! Carl Jabido cjabido@npl.org Newark Public Library
From: "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:08:12 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernd Meyer wrote: > > Now if the same would happen to Intel with their Paragorn(sp?) monster.... Are you talking about that 9,000 + cpu monster Intel patched together with spit and a prayer, the one they referenced when making the "Intel Breaks the One Billion operations per second Barrier" public relations claim? If so, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It wasn't anything but a silly public relations gimmick anyway...:) I daresay a parallel mainframe would take up a lot less room than the 2500 or so quad-processored desktops Intel chained together for that little inane song and dance...:) Intel is perpetually paranoid, after all. They put this thing together in response to AMD's K6!....:) (not!) John
From: bayko@borealis.cs.uregina.ca (John Bayko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Why Crays are fast Date: 15 Apr 1997 02:52:13 GMT Organization: University of Regina, Dept. of Computer Science Message-ID: <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> In article <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au>, Bernd Meyer <bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> wrote: > >[...] The thing that >made early Crays fast was that they were vector processors with very well >designed pipelines (oh, and the fact that hand selected parts were used >at speeds way beyond the specifications, and the fact that a decision of >"save a few bucks, or lose a fraction of a percent of performance" was >always made in favour of performance). Later Crays had some moderate >number of parallel processors, but still each single processor was extremely >fast for its time. In fact, performance was first even when it was thousands of bucks on the line. The result being that the later Crays (*real* Crays, designed by Cray himself) contained technology that you could easilly believe was teleported from ten years in the future. According to one ex-Cray Computers employee, they were using coaxial 'cables' on the Cray 4 that could fit through the eye of a needle. The entire gallium arsenide CPU (which would have been the most powerful on earth, had they had the money to just plug it in) fit in a 3D package the size of a paperback book. Seymore Cray was one man who had the ability to make the impossible work, and make it seem easy at the same time. He felt that the next big step in computers would involve biological assembly. It sounds like SF, but I really expect he would have made it work. Of course, it was all sold off as scrap when the company came up short of money by almost the exact cost of a Cray T-90 - which ironically, his *previous* company (Cray Research) made a big sale for shortly before his current one (Cray Computer Corporation) folded - even though the Cray 3 was still faster, and the Cray 4 would have left both in the dust. But that's the way things go, isn't it? -- John Bayko (Tau). bayko@cs.uregina.ca http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~bayko
From: kalico@txdirect.net (Kalico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 15 Apr 1997 09:04:37 GMT Organization: K.I.L. Message-ID: <kalico-ya023580001803970306550001@news.swbell.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Macintosh Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com>, "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > Now if the same would happen to Intel with their Paragorn(sp?) monster.... > Are you talking about that 9,000 + cpu monster Intel patched together > with spit and a prayer, the one they referenced when making the "Intel > Breaks the One Billion operations per second Barrier" public relations > claim? SGI used the R10,000 ( the almost named T-5 chip ) which runs *just* under 1 BIP. Is that chip obsolete yet?
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 15 Apr 1997 16:07:38 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5iv5va$u6@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> writes: >Bernd Meyer wrote: >> Now if the same would happen to Intel with their Paragorn(sp?) monster.... >Are you talking about that 9,000 + cpu monster Intel patched together >with spit and a prayer, the one they referenced when making the "Intel >Breaks the One Billion operations per second Barrier" public relations >claim? That's the one. Though the "billion" was an (American) trillion, i.e. 10^12. A _billion_ (10^9) instructions per second is what any half decent single CPU ALPHA can do. >If so, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It wasn't anything but a >silly public relations gimmick anyway...:) Well, I wouldn't mind building such a gimmick myself, if the US defense department pays several megabucks for it ;-) Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Dehmel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 15 Apr 1997 13:18:20 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ivv6s$3du@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <E8K59M.F0G@ecf.toronto.edu> bjl@ecf.toronto.edu (Brian Lee) writes: >In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, >Andreas Dehmel <dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> wrote: >>I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >>mean that, at any rate. >>Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd >>do that if it weren't worthwhile. >By MPP, they usually mean over 500 or more processors? I've seen an >Intel machine with over 8000. The SGI's have up to 36 last time I >looked, that's why you can still use a shared bus. I didn't mean to say the RealityMonster was MPP - just to make a point that 4 processors is not the limit at all. And the kind of processor that goes into this monster is not exactly easy on any bus... >>For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >>[...] Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >>at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. >I guess this is true if you have a big cache. otherwise, with a bunch >of CPUs constantly accessing memory at say, 50M/second, you'll be in big >trouble... Not if each one sits on its own bus and communicates via message transfer. That was the entire point of the above paragraph. >you can't exactly say that buying a MPP is main stream either at the >moment... If we were all following mainstream we'd all have Wintel boxes on our desks. It's important to try new things. Parallel processing is not new, but parallel processing for the home user is. Same as when Acorn built the first Arc RISC wasn't new but RISC for the home user was. Sadly it still was 7 years later when Apple claimed to have been the first to do it... Andreas
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:58:10 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> In article <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca>, bayko@borealis.cs.uregina.ca (John Bayko) wrote: > even though the Cray 3 was still faster, and the Cray 4 would have left > both in the dust. But that's the way things go, isn't it? Another way to look at the lineup is just to look at "comparable specs" against modern PC's. For instance, I once saw a Cray 1 as being able to process the equivalent of 150 MIPS. Not bad, even a good PC can barely touch that. Of course it seems more interesting when you consider that it was built in 1975. At that time PC CPU's were in the micro-MIP range. Maury
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From: kummer@pogo.den.mmc.com (Jim Kummer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:25:06 -0700 Organization: Lockheed Martin Message-ID: <kummer-ya023580001504971725060001@news.den.mmc.com> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net>, gh@smart.net wrote: > Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? > Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in > the habit of turning off their computers everyday, When you shut down your Mac, you first engage the menu item 'Special/ShutDown', which does *exactly* what you suggest. Then you power off the machine. If there are any files open with pending changes not saved, you will be prompted to SAVE before the application is closed. This has been a feature of Macintoshes for years, probably before HP had it on its workstations. -- JimK -- Jim Kummer - Computer Systems Engineer | Lockheed Martin Corp | -- kummer@pogo.ast.lmco.com | Astronautics Sector, Denver| (standard disclaimer applies) => "Opinions expressed are mine alone"
From: "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:26:48 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <3353F298.C9DCCE0D@ix.netcom.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <5iv5va$u6@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernd Meyer wrote: > > Well, I wouldn't mind building such a gimmick myself, if the US defense > department pays several megabucks for it ;-) Let's hope they are prepared to spend megabucks to administer and support it after the megabuck sale...:)
From: Wulf Hofbauer <wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:53:21 +0200 Organization: Max-Volmer-Institut, TU Berlin Message-ID: <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maury Markowitz wrote: > Of course it seems more interesting when you consider that it > was built in 1975. At that time PC CPU's were in the micro-MIP range. Huh? A standard 1 MHz 6502 (1975 vintage, $25 when it was introduced) can achieve up to 0.5 MIPS. Micro-MIPS (what acronym... better say IPS) are more appropriate for electromechanical CPUs in the pre-WW2 era. - Wulf -- ________________________________________________________ ! Dipl. Phys. Wulf Hofbauer (wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de) ! ! Max-Volmer-Institut Technische Universitaet Berlin ! ! Strasse des 17. Juni 135 10623 Berlin Germany ! !________________________________________________________!
From: Steve Weintz <indy@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NexTTV ? Date: 15 Apr 1997 21:51:13 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <5j0t8h$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <334D8E25.465D@interramp.com> Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> wrote: : Where can one find NeXTTV, used to watch video on a NeXTDImension ? : TIA. NeXTtv came with NS 2.1-3.2 User, in /NeXTDeveloper/Demos. Later versions of the OS (NS 3.3, OS 4.x) don't have it. I can mail ti to you, if you can receive attachments. - Steve Weintz * indy@is.com * http://www.is.com/Users/indy Graphic Designer * Integrity Solutions, Inc. * NeXTMail, MIME mail OK "And you two?" "We stampeded cattle." "That's not very criminal." "Through the Vatican?" "Kink-y..." -- Blazing Saddles
From: David Andel <da_vid@next_to_you.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NexTTV ? Date: 16 Apr 1997 13:03:55 GMT Organization: NEXTTOYOU (http://www.nexttoyou.de) Message-ID: <5j2inr$cip@hal.nexttoyou.de> References: <5j0t8h$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <5j0t8h$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Steve Weintz <indy@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu> writes: [...] > NeXTtv came with NS 2.1-3.2 User, in /NeXTDeveloper/Demos. Later versions > of the OS (NS 3.3, OS 4.x) don't have it. Not true. The path on the NEXTSTEP 3.3 user CD is: /NEXTSTEP_3.3/NextDeveloper/Demos/NeXTtv.app -- David Andel NEXTTOYOU Magazine -> remove all "_" from my address to email me <-
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:30:02 -0400 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-1604971130020001@199.166.204.230> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> In article <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de>, Wulf Hofbauer <wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> wrote: > Huh? A standard 1 MHz 6502 (1975 vintage, $25 when it was introduced) > can achieve up to 0.5 MIPS. Micro-MIPS (what acronym... better say IPS) > are more appropriate for electromechanical CPUs in the pre-WW2 era. Ok ok, centimips then. Maury
From: Christopher Howland <chris@middlemarch.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Blank screen Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:51:35 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <33553BD7.308A@middlemarch.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used NetInfo to change my computers IP address. I also changed the computer's name, net mask, broadcast, and nextdefault gateway addresses. After rebooting the computer, when I log in, the Workspace Manager does not come up. The background color is there, and the mouse pointer is there (and able to move it around), but there are no windows, just the blank backspace color. How can I correctly reset the machine, and how do I shutdown the machine cleanly if I reach this position again? --gh
From: swestin@dsg145.nad.ford.com (Stephen Westin ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Message-ID: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> In-reply-to: Wulf Hofbauer's message of Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:53:21 +0200 In article <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> Wulf Hofbauer <wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> writes: > Maury Markowitz wrote: > > Of course it seems more interesting when you consider that it > > was built in 1975. At that time PC CPU's were in the micro-MIP range. > > Huh? A standard 1 MHz 6502 (1975 vintage, $25 when it was introduced) > can achieve up to 0.5 MIPS. Micro-MIPS (what acronym... better say IPS) > are more appropriate for electromechanical CPUs in the pre-WW2 era. I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 KFLOPS level. -- -Stephen H. Westin swestin@ford.com The information and opinions in this message are mine, not Ford's.
From: jimfitch@community.net (Jim Fitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 00:10:57 -0700 Organization: Digital America Message-ID: <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net>, bonzo@aros.net (Bonzo) wrote: >In article <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net>, gh@smart.net wrote: > >> Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? >> Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in >> the habit of turning off their computers everyday, >> there is potential for unintended disaster - not to >> mention a needless lengthy file system check the >> next time they boot. It would be a good idea for >> Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar >> to that found on HP workstations. What this does, >> is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of >> immediately shutting off the power, it executes a >> clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. >> >> --gh > > >Macs have had this for years. Not all of them. The 61XX line, for example. A very bad decision by Apple IMHO. -- Jim Fitch jimfitch@community.net I'd tell you to go to hell, but I work there and I don't want to see you every day.
From: D.F. <frakes@gseis.ucla.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: 16 Apr 1997 20:33:24 GMT Organization: . Distribution: world Message-ID: <5j3d2k$1s9k@uni.library.ucla.edu> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> Jim Fitch, jimfitch@community.net writes: >Not all of them. The 61XX line, for example. A very bad decision by Apple IMHO. Actually, the 61xx line does have it. The only difference is that you have to physically turn off the power after the "soft" shut down, where on other models the power is turned off automatically. But all the PowerMacs have "soft" power down. Dan frakes@kagi.com The InformInit Mac User 5-Mice, MacWorld Online Pick, AOL MUT Shareware of the Year <http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/DEF/InformInit.html> Version 1.4, covering System 7.6.1, coming soon...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Message-ID: <root.0o28@sweetdreams.lahn.de> From: mbethke@sweetdreams.lahn.de (Matthias Bethke) Organization: Sweet Dreams BBS Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 01:01:52 MES-2 References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> RFC1036/822 apg.lahn.de [UNIX/Connect v0.75-t1] In article <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> nobody@txdirect.net (Don't mail me!) writes: > The Cray Supercomputers made exclusive use of this method. Most pc > companies are trying to make it affordable; certainly there is a need > for it. > > But Cray has been doing it for over a decade, and their fastest cpu only > ran at 33Mhz. Yeah, a decade ago it did. Since then they have been leading edge in UHF processor stuff, sometimes making parts in GaAs-technology to drive clock frequencies even higher. They put more emphasis on CPU clock and vector processors than parallelism, their machines usually have ~16 CPUs. bye! Matthias -- GMC/O d-- s+: a-- C+++>$ BU+ P+ L+ E- W+@ N++ o+ K? w--- !O M V- PS+++ PE-- Y+ PGP>+ t 5 X- R tv- b++ DI D--- G e+ h r- y+
From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Black Mitsubishi Monitor on Millenium and PCs Date: 16 Apr 1997 21:29:16 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5j3gbc$9ip$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> What is involved in connecting the 20" Mitshubishi monitor on a PC with a Millenium card? Any cable needed (spliter etc?) Any dangers associated? Will the monitor accomodate the scanning rates from the Video Card? What scanning rates these would have to be? Any good thoughts? Thanks all for your kinf responses --john ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2189 or -2165 | | Naval Research Laboratory | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Code 6380 |e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil| | Washington DC 20375-5000 | michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil|
From: Steve Weintz <indy@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Follow Up on Wacom Tablet Woes Date: 15 Apr 1997 21:53:35 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <5j0tcv$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> <5im2i1$jrf$3@msunews.cl.msu.edu> rencsok@channelu.com wrote: : Could that ND Turbo have been a ADB ND Turbo? That might make : a difference. I too have been contemplating purchasing a Wacom : but I want it to work on a SGI and a ADB Turbo ND. (even if it means : me cobbling a second serial connector with right pinouts) The problem : was what the exact differences are between the MAC ADB and the : PC Wacom, beyond the serial pinouts. If anyone knows (Steve Weintz : are you out there... I know you have SGI's and NeXT's.. Do you have : a Wacom?) Hi Randy? No, alas, I don't have a tablet -- it's one of those doodads I've wanted to get for years, but there was always [x] that demanded my time and cash...I corresponded with a guy at Wolfram Research who used a Wacom tablet with his black hardware; I'll see if I can't find the old mail. -- Steve Weintz * indy@is.com * http://www.is.com/Users/indy Graphic Designer * Integrity Solutions, Inc. * NeXTMail, MIME mail OK "And you two?" "We stampeded cattle." "That's not very criminal." "Through the Vatican?" "Kink-y..." -- Blazing Saddles
From: "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:32:16 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <3353F3E0.8B2446C7@ix.netcom.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <kalico-ya023580001803970306550001@news.swbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kalico wrote: > > SGI used the R10,000 ( the almost named T-5 chip ) which runs *just* under > 1 BIP. Is that chip obsolete yet? I was wrong on the benchmark numbers Intel used. They reported a TRILLION operations a second. I have no idea, though, what the benchmark itself tested or consisted of...:)
From: bonzo@aros.net (Bonzo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:33:22 -0600 Organization: ArosNet Inc. Message-ID: <bonzo-1604971533220001@dm3-36.slc.aros.net> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> > >> Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? > >> Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in > >> the habit of turning off their computers everyday, > >> there is potential for unintended disaster - not to > >> mention a needless lengthy file system check the > >> next time they boot. It would be a good idea for > >> Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar > >> to that found on HP workstations. What this does, > >> is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of > >> immediately shutting off the power, it executes a > >> clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. > >> > >> --gh > > > > > >Macs have had this for years. > > Not all of them. The 61XX line, for example. A very bad decision by Apple IMHO. No, some models did NOT have it, but any model that supported soft power on/off had the shutdown routine he was asking about, which is what I meant. In fact, I cant figure out what he is thinking, Macs always do what he suggests, whether you have to manual shut the power off when its done, or whether it shuts it off for you.
From: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Screen won't dim at login panel Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:05:41 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland Student Body Message-ID: <33554D2B.7726@BellAtlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just upgraded from NS 3.0 to NS 3.2 and now the screens on both of my NeXTs won't dim while at the login panel. I've searched the online documentation but I can't find any way to get the screen to dim. Does anyone know how to make the login screen automatically dim itself if NS 3.2? - Jeff Dutky
From: Eric Jacobs <no@no.no> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:34:56 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <33556220.584B@no.no> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <bonzo-1404972209080001@dm3-23.slc.aros.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> <bonzo-1604971533220001@dm3-36.slc.aros.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bonzo wrote: > > > >> Will new PowerMacs have a soft power-down feature? > > >> Since most Mac users and Mac computer labs are in > > >> the habit of turning off their computers everyday, > > >> there is potential for unintended disaster - not to > > >> mention a needless lengthy file system check the > > >> next time they boot. It would be a good idea for > > >> Apple to implement a soft power-down feature similar > > >> to that found on HP workstations. What this does, > > >> is when you hit the on/off switch, instead of > > >> immediately shutting off the power, it executes a > > >> clean shutdown first, then shuts off the power. > > >> > > >> --gh > > > > > > > > >Macs have had this for years. > > > > Not all of them. The 61XX line, for example. A very bad decision by > Apple IMHO. > > No, some models did NOT have it, but any model that supported soft power > on/off had the shutdown routine he was asking about, which is what I > meant. In fact, I cant figure out what he is thinking, Macs always do what > he suggests, whether you have to manual shut the power off when its done, > or whether it shuts it off for you. He's referring to the power-off capability of the triangle button. Using the triangle button to power on has been around, yes, and so has choosing Shut Down from the menu to turn off the power, but using the triangle to power off the computer hasn't been around that long. -ej
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Message-ID: <E8r80G.Dvn@cwi.nl> Sender: news@cwi.nl (The Daily Dross) Organization: CWI, Amsterdam References: <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:31:28 GMT In article <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> swestin@dsg145.nad.ford.com (Stephen Westin ) writes: > I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 > MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the > MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in > one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. The Cray-1 could do 80 MIPS (12.5 nanosecond clock, one instruction per cycle). -- dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131 home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/
From: Patrick Bartek <bartek@skylink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 16 Apr 1997 15:17:15 -0800 Organization: NoLife Polymath Group Message-ID: <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> On 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 Stephen Westin wrote about "Re: Why Crays are fas": > I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 > MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the > MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in > one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. > > The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 > KFLOPS level. Stephen, Want to hear fast. Got these numbers from a PBS show on supercomputers. Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. -- Patrick Bartek bartek@skylink.net
Date: 15 Apr 1997 10:05:59 EST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <cancel.5iv2pc$98s@everest.vol.it> Control: cancel <5iv2pc$98s@everest.vol.it> From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: fdonzel@tin.it (C.E.D. F. DONZELLI) Subject: cmsg cancel <5iv2pc$98s@everest.vol.it> EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19970415.09 for further details
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 16 Apr 1997 22:39:49 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5j2hal$1sv@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> Wulf Hofbauer <wh@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> writes: >Maury Markowitz wrote: >> Of course it seems more interesting when you consider that it >> was built in 1975. At that time PC CPU's were in the micro-MIP range. >Huh? A standard 1 MHz 6502 (1975 vintage, $25 when it was introduced) >can achieve up to 0.5 MIPS. Micro-MIPS (what acronym... better say IPS) >are more appropriate for electromechanical CPUs in the pre-WW2 era. Not that there were all that many pre-WW2 CPUs, of course. Working ones could be counted on the thingers of one head ;-) Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: cdb@precipice.com (christopher borden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Follow Up on Wacom Tablet Woes Date: 17 Apr 1997 01:20:18 GMT Message-ID: <5j3tsi$ks@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <5ih3uf$h5m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> <5im2i1$jrf$3@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <5j0tcv$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Cc: indy@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu In <5j0tcv$cit@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Steve Weintz wrote: > rencsok@channelu.com wrote: > : Could that ND Turbo have been a ADB ND Turbo? That might make > : a difference. I too have been contemplating purchasing a Wacom > : but I want it to work on a SGI and a ADB Turbo ND. (even if it means > : me cobbling a second serial connector with right pinouts) The problem > : was what the exact differences are between the MAC ADB and the > : PC Wacom, beyond the serial pinouts. If anyone knows (Steve Weintz > : are you out there... I know you have SGI's and NeXT's.. Do you have > : a Wacom?) > > Hi Randy? No, alas, I don't have a tablet -- it's one of those > doodads I've wanted to get for years, but there was always [x] that > demanded my time and cash...I corresponded with a guy at Wolfram Research > who used a Wacom tablet with his black hardware; I'll see if I can't > find the old mail. > > thanks steve, i'm the one having trouble getting going with his (borrowed) wacom tablet, who started this (recent) strain. be great to be able to ask x, y or z at wolfram how to. chris borden
From: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fixing a NeXT laser printer Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:35:24 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland Student Body Message-ID: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a NeXT level 2 laser 400 dpi laser printer that doesn't feed paper from the paper tray correctly. The paper is grabbed and pulled in a fraction of an inch and then stops. The NeXT then reports that the paper is jammed in the printer. Does anyone know of a FAQ sheet that discusses maintenance of the NeXT laser printer, or who I can contact to get the printer fixed? - Jeff Dutky
From: fischer@fokus.gmd.de (Robert Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen won't dim at login panel Date: 17 Apr 1997 07:55:43 GMT Organization: GMD-FOKUS Message-ID: <5j4l1v$bno@stern.fokus.gmd.de> References: <33554D2B.7726@BellAtlantic.net> "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> writes > I just upgraded from NS 3.0 to NS 3.2 and now the screens on both > of my NeXTs won't dim while at the login panel. I've searched the > online documentation but I can't find any way to get the screen to > dim. Does anyone know how to make the login screen automatically > dim itself if NS 3.2? > > - Jeff Dutky Look into 'man loginwindow' for some options. On NS 3.3 the screensaver preferences are settable using Preferences.app. I don't know whether its the same with NS3.2. Nevertheless by commandline 'root' may do the following: dwrite loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled Yes dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim 60 You have to restart the window server to put these changes into effect (type 'exit' as username, no password). Et voila, Robert -- --- - .-. -- -- --- / \ ---- Robert Fischer .-. / \ --- .-. __o .-. @ / \ / \ / \ _`\<,_ / \ GMD-Fokus / \ / \ / \ (*)/ (*) / `-------------- / `---' `-' `-----------'
From: torbenm@diku.dk (Torben AEgidius Mogensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Look out! Somebody injected real facts into the CPU religious war! Date: 10 Apr 1997 09:31:19 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Sender: torbenm@thor.diku.dk Message-ID: <5iic17$ouu@vidar.diku.dk> References: <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb1n$mre@usenet.pa.dec.com> <5ieat4$kom@lace.colorado.edu> <5if0l6$7mp@camel3.mindspring.com> <334B5601.48ED@web.nih.gov> Ben Bauer <bauer@web.nih.gov> writes: >By late summer various Mac vendors will have 410Mhz systems in stock. >What do you think the CPU comparisons will look like then? If you are thinking about the Exponential PPC chips, they are (from what I have heard) not very fast compared to the clock speed. They mainly have a problem with the memory subsystem, which means that they spend a lot of time waiting for memory. While they are supposed to be cheaper than Alphas at equivalent clock rates, this is mainly a marketing issue. I believe DEC could lower the prices of Alphas by quite a lot if they thought this would lead to greatly increased sales. In other words, DEC (probably) have a fairly high margin on Alphas compared to StrongARMs. Torben Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk)
From: Nicholas Kitchener <kitchenern@logica.ANTISPAM.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 17 Apr 1997 11:43:07 GMT Organization: Logica UK Message-ID: <5j52cb$kda@romeo.logica.co.uk> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Patrick Bartek <bartek@skylink.net> wrote: >On 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 Stephen Westin wrote about "Re: Why Crays are fas": > >> I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 >> MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the >> MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in >> one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. >> >> The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 >> KFLOPS level. > > >Stephen, > >Want to hear fast. Got these numbers from a PBS show on supercomputers. > >Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. Hi all, I've found this lurrrvely test from xx.. By compiling via GCC with the following command line: gcc -c second_c.c -o second_c.o gcc stream_d.c -o stream -LGCC:o.gcc -IGCC: second_c.o It compiles no hassles. Some selected results from the "standard" set showing a good mix of SUN/SGI/Mac/PC.. Figures in MB/sec. Machine ID ncpus COPY SCALE ADD TRIAD ------------------------------------------------------------------ Cray_T932_321024-3E 32 310721.0 302182.0 359841.0 359270.0 Sun_Ultra_Ent_10000 63 6307.0 6391.0 7203.0 7197.0 SGI_Origin_2000_2 32 5308.0 6534.0 6465.0 6539.0 Intel_Alder_Pentium_Pr 1 140.0 140.0 163.9 167.6 Apple_Mac_7500-150 1 96.0 96.0 106.7 106.7 Sun_SS20---- 1 55.2 56.0 59.7 57.0 SGI_Indigo 1 36.9 34.3 36.0 36.0 Dell_486_DX-2-66 1 33.3 16.5 22.0 18.8 Apple_Mac_6300 1 24.5 24.5 25.1 25.1 Acorn RiscPC710 (no fpu) 1 16.1 0.9 1.4 1.0 Me thinks that 16MHz bus kills the performance.. not to mention the lack of FPU.(any one want to an native assembler version?) Nick. +- Nicholas Kitchener, Software Engineer, Logica UK _kitchenern@logica.com____http://www.logica.com_ Complete results output: ------------------------------------------------------------- This system uses 8 bytes per DOUBLE PRECISION word. ------------------------------------------------------------- Array size = 1000000, Offset = 0 Total memory required = 22.8 MB. Each test is run 10 times, but only the *best* time for each is used. ------------------------------------------------------------- Your clock granularity/precision appears to be 9998 microseconds. Each test below will take on the order of 13620002 microseconds. (= 1362 clock ticks) Increase the size of the arrays if this shows that you are not getting at least 20 clock ticks per test. ------------------------------------------------------------- WARNING -- The above is only a rough guideline. For best results, please be sure you know the precision of your system timer. ------------------------------------------------------------- Function Rate (MB/s) RMS time Min time Max time Copy: 16.1617 1.0000 0.9900 1.0000 Scale: 0.9714 16.6947 16.4700 17.5200 Add: 1.4243 16.9201 16.8500 17.0200 Triad: 1.0029 24.1945 23.9300 25.1200
From: Nicholas Kitchener <kitchenern@logica.ANTISPAM.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: 17 Apr 1997 11:47:37 GMT Organization: Logica UK Message-ID: <5j52kp$kda@romeo.logica.co.uk> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <5j52cb$kda@romeo.logica.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops forgot to state where this bits came from.. http://www.cs.virginia.edu/stream/ Nick. +- Nicholas Kitchener, Software Engineer, Logica UK _kitchenern@logica.com____http://www.logica.com_ Please remove ANTISPAM on replying via email, any junk mail will be bounced to your postmaster. Defense: Q: Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods? A: No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.
From: Andy Champ <achamp@axe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:48:03 +0100 Organization: Rockwell Collins (UK) Ltd Message-ID: <33561C03.FAA@axe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a comment on British marketing methods that none of you have heard of the ICL DAP (distributed array processor)- now spun off to Active Memory Technologies. That had an array of 1024 bit-slice processors back before I joined them - I'd guess first built ca 1972, but I can't be sure. Problem with it was it needed a special language, a FORTRAN variant with explicit parallelism. Oh, and an ICL 2900 mainframe.. Andy
From: chk@deimos.frii.com (Christian Kuhtz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fixing a NeXT laser printer Date: 16 Apr 97 16:27:51 GMT Organization: Front Range Internet, Inc. Message-ID: <chk.861208071@deimos.frii.com> References: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> writes: >I have a NeXT level 2 laser 400 dpi laser printer that doesn't >feed paper from the paper tray correctly. The paper is grabbed >and pulled in a fraction of an inch and then stops. The NeXT >then reports that the paper is jammed in the printer. Does anyone >know of a FAQ sheet that discusses maintenance of the NeXT >laser printer, or who I can contact to get the printer fixed? I had that exact problem here a while back.. solution was easy: Went to my local office supply store and bought a pack of laser printer paper (not the stuff that's a mix between very absorbing ink jet and laser paper) and have never had problems since. Make sure that when you put paper into the cartridge, you don't bend the edges. Also, "thumbing" thru the stack sometimes helps to open the sheets a little bit. NeXTprinters appear to be very picky about the type of paper fed. Mine will not eat regular xerox paper. Cheers, Chris -- Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com> (work) <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> (home) Paranet, Inc. http://www.paranet.com/ "Humbly speaking for myself only."
From: CJT <cjt@swbell.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:52:44 -0700 Organization: individual Message-ID: <33568D9C.490E@swbell.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <33561C03.FAA@axe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Andy Champ <achamp@axe.rcuk.cca.rockwell.com> Andy Champ wrote: > > It's a comment on British marketing methods that none of you have heard > of the ICL DAP (distributed array processor)- now spun off to Active > Memory Technologies. That had an array of 1024 bit-slice processors > back before I joined them - I'd guess first built ca 1972, but I can't > be sure. > Problem with it was it needed a special language, a FORTRAN variant with > explicit parallelism. Oh, and an ICL 2900 mainframe.. > > Andy Huh? Not only have I heard of it, I've actually SEEN one! But what does this have to do with any of the groups to which it's posted?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: jbg@sdc.cs.boeing.com (Jim Glidewell) Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Message-ID: <jbg-1704971332050001@192.42.11.161> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: The Boeing Company References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:16:11 GMT Here are my observations on the subject question/observation: Cray's vector machines are fast because: Fast clock cycle - 12.5 nanoseconds then, 2 nanoseconds now Vector registers - 64 or 128 64-bit elements each in 8 seperate vector registers Vector instructions - two vector registers can be added/multiplied/etc. with a single instruction. Multiple functional units - separate and independent functional units for vector and scalar math and logical functions. The T90 series CPUs have over a dozen such units, some with multiple pipes. Pipelining - the vector arithmetic units are pipelined. When multiplying the contents of 2 vector registers, the result of the first pair of elements takes N cycles, but subsequent results are delivered at one per cycle. Chaining - When doing a vector calculation like d[i] = a[i] * b[i] + c[i], the machine does not wait until all 64/128 vector elements of a*b are completed, but begins using the a[1]*b[1] product as soon as it is available. Large, fast real memory - fast chips, large number of banks, 64 bit word length. Cray-1 had 1 MW (8 Mbytes) of memory, T90 series supports 512 MW (or more). No cache, no virtual, just large memory with a very large memory bandwidth. Multiple CPUs - up to 32 on the T90 series. Most of these features were included in the Cray-1, introduced nearly 20 years ago. Benchmark numbers can be highly misleading. Much of the scientific and engineering tasks for which Crays are heavily used require both number crunching and fast access to a large memory space. Many processors are capable of generating a large number of MFLOPS (Millions of Floating Point Operations Per Second) when working just register to register or when working on data which can be completely contained within their cache. For the most part, these machines hit a wall immediately when the data starts overflowing cache. Cray's careful design of their memory subsystem allows effective use of the full memory space by multiple CPUs without unduly strangling processing due to memory constraints. Note that many of the above features have been adopted by both workstation and PC processors over the years (fast clock, multiple functional units, pipelining). What is remarkable is that one man was responsible for devising and/or bringing so many innovations to the marketplace in the first place. Thanks, Seymour. -- Jim Glidewell jbg@sdc.cs.boeing.com My opinions only. P.S. Apologies for the wide cross-post.
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 16 Apr 1997 13:46:49 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5j1i39$1fs@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <5iv5va$u6@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <3353F298.C9DCCE0D@ix.netcom.com> "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> writes: >Bernd Meyer wrote: >> Well, I wouldn't mind building such a gimmick myself, if the US defense >> department pays several megabucks for it ;-) >Let's hope they are prepared to spend megabucks to administer and >support it after the megabuck sale...:) Yes, of course. And guess who would have the expertise to land that support contract ;-) Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: jstevens@samoyed.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (John Stevens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 17 Apr 1997 23:51:04 GMT Organization: USDA/NRCS Information Technology Center Message-ID: <slrn5lda69.5lo.jstevens@samoyed.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> On 11 Apr 1997 00:02:01 -0700, Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> wrote: >The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: >: But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems >: will be dead in a couple of years. >: (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that > >Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. You say this like it is the only possible architechture. What about MIMD, either synchronous or not? John S.
From: george@mech.seas.upenn.edu ( George Jefferson ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: 17 Apr 1997 18:26:39 GMT Organization: Mechanical Engineering Message-ID: <5j5q0v$bh0@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> <bonzo-1604971533220001@dm3-36.slc.aros.net> <33556220.584B@no.no> Originator: george@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu :He's referring to the power-off capability of the triangle button. Using :the triangle button to power on has been around, yes, and so has :choosing Shut Down from the menu to turn off the power, but using the :triangle to power off the computer hasn't been around that long. since we're all guessing about what he meant..I thought he wanted an idiot proof setup that would nicely power down even if you reach around to the power button on the back of the box. I think it would be easy enough to fabricate a cover of sorts for the switch on a lab mac if thats the point..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.unix.unixware,misc.security,sci.eng.safety From: jackson@usenix.org (Jackson Dodd) Subject: 7th USENIX Security Symposium - Call for Papers Message-ID: <E8qnzH.800@usenix.org> Keywords: USENIX, conference, security Organization: USENIX Association Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:18:53 GMT 7th USENIX Security Symposium January 26-29, 1998 Marriott Hotel - San Antonio, TX If you are a security practitioner, researcher, or programmer involved in the lastest advances in security and applications of cryptography, this conference will be of interest to you. There will be refereed papers, tutorials, BoFs, invited talks, Works-in-Progress, and panel sessions. We are seeking refereed papers on topics such as: * Adaptive security and system management * Analysis of malicious code * Applications of cryptographic techniques * Attacks against networks/machines * Computer misuse and anomaly detection * Copyright protection (technical solutions) * Cryptographic & other security tools * File and file system security * Network security * New firewall technologies * Security in heterogeneous environments * Security incident investigation and response * Security of Mobile Code * User/system authentication * World Wide Web security Paper submissions are due September 9, 1997. For more detailed information: - Visit the USENIX website at: http://www.usenix.org/sec - Read comp.org.usenix - Send email to our automatic mailserver at: info@usenix.org Your message should contain the line: "send security conferences" ================================================================= The USENIX Association brings together the community of engineers, system administrators, scientists, and technicians working on the cutting edge of computing. Its technical conferences are the essential meeting grounds for the presentation and discussion of the most advanced information on new developments in all aspects of advanced computing systems.
From: cdb@precipice.com (christopher borden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WACOM BREAKTHROUGH !!! Date: 18 Apr 1997 02:51:07 GMT Message-ID: <5j6nir$snh@news1-alterdial.uu.net> thanks to all who've posted and emailed on my behalf, here's the updateĞ the guesswork-team flashlight beams were falling on serial cable compatibility (not "physically," since the mac cable seemed to fit fine, but "signal-protocol"-wise) on the one hand; and DIP switches on the other hand. having taken the tablet apart looking for DIP switches and found none, and having researched the RS-423 serial port compatibility in the white manuals, i decided to give wacom another call. remember that in my first call there the techie handling me had never heard of next, and pretty quickly said wacom didn't support it whatever it was, and there was nothing she could do. thanks anyway. this time a swell fellow named darrel answered and not only had he heard of next, he volunteered that one of their engineers there had a next and even wrote some of their drivers on it, and had or had had a tablet working on it too. after two weeks of groping around suddenly i had that jed clampett feeling when "up-through-the-ground-come-a-bubblin'-crude." indeed in next to no time darrel was walking me through the steps that'd get me rolling into hollywood on the wheels of grafix tablet. turns out the driver next wrote was for the old-series wacoms, and i happened to have been loaned a new-series tablet. so it was a matter of pressing a sequence of buttons on the user-friendly panel adjacent to the tablet surface, in order to simulate old-series wacom on my new series. no cobbled cabling, no DIP switch switching, just about plug-and-play. three cheers for darrel and his in-house next-man, whose name is george i think. now, perfect it ain't yet. only works in "relative" mode so far, cursor still doesn't budge in "absolute" or "digitizer" mode. also, the clicker on the side of the pen, which i'm expecting (correctly?) to act like a left mouse button, doesn't do squat. but it does work across both screens, and the pressure's very cool in tiffany2, transparency-wise i mean, and seems to work in virtuoso too (more pressure=wider stroke). btw i have a twin-headed nd turbo adb, for those who asked. had been forewarned by one of a limitation to one of the two screens in absolute mode, but i can't even get one going. so any follow-through thoughts on that, the clicker, or anything else much appreciated still. again, thanks to all who've taken an interest. chris borden cdb@precipice.com
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 01:16:26 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Development - Illinois State University, Bloomington-Normal, USA Message-ID: <33571F2E.70D1@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> <5j3d2k$1s9k@uni.library.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit D.F. wrote: > Actually, the 61xx line does have it. The only difference is that you > have to physically turn off the power after the "soft" shut down, where > on other models the power is turned off automatically. But all the > PowerMacs have "soft" power down. None of you get it. It's about when you "PUSH" the button on the back of the unit! -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 --- MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D--Instructional Technology Development--Illinois State University "I first saw NEXTSTEP in 1990 and I was blown away."-Eric Schmidt, Novell Inc CEO VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE ENTIRELY MY OWN
From: wam@zoo.bt.co.uk (Wayne Morrison) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 18 Apr 1997 09:39:46 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Message-ID: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do I set up Terminal.app so that I can shuffle through the command history list with the Cursor keys (or at least with a Ctrl-Cursor modifier) as opposed to using: ^P move up through history ^N move down through history ^B move left along the current command ^F move right along the current command I saw something on the FAQ that used emacs macros but was unable to get it to work. I've also set up my keymapping for the cursors but Terminal.app refuses to recognise the cursor press. Thanks for any help, Wayne
From: Big Mad Drongo <A.G.Jackson@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:54:33 +0100 Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK Message-ID: <335752E9.55A5@housman.dur.ac.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Saunders wrote: > : fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that > : respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not > > StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be > minimal. Forget it! StrongARM development is pitiful? Forget it? OH NO! DISASTER! EMERGENCY! Right, first things first. Somebody get onto Microsoft and tell them they shouldn't have ported WinCE to it. And you - yes, you - get over to Sun and let them know it wasn't worth porting JavaOS. Let's see now - someone rush down to Digital and tell them they shouldn't have bothered with that NC reference platform. No, I don't care how far it is. Run! And you, go and tell Oracle their NC reference platform is useless as well. Quickly now. AAAARGH! ALMOST FORGOT! You - drop whatever it is you're doing and go round Phillips, National Semiconductors, Motorola, Lucent Technologies, Cirrus and everyone else on this list and tell them to get rid of their ARM licenses, or not buy the ones they were planning on buying. StrongARM development is pitiful, you see. And they're to forget it. Glenn Saunders said it, so it must be true. > : Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised > : what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). > > All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the > global mainstream computer industry. Such as the trend towards thin clients rather than expensive and difficult-to-maintain desktop machines? Oh look! It just so happens that ART is a bit of an innovator in that field. The trend towards powerful set top boxes for satellite/cable providers? Well knock me down with a feather, just look who's ahead of everyone else in that as well! > Acorn is a blip in computer history > and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine > than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is > dead. In terms of unit sales, Turing sold less machines than Panasonic sold 3DO's. Does this mean you consider Turing to be a blip in computer history? Adrian
From: rdogra@nowhere.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 18 Apr 1997 12:53:21 GMT Organization: Internet MCI Message-ID: <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wam@zoo.bt.co.uk (Wayne Morrison) wrote: > > >How do I set up Terminal.app so that I can shuffle through the command >history list with the Cursor keys (or at least with a Ctrl-Cursor modifier) >as opposed to using: >^P move up through history >^N move down through history >^B move left along the current command >^F move right along the current command > >I saw something on the FAQ that used emacs macros but was unable to get it to >work. I've also set up my keymapping for the cursors but Terminal.app refuses >to recognise the cursor press. > >Thanks for any help, > > Wayne Hi From man page of csh: . . . HOW TO ENABLE THE EXTENDED C-SHELL FEATURES To enable the extended C-Shell features, put the line: set editmode = emacs in the .cshrc file in your home directory. If you don't have such a file, create one and add the line to the end. Log out and log in again and you will be using the new shell. . . . Rajnish
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 04:38:08 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970418043509.4982C-100000@kira> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> > How do I set up Terminal.app so that I can shuffle through the command > history list with the Cursor keys (or at least with a Ctrl-Cursor modifier) > as opposed to using: > ^P move up through history > ^N move down through history > ^B move left along the current command > ^F move right along the current command 1) read the document I just emailed you about what group (note the SINGULAR tense) you should have posted this to 2) change your shell from csh (which I assume you are using) to something more usable, such as zsh, which can do all this and much more. TjL, going against his better judgment by answering a crossposted non-critical message -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Questions asked in crossposted messages should not be answered. Read http://www.stepwise.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html
From: wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu (Michael W Ibrahim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PDF on NextStep 3.2 Date: 18 Apr 1997 15:32:57 GMT Organization: Yale University Message-ID: <5j8479$cju@news.ycc.yale.edu> Hi, I hope this question hasn't been asked too often, is there a (preferably free) PDF viewer that works on NextStep 3.2 on black hardware? My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed on my 3.2). Any advice appreciated. Thanks, Michael Ibrahim wasfy@minerva.cis.yale.edu
From: connorbd@cleo.bc.edu (Brian Connors) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: 18 Apr 1997 16:21:01 GMT Organization: db&b Message-ID: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Here's how I see it: Larry Ellison's vision for Apple is doomed to failure one way or another. If he succeeds, he destroys the Mac (and don't tell me ramming the NC down everybody's throat won't do that), and probably destroys the company trying to push a product that him and maybe three other people believe in. If he fails, he might wind up hurting his own reputation. Does anyone out there a) agree with me that Ellison's threatened hostile takeover would be a Bad Thing for all involved and b) have his email address so we can make some sort of informal petition to shut the hell up? And if you disagree with me, why? I do know this: I've already seen my platform loyalty brutally tested this year by the layoffs, and after it was all over I found that what was left was something I could have some confidence in. If Larry Ellison takes over and does what he says he's going to, he's lost Apple a customer (and the Mac a user from the day I can afford a system that will run BeOS). To hell with the Network Computer. So far all I've seen of it is talk, and I am not particularly interested in having my Mac replaced by a dumb terminal. Besides, Apple's already tried it, and it didn't work. What makes Ellison think he can do it? /Coach
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fugue@nospam.ccp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2 In-Reply-To: wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu's message of 18 Apr 1997 15:32:57 GMT Message-ID: <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Sender: fugue@dura.spc.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services References: <5j8479$cju@news.ycc.yale.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:38:40 GMT wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu (Michael W Ibrahim) said: > > Hi, > > I hope this question hasn't been asked too often, is there a (preferably > free) PDF viewer that works on NextStep 3.2 on black hardware? > > My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which > seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed > on my 3.2). > > Any advice appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Michael Ibrahim > wasfy@minerva.cis.yale.edu > I run it on 3.2 no problem, after installing the 3.3 patch available on the next web site. -- fugue "The police used to watch over the people. Now they're watching the people."
From: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 18 Apr 1997 19:23:27 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison Message-ID: <5j8hnf$4ns4@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> Cc: rdogra@nowhere.com,wam@zoo.bt.co.uk In <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> rdogra@nowhere.com wrote: > HOW TO ENABLE THE EXTENDED C-SHELL FEATURES > To enable the extended C-Shell features, put the line: > > set editmode = emacs > > in the .cshrc file in your home directory. If you don't > have such a file, create one and add the line to the end. > Log out and log in again and you will be using the new > shell. > > Rajnish > This doesn't enable the arrow keys (or at least I've never been able to get it to do so). The easiest way I've found to get arrow keys (and lot's of other neat features) is intsalling Bash. There is a pre-compiled binary for it at ftp.next.peak.org. Good luck. -- Michael Giddings giddings@chem.wisc.edu giddings@barbarian.com (608)258-1699 or (608) 692-2851 http://smithlab.chem.wisc.edu/PersonalPages/giddings/giddings.html http://www.barbarian.com
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fixing a NeXT laser printer Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:55:03 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970415175351.5568A-100000@kira> References: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: "Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> In-Reply-To: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> This may help http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/printerinfo.html TjL -- Timothy J. Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Submissions Coordinator for PEAK Personal NeXT Page: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ PEAK NeXT FTP: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/ PEAK Web Access: http://www.peak.org/next/
From: Stewart Goldwater <AuH2O@argonet.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:34:16 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Distribution: world Message-ID: <na.52eae0477c.a60150AuH2O@argonet.co.uk> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <335752E9.55A5@housman.dur.ac.uk> In article <335752E9.55A5@housman.dur.ac.uk>, Big Mad Drongo <A.G.Jackson@durham.ac.uk> wrote: > . . . . . . Such as the trend towards thin clients . . . I'm a thin client but in the last couple of years I've put on a few pounds round my belly. -- Running on an Acorn RISC PC Technical Author for hire! Stewart Goldwater AuH2O@argonet.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fixing a NeXT laser printer References: <335402AC.E07@BellAtlantic.net> <chk.861208071@deimos.frii.com> Organization: University of Calgary CPSC From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Message-ID: <3357cea4.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: 18 Apr 97 19:42:28 GMT In article <chk.861208071@deimos.frii.com>, Christian Kuhtz <chk@deimos.frii.com> wrote: >"Jeffrey S. Dutky" <dutky@BellAtlantic.net> writes: > >>I have a NeXT level 2 laser 400 dpi laser printer that doesn't >>feed paper from the paper tray correctly. The paper is grabbed >>and pulled in a fraction of an inch and then stops. The NeXT >>then reports that the paper is jammed in the printer. Does anyone >>know of a FAQ sheet that discusses maintenance of the NeXT >>laser printer, or who I can contact to get the printer fixed? > >I had that exact problem here a while back.. solution was easy: > >Went to my local office supply store and bought a pack of laser >printer paper (not the stuff that's a mix between very absorbing >ink jet and laser paper) and have never had problems since. > >Make sure that when you put paper into the cartridge, you don't >bend the edges. Also, "thumbing" thru the stack sometimes helps >to open the sheets a little bit. > >NeXTprinters appear to be very picky about the type of paper fed. Mine >will not eat regular xerox paper. > >Cheers, >Chris > >-- >Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com> (work) <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> (home) >Paranet, Inc. http://www.paranet.com/ "Humbly speaking for myself only." It is very likely that the rubber input roller is oxidised to the point where it is not sticky enough to be reliable. Changing the type of paper used and being fanatical about inserting the tray can temporarily help to feed paper in this case, but the real solution is to do something about the cause of the problem. I have fixed two NeXT Laser Printers that were suffering from this problem by taking the input feed apart (be sure you have the necessary skills or you may do more harm than good) and reversing the rubber jacket on the big input feed roller. The inside (having been protected) was in "as new" condition and restored reliable feeding. You can get helpful information from: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/printerinfo.html (thanks Timothy for this valuable service) Hope this works for you. david --- -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: 18 Apr 1997 22:40:12 GMT Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <5j8t8c$9di$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Cc: connorbd@cleo.bc.edu In <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Brian Connors wrote: > Here's how I see it: Larry Ellison's vision for Apple is doomed to failure > one way or another. If he succeeds, he destroys the Mac (and don't tell me > ramming the NC down everybody's throat won't do that), and probably > destroys the company trying to push a product that him and maybe three > other people believe in. If he fails, he might wind up hurting his own > reputation. > > Does anyone out there a) agree with me that Ellison's threatened hostile > takeover would be a Bad Thing for all involved and b) have his email > address so we can make some sort of informal petition to shut the hell up? > > And if you disagree with me, why? > > I do know this: I've already seen my platform loyalty brutally tested this > year by the layoffs, and after it was all over I found that what was left > was something I could have some confidence in. If Larry Ellison takes over > and does what he says he's going to, he's lost Apple a customer (and the > Mac a user from the day I can afford a system that will run BeOS). > > To hell with the Network Computer. So far all I've seen of it is talk, and > I am not particularly interested in having my Mac replaced by a dumb > terminal. Besides, Apple's already tried it, and it didn't work. What > makes Ellison think he can do it? Well, I think in general I have a feeling of agreement -- I don't want to see Larry Ellison take over Apple, nor do I want him to be in charge of my pet platform (Nextstep/Openstep/Rhapsody). But I think I have different reasons, some of which may seem strange compared to earlier posts on my part. Larry's main thing about the NC is that he finds it "offensive" (I think he used similar language) to have to go down to the store and buy cardboard and take it home and copy bits onto his computer just to use software (up til this point, I sort of agree with him). He went on to describe NCs that were like dumb-terminals that have graphics and java capability, and do everything from there.. and that I don't agree with. Fortunately he doesn't seem to really agree with that either. But in general I was unimpressed with his personality. He's not interested in open software any more than Bill Gates is, he just wants to fight Bill. He'd rather be king of the hill, that's all. And I find this objectionable. It's not that I think Microsoft's offerings are better than Oracles.. I just find it distasteful to trade one dictator for another. And I'm against anything I back being used for that purpose. Now, do I find his particular NC design bad? not really. I think a useful appliance that scales up to a low end workstation is necessary to the future of computing. As long as I can store my data and apps locally if I want to (ie. so that my privacy is guaranteed), I don't care how smart or dumb the local box is for low end users. I've said it before, and I'm going to say it again now -- the low end of contemporary computing (ie. what it takes to effeciently run shringwrapped software that is on the counters today) should not be $1500 to $2500 (which is historically where it is). It should be accessable to those whose budgets are comparable to the video game console (which is one of the reasons I was so glad to see the Sega Saturn NC add-on) -- $200 - $400ish. Hence the concept of a data/information appliance. I think it's exceptionally cool that he wants to market it as a Rhapsody-station. But I don't think it should be done at the expense of midrange and high end workstations/home-computers.. meaning I don't think Apple/NeXT should be turned into an NC factory. Maybe the low end machines that Apple cranks out should be NC boxes, but they should still turn out laptops, midrange desktops, and high end servers and render machines. I think the only place I disagree with his design is that, again, it appears to be entirley closed. The app server will be NT. Not "a generic software package you can run on anything from Linux, win95, Rhapsody, NT, or MVS". And I think that's bad/wrong. And again, while I see his desire to toot his own horn, defining that the the data engine be Oracle is again a bad thing. Not bad for Oracle, not necesarily bad for performance, but bad for the freedom of the user and 3rd party developer. I would prefer to see a more open design. (well, frankly, as you can tell from my email address, I'd prefer to see a non-proprietary design -- but I doubt THAT is going to happen ;-) So, do I think his NC plan is going to kill Apple? Not really.. it could use some polishing and some fewer closed doors, but it could work. It's a good "first draft." Do I think he will save Apple if he buys it? No, I don't. If Apple is to be saved, it will be saved by the people who are currently there, and the technologies they currently own. Even if his plan kept Apple alive, it wouldn't be the Apple we know and love today. And last, even if he were to suceed, I don't know that I'd rather have a Big Brother named Larry instead of a Big Brother named Bill. -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
From: "Gordon" <G.Boddington@ConnRiver.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Differences between 3.0 and 3.3 Date: 18 Apr 1997 18:51:46 GMT Organization: North Country Internet Access Message-ID: <01bc4c4a$dab028c0$54b18dcf@default> I want to get a slab but I can only get a color one for a good price with user 3.3 I can get it @ a good price with 3.0 developer. I was wondering if there was a large difference between them and if there would be a software compatability issue. Gordon
From: wonko@rtfm.wonko.net (Wonko the Sane @ ~) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 19 Apr 1997 01:56:23 GMT Organization: InfiNet Message-ID: <slrn5lgcci.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <kalico-ya023580001803970306550001@news.swbell.net> In article <kalico-ya023580001803970306550001@news.swbell.net>, Kalico wrote: > >SGI used the R10,000 ( the almost named T-5 chip ) which runs *just* under >1 BIP. Is that chip obsolete yet? far from obsolete, in fact, it's still way out of my price range!!! :) -brian -- The fundamental difference between Unix and the Macintosh operating system is that Unix was designed to please programmers, whereas the Mac was designed to please users. (Windows, on the other hand, was designed to please accountants, but that's another story.) --The UNIX-HATERS Handbook === End Transmission ===
From: wonko@rtfm.wonko.net (Wonko the Sane @ ~) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 19 Apr 1997 01:51:28 GMT Organization: InfiNet Message-ID: <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Andreas Dehmel wrote: >Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: > >>Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >>use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >>4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. > >I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >mean that, at any rate. >Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd >do that if it weren't worthwhile. SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. >For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you >can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small >price, considering RAM prices. And you don't have to give each of these >32 MB or something, even a measly 2MB should be enough to make good use >of "slave" processors. You can always get data from the main (shared) >memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the >raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition >the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be >accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til >everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. this is similar to what the 128CPU SGI machines do. an R10000 can have up to 2MB of cache RAM (really super-duper fast ram) and 4G of shared RAM (slower DRAM speeds) that is what made those things so impressive. that is also what made them cost more than all of us combined could afford. >But I think Acorn are on the right track too. At least they have a vision >and don't just steal other people's ideas, implement them badly and then >market the poor result as the best thing since sliced bread. The multi- >processing RPC has big potential; we'll have to see how it does in real >life. if i could buy a 10 CPU StrongARM (with FP Units of course) machine for the price of a PPro, you can bet your ass i'd buy the 10 CPU StrongARM machine. i've been in the UNIX world for a very long time, and just about every single UNIX vendor favors multiple slower CPUs over one really fast CPU. the reason is obvious, no matter how big and bad your CPU is it can only do so much. 4 slower CPUs will be able to crunch through more since you aren't limited to one set of clock cycles crunching your data. if there is a 10 CPU StrongARM machine for around what a killer PPro (or even dual PPro) systems sells for i will buy it. i'd probably buy two. -brian -- The fundamental difference between Unix and the Macintosh operating system is that Unix was designed to please programmers, whereas the Mac was designed to please users. (Windows, on the other hand, was designed to please accountants, but that's another story.) --The UNIX-HATERS Handbook === End Transmission ===
From: mbowen@panix.com (m bowen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 03:27:29 GMT Organization: boohab's factotum Message-ID: <5j9du8$qg7@camel7.mindspring.com> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> <5j8t8c$9di$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> In article <5j8t8c$9di$1@majipoor.cygnus.com>, jrudd@cygnus.com wrote: | |Well, I think in general I have a feeling of agreement -- I don't want to see |Larry Ellison take over Apple, nor do I want him to be in charge of my pet |platform (Nextstep/Openstep/Rhapsody). But I think I have different reasons, |some of which may seem strange compared to earlier posts on my part. | |Larry's main thing about the NC is that he finds it "offensive" (I think he |used similar language) to have to go down to the store and buy cardboard and |take it home and copy bits onto his computer just to use software (up til |this point, I sort of agree with him). He went on to describe NCs that were |like dumb-terminals that have graphics and java capability, and do everything |from there.. and that I don't agree with. Fortunately he doesn't seem to |really agree with that either. | |But in general I was unimpressed with his personality. He's not interested |in open software any more than Bill Gates is, he just wants to fight Bill. |He'd rather be king of the hill, that's all. And I find this objectionable. |It's not that I think Microsoft's offerings are better than Oracles.. I just |find it distasteful to trade one dictator for another. And I'm against |anything I back being used for that purpose. | this is absolutely true about ellison, but it's not entirely a bad thing. even though it hurts to think that ellison would be running apple, you can have cofindence that he wouldn't run it into the ground. ellison has a knack for attracting a)ultra-competitive people b)big respect from big companies c)fear and loathing from competitors. ellison's problem is that given that, he can sell vapor. so the question boils down to whether or not apple engineers can actually build an attractive NC. (and believe me, if it's attractive enough ellison will not sell it cheap). |Now, do I find his particular NC design bad? not really. I think a useful |appliance that scales up to a low end workstation is necessary to the future |of computing. As long as I can store my data and apps locally if I want to |(ie. so that my privacy is guaranteed), I don't care how smart or dumb the |local box is for low end users. I've said it before, and I'm going to say it |again now -- the low end of contemporary computing (ie. what it takes to |effeciently run shringwrapped software that is on the counters today) should |not be $1500 to $2500 (which is historically where it is). It should be |accessable to those whose budgets are comparable to the video game console |(which is one of the reasons I was so glad to see the Sega Saturn NC add-on) |-- $200 - $400ish. Hence the concept of a data/information appliance. i'm not so certain that the NC would remain so very low end. conceptually, what is a thin client? in the corporate world, thin client is high powered graphics, network stacks, java virtual machine, and security. assuming everything runs on local memory for non-refreshed query objects, you probably are running a good deal of memory. networks are still the bottleneck, and always will be, so servers are not going to be designed push a whole lot down the pipe (more than say 5MB). so i'm thinking you have at least 32MB on a standard NC. hmmm. does an NC need a fast bus? i also can't imagine that NCs would remain always standalone into the home market. why not bundle media servers in the settop paradigm? you buy a cd-rom changer that plays audio cds. hook that into 10baseT for your home LAN and out the window to DSS dish or a cable modem. that gives your NC the flexibility to play networked interactive games or cd-roms. there's just so many ways to go, i can't see why apple wants to do nothing more than make PCs. | |I think it's exceptionally cool that he wants to market it as a |Rhapsody-station. But I don't think it should be done at the expense of |midrange and high end workstations/home-computers.. meaning I don't think |Apple/NeXT should be turned into an NC factory. Maybe the low end machines |that Apple cranks out should be NC boxes, but they should still turn out |laptops, midrange desktops, and high end servers and render machines. high end yes. midrange no. if the macOS survives another 2 years, market penetration of mac clones will make people think twice about buying macs. | |I think the only place I disagree with his design is that, again, it appears |to be entirley closed. The app server will be NT. Not "a generic software |package you can run on anything from Linux, win95, Rhapsody, NT, or MVS". |And I think that's bad/wrong. And again, while I see his desire to toot his |own horn, defining that the the data engine be Oracle is again a bad thing. |Not bad for Oracle, not necesarily bad for performance, but bad for the |freedom of the user and 3rd party developer. I would prefer to see a more |open design. (well, frankly, as you can tell from my email address, I'd |prefer to see a non-proprietary design -- but I doubt THAT is going to happen |;-) | oracle, unfortunately, has satisfied a hell of a lot of 3rd party developers. powersoft, visual basic, intersolv and sql windows would be nowhere without oracle. (otoh, now that sybase ate it, powersoft is nowhere). and the sad fact of the matter is that oracle doesn't need to be open because of its dominance as a database in the market. the size and volume of deals oracle can swing upmarket is phenomenal. i kid you not when i tell you that IS departments make huge hardware and OS decisions based on which combinations run oracle the fastest. 3rd parties will follow oracle anywhere, even though oracle's APIs are the absolute pits, when they exist at all. |So, do I think his NC plan is going to kill Apple? Not really.. it could use |some polishing and some fewer closed doors, but it could work. It's a good |"first draft." Do I think he will save Apple if he buys it? No, I don't. |If Apple is to be saved, it will be saved by the people who are currently |there, and the technologies they currently own. Even if his plan kept Apple |alive, it wouldn't be the Apple we know and love today. it would be an apple with bite. an apple with corporate credibility. imagine that! what i think ellison realizes is that oracle universal server is going to be an ungodly hodgepodge nightmare that will require huge investments on the backend if its going to serve enterprises blobs and god knows what else. what he needs desparately is a very nice client and network architechture which can retail everything he wants to sell. and he wants to own a piece of something all third party developers would need to license. and he knows oracle corp. would never deliver on the front end - they are going to spend the next 5 years integrating their back ends. NC is a big piece of the puzzle. i beleive larry ellison views rhapsody as the ultimate front-end. plus he's read too much negroponte. | | |And last, even if he were to suceed, I don't know that I'd rather have a Big |Brother named Larry instead of a Big Brother named Bill. | believe me, you wouldn't. i don't think bill likes to fire people. but hey, apple, it's not 1984 anymore. i think if we all stopped thinking like hackers and developers (who are always going to have our own data centers at home anyway) we might see some beauty here.
From: st942593@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (cpt kangarooski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 01:03:06 -0400 Organization: Brandeis University, Waltham MA Message-ID: <st942593-1904970103060001@129.64.115.26> References: <33530B9E.7B5C@smart.net> <jimfitch-ya023680001604970010570001@news.community.net> <5j3d2k$1s9k@uni.library.ucla.edu> <33571F2E.70D1@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> In article <33571F2E.70D1@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>, eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu wrote: #D.F. wrote: #> Actually, the 61xx line does have it. The only difference is that you #> have to physically turn off the power after the "soft" shut down, where #> on other models the power is turned off automatically. But all the #> PowerMacs have "soft" power down. # #None of you get it. # #It's about when you "PUSH" the button on the back of the unit! but its a GOOD thing to have a hard power switch in case you're in disagreement with the computer. but the switch used under normal circumstances should be the soft power key on the keyboard. i'd hate to live without the both of them. (besides, none of the current desktops from apple have hard power on the back - it's on the front now... maybe not that good a thing) -cpt kangarooski -st942593@pip.cc.brandeis.edu -<*>
From: apuleius@ix.netcom.com (William Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 03:09:09 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <33582ccf.6576135@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> On 18 Apr 1997 16:21:01 GMT, connorbd@cleo.bc.edu (Brian Connors) wrote: > >Does anyone out there a) agree with me that Ellison's threatened hostile >takeover would be a Bad Thing for all involved > Larry Ellison could proclaim his intent to buy Apple and turn the niternational sales force into a white-slavery ring with the express goal of kidnapping Mother Teresa for his personal brothel and you know what ? It would still bore the hell out of me. As a former developer and designer of NEXTSTEP and OpenStep software, let me proudly proclaim that I simply do not give a f*** about the ongoing saga. Cheers, Andy
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Graphics Tablet Installation Date: 6 Apr 1997 02:34:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970406023400.VAA17741@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <5i4mq1$8ko@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Wacom was very helpful when I was trying to install a Wacom ArtZ (not that I ever had any luck--never had the time to get back with them on it). Try their web site, and submitting a tech support e-mail request. I believe you'll be pleasantly surprised, as was I. It's really great that a company can make such wonderful products and stand behind them so completely. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
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From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 17 Apr 1997 19:19:36 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> When I order some upgrades from NeXTSTEP 3.3 to Openstep 4.0 I had not realized that 4.1 Would come up so soon. I did not proceed to the actual upgrades and now that my 3.3 is corrupt I am considering going to 4.0 OS (on Black Hardware). So the following questions came up? 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? What does it contain more than 4.0? 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? Any pointers will be highly appreciated! Thanks everybody --john ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2189 or -2165 | | Naval Research Laboratory | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Code 6380 |e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil| | Washington DC 20375-5000 | michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil|
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NexTTV ? Date: 12 Apr 1997 11:46:35 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5insmr$1sr@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <334D8E25.465D@interramp.com> Atindra Chaturvedi <usb00378@interramp.com> wrote: > Where can one find NeXTTV, used to watch video on a NeXTDImension ? > > TIA. It comes with the operating system, or at least it used to. In NS-3.x it was in: /NextDeveloper/Demos/NeXTtv.app --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: punzi@nwlink.com (Robin N. Werner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: [Q] Dual boot of Linux and OPENSTEP Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:14:56 -0700 Organization: Northwest Link Message-ID: <punzi-ya023580001904971114560001@news.nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: Linux Openstep dual-boot lilo Hello, I have Openstep 4.1 running on white hardware, and I would like to configure the machine to also run Linux. Furthermore, I would like to use Lilo as the boot loader. Has anyone successfully produced such a configuration? If so, would you be willing to share your lilo.conf for booting the machine? Any additional experiences you could share would be a great help. Thus far, I have found information regarding dual booting similar configurations, but never using Lilo. NeXTanswers does mention that this is possible, but the actual configuration is not provided. I have also searched FAQ's at Stepwise and peak.org, but their answer's utilized OS/2's boot-loader. Prior to obtaining Openstep I was running Linux on this machine so I am familiar with the basics of configuring a Linux host and Lilo. As a new Openstep user, I do not wish to destroy it when I reinstall Linux and overwrite the existing master boot-record. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Robin Robin N. Werner punzi@nwlink.com
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <15479860904022@digifix.com> Date: 20 Apr 1997 03:59:34 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <26385861508830@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site ============================ http://www.next.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups ========================== news:comp.sys.next.advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. news:comp.sys.next.announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. news:comp.sys.next.bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. news:comp.sys.next.hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. news:comp.sys.next.marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. news:comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! news:comp.sys.next.programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. news:comp.sys.next.software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. news:comp.sys.next.sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. Related Newsgroups ================== news:comp.soft-sys.nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. news:comp.lang.objective-c Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. news:comp.object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com The ftp sites ============= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org - The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: - (Peanuts) Located in Germany. ftp://ftp.dn.net/pub/next - Peanuts mirror in the US ftp://terra.stack.urc.tue.nl - (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it - (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next - eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: - See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. 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USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. 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From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5jboad$8p1@news.netusa1.net> Date: 20 Apr 1997 03:37:07 GMT Control: cancel <5jboad$8p1@news.netusa1.net> Message-ID: <cancel.5jboad$8p1@news.netusa1.net> Sender: <glucas@netusa1.net> Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2 Date: 19 Apr 1997 23:24:55 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5jbk87$2fq$1@wwwproxy.seicom.net> References: <5j8479$cju@news.ycc.yale.edu> wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu (Michael W Ibrahim) wrote: > Hi, > I hope this question hasn't been asked too often, is there a (preferably > free) PDF viewer that works on NextStep 3.2 on black hardware? > My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which > seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed > on my 3.2). Look on ftp://peanuts.leo.org/next/Text/apps for 'PDFViewer' or 'PDFView'. As far as I know both run on 3.2. --- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: PDF encryption by Apple/Adobe (was:Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2) Message-ID: <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram References: <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:49:57 GMT In article <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> fugue@nospam.ccp.uchicago.edu writes: > wasfy@pantheon.yale.edu (Michael W Ibrahim) said: > > > > > My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which > > seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed > > on my 3.2). > > > > I run it on 3.2 no problem, after installing the 3.3 patch available on > the next web site. > But you cannot read the Apple PDF's with it!! I just downloaded the QuickTime FAQ from Apple in PDF format. When I tried to read it with OmniPDF it came with a message: "This documentation is encrypted with Adobe's proprietary encryption algorithm. You must use the Adobe reader". Why is Apple doing this? Doesn't make sense to me. hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl
From: "Wes Spears" <jspears@weston.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help regarding Modem Cable for a 040 Cube Date: 20 Apr 1997 16:32:59 GMT Organization: The Weston Group Message-ID: <01bc4da8$d497e4a0$115a68ce@jspears.onramp.net> If you have one or know where I can pick one up, please let me know. Thanks Wes jspears@weston.com
From: J.A.Hammerton@cs.bham.ac.uk (James A Hammerton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Date: 20 Apr 1997 18:23:12 GMT Organization: School of Computer Science, The University of Birmingham, U.K. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jdmug$mpd@percy.cs.bham.ac.uk> References: <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Glenn Saunders (krishna@primenet.com) wrote: : The mortal Andreas Dehmel wrote: : : But you're missing a very important issue: single-processor systems : : will be dead in a couple of years. : : (Massively) Parallel is the future. In that context it won't be that : Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to : use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about : 4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. On what grounds do you base this assertion? I know of several machines containing hundreds of processors (e.g. Cray T3D), and have worked on one containing 16384 processors (the Connection Machine). The problem you mention (bottlenecks arising due to all CPUs trying to access main memory simultanouesly) does pose certain restrictions on the organisation of your processors, but it is assuredly still worthwhile going beyond 4 CPUs. You might not always get N times speed up for N processors, but you will get improvements. It's all down to how you organise the communication between the CPUs, and the access to main memory. : : fast ones - and I can't think of one to rival StrongARM in that : : respect. You can get about 10 StrongARMs for the price of 1 PPro (not : StrongArm development is pitiful, so software availability for it will be : minimal. Forget it! Microsoft have ported Windows CE to it. Java & JavaOS are available for it (indeed it got the highest recored scores on the Java benchmarks a few months back). It is being used in several Network Computers, and the latest version of the Apple Newton. And then of course Acorn are using it in their machines. This doesn't suggest to me that there's going to be no software for it. : : Having a look at the Galileo specs it would appear Acorn finally realised : : what a potential they wasted all those years (i.e. fast, cheap processors). : All this Acorn talk is very naive and ignores the major trends in the : global mainstream computer industry. Acorn is a blip in computer history : and will always be a blip. The 3d0 was more popular as an ARM machine : than the Acorn ever was when you talk about the global market, and 3d0 is : dead. Well Acorn have got deals with Oracle for NCs and BSkyB for interactive TV. They have the cheapest NCs available so far, and with NCs having a proprietry OS doesn't matter so long as you can run Java (and you can). They probably aren't going to take over the world, but they do seem set to prosper, and if they establish the first mass produced parallel processing personal computers they will surely benefit from the links they've forged. Of course I may be forgetting Acorn's capacity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and Wintel's capacity to muscle in on any market they choose. Even so Acorn will probably hold onto their niche (and develop some new ones) for some time to come. James -- James Hammerton, Research Student, School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham | Home Page: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~jah/ Connectionist NLP WWW Page: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~jah/CNLP/cnlp.html
From: J.A.Hammerton@cs.bham.ac.uk (James A Hammerton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Date: 20 Apr 1997 18:31:04 GMT Organization: School of Computer Science, The University of Birmingham, U.K. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jdnd8$mpd@percy.cs.bham.ac.uk> References: <5ivv6s$3du@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Andreas Dehmel (dehmel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE) wrote: [snip] : If we were all following mainstream we'd all have Wintel boxes on our : desks. It's important to try new things. Parallel processing is not new, : but parallel processing for the home user is. Same as when Acorn built : the first Arc RISC wasn't new but RISC for the home user was. : Sadly it still was 7 years later when Apple claimed to have been the first : to do it... Acorn's complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority in the UK regarding this claim was upheld AIUI. James -- James Hammerton, Research Student, School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham | Home Page: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~jah/ Connectionist NLP WWW Page: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~jah/CNLP/cnlp.html
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Network settings using NAT Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:26:56 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <335A7C10.3C55@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to connect to my ISP using an Ascend Pipeline 25 Px router with OPENSTEP 4.0/Intel. The ISP has assigned me one static IP address along with a registered domain name. The Ascend directions say that in order for NAT to work correctly, all of the dotted quads in the IP address must be above 100, and further, to assign the computer an address one number next to it so that the router sees it as being on the same network. Since one of the dotted quads of the address that my ISP assigned me is below 100, I assigned my router a dummy address of 100.100.100.100. Using SimpleNetworkStarter, in section 1, I checked the third box 'Provide the services specified below'. In section 2, I set the IP address to 100.100.100.101. And under [Network Options...], I set the -Router- to the address of my router 100.100.100.100, set -Netmask- to 255.0.0.0, set -NIS Domain Name- to my registered domain name, and set -Broadcast Address- to 100.255.255.255. I then attached the ethernet wire when the prompt told me to. However I am not able to get the computer to make a connection to the network. Afterwards, I accessed the router directly using Kermit and dialed into my ISP manually. When I set the router's IP address to the dummy number, it would connect with my ISP for about five seconds then terminate. However if I set the address to the number that they assigned me, the connection would stay up - but I can't use NAT with this IP address. Are the above settings correct? And does anyone know how I can get this working? --gh
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:13:59 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420121318.12895F-100000@kira> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Brian Connors <connorbd@cleo.bc.edu> In-Reply-To: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> Why don't you ask how we feel about people who post offtopic posts to csn.misc?
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Differences between 3.0 and 3.3 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:18:44 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420121641.12895J-100000@kira> References: <01bc4c4a$dab028c0$54b18dcf@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Gordon <G.Boddington@ConnRiver.net> In-Reply-To: <01bc4c4a$dab028c0$54b18dcf@default> > I want to get a slab but I can only get a color one for a good price with > user 3.3 I can get it @ a good price with 3.0 developer. I was wondering if > there was a large difference between them and if there would be a software > compatability issue. There is a huge difference. I doubt that 3.0 dev will work with 3.3 user. I could be wrong, but I doubt it TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Questions asked in crossposted messages should not be answered. Read http://www.stepwise.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A very serious call to moderate csn.misc Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:06:55 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII csn.misc is the most abused group in csn.* (with the exception of csn.advocasy, perhaps, but everyone expects it there). Cross posts and offtopic posts abound. Every Apple move is now reported to csn.misc. Many of us don't really care what Apple does or what people speulate they will do. Once Rhapsody comes out, csn.misc will be abused as a discussion forum until Rhapsody-specific groups are formed. I suggest that we take action now to keep csn.misc ontopic, as a group for these posts only: comp.sys.next.misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! [taken from http://www.stepwise.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html] By filtering out Apple/Rhapsody stuff and crossposted csn.* messages alone we can dramatically decrease the noise level, and keep it on topic. In the past 5 months we have had hundreds of posts speculating on what Rhapsody will include, what it will leave out, why Apple is superior to NeXT in all things, why GX is superior to DSP, microkernel stuff, parallel stuff, Amiga stuff (who gives a ), and a whole host of offtopic stuff. There are also folks who just don't know what 'next.misc' means and think they can post generic computer questions here, or job postings, or whatever else. I would be willing to moderate (making no restrictions other than it be about NeXT/OpenStep, doesn't fit anywhere else, and isn't crossposted) and I would be willing to let someone else if a better choice is found. I'd also be willing to tally the votes should it come to that. What do you think? Please followup to newsgroup, but can also cc me if you wish. Thanks for your time, TjL
From: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kai S. Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PDF encryption by Apple/Adobe (was:Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2) Date: 20 Apr 1997 22:23:21 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <5je50p$vak@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) writes: >In article <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> >I just downloaded the QuickTime FAQ from Apple in PDF format. When I tried >to read it with OmniPDF it came with a message: "This documentation is >encrypted with Adobe's proprietary encryption algorithm. You must use the >Adobe reader". Why is Apple doing this? Doesn't make sense to me. >hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl Well, the proprietary encryption is develop by adobe not apple. kai
From: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca (Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A very serious call to moderate csn.misc Date: 20 Apr 1997 22:31:47 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5je5gj$g7l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma (luomat@peak.org) wrote: : Cross posts and offtopic posts abound. Every Apple move is now reported : to csn.misc. Many of us don't really care what Apple does or what people : speulate they will do. of course except for Apple's annoucement to market slab/cube motherboard upgrades;-) : Once Rhapsody comes out, csn.misc will be abused as a discussion forum : until Rhapsody-specific groups are formed. : By filtering out Apple/Rhapsody stuff and crossposted csn.* messages alone : we can dramatically decrease the noise level, and keep it on topic. maybe to be less restrictive maybe we just filter for stuff that is cross posted? : In the past 5 months we have had hundreds of posts speculating on what : Rhapsody will include, what it will leave out, why Apple is superior to : NeXT in all things, why GX is superior to DSP, microkernel stuff, parallel : stuff, Amiga stuff (who gives a ), and a whole host of offtopic stuff. : There are also folks who just don't know what 'next.misc' means and think : they can post generic computer questions here, or job postings, or : whatever else. have to admit I haven't see this kind of traffice in the next groups for a while;-) Godwin
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From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PDF encryption by Apple/Adobe (was:Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2) Date: 21 Apr 1997 03:37:55 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5jenej$65b$1@news.digifix.com> References: <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> <5je50p$vak@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> In-Reply-To: <5je50p$vak@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> On 04/20/97, Kai S. Wong wrote: >hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) writes: > >>In article <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> >>I just downloaded the QuickTime FAQ from Apple in PDF format. When I tried >>to read it with OmniPDF it came with a message: "This documentation is >>encrypted with Adobe's proprietary encryption algorithm. You must use the >>Adobe reader". Why is Apple doing this? Doesn't make sense to me. > >>hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl > >Well, the proprietary encryption is develop by adobe not apple. > > The question is why is Apple bothering to encrypt the documents. The answer I expect has something to do with others editing the PDF or fonts or some such. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kai S. Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: [Q] Dual boot of Linux and OPENSTEP Date: 20 Apr 1997 17:25:22 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <5jdji2$pd7@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <punzi-ya023580001904971114560001@news.nwlink.com> Keywords: Linux Openstep dual-boot lilo punzi@nwlink.com (Robin N. Werner) writes: >Hello, > I have Openstep 4.1 running on white hardware, and I would like to >configure the machine to also run Linux. Furthermore, I would like to use >Lilo as the boot loader. > Has anyone successfully produced such a configuration? If so, would >you be willing to share your lilo.conf for booting the machine? Any >additional experiences you could share would be a great help. > Thus far, I have found information regarding dual booting similar >configurations, but never using Lilo. NeXTanswers does mention that this is >possible, but the actual configuration is not provided. I have also >searched FAQ's at Stepwise and peak.org, but their answer's utilized OS/2's >boot-loader. > Prior to obtaining Openstep I was running Linux on this machine so I >am familiar with the basics of configuring a Linux host and Lilo. As a new >Openstep user, I do not wish to destroy it when I reinstall Linux and >overwrite the existing master boot-record. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks! > -Robin >Robin N. Werner >punzi@nwlink.com Yes, it work but one thing to remember is the OPENSTEP only boot from 1st HD (NeXT disk utility suck). below is a sample config. lilo.conf boot=/dev/sda # put your lilo in the MBR root=/dev/sda1 # your linux root device . . other=/dev/sda3 label=openstep -- Software Engineer email: kwong@morgan.ucs.mun.ca url: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~kwong/ PGP fingerprint <1B 67 F5 6C C4 44 4F 87 52 F7 61 C7 8E D0 36 40> finger kwong@plato.ucs.mun.ca to get PGP public key.
From: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 21 Apr 1997 10:29:01 GMT Organization: [posted via] Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> In article <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) writes: > > When I order some upgrades from NeXTSTEP 3.3 to Openstep 4.0 I had not > realized that 4.1 Would come up so soon. > > I did not proceed to the actual upgrades and now that my 3.3 is corrupt I > am considering going to 4.0 OS (on Black Hardware). > > So the following questions came up? > > 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? What does it contain more than 4.0? > 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? > 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release > notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? > > Any pointers will be highly appreciated! > > Thanks everybody > > --john John, a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. The vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading 3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail welcome_________________ FAX: +49-89-2394-4607 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: +49-89-2394-4565 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University | G i b D O S | Institute for Medical Optics, Theoretical Biophysics Group | k e i n e |
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From: Ling Wang <wang_ling@jpmorgan.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:51:17 -0400 Organization: JP Morgan Message-ID: <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 Stephen Westin wrote about "Re: Why Crays are fas": > > > I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 > > MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the > > MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in > > one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. > > > > The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 > > KFLOPS level. > > Stephen, > > Want to hear fast. Got these numbers from a PBS show on supercomputers. > > Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. Where did that bogus information come from? Cray would make a cray with a MFLOPS/CPU slower than their Cray I of 30 years ago? 50GFLOPS/16382CPUS ~ 3MFLOPS ~ R2K or ~ PPro
From: Stefan Ried <ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:41:35 +0200 Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Michopoulos wrote: > > 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? no, 4.2 will be out soon. > What does it (4.1) contain more than 4.0? it contains less (bugs) > 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? yes, 4.2 will be the final release before Rhapsody, which is able to run OpenStep and NEXTStep Apps. Rhapsody will run OpenStep and Mac Apps, no more NeXTStep Apps. (Or have anybody out there another information) > 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release > notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? If your machine is in a NIS Cluster, have a look at the ReleaseNotes of looupd. Still lookupd is buggy (netgroups) in 4.1 and will be fixed in 4.2. Stefan ______________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G. \ | ... openstep, the biggest step | | E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME welcome) ...since the invention | | Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 ...of the __/___/ | | Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| | WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried ...wheel\_/ \_/| \______________________________________________________________________/
From: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PDF encryption by Apple/Adobe (was:Re: PDF on NextStep 3.2) Date: 21 Apr 1997 11:38:36 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jfjjs$i4l$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> In article <E8xnF9.By@tamtam.xs4all.nl> hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) writes: > In article <ukvwwq0nv5b.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> > fugue@nospam.ccp.uchicago.edu writes: > > > My search through the web/dejanews only turned up OmniPDF which > > > seems to only work on 3.3 or later (sure enough it just crashed > > > on my 3.2). > > I run it on 3.2 no problem, after installing the 3.3 patch available on > > the next web site. I think you would need the "FoundationKit" Patch, not the "3.3" patch. The 3.3patch is not suitable for NS 3.2. > But you cannot read the Apple PDF's with it!! You need a PDF viewer with decryption capabilities. E.g., you could get PDFViewer (from the usual archives for NEXTSTEP/OpenStep) and then download ftp://ftphost.uni-koblenz.de/outgoing/People/droege/Standard.pdfcrypt.tar.gz Put that bundle into the .app wrapper and it should work, even on 3.2 (no FoundationKit patch needed) Disclaimer: I wrote PDFViewer and that bundle. Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Uni Koblenz, FB Informatik, Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany Tel:+49 261 9119-421,Fax:-497,NeXT/MIME/Emil: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de C++ is the only current language making COBOL look good. --Bertrand Meyer
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Differences between 3.0 and 3.3 Date: 21 Apr 1997 16:16:39 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5jg3t7$kmp@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <01bc4c4a$dab028c0$54b18dcf@default> "Gordon" <G.Boddington@ConnRiver.net> wrote: >I want to get a slab but I can only get a color one for a good price with >user 3.3 I can get it @ a good price with 3.0 developer. I was wondering if >there was a large difference between them and if there would be a software >compatability issue. Compatibility is an issue for some things, but the other improvements are enough to sway most people. I run 3.3 on my machines (including the one here in my office). We (the department) run 3.0 on our lab machines and they drive me crazy. Here are a few things that are different: 3.3 runs faster on black '040 hardware. 3.0 is generally slower and NetInfo is a lot slower. 3.3 uses more modern libraries and has better POSIX compliance. You'll see a lot of stuff that says it'll only run on 3.2 and up- that's why. Several user interface things are improved. The Login panel is better, and Services and foreign file systems seem to work better in 3.3. 3.3 allows you to compile things four-way fat. 3.0 isn't fat at all. (3.1 added Intel, I think 3.2 added HP and 3.3 added SPARC.) I'm typing this on my SPARC running 3.3. :-) If I were developing, I'd go for 3.3 for the fatness. As a SPARC user, I am always irritated when I can't get a binary for a program (say, Maple) to work on my machine. :-( As a user, I prefer 3.3 anyway, especially on black hardware, but if money's tight, I'd throw it at memory and upgrade the OS later. ab
From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] NEXTSTEP/Intel and MIDI Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:25:56 GMT Organization: Korea Telecom Message-ID: <970421202556.388AAGhE.root@color> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I interested in making music on my NEXTSTEP/Intel-machine. I would like to connect my music-keyboard or MIDI hardware via MIDI to my computer. Can I use my MPU-401-compatible card under NEXTSTEP/Intel? Has anyone had any experience with MIDI sequencers or MIDI Players with MIDI hardwares(like Rolland SC-88 or YAMAHA) under NEXTSTEP/Intel? Thank you. younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, SGI O2 Q&A board written in Korean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Arno Bosse <abosse@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <335B8CBD.624D@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Univ. of Chicago - Academic Computing Services References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:50:22 GMT Helmut Heller wrote: > > In article <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John > Michopoulos) writes: > > > > When I order some upgrades from NeXTSTEP 3.3 to Openstep 4.0 I had not > > realized that 4.1 Would come up so soon. > > > > I did not proceed to the actual upgrades and now that my 3.3 is corrupt I > > am considering going to 4.0 OS (on Black Hardware). > > > > So the following questions came up? > > > > 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? What does it contain more than 4.0? > > 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? > > 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release > > notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? > > > > Any pointers will be highly appreciated! > > You'll take a circa 8MB memory hit because of the shared library support for 3.x compatability. > > John, > a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. The > vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading > 3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... > Really? I've never heard of this before. I would just as soon wait for 4.2 in June unless you need to develop Openstep apps today. There are no significant user enhacements (IMHO). Arno
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Differences between 3.0 and 3.3 Message-ID: <E8zKMo.7v2@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420121641.12895J-100000@kira> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:44:48 GMT In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420121641.12895J-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> writes: > > > I want to get a slab but I can only get a color one for a good > > price with user 3.3 I can get it @ a good price with 3.0 > > developer. I was wondering if there was a large difference > > between them and if there would be a software compatability > > issue. > > There is a huge difference. > > I doubt that 3.0 dev will work with 3.3 user. > > I could be wrong, but I doubt it > It definitely won't work. All the runtime libs are different and the header files don't reflect the change. You probably might run the DEV apps successfully but you need at least NS 3.1 headers and link libs to compile your code. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 21 Apr 1997 19:48:45 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5jggat$opm$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> In-Reply-To: <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> On 04/21/97, Helmut Heller wrote: > >John, >a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. The >vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading >3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... > I upgraded directly from 3.3 to 4.1 without incident.... -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do we all think of Larry Ellison? Date: 21 Apr 1997 17:30:16 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5jg878$bg2@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <connorbd-1804971242340001@136.167.154.219> connorbd@cleo.bc.edu (Brian Connors) wrote: > Here's how I see it: I don't see why you think we care how you see it. Even more to the point, I don't see why this is posted to comp.sys.next.misc and comp.sys.mac.misc. This topic is one of advocacy, which you seem to notice by posting it to comp.sys.mac.advocacy too. Anything posted to comp.sys.*.advocacy should not be posted to any non-advocacy groups. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A very serious call to moderate csn.misc Date: 21 Apr 1997 20:37:26 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5jgj66$77n$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> wrote: > >csn.misc is the most abused group in csn.* (with the exception of >csn.advocasy, perhaps, but everyone expects it there). > >Cross posts and offtopic posts abound. Every Apple move is now reported >to csn.misc. Many of us don't really care what Apple does or what people >speulate they will do. > >Once Rhapsody comes out, csn.misc will be abused as a discussion forum >until Rhapsody-specific groups are formed. > >I suggest that we take action now to keep csn.misc ontopic, as a group for >these posts only: > >comp.sys.next.misc > For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything > you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere > else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! > Sounds good to me. If you're willing to take on the responsibility, I would appreciate the effort. --Ryan
From: cdl@proxima.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 21 Apr 1997 23:33:49 GMT Organization: University of California at San Diego Message-ID: <5jgtgt$i7d$1@news1.ucsd.edu> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> <5j8hnf$4ns4@news.doit.wisc.edu> Cc: giddings@menominee.chem.wisc.edu In <5j8hnf$4ns4@news.doit.wisc.edu> Michael Giddings wrote: | | In <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> rdogra@nowhere.com wrote: | > HOW TO ENABLE THE EXTENDED C-SHELL FEATURES | > To enable the extended C-Shell features, put the line: | > | > set editmode = emacs | > | > in the .cshrc file in your home directory. If you don't | > have such a file, create one and add the line to the end. | > Log out and log in again and you will be using the new | > shell. | > | > Rajnish | > | | This doesn't enable the arrow keys (or at least I've never been able to get | it to do so). | Well, perhaps you all have to learn the first thing about Cshell syntax: Don't put spaces around the = sign. set editmode=vi or set editmode=emacs as your taste requires. -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Thomas Zhou Subject: CD player set up Message-ID: <1997Apr21.222859.22882@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:28:59 GMT Hi, I was tring to play the audio CD with CD player which I found on the NeXT but it can not find the CD Rom by itself. And the audio CD was ejected by the CD ROM. Anyone can tell me how to configure the CD player? Please reply to my account. Regards, Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: [Q] Dual boot of Linux and OPENSTEP Message-ID: <E90552.Lyo@euler.han.de> Sender: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <punzi-ya023580001904971114560001@news.nwlink.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:07:50 GMT Robin N. Werner writes > Hello, > > I have Openstep 4.1 running on white hardware, and I would like to > configure the machine to also run Linux. Furthermore, I would like to use > Lilo as the boot loader. > > Has anyone successfully produced such a configuration? If so, would > you be willing to share your lilo.conf for booting the machine? Any > additional experiences you could share would be a great help. I set this up for a demo installation once. As far as I remember the Next advanced setup did overwrite the disk's partition table no matter what. So have a linux boot disk (working, check it !) ready if you want to get back at your existing linux partition. (provided you have some space left on that first drive). Otherwise no problems. (Re)run lilo after rewriting the partition table and you should be fine. Openstep is handled in much the same way by lilo as dos is. Good luck, Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
From: International Protection Alliance <ipa@intlprotalli.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: <SECURITY TRAINING> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:49:54 -0400 Organization: NetUnlimited, Inc. Message-ID: <335BE102.4AF9@intlprotalli.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Protection of Computers & Proprietary Information Technical Surveillance CounterMeasures Telco Technology Investigations Security Countermeasures for Government & Industry Covert Investigations & Surveillance Technology Design & Application of Industrial Security Systems Bomb Threat Planning & Management Executive/VIP Protection & Planning CounterTerrorism and the Asset Threat Spectrum World Institute for Security Enhancement http://www.worldinstitute.org securitytraining@pobox.com
From: mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A very serious call to moderate csn.misc Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:15:17 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <mitchell.allen-2104972215170001@203.detroit-004.mi.dial-access.att.net> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> <5jgj66$77n$1@mark.ucdavis.edu> > >comp.sys.next.misc > > For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything > > you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere > > else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! > > > OK, with 20,000+ newsgroups, do you really think that there is any topic, other than "moderation of c.s.n.misc" which wouldn't fit in another group? :-) Mitch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: piers@ilink.de (Piers Uso Walter) Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Message-ID: <E90L4E.MDI@mediahaus.de> Sender: news@mediahaus.de (News System) Organization: Mediahaus Stroebel in Duesseldorf (Germany) References: <5jggat$opm$1@news.digifix.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:53:01 GMT sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > On 04/21/97, Helmut Heller wrote: > > > >John, > >a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. > The > >vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading > >3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... > > > > I upgraded directly from 3.3 to 4.1 without incident.... > Same here ... -- -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- "I think people are happy using Windows, and that's an extremely depressing thought." -= Steve Jobs, 1/96 =- piers@iqweb.de -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-
From: Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 21 Apr 1997 20:22:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet (602)416-7000 Message-ID: <5jhasp$7le$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> The mortal Wonko the Sane @ ~ wrote: : SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets : to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. SGI's like these are running highly specialized code like raytracers. And we're talking about desktop archetectures here, where each CPU is fighting for the same set of SIMMs. Don't try to convince me you can have an infinite number of CPUs in such a configuration and linearly add throughput to the system. It will level off. Go ask the people in the Be newsgroup about it. : UNIX vendor favors multiple slower CPUs over one really fast CPU. the reason : is obvious, no matter how big and bad your CPU is it can only do so much. : 4 slower CPUs will be able to crunch through more since you aren't limited : to one set of clock cycles crunching your data. if there is a 10 CPU StrongARM : machine for around what a killer PPro (or even dual PPro) systems sells for : i will buy it. i'd probably buy two. Studies have shown that when it comes to cost/performance, dual CPUs are probably the best balance. Any more and you are adding external cache and paying for a CPU that will not be able to use its full throughput due to memory bus contention.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 22 Apr 1997 03:51:07 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5jhcjb$cgh$1@news2.digex.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> <5jhasp$7le$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> wrote: > Studies have shown that when it comes to cost/performance, dual > CPUs are probably the best balance. Any more and you are adding > external cache and paying for a CPU that will not be able to use > its full throughput due to memory bus contention. Don't you think this will go up at least somewhat with time? It seems like finally, nowadays, system throughput technology is finally becoming important... I.E. faster disksubsystems, faster card busses, faster memory types... I think that 4 cpu systems will be reasonable in the not too distant future (human time)...say 2 years... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School You're dangerous because you're honest
From: paul maddox <pmaddox@ridgecrest.ca.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,aus.computers.mac Subject: Developers Coalition idea Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:45:04 -0700 Organization: RidgeNET Message-ID: <335C1821.1FEF@ridgecrest.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apple's strategy for the future seems solid. They have superior hardware, the PowerMac, which just this week hit 300 MHz-- a clear win for the PowerPC Platform over the competition. To run this great hardware, they have a superior OS on the way -- Rhapsody, which will bring new meaning to the word modern and its associated buzzwords, and give some already impressive hardware a large performance boost. What Apple does not seem to have, however, is the crucial third piece of the computer puzzle-- applications. In order to make their new strategy compelling to the average consumer, Apple needs the support of developers to make office tools, games, and other applications that take advantage of this great hardware and OS. Without this support, and a large measure of it, Apple will go nowhere. Enter the Developer1s Coalition, a well-researched, hard-thought answer to this problem, and one that should put all support for Be and other alternatives out of the picture for good. Picture: * A new organization in which the various, usually competing, Mac hardware vendors *all* come together to encourage and fund development for the Mac OS-- a group composed of not just the AIM triad (Apple, IBM, Motorola), but also the 12 or so cloners, both large and small. * The stability and harmony such a group will bring the platform with its 3we1re all in the same boat2 message. * The reaction of developers to an organization with this breadth and resource level. * This same forum taking on many of the other platform-wide duties, such as evangelism and advertising-- like that PowerPC commercial everyone is longing for... * The tremendous boost in public confidence that will result from this move. Sound good? Then I need your help. The above organization exists only on paper. However, a group of enterprising people have hatched a plan to publicize the idea, hoping to create two reactions: one, let the press and developers know that there is a huge cadre of 3average Joe2 Mac users out there eager to see more programs developed for the Mac; and two, to get the different hardware vendors to either form such a group, or start contributing to an Apple-led effort to provide these benefits. This plan entails a massive e-mail campaign targeting all the Mac hardware vendors with cc's to all the Mac software developers. Address lists for these will be posted on the eve of the campaign. Following is the form letter. Pleae help us out by sending it to the provided mailing lists on or between the dates of *Sunday, April 20th* and *Saturday, April 27*. Thank you. * DC Home: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2633/dc.html * Complete Mac http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/dev.htm * MacMarines http://www.macmarines.com/dcnews/dcnews.html
From: David Chatterton <chatz@engr.sgi.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:20:44 +1000 Organization: Silicon Graphics Message-ID: <335C58BC.41C6@engr.sgi.com> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> <5jhasp$7le$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Saunders wrote: > > The mortal Wonko the Sane @ ~ wrote: > : SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets > : to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. > > SGI's like these are running highly specialized code like raytracers. And > we're talking about desktop archetectures here, where each CPU is fighting > for the same set of SIMMs. Don't try to convince me you can have an > infinite number of CPUs in such a configuration and linearly add > throughput to the system. It will level off. Go ask the people in the Be > newsgroup about it. > No, SGI's like these can run any elf IRIX 32bit & 64bit application. They are not fighting for the same set of SIMMs as memory is spread uniformly through the machine and shared by all processes. Pages can be moved closer to a processor if it requires a page more than other processors. Sure performance will flatten out as you add more CPUs, but NUMA-based architectures aim to minimise this. To take advantage of the architecture you carefully written applications, not specialised applications. David -- David Chatterton (61-3) 9882 8211 (Tel) R&D Software Engineer (61-3) 9882 8030 (Fax) Performance Tools Group http://reality.sgi.com/chatz Silicon Graphics Pty.Ltd., 357 Camberwell Rd, Melbourne, Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CD player set up References: <1997Apr21.222859.22882@il.us.swissbank.com> Organization: University of Calgary CPSC From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Message-ID: <335c5f01.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: 22 Apr 97 06:47:29 GMT In article <1997Apr21.222859.22882@il.us.swissbank.com>, <thomas_zhou@il.us.swissbank.com> wrote: >Hi, > >I was tring to play the audio CD with CD player which I found on the NeXT >but it can not find the CD Rom by itself. And the audio CD was ejected by >the CD ROM. >Anyone can tell me how to configure the CD player? > >Please reply to my account. > >Regards, >Tom I found it was necessary to have CDPlayer.app in /LocalApps (owned by root) for things to work. The CD-ROM is sd3 and it fires up automatically when I pop a disc in the CD-ROM drive. Firing up CDPlayer.app first does not seem to work. It seemed quite particular and was difficult to get running the first time (until I got all the bits right, the essence of which is above). Good luck. david ---- -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
From: neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nospam (Christian Neuss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 22 Apr 1997 07:56:46 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jhqvu$1q20@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <5jffhd$ss1$1@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Helmut Heller (heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de) wrote: > a friend of mine tried to upgrade from 3.3 to 4.1 and had problems. The > vendor then told him that this is because he did not go via upgrading > 3.3>4.0>4.1 but skipped 4.0. May be keep this in mind... I have upgraded several machines from 3.3 to 4.1, and not experienced any problems. Make sure though to delete the developer package before upgrading, as the 4.1 developer will otherwise leave files from 3.3 around, which give you various headaches. Anybody considering to buy 4.1 may wish to wait for 4.2 though. :-) All the best, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: <Marla@spaghetti.it> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcing... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 03:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199704221015.DAA28909@web1.zzz.com> Well, well. Here we are again. Staring at the computer screen instead of getting constructive work done. The solution? Let SUBMITKING (http://www.submitking.com) do the work for you. For just $10US (less than $1.43hr if you consider the time to do this yourself), they'll submit your URL to 100 marketing resources. You fill out 1 form, press the button, your done. Thought you'd be interested. Regards from Marla!
From: mmalcolm crawford <malcolm@plsys.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 22 Apr 1997 10:19:25 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Message-ID: <5ji3bd$ape$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> In-Reply-To: <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> On 04/21/97, Stefan Ried wrote: >John Michopoulos wrote: >> 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? >no, 4.2 will be out soon. > Seconded. >> What does it (4.1) contain more than 4.0? >it contains less (bugs) > Definitely. And it's faster. >> 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? >yes, 4.2 will be the final release before Rhapsody, which is able to run >OpenStep and NEXTStep Apps. Rhapsody will run OpenStep and Mac Apps, no >more NeXTStep Apps. (Or have anybody out there another information) > I can see no way in which NEXTSTEP apps would run on Rhapsody on PPC. Best wishes, mmalc. -- Malcolm Crawford (NeXTmail) malcolm@plsys.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)1494 432422 P & L Systems Fax: +44 (0)1494 432478 http://www.plsys.co.uk/~malcolm
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered Subject: NEXTSTEP/Contract-Long term/DC Area Date: 22 Apr 1997 11:46:17 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5ji8e9$6p0@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXTSTEP--------------------Commercial experience Objective C-----------------Commercial experience Contract--------------------Long Term Type of Contract------------W2 or 1099 Area------------------------DC Area Start Date------------------May 1997 To Be Considered------------Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: BillLee@cleaf.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: History keys ^P, ^N, ^B, ^F Date: 22 Apr 1997 14:05:48 GMT Organization: Intex.Net (http://www.intex.net/) Message-ID: <5jigjs$79c@animal.intex.net> References: <5j7fh2$o45@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> <5j7qs1$87l$1@news.internetmci.com> <5jgtgt$i7d$1@news1.ucsd.edu> cdl@proxima.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) wrote: > <snip> > >Well, perhaps you all have to learn the first thing about Cshell syntax: > >Don't put spaces around the = sign. > > set editmode=vi >or > set editmode=emacs > >as your taste requires. > >-- > carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego > clowenstein@ucsd.edu > Carl: Perhaps versions of csh vary from machine to machine, but your response is certainly not correct on my NeXT. Here's a cut-n-paste from a terminal window that disproves your statement. Regards, Bill Lee leeweyr-1: set x = 14 leeweyr-2: echo $x 14 leeweyr-3: set x=15 leeweyr-4: !e echo $x 15
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From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS April Quiz - last call + 2 more hints ! Date: 22 Apr 1997 19:24:14 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5jj38u$c56@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, last call (!) for the SSS April quiz on http://members.ping.at/stefan/quiz.html If you haven't participated yet, hurry! Deadline is May 1. Don't spoil your chance to win a free HelpViewer 1.3 or LatinByrd II license! Here's TWO MORE HINTS: 1) Q#1 reads "What's wrong this time"? Well, frankly, there's nothing really "wrong" with the picture. It's a still life - consisting of nothing but dead stone, dead sand, trees, and the sky. But in fact, there's something present which somehow doesn't fit. Note: SSS officially apologies for the sillyness of this photo. ;-) Just a picture shot in holiday mood... 2) Q#2 reads "At which ancient greek site has this photo been shot"? And a further hint contained in the web page says that this ancient site would be in the sports news every 4th summer. C'mon... that's an easy one! Note that it's not required to name the exact location of the temple (or whatever it might be) depicted in the image - the name of the ancient site/town will suffice. And BTW it's *NOT* the place where the ancient Greek Gods live! (Although the name is similar.) Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://members.ping.at/stefan/
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 22 Apr 1997 19:45:47 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5jj4hb$n53$1@news.digifix.com> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5ji3bd$ape$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5ji3bd$ape$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> On 04/22/97, mmalcolm crawford wrote: >On 04/21/97, Stefan Ried wrote: >>John Michopoulos wrote: >>> 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? >>no, 4.2 will be out soon. >> >Seconded. > >>> What does it (4.1) contain more than 4.0? >>it contains less (bugs) >> >Definitely. And it's faster. > >>> 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? >>yes, 4.2 will be the final release before Rhapsody, which is able to run >>OpenStep and NEXTStep Apps. Rhapsody will run OpenStep and Mac Apps, no >>more NeXTStep Apps. (Or have anybody out there another information) >> >I can see no way in which NEXTSTEP apps would run on Rhapsody on PPC. > I can see a way... if Apple also ported the 'legacy libs' that ship with OS 4.1 on Mach... and ran the 68000 code using an emulator. Or maybe in the blue box under Connectixs' Virtual PC... But then again, I'm seeing pink elephants fly past my window right now... I think I'll join them... -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.misc From: sc@netcom.com Subject: FS - wwdc ticket Message-ID: <scE9247u.HA8@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:43:06 GMT Sender: sc@netcom11.netcom.com World wide dev conference ticket for the week. $900. SC@netcom.com
From: D.F. <frakes@gseis.ucla.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Soft power-down Date: 21 Apr 1997 21:03:57 GMT Organization: . Distribution: world Message-ID: <5jgknt$1o7k@uni.library.ucla.edu> References: <5j5q0v$bh0@netnews.upenn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33571F2E.70D1@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Eric A. Dubiel, eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu writes: >> Actually, the 61xx line does have it. The only difference is that you >> have to physically turn off the power after the "soft" shut down, where >> on other models the power is turned off automatically. But all the >> PowerMacs have "soft" power down. > >None of you get it. > >It's about when you "PUSH" the button on the back of the unit! Actually, I think none of _anyone_ gets it ;-). Would the original poster please restate their question a bit clearer? Dan frakes@kagi.com The InformInit Mac User 5-Mice, MacWorld Online Pick, AOL MUT Shareware of the Year <http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/DEF/InformInit.html> Version 1.4, covering System 7.6.1, coming soon...
From: rbarris@quicksilver.com (Rob Barris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PPP on NextStation? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:55:53 -0700 Organization: Quicksilver Software, Inc. Message-ID: <rbarris-ya023280002204971455530001@news.intelenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject line says it all. I currently use Apple OT-PPP on my PowerMac, along with a USR modem, and "tia" PPP-emulator on a Netcom shell account to dial in to the Internet from home. What do I have to add to my NextStation running 3.3 User to get PPP dial-up capabilities (if anything)? Further, where's a good place to start looking for Internet apps on NextStep? Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@quicksilver.com * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
From: godwin@unixg.ubc.ca (Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP on NextStation? Date: 22 Apr 1997 22:52:05 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <5jjfel$ekj$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <rbarris-ya023280002204971455530001@news.intelenet.com> www.thoughtport.com tim's page.. www.peak.org/~luomat is a good place to start! Godwin Rob Barris (rbarris@quicksilver.com) wrote: : Subject line says it all. I currently use Apple OT-PPP on my : PowerMac, along with a USR modem, and "tia" PPP-emulator on a Netcom shell : account to dial in to the Internet from home. : What do I have to add to my NextStation running 3.3 User to get PPP : dial-up capabilities (if anything)? Further, where's a good place to start : looking for Internet apps on NextStep? : Rob Barris : Quicksilver Software Inc. : rbarris@quicksilver.com : * Opinions expressed not necessarily those of my employer *
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From: mseibert@ita1.inow.com (Matt Seibert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Misc Questions Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 00:05:55 GMT Organization: Wildfire Technologies Message-ID: <5jjjq3$a7s@news.jump.net> Looking for a NeXT Guru who can tell me: (Black Hardware Questions) Is it possible to change the root pattern in the X Windows environment to be a XBM (or similar)? How? Is the lowest device ID on the SCSI controller the one that is booted from? What ID does the controller own? (ie on a PC, Controller is standard ID 7, and boot disk is standard ID 0) What would DSP memory get me? Would it be worthwhile to invest in some? Where would I get it? What is the Max memory configuration of a NextStation Mono Turbo? I am roughly familiar with Linux and SunOS, so standard UNIX stuff I've got. How do I go about installing and / or compiling new apps? And for the real winner: Where can I get a few good FAQs, a group of FAQs, or a reference manual? Matt please reply to mseibert@ita1.inow.com, news sux from here
From: dblakele@mercury.interpath.net (Dean D. Blakeley - Personal Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Status of NEXTTIME Date: 23 Apr 1997 00:27:32 GMT Organization: Interpath Message-ID: <5jjl1k$p1j@redstone.interpath.net> Is NEXTTIME still available as a product or has it been dropped and picked up by somebody else? Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Jones St Family Medicine _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | 618 West Jones Street \\// Office Tel # (919) 755-1888 | | Raleigh NC 27603 \/ #include <disclaim.whsi.h> |
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From: lhow@ecr.mu.oz.au (Luke HOWARD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 23 Apr 1997 05:13:45 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, University of Melbourne Message-ID: <5jk5q9$4vg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> References: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <335B283F.794B@mpip-mainz.mpg.de> <5ji3bd$ape$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <5jj4hb$n53$1@news.digifix.com> : I can see a way... if Apple also ported the 'legacy libs' : that ship with OS 4.1 on Mach... and ran the 68000 code using an : emulator. Being able to NXHost apps would at least let me put a cube in the corner and run those legacy apps :-) -- Luke
From: meixner@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Matthias Meixner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Date: 23 Apr 1997 11:40:42 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5jksfq$1bdd@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> Wonko the Sane @ ~ (wonko@rtfm.wonko.net) wrote: > In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Andreas Dehmel wrote: > >Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: > > > >>Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to > >>use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about > >>4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. > > > >I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't > >mean that, at any rate. > >Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd > >do that if it weren't worthwhile. > SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets > to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. AFAIK they are not using SMP hardware-wise. Only up to 4 (or 8, ...?) Processors can access the same memory. However the OS is used to simulate SMP by using some sort of paging. One Page of memory is 'owned' by one group of processors and can only be written by the owner of it. If another processor wants to write to it, you get a page fault and the OS transfers this page to the other set of processors (OK, it's actually a bit more complicated). By this it looks as if it were SMP to the software. The side effect of this way to do things is, that the performace drops dramatically, if all processors want to access the same memory at the same time. However, if you don't have that much accesses to this shared-memory, performance scales quite well. -- - Matthias Meixner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- EMail: meixner@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de WWW: http://www.student.informatik.th-darmstadt.de/~meixner/ Uebrigens: Nachts gehen Sonnenuhren nach dem Mond ...
From: "Dirk Herr-Hoyman" <dirk@joe.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Building db.1.85 on 3.3 Date: 23 Apr 1997 13:49:06 GMT Organization: Berbee Information Networks Corporation Message-ID: <01bc4fed$52c0c5e0$9a1f9bce@madison> I have Next 3.3 system that I would like to build the Berkeley DB on, for use with Perl 5. The DB 1.85 release does not have a PORT for the Next. 1) Does someone have such a PORT done? 2) If not, which of these existing PORT would be the best to start from: aix.3.2/ bsd.4.4/ bsdi.1.0/ dgux.5.4/ hpux.8.07/ hpux.9.01/ irix.4.05F/ linux/ osf.1.0.2/ osf.1.3/ osf.2.0/ ptx.2.0/ sinix.5.41/ solaris.2.2/ sunos.4.1.1/ sunos.4.1.2/ sunos.4.1.3/ sunos.5.2/ ultrix.4.2/ ultrix.4.3/ TIA -- Dirk Herr-Hoyman <hoymand@joe.org> Journal of Extension
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Misc Questions Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:38:04 -0400 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <snLZQAO00WBO43l45V@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5jjjq3$a7s@news.jump.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 23-Apr-97 Misc Questions by Matt Seibert@ita1.inow.c > Is it possible to change the root pattern in the X Windows environment to > be a XBM (or similar)? How? Did whatever version of X you have installed come with 'xsetroot'? Try that.... > Is the lowest device ID on the SCSI controller the one that is booted from? Yes. > What ID does the controller own? (ie on a PC, Controller is standard ID 7, > and boot disk is standard ID 0) The SCSI controller is ID 7. > What would DSP memory get me? Probably nothing, unless you're doing something special with sounds & MIDI or doing some DSP programming. > Would it be worthwhile to invest in some? Probably no, but it depends on what you want to do. > Where would I get it? You might be able to buy some used DSP memory from someone, but I don't even know whether that style of memory is still being manufactured. > What is the Max memory configuration of a NextStation Mono Turbo? 128 MB; four 32-MB 72-pin SIMMs. > I am roughly familiar with Linux and SunOS, so standard UNIX stuff I've got. > How do I go about installing and / or compiling new apps? NEXTSTEP software generally comes in packages-- ie, files with a .pkg extension. Double-click on such a file to run Installer.app, which is very user friendly (you shouldn't have any problems). As for compiling software, you need to have NEXTSTEP/Developer installed. > And for the real winner: > Where can I get a few good FAQs, a group of FAQs, or a reference manual? Take a look at /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin, NeXTAnswers (www.next.com), and Stepwise (www.stepwise.com). -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Status of NEXTTIME Date: 23 Apr 1997 18:38:05 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5jlkud$8c@news.next.com> References: <5jjl1k$p1j@redstone.interpath.net> Dean D. Blakeley - Personal Account writes > Is NEXTTIME still available as a product or has it been dropped and > picked up by somebody else? It's included on the release, starting with OPENSTEP 4.0. I don't know if you can still get the 3.X version as a separate product - I kind of doubt it, though. -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Status of NEXTTIME Message-ID: <E93sKv.D1@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <5jjl1k$p1j@redstone.interpath.net> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:26:55 GMT dblakele@mercury.interpath.net (Dean D. Blakeley - Personal Account) wrote: > Is NEXTTIME still available as a product or has it been dropped and picked > up by somebody else? > It has been picked up by Apple ;-) and will morph with QuickTime 3.0...nobody knows which parts of NEXTIME will remain...but OPENSTEP definitly will continue to offer a "QuickTime-player solution" in the future. Aloha Tomi
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yuwaraj@ecf.toronto.edu (Murugathas Yuwaraj) Subject: Xnext on NextStep 3.0 Sender: news@ecf.toronto.edu (News Administrator) Message-ID: <E942tB.C03@ecf.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:07:59 GMT Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Greetings everyone! I am trying to install Xnext on my NextStation (running NS3.0). During the installation stage, the pre_install script complains that it cannot find gunzip. I do not believe the post_installation script is executed at all. But the installation does not abort. At the end of installation, the critical files like startx and xinit and not installed! NOTE: I have gunzip installed in /usr/local/bin Has anyone experienced this problem? Is this a problem with `gunzip_package' or `gunzip' installation? Any pointer would be MUCH appreciated. Please send responses to thas@ibme.utoronto.ca and I will compile the responses and post them in this news group. Thanx. -Thas
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From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Xnext on NextStep 3.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:02:53 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970424055241.18199A-100000@kira> References: <E942tB.C03@ecf.toronto.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Murugathas Yuwaraj <yuwaraj@ecf.toronto.edu> In-Reply-To: <E942tB.C03@ecf.toronto.edu> > NOTE: I have gunzip installed in /usr/local/bin > Has anyone experienced this problem? > Is this a problem with `gunzip_package' or `gunzip' > installation? Could be. Try linking 'gzip' and 'gunzip' to /usr/bin/ and see if it works. I might actually consider this a problem with the install script that isn't smart enough to checkout the entire $PATH whereisgunzip=`sh -c "which gunzip" |awk '{print $1}'` if [ "$whereisgunzip" = "no" ] then echo "There is no gunzip installed" exit 1 else GUNZIP="$whereisgunzip" fi $GUNZIP /path/to/file.tar.gz Simple enough... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/
From: bchin@freedomnet.com (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Status of NEXTTIME Date: 24 Apr 1997 18:22:53 GMT Organization: FreedomNet - Your Full Service Internet Provider Message-ID: <5jo8dt$82l$1@news.freedomnet.com> References: <5jjl1k$p1j@redstone.interpath.net> dblakele@mercury.interpath.net (Dean D. Blakeley - Personal Account) wrote: >Is NEXTTIME still available as a product or has it been dropped and picked >up by somebody else? The NEXTIME application and runtime is a standard part of the OPENSTEP for Mach releases. A NEXTIME OPENSTEP framework is available with OPENSTEP Mach Developer. However, since NEXTIME is not part of the OPENSTEP API and there is merging to be done with Apple's QuickTime, how NEXTIME looks under Rhapsody is uncertain. Your best bet to get NEXTIME for NS 3.[23] is to get it from csn.marketplace or just upgrade to OPENSTEP for Mach 4.x. ..Bill Chin
From: 0056189@ccmail.emis.mac.com (Larry Lattman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech,aus.computers.mac Subject: Re: Developers Coalition idea Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:51:06 -0700 Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company Message-ID: <0056189-2304972151060001@max2-rs-ca-36.earthlink.net> References: <335C1821.1FEF@ridgecrest.ca.us> In article <335C1821.1FEF@ridgecrest.ca.us>, paul maddox <pmaddox@ridgecrest.ca.us> wrote: > Apple's strategy for the future seems solid. > They have superior hardware, the PowerMac, which just this week hit > 300 MHz-- a clear win for the PowerPC Platform > over the competition. > To run this great hardware, they have a superior OS on the way -- > Rhapsody, which will bring new meaning to the word > modern and its associated buzzwords, and give some already impressive > hardware a large performance boost. > What Apple does not seem to have, however, is the crucial third piece > of the computer puzzle-- applications. In order to > make their new strategy compelling to the average consumer, Apple needs > the support of developers to make office tools, > games, and other applications that take advantage of this great hardware > and OS. Without this support, and a large measure of > it, Apple will go nowhere. > Enter the Developer1s Coalition, a well-researched, hard-thought > answer to this problem, and one that should put all support > for Be and other alternatives out of the picture for good. > > Picture: > * A new organization in which the various, usually competing, Mac > hardware vendors *all* come together to encourage and > fund development for the Mac OS-- a group composed of not just the AIM > triad (Apple, IBM, Motorola), but also the 12 or so > cloners, both large and small. > * The stability and harmony such a group will bring the platform with > its 3we1re all in the same boat2 message. > * The reaction of developers to an organization with this breadth and > resource level. > * This same forum taking on many of the other platform-wide duties, such > as evangelism and advertising-- like that PowerPC > commercial everyone is longing for... > * The tremendous boost in public confidence that will result from this > move. > > Sound good? > Then I need your help. > The above organization exists only on paper. However, a group of > enterprising people have hatched a plan to publicize the > idea, hoping to create two reactions: one, let the press and developers > know that there is a huge cadre of 3average Joe2 Mac > users out there eager to see more programs developed for the Mac; and > two, to get the different hardware vendors to either > form such a group, or start contributing to an Apple-led effort to > provide these benefits. > This plan entails a massive e-mail campaign targeting all the Mac > hardware vendors with cc's to all the Mac software > developers. Address lists for these will be posted on the eve of the > campaign. Following is the form letter. Pleae help us out by > sending it to the provided mailing lists on or between the dates of > *Sunday, April 20th* and *Saturday, April 27*. > Thank you. > > * DC Home: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2633/dc.html > * Complete Mac http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/dev.htm > * MacMarines http://www.macmarines.com/dcnews/dcnews.html This looks like a great idea!! I think that it's about time all of the manufactures and developers of Mac OS hardware and software start working together, not fighting with each other. It's time for the end user to sound off in a loud and unitified voice. What do you the rest of you think? -- If you think I speak for my company, I have a bridge I would like to sell you for a real good price. Larry Lattman Sr. Multi Media Tech. Hughes Aircraft Company Sensors and Communications Systems
From: dcase@case.com (David Case) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Webbrowsers for NextStep on MOT ? Date: 24 Apr 1997 18:32:14 GMT Organization: scruz-net Message-ID: <5jo8ve$t94@news.scruz.net> I am looking for a web browser for a Nextstation running 3.2. I tried Omniweb and Nexus but, I don't have the foundation set (where can I get it?) needed for Omniweb and Nexus doesn't seem to want to use the proxy server I am going thru even though everything else does just fine. Thanks, David Case CASE Electronics - 4770 Soquel Drive - Suite D - Soquel - California - 95073 (408)479-0759
From: ehutch@hypnos.norden1.com (E. Hutchinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.contract,dc.jobs Subject: NEXT/Contract--Long term/DC Area Date: 25 Apr 1997 11:16:58 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Message-ID: <5jq3ra$ig9@tofu.alt.net> Programmer/analyst/developer NEXTSTEP----------------------Commercial experience Objective C-------------------Commercial experience Position----------------------Contract Contract----------------------Long term Benefits----------------------Available Area--------------------------DC Area(not MCI) To Be Considered--------------Fax resume or mail a hard copy. -- ehutch@norden1.com (419) 893-6367 [fax] Omni Search (419) 893-6334 [voice] 1310 Craig Maumee, Ohio 43537
From: jabi@acsu.buffalo.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Glimpse of Apple's plan for Rhapsody Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:02:56 -0400 Organization: University At Buffalo Message-ID: <335FA03C.3683@arch.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: jabi Hi: I recently browsed the positions announced by Apple for Rhapsody work and here is a summary of what they are interested in: Java language access to OpenStep Pure AWT implementation on top of OpenStep Integrating Java Beans with OpenStep Develop apps to ship as part of Rhapsody: Mail, Installer, Preferences, NetInfo Make OpenStep applications scriptable preferrably using AppleScript. The Java Client project (Siva) extends the strengths of NeXT's Enterprise Objects Framework (EOF) and WebObjects Framework to the design of highly interactive multi-tier Java applications. Responsibilities: implement InterfaceBuilder for Java UI toolkits (adapting NeXT InterfaceBuilder) Of course, there are others such as core OS and EOF... but these are ones that attracted my attention. -- w a s s i m j a b i :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Dept. of Architecture http://libra.arch.buffalo.edu/www/ University at Buffalo EMail: wjabi@arch.buffalo.edu 3435 Main St. - Hayes Tel: +1 (716) 829-3483 Buffalo, NY 14214 USA Fax: +1 (716) 829-3256
From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OS 4.0 Upgrade dies.... Date: 25 Apr 1997 13:00:53 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5jq9u5$696$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Despite all your good advice on waiting for 4.2 I decided to go ahead and upgrade just one machine from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0 just to see the new features (especially True Type fonts and Samba). At about 75% of the upgrade process, a panel came up indicating that "Upgrade Process Failed, Thread died". Is this one of the reasons I should have waited for 4.2 :-) , or indeed this is something that can be fixed. Any ideas? Regards --john ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2189 or -2165 | | Naval Research Laboratory | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Code 6380 |e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil| | Washington DC 20375-5000 | michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil|
From: John Weaver <jweaver@sdsu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:04:06 -0700 Organization: San Diego State University Message-ID: <3360E406.65C8@sdsu.edu> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Keating wrote: > > Ling Wang wrote: > > > You bonehead!!!! a GFLOP=1,000 MFLOPS!! DO THE MATH!!! actually it is 1024, but who really cares ? -- john weaver -- jweaver@sdsu.edu | be different, conform.
From: real-address-in-sig@astrid.u-net.com (Rebecca and Rowland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc, Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:47:55 +0100 Organization: Frisian Liberation Front Message-ID: <19970425194755309700@p23.ascend3.is2.u-net.net> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin.de> <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> <3360E406.65C8@sdsu.edu> John Weaver <jweaver@sdsu.edu> wrote: > Daniel Keating wrote: > > > > Ling Wang wrote: > > > > > You bonehead!!!! a GFLOP=1,000 MFLOPS!! DO THE MATH!!! > > actually it is 1024, but who really cares ? Depends on whose doing the maths. Scientifically speaking, Giga (G) = x10^9 Mega (M) = x10^6 kilo (k) = x10^3 If you're talking about computer memory, it's common to use `K' to mean 1024. Notice the use of lower and upper case. So some people reckon M (relating to memory) should be 1024 x 1024, and G (relating to memory) should be 1024^3. There's no real justification for measuring *everything* to do with computers in this way. Amusingly, the reason people think that PC 3.5in HD floppies hold more than Mac 3.5in HD floppies is that Apple means 1024 x 1024 to mean M (hence 1.4MB Mac discs) and the PC people mean 1024 x 1000 to mean M applied to these floppies (hence 1.44MB PC discs). Rowland. -- Take the continent out of the line below to construct my email address: rebecca at astrid dot africa stop u-net period com Apologies for the inconvenience. The last junk emailler to bother me was Tele987@cobunet.com
From: Gerard Tromp <tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:27:20 -0400 Organization: CMMG, Wayne State University Message-ID: <33610598.7807@sanger.med.wayne.edu> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Keating wrote: > > Ling Wang wrote: > > > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. > > > > Where did that bogus information come from? Cray would > > make a cray with a MFLOPS/CPU slower than their Cray I > > of 30 years ago? 50GFLOPS/16382CPUS ~ 3MFLOPS ~ R2K or ~ PPro > > You bonehead!!!! a GFLOP=1,000 MFLOPS!! DO THE MATH!!! Calm down. He _did_ the math: 50,000 MFLOPS / 16,382 CPUs = 3.052... MFLOPS per CPU. Gerard -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Gerard Tromp, Ph.D. CMMG, Wayne State University vox: 313-577-8773 3116, Scott Hall fax: 313-577-5218 540 E Canfield Ave e-mail: tromp@sanger.med.wayne.edu Detroit, MI 48201 gtromp@cmb.biosci.wayne.edu
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Webbrowsers for NextStep on MOT ? Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:22:15 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970425120741.3163D-100000@kira> References: <5jo8ve$t94@news.scruz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: David Case <dcase@case.com> In-Reply-To: <5jo8ve$t94@news.scruz.net> > I am looking for a web browser for a Nextstation running 3.2. I tried > Omniweb and Nexus but, I don't have the foundation set (where can I get > it?) needed for Omniweb and Nexus doesn't seem to want to use the proxy > server I am going thru even though everything else does just fine. This is a very large FAQ... I think I answered this just yesterday on csn.software. The patch is on the first page of my web page, and is also available from NeXTanswers... (the one from PEAK is compressed with gzip so it is smaller). This information should be in the FAQ, but if it isn't you could have found it by searching for the word 'foundation' in NeXTanswers. You can search NeXTanswers from my page -- 'goto 'other sites' from the main TOC TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more.
From: michael@curie (Michael Verruto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Customized Login Screens? Date: 25 Apr 1997 21:14:19 GMT Organization: HPI Capital, LLC Message-ID: <5jr6rb$c70@corporate.hesta.com> I posted this on comp.sys.next.sysadmin, but thought it might be better here... There used to be custom login screens for 3.3 some of which are still up on PEAK. Can someone tell me how to get them to work under OPENSTEP 4.x (M68+Intel). Maybe a template or too so I might experiment.... Thanks. -- Michael Styles Verruto - michael@hesta.com
From: DAVID HOUTS <dhouts@haywire.csuhayward.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A very serious call to moderate csn.mi Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:05:36 -0700 Organization: Information Resources and Technology Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970425165911.8241A-100000@haywire> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970420125638.12895M-100000@kira> I concurr. I am a NS newbie, and it seems that since the Apple aquisition, I must work through a lot of chaff or noise to get to some USEFUL and relevant info about NS. Thank you for volunteering to moderate. And thanks to you and all other experienced NS users & administrators for the the experiences and knowledge shared in these groups.
From: rlarson@semlab5.sbs.sunysb.edu (Richard K. Larson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Cornell NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Users? Date: 25 Apr 1997 14:57:35 GMT Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Message-ID: <5jqgov$cta$1@abel.ic.sunysb.edu> Are there any NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP users out there in the Cornell area who would be willing to help us set up a demonstration of an app running under NS/OS? Basically we need someone who could answer questions about: (i) the requirements on a machine running NS/OS, installing the system software, (iii) installing a normal app. Any help you can render would be greatly appreciated! If you can help, please contact me by email. - Richard Larson SUNY - Stony Brook rlarson@semlab5.sbs.sunysb.edu
From: Daniel Keating <dkeating@maths.kst.dit.ie> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:32:24 -0700 Organization: Dublin Institute of Technology Message-ID: <336130F8.1C3B@maths.kst.dit.ie> References: groups/s.amiga.applications/8379.head <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ling Wang wrote: > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > On 16 Apr 1997 15:49:09 Stephen Westin wrote about "Re: Why Crays are fas": > > > > > I'm afraid Maury was a bit inaccurate; the Cray-1 was capable of 150 > > > MFLOPS (millions of floating-point operations per second). I think the > > > MIPS number would be lower, as many operations could be executed in > > > one instruction in the Cray's vector architecture. > > > > > > The 6502 probably was closer to the Cray in MIPS, but below the 1 > > > KFLOPS level. > > > > Stephen, > > > > Want to hear fast. Got these numbers from a PBS show on supercomputers. > > > > Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. > > Where did that bogus information come from? Cray would > make a cray with a MFLOPS/CPU slower than their Cray I > of 30 years ago? 50GFLOPS/16382CPUS ~ 3MFLOPS ~ R2K or ~ PPro You bonehead!!!! a GFLOP=1,000 MFLOPS!! DO THE MATH!!!
From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc, Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc, Date: 26 Apr 1997 06:23:23 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5js70r$i6h@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <5iuqgt$fma$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <maury-1504971158110001@199.166.204.230> <3354AFA1.4134@echo.chem.tu-berlin. Rebecca and Rowland (real-address-in-sig@astrid.u-net.com) wrote: : : So some people reckon M (relating to memory) should be 1024 x 1024, and : G (relating to memory) should be 1024^3. There's no real justification : for measuring *everything* to do with computers in this way. Well, 1024 = 2^10 1024 x 1024 = 2^20 1024 x 1024 x 1024 = 2^30 It just scales so nicely. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |this post is (C)1997 Josh Hesse and may not be transmitted in any form,| |on any machine that is connected in any way to The Microsoft Network(TM).| | Violators of this clause are required to buy me the item of my choice, | |from Comic World(TM) Lincoln Nebraska, at no less than one per violation| | I regret to announce that due to recent advances in spammer technonogy | | I will no longer include my non-spam-trap email address in my .sig. If | | you absolutly have to email me, "finger" this account for proper address | | Do not send mail to president@198.137.241.30 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Message-ID: <root.0pdj@sweetdreams.lahn.de> From: mbethke@sweetdreams.lahn.de (Matthias Bethke) Organization: Sweet Dreams BBS Subject: Re: Why Crays are fast Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 01:55:46 MES-2 References: <SWESTIN.97Apr16114909@dsg145.nad.ford.com> <5j3mqo$bu9$1@news.skylink.net> <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> RFC1036/822 apg.lahn.de [UNIX/Connect v0.75-t1] In article <335B70D5.5AAF@jpmorgan.com> wang_ling@jpmorgan.com (Ling Wang) writes: > > Cray IIIa: 50 gigaflops, 16382 parallel processors. > > Where did that bogus information come from? Cray would > make a cray with a MFLOPS/CPU slower than their Cray I > of 30 years ago? 50GFLOPS/16382CPUS ~ 3MFLOPS ~ R2K or ~ PPro A PPro with 3MFLOPS? That's just as bogus. I'm not sure how fast it is exactly but I guess at least 30-40MFLOPS. bye! Matthias -- GMC/O d-- s+: a-- C+++>$ UBA++ P+ L+ E- W+@ N+++ o+ K? w--- !O M V- PS+++ PE-- Y+ PGP>+ t 5 X- R tv- b++ DI D--- G e+ h r- y+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dwagley@netcom.com (Doug Wagley) Subject: NeXT hardware support? Message-ID: <dwagleyE99C25.2Gr@netcom.com> Followup-To: poster Keywords: hardware printer Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:15:40 GMT Sender: dwagley@netcom5.netcom.com Is anyone still providing maintenance for NeXT hardware? I have an unhappy NeXT laser printer that has developed a high pitched whine and waits a very long time before feeding the sheet. It then just prints a thin horizontal smear across the paper. I'm in the metro Denver area. If anybody knows who could provide service please let me know. Thanks, Doug dwagley@netcom.com
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <26385861508830@digifix.com> Date: 27 Apr 1997 03:59:44 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <25195862113623@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: Anthony McCreath <mccreath@anet-dfw.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Amiga Chats With Gateways COO Rick Snyder! Date: 21 Apr 97 02:58:18 +0500 Organization: ANET Internet Services. Message-ID: <4633.7050T178T943@anet-dfw.com> References: <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <slrn5lgc3a.4nj.wonko@rtfm.asylum.net> >In article <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Andreas Dehmel >wrote: >>Glenn Saunders <krishna@primenet.com> writes: >> >>>Massively parallel is not the future due to the bottleneck of having to >>>use a central memory pool. This gives you a realistic maximum of about >>>4CPUs before it's just not worth it anymore. >> >>I don't think "massively parallel" means everything on one bus. I didn't >>mean that, at any rate. >>Look at the RealityMonster from SGI: 8 - 16 processors, I doubt they'd >>do that if it weren't worthwhile. >SGI has been building machine with up to 128 R10000 CPUs in one box. it gets >to be "not worth it" after 4?? we think not. It depends on what is being done and how the memory is managed. A system related to my work is also quoting a useful limit of 4 while it can handle 12. The reason is that after a point there are to many memory access collisions which require fold back for the loosing processors. When the foldbacks become to much you end up running slower than with less processors. Another problem is that pre-parallel software cannot use more than one processor, therefore limiting the usefulness of 128 processors if your running one app. which cannot sync itself over several processors. I believe this is a major problem with the Multi-Processor mac systems. >>For instance what's wrong with providing one SIMM slot for each processor? >>If it's empty it can share memory with another processor; that way you >>can ideally have each processor on its own bus - at a price... a small >>price, considering RAM prices. And you don't have to give each of these >>32 MB or something, even a measly 2MB should be enough to make good use >>of "slave" processors. You can always get data from the main (shared) >>memory using message transfer. For instance raytracing: download the >>raytracer and its data to each processor's private RAM area and partition >>the area to render on startup. The only time the shared memory will be >>accessed then is when a pixel is written out - you can even cache this 'til >>everything is finished. Apart from that you get say 10 processors working >>at full speed and independent of each other - a distributed approach. This is another style of Multi-Processor systems with its own problems. Effectively your setting up your own little intranet in one computer. To do a combination as you suggest, you are realy talking about a large cache. >this is similar to what the 128CPU SGI machines do. an R10000 can have up to >2MB of cache RAM (really super-duper fast ram) and 4G of shared RAM (slower >DRAM speeds) that is what made those things so impressive. that is also >what made them cost more than all of us combined could afford. I should read ahead :-) >>But I think Acorn are on the right track too. At least they have a vision >>and don't just steal other people's ideas, implement them badly and then >>market the poor result as the best thing since sliced bread. The multi- >>processing RPC has big potential; we'll have to see how it does in real >>life. >if i could buy a 10 CPU StrongARM (with FP Units of course) machine for the >price of a PPro, you can bet your ass i'd buy the 10 CPU StrongARM machine. >i've been in the UNIX world for a very long time, and just about every single >UNIX vendor favors multiple slower CPUs over one really fast CPU. the reason >is obvious, no matter how big and bad your CPU is it can only do so much. >4 slower CPUs will be able to crunch through more since you aren't limited >to one set of clock cycles crunching your data. if there is a 10 CPU >StrongARM machine for around what a killer PPro (or even dual PPro) systems >sells for i will buy it. i'd probably buy two. I think the Massive-Parallel systems are useful for certian situations, which I think rendering is one, where each process can get on with its job on its own, however it starts stumbling when interaction is involved, e.g GUI, I/O. >-brian >-- >The fundamental difference between Unix and the Macintosh operating system is >that Unix was designed to please programmers, whereas the Mac was designed to > please users. (Windows, on the other hand, was designed to please >accountants, but that's another story.) > --The UNIX-HATERS Handbook I agree :-) >=== End Transmission === ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony McCreath mccreath@anet-dfw.com Telecom's Software Engineer Amiga4000/060,44Meg,CV64 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: paellieon@hotmail.com (Capt.) Newsgroups: alt.flame.macintosh,alt.news.newusers-mac,alt.sources.mac,alt.sys.mac.newuser-help,biz.marketplace.computers.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.games.action,comp.sys.mac.graphics,comp.sys.mac.hardware.video,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.cards.video,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.misc,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.portables,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.software,misc.forsale.computers.mac-specific.systems,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Developer Coalition Idea -- Read! Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:17:44 -0600 Organization: University of Kansas Computing Services Message-ID: <paellieon-ya02408000R2604972217440001@news.cc.ukans.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apple's strategy for the future seems solid. They have superior hardware, the PowerMac, which just this week hit 300 MHz-- a clear win for the PowerPC Platform over the competition. To run this great hardware, they have a superior OS on the way -- Rhapsody, which will bring new meaning to the word modern and its associated buzzwords, and give some already impressive hardware a large performance boost. What Apple does not seem to have, however, is the crucial third piece of the computer puzzle-- applications. In to make their new strategy compelling to the average consumer, Apple needs the support of developers to make office tools, games, and other applications that take advantage of this great hardware and OS. Without this support, and a large measure of it, Apple will go nowhere. Enter the Developer's Coalition, a well-researched, hard-thought answer to this problem, and one that should put all support for Be and other alternatives out of the picture for good. Picture: * A new organization in which the various, usually competing, Mac hardware vendors *all* come together to encourage and fund development for the Mac OS-- a group composed of not just the AIM triad (Apple, IBM, Motorola), but also the 12 or so cloners, both large and small. * The stability and harmony such a group will bring the platform with its we're all in the same boat together message. * The reaction of developers to an organization with this breadth and resource level. * This same forum taking on many of the other platform-wide duties, such as evangelism and advertising-- like that PowerPC commercial everyone is longing for... * The tremendous boost in public confidence that will result from this move. Sound good? Then I need your help. The above organization exists only on paper. However, a group of enterprising people have hatched a plan to publicize the idea, hoping to create two reactions: one, let the press and developers know that there is a huge cadre of "average Joe" Mac users out there eager to see more programs developed for the Mac; and two, to get the different hardware vendors to either form such a group, or start contributing to an Apple-led effort to provide these benefits. This plan entails a massive e-mail campaign targeting all the Mac hardware vendors with cc's to all the Mac software developers. Address lists for these will be posted on the eve of the campaign. Following is the form letter. Please help us out by sending it to the provided mailing lists on or between the dates of *Sunday, April 20th* and *Saturday, April 26*. Thank you. * DC Home: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2633/dc.html * Complete Mac http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/dev.html * MacMarines http://www.macmarines.com/dcnews/dcnews.html -- Remove ".nospam" for a valid e-mail address.
From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Parallel is not new Date: 16 Apr 1997 13:46:49 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Message-ID: <5j1i39$1fs@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <5i4o8j$be$1@newserve.gulftel.com> <ant0522226d2Txv#@rharding.demon.co.uk> <ant061443d07uq=A@tower.enterprise.net> <ant0702560b0tCdA@anthony.om.com.au> <33490079.211083932@news.jersey.net> <5idb8n$a4k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <5iknl9$hc2$1@nnrp01.primenet.com> <5ildf6$hgr@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <334F97E6.484F@txdirect.net> <5ipqaq$5ru@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <33529CBC.2EACB2CA@ix.netcom.com> <5iv5va$u6@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> <3353F298.C9DCCE0D@ix.netcom.com> "J.Covington" <cov3@ix.netcom.com> writes: >Bernd Meyer wrote: >> Well, I wouldn't mind building such a gimmick myself, if the US defense >> department pays several megabucks for it ;-) >Let's hope they are prepared to spend megabucks to administer and >support it after the megabuck sale...:) Yes, of course. And guess who would have the expertise to land that support contract ;-) Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 4.0 vs 4.1 Openstep Date: 17 Apr 1997 19:19:36 GMT Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC Message-ID: <5j5t48$eqh$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil> When I order some upgrades from NeXTSTEP 3.3 to Openstep 4.0 I had not realized that 4.1 Would come up so soon. I did not proceed to the actual upgrades and now that my 3.3 is corrupt I am considering going to 4.0 OS (on Black Hardware). So the following questions came up? 1. Is it worth ordering 4.1 ? What does it contain more than 4.0? 2. Are NeXTSTEP 3.3 Apps still runnable under Openstep 4.0? 3. Is there something that I have to be aware (other than the release notes) before I upgrade from NS 3.3 to OS 4.0or1 ? Any pointers will be highly appreciated! Thanks everybody --john ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2189 or -2165 | | Naval Research Laboratory | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Code 6380 |e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil| | Washington DC 20375-5000 | michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil|
From: Timothy Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [triviality warning] You might be a NeXT fanatic if... Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:17:12 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970428061352.12888A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: John sechrest <next-ftp@peak.org> You goto the peak (http://www.peak.org) homepage and see this: New: Jobs at PEAK And wonder why (Steve) Jobs is working at PEAK That's the first thought I had, at least... TjL -- TjL <luomat@peak.org> http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Links to all things NeXTStep/OpenStep! Info, pictures, Ftp sites, FAQs and more.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.newton.programmer,comp.sys.newton.misc From: sc@netcom.com Subject: FS: World wide dev conference ticket Message-ID: <scE9D0nn.A8x@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:59:46 GMT Sender: sc@netcom17.netcom.com Apple World wide Dev conference ticket for the week. $900. SC@netcom.com
From: Michal Bencur <bencur@elf.stuba.sk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can I use old versions of NS ? Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:50:52 +0200 Organization: Kmit Message-ID: <3364F18C.47715258@elf.stuba.sk> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970428061352.12888A-100000@kira> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got a possiblity to buy NextStep 2.? version. I want to ask if it is possible to use it now, as I know NS3.3 is usable, now you are migrating to 4.X. So is 2.X OK, or it's too old and a lot of apps will not work ?
From: werner@ip.cubenet.de (Dr. Werner Eberl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can I use old versions of NS ? Date: 29 Apr 1997 01:18:13 GMT Organization: CUBENet Munich Message-ID: <5k3i8l$tgj$1@salyko.cube.net> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970428061352.12888A-100000@kira> <3364F18C.47715258@elf.stuba.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michal Bencur <bencur@elf.stuba.sk> wrote: >I've got a possiblity to buy NextStep 2.? version. >I want to ask if it is possible to use it now, >as I know NS3.3 is usable, now you are migrating to 4.X. >So is 2.X OK, or it's too old and a lot of apps will not >work ? I think it is hard to enjoy 2.X when you ever used 3.3 Most of the newer apps require at least 3.0. 3.0 was a little bit unstable, so 3.1 would be minimum. Last night I upgraded my old machine from 3.2 to 3.3 and now enjoy to be able to start OmniWeb 2.5 and the nice Mail.app and so on. I'm happy that I did it. Werner
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From: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP Chat script for connecting to NT Date: 30 Apr 1997 02:57:19 GMT Organization: Pittsburgh OnLine, Inc. Message-ID: <5k6cef$of5$1@dropit.pgh.net> References: <5jkthk$19o@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> kyle@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kyle Hearfield) wrote: > I am trying to connect my Next to an NT server using PPP 2.2 I cannot seem > to get the chat script to work, or I think it might be a framing problem. > > Any suggestions? Yes. I beat my head against the wall for weeks on this before I got it working. First of all, I assume you are calling a RAS server. Secondly, RAS does not prompt or echo anything I have ever seen. Assuming you have everything set up right, which is best checked by trying to log on from another NT machine, once you are connected you just shove your login and password down the line and let PPP start to negotiate. BTW, I am dialing from a USR 33.6kbs modem into a Zoom 33.6kbs modem. I had a USR on the PC but it wasn't on MS's supported modem list so I replaced it. It turns out I probably didn't have to do that. Here is the dialer script I am using: PATH=$PATH:/misc/Local/ppp/bin export PATH pppd crtscts lock defaultroute\ connect "chat -v -f\ /Local/ppp/scripts/pppupNT"\ /dev/cufb 38400 debug\ -vj mru 1500\ ipcp-max-terminate 10 lcp-max-terminate 10\ name "rbp" remotename "venetia-nt"\ -chap escape 04 asyncmap 0 tail -f ppp2.2.log And here is my chat script: ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO CARRIER" ABORT "NO DIAL TONE" ABORT "ERROR" ABORT "NO ANSWER" ABORT "NO PROMPTTONE" "" AT&C1 OK AT&D2 OK ATS10=254 OK ATS25=50 OK AT&W OK AT&W1 OK ATDT9416883 CONNECT LOGIN "" PASSWORD "" ----- Bob Peirce Venetia, PA 412-941-6883 me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE] There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: kdb@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kurt D. Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I play a sound from stdin? Date: 30 Apr 1997 06:36:12 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <5k6p8s$a0k$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> The sndplay app that comes with NS requires a filename and I can't find a sound player that will simply read from standard input. Recording to standard output would be nice to do also, but is less important. Does anybody know of a way to trick sndplay or know of another app? Thanks... Kurt :-) ...................................................................... : Kurt D. Bollacker University of Texas at Austin : : kdb@pine.ece.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8566, Austin, TX 78713 : :....................................................................:
From: colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Optimal Object gone? Date: 30 Apr 1997 15:59:41 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Message-ID: <5k7q9d$car@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 1997 15:59:41 GMT I just tried calling both numbers for Optimal Object (toll free and regular) and received messages from the phone company indicating that the numbers are not operating. Does anyone know what is going on? I really need to order some software from them, or lose the funding today! -- Colin Allen http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/
From: Bill Kooiman <billk@apl.washington.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do I play a sound from stdin? Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:33:41 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <33677465.41C6@apl.washington.edu> References: <5k6p8s$a0k$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt D. Bollacker wrote: > > The sndplay app that comes with NS requires a filename and I can't find a sound > player that will simply read from standard input. Recording to standard > output would be nice to do also, but is less important. > > Does anybody know of a way to trick sndplay or know of another app? I modified playtest.c from the NextDeveloper/Examples a couple of years ago to do this. Its not really a polished program, but I'll send you a copy via NextMail in case you don't find anything else. --Bill Kooiman
From: kjt@cs.stir.ac.uk (Ken Turner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] NEXTSTEP/Intel and MIDI Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:39:37 GMT Organization: University of Stirling Message-ID: <970430173937.4714AAFCS.kjt@copper> References: <970421202556.388AAGhE.root@color> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII With help from various people I got MIDI working with an MPU-401 compatible sound card. (It was a fiddle to get IRQs and port addresses not to clash.) But on NS 3.3 at least, I can't get multi-track files played properly (they rapidly become unsynchronised). I strongly suspect the MIDI driver. Various people told me that MIDI would probably not work if the same sound card were under the control of the sound driver. Disabling the sound driver made no difference for me. Ken Turner <kjt@cs.stir.ac.uk>
From: michael@curie (Michael Verruto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: dread and dwrite problems Date: 30 Apr 1997 19:22:49 GMT Organization: HPI Capital, LLC Message-ID: <5k8669$2dk@corporate.hesta.com> I am having some flaky behavior on one of our systems running 3.3intel. When I try to dread or dwrite I get the following: # dread -l dread: Can't open defaults database # dwrite loginwindow ImageFile /LocalLibrary/Images/LoginScreens/nextlogin.Computerstack.4.0.tiff dwrite: Couldn't write into database # Plus it's the only terminal that won't show the hostname in the prompt line - which leads me to believe theirs something fishy... Any sugestions? -- Michael Styles Verruto - michael@hesta.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Hawaiian NeXT users to share some info ? Message-ID: <E9GpCs.1H8@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:46:03 GMT Hi, I am looking for some NeXT users living on Hawaii who are willing to share some information with me. I suspect that Apples WWDC will unviel some really cool details about Rhapsody. But since I will be staying on Hawaii during that time...and don't have any internet connection over there on my own...I would like to know if there are any NeXT users (or is there a user group ?) on these islands which would share their information with me...show me the new press releases and that like. Being the maintain of one of the Rhapsody related web sites (TheMerger) I am really interested if my pages are still containing valid information or if they are exorbitantly wrong. Thanx for any contacts. Aloha Tomi _________________________________________________________ Tomi Engel, tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (NeXTMail welcome) Apple & NeXT...check: http://asterix.geog.uni-heidelberg.de/TheMerger/
From: me@turbocube.oro.net (My Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need to find Printing Service Bureau for NeXT Date: 30 Apr 1997 22:23:58 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <5k8gpu$c36@li.oro.net> Looking for any printing service bureau that can print material made on a NeXT system. Prefer one that can receive pages by NeXTmail or FTP. Can send hard copy disks if need be. Let me know who does this work and where I can reach them. Thanks Tom
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