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From: ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf Baechle) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 1 Feb 1997 07:58:25 GMT Organization: Phoenix .d.i.g.i.t.a.l. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> In article <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com>, jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: |> In article <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com>, |> Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293 <powers@ml.com> wrote: |> >jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) writes: |> > |> > > Yah, but Intel released some versions of the '486 without FP capabilities. |> > > |> > > Best guess: during test the FP Coprocessors didn't work correctly, so |> > > they disabled 'em, packaged 'em any way and sold 'em for low end (cheap) |> > > systems. Still better than some Motorola chips where the software has no way to find out if the available FPU is a function one or just the wrecked leftover in the embedded variant. |> I believe that for a while, due to the high cost of fab, that HP was |> actually *repairing* chips. This would argue that it is not only |> possible to depackage and repackage, but possible to do it in a |> commercially feasible way. . . The cache of the MIPS R5000 contains additional semiconductors that can replace other, faulty ones. The cache is a big part of the die size and the process increases the yield rate without reducing the functionality - which is what you want for a middle class CPU like the R5k. Ralf -- A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features - manpage of amd(8).
From: benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr (Jean BENOIT) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 31 Jan 1997 16:07:44 GMT Organization: Universite Paris-Sud, France. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ct5cg$795@upsn6.u-psud.fr> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> John Stevens (jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com) wrote: : In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, : Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: : : The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the : color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called : the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). Wasn't that the Sinclair QL ? Jean ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean BENOIT e-mail : benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr Institut d'Astrophysique Spatiale tel : (+33) 01 69 85 87 03 Batiment 121, Universite Paris XI fax : (+33) 01 69 85 87 01 91405 ORSAY Cedex FRANCE www : http://www.medoc-ias.u-psud.fr/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Isaac <isaac@pobox.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT/NEXTSTEP T-shirt and mug? Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:10:52 -0500 Organization: Florida State University Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970130110310.21457A-100000@lab.housing.fsu.edu> References: <01bc06c2$a9cc6ca0$240246cb@athena> <5cbevm$hqm@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5cbevm$hqm@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> On 24 Jan 1997, Carlos Andre (pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br) wrote: > Take a look at my previous Hermann Marketing solicitation > > Date: 30 Dec 1996 09:51:17 -0500 > From: "SPO_2" <team2@hermann.com> > To: "Carlos Andre" <pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br> > > Please find below the quote you requested for the > Next merchandise. Please note minimum order > quantities on the t-shirts and sweatshirts is 72 > pieces, 1500 decals, 144 mugs, 50 desk folders, > and 50 tote bags. [snip] > ------------------------------------------------------------- > 01) THE CLASSIC NEXT LOGO T-SHIRT ITEM # 5180 $4.95 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > XXL UPCHARGE.............. $1.70 Wow! Most of the other items have screen charges, etc. that really drive up the price, but 72 NeXT shirts (the minimum order) comes to $356.40 (plus shipping, I would assume). I don't think it should be too hard to find 72 people who would pay $10 (inclusive of shipping costs) for a NeXT T-shirt. Maybe it's time to pull together a group order... -Isaac
From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can NS2.1 run ppp or slip. Please help me! Date: 31 Jan 1997 14:31:22 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5csvnq$21j@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Dear Black Netters, I am sorry to ask again. Is it possible to run PPP and or slip on NS 2.1. If so please give me a few details. I cannot do it in a stable manner. Thank you Ioannis ikouts@isosun.ariadne-t.gr
From: GWILLEM@alpha.ntu.ac.sg (Van Schaik Willem Anthon Johan ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP Server Date: 1 Feb 1997 15:00:49 GMT Organization: Nanyang Technological University Message-ID: <5cvlr1$oes@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> References: <01bc0ed3$ef067f40$6fc081c2@Darren.i-way.co.uk> <E4u7IB.D46@cam-ani.co.uk> Ian Stephenson (ians@cam-ani.co.uk) wrote: : In article <01bc0ed3$ef067f40$6fc081c2@Darren.i-way.co.uk> "dgrant" : <darren@oxford.i-way.co.uk> writes: : > I have spent hours looking at FAQ's but don't seem to be able to find : > aything about using a NextStep/OpenStep on intel or Black hardware as a : PPP : > server to allow dial in users. All the informaton seams to be for PPP : > Clients. Is anyone in here using a setup like this? : Follow the instructions for installing PPP, BPF etc as normal. : When it gets to the bit about chat scripts, just quit. : turn on logins on the tty (in etc/ttys), and get the user to log in as : usual. They then run pppd (at the NeXT end)and it just works. You could : set up pppd instead of login if necessary. I statically allocateed the IP : address of the remove host, and added it to /etc/hosts. No extra parameters needed? Just "pppd &" will do? Willem
From: matthewv@macconnect.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 01:32:28 -0900 Organization: None Distribution: inet Message-ID: <matthewv-0102970132280001@accs-as32-dp12.snfc.grid.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de> In article <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de>, ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf Baechle) wrote: > Still better than some Motorola chips where the software has no way > to find out if the available FPU is a function one or just the > wrecked leftover in the embedded variant. > Huh? > Ralf > > -- > A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage > of all the features - manpage of amd(8). -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv@macconnect.com Classical Music and Macintosh computers? Yeah, you could say I'm in the minority...
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From: nxh665@leonard.anu.edu.au (Nathan Hand) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 31 Jan 1997 17:57:33 GMT Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5ctbqd$pdg@clarion.carno.net.au> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32CDD2A9.7CB@rogerswave.ca> <32CF2646.473F@serv.net> <32D17A1F.65D8@ipoline.com> <01bbfc63$8827eb60$844904cb@crw033.crc.cra.com.au> <5av1nl$6hr@news.proaxis.com> <32d90cbd.6753174@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001201971750140001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e01423.3489833@news.sover.net> <rbarris-ya023280001701971957130001@news.quicksilver.com> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> Christopher C. Wood (christw@lexis-nexis.com) wrote: : Compilers hide that from users -- if you're writing code in a compiled : language, you can't tell, and don't care, if you're on a 68000 : processor or a RISC processor. This helped Sun transition from 68K to : SPARC. Whaddyamean helped? The whole point of C being invented was to help make UNIX easy to port. It's a damn design feature! : So you agree that the original IBM PC was an 8-bit machine? And some : 80386-based machines were 16-bit? Who cares? 386's cost $20 including the monitor, 20MB hard disk and keyboard, and that isn't worth buying. They're *history*. -- The network is the computer.
From: news@cmc.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.psion.marketplace,comp.sys.psion.misc,cornell.marketplace,dc.forsale,dc.forsale.computers,dc.forsale.misc,de.markt.misc,de.rec.games.computer,desy.zeus.compute,dfw.forsale,dfw.general,dk.general,donbass.commerce,edm.forsale,eug.forsale,eunet.misc,fido.ger.hardware,fido.ger.musik,fido.wa_4sale,fido7.game,fj.announce,fj.fleamarket.misc,fj.forsale,fj.forsale.comp,fj.forsale.books,fj.net.misc,fl.general,fl.forsale Subject: cmsg cancel <32F3B9C6.3826@tidepool.com> Date: 2 Feb 1997 03:10:48 GMT Control: cancel <32F3B9C6.3826@tidepool.com> Message-ID: <cancel.32F3B9C6.3826@tidepool.com> Sender: "P.B.& A.C." <phil@tidepool.com> Spam cancelled by news@cmc.net
From: Jacob Nielsen <jacob@dannug.dk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP Server Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 20:18:24 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <970201211824.960AAE+E.jacob@jnext> References: <01bc0ed3$ef067f40$6fc081c2@Darren.i-way.co.uk> <E4u7IB.D46@cam-ani.co.uk> <5cvlr1$oes@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>>> "Willem" == GWILLEM@alpha.ntu.ac.sg (Van Schaik Willem Anthon Johan ) writes: >>>>> "Ian" == Ian Stephenson (ians@cam-ani.co.uk) writes: [How do you set up a PPP server on NS?] Ian> Follow the instructions for installing PPP, BPF etc as normal. Ian> When it gets to the bit about chat scripts, just quit. turn on Ian> logins on the tty (in etc/ttys), and get the user to log in as Ian> usual. They then run pppd (at the NeXT end)and it just works. You Ian> could set up pppd instead of login if necessary. I statically Ian> allocateed the IP address of the remove host, and added it to Ian> /etc/hosts. Willem> No extra parameters needed? Just "pppd &" will do? Most likely. I have a special PPP login ('.../pppd' is the login shell) with an appropiate .ppprc file where I specify (among other things) 'passive' -- should give a connection faster. the IP addresses, that are to be used. 'proxyarp' PS: There's no need to muck with /etc/ttys if you have NXFax (it handles the incoming datacalls for you) It does the job for me. Jacob -- Jacob Nielsen jacob@dannug.dk http://www.dannug.dk/~jacob/
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: reading disks in DOS Date: 1 Feb 1997 21:53:08 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5d1a44$2hv@mpaque.mpaque> References: <5cmmvd$u5f@ridge.spiritone.com> In article <5cmmvd$u5f@ridge.spiritone.com> flood@cris.com (rob thompson) writes: > At our workplace we have hardware that runs using Nextstep. We copied > some data to floppy and were unable to read them. I was wondering what > file system (assuming not FAT) that Nextstep uses. And If it is a unix > file system if there is a driver or utility to read this disks. By default, NeXTSTEP will format floppies with a Unix file system. I'm not aware of any DOS or MacIntosh utility that can read NeXT's UFS format. In general, your best bet is to use DOS or Mac formatted disks. The NeXTSTEP OS can read and write these disks. Just drag the files onto the destination floppies. Note that for DOS floppies, the names have to be in that 8.3 format, all lower case. Mac file names are limited to 32 characters. -- I don't speak for my employer, whoevere it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK
From: quinonez@ucla.edu (G. Quinonez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with PPPmonitor and scripts Date: 2 Feb 1997 08:05:58 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5d1ht6$hpl@uruguay.earthlink.net> Hello, I wanted to use PPPMonitor1.16 to hook up with my ISP earthlink and establish my connection. I am currently using kermit and log in manually by typing my password and login. I then manually type "do pppd" to finish the connection session. Im trying to use PPPMonitor but dont know what to put in the pppd or pppdown preferences. I cant seem to find the examples the author says are available. If someone has these scripts pppd and pppdown... /usr/local/bin/pppup /usr/local/bin/pppdown ...that work, please send me a copy to quinonez@ucla.edu i am running NSFIP 3.3 and USR 33.3 sportster. Thank you very much. -- _____________________________________________ G. Quinonez, MD quinonez@ucla.edu quinonez@earthlink.net NeXTStep 3.3/Windoze NT 4.0 NeXTMail/SunMail Welcome http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/
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From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Again for NS2.1 PPP Date: 2 Feb 1997 15:29:10 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5d2bs6$qtk@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Hello agina. One can compile ppp.0.3 or Alby (version 0.3). But I wonder why the kernel says cannot send multicast packet to 255.ff.ff.ff or even better why it should destroy my login if something goes wrong when it fails to run ( runit using a serial cable to a mainframe and on the other side i run a ppp slirp program). The cable is not a modem cable but a driect connection. Also i had not fixed the dns but I am not sure that this was the kernrl's problem. ANy help please ? Ioannis ikouts@isosun.ariadne-t.gr P.S Thanks Steve
From: pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br (Carlos Andre "Pubah") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Black_Hardware_Cellebration: Painting White Hardware ------> Is It Possible? Date: 2 Feb 1997 17:35:35 GMT Organization: The Pubah Foundation Message-ID: <5d2j97$nq7@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII I have a dream. I wanna paint my White Hardware with NeXT classical black hardware color. Quesntions: 1. Is It Possible? 2. If I Can... 2.1. How To with my tower case? 2.2 How to with my keybord? 2.3 How to with my monitor? I would apreciate comments. thanks a lot ---------------------------------------------------------------------- carlos andre "pubah" - the pubah foundation - rio de janeiro, brazil pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br - rio 2004, candidate city ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: BABAK@TI.COM (Babak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.psion.marketplace,comp.sys.psion.misc,cornell.marketplace,dc.forsale,dc.forsale.computers,dc.forsale.misc,de.markt.misc,de.rec.games.computer,desy.zeus.compute,dfw.forsale,dfw.general,dk.general,donbass.commerce Subject: Re: GREAT STUFF AT WHOLESALE PRICES! Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 12:13:12 -0600 Organization: TI Message-ID: <BABAK-0202971213120001@pbbmac.csc.ti.com> References: <32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com> In article <32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com>, "P.B.& A.C." <phil@tidepool.com> wrote: > -- > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > | | > * * > | Looking for some great CD's, | > * videos, books, computer software and more * > | at wholesale prices? Seeing is believing! | > * Check us out! * > | | > * * > | http://www.tidepool.com/becker | > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* you call these a WHOLE SALE price?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Black_Hardware_Cellebration: Painting White Hardware ------> Is It Possible? Date: 2 Feb 97 15:03:32 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AF1A5D48-9B300@207.147.52.185> References: <5d2j97$nq7@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.hardware, nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.marketplace On Sun, Feb 2, 1997 12:35 PM, Carlos Andre "Pubah" <mailto:pubah@rio.nutecnet.com.br> wrote: > I have a dream. > > I wanna paint my White Hardware with NeXT classical > black hardware color. > > Quesntions: > > 1. Is It Possible? > > 2. If I Can... > > 2.1. How To with my tower case? > 2.2 How to with my keybord? > 2.3 How to with my monitor? > > I would apreciate comments. > > thanks a lot Check out the NeXT faq. I think under topic #9 there is a description of the proper paint to use. Mitch --------------------------------------------------------- Cyberdog ---A Product of Apple Computer, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------
From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.psion.marketplace,comp.sys.psion.misc,cornell.marketplace,dc.forsale,dc.forsale.computers,dc.forsale.misc,de.markt.misc,de.rec.games.computer,desy.zeus.compute,dfw.forsale,dfw.general,dk.general,donbass.commerce Subject: cmsg cancel <32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com> Date: 2 Feb 1997 21:11:02 GMT Control: cancel <32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com> Message-ID: <cancel.32F3B9AB.502C@tidepool.com> Sender: "P.B.& A.C." <phil@tidepool.com> Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19970202.84. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19970202.84.html for complete report. Original Subject: GREAT STUFF AT WHOLESALE PRICES!
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From: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is OpenStep capable of supporting games? Date: 2 Feb 1997 18:47:36 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5d2ng8$klv$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> <5c2lof$357@www.langen.bull.de> In comp.sys.next.misc Volker Herminghaus <vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de> wrote: : In <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> Nick Sharpe wrote: : > I was just wondering if OpenStep was designed to support games? Like, : > can there be Quake for OpenStep? [...] : There is the possibility to poke a hole in the windowserver and access the : framebuffer directly. It's called "Interceptor" and the API is not publicly : disclosed, although some companies do seem to have the API. NeXTIME uses : Interceptor. NeXTIME does _not_ use Interceptor. -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: erikr@cs.Stanford.EDU (Erik Rauch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NetInfo problem - "Can't contact NetInfo server for local domain" Date: 3 Feb 1997 01:33:00 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <5d3f8c$h5i@Radon.Stanford.EDU> Hello, I have a mono NeXTstation '040 with 8 mb of RAM, and I've had a mysterious NetInfo problem since I upgraded from 3.0 to 3.3 that I was wondering if anyone else had run into. When I try to open NetInfoManager, it says "Can't contact NetInfo server for local domain." At boot time, after everything else has been loaded and it's about to display the login window, it sits there for about 5 minutes doing nothing before showing the login window. nibindd and netinfod are both running: > ps -waux | egrep 'nibindd|netinfo' USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND root 94 0.0 1.3 1.59M 104K ? SW 0:00 /usr/etc/nibindd root 95 0.0 1.5 2.81M 120K ? SW 0:18 /usr/etc/netinfod local and the netinfo utilities (niutil, nidump) work. When I upgraded to 3.3, I copied my old 3.0 netinfo database. I thought this might be a problem, but I tried replacing it with a .nidb from another 3.3 machine and the problem persisted. The machine is on a non-NetInfo ethernet network but it boots locally. Any advice would be appreciated. -Erik Rauch -- .-----------------------------------------------------------------------. |Erik Rauch * URL: http://xenon.stanford.edu/~erikr * rauch@stanford.edu|
From: ray@anderson.vt.com (Ray Johnston) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Shareware... any software? Date: 3 Feb 1997 03:03:31 GMT Organization: Anderson Construction Message-ID: <ray-0202971939220001@anderson.vt.com> Do any of ya'll know of an archive of software for the NeXT ? I am a new NeXTSTATION owner and would like to put it to some use, perhaps as a web server. I use Macs most of the time, but would like to find some software for the NeXT as well. Also, if I use the NeXT as a server, what can I do about the monitor? I can't seem to dim it all the way off. Are there any screen savers for it? NeXTSTATION 25mhz, 8/105 Please e-mail me with any answers, thanks! Ray Johnston ray@anderson.vt.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: diego@paradise.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp Subject: Grammar Check Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 04:38:28 GMT Dnas-Posting-Host: psyche.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp Organization: Institute of Information Sciences & Electronics, University of Tsukuba, Japan Sender: news@is.tsukuba.ac.jp (News Manager) Message-ID: <1997Jan31.043828.28530@is.tsukuba.ac.jp> I'm a not english native speaking person that has to write a paper in english. I'm wondering if there is any english grammar check application available that I can get from the Net? Thanks. -- *************************************************************** Molinari Diego A. E-mail:diego@paradise.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp Master Program in Science and Engineering Tsukuba University, Japan Te: +81-298-53-5363 ***************************************************************
From: spagiola@worldbank.org (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Formatting JAZ-Disks Message-ID: <32EA5300.63C4@worldbank.org> Date: 25 Jan 97 18:37:52 GMT References: <5c7mn1$r5j@hagen.amg.de> Organization: World Bank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Mocker wrote: > does anyone know, how to format a JAZ Disc (IOMEGA) under NEXTSTEP 3.3 ?? There's a NeXTAnswer on this. Go to NeXTAnswers and search for Jaz. -- Stefano Pagiola 850 N Randolph Str No.817, Arlington VA 22203, USA All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
From: kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is OpenStep capable of supporting games? Date: 3 Feb 1997 08:26:19 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5d47fb$rbs$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> <5c2lof$357@www.langen.bull.de> <5d2ng8$klv$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> In comp.sys.next.misc Axel Habermann <kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de> wrote: : In comp.sys.next.misc Volker Herminghaus <vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de> wrote: : : In <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> Nick Sharpe wrote: : : > I was just wondering if OpenStep was designed to support games? Like, : : > can there be Quake for OpenStep? : [...] [...] : NeXTIME does _not_ use Interceptor. Well, this is incorrect. Sorry for the misinformation: belly kiwi 4 (~): otool -L /NextLibrary/NEXTIME/NTServer /NextLibrary/NEXTIME/NTServer: /usr/shlib/libInterceptor_s.A.shlib (minor version 1) /usr/shlib/libNeXT_s.C.shlib (minor version 57) /usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib (minor version 55) (On my first investigation I only looked in NEXTIME.app/NEXTIME which indeed does not use Interceptor, but its server does) -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: grotskos@compulink.gr (Gabriel Rotskos) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 09:36:44 GMT Organization: CompuLink Network S.A. Message-ID: <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> On 28 Jan 1997 11:18:39 -0700, jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John Stevens) wrote: >The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the >color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called >the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). No, the Spectrum (that was the name) used the Z80. The 68008 was used in the Sinclair QL (for Quantum Leap). Gabriel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Is OpenStep capable of supporting games? Message-ID: <E50tLs.B5@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: news@shinto.nbg.sub.org Organization: STEPeople's home (A NUGI member) References: <32e44462.6837969@news.mindspring.com> <5c2lof$357@www.langen.bull.de> <5d2ng8$klv$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:41:51 GMT kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) wrote: > In comp.sys.next.misc Volker Herminghaus <vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de> wrote: > : There is the possibility to poke a hole in the windowserver and access the > : framebuffer directly. It's called "Interceptor" and the API is not publicly > : disclosed, although some companies do seem to have the API. NeXTIME uses > : Interceptor. > > NeXTIME does _not_ use Interceptor. > Sorry Axel...but where did you get this from ? Clearly Mike stated (even here on Usenet) that Interceptor was developed for NeXTIME. If your hardware is not mapable (like the NeXTdimension) NeXTIME will drop back to the regular DPS/WindowServer bitmap operations. But if Interceptor is available, as far as I understand it, the componentes of NeXTIME will ensure that your NTSamelBuffers will be converted the the right bit-layout and the final NTDisplayContext will use Interceptor to bang the data into the screen. Aloha Tomi
From: I donno <chu@ipoline.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 15:27:11 -0500 Organization: InterPacific Online Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32F4F89F.1B52@ipoline.com> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de> <matthewv-0102970132280001@accs-as32-dp12.snfc.grid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Vaughan wrote: > > In article <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de>, ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf > Baechle) wrote: > > > Still better than some Motorola chips where the software has no way > > to find out if the available FPU is a function one or just the > > wrecked leftover in the embedded variant. > > > Huh? > > > Ralf > > > > -- Actually I found MS Office to be very fast and effecient. I used both OFFICE 95/97 and like them very much. WordPerfect and Lotus are good, MS Office is EXCEPTIONAL EXCELLENT.
From: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: cmsg cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R1701970009460001@news.mindspring.com> Control: cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R1701970009460001@news.mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 08:22:55 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R0302970822550001@news.mindspring.com> cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R1701970009460001@news.mindspring.com>
From: jhsterne@mindspring.com.nospam (Jason S.) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: cmsg cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> Control: cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 08:23:09 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: inet Message-ID: <jhsterne-ya02408000R0302970823090001@news.mindspring.com> cancel <jhsterne-ya02408000R2101972141330001@news.mindspring.com>
From: ikouts@adonis.clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Another Thought on NS/apple Date: 3 Feb 1997 16:34:39 GMT Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Message-ID: <5d542v$2cq@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr> Hello. I do not understand why people bother so much for the Unix aspect of NS. I think this is minor when one sees this nice appkit being brought to other systems. Every time i turn on my old black hardware i feel i am at home. Not to mention when I develop something. On any other system I experience this fear that something will not work or collapse. Why nother for the login hook when by the time you learn a few basics you are in environment where you can create ? Humble thoughts Johny The Great ikouts@isosun.ariadne-t.gr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: benson@math01.sfasu.edu (Benson) Subject: Slip or PPP Message-ID: <237cd$a290.186@news.sfasu.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 16:41:00 GMT I am looking for a PPP or Slip file to install in my dir. to allow me to dial up my host and run either a PPP or Slip, through Trumpet Winsock from my home computer. Similar to TIA or SLiRP. I can not use any programs the need to be compiled or have to be installed from root. I am just a user on the system and do not have root access. And the admin disabled the compilers. Thank you. -- Later, Steven.
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: OpenStep for Windows 95 ? Date: 03 Feb 1997 16:48:43 GMT Message-ID: <2629369822.16501213@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA Hi, Does any body have heard about plan in which NeXT will suport OpenStep for Windows NT ? We used to develop cross-platform program in the client/serveur area. We are looking for a long time for a cross-platform environment (MacOS/Win16/Win32). Finally, we decided to develop our own framework. We are very interested by the OpenStep product but we need the win 95 market. The price of the runtime is also a important issue. Does any body have heard about the future price policy of OpenStep ? Thanks in advance, Roger FLATTIN CORNUT Informatique rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: Rapsody will use Mach Date: 03 Feb 1997 16:56:09 GMT Message-ID: <1946623959.16501244@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA That's what is announce in the home page of the apple devworld web server (http://www.devworld.com/). The detail of the core OS will be publish within a month. Roger FLATTIN CORNUT Informatique rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: Bill Mitchell <bill.mitchell@mercyic.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: X Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 11:29:21 -0600 Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Message-ID: <32F62071.575A@mercyic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Having just purchased a black cube, I was wondering what X-server software is out there. Thanks in advance. Bill Mitchell
From: matthewv@macconnect.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 23:04:11 -0900 Organization: None Distribution: inet Message-ID: <matthewv-0202972304110001@accs-as32-dp06.snfc.grid.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <u02wwsxbea9.fsf@ml.com> <5ctbqd$faj@bamboo.verinet.com> <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de> <matthewv-0102970132280001@accs-as32-dp12.snfc.grid.net> <32F4F89F.1B52@ipoline.com> In article <32F4F89F.1B52@ipoline.com>, I donno <chu@ipoline.com> wrote: > Matthew Vaughan wrote: > > > > In article <5cut31$2v8$1@alles.intern.julia.de>, ralf@Julia.DE (Ralf > > Baechle) wrote: > > > > > Still better than some Motorola chips where the software has no way > > > to find out if the available FPU is a function one or just the > > > wrecked leftover in the embedded variant. > > > > > Huh? > > > > > Ralf > > > > > > -- > Actually I found MS Office to be very fast and effecient. I used both > OFFICE 95/97 and like them very much. WordPerfect and Lotus are good, > MS Office is EXCEPTIONAL EXCELLENT. I was in no way questioning how well software runs on Intel machines. I was questioning Ralf's strange statement regarding the FPUs on "Motorola" chips. (I assume he means the 68040?) If so, the chip in no way hides whether or not it has a FPU. The 68040 has one, the 68LC040 does not. (The 68040 was used in high-end Quadra models, the 68LC040 was used in low-cost LC and Performa models, and PowerBooks. This was very similar to the use of 80486 vs. 486SX in the PC world.) I have no idea what he mans by "wrecked leftover in the embedded variant." If he's speaking of an imbedded variety of 68000-series chip used in automobiles, etc., then it has no bearing on personal computers. Such microcontrollers generally have different capabilities than their CPU relatives, capabilities which are appropriate to the tasks they will be used for, and I've never heard Ford or GM complaining. If he is speaking of Macintosh programs, then they can test for the presence of a FPU, and make use of it accordingly. (Apple reccommends that programmers use Apple's somewhat slower math routines, for the sake of compatibility. In this case, the program would not know, or need to know, whether or not a FPU is present.) -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv@macconnect.com Classical Music and Macintosh computers? Yeah, you could say I'm in the minority...
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Silly question about NeXT black printer Date: 3 Feb 1997 16:13:35 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Message-ID: <5d52rf$5kq@netty.york.ac.uk> Does anoybody know a command line option to LPR to turn-off the page reordering on the printer ? This would help a lot in getting it to deal with the broken PostScript produced by some M$ apps. I;m sure such an option exists, I just can't find it... -bat.
From: David Pascua <pascua+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: nextppp mailing list & PPP question Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:44:22 -0500 Organization: Alumni account, GSIA Alumni Network, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <YmxX86m00YWnA3f3hQ@andrew.cmu.edu> Hello all, Is it just me, or is the nextppp mailing list (nextppp@listproc.thoughtport.com) down? While the list isn't usually chatty, I haven't gotten anything for the last few weeks. I posted a question, but I never saw my question nor any answers... Anyway, while I have your attention, here's the question I posted to the mailing list. Hopefully, someone here can help me out... Excerpts from out: 14-Jan-97 newbie -- configuring PPP c.. by => nextppp@chinx1.though >I'm trying to setup a PPP connection from home to work. For security >reasons, my company has established the dial-in procedure where I call >my company, enter a PIN on the phone's keypad, then hangup. The modem >at my company would then call me back and my modem would (should) >answer, and then the PPP connection would be set up. > >I've read the NeXTPPP documentation and FAQ, as well as the general PPP >faq and I couldn't find anything about dealing with dial-back as >described above. And before diving into the scripts, I thought that >perhaps someone else had already configured NeXTPPP to work with >dial-back. Can anyone offer any help? > >BTW, this my first time working with PPP. However, at my previous >company, I had successfully setup a SLIP client on my NeXT (but no >dial-back), so I'm not totally clueless about IP addresssing... Any help would be greatly appreciated! -Dave
From: SoundChaser <soundchaser@velodrome.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for Windows 95 ? Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 12:21:03 -0800 Organization: hmmm Message-ID: <32F648AF.6078@velodrome.com> References: <2629369822.16501213@cornut.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: rflattin@cornut.fr Roger Flattin wrote: > > Hi, > > Does any body have heard about plan in which NeXT will suport OpenStep for > Windows NT ? > > We used to develop cross-platform program in the client/serveur area. We are > looking for a long time for a cross-platform environment (MacOS/Win16/Win32). > Finally, we decided to develop our own framework. > > We are very interested by the OpenStep product but we need the win 95 market. > > The price of the runtime is also a important issue. Does any body have heard > about the future price policy of OpenStep ? > > Thanks in advance, > > Roger FLATTIN > CORNUT Informatique > rflattin@cornut.fr > > ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- > --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- > CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS > BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ > France email: info@cornut.fr OpenStep 4.1 currently supports developing and deploying on NT; The 4.2 release just going into Beta, supports deploying on Win95; So develop in NT or Mach, deploy on NT,Mach or Win 95; There you go.
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc Date: 3 Feb 1997 18:51:12 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> gbh@erols.com wrote: >What are the differences between Sun's OpenStep/Solaris and >NeXT's OPENSTEP/Mach/Sparc? Please post your comments about >your experiences with using them. OPENSTEP for Mach (pronounced "NEXTSTEP", at least by me) is just like what you'd see on a black NeXT or on any other machine running OPENSTEP for Mach. OPENSTEP for Solaris is really Solaris underneath. The Mach UNIX is sort of a POSIXified BSD with Netinfo. In other words, it's more like SunOS than Solaris. I run NEXTSTEP 3.3 on a SPARC here, and it's just like 3.3 on my cube at home (but faster and in color). We're not a Solaris shop, so I haven't tried OPENSTEP for Solaris, but you can download a demo from Sun's web pages if you've got a Solaris machine around. I'd love to try the two side by side, but I haven't a spare machine. I'm not up to OPENSTEP (that's 4.x) yet, but I imagine the "for Mach" version is similar to all the NEXTSTEPs that came before. I don't know if they're still binary compatible, and the "for Solaris" and "for NT" versions almost certainly aren't. I've been on the NEXTSTEP bandwagon basically from the start, and 3.3 on a SPARC is my best experience yet. When I get a faster PC, I plan to try it there too, but it wasn't very good on my little '486/40 (a complete dog next to my cube). I imagine a Pentium with a lot of memory would be fine (and cheaper than a Sun). I wouldn't buy a Sun to run OPENSTEP (get a big fat PC), but if I had a Sun on my desk, I wouldn't run anything else on it. If that Sun were running Solaris, I'd try the demo version. And since I'm typing this on a SPARC running 3.3, I've put my (own, not the department's) money where my mouth is. :-) ab
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: 3 Feb 1997 18:55:28 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5d5cb0$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <32E8D17E.5FB6@kuwait.net> <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com>?<32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com>?<59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth>?<59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>?<5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org>?<32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net>?<32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com>?<5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de>?<5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>?<32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net>?<5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com>?<jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net>?<MPG.d513adeef919554989680@news.xmission.com>?96 <5cav6j$mi5@main.ipf.de> <AF13DF69966810BEAC@terkans.demon.nl> I think the key word here is "OPEN", because that's the main thing Apple's buying in to. Since they're using Mach, "OPENSTEP for Mac", while a good pun is not accurate. I like just plan "OPENSTEP for Mach" or "OPEN Mac". We could dance through all the capitalization patterns again, too. :-) ab
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From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Converting next files? Date: 4 Feb 1997 06:49:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970204064901.BAA21405@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <32F6A14C.43D7@ix.netcom.com> .PS Postscript printer files can be converted into Acrobat .PDF by Acrobat Distiller--I believe this is now included with Acrobat 3.0 (the commercial product, the one which makes .PDFs, not the freely-distributed reader). I believe FrameMaker files are binary compatible across platforms... Another option, if you're willing to move to it, would be to get FreeHand, and an XTra for it called PS Editlink, which will interpret .PS and EPS files into native Freehand files. Hope this helps! William William Adams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: Franc Garcia <fgarcia2@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Converting next files? Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 21:39:08 -0500 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <32F6A14C.43D7@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an old next cube. During the time that I used it I amassed a large number of important Framemaker files. I also have many files in PS format. Does anyone know if it's possible to convert these frame files to framemaker for windows? HOw about converting the ps to acrobat or some other windows fomrat without scrambling them up? Thanks, Franc
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: 2 Feb 1997 20:52:20 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5d2uq4$mk2@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> "D. D. Brierton" <ddb@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote: > There's something I'm curious about: if Rhapsody is going to be > some implementation of OPENSTEP, does that mean that traditional > Mac apps, once re-written for Rhapsody, are also likely to appear > for NeXTSTEP (i.e. for OPENSTEP for Mach)? > > If that happened, I can imagine that a lot of people are going > to find NeXTSTEP a more attractive prospect than Rhapsody. > > Any thoughts? Rhapsody is going to include a lot of Mac technologies (the Quicktime Media Layer, OpenDoc, etc). Chances are that NeXTSTEP will not. So, there are some Mac apps which probably won't make it to NeXTSTEP, even if they are running on Rhapsody. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Date: 2 Feb 1997 20:56:52 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5d2v2k$mk2@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> <5cqv9c$4rf$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) wrote: > Ofcourse, if they did, and Apple keeps the promise of continuing > to support NS on Intel and Sparc, Apple may be sort of shooting > their own foot a little. Why would I, as a Nextstep user, switch > to Rhapsody if a) Nextstep continues to be supported, b) Rhapsody > uses a Mac UI instead of a Nextstep UI, c) I can get all of the > same apps for Nextstep? How is this a case of Apple shooting it's own foot? If you buy new versions of NeXTSTEP, that money will go to Apple. They will still have you as a customer. Note on b) Rhapsody will also probably have various Macintosh technologies that they may not take the time to port to NeXTSTEP. As such, your point c) is very likely to not happen. If they take everything that they port to Rhapsody and port it to NeXTSTEP too, then NeXTSTEP will be Rhapsody. > The problem for Apple is there's only a couple ways to prevent > this, and only one of them is "good". I see no reason for Apple to what to prevent any of this. Let's not get our conspiracy theories all fired up just yet. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Rich Lafferty <lafferty@cs.mcgill.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rapsody will use Mach Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 05:44:41 -0500 Organization: McGill University Computing Centre Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970204054308.6506B-100000@lisa.cs.mcgill.ca> References: <1946623959.16501244@cornut.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1946623959.16501244@cornut.fr> On 3 Feb 1997, Roger Flattin wrote: > That's what is announce in the home page of the apple devworld web server > (http://www.devworld.com/). > > The detail of the core OS will be publish within a month. > > Roger FLATTIN > CORNUT Informatique > rflattin@cornut.fr YM "http://devworld.apple.com/". Also, fyi: http://macos.apple.com/ has some interesting stuff here and there. I've been gorging on hopes of the next NeXT for quite a while tonight. Now, if only I could *afford* any of this. *sigh*. -Rich
From: joshua@precipice-mp.com (Joshua Whalen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to name Rhapsody when it's out (was Re: Games on NeXTstep (Was Re: Macintosh, Steve Jobs, and Next Step are all back!)) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 07:02:00 -0500 Organization: Precipice Multimedia Productions Message-ID: <joshua-0402970702000001@dial03.bway.net> References: <32E8D17E.5FB6@kuwait.net> <32D1967A.59E2@aw.sgi.com>?<32BA667C.403A@sfbayrun.com>?<59f2t1$ohl@youth.yth>?<59oq37$q7l@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>?<5a2g5h$hu7@gaea.titan.org>?<32c5d7fe.257162@pbinews.pacbell.net>?<32D0A342.3068@neosoft.com>?<5b5jkv$rad@fuchur.rmi.de>?<5bp6a5$fcs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>?<32E4ABDB.24DD@mail.icon.net>?<5c2ule$bsg$1@majipoor.cygnus.com>?<jchan-ya023580002201971536530001@news.apk.net>?<MPG.d513adeef919554989680@news.xmission.com>?96 <5cav6j$mi5@main.ipf.de> <AF13DF69966810BEAC@terkans.demon.nl> <5d5cb0$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> I was thinking, that if the first MacStep box's used Exponential processors, then a good codename for them would be something like "Godzilla". That way, when Byte does the inevitable Mac/Wintel comparison, the article could be titled "Microsoft vs. Godzilla", which would be appropriatte. Joshua In article <5d5cb0$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) wrote: > I think the key word here is "OPEN", because that's the main > thing Apple's buying in to. Since they're using Mach, > "OPENSTEP for Mac", while a good pun is not accurate. > > I like just plan "OPENSTEP for Mach" or "OPEN Mac". We > could dance through all the capitalization patterns again, > too. :-) > > ab
From: perkins@netmass.com (Stephen J. Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nextppp mailing list & PPP question Date: 4 Feb 1997 14:13:30 GMT Organization: Netmass Communications Message-ID: <5d7g6a$dsp$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> References: <YmxX86m00YWnA3f3hQ@andrew.cmu.edu> > > Is it just me, or is the nextppp mailing list > (nextppp@listproc.thoughtport.com) down? While the list isn't usually > chatty, I haven't gotten anything for the last few weeks. I posted a > question, but I never saw my question nor any answers... Ahhh... you are quite correct. The listprocessor died. It has been restarted. Thanks for the heads up. > Anyway, while I have your attention, here's the question I posted to the > mailing list. Hopefully, someone here can help me out... > > Excerpts from out: 14-Jan-97 newbie -- configuring PPP c.. by => > nextppp@chinx1.though > >I'm trying to setup a PPP connection from home to work. For security > >reasons, my company has established the dial-in procedure where I call > >my company, enter a PIN on the phone's keypad, then hangup. The modem > >at my company would then call me back and my modem would (should) > >answer, and then the PPP connection would be set up. > > > >I've read the NeXTPPP documentation and FAQ, as well as the general PPP > >faq and I couldn't find anything about dealing with dial-back as > >described above. And before diving into the scripts, I thought that > >perhaps someone else had already configured NeXTPPP to work with > >dial-back. Can anyone offer any help? > > > >BTW, this my first time working with PPP. However, at my previous > >company, I had successfully setup a SLIP client on my NeXT (but no > >dial-back), so I'm not totally clueless about IP addresssing... I havn't done callback myself. But here is one way it may work. Your pppup script will not call pppd. Instead, it will just be a chat script that dials the modem and negotiates the callback Once done, the pppup script will exit. When the pppup script exits, I assume you will hang up your modem and start to wait for a callback. Set up your machine to run pppd on the serial port instead of getty. Make sure you use the 'silent' option to pppd. This involves modifying /etc/ttys. Note that this is a "shot from the hip". Others may have a better way to do it. I believe the mailing list is back up and your message should be out. Hopefully you'll hear back soon. - Steve --- Stephen J. Perkins <perkins@netmass.com> NetMass Communications NeXT OS3.3 with PPP-2.3 : http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/
From: cortesr@alleg.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WordPerfect Lock Date: 5 Feb 1997 06:48:57 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Message-ID: <5d9agp$5lk@speering.alleg.edu> Hello: Well, I was looking through my account and I found this WordPerfect file. The problem is that it is locked. I don't even remember what was in the file that I had to lock it! I read the Info->Help about locking files and it says that once you lock a file, the only way to view the file is with the password. Is this true? Has anyone figured a way to view a file without the password? Thanks, Ricardo -- Ricardo Cortes Allegheny College cortesr@alleg.edu (NeXTMail OK) http://ace.alleg.edu/~cortes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: allan@ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) Subject: Re: Shareware... any software? Message-ID: <E532p2.3I5@gateway.ali.bc.ca> Sender: nobody@gateway.ali.bc.ca Cc: ray@anderson.vt.com Organization: ALI Technologies Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:53:25 GMT References: <ray-0202971939220001@anderson.vt.com> In comp.sys.next.misc Ray Johnston wrote: > Do any of ya'll know of an archive of software for the NeXT ? Try: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next ftp://ftp.peanuts.org ftp://ftp.omnigroup.com > Are there any screen savers for it? Each user can have their own screen saver preferences by running the BackSpace application found in /NextDeveloper/Demos. Just put it on your dock and use Workspace's preferences to set it to autolaunch on login. You will find a number of free additional plug-ins (Backspace Modules) for this application at the ftp site mentioned above. > NeXTSTATION 25mhz, 8/105 I would strongly recommend putting some more RAM in that baby if you are going to use it for anything non-trivial. Things run much more smoothly if you aren't swapping alot. -- Allan Noordvyk, Software Artisan e-mail: allan@ali.bc.ca ALI Technologies Voice: 604.279.5422 x 317 Richmond, Canada Fax: 604.279.5468 * NeXT and MIME mail welcome * "I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck." -- Rob Pike, commenting on The X Window System
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 18:41:19 -0600 From: poundmacvits@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Apple's plans for NeXTStep? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <855100411.26830@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service References: <E4nBz8.HsM@gorilla.nbn.com> <5cibuo$s76@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32F1203D.602D@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> <5d2uq4$mk2@usenet.rpi.edu> In article <5d2uq4$mk2@usenet.rpi.edu>, > > Rhapsody is going to include a lot of Mac technologies (the Quicktime > Media Layer, OpenDoc, etc). Chances are that NeXTSTEP will not. > So, there are some Mac apps which probably won't make it to NeXTSTEP, > even if they are running on Rhapsody. > It's not just that Rhapsody will contain a lot of mac technologies that will prevent a lot of mac apps from appearing for NeXTSTEP. Rhapsody, hopefully, will contain a 'bluebox' that will run MacOS applications. NeXTSTEP does not contain such a siamese setup, although there are apparantly virtual mac machines for NeXTSTEP. This is really a moot point though since most future apps developed for Rhapsody will probably run on current NeXT setups, while at the same time current mac apps will be gradually ported the Rhapsody OS i.e. will probably run under NeXT. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: matthewv@macconnect.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 01:19:20 -0900 Organization: None Distribution: inet Message-ID: <matthewv-0402970119210001@accs-as32-dp08.snfc.grid.net> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr> In article <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr>, grotskos@compulink.gr (Gabriel Rotskos) wrote: > On 28 Jan 1997 11:18:39 -0700, jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John > Stevens) wrote: > > >The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the > >color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called > >the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). > > No, the Spectrum (that was the name) used the Z80. The 68008 was used > in the Sinclair QL (for Quantum Leap). > > Gabriel Wasn't Rainbow the name of a machine from DEC? -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv@macconnect.com Classical Music and Macintosh computers? Yeah, you could say I'm in the minority...
From: GWILLEM@alpha.ntu.ac.sg (Van Schaik Willem Anthon Johan ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: differences in NS3.2 and 3.3 for PingPong Date: 5 Feb 1997 13:29:02 GMT Organization: Nanyang Technological University Message-ID: <5da1uu$mqi@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> Hi there, PingPong is a PNG viewer for black/white hardware. (BTW PNG is the proposed license-free replacement for GIF). I'm the author of this viewer and I'm confronted with a very unexplainable problem. On my system (black NS3.2) everything is fine. However, one other person who runs on black 3.3 and white 4.1 has the problem that everything is fine, until he opens images larger than 800x1000. Are there people running white NS3.2 and who are using PingPong that are willing to test for me if images > 800x1000 are going fine? And the same for other users of NS3.3 black or white, because it could still be a configuration issue. Please send me your success / failure story for both small and large images, including your configuration. Thanks a lot, Willem willem@gintic.gov.sg http://mht3.gintic.gov.sg:8000/pingpong/ or http://mht3.gintic.gov.sg:8000/png/ for more general info on PNG.
From: "Stephen J. Perkins" <perkins@ti.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nextppp mailing list & PPP question Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 12:52:40 -0600 Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. Message-ID: <32F8D6F8.3C14@ti.com> References: 039ccb56ec357ebe579c0dba943953cc - <199702042250.RAA02464@nerc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: luomat@peak.org Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > Responding To: David Pascua <pascua+@andrew.cmu.edu> > Original Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:44:22 -0500 > > > Is it just me, or is the nextppp mailing list > > (nextppp@listproc.thoughtport.com) down? > > I haven't been getting anytbing either. > > You might try resubscribing. > > I've started posting to comp.protocols.ppp for my questions. > Hi all, the problem with the listprocessor is as follows: Many people subscribe using an email address that stands behind a PPP link. If the listprocessor tries to send you mail and has trouble connecting to your domain (PPP link is down) it will change your status to "POSTPONE". Basically this means you are still subscribed but you don't get CC'd on the mail. The listprocessor does try for awhile. But if it receives too many returns (due to timeout) it will change the status. I have not been very happy with listproc and have wanted to move to majordomo. However, my last attempts at moving the list were met with a bit of resistance from the sysadmins. I hope that in the near future I will be able to move the mailing list to one that works a bit better. Sorry for the troubles... - Steve -- Stephen J. Perkins Tel. +1(972)995-0029, Fax +1(972)995-6194, e-mail: perkins@ti.com Texas Instruments, P.O. Box 655474, MS 446, Dallas, TX 75265
From: ptwareck@the-wire.com (Piotr Twarecki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Impact Software Publishing - Dead or Alive? Date: 5 Feb 1997 00:09:19 GMT Organization: -the-Wire- in Toronto, Canada Message-ID: <5d8j3f$g7m$1@news.the-wire.com> ReplyTo: ptwareck@the-wire.com Hello, I've been trying to reach Impact by mail and by phone for the past two weeks with no luck. Are they still in business? --- Piotr Twarecki <ptwareck@the-wire.com> (NeXTMail and MIME welcome)
From: seward@netcom.ca (John Savard) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 02:15:02 GMT Organization: Netcom Canada Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5dbf2q$n6o@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr> <matthewv-0402970119210001@accs-as32-dp08.snfc.grid.net> matthewv@macconnect.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: >In article <32f0b06b.22787016@news.compulink.gr>, grotskos@compulink.gr >(Gabriel Rotskos) wrote: >> On 28 Jan 1997 11:18:39 -0700, jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com (John >> Stevens) wrote: >> >> >The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the >> >color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called >> >the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). >> >> No, the Spectrum (that was the name) used the Z80. The 68008 was used >> in the Sinclair QL (for Quantum Leap). >> >> Gabriel >Wasn't Rainbow the name of a machine from DEC? Yes. The Sinclair Spectrum was a small machine, a color version of their famous really cheap computer. The Sinclair QL, based on an 8-bit bus version of the 68000, the 68008, was more like an ordinary home computer, but it used tape cartridges based on a proprietary videotape-like technology rather than floppy disks. The DEC Rainbow belonged to a series of computers they made. There was a terminal, a word processor, and a proprietary computer with a very weird dual disk drive (it had bilateral symmetry...you put the disk in one way in one half of it, and the other way in the other drive). When it first came out, there was no format program...you had to buy preformatted disks from DEC only, but they woke up and corrected that. (One of the early Compucolor computers was like that too!) The terminal from that family starred in the movie "Electric Dreams", although either the Mac or the Amiga probably inspired the movie. John Savard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Eric K. Ringger" <ringger@cs.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Grammar Check In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Feb 1997 11:09:17 GMT." <E54MzI.2x6@euler.han.de> Message-ID: <199702060400.XAA29273@slate.cs.rochester.edu> Sender: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric K. Ringger) Cc: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 23:00:27 -0500 Juergen Sell wrote: >diego@paradise.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp writes >> >> I'm a not english native speaking person that has to write a paper in >> english. >> I'm wondering if there is any english grammar check application available >> that I can get from the Net? > >Spelling: Yes. >Grammar: Most probably not. There is/was a company named InfoSoft that license >d >its grammar checker to M$ Word. I am afraid it was not too good. Besides I >could never get them interested in licnesing it for a NS port. >No other product is available to my knowledge. [...] If you're willing to run Office '97 from MS, then you can use the new home-grown grammar checker in Word '97. Normally I wouldn't even dare mention the thing in a NeXT newsgroup. ;') However, I did a couple of internships with the research group that built the parser and related technology for the grammar checker. It's definitely an improvement over the old InfoSoft checker. Good luck. --Eric --- Eric K. Ringger mailto:ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science Office: +1-716-275-0922; Lab: +1-716-275-1083 University of Rochester Fax: +1-716-461-2018 Rochester NY 14627-0226 http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/ringger/ ||||| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |||||
From: "Andrew Kim" <akim@pop.cogsoft.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: PPP Help!!! Anyone? Date: 4 Feb 97 21:52:05 -0800 Organization: Cogent Software Message-ID: <AF1D600C-2BE8A@207.13.170.22> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0002BCFC" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.hardware, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://news.cogent.net/comp.sys.next.sysadmin --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0002BCFC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any one can tell me how to set up PPP for OpenStep 4.0 (040 Black) by step by step instruction? Online help does not gives me a bit helpful. I have Supra Sonic and NeXTstation Color. I am very confused and I have a no idea what to do. Thank you for any suggestion. PS. I tried Gatekeeper, & Kermit. but never worked. What did I do wrong??? --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0002BCFC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-0002BCFC" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-0002BCFC Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMILY><PARAM>Palatino</PARAM>Is there any one can tell me how to set up PPP for OpenStep 4.0 (040 Black) by step by step instruction? Online help does not gives me a bit helpful. I have Supra Sonic and NeXTstation Color. I am very confused and I have a no idea what to do. Thank you for any suggestion. PS. I tried Gatekeeper, & Kermit. but never worked. What did I do wrong???</FONTFAMILY></X-FONTSIZE> --Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-0002BCFC-- --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-0002BCFC--
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4091552a.17041612@news.zippo.com> Date: 6 Feb 1997 09:31:43 GMT Control: cancel <4091552a.17041612@news.zippo.com> Message-ID: <cancel.4091552a.17041612@news.zippo.com> Sender: cjtech@inreach.com Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Oracle and NeXTStep 3.3: do I need SQL*Net? Date: 6 Feb 1997 07:56:59 -0500 Organization: PHCS Message-ID: <5dcker$j0i@papoose.quick.com> References: <5cocoq$ht7@join.news.pipex.net> In article <5cocoq$ht7@join.news.pipex.net>, Jeff Richmond <jrichmond@i-way.co.uk> wrote: >I am assuming I need to purchase Oracle's SQL*Net to establish a database >connection to an instance not on my local machine. Is this right? Or does >NeXTStep ship with a version of SQL*Net? If it does, I can't find it. >If it is not part of the distribution (Devl or User), does anyone have a copy >I could buy? Cheers, EOF contains underlying code to connect to Oracle. SQLNet itself is not directly available. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Private HealthCare Systems NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Systems Integration Group (617) 895-3343 ) | "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
From: Adam Krolnik <adamk@cyrix.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:33:05 -0600 Organization: Cyrix Corp. Message-ID: <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allen Braunsdorf wrote: > > gbh@erols.com wrote: > >What are the differences between Sun's OpenStep/Solaris and > >NeXT's OPENSTEP/Mach/Sparc? Please post your comments about > >your experiences with using them. > Openstep on Solaris is VERY slow. I takes a long time to open windows and use it. There are many annoying problems with the window system. I think they are performance related (the window system is slow, therefore operators need to do things a little slower than usual.) There are annoying bugs that make some of the commonly used operations not work well. "Services->Mail->selection" produces two menu's on the screen. getting rid of one, causes the corner one to move to the middle of the screen. Using Edit, don't use folding as the editor doesn't save folded text. There aren't many apps for Openstep solaris. I am sad that OW 2.0 isn't available as I'm not too happy with some things of netscape. Everyone who sees it says that's neat. But alas, it's slow. Also, as most have started seeing, postscript isn't what it used to be. Many files that I try to read using the previewer can't be understood. I guess that postscript written from a .pdf file is not really compatible with this anymore. It's OpenStep (looks like NeXTStep, feels like NeXTStep, but slower, I have a NeXTStep machine...) Adam Krolnik Design Verification Engineer Cyrix, Corp. Richardson TX, 75083
From: gbh@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CD writing software Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:10:10 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32F8E922.360B@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any software available to write to recordable CDs? --gh
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.admin Subject: Driver for NCR53c810 for 4.0 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 19:09:44 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <32FA72C8.350E@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need a driver for the NCR53c810 SCSI card for OPENSTEP 4.0. I could not find it at NeXT's web site. Could someone email it to me or let me know where I can download it. gh
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: PPP Help!!! Anyone? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 10:19:05 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <32F8B2F9.54E682D1@screaming.org> References: <AF1D600C-2BE8A@207.13.170.22> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Kim wrote: > Is there any one can tell me how to set up PPP for OpenStep 4.0 > (040 Black) by step by step instruction? I'd like to point out here that it's really bad form to crosspost support questions to all of the comp.sys.next.* groups. Be more selective, please. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.han.de (Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: Grammar Check Message-ID: <E54MzI.2x6@euler.han.de> Sender: news@euler.han.de Organization: Ink Unknown References: <1997Jan31.043828.28530@is.tsukuba.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:09:17 GMT diego@paradise.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp writes > > I'm a not english native speaking person that has to write a paper in > english. > I'm wondering if there is any english grammar check application available > that I can get from the Net? Spelling: Yes. Grammar: Most probably not. There is/was a company named InfoSoft that licensed its grammar checker to M$ Word. I am afraid it was not too good. Besides I could never get them interested in licnesing it for a NS port. No other product is available to my knowledge. Juergen --- AnsweringMachine +49 511 92455-50 Fon -51 Fax -52 NeXTMail welcome = What time do we live in when revolution reminds us of soap powder, = when spontaneity and freedom get associated with instant coffee, = when a politician's idea of social change is changing names = when a country posing as super know-how factory cuts expenses on education?
From: tralala@mlink.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Impact Software Publishing - Dead or Alive? Date: 7 Feb 1997 11:29:37 GMT Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <5df3n1$uvi@supernews.login.net> References: <5d8j3f$g7m$1@news.the-wire.com> In-Reply-To: <5d8j3f$g7m$1@news.the-wire.com> On 02/04/97, Piotr Twarecki wrote: > Hello, > > I've been trying to reach Impact by mail and by phone for the past two weeks > with no luck. Are they still in business? > > --- > Piotr Twarecki <ptwareck@the-wire.com> > (NeXTMail and MIME welcome) ---------------------------- Try: http://www.impact.com/ SuperDraw4, HelpViewer, SuperDebugger, PhaseScope, enTar. (English, French and German) E-Mail in Canada: tralala@mliink.net Cheers, -Andre
From: Patrick Schulz <schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 12:43:47 +0100 Organization: Institute of Computer Engineering, CS department, University of Technology Dresden, Germany Message-ID: <32FB1573.6445@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi OpenSteppers, > Openstep on Solaris is VERY slow. You're right. Sun could slightly increase performance in the current beta version, but it's IMHO not enough (compared to my NeXTstation). The bugs you mentioned are solved or in progress, just be a little bit more patient ;-) > There aren't many apps for Openstep solaris. I am sad that OW 2.0 isn't > available as I'm not too happy with some things of netscape. Agree, and IMHO the reason for that is OpenStep itself. Here's what I mean (taken from a letter to the MiscKit people): #OpenStep is promoted as a platform independend standard for a variety of #operating systems. The question is what platform independency means. #For me it's the ability to port a project in a very short time on a different #OS (much less than porting a X11-App). From my understanding an OpenStep #compliant program should be compilable on each OpenStep implementation without #major changes (I'm not talking about OS [processor] dependend code) . # #Since NeXT offers OPENSTEP I see a lot of problems for writing OpenStep #compliant Apps and Libraries. In detail they are: # #- proprietary format for InterfaceBuilder's .nib files (i.e. Sun's IB cannot handle # NeXT .nibs, you have to rebuild the complete interface) #- ClassClusters are not defined in the OpenStep standard, and do not work for # non-NeXT implementations #- all extensions to the OpenStep standard make programs not OpenStep compliant # (almost none of NeXT's AppKit examples can be ported to Solaris OpenStep, because # they're heavily using extensions like the new text system) #- there are still classes in use that remain from the old NeXTSTEP API (even the MiscKit # uses objects like Storage, NXZone, ...) #- the Framework concept and the new projectbuilder options (makefiles) require a # complete reorganization of the project on a different platform # #My results after 2 days hacking: # #- it's almost unprofitable to use the MiscKit2.x for a OpenStep implementation other # than NeXT's OPENSTEP #- the MiscKit is NOT OpenStep compliant including every application that's build upon #- the MiscKit would need significant changes to be portable (i.e. to Sun's OpenStep) #- there is no obvious benefit of the OpenStep standard # #To make OpenStep a really open standard I'd like to see: # #- keep all implementations in sync about extensions to the standard, provide upgrade # packages (free!) to close the gap (since there's a GNU implementation in the works # it's not done with a Sun<->NeXT license agreement) [NeXT's task] #- make the .nib format public and a standard [NeXT's task] #- remove all code using the NeXTSTEP API from your project [all programmers task] #- use STRICT_OPENSTEP as long as extensions are not public [all programmers task] #- separate compliant and non compliant code [all programmers task] # #I'm an OpenStep enthusiast, but I think the situation described above has #to change to be able to compete with other solutions like the Java SDK. > Everyone who sees it says that's neat. Definetely, I've never used a better UI on a Sun (I like to use a mouse :-) > It's OpenStep (looks like NeXTStep, feels like NeXTStep, but slower, > I have a NeXTStep machine...) hope for better times, the NeXT-Apple merger will make OpenStep more public and accepted, a good chance to clean up the portability problems mentioned above. Patrick. -- Patrick Schulz; Alaunstrasse 21a D-01099 Dresden; Germany email: schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (MIME & NeXTmail welcome) http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~ps3/ - vmunix: panic - no coffee detected, user halted.
From: rji@puma.inmos.co.uk (Richard Ingram) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: 68K deception? was Re: "Power" PC chips.. Date: 07 Feb 1997 14:50:32 +0000 Organization: Scarlet Score For Mescalero Sender: rji@puma.inmos.co.uk Distribution: inet Message-ID: <dzafpgvfev.fsf@puma.inmos.co.uk> References: <5afe12$see@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <32e24426.76640599@news.sover.net> <5c05bt$rn2@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com> <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL> <5clftv$q80@bamboo.verinet.com> <5ct5cg$795@upsn6.u-psud.fr> In-reply-to: benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr's message of 31 Jan 1997 16:07:44 GMT In article <5ct5cg$795@upsn6.u-psud.fr> benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr (Jean BENOIT) writes: From: benoit@medoc-ias.u-psud.fr (Jean BENOIT) John Stevens (jstevens@bamboo.verinet.com) wrote: : In article <E4EJz4.3qr@AWT.NL>, : Drs G. C. Th. Wierda <G.C.Th.Wierda@AWT.nl> wrote: : : The 68008. Which was used in a late model Sinclair computer, the : color one (can't for the life of me remember whether is was called : the Rainbow, or some other kitschy "color" name). Wasn't that the Sinclair QL ? Jean Yes it was indeed the QL. Richard.
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Driver for NCR53c810 for 4.0 Date: 7 Feb 1997 15:11:22 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5dfgmq$6af@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <32FA72C8.350E@smart.net> In article <32FA72C8.350E@smart.net> gh@smart.net writes: > I need a driver for the NCR53c810 SCSI card for > OPENSTEP 4.0. Use the SymbiosLogic Driver: SYM53c It CAN be found at NeXTanswers. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:01:10 -0600 From: jjfeiler@relief.com Subject: Unsupported JPEG process: SOF type 0xc2 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <855334288.23378@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News USENET Posting Service I grabbed some images off the net, and the version of djpeg that I have gives me the error "Unsupported JPEG process: SOF type 0xc2" when I try to view the image. Does anyone know of a more up-to-date tool that qupports this format? Thanks, John John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: edick@idcomm.com (Dick Erlacher) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: "Power" PC chips can beat shity Petium Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 17:28:07 GMT Organization: Erlacher Associates Message-ID: <32fb4e5f.127732770@superego.idcomm.com> References: <5bluur$ump$3@doffen.uninett.no> lolsen@hsr.no (Lasse Olsen) wrote: >Nervous writes: >: In article <edodge-0701972222360001@ip-pdx19-23.teleport.com>, >: edodge@teleport.com (Edward Dodge) wrote: > >: In article <32D20D7C.C75@rogerswave.ca>, jmiller@rogerswave.ca wrote: >: >: > Lasse Olsen wrote: >: > > : They are also available in a 533Mhz clone. > >: > > Where can I buy one? >: > > Cheers... > >: > The 533Mhz isn't out yet but you can buy a 225Mhz TODAY. >: >: >: Can buy a 250Mhz today as well, I think. I wonder where the 250Mhz PPro is? > >: You can get a 300Mhz 603e as well. Even multiprocessor 604e-based computers. > > So, again, where can I buy it at 533Mhz? > Cheers... ====================================================== so . . . why is it that most participants in an inane thread as this one can't even spell?
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc [MiscKit] Date: 7 Feb 1997 19:13:40 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5dfut4$k5a@news.xmission.com> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> <32FB1573.6445@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> As MiscKit administrator, I feel like I ought to add a few comments and explanations to Patrick Schulz's post, since it brings up some good points and raises a few issues I haven't had time to answer before. (But the public posting almost requires a response, IMHO.) On the MiscKit/OPENSTEP issues brought up here, there are a few things to note: (a) MiscKit2 as it stands is a pre-alpha and is, in my own words from the press release, "almost useless". (b) It is built on NEXT's OPENSTEP because I don't have a Solaris box to work with. (c) MiscKit is a free project and happens in people's spare time. To give more details: (a) pre-alpha; useless There's a lot of work to be done, and the OPENSTEP conversion is very incomplete. I want it to eventually be a 100% OPENSTEP compliant system and this means that there's a lot of work to do. I cannot do it all myself, and to date, not too many people have stepped in to help. Those who have: Thanks! Those who haven't: either step in and help--otherwise you have no right to complain! We _will_ get there. I'd like to do it ASAP, but as the rest of this explains, reality will cause delays in a project like this... (b) no Solaris boxes I'd be happy to make it compliant to the Solaris spec, but without a box to work with, _I_ can't do the work. If Sun cares enough about this to place a Sparc box on my desk, I'll be happy to make the MiscKit more Sparc-friendly. To date, they've expressed some interest, but not that much. What I envision is that we'll--as we always have--build off of everything NeXT gives us. Since some of that isn't in the OPENSTEP spec, what isn't in NeXT's version will have to be written for the Sparc version--ie, a non-OPENSTEP extension provided by NeXT would be recreated for the Sparc OPENSTEP. Obviously, some extensions are a bit beyond our scope to recreate, but a lot of the extensions we already almost have by virtue of the functionality of the MiscKit1 code we are porting. But without a Sun box--or someone with a Sun box stepping in to help--that situation probably won't get any better. Note that the "extra" stuff we need to run on Sun's environment is something we would probably want to either donate to GnuStep, or, if GnuStep already has it, borrow from them. :-) (c) freebie done in spare time Seems like we're all short on spare time these days given the NeXT/Apple merger and all the hoopla surrounding it; things have been somewhat slow in the submission receipt department, and I haven't had a lot of time to do the work myself. Progress is happening, but very slowly. [To keep it in perspective, here's the projects I have to keep my "spare time" busy: MiscKit1, MiscKit2, 3DKit, Indexing Kit, GameKit, several games, webmaster for several sites (www.planetary.net, www.yacktman.com, etc.) and tht's not counting family time and my regular job! So if you wait for _me_ to do all the work, it will eventually happen but not very quickly. Volunteers truly are needed!] At any rate, the problems addressed in the post that was copied from the MiscKit list are all things I plan to address over time. Right now, though, the post points out some very real flaws in the current MiscKit. My answer is: rather than complain, become part of the solution! That's the whole philosophy behind the kit itself and taking action like that will help everyone involved. :-) So, given that I acknowledge that MiscKit2 is currently almost useless for OPENSTEP development, I'd like to remind everyone that I don't plan for it to stay that way. The point point of making the kit is for it to be used, and I will do all that I can (now and in the future) to make sure that it can be used! -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc Date: 7 Feb 1997 20:20:12 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5dg2ps$e1h@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> <32FB1573.6445@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> Patrick Schulz <schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> wrote: >> Openstep on Solaris is VERY slow. >You're right. Sun could slightly increase performance in the current >beta version, >but it's IMHO not enough (compared to my NeXTstation). A SPARC running NEXTSTEP 3.3 is about four times as fast as a Turbo station by the usual benchmarks and feels much faster. Are you telling me that Openstep over Solaris is as slow as a station? I hope not. My machine has a CG3 in it, which NEXTSTEP doesn't support (I fixed the driver myself). I borrowed a CG6 one day and swapped it to see if there was any speed difference. It felt the same, but the graphics benchmarks said it was a little slower. My machine also runs better now that I've upgraded to 80MB of memory. OmniWeb is really the only thing that gets it swapping a lot. ab
From: yblock@next.mc.maricopa.edu (York Block) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Question about memory configuration Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 14:18:56 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <yblock-0702971418570001@60.phoenix-001.az.dial-access.att.net> I have a Next Turbo Color computer with 16MB (2 8MB SIMMs) of memory. I want to upgrade it to 64MB. - Should I get 2 32MB SIMMs and take off the 2 8MB SIMMs? or - Do I need to get 4 16MB SIMMS? Carlos.
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sendmail: removing actual host from FROM:? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 7 Feb 1997 23:22:19 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5dgdfb$qji@nntp.Stanford.EDU> NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN When I send mail from my machine, it says "stanj@hostname.domain". This then prompts people with some backwards mailers to reply directly to that host, which so happens to be down most of the time. Short of adding a "Reply-To: field, which gets disregarded anyway, how can I remove teh actual hostname from the From: field? I know that one can tweak the sendmail.cf and make the mail appear to come from a given host; the problem is that when several people are using the machine, I still would like to keep the username flexible. Mail should somehow appear to come from user@mailserver.domain or so. Sounds reasonable? Thanks, - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tgl@netcom.com (Tom Lane) Subject: Re: Unsupported JPEG process: SOF type 0xc2 Message-ID: <TGL.97Feb7164305@netcom17.netcom.com> Sender: tgl@netcom17.netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services References: <855334288.23378@dejanews.com> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 00:43:05 GMT Those are progressive JPEGs. Get a newer release of djpeg. regards, tom lane organizer, Independent JPEG Group
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From: shihong@mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp (LAO Shihong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: intel machine clock shift unexpected Date: 10 Feb 1997 01:51:25 GMT Organization: OMRON Corporation, Kyoto, JAPAN Message-ID: <5dluut$4bm@omrongw2.wg.omron.co.jp> My intel machine's clock changes worked fine until last Autumn. It's clock changes very often now. Sometimes it suddenly add about 20 minutes, sometimes it jumps to year 2001. I made a complate reinstall, but it still have this problem. Today it jumped to year 2003, the only app I was using was OmniWeb, but I don't this it can cause this problem. Anybody have any idea? My machine is pentium 166, 48mb, 2.0gb, award BIOS, 2940SCSI, #9 GXE pro 4mb. 3.3J NEXTSTEP ---- LAO Shihong (Firstname is surname) $(0@9'a$(1,c(B(use mule to show Chinese)
From: Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Date: 10 Feb 1997 02:20:50 GMT Organization: University of Georgia Message-ID: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm interested in running OPENSTEP/NS Mach on my SPARCStation 4 model 70. Does anyone know whether this is possible. I searched the NeXT site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in which case I'd use NS3.3...). Also, judging by the remarks about OPENSTEP for Solaris, I don't think that I want to go that route. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Josh
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: 10 Feb 97 08:22:17 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb10082217@slave.one.net> References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk> In-reply-to: dave@prim.demon.co.uk's message of Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:53:07 GMT In article <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk>, dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: In article <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: >I've posted a copy of tcl7.6 modified to compile under NeXTSTEP3.3 >to my home page. Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? I've had it running under Xnext, but no NeXTSTEP, yet. Last time I looked (tk4.1, I think), it looked like it was just too X11-based. Essentially, you'd have to write an emulator translating X11 calls into NeXTSTEP calls, and I really didn't want to get involved with that. Besides, I'd much rather have native "widgets". I don't want to see 12-pixel borders on my buttons, even if the script author wanted them! That might be a more useful port, but it would probably also take somewhat longer than an X11 emulation. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell>
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From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Date: 10 Feb 1997 20:57:17 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5do23e$jov@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> wrote: >I searched the NeXT >site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines >were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old >to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in >which case I'd use NS3.3...). They may have just not tried it, or it may be really slow. I'm using a 5/85, and it benches about four times as fast as a turbo slab, so I'm sure it'd be tolerable at half the speed (but I often use black hardware, so I'm used to it). The box for 3.3 says: SPARCstation 5: 70, 85, & 110 MHz SPARCstation 10: 50, 60, & 90 MHz SPARCstation 20: 50, 50 with cache, & 60 MHz What graphics adaptor do you have in there? Besides the ones they have listed, a CG3 will work with my patch (which NeXT showed no interest in :-( ). It's a bear to bootstrap since you can't see what you're doing, but it's easier than writing the thing blind was, I assure you. :-) If you've got yet another graphics card, you might want to think twice. As far as I know, there aren't any other graphics drivers (besides those listed at next.com and CG3) available for Sun hardware and there aren't any source examples. The CG6 and CG3 are similar enough that I could make relatively minor patches- once I figured out how they worked- but it's not for the squeamish. You probably won't get any sound out of it either. The 8-bit sound on my machine doesn't work. (NeXT only supports 16-bit.) I'm idly working on a patch for that too, but it isn't that important to me. If I could just get a sndplay command that hit the hardware directly and made the appropriate noise, I'd be happy. ab
From: Stephen Peters <speters@cygnus.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: 10 Feb 1997 11:51:07 -0800 Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <qd914wigno.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk> <SHESS.97Feb10082217@slave.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? > > I've had it running under Xnext, but no NeXTSTEP, yet. Last time I > looked (tk4.1, I think), it looked like it was just too X11-based. > Essentially, you'd have to write an emulator translating X11 calls > into NeXTSTEP calls, and I really didn't want to get involved with > that. > > Besides, I'd much rather have native "widgets". I don't want to see > 12-pixel borders on my buttons, even if the script author wanted them! > That might be a more useful port, but it would probably also take > somewhat longer than an X11 emulation. The Tk8.0 release seems to be focusing a bit more on providing the ability to use native buttons, menus, scrollbars, and font designations. I've been toying with the idea of trying to do a NeXTSTEP/OpenStep port, but it's still kind of low on my to-do list :-) -- Stephen L. Peters speters@cygnus.com PGP fingerprint: BFA4 D0CF 8925 08AE 0CA5 CCDD 343D 6AC6 "What, do you think soup is a biped?" -- Crow, MST3K
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: CrossPlatform Development with OpenStep ? Date: 10 Feb 1997 22:06:18 GMT Message-ID: <1102639102.24105432@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA Hi, Can a program write using OpenStep Developper be used on a Windows NT system without OpenStep. In other terms, can I develop a program with OpenStep and supply it with a set of DLL that will contain the OpenStep Runtime environment ? It every platform must be OpenStep platform, is there plans to bring a runtime solution to OpenStep. How much resources does it costs on the customer platform (memory, disks). I simply wondering if I can choose OpenStep instead of MFC to start developping a new application. MFC doesn't excite me se same way than OpenStep does., but the final goal is to have a product usable by the greatest number of people. I've read the presentation from Gil Amelio and one of the benefit of OpenStep is its cross-platform capabilities. But if they are restricted to the fact of having OpenStep installed on every platform, it's a clear limitation to the market an OpenStep application can reached. Thank for you answer. Roger FLATTIN rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: leo@cs.tu-berlin.de (Matthias L. Jugel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nextppp mailing list & PPP question Date: 11 Feb 1997 09:42:34 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <5dpeua$9e6$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <YmxX86m00YWnA3f3hQ@andrew.cmu.edu> <5d7g6a$dsp$1@tilde.csc.ti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit : > >described above. And before diving into the scripts, I thought that : > >perhaps someone else had already configured NeXTPPP to work with : > >dial-back. Can anyone offer any help? Hi, I have done callback on different systems. The easiest way is to keep chat from exiting on HANGUP. You can do this by disabling the line on the mode/serial connection. Usually this is AT&C0 and don't put an ABORT "NO CARRIER" in you chat script. 1 ABORT ERROR 2 ABORT DELAYED 3 ABORT "NO DIALTONE" 4 TIMEOUT 60 5 "" ATZ 6 OK AT&C0 7 OK ATDT<your provider number> 8 "assWord:" <callbackpassword> 9 TIMEOUT 120 10 RING ATA 11 ogin: <youloginnname> 12 word: <youpassword> 13 prompt pppd This script dials the number, enters the callback password and set then teh time to wait for the incoming call to 120. When the call comes in the modem should bring up a RING message, which triggers the ATA command to initiate the connection. Everything else should be clear, as it is a standard login sequence. Leo. P.S. Could someone tell me the address of the mailinglist? -- Matthias L. Jugel -- GMD FIRST Berlin Adlershof Tel: +49 030 6392 1824 Email: leo@first.gmd.de Es gibt zwei Arten von Narren. Der eine sagt: "Dies ist alt und deshalb gut." Und der andere sagt: "Dies ist neu und deshalb besser."
From: Patrick Schulz <schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: OpenStep/Sparc [MiscKit] Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:10:28 +0100 Organization: Institute of Computer Engineering, CS department, University of Technology Dresden, Germany Message-ID: <33004594.288B@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> References: <32F19278.453B@erols.com> <5d5c30$8uq@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <32FA5C21.3080@cyrix.com> <32FB1573.6445@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> <5dfut4$k5a@news.xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, When I posted the last message, I wanted to bring up some serious portability issues about OpenStep, I didn`t like to criticize the MiscKit group. No, I think, the MiscKit and all the other free software projects are great, I wished, I`d have the time to be a volunteer. The problem I see for all OpenStep software projects is the portability problem across the different implementations. So I told you about my experiences with OpenStep Solaris, hoping that programmers and Software companies recognize the problem and start making their products more portable. IMHO it`s much easier to do that at the beginning of a project (what about a portability policy). My sorrow is, that OPENSTEP (NeXT`s thing) will become much more popular in the next time, and because of the problems I mentioned before other implementaions like Sun`s OpenStep or GNUstep will be dumped or discontinued. I`d like to see various OpenStep implementations running the same Apps no matter what platform they run on. NeXT`s OPENSTEP - aka the new MacOS won`t compete against Windows when they start doing their own thing again. My bottom line is: Stay open, don`t create/support proprietary software. OpenStep is the advantage :-) Patrick. -- Patrick Schulz; Alaunstrasse 21a D-01099 Dresden; Germany email: schulz@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (MIME & NeXTmail welcome) http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~ps3/ - vmunix: panic - no coffee detected, user halted.
From: Steve Reid <sdreid@music.gla.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:55:29 +0000 Organization: University of Glasgow Message-ID: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any app around for a mac which can read NeXTmail? Steve
From: jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu (Jason L. Asbahr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.lang.python Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Date: 11 Feb 97 06:52:15 Organization: C.R.A.S.H. The Computers, Robotics, and Artists Society of Houston Message-ID: <JASON.97Feb11065215@fisher.psych.uh.edu> References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk> <SHESS.97Feb10082217@slave.one.net> <qd914wigno.fsf@blues.cygnus.com> In-reply-to: Stephen Peters's message of 10 Feb 1997 11:51:07 -0800 Greetings! shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? > > I've had it running under Xnext, but no NeXTSTEP, yet. Last time I > looked (tk4.1, I think), it looked like it was just too X11-based. > Essentially, you'd have to write an emulator translating X11 calls > into NeXTSTEP calls, and I really didn't want to get involved with > that. > > Besides, I'd much rather have native "widgets". I don't want to see > 12-pixel borders on my buttons, even if the script author wanted them! > That might be a more useful port, but it would probably also take > somewhat longer than an X11 emulation. The Tk8.0 release seems to be focusing a bit more on providing the ability to use native buttons, menus, scrollbars, and font designations. I've been toying with the idea of trying to do a NeXTSTEP/OpenStep port, but it's still kind of low on my to-do list :-) That sounds very cool -- would allow for Python-based GUI development on the NeXT! Keeping in mind I haven't delved into Tk much beyond Python's tkinter, how difficult would it be to emulate Tk's worldview in native NeXTSTEP? I don't mean at the X11 call level necessarily, but just below the Tk interface, with definiting buttons, packing them, etc... Hmm... Michael B. Johnson did some excellent work with Tcl/NeXTSTEP integration at the Media Lab, I guess I should look at that again. :-) (For the curious, it also involved RenderMan-Tcl bindings, URL: http://wave.www.media.mit.edu/people/wave/ ) More later, Jason Asbahr 808 Sul Ross Suite 7 Reactive Systems Houston, Texas 77006 jason@reactive.com (713) 942-7937 voice
From: tesuji@xs4all.nl (Mark Boon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:54:30 +0200 Organization: Tesuji Software Message-ID: <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl> References: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> In article <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net>, MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) wrote: > > Pricing and Availability > > Metrowerks plans to ship CodeWarrior Latitude in the summer of 1997. > CodeWarrior Latitude will include all available targets in one library > package and will sell for $399. > Does that mean with one purchase I'd get CodeWarrior for say Mac, Windows and Playstation in one package? I'm considering buying a 'Yaroze' when it becomes available in Europe this month and port our Mac-game to Playstation. -- Mark Boon --------- Tesuji Software B.V.
From: breiter@mathematik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Bernhard Reiter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CrossPlatform Development with OpenStep ? Date: 11 Feb 1997 13:15:30 GMT Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck Message-ID: <5dprdi$918@deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de> References: <1102639102.24105432@cornut.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In article <1102639102.24105432@cornut.fr>, rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) writes: > In other terms, can I develop a program with OpenStep and supply it with a > set of DLL that will contain the OpenStep Runtime environment ? > > It every platform must be OpenStep platform, is there plans to bring a > runtime solution to OpenStep. From what i heard: An OpenStep/NT runtime exists. You will have to use the OpenStep/NT Development Kit to build OpenStep Applications. The latest information about the price were not so positiv. You may only buy the "runtime"-licences as a developer giving them away with your software. I also heard rumors about the possibilites of contracts makeing the developer not paying per "runtime"-license, but about 20% of products price. Yes, i also like to have some information about the requirements about the OpenStep/NT runtime, and practical exeriences. Bernhard Reiter
From: (Izidor Jerebic) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Date: 11 Feb 1997 08:17:58 GMT Organization: Select Technology Message-ID: <5dp9vm$p36@lazar.select-tech.si> References: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> In article <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> writes: > I'm interested in running OPENSTEP/NS Mach on my SPARCStation 4 model > 70. Does anyone know whether this is possible. I searched the NeXT > site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines > were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old > to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in > which case I'd use NS3.3...). Also, judging by the remarks about > OPENSTEP for Solaris, I don't think that I want to go that route. Any > help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > --Josh > I didn't check, but I think our customers have Sun 4 workstations of all kinds (70MHz, 85MHz) and they all run NEXTSTEP just fine. izidor
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: "Blind" cc with Mail.app? Date: 11 Feb 1997 14:15:43 GMT Organization: University of California at Berkeley Message-ID: <5dpuuf$ks0@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Is there any way to 'blind cc' (Bcc:) someone with NeXT's Mail.app? Please respond by e-mail. Thanks. John
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From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:58:48 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 11-Feb-97 reading NeXTmail on mac by Steve Reid@music.gla.ac. > Is there any app around for a mac which can read NeXTmail? Put simply, no. If you could find the right tools, like uudencode, tar, uncompress, and a Mac RTF viewer, you might be able to manually break apart and read a NeXTmail message, but it's tedious even on a Unix machine when you know that you do have the right tools available. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: scott@leorg.ucdavis.edu (Ryan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "Blind" cc with Mail.app? Date: 11 Feb 1997 16:46:53 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Message-ID: <5dq7pt$3nu$2@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <5dpuuf$ks0@agate.berkeley.edu> john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu wrote: >Is there any way to 'blind cc' (Bcc:) someone with NeXT's Mail.app? > >Please respond by e-mail. > >Thanks. > >John > When you have a compose window open, cmd-7 will bring up the Send Options box. Or you can find it under Compose/Send Options... in the Mail.app menu. --Ryan
From: dbradf4d@aol.com (DBradf4d) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: g77 - gnu FORTRAN compiler ported?? Date: 11 Feb 1997 16:58:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970211165801.LAA01805@ladder01.news.aol.com> Is there a NeXT port of the g77 compiler - has anyone tried it on Black or Intel?? David Bradford
From: geordie@chapman.com (Geordie Korper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:16:38 -0600 Organization: Chapman and Cutler Message-ID: <geordie-ya02408000R1102971116380001@kyrie> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk>, sdreid@music.gla.ac.uk wrote: :Is there any app around for a mac which can read NeXTmail? : : :Steve Just drag it to stuffit expander with the optional expander enhancer extension (15 days use and then a $30 shareware fee). That will UUdecode it uncompress it and then untar it. There will then be a folder on your drive that contains the message and its attachments. The text will be in RTF format so you might want to use something that will be able to decode that. I often just use BBEdit since I usual have very little formatting in the mesages I receive. The only problem I have seen is that the tiffs NeXT uses can confuse some applications on the mac. -- Geordie Korper geordie@chapman.com ********************************************************************* * The text above should in no way be construed to represent the * * opinions of my employer, even if specifically stated to do so. * *********************************************************************
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Date: 11 Feb 1997 17:34:51 GMT Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <5dqajr$kkq$3@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> <5dp9vm$p36@lazar.select-tech.si> Cc: <NO SENDER> In <5dp9vm$p36@lazar.select-tech.si> Izidor Jerebic wrote: > In article <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> > writes: > > I'm interested in running OPENSTEP/NS Mach on my SPARCStation 4 model > > 70. Does anyone know whether this is possible. I searched the NeXT > > site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines > > were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old > > to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in > > which case I'd use NS3.3...). Also, judging by the remarks about > > OPENSTEP for Solaris, I don't think that I want to go that route. Any > > help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > > --Josh > > > > I didn't check, but I think our customers have Sun 4 workstations of all > kinds (70MHz, 85MHz) and they all run NEXTSTEP just fine. > I have run Nextstep 3.3 and Openstep 4.1 on the Sparc4 100MHz system I have at work. They do just fine, EXCEPT it has no sound board built in, so some apps don't run (if they expect sound and don't check before trying to use it.. like Omni's version of Doom.app -- Actually, that's the ONLY sparc app I haven't been able to get to run on this box). -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) Message-ID: <1997Feb11.142706.47358@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch Date: 11 Feb 97 14:27:06 MET References: <32EEA76D.41C67EA6@oar.net> <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> <1997Feb9.105307.1337@prim.demon.co.uk> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) wrote: > In article <SHESS.97Jan29095304@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > > > >I've posted a copy of tcl7.6 modified to compile under NeXTSTEP3.3 to > >my home page. > > Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? > > Dave > If I properly recall, yes. Some company (of which I of course don't have the name anymore) once did something like TK (ObjectTK?) and sold it commercially. Robert -- Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 Robert Frank Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT,MIME mail ok) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch Switzerland
From: MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:33:17 -0500 Organization: Metrowerks Message-ID: <MWRon-1102971733180001@208.137.76.136> References: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl> In article <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl>, tesuji@xs4all.nl (Mark Boon) wrote: >In article <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net>, >MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) wrote: > >> >> Pricing and Availability >> >> Metrowerks plans to ship CodeWarrior Latitude in the summer of 1997. >> CodeWarrior Latitude will include all available targets in one library >> package and will sell for $399. >> > >Does that mean with one purchase I'd get CodeWarrior for say Mac, Windows >and Playstation in one package? I'm considering buying a 'Yaroze' when it >becomes available in Europe this month and port our Mac-game to >Playstation. I'm afraid not, The available targets referred to in the CodeWarrior Latitude are the Sun Microsystems' Solaris 2.3+, Silicon Graphics(R)' IRIX(TM) 5.2+ and Hewlett-Packard(R)'s HP-UX(R) 9.03+. Metrowerks CodeWarrior Gold will continue to support MacOS and Windows and Rhapsody. CodeWarrior for Playstation will be a standalone product but the plugins will probably work other IDE's. Ron -- METROWERKS Ron Liechty "Software at Work" MWRon@metrowerks.com http://www.metrowerks.com/about/people/rogues.html#mwron
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: 11 Feb 1997 18:26:46 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5dqv7m$34q@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl> <MWRon-1102971733180001@208.137.76.136> In article <MWRon-1102971733180001@208.137.76.136>, MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) wrote: > The available targets referred to in the CodeWarrior > Latitude are the Sun Microsystems' Solaris 2.3+, Silicon Graphics(R)' > IRIX(TM) 5.2+ and Hewlett-Packard(R)'s HP-UX(R) 9.03+. > Metrowerks CodeWarrior Gold will continue to support MacOS and Windows and > Rhapsody. Here's something I've been wondering.. will CodeWarrior on Rhapsody be able to build for OPENSTEP for Mach (any architecture, such as Intel, NeXT, etc.), or for OPENSTEP/Enterprise (i.e., OpenStep on Windows NT). Or will the only OpenStep platform it can build for be Rhapsody/PPC? (I think this Newsgroups line needs to be trimmed, but I'm not sure which groups the posters on this thread are reading...) -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: jk@esperance.com (Joel Klecker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:59:28 -0800 Organization: Esperance Communications Message-ID: <jk-1102972159280001@ip-salem4-05.teleport.com> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu> Fingerprint="12 92 9C E4 60 DF 62 CD FC AD 18 47 9A 74 E7 D1" In article <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 11-Feb-97 reading NeXTmail on >mac by Steve Reid@music.gla.ac. >> Is there any app around for a mac which can read NeXTmail? > >Put simply, no. > >If you could find the right tools, like uudencode, tar, uncompress, and >a Mac RTF viewer, you might be able to manually break apart and read a >NeXTmail message, but it's tedious even on a Unix machine when you know >that you do have the right tools available. I thought NeXTMail used text/enriched. -- Joel Klecker (jk@esperance.com) <URL:http://www.esperance.com/> PGP Key available from my webpage, see "X-PGP-Key" header for fingerprint. Boycott Microsoft! Why? See <URL:http://www.vcnet.com/bms/>.
From: stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 12 Feb 1997 06:30:51 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Hi, I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, and would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so far that I get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents (I chose one of the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am printing any >1 page docs, only the last page (i.e., only the 1st printed page) comes out -- then, game over, NeXT stops due to a no further specified PS error. Someone got it working? Thanks, - Stan --- Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu
From: Sven Droll Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: g77 - gnu FORTRAN compiler ported?? Date: 12 Feb 1997 08:38:53 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Message-ID: <5drvit$m2q@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <19970211165801.LAA01805@ladder01.news.aol.com> A compiled version of g77 in bundle with gcc 2.7.2.1 (for blqack and white) can be found on ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (peanuts-archive, maybe http://peanuts.leo.org/peanuts/ is better) under /pub/next/developer/c/... Ciao -- Sven Droll __ ______________________________________________________/ / ______ __ sdroll@cip.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de / /_/ ___/ /_ _/ _/ =====\_/======= LOGOUT FASCISM! ___________________________________________________________________ NeXT-mail, MIME-mail welcome ;-))
From: "Robb J. Albrecht" <robbj@fix.net.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NExT OS on Mac? Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:48:02 +0000 Organization: BEAT productions Message-ID: <33004E62.673C@fix.net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will the NExT OS run on a Mac or is it totally different? -- Robb J. Albrecht production manager and bright ideas BEAT productions SF SLO mailto:robbj@fix.net
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:00:52 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <In0P3o600iWp023Gw0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu> <jk-1102972159280001@ip-salem4-05.teleport.com> In-Reply-To: <jk-1102972159280001@ip-salem4-05.teleport.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 11-Feb-97 Re: reading NeXTmail on mac by Joel Klecker@esperance.c >> If you could find the right tools, like uudencode, tar, uncompress, and >> a Mac RTF viewer, you might be able to manually break apart and read a >> NeXTmail message, but it's tedious even on a Unix machine when you know >> that you do have the right tools available. > > I thought NeXTMail used text/enriched. Not really. It's a RTF(D) file that's been tar'ed, compress'ed, and uuencode'd-- and NeXT's RTFD format is not exactly the same as plain RTF. Someone else mentioned that maybe StuffIt (or unStuffit?) can handle the encoding scheme used to transport the RTF(D) message, but you'll also need something which understands RTF, and I don't know Mac WP applications well enough to know how common RTF support is.... -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NExT OS on Mac? Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:11:50 -0500 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg32154.thr-39fa170b.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <33004E62.673C@fix.net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg32154.thr-39fa170b.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> <bold>robbj@fix.net.com,UseNet writes:</bold> >Will the NExT OS run on a Mac or is it totally different? One relatively "newbie" to another.... At present, it is "totally different" and runs (essentially) only on Intel hardware, the original NeXT (Black) hardware, some Sun hardware and some HP hardware (though HP support at this time appears to be in a different, perhaps one might say "lesser" state of affairs). However, a number of years ago NeXT had made significant progress at porting their operating system to the powerpc architecture, running in the lab on a dual 601 system that they never actually released. You can be assured that Apple is going through that code character by character in the process of porting Openstep to Apple hardware. -- ------------------------- David Herren ------------------------ The Language Schools herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Middlebury College http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ Middlebury, VT 05753 USA v: 802.443.5746 f: 802.443.2075 Boycott Micro$oft! Learn how & why at http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: Windows Native Controls through OpenStep ? Date: 12 Feb 1997 14:26:20 GMT Message-ID: <3326541822.31250709@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA Hi, I have some questions about OpenStep for Windows NT, here is some of them : 1. I'm wondering wheither the GUI objects in OpenStep NT windows are native or not ? 2. Does OpenStep NT use Display Poscript to draw buttons, text fields or does it use the native Windows objects ? 3. Can a window be drawn without a call to display postscript (a window that contains only controls)? 4. How much memory resources does display postscript need ? I'm asking these questions because we are looking at OpenStep to develop client/serveur application which doesn't make intensive use of graphics. Some we have no direct need to use DPS. Thanks in advance, Roger FLATTIN rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: willem@mht3.gintic.gov.sg (RHS Linux User) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: any PingPong users out there that can help me Date: 12 Feb 1997 14:18:25 GMT Organization: Nanyang Technological University Message-ID: <5dsjfh$2sn@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> I need some experiences from people using PingPong, the PNG-viewer for NeXTstep. Under NS3.2 on my black hardware everything runs fine, but it appears that under NS3.3 (black) or OS4.1 (white) there are problems with images larger then 800x1000 pixels. If people are facing this problem, or when they are running the OS versions above without any of these problems, could you leave me an e-mail? Thanks, Willem <gwillem@gintic.gov.sg>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer From: "Eric K. Ringger" <ringger@cs.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: TCL for NeXT (HELP) In-Reply-To: Your message of "11 Feb 1997 14:27:06 +0700." <1997Feb11.142706.47358@yogi.urz.unibas.ch> Message-ID: <199702121643.LAA03436@slate.cs.rochester.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Sender: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric K. Ringger) Cc: comp.sys.next.misc, comp.sys.next.software, comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:43:30 -0500 frank@ifi.unibas.ch wrote: >dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) wrote: [...] >> Has anyone ported Tk to NeXTStep? [...] >If I properly recall, yes. Some company (of which I of course don't >have the name anymore) once did something like TK (ObjectTK?) and >sold it commercially. [...] I believe that you're thinking of Objective-TCL, from Pedja Bogdanovic at TipTop Software ( http://www.tiptop.com/ ). The package does not include Tk. [Follow-ups to comp.sys.next.software only.] --Eric --- Eric K. Ringger mailto:ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science Office: +1-716-275-0922; Lab: +1-716-275-1083 University of Rochester Fax: +1-716-461-2018 Rochester NY 14627-0226 http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/ringger/ ||||| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |||||
From: "Ben" <benjamin@p3.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ppp NeXT 3.0 Date: 12 Feb 1997 16:59:37 GMT Organization: Surf Network Message-ID: <01bc190e$b21b4760$5f0c43ce@ben.p3.net> Does anyone know of any ppp software for NeXTSTEP 3.0. I just purchased a NeXT black workstation, and I need to get it online. Any help would be greatlt appreciated. Thanks, Benjamin Folk Jr. Surf Network, Inc. benjamin@p3.net
From: dfs@cs.umd.edu (Daniel F. Savarese) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WindowServer failing (3.2 black) Date: 12 Feb 1997 12:11:52 -0500 Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <5dstko$fem@googoo.cs.umd.edu> I just bought a used 25Mhz NextStation yesterday "as is" and have spent most of my time until now trying to get things to work right and get the login window up. I think I'm almost there, but I'm stumped on a little snag: the login window never comes up. The system message log says "loginwindow cannot find WindowServer port!" or "WindowServer: Exception caught: PS-108.1 on host ... Memory access exception on address 0x20: protection failure (SIGBUS)". Now, I'm very familiar with "normal" Unix systems, but the Next flavor is a bit odd and I don't know how to solve this problem. I see that the console listing in /etc/ttys is responsible for causing WindowServer and loginwindow to start, but that doesn't help me much. My problem is basically that this machine was set up to boot off the network, and I've had to change all the startup files and such to boot locally. I'm pretty sure netinfo is not configured right. Could that be a source of problems? I'd appreciate any comments/suggestions anyone might have to help me getting past this hurdle. I've checked all the FAQs and news archives and haven't found anything to clue me in. thanks, daniel
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: 12 Feb 1997 19:13:44 GMT Organization: ace dot net internet technologies Message-ID: <5dt4p8$m08$3@darla.visi.com> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Stan Jirman (stanj@cs.stanford.edu) wrote: : I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, and : would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so far that I : get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents (I chose one of : the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am printing any >1 page docs, : only the last page (i.e., only the 1st printed page) comes out -- then, game : over, NeXT stops due to a no further specified PS error. Adobe has a set of printer drivers for 95 for the NeXT Laser Printer. These work well, but I couldn't (read: lacked the patience to) get them working on NT4. I vaguely remember seeing something about MS's code generating very shitty PostScript which the DPS rasterizer didn't understand. -- # david young: oo developer, think new ideas east/onramp # vox: 212.629.6800 x170 phax: 212.629.6850 # net: david_young@thinkinc.com (MIME ok, NeXTmail better)
From: Eric_Noyau@next.com (Eric Noyau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: 12 Feb 1997 19:21:08 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> In article <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> stanj@cs.stanford.edu (Stan Jirman) writes: > Hi, > > I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, > and would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so > far that I get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents > (I chose one of the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am > printing any >1 page docs, only the last page (i.e., only the 1st > printed page) comes out -- then, game over, NeXT stops due to a no > further specified PS error. > You have to check the 'page independence' switch somewhere in one of the NT configuration panel. Right click on your printer, and click on 'document defaults'/Advanced/'Postscript options'/'Page independence'. That should do the trick. -- Eric
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WindowServer failing (3.2 black) Date: 12 Feb 1997 15:35:17 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5dtk3l$16e@mpaque.mpaque> References: <5dstko$fem@googoo.cs.umd.edu> In article <5dstko$fem@googoo.cs.umd.edu> dfs@cs.umd.edu (Daniel F. Savarese) writes: > I just bought a used 25Mhz NextStation yesterday "as is" and have spent > most of my time until now trying to get things to work right and get > the login window up. > > My problem > is basically that this machine was set up to boot off the network, and I've > had to change all the startup files and such to boot locally. I'm pretty > sure netinfo is not configured right. Could that be a source of > problems? A sufficiently goofed up NetInfo and startup files configuration can cause all sorts of havoc. You can restore things fairly easily to the default state, though: Warning: Making a new NetInfo database is a drastic measure. Only do this as a last resort. If you've invested a lot of time creating the NetInfo database, ask an expert for help before replacing it. A better choice is to restore the hostconfig, local.nidb, and network.nidb files from backups made when the network was working properly. 1) Copy /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig to /etc. This restores the hostconfig file to its default configuration. cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig /etc 2) Remove the directory in /etc/netinfo to delete all NetInfo domains on that computer. 3) Copy the files in /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo to /etc/netinfo to restore the netinfo domain to its original state. cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo /etc/netinfo -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK
From: gmontem@pluto (GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hardware for NeXT Cube? Date: 12 Feb 1997 08:09:42 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <5drts6$otv@news.csus.edu> -- Hello, I am thinking of getting a used NeXT cube for development purposes for school and other things and wondered what kind of hardware can it use? For example, what kind of hard disks can these boxes of black accept? Can they use PC hard disks? If so, IDE? SCSI? Also, are there FTP sites that contain some NeXT applications, or programs coded specifically for the NeXT cube? This is kind of a silly question since I am sure theoretically any Unix program with source can be compiled to work on a NeXT. thanks, -george
From: tj@oro.net (Thomas Ferreira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I am looking for NeXT Magazines Date: 13 Feb 1997 05:08:40 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <tj-1202972011230001@i435.oro.net> If you have NeXT magazines that you wish to sell, I am searching for any NeXT based magazines like NeXTWorld, NeXTJournal, NeXT On Campus, etc... Let me know what you have and I will buy them from you. Thank You, Thomas
From: dbin@sce.de (David Binette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for NeXT man pages on the WEB Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:38:35 GMT Organization: Satellite Communication Europe Distribution: world Message-ID: <33046d64.45442451@news.hamburg.pop.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 7 neXT boxes, no CDROM drive, no disk space, not a clue. I need MAN pages. anybody have URL to spare? -- http://www.sce.de/~dbin */ unmatched closing comment
From: Yi Liu <liuyi@crystalball.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 13 Feb 1997 22:57:16 GMT Organization: 9h, Inc. Message-ID: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> Since I haven't read about them in c.s.n.misc or the faqs, I think I might have found two easter eggs in hidden in Fiend v1.4.1, first one by accident and the second by sheer determination. 1. This one is mildly interesting: I was trying to configure Fiend for my wife's account yesterday. (She's gotten used to using mine Fiend Dock and starting to like the _cool_ icon.) I dragged Fiend Icon to the Dock, and launched it. Then I thought things might be easier if I locked the Fiend Dock icon in place first. So I did "Shift Left-Click" on the Fiend Dock Icon ... [1] 2. The second one is quite entertaining: After finding the first, I know there must be more --- someone once had plenty of free time on his hands. :) The first apparent place to look is the Info Panel, and voila! I've found it. Control-LeftClick on the dripping image of "Fiend", and enjoy! ... [2] Try it before you look at the spoilers. liuyi P.S. Does anybody know to insert a ^L in Alexandra's Compose window? With emacs bindings, I can't do this with Ctrl-q Ctrl-l. [1] The "Fiend" metamorphoses into a less fiendish looking beaming human. (Dave.tiff?) [2] All the icons on the screen are stringed together in a 3D sinewave kind of dance. Cool thing is: all your animated icons are still animated! -- Realife: Liu, Yi <liuyi@crystalball.com> {NeXTMail|MIME|ASCII}
From: jrudd@cygnus.com (John Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 14 Feb 1997 01:44:49 GMT Organization: Cygnus Solutions Message-ID: <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> References: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> Cc: liuyi@crystalball.com In <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> Yi Liu wrote: > Since I haven't read about them in c.s.n.misc or the faqs, I think I might > have found two easter eggs in hidden in Fiend v1.4.1, first one by accident > and the second by sheer determination. > > 1. This one is mildly interesting: > > I was trying to configure Fiend for my wife's account yesterday. (She's > gotten used to using mine Fiend Dock and starting to like the _cool_ icon.) > > I dragged Fiend Icon to the Dock, and launched it. Then I thought things > might be easier if I locked the Fiend Dock icon in place first. So I did > "Shift Left-Click" on the Fiend Dock Icon ... [1] > > I can't duplicate this one... But then, I'm running this on a Sparc with a 3 button mouse.. could that be part of it? -- John "kzin" Rudd jrudd@cygnus.com http://www.cygnus.com/~jrudd =========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible.============ Smalltalk == Astronaut's tools. Awkward at first, but exceptional design C++ == A hammer. A SLEDGEHAMMER. Not cast metal, a big rock on a stick.
From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <eNriMEgG8GA.57@uptgmsnb01> Date: 14 Feb 1997 06:03:11 GMT Control: cancel <eNriMEgG8GA.57@uptgmsnb01> Message-ID: <cancel.eNriMEgG8GA.57@uptgmsnb01> Sender: scanning@XXX1324noreply.com (Cyber Services) Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: Lars Immisch <immisch@pobox.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:22:21 +0100 Organization: Immisch, Becker & Partner Message-ID: <3303077D.7D21@pobox.com> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stan Jirman wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, and > would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so far that I > get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents (I chose one of > the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am printing any >1 page docs, > only the last page (i.e., only the 1st printed page) comes out -- then, game > over, NeXT stops due to a no further specified PS error. I had sometimes problems trying to print Postscript from Windows, but the problem always seemed to be the Postcript generated by the W*ndows machine. If I saved the Postscript to a file, neither my black Printer, nor YAP, nor ghostscript, nor Adobe Distiller would display it. BTW, I use the NeXT[my printer].ppd from /NextLibrary/PrinterTypes/English.lproj from my NT box, but I fiddled with \winnt\inf\ntprint.ppd Lars -- mailto:immisch@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~immisch Yesterdays yellow yoyo can make you yawn today
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199702131443.JAA14081@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 33d13df0cba50fb75eef4aa2ec2f2352 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 09:43:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Hardware for NeXT Cube? References: 33d13df0cba50fb75eef4aa2ec2f2352 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: gmontem@pluto (GEORGE ARUGAY MONTEMAYOR) Original Date: 12 Feb 1997 08:09:42 GMT George -- your email address is invalid. Perhaps you did that on purpose... > what kind of hard disks can these boxes of > black accept? Can they use PC hard disks? If so, IDE? SCSI? SCSI > Also, are there FTP sites that contain some NeXT applications, or > programs coded specifically for the NeXT cube? Not for the cube itself, but for NeXTstep (the operating system itself), checkout ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next and ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next > This is kind of a silly question since I am sure theoretically > any Unix program with source can be compiled to work on a NeXT. Theoretically, yes TjL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@nerc.com> Message-ID: <199702131440.JAA14060@nerc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 75fd23511e9be6e2f5c6a8f0ba04ab87 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@nerc.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 09:40:04 -0500 Subject: Re: WindowServer failing (3.2 black) Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 75fd23511e9be6e2f5c6a8f0ba04ab87 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: dfs@cs.umd.edu (Daniel F. Savarese) Original Date: 12 Feb 1997 12:11:52 -0500 > I'd appreciate any comments/suggestions anyone might have to help > me getting past this hurdle. I've checked all the FAQs and news > archives and haven't found anything to clue me in. Try searching NeXTanswers (http://www.next.com/NeXTanswers/) for NetInfo, and look for the article 1295 "Restoring to Default NetInfo Configuration", which says: csh cd /etc/netinfo foreach db (*.nidb) mv ${db} ${db}-old end cp -rp /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo/local.nidb . cd .. mv hostconfig hostconfig.old mv hosts hosts.old cp -p /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig . cp -p /usr/template/client/etc/hosts . halt That may be what you need to do. Of course you'll need to boot into single-user mode to do it, which I assume you know how to do already, but if not check out the http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/faq.html
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 14 Feb 1997 09:39:19 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5e1bs7$1d6@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5e0keh$ovc@library.airnews.net> Cc: liuyi@crystalball.com In <5e0keh$ovc@library.airnews.net> Yi Liu wrote: > In <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> John Rudd wrote: > > In <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> Yi Liu wrote: > > > [...with an empty Fiend Dock...] > > > I dragged Fiend Icon to the Dock, and launched it. Then I > thought things > > > might be easier if I locked the Fiend Dock icon in place > first. So I did > > > "Shift Left-Click" on the Fiend Dock Icon ... [1] > > > > > > > > > > I can't duplicate this one... You need to hit a certain point in the right side eye of the icon. Volker
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: echu@bpo-ess.ceco.com (Eric Chu) Subject: Re: Q: OPENSTEP/NS Mach compatibility with Sun SPARCStation 4 model 70 Message-ID: <E5LsCv.9n3@ceco.ceco.com> Sender: root@ceco.ceco.com (Operator) Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co. References: <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> <5dp9vm$p36@lazar.select-tech.si> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:24:31 GMT Izidor Jerebic () wrote: : In article <5dm0m2$2df@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Josh Hoge <joshhoge@coe.uga.edu> : writes: : > I'm interested in running OPENSTEP/NS Mach on my SPARCStation 4 model : > 70. Does anyone know whether this is possible. I searched the NeXT : > site and found a compatibility chart, but only the 85 MHz + machines : > were listed as compatible. I'm not sure whether my machine is too old : > to be listed or whether it's really not compatible with OPENSTEP 4.x (in : > which case I'd use NS3.3...). Also, judging by the remarks about : > OPENSTEP for Solaris, I don't think that I want to go that route. Any : > help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, : > --Josh Sparc 4's are pretty much the same as 5's bith have the microsparc II CPU. they were just not as expandable and didn't have as much stuff... but i am sure that NS3.3 will run on a sparc4 jsut like a sparc5 HTH eric chu echu@bpo-ess.ceco.com : >
From: Joe Reiss <jreiss@vt.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 14 Feb 1997 08:53:12 -0500 Organization: My own private I-Don't-Know Sender: joe@pooh Message-ID: <x5hgjfjxyv.fsf@vt.edu> References: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5e0keh$ovc@library.airnews.net> <5e1bs7$1d6@www.langen.bull.de> Fiend actually has several easter eggs. There are at least two on the icon. Left-clicking (no modifiers needed) in the proper location of the right eye causes the fade to the author's face, along with the sound of some children screaming. Left-clicking on the left eye causes the head to spin around along with the sound of demonical laughter. In the info panel, clicking on the Fiend icon causes the icon wave described earlier in this thread. Clicking on the text causes a sound to play. Joe -- | NeXTMail OK! | Oh, shit... | | ________ | | | | |__) | ======================================================== | | (_|OE| \EISS | - Lt. Cmdr. Data, "Star Trek: Generations" |
From: dcl@panix.com (David C. Lambert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two Easter Eggs in Fiend v1.4.1 Date: 14 Feb 1997 10:34:58 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <5e20n2$9js@panix.com> References: <5e068c$6pu@library.airnews.net> <5e0g2h$d51$1@majipoor.cygnus.com> <5e0keh$ovc@library.airnews.net> <5e1bs7$1d6@www.langen.bull.de> <x5hgjfjxyv.fsf@vt.edu> In <x5hgjfjxyv.fsf@vt.edu> Joe Reiss <jreiss@vt.edu> writes: >Fiend actually has several easter eggs. Hey! You're giving away all my secrets! >There are at least two on the >icon. Left-clicking (no modifiers needed) in the proper location of >the right eye causes the fade to the author's face, along with the >sound of some children screaming. The children are Bart and Lisa Simpson. -- David C. Lambert dcl@panix.com (finger for PGP 2.6.2 public key) (key fingerprint "5F 88 1A 54 3C EA DA FA F5 8E 0B 68 48 4C 02 48")
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Printer problems Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:10:04 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: unknown My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this fix. -Greg
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From: Christian Kuhtz <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: 14 Feb 1997 18:43:47 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5e2bp3$lvh@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this >fix. This can be a problem with the mechanics within the printer, however, I also noticed that differently weighted paper makes a heck of a difference as well. Buy paper specifically for laser printers and not just copier paper. Mine here will work fine with for instance the multipurpose HP paper, but it will barf on any plain xerox paper. -- Christian Kuhtz <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> (personal), <ckuhtz@paranet.com> (work)
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:14:27 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <3304B993.1382@gl.umbc.edu> References: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> <5e2bp3$lvh@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: unknown Christian Kuhtz wrote: > > Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: > >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in > >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with > >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this > >fix. > > This can be a problem with the mechanics within the printer, however, I also > noticed that differently weighted paper makes a heck of a difference as well. > Buy paper specifically for laser printers and not just copier paper. > > Mine here will work fine with for instance the multipurpose HP paper, but it > will barf on any plain xerox paper. > > -- > Christian Kuhtz <chk@gnu.ai.mit.edu> (personal), <ckuhtz@paranet.com> (work) Well mine feeds intermitently. sometimes i can hear the motor wind up and then it feeds, but most of the time i hear the engine wind up and not the motor. then it tries to print with no paper feeding. -Greg
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From: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.lang.pascal.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer.tools,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.games,comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: [ANN] METROWERKS TO ACQUIRE LATITUDE PORTING TECHNOLOGY Date: 15 Feb 1997 00:36:42 GMT Organization: De Anza College Message-ID: <jm041536-1402971632160001@mencjo.apple.com> References: <MWRon-2701971033010001@aumi1-a12.ccm.tds.net> <tesuji-1102971354300001@asd16-10.dial.xs4all.nl> <MWRon-1102971733180001@208.137.76.136> > > I'm afraid not, The available targets referred to in the CodeWarrior > Latitude are the Sun Microsystems' Solaris 2.3+, Silicon Graphics(R)' > IRIX(TM) 5.2+ and Hewlett-Packard(R)'s HP-UX(R) 9.03+. So now MW is supporting Unix platforms? Please do not ignore the Intel platform (UnixWare/Solaris, Linux). Also will MW port PowerPlant to X/Windows? Motif? CDE? > > Metrowerks CodeWarrior Gold will continue to support MacOS and Windows and > Rhapsody. > What about the BeOS? Will MW still support the BeOS? Please, Please, don't abandon the BeOS. -- ############################################################### # My opinions are my own and not of any I work for. # ############################################################### # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! Further # # proceedings of sending unwarranted email or spams will # # result in fines up to $1000 in damages. # ###############################################################
From: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep PPP Guide? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 19:49:32 +0000 Organization: Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA Message-ID: <3304C1CC.57A@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got OpenStep 4.1 Mach and see that it has pppd and chat. I need to set this up and would like to know if there is guide I can use. Thanks, Jason
From: eugenem@ix.netcom.com (Eugene Mah) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 01:03:35 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5e323p$sqf@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> References: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In article <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu>, gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu wrote: >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this >fix. >-Greg A common problem that occurs is that the rubber pick-up roller that grabs the paper out of the paper tray gets a little dry. The problem is characterized by a partial feed where the paper is only partly sucked into the printer. I managed to get rid of this problem by getting this stuff called Rubber Renue and using it to clean off the roller. Should work with any rubber rejuvnating compound. Eugene Mah --------------------------------------------------------------------- Eugene Mah, M.Sc. eugenem@rad.hfh.edu Medical Physics Fellow eugenem@ix.netcom.com Physics and Engineering Division "For I am a Bear of Very Little Department of Radiology Brain, and long words Bother Henry Ford Hospital, Detroit, MI me." Winnie the Pooh http://raddi.uah.ualberta.ca/~eugene/ PGP KeyID = 0x1F9779FD or 0xE37A1591 PGP key available on request O- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: 14 Feb 1997 17:07:42 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5e328u$lf@mpaque.mpaque> References: <5e2bp3$lvh@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this >fix. Before you go off taking the printer apart and ordering odd bits of hardware, try these items: 1) Is the paper you are using 16-20 pound stock? The heavier 24 pound paper commonly used in copy machines and inkjet printers is a bit too heavy. 2) Turn the paper over. Seriously. Much of the paper out there has a 'copy' side and a 'back' side, and will curl so as to trip one of the 'jam' detectors in the printer is fed in upside down. -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:49:26 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <33054E66.3526@gl.umbc.edu> References: <5e2bp3$lvh@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <5e328u$lf@mpaque.mpaque> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: unknown To: mpaque@wco.com Mike Paquette wrote: > > Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: > >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in > >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with > >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this > >fix. > > Before you go off taking the printer apart and ordering odd bits of > hardware, try these items: > > 1) Is the paper you are using 16-20 pound stock? The heavier 24 pound > paper commonly used in copy machines and inkjet printers is a bit too > heavy. > > 2) Turn the paper over. Seriously. Much of the paper out there has a > 'copy' side and a 'back' side, and will curl so as to trip one of the 'jam' > detectors in the printer is fed in upside down. > -- > I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. > mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK > mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK It's not the paper. it's the motor. it comes on once in every 4 or 5 attempts. i think there's a sensor bad somewhere. when the motor ddoesn't wind up i hear the engine wind up and it tries to print into thin air. i know the motor's not working because i see the gears not turning. there must be an IR sensor or some relay somewhere that's not working and playing well with others. -Greg
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Bernard Lee, CJK PostScript fonts Date: 14 Feb 1997 23:54:50 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5e3fiq$uu3@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> About a year ago, I posted a request to comp.sys.next.misc in search of free kanji PostScript fonts usable on NEXTSTEP. I received a response from Bernard Lee (jslee@mail.utexas.edu) at the University of Texas (at Austin, I think?), stating that he was working on a set of CJK fonts. However, I've never gotten a response by mailing the above e-mail address. I think he may have graduated and left the university. I've tried hunting him down by various means to no avail. If you are Bernard Lee, or know how I might get in touch with him, or know anything about _freely available_ kanji/CJK PostScript fonts (preferably in CID format), please let me know. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Printer problems Date: 15 Feb 1997 07:50:50 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Message-ID: <5e3psq$djc@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu> In article <3304AA7C.1F68@gl.umbc.edu>, Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote: >My 400 DPI printer is causing my NeXT to give me the "Paper is jammed in >your printer" message. i understand that this is a common problem with >next printers. Is there some way to fix it myself? If so what is this >fix. >-Greg If it jams on input, the rubber jacket on the input roller needs to be taken off, reversed, and put back on again. This requires disassembling and re-assembling some parts, so you need suitable skills and information. http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/printerinfo.html helps. If it jams on output, you need a new gear wheel. I haven't had to do that to mine yet. Check out the above web site. david -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: 0schrier_j@spcvxb.spc.edu Subject: Pros and Cons of Black Hardware Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (USENET News) Organization: St. Peter's College, US Message-ID: <1997Feb15.143343.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:33:43 GMT As a newbie myself, could someone tell me what the various pro's and con's are of the different models of NeXT (black) hardware? I'm a studnet that would like to buy one, but I want some more info. Thanks --Josh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Message-ID: <3306480D.368C@running-start.com> From: Ralph Zazula <zazula@running-start.com> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:34:37 -0800 References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Running Start, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi - This should probaby be put in the FAQ (it took me a while to figure out and I've posted the solution a couple of times). - Open the printer manager under NT and select your printer (we use the Apple LaserWriter 16/600 PS) - go to File->Document Defaults - select the "Advanced" tab - find the PostScript Options - enable "Page Independence" Ralph Stan Jirman wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a PC running NT4.0 and OpenStep connected to my good old cube, and > would like to use this old buddy as a print server. This works so far that I > get the test page to print, as well as any one-page documents (I chose one of > the Canon printers). The problem is that if I am printing any >1 page docs, > only the last page (i.e., only the 1st printed page) comes out -- then, game > over, NeXT stops due to a no further specified PS error. > > Someone got it working? > Thanks, > - Stan > --- > > Nature photography: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~stanj > NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@cs.stanford.edu -- Ralph Zazula Running Start, Inc. zazula@running-start.com 520/760-4890 (4891 FAX) http://www.running-start.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:31:16 -0600 From: john@nextdoor.com Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Message-ID: <856045067.25358@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: Eric_Noyau@next.com References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM> In article <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM>, Eric_Noyau@next.com (Eric Noyau) wrote: > > (Munch...) > > You have to check the 'page independence' switch somewhere in one of the > NT configuration panel. Right click on your printer, and click on > 'document defaults'/Advanced/'Postscript options'/'Page independence'. > > That should do the trick. IT WORKS!!! Well, for the most part anyway. I still get an occasional PostScript error when printing a subset of the pages in an MS Word document, and I got a "WindowServer[202]: nxpd_PageProc: can't print page: invalid port" error in the middle of a multi-page document once, but compared to being able to print only one page at a time, I can live with errors like these occasionally. Eric, THANK-YOU THANK-YOU THANK-YOU! I was wrestling with this problem for weeks, and was just getting ready to go out and buy a new laser printer for the PC. You saved me 700 bucks! John john@nextdoor.com -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <413853649874@digifix.com> Date: 16 Feb 1997 02:23:10 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <22496856059808@digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site eduSTEP WWW site NeXT Computer, Inc. WWW site comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information WWW site =============================================== This online community resource includes - ISV company pages - ISV product descriptions - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - Mailing List archives and information You can connect via the world wide web at: http://www.stepwise.com/ Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com If you would like to get your company and product information on Stepwise, please contact me at sanguish@digifix.com. eduSTEP WWW site ================ http://www.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/eduStep/ eduStep aims to provide up-to-date information on: - NextStep tools and projects for scientists. - Third-party products interesting for the educational and scientific community (with educational discounts noted, where they exist). - A listing of resellers and shops interested in working with customers in the educational community. - Conferences, meetings, workshops - Major projects, such as SciTools, EMBL's project to develop a NextStep scientific work environment - Status reports on GNUStep, a freely-available implementation of OpenStep now being developed NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: april@wwa.com (april levin) Newsgroups: chi.forsale,alt.wanted,chi.wanted,comp.forsale,comp.forsale.computers,comp.hardware,comp.misc.forsale,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.nex,comp.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,alt.forsale,comp.misc Subject: WTB: complete NeXTstation system Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:59:29 -0600 Organization: geekxpos Message-ID: <april-1502971959290001@192.168.1.2> i am looking for any complete NeXTstation system including monitor, hd (minimum 500mb), RAM (minimum24), keyboard, ethernet card, and anything else you got for under $500. chicago area, but i will pay for shipping if the offer is worth it. send me email back cause i dont check newsgroups for responses often. thanks, april april levin * box 1611 skokie, il 60077 * wwa.com/~april
From: pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu (Paul R. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Black Hardware Date: 16 Feb 1997 02:41:01 GMT Organization: data communication and networking services Message-ID: <slrn5gcs54.a8j.pbrown@ashkhabad.berkeley.edu> References: <1997Feb15.143343.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> In article <1997Feb15.143343.1@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 0schrier_j@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote: >As a newbie myself, could someone tell me what the various pro's and con's are >of the different models of NeXT (black) hardware? I'm a studnet that would >like to buy one, but I want some more info. Pick up one of Mooseman's turbo slabs. I would guess that you could have a decked-out color turbo slab for around $2000, and that includes a 2gig SCSI drive (IBM UltraStar) and 128Mb of RAM. On my turbo slab, I have loads of academic software (I am using gcc-2.7.2 and MouseX.) including GAP, mathematica (picked up a license for $15...), the Lighthouse Suite, Adobe Illustrator, teTeX, and everything else an academic in my discipline could want. With the large amount of memory, I can leave 5 or 10 applications open without worrying about swapping or even really missing a beat. (I know when I receive mail because the drive seeks... :) Unfortunately, it's beginning to get to the point when I should probably move to a 2xP6 or something similar just for the horsepower. My P5-100 laptop is noticably quicker than the turbo... I will probably keep the turbo slab at least as a terminal for as long as I can keep it in spare parts, however, because I do love it. (Hell, I spent my Valentine's Day with it...) - Paul -- _____________________________________________________________________ Paul Brown Grad student, UCB mathematics (510)-843-7817 pbrown@math.berkeley.edu http://math.berkeley.edu/~pbrown/ NeXTmail preferred. _____________________________________________________________________
From: bchin@us.net (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: 16 Feb 1997 03:42:17 GMT Organization: US Net - MD,DC,VA ISP - info@us.net Message-ID: <5e5vmp$c3g@news.us.net> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <3306480D.368C@running-start.com> Ralph Zazula <zazula@running-start.com> wrote: >- Open the printer manager under NT and select your printer (we use the >Apple LaserWriter 16/600 PS) >- go to File->Document Defaults >- select the "Advanced" tab >- find the PostScript Options >- enable "Page Independence" Under NT 3.51, I was able to get NT to use the PPD for the NeXT printer. Since I no longer have NT, I unfortunately do not have explicit instructions, but here goes... I first installed a postscript printer, thus installing the postscript driver. Then, I copied the NeXT PPD file where NT keeps its installed PPDs. Then, I modified a .inf file by adding in entries for the NeXT PPD. Unfortunately, I don't remember which file that was... if you have a grep utility, just find the file with tons of postscript printer configuration entries. The file has to be modified in several places, using the existing entries as a guide. This will cause the NeXT printer to show up in the installation panel. Install it, and when it asks for disks, tell it to skip the file. Make sure "Conform to Adobe Document Structure" is checked and away you go. -- Bill Chin - bchin@us.net - NeXTmail/MIME welcomed
From: "Mark Jenkins" <markj@inwave.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: tiff to (color) pict,jpeg,gif? Date: 16 Feb 97 02:51:25 -0600 Message-ID: <AF2C26B2-38709@206.101.238.31> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any util that will convert NeXT tiff files to mac pict (or Jpeg or Gif). All tiff's brought over do not show up in color :-( Grayscale is all I get. I would like to be able to get the color info as well. TIA Mark markj@inwave.com
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: reading NeXTmail on mac Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 05:41:36 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services & Smith NET-Illinois State University Message-ID: <3306F25C.4A92@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <33004210.5473@music.gla.ac.uk> <En08YcK00iV8A1MHFG@andrew.cmu.edu> <jk-1102972159280001@ip-salem4-05.teleport.com> <In0P3o600iWp023Gw0@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles William Swiger wrote: > Someone else mentioned that maybe StuffIt (or unStuffit?) can handle the > encoding scheme used to transport the RTF(D) message, but you'll also > need something which understands RTF, and I don't know Mac WP > applications well enough to know how common RTF support is.... Standard in the latest MS Word and WordPerfect... Check out Eudora 3.1 beta, it's beginning to look a lot like NeXT Mail...except in the industry standard MIME! http://www.eudora.com/betas/ It'll read NeXT's Mail.app MIME mail fine, except it does NOT do the colors... -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: willem@mht3.gintic.gov.sg (Willem van Schaik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff to (color) pict,jpeg,gif? Date: 16 Feb 1997 14:01:55 GMT Organization: Nanyang Technological University Message-ID: <5e740j$54p@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> References: <AF2C26B2-38709@206.101.238.31> Mark Jenkins (markj@inwave.com) wrote: : Is there any util that will convert NeXT tiff files to mac pict (or Jpeg or : Gif). : All tiff's brought over do not show up in color :-( For me the most reliable form to translate NeXT tiff's is to use the pbm-plus or netpbm tools. So "tifftopnm <file> | pnmtowhatever > <file>" does the trick. Especially useful, if you want to do this in batch-mode or on a non-NeXT platform. Another good solution is ofcourse to use Imageviewer or OmniImage. Willem
From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff to (color) pict,jpeg,gif? Date: 16 Feb 1997 16:04:19 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5e7b63$f21@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5e740j$54p@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> Willem van Schaik writes > Mark Jenkins (markj@inwave.com) wrote: > : Is there any util that will convert NeXT tiff files to mac pict (or Jpeg or > : Gif). > : All tiff's brought over do not show up in color :-( > > For me the most reliable form to translate NeXT tiff's is to use the > pbm-plus or netpbm tools. So "tifftopnm <file> | pnmtowhatever > <file>" > does the trick. Especially useful, if you want to do this in batch-mode > or on a non-NeXT platform. > > Another good solution is ofcourse to use Imageviewer or OmniImage. I, not more than 5 minutes ago was asking the same thing. I asked it of ftp.peak.org! The answer was, yes, there are tons of them! Check out: ftp://ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/graphics/(converters,viewers) There is a ton of good stuff there. GifOmatic works particularly well for what you want to do - at least I just used it to translate a bunch of tiff's to .gifs. -- Jon Haveman
From: ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Majid Ftouhi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AVI or MOV movie format?? Date: 16 Feb 1997 16:29:22 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: world Message-ID: <5e7cl2$lfu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Hi all : Please, is there an application that could play an AVI or MOV movies format for NextStep/Intel? Thanks in advance. -- Majid Ftouhi Departement d'Informatique et Recherche Operationnelle Universite de Montreal email: ftouhi@iro.umontreal.ca (MIME & NeXTMail available)
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff to (color) pict,jpeg,gif? Date: 16 Feb 1997 22:09:19 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5e80if$7p2@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <AF2C26B2-38709@206.101.238.31> In-Reply-To: <AF2C26B2-38709@206.101.238.31> On 02/16/97, "Mark Jenkins" wrote: > Is there any util that will convert NeXT tiff files to mac pict (or Jpeg or > Gif). > There's some relevant information at: http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~malc/NEXTSTEP/WWW/ Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: peter.marzlin@uni-konstanz.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: white on black Date: 17 Feb 1997 09:52:23 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <5e99on$14qm@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Is there any possibility to change the colors of the Edit application from "black characters on white background" to "white Characters on black background"? I'm using NexTStep 3.3. Thanks, Peter
From: joegidi@aol.com (JoeGidi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help with NeXTstation bootup anomaly Date: 18 Feb 1997 02:24:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970218022400.VAA22663@ladder01.news.aol.com> I have a NeXTstation 8/105, ADB, NS 3.0, and there seems to be a strange thing happening occasionally when I boot the machine. The system starts booting bsd, then a line (sometimes two) appears saying: sc: scintr program error the machine then starts up as normal. This doesn't affect the performance at all, I'm just curious what's going on. TIA, Joe Gidi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: allan@ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) Subject: Re: AVI or MOV movie format?? Message-ID: <E5rC19.n08@gateway.ali.bc.ca> Sender: nobody@gateway.ali.bc.ca Cc: ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA Organization: ALI Technologies Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:17:32 GMT References: <5e7cl2$lfu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> In comp.sys.next.misc Majid Ftouhi wrote: > Please, is there an application that could play an AVI or MOV movies format > for NextStep/Intel? NeXT has an MOV player called NEXTIME. Contact NeXT for purchasing information. -- Allan Noordvyk, Software Artisan e-mail: allan@ali.bc.ca ALI Technologies Voice: 604.279.5422 x 317 Richmond, Canada Fax: 604.279.5468 * NeXT and MIME mail welcome * "Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine."
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep PPP Guide? Date: 17 Feb 1997 23:04:53 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5eao6l$178@news-central.tiac.net> References: <3304C1CC.57A@us.oracle.com> Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> wrote: >I just got OpenStep 4.1 Mach and see that it has pppd and chat. >I need to set this up and would like to know if there is guide I can >use. > The guide is inside GateKeeper.app and it really tells it all. Anyway, you might want visit http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ for further information. BTW, anyone use GateKeeper.app with slirp on the server side? I can't make MODEM shell stop exiting right after I start pppd with that frankenstein switch. Any ideas how could I use GateKeeper with slirp? Regards, Aleksey
From: zander@conextions.com (Aleksey Sudakov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Black Hardware Date: 17 Feb 1997 23:06:31 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <5eao9n$178@news-central.tiac.net> References: <1997Feb15.143343.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> 0schrier_j@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote: >As a newbie myself, could someone tell me what the various pro's and con's are >of the different models of NeXT (black) hardware? I'm a studnet that would >like to buy one, but I want some more info. > Well, if you have basic understanding of hardware I guess NeXT FAQ would be enough to choose the system you want. The URL is http://peanuts.leo.org/FAQ/NeXTFAQ.toc.html Regards, Aleksey
From: tmiley@yakko.cs.wmich.edu (Tim Miley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Old next monitor Date: 17 Feb 1997 22:55:37 GMT Organization: The Computer Club of Western Michigan University Message-ID: <5eanl9$kpc@news.news.wmich.edu> Hello. Our club has inherited a model N4001 17" MegaPixel Color Display, but we do not have a NeXT box to attach it to, just intel hardware. Does anyone know where to (if it's possible) to buy a vga to next cable, or if it is possible to make one. And if so, what are the specs for the NeXT monitor inputs. Tim -- ****************************************************************** * tmiley@yakko.cs.wmich.edu * Why wait for Uncle Bill? * * Sec/Treas Computer Club * Join the Linux Revolution! * * Western Michigan University * Death to Micro$oft!!!!! * ******************************************************************
From: andydunn@op.net (Andy Dunn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: AVI or MOV movie format?? Date: 17 Feb 1997 23:30:21 GMT Organization: OpNet -- Greater Philadelphia Internet Service Distribution: world Message-ID: <5eapmd$ah@picasso.op.net> References: <5e7cl2$lfu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Cc: ftouhi@IRO.UMontreal.CA In <5e7cl2$lfu@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> Majid Ftouhi wrote: > Hi all : > > Please, is there an application that could play an AVI or MOV movies format > for NextStep/Intel? > > Thanks in advance. > > > There is Movie.app which can play (video only) MOV files. NeXTIME can play MOV files, but you have to be running NS 3.2 or later.
From: no.spam@no.where (Pascal Bourguignon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: white on black Date: 18 Feb 1997 01:33:29 GMT Organization: ImagiNET Message-ID: <5eb0t9$6oo@belzebul.imaginet.fr> References: <5e99on$14qm@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> In article <5e99on$14qm@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> peter.marzlin@uni-konstanz.de writes: > Is there any possibility to change the colors of the Edit application from > "black characters on white background" to "white Characters on black > background"? I'm using NexTStep 3.3. > > > Thanks, Peter Well, if you use a RTF document, you can set the character color by selecting all the text, and choosing the menu Format/Font/Color, and click-and-drag a color to the text. Now, perhaps it would be possible to modify the Interface Builder files in Edit.app to set the background color of the text windows. __Pascal Bourguignon__
From: vhs@nextone.langen.bull.de (Volker Herminghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 12:37:52 GMT Organization: Bull AG, Langen Message-ID: <5ec7r0$1va@www.langen.bull.de> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Cc: vbragin@ix.netcom.com In <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Vicki Bragin wrote: > For the last several weeks, the main menus of two > applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are > nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. > The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these > apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by > using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke > that I perchance might have used that caused the main > menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I > get back these menus? There should be at least one row of pixels of the main menu visible on-screen. Try to look in the corners of your screen for a small black stripe. Or just drag out of the corners blindly. You might also try to readjust your monitor before that to make sure the edges of the screen image are not cut off. Volker
From: raymond@rcp.co.uk (Ray Offiah) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:46:13 GMT Organization: Research Machines plc Message-ID: <3309a1c9.11108823@news.rmplc.co.uk> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> On 18 Feb 1997 04:22:44 GMT, jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: >OK, > Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. The >current specified Mach kernel under development (if you want to call it >that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used in mkLinux, is an actual >microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will have features from Mach 3.0, but >will not be the true Mach 3.0. Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach >2.5++'. > Yes, I too would love the latest wiz-bang features loaded into Rhapsody which would slow it down, cause it to be delivered late, and not really provide any benefits to it's users. >The near future is distributed cluster based microkernel which I believe >is evident in Mach 4.0. Microsoft with licenses from DEC will implement a >distributed cluster based Operating System with Windows NT 5.0. Let's also remember that MS has been promising an OO based file system for some time now ... so I think the lesson is (as with ALL software products) 'I'll believe it when I see it'. > Apple >will implement a monolithic kernel with Rhapsody. This kernel will be >upgraded to provide SMP (Symmetrical Multiprocessing). > .... you still haven't said why this is such a huge disaster, or why the kernel cannot be replaced at a later date. >Distributed microkernels will not only use SMP, but will also use other >processors and resources of various computers across high speed network >across different computers. Some may say this is analogous to the Borg in >Star Trek. > I think that, realistically speaking, Apple should do whatever gets Rhapsody into developers hands in the shortest possible time. If that means losing a few folk because they haven't the time to build in Borg technology, then that's a cross they will have to bear. Seems a fair trade to me.
From: rflattin@cornut.fr (Roger Flattin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 12:02:49 GMT Message-ID: <3812884479.61889461@cornut.fr> Organization: Cornut Informatique SA >The near future is distributed cluster based microkernel which I believe >is evident in Mach 4.0. Microsoft with licenses from DEC will implement a >distributed cluster based Operating System with Windows NT 5.0. Apple >will implement a monolithic kernel with Rhapsody. This kernel will be >upgraded to provide SMP (Symmetrical Multiprocessing). >Distributed microkernels will not only use SMP, but will also use other >processors and resources of various computers across high speed network >across different computers. Some may say this is analogous to the Borg in >Star Trek. As far as I see (in particular official description), the Mach kernel used in NeXTStep is a micro-kernel (i.e. a minimal kernel that handle virtual memory management, multitasking with multiple thread support and interprocess communication). It is able to dispatch processing among several CPU (even if no NeXT commercial product use this fonctionnality) and through a network among several computer (I have been said that this was already the case). Roger FLATTIN rflattin@cornut.fr ---->> On our site a SHAREWARE SQL Query Tool <<-------- --->> Don't forget to Try also our C/S Dev tool <<------- CORNUT Informatique SA Client/Server & SQL RDBMS BP 702 - 42950 St Etienne cedex 9 http://www.cornut.fr/ France email: info@cornut.fr
From: johnh@madcow.dircon.co.uk (John Holdsworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Bring back List, HashTable classes and string datatype! Date: 17 Feb 1997 20:52:12 GMT Organization: via Direct Connection News service Message-ID: <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> I don't want to sound like a luddite but... I've put a fair amount of time into scoping the amount of work involved in porting some real applications onto OpenStep only to find that the common classes List, HashTable etc all gone from the OpenStep spec. Arrrrgh! These where useful, tightly written classes that surely would not have been to much effort to port to OpenStep (even inheriting from NSObject( but no, we are told we must use the impossible to subclass NSMutableDictionary and NSArray class clusters. While I appreciate people are trying to help us out by moving us onto these far "better" classes in the real world we have to keep software running not break it (even if we had two years to change over.) Perhaps this might explain why there are allot of NeXTStep apps out there (OmniWeb, Mesa, GateKeeper etc) but very few new OpenStep products that I am aware of. While I'm at it lets keep strings as a data type rather than a class. A char * can go along using dodgy features like a reference count at (char *)string[-1]. EOF would be a good deal simpler and faster if NSString hadn't been invented. Dates have loads of complex behaviour and justify being a class strings are better kept as a datatype. Flaming on... John H. (madcow is a Gateway 2000 PC in case you're wondering)
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: printing to Apple LaserWriter Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 15:46:07 -0500 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg34196.thr-1f1361.f4cdd@flannet.middlebury.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg34196.thr-1f1361.f4cdd.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> Is it possible to print from an OS4.1 intel box to an Apple LaserWriter 16/600 over 10-baseT ethernet? The printer has no IP address (it's startup page reports TCP/IP: AutoSelect; IP address: 0.0.0.0) The latest version of Mac LaserWriter utility I have is 7.6.x and won't allow me to set a TCP/IP address for it. I see where I could type an IP address in PrintManager, but I don't have any idea how to set the IP address of the printer. Many thanks. -- ------------------------- David Herren ------------------------ The Language Schools herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Middlebury College http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ Middlebury, VT 05753 USA v: 802.443.5746 f: 802.443.2075 Boycott Micro$oft! Learn how & why at http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy From: stephen farrell <sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <87u3nayt41.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <3309a1c9.11108823@news.rmplc.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:30:22 GMT [crap about the Bord deleted] > > I think that, realistically speaking, Apple should do whatever gets > Rhapsody into developers hands in the shortest possible time. If that > means losing a few folk because they haven't the time to build in Borg > technology, then that's a cross they will have to bear. Seems a fair > trade to me. > i don't fully understand this point. developers can go out right now and purchase openstep for mach on intel, sparc, and hppa platforms, and for winNT, and solaris. why doesn't apple encourage them to do so, and make sure that the final product they deliver is simply openstep compliant (or at least just needing trivial fixes and a recompile)?
From: vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 10:34:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> For the last several weeks, the main menus of two applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke that I perchance might have used that caused the main menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I get back these menus? Thanks for any help. Vicki Bragin -- ********************************************************** Victoria M. Bragin Physical Sciences Division, Pasadena City College 1570 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena, CA 91106-2003 Phone: (818) 585-7147 Fax: (818) 585-7919 E-mail: (NeXTmail and MIME mail welcome) vbragin@nextlab.calstatela.edu vbragin@ix.netcom.com vbragin@paccd.cc.ca.us vbragin@pslc.ucla.edu **********************************************************
From: aisbell@ix.netcom.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 16:58:00 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ecn2o$kh2@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) wrote: > For the last several weeks, the main menus of two > applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are > nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. > The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these > apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by > using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke > that I perchance might have used that caused the main > menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I > get back these menus? When a main menu is relocated from its default position, either purposely or through some sort of anomoly, a defaults database entry for the menu position should exist which will be used to place the menu in the same location on subsequent app invocations. Enter "dread -o TheAppName" to view the various defaults database variables. Then remove the variable that specifies the main menu location and restart the app. -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: aisbell@ix.netcom.com Trego Systems Voice/Fax: +1 408 335 2515 OPENSTEP/NT Voice Mail: +1 408 335 1154 managed care solutions US Mail: Felton, CA 95018-9442
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 97 07:47:53 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> In-reply-to: John Kheit's message of 18 Feb 1997 05:51:50 GMT In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: > OK, > > Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. > The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you > want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. To further clarify, the current Mach kernel under development is _not_ "under development" in the same sense as replacing it with some other kernel would be "under development". In fact, insofar as that comparison goes, the current Mach kernel is pretty much finished. > OSF Mach 3.0, used in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. > Apple's Mach kernel will have features from Mach 3.0, but will > not be the true Mach 3.0. Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach > 2.5++'. Yes, this has been rehashed several times, at least in the NeXT groups. If I remember correctly, some of the issues, and at least some consensus came to this concluse (If I got it wrong, please set me straight folks :) That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. Umm, well, hmm. This is a rapidly evolving area, not only because there are people working on the problem of making microkernels more efficient, but because CPU speeds are outrunning I/O speeds, and main memory sizes are growing quickly (though not really getting faster). On a system like a NeXTstation, where the CPU, memory, and I/O are relatively balanced, a monolithic kernel can be easily more efficient. On a machine like a Pentium Pro 200 with 64M or 128M of RAM, a microkernel's inefficiencies start to lessen when compared to a monolithic kernel. The problem is that the system is becoming I/O bound. A monolithic kernel waiting for something to happen is no more efficient than a microkernel waiting for something to happen. On the other hand, a microkernel allows for things like filesystems to be more easily worked on and replaced, thus potentially improving the _net_ performance. Beyond that, on personal computers you tend to have a few processes using significant resources, but not necessarily doing very many kernel calls per unit of CPU time used. [Excepting web browsers, I supposed :-).] In fact, perhaps the single biggest amount of kernel activity on many systems, after virtual memory activity, is probably the context switching between apps and their windowserver. Microkernels must by nature be very focussed on context switch time as it applies to messaging, so if a microkernel were somewhat quicker there, it would probably cancel out the increase in context switches for many users. Also, I would rephrase things as "the functionality of a monolithic kernel 'as delivered by the vendor' is not reduced". But with a monolithic kernel, replacing things like filesystem drivers is much harder. [I'm not talking about CD-ROM-as-NFS-filesystem like what NeXTSTEP has. I'm talking replacing FFS with, say, an LFS, which is used from boot time onward.] Furthermore, similiar arguments about object oriented kernel design were wrung out... Namely that Mach 4.0 was done in C++, thereby making it OOP... It too might be a situation of more buzzword-checklist hype than reasoned implementation. The kernel being a low level layer of the OS, really needs to be tuned as possible, and OO'ness doesn't necessarily make much sense or add much functionality to that layer/level, and results in more of a performance hit than functionality gain. The message-passing _kernel_ needs to be insanely efficient hand-tuned C with assembly. It's in the critical path of almost every operation the system does, for all that it should only be 50k-100k. The stuff you hang off the kernel can be whatever makes the most sense. With today's larger memories, you can afford a certain amount of slop if your filesystem access patterns can be made more efficient. Obviously, if your filesystem code is 2x the size of hand-tuned C, and doesn't implement anything to improve performance, you'll have a net loss. In any case, why are we even discussing a point made by someone who compares distributed computing to "The Borg"? I _very_ much doubt that OS designers watch Star Trek in order to get wonderful new ideas about the future. [Or is the implication that the Borg run a microkernel operating system? Perhaps Amoeba.] Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 18:29:24 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5ecse4$qsc@hpax.cup.hp.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a >thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. I would guess that time to market had a bigger role. But, yes, it seems performance will be better with a monolithic kernel. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue General Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open/Intelligent Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.7200
From: Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 19:49:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5ed154$fu@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: [..] > [Or is the implication that the Borg run a > microkernel operating system? Perhaps Amoeba.] Perhaps Amoeba with a NetBSD personality, absorbing any, no matter how old, computing equipment in its path. Voila, BorgOS. -- Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com> MIME/NeXTmail Ok UNIX/Network Specialist "A German in the U.S., speaking for himself *gasp*" Paranet, Inc., Rocky Mountain Branch http://www.paranet.com/
From: danh@qnx.com (Dan Hildebrand) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.qnx Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 14:47:03 -0500 Organization: QNX Software Systems Message-ID: <5ed0vn$if7@qnx.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> wrote: >jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: >> OK, >> Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. >> The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you >> want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used >> in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will >> have features from Mach 3.0, but will not be the true Mach 3.0. >> Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach >> 2.5++'. > >That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... Just as with monolithic kernels differing in quality of implementation, microkernels also differ in quality of implementation. There are several microkernel OS's that benefit from having this architecture. >Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in >some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. None? There are several, well documented in the literature (why else would all this work into microkernel OS's be done in the first place?) >Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a >thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality >of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. Performance varies dramatically between different kernels, be they monolithic or microkernel. Quality of implementation is more important than microkernel vs monolithic kernel. -- Dan Hildebrand (danh@qnx.com) QNX Software Systems, Ltd. http://www.qnx.com/~danh 175 Terence Matthews phone: +1 (613) 591-0931 Kanata, Ontario, Canada fax: +1 (613) 591-3579 K2M 1W8
From: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 04:22:44 GMT Organization: De Anza College Message-ID: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> OK, Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will have features from Mach 3.0, but will not be the true Mach 3.0. Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach 2.5++'. The near future is distributed cluster based microkernel which I believe is evident in Mach 4.0. Microsoft with licenses from DEC will implement a distributed cluster based Operating System with Windows NT 5.0. Apple will implement a monolithic kernel with Rhapsody. This kernel will be upgraded to provide SMP (Symmetrical Multiprocessing). Distributed microkernels will not only use SMP, but will also use other processors and resources of various computers across high speed network across different computers. Some may say this is analogous to the Borg in Star Trek. - joaquin -- ############################################################### # My opinions are my own and not of any I work for. # ############################################################### # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! Further # # proceedings of sending unwarranted email or spams will # # result in fines up to $1000 in damages. # ###############################################################
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 05:51:50 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: > OK, > Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. > The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you > want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used > in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will > have features from Mach 3.0, but will not be the true Mach 3.0. > Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach > 2.5++'. Yes, this has been rehashed several times, at least in the NeXT groups. If I remember correctly, some of the issues, and at least some consensus came to this concluse (If I got it wrong, please set me straight folks :) That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. Furthermore, similiar arguments about object oriented kernel design were wrung out... Namely that Mach 4.0 was done in C++, thereby making it OOP... It too might be a situation of more buzzword-checklist hype than reasoned implementation. The kernel being a low level layer of the OS, really needs to be tuned as possible, and OO'ness doesn't necessarily make much sense or add much functionality to that layer/level, and results in more of a performance hit than functionality gain. Anyway, that's the gist of what I took from previous threads on this topic. If I got something substantially wrong, I hope someone chimes in and corrects my ignorance on the matter :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:42:39 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <3309414F.56250C0F@screaming.org> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. > The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you > want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. ...nor does its use prevent it from being replaced with one. > # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! what about needless crossposts? [followups trimmed] -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: sschaper@inlink.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:22:21 GMT Organization: InLink Message-ID: <330a0f52.17122045@news.inlink.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <3309a1c9.11108823@news.rmplc.co.uk> <87u3nayt41.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:30:22 GMT, stephen farrell <sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> wrote: > >i don't fully understand this point. developers can go out right now >and purchase openstep for mach on intel, sparc, and hppa platforms, >and for winNT, and solaris. why doesn't apple encourage them to do >so, and make sure that the final product they deliver is simply >openstep compliant (or at least just needing trivial fixes and a >recompile)? If one were to use the Mach 3.0 kernal from MKLinux, would this also work in the present with OpenStep? >
From: John Hornkvist Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 21:31:56 GMT Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Högskola Message-ID: <5ed74c$k4c@nyheter.chalmers.se> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> Cc: jkheit@cnj.digex.net In <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> John Kheit wrote: >jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) wrote: >> OK, >> Let's get it straight guys, for those of you still confused. >> The current specified Mach kernel under development (if you >> want to call it that) is NOT a microkernel. OSF Mach 3.0, used >> in mkLinux, is an actual microkernel. Apple's Mach kernel will >> have features from Mach 3.0, but will not be the true Mach 3.0. >> Some are jokingly calling this 'Mach >> 2.5++'. > >Yes, this has been rehashed several times, at least in the NeXT >groups. If I remember correctly, some of the issues, and at least >some consensus came to this concluse (If I got it wrong, please >set me straight folks :) > >That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... Well... Micro kernels do have some nice chracteristics. But, as with most things, it has become more of something that "we have, too" than a tool used to provide better operating systems. >Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in >some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. Putting things outside the kernel results in performance problems if you don't move enough out of the kernel. The primary cost is switching between user and supervisor moder, and if you have too much functionality in the kernel, you'll be doing a lot of switching. You can make a micro kernel run fast, just as you can make an objective C program run fast. You just have to remember where the problems are. I'm not sure that Mach is the best place to start if you really want a good micro kernel, though. The monolithic but message passing Mach 2.5 is an excellent foundation for an OS, though. >Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a >thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality >of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. It is reduced, but not in a way that will matter on a personal computer. More modular approaches make sense if you run on MPP systems, for example. So, I hope Apple redesigns the kernel before they come out with an OS for systems with more than, say, 64 processors. :) >Furthermore, similiar arguments about object oriented kernel design >were wrung out... Namely that Mach 4.0 was done in C++, thereby >making it OOP... It too might be a situation of more buzzword-checklist >hype than reasoned implementation. The kernel being a low level >layer of the OS, really needs to be tuned as possible, and OO'ness >doesn't necessarily make much sense or add much functionality to >that layer/level, and results in more of a performance hit than >functionality gain. Micro kernel design is similar to RISC chip design; you try to find the most commonly used functions, and then speed those up. Less common things are done by combining simpler operations. If you use static binding and inlining, C++ would be good for the lowest level of an OS, I think. Remember that with C++ object orientation seems to end as soon as you compile... By the way, I would think that NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP stresses the OS in ways that a normal operating system may not do, and therefore the kernel has to be optimized differently. That may affect the choice of kernel; Mach 3 or "the Copland micro kernel" are unlikely to be optimized for running OPENSTEP. NeXT's Mach is likely to be highly optimized for that purpose. In addition to that it is stable, has been ported to many architectures, and is the foundation for OPENSTEP today. All in all, there is nothing wrong with cool technology, as long as it doesn't get away of important matters. --- John Hornkvist --- nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se Working on MSc in Computer Engineering, and MSc in Industrial Engineering and Management of Technology Does anyone need a NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP savvy programmer for the summer of '97? Sorry for not leaving my address in the header, but I get too many spam mails already... If you want to reach me, try nhoj at cd dot chalmers dot se
From: MWRon@metrowerks.com (MW Ron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.text.frame,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [ANN] Metrowerks has Openings for Technical Writers Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:02:26 -0500 Organization: Metrowerks Message-ID: <MWRon-1802972002260001@aumi0-a01.ccm.tds.net> Metrowerks has Openings for Technical Writers Senior Technical Writer Location: negotiable Salary: commensurate with experience Technical Writer Location: Austin, TX Salary: commensurate with experience Production Specialist Location: Austin, TX Salary: 30K Metrowerks, located in Austin, Texas, is a world leader in software development tools, has positions open in documentation ranging from entry-level to senior technical writer. Experience in FrameMaker (authoring environment) a major plus, for the writers, Experience with HTML a major plus for the documentation production specialist. You will find the job postings with complete descriptions at: <http://www.metrowerks.com/about/jobs/index.html> -- METROWERKS Ron Liechty "Software at Work" MWRon@metrowerks.com http://www.metrowerks.com/about/people/rogues.html#mwron
From: "Trey McClendon" <tgm@hiwaay.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Printing from NT to NeXTprinter? Date: 19 Feb 1997 01:47:09 GMT Organization: Ongoing Message-ID: <01bc1e06$d0951700$699193d0@tgm.hiwaay.net> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM> <856045067.25358@dejanews.com> I've had some excellent success with the Adobe Postscript driver in conjunction with the NeXT Laserprinter PPD file also available at Adobe. I don't know if it runs on NT, though. It might be worth checking out. See the www.adobe.com site for more details. trey john@nextdoor.com wrote in article <856045067.25358@dejanews.com>... > In article <5dt574$nha@news.NeXT.COM>, > Eric_Noyau@next.com (Eric Noyau) wrote: > > > > (Munch...) > > > > You have to check the 'page independence' switch somewhere in one of the > > NT configuration panel. Right click on your printer, and click on > > 'document defaults'/Advanced/'Postscript options'/'Page independence'. > > > > That should do the trick. > > > IT WORKS!!! > > Well, for the most part anyway. I still get an occasional PostScript > error when printing a subset of the pages in an MS Word document, and I > got a "WindowServer[202]: nxpd_PageProc: can't print page: invalid port" > error in the middle of a multi-page document once, but compared to being > able to print only one page at a time, I can live with errors like these > occasionally. > > Eric, THANK-YOU THANK-YOU THANK-YOU! I was wrestling with this problem > for weeks, and was just getting ready to go out and buy a new laser > printer for the PC. You saved me 700 bucks! > > John > john@nextdoor.com > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet >
From: mail25193@pop.net (Fred Trottelhauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.misc Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 19 Feb 1997 04:31:03 GMT Message-ID: <5edvm7$t2v@news0-alterdial.uu.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> In <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com>, jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) writes: > Microsoft with licenses from DEC will implement a >distributed cluster based Operating System with Windows NT 5.0. This will need to be watched very carefully, since Microsoft up until now has shown itself to be oriented, under the guise of a cheerily populist "software for the people", only towards foisting stunted garbage onto the public. Mircosoft rakes in billions by virtue of its marketing skill while real computing power is not allowed to reach the masses; Bill gets press as such a lovely bright young man while the interests that would maintain a mediocre status quo and a population which is not independent have their needs met. If this is another effort in that same vein, then it isn't worth a damn. The company reminds me of what a New York City resident said in my hearing one day, "we're the greatest city in the world. We have the greatest art, the most brilliant minds, the finest culture. We buy it all." That mode does nothing to maintain a living discipline, a growing ecosystem (computing ecosystem in this case) - it reduces it to a dead commodity sold by degenerate undead profiteers to stupified consumers. Mircosoft should stick to end-user products for the low end of the market, and keep its nose out of areas of the industry that matter in more than the short term. > [...]Some may say this is analogous to the Borg in >Star Trek. Your references aren't really an asset to your case... Fred Just as an aside, imagine for a moment what things would be like if everyone in the workplace (note ! - just the workplace) who now has a PC on their desk running a DOS/MS derivative would instead have a PC on their desk running Unix with a GUI, a minimal administrative interface, and the productivity tools equivalent to what they have under MS (which exist, please don't even start that discussion.) Imagine ! Half _years_ between reboots No stalls as your OS decides it's time to do some multitasking Fast task switching from the user perspective instead of Sominex-qualified GUIs Real, fast networking without hiccups and hangs Grown-up quality distributed facilities for file sharing and security A computing base that doesn't need a "revolution" every few years just to keep pace with hardware growth and user needs, because instead it is a non-stunted and correct implementation of the cutting edge of developments in the field. Imagine, particularly if you're involved in the business end of things, the BILLIONS of dollars in increased productivity which would be realized if this were the case now, nevermind if it had been the case for the last say eight years. Microsoft just doesn't cut it as the candidate to lead the way into the computing future. Others are more than qualified.
From: Alex Blakemore <alex@genoa.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Bring back List, HashTable classes and string datatype! Date: 18 Feb 1997 04:14:17 GMT Organization: Genoa Software Systems Message-ID: <5ebaap$6db@saturn.genoa.com> References: <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: johnh@madcow.dircon.co.uk In <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> John Holdsworth wrote: > I don't want to sound like a luddite but... > I've put a fair amount of time into scoping the amount of work > involved in porting some real applications onto OpenStep only > to find that the common classes List, HashTable etc all gone > from the OpenStep spec. Which is why Object, List, HashTable, StringTable and Storage ARE still available in NeXT's implementation of OPENSTEP, even if they are not officially part of the spec. For backward compatibility. I wouldn't recommend using them in new apps though. > While I'm at it lets keep strings as a data type rather than a class. Give NSString a chance, most people I've observed find it alot simpler to deal with than char * and its nice to only have to remember one approach for allocation, deallocation etc - even if a few operations are a little more awkward. Plus you get Unicode support. -- Alex Blakemore alex@genoa.com NeXT, MIME and ASCII mail accepted
From: chris@vespucci.iquest.com (Chris Fisher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: websterd binary for motorola? Date: 18 Feb 1997 13:41:04 -0600 Organization: interQuest Online Services -- Huntsville, AL Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ed0kg$per@vespucci.iquest.com> Can someone point me to a websterd binary that runs under NS 3.3. thanks -- "Perception is not in the eye of the beholder, but of his fears." - Me. NeXTstep/*BSD*/SunOS/OSF/Ultrix/Solaris/Linux/OS2/VSTa/SCO/WinNT/Unix/...
From: "Terje A. Bergesen" <no.email@to.me.please> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:18:33 +0100 Organization: NSEP Message-ID: <330AA949.3801@to.me.please> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: [...] > That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... > Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in > some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. I really don't think this is a microkernel vs monolithic issue. I think it is an implementation issue. There are good examples, both in theory and in real life of implementations of microkernel OS's that have good performance. I haven't (sadly, I haven't got the time) looked at QNX for a while, but last time I looked it had a kernel of some 8K or something in that area, and excellent performance. ____________________________________________________________________ --- Terje Bergesen - I speak only for me, not for my employer. --- --- Email adress can be decuted from: t.bergesen at shell.no
From: rmcassid@uci.edu (Robert Cassidy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:29:20 -0700 Organization: UC Irvine Message-ID: <rmcassid-1902972329210001@dialin9118.slip.uci.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. ^ <groan> Sorry, it might be correct but that's just one ugly-assed word :-) -Bobness Cassidyness
From: mphunter@249.com (Michael Hunter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Date: 19 Feb 1997 15:03:09 GMT Organization: QNX Software Systems Ltd. Message-ID: <5ef4nd$qut@qnx.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> Scott Hess (shess@one.net) wrote: : In any case, why are we even discussing a point made by someone who : compares distributed computing to "The Borg"? I _very_ much doubt : that OS designers watch Star Trek in order to get wonderful new ideas : about the future. [Or is the implication that the Borg run a : microkernel operating system? Perhaps Amoeba.] Since the aliens in ID4 had DOS its wouldn't be a wonder if Apple looked to the stars for their salvation. -- * Michael Hunter (mphunter@qnx.com, http://www.qnx.com/~mphunter)
From: danh@qnx.com (Dan Hildebrand) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 19 Feb 1997 08:11:30 -0500 Organization: QNX Software Systems Message-ID: <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> In article <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net>, Scott Hess <shess@one.net> wrote: >In article <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net>, > > That micro kernels tend to be more buzz word hype than valuable... > Why, b/c putting things outside the kernel, in general, results in > some serious performance penalties for no real functional benefit. > Thus, Avie, and the folks at NeXT (now apple), who really know a > thing or two about this stuff, to say the least, opted to keep > things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality > of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. > >Umm, well, hmm. This is a rapidly evolving area, not only because >there are people working on the problem of making microkernels more >efficient, but because CPU speeds are outrunning I/O speeds, and main >memory sizes are growing quickly (though not really getting faster). >On a system like a NeXTstation, where the CPU, memory, and I/O are >relatively balanced, a monolithic kernel can be easily more efficient. Easily? Can you back this up? While some monolithic kernels are faster than some microkernels, this is not universally true. >Beyond that, on personal computers you tend to have a few processes >using significant resources, but not necessarily doing very many >kernel calls per unit of CPU time used. [Excepting web browsers, I >supposed :-).] In fact, perhaps the single biggest amount of kernel >activity on many systems, after virtual memory activity, is probably >the context switching between apps and their windowserver. >Microkernels must by nature be very focussed on context switch time as >it applies to messaging, so if a microkernel were somewhat quicker >there, it would probably cancel out the increase in context switches >for many users. Exactly - and with so many applications these days being structured as clients and servers (either local or network remote from each other), the speed with which you can do IPC (which implies context switching as part of the IPC), the faster the client/server transactions can occur. A microkernel works to simplify the kernel, with the goal being to then incur the complexity of making that simple kernel perform its operations as efficiently and quickly as possible. -- Dan Hildebrand (danh@qnx.com) QNX Software Systems, Ltd. http://www.qnx.com/~danh 175 Terence Matthews phone: +1 (613) 591-0931 Kanata, Ontario, Canada fax: +1 (613) 591-3579 K2M 1W8
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:19:38 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <330B1A0A.52930AE1@screaming.org> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <rmcassid-1902972329210001@dialin9118.slip.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Cassidy wrote: > jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > > of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. > ^ > <groan> > Sorry, it might be correct but that's just one ugly-assed word :-) You're right. I think the right word is monolithicitudeinousossity. -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: tj@oro.net (Thomas Ferreira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WTB: NeXT Bible (and other NeXT books) Date: 19 Feb 1997 18:01:08 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <tj-1802971004000001@i501.oro.net> What do you have. I heard the NeXT Bible was a book on the NeXT platform. What else do you have for sale. Thomas
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 19 Feb 1997 09:08:04 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217> References: <5ef4nd$qut@qnx.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Since the aliens in ID4 had DOS its wouldn't be a wonder if Apple >looked to the stars for their salvation. Nah. They had Windows. Bill Gates was the last survivor of the Roswell Crash, waiting for rescue and trying to sabatoge the Macintosh Way while he was at it (the ID4 aliens are an interstellar consortium of MIS folk, dedicated to making sure that the Macintosh Way never threatens their hegomony (that's why they attacked Earth)). The irony is that Bill Gates was on the verge of destroying the Mac, but since Windows is designed so that Windows machines can't talk to each other easily, he was unable to communicate that fact to the alien mothership. Since Macs are designed to network with Windows easier than Windows machines are, the PowerBook was able to interface with the mothership before Gates could, and the rest is history. Unfortunately, Apple was unable to sell any PowerBooks, even though one had saved the world, and Windows crushed the Mac, even without help from the aliens. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: "Thomas L. Ferrell" <11r@ornl.NoSpams.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior,comp.sys.mac.oop.powerplant,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.text.frame,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [ANN] Metrowerks has Openings for Technical Writers Date: 19 Feb 1997 04:38:06 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Message-ID: <5ee03e$i1l@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> References: <MWRon-1802972002260001@aumi0-a01.ccm.tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now Ron! That motorcycle looks like it isn't moving at all. Is there a 3400 built into it with wireless ethernet? As far as your jobs are concerned, send me a free copy of the marvelous LAGS feeder CW Gold and I'll look over what your new Sr.Tech Writer writes and send it back with a lot of red marks all over it. Just one iteration naturally! tom f44@ornl.NoSpam.gov 11r@ornl.SpamTrash.gov tf@macconnect.GetLostSpammers.com tlf@utkux.utcc.ChuckSpam.utk.edu (Please remove NoSpam and other obvious deviant-behavior text from my email addresses to reply--choose any address that may work at high tide)
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:54:59 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Qn2ZpnS00iWp0GT=M0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> In-Reply-To: <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 18-Feb-97 Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a mic.. by Scott Hess@one.net > To further clarify, the current Mach kernel under development is _not_ > "under development" in the same sense as replacing it with some other > kernel would be "under development". In fact, insofar as that > comparison goes, the current Mach kernel is pretty much finished. Sure, although I do wish Apple/NeXT would support Mach's user-level paging objects so that individual processes like databases and garbage-collecting environments like LISP interpreters could have their own pagers. The NFS implementation could use an update, too. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net (The Rev. James David Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Why won't my Color Turbo Station power down Date: 18 Feb 1997 20:42:17 GMT Organization: JLC-net, Milford NH Message-ID: <5ed479$ctm@mozart.jlc.net> I really do love my color turbo. Problem is, whenever I try to reboot it or shut it down, it hangs, necessitating a break to the ROM monitor, and a 'bsd' from there. I'd like to skip this,. Does any know why it might do this? Thanks in advance. Peace, James -- The Rev. James David Meacham First Unitarian Congregational Society of Wilton Center, NH e-mail:jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net 603-654-9518 (Church) 603-654-9590(Home) 603-654-2248(fax) Church Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/index.html Personal Home Page: http://www.jlc.net/~jmeacham/jameshome.html
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 18 Feb 1997 14:13:41 -0500 Organization: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Message-ID: <5ecv15$d1r@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <3309a1c9.11108823@news.rmplc.co.uk> <87u3nayt41.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> In article <87u3nayt41.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu>, stephen farrell <sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> wrote: > i don't fully understand this point. developers can go out right now > and purchase openstep for mach on intel, sparc, and hppa platforms, > and for winNT, and solaris. why doesn't apple encourage them to do so, Well, for one, many Mac developers probably don't have large numbers of spare Sparc, HPPA, or even Intel machines lying around on which to do development. -- Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
From: joegidi@aol.com (JoeGidi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help with NeXTstation bootup anomaly Date: 19 Feb 1997 22:59:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970219225900.RAA08950@ladder02.news.aol.com> I have a NeXTstation 8/105, ADB, NS 3.0, and there seems to be a strange thing happening occasionally when I boot the machine. The system starts booting bsd, then a line (sometimes two) appears saying: sc: scintr program error the machine then starts up as normal. This doesn't affect the performance at all, I'm just curious what's going on. TIA, Joe Gidi
From: kevin@vulcansthrone.az.stratus.com (Kevin Dorer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Black box on 3.3 will not power off Date: 20 Feb 1997 03:54:34 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> Black NeXT hardware, pizza box running NeXTStep 3.3 powers on automatically after power off. Neither the 'After power off/failure' nor the 'At specified time' buttons are checked under preferences for root or other 2 users. Buttons may have been checked at some time in the past for one of the users. Also tried enabling/disabling power off (problem with this mentioned 3.1 release notes). Ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kevin C. Dorer VOS Mail: Kevin_Dorer@vos.stratus.com Software Systems Engineer NeXT Mail: kevin@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Customer Service: (800) 828-8513 Stratus Computer, Inc., 4455 E. Camelback Road, Phoenix AZ 85018
From: lebmjb@juno.com (lebmjb) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: Network NeXT to a Dell Pentium PC Date: 20 Feb 1997 03:45:43 GMT Organization: LEBMJB Message-ID: <5eghd7$jg8@composer.inav.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII If this has been asked before (and I'm sure it has), I appoligize. I am new to these NeXT newgroups. How can we network a NeXT computer to a Dell Pentium computer? I need to know the actual physical hook-up, ie; network cards, cables, etc. Thanks -- Larry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199702200151.UAA03122@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: ab723a9de45240d5682e612dc0534e63 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 20:51:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Why won't my Color Turbo Station power down Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: ab723a9de45240d5682e612dc0534e63 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net (The Rev. James David Meacham) Original Date: 18 Feb 1997 20:42:17 GMT Message-ID: ab723a9de45240d5682e612dc0534e63 - > Problem is, whenever I try to reboot it or shut it down, it hangs, > necessitating a break to the ROM monitor, and a 'bsd' from there. There must be some process that refuses to die when you ask it to reboot. Try logging out, login as 'console' (no password) and then login to your account (or root) and run 'ps' to see if there's anything running. If so, kill it and then logout. I've also had good luck using a LogoutHook that asks me if I want to power the machine off or reboot. NOTE: this uses /usr/etc/shutdown which you either have to make SETUID root (or use 'asroot' to run 'shutdown'). It also uses the Alert binary from ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/ShellPanel.2.0.NIHS.bs.tar.gz If you need the LogoutHook binary, you can find it here: ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/workspace/LogHooks.1.0.NIHS.bs.tar.gz TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! EMAIL ADDRESS: Please use the PEAK address and not the NERC one
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 00:24:23 -0600 Organization: Instructional Technology Services & Smith NET-Illinois State University Message-ID: <330BEE14.4816@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> References: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Howard wrote: > > How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a > used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any > new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? > I know on NT you need a processor-specific version of your software. > All this shareware for downloading... what version is it? "All > versions?" Yep- for NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP/MACH (there's a set of NEXTSTEP libraries for compatibility, but true OPENSTEP apps use the other method), but NOT NT OPENSTEP, or Solaris OPENSTEP. NS apps usually come in .pkg files which often have these descriptors NIHS (NeXT, Intel, HP-PA RISC, SPARC) MAB (Multi-Architecture Binary) It's cool as hell! But OPENSTEP seems to have a new scheme. Perhaps someone else can explain that. Hope that doesn't confuse you too much. -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu ytalk eadubie@138.87.201.11 MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D---Instructional Technology Services----Illinois State University "NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected software on the planet" - Byte Magazine ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED REPRESENT MYSELF ONLY
From: mxcs@cris.com (Mark Carmichael) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten Subject: Aliens among our Computers (was <...> IS NOT a microkernel!!!!!) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:16:40 -0800 Organization: Seventh Church of Rodney Message-ID: <mxcs-ya02408000R1902971016400001@news.cris.com> References: <5ef4nd$qut@qnx.com> <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217>, "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > >Since the aliens in ID4 had DOS its wouldn't be a wonder if Apple >looked to the stars for their salvation. Nah. They had Windows. Bill Gates was the last survivor of the Roswell Crash, waiting for rescue and trying to sabatoge the Macintosh Way while he [....] Nefariously seeding technical newsgroups with psycho-viral crosspostings *that we cannont resist responding to* is also part of their evil plan. All of this Borg stuff reminds me of my personal vision of the climatic ending of "Terminator IX", wherein the latest Machine representative is tricked into entering DOS compatibility mode using logic (by an aged William Shatner, in a cameo appearance). -- Mark Carmichael "My phone bill, my opinions."
From: arno <arno@lysis.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: printing problem on OpenStep 4.x under Windows NT 3.51 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:37:47 +0000 Organization: Planet Communications Sarl Message-ID: <330C378B.76A1@lysis.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gurus, I have aproblem to print, from a next application (like TextEdit), on a HP laserjet 5MP. When i try to print a receive the following error messages: <printer> is not supported please select a Poscript printer Any clue what i can do ? -- Arno Streuli Network Administrator arno@lysis.ch
From: "Maria T. Thornhill" <sspndr@miami.gdi.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DO YOUR SHEETS COME UP? Date: 19 Feb 1997 19:56:28 GMT Organization: Compaq Message-ID: <01bc1eb7$83f2b0e0$b41d7ccf@MariaT.Thornhill> Now try "Sheet Suspenders" - no lifting necessary, made in the U.S. and PATENTED. See http://www.sheetsuspenders.com Enjoy the best night's sleep. Invented after an accident resulting in spinal cord surgery and being in bed for over a year.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black box on 3.3 will not power off Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:28:16 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Un37iUe00iWm02vLA0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> In-Reply-To: <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.sysadmin: 20-Feb-97 Black box on 3.3 will not p.. by Kevin Dorer@vulcansthron > Black NeXT hardware, pizza box running NeXTStep 3.3 powers on > automatically after power off. Neither the 'After power off/failure' > nor the 'At specified time' buttons are checked under preferences > for root or other 2 users. Buttons may have been checked at some > time in the past for one of the users. Also tried enabling/disabling > power off (problem with this mentioned 3.1 release notes). Ideas > or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Maybe the battery which maintains that configuration information is dying and needs to be replaced. I think the battery type used to be called a "BR/23A" or some such, but check the FAQ for the name which it is now known by. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 97 08:54:28 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> In-reply-to: danh@qnx.com's message of 19 Feb 1997 08:11:30 -0500 In article <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> danh@qnx.com (Dan Hildebrand) writes: In article <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net>, Scott Hess <shess@one.net> wrote: >On a system like a NeXTstation, where the CPU, memory, and I/O are >relatively balanced, a monolithic kernel can be easily more >efficient. Easily? Can you back this up? While some monolithic kernels are faster than some microkernels, this is not universally true. I was not asserting that all monolithic kernels are more efficient than all microkernels for any machine. I was asserting that for a given system, a monolithic kernel written with the same close attention to detail and overall design as a microkernel for the same system should be more efficient because it can optimize away many operations. It might just take 30 times as long to write the monolithic kernel version. Unless I've _greatly_ misread a variety of papers, microkernels are coming into their own because we are asking entirely too much of our monolithic kernels. The amount of effort it takes to add something new to your monolithic kernel is often so great that you never get around to it - and thus a microkernel can be more efficient in the end. In essence, using a microkernel lets you get to a better design for the system faster than a monolithic kernel, so it wins in the end. This is similar to the differences between object programming and structured programming. Any given system _can_ be written in either. And if you write a given system using the same design in either, the structured version will generally be more efficient, because it doesn't have the object version's overhead. The fly in the ointment is that the structured version generally will never be written that way, though, because it doesn't help you manage complexity well enough. Object languages win in the end because though they might not be faster for a given design, they let you modify the design more easily. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:44:46 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E5wxAn.CGn@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> shess@one.net (Scott Hess) writes: > In article <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> danh@qnx.com (Dan Hildebrand) writes: > In article <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net>, > Scott Hess <shess@one.net> wrote: > >On a system like a NeXTstation, where the CPU, memory, and I/O are > >relatively balanced, a monolithic kernel can be easily more > >efficient. > > Easily? Can you back this up? While some monolithic kernels are > faster than some microkernels, this is not universally true. > > I was not asserting that all monolithic kernels are more efficient > than all microkernels for any machine. I was asserting that for a > given system, a monolithic kernel written with the same close > attention to detail and overall design as a microkernel for the same > system should be more efficient because it can optimize away many > operations. It might just take 30 times as long to write the > monolithic kernel version. In the case of the hybrid style of kernel that NeXT uses, though it isn't a microkernel it is (largely) written as if it was one. The design is microkernel based, and could be split out into many processes at varying priveledge levels. However towards the end of the implementation you throw everything into one address space, and gain much of the performance of a monolithic kernel (wrt to moving memory around and context switching inside the kernel). $an > <Favorite unused computer book title: The COMPLETE Idiots Guide to the > Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep PPP Guide? Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:45:28 -0500 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <330BBAC8.6330@smart.net> References: <3304C1CC.57A@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jason Lincoln <jlincoln@us.oracle.com> > I just got OpenStep 4.1 Mach and see that it has pppd and chat. > I need to set this up and would like to know if there is guide I can > use. I don't know how up to date this page is, but take a look at http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ --gh
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 20:52:24 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <jcr.856421720@idiom.com> jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: > [munch] > >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality > >of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. > Good God, John! Please please, just 'John' will be fine. :) > You're going to be a Lawyer! You should know that the correct > word isn't"Monolithicness", it's "monolithicity!" Actually, neither show up in websters. > "Monolithicness", actually spelled "monoliTHICKness," is a > different word altogether, meaning: "The smallest dimension of > that thing in Kubric's movie, 2001," or: "The mental state of > believing that statically linking everything is Just Fine." Now I see how L. Ron. Hubbard became god :) > Yours for a more erudite, and sesquipedalian c.s.n.a, Mine for a more plain spoken, blunt, and effective communication, sans perwinkle obfuscation of content, or pedantic clutching to semantics. :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SSS Feb Quiz - last call (+hints) ! Date: 20 Feb 1997 20:52:55 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5eidj8$5i5@peng.ping.at> Dear NEXTSTEP community, this is the last call for the SSS February quiz on http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/quiz.html If you haven't participated yet, hurry! Deadline is Feb 27. ========= ATTENTION ========= Acc. to the very low number of correct answers so far, this month's quiz question seems to be way more difficult to solve than I've initially thought. So here's these *hints*: 1) The item in question is about the smallest one in the given picture - besides the grass and the sand, of course. 2) The item in question is close to invisible in the given picture. But everyone who has ever had to do anything with photography and/or image manipulation apps will know at first sight how to restore the given picture to the original version. The winners - as always drawn by my nieces - will receive a free HelpViewer or LatinByrd license! Or alternatively, a rebate of upto US$ 99 on any NEXTSTEP application distributed by Stefan Schneider Software (including SuperDraw, SuperDebugger, and others). Have fun, - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://www.ping.at/members/stefan/
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 14:55:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF3219BD-76C68@198.68.42.250> References: <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: >jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: >> You're going to be a Lawyer! You should know that the correct >> word isn't"Monolithicness", it's "monolithicity!" > >Actually, neither show up in websters. Monolithicism, on the other hand, does. Webster's 3rd New International Dictionary: Monolithicism -the state of being monolithic. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 21:43:06 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5eigha$9nt@news3.digex.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <rmcassid-1902972329210001@dialin9118.slip.uci.edu> <330B1A0A.52930AE1@screaming.org> Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> wrote: > Robert Cassidy wrote: > > jkheit@cnj.digex.net wrote: > > > of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. > > Sorry, it might be correct but that's just one ugly-assed word > > :-) > You're right. I think the right word is monolithicitudeinousossity. You say poetateo (the edger allen kind :), and I say french fries, you say toemateoes, and I say yummy pies. poetateo, french fries toemateos, yummy pies... let's call the whole thing fooooo'd....oh, yes, let's call the whole thing foo'd :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: jweiss@MCS.COM (Jerry S. Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten Subject: Re: Aliens among our Computers (was <...> IS NOT a microkernel!!!!!) Date: 19 Feb 1997 17:03:17 -0600 Organization: MCSNet, Chicagoland's finest Internet provider - 312-803-6271 Message-ID: <5eg0rl$s14$1@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> References: <5ef4nd$qut@qnx.com> <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217> <mxcs-ya02408000R1902971016400001@news.cris.com> In article <mxcs-ya02408000R1902971016400001@news.cris.com>, Mark Carmichael <mxcs@cris.com> wrote: >In article <AF30771C-22DC6@198.68.42.217>, "Lawson English" ><english@primenet.com> wrote: > > > > >Since the aliens in ID4 had DOS its wouldn't be a wonder if Apple > >looked to the stars for their salvation. > > Nah. They had Windows. Bill Gates was the last survivor of the Roswell > Crash, waiting for rescue and trying to sabatoge the Macintosh Way while he > [....] > >Nefariously seeding technical newsgroups with psycho-viral crosspostings >*that we cannont resist responding to* is also part of their evil plan. > >All of this Borg stuff reminds me of my personal vision of the climatic >ending of "Terminator IX", wherein the latest Machine representative is >tricked into entering DOS compatibility mode using logic (by an aged >William Shatner, in a cameo appearance). > Actually you could probably get any electronic device with more than two transistors to fail by simply exposing it to a sample of William Shatner's singing talent (or lack thereof). All the more reason why Vulcans, given their finely tuned logic and excellent hearing won't come withing 100 parsecs of this silly little rock. It would be nice to use one Bill to defeat the other and his changeling operating system. Alas the resultant back blast from such an event would sterilize the entire planet. Instead, I think we need to trust Steve and try to imagine how he would look in pointed ears ;-)
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 19 Feb 1997 22:56:18 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.856421720@idiom.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> writes: [munch] >things monolithic for perfromance reasons. Yet the functionality >of a monolithic kernel is not reduced by its monolithicness. Good God, John! You're going to be a Lawyer! You should know that the correct word isn't"Monolithicness", it's "monolithicity!" "Monolithicness", actually spelled "monoliTHICKness," is a different word altogether, meaning: "The smallest dimension of that thing in Kubric's movie, 2001," or: "The mental state of believing that statically linking everything is Just Fine." Yours for a more erudite, and sesquipedalian c.s.n.a, -jcr
From: vickery@tornado.svs.com (Jeffrey M. Vickery) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.misc Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:44:07 -0600 Organization: Sun Valley SoftWare, Ltd. (tornado) Message-ID: <vickery-ya02408000R1902971244070001@brownfox> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5edvm7$t2v@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5edvm7$t2v@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, mail25193@pop.net wrote: > Just as an aside, imagine for a moment what things would be like if everyone > in the workplace (note ! - just the workplace) who now has a PC on their desk > running a DOS/MS derivative would instead have a PC on their desk running Unix > with a GUI, a minimal administrative interface, and the productivity tools > equivalent to what they have under MS (which exist, please don't even start that > discussion.) Fred: I can't agree with you more! In fact, an aquaintance of mine that used to work for John Deer (The farm equipment people) as a programmer told me all about the system that he used to do updates for back in what I believe was the early 80's... Since Windows didn't exist at this time, Unix was really widely used in the business world - but usually with badly written packages that one would use via a terminal. However, Deer decided to implement a workgroup system that ran over SVR4 with Berkeley enhancements (essentially just the 'r'-series commands). What they found is that they could write their own windowing system (similar to X11) that could be customized for their own use - not somebody else's interface guidelines (i.e. MS Windows). Releasing updates was a snap because, of course, the system was easy to patch. Instead of hinging their technological ability on how often Microsoft would decide to release an update, they had a powerful client/server based system that could be easily modified by an in-house staff of "computer geeks" that knew Unix. Imagine how much money would be saved in the American business (hell, the global business) if such systems were implemented today. Instead of letting Gates get a share of everything, everything would be based on an industry-standard that can be ported to practically any other Unix platform. One common complaint is that you would then have systems that can't talk to each other. The contrary, though, is true - TCP/IP is good enough to drive a network as large as the Internet - why wouldn't it be good enough for corporate Intranet's? MS and any other Windows peddling company seems to think so as well, as they're dumping millions into the Intranet philosophy...Something that could have been done with Unix systems almost 20 years ago. I think relying on a key player like MS to provide updates for "everything" will be the downfall...or at least I hope it will be. Anyway, enough ranting... Best, Jeff +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeffrey M. Vickery | Electronic Mail: vickery@tornado.svs.com | | System Administrator +--------------------------------------------------+ | tornado.svs.com | World Wide Web: http://tornado.svs.com/~vickery/ | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: dental@precipice.com (Rick Sanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep PPP Guide? Date: 21 Feb 1997 03:24:48 GMT Organization: Dental Records[tm] Message-ID: <5ej4i0$o55@news1-alterdial.uu.net> References: <3304C1CC.57A@us.oracle.com> <330BBAC8.6330@smart.net> Cc: gh@smart.net In <330BBAC8.6330@smart.net> gh@smart.net wrote: > > I just got OpenStep 4.1 Mach and see that it has pppd and chat. > > I need to set this up and would like to know if there is guide I can > > use. > > I don't know how up to date this page is, but take > a look at http://www.thoughtport.com:8080/PPP/ > > --gh > there's also on-line docs at: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/ReleaseNotes/PPP.rtf -rick
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:43:25 -0600 Organization: mementech, inc. Message-ID: <330D0BCD.5AD3C7F6@screaming.org> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <jcr.856421720@idiom.com> <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit wrote: > jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: > > > > "Monolithicness", actually spelled "monoliTHICKness," is a > > different word altogether, meaning: "The smallest dimension of > > that thing in Kubric's movie, 2001," or: "The mental state of > > believing that statically linking everything is Just Fine." > > Now I see how L. Ron. Hubbard became god :) Speaking of clever obfuscation, has anybody here actually read Dianetics? I swear: there are scores of plain, blunt words used as special Scientologist jargon -- none of which is given an adequate definition -- and the book is littered with footnotes defining "hard words" like prefrontal lobes arthritis sinusitis bursitis diabetes vacillate ...and then slowly throughout the book, L Ron Hoover starts slipping in L Ron Hoover's First Church of Appliantology Nomenclature(tm) -- all of which are defined in terms of each other. It's a fascinating tangled web of stupidity, written in a plain, easy to read form. And it makes a great gift, too! -- pohl@screaming.org |"Reality is that which when you stop believing http://screaming.org/ | in it doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick ----------------------+---------------------------------------------- OpenStep Inferno Java | Making the world safe for platform diversity.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 06:39:11 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5ejfuf$ae2@news4.digex.net> References: <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> <AF3219BD-76C68@198.68.42.250> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: Monolithicism, on the > other hand, does. Webster's 3rd New International Dictionary: > Monolithicism -the state of being monolithic. In the states, the authority is likely to be the 9th or newer version. -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: 21 Feb 1997 04:21:01 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5ej7rd$87k@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> Cc: humanist@interport.net In <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> Michael Howard wrote: > How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a > used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any > new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? > I know on NT you need a processor-specific version of your software. > All this shareware for downloading... what version is it? "All > versions?" > ------------------- In the archives (e.g. ftp://ftp.evolution.com/pub/next/, ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next) look for files with of the form "New.app.N.tar.gz" or "New.app.NI.tar.gz" or "New.app.NIHS.tar.gz". The "N" means NeXT hardware. NeXT uses a Multi-architecture binary that the NEXTSTEP operating system knows how to deal with. Basically, as I understand it, the executable files contains several sections: 1. one that is readable by all architectures identifying which architectures are supported in the executable; 2. the binaries for each supported architecture 3. the architecture-independent resources needed by the application---graphics, the *.nib data, etc. So, only section 2. varies between different compilations. When the app comes as a package, the Installer can liposuction the unwanted parts of 2. There is also an app called "lipo" that does this. -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ =======================================================================
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 22:30:07 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF328494-208653@206.165.42.206> References: <jcr.856487960@idiom.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John C. Randolph <jcr@idiom.com> queried: >>Monolithicism -the state of being monolithic. > >Well, the thirty-day killfile entry expired, and what do I see right away? >An article by Lawson, demonstrating once again, that he has far more time >on his hands than I do. > >-jcr > >PS: So, Lawson: Any luck on the GX advocacy fight? So, John, how's the Gratituous Insult business? I mean, if you don't have enough time look up a word in a dictionary, but DO have enough time to flame me, I gotta assume that yours was a work-related post, right? --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: bk.ismc-gmbh@t-online.de (Dr. Bertram Karch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTprinter on Windows-PC Date: 18 Feb 1997 11:49:51 GMT Organization: ISMC GmbH Message-ID: <5ec50v$vga@news00.btx.dtag.de> References: <5dro2r$fcq@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have problems connecting a nextstep colorprinter (CANON BJC 820) to a windows (NT 4.0 or W95) PC. The hardware is recognized, but if I print the testpage only trash characters are printed. Has someone experience with nextstep printers on windows ? ISMC GmbH Dr. Bertram Karch Im Ermlisgrund 20-24 D-76337 Waldbronn Tel. : 07243/5681-25 Fax : 07243/568122 Email: bk.ismc-gmbh@t-online.de
From: humanist@interport.net (Michael Howard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 01:39:25 GMT Organization: Humanist Movement Message-ID: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? I know on NT you need a processor-specific version of your software. All this shareware for downloading... what version is it? "All versions?" ------------------- Michael Howard - humanist@interport.net PC/Mac technical support Tutoring and english/computerese translation/interpreting Humanist world revolutionary
From: rsjoh@aol.com (Rsjoh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why won't my Color Turbo Station power down Date: 20 Feb 1997 01:28:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970220012801.UAA09770@ladder02.news.aol.com> References: <5ed479$ctm@mozart.jlc.net> It would be helpful in diagnosing the problem if you could tell me/us things like how old the machine is, what hardware it has, what software you have, if the problem happens no matter what software your using or if it only does it from a particular piece of software, if your hooked up to a network, etc., etc. Scott Johnson
From: sieg@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Arne Sieg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: 21 Feb 1997 21:42:19 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Distribution: world Message-ID: <5el4rr$kjm@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> Keywords: binary intel/motorola/sparc/hp Michael Howard writes > How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a > used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any > new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? Programs are shipped as "fat-binary". Your platform chooses the right binary. Have a look at http://www.peanuts.org/ There you see ...NIHS... in the filename, which means Next Intel HP-PA Sparc! So this program is compiled quad-fat. > I know on NT you need a processor-specific version of your software. > All this shareware for downloading... what version is it? "All > versions?" -- Arne Sieg, StuMi-Sysadmin-PST (E10, E3, E0.6) URL: http://www.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~sieg/
From: jm041536@fhda.edu (Joaquin Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 19:08:01 GMT Organization: De Anza College Message-ID: <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > > Unless I've _greatly_ misread a variety of papers, microkernels are > coming into their own because we are asking entirely too much of our > monolithic kernels. The amount of effort it takes to add something > new to your monolithic kernel is often so great that you never get > around to it - and thus a microkernel can be more efficient in the > end. In essence, using a microkernel lets you get to a better design > for the system faster than a monolithic kernel, so it wins in the end. > > This is similar to the differences between object programming and > structured programming. Any given system _can_ be written in either. > And if you write a given system using the same design in either, the > structured version will generally be more efficient, because it > doesn't have the object version's overhead. The fly in the ointment > is that the structured version generally will never be written that > way, though, because it doesn't help you manage complexity well > enough. Object languages win in the end because though they might not > be faster for a given design, they let you modify the design more > easily. > This is very well said. That was my orginal concern about the decision about using a monolithic kernel from NeXTSTEP (OPENSTEP for Mach). I think technically this is a mistake. It may be outrageous to say this, but I think NuKernel of Copland is a better choice as it combines the best of Apple with the best of NeXT (OPENSTEP). Playing devil's advocate: For the business side, this could be the correct decision. Apple needs to ship a developement system hosting NeXT for developers. This needs to be done as soon as possible. Afterwards, the kernel may have more features, but the monolithic kernel was probaly chosen in order to have a little risks and be able to meet deadlines. This is a sound decision. Afterwards, there is no reason, Apple could upgrade their monolithic kernel (Mach 2.5++) to that of a better kernel like good microkernel and/or a distributed cluster based kernel to the highend publishing, server, and rendering markets. Just my thoughts. joaquin -- ############################################################### # My opinions are my own and not of any I work for. # ############################################################### # WARNING: DO NOT send unwarranted mail or SPAMS! Further # # proceedings of sending unwarranted email or spams will # # result in fines up to $1000 in damages. # ###############################################################
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 12:06:49 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.856555295@idiom.com> References: <jcr.856487960@idiom.com> <AF328494-208653@206.165.42.206> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> writes: >So, John, how's the Gratituous Insult business? Pretty good. I can always count on getting a reaction out of you! Still, I'm keeping the day job. >I mean, if you don't have enough time look up a word in a dictionary, but >DO have enough time to flame me, I gotta assume that yours was a >work-related post, right? And, if you think you've been flamed by me, then I can only surmise that you're not very experienced at net.flamage. -jcr
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HELP: Network NeXT to a Dell Pentium PC Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:53:58 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <An3_jK_00iWQI8c6dE@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <5eghd7$jg8@composer.inav.net> In-Reply-To: <5eghd7$jg8@composer.inav.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 20-Feb-97 HELP: Network NeXT to a De.. by lebmjb@juno.com > How can we network a NeXT computer to a Dell Pentium computer? I need to > know the actual physical hook-up, ie; network cards, cables, etc. First, you've got a choice between 10-Base-2 and 10-Base-T ethernet. The first is composed of shielded RG-58/U cable (also known "thin" ethernet) which looks much like VCR cabling, and involves T-shaped BNC connectors and needs 50-ohm terminators at the ends of the cabling; the other uses what's essentially high-grade unshielded phone wiring in a star topology (category 5 or better, IIRC) and a RJ-45 connector that resembles an oversized phone jack. The NeXT machine has both connectors, so you can choose either one. For the PC, you'll need to get a network card; Intel's EtherExpress line is inexpensive and offers good performance and I've heard very few complaints. Again, you'll probably end up with a card which offers both a BNC and a RJ-45 connector. Thin ethernet is cheaper, but somewhat less reliable for large installations; 10-base-T requires a star topology which is more reliable but also means you'll need to get hubs which cost some bucks-- ~$120 or so for a decent 8-port hub. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 20 Feb 1997 17:21:57 -0800 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <jcr.856487960@idiom.com> References: <5eidi8$9nt@news3.digex.net> <AF3219BD-76C68@198.68.42.250> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> writes: >John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: >>jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) wrote: >>> You're going to be a Lawyer! You should know that the correct >>> word isn't"Monolithicness", it's "monolithicity!" >> >>Actually, neither show up in websters. >Monolithicism, on the other hand, does. Webster's 3rd New International >Dictionary: >Monolithicism -the state of being monolithic. Well, the thirty-day killfile entry expired, and what do I see right away? An article by Lawson, demonstrating once again, that he has far more time on his hands than I do. -jcr PS: So, Lawson: Any luck on the GX advocacy fight?
From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:36:01 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University Message-ID: <j-norstad-2102972036010001@legume186142.nuts.nwu.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > NuKernel should have been scrapped before > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. To pick a nit, this has nothing to do with NuKernel, but with the higher levels of Copland. I'd rephrase your statement: *Copland* should have been scrapped .... what you said. NuKernel was actually a pretty nice kernel, at least as far as I could tell from the white paper released way back in 1995. It was the rest of Copland that sucked, specifically the crazy requirement that any task which drew in a window or interacted with the user had to live in the blue box, and hence could not benefit from preemptive scheduling or protected memory, which in turn led to the even crazier notion that apps would be factored into "server" and "UI" tasks which communicated via Apple events. Yuck. Rhapsody is a much better idea. I think Rhapsody as OpenStep on NuKernel would have been just fine, but would have taken longer to develop than Rhapsody as OpenStep on Mach. This time to market factor is why Mach was chosen, I believe. Due to ignorance, I have no opinion on the relative purely technical merits of Mach vs. NuKernel. -- John Norstad <mailto:j-norstad@nwu.edu> <http://charlotte.acns.nwu.edu/jln/>
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 08:13:08 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> Cc: tokarek@students.uiuc.edu In <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> it appeared that Ryan Tokarek wrote: > On 22 Feb 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > > > In <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> it appeared that Joaquin > > Menchaca wrote: > > > In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott > > > Hess) wrote: > > > > > <snip> > > > This is very well said. That was my original concern about the decision > > > about using a monolithic kernel from NeXTSTEP (OPENSTEP for Mach). I > > > think technically this is a mistake. It may be outrageous to say this, > > > but I think NuKernel of Copland is a better choice as it combines the best > > > of Apple with the best of NeXT (OPENSTEP). > > > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > No, no. You haven't a clue. > > _Every_ process was to be protected under Copland with NuKernel. The > collection of tasks that ran as one large task (the compatibility box) and > was run internally with cooperative multitasking was protected (CMT > because of the continued use of a non-reentran GUI). No OS task nor any > other task could read from or write to anything in the compatibility box. [munch] > You were mistaken. Although you are technically correct in the strictest sense, when you say that every process would have had protected memory, you offer a misleading claim about the worthiness of Copland and the NuKernel, and fail to acknowledge the ugly truth: Copland would have forced <ALL> ordinary user applications, even brand spanking new ones for MacOS 8, to reside in the same memory space. Only apps specially written could get their own memory space, and the only apps eligible for such special treatment were those without a GUI. Who thought that was a good idea? Who in the hell thought <that> was a good idea? I don't even know <who> thought <that> was a good idea. Although I am perhaps guilty of being a bit inflammatory, I am nonetheless right. You are defending the (indefensible) technological equivalent of Windows 95, which as you probably know is a horrible, unstable, hunk of junk. Copland would have been just like it. I am *sooo* glad that usenet is not deciding the architecture of Rhapsody. Popular vote in Mac.advocacy would have picked: <> NuKernel <> Punt UNIX (in favor of what? nobody ever said) <> MacOS GUI (long may it wither) <> GX (punt DPS) <> Open Transport <> The MacOS filesystem Now, this looks like Pink/Taligent/Copland, to me: Over 5 years. Nearly 1/2 a billion dollars. Still no OS. In the meantime, NeXT delivered to market several iterations of a rock-solid modern operating system, and premier developer tools, which had all the features that both Apple and Microsoft failed to produce. Apple has finally caught a bout of the clue, in buying NeXT and making good use of the NeXT technology & talent. I only wish they had merged two years ago. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 07:04:21 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5em5pl$3eu@news.platinum.com> References: <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <AF3392D0-8B354@198.68.42.175> Cc: english@primenet.com In <AF3392D0-8B354@198.68.42.175> it appeared that "Lawson English" wrote: > Gary W. Longsine <gary-nospam-@screaming.org> said: >> > >Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > >a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for > certain, > >"special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > No, only "special" processes would NOT be protected: those that were > sitting in the Blue Box. Bzzzt! Thank you for playing, Contestant Two! Tell him about the consolation prize, Bob! Our second contestant will receive, as consolation for playing, and losing, "You Bet Your Mission Critical Custom Application" -- two quotations! These bits of knowledge hail from chapter 3, (Address Spaces and Memory Protection), of the detailed, well-written, Copland-friendly and authoritative description of the mercifully killed Copland project -- "MacOS 8 Revealed: A Technical Tour of the New Mac OS", published by Apple Press, written by Tony Francis... " Our contestant will also be given a small box, with an ant in it, and some left-over pizza that we have back-stage... "MacOS 8 assigns all cooperative programs to a shared address space. [...] These applications, by the way, are cooperative programs because they present a human interface." and later in the chapter... "If you're a developer, you can begin preparing to take advantage of multiple address spaces by determining whether some portion of your product benefits from the extra protection afforded by a separate address space. If so, you should plan to implement this portion as a server program." The dirty little secret of MacOS 8 was that, under Copland's NuKernel, [x] All ordinary applications (not just System 7 apps), by default, run in what we now think of as the "Blue Box" -- a single address space, where they are free to trample each other. [x] All applications with a GUI interface <MUST> swim in the community memory pool. [x] As a developer, you must go out of your way to design server processes for applications that, "could benefit" from protected memory [x] Even Windows NT has a better memory protection architecture than that I stand by my proposition that, were I the highly paid Sr. VP at Apple in charge of Copland, sitting in a room with a bunch of engineers who described this kind of architecture to me, as the foundation of our new <modern> OS, I would have fired the idiots on the spot. I normally don't get quite this harsh, but really folks, there is not much room for argument here. Copland, kernel and all, was fundamentally mis-architected, and even if there exist interesting ideas in the project, it is very doubtful that any of the actual code will ever be of use to anyone writing a modern OS. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: fucuco@hamlet.net (Good Friend) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:30:13 GMT Message-ID: <cancel.330d7930.6000913@news.uoknor.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <330d7930.6000913@news.uoknor.edu> Control: cancel <330d7930.6000913@news.uoknor.edu> Organization: Usenet Canal Historique ECP/EMP aka SPAM or pyramidal scheme (MMF) cancelled by bofh@keltia.freenix.fr It may also be an image too small for newsbot to be activated. See report in news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins. Date: Fri Feb 21 15:14:41 1997 Original subject was: Learn to Make $$$FAST CASH$$$ With Honest Work
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 10:01:15 -0600 From: PhenixPhir@aol.com Subject: found '040 nextstep pizzabox need help Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <856626940.21138@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service found '040 nextstep pizzabox for $200 with monitor and stuff but the person who donated it did not leave a password or forgot it what do i do intall the system again and if so where do i get a copy of the system Replay at PhenixPhir@aol.com Thanx Phoenix Phyre -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 14:35:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF33668D-114FF@198.68.42.182> References: <5ejfuf$ae2@news4.digex.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: [on my citing Webster's 3rd International] >In the states, the authority is likely to be the 9th or newer >version. yar, but I picked up the entire 3 volume set for $25, so I'm willing to put up with a few obsolete definitions... --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:56:20 -0600 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> On 22 Feb 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > it appeared that Ryan Tokarek wrote: > > On 22 Feb 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > > > > > it appeared that Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > > > > shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for > > > certain, "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > > > > No, no. You haven't a clue. > > > > _Every_ process was to be protected under Copland with NuKernel. The > > collection of tasks that ran as one large task (the compatibility box) and > > was run internally with cooperative multitasking was protected (CMT > > because of the continued use of a non-reentran GUI). No OS task nor any > > other task could read from or write to anything in the compatibility box. > > [munch] > > > You were mistaken. > > Although you are technically correct in the strictest sense, when you say > that every process would have had protected memory, you offer a misleading > claim about the worthiness of Copland and the NuKernel, and fail to > acknowledge the ugly truth: I was not defending Copland, but NuKernel. > Copland would have forced <ALL> ordinary user applications, even brand > spanking new ones for MacOS 8, to reside in the same memory space. Only apps > specially written could get their own memory space, and the only apps > eligible for such special treatment were those without a GUI. That's what I said... it looks like you only read my first paragraph and ignored (and cut out) the rest. <snip rant> > Although I am perhaps guilty of being a bit inflammatory, I am nonetheless > right. No, you are fundamentally wrong. Had you actually read my full post, you would have seen that. You are correct that Copland put all applications that required use of the GUI in a single shared memory space, but to the kernel that was just to be a single process (task... whatever). Internal to the compatibility box, there was a scheduler that decided which task (internal to the compatibility box mind you) would be next to take processor time. This had nothing to do with NuKernel. The compatibility box task was to have the third highest priority (below real time and below certain OS tasks) for preemptive scheduling with other tasks. The compatability box ***was protected from other tasks***. It was one segment of protected memory. Is this getting clearer? The issue with "partial protected memory" in Copland was not due to a kernel limitation. It was an inherant design limitation due to the fact that Apple wanted to retain it's non-reentrant GUI and a shared adddress space for applications that made use of it. Apple could have used any kernel for Copland. They could have used Mach 2.5 They decided to write their own kernel (NuKernel). That there is an arguement over this is because _you_ do not understand what was supposed to be happening. You are mistaken. > You are defending the (indefensible) technological equivalent of > Windows 95, which as you probably know is a horrible, unstable, hunk of junk. > Copland would have been just like it. I am *sooo* glad that usenet is not > deciding the architecture of Rhapsody. Read my words, and understand. I AM NOT DEFENDING COPLAND!!!!!!!!! The technical issues with using NuKernel for Rhapsody are not what you think they are. You have misunderstood a fundamental concept here. > Popular vote in Mac.advocacy would have picked: > > <> NuKernel There _are_ technical reasons not to use NuKernel, but they aren't the ones you think they are. > <> Punt UNIX (in favor of what? nobody ever said) No, don't get rid of Unix entirely. Make it so that it's availlable, but not necessary. <small snip> > <> Open Transport What's wrong with OpenTransport? Do you understand its primary purpose? > <> The MacOS filesystem Only to retain backward compatibility. I don't mind if Rhapsody uses some other file system, but I want to be able to see my HFS formated partitions and disks as well. Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abosse@midway.uchicago.edu (arno bosse) Subject: 4.2 User - release date? Message-ID: <E60n01.1r4@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: The University of Chicago Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:52:48 GMT Now that the 4.2 Dev. PR1 release notes have been posted, I wonder if anyone has heard something about the release date. I'm really not all that interested in features/improvements - its just that I don't want to have to justify the purchase of two academic bundles within a few months of each other (4.1 now, 4.2 in the summer (?)). $600 (two bundles) may not sound like a lot to those of you who don't have the option of buying academic - but at a time when anything that has a whiff of...say, "golden delicious" causes mild hysteria amongst the "powers that be" in higher -education, one has to careful. Wouldn't want to be stuck with the knowledge of good and evil, now would we? ;-) arno
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 17:43:11 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <AF3392D0-8B354@198.68.42.175> References: <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.machten, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.unix.osf.misc, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.mach, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary W. Longsine <gary-nospam-@screaming.org> said: > >Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before >a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, >"special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > No, only "special" processes would NOT be protected: those that were sitting in the Blue Box. --------------------------------------------------- Apple is a company, but Macintosh is a community. -S.M. King ---------------------------------------------------
From: Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:40:30 -0600 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> On 22 Feb 1997, Gary W. Longsine wrote: > In <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> it appeared that Joaquin > Menchaca wrote: > > In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott > > Hess) wrote: > > > > > <snip> > > This is very well said. That was my original concern about the decision > > about using a monolithic kernel from NeXTSTEP (OPENSTEP for Mach). I > > think technically this is a mistake. It may be outrageous to say this, > > but I think NuKernel of Copland is a better choice as it combines the best > > of Apple with the best of NeXT (OPENSTEP). > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. No, no. You haven't a clue. _Every_ process was to be protected under Copland with NuKernel. The collection of tasks that ran as one large task (the compatibility box) and was run internally with cooperative multitasking was protected (CMT because of the continued use of a non-reentran GUI). No OS task nor any other task could read from or write to anything in the compatibility box. (The plan for Copland was to be much like Windows95... it was to be an interim OS to get users up to a level so that a major OS transition could take place with a relative minimum of fuss that the user would have to go through... their goal was too hard to implement in a timely fashion it seems.) Because Apple wished to retain backwards compatibility with System 7 applications, because Apple didn't want to make the GUI reentrant at the time, and because older apps expected a flat memory model, Apple decided to go with a compatibility box. This was to be one large segment of protected memory that ran the GUI and applications that required the use of the GUI (System 7 and the main portions of Mac OS 8 apps). The tasks running inside the compatibility box were to have very limited memory protection from each other (all code would have been protected). This was because, to the kernel, the compatibility box was just one task, one segment of protected memory. NuKernel had full protected memory with preemptive multitasking and SMP for all tasks. People only call it partial protected memory and PMT because of issues with the internals of the compatibility box. I'm not really defending Apple. They fiddled and diddled with Copland too long, but their problems were not with the kernel... they had problems implementing backwards compatibility in that fashion. As far as I know, there was nothing in particular that was wrong with NuKernel (except prehaps that it wasn't as well tested like Mach 2.5 has been). You were mistaken. Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu>
From: allman@pat.mdc.com (Mark Allman ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: (Repost) Shared object libraries (rld) using OpenStep 4.1 Date: 21 Feb 1997 23:07:38 GMT Organization: McDonnell Douglas, Houston Division Message-ID: <5el9rq$21v@cisu2.jsc.nasa.gov> References: <5ef797$m78@cisu2.jsc.nasa.gov> OpenStep 4.1 for Mach question: Some C code I'm compiling and putting into a shared object library (via ld -r) for later dynamic loading (using rld) is now refusing to be loaded. I've begged and pleaded, but to no avail. The error I'm now getting is something like "cannot use rld with dynamic shared libraries." Since all the "standard" libraries (e.g., libsys_s.dylib) are now dynamic shared libraries, are the rld routines no longer usable? I can switch to use dyld routines and use libtool--is this what I should do? Can someone point to some documentation (man pages aren't telling the complete story) that discusses rld routines under OpenStep 4.1? Also, I noticed that we can no longer build static executables, since there are no static "standard" libraries. Try compiling the "Hello, world" program using the -static compile/link switch. -- Mark Allman -- Sr. Engineer, McDonnell Douglas Aerospace, allman@pat.mdc.com -- Software consulting (Perl, C, Python, ...), ghost@ghost.neosoft.com -- (see: http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/5857.html)
From: "Christian Jensen" <chrsjensen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS 3.3 install problem. Date: 22 Feb 1997 20:08:15 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <01bc20fb$e541b4e0$85c992cf@default> NeXT gurus-- I am trying to install NS 3.3 on my Intel computer for the first time and have run into the following snag. Since I am new to NS, I may be overlooking something simple. The install goes fine until I load the SCSI adapter and HD controller drivers. No matter which I choose, when NS attempts to start after loading the drivers I get the following messages: (...a variety of normal, non-error messages, followed by...) Adaptec 2940: Can't get Configspace; ABORTING Registering: event0 Registering kmDevice0 No SCSI controller or CD-ROM device found use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d, en%d, or tr%d root device? Anything I type here gives me a "system panic" message. I then must reboot. I have an Adaptec 2940UW SCSI interface on my system, and according to my Win95 device manager my SCSI adapter is an Adaptec AIC 7880 PCI SCSI controller, and my HD controller is an Intel PIIX PCI IDE controller. I have a TEAC 6x SCSI CD-ROM drive. Judging by what I read on the NeXTAnswers page about the Adaptec 2940 driver included in the Drivers diskette, it should work. However, it doesn't. Any suggestions? Thanks for any help you can provide. --Chris Jensen
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 00:14:58 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> Cc: jm041536@fhda.edu In <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> it appeared that Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, shess@one.net (Scott > Hess) wrote: > > > > > Unless I've _greatly_ misread a variety of papers, microkernels are > > coming into their own because we are asking entirely too much of our > > monolithic kernels. The amount of effort it takes to add something > > new to your monolithic kernel is often so great that you never get > > around to it - and thus a microkernel can be more efficient in the > > end. In essence, using a microkernel lets you get to a better design > > for the system faster than a monolithic kernel, so it wins in the end. Which says nothing about the <size> of the kernel. What everyone seems to forget is that <size> isn't everything. Microkernels are best defined in terms of how the kernel design is abstracted -- not the size of the binary. If several different parts, properly abstracted, are compiled into the same binary, you really have a hybrid micro-monolith kernel -- which is what damned near every vendor is shipping today. Like NeXT, they are all using dynamically loaded device drivers, but the core OS server is compiled into the same binary with the microkernel. > This is very well said. That was my original concern about the decision > about using a monolithic kernel from NeXTSTEP (OPENSTEP for Mach). I > think technically this is a mistake. It may be outrageous to say this, > but I think NuKernel of Copland is a better choice as it combines the best > of Apple with the best of NeXT (OPENSTEP). Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: MaRK_BeSSeY@NeXT.CoM (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.3 install problem. Date: 23 Feb 1997 04:01:49 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5eoffd$fmo@news.next.com> References: <01bc20fb$e541b4e0$85c992cf@default> "Christian Jensen" <chrsjensen@worldnet.att.net> writes > The install goes fine until I load the SCSI adapter and HD controller > drivers. No matter which I choose, when NS attempts to start after > loading the drivers I get the following messages: > > (...a variety of normal, non-error messages, followed by...) > Adaptec 2940: Can't get Configspace; ABORTING > Registering: event0 > Registering kmDevice0 > No SCSI controller or CD-ROM device found > use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d, en%d, or tr%d > root device? Sometimes this message is a result of having a PCI card and an ISA card set to the same interrupt. You might need to change something in the CMOS setup to reserve an IRQ for the PCI device. -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<--
From: markeaton_@_mindspring_._com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:32:11 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. Whats really a crock of sh*t is when you make an off the cuff statement like that without really knowing whether its true or not. When you do that, you're no better than Lawson English... (FYI- NuKernel does not extend memory protection just to certain, "special" processes...) -Mark ---> markeaton_@_mindspring_._com
From: Gregory Pacholczyk <gpacho1@gl.umbc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: can't get prefferences to work Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 15:47:27 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Message-ID: <330F5B5F.9C8@gl.umbc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: unknown I run NS 3.2 on an 040 cube and i cant seem to get the preferences to work. whenever i click on the icon the drive spins for a few seconds and then nothing. this started when i installed ns 3.2. any ideas? -Greg
From: sugawara@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Why won't my Color Turbo Station power down Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 22 Feb 1997 08:20:42 GMT Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Message-ID: <5ema8q$5e8$1@news.sas.ab.ca> References: <5ed479$ctm@mozart.jlc.net> The Rev. James David Meacham (jmeacham@meacham.jlc.net) wrote: : I really do love my color turbo. Problem is, whenever I try to reboot : it or shut it down, it hangs, necessitating a break to the ROM : monitor, and a 'bsd' from there. I'd like to skip this,. Does any : know why it might do this? Thanks in advance. Peace, : James There may be a process which is refusing to die. You may try to find out if that is the case by verifying if it's a daemon process (system programs that waits for a specific event to occur on the NeXT) by powering up the machine, and trying to shut it down once the login box appears. If it does power down ok, you are probably using a program as a user which refuses to die. Otherwise, try powering up in single user mode, and then try to power down. It's been a while since I've done this, but I believe it's "bsd -s" off the ROM monitor. If you are able to power down at this point, there is a program being launched from an rc file (/etc/rc, /etc/rc.boot, /etc/rc.local) which is hanging. Try to log in remotely into your machine as root, and kill each root process except your login shell, from the largest PID to the smallest (because killing pid 1, which is the init process is a fast way of getting unix to reboot). Standard disclaimers apply. -- /**************************************************************************/ Masahiko (Sam) Sugawara email: sugawara@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HELP: Network NeXT to a Dell Pentium PC Date: 23 Feb 1997 00:16:20 GMT Organization: Posted via CAIS Internet <info@cais.com> Message-ID: <5eo28k$o6m@news2.cais.com> References: <5eghd7$jg8@composer.inav.net> <An3_jK_00iWQI8c6dE@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <An3_jK_00iWQI8c6dE@andrew.cmu.edu> [excellent answer deleted] Just a minor correction to Chuck's response. Only 68040 based NeXT hardware has both styles of Ethernet jacks. The original 68030 systems had 10-Base-2 only. Robert -- Robert La Ferla Registered OPENSTEP/Rhapsody Consultant HTI Boston, MA - Washington, DC + 1 (617) 252-0088
From: joegidi@aol.com (JoeGidi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help with station boot problem Date: 23 Feb 1997 00:55:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19970223005400.TAA11992@ladder02.news.aol.com> I have a NeXTstation 8/105, ADB, NS 3.0, and there seems to be a strange thing happening occasionally when I boot the machine. The system starts booting bsd, then a line (sometimes two) appears saying: sc: scintr program error the machine then starts up as normal. This doesn't affect the performance at all, I'm just curious what's going on. TIA, Joe Gidi
From: Kerry <bentonkr@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Newsgroups: comp.next.misc,comp.misc,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Apps. Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 04:01:12 -0600 Organization: Academic Computing and Information Services Message-ID: <330EC3E8.5AA5@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone out there have any idea if there is a web browser or any other cool stuff for the NeXT Box? It runs Mach 3.0. Thanks, Kerry
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Spot for another 040 chip in a cube for 2 processors Date: 22 Feb 1997 19:35:11 -0800 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5eodtf$7tn@slip.net> Hi, Does the standard mother board for a 040 25Mhz machine have a slot for an additional chip (procesor)? Is tweeking the OS required to get things set up? Thanks, Emmett
From: Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 23:37:34 -0600 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> On 22 Feb 1997, Michael Kagalenko wrote: > Ryan Tokarek (tokarek@students.uiuc.edu) wrote > ]<small snip> > ]> <> Open Transport > ] > ]What's wrong with OpenTransport? Do you understand its primary purpose? > > I don't. Perhpas, you could explain ? Is it yet another proprietary > standard ? As I understand it (and I do not know the details so people with more knowledge of OT step in here), OpenTransport provides a network-neutral API. Programs can use the various OT APIs to deal with networking, and they won't need to know which networking standard is being used (TCP/IP, IPX, AppleTalk, whatever). It adds a layer of abstraction that can be used to send infromation over any network with the app having to know the nature or details of the network. You can use OpenTransport to deal with specific details of a certain network protocol, but OpenTransport provides the tools to deal with any network (that OpenTransport is configured for) without the app having to know which one. Taking a look at the info on TCP for OpenTransport (in the Control Panel), it appears to be based on "Mentat Portable Streams" and "Mentat TCP"... if that's meaningful to you (it isn't to me). I don't know whether there is an equivalent in NeXTStep, but that's roughly what OpenTransport does. I don't know whether it would be advantageous to port it over to Rhapsody, but it it's the Mac's current networking API. > ]> <> The MacOS filesystem > ] > ]Only to retain backward compatibility. I don't mind if Rhapsody uses some > ]other file system, but I want to be able to see my HFS formated > ]partitions and disks as well. > > OPENSTEP/Mach 4.1 for intel can access Apple fs, so it seems that > Rhapsody will do it by default. Great! That's what I thought, but Gary's post seemed to imply otherwise. Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu>
From: Shimpei Yamashita <shimpei@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 23:48:58 -0800 Organization: Hummingbird Heaven Message-ID: <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) writes: > > In <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> it appeared > that Mark Eaton wrote: > > In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary > > W. Longsine) wrote: > > > > > > > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for > certain, > > > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > > > > Whats really a crock of sh*t is when you make an off the cuff statement > > like that without really knowing whether its true or not. When you do that, > > you're no better than Lawson English... > > That's a pretty low blow, especially since I've provided some pretty clear > documentation, from Copland-friendly sources, to back up my claim. It doesn't help when you misread documentations. You didn't read the white paper on the *microkernel*, did you? I have. > > (FYI- NuKernel does not extend memory protection just to certain, "special" > > processes...) > > Wrong. Plainly, clearly, demonstrably, incontestably wrong. Ordinary > Copland applications, even brand new ones written for the Copeland OS, are > <required> to share the same memory pool -- not just the legacy System 7 apps > (as is the case with the new Blue Box.) Yes, and irrelevant. What the Copland OS was or was not supposed to be capable of is not directly applicable to what NuKernel (which is just the *microkernel* handling process creation and scheduling; Copland was to be a lot more than just that!). NuKernel was perfectly capable of hosting a completely protected, preemmptively multitasking OS; indeed, Gershwin (the "advanced" version of Copland that never happened) was supposed to use NuKernel. Copland was not capable of protecting all processes, but that isn't the microkernel's problem. Ragging NuKernel for Copland's problem is like implementing MS-DOS on top of Mach and blaming Mach for the horrible attributes of DOS.... I'm inclined to agree, actually, that Copland's OS design was fundamentally flawed. I was willing to live with it for a while as a stopgap measure, but never as a semipermanent solution. Again, irrelevant for deciding on the merits of NuKernel. -- Shimpei Yamashita <http://www.cco.caltech.edu/%7Eshimpei/> (Note: Currently experimenting with a new newsreader (gnus). Apologies in advance for malformed or spurious posts or replies.)
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 20:53:23 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> Cc: markeaton_@_mindspring_._com In <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> it appeared that Mark Eaton wrote: > In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary > W. Longsine) wrote: > > > > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for certain, > > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. > > Whats really a crock of sh*t is when you make an off the cuff statement > like that without really knowing whether its true or not. When you do that, > you're no better than Lawson English... That's a pretty low blow, especially since I've provided some pretty clear documentation, from Copland-friendly sources, to back up my claim. > (FYI- NuKernel does not extend memory protection just to certain, "special" > processes...) Wrong. Plainly, clearly, demonstrably, incontestably wrong. Ordinary Copland applications, even brand new ones written for the Copeland OS, are <required> to share the same memory pool -- not just the legacy System 7 apps (as is the case with the new Blue Box.) COMEDY BREAK: Tai-Kwon-Leap Master: Who disrupts our meditation as a pebble disturbs the pond? Tai-Kwon-Leap Student: Ooh! ooh! Me! Ed Gruberman! I'm so shocked at the tremendous waste of resources that went into the backward architecture of Copland that I tend to emote on the topic -- sorry. I just don't understand why anyone would spend almost half a billion dollars, and over 5 years on OS research (Pink, Taligent, Copland) and fail to grok something so basic as a rational protected memory scheme. (I also don't understand why people are so infatuated with a research kernel (Copland's NuKernel) that's never seen the production light of day and doesn't offer an improvement over kernels that I've been using for years... but that's another topic.) Again, I suggest that you check out the Apple Press book on Copland. It was written by folks friendly to the Copland project, and states in clear, matter-of-fact language how the OS was to work. "MacOS 8 Revealed: A Technical Tour of the New Mac OS", Tony Francis, ISBN 0-201-47955-9, Apple Press, August 1996. In the strictest technical sense, perhaps I was too harsh on the poor, defenseless little NuKernel, which is after all, only a sequence of ones and zeros on a plastic platter. The NuKernel itself might (in theory) allow protected memory for any process, if you worked out the Copland-specific stuff. -- but using NuKernel as the core of the NeXT OS would take rather a lot of work, for really zero gain. Anyway, nobody has yet offered proof that my general claim is incorrect. The designers of Copland wandered very far down an expensive and pointless track. They should have had their leashes jerked back long, long ago. If they had presented me with such a kludge two years ago, after hundreds of millions of dollars and three years wasted on Pink and Taligent, I would have fired them as being fundamentally incompetent. Period. Copland + NuKernel = No protected memory for ordinary applications. Under Copland, developers must take special steps to arrange for protected memory for "applications that could benefit" from it. The first, and very, very special, step is that one must hack the user interface out of the app. That means that all the problems Mac users have with the average user apps taking down other apps would still exist in Copland, with the minor enhancement that your kernel would still be running after your entire workspace crashes. As a user of a UNIX based OS, I don't have this problem. If I'm mistaken about this, then I apologize, I've been misled by the Apple documentation on their own project. However, the literature and discussion seems to leave little room for doubt (I'm not the only person supporting this claim). So the NuKernel was better than anything ever to run on a Mac before. Big deal. It's really no better than several kernels which have been running <in production> for several years: NeXT MachOS, Solaris, AIX, Linux, Windows NT. All of those production operating systems have kernels which are at least as good as NuKernel, and some are probably better in certain respects. They all have the advantage of having been actually <used> in production environments, and survived through several new versions. Now what about kernels that are much better than NuKernel? I'd say you have to go look at other research kernels, probably the real-time ones like RTMach, and BeOS. Maybe the distributed things like Plan9 and Inferno. Copland is dead. Long live the new MacOS (MachOS). /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Michael Kagalenko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 1997 22:28:17 -0500 Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Message-ID: <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/html Ryan Tokarek (tokarek@students.uiuc.edu) wrote in article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> <pre><blink> ]<small snip> ]> <> Open Transport ] ]What's wrong with OpenTransport? Do you understand its primary purpose? I don't. Perhpas, you could explain ? Is it yet another proprietary standard ? ] ]> <> The MacOS filesystem ] ]Only to retain backward compatibility. I don't mind if Rhapsody uses some ]other file system, but I want to be able to see my HFS formated ]partitions and disks as well. OPENSTEP/Mach 4.1 for intel can access Apple fs, so it seems that Rhapsody will do it by default. -- ABILITY,n. The natural equipment to accomplish some small part of the meaner ambitions distinguishing able men from dead ones. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
From: Jonathan Hendry <jon@steeldriving.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 02:52:04 -0500 Organization: Steel Driving Software, Inc. Message-ID: <330FF724.6302@steeldriving.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary W. Longsine wrote: > Anyway, nobody has yet offered proof that my general claim is incorrect. The > designers of Copland wandered very far down an expensive and pointless track. > They should have had their leashes jerked back long, long ago. If they had > presented me with such a kludge two years ago, after hundreds of millions of > dollars and three years wasted on Pink and Taligent, I would have fired them > as being fundamentally incompetent. Period. > > Copland + NuKernel = No protected memory for ordinary applications. I think it's more like Copland GUI = No protected memory for ordinary applications. My understanding is that non-GUI processes would run with all the benefits of a modern OS. Daemon-style things, drivers, etc. would be fine. That's a pretty tiny minority of the software though. The limiting factor there was apparently the GUI. If the GUI had been separated out into its own process, like NeXT's WindowServer, this probably wouldn't be a problem. Warning: Bad analogy ahead. Copland sounds like a combination of WorkspaceManager.app and the WindowServer. Copland applications with GUIs would be like threads spawned off of this mutant Workspace - no protected memory. Since only one WindowServer can run at a time, only one instance of this mutant app could run at a time. Non-GUI programs wouldn't be affected by this limitation.
From: Pohl Longsine <pohl@screaming.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: cancel <330F33DC.79FD284E@screaming.org> Control: cancel <330F33DC.79FD284E@screaming.org> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:37:44 -0600 Organization: WaveFront Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <330F3CF8.7FF84FF5@screaming.org> References: <330F33DC.79FD284E@screaming.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.
From: altenber@acpub.duke.edu (Lee Altenberg) Newsgroups: comp.next.misc,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Apps. Date: 23 Feb 1997 04:02:00 GMT Organization: MHPCC Message-ID: <5eoffo$gin@kaopala.mhpcc.edu> References: <330EC3E8.5AA5@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Cc: bentonkr@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu In <330EC3E8.5AA5@goliath.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> Kerry wrote: > Does anyone out there have any idea if there is a web browser or any > other cool stuff for the NeXT Box? It runs Mach 3.0. > Thanks, > Kerry > Here are the main NeXT software archives: ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next ftp://ftp.evolution.com/pub/next/ To get OmniWeb, a great Web browser, go to http://www.omnigroup.com/ It's great to see someone at Vanderbilt interested in NEXTSTEP. I used the Macs in the public cluster and the OS/2 PCs in the Med library there last summer, and it was very hard to get anything serious done. The Mac is going to have a whole new life soon... -- ======================================================================= Lee Altenberg, Ph.D. Research Affiliate, University of Hawai`i at Manoa Office: Maui High Performance Computing Center 550 Lipoa Parkway, Suite 100 Kihei, Maui HI 96753 Phone: (808) 879-5077 x 296 (work), (808) 879-5018 (fax) E-mail: altenber@mhpcc.edu <MIME and NeXT Mail o.k.> Web: http://pueo.mhpcc.edu/~altenber/ =======================================================================
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: 18 Feb 1997 18:37:36 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <5ecstg$t67@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) wrote: > For the last several weeks, the main menus of two applications > I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are nowhere to be seen whenever > I start both applications. The menus remain hidden the whole > time I use these apps. The only way I am able to see the menu > is by using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke that > I perchance might have used that caused the main menus from both > apps to remain invisible? How do I get back these menus? They wouldn't have moved due to a keystroke. You'd have had to drag them to the new position. The quickest way to get them back might be to: quit Edit and Mesa. open a unix shell in Terminal.app Enter the commands: dremove Edit NXMenuLocations dremove Mesa NXMenuLocations quit Terminal.app See if Edit and Mesa work better. There are some GUI interfaces to the defaults database, so you wouldn't need to bother with the Unix window, but I don't remember what they are. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 23 Feb 1997 21:10:42 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eqboi$pfr@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970221201754.16688A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> <5em9qk$3eu@news.platinum.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> Cc: tokarek@students.uiuc.edu In <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> it appeared that Ryan Tokarek wrote: > On 22 Feb 1997, Michael Kagalenko wrote: [much] > > ]> <> The MacOS filesystem > > ] > > ]Only to retain backward compatibility. I don't mind if Rhapsody uses some > > ]other file system, but I want to be able to see my HFS formated > > ]partitions and disks as well. > > > > OPENSTEP/Mach 4.1 for intel can access Apple fs, so it seems that > > Rhapsody will do it by default. > > Great! That's what I thought, but Gary's post seemed to imply otherwise. I did mention something about this.. I think it was in another thread... where I said: ||> The MacOS filesystem will be supported by Rhapsody for dual-boot systems, but ||> it will not be the primary filesystem. The MacOS filesystem will, in time, ||> go the way of the Dodo. I didn't mention that NeXTSTEP already supports read/write/format of DOS and MacIntosh floppies, and read/write for DOS filesystems, so Rhapsody will probably offer something similar for PowerMac users. There area also third-party utilities which support several (over a dozen) filesystem types under NeXTSTEP/OpenStep. I think there is a free one (still being developed?) based on work done originally for Linux, and called "vmount" but I may be mistaken on the details here. This utility will probably be maintained, and I would expect that eventually you'll be able to read/write to Linux, MacOS, and BeOS filesystems from Rhapsody, on your quad-boot PowerMac... (MacOS support will be built-in, the others will probably be available from a free or inexpensive utility). pretty cool, eh? Intel users should be able to read/write to Linux, BeOS, NT, OS/2, and possibly other filesystem types as well, with a third-party utility of this type. Anyway, continued support for the MacOS filesystem will be a part of Rhapsody -- when running Rhapsody you will be able to read/write to your MacOS filesytem on a dual-boot machine. (Probably not the other way around, though.) /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 23 Feb 1997 22:13:28 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> Cc: shimpei@argo.patnet.caltech.edu In <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> it appeared that Shimpei Yamashita wrote: > gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) writes: [StuffGaryWrote munch]; In this week's exciting continuation of our story, Gary will say, "...NuKernel is the be-all and end-all of kernel design". And now, let's rejoin our story, already in progress... > It doesn't help when you misread documentations. You didn't read the > white paper on the *microkernel*, did you? I have. OK. I concede. And I'd love to read one, by the way. You wouldn't happen to have a URL handy, would you? The work I did read was oriented to the Copland MacOS8 as a whole, and so it seems likely that I incorrectly interpreted the ability of the bare NuKernel, due to excessive extrapolation from limited information. > Yes, and irrelevant. What the Copland OS was or was not supposed to be > capable of is not directly applicable to what NuKernel (which is just the > *microkernel* handling process creation and scheduling; Copland was to be > a lot more than just that!). NuKernel was perfectly capable of hosting a > completely protected, preemmptively multitasking OS; indeed, Gershwin (the > "advanced" version of Copland that never happened) was supposed to use > NuKernel. Copland was not capable of protecting all processes, but that > isn't the microkernel's problem. Ragging NuKernel for Copland's problem is > like implementing MS-DOS on top of Mach and blaming Mach for the horrible > attributes of DOS.... It also seems, given the years-long, never-ending research nature of the Apple OS project, almost as likely that the Gershwin version of the NuKernel (a gleam on a whiteboard?) would have required significant development beyond the Copland version of the kernel, in order to actually and for real, support a modern OS. NuKernel's suitability for a modern OS really is very dependant on how it was implemented, and how far along that implementation really was. I doubt that NuKernel is the be-all and end-all of kernel design, and I really doubt if the implementation was ready from prime-time. Did they cut any corners, because they knew it would be years before the hosted OS actually tried to use certain features? Probably not, from what you say. > I'm inclined to agree, actually, that Copland's OS design was > fundamentally flawed. I was willing to live with it for a while as > a stopgap measure, but never as a semipermanent solution. Again, > irrelevant for deciding on the merits of NuKernel. Now for the 5-year, 1/2 billion dollar question: If NuKernel design was abstracted correctly, and it was implemented well enough to host a modern OS complete with protected memory, etc., why, then, is the architecture of Copland so horribly broken that it can't offer protected memory to GUI applications, even though the kernel would allow it? Is it, as someone previously suggested, because of the "non-reentrant" MacOS-descended GUI? Hmm... if that really is the case, why is everyone so hot to have this GUI ported over to Rhapsody? To cripple Rhapsody, and drive the final nail in Apple's coffin? You see, I'm sure, that I'll be wearing an asbestos suit for quite a while, regardless of whether (as seems likely) new information will cause me to change my mind about exactly which parts of Copland were responsible for its horrible brokenness. 8^) /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: boshons@seanet .com(Boshon Sprague) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 23 Feb 1997 22:43:30 GMT Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Message-ID: <5eqh6i$bf7@q.seanet.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> Let me step out on a limb here and comment on the fact that we apparently have a large number of unemployed microkernel designers posting. I was at one of many next PR sessions where a (somewhat) noted OO jornalist tried to nail down a OS point with the Nexter doing the session, something like this: Press : I dont see the benfits in your presentation of the (mach) OS perfomace issue with object communication. Nexter : This is the best overall solution for 99% of the performance issuse. Press : You don't really understand what OS issues exist (outside of next (M$)) Next : What is your background in OS design? Press : None.... Nexter : I personnaly hold over 25 specific patents in OS design in my careeer before next, and i feel this is THE BEST system overall ever. Press : But how?.... Nexter : Must be the pretzels. once again, Listen to my words, dont worry we are going to get ALL of the good technology That can be stuffed into this new apple pie. Boshon
From: markeaton_@_mindspring_._com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 15:18:51 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <markeaton_-2302971518520001@ip124.santa-clara7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> In article <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > > And I'd love to read one, by the way. You wouldn't happen to have a URL > handy, would you? Hmm. I looked around on the OS Home page, <http://www.macos.apple.com/>, but I couldn't find it. (That is where I have read the white paper in the past.) > It also seems, given the years-long, never-ending research nature of the > Apple OS project, almost as likely that the Gershwin version of the NuKernel > (a gleam on a whiteboard?) would have required significant development beyond > the Copland version of the kernel, in order to actually and for real, support > a modern OS. NuKernel's suitability for a modern OS really is very dependant > on how it was implemented, and how far along that implementation really was. > I doubt that NuKernel is the be-all and end-all of kernel design, and I > really doubt if the implementation was ready from prime-time. Did they cut > any corners, because they knew it would be years before the hosted OS > actually tried to use certain features? Probably not, from what you say. > Gary, its maddening trying to carry on an amicable conversation with someone when they go out of their way to be adversarial. Thats the main reason Lawson is in my killfile. > Now for the 5-year, 1/2 billion dollar question: If NuKernel design was > abstracted correctly, and it was implemented well enough to host a modern OS > complete with protected memory, etc., why, then, is the architecture of > Copland so horribly broken that it can't offer protected memory to GUI > applications, even though the kernel would allow it? Because there exist companies like Microsoft. That base their top-selling Office software on OLE for Macintosh. OLE peeks into the heaps of other processes. It does stuff like walk the (private) window lists of those processes. It modifies the (private, read-only) visible and clipping structures of those processes. It pokes holes in their clipping structures. All so OLE client processes can draw content that looks 'embedded' in the fore-process. And Copland's goal was to run all that crap and provade as many buzz-word OS features as possible to those apps. Thats the main reason it failed. > Is it, as someone previously suggested, because of the "non-reentrant" > MacOS-descended GUI? Hmm... if that really is the case, why is everyone so > hot to have this GUI ported over to Rhapsody? To cripple Rhapsody, and drive > the final nail in Apple's coffin? Copland failed for a number of reasons. None of them related to NuKernel. As far as the GUI goes, you can't really be so naiive, can you? A GUI is just a pattern of bits on-screen. 'Porting' the Mac GUI really means using whatever graphics API Rhapsody ends up using to draw windows, controls, etc. according the the Apple advanced look-n-feel. Or, hopefully, abstracting the look-n-feel into an Appearance Manager so that it is more flexible. In either case, the look of the GUI has nothing to do with the kernel, the re-entrancy of the graphics system, memory protection, or anything else brought up in this thread. And a nail in Apple's coffin? Oh please... Get a clue and cut the FUD... > > You see, I'm sure, that I'll be wearing an asbestos suit for quite a while, > regardless of whether (as seems likely) new information will cause me to > change my mind about exactly which parts of Copland were responsible for its > horrible brokenness. Uhh huh. You wouldn't get flamed so much if you toned your attitude down a notch... -Mark ---> markeaton_@_mindspring_._com
From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:27:33 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University Message-ID: <j-norstad-2302971727330001@legume186169.nuts.nwu.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> In article <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > Is it, as someone previously suggested, because of the "non-reentrant" > MacOS-descended GUI? Hmm... if that really is the case, why is everyone so > hot to have this GUI ported over to Rhapsody? To cripple Rhapsody, and drive > the final nail in Apple's coffin? In Rhapsody, the old non-reentrant MacOS GUI API and window drawing and display management architecture will only live in the "blue box" compatibilty part of the system, where unmodified old System 7 applications will run. In the "yellow box" part of Rhapsody, there will be an entirely different reentrant GUI API and window and display management architecture - NeXT's OpenStep application kit framework classes and display postcript. In Rhapsody, preemptively scheduled memory protected apps running in the yellow box will be able to draw on the screen and interact with the user. This wasn't the case in Copland. This is the big difference. The look and feel of Rhapsody's GUI is reportedly supposed to be Mac-like, with many improvements, including perhaps some from NeXTSTEP. This will all be based on top of the new OpenStep and display postcript model, however, not on top of the old System 7 APIs. None of this has anything do with the Mach vs. NuKernel issue. Make sense now? -- John Norstad <mailto:j-norstad@nwu.edu> <http://charlotte.acns.nwu.edu/jln/>
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 24 Feb 1997 00:22:04 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eqmvc$pfr@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-2302971518520001@ip124.santa-clara7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> Cc: markeaton_@_mindspring_._com In <markeaton_-2302971518520001@ip124.santa-clara7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> it appeared that Mark Eaton wrote: > > And I'd love to read one, by the way. You wouldn't happen to have a URL > > handy, would you? > > Hmm. I looked around on the OS Home page, <http://www.macos.apple.com/>, > but I couldn't find it. (That is where I have read the white paper in the > past.) Thanks for looking. > Gary, its maddening trying to carry on an amicable conversation with > someone when they go out of their way to be adversarial. Thats the main > reason Lawson is in my killfile. And thanks for being patient with me, Mark, I'll try to behave. I'm really *not* trying to compete with Lawson. I am simply flabbergasted at the sheer volume of anti-Mach FUD that gets spread here, much of it in the guise of, "The NuKernel was perfect, Apple is stupid for going with a ten year old kernel like Mach." As I'm sure you know, I've been patiently posting non-inflammatory, accurate, and helpful information, since the day of the merger, as to the merits of Mach (and other NeXT bits), and why Apple should adopt OpenStep, "lock, stock, and MachOS", as I've said several times, and they have now done. Last week, as an experiment, I decided to attack Copland and NuKernel head-on, in an effort to shake up the debate a little, and try to gain some ground. I read up in the best source I could find, and opened fire. The only bit I regret is the "crock of sh*t" line. That one really upset people, and I hereby apologize for the inflammatory nature of that remark. By and large, the remainder of my contributions on this topic have been civil, honest, and display a willingness to learn from the views expressed by others (like you) who are able to support their opinions with rational analysis and credible sources. And just in case you've misinterpreted my posts today as sarcasm, let me re-iterate that I have in fact conceded on the fundamental point of contention: It seems that the NuKernel itself probably isn't fundamentally flawed with respect to its handling of protected memory, as I originally claimed. This defect seems to have been introduced by other elements of Copland which lie outside NuKernel. Now, can't I have a little fun with the concession, too? I mean, it really doesn't change the fact that Copland's design is horribly broken... > > Now for the 5-year, 1/2 billion dollar question: If NuKernel design was > > abstracted correctly, and it was implemented well enough to host a modern OS > > complete with protected memory, etc., why, then, is the architecture of > > Copland so horribly broken that it can't offer protected memory to GUI > > applications, even though the kernel would allow it? > Because there exist companies like Microsoft. That base their top-selling > Office software on OLE for Macintosh. OLE peeks into the heaps of other > processes. It does stuff like walk the (private) window lists of those > processes. It modifies the (private, read-only) visible and clipping > structures of those processes. It pokes holes in their clipping > structures. All so OLE client processes can draw content that looks > 'embedded' in the fore-process. This really is a bummer, and I hadn't thought of the implications of the Office suite on the OS design. You are right, of course. Micro$oft, of course, could always decline to migrate the popular Office applications to a new MacOS which had a different architecture and didn't allow these awful things to happen to a process. That would be somewhat bad for Apple, possibly so bad even that Apple might have feared it would be world-ending. OpenStep has changed all that, though. Rhapsody might wind up producing applications that are so cool that nobody *cares* if Office is available on the PowerMac or not. And that, I'm sure, we all agree on. > > Is it, as someone previously suggested, because of the "non-reentrant" > > MacOS-descended GUI? Hmm... if that really is the case, why is everyone so > > hot to have this GUI ported over to Rhapsody? To cripple Rhapsody, and drive > > the final nail in Apple's coffin? > > Copland failed for a number of reasons. None of them related to NuKernel. > As far as the GUI goes, you can't really be so naive, can you? No, I'm not. I was just having fun with that one. Probably too much fun. Sorry. > A GUI is > just a pattern of bits on-screen. 'Porting' the Mac GUI really means using > whatever graphics API Rhapsody ends up using to draw windows, controls, > etc. according the the Apple advanced look-n-feel. Or, hopefully, > abstracting the look-n-feel into an Appearance Manager so that it is more > flexible. In either case, the look of the GUI has nothing to do with the > kernel, the re-entrancy of the graphics system, memory protection, or > anything else brought up in this thread. Yes, I think it's most likely that many of the advanced features from NeXT, Copland, and other Apple and NeXT research will be incorporated into a new Rhapsody GUI that is wonderful and happy. It will have so many compelling cool things that it will be attractive to MacOS, NeXTSTEP, OS/2, Windows and Windows95 users. That is the cool part of all this. We all get a modern OS with lots of cool new toys that isn't crushed under the M$ hegemony. I'm already planning to buy a PowerMac to run it on. I believe that Apple should be rewarded for doing the right thing (and mostly I loathe PCs.) Peace, /gary -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 23 Feb 1997 23:42:30 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5eqkl6$pfr@news.platinum.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> <5eqh6i$bf7@q.seanet.com> Cc: boshons@seanet .com Must be the pretzels... I'll have to remember that... ;^) /gary In <5eqh6i$bf7@q.seanet.com> it appeared that Boshon Sprague wrote: > Let me step out on a limb here and comment on the fact that we apparently > have a large number of unemployed microkernel designers posting. I was at one > of many next PR sessions where a (somewhat) noted OO jornalist tried to nail > down a OS point with the Nexter doing the session, something like this: > > Press : I dont see the benfits in your presentation of the (mach) OS > perfomace issue with object communication. > > Nexter : This is the best overall solution for 99% of the performance issuse. > > Press : You don't really understand what OS issues exist (outside of next > (M$)) > > Next : What is your background in OS design? > > Press : None.... > > Nexter : I personnaly hold over 25 specific patents in OS design in my > careeer before next, and i feel this is THE BEST system overall ever. > > Press : But how?.... > > Nexter : Must be the pretzels. > > > once again, Listen to my words, dont worry we are going to get ALL of the > good technology That can be stuffed into this new apple pie. > > Boshon > -- Gary W. Longsine, Systems Engineer | ____/| OpenStep, MachOS, PLATINUM Technologies, Inc. | \ o.O| Objective-C: l_o_n_gsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | =(_)= (Can i have his spam?) & MIME) |. U Elegance is Relevant.
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 22 Feb 97 21:24:56 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb22212456@howard.one.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> In-reply-to: gary-nospam-@screaming.org's message of 22 Feb 1997 00:14:58 GMT In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) writes: > In article <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net>, > shess@one.net (Scott Hess) wrote: > > Unless I've _greatly_ misread a variety of papers, microkernels > > are coming into their own because we are asking entirely too > > much of our monolithic kernels. The amount of effort it takes > > to add something new to your monolithic kernel is often so > > great that you never get around to it - and thus a microkernel > > can be more efficient in the end. In essence, using a > > microkernel lets you get to a better design for the system > > faster than a monolithic kernel, so it wins in the end. Which says nothing about the <size> of the kernel. What everyone seems to forget is that <size> isn't everything. Microkernels are best defined in terms of how the kernel design is abstracted -- not the size of the binary. If several different parts, properly abstracted, are compiled into the same binary, you really have a hybrid micro-monolith kernel -- which is what damned near every vendor is shipping today. Like NeXT, they are all using dynamically loaded device drivers, but the core OS server is compiled into the same binary with the microkernel. Actually, I'd argue size comes into play, too, if only indirectly. If the vendor does things in microkernel terms internally, but turns around and compiles everything into a monolithic kernel for the outside world, most of the functionality is lost, at least to the outside world. The power of a microkernel isn't so much that it lets the _vendor_ make changes easily, though that's nice. The power of microkernels should be that it lets outside programmers add their own pagers, filesystems, and whatnot, without having to do High And Mighty Black Magic to accomplish it. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: akac@mail.utexas.edu (Alex Kac) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:13:42 -0600 Organization: WI Message-ID: <akac-ya02408000R2302972113420001@newshost.cc.utexas.edu> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: : In <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> it appeared : that Mark Eaton wrote: : > In article <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary : > W. Longsine) wrote: : > : > > : > > Then you haven't got a clue. NuKernel should have been scrapped before : > > a single line of code was written. Protected memory, but only for : certain, : > > "special" processes? What a crock of sh*t. : > : > Whats really a crock of sh*t is when you make an off the cuff statement : > like that without really knowing whether its true or not. When you do that, : > you're no better than Lawson English... : : That's a pretty low blow, especially since I've provided some pretty clear : documentation, from Copland-friendly sources, to back up my claim. : : > (FYI- NuKernel does not extend memory protection just to certain, "special" : > processes...) : : Wrong. Plainly, clearly, demonstrably, incontestably wrong. Ordinary : Copland applications, even brand new ones written for the Copeland OS, are : <required> to share the same memory pool -- not just the legacy System 7 apps : (as is the case with the new Blue Box.) : : COMEDY BREAK: : Tai-Kwon-Leap Master: Who disrupts our meditation as a pebble disturbs the : pond? : Tai-Kwon-Leap Student: Ooh! ooh! Me! Ed Gruberman! : : I'm so shocked at the tremendous waste of resources that went into the : backward architecture of Copland that I tend to emote on the topic -- sorry. : : I just don't understand why anyone would spend almost half a billion dollars, : and over 5 years on OS research (Pink, Taligent, Copland) and fail to grok : something so basic as a rational protected memory scheme. (I also don't : understand why people are so infatuated with a research kernel (Copland's : NuKernel) that's never seen the production light of day and doesn't offer an : improvement over kernels that I've been using for years... but that's another : topic.) : : Again, I suggest that you check out the Apple Press book on Copland. It was : written by folks friendly to the Copland project, and states in clear, : matter-of-fact language how the OS was to work. : : "MacOS 8 Revealed: A Technical Tour of the New Mac OS", Tony Francis, ISBN : 0-201-47955-9, Apple Press, August 1996. : Sir, this book and ALL the claims about are about the OS in general. After reading all of your posts, you obviously do not know a kernel based OS works. The NuKernal supported protected memory, SMP, threads, and pre-emptive multitasking. That is the kernel. Now how the actual OS (it sits atop the kernel) uses that kernel is a different matter. Apple could have used the AIX kernel and still had the same problem. The reason? Because the actual OS only used what it needed from the kernel. It told the kernel, I am setting up a protected memory partition for ALL apps, one for servers, and one for networking/OS things. The kernel obeyed. It is like have a whole yard of wood, nails, metal girders, construction workers, and all the supplies to build a skyscraper and only using what you need to build a small house. The kernel did provide full protected memory to weild however the OS asked it to. It just so happened that the Copland OS was going to give applications no protection.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199702231957.OAA14110@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 258a42e290f605a9ca6136f10648f282 - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 14:57:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Spot for another 040 chip in a cube for 2 processors Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 258a42e290f605a9ca6136f10648f282 - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Original Date: 22 Feb 1997 19:35:11 -0800 Message-ID: 258a42e290f605a9ca6136f10648f282 - > Does the standard mother board for a 040 25Mhz > machine have a slot for an additional chip > (procesor)? > > Is tweeking the OS required to get things set > up? Some (all?) cubes had the ability to use an additional board (NeXTDimension) but to improve the processor speed you'd need to get one of two boards (Pyro for non-turbo, Nitro for turbo, I believe) which are not readily available any more. TjL -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! EMAIL ADDRESS: Please use the PEAK address and not the NERC one
From: robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Daydream: Recognizing External Disks ? Date: 23 Feb 1997 16:10:02 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <5epq4q$6b2@boursy.news.erols.com> Daydream Users: Hi. I'm trying, for the first time, to use a dedicated disk with DayDream, instead of just a disk file. Whatever I try, it never appears on the desktop. I've tried SCSI addresses 2,3, and 4. Note that the disk appears just fine in the NeXTstep workspace. Has anybody succeeded in using an external drive with DayDream? Is there some trick to it (other than enabling it in DayDream's SCSI preferences)? The disk is an old NeXTstep disk, which I reformatted to MacIntosh from the NeXTstep workspace. Do I need to format it on a real Mac? Should I be able to format it from within DayDream? Thanks for any help you can provide, Robert -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu
From: embuck@palmer.cca.rockwell.com (Erik M. Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Bring back List, HashTable classes and string datatype! Date: 23 Feb 1997 17:52:47 GMT Organization: Rockwell Avionics - Collins Message-ID: <5eq05f$grn@castor.cca.rockwell.com> References: <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> Cc: johnh@madcow.dircon.co.uk > I've put a fair amount of time into scoping the amount of work > involved in porting some real applications onto OpenStep only > to find that the common classes List, HashTable etc all gone > from the OpenStep spec. > > Arrrrgh! List and HashTable could be re-implemented or borrowed from GNUStep. The issue that probably sealed their fate was reference counting. I think the HashTable functions are still in OpenStep. You will need to manage your own reference counts. > These where useful, tightly written classes that surely would > not have been to much effort to port to OpenStep (even inheriting > from NSObject( but no, we are told we must use the impossible to > subclass NSMutableDictionary and NSArray class clusters. They are not exacly impossible to subclass. > While I'm at it lets keep strings as a data type rather than a class. > A char * can go along using dodgy features like a reference count at > (char *)string[-1]. EOF would be a good deal simpler and faster if > NSString hadn't been invented. Dates have loads of complex behaviour > and justify being a class strings are better kept as a datatype. Strings have loads of complex behavior and justify being a class. Of course, feel free to use char *s as much as you want. OpenStep is happy to accept char *s via [NSString stringWithCString:]. Just remember that OpenStep is based on reference counting. In NeXTstep, most of the string related methods HAD to copy their data to prevent memory errors. For example: when you used the -setTitle: method, you were often unnecessarily duplicating a string. Furthermore, when the string was something dynamic (like a file system path), more and more memory management issues came into play. If the string was distributed via DO, there were problems. The NSString class nicely encapsulates all of these issued and nearly eliminates all string related memory issues. NSStrings also provide an opportunity to use less overall memory by safely allowing immutable string sharing. Objective-C still has its roots in C. Nothing stops you from using char * or casting ints as pointers etc. It is just considered bad style (error prone!). Also "using dodgy features like a reference count at (char *)string[-1]" is extremely "dodgy!". This kind of game is exactly what encapsulation is meant to hide. How much memory should I allocate for a string intended for use by another object given your "spotty" reference count scheme ? What if I don't have access to the source code for the other objects ?
From: Ador Reodique <reodiqu@ibm.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.linux.networking Subject: Network NeXT and Linux: Please Help Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:11:45 -0700 Organization: At Javalina Dot Expresson Dot Org Message-ID: <33108861.23511B17@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am new to UNIX and networking, I need your help/recommend/advice... What I want to do: Network NeXT color station turbo and Linux x86. I want to network the two machines via ethernet so NeXT can use Linux resources (disks, tapes, modems, printers) and also connect to the internet when Linux is connected. Linux (2.0.28) connects to net via slip to my ISP (dynamic IP). Reading the networking HOWTO's, it seems possible by compiling firewalling and ip masquerading, but I am still a bit fuzzy...this is my first attempt at this :) At this point, I am still gathering some information, ie. 1. What ($30-40 range) ethernet card to buy for Linux that would work. I am looking at D-Link DE-220PCT PnP--any problem with this? How did you setup your system/kernel/driver for this if you have this card? 2. What configuration files did you modify in Linux, NeXT. Could you list it or please mail it to me? 3. If you have gone through this exercise before, specifically with the above configuration, please tell me how you did it. Thank you for your help. Ador
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Power Supply Replacement Date: 24 Feb 1997 07:23:25 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5erfld$a7t@agate.berkeley.edu> What's the name of the place in Hayward, CA where a guy like me can get a new power supply for my NeXT Turbo Station? IOW, what is the name of the company that took over Bell Atlantic's contract? And, is the only reason I've got to buy a power supply there so that it will fit inside the computer case? Why not any other power 'cheapo' power supply? :-) Any late nighters out there who can answer me by e-mail? I'd appreciate knowing since I'd like to handle this first thing tomorrow. How common is it for the power supply to fail in Black Stations? Thanks. (e-mail, please) John john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu
From: younghoon KIL <ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP News, Q&A Board written by Korean Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:12:45 +0900 Organization: KORNET Message-ID: <33114D5C.6732@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "NEXTSTEP News, Q&A Board written by Korean" If you know Korean language, following WWW site will help you to use NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP. http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai Also, You can write your questions and Korean NeXT friends will help you. Thanks, younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP Q&A & Info Board written by Korean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: emerald.liu physics.utoronto.ca!liu (Wei Liu) Subject: cut&paste across workspace Keywords: cut paste workspace Message-ID: <E6346K.Ir4@info.physics.utoronto.ca> Sender: news@info.physics.utoronto.ca (System Administrator) Organization: University of Toronto - Dept. of Physics Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 01:59:07 GMT Does anyone know how to cut and paste texts from remote applications to local ones? In more detail, I am displaying OmniWeb application on my local console from a remote server. And I want to cut and paste text info. to a local text editor. Thanks in advance. Wei
From: Piazza Talker 00000000 <piazza@soc.unl.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Spot for another 040 chip in a cube for 2 processors Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:51:07 +0000 Organization: Queen Mary & Westfield College, London, UK Message-ID: <3311648B.2E7B@soc.unl.ac.uk> References: 258a42e290f605a9ca6136f10648f282 - <199702231957.OAA14110@peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > > Does the standard mother board for a 040 25Mhz > > machine have a slot for an additional chip > > (procesor)? > Some (all?) cubes had the ability to use an additional board > (NeXTDimension) but to improve the processor speed you'd need to get > one of two boards (Pyro for non-turbo, Nitro for turbo, I believe) > which are not readily available any more. > > TjL Spherical Solutions at http://www.orb.com have Pyros... Pele -- Virtual Piazza telnet to zodiac.unl.ac.uk 3000 Talker based on nutsOO.2 by Predrag Balorda Admin team: Predrag Balorda,Hollie Keglovitz and Massimiliano Baki For more info please e-mail: piazza@zodiac.unl.ac.uk or piazza@soc.unl.ac.uk
From: ab@purdue.edu (Allen Braunsdorf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: 21 Feb 1997 16:03:55 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5ekh1b$ph7@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5eg9tc$atu@park.interport.net> humanist@interport.net (Michael Howard) wrote: >How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a >used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any >new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? Others have generally answered you about MABs, I'll add some more. NEXTSTEP 3.3 comes in two packages depending on which machine you get it for. One has the NeXT and Intel versions, the other has the HP and SPARC versions. The developer part of the relase (another CD) works on all four. In 4.1, the three (they don't do HP anymore) are all separate, I'm told. If you find old software on the archives, "MAB" might mean just NeXT and Intel. Ditto for commercial software. Mostly SPARC gets left out (because it's newest likely), which is trouble for me because that's what I do all my heavy work on. The latest version of Maple we have, for example, isn't compiled for SPARC (it was probably done under 3.2). If you have source for an old program, you can compile it yourself if you have a developer release. Depending on how old it is, it might need some work. Old binaries generally work (if compiled for your platform), but if you can find source, recompile them. I haven't tried running any really ancient software lately (and I've got lots of it- nova.cc.purdue.edu was on my desk when I worked at PUCC), but I wouldn't count on stuff from before 2.0 working on a machine running 3.x, and of course all of it is compiled black-only. :-) ab
From: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Power Supply Replacement Date: 24 Feb 1997 12:25:23 GMT Organization: [posted via] Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <5es1bj$pv@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <5erfld$a7t@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <5erfld$a7t@agate.berkeley.edu> john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) writes: > What's the name of the place in Hayward, CA where a guy like > me can get a new power supply for my NeXT Turbo Station? IOW, > what is the name of the company that took over Bell Atlantic's > contract? > > And, is the only reason I've got to buy a power supply there > so that it will fit inside the computer case? Why not any > other power 'cheapo' power supply? :-) > > Any late nighters out there who can answer me by e-mail? I'd > appreciate knowing since I'd like to handle this first thing > tomorrow. How common is it for the power supply to fail in > Black Stations? > > Thanks. (e-mail, please) > > John > john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu have a look at: http://www.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~heller/NeXT/power_supply.html hh -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail welcome_________________ FAX: +49-89-2394-4607 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: +49-89-2394-4565 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University | G i b D O S | Institute for Medical Optics, Theoretical Biophysics Group | k e i n e |
From: Erik Doernenburg <erik@object-factory.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Bring back List, HashTable classes and string datatype! Date: 24 Feb 1997 10:15:36 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Message-ID: <5erpo8$89j@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <5eagds$niv$1@newsserver.dircon.co.uk> <5eq05f$grn@castor.cca.rockwell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit embuck@palmer.cca.rockwell.com (Erik M. Buck) wrote: > > [...] > > While I'm at it lets keep strings as a data type rather than a class. > > A char * can go along using dodgy features like a reference count at > > (char *)string[-1]. EOF would be a good deal simpler and faster if > > NSString hadn't been invented. Dates have loads of complex behaviour > > and justify being a class strings are better kept as a datatype. > > Strings have loads of complex behavior and justify being a class. I can only second that. Just a simple example: Suppose you have a string which contains 50k characters. Say you want to insert 10 characters in the middle. How effeciently can you do that using C-Strings? Using a string class and some clever memory management you can do that in O(1) whithout even having to copy anything! Okay, this is just an example, but I can say that I've used NeXT's String and Data classes in a couple of projects involving biggish amounts of data and I was always positively suprised about the speed and the amount of optimisation that takes place behind the scenes. regards, erik -- Erik Dörnenburg OBJECT FACTORY Gesellschaft für Informatik und Datenverarbeitung mbH http://www.object-factory.com
From: doug@qnx.com (Doug Santry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 24 Feb 1997 09:23:30 -0500 Organization: QNX Software Systems Message-ID: <5es892$um@qnx.com> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222111455.24705D-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> <5eodgh$ors@lynx.dac.neu.edu> <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970222232011.23885A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>, Ryan Tokarek <tokarek@students.uiuc.edu> wrote: >On 22 Feb 1997, Michael Kagalenko wrote: > >> Ryan Tokarek (tokarek@students.uiuc.edu) wrote >> ]<small snip> >> ]> <> Open Transport >> ] >> ]What's wrong with OpenTransport? Do you understand its primary purpose? >> >> I don't. Perhpas, you could explain ? Is it yet another proprietary >> standard ? > >As I understand it (and I do not know the details so people with more >knowledge of OT step in here), OpenTransport provides a network-neutral >API. Programs can use the various OT APIs to deal with networking, and >they won't need to know which networking standard is being used (TCP/IP, >IPX, AppleTalk, whatever). It adds a layer of abstraction that can be >used to send infromation over any network with the app having to know >the nature or details of the network. > >You can use OpenTransport to deal with specific details of a certain >network protocol, but OpenTransport provides the tools to deal with any >network (that OpenTransport is configured for) without the app having to >know which one. > >Taking a look at the info on TCP for OpenTransport (in the Control >Panel), it appears to be based on "Mentat Portable Streams" and >"Mentat TCP"... if that's meaningful to you (it isn't to me). > >I don't know whether there is an equivalent in NeXTStep, but that's >roughly what OpenTransport does. I don't know whether it would be >advantageous to port it over to Rhapsody, but it it's the Mac's current >networking API. Why not the socket API? Would make porting lots 'o stuff easier and it is well known/documented. DJS
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 24 Feb 1997 18:28:45 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5esmkt$8db@news4.digex.net> References: <5ejfuf$ae2@news4.digex.net> <AF33668D-114FF@198.68.42.182> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> wrote: > John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> said: > [on my citing Webster's 3rd International] > >In the states, the authority is likely to be the 9th or newer > >version. > yar, but I picked up the entire 3 volume set for $25, so I'm > willing to put up with a few obsolete definitions... :) Good enough reason for me :) -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... monoChrome, Inc. | ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer | mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... | http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit New York Law School | Ja tallar ente svenska )^> %^) =^)
From: maury@softarc.com (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:06:10 -0500 Organization: SoftArc Inc. Message-ID: <maury-2402971306260001@199.166.204.230> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> <7fafow55ed.thoron@argo.patnet.caltech.edu> <5eqfe8$pfr@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-2302971518520001@ip124.santa-clara7.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <5eqmvc$pfr@news.platinum.com> In article <5eqmvc$pfr@news.platinum.com>, gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > This really is a bummer, and I hadn't thought of the implications of the > Office suite on the OS design. You are right, of course. Micro$oft, of > course, could always decline to migrate the popular Office applications to a > new MacOS Mmm, I dunno. Contrary to what people seem to believe here, MS is indeed a customer driven company. They would have done office for a new Mac OS, they'd have to or face the screams of every Mac owner, and the feds along with them. Apple does have some power to wield here, in the form of "MS isn't support changes to our OS in an attempt to drive people off of it". > OpenStep has changed all that, though. Rhapsody might wind up producing > applications that are so cool that nobody *cares* if Office is available on > the PowerMac or not. The ones to convince are the MIS types who are completely convinced that if they load the same software onto the same machines and allow no others on their entire network, everything will just magically work and they'll know how to fix it when it breaks. This is of course a flawed theory, because OS's and applications are so immense today that it's impossible to learn everything there is to know about _two_ items in a lifetime, let alone the lifetime of the software/hardware which continues to shrink. So magnifying the issue with multiple platforms does basically nothing to the problem, but not doing so has serious repercussions on user efficiency (I believe it to be a truism that people should use the machine they get the most work done on) and flexibility (evolutionary theory). > Yes, I think it's most likely that many of the advanced features from NeXT, > Copland, and other Apple and NeXT research will be incorporated into a new > Rhapsody GUI that is wonderful and happy. It will have so many compelling > cool things that it will be attractive to MacOS, NeXTSTEP, OS/2, Windows and > Windows95 users. That is the cool part of all this. We all get a modern OS > with lots of cool new toys that isn't crushed under the M$ hegemony. And one that is already in use. Let us not forget the BeOS people, they are trying hard and I wish them the best of luck and fortunes. Maury
From: Pascal Forget <pascal@wsc.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Yamaha OPL3-SA2 Sound Card supported? Date: 24 Feb 1997 20:57:27 GMT Organization: WSC Investment Services, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <5esvbn$r7r@cerberus.wsc.com> I just bought a Yamaha OPL3-SA2 FM Synthesizer / sound card. It has a Sound Blaster compatibility mode. Has anyone been successful in using this chip with OpenStep's Sound Blaster sound drivers? Thanks, Pascal Forget <pascal@wsc.com>
From: 3behrs@blazenet.net (Henry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PREFIXES FOR NEWS GROUPS Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:30:26 GMT Organization: Susquehanna Data Services Message-ID: <33123216.5211970@news.blazenet.net> I wonder if any one can tell me what the prefixes stand for in news groups..ie. alt. fido. fi. etc. Is there a printed list I can get for most of these.
From: jburton@nwu.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PREFIXES FOR NEWS GROUPS Date: 25 Feb 1997 02:15:20 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Message-ID: <5ethvo$muj@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <33123216.5211970@news.blazenet.net> 3behrs@blazenet.net (Henry) wrote: > I wonder if any one can tell me what the prefixes stand for in news > groups..ie. alt. fido. fi. etc. Is there a printed list I can get > for most of these. alt. = *a*narchists, *l*unatics, and *t*errorists fido. = *f*ound the *I*nternet, *D*OS *o*wner? fi. = *f*ormerly *i*ncognito Hope that helps. Any reason why you posted this to c.s.n.misc? -----8<---8<---- If you cut here, you will ruin your monitor -----8<---8<---- /_ __/ _ __/(_)_)/ )/_/(_\ ... Joshua W. Burton jburton@nwu.edu (847)677-3902
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Apple Mach IS NOT a microkernel!!!!! Date: 25 Feb 1997 06:24:10 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5eu0ia$d69@duke.squonk.net> References: <jm041536-1702972018170001@mencjo.apple.com> <5ebg1m$1en@news3.digex.net> <SHESS.97Feb18074753@howard.one.net> <5eeu62$76s@qnx.com> <SHESS.97Feb20085428@howard.one.net> <jm041536-2102971103330001@mencjo.apple.com> <5eldq2$kj@news.platinum.com> <markeaton_-ya02408000R2102972132110001@news.mindspring.com> <5enmc3$bra@news.platinum.com> gary-nospam-@screaming.org (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > I just don't understand why anyone would spend almost half a > billion dollars, and over 5 years on OS research (Pink, Taligent, > Copland) and fail to grok something so basic as a rational > protected memory scheme. A few details you are overlooking. Pink = Taligent = a brand new system from the ground up. You can do things in a new system which you might shy away from in a current production system. From all I've ever seen about Taligent, it understands protected memory quite well. That understanding is irrelevent to the work done for Copland, as they are projects with completely different constraints. > (I also don't understand why people are so infatuated with a > research kernel (Copland's NuKernel) that's never seen the > production light of day and doesn't offer an improvement over > kernels that I've been using for years... but that's another > topic.) It does offer some improvements. > In the strictest technical sense, perhaps I was too harsh on the > poor, defenseless little NuKernel, Yes, you were. Not that it's defenseless, but you made a number of assumptions which are not correct. > Anyway, nobody has yet offered proof that my general claim is > incorrect. The designers of Copland wandered very far down an > expensive and pointless track. They should have had their leashes > jerked back long, long ago. If they had presented me with such > a kludge two years ago, after hundreds of millions of dollars > and three years wasted on Pink and Taligent, I would have fired > them as being fundamentally incompetent. Period. > > Copland + NuKernel = No protected memory for ordinary applications. Forget the NuKernel in this equation. It's Copland = No protected memory for ordinary (GUI) applications I would say your general claim is correct, but I understand how it could have happened from Apple's side. The main problem with Copland is that it took much too long to do. If they could have done Copland in a year, then it probably would have been a perfectly reasonable idea. The real goal was Gershwin, which was intended to be the follow-on to Copland. Nobody nowhere at no time said that Copland was going to be the nirvana of operating systems. It was only meant to be an interim transition between MacOS and a new, modern, and heavy-duty operating system. Also, completely forget about Pink/Taligent for this discussion. Completely. Don't even mention it. It is not relevent to the decisions made for Copland/Gershwin, and given the size of Taligent this is probably just as well. Even with the recent dramatic decrease in RAM prices, Taligent could have required more RAM than Mac users would want to buy for a PowerMac. Besides, the people who worked on Taligent *moved* to the company named Taligent. They are not the people at Apple who worked on Copland/Gershwin ideas. > Under Copland, developers must take special steps to arrange for > protected memory for "applications that could benefit" from it. > The first, and very, very special, step is that one must hack > the user interface out of the app. > > That means that all the problems Mac users have with the average > user apps taking down other apps would still exist in Copland, > with the minor enhancement that your kernel would still be running > after your entire workspace crashes. As a user of a UNIX based > OS, I don't have this problem. And as a developer for Unix, you have hardly any customers compared to the MacOS. You don't have to worry about disrupting millions of customers, because you don't have them. Your operating system started on hardware which cost tens of thousands of dollars at the time, and thus it could afford the overhead of doing things right. The Mac was targetted for normal people with relatively normal budgets, and as such the initial hardware was fairly toyish. However, the Mac (and PC) brought computing to the masses, a claim which Unix can certainly never make in it's wildest dreams. Once Apple had made the transition to beefier hardware, it had to come up with a smooth transition of it's operating system. The Copland/Gershwin combination looked good on paper, and I don't see why you're so worked up about it. What good is done by all your ranting and raving about it? Apple greatly underestimated the difficulty of making this major a switch, and that is hardly news in the computer industry. In the lofty world of Unix, ask Sun how long it took to make their transition from BSD to SysV unix. I don't think Apple could afford a transition as painful (or as drawn-out) as that one has been. Now, as good as Copland/Gershwin may have initially looked, I do agree that Apple should have woken up to the problems a bit sooner than they did. Personally I think the problem was that upper management at the time was too busy trying to get someone like Sun to buy Apple (thus setting themselves up for big paydays), and were not paying attention to Apple itself. Either they didn't know or didn't care that this plan was dragging on much longer than it should have, or maybe they didn't think the changes were all that important. They might have thought, "sure this is late, but so what?". In any case, whatever the problem was, I do agree that Apple should have noticed it much sooner than they did. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:03:02 GMT Organization: R&A Sender: news@RnA.NL Message-ID: <E64FL2.Iz3@RnA.NL> Subject line says it all. Oh, and I don't mind a command line based newsreader that can just decode the contents of a MIME message like the use of uudecode from within nn. -- Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl (Gerben Wierda) NEXTSTEP RD242 "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud. Renee: "Met veel koper maakt men hoempa." (After hearing a Nielsen symphony)
From: dave@siqin.feinberg.nwu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NoteBook.app, how can I get a license? Date: 25 Feb 1997 17:50:22 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ev8ou$e93@news.acns.nwu.edu> I tried NoteBook.app and I like it. I'd like to purchase a license but I haven't been able to contact the authors. Here is what I know (from there info panel), it is written by Millennium Software Labs, Inc. 1010 El Camino Real, Suite 300 ˇ Menlo Park, CA 94025 ˇ USA (415) 321-3720 ˇ (415) 321-3650 Fax ˇ info@millennium.com Call (415) 321-3720 to order products But there phone is disconnected and has no forwarding information. Can anyone tell me now to contact them? Thank's in advance, David A. Johnson
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: can't get prefferences to work Date: 25 Feb 1997 18:12:25 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5eva29$m54@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <330F5B5F.9C8@gl.umbc.edu> In-Reply-To: <330F5B5F.9C8@gl.umbc.edu> On 02/22/97, Gregory Pacholczyk wrote: > I run NS 3.2 on an 040 cube and i cant seem to get the preferences to > work. whenever i click on the icon the drive spins for a few seconds > and then nothing. this started when i installed ns 3.2. any ideas? > I *think* this happens if you give root a home directory other than / Corrections etc welcome. Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cut&paste across workspace Date: 25 Feb 1997 18:15:59 GMT Organization: University of Sheffield, UK Message-ID: <5eva8v$m7t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <E6346K.Ir4@info.physics.utoronto.ca> In-Reply-To: <E6346K.Ir4@info.physics.utoronto.ca> On 02/24/97, Wei Liu wrote: > Does anyone know how to cut and paste texts from remote applications to > local ones? In more detail, I am displaying OmniWeb application on my > local console from a remote server. And I want to cut and paste text info. > to a local text editor. Thanks in advance. > Umm, you usually just copy and paste -- is there any reason why OW should be different? Best wishes, mmalc. --
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cut&paste across workspace Date: 25 Feb 1997 21:49:42 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5evmpm$r6l@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5eva8v$m7t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> In article <5eva8v$m7t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > On 02/24/97, Wei Liu wrote: > > Does anyone know how to cut and paste texts from remote applications to > > local ones? In more detail, I am displaying OmniWeb application on my > > local console from a remote server. And I want to cut and paste text info. I've experienced this myself. Apparently, OmniWeb doesn't handle remote cutting and pasting. All other apps, in my experience, function properly. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: kevin@vulcansthrone.az.stratus.com (Kevin Dorer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black box on 3.3 will not power off Date: 25 Feb 1997 22:41:34 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <5evpqu$as4@transfer.stratus.com> References: <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> In article <5eghtq$lmi@transfer.stratus.com> kevin@vulcansthrone.az.stratus.com (Kevin Dorer) writes: > > Black NeXT hardware, pizza box running NeXTStep 3.3 powers on > automatically after power off. Neither the 'After power off/failure' > nor the 'At specified time' buttons are checked under preferences > for root or other 2 users. Buttons may have been checked at some > time in the past for one of the users. Also tried enabling/disabling > power off (problem with this mentioned 3.1 release notes). Ideas > or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks to Chuck (Charles Swiger) who suggested replacing the 3v battery. Put in a new battery and no more problem! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kevin C. Dorer VOS Mail: Kevin_Dorer@vos.stratus.com Software Systems Engineer NeXT Mail: kevin@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Customer Service: (800) 828-8513 Stratus Computer, Inc., 4455 E. Camelback Road, Phoenix AZ 85018
From: no.spam@no.where (Pascal Bourguignon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cut&paste across workspace Date: 26 Feb 1997 02:47:23 GMT Organization: ImagiNET Message-ID: <5f087r$5tc@belzebul.imaginet.fr> References: <5evmpm$r6l@crcnis3.unl.edu> In article <5evmpm$r6l@crcnis3.unl.edu> rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) writes: > In article <5eva8v$m7t@bignews.shef.ac.uk> mmalcolm crawford > <m.crawford@shef.ac.uk> writes: > > On 02/24/97, Wei Liu wrote: > > > Does anyone know how to cut and paste texts from remote applications to > > > local ones? In more detail, I am displaying OmniWeb application on my > > > local console from a remote server. And I want to cut and paste text > info. > > I've experienced this myself. Apparently, OmniWeb doesn't handle remote > cutting and pasting. All other apps, in my experience, function properly. > > -- > Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) > Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ > Mathematics and Statistics > University of Nebraska-Lincoln Well, how do you do it? I never could cut and paste when running a remote application on the local DPS server (with -NXHost) even between Edit.app. I guess that's because I don't have a common NetInfo server. But I cannot: the remote host is a portable computer, and it would not work well stand alone if I hooked it to NetInfo. __Pascal Bourguignon__
From: jba@lanminds.com (=JA3=John Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Weird PPP problem Date: 26 Feb 1997 05:14:44 GMT Organization: LanMinds, Inc. (Not Responsible for Content) Message-ID: <5f0gs4$ils@lanshark.lanminds.com> Hello, I've got a weird PPP problem that my ISP cant solve... My ISP is where I work....I have this address as a personal e-mail address etc.. When I dial in to work, like I'm dialed into now, I can resolve hosts to anywhere, but I cant ping, FTP, telnet, or WWW into anywhere inside of my work domail....however I can fo all of the above to outside of the firewall at work, even though I'm connected via TCP/IP through a machine INSIDE the firewall at work... I've got NS 3.3 for black hardware, PPP2.2 Dialup1.2.1e, and SimpleInternetStarter 1.2e... I had it working yesterday, but it no longer works....I know my ISP is OK...I can connect with success to work via my windows machine... any ideas?? thanks John Anderson jba@lanminds.com jba@pixar.com
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Emulating those darn "Function Keys" Date: 26 Feb 1997 08:53:16 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <5f0tls$rgb@agate.berkeley.edu> Is there a way that someone with a black machine can emulate the function (F) keys of the PC keyboard? In the terminal window, I've set the "generate vt 100 codes from the keypad" and have managed to get most of the 'F' keys that I needed (F1-F3) using 'shift' with the number on the keypad. However, recently, the service I was accessing _changed_ such that I NOW require an 'F11', PREV, NEXT, Page Dn, and Page Up to navigate. Ugh. Any suggestions by e-mail, please. Thanks. John NeXTMail OK
From: Mark Trombino <mtrombin@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 02:47:51 -0800 Organization: Egg Head Billy Productions Message-ID: <331414D7.488@ix.netcom.com> References: <E64FL2.Iz3@RnA.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl wrote: > > Subject line says it all. > > Oh, and I don't mind a command line based newsreader that can just decode the > contents of a MIME message like the use of uudecode from within nn. > The next beta version of RadicalNews (due out in March) will support internal MIME messages. It is *by far* the best newsreader I have ever used on ANY platform and strongly incourage others to try it out! - Mark Trombino (not affiliated in any way to Radical Software. Just a fan!)
From: jkeenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cut&paste across workspace Date: 26 Feb 1997 15:52:45 GMT Organization: NeXT Software, Inc. Message-ID: <5f1m8d$e7k@news.next.com> References: <5f087r$5tc@belzebul.imaginet.fr> In article <5f087r$5tc@belzebul.imaginet.fr> no.spam@no.where (Pascal Bourguignon) writes: > Well, how do you do it? I never could cut and paste when running a > remote application on the local DPS server (with -NXHost) even between > Edit.app. I guess that's because I don't have a common NetInfo server. > But I cannot: the remote host is a portable computer, and it would not > work well stand alone if I hooked it to NetInfo. It's got nothing to do with NetInfo. The problem is, cut & paste uses the pasteboard server (pbs) as the manager for the pasteboard. If you're doing NXHost-type things, the apps are actually talking to two different pasteboard servers. Remember, it's only the GUI that gets remoted to the other system, not the app itself. joe
From: "B. Alexander King III" <aking@uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Can't format optical disk Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:44:09 -0600 Organization: Department of Physics, University of Illinois, Chicago Message-ID: <33145A49.4113@uic.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: aking@uic.edu I have a NeXT cube with a 25MHz 68040 running NeXTStep 3.0. I also have two blank 256Mb optical disks. Unfortunately, I am unable to initialize them from the Workspace Manager's Disk menu. The optical drive won't even recognize them (it just spits them back out). What could be wrong? Thanks in advance. bak
From: "Mitchell Allen" <mitchell.allen@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: 26 Feb 97 14:13:02 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <AF39F574-114A06@207.147.51.249> References: <331414D7.488@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.software, nntp://netnews.worldnet.att.net/comp.sys.next.sysadmin On Wed, Feb 26, 1997 5:47 AM, Mark Trombino <mailto:mtrombin@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > The next beta version of RadicalNews (due out in March) will support > internal MIME messages. It is *by far* the best newsreader I have ever > used on ANY platform and strongly incourage others to try it out! The UI is great on RadicalNews, but the performance on my Turbo Cube is slow as molasses even with a 28.8 connection. That Kiwi Newsreader is much faster, but I don't know if it supports MIME. Mitch --------------------------------------------------------- Cyberdog ---A Product of Apple Computer, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:51:57 -0600 From: mwm@math.tulane.edu Subject: Windows NT and NeXTSTEP Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <856982596.12511@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service To: mwm@math.tulane.edu I have a Windows NT Intel machine and a NeXTstation connected via Ethernet. The Windows machine also has a modem to run PPP and access the net. If the Ethernet card is running, however, the machine doesn't access the PPP connection for DNS service. Does anyone know how to cure this problem? Also, I understand that samba will allow me to mount the disks on the NeXT to the Windows machine, but is there software that will allow the Windows machine also to access a NeXT partition on its internal drive? Thanks for the help, Mike Mislove -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <luomat@peak.org> Message-ID: <199702241445.JAA07145@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: 8495ad6377ea078745d2235916195f2f - From: Timothy J Luoma <luomat@peak.org> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 09:45:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Power Supply Replacement Cc: comp-sys-next-misc@antigone.com References: 8495ad6377ea078745d2235916195f2f - Organization: Princeton Theological Seminary Responding To: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Original Date: 24 Feb 1997 07:23:25 GMT Message-ID: 8495ad6377ea078745d2235916195f2f - > What's the name of the place in Hayward, CA where a guy like > me can get a new power supply for my NeXT Turbo Station? IOW, > what is the name of the company that took over Bell Atlantic's > contract? 1) don't know (should know, but don't) 2) DecisionOne (aka ExpensiveOne). I think their # is 1-800-499-6398 > And, is the only reason I've got to buy a power supply there > so that it will fit inside the computer case? Why not any > other power 'cheapo' power supply? :-) I would bet there's a good reason, but I don't know what it is. > How common is it for the power supply to fail in > Black Stations? I consider it one of the two biggies that could kill my NeXT (the other being the monitor going). I'm not sure what causes it to go, whether turning the NeXT off an on often makes it more likely to die or whether leaving it on all the time makes it more likely to die. TjL ps -- what is the name of the company in CA that sells them, for future reference? -- Tj Luoma (luomat@peak.org) If you have a web page about NeXTStep|OpenStep, email me the URL! EMAIL ADDRESS: Please use the PEAK address and not the NERC one
From: Bill Winett <billw@hotwired.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a newsgroup just for WebObjects? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:41:26 -0800 Organization: HotWired Message-ID: <33149FF6.5810@hotwired.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The subject says it all. Sorry for posting here, but I can't find a newsgroup dedicated solely to WebObjects. Thanks in advance.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a newsgroup just for WebObjects? Date: 27 Feb 1997 04:27:35 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5f32fn$56a@news.digifix.com> References: <33149FF6.5810@hotwired.com> In-Reply-To: <33149FF6.5810@hotwired.com> On 02/26/97, Bill Winett wrote: >The subject says it all. > >Sorry for posting here, but I can't find a newsgroup dedicated solely to >WebObjects. > >Thanks in advance. > No, but there is a mailing list, hosted by the kind folks at Omni Development.. Check out http://www.omnigroup.com/ for subscription information. -- Scott Anguish DBS Online - http://www.dbs-online.com/DBS sanguish@digifix.com Stepwise OpenStep WWW - http://www.stepwise.com
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Date: 27 Feb 1997 03:21:15 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Sender: -no- @pm132-28.dialip.mich.net Message-ID: <5f2ujb$j3m$2@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <E64FL2.Iz3@RnA.NL> <7xg1yjry8m.fsf@burrow.muc.de> Cc: markusg@burrow.muc.de In <7xg1yjry8m.fsf@burrow.muc.de> Markus Gloede wrote: > >>>>> "GW" == Gerben Wierda <Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl> writes: > > GW> Subject line says it all. > > Everytime somebody askes for a good newsreader my voice can be heard > shouting: Emacs + Gnus! It does everything you want and more. > > Markus G > It doesn't sound to me like what he meant. He's most likely looking for a newsreader extension for the 'vi' editor? No full screen, line by line mode. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, just a friendly joke. :-))) Good luck. Rudy. -- Rudy Blazek Michigan State University blazek@stt.msu.edu Department of Statistics & Probability
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Markus Gloede <markusg@burrow.muc.de> Subject: Re: Is there a MIME-capable news reader for NEXTSTEP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <7xg1yjry8m.fsf@burrow.muc.de> To: Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl Sender: tm@burrow.muc.de (the mole) Organization: hardly any. . . References: <E64FL2.Iz3@RnA.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.92) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:36:25 GMT >>>>> "GW" == Gerben Wierda <Gerben_Wierda@RnA.nl> writes: GW> Subject line says it all. Everytime somebody askes for a good newsreader my voice can be heard shouting: Emacs + Gnus! It does everything you want and more. Markus G
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: nyang@netcom.com (Nick Yang) Subject: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Message-ID: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> Summary: Help a NeXT novice Keywords: NeXT, Screwup Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 06:16:16 GMT Sender: nyang@netcom3.netcom.com I just received my NeXTstation today, and after 15 minutes of messing around, I have already made it unbootable... Someone please help me. The hardware is a NeXTstation mono 16/400. System version is 3.3. What I did to screwed it up is, I login as root and use Simple Network Setup, and made the computer a NetInfo server (or client?). (I have a LAN of couple of Unix machines and Macs.) And now when I restart the computer, I will get a message: "lookupd: NetInfo timeout connecting to local domain, sleeping" and it will just hang there. After a couple of ^C, I will get a core dump. I then unplug the network cable and reboot, the process will pause at starting file service, and after a couple of ^C, I will get the mouse pointer, but no Workspace Manager. Can any NeXT guru tell me how to boot the computer without NetInfo. Or, maybe if you know the solution to my problem. I am so lost. I checked all the FAQs, and NextAnswer. Please if you know, reply to the message or send an e-mail to me. I will be checking the newsgroup and mail all night. Or heck, if you know how to fix my problem, call me at my home. My number there is 1-818-821-1989. Thanks a million in advance. - Nick
From: Arne Sieg <sieg@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: next software- intel/motorola/sparc/hp?! Date: 27 Feb 1997 07:48:27 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Distribution: world Message-ID: <5f3e8b$alo@arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <5ekh1b$ph7@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Keywords: MAB, binaries, software Allen Braunsdorf writes > humanist@interport.net (Michael Howard) wrote: > >How does Next sofware come packaged? I'm thinking about getting a > >used "classic" black hardware, with monitor, etc, but will it have any > >new software? How does Next the binary-compatiblity problem? > > Others have generally answered you about MABs, I'll add some > more. > > NEXTSTEP 3.3 comes in two packages depending on which > machine you get it for. One has the NeXT and Intel > versions, the other has the HP and SPARC versions. The > developer part of the relase (another CD) works on all four. > In 4.1, the three (they don't do HP anymore) are all > separate, I'm told. No, they come on one CD for all 3 architectures in 4.1, developper partly even for HP-PA! -- Arne Sieg, StuMi-Sysadmin PST (E10, E3) url: http://www.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~sieg/
From: gh@smart.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Accessing a serial port Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 07:53:23 -0500 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <331583C3.149B@smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have connected an Ascend P25 terminal adapter to my computer. It is connected by ethernet for the network connection and to the 1st serial port for terminal access. Now I need to access it with VT100 terminal emulation in order to configure it. The manual gives directions for only Win95, which says to use HyperTerminal. Will I be able to use NeXT's terminal app for this? What command should I give to access the 1st serial port? Or should I use a different app altogether? Thanks, Greg
From: i455@baracke.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Bergmann Winfried) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Date: 27 Feb 1997 14:18:01 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Message-ID: <5f452p$d97@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> Nick Yang (nyang@netcom.com) wrote: : I just received my NeXTstation today, and after 15 minutes of messing : around, I have already made it unbootable... Someone please help me. : : The hardware is a NeXTstation mono 16/400. System version is 3.3. : : What I did to screwed it up is, I login as root and use Simple Network : Setup, and made the computer a NetInfo server (or client?). (I have a : LAN of couple of Unix machines and Macs.) And now when I restart the : computer, I will get a message: : : "lookupd: NetInfo timeout connecting to local domain, sleeping" : : and it will just hang there. After a couple of ^C, I will get a core dump. : : I then unplug the network cable and reboot, the process will pause at : starting file service, and after a couple of ^C, I will get the mouse : pointer, but no Workspace Manager. : : Can any NeXT guru tell me how to boot the computer without NetInfo. Or, : maybe if you know the solution to my problem. I am so lost. I checked all : the : FAQs, and NextAnswer. Please if you know, reply to the message or send : an e-mail to me. I will be checking the newsgroup and mail all night. : Or heck, if you know how to fix my problem, call me at my home. My : number there is 1-818-821-1989. Thanks a million in advance. : : - Nick : Try to boot up in single user mode. I'm don't know how to do this with Next-hardware, but it should be in the NextAnswers. Then restore the NI database with the default somewhere in /usr/template/client... If you can't find it, send me a mail. I could check it out, when I'm home. -- ========================================================================== Winfried Bergmann | Germany - 91478 Ulsenheim 14 | I read it in the paper i455@stio1.sari.fh-wuerzburg.de | There's death on every page ==========================================================================
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Accessing a serial port Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:27:01 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <E69Mt2.59M@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <331583C3.149B@smart.net> In article <331583C3.149B@smart.net> gh@smart.net writes: > I have connected an Ascend P25 terminal adapter to > my computer. It is connected by ethernet for the > network connection and to the 1st serial port for > terminal access. Now I need to access it with > VT100 terminal emulation in order to configure it. > The manual gives directions for only Win95, which > says to use HyperTerminal. Will I be able to use > NeXT's terminal app for this? What command should > I give to access the 1st serial port? Or should > I use a different app altogether? something like: tip ttya9600 (cat /etc/remote to see the available speeds etc, or add new ones). $an
From: jstella@okeefe.com (Seraphim J. Stella) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Date: 27 Feb 1997 17:03:32 GMT Organization: digitalNATION high speed internet Message-ID: <5f4ep4$l9e$1@news1.dn.net> References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> Cc: nyang@netcom.com In <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> Nick Yang wrote: > I just received my NeXTstation today, and after 15 minutes of messing > around, I have already made it unbootable... Someone please help me. > > The hardware is a NeXTstation mono 16/400. System version is 3.3. > > What I did to screwed it up is, I login as root and use Simple Network > Setup, and made the computer a NetInfo server (or client?). (I have a > LAN of couple of Unix machines and Macs.) And now when I restart the > computer, I will get a message: > > "lookupd: NetInfo timeout connecting to local domain, sleeping" > > and it will just hang there. After a couple of ^C, I will get a core dump. > > I then unplug the network cable and reboot, the process will pause at > starting file service, and after a couple of ^C, I will get the mouse > pointer, but no Workspace Manager. > > Can any NeXT guru tell me how to boot the computer without NetInfo. Or, > maybe if you know the solution to my problem. I am so lost. I checked all > the > FAQs, and NextAnswer. Please if you know, reply to the message or send > an e-mail to me. I will be checking the newsgroup and mail all night. > Or heck, if you know how to fix my problem, call me at my home. My > number there is 1-818-821-1989. Thanks a million in advance. > > - Nick > No problem... When your machine first boots, a screen will come up saying "Loading from Disk". At this point, hold down the right "Command" key and tap the upper left hand key on the numeric keypad (generally the "`" key). This will bring up a terminal boot screen. Type "bsd -s" (without the quotes) at the prompt. This will bring you up in single-user mode. Single user mode has only a UNIX command line interface, so don't worry when no Workspace Manager launches... Type the following commands: mkdir /Users/<YourUserNameHere>/NetInfoBackup cp -r /etc/netinfo /Users/<YourUserNameHere>/NetinfoBackup/ cp hostcongif /etc/netinfo /Users/<YourUserNameHere>/NetinfoBackup/ rm -r /etc/netinfo rm /etc/hostconfig cp /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig /etc cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo /etc These commands will make a backup of your network configuration files, delete the old network configuration files and then put the templates back in their place. Make sure to replace the <YourUserNameHere> strings with your actual login name. F.Y.I The commands I gave you are not the most efficient way to execute these tasks, but are the easiest to "get" if you are unfamiliar with UNIX. Email me if you need additional help. Josh Stella
From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Date: 27 Feb 1997 12:03:10 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5f4p9u$ee@mpaque.mpaque> References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> In article <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> nyang@netcom.com (Nick Yang) writes: > What I did to screwed it up is, I login as root and use Simple Network > Setup, and made the computer a NetInfo server (or client?). (I have a > LAN of couple of Unix machines and Macs.) And now when I restart the > computer, I will get a message: > > "lookupd: NetInfo timeout connecting to local domain, sleeping" > > Can any NeXT guru tell me how to boot the computer without NetInfo. Or, > maybe if you know the solution to my problem. I am so lost. I checked all > the > FAQs, and NextAnswer. If you're having major problems that you believe stem from a corrupted NetInfo database, you can restore the NetInfo and configuration servers to their original, standalone states. In addition, if you're not confident about changes you've made to the local domain, you may want to restore it, too. Warning: Making a new NetInfo database is a drastic measure. Only do this as a last resort. If you've invested a lot of time creating the NetInfo database, ask an expert for help before replacing it. A better choice is to restore the hostconfig, local.nidb, and network.nidb files from backups made when the network was working properly. Follow these steps to restore each NetInfo server to its original state: 1. Restore the NetInfo databases on the computer running the server process for the root domain. Be sure to do this in single-user mode. To get to single user mode: a. When you first turn on your NeXT computer, hold down the right Command key and press the ~ key (without pressing Shift) on the numeric keypad immediately after the Testing system message is replaced by the Loading from disk message. (If you have a NeXT computer with an ADB keyboard, press the Command bar and the ~ key.) The ROM monitor window opens and displays the NeXT> prompt. b. Type the boot command: bsd -s rootrw=1 2. Copy /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig to /etc. This restores the hostconfig file to its default configuration. cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/hostconfig /etc 3. Remove the directory in /etc/netinfo to delete all NetInfo domains on that computer. 4. Copy the files in /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo to /etc/netinfo to restore the netinfo domain to its original state. cp -r /usr/template/client/etc/netinfo /etc/netinfo -- I don't speak for my employer, whoever it is, and they don't speak for me. mpaque@next.com Official business only NeXT Mail OK mpaque@wco.com Non-business or personal mail NeXT mail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: nyang@netcom.com (Nick Yang) Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Message-ID: <nyangE6ACo5.10n@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> <5f4ep4$l9e$1@news1.dn.net> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:45:41 GMT Sender: nyang@netcom3.netcom.com HI. Thank you all so much for your help. I got the machine without the manuals so I didn't know how to boot into single user mode. I guess I didn't look hard enought on the web to find out about this as some people told me this is a pretty common problem. I got the machine to boot into single user mode and replaced hostconfig and netinfo with fresh copies and it reboot fine again. Thank you all so much. I learned so much in the last 24 hours. I love the machine a lot and think it's a beautiful piece of art. Anyway, when I get home and I am going to play with it some more. Thank you all again. - Nick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Backup Software - SafetyNet Message-ID: <1997Feb28.093029.26302@roper.uwyo.edu> From: nor@panoramix.uwyo.edu (norbert pirzkal) Date: 28 Feb 97 09:30:29 MST References: <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de> Distribution: world Cc: roland@onevision.de In <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de> Roland Schwingel wrote: ... > So I tried to contact systemix (vendor of Safetynet) in order > to ask whether there is a new version. But I didn't got > any response right now. Are they still alive ? My Emails > didn't bounce. Their web page seems to be very old, too. ... I think they rae still alive. I have been using their backup software for over a year and it is just great! Anyway, they posted version 2.51 on ftp-peak and announced a special pricing policy for the next few weeks. I therefore think that they are still around... -- Norbert Pirzkal http://faraday.uwyo.edu/grads/npirzkal P.O. Box 3905 Physics & Astronomy Department University Station Laramie, WY, 82071
From: Jeff Sciortino <jjs2815@osfpop.isc.rit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: [HELP] I screwed up my new NeXtstation! Date: 28 Feb 1997 02:10:26 GMT Organization: Industrial Engieering Message-ID: <5f5eqi$1h1@news.isc.rit.edu> References: <nyangE69034.81A@netcom.com> <5f452p$d97@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i455@baracke.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Bergmann Winfried) wrote: >Nick Yang (nyang@netcom.com) wrote: >: I just received my NeXTstation today, and after 15 minutes of messing >Try to boot up in single user mode. I'm don't know how to do this with >Next-hardware, but it should be in the NextAnswers. Then restore the NI >database with the default somewhere in /usr/template/client... When the first graphic comes up on the screen (something like checking hardware) hold down the command key and press the ~ key (in the numeric keypad section of the keyboard) This should get you a prompt that looks like: NEXT> Type: bsd -s hit <ENTER> This should boot from your scsi device (hard disk) in single user mode. I think the NeXTanswer that deals with this is called power on? best o' luck >========================================================================== >Winfried Bergmann | >Germany - 91478 Ulsenheim 14 | I read it in the paper >i455@stio1.sari.fh-wuerzburg.de | There's death on every page >==========================================================================
From: shess@one.net (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Backup Software - SafetyNet Date: 28 Feb 97 12:24:17 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SHESS.97Feb28122417@slave.one.net> References: <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de> In-reply-to: roland@onevision.de's message of Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:59:26 GMT In article <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de>, roland@onevision.de (Roland Schwingel) writes: So I tried to contact systemix (vendor of Safetynet) in order to ask whether there is a new version. But I didn't got any response right now. Are they still alive ? My Emails didn't bounce. Their web page seems to be very old, too. Keep trying. I talked, via email, with Brian not too long ago (month, two months?), and systemix recently posted on csn.announce. More than likely, he's just like me - I have a "real" job, which often takes precedence over secondary (and low-money) pursuits. Later, -- scott hess <shess@one.net> (606) 578-0412 http://w3.one.net/~shess/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu (David Herren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Strange: Main menus nowhere to be seen Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:58:44 -0500 Organization: Language Schools of Middlebury College Sender: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu Message-ID: <msg39379.thr-41466fac.54c5638@flannet.middlebury.edu> References: <5ec0jq$cer@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg39379.thr-41466fac.54c5638.part0@flannet.middlebury.edu> <bold>vbragin@ix.netcom.com,UseNet writes:</bold> >For the last several weeks, the main menus of two >applications I use (specifically Mesa and Edit) are >nowhere to be seen whenever I start both applications. >The menus remain hidden the whole time I use these >apps. The only way I am able to see the menu is by >using the right mouse button. Is there any keystroke >that I perchance might have used that caused the main >menus from both apps to remain invisible? How do I >get back these menus? Double click on the clock icon just below the NeXT icon to open your preferences. Scroll right until you see the menu icon and click on it. A representation of your monitor will appear. Click the mouse anywhere inside the monitor and a menu will dynamically move around your screen as you move the mouse. Position the menu at the top left of the screen (for example) and this will become the default location for the menus. In other applications where the menus are currently still appearing, you have probably moved them from their default location at some time in the past. The applications remember where you last put them and henceforward will ignore the defaults set in preferences. I discovered this in somthing like the reverse situation. I _wanted_ to get rid of all menus and could with all apps except Edit--because I had moved Edit's menu from the default position. -- David Herren -------------------------------------------------- Web: http://www.middlebury.edu/~herren/ General: herren@flannet.middlebury.edu NeXTMail only: herren@barcelona.middlebury.edu
From: deniseh@nntp.best.com (Denise Howard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Q:Reporting tool Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 28 Feb 1997 19:11:42 GMT Message-ID: <5f7ale$7ra$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> References: <E6BKEz.165@oic.de> Juergen Moellenhoff (jurgen@oic.de) wrote: : Hi, : I'm looking for reporting tools, but I don't know which report writers are : available for OPENSTEP 4.x/Mach and EOF? Can someone give me an : advice which tools are available (and usable)? If you mean database reporting tools, check out CompleteAccess by Ocean Software (info@oceansoft.com) or DaTASMITH by BLaCKSMITH (info@blacksmith.com). They are both outstanding. I don't know what their availability is for OPENSTEP (as opposed to NEXTSTEP), though. Denise -- Denise Howard | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar to Mountain View, CA | banging one's head against a wall, but deniseh@best.com | with fewer opportunities for reward. NeXTMail welcome! | http://www.best.com/~deniseh
From: tj@oro.net (Thomas Ferreira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WTB: NeXT Color Printer Date: 28 Feb 1997 22:05:14 GMT Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA" Message-ID: <tj-2802971408400001@i528.oro.net> Let me know what you have. Thomas
From: me@venetia.pgh.pa.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Backup Software - SafetyNet Date: 28 Feb 1997 22:47:50 GMT Organization: Pittsburgh OnLine, Inc. Message-ID: <5f7nam$5s2@dropit.pgh.net> References: <E6B7v2.Bx2@onevision.de> <1997Feb28.093029.26302@roper.uwyo.edu> > I think they are still alive. I have been using their backup software for > over a year and it is just great! > Anyway, they posted version 2.51 on ftp-peak and announced a special pricing > policy for the next few weeks. I therefore think that they are still > around... Is that 2.51 or 2.5r1? I have the latter, but I don't want to spend a lot of tme downloading something I already have.. ----- Bob Peirce Venetia, PA 412-941-6883 me@venetia.pgh.pa.us [HOME (NeXT)] rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us [OFFICE] There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: joe@interport.net (Joe Mirabella) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TEST Date: 28 Feb 1997 18:07:38 -0500 Organization: Interport Communications Corp. Message-ID: <5f7ofq$9c5@interport.net> TEST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TIFF to ICO conversion nightmare Message-ID: <33177131.1915@running-start.com> From: Eric Hermanson <eric@running-start.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:58:41 -0800 Organization: Running Start, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am having a heck of a time trying to convert .tiff files created and saved under NEXTSTEP into Windows compatible .ico files. There are several problems: 1. I haven't been able to find an application that goes from .tiff --> .ico that runs on Windows or NEXTSTEP. If I could find an app that does this, that would be great! 2. Assuming I won't be able to find a solution for #1, I'm also trying to find a Windows program that will read in NEXTSTEP .tiff files and convert them to .bmp or even .gif. I'm assuming it might be easier to find an app that goes from .bmp to .ico. 3. If I can get #2, I still need the .bmp --> .ico converter! If anyone has experience converting NeXT .tiff images (which may or may not contain alpha transparency) into Windows .ico files, please drop me a line. Thanks, Eric -- Running Start, Inc. * Ask About Our Software For: "The Enterprise Developer's Developer" * Workflow http://www.running-start.com * Web Commerce +1-520-760-4890 (4891 FAX) * Request Resolution eric@running-start.com * OPENSTEP/WebObjects/JAVA ================================ Homer Simpson Quote of the Week: Homer: (Offering Lisa a donut.) Donut? Lisa: Uhh... got any fruit? Homer: This one has purple in it. Purple's a fruit.
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