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From: Seth Morabito <sethm@corp.sgi.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 40 MHz NeXTstation? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:21:05 -0700 Organization: Silicon Graphics Message-ID: <33DFBE51.41C6@corp.sgi.com> References: <33D65F82.41C6@corp.sgi.com> <5r7jsa$li3$2@news2.voicenet.c <5rlhlg$nnt$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles Phillips wrote: > > David Evans <dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > : In article <5r7jsa$li3$2@news2.voicenet.com>, > : Darren Wright <dwright1@voicenet.com> wrote: > : >Does anyone know how many of these were released? > > : Some small number (under 20?) were built as prototypes. > > : -- > : David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca > > I would sure like to get a photo of the logic board of one of the 40 MHz > versions. Could one of the owners (Seth??) look at the oscillators on it > and post the configuration? > Since there does seem to be some interest in getting pictures of the Nitro board out there, I will try to post some to a website fairly soon. It's honestly not that very interesting, though :) A neat board, to be sure, but it looks like a bunch of off-the-shelf components, though I could be wrong. I'm much more of a software guy than a hardware guy. -Seth -- Seth Morabito | Silicon Graphics | sethm@corp.sgi.com | (415) 933-7044 "I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lisp has all the visual appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in. (Other than that, it's quite a nice language.)" -- Larry Wall
From: atarid@no-spammers.com (Atarid Industries, Inc.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Which Way Do We Go? Which Way Do We Go? Date: 31 Jul 1997 04:06:31 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <5rp307$jbf@bolivia.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone! Thanks for stopping by! This seems to be a looming question, however, I haven't been able to find a significant amount of discussion on this so far. I would appreciate hearing any thoughts that folks around the world have on this. I have been searching the (NeXT) groups primarily for discussions and opinions on this question but have yet to come across any thread of note. I figure that this is something that Apple/Mac Advocates prior to the acquisition would not think twice about. With "Rhapsody/Blue Box/Yellow Box/OPENSTEP for MACH" on a MAC just over the horizon and scheduled for full release in August/September - the question arises as to which hardware platform (Apple/Intel) would be best given a brand new installation where a network of at least seven desktop systems will be required to start and eventually scaled to about 20-30 before the end of the year? The plan is to put in place a very high performance network for handling a variety of large data types (multimedia - data, video, high quality images, fax services, POS, print services, etc.) for a modern "pseudo-paperless" business environment. At the moment, a 100 Mbps Ethernet backbone is planned. Precisely which Internet connection this installation is still under review - K56Flex, ISDN, T-1, etc.? In addition, there are a couple of laptops which will be needed. In this case, however, and unless Apple can produces a laptop with a much better LCD and with a few other improvements, Intel will be the way to go despite the CPU which the PowerBooks are using. There seems like there may be a few major hardware announcements coming at the Macworld Expo in Boston next week. If this is true and the software is ready, the question will be if they are shipping shortly thereafter and will the price/performance and value be far superior to high-end Intel-based configurations. A factor to keep in mind when considering this case is that the base of this network is to be installed beginning the third week in August. Therefore, having the hardware in hand prior to this time is necessary. Regards, MJ (SPAMMER RESISTANT POST - Michael Jones (atarid@earthlink.net)
From: "Michael K." <mika0008@stud.uni-sb.de> Newsgroups: maus.hardware,maus.rec.spieletips,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.hp.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.comm,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.networking,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.video,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sun.hardware,de.comp.os.linux.hardware,de.markt.comp.hardware,maus.sys.atari.hardware,microsoft.private.mvp.hardware,microsoft.public.hardware,misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware,nl.comp.hardware,z-netz.rechner.hardware,z-netz.rechner.ibm.hardware Subject: Verkaufe oder tausche 1x32MB SDRAM ,12ns Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:00:06 +0200 Organization: University of Saarland, Computing Center, Germany. Message-ID: <33E04606.D83AEDA7@stud.uni-sb.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Verkaufe neue 1x32 MB SDRAM,12ns 1x168 pin. Habe die Rechnung um die Neuwertigkeit zu bestätigen. Verkaufe die SDRAM weil mein Mainboard sie nur als FPM-Module erkennt und sie nur mit 60ns anspricht. Neupreis : 355DM Mein Preis: 280DM +Porto SDRAM wurden am 30.07.97 gekauft Bei Interesse persönliches Email P.S.: Bin auch zum Tausch gegen 2x16MB EDO-RAM 60ns + 60 DM bereit Ciao Michael
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: [NeXTcube] 3 or more SCSI devices internally? Date: 30 Jul 1997 03:17:02 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5rmbne$kvt$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> References: <5rjie6$9f9$1@darla.visi.com> In article <5rjie6$9f9$1@darla.visi.com>, David Young <dwy@ace.net> wrote: >So, the SCSI cable and the power supply only provide two connectors. Is this >a hint that I shouldn't try to stuff more than two devices inside? I've run 3 devices w/out any problems. I now have 4 (OD, HD, CD, floppy). Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue M/S 44UR Enterprise Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.1053 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company
From: zapper@micro-intel.com (Marc Girard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: OpenStep 4.2 backup disks? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:16:04 GMT Organization: Internet-Login Message-ID: <33e03a6a.3357635@nntp.mlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello there, I'm sorry if it's not the good place to ask such a question, but I'm really out of resources. We're developing real-time apps with OpenStep. One day, an employee damaged the installation disks by accident. We recently received OpenStep 4.2 and I'd like to make a backup copy of the 3 installation disks. I tried to format 3 blank disks and then start a shell and do the good old unix trick: dd if=/dev/fd0a of=disk1.raw (etc,etc) but it didn't work out. Next I tried just to copy the whole thing the my HD and put it back on a newly formatted disk but it's too big. What's the trick to copy a NeXT formatted disk? (Is there an equivalent to DOS' Diskcopy or something?) Thanks in advance! Marc Girard SysAdmin @ Planon Telexpertise Inc. zapper@micro-intel.com
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Success: Reliable printing from NT 4.0 to NeXT laser printer... Date: 31 Jul 1997 14:43:56 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Sender: pcf1@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <5rq8bc$nef$1@netty.york.ac.uk> References: <33D4B263.5EDFFF5@primenet.com> Robert Worne <rworne@primenet.com> writes: > After much grief and hair-pulling, I am now happily printing *multiple > page* documents to my Turbocolor's NLP... > While the issue of how to install the NeXT printer .ppd file has been > discussed before, it did not cover the implementation to the solution of > the problem of why multiple-page documents consistently create > postscript errors on the NeXT machine. ummm, if you simply set your NT box to produce postable postscript (it's an option somewhere) then it works fine with multi-page documents. I use some of the apple laser writer drivers - no need to copy the ppd file. your solution sounds extremely complex - what does it give you that turning on the portable postcript flag doesn't ? -bat.
From: Charles Phillips <phillips@shell.c-com.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT RAM Date: 31 Jul 1997 08:32:52 GMT Organization: Charter Communications International, Inc. Message-ID: <5rpijk$d4p$1@uhura1.phoenix.net> Now that I look at the FAQ more closely, there is a 25 MHz mono station board that takes 72 pin SIMMS. Oops. -- Charles D Phillips <mailto:phillips@phoenix.net> Check the Recycling And Hazardous Waste Disposal web page at: <http://www.academ.com/houston/recycling> "I Don't Do Windows, I Have A Macintosh"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: magnus@darwin.uchicago.edu (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Glidepoint/touchpad driver Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <970731105735.499AAFcE.magnus@darwin> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:57:35 GMT Hi, I just purchased a keyboard with a built-in glidepoint for OS 4.x on Intel. Everything works fine except that the glidepoint by default responds to "taps" and interprets them as left-button mouse clicks. Nice, except that since I can't use the Windows drivers that came with the keyboard, I have no way of adjusting the sensitivity... Right now, it is somewhat tricky to put a finger on the mouse to move the pointer without clicking on the current position. I have a few questions: I am running the PS/2 mouse driver, but the keyboard also comes in a version that does a serial mouse --- does anyone know whether the serial pointing device driver would help me get around this problem (for instance by disabling the "taps"). Are there any other drivers available, by any chance? Does anyone have any experience with keyboards that work well without drivers? Thanks, --- Magnus Nordborg Department of Ecology & Evolution The University of Chicago 1101 E. 57th St. Chicago, IL 60637-1573 USA magnus@darwin.uchicago.edu (NeXT, MIME, Sun) +1.773.702-1093 phone (lab) +1.773.667-5331 phone (home) +1.773.702-9740 fax
From: Rebecca <beccaray@geocities.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to use Tandberg SCSI tape with Black 3.2 ? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:30:38 -0400 Organization: Skidmore College Message-ID: <33E0BDAD.4D1B@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have a Tandberg 250 meg SCSI tape drive that is being unusable with my turbo color station. Any suggestions on how to get it to work. I know there is a way becasue I've used it before, but the script that set it up got eaten in the Hard Drive crash. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Peace, James r rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hugob@tamtam.xs4all (Hugo Burm) Subject: Installing Prelude Message-ID: <EE6MG4.97@tamtam.xs4all.nl> Sender: hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl (Hugo Burm) Organization: datagram Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:55:15 GMT I tried to install Prelude to Rhapsody on three different systems 1) Hardware: No Name Pentium, SCSI only, Stealth S3 VRAM - Windows NT 4.0 + Openstep Enterprise : success - Win 95 + Openstep Enterprise deployment: kernel32.dll protection error - OpenStep Mach: success 2) Hardware: High end Asus SMP with two PentiumPro's, SCSI only, Matrox Millenium - OpenStep Mach: success (only one processor used) - Windows NT 4.0 + Openstep Enterprise : WindowServer.exe dies immediately 3) Hardware: No Name i486 Notebook - Win 95 + Openstep Enterprise deployment: kernel32.dll protection error Two questions: - Did anyone succeed in running some apps on a Win95 install of the OpenStep Enterprise deployment system from the Rhapsody CD's? - Did anyone succeed in running some apps on a NT 4.0 (SP3) install of the OpenStep Enterprise system om a _dual_ processor (Pentium or PPro) system? hugob@tamtam.xs4all.nl
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From: Carl Jabido <cjabido@npl.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: System trying to boot off of CD-ROM drive. Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 00:24:49 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <33D97C11.1430@npl.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got a NEC 3xP external drive that's SCSI-2. I hooked it up via the external adapter and the drive is seen fine. I can access it fine once the system is booted up. The problem is that on startup, the system sees the internal hard drive, then the external cd-rom and then tries to boot off the cd-rom. Even if I enter the rom monitor and manually do a bsd (0,0,0) (to specify the first scsi device) it reverts to the cd-rom drive. After it reverts to the cd-rom drive, if there is no disk in there, it will wait until the drive comes ready. As long as I have a disk in there, it realizes that it can't boot off the cd and will then revert back to the internal scsi drive. The internal drive is at ID 1. It doesn't matter what ID the cd-rom drive is at, it always tries to boot off of it. Thanks for any help, it's not so much of a problem, just an annoyance really but I'm really curious on how to fix it just to add to my knowledge about NeXTs (which is pretty sparse but growing steadily!). Thanks again, Carl
From: Eric Bergerson <eb@object.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Zip Drives on OS4.2 running on Intel Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: <33E11848.2329@object.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just bought a SCSI zip, added it onto my OS4.2 Intel machine and tried to use it. While the drive works fine, I can't seem to format any of the Wintel formatted zip drives to an OpenStep filesystem. Any suggestions why simply hitting format from Workspace doesn't work for zip drives? I know there are more complications for my Jaz, but I had heard that Zip's weren't a problem. Please cc my email (eb@object.com) on any replies. Eric Bergerson Objective Technologies, Inc. 212 988 6268
From: cdodson@i.cant.say.com***(email spammers must die) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.2 backup disks? Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:12:45 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <5rqo3d$1m0@transfer.stratus.com> References: <33e03a6a.3357635@nntp.mlink.net> In article <33e03a6a.3357635@nntp.mlink.net> zapper@micro-intel.com (Marc Girard) writes: > > Hello there, > > What's the trick to copy a NeXT formatted disk? (Is there an > equivalent to DOS' Diskcopy or something?) Thanks in advance! > Go out on the net and get one of the 1000 DOS shareware utilities that can copy floppies. I can't remember the one I use but it works great (on a DOS/Win/95 system). Not sure what's out there for native NeXTStep floppy copies. Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
From: Curtis Crowson <curtis_crowson@emory.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Next/Mac CD-ROM Drive Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:44:54 -0400 Organization: Emory University System of Health Care Message-ID: <33E0EB36.47FC@emory.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need an External CD-ROM Drive that will work with a Turbo slab running 3.1 and PowerMac 8100av. Which drives work with the Turbo Slab? Should I upgrade my system to 3.3 so that more drives are supported? I am clueless. I don't have to have a CD-Rom for the Mac but If I am going to get an external drive for the Next it would be nice if it worked with my Mac.
From: jon@haveman.org (Jon Haveman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Can anyone suggest a replacement hard disk for a color slab? Date: 1 Aug 1997 00:10:18 GMT Organization: Purdue University Message-ID: <5rr9ha$g2e@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5rr4gr$12kq@elmo.cadvision.com> guzzibill writes > In <5rl1il$eu7$1@news2.charm.net> Larry Blische wrote: > > I'm running NeXTSTEP 3.3 on a color slab. I'm afraid my hard disk is on > it's > > last legs as it sometimes won't spin up when I turn on the machine. > > > > Does any have suggestions on a replacement drive? > > I guess I'm looking for a 2 GB drive to avoid any problems with partitions > > that are too big. > > What is Ultra SCSI? > > I have a SafetyNet backup, what's the best recovery procedure? > > Is any of this written down anywhere? > > > I have a turbo colour slab with the following replacement drive that > was literally plug & play with the old internal drive bay & power source. > > QUANTUM FIREBALL_TM2110S I'll second this. I just tossed one in my turbo colour slab and it was a no-brainer. No troubles whatsoever. -- Jon Haveman
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <nospam+next@luomat.peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.2 backup disks? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:39:17 -0400 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970731123638.25626B-100000@luomat.peak.org> References: <33e03a6a.3357635@nntp.mlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Marc Girard <zapper@micro-intel.com> In-Reply-To: <33e03a6a.3357635@nntp.mlink.net> See 1561_Duplicating_the_Installation_Disk.rtf http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/1561.htmld/1561.html wherein it suggests: dd if=/dev/rfd0b of=/tmp/image conv=sync bs=8k I think the conv=sync and the bs=8k is what you really need. There is also the DickCopyII app ftp://ftp.next.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/disk/DiskCopyII.NI.b.tar.gz that provides a GUI way to do this. TjL
From: root@guzzibill.cadvision.com (guzzibill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Can anyone suggest a replacement hard disk for a color slab? Date: 31 Jul 1997 22:44:43 GMT Organization: CADVision Development Corp. Message-ID: <5rr4gr$12kq@elmo.cadvision.com> References: <5rl1il$eu7$1@news2.charm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: larry@lkba.com In <5rl1il$eu7$1@news2.charm.net> Larry Blische wrote: > I'm running NeXTSTEP 3.3 on a color slab. I'm afraid my hard disk is on it's > last legs as it sometimes won't spin up when I turn on the machine. > > Does any have suggestions on a replacement drive? > I guess I'm looking for a 2 GB drive to avoid any problems with partitions > that are too big. > What is Ultra SCSI? > I have a SafetyNet backup, what's the best recovery procedure? > Is any of this written down anywhere? > I have a turbo colour slab with the following replacement drive that was literally plug & play with the old internal drive bay & power source. QUANTUM FIREBALL_TM2110S I have the cdrom & the boot diskette so I could load the operating system onto the new disk & then using SafetyNet create an archive on the new drive & restore directories into the larger space at will. -- Bill Scollard Calgary, Canada Scollard Holdings Ltd. "Computer Systems : Cradle-to-Grave"
From: Ali Asad Lotia <lotia@toastman.us.itd.umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: befuddled new user Date: 1 Aug 1997 02:10:14 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <5rrgi6$b4q$1@newbabylon.rs.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello all, i am using a color turbo slab (ADB) and have been having problems getting the machine to run. i have (i think solved most of the hardware problems, however, i am still having quite a few difficulties. first of all, getting to the system monitor is quite a pain because my keyboard does not have the tilde key on the numeric keypad. it has a large command bar at the bottom of the keyboard and i do not always make it to the rom monitor, it takes several attempts and is a hit or miss system (using command+right alt key+tilde). i am a little lost regarding what "YP" refers to when the network stuff is starting up at boot booting in NS3.3, i have also been having problems configuring my machine for the net. my machine hangs while displaying "starting yp network" (or something like that) when booting after i have added the local settings to my host manager app. if anyone could let me know how to translate the terminologies for the host manager local configuration stuff, i would also be quite thankful,. i have the ip address, the router address, the name server addresses, can get the ethernet number for the card in the machine. i would appreciate an email at lotia@umich.edu, unfortunately NeXTMail is not an option... yet! thanks, ali asad lotia -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "It's better to be a pirate than to join the navy." --Steve Jobs -- off the AppleJedi website http://www.saracen.com:80/ajp1c.html _____________________________________________________________________________ ali asad lotia lotia@umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: From NeXT to eternity...? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EE57rw.nCy@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:40:44 GMT References: <33DA90D9.ADE@holly.colostate.edu> <5rg8am$11r@mpaque.mpaque> <5rhtko$64v$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5rhtko$64v$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com>, Timothy J. Luoma <nospam+next@luomat.peak.org> wrote: > >Am I right in thinking that this must be a hardware thing, rather than a >software thing? Otherwise all the NeXTs would have it, right? > Yes, auto power-on is a hardware thing. My cube can't do it but my slab can. They're running the same version of the OS and both have v66 ROM monitors. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: [NeXTcube] 3 or more SCSI devices internally? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EE57wH.G0r@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:43:29 GMT References: <5rjie6$9f9$1@darla.visi.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5rjie6$9f9$1@darla.visi.com>, David Young <dwy@ace.net> wrote: >So, the SCSI cable and the power supply only provide two connectors. Is this >a hint that I shouldn't try to stuff more than two devices inside? With a >modified mounting screwhole set, a tray style CD slides neatly out the unused >OD slot on my turbo cube.... > Provided you deal with the heat you should be fine. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: jmccutch@lynx.dac.neu.edu (jeffrey mccutchen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 1 Aug 1997 05:15:01 GMT Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Message-ID: <5rrrcl$u2k@chaos.dac.neu.edu> Summary: duel boards Keywords: Cube multiprocess Hi, I would like to know from some hardware gurus if the cube will take more than one cpu board and work in a multiprocessor configuration? I knew of someone who put more than one in but he set it up as different machines ie no multiprocessor just etherneted them together. He said he had modified his motherboard to do this. Can anyone give me some info on this? I don't know technical aspects of Next hardware. Also, will Nextstep and the black hardware deal with a 68060 if I have the voltage coversion socket? Or is their a software issue. thanks, Jeff
From: Aled Davies <aled.davies@bigfoot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ColorStation Turbo and Memory Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 11:54:54 +0000 Organization: PSINet UK Message-ID: <33E1CE8E.5635FAB4@bigfoot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am in the process of buying a second hand NeXT ColorStation Turbo. Could somebody tell me how much memory I can fit into it. I have a brochure for the plain ColorStation which says that you can fit 32Mb. Was this ever enhanced for the Turbo Model. ??? Also does a ColorStation Turbo with 32Mb run NeXTStep 3.3 well (I'll be using the machine for email, word-processing, web-browsing and the odd compilation and graphics work). Also what about OpenStep 4.2 is it worth upgrading to for black hardware. ??? Thanks Aled Davies <aled.davies@bigfoot.com>
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From: Aled Davies <aled.davies@bigfoot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Black Hardware and Y2000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 11:49:23 +0000 Organization: PSINet UK Message-ID: <33E1CD43.B830A6D7@bigfoot.com> References: <33DDCBF2.2555AF63@bigfoot.com> <MnrWUoe00WB_0Ii=A0@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles William Swiger wrote: > > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 29-Jul-97 Black Hardware > and Y2000 by Aled Davies@bigfoot.com > > Does anybody know if any of the Black NeXT Hardware is Year 2000 > > compliant. ?? > > That's a very odd question. > > If you're asking whether the hardware clock inside a NeXT box is going > to fail to roll over correctly circa 2000, the answer is that it's clock > & the kernel time management routines uses the standard Unix timekeeping > format, where time is measured in seconds from "epoch" (Jan 1, 1970) in > a 32-bit field. This will overflow sometime around 2038 or some such. > > -Chuck Thanks, this was exactly what I wanted to know. Aled
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: rmah@angel.net (Robert S. Mah) Subject: Hacking NeXT hardware Organization: Angel Networks, Inc. Message-ID: <EE8qHF.Ks4@nonexistent.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:18:11 GMT I always loved the way NeXT boxes looked -- the cube, the slab, the monitor, the keyboard. But those old 040's...bleah. They seem so slow these days. So...given the inexpensive prices for used NeXT equipment, I was wondering if it would be possible to take the case and replace the innards with new equipment. I use a Mac at home, and luckily these days, you can even buy raw mother- boards (from Motorola) and use, pretty much off-the-shelf parts to build your own Mac. I'd like to try to do this using a NeXT cube or slab as the case. Does anyone know where I could find detailed schematics of the physical layout of the NeXT case? In addition, if I recall correctly, the monitor is attached using a special cable. Anyone know where I could find the pinouts and such for the monitor cable? Cheers, Rob
From: colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Black Hardware and Y2000 Date: 1 Aug 1997 16:39:14 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Message-ID: <5rt3fi$9b@news.tamu.edu> References: <33DDCBF2.2555AF63@bigfoot.com> <5rm9uc$2kt$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 1997 16:39:14 GMT Timothy J. Luoma <nospam+next@luomat.peak.org> wrote: >There are no year 200 difficulties with any UNIX-based system, or with any >OS/software designed by someone with enough foresight to look beyond the >next paycheck. You will however find that Preferences.app and the default supplied 'date' (at least under NS3.3) do not know how to set dates past 1999 -- if you try it with 2000 or 00 they jump back to 1970. I'm told that the gnu date program allows 4-digit year settings. I don't know whether a patched version of Preferences.app is available. If you set the date for 1999 and let it rollover to 2000 automatically, all goes fine (although I have not tested this through a reboot, which I'm told one should do to be sure). -- Colin Allen http://snaefell.tamu.edu/~colin/
From: J.Penning@t-online.de (J. Penning & G. Gabbert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Q: Partitioning 4,3GB HD for DOS&NX 3.3 Date: 31 Jul 1997 23:12:24 GMT Organization: Telekom Online Internet Gateway Message-ID: <5rr64o$pn7$1@news01.btx.dtag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi folks, I´m running NSfIP 3.3 and just don´t know how to partition my new 4,3GB SCSI-HD. This is what I want: - 750 MB DOS primary - 1,25 GB DOS extended (using 2 or so logical drives) - 2 GB for Nextstep I understand that it does not work to fdisk it this way, because Next cannot install on the 3rd partition. When I tried to make the 2GB for Next the 2nd partition (and DOS ext the 3rd), I was able to install, but checking the readily installed disk I found out that it was only about 600MB. So what? - Can I use /etc/disktab (as told in Nextanswers 1533) to partition the disk for use with DOS? - Should I divide the 2GB for Next into smaller pieces? Any help is appreciated, Joerg. -- Joerg Penning, Student of comp. science at the University of Hamburg email penning@uni-hamburg.de
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From: "Eric M. Aldrich I" <ealdrich@wavequest.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Cube ROMs Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:29:07 -0700 Organization: WaveQuest Message-ID: <33E26333.19BA@wavequest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What changes besides ADB support were made to the later turbo cube ROMs? How significant were these changes? What was the final released ROM version? Eric -- Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, Section 227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is construed as being sent to a fax machine and subject to a $500 fine. Make my day.
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From: Weston@icentral.com (Weston Cann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Wanted: NS software, advice, hardware Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:30:20 -0700 Organization: No. Message-ID: <Weston-2607971730200001@annex-slip-00.math.byu.edu> I'm started looking into joining the NeXT/OPENSTEP world a few days ago when I came across some hardware for sale (2 25 Mhz 68040 stations,8 Mb Ram, no HD, 1 monitor, $225. 1 powers up). Since I don't know a whole lot about the specifics of the platform, I've spent the last 48 hours or so reading just about anything I could find online. I've learned more, but I've still got a few questions I'm hoping for help with. First of all, since there's no hard drives included in this offer, and the guy doesn't have a CD with the OS stuff on it, I need to go looking. I'd rather start with something old/used... NS 3.x/Developer or so. I've found a bunch of hardware dealers on the net, but nobody mentioning they sell this. Anybody have a copy they want to sell? Or want to direct me to someone who does? Also, I'm primarily interested in obtaining hardware for the purpose of learning/playing with NeXT development and doing audio/DSP work. What kind of hardware/software is really going to be suffecient for tasks like this? Peripherals & tools? I've read about a "Sound Box" but am not quite sure what this is, and I'm still not quite clear on what development tools are part of the OS package. Finally, if you have some black hardware you'd like to part with around my price range (about $200, but possibly up to the $350 area, including shipping), that you think might fit my purposes, feel free to contact me. And I apologize if any of the questions asked in this post seem to be of a clue-challenged nature. Least I spared you all questions on what I did learn from my days of reading up. Thanks in advance, Weston Oh. One more thing. Anyone know of a history of versions and corresponding features of NeXT/Openstep releases? ____________________________________________________ weston@icentral.com "The best laid plans of mice and men http://www.math.byu.edu/~cann/ are about equal." Please reply to the icentral.com address.
From: pkamatthew@aol.com (Pkamatthew) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: I need advice! Date: 2 Aug 1997 08:43:23 GMT Message-ID: <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com hello NeXT community, I'm about to join you and I was needing some advice. I've followed NeXT since the beginning but only in the past couple of months have I tried to fully orient myself with NeXT hardware/software. I've read through the web pages and user groups but there are still a few things I'd like to know before I make my purchase: I am probably going to buy a Turbo station (NS3.3) with 32 megs, 1gig HD, and a NeXT Laser printer. Is 32 megs max for a turbo as I've been led to believe? I want to be able to access the net for mail, user groups, and web pages. is the turbo station sufficient for this? (I do want to view full color pages with jpegs, gifs and the like but I am not too particular on speed-a good deal of the time text only will be fine.) How many colors can a Turbo display anyway? Which brings up another question: the 21" Hitachi is only a hundred bucks more than the 17" Trinitron. I'm used to the Mac, where the VRAM supports less colors the more real estate you have. And web browsing aside, do 21" monitors cause any performance hit on the system? I'm used to 14" so anything more will make me happy. What do you recommend? 17" or 21" I would appreciate some recommendations also on modems. I would like to at least go at 33.6. Which brands will work, and is it hard to find drivers for them? Also, I will probably use OmniWeb. Is it difficult to connect to ISP's with NeXT? I confess I'm a little ignorant as I've only used university ethernet connections and AOL for telephone access. Also, I want to get a CD ROM drive. Could I just get one made for the mac with SCSI connection? And then look for a driver? I'd like to just get an used cheap drive (2X) as speed I imagine won't matter much. I own a SCSI Zip drive for Mac and am curious whether its just a matter of finding a driver to hook it up. Would I also need a SCSI cable convertor? I guess I oughta have a terminator too if I chain it with the CD ROM drive. Will I be able to read Zip disks that have been Mac formatted? How good is Mac/DOS reading/file transfers with NeXT? As far as software goes: are the on-line public domain/shareware libraries much good? What are some essential apps to have? I'm not the total power user type, but I don't want entry level software. Where's a good place to look? Oh, yeah, one more thing. Is it hard to acquire toner for the NeXT printers? Oh, yeah, one last thing: I'm planning to order from Spherical Solutions. They seem all right. Any good/bad experiences? Wow, damn, I think that's all. I extend my deepest thanks to whoever takes the time to answer at least some of these questions. I greatly appreciate it. Matthew D. Minnix Norman, OK (please post back to this thread, i'm about to loose my present email address)
From: pok@prometheus.digital-rain.com (pok) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: laserwriter + localtalk + intel openstep? Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 10:39:50 GMT Organization: Client of Internet Portal Services Message-ID: <5rv2pr$kch@thoth.portal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Summary: .. I've got an Apple Personal LaserWriter 320 with only a LocalTalk port available. I've been asking around town, and most people tell me there's no way to use the localtalk port as a plain-old serial port. A buddy has suggested that the Farallon phone net card might do the trick for me -- but of course, wouldn't I need drivers for the farallon product, and does such a driver exist for Intel Openstep? So the short of it: is there a way to make a localtalk printer talk to an Intel box running OpenStep? Thanks in advance. =) -Wilson
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From: dm537@interpia.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I need advice! Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 12:20:52 GMT Organization: INTERPIA Message-ID: <33e32605.4454113@news.interpia.net> References: <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> On 2 Aug 1997 08:43:23 GMT, pkamatthew@aol.com (Pkamatthew) wrote: >I am probably going to buy a Turbo station (NS3.3) with 32 megs, 1gig HD, >and a NeXT Laser printer. > >Is 32 megs max for a turbo as I've been led to believe? Turbo Color has limit up to 128megs. > >I want to be able to access the net for mail, user groups, and web pages. > is the turbo station sufficient for this? (I do want to view full color >pages with jpegs, gifs and the like but I am not too particular on speed-a >good deal of the time text only will be fine.) How many colors can a Turbo >display anyway? NeXTSTEP has good enviroment for Internet surf. Ofcourse it's pretty different point of view to Windows Internet enviroment. As I know Turbo Color has 24bit color set. (I read the mag.) > >Which brings up another question: the 21" Hitachi is only a hundred bucks >more than the 17" Trinitron. I'm used to the Mac, where the VRAM supports >less colors the more real estate you have. And web browsing aside, do 21" >monitors cause any performance hit on the system? I'm used to 14" so >anything more will make me happy. What do you recommend? 17" or 21" In my opinion, 21" is better than 17", 'cause small display square may make you stop using NeXTSTEP. (But it ain't gonna happen.) > >I would appreciate some recommendations also on modems. I would like to at >least go at 33.6. Which brands will work, and is it hard to find drivers >for them? Also, I will probably use OmniWeb. Is it difficult to connect to >ISP's with NeXT? I confess I'm a little ignorant as I've only used >university ethernet connections and AOL for telephone access. It's not hard as intalling Win95 on your PC. > >Will I be able to read Zip disks that have been Mac formatted? How good is >Mac/DOS reading/file transfers with NeXT? NeXTSTEP has capability reading/writing in MAC/DOS format. I think it's just so so. KATUSA TRAINING ACADEMY Camp Humphreys, EUSA, Korea CPL Hong, J. S., ROKA
From: andydunn@op.net (Andy Dunn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I need advice! Date: 2 Aug 1997 14:42:32 GMT Organization: OpNet -- Greater Philadelphia Internet Service Message-ID: <5rvh0o$do7$2@picasso.op.net> References: <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pkamatthew@aol.com In <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> Pkamatthew wrote: > hello NeXT community, > I'm about to join you and I was needing some advice. > I've followed NeXT since the beginning but only in the past couple of > months have I tried to fully orient myself with NeXT hardware/software. > I've read through the web pages and user groups but there are still a few > things I'd like to know before I make my purchase: > > I am probably going to buy a Turbo station (NS3.3) with 32 megs, 1gig HD, > and a NeXT Laser printer. > > Is 32 megs max for a turbo as I've been led to believe? > > I want to be able to access the net for mail, user groups, and web pages. > is the turbo station sufficient for this? (I do want to view full color > pages with jpegs, gifs and the like but I am not too particular on speed-a > good deal of the time text only will be fine.) How many colors can a Turbo > display anyway? The NeXT is plenty fast for internet-based stuff. NeXT Mail is included with the system, there are plenty of free/shareware news readers, and OmniWeb is free for personal use. The turbo color is, if memory serves, a12-bit color system ( + 4-bit alpha) ==> 4096 colors. > > Which brings up another question: the 21" Hitachi is only a hundred bucks > more than the 17" Trinitron. I'm used to the Mac, where the VRAM supports > less colors the more real estate you have. And web browsing aside, do 21" > monitors cause any performance hit on the system? I'm used to 14" so > anything more will make me happy. What do you recommend? 17" or 21" > The difference between the 17" and 21" is the size of the pixels, not the number. At 17", you get ~91 dots per inch for the 1120 x 832 monitor. At 21", you get the same number of pixels, which drops the resolution to 72 dots per inch (Mac standard). There is no color-depth loss in going to the larger monitor and no loss in system performance. Which you prefer depends on you eyesight on your physical strength (the 21" monitor is NOT light). > I would appreciate some recommendations also on modems. I would like to at > least go at 33.6. Which brands will work, and is it hard to find drivers > for them? Also, I will probably use OmniWeb. Is it difficult to connect to > ISP's with NeXT? I confess I'm a little ignorant as I've only used > university ethernet connections and AOL for telephone access. I am writing this from my NeXT at home. I connected to my ISP with minimal troubles, and they don't even claim to support UNIX systems. SLIP and PPP are available. I'm running a 14.4 kpbs modem, so I can't comment on higher speeds, but I got this one from a Mac mail order company. No drivers are needed, since the NeXT already supports modems. Fax-modems sometimes require a bit more work if you want to use the fax capabilities. > > Also, I want to get a CD ROM drive. Could I just get one made for the mac > with SCSI connection? And then look for a driver? I'd like to just get an > used cheap drive (2X) as speed I imagine won't matter much. > No need to look for a driver -- the NeXT already supports it. Using it as a CD-ROM is trivial, and probably any Mac drive would work. Some of the drives aren't compatible with the audio CD player app that NeXT includes. I bought a dirt-cheap 2x drive and have been quite pleased. > I own a SCSI Zip drive for Mac and am curious whether its just a matter of > finding a driver to hook it up. Would I also need a SCSI cable convertor? > Not even a converter really, just the right cable. And the NeXT can read the Mac-formatted ZIP's as well, so you can exchange data trivially. You also have the option of reformatting the ZIP disks to NeXT format, if you so desire. Again, no driver is needed since the NeXT already recognizes removable SCSI drives. You just plug it in and turn it on. It's that simple. > I guess I oughta have a terminator too if I chain it with the CD ROM > drive. > Most CD-ROM drives come with a terminator for just such circumstances. > Will I be able to read Zip disks that have been Mac formatted? How good is > Mac/DOS reading/file transfers with NeXT? > See above for the Mac ZIP answer. DOS support seems to be only for floppies and CD-ROMs. I haven't heard of anyone using DOS ZIPs. > As far as software goes: are the on-line public domain/shareware libraries > much good? What are some essential apps to have? I'm not the total power > user type, but I don't want entry level software. Where's a good place to > look? > Go to ftp://next-ftp.peak.org Enormous amounts of software are out there. > Oh, yeah, one more thing. Is it hard to acquire toner for the NeXT > printers? > Trivial. I got mine at Office Max for $49.95. Let me know if you need a list of compatible cartidges. > Oh, yeah, one last thing: I'm planning to order from Spherical Solutions. > They seem all right. Any good/bad experiences? > > Never tried them, so I don't know.
From: Valentino_Kyriakides@public.uni-hamburg.de (Valentino Kyriakides) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to use Tandberg SCSI tape with Black 3.2 ? Date: 2 Aug 1997 15:03:18 GMT Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany Message-ID: <5rvi7m$cu6$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> References: <33E0BDAD.4D1B@geocities.com> You (Rebecca <beccaray@geocities.com>) wrote in newsgroup comp.sys.next.software, on Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:30:38 -0400: > Hi all, > > I have a Tandberg 250 meg SCSI tape drive that is being unusable with my > turbo color station. Any suggestions on how to get it to work. I know > there is a way becasue I've used it before, but the script that set it > up got eaten in the Hard Drive crash. Any help on this would be greatly > appreciated. > Well, assuming that you correctly connected your Tandberg streamer to the SCSI-bus (termination set if it is the last device in line, otherwise disabled?), there should be no problem in accessing or using this streamer. You have to use the following devices "/dev/rst0" or "/dev/nrst0" with one of the following programs: "tar" or even better "gnutar" - for writing/reading tar-archives "mt" if you want to control (position, rewind etc.) the tape "cpio" - another sort of archiving program "dump / restore" for writing/restoring backups (Take a look at the man-pages of the above mentioned programs!) If you want the tape to automatically rewind to the beginning after writing or reading something, use the "/dev/rst0" device. Otherwise use the non- rewinding "/dev/nrst0" device. Some examples: gtar cvf /dev/nrst0 file1 file2... <--- puts some files into 1 tape archiv mt -f /dev/nrst0 rewind <--- this rewinds the tape to the beginning gtar xvf /dev/nrst0 file1 file2... <--- restores back some files from tape archiv mt -f /dev/nrst0 fsf 2 <--- positions forward to the 3'rd tape archiv NOTE: When using the "mt back space count files (bsf)" option with a Tandberg QIC streamer, you have to use the following scheme in order to position correctly to the startmark of an archive: ...say your tape is at the beginning of the 5'th tar archive and you would like to position to the beginning of the 3'rd. Then you have to position 3 positions back and 1 forward to exactly hit the 3'rd mark! (see supplied script) Here is a little interactive shell-script program which uses "gnutar" and "mt" for storing/retrieving tar-archives etc.! You can put it somewhere in your execution path and make it executable, then you can use it in/from a terminal! ========================= CUT HERE ===================================== #!/bin/sh # @(#) Tapeutility v1.0; # @(#) (c) 1994 V.Kyriakides # @(#) Valentino Kyriakides: 1kyriaki@informatik.uni-hamburg.de ### Change the following var-settings for your needs! TAR=/usr/bin/gnutar MT="/bin/mt -f" NTAPE=/dev/nrst0 TAPE=/dev/rst0 OPTREAD=xvf OPTWRITE=cvf ####################### Menues MainMenue () { clear echo "+--------------------+" echo "| T A P E u t i l |" echo "|--------------------|" echo "| a - About TAPEutil |" echo "| i - Info Settings |" echo "|--------------------|" echo "| c - Contents Menu |" echo "| p - Position Menu |" echo "| r - Read Menu |" echo "| w - Write Menu |" echo "| t - Tape Copy |" echo "| q - Quit to Shell |" echo "+--------------------+" echo -n "\nYour choice --> " } PosMenue () { clear echo "+-------------------------+" echo "| Tape Position |" echo "|-------------------------| " echo "| r - Rewind the tape |" echo "| f - Forward count files |" echo "| b - Back count files |" echo "| q - Quit this Submenu |" echo "+-------------------------+" echo -n "\nSelection ---> " } ContentsMenue () { clear echo "+-------------------------+" echo "| Tape Contents |" echo "|-------------------------|" echo "| c - Count Archives |" echo "| a - List actual Archive |" echo "| l - List all Archives |" echo "| q - Quit this Submenu |" echo "+-------------------------+" echo "\nSelection ---> \c" } ReadMenue () { clear echo "+-----------------------+" echo "| Tape Read |" echo "|-----------------------| " echo "| r - Read Archive |" echo "| q - Quit this Submenu |" echo "+-----------------------+" echo -n "\nSelection ---> " } WriteMenue () { clear echo "+-----------------------+" echo "| Tape Write |" echo "|-----------------------| " echo "| w - Write Archive |" echo "| q - Quit this Submenu |" echo "+-----------------------+" echo -n "\nSelection ---> " } CopyMenue () { clear echo "+-----------------------+" echo "| Tape Copy |" echo "|-----------------------| " echo "| f - From Archive |" echo "| t - To Archive |" echo "| q - Quit this Submenu |" echo "+-----------------------+" echo -n "\nSelection ---> " } ####################### Quit stuff ... About () { clear echo "This is T A P E u t i l v.1.0" echo "(c) 1994 by V.Kyriakides" echo echo Return } ####################### Quit stuff ... Info () { clear echo "These are T A P E u t i l's actual settings:" echo "--------------------------------------------" echo echo "The used tape archiver is TAR=$TAR" echo "The used magnetic tape is MT=$MT" echo "The used nonrewinding tape device NTAPE is $NTAPE" echo "The used rewinding tape device TAPE is $TAPE" echo "$TAR 's read options are OPTREAD=$OPTREAD" echo "$TAR 's write options are OPTWRITE=$OPTWRITE" echo echo "--------------------------------------------" echo "NOTE: The above tape options and some others used in the script," echo "may be changed to fullfill other configurations, or your personal" echo "needs !" echo echo Return } ####################### Quit stuff ... Return () { echo -n "RETURN, please" read Key } ####################### Rewinding Rewind () { clear echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind echo "status: Tapestart reached!" echo "status: done" echo Return } ####################### Forward count steps Forward () { clear po=1 echo echo -n "Number of forward count steps [default=1] ? " read po if [ "$po" = "" ] then po=1 fi echo echo "status: Position Tape $po count steps forward..." echo $MT $NTAPE fsf $po 2>/dev/null if [ $? = "0" ] then echo "status: Tape position is now $po steps behind the previous position" echo "status: done" else echo "status: Tape reached during the forward positioning the End-Mark!" echo "status: (End-Mark reached) Positioning-Stop!" fi echo Return } ####################### Back count steps Back () { clear no=$1 po=$no echo echo -n "Number of back count steps [default=1] ? " read no po=$no if [ "$po" = "" ] then po=2 no=1 else po=`expr $po + 1` fi echo echo "status: Position Tape $no count steps back..." echo $MT $NTAPE bsf $po 2>/dev/null $MT $NTAPE fsf 1 2>/dev/null if [ $? = "0" ] then echo "status: Tape position is now $no steps before the previous position" echo "status: done" else echo "status: Tape reached during the back positioning the Tape-Start!" echo "Status: (Tape-Start reached) Positioning-Stop!" fi echo Return } ####################### Count Archives Count () { clear sel="_" echo -n "After performing the Archive count, [r]ewind or [n]ot rewind the Tape ? " read sel echo echo "Rewinding..."; $MT $TAPE rewind; echo "status: Tape-Start reached" no=0 echo "status: Search the Tape for Archive files..." while $MT $NTAPE fsf 1 2>/dev/null # Fehlerumleitung auf's Null-device do if [ $? = "0" ] then no=`expr $no + 1` fi done echo "=====================================" echo "The Tape contains ($no) Tar-Archives !" echo "=====================================" if [ $sel = 'n' ] then echo "status: Tape is now behind the last Tar-Archiv" else echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind echo "status: Tape-Start reached" fi echo "status: done" echo Return } ####################### Actual Archive List ActualList () { clear sel="_" echo -n "After listing the contents, [r]ewind or [n]ot rewind the Tape ? " read sel echo echo "---------------------------------------------------------------------" echo "The actual Tar-Archiv contains the following files..." echo "---------------------------------------------------------------------" if [ $sel = 'n' ] then $TAR vtf $NTAPE 2>/dev/null # Fehlermeldung aufs Null-device umlenken else $TAR vtf $TAPE 2>/dev/null # Fehlermeldung aufs Null-device umlenken fi echo "---------------------------------------------------------------------" echo Return } ####################### List Tape Contents List () { clear sel="_" no=0 echo -n "After listing the contents, [r]ewind or [n]ot rewind the Tape ? " read sel echo echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind while : do ans=`$TAR vtf $NTAPE 2>/dev/null` # Fehlermeldung aufs Null-device umlenken if [ "$ans" = "" ] then echo "status: ...no more Tar-Archives found" echo "================================================" echo "The Tape contains ($no) Tar-Archives !" echo "================================================" if [ $sel = 'r' ] then echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind 2>/dev/null echo "status: Tape-Start reached" else echo "status: Tape is now behind the last Tar-Archiv" fi echo "status: done" echo exit 1 else no=`expr $no + 1` echo echo "---------------------------------------------------------------------" echo "The $no 'Tar-Archiv contains the following files..." echo "---------------------------------------------------------------------" echo "$ans" echo "---------------------------------------------------------------------" echo echo "status: ...search for another Archive..." fi done Return } ####################### Read Tape Archive ReadArchiv () { clear echo if [ "$1" = "" ] then echo -n "Welches Tar-Archiv (1,..,n) soll gelesen werden [Enter=aktuelles]? " read POS no=$POS if [ "$POS" = "" ] then echo echo "status: Aktuelles Tar-Archiv wird gelesen..." echo $TAR $OPTREAD $NTAPE echo echo "status: Band befindet sich hinter dem eben gelesenen Tar-Archiv!" else echo echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind sleep 3 echo "status: Positioniere das Band an das $no'te Tar-Archiv..." if [ "$POS" = 1 ] then echo else POS=`expr $POS - 1` $MT $NTAPE fsf $POS 2>/dev/null echo fi echo "status: Das $no'te Tar-Archiv wird gelesen..." echo $TAR $OPT $TAPE sleep 3 echo echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind echo "status: Bandanfang erreicht" fi echo "status: done" echo else POS=$1 no=$POS echo echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind sleep 3 echo "status: Positioniere das Band an das $no'te Tar-Archiv..." if [ "$no" = 1 ] then echo else POS=`expr $POS - 1` $MT $NTAPE fsf $POS 2>/dev/null echo fi echo "status: Das $no'te Tar-Archiv wird gelesen..." echo $TAR $OPT $TAPE sleep 3 echo echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind echo "status: Bandanfang erreicht" echo "status: done" echo fi Return } ####################### Write Tape Archive WriteArchiv () { clear FILES=$1 clear echo if [ "$1" = "" ] then echo echo "Welche Datei(en)...sollen aufs Band geschrieben werden [Enter=Abbruch]?" echo echo -n "=> " read FILES echo if [ "$FILES" = "" ] then echo echo "status: Abbruch, keine Datei(en) geschrieben!" echo exit 1 else set $FILES fi fi ABBRUCH="" for i do if [ ! -r $i ] then echo "status: kann $i nicht finden!" ABBRUCH=1 fi done if [ "$ABBRUCH" = "1" ] then echo "status: Abbruch, keine Datei(en) geschrieben" echo exit 1 fi FILES=$* if [ -r $FILES ] then echo -n "An welche Bandposition (1,..,n) soll geschrieben werden [default=aktuelle]? " read POS no=$POS if [ "$POS" = "" ] then echo echo "$FILES werden an die aktuelle Bandposition geschrieben..." echo $TAR $OPTWRITE $NTAPE $FILES echo echo "status: Band befindet sich hinter dem eben geschriebenen Tar-Archiv!" else echo echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind sleep 3 echo "status: Positioniere das Band an die $no'te Bandposition..." if [ "$POS" = 1 ] then echo else POS=`expr $POS - 1` $MT $NTAPE fsf $POS 2>/dev/null echo fi echo "status: $FILES werden an die $no'te Bandposition geschrieben..." echo $TAR $OPT $NTAPE $FILES sleep 3 echo echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind echo "status: Bandanfang erreicht" fi echo "status: done" echo fi Return } ####################### Tape Copy From CopyFrom () { clear DIR=~/tmp clear echo "KOPIE VOM BAND AUF DIE FESTPLATTE" echo echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind mkdir $DIR if test -w $DIR then echo "status: habe $DIR zur Dateiaufnahme angelegt!" cd $DIR else echo "FEHLER: Das Verzeichnis $DIR konnte nicht angelegt werden," echo "evtl. haben Sie keine Zugriffsrechte fuer diese Operation!" echo echo "Druecken sie <Return> fuer Programmabbruch!" read DUMMY echo Return fi no=0 echo "status: Bandarchive in $DIR schreiben..." echo "----------------------------------------------------------------------------" while : do dd if=$NTAPE of=tpfile$no bs=10k if [ ! -s tpfile$no ] then rm tpfile$no echo "status: ...Bandlesefehler, habe keine weitere Datei gefunden" echo "----------------------------------------------------------------------------" echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind echo "status: Das Band befindet sich am Bandanfang" echo "status: done" echo exit 1 else echo echo "status: vom Band ==> tpfile$no geschrieben..." echo no=`expr $no + 1` fi done Return } ####################### Tape Copy To CopyTo () { DIR=~/tmp clear echo "KOPIE VON DER FESTPLATTE AUF DAS BAND" echo echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind if test -r $DIR then echo "status: springe ins Verzeichnis $DIR" cd $DIR else echo "FEHLER: Das Verzeichnis $DIR wurde nicht gefunden!" echo echo "Druecken sie <Return> fuer Programmabbruch!" read DUMMY echo exit 1 fi no=0 echo "status: Dateien aufs Band schreiben..." echo "----------------------------------------------------------------------------" while : do if [ ! -f tpfile$no ] then echo echo "status: keine weitere Datei gefunden" echo "----------------------------------------------------------------------------" echo "Rewinding..." $MT $NTAPE rewind echo "status: Das Band befindet sich am Bandanfang" echo "status: done" echo exit 1 else echo echo "status: tpfile$no ==> Band schreiben..." echo dd if=tpfile$no of=$NTAPE bs=10k no=`expr $no + 1` fi done Return } ####################### Access Contents Menu Contents () { Item="_" while [ $Item != 'q' ] do ContentsMenue read Item case $Item in 'c') Count;; 'a') ActualList;; 'l') List;; '') echo "Nothhing selected"; Item="_"; Return;; esac done } ####################### Access Positioning Menu Position () { Item="_" while [ $Item != 'q' ] do PosMenue read Item case $Item in 'r') Rewind;; 'f') Forward;; 'b') Back;; '') echo "Nothhing selected"; Item="_"; Return;; esac done } ####################### Access Read Menu Read () { Item="_" while [ $Item != 'q' ] do ReadMenue read Item case $Item in 'r') ReadArchiv;; '') echo "Nothing selected"; Item="_"; Return;; esac done } ####################### Access Write Menu Write () { ItemL="_" while [ $ItemL != 'q' ] do WriteMenue read ItemL case $ItemL in 'w') WriteArchiv;; '') echo "Nothing selected"; Item="_"; Return;; esac done } ####################### Access Copy Menu Copy () { ItemL="_" while [ $ItemL != 'q' ] do CopyMenue read ItemL case $ItemL in 'f') CopyFrom;; 'f') CopyTo;; '') echo "Nothing selected"; Item="_"; Return;; esac done } ####################### Main Thing="_" while [ $Thing != 'q' ] do MainMenue read Thing case $Thing in 'a') About;; 'i') Info;; 'c') Contents;; 'p') Position;; 'r') Read;; 'w') Write;; 't') Copy;; '') echo "Nothing selected"; Thing="_"; Return;; esac done ========================= CUT HERE ===================================== Hope this helps? Valentino ________________________________________________________________ Valentino Kyriakides Universitaet Hamburg, FB. Informatik Arbeitsbereich Softwaretechnik ________________________________________________________________ E-Mail: 1kyriaki@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (ASCII, MIME) NeXTmail: Valentino_Kyriakides@public.uni-hamburg.de ________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: RAM For Mono Station Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EE7E34.I0H@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:52:16 GMT References: <5rnoec$bco$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5rnoec$bco$1@gryphon.phoenix.net>, Charles Phillips <phillips@shell.c-com.net> wrote: >Is there something I am missing?? I have a mono station that has 4 RAM >slots, but the station takes the memory from a color station. Is this >possible or perhaps am I hallucinating? > These are 72-pin slots, right? Then it's a Turbo-based system. I don't recall the required speed, although if it's a 33MHz machine (likely, if it's Turbo-based) then 70ns gives you a speed boost. >I have another mono station board that takes a smaller (3.75 in) SIMM - >the one that you need a pair of pliers :-) to get out. Actually I use a >prybar. > Paperclips work well. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: Atindra Chaturvedi <atindra@mindspring.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help with Turbo NeXTDimension Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 11:51:46 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <33E365A1.10E7@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Turbo NeXTDimension with NeXTtv installed. How do I get sound when I play video with NeXTtv from my VCR. Is the only way to plug the audio out from the VCR directly to a speaker/amp ? TIA. Atindra.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: ColorStation Turbo and Memory Message-ID: <EEAH4E.H2@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <33E1CE8E.5635FAB4@bigfoot.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:50:35 GMT In article <33E1CE8E.5635FAB4@bigfoot.com> Aled Davies <aled.davies@bigfoot.com> writes: > I am in the process of buying a second hand NeXT ColorStation Turbo. > Could somebody tell me how much memory I can fit into it. I have > a brochure for the plain ColorStation which says that you can fit > 32Mb. Was this ever enhanced for the Turbo Model. ??? > The maximum is 128 MB (four 32 MB SIMMs). > Also does a ColorStation Turbo with 32Mb run NeXTStep 3.3 well > (I'll be using the machine for email, word-processing, web-browsing > and the odd compilation and graphics work). Also what about OpenStep > 4.2 is it worth upgrading to for black hardware. ??? > NS 3.3 at 32 MB on a TurboColor? It creaps quite well. But if you try to do memory intenvise things it will soon start to limp. I never regretted to have upgraded to 80 MB! OS 4.2 on black instead of NS 3.3? That depends. In most cases you'd probably feel no difference. But if you want to support development it might be indispensable... -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5 Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I need advice! Date: 2 Aug 1997 18:03:28 GMT Organization: @Home Networks Message-ID: <5rvspg$3h9$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pkamatthew@aol.com In <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> Pkamatthew wrote: > I am probably going to buy a Turbo station (NS3.3) with 32 megs, 1gig HD, > and a NeXT Laser printer. > > Is 32 megs max for a turbo as I've been led to believe? No, I think the 32ram/max was for non-turbos. Ask Spherical Solutions before you buy. > I want to be able to access the net for mail, user groups, and web pages. > is the turbo station sufficient for this? (I do want to view full color > pages with jpegs, gifs and the like but I am not too particular on speed-a > good deal of the time text only will be fine.) How many colors can a Turbo > display anyway? The turbo station is sufficient for this, however you will need to setup some type of Internet connection, most likely PPP. There is a mailing list for that. > Which brings up another question: the 21" Hitachi is only a hundred bucks > more than the 17" Trinitron. I'm used to the Mac, where the VRAM supports > less colors the more real estate you have. And web browsing aside, do 21" > monitors cause any performance hit on the system? I'm used to 14" so > anything more will make me happy. What do you recommend? 17" or 21" 21" is well worth the effort, but be warned you'll never go back again. I've been using a 17"/16" for 5 years now and can't stand anything smaller. > I would appreciate some recommendations also on modems. I would like to at > least go at 33.6. Which brands will work, and is it hard to find drivers > for them? You don't need drivers with black hardware, that's one of the many beauties of it. You WILL need a special modem-cable, ask Spherical about it. > Also, I will probably use OmniWeb. Is it difficult to connect to > ISP's with NeXT? I confess I'm a little ignorant as I've only used > university ethernet connections and AOL for telephone access. The difficulty is usually only setting up PPP initially. You want a full PPP account, with just about any ISP... make sure they have a 30-day guarantee just in case. > Also, I want to get a CD ROM drive. Could I just get one made for the mac > with SCSI connection? And then look for a driver? I'd like to just get an > used cheap drive (2X) as speed I imagine won't matter much. You don't need drivers with black hardware, that's one of the many beauties of it. (didn't I hear that before?) Any SCSI-CD-ROM will work.... if you want sound you might post again specifically asking for recommendations on CDs that are supported for that... I've never done it, personally. > I own a SCSI Zip drive for Mac and am curious whether its just a matter of > finding a driver to hook it up. Would I also need a SCSI cable convertor? You don't need drivers with black hardware, that's one of the many beauties of it. You may need a DB-25 or Centronics to SCSI-1 (the ZIP drive) cable. I'm not 100% sure what the cable is called. Ask Spherical. > I guess I oughta have a terminator too if I chain it with the CD ROM > drive. Yes. > Will I be able to read Zip disks that have been Mac formatted? Yes, and floppies and HDs too. > How good is Mac/DOS reading/file transfers with NeXT? Not sure what you mean... it works fine, except you'll have to get an app that can read certain files like Word, etc. > As far as software goes: are the on-line public domain/shareware libraries > much good? *harumph* Well _I_ think so, but then again I might be biased. ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/ and ftp://peanuts.leo.org/pub/next/ are the two main ones. > What are some essential apps to have? I'm not the total power > user type, but I don't want entry level software. Where's a good place to > look? The 2-ftp sites above. However, I'd recommend looking at one or more of the CD collections. The Peanuts FTP site also has a 4-cd set, there's the "Big Green CD Set" (3 CDs), and "Nebula" (2 CDs) which are all pretty current. You can find much more about them at my web page. > Oh, yeah, one more thing. Is it hard to acquire toner for the NeXT > printers? Nope. They use a standard HP toner cart. > Oh, yeah, one last thing: I'm planning to order from Spherical Solutions. > They seem all right. Any good/bad experiences? Hey, you said 'one more thing' twice ;-) Spherical is great, they've been around for a long time and have a very solid reputation. Have you seen my web page? http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ ? You can find info on the CDs as well as the Printer, and a lot of bookmarks as well. Welcome to the wonderful word of NeXT hardware.... TjL
From: Toshinao Ishii <ici@giocoso.osk.threewebnet.or.jp> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: laserwriter + localtalk + intel openstep? Date: 03 Aug 1997 04:04:47 +0900 Organization: 3Web internet service Message-ID: <x6k9i4e78w.fsf@giocoso.osk.threewebnet.or.jp> References: <5rv2pr$kch@thoth.portal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII pok@prometheus.digital-rain.com (pok) writes: > So the short of it: is there a way to make a localtalk printer talk to an > Intel box running OpenStep? There is a ISA card for LocalTalk. See http://www.copstalk.com . There is a driver (drivers) for Linux but I do not know about one for OPENSTEP. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Toshinao Ishii email: ici@osk.threewebnet.or.jp (NeXTMAIL/MIME Welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Fimi-Philips monitor questions Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EE7nH5.z3@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:15:04 GMT References: <19970730172601.NAA25423@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <19970730172601.NAA25423@ladder02.news.aol.com>, NeXTJoe <nextjoe@aol.com> wrote: >Hi, > >I've noticed that the Fimi-Philips monitor on my Color Station may have a >problem. If the monitor is turned off and then immediately turned back on, >the screen will remain dark. I have to wait about 5 seconds after shutting >off the monitor before turning it back on in order for the picture to >return. Is this normal? or is my monitor dying? > I've seen many monitors that do this--my guess is big caps that have to discharge before they will let you fire it up again. Anyway, waiting five seconds is likely a good idea anyway. :) >Also, what is the purpose of the button on the left of the monitor with >the jagged screen icon? When pressed it makes the image briefly shimmer. >My not-so-educated guess is that it degausses the monitor. Can anyone help >me on this? > That'd be it. This raises a question, to me at least. We all know that there are Trinitron 17" monitors and Hitachi 21" monitors (I *really* like my Hitachi, except for the fan noise that I complain about constantly but never get around to fixing...) and Fimi 17" monitors. Deepspace claims that there are Phillips 17" monitors too and that the Fimi ones don't have brightness/contrast knobs. Is this true? I'm actually pretty impressed with my Phillips/whatever 17" monitor that I got from them. Nice and sharp, although heavier than I would have expected. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Fimi-Philips monitor questions Date: 2 Aug 1997 23:13:32 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5s0eus$s7c$1@news.istar.ca> References: <19970730172601.NAA25423@ladder02.news.aol.com> <EE7nH5.z3@novice.uwaterloo.ca> In-Reply-To: <EE7nH5.z3@novice.uwaterloo.ca> On 07/31/97, David Evans wrote: > This raises a question, to me at least. We all know that there are >Trinitron 17" monitors and Hitachi 21" monitors (I *really* like my >Hitachi, except for the fan noise that I complain about constantly >but never get around to fixing...) and Fimi 17" monitors. Deepspace >claims that there are Phillips 17" monitors too and that the Fimi >ones don't have brightness/contrast knobs. >Is this true? I have one of these Fimi 17" monitors. It does not have brightness or contrast knobs, only a power button and degauss. You can, of course, adjust the brightness using the keyboard controls (just like a NeXT mono display). The Fimi's aren't the best monitors in the world, but are certainly usable. They tend to have a warm color-tone and can't display red-based colors very well--the red comes across as somewhat dark. -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul C. Samson -==- jsamson@istar.ca (NeXTmail & MIME welcome) -=============- http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jeanpaul -=============- -===================================================================- "Microsoft is a fact of life. They're like the air we breathe. Perhaps a better analogy is bottled water, because you have to buy it." -- Steve Jobs, Apple Computer's Worldwide Developers Conference, May 16th, 1997 -===================================================================-
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <2376869976046@digifix.com> Date: 3 Aug 1997 03:53:39 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <9060870580820@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. 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Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. 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From: "Hunter Hillegas" <timebomb@west.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Which Way Do We Go? Which Way Do We Go? Date: 2 Aug 97 18:50:17 +0000 Organization: West.Net Communications Message-ID: <B00931F7-103F0@205.254.225.39> References: <5rp307$jbf@bolivia.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rhapsody Premiere won't be out until Christmas and then Unified will be released next Summer... The upcoming release is a developer release...
From: tfu@bigfoot.com (Thomas F. Unke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I need advice! Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:14:43 GMT Organization: Disorganization Message-ID: <1997Aug2.161443.1742@gamelan.shnet.org> References: <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5rvh0o$do7$2@picasso.op.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: andydunn@op.net In <5rvh0o$do7$2@picasso.op.net> Andy Dunn wrote: > The NeXT is plenty fast for internet-based stuff. NeXT Mail is included with > the system, > there are plenty of free/shareware news readers, and OmniWeb is free for > personal use. Well, Mail, ftp, news etc. is fine with a Next m68k. Actually I prefer it to everything I have seen on Win or even Linux. BUT: Using Omniweb as a WWW browser is definitely not recommended except for a short look at some page. The problems: 1. It is slow 2. It is really slow 3. Too slow 4. No Java For WWW you had better use a PC and Netscape. BTW: The best and fastest WWW browser for Next-m68k is LYNX. Plain old ASCII, no pictures. LYNX is fast, even on the old cubes or slabs.
From: cann@math.byu.edu (Weston Cann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: DSP & development info Date: 29 Jul 1997 20:46:12 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <5rlkqk$2sr@hamblin.math.byu.edu> I'm looking into buying some black hardware for two reasons: to play with the development environment, and to play with the DSP/Audio tools. I'd like to hear from some people who've done these things. What software/hardware setup am I really going to need in order to do what I want? I'm especially concerned about the DSP aspects.... knowing things like what/if black hardware can do real time, how expensive software might be for such things, what's needed to insure quality audio input/output. Have you used other platforms for DSP? How do they compare? What about multi-track digital recording/mixing? Have you used other platforms for development? (My guess with this crowd is a definite yes, so...) How do they compare? What hardware is necessary and available for MIDI interfacing? So, NeXT advocates and naysayers, here's you're chance to influence a person who's on the fence, maybe forever changing the history of computing with your own $.02. Well, influencing a purchase, at least. And if you've got cheap hardware for sale, here's your chance to pitch it. :) Thanks in advance for any info. Weston Weston@byu.edu Weston@icentral.com
From: Karl M. Prager <charlie@ecs.co.at> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Q: Who repairs NeXT hardware in Austria? Date: 3 Aug 1997 12:24:44 GMT Organization: ECS - Electronics & Communications Systems Ges.m.b.H. Message-ID: <5s1tac$107$1@news.atnet.at> Cc: charlie@ecs.co.at Thak you for any hint! Charlie -- /* --------------------------------------------------- ECS - Electronics & Communications Systems Ges.m.b.H. Karl M. Prager, Dept. TA-SW (Software Development) Internet eMail : <charlie@ecs.co.at> --------------------------------------------------- */
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Help with Turbo NeXTDimension Message-ID: <EEBz8n.1tD@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <33E365A1.10E7@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 09:19:35 GMT In article <33E365A1.10E7@mindspring.com> Atindra Chaturvedi <atindra@mindspring.com> writes: > I have a Turbo NeXTDimension with NeXTtv installed. How do I get sound > when I play video with NeXTtv from my VCR. Is the only way to plug the > audio out from the VCR directly to a speaker/amp ? > No way on NeXT hardware. Video and audio capabilities aren't coordinated. They are provided by separate units, i.e. the ND board and the DSP on the main board. And they have no connection. The only way to use a ND Cube like a TV set is if you connect the sound channel of the video source directly to a audio amp. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
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From: skwong@mae.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai-kee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: My blackjet (NeXTprinter) is printing dirt ? Date: 3 Aug 1997 19:46:15 GMT Organization: Engineering Faculty CUHK Message-ID: <5s2n67$cqk@eng-ser1.erg.cuhk.edu.hk> I haven't used the NeXT 400dpi laser printer for a year. Now it prints with dirt on paper. The symptom is the printout contains phatom from the same content in the same page or previous page with repetition rate like the circumference of a big roller. I'm using single side used paper, but I tried new paper too. How can I fix this problem ? Thanks Mr.Sai-Kee Wong
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Cube ROMs Date: 2 Aug 1997 01:37:34 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5ru30u$dr3$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> References: <33E26333.19BA@wavequest.com> In article <33E26333.19BA@wavequest.com>, Eric M. Aldrich I <ealdrich@wavequest.com> wrote: >What changes besides ADB support were made to the later turbo cube ROMs? >How significant were these changes? What was the final released ROM >version? Thing I can name off the top of my head: can boot from CD-ROM. It's 3.3 V74. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue M/S 44UR Enterprise Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.1053 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company
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From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Which Way Do We Go? Which Way Do We Go? Date: 4 Aug 1997 02:02:08 GMT Message-ID: <19970804020201.WAA19801@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <B00931F7-103F0@205.254.225.39> I'd like to see NeXT release an add-on for Rhapsody which restores the NeXT interface/aesthetic, and all of the tools which Apple will be forced to strip out of the NeXT Generation Mac OS, i.e. Digital Webster, Shakespeare, Oxford's Quotations, etc. I'm guessing Fax support and NeXTMail are history as well. What would be ideal would be to add in emulator technology so as to make it then possible to run old Motorola software (a la the current Mac PPC/68K emulation) as well--this would be the perfect upgrade path for people with back hardware. I know I'd pay dearly for this--could be a real money-maker, but maybe also embarrassing to Apple's Human Interface department? William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I need advice! Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:22:08 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <cntHnE600UzxQ2X7FY@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 2-Aug-97 I need advice! by Pkamatthew@aol.com > Is 32 megs max for a turbo as I've been led to believe? No-- the max is 128 MB using four 32 MB 72-pin SIMM's running @ 70 ns. > I want to be able to access the net for mail, user groups, and web pages. > is the turbo station sufficient for this? (I do want to view full color > pages with jpegs, gifs and the like but I am not too particular on speed-a > good deal of the time text only will be fine.) The machine will be good to great for everything except web browsing, and it will be okay for that. An Intel box running Netscape is a better web browser due to the wider availability of plug-ins, Java support, and so forth. > How many colors can a Turbo display anyway? 4096. It uses a 16-bit per pixel format with 4 bits for the R, G, B and A channels (A == alpha, or transparancy). > Which brings up another question: the 21" Hitachi is only a hundred bucks > more than the 17" Trinitron. I'm used to the Mac, where the VRAM supports > less colors the more real estate you have. And web browsing aside, do 21" > monitors cause any performance hit on the system? I'm used to 14" so > anything more will make me happy. What do you recommend? 17" or 21" The 17" is much lighter than the 21", but the 21" is a better monitor in terms of color quality. > I would appreciate some recommendations also on modems. I would like to at > least go at 33.6. Which brands will work, and is it hard to find drivers > for them? You don't need drivers-- all you need is a RS-423 cable, which is necessary to do hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) required to operate at high speeds. Turbo machines seem to be able to operate reliably up to 38.4, and some can do 56K most of the time, but the latter seems to depend on machine load, data compression rates, and so forth. If you want to go faster, there is the DSP port-- there's a discontinued ISDN adaptor for it. > Also, I will probably use OmniWeb. Is it difficult to connect to > ISP's with NeXT? I confess I'm a little ignorant as I've only used > university ethernet connections and AOL for telephone access. You can use either PPP or SLIP, which requires some effort to configure, but there is a great deal of help available. > Also, I want to get a CD ROM drive. Could I just get one made for the mac > with SCSI connection? And then look for a driver? I'd like to just get an > used cheap drive (2X) as speed I imagine won't matter much. No driver required. Any SCSI CD-ROM drive will work, if you get the right cable. The NeXT has a mini 50-pin connector on it-- sometimes referred to as a 50-pin SCSI-2 or Sun SPARCstation cable. > I own a SCSI Zip drive for Mac and am curious whether its just a matter of > finding a driver to hook it up. Would I also need a SCSI cable convertor? No driver required. Works fine. > I guess I oughta have a terminator too if I chain it with the CD ROM > drive. Yes. > Will I be able to read Zip disks that have been Mac formatted? Yes. > How good is Mac/DOS reading/file transfers with NeXT? It works fine. > As far as software goes: are the on-line public domain/shareware libraries > much good? What are some essential apps to have? I'm not the total power > user type, but I don't want entry level software. Where's a good place to > look? Other people have answered that. > Oh, yeah, one more thing. Is it hard to acquire toner for the NeXT > printers? No. They use what used to be called an EPS cartridge, now known by some HP number I don't remember. > Oh, yeah, one last thing: I'm planning to order from Spherical Solutions. > They seem all right. Any good/bad experiences? They are a very good company. Just talk to them, and tell them what hardware you want to put together and ask them what you'll need to make it work, and they'll do their best to ensure that you get it. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cs4w@andrew.cmu.edu | standard disclaimer ----------------+---------------------+--------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: klaus@chemlab.unm.edu (Klaus Kunze) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Parity error after power failure (SCSI bus defect?) Date: 4 Aug 1997 16:18:05 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Message-ID: <5s4vbt$lq4$1@lynx.unm.edu> A 1 second power failure didn't do any good to my b/w Nextstation, to which only a ZIP drive is attached to through the SCSI port. When I try to boot with this configuration the boot process fails and it shows the following message: sc: parity error sc: parity error When there is nothing connected to the SCSI port the computer boots fine. What is damaged? (I already tried another ZIP drive, but that didn't solve the problem). Thanks for your input. Klaus -- ********************************************************* Klaus Kunze, Ph.D Nanochem Research Inc. 3740 Hawkins, Albuquerque NM 87109 Phone: (505) 342-1942 E-mail (NeXTmail): klaus@chemlab.unm.edu E-mail: kunze@nano-chem.com *********************************************************
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <nospam+next@luomat.peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Which Way Do We Go? Which Way Do We Go? Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:56:51 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970804105357.25563A-100000@kira> References: <B00931F7-103F0@205.254.225.39> <19970804020201.WAA19801@ladder02.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: WillAdams <willadams@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19970804020201.WAA19801@ladder02.news.aol.com> On 4 Aug 1997, WillAdams wrote: > I'd like to see NeXT release an add-on for Rhapsody which restores the > NeXT interface/aesthetic, and all of the tools which Apple will be forced > to strip out of the NeXT Generation Mac OS, i.e. Digital Webster, > Shakespeare, Oxford's Quotations, etc. Shakespear and Oxford's haven't been in since 3.3, I don't see why they would come back. Webster really really really ought to be included... it's a must-have... > I'm guessing Fax support and NeXTMail are history as well. ?? Fax support? They'd have to be 3 shades of brain-dead to remove that. NeXTMail, it has been said (speculated) will survive... No reason why not, it is still far superior to MIME > What would be ideal would be to add in emulator technology so as to make > it then possible to run old Motorola software (a la the current Mac > PPC/68K emulation) as well--this would be the perfect upgrade path for > people with back hardware. That would be nice.... but I doubt it would happen... but it would be very nice.... heck I'd like an emulator for my Intel/OpenStep machine so I didn't have to NXHost TjL
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From: "Oliver Darvall" <9417958@pukrs3.puk.ac.za> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Isa Bus Date: 4 Aug 1997 15:34:39 GMT Organization: University of Potchefstroom Message-ID: <01bca0ec$90dc1640$1a04a8c0@Merlin.puk.ac.za> Hi Is there anybody that knows where I can find the layout of a standard pc bus on a pentium motherboard Oliver Darvall
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: "Initializing System" on OS 4.2 hangs ThinkPad 755C Date: 4 Aug 1997 15:44:41 GMT Message-ID: <19970804154400.LAA24454@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com I'm trying to install OPENSTEP 4.2 for Mach Academic (purchased directly from NeXT) on my ThinkPad 755C (486 DX4/75, 20MB RAM, 328 MB HD) attached to a ThinkPad Dock I (with the built-in Future Domain 850 SCSI controlled disabled and an Adaptec 1515 card on IRQ 11) with a NeXT SCSI CD-ROM (internally a Sony unit). It recognizes everything correctly (I'm using the Adaptec 6x60 driver and the EIDE and ATAPI Device Controller) loads everything from the CD-ROM, then kills all processes, reboots and loads OPENSTEP. It eventually brings up the "Initializing System" screen, and hangs 3 pixels shy of being 1/8th done--I've let it stay there for hours--it does suspend after 45 minutes or so, and I have to wake it up. I've tried it 4 or 5 times now, with identical results, booting up in verbose mode, also partitioning the drive and setting aside some space for DOS, etc. I'd be obliged at any suggestions you can offer--I'm hoping to get the system up and running in color so I can composite some images using WetPaint for a print job. William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Which Way Do We Go? Which Way Do We Go? Date: 4 Aug 1997 20:21:53 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5s5dl1$ipk$1@news.digifix.com> References: <B00931F7-103F0@205.254.225.39> <19970804020201.WAA19801@ladder02.news.aol.com> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970804105357.25563A-100000@kira> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970804105357.25563A-100000@kira> On 08/04/97, "Timothy J. Luoma" wrote: > >On 4 Aug 1997, WillAdams wrote: > <snip> >> I'm guessing Fax support and NeXTMail are history as well. > >?? Fax support? They'd have to be 3 shades of brain-dead to >remove that. > >NeXTMail, it has been said (speculated) will survive... No reason >why not, it is still far superior to MIME Mail.app will most likely survive.. I question keeping NeXTMail format though. Its not available on other platforms. MIME can be used to do alot of what NeXTMail provides even though the current implementation doesn't. HTML support would cover off the remaining issues. -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: Robert Gibson Jacobs <rjacobs@voyager.Stanford.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Hard drive failure -- how to salvage data Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:46:57 -0700 Organization: Stanford University Sender: rjacobs@apollo1.Stanford.EDU Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.970804143752.7258A-100000@apollo1.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I came into the office today only to find a dead hard drive. Lots of biosread and superblock errors upon reboot (could it be anything else?). I get 'Error reading drive C:' errors booting into DOS so the hard drive is the likely culprit (only 1.5 years old!). I have good backups, but would like to get a couple more files and a list of the apps I have to reinstall to save some time later. I tried to boot into single user mode and get the files from there but can't. Anything else I can try? I don't need much, but would just like to peruse and get a few things before I junk it. Thanks. rjacobs@vk.stanford.edu
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <luomat@peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Hard drive failure -- how to salvage data Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:20:26 -0400 Organization: IAASCAT Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.96.970804201736.26160E-100000@luomat.peak.org> References: <Pine.HPP.3.95.970804143752.7258A-100000@apollo1.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Robert Gibson Jacobs <rjacobs@voyager.Stanford.EDU> In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.95.970804143752.7258A-100000@apollo1.Stanford.EDU> [csn.sysadmin removed] On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Robert Gibson Jacobs wrote: > I have good backups, but would like to get a couple more files and a list > of the apps I have to reinstall to save some time later. I tried to boot > into single user mode and get the files from there but can't. Anything > else I can try? I don't need much, but would just like to peruse and get > a few things before I junk it. Do you have another bootable drive from which you could boot and see if you could repair the disk from there? If not, have you tried just running fsck on it (I wasn't sure from your post). TjL
From: bestor@cs.wisc.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT monitor freq question Date: 5 Aug 1997 04:28:08 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <5s6a4o$12fk@news.doit.wisc.edu> I have a question about the vertical sync of NeXT monitors. I've read (NeXT FAQ 5.26) that the old non-ADB color NeXT monitors are 68Hz whereas the newer ADB monitors are 72Hz. I have a NeXTdimension with an old N4001 FIMI, and a new ADB Turbo Color with an N4006 Trinitron. However, I have found that I can put the newer Trinitron (72Hz) on the NeXTdimension (68Hz?) and it works fine. I can also put the older FIMI (68Hz) on the Turbo Color (72Hz?) and it works OK too. I notice _no_ visible problems in either configuration. I assume the NeXTdimension and Turbo Color aren't self-adjusting, so what gives? Are these monitors really fixed frequency, or is it just that the frequencies are "close enough" that the monitor can still sync? This also begs the question: can you run the older so-called 68Hz fixed frequency monitors at a higher refresh rate, or is this asking for trouble? Can anyone give any insight into this? I'm a little perplexed, - Gareth --- Gareth Bestor bestor@cs.wisc.edu Computer Sciences Department http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~bestor University of Wisconsin-Madison
From: greg davis <gregor@crosslink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Dimension Color Monitor replacement - PC monitor work? Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:05:32 -0400 Organization: FMA Message-ID: <33E8769C.49E0@crosslink.net> References: <jcl-0508971108160001@luby-mac.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "James C. Luby" <jcl@apl.washington.edu> James C. Luby wrote: > > My NeXT 17" color monitor is on its last legs and I'd like to replace it > with a color monitor that could also be used on a PC (should my NeXT ever > die!). I'd like to know if this is possible and, if so, what monitors are > recommended. My monitor is connected to a NeXTDimension board in case > this matters. > > Thanks! > > Jim Luby I have the Hitachi 21" NeXT monitor, and it is great. You will not believe the difference with the bigger monitor. I highly recommend the Hitachi, and it will work on a PC with the right video card. Deepspace Technologies has the Hitachi's for around $250.00 plus shipping. Http://www.deepspacetech.com Regards Gregor
From: tfu@bigfoot.com (Thomas F. Unke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: My blackjet (NeXTprinter) is printing dirt ? Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:20:12 GMT Organization: Smoke GmbH - Das erste Krematorium im Internet Message-ID: <1997Aug4.212012.390@online.de> References: <5s2n67$cqk@eng-ser1.erg.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: skwong@mae.cuhk.hk In <5s2n67$cqk@eng-ser1.erg.cuhk.edu.hk> Wong Sai-kee wrote: > I haven't used the NeXT 400dpi laser printer for a year. Now it prints > with dirt on paper. The symptom is the printout contains phatom from > the same content in the same page or previous page with repetition rate > like the circumference of a big roller. I'm using single side used paper, > but I tried new paper too. > > How can I fix this problem ? 1. Try cleaning the printer. 2. If 1. doesn't help, get new toner. Especially if your present toner is several years old, there is a good chance that it produces dirt.
From: "Jeffrey Flowers" <jeffreyf@MCIONE.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Laptop Hard Drives Date: 5 Aug 1997 19:23:54 GMT Organization: EYE Productions Message-ID: <01bca1ab$3468e360$f73437a6@dagdagh> Is there an adapter that would allow a 2.5" laptop hard drive to be used in a normal PC? I want to install NS 3.3 unto the drive and then transfer the drive to the laptop, where it would be booted and then configured? Jeffrey Flowers ----------------------- There is no freedom without freedom of speech
From: "Georges Tarbouriech" <aeroport.biarritz@hol.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to use Tandberg SCSI tape with Black 3.2 ? Date: 6 Aug 1997 17:31:44 GMT Message-ID: <01bca28d$d8dafd10$07ac2ac0@pcdev> References: <33E0BDAD.4D1B@geocities.com> Rebecca <beccaray@geocities.com> a écrit dans l'article <33E0BDAD.4D1B@geocities.com>... > Hi all, > > I have a Tandberg 250 meg SCSI tape drive that is being unusable with my > turbo color station. Any suggestions on how to get it to work. I know > there is a way becasue I've used it before, but the script that set it > up got eaten in the Hard Drive crash. Any help on this would be greatly > appreciated. > > Peace, > > James > Hi James, I may have a part of the answer; I use a Tandberg Panther 5000 and I spent some time to make it work on a Next station. It seems to be a problem of size of blocks. So, first try a cpio or find -cpio command; the answer usually is : "can't read input". Then, type a cpio -itv </dev/your dev; same answer as before . Rewind the tape (let's say you're using nrst0, for instance) typing : "mt -f /dev/your dev rewind". Last, change the blocksize : stblocksize -v /dev/your dev; the answer is :blocksize has been set to 0 . At that time, you can retype the first command, either cpio or find; it should work ! At least I hope. Probably, there are others and better solutions, but this is the only one I found. Usually, your streamer works fine as long as you don't stop the computer; of course after a new start, you'll have to do the same again ! Good luck Georges Tarbouriech
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From: swabjob@aol.com (SwabJob) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Looking for original cube w/ monitor, kb, mouse Date: 7 Aug 1997 00:48:56 GMT Message-ID: <19970807004800.UAA09442@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Hi all! I'm interested in finding one of the original 25Mhz '030 cubes with monitor, mouse and kb. Partially for nostalgia, but mostly for the fact that I've always thought that the NeXT was an amazing piece of engineering though I've never been able to afford one. Could anybody point me towards reliable sources for used NeXT machines or, if you've got one for sale, send me some details? Thanks! Christopher J. Scott Christopher.Scott@bsh.com or SwabJob@aol.com
From: dinse@catatac.niehs.nih.gov (Gregg E. Dinse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 2-headed display on Intel hardware Date: 6 Aug 1997 22:26:32 GMT Organization: NIEHS Message-ID: <5satmo$d4i$1@jeeves.niehs.nih.gov> Keywords: 2 monitors, multi-headed display Hi, I am interested in a 2-headed display on an Intel-based system running NEXTSTEP 3.3. The two option that I know about are the ELSA and Matrox video cards. Can anyone comment on a 2-headed system? Is one of these cards a better choice than the other? The help file for the Matrox Millennium says that extra displays must go to the right of the primary display. This is the opposite of what I'm used to with my 2-headed NeXT dimension system. It seems awkward to have the dock on the right side of the primary display, but to the left of the secondary display (i.e. in the middle of the desktop). I could not find any mention of such a restriction with the ELSA card. Can the primary display be on either side when using ELSA cards? Thanks in advance for any help. Bye, Gregg Dinse 919-541-4931 dinse@catatac.niehs.nih.gov
From: owolf@NOSPAMpdnt.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ColorStation Turbo and Memory Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 01:12:15 -0500 Organization: Orange Wolf Software Message-ID: <owolf-ya02408000R0708970112150001@news.pdnt.com> References: <33E1CE8E.5635FAB4@bigfoot.com> <EEAH4E.H2@nidat.sub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <EEAH4E.H2@nidat.sub.org>, Peter.Nitezki@bku.db.de wrote: >In article <33E1CE8E.5635FAB4@bigfoot.com> Aled Davies ><aled.davies@bigfoot.com> writes: >> I am in the process of buying a second hand NeXT ColorStation Turbo. >> Could somebody tell me how much memory I can fit into it. I have >> a brochure for the plain ColorStation which says that you can fit >> 32Mb. Was this ever enhanced for the Turbo Model. ??? >> >The maximum is 128 MB (four 32 MB SIMMs). > >> Also does a ColorStation Turbo with 32Mb run NeXTStep 3.3 well >> (I'll be using the machine for email, word-processing, web-browsing >> and the odd compilation and graphics work). Also what about OpenStep >> 4.2 is it worth upgrading to for black hardware. ??? >> >NS 3.3 at 32 MB on a TurboColor? It creaps quite well. But if you try to >do memory intenvise things it will soon start to limp. I never regretted >to have upgraded to 80 MB! > >OS 4.2 on black instead of NS 3.3? That depends. In most cases you'd >probably feel no difference. But if you want to support development it >might be indispensable... I've tried installing two 32 Meg SIMMs from my Mac including two 4 Meg SIMMs in the other bank and my Color Turbo wouldn't boot. In fact the display was all screwed up (very hard to describe), but the machine purrs along just fine with two 4 Meg SIMMs from another Mac. Will Color Turbos only take certain types of 16 meg SIMMs? Scott Johnson
From: "Xmas Timer" <hoho@myhome.here> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: P200 $109 ! 16MB RAM $70 !! Date: 7 Aug 1997 05:39:42 GMT Organization: Customer of Telecom Internet Services Message-ID: <01bca2f4$3ca07580$a76b60cb@garrett> Hey everyone ! Check out Millinneum Computers if you are thinking of buying any hardware. They have everything ! Real low prices too, the best I have seen. Like a P200 chip for $109 !!! How cool is that ??!! Check them out at the url below > http://millinneum.simplenet.com
From: Aled Davies <aled.davies@bigfoot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: My blackjet (NeXTprinter) is printing dirt ? Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:42:50 +0000 Organization: Connectivity (but not content) by PSINet UK Message-ID: <33E9989A.C8E85125@bigfoot.com> References: <5s2n67$cqk@eng-ser1.erg.cuhk.edu.hk> <1997Aug4.212012.390@online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas F. Unke wrote: > > In <5s2n67$cqk@eng-ser1.erg.cuhk.edu.hk> Wong Sai-kee wrote: > > I haven't used the NeXT 400dpi laser printer for a year. Now it prints > > with dirt on paper. The symptom is the printout contains phatom from > > the same content in the same page or previous page with repetition rate > > like the circumference of a big roller. I'm using single side used paper, > > but I tried new paper too. > > > > How can I fix this problem ? > > 1. Try cleaning the printer. > > 2. If 1. doesn't help, get new toner. Especially if your present toner is > several years old, there is a good chance that it produces dirt. How easy is it these days to get toner for the NeXT laser, or does it take some kind of standard cartrige. ?? Aled
From: Christian Neuss <neuss@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.NOSPAM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Can anyone suggest a replacement hard disk for a color slab? Date: 7 Aug 1997 11:10:34 GMT Organization: Technische Hochschule Darmstadt Message-ID: <5scafa$r6q$1@sun27.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <5rr4gr$12kq@elmo.cadvision.com> <5rr9ha$g2e@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> jon@haveman.org (Jon Haveman) wrote: >guzzibill writes >> I have a turbo colour slab with the following replacement drive that >> was literally plug & play with the old internal drive bay & power source. >> >> QUANTUM FIREBALL_TM2110S > >I'll second this. I just tossed one in my turbo colour slab and it was a >no-brainer. No troubles whatsoever. Same here. It Just Works :-) in addition, it's a very quiet drive, and unlike most 7200 rpm drives, it doesn't get very hot, which is an important property for stations (especially color stations) due to the very tight space. Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472
From: sneal@ichips.intel.com (Scott M. Neal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: US Robotics Sportster Voice for Mac on '040 hardware Date: 5 Aug 1997 23:17:23 GMT Organization: Intel Development Labs, INTeL Corporation Message-ID: <5s8ca3$k02$1@news.or.intel.com> I just bought a US Robotics Sportster Voice/FAX modem for Mac, and am in the process of putting together an '040-compatible serial cable for it (DIN8 to DIN8). However, the modem does not have separate DTR/RTS signals (they are a combined pin). Should I wire-or the NeXT's DTR/RTS pins to the Sportster's DTRTS pin, or connect RTS to DTRTS, or connect DTR to DTRTS, or go out and get the PC version of the modem? Scott PS The modem works fine with the supplied cable on my '030 cube (at 9600 baud or less, of course!)
From: caseymck@flash.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Matrox Millenium v3.36 driver - where? Date: 6 Aug 1997 18:15:34 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Message-ID: <5saf06$921$1@excalibur.flash.net> NeXTAnswers has details of a v3.36 driver which supports the new Millenium II video board (2164 chip) as well as the original Millenium (2064 chip), but the latest driver in the Beta Driver archive is v3.34. Does anyone have this driver they could e-mail me, or otherwise point me to a source for the driver? Thanks, Casey McKee caseymck@flash.net
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From: "Georges Tarbouriech" <aeroport.biarritz@hol.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to use Tandberg SCSI tape with Black 3.2 ? Date: 7 Aug 1997 18:13:51 GMT Message-ID: <01bca35d$af4ee300$94029ac3@pcdev> References: <33E0BDAD.4D1B@geocities.com> Rebecca <beccaray@geocities.com> a écrit dans l'article <33E0BDAD.4D1B@geocities.com>... > Hi all, > > I have a Tandberg 250 meg SCSI tape drive that is being unusable with my > turbo color station. Any suggestions on how to get it to work. I know > there is a way becasue I've used it before, but the script that set it > up got eaten in the Hard Drive crash. Any help on this would be greatly > appreciated. > > Peace, > > James > Hi James, I may have a part of the answer; I use a Tandberg Panther 5000 and I spent some time to make it work on a Next station. It seems to be a problem of size of blocks. So, first try a cpio or find -cpio command; the answer usually is : "can't read input". Then, type a cpio -itv </dev/your dev; same answer as before . Rewind the tape (let's say you're using nrst0, for instance) typing : "mt -f /dev/your dev rewind". Last, change the blocksize : stblocksize -v /dev/your dev; the answer is :blocksize has been set to 0 . At that time, you can retype the first command, either cpio or find; it should work ! At least I hope. Probably, there are others and better solutions, but this is the only one I found. Usually, your streamer works fine as long as you don't stop the computer; of course after a new start, you'll have to do the same again ! Good luck Georges Tarbouriech
From: ajvw@beige.tn.tudelft.nl (Aart-Jan van Wijngaarden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: videocards and ASUS P55T2P4 Date: 7 Aug 1997 12:47:00 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Faculty of Applied Physics Message-ID: <5scg44$fb1$1@cyber.tn.tudelft.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the moment I have a diamond 64 stealth64 video card (STV 3240, 2Mb VRAM). I want to use a ASUS P55T2P4 board (with cyrix p200+ or p166+ cpu) to update my computer, but this board gives problems with the diamond card during booting. A matrox millenium videocard has proven to work, but is quite expensive. Has anyone prove that a cheaper videocard works with the ASUS board or can anyone recommend a motherboard that works with a cyrix cpu and a diamond stealth64 videocard ? Thanks very much Aart-Jan -- --------------------------------------------------------------- email: A.J.vanWijngaarden@CTG.TUDelft.nl WWW: http://wwwak.tn.tudelft.nl/~ajvw Phone: (31) (0)15 2785188 Fax: (31) (0)15 2783251 ( prive: (31) (0)10 4673378 ) Centre for Technical Geoscience Lab. of Seismics and Acoustics Fac. of Applied Physics Delft University of Technology P.O. Box 5046 2600 GA Delft The Netherlands ====================================================================
From: stefan@ping.at (Stefan Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 2-headed display on Intel hardware Date: 7 Aug 1997 21:45:42 GMT Organization: Customer of EUnet/PING Austria Message-ID: <5sdfm6$bt8$1@news.Austria.EU.net> References: <5satmo$d4i$1@jeeves.niehs.nih.gov> In-Reply-To: <5satmo$d4i$1@jeeves.niehs.nih.gov> On 08/07/97, Gregg E. Dinse wrote: >I am interested in a 2-headed display on an Intel-based >system running NEXTSTEP 3.3. The two option that I know >about are the ELSA and Matrox video cards. Can anyone >comment on a 2-headed system? Is one of these cards a >better choice than the other? [...] >I could not find any mention of such a restriction with the >ELSA card. Can the primary display be on either side when >using ELSA cards? Nope. With ELSAs, the primary display is on the left, and the extra display is on the right. So the dock is somewhat exactly in between the two screens. You'll get used to this, though. Just tell the dock to stay behind all other windows. *Iff* Matrox cards work (which I don't know about), then choose those. Me, I've got ELSAs (two 2000PRO/X-2) - they work, but they're ridiculously expensive (about $1000 for the 2-combo). Beware that not all ELSAs work as duo-NEXTSTEP cards. Specifically, the 2000AVI (which are cheapos, relatively) won't. BTW for ELSAs that work, they work with NS/OS 4.1 for Mach, too. - Stefan -- Stefan Schneider Software Dipl.Ing. Stefan Schneider Lerchenfelder St. 85/6 A-1070 Vienna, Austria, Europe voice/fax: +43-1-523-5834 e-mail: stefan@ping.at (NeXTMail preferred, MIME welcome) web: http://members.ping.at/stefan/
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: OPENSTEP and IDE CD-ROM / SCSI Hard Disk Date: 31 Jul 1997 16:52:55 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <5rqft7$3me@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <vV15xDA+kP3zEw5e@netbook.demon.co.uk> In article <vV15xDA+kP3zEw5e@netbook.demon.co.uk> James MacDonald <trill@netbook.demon.co.uk> writes: > In article <5rii82$ase@crcnis3.unl.edu>, Rex Dieter > <rdieter@math.unl.edu> scribbled : > >Really, I thought 4.2 had all the latest drivers/patches? (NOTE: many > >earlier version of OpenStep for Mach (NeXTstep) needed updated drivers) > It is a beta EIDE driver, and has not been included in 4.2 - you can > download the driver from NeXT's web site, or on the Prelude to Rhapsody > page. Then you got a different 4.2 package than I did. Mine included the (newest ?) Dual-IDE-capable-on-install EIDE driver. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: <sales@golightspeed.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Lightspeed Promotional Offer Date: 8 Aug 1997 05:00:06 GMT Organization: Lightspeed Technology Message-ID: <5se94m$or9$42@news.pacificrim.net> Bellingham, WA - August 7, 1997 - Lightspeed Technology today announced a special promotional offer that will give their customers a free 33.6 PCMCIA Data/Fax modem with the purchase of a new Lightspeed laptop computer. The free modem will be included on all 7200 and 8700 series laptop purchases through September 30, 1997. The campaign was launched to help promote the Lightspeed 8700 series Pentium® laptop as well as the new high end 7200 series that can now be purchased with a 233Mhz Intel Pentium® Processor. In addition to blazing speeds, the 7200 offers 512k cache on board, a 4MB graphics card and an outstanding 13.3" XGA active matrix 1024 X 768 video display. The 233 MHz is currently being offered at a special price and a 4-year on-site warranty is also available on all Lightspeed purchases. Lightspeed Technology offers a full range of Pentium laptop configurations and provides speeds ranging from 133MHz to 233Mhz with MMX technology in various models. Complete 32-bit Windows NT workstations are also available. A full range of accessories including cellular compatible modems, ac car adapters and additional hard drives are also available. U.S. Sales: 1-800-234-8836. Outside U.S. 1-360-671-7662. Press information contact: William Roach Marketing Director (360)/671-7662 wroach@golightspeed.com
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From: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Matrox Millenium v3.36 driver - where? Date: 8 Aug 1997 07:20:14 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <5sehbe$2f1$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <5saf06$921$1@excalibur.flash.net> caseymck@flash.net wrote: > NeXTAnswers has details of a v3.36 driver which supports the new > Millenium II video board (2164 chip) as well as the original Millenium > (2064 chip), but the latest driver in the Beta Driver archive is v3.34. > Does anyone have this driver they could e-mail me, or otherwise point > me to a source for the driver? I have the very same question for the OPENSTEP version of this driver. Version 4.05 is advertised in the overview, but only 4.03 (without 2164W support) is available. Marcel --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
From: michael@rumah.pc.my (Michael Olan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: termination of hd's Date: 8 Aug 1997 14:38:19 GMT Organization: Unconfigured Message-ID: <5sfb0r$mmu@news2.jaring.my> Sorry, if this was posted more than 1 time. My PINN seems to be puking my postings on occasions... I'm pretty h/w illiterate. I'm adding a 2nd hd (internal) to a slab according to a method in the peanuts faq. Just plugging it in, makes the slab try to boot from it (its formatted, but no system installed). After booting from the mini-monitor, the 2nd drive shows up in the File Viewer & all seems fine. I know I need to have termination on the 2nd drive, and not the 1st. How do I do this? I remember switching some jumpers WAY back when on a pc, but didn't see anything obvious on these drives. I think the only other thing that needs to be done is to name the new drive? TIA, Mike
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From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NXFax 1.04 Problem? Date: 8 Aug 1997 20:24:49 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <5sfvah$hnj@news.asu.edu> I have encountered a problem with NXFax 1.04 on my NeXT Turbo Colorstation (NTSC) using a SupraSonic 28.8/14.4 kbps data/fax modem that frankly has me battled and seems to be getting progressively worse. I would appreciate learning if this is a known problem or if there is a solution or fix for this. The problem so far seems to occur strictly with receiving incoming faxes from certain machines - usually the problem happens when attempting to receive from newer fax machines or computers. The NXFax software is unable to negotiate these incoming faxes whereas a retransmission to the Sharp fax machine can receive from the source machine without a problem on the same telephone line. Odder still, is the fact that I can successfully transmit faxes to these machines that present this problem for this configuration. On the other hand, trying to receive from said machines is impossible. This is a real pain is not knowing when an incoming source fax being used will caused this problem to arise. I have run into this a whole lot more in recent months. trying to get people to fax you back can be difficult when this failure occurs and NXFax has to be disabled in order to receive from them. Moreover, and seeing as the standalone fax machine is thermal, it would be much nicer to be able to make as many hard copies from using my NeXT printer. I have encountered this problem with the same source fax machines regardless of what line and in what city I set my configuration up in. I even think I tried this a while back with a ZyXEL 1496E modem and still encountered the same problem. Why is this set-up able to successfully transmit faxes to a machine but not receive faxes from the same machine? Thanks to all in advance!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Re: NeXT Dimension Color Monitor replacement - PC monitor work? Message-ID: <cdoutyEEM51D.3G3@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <jcl-0508971108160001@luby-mac.apl.washington.edu> <33E8769C.49E0@crosslink.net> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:00:49 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom19.netcom.com In article <33E8769C.49E0@crosslink.net>, greg davis <gregor@crosslink.net> wrote: >James C. Luby wrote: >> >> My NeXT 17" color monitor is on its last legs and I'd like to replace it >> with a color monitor that could also be used on a PC (should my NeXT ever >> die!). >I have the Hitachi 21" NeXT monitor, and it is great. You will not >believe the difference with the bigger monitor. I highly recommend the >Hitachi, and it will work on a PC with the right video card. Deepspace >Technologies has the Hitachi's for around $250.00 plus shipping. > >Http://www.deepspacetech.com I'll second the recommendation of the 21" Hitachi as a great monitor for the ND. I have two right in front of me. :-) $250 for a $2500 new monitor is a great deal. The only drawbacks are that some units have a load fan, and that you need a fixed scan video card to work on a PC. Most PC video cards require a multiscan monitor. However, I can recommend the Idek Ilyama monitors as absolutely supurb NeXTdimension displays. I used the 9017 model (a 17" tube) on my ND when my PC was having problems. It looked fantastic. The monitors have db-15 and BNC connectors, so all you'd need is a 13W3 to BNC adapter (available from many Sun resellers) to work with an ND. Go for the Hitachi though. At $250 it is cheap enough to just retire when/if your NeXT gives up the ghost. Bigger is better, and size DOES matter. :-) -Chris -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
From: "Lee, Young-Eul" <cyber66@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Plane color monitor with NeXT Dimension...Help me! Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:15:53 +0900 Organization: Korea Telecom Message-ID: <33EB2A19.48D0@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'v bought just before NeXT Cube Dimension from DeepspaceTech. without RAM, Monitor, and Hard Drive. I wanna use my PC's color monitor(SAMSUNG SyncMaster 17GLsi) with Dimemsion board. When I connect Dimension to color monitor via BNC cable, I found nothing happened on monitor. It just saying "check monitor cable". My BNC cable has 4 coaxial plugs R, G, B, and Black color, but my monitor has 5 coxial sockets R, G, B, H/V, and H. Can't I use my monitor with Dimension? If I can, how should I connect? Should I buy 13W3 connector? Lee, Young-Eul.
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From: jcl@apl.washington.edu (James C. Luby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Dimension Color Monitor replacement - PC monitor work? Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 11:08:16 -0700 Organization: APL-UW Message-ID: <jcl-0508971108160001@luby-mac.apl.washington.edu> My NeXT 17" color monitor is on its last legs and I'd like to replace it with a color monitor that could also be used on a PC (should my NeXT ever die!). I'd like to know if this is possible and, if so, what monitors are recommended. My monitor is connected to a NeXTDimension board in case this matters. Thanks! Jim Luby
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From: username@bit.net.au (Mr User-Name) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Magneto Optical Drive (Pinnacle Micro PM650) Date: 5 Aug 1997 22:36:14 GMT Organization: Brisbane Internet Technology Message-ID: <5s89su$nn0$3@hermes.bit.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 We are in Brisbane, Australia, and we have a broken Pinnacle Micro PM-650 Magneto-optical drive (uses the 5.25" Optical cartridges). To repair, we have to send it to the US, but this is quite expensive and anyway we'd rather go to a different backup medium. The problem is, we need to read the data from our existing cartridges. Is there anyone in Australia, preferably in Brisbane, who would be willing to lend or let us use the drive for a couple of days? If you know of anyone who could help, please e-mail me at etss1@bit.net.au.
From: sboker@calliope.psych.nd.edu (Steven M. Boker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Turbo Slab <-> MOTU MicroExpress ? Date: 5 Aug 1997 20:38:16 GMT Organization: University of Notre Dame Message-ID: <5s82vo$bda@news.nd.edu> I've been trying to hook up midi from my Turbo Slab to a MOTU MicroExpress. Has anyone here tried that combination? Thanks, Steve -- Dr. Steven M. Boker 219-631-4941 (voice) sboker@nd.edu 219-631-8883 (fax) http://www.nd.edu/~sboker/ 219-257-2956 (home) Dept. of Psychology, University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame, IN 46556
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Black Hardware and Y2000 Date: 30 Jul 1997 02:46:36 GMT Organization: is overrated Message-ID: <5rm9uc$2kt$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <33DDCBF2.2555AF63@bigfoot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: aled.davies@bigfoot.com In <33DDCBF2.2555AF63@bigfoot.com> Aled Davies wrote: > Does anybody know if any of the Black NeXT Hardware is Year 2000 > compliant. ?? All UNIX is year 2000 compliant. As I wrote last month when this question was asked: There are no year 200 difficulties with any UNIX-based system, or with any OS/software designed by someone with enough foresight to look beyond the next paycheck. The NeXT community has both. The first is the really crucial one, the second can make up for the lack of the first in many cases. Rest easy..... However, be sure you check your MasterCard bill for 100 years worth of interest in Jan 2000...... TjL
From: sjohnson@myriad.net (Stephen Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Hard drive failure -- how to salvage data Date: 5 Aug 1997 23:57:59 GMT Organization: Computer Consulting Intl., LTD Message-ID: <5s8em7$8cl@news.tamu.edu> References: <Pine.HPP.3.95.970804143752.7258A-100000@apollo1.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 1997 23:57:59 GMT Cc: rjacobs@voyager.Stanford.EDU In <Pine.HPP.3.95.970804143752.7258A-100000@apollo1.Stanford.EDU> Robert Gibson Jacobs wrote: > I came into the office today only to find a dead hard drive. Lots of > biosread and superblock errors upon reboot (could it be anything else?). > I get 'Error reading drive C:' errors booting into DOS so the hard drive > is the likely culprit (only 1.5 years old!). > > I have good backups, but would like to get a couple more files and a list > of the apps I have to reinstall to save some time later. I tried to boot > into single user mode and get the files from there but can't. Anything > else I can try? I don't need much, but would just like to peruse and get > a few things before I junk it. > I'm not sure if there is a boot floppy for PCs (check the archives) but try booting from a floppy (or better yet if you can add another hd from which to boot or put the problem hd in a working NEXTSTEP PC) . Here are some tips from the boot floppy package readme - To clean up a damaged filesystem on the scsi disk type "/etc/fsck /dev/rsd0a". See the fsck man page for details. To attempt to mount the scsi disk type "/etc/mount /dev/sd0a /tmp/hd". See the mount man page. If the mount succeeds, you can refer to the hard disk as /tmp/hd. To unmount the scsi, type "/etc/umount /tmp/hd". If you are able to mount your scsi disk, I would suggest you copy important files to floppy disks as soon as possible. To copy files to a (formatted) floppy other than the boot floppy, use the following: /etc/mount /dev/fd1a /tmp/fd cp file(s) /tmp/fd Be prepared to swap floppies quite a bit (the OS will prompt you for the floppy it needs). If you need to write multiple floppies, do a "/etc/umount /tmp/fd" after filling the first floppy. Then repeat the mount process with a new floppy. blessings, Stephen --- Stephen Johnson Computer Consulting Intl, LTD "The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty." Thomas Jefferson
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Which Way Do We Go? Which Way Do We Go? Date: 6 Aug 1997 02:43:40 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <5s8ocs$6kl@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970804105357.25563A-100000@kira> In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.970804105357.25563A-100000@kira> "Timothy J. Luoma" ><nospam+next@luomat.peak.org> writes: > >Webster really really really ought to be included... it's a must-have... You are right. Especially after they wrote the paragraph below (from Contents/Preface), how could they drop it? "Finally, because the dictionary is packaged with the computer, every user and every application will have this Digital Webster at their fingertips and that will be as valuable to a scholar as indoor plumbing is to a homeowner. Because of this, from now on, any computer that lacks a great dictionary will be considered barbaric." I.
From: pryorn@pacifier.com (Nathan Pryor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Monitor Dimensions? Date: 5 Aug 1997 22:53:08 GMT Organization: Pacifier Online Data Service, Vancouver, Wa. ((360) 693-0325) Message-ID: <5s8ask$buk$1@news.pacifier.com> I'm thinking about finally giving up my faithful NeXT station and upgrading to a turbo color. One thing I'm concerned about is the size of the monitor. Not the screen size, but the actual dimensions (and weight, if you happen to know). I'm wondering because I've been involved with a few 17" monitors that were just monsters. Are the color monitors like this or are they more like my beautiful 4000b (about the same size as the 14" PC monitor next to it)? I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me some idea what kind of desk space I'm going to have to give up, and if I'm going to need some structural reinforcements to hold it up. Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Zip Drives on OS4.2 running on Intel Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EEG6t5.MKF@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:53:29 GMT References: <33E11848.2329@object.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <33E11848.2329@object.com>, Eric Bergerson <eb@object.com> wrote: >I just bought a SCSI zip, added it onto my OS4.2 Intel machine and tried >to use it. While the drive works fine, I can't seem to format any of >the Wintel formatted zip drives to an OpenStep filesystem. > >Any suggestions why simply hitting format from Workspace doesn't work >for zip drives? > It works fine for me with 3.3 on black. What errors do you get on the console? -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
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From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <9060870580820@digifix.com> Date: 10 Aug 1997 03:53:41 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <446871185624@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
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From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: CD burners for NeXT Date: 10 Aug 1997 05:59:36 GMT Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <5sjlc8$94e$1@owl.slip.net> Hi, Does anyone have any experience with SCSI CD Burners for NeXT? In my case I'm running a 040/25 cube. Ah, I was at a Computer Fair last month and seen a SCSI CD burner for the Mac and PC selling for 395$ and wonder if I might be able to use that. Um. Does one have to have CD burner specific software to format fundamental CD information to the CD will that take care of itself? Thanks, Emmett
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Other Color printers for black hardware Date: 10 Aug 1997 06:04:22 GMT Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <5sjll6$94e$2@owl.slip.net> Hi, Is the 360 dpi NeXT Color printer the only color printer which can be used with black hardware? Can any of those other printers seen in PrintManager.app be used? Thanks, Emmett
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: US Robotics Sportster Voice for Mac on '040 hardware Date: 10 Aug 1997 06:12:08 GMT Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Message-ID: <5sjm3o$94e$3@owl.slip.net> References: <5s8ca3$k02$1@news.or.intel.com> : PS The modem works fine with the supplied cable on my '030 cube (at 9600 baud : or less, of course!) That should work fine. I'm using an X2 on an 040/25 machine and am using the same cable I used with my 144 SupraFax. With TTYDSP I've connected to my ISP at speeds as high as 50666 but usually the connection 48800. The actual bps upon downloading software ranges from 28800 to 43000. Emmett
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From: swabjob@aol.com (SwabJob) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Questions re. NeXT and NEXTSTEP Date: 10 Aug 1997 14:58:39 GMT Message-ID: <19970810145800.KAA28888@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Sorry to bother everybody with what I'm sure are some fairly stupid questions. I'm interested in getting a NeXT machine but would like to find out a bit more about NEXTSTEP... I was originally interested in getting an 25MHz '030, but I'm now getting the impression that it can only run NEXTSTEP 2.1 - is this true? Also, what was the final, most recent version of NEXTSTEP - 3.3? Any major advantages/disadvantages to having a slab as opposed to a cube? Any models or configs in particular that I should avoid? I'd appreciate hearing your insights...
From: nospam@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD burners for NeXT Date: 10 Aug 1997 16:09:18 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5skp3e$meu$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <5sjlc8$94e$1@owl.slip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: emclean@slip.net In <5sjlc8$94e$1@owl.slip.net> Emmett McLean wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with SCSI > CD Burners for NeXT? In my case I'm running > a 040/25 cube. I wouldn't suggest it, as NS is a multi-tasking OS, and the multi-tasking may cause disruptions in the burn. Win/Mac might do better, since they will focus solely on doing the burn.... This has been a topic of conversation previously, if you want more info TjL
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Questions re. NeXT and NEXTSTEP Date: 10 Aug 1997 16:14:13 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5skpcl$meu$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <19970810145800.KAA28888@ladder01.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: swabjob@aol.com In <19970810145800.KAA28888@ladder01.news.aol.com> SwabJob wrote: > Sorry to bother everybody with what I'm sure are some fairly stupid > questions. It's only stupid if there is some reason you should know the answer. > I'm interested in getting a NeXT machine but would like to find out a bit > more about NEXTSTEP... Nothing stupid about being careful how you spend your money. > I was originally interested in getting an 25MHz '030, but I'm now getting > the impression that it can only run NEXTSTEP 2.1 - is this true? Well, it depend on what you mean by 'run'. You might be able to install and login even 3.3... but it wouldn't "run" as much as "walk".... > Also, what was the final, most recent version of NEXTSTEP - 3.3? NeXTStep ended with 3.3 OpenStep started with 4.1 > Any major advantages/disadvantages to having a slab as opposed to a cube? Some slabs can only take 32ram. Some cubes (most?) can take a NeXTDimension board if you can find one... > Any models or configs in particular that I should avoid? I'd avoid the 030 TjL -- "Humble opinions are not worth mentioning"
From: jcl@apl.washington.edu (Jim Luby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Questions about NeXTDimension board and monitors Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:54:24 -0700 Organization: Uviv. of Washington Message-ID: <jcl-1008970954240001@cs101-6.u.washington.edu> I posted a note recently asking for recommendations for a PC-compatible replacement monitor for a failing NeXT 17" color monitor that is connected to a NeXTDimension video card. Several people were kind enough to post responses so I now know of a few monitors that will work provided I buy a cable adaptor to convert from the NeXT 13W3 connector to separate RGB coaxial connectors (with sync on green, apparently). My overall goal is to buy a replacement monitor that provides BOTH high quality video AND long-term compatibility with PC systems. In the name of trying to understand (perhaps a foolish pursuit!) what's really going on I have a number of questions that I would appreciate input on as follows: 1. Does the NeXTDimension board supports multi-sync monitors or does it require a fixed scan rate (68 Hz) monitor? In other words, does my replacement monitor have to be a 68 Hz fixed scan rate monitor? If the monitor does have to be a 68 Hz fixed scan rate monitor does this limit its use with PC systems? 2. It appears that many modern PC monitors use a D type connector and do not have RBG coaxial inputs. If I get a monitor that does have RGB coaxial inputs am I buying technology that will not work on most modern PC systems? 3. Is it possible to wire up the RGB (with sync on green, apparently) to a D type connector or does this type of arrangement only work with coaxial input monitors? Thanks in advance! Regards, Jim
From: A.Ihn@t-online.de (A.Ihn) Newsgroups: maus.hardware,maus.rec.spieletips,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.sys.acorn.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.hp.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.comm,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.networking,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.hardware.video,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sun.hardware,de.comp.os.linux.hardware,de.markt.comp.hardware,maus.sys.atari.hardware,microsoft.private.mvp.hardware,microsoft.public.hardware,misc.forsale.computers.net-hardware,nl.comp.hardware,z-netz.rechner.hardware,z-netz.rechner.ibm.hardware Subject: Re: Verkaufe oder tausche 1x32MB SDRAM ,12ns Date: 10 Aug 1997 22:17:54 GMT Organization: Telekom Online Internet Gateway Message-ID: <5slemi$mu2$1@news00.btx.dtag.de> References: <33E04606.D83AEDA7@stud.uni-sb.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael K. wrote: > > Verkaufe neue 1x32 MB SDRAM,12ns 1x168 pin. > Habe die Rechnung um die Neuwertigkeit zu bestätigen. > > Verkaufe die SDRAM weil mein Mainboard sie nur als FPM-Module erkennt > und sie nur mit 60ns anspricht. > > Neupreis : 355DM > Mein Preis: 280DM +Porto > > SDRAM wurden am 30.07.97 gekauft > > Bei Interesse persönliches Email > > P.S.: Bin auch zum Tausch gegen 2x16MB EDO-RAM 60ns + 60 DM bereit > > Ciao Michael Gebe diese einfach in Zahlung , die meisten kleinen Geschäfte machen dieses...... Andreas / holsteinland
From: Ron M <swampnospam@netten.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Sound Blaster 16 into packard bell? Help! Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:39:21 -0500 Organization: T-Net Message-ID: <33EE18E8.DCED08D5@netten.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I have a packard bell pc(yeah, I know). I have a SB 16 sound card in it. Recently, I was using freetel, and I made the mistake of switching the sound card properties. This has really screwed up my sound card settings. I was getting a conflict on the device manager after I deleted the card and re installed it. I think my problem has something to do with the PnP installation windows goes through. When I bought the sound card, I had a tech type person set it up, but I've lost his # and need advice on how to get the thing going again! Please help, and I swear I'll never mess with the settings again, I promise! TIA Ron Marsh
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD burners for NeXT Date: 10 Aug 1997 14:12:57 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5slasp$s3h@slip.net> References: <5sjlc8$94e$1@owl.slip.net> <5skp3e$meu$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> >> Does anyone have any experience with SCSI >> CD Burners for NeXT? In my case I'm running >> a 040/25 cube. > >I wouldn't suggest it, as NS is a multi-tasking OS, and the multi-tasking may >cause disruptions in the burn. What if you've got a cube, could you get around the multi-tasking by adding another motherboard and devoted to burning CDs? > >Win/Mac might do better, since they will focus solely on doing the burn.... > >This has been a topic of conversation previously, if you want more info > Yes, I'd like more info. Where? Thanks, Emmett
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Plane color monitor with NeXT Dimension...Help me! Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EEoEt5.KzG@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 02:27:04 GMT References: <33EB2A19.48D0@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <33EB2A19.48D0@soback.kornet.nm.kr>, Lee, Young-Eul <cyber66@soback.kornet.nm.kr> wrote: > >When I connect Dimension to color monitor via BNC cable, I found nothing >happened on monitor. It just saying "check monitor cable". >My BNC cable has 4 coaxial plugs R, G, B, and Black color, but my >monitor has 5 coxial sockets R, G, B, H/V, and H. > Did you the black cable on both the H/V and H connectors? Some combinations of monitors and source need both of these to be present, in which case you'll have to dig up a cable that goes from 13W3 to five connectors. However, I *think* that the ND spits out sync-on-green, so you should see if your monitor can handle that. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
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From: "Laurent" <solfra@worldnet.fr> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Driver for the 6MP printer Date: 11 Aug 1997 12:50:15 GMT Organization: SCT / Worldnet - Internet Provider & Information Exchange - Paris, France Message-ID: <01bca655$8057cd00$040e03c3@worldnet.sct.fr> Hello, How can I use my new Hewlett Packard 6MP (Postscript) printer ? I did'nt see the correct driver in the list of device drivers. May I use the 4MP driver ? Please, I'm waiting your answer... Laurent BARNILS SOLRAC FRANCE (solfra@worlnet.fr)
From: "Laurent" <solfra@worldnet.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Driver for the HP 6MP Postscript printer Date: 11 Aug 1997 12:40:47 GMT Organization: SCT / Worldnet - Internet Provider & Information Exchange - Paris, France Message-ID: <01bca654$2d80a300$040e03c3@worldnet.sct.fr> Hello, How can I use my new Hewlett Packard 6MP (Postscript) printer ? I did'nt see the correct driver in the list of device drivers. May I use the 4MP driver ? Please, I'm waiting your answer... Laurent BARNILS SOLRAC FRANCE (solfra@worlnet.fr)
From: wbirkmai@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Will) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Q: How do I enter into the ROM Monitor on a NeXTstation COLOR? Date: 10 Aug 1997 16:15:08 GMT Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners, Inc. Message-ID: <5skpec$5df$1@concorde.ctp.com> Any help or a pointer tho the right FAQ would be appreciated!!! Thanks! Will
From: wbirkmai@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Will) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ColorStation Turbo and Memory Date: 10 Aug 1997 16:18:17 GMT Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners, Inc. Message-ID: <5skpk9$5dh$1@concorde.ctp.com> References: <owolf-ya02408000R0708970112150001@news.pdnt.com> I just tried putting 4 4MB 80ns parity in my color and they are not even recognized. The machine seems to run fine however. Will > > I've tried installing two 32 Meg SIMMs from my Mac including two 4 Meg > SIMMs in the other bank and my Color Turbo wouldn't boot. In fact the > display was all screwed up (very hard to describe), but the machine purrs > along just fine with two 4 Meg SIMMs from another Mac. Will Color Turbos > only take certain types of 16 meg SIMMs? > > > Scott Johnson
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-bat.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Matrox Millenium II - does it work ? Date: 11 Aug 1997 15:00:15 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Sender: pcf1@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <5sn9dv$igi$1@netty.york.ac.uk> I need to buy some graphics cards - was going to get a Millenium but the inly ones the supplier now has are the Millenium II cards. Does anyone know if these cars work with the OpenStep drivers o.k. ? -bat. p. Merci Nicolas
From: hamel@unixg.ubc.ca (Dr. Keith A. Hamel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: IOMEGA Zip Parallel Date: 11 Aug 1997 17:51:35 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <5snjf7$n0b$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Is is possible to use a Iomega Zip disk attached to the Printer port with OpenStep 4.1 ? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. - Keith Hamel hamel@unixg.ubc.ca
From: jnw@phaedrus.demon.co.uk (Neville Wilford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: nextstep 3.3 with Adaptec aha2940 Date: 11 Aug 1997 22:16:25 GMT Organization: (dis)organised Message-ID: <5so2vp$198@phaedrus.demon.co.uk> References: <33EF483A.40AE@bluewin.ch> nicolas Tichtinsky (kwela@bluewin.ch) wrote: > I would like to install nextstep 3.3 with a SCSI card aha2940 > but it doesn t find the card. > Error message is : > adaptec 2940 : can not find config Space :ABORTING I think newer 2940s have different PCI IDs. This is certainly the case for the 2940-UW I have. The solution is to add the PCI ID for your card to the "Default.table" list within the "Adaptec 2940SCSIDriver.config" directory. Maybe you'd prefer to do this in Expert Settings from within Configure.app? I can give you the ID for the 2940-UW, but this may not be of much help. To get the ID for your card, boot in verbose mode and look for a line like Found PCI Device: ID=0x81789004 at Dev=0 Func=0 Bus=0 I don't think this is a problem for OpenStep since the 2940 driver has a more permissive Auto Detect ID string. Neville -- Internet: jnw@phaedrus.demon.co.uk CompuServe: 100042,3501 j.n.wilford@ncl.ac.uk PGP 2.x public key available
From: "pgunn01@ibm.net" <pgunn01@ibm.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PC cards for NeXT monitors? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:04:34 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <33EF9A82.3CA7@ibm.net> References: <5sl5v3$1bhu@news.doit.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bestor@cs.wisc.edu wrote: > > What PC video cards do you know of that can be made to run a NeXT monitor? I > am aware that Photon sells some fixed-frequency cards specifically stated to > support NeXT monitors but they are rather pricey. The name Mirage rings a > bell - anyone tried these? Any others? I think that Deepspace Technologies makes or resells a video card that can do that... www.deepspacetech.com -- --------------------------------------------------- Pat Gunn, of Team OS/2, Libertarian party, and the Internet. "Friends don't let friends use Windows 95" http://junior.apk.net/~qc ------------------------------------------------
From: jnw@phaedrus.demon.co.uk (Neville Wilford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Matrox Millenium II - does it work ? Date: 11 Aug 1997 21:51:39 GMT Organization: (dis)organised Message-ID: <5so1hb$198@phaedrus.demon.co.uk> References: <5sn9dv$igi$1@netty.york.ac.uk> -bat. (pete@ohm.york.ac.uk) wrote: > I need to buy some graphics cards - was going to get a Millenium but the > inly ones the supplier now has are the Millenium II cards. Does anyone know > if these cars work with the OpenStep drivers o.k. ? The Millennium II uses the 2164 chipset instead of the standard 2064. I noticed recently that NeXTanswers mentioned a 3.36 driver for NeXTStep supporting the 2164 and a 4.05 driver for OpenStep. In a recent thread which I can't find, someone said that these drivers were listed in NeXTAnswers but didn't seem to be available for download yet. I hope they've shown up by now. Neville -- Internet: jnw@phaedrus.demon.co.uk CompuServe: 100042,3501 j.n.wilford@ncl.ac.uk PGP 2.x public key available
From: david@onestep.co.uk (David Knight) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Matrox Millenium II - does it work ? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:33:41 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <871374821.23447.0.nnrp-2.c30b1c08@news.demon.co.uk> References: <5so1hb$198@phaedrus.demon.co.uk> In comp.sys.next.hardware article <5so1hb$198@phaedrus.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > -bat. (pete@ohm.york.ac.uk) wrote: >> I need to buy some graphics cards - was going to get a Millenium but >> the only ones the supplier now has are the Millenium II cards. Does >> anyone know if these cars work with the OpenStep drivers o.k. ? > > The Millennium II uses the 2164 chipset instead of the standard 2064. > I noticed recently that NeXTanswers mentioned a 3.36 driver for NeXTStep > supporting the 2164 and a 4.05 driver for OpenStep. > > In a recent thread which I can't find, someone said that these drivers > were listed in NeXTAnswers but didn't seem to be available for download > yet. I hope they've shown up by now. As of the 11th that was still true. Being the largest supplier of NS/OS based systems for the UK market we brought large stocks of the original card and still have some left. --- Regards David Knight OneStep Solutions Plc | UK phone: 01702 426400 | Vendors of NS/OS 351 London Road | fax: 01702 551515 | MCCAs, Hardware Hadleigh | Int'l prefix: +44 1702 | Apps, Networks Essex | | ISDN, Training SS7 2BT | Email: david@onestep.co.uk | Maintenance England | (NeXTMail/MIME ok) | and Support
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jmeacham@mv.mv.com (James Meacham) Subject: How to squeeze full 2 GB from SEAGATE ST32430N HD? Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <EErxuF.ExJ@mv.mv.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:11:03 GMT Hi All, I just put a SEAGATE ST32430N hard drive into my NeXT TurboColor running NS 3.3. Problem is, it only shows up as having 777 megs space left after installing the OS. It seems that it is ignoring a whole Gig of space!. In the startup screen, it registers the full 2+ gigs, but when I am in the workspace, it shows up as half of the. Anyone have any ideas what to do with this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Along those lines, thanks to everyone who suggested ways of getting my Tandberg drive up and running. It turns out that in releases prior to 3.3, if your block size was not the default (which is indeed the case with the Tandberg), you have to use an ancillary program to set the blocksize. I eventually just installed the version of 3.3 I have and it just worked. Again, thanks to everyone who suggested a fix for this. Peace, (The Rev.) James Meacham
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How to squeeze full 2 GB from SEAGATE ST32430N HD? Date: 12 Aug 1997 01:42:48 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5sof2o$e8q$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <EErxuF.ExJ@mv.mv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jmeacham@mv.mv.com If you have more than 2047 in one partition than it will not be seen. I'd suggest partitioning it explicitly with 2047 in one partition and the rest in the other, and see if that works. TjL
From: dm537@interpia.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I need advice! Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 12:20:52 GMT Organization: INTERPIA Message-ID: <33e32605.4454113@news.interpia.net> References: <19970802084301.EAA05024@ladder01.news.aol.com> On 2 Aug 1997 08:43:23 GMT, pkamatthew@aol.com (Pkamatthew) wrote: >I am probably going to buy a Turbo station (NS3.3) with 32 megs, 1gig HD, >and a NeXT Laser printer. > >Is 32 megs max for a turbo as I've been led to believe? Turbo Color has limit up to 128megs. > >I want to be able to access the net for mail, user groups, and web pages. > is the turbo station sufficient for this? (I do want to view full color >pages with jpegs, gifs and the like but I am not too particular on speed-a >good deal of the time text only will be fine.) How many colors can a Turbo >display anyway? NeXTSTEP has good enviroment for Internet surf. Ofcourse it's pretty different point of view to Windows Internet enviroment. As I know Turbo Color has 24bit color set. (I read the mag.) > >Which brings up another question: the 21" Hitachi is only a hundred bucks >more than the 17" Trinitron. I'm used to the Mac, where the VRAM supports >less colors the more real estate you have. And web browsing aside, do 21" >monitors cause any performance hit on the system? I'm used to 14" so >anything more will make me happy. What do you recommend? 17" or 21" In my opinion, 21" is better than 17", 'cause small display square may make you stop using NeXTSTEP. (But it ain't gonna happen.) > >I would appreciate some recommendations also on modems. I would like to at >least go at 33.6. Which brands will work, and is it hard to find drivers >for them? Also, I will probably use OmniWeb. Is it difficult to connect to >ISP's with NeXT? I confess I'm a little ignorant as I've only used >university ethernet connections and AOL for telephone access. It's not hard as intalling Win95 on your PC. > >Will I be able to read Zip disks that have been Mac formatted? How good is >Mac/DOS reading/file transfers with NeXT? NeXTSTEP has capability reading/writing in MAC/DOS format. I think it's just so so. KATUSA TRAINING ACADEMY Camp Humphreys, EUSA, Korea CPL Hong, J. S., ROKA
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:34:41 -0600 From: peter@us.upnet.se (Peter Lindberg) Subject: Problems with parallel port Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Message-ID: <871388727.20101@dejanews.com> Organization: Upnet Security AB To: peter@us.upnet.se Hello. I have the following problem: On a Pentium Pro running NEXTSTEP 3.3, with the standard ParallelPort driver installed, printing to a matrix printer attached to /dev/pp0 works fine. However, on a similarly set up Pentium it doesn't work at all. On the Pentium Pro you can verify that writing to /dev/pp0 works by piping text from a shell ('echo testing > /dev/pp0'), but on the Pentium this seems to cause a timeout (tree seconds) and nothing prints. However, something does get sent to the printer, because it sometimes (the first try after switching it off and on) begins to adjust the paper like it does under normal operation. I have tried to upgrade the BIOS, and switching the port in the setup from Compatible to EPP, ECT and Bi-Directional, without success. If I boot DOS from floppy and try 'echo testing > lpt1' it works, so there's nothing wrong with the hardware. I have also tried it on four identical machines. The motherboard is an Intel Advanced Morrison with a Pentium 133MHz processor. The BIOS version is 1.00.07.BU0. Does anyone know what I need to do to get it working? Peter. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: phy070@spo109 (H.-R. Oberhage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Problems with parallel port Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 12 Aug 1997 12:45:18 GMT Organization: Universitaet Essen GH, Germany Message-ID: <5splsu$5fq3@mx2.hrz.uni-essen.de> References: <871388727.20101@dejanews.com> Peter Lindberg (peter@us.upnet.se) wrote: : Hello. : : I have the following problem: : [...] : : Does anyone know what I need to do to get it working? Sometimes it is important, that the printer is hooked up and switched on(!), just to be recognized. On the other hand: Check that there is no problem between driver and port (i.e. boot verbose (-v) and see if there are any (additional) messages when pp0 is reported available. Greetings, Ruediger Oberhage -- H.-R. Oberhage Mail: Univ.-GH Essen E-Mail: phy070@sp2.power.Uni-Essen.DE Fachbereich 7 (Physik) ruediger@Theo-Phys.Uni-Essen.DE S05 V07 E88 Universitaetsstrasse 5 Phone: (+49) 201 / 183-2493 D-45117 Essen, Germany FAX: (+49) 201 / 183-2120
From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXFax 1.04 Problem? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 12 Aug 1997 12:01:48 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <5spjbc$p52@news.asu.edu> References: <5sfvah$hnj@news.asu.edu> Problem Almost Identified But Not Solved Performed the binary Flash Upgrade available at Supra's Web Site to make this a 33.6 kbps modem. I first tested it by requesting a fax from Toshiba's automatic faxback service of available documents. Toshiba's Faxback direct number 1-800-403-2230. Previous using this combination, I had been able to receive faxes from Toshiba, however, each page following the first one would be scrunched. This was something that I didn't mention when initially describing the extent of the problems I have encountered with this configuration. At the time, I had an alternate and ancient Dove fax/modem which I then used to receive this and it would with no problem. Unfortunately and like before, the first page came out okay, but all subsequent pages were scrunched just like before from this source. This Toshiba fax system is the only one that I have come across that my configuration will receive but does this rather strange behavior. After encountering this again, I used the Sharp fax machine which is also connected to the line had no such problem receiving a transmission from the same source. It took awhile, but I finally was able to contact a gentleman who I have never been able to successfully receive from his Brother (model IntelliFAX 1250) brand fax machine into my computer using the NXFax and SupraSonic set-up. Unfortunately, it would not negioate and produce the same Console message that I have seen before in these instances. (Please see Console transaction below.) I am now really at a lost as to what to do. (Please note that I have received faxes from other sources since updating the ROM, but this still seems to be a hit or miss proposition depending on what hardware the sender is using. Just to be sure about the results I am receiving and that the culprit in this configuration is likely NXFax, I connected my ZyXEL U-1496E data/fax modem and then got the person with the fax machine that I can never receive from to send something again. After a failed initial start, I think the paper feed for the sender's machine got stuck the first time around. However, everything negotiated properly with this configuration the second time around. So there must be something about the SupraSonic's ROM, as one helpful reponse suggested, that NXFax doesn't like. I upgraded from the 28.8 to the 33.6 and hoped that this would solve the problem. Unfortunately, this did not do the trick and from what I can find at Supra's (Diamond Multimedia) Web sight, there have not been any new updates for this. -ROM VERSION- ati3 V1.440-25-V34_DS SupraSonic 336V+ Built: November 5 1996 14:59:25 OK -FAILED RECEIVING REPORT- %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: log trimmed to 1000 lines %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: owner:4057 users:1 %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: Stale lock file removed. %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: owner:4057 users:1 %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: Unknown modem %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: V1.440-25-V34_DS %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: loaded 1.04.1 Mon Aug 11 15:35:23 1997 %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: Copyright (c) Black & White Software Mon Apr 25 1994 08:21:50 GMT-0400 %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: wait for incoming call %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: activity on port Mon Aug 11 16:08:57 1997 %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: wait for connect %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: ring 1 %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: answer call %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: carrier not found on line %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: call complete %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: port freed Mon Aug 11 16:09:15 1997 %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: owner:4057 users:1 %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: Unknown modem %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: V1.440-25-V34_DS %> SupraSonic_NXFAX: wait for incoming call Kind Regards- devan2m@imap2.asu.edu wrote: : I have encountered a problem with NXFax 1.04 on my NeXT Turbo : Colorstation (NTSC) using a SupraSonic 28.8/14.4 kbps data/fax modem that : frankly has me battled and seems to be getting progressively worse. I : would appreciate learning if this is a known problem or if there is a : solution or fix for this. : The problem so far seems to occur strictly with receiving incoming faxes : from certain machines - usually the problem happens when attempting to : receive from newer fax machines or computers. The NXFax software is : unable to negotiate these incoming faxes whereas a retransmission to the : Sharp fax machine can receive from the source machine without a problem : on the same telephone line. Odder still, is the fact that I can : successfully transmit faxes to these machines that present this problem : for this configuration. On the other hand, trying to receive from said : machines is impossible. : This is a real pain is not knowing when an incoming source fax being used : will caused this problem to arise. I have run into this a whole lot more : in recent months. trying to get people to fax you back can be difficult : when this failure occurs and NXFax has to be disabled in order to receive : from them. Moreover, and seeing as the standalone fax machine is : thermal, it would be much nicer to be able to make as many hard copies : from using my NeXT printer. : I have encountered this problem with the same source fax machines : regardless of what line and in what city I set my configuration up in. I : even think I tried this a while back with a ZyXEL 1496E modem and still : encountered the same problem. : Why is this set-up able to successfully transmit faxes to a machine but : not receive faxes from the same machine? : Thanks to all in advance!
From: ktchan <ktchan@hk.gin.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: nextstep 3.3 with Adaptec aha2940 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:56:05 +0800 Organization: Global Information Networks; http://news.hk.gin.net Message-ID: <33EFECE5.5F95@hk.gin.net> References: <33EF483A.40AE@bluewin.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nicolas Tichtinsky wrote: > > Hi !! > > I would like to install nextstep 3.3 with a SCSI card aha2940 > but it doesn t find the card. > > Error message is : > > adaptec 2940 : can not find config Space :ABORTING > > what can i do ?? > > please help. > > Merci > > Nicolas Go get a new adap driver for 2940 for Next3.3. But you have to have a running Next 3.3 to decompress the file. The best is to use a old 1542 adap card or the old 2940 not the 2940w card to install the Next3.3 and then change the driver and put the driver to driver ploppy for later use. Regards K.T.Chan
From: sneal@ichips.intel.com (Scott M. Neal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Questions re. NeXT and NEXTSTEP Date: 13 Aug 1997 21:37:56 GMT Organization: Intel Development Labs, INTeL Corporation Message-ID: <5st9fk$lqn$1@news.or.intel.com> References: <19970810145800.KAA28888@ladder01.news.aol.com> In article <19970810145800.KAA28888@ladder01.news.aol.com>, SwabJob <swabjob@aol.com> wrote: >I was originally interested in getting an 25MHz '030, but I'm now getting >the impression that it can only run NEXTSTEP 2.1 - is this true? I ran NS 2.1 on my trusty old '030 for many years, then tried to upgrade to 3.3, and re-installed 2.1 because 3.3 ran so slow... Now I run 3.2 on it (which runs faster, but not as fast as 2.1). It is usable (I currently have 24MB memory), but you do wait for everything. >Also, what was the final, most recent version of NEXTSTEP - 3.3? NeXTSTEP ended with 3.3, and later the name was changed to OpenStep and is now up to 4.2. >Any major advantages/disadvantages to having a slab as opposed to a cube? >Any models or configs in particular that I should avoid? I have since acquired a Turbo Dimension, which runs quite snappily with 3.3. I think the Turbo Color Slabs are probably the best NeXT deal out there right now. I would avoid an '030 for one big reason if you plan on attaching a modem to your NeXT: The UARTs on the serial ports do not support hardware flow control or any modem speed > 9600 baud. The '040 boards are much better, supporting hardware flow control (with an easily-built custom cable) and speeds up to 38400 (not 56K, but oh well). I use my '030 as the network and print server, and do all "real" work on the '040. Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Questions re. NeXT and NEXTSTEP Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EEs84G.Mrt@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:53:04 GMT References: <19970810145800.KAA28888@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <19970810145800.KAA28888@ladder01.news.aol.com>, SwabJob <swabjob@aol.com> wrote: > >I was originally interested in getting an 25MHz '030, but I'm now getting >the impression that it can only run NEXTSTEP 2.1 - is this true? > An '030 will run at least 3.2 and likely everything up to 4.2. However 3.x is painful on an '030--you should really get an '040 and a Turbo if you want to run 4.x. >Also, what was the final, most recent version of NEXTSTEP - 3.3? > 3.3 was the last release of NeXTSTEP; as of 4.x it is called OpenStep for Mach. 4.2 is the most recent release. >Any major advantages/disadvantages to having a slab as opposed to a cube? It's smaller, all of them come with floppy drives. No optical drive support, not much room internally, most non-Turbo slabs can only handle 32MB RAM (non-Turbo '040 cubes can handle 64.) >Any models or configs in particular that I should avoid? > Some mono monitors--the N4000s--are prone to dimming. The N4000A is better and the N4000B is the best. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: dyaeb@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (David Aston) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Date: 14 Aug 1997 00:43:58 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <5stkce$153$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Specifically, I'd like to drive an old NeXT 400dpi printer from a Sparc 5 running OpenStep 4.1. Does anyone know if this is possible? [An alternative solution driving it from any other non-black NeXTStep/OpenStep machine would also be of interest.] <Dave> -- Dave Aston......Internet: dyaeb@slac.stanford.edu; BitNet: RIP *8-( MS62 Voice: (650)926-2457; Fax: (650)926-3587 **NOTE new area code <^^^> <^^^> ** SLAC, Stanford U, and DOE are not responsible for _anything_ I say.
From: devan2m@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXFax 1.04 Problem? Date: 13 Aug 1997 18:32:24 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <5ssujo$b3h@news.asu.edu> References: <5sfvah$hnj@news.asu.edu> <5spjbc$p52@news.asu.edu> Further Findings ... Thanks to everyone who has responsed with suggestions so far. Here is a particular exchange with one respondent that describes what I have since discovered. Thank you very much for your additional suggestions to take a look at the device settings and flow control for determining why the subsequent pages from this Toshiba faxback service are scrunched. This portion of the problem has me very curious too. However, I have a NeXT Turbo Colorstation and the proper 040 cable. I decided to check this again using the same Toshiba faxback reference system using the ZyXEL U-1496E modem to see if there may be something to your suspicions of a cabling problem. Sure enough, I found that this scrunched problem is still there. I think this is what I recalled happening before when I tried and confused this thinking that it would also mean that the ZyXEL would have the negotiating problem too with some incoming faxes. Thanks to you bringing it to my attention, I seem to have come across two problems which are not related. 1) Has to do with a compatibility problem between the SupraSonic (recently upgraded) 33.6 modem and NXFax 1.04 which prevents proper negotiations for incoming faxes of a particular type such as those encountered when trying to receive from the Brother IntelliFAX 1250. Transmitting or sending faxes to such machines does not present a problem for this combination. 2) Has to do either with a compatibility problem NXFax has with both the ZyXEL and SupraSonic or the flow control of the cable I am using since all faxing and testing I have done has been with the same cable. I switched between serial port A & B and received the same scrunched results ordering the "Index of Available Documents" from the Toshiba faxback service. (Again note that this did not occur with the trusty old DoveFax (2400/9600) or does it occur receiving with the Sharp UX-114 telephone/fax. Toshiba's faxback service (1-800-403-2230) always sends at 14400, but I have received 14400 from other sources using the SupraSonic and not encountered this scrunch problem. :Make sure you are using device /dev/cufa or /dev/cufb. :/dev/cua or /dev/cub will not work properly. Oddly enough, the cable being used was purchased for this very purpose from Black & White Software. However, one thing to note is that no one has every reported receiving scrunched faxes from me. As far as selecting which device is used, I generally use /dev/ttyb for making data modem connections at 57600 but have tested and received the same results using the /dev/ttya device designation. I am not sure how to check this for the fax mode to alter the device designation for hardware flow control. I always thought this was something protected. I use whatever the default is. If this can be modified, please steer me as to how it can be done. It is certainly nothing I have ever discovered could be done through the Print Manager. I didn't think that this was a problem with one of the ports on this unit as I didn't have this problem when I had the trusty DoveFax modem connected. However, the DoveFax had another very, very strange problem. The software wouldn't allow me to transmit faxes across the street or across town in most cases. I could receive from anybody anywhere, but transmitting locally was a big problem with the way the software was written for the DoveFax. Unfortunately, they didn't stay around long enough to correct this problem. I had two of them at different times and seem to recall having this experience with the first one too back in 1991. (I want to point out that Dove's lost was clearly not a NeXT market related failure.) Mentioning that this sounds to you like a hardware flow control problem, started me to thinking about how I could isolate whether the cable may be part of the problem that produces the scrunched problem from the Toshiba faxback system. Since I currently only have one to work with, I thought to installed and test Olaf Mueller's OlafAM.1.0.4 - the programmable voice/fax/data machine with using the ZyXEL U-1496E modem which the software supports. Once I configured correctly for the ZyXEL - after making sure the 19200 fax mode option was not selected, reading the directions is always helpful - I was able to receive the faxes. Once again, the Toshiba "Index of Available Documents" came out the same with the first page okay and the subsequent pages scrunched. I can't say at what rate this transmission was done, because this information is not provided by the program that I could see and not made available in the Console window. The ZyXEL U-1496E does not have an digital LED - just flashing lights. Therefore, and unless my machine does choose the correct default device setting, the cable looks like the best candidate for this scrunched pages oddity. As far as the SupraSonic modem's data side is concerned, I haven't had any troubles at all connecting to five different service providers in several different cities. Currently, it connects solidly at 28.8 for both send and receive but does fluctuate back and forth to 31.2 kbps between the two (send & receive), but never simultaneous so far. I haven't tried using any of the voice features which this modem is suppose to support. Thank You Very Much! P.S. I did receive a response from another individual who recently purchased a SupraSonic 33.6V+ modem and is experiencing the same problem. At this point I don't know, however, if he did not purchase his cable from NXFax and experiences the same problem with the Toshiba index, this probably reduces the likelihood that this is the source of the scrunched problem. The problems with receiving that this configuration has seems likely due to a mismatch as noted earlier. He has offered to send me the most recent NXFax Help addendum. I will see if this provides any clues which would help to get this configuration combination to receive faxes flawlessly.
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From: cejensen@bitstream.net (Christian Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Monitor Dimensions? Date: 9 Aug 1997 12:43:19 GMT Organization: Bitstream Underground Message-ID: <5shol7$jsr$1@maryj.bitstream.net> References: <5s8ask$buk$1@news.pacifier.com> In-Reply-To: <5s8ask$buk$1@news.pacifier.com> On 08/05/97, Nathan Pryor wrote: >I'm thinking about finally giving up my faithful NeXT station and >upgrading to a turbo color. One thing I'm concerned about is the size of >the monitor. Not the screen size, but the actual dimensions (and weight, >if you happen to know). The 17" Trinitron is 15.6" high x 16.1" wide x 18.1" deep; 50.6 lbs weight. The 21" Hitachi is 18.4"x 18.9"x 20.35"; 75.9 lbs. -- ******************************** Chris Jensen cejensen@bitstream.net MIME, NeXTMail OK
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From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Date: 14 Aug 1997 03:26:28 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5sttt4$dbp$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <5stkce$153$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dyaeb@SLAC.Stanford.EDU FAQ. The answer is no.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXTStation Turbo References: <01bca784$4609cba0$2ffbba84@grasshopper> Organization: University of Calgary CPSC From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Message-ID: <33f28b01.0@news.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: 14 Aug 97 04:35:13 GMT In article <01bca784$4609cba0$2ffbba84@grasshopper>, Jon Biddell <jba@fl.net.au> wrote: >I've just picked up a NeXTStation Mono Turbo and N2000 laser for $650AUS, >which doesn't seem too bad, but the mouse is a bit dicky... > >Can anyone suggest a supplier of suptable rodents, preferably in Australia >?? > >Jon > >P.S. Came with no docs... HELP !! There should be some on-line documentation. Try looking in NextLibrary/Documentation where you should find NextAdmin which gives you a complete System Adminstration Guide and NextDev which gives you all the Next Developer documentation (if you have the Developer version for the latter). You can also access stuff conveniently using the librarian. Try NextLibrary/Bookshelves/SysAdmin.bshelf & double click the icon Of course, someone may have dumped it. You could also try advertising in comp.sys.next.marketplace is you want hard copy, or a CD with the whole system on it (if you have a CD_ROM drive) -- two CDs if you want developer. Hope it works out. david ---- -- David R. Hill, CS & Psych Depts., U. Calgary | Imagination is more Calgary, AB, Canada T2N 1N4 Ph: 604-947-9362 | important than knowledge. hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca OR david@firethorne.com| (Albert Einstein) http://www.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hill (^NeXTMail)| Kill your television!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Questions re. NeXT and NEXTSTEP Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EEt37M.Dq9@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:04:33 GMT References: <19970810145800.KAA28888@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5skpcl$meu$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5skpcl$meu$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com>, Timothy J. Luoma <nospam+next@luomat.peak.org> wrote: >Some cubes (most?) can take a NeXTDimension board if you can find one... > I'd say pretty much all, in fact. Even '030s, if you have the NBIC on the CPU board, although why you'd run a Dimension on an '030 is beyond me. If you do this the ROM monitor and stuff will always go to the mono display. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: in5y049@public.uni-hamburg.de (Jay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Openstep on a 4.3 GB Quantum Disk Date: 14 Aug 1997 12:21:56 GMT Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany Message-ID: <5sut94$pvk$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Hi, I tried to install Openstep 4.1 on a Quantum Fireball ST 4.3A. This didn't work: Openstep complained that no sensible startup disk was found. I then partitioned the disk: A DOS partition and a 2 GB NEXTSTEP partition. FDISK sees all partitions correctly when using the -useAllSectors switch, but the partition is not mounted at system startup and also BuildDisk doesn't recognize the size correctly. Anything that can be done? Is this a general problem with large disks or a specific one with the Fireball? Greetings, Jay.
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From: Babak Ashrafi Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT printer questions Date: 14 Aug 1997 13:58:13 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <5sv2tl$h1e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I finally repaired my NeXT Laser printer. Thanks to TJL for his excellent web page with directions for repairing the paper intake roller and paper eject gears. First, I want it to last as long as possible. Should I leave it on, or nnpower it off when not in use? Ordinarily I would think that leaving it on would be better, but I don't know what the issues are for the NeXT Laser. Second, I seem to remember that there is an improved driver available for NeXT Lasers, but I cannot find it. Am I mistaken or is there another driver I should be using? Thanks in advance, Babak Ashrafi please correct reply-to address: ashrafi _at_ mit _dot_ edu
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From: Eric Ulmer <ulmerer@ebs.ac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ET6000 drivers for NS 3.3? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:19:16 -0500 Organization: Andersen Consulting/ServiceNet LLC. Message-ID: <33F2E9B4.21DE@ebs.ac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know if there are drivers or patches for using the ET6000 with White NS 3.3? I'm using NS3.3 on my Black hardware right now, but I am considering putting it on my Intel box. My card is a Lightspeed 128 http://www.isd.net/eulmer -- Eric Ulmer, Network Consultant ServiceNet Technologies (BBN/Andersen Consulting) 612-317-7768 Desk ulmerer@ebs.ac.com
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From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT printer questions Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:32:21 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5svivl$qvb$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <5sv2tl$h1e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In <5sv2tl$h1e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Babak Ashrafi wrote: > I finally repaired my NeXT Laser printer. Thanks to TJL for his excellent > web page with directions for repairing the paper intake roller and paper > eject gears. Glad it worked. > First, I want it to last as long as possible. Should I leave it on, or > nnpower it off when not in use? Ordinarily I would think that leaving it > on would be better, but I don't know what the issues are for the NeXT > Laser. I'd say turn it off... use npoffd or nppowerd, they are both on peak and can turn the printer off when idle > Second, I seem to remember that there is an improved driver available for > NeXT Lasers, but I cannot find it. Am I mistaken or is there another > driver I should be using? JetPilot has an improved driver for it... It was a little tricky to setup, but can be done... It's free, and also on peak. Sounds like a good time to mention that the search facilities at peak:. Send a message to 'luomat@peak.org' with the SUBJECT search-peak npoffd nppowerd jetpilot (you can search for many different things using this same method) TjL
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From: chrish@cc.usu.edu (PUNCHOUT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: USR sportster voice: din 8 to din 8 pins? Message-ID: <ComCGM+3pCM8@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Aug 97 14:05:13 MDT Organization: Utah State University Someone posted this earlier, but I figured I give a shot since no one answered him. Has anyone successfully made a din 8 to din 8 cable from a USR voice fax modem to a turbo 040? I wanted to explore this before I try and exchange the modem for the PC version with the 25pin connector. Lemme know of any success stories. -- Christian Shank Nothing special... No titles or honoraria CHRISH@CC.USU.EDU Quote? I have no stinking quote! The opinions contained above are mine and mine alone, they are in no way associated with anyone I work for, have worked with, ever will work for or with, nor are the opinions of those I work for or with mine, nor have they been mine nor will they be mine nor are my opinions yours or yours mine, nor is anything I've written to be considered my opinion since I'm an unwilling victim of alien mind control.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Q: How do I enter into the ROM Monitor on a NeXTstation COLOR? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EEtu4r.53K@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:46:03 GMT References: <5skpec$5df$1@concorde.ctp.com> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5skpec$5df$1@concorde.ctp.com>, Will <wbirkmai@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote: >Any help or a pointer tho the right FAQ would be appreciated!!! > Right Command and the key above the 7 on your keypad. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:25:35 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> I'm not sure why this hasn't been mentioned and why the NeXTanswer is incorrect, but the 4.05 version of the Matrox Millenium drive is available on NeXTanswers. It claims to support the Millenium II at some seriously high resolutions (I have no way of testing it yet, but I also have no reason to doubt it). NeXTanswer with release notes: http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2334.htmld/2334.html Note that for some reason this NeXTanswer says that there isn't a newer version of this driver, but the link beside the "beta" item does indeed take you to the new driver. Direct link to the actual driver: http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/ByNumber/2536.compressed -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok
From: sneal@ichips.intel.com (Scott M. Neal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: USR sportster voice: din 8 to din 8 pins? Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:52:32 GMT Organization: Intel Development Labs, INTeL Corporation Message-ID: <5t027g$ki1$1@news.or.intel.com> References: <ComCGM+3pCM8@cc.usu.edu> I answered Christian already in email, but I'll answer again here... Macintosh-specific modems are cheaper than non-Mac modems because there are no separate DTR/RTS pins on the modem. Macs don't require separate signals, so modem companies can save money by not including the required logic. I was under the impression that the only difference between Mac modems and other modems would be the included software bundle, but I learned the hard way with this very modem via trial-and-error and a direct response from USR support (who were very helpful, even when giving me bad news!) The NeXT computer specifcally requires separate control of DTR and RTS, which is impossible with this modem (and, I'm guessing, other Mac-specific modems). A friend of mine commented that he once saw a Mac modem that had a hardwired cable with a Mac DIN8 on one side, to ensure that it couldn't be used with a different cable. USR is using the same logic by making a removable cable, but putting DIN8 connectors on both sides so DB25 modem cables will not fit. If anyone is *really* interested, I will send the response from US Robotics with the pinout of the Sportster for Mac's DIN8 connector, which clearly shows a combined DTR/RTS pin (and which is not available on the WWW or in the documentation that comes with the modem). Scott In article <ComCGM+3pCM8@cc.usu.edu>, PUNCHOUT <chrish@cc.usu.edu> wrote: >Someone posted this earlier, but I figured I give a shot since >no one answered him. > >Has anyone successfully made a din 8 to din 8 cable from a USR >voice fax modem to a turbo 040? I wanted to explore this before >I try and exchange the modem for the PC version with the 25pin >connector. > >Lemme know of any success stories.
From: "gmrca" <gmrca@isp.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 8 72pin SIMM sockets. What is this thing? Date: 15 Aug 1997 00:51:51 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Message-ID: <01bca914$0a9e0720$aa098bcc@isp.isp.net> I have a Color NeXTStation, and need to know WhAT it is. All of the specs that I see point to a slab having 4 SIMM sockets, and 128megs max RAM. Does this mean I could do 256? Or that it won't accept 32meg SIMMs? I appreciate any help offerred. Thanx In addition, are there any hardware hacks to increase speed on a slab? -- _______________________________________ I'm not real. I'm not true. I am a god.
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Date: 15 Aug 1997 02:25:37 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5t0en1$act$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com csn.misc trimmed for obvious reasons ;-) In <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: > > I'm not sure why this hasn't been mentioned and why the NeXTanswer is > incorrect, but the 4.05 version of the Matrox Millenium drive is available on > NeXTanswers. It claims to support the Millenium II at some seriously high > resolutions (I have no way of testing it yet, but I also have no reason to > doubt it). > NeXTanswer with release notes: > http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2334.htmld/2334.html Great... they seem to have removed version 4.00 http://ent.apple.com/NeXTanswers/HTMLFiles/2336.htmld/2336.html is a dead link... > Note that for some reason this NeXTanswer says that there isn't a newer > version of this driver, but the link beside the "beta" item does indeed take > you to the new driver. > Direct link to the actual driver: > http://enterprise.apple.com/NeXTanswers/ByNumber/2536.compressed I installed this and something seems to be wrong... I see Matrox MGA Millennium (2mb) (dev:18 Func: 0 Bus: 0) (v 4.05) Matrox MGA Millennium (4mb) (dev:18 Func: 0 Bus: 0) (v 3.31) Matrox MGA Millennium (8mb) (dev:18 Func: 0 Bus: 0) (v 4.05) Since I have the 4mb version, I was looking for that.... can anyone explain to me why it doesn't show up, and how I can convince it to do so? It is listed in the driver update and was in the 4.00 version.... I hate drivers.... TjL
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Anyone know where to get MSErgo Keyboard cover? Date: 15 Aug 1997 04:03:40 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5t0kes$io8$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not really NS/OS related, except that my NSFIP machine has an ergo keyboard (MS Natural). Does anyone know of a company that sells those plastic 'slip covers' that fit over the keys and keep gunk from getting in there... I figure there's got to be someone in Computer Shopper that sells them, but I can't find it in the index, and paging through 800+ pages is not very appealing.... TjL
From: bestor@cs.wisc.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 8 72pin SIMM sockets. What is this thing? Date: 15 Aug 1997 05:03:12 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <5t0nug$1gf6@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <01bca914$0a9e0720$aa098bcc@isp.isp.net> "gmrca" <gmrca@isp.net> wrote: >I have a Color NeXTStation, and need to know WhAT it is. >All of the specs that I see point to a slab having 4 SIMM >sockets, and 128megs max RAM. Does this mean I could >do 256? Or that it won't accept 32meg SIMMs? You have a first generation 25MHz NeXTstation Color. It has eight 72 pin SIMMs for 12-32 MB of interleaved memory. The SIMMs take only 1MB or 4MB parts. Sorry - you're limited to 32MB max. >In addition, are there any hardware hacks to increase speed >on a slab? Other than buying a 33MHz Turbo Color motherboard ($150 from http://www.deepspacetech.com), not really. There is a 50MHz 68040 Pyro daughtercard but I doubt you'll ever find one for sale and it'll cost you a lot even if you do (its a collectors item). Then there's the 40MHz Nitro daughtercard for Turbo machines, but if you found one of those for under $1000 I'd have to kill you! :-) It is beyond a collectors item and has gained a status closer to that of the Holy Grail... - Gareth --- Gareth Bestor bestor@cs.wisc.edu Computer Sciences Department http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~bestor University of Wisconsin-Madison
From: NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Scanner problems with HSD Scan-X Color Date: 14 Aug 1997 12:40:41 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <5suuc9$3e5$5@nexusgate.oche.de> Hi, since a while I have a problem with my HSD Scan-X Color scanner attached to my Nextstation. It does not scan blue anymore. No problems with B&W or greyscale scans, but when I want to do a colour scan, red and green scans are ok, then it changes to the blue filter, waits some seconds, moves the lamp some centimeters up and down and that it was. I use Scan-X.app Release 2.0 (V1.5.2). Any clues? Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael @ nexus1.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Scanner problems with HSD Scan-X Color Date: 14 Aug 1997 13:38:02 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <5sv1nq$3e5$6@nexusgate.oche.de> References: <5suuc9$3e5$5@nexusgate.oche.de> NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply) wrote: >since a while I have a problem with my HSD Scan-X Color scanner attached to >my Nextstation. It does not scan blue anymore. No problems with B&W or >greyscale scans, but when I want to do a colour scan, red and green scans are >ok, then it changes to the blue filter, waits some seconds, moves the lamp >some centimeters up and down and that it was. > >I use Scan-X.app Release 2.0 (V1.5.2). Any clues? I did some more testing. Here is the console output of a colour scan with Scan-X.app: couldn't open SCSI ID=2 # that's ok, the scanner is on ID 5 couldn't open SCSI ID=3 SCSI status = 02H # this is the output after powering on the sr_io_status = 0x3 # scanner and starting the app SCSI status = 02H # starting here the output when trying to sr_io_status = 0x3 # scan in blue SCSI status = 02H sr_io_status = 0x3 After the scan, the 'raedy' lamp on the scanner remains dark. I tried it with the Scan-O-matic demo, too. If I start Scan-O-Matic after a such a scan with Scan-X, it reports a hardware error. If I turn off an on the scanner before, here is the output of console whe trying to scan in blue: Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Sense Error in startScan Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: SCSI Status 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Valid 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Error Code 70 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: ILI 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Sense Key 4 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Info Byte0 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Info Byte1 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Info Byte2 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Info Byte3 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Sense Lenght c Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Sense Code 40 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: SCQualify 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: SKSV 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Spec Byte0 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Spec Byte1 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: Spec Byte2 0 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: (a)-(h) 88 Aug 14 15:34:34 nexus1 ScanOmatic[437]: (i)-(k) 0 At the same time, Scan-O-Matic reports a hardware error. I opened the scanner and looked for cable connections, but all seemed to be ok. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael @ nexus1.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: Matthew Reichman <mreichman@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Where can I find DISKTAB entry for a Zip Drive? Date: 15 Aug 1997 11:23:37 GMT Organization: Como me Gusta productions Message-ID: <5t1e7p$7h0@suriname.earthlink.net> References: <33E11848.2329@object.com> <EEG6t5.MKF@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <5sakpn$r0m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: eb@object.com In <5sakpn$r0m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Eric Bergerson wrote: > Charles Swiger: "You need to provide the system with a disktab entry, > since the Zip drive hardware does not correctly return the geometry > information it should in response to a SCSI-II Mode Sense command." Please e-mail me where I can find it. -- Be well, Matthew Reichman <mreichman@earthlink.net> NeXTMAIL, SUN Mail & MIME welcome PGP key --> email w/ subject "request_PGP"
From: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Date: 15 Aug 1997 14:02:29 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> References: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> In-reply-to: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com's message of 14 Aug 1997 23:25:35 GMT In article <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com>, andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com writes: I'm not sure why this hasn't been mentioned and why the NeXTanswer is incorrect, but the 4.05 version of the Matrox Millenium drive is available on NeXTanswers. It claims to support the Millenium II at some seriously high resolutions (I have no way of testing it yet, but I also have no reason to doubt it). Dammit, and I can't afford a Millenium-II w/12M plus a 21" monitor capable of 1920x1200 right now, sigh. And even with more than twice the screen real estate, I don't imagine even a 21" is really very workable at that res (sort of like running a 17" monitor at 1600x1200). The real question, methinks, is whether a Millenium-II is faster than the Millenium with these drivers, and how much faster. Given the graphics performance jolt I took when upgrading from Pentium to PentiumPro with a Millenium, I'm inclined to believe that it's unlikely to be much faster. Are they ever going to release a Mystique driver? Yes, I know, "consumer", but from all I've heard it's got a somewhat better price/perforamance ratio then the Millenium. While the performance is only like 9x% of the Millenium's, the _price_ is only like 70%. There's also a 220 (aka "business", aka "the box without the clown") version which is still cheaper, but still allows for those nice high refresh rates. Later, -- scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Demystified Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: Nathan Wilkes <nathan@griffin.multimedia.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Correct serial cable from Colour Turbo to Apple Select 310 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:48:02 -0700 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Message-ID: <33F4883D.46AD5AA0@griffin.multimedia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear NeXT community, I am the proud new owner of a colour turbo, and I need some help connecting it to my Apple LaserWriter Select 310. The 310 only has a serial port and a parallel port, so I need to din8 to din8 cable. As I understand it, the pinouts are as follows: Turbo 310 1 DTR 1 DTR 2 DCD 2 DSR 3 TXD 3 TXD 4 GND 4 GRD 5 RXD 5 RXD 6 RTS 6 GRD 7 7 8 CTS 8 How would I use this information to produce the correct cable? Is it possible to purchase such a cable? My understanding of these issues is hazy at best, so I would appreciate any help or advice. I also read that the maximum baud rate on an 040 is 38400. Is this true? (The 310 supports 57600 with DTR/DTS.) Many thanks in advance, --Nathan Wilkes nathan@griffin.multimedia.edu
From: Eric Ulmer <ulmerer@ebs.ac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Nitro hardware specs/construction details Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:08:19 -0500 Organization: Andersen Consulting/ServiceNet LLC. Message-ID: <33F446B3.13F8@ebs.ac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why doesn't someone just reverse engineer the damn daughtercard and post their findings in a FAQ? It cant be that complex.. or is it? -- Eric Ulmer, Network Consultant ServiceNet Technologies (BBN/Andersen Consulting) 612-317-7768 Desk ulmerer@ebs.ac.com
From: Ray Stricklin <kjaeros@u.washington.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How to squeeze full 2 GB from SEAGATE ST32430N HD? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:22:51 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.970815121725.18876A-100000@saul9.u.washington.edu> References: <EErxuF.ExJ@mv.mv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-User: kjaeros In-Reply-To: <EErxuF.ExJ@mv.mv.com> Predicate: Whose triangle is it? On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, James Meacham wrote: > I just put a SEAGATE ST32430N hard drive into my NeXT TurboColor running > NS 3.3. Problem is, it only shows up as having 777 megs space left after > installing the OS. It seems that it is ignoring a whole Gig of space!. Check to see it didn't partition the drive. My IBM Ultrastar ES 2G was split into two 1 GB partitions on install. Took me a minute to figure out what happened... See if there's a /dev/sd0b. disk -i it and throw it in the /etc/fstab if you like. ok -r http://weber.u.washington.edu/~kjaeros -------------------------------------- [ e x l i b r i s ]
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SONY Monitor "POP"->Dim->'Resume' Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:42:19 GMT Organization: University of California at Berkeley Message-ID: <5t2ber$2g0@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu I have a SONY Trinitron monitor being used with a NeXT ADB Turbo system that makes a "POP- sound about five minutes after you turn it on, then dims momentarily as though it was about to go off, but then, just as rapidly resumes its normal spectacular color. As far as I know, this event does not occur again until the system is turned-off and re-started the next day. It's quite disturbing in that the monitor-"POP" is sudden, a little like a lightbulb that "goes." If you have any idea what this is about, please contact me by e-mail at: john@romodas.HIP.berkeley.edu Thanks. John
From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SONY Monitor "POP"->Dim->'Resume' Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:47:01 GMT Organization: University of California at Berkeley Message-ID: <5t2bnl$2ia@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Sorry. I made an address typo for those who wish to respond to my question. The correct e-mail address is: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu Thanks.
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cmsg cancel <8f7cd$f626.337@NEWS> Control: cancel <8f7cd$f626.337@NEWS> Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:56:18 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.8f7cd$f626.337@NEWS> Sender: Infodesk Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Chris Stecker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Diffs btwn large black monitors? Date: 15 Aug 1997 21:39:51 GMT Organization: UCB Message-ID: <cstecker-2702381832130001@garthsworld.hip.berkeley.edu> I'm looking into buying a refurbished large monitor to replace my now-injured 17" megapixel (color). I've been shown two. The first is a 21" Hitachi ($599), and the second is a 19" Sony ($399). These are both black monitors, apparently sold by NeXT for the color stations and ND's. My questions revolve around the fact that I only recall a 17" and a 21" display being sold by NeXT, and both the Sony and Hitachi appear to be the same size (I saw them side-by-side). Does anyone know what the differences in specs, features, or reliability are between these displays? The Hitachi has two imaging controls on the front, while the sony appears to have no switches or knobs on the front at all, if that helps jog your memory. Thanks in advance to your reply (email me at 'cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu). Chris Stecker cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu PS I'd also be interested in hearing anyone's opinion on the prices I've listed above. Do they sound pretty fair? -- Chris Stecker cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall Dept of Psychology University of California, Berkeley
From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: OPENSTEP 4.2 fails installing to a ThinkPad 755C Date: 15 Aug 1997 23:34:52 GMT Message-ID: <19970815233401.TAA15613@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Apple tech support suggests turning off APM, but this doesn't seem doable on the laptop, and their suggestions for how to do it in OPENSTEP (boot -s into single-user mode, copy Default.table to Instance0.table and then edit "APM" = "Yes" in that to "No") doesn't work, and locks up the machine on reboot with the message "Can't find $LBL" Can anyone suggest anything? Thanks! William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cmsg cancel <5t2ve5$lso$7482@readme.ican.net> Control: cancel <5t2ve5$lso$7482@readme.ican.net> Date: 16 Aug 1997 01:27:19 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.5t2ve5$lso$7482@readme.ican.net> Sender: Vedant<sales@koolatron.com> Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: Kai Cherry <mrkai@sakurakai.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Diffs btwn large black monitors? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:17:13 -0400 Organization: @Home Networks Message-ID: <33F4F188.F574E5C8@sakurakai.com> References: <cstecker-2702381832130001@garthsworld.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Chris Stecker <cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu> Chris Stecker wrote: > is a 21" Hitachi ($599), and the second is a 19" Sony ($399). These > > Thanks in advance to your reply (email me at > 'cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu). > > Chris Stecker > cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu > > PS I'd also be interested in hearing anyone's opinion on the prices > I've > listed above. Do they sound pretty fair? > These are the prices from DeepSpace Technologies in Maryland. Add $60 for shipping, I believe NeXT 17" MegaPixel Mono MonitorN4000A 0 $ 99.00 NeXT 17" MegaPixel Mono MonitorN4000B 2 $ 149.00 NeXT 17" Color Fimi Monitor 12 $ 79.00 NeXT 17" Color Philips Monitor 12 $ 100.00 NeXT 17" Sony Trinitron Monitor 54 $ 149.00 NeXT 21" Hitachi Color Monitor Monitor 42 $ 249.00 their url: http://www.deepspacetech.com/Nexthardware.html > -- > Chris Stecker cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu > > Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall > Dept of Psychology > University of California, Berkeley
From: Robert Matthews <rob@i-image.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help with my 2 black boxes... Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:15:35 -0600 Organization: Fibernet Corporation Message-ID: <33F50D47.11192EDD@i-image.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just purchased 2 *non-working* next machines at a salvage sale. I haven't used a next machine in quite a while, but am eager to return. I managed to get both machines to boot, but they come up to a login prompt and I have no idea on how to get past it. Also, I only have one keyboard. Anybody know where I could get another for cheap? I have a cube (mono) with 16meg and 250+ HD and a slab workstation (memory unknown). Please respond to my e-mail address as well as my news feed is spotty at best. Thanks in advance, -Robert Robertma@fiber.net
From: hyperion@winternet.com (Alex Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Diffs btwn large black monitors? Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:19:40 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Message-ID: <hyperion-1508972219400001@ppp-67-25.dialup.winternet.com> References: <cstecker-2702381832130001@garthsworld.hip.berkeley.edu> <33F4F188.F574E5C8@sakurakai.com> > These are the prices from DeepSpace Technologies in Maryland. Add $60 > for shipping, I believe > > NeXT 17" MegaPixel Mono MonitorN4000A 0 $ 99.00 > NeXT 17" MegaPixel Mono MonitorN4000B 2 $ 149.00 > NeXT 17" Color Fimi Monitor 12 $ 79.00 > NeXT 17" Color Philips Monitor 12 $ 100.00 > NeXT 17" Sony Trinitron Monitor 54 $ 149.00 > NeXT 21" Hitachi Color Monitor Monitor 42 $ 249.00 Only $60? That seems really low, especially for the 21 inch behemoth... Alex Anderson hyperion@winternet.com
From: blazek@stt.msu.edu (Rudolf B. Blazek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Q: Which Tablet for ADB NeXTstation Color Turbo with NS 3.2? Date: 16 Aug 1997 03:46:13 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <5t37q5$j7c$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Dear gentlemen: I am considering purchasing a (used?) tablet for my ADB NeXTstation Color Turbo. I searched the DejaNews archives but am still confused quite a bit. The help for InstallTablet.app in NS 3.2 mentions a collection of compatible Wacom tablets, but these are not being offered on Wacom web site anymore. Is the line of ArtZ II Wacom tablets compatible with my machine and NS 3.2? If so, should I use the serial or ADB type? If serial, is there difference between Mac and PC types other than cabling? To sum it up, which ArtZ II version should I use? I would prefer to use the ADB as I use both A and B serial ports for some other purposes. Also, are Wacom tablets the only supported tablets? Does WetPaint support pressure sensitive tablets (throught a bundle or so) or do I have to buy Tiffany? Thanks much for any advice. Good luck to all. Rudy -- Rudy Blazek Michigan State University blazek@stt.msu.edu Department of Statistics & Probability
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Scanner problems with HSD Scan-X Color Date: 16 Aug 1997 04:14:34 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5t39fa$b2s$1@news.istar.ca> References: <5suuc9$3e5$5@nexusgate.oche.de> <5sv1nq$3e5$6@nexusgate.oche.de> In-Reply-To: <5sv1nq$3e5$6@nexusgate.oche.de> On 08/14/97, Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply wrote: >> since a while I have a problem with my HSD Scan-X Color scanner >> attached to my Nextstation. It does not scan blue anymore. No >> problems with B&W or greyscale scans, but when I want to do a >> colour scan, red and green scans are ok, then it changes to the >> blue filter, waits some seconds, moves the lamp >> some centimeters up and down and that it was. This is a problem I've heard of before with the HSD Scan-X Color scanners. One suggestion I've heard is to try replacing the bulb with a fresh one, although this doesn't always work. -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul C. Samson -==- jsamson@istar.ca (NeXTmail & MIME welcome) -=============- http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jeanpaul -=============- -===================================================================- "Microsoft is a fact of life. They're like the air we breathe. Perhaps a better analogy is bottled water, because you have to buy it." -- Steve Jobs, Apple Computer's Worldwide Developers Conference, May 16th, 1997 -===================================================================-
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Reinstall NS 3.3 after upgrading to 64 Megs ? Date: 15 Aug 1997 22:29:55 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5t3dsj$pns@slip.net> Hi, I just upgraded the RAM in my 040/25 cube from 40 Megs to 64 Megs. Upon running NXBenchmarks and experimenting with the memory intensive zoom feature of Photo Album I don't see any improvement in performance. That is, would rebuilding the kernel under the 64 Meg memory configuration be a good idea? BTW, typing m in the ROM monitor says I have 64 megs, but when the machine *first* booted after the upgrade, a system test message said that some of the slots were not being used. PS. When I type hostinfo this is what is displayed : Kernel configured for a single processor only. 1 processor is physically available. Processor type: MC680x0 (68040) Processor speed: 25 MHz Processor active: 0 System type: 2 Board revision: 0x0 Primary memory available: 64.00 megabytes. Default processor set: 50 tasks, 92 threads, 1 processors Load average: 2.42, Mach factor: 0.25 2 /me> Might the default processor set change? Thanks, Emmett
From: Homajeet S Cheema <hcheema@esq.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Cube Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:42:52 -0700 Message-ID: <33F53DDC.83429606@esq.com> References: <19970717010401.VAA27585@ladder02.news.aol.com> <5qlgfk$jep$1@news.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me where I can buy color NeXT stations?
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Cube Date: 15 Aug 1997 23:33:19 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5t3hjf$3e5@slip.net> References: <19970717010401.VAA27585@ladder02.news.aol.com> <5qlgfk$jep$1@news.rwth-aachen.de> <33F53DDC.83429606@esq.com> In article <33F53DDC.83429606@esq.com>, Homajeet S Cheema <hcheema@esq.com> wrote: >Can anyone tell me where I can buy color NeXT stations? > Yes. Try http://www.deepspacetech.com
From: cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Date: 16 Aug 1997 06:37:38 GMT Organization: WolfWare Message-ID: <5t3hri$s8i$1@vader.wolfware.ipc.net> References: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> In-Reply-To: <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> >In article <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com>, > andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com writes: > I'm not sure why this hasn't been mentioned and why the NeXTanswer > is incorrect, but the 4.05 version of the Matrox Millenium drive is > available on NeXTanswers. It claims to support the Millenium II at > some seriously high resolutions (I have no way of testing it yet, > but I also have no reason to doubt it). I've got an 8M Millenium running the 4.03 version of the Millenium driver. I had no luck getting the 4.05 version of the Millenium driver working. (Crashed the system during boot.) Anyone else having problems? - Chris -- _______________________________________________________________________ Christopher A. Wolf -- WolfWare -- NeXTSTEP/OpenStep/Rhapsody Developer For info about NewsFlash the lightning fast NeXTSTEP news-reader visit our newly revised web site at: http://www.wolfware.com _______________________________________________________________________
From: MARMIER Raphael <marmier4@hei.unige.ch> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Problems with parallel port Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:31:26 +0200 Organization: University of Geneva Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970816112015.27931A-100000@hei.unige.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Peter Lindberg <peter@us.upnet.se> Hi I've had pretty similar troubles with my own parallel port on my old P100, and I'm running OS 4.1 . The trouble rather comes from a bug in ParallelPort.config ... There is a alternative Parallel port driver available at: ftp://ftp.peanuts.org/pub/comp/platforms/next/i486/parallel/ I used it and it works fine. The bug concern NS 3.3 and later. More informations are available in the README file from the alternative Par.config. Hope this work for you cheers Raph ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Raphael Marmier --> marmier4@hei.unige.ch --> http://heiwww.unige.ch/~marmier4 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: dnuja@jagor.srce.hr (Denis Nuja) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: WTB NexStep for x86 Date: 16 Aug 1997 13:18:34 GMT Organization: Public host at University Computing Centre, Zagreb, CROATIA Distribution: world Message-ID: <5t49ba$oiv@bagan.srce.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wtb NextStep for x86 the newest version with all the books with it. email the offers please,. -- ,'_ / -.--. ._ Denis at SRCE dnuja@jagor.srce.hr _~\ \__--'_,-' ZESOI denis@vilma.zesoi.fer.hr //\\\ --'"/\\ Purity at CroMUD,Mortal Realms. \__/ ----''\__/ Yamaha XZ550 Vision '84 "How should I know if it works? That's what beta testers are for. I only coded it."
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <nospam+next@luomat.peak.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Which Way Do We Go? Which Way Do We Go? Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:56:51 -0700 Organization: The PEAK FTP site for OpenStep & NeXTStep Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970804105357.25563A-100000@kira> References: <B00931F7-103F0@205.254.225.39> <19970804020201.WAA19801@ladder02.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: WillAdams <willadams@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <19970804020201.WAA19801@ladder02.news.aol.com> On 4 Aug 1997, WillAdams wrote: > I'd like to see NeXT release an add-on for Rhapsody which restores the > NeXT interface/aesthetic, and all of the tools which Apple will be forced > to strip out of the NeXT Generation Mac OS, i.e. Digital Webster, > Shakespeare, Oxford's Quotations, etc. Shakespear and Oxford's haven't been in since 3.3, I don't see why they would come back. Webster really really really ought to be included... it's a must-have... > I'm guessing Fax support and NeXTMail are history as well. ?? Fax support? They'd have to be 3 shades of brain-dead to remove that. NeXTMail, it has been said (speculated) will survive... No reason why not, it is still far superior to MIME > What would be ideal would be to add in emulator technology so as to make > it then possible to run old Motorola software (a la the current Mac > PPC/68K emulation) as well--this would be the perfect upgrade path for > people with back hardware. That would be nice.... but I doubt it would happen... but it would be very nice.... heck I'd like an emulator for my Intel/OpenStep machine so I didn't have to NXHost TjL
From: "Georges Tarbouriech" <aeroport.biarritz@hol.fr> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to use Tandberg SCSI tape with Black 3.2 ? Date: 6 Aug 1997 17:31:44 GMT Message-ID: <01bca28d$d8dafd10$07ac2ac0@pcdev> References: <33E0BDAD.4D1B@geocities.com> Rebecca <beccaray@geocities.com> a écrit dans l'article <33E0BDAD.4D1B@geocities.com>... > Hi all, > > I have a Tandberg 250 meg SCSI tape drive that is being unusable with my > turbo color station. Any suggestions on how to get it to work. I know > there is a way becasue I've used it before, but the script that set it > up got eaten in the Hard Drive crash. Any help on this would be greatly > appreciated. > > Peace, > > James > Hi James, I may have a part of the answer; I use a Tandberg Panther 5000 and I spent some time to make it work on a Next station. It seems to be a problem of size of blocks. So, first try a cpio or find -cpio command; the answer usually is : "can't read input". Then, type a cpio -itv </dev/your dev; same answer as before . Rewind the tape (let's say you're using nrst0, for instance) typing : "mt -f /dev/your dev rewind". Last, change the blocksize : stblocksize -v /dev/your dev; the answer is :blocksize has been set to 0 . At that time, you can retype the first command, either cpio or find; it should work ! At least I hope. Probably, there are others and better solutions, but this is the only one I found. Usually, your streamer works fine as long as you don't stop the computer; of course after a new start, you'll have to do the same again ! Good luck Georges Tarbouriech
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From: NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Date: 16 Aug 1997 14:38:49 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <5t4e1p$6s$7@nexusgate.oche.de> References: <5stkce$153$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> dyaeb@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (David Aston) wrote: >Specifically, I'd like to drive an old NeXT 400dpi printer from a Sparc 5 >running OpenStep 4.1. Does anyone know if this is possible? [An alternative >solution driving it from any other non-black NeXTStep/OpenStep machine would >also be of interest.] This is a FAQ. There is no way to drive a NeXT Laser with anything but black hardware. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael @ nexus1.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <446871185624@digifix.com> Date: 17 Aug 1997 03:53:43 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <13779871790424@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Reinstall NS 3.3 after upgrading to 64 Megs ? Date: 17 Aug 1997 09:10:53 GMT Organization: 21st Century Software, New York City Sender: daver@ts3-4.nj.cnct.com Message-ID: <5t6f6t$afm$1@darla.visi.com> References: <5t3dsj$pns@slip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Aug 1997 04:10:54 CDT Cc: emclean@slip.net In <5t3dsj$pns@slip.net> Emmett McLean wrote: > I just upgraded the RAM in my 040/25 cube from 40 Megs to > 64 Megs. Upon running NXBenchmarks and experimenting with > the memory intensive zoom feature of Photo Album I don't > see any improvement in performance. You'll notice it most when switching applications under a heavily loaded system, IMHO. I noticed a huge performance jump when I went from 64 to 128 on my turbo ND cube. YMMV. > That is, would rebuilding the kernel under the 64 Meg > memory configuration be a good idea? How are you going to rebuild the kernel? :) (the answer is no, btw) > BTW, typing m in the ROM monitor says I have 64 megs, but > when the machine *first* booted after the upgrade, a system > test message said that some of the slots were not being > used. This is normal, this is the ROM reconfiguring for the new amount of RAM. When I change the memory configuration I usually see some warning about previously empty slots containing fast page mode SIMMs, or some such. [hostinfo snipped] > Might the default processor set change? Again, how do you plan on doing this? :) (the answer is again no. Once you plug in the extra RAM, what you notice is what you're going to get.) -- :: d a v i d y o u n g ::::: smtp dwy@ace.net http www.ace.net :: :: "I graduated from the school of ruckus." -- Wyclef Jean :::::::
From: shenley@sunshine.net (Steve Henley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: laserwriter + localtalk + intel openstep? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:24:50 -0600 Organization: Henley Communications Message-ID: <shenley-1208971724500001@cal-ab4-11.netcom.ca> References: <5rv2pr$kch@thoth.portal.ca> <x6k9i4e78w.fsf@giocoso.osk.threewebnet.or.jp> In article <x6k9i4e78w.fsf@giocoso.osk.threewebnet.or.jp>, Toshinao Ishii <ici@giocoso.osk.threewebnet.or.jp> wrote: sh>pok@prometheus.digital-rain.com (pok) writes: sh> sh>> So the short of it: is there a way to make a localtalk printer talk to an sh>> Intel box running OpenStep? sh> sh>There is a ISA card for LocalTalk. See http://www.copstalk.com . sh>There is a driver (drivers) for Linux but I do not know about sh>one for OPENSTEP. I don't know if this would justify itself in a single PC/single printer environment but... another approach is a print server box that has an appropriate Ethernet port, and a LocalTalk port, and supports Unix/LPR/LPD. -- Steve Henley | 20 Coachway Green S.W. Henley Communications | Calgary, AB T3H 1V8 shenley@sunshine.net | (403) 242-7995
From: babylon@newsreader.sprintlink.net () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Nitro hardware specs/construction details Date: 17 Aug 1997 17:11:18 GMT Message-ID: <5t7bbm$pp6$1@newsreader.sprintlink.net> References: <33F446B3.13F8@ebs.ac.com> I can't speak for everyone, but as someone who has the Nitro DaughterCard, I do not want to take the chance of breaking it in the process. Kind of hard to replace it if I fuck up. You are correct however it appears to be easy, not many chips or traces. Jonthan Eric Ulmer (ulmerer@ebs.ac.com) wrote: : Why doesn't someone just reverse engineer the damn daughtercard and : post their findings in a FAQ? It cant be that complex.. or is it? : -- : Eric Ulmer, Network Consultant : ServiceNet Technologies (BBN/Andersen Consulting) : 612-317-7768 Desk : ulmerer@ebs.ac.com
From: "Justin M" <justinm@eagle.cc.ukans.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Need new Optical Disk Drive... Date: 17 Aug 1997 18:54:33 GMT Organization: Farallon Computing Inc. Message-ID: <01bcab3f$766437e0$d014b0a3@ksqahinote.farallon.com> I have an original NeXT cube (the '030) and the Optical disk drive is starting to fail. I was wondering if anyone knows any places that I can call to order a good used one? -Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com (Frank Lazar) Subject: Sonnet Accelerator in an 040 NeXT Organization: AMUSE--New York Amiga Users Group Message-ID: <fmlazar-1708971537360001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:37:36 GMT I remember the Sonnet accelerator which originaly marketed for Macs which basically substitutes a 50 mhz 040 in the place of a 25mhz one. This little baby seems to have been quite sucessfully adapted for use in Amiga 4000's which have a 25mhz as standard. As anyone heard of, or know of the feasiblity of doing the same in a NeXT?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com (Frank Lazar) Subject: Re: Help with my 2 black boxes... Organization: AMUSE--New York Amiga Users Group Message-ID: <fmlazar-1708971542460001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> References: <33F50D47.11192EDD@i-image.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:42:46 GMT In article <33F50D47.11192EDD@i-image.com>, Robert Matthews <rob@i-image.com> wrote: > I just purchased 2 *non-working* next machines at a salvage sale. I > haven't used a next machine in quite a while, but am eager to return. I > managed to get both machines to boot, but they come up to a login prompt > and I have no idea on how to get past it. Also, I only have one > keyboard. Anybody know where I could get another for cheap? I have a > cube (mono) with 16meg and 250+ HD and a slab workstation (memory > unknown). Please respond to my e-mail address as well as my news feed > is spotty at best. > Thanks in advance, > > -Robert > Robertma@fiber.net If it's an ADB machine, an ADB Mac keyboard should do the trick and there are some non-Apple ones which are fairly cheap. I have a small Apple keyboard which I used on my SE/30 which works fine as all the NeXT keys have Apple correspondents, Power, Command etc. or at least I haven't run into any problems syet. (Similarly the NeXT black keyboards work just fine on Apples) I've also seen NeXT keyboards advertised in MacWeek in companies like Shreve Systems for about $30 bucks. As to the login prompt, if you don't have the passwords, you may just have to hook up a CD and reinstall NeXT from scratch, either that or perhaps get someone to "hack" the system from the console as it were. Good luck!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com (Frank Lazar) Subject: Re: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Organization: AMUSE--New York Amiga Users Group Message-ID: <fmlazar-1708971545090001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> References: <5stkce$153$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5t4e1p$6s$7@nexusgate.oche.de> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:45:09 GMT In article <5t4e1p$6s$7@nexusgate.oche.de>, NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply) wrote: > dyaeb@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (David Aston) wrote: > >Specifically, I'd like to drive an old NeXT 400dpi printer from a Sparc 5 > >running OpenStep 4.1. Does anyone know if this is possible? [An alternative > >solution driving it from any other non-black NeXTStep/OpenStep machine would > >also be of interest.] > > This is a FAQ. There is no way to drive a NeXT Laser with anything but black > hardware. > Macintosh Adobe Pagemaker comes with a PPD for the NeXT laser printer. So it does seem to be possible at least in theory to drive a NeXT with an Apple printer. Of course some kind of driver software would be needed, but it must have existed at one point. Either that, or the printer would be networked to a NeXT station and the Apple would just print over ethernet. I'd like to know the answer myself.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com (Frank Lazar) Subject: Re: Need new Optical Disk Drive... Organization: AMUSE--New York Amiga Users Group Message-ID: <fmlazar-1708971545460001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> References: <01bcab3f$766437e0$d014b0a3@ksqahinote.farallon.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:45:46 GMT In article <01bcab3f$766437e0$d014b0a3@ksqahinote.farallon.com>, "Justin M" <justinm@eagle.cc.ukans.edu> wrote: > I have an original NeXT cube (the '030) and the Optical disk drive is > starting to fail. I was wondering if anyone knows any places that I can > call to order a good used one? > > -Thanks! Try deepspace technologies.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com (Frank Lazar) Subject: Re: 8 72pin SIMM sockets. What is this thing? Organization: AMUSE--New York Amiga Users Group Message-ID: <fmlazar-1708971548370001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> References: <01bca914$0a9e0720$aa098bcc@isp.isp.net> <5t0nug$1gf6@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:48:37 GMT In article <5t0nug$1gf6@news.doit.wisc.edu>, bestor@cs.wisc.edu wrote: > > Other than buying a 33MHz Turbo Color motherboard ($150 from > http://www.deepspacetech.com), not really. There is a 50MHz 68040 Pyro > daughtercard but I doubt you'll ever find one for sale and it'll cost you a > lot even if you do (its a collectors item). Then there's the 40MHz Nitro > daughtercard for Turbo machines, but if you found one of those for under > $1000 I'd have to kill you! :-) It is beyond a collectors item and has gained > a status closer to that of the Holy Grail... > Perhaps there is some way to adapt the Mac 50mhz Sonnet board. Apparantly it's already been hacked successfully for the Amiga 4000 which comes native with a 25mhz 040.
From: "eng" <eng@hanpin.com.tw> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Projective notebook: notebook screen bigger than 20" with the cost lower than the Date: 13 Aug 1997 05:59:35 GMT Organization: DCI HiNet Message-ID: <01bca7af$35a2ac20$212342cb@hanpin.wusnet.net.tw> Projective notebook: notebook screen bigger than 20" with the cost lower than the 13.3" notebook will be available. The idea is to substitute the TFT LCD panel with the projector. Also, the weight is kept under 5 kg. With this features, you can do the presentation, or have a big game, vedio screen, anywhere you want,............. Further question please refer to ..eng@hanpin.com.tw
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: CD burners for NeXT Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EErInD.JMA@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:42:49 GMT References: <5sjlc8$94e$1@owl.slip.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5sjlc8$94e$1@owl.slip.net>, Emmett McLean <emclean@slip.net> wrote: > >Hi, > >Does anyone have any experience with SCSI >CD Burners for NeXT? In my case I'm running >a 040/25 cube. > Look at CDDesigner--it's on Peak. It has documentation about supported drives. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: gh@middlemarch.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD burners for NeXT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:35:07 -0400 Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Message-ID: <33F1559B.12C2@middlemarch.net> References: <5sjlc8$94e$1@owl.slip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Emmett McLean <emclean@slip.net> I have a Philips CDD 2600 that I use with Openstep 4.0/Intel with no problems. It has a standard Centronics SCSI interface so it should also work with Black hardware. You do need specific CD writing software. Two that I know of are CDDesigner - a commercial app, and cdwrite - a shareware app. Both should be at the Peak ftp site. CDDesigner supports only certain brands of CD writers. Off hand I know it supports Philips and Yamaha, and does not support Pinnacle. I can't remember the others and I'm not at that computer at the moment, so you'll have to download the software to check to see what the others are. --Greg > Does anyone have any experience with SCSI > CD Burners for NeXT? In my case I'm running > a 040/25 cube. > > Ah, I was at a Computer Fair last month and > seen a SCSI CD burner for the Mac and PC > selling for 395$ and wonder if I might > be able to use that. > > Um. Does one have to have CD burner specific software > to format fundamental CD information to the CD will > that take care of itself? > > Thanks, > > Emmett
From: grewal@uclink4.bezerkeley.edu (Kawaldeep Grewal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Questions about NeXTDimension board and monitors Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:05:01 -0800 Organization: UC Berkeley Message-ID: <grewal-ya023580001208972305010001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <jcl-1008970954240001@cs101-6.u.washington.edu> <5sr3r4$c1k$1@news2.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <5sr3r4$c1k$1@news2.voicenet.com>, dwright1@voicenet.com (Darren Wright) wrote: >Most good monitors come with BNC. The quality is MUCH higher than d-sub. >If you are looking for clarity, you really should be looking at BNC >capable monitors. Is there anyway one can buy the BNC cable with the other end being the Mac standard video 15 pin? I don't know what you consider hi-end, but my Radius PressView 21SR came with a 15 pin (Mac) to 15 pin (PC) cable...but it does have the BNC inputs, 5 of them, RGB, one labeled Comp. Hd., and another labeled VD. There is also a switch for resistance 75 ohms or one Kohm. Any ideas/comments? Kawaldeep Grewal Replace "bezerkeley" with "berkeley" to respond via email.
From: dwright1@voicenet.com (Darren Wright) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Questions about NeXTDimension board and monitors Date: 13 Aug 1997 01:49:24 GMT Organization: VoiceNet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Message-ID: <5sr3r4$c1k$1@news2.voicenet.com> References: <jcl-1008970954240001@cs101-6.u.washington.edu> Jim Luby (jcl@apl.washington.edu) wrote: : 1. Does the NeXTDimension board supports multi-sync monitors or does it : require a fixed scan rate (68 Hz) monitor? In other words, does my : replacement monitor have to be a 68 Hz fixed scan rate monitor? If the : monitor does have to be a 68 Hz fixed scan rate monitor does this limit : its use with PC systems? You have a multisync monitor, as long as one of the syncs is 68Hz : : 2. It appears that many modern PC monitors use a D type connector and do : not have RBG coaxial inputs. If I get a monitor that does have RGB : coaxial inputs am I buying technology that will not work on most modern PC : systems? Most good monitors come with BNC. The quality is MUCH higher than d-sub. If you are looking for clarity, you really should be looking at BNC capable monitors. : 3. Is it possible to wire up the RGB (with sync on green, apparently) to a : D type connector or does this type of arrangement only work with coaxial : input monitors? Sure you can.....there are the same pins in a d-sub, you just have to figure it out. : Thanks in advance! : Regards, : Jim
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: JetPilot with HP DeskJet 820 Cse ? Date: 17 Aug 1997 21:51:25 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5t8kcd$878@slip.net> References: <5t5ure$5st@slip.net> Hi, I wrote : > >I previewed the documentation to JetPilot >and didn't see the HP DeskJet 820 Cse >mentioned. After installing JetPilot I found this printer in the list of available printers and was able to set it up from PrintManager.app. However, nothing prints out. I'm using black hardware. For the cable to the printer I'm using NeXT modem cable which is connected communication to a HP printer cable with a NULL MODEM DB25F/F connector. Could this be the source of the problem? Any suggestions? Thanks, Emmett
From: mpaque.spa-am@nospam.wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Date: 18 Aug 1997 00:08:15 -0700 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Sender: mpaque@mpaque Distribution: world Message-ID: <5t8scv$eq@mpaque.mpaque> References: <fmlazar-1708971545090001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> In article <fmlazar-1708971545090001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com (Frank Lazar) writes: > Macintosh Adobe Pagemaker comes with a PPD for the NeXT laser printer. So > it does seem to be possible at least in theory to drive a NeXT with an > Apple printer. Of course some kind of driver software would be needed, > but it must have existed at one point. Either that, or the printer would > be networked to a NeXT station and the Apple would just print over > ethernet. The PPD file just provides information needed to prepare a print job for a printer. In this case, the NeXT printer would be a network printer, with the network connection, RIP, and driver running on a NeXT CPU (Cube or slab) To drive the NeXT laser printer from non-NeXT hardware would require a PostScript compatible RIP, and a specialized driver and hardware to generate the video signal for the printer. The task would be non-trivial. -- Mike Paquette (mpaque AT wco.com ; Yank that .spa-am and nospam to reply.) Well, if there *were* anything to say, it would be with the understanding that the PR/Marketing people want to make the announcements on products, so anything I have to say wouldn't actually exist until after then, so what I might have to say now doesn't exist, and what I may say in future can't be said, so theoretically what exists, doesn't, for the immediate future. (With apologies to Joe Straczynski)
From: adam@pc-x.com (Adam Dale) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NEXT Units Forsale!! Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:59:13 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <33f0b18c.3941442@news.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have 8 complete NeXtStations 20megs of ram 200meg drives monitors (mono Mega Pixel) sterio keyboards mice also one laser printer for the above We are currently accepting bid on the above Respond either by email or fax. Adam Dale adam@pc-x.com fax 334-821-0429
From: ryno@nh.ultranet.com (Chris Ryan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Openstep 4.2 on Compaq Presario Portable Date: 13 Aug 1997 14:26:59 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <ryno-ya02408000R1308971031580001@news.nh.ultranet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cache-Post-Path: ninsun.nh.ultra.net!unknown@d14.dial-3.prt.nh.ultra.net Is this possible? If so what drivers do I need to get it to run it? It is a Compaq Presario 1610 Portable. Thanks Chris Ryan ryno@nh.ultranet.com
From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD burners for NeXT Date: 13 Aug 1997 15:09:48 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Message-ID: <5ssins$5i0$2@news.seicom.net> References: <5sjlc8$94e$1@owl.slip.net> <5skp3e$meu$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <5spbev$ep1$1@xenon.cube.de> Ingo Feulner <ifeulner@xenon.cube.de> wrote: > Timothy J. Luoma wrote in <5skp3e$meu$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> on 1997-08-10 18:09:18 +0200: > > In <5sjlc8$94e$1@owl.slip.net> Emmett McLean wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with SCSI > > > CD Burners for NeXT? In my case I'm running > > > a 040/25 cube. You can find the source code (and the intel binary) for cdwrite-2.0 for NeXTSTEP/OpenStep on my web page. I have not tried it on a m68k system but I guess single or double speed writing should be possible. > > I wouldn't suggest it, as NS is a multi-tasking OS, and the multi-tasking may > > cause disruptions in the burn. > > That's not true, it works without any problems on NS/OS. Indeed. --- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net * NeXTSTEP, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cmsg cancel <5t9e5o$5qn5230@ren.usr.com> Control: cancel <5t9e5o$5qn5230@ren.usr.com> Date: 18 Aug 1997 13:42:52 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.5t9e5o$5qn5230@ren.usr.com> Sender: MillionairePi@forreal.com Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: powell@aoml.noaa.gov (Mark Powell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Any 56k modems that work with NXfax and black hw? Date: 18 Aug 1997 13:46:34 GMT Organization: U.S. Department of Commerce, NOAA/AOML Message-ID: <5t9jnq$ebe@nil.aoml.noaa.gov> I'd like to hear opinions on what to buy. Right now I'm using a 14.4 modem and its very slow for doing web and X client stuff. -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Mark D. Powell powell@aoml.noaa.gov Atmospheric Scientist, AMS Certified Consulting Meteorologist (Member, NOAA '96 Olympics Marine Forecast Team) NOAA Hurricane Research Division (appropriate disclaimers apply) Miami, Fl 33149
From: max.barel@wanadoo.fr (Max Barel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Matrox Millenium driver could not allocate memory Date: 18 Aug 1997 15:15:13 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Message-ID: <5t9ou1$jdk$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> I recently downloaded the most recent matrox driver (4.05) installed it... and crash since i have nextstep 3.3 and not openstep 4.x. Then i tried to reinstall 3.30 version of the driver and the beta one 3.36. None of them can load vith various error message about memory map and register map wich can't be allocated. I'm now in VGA and really upset. Please help. -- mailto:Max.Barel@cuefa.inpg.fr
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From: not_a@real_address-antispam.com ("Arthur C. Kyle") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Can't access SlimSCSI on Toshiba Tecra 740CDT Date: 19 Aug 1997 00:07:26 GMT Organization: Sirius Connections Message-ID: <5tao3u$7ps$2@news2.sirius.com> I've installed OPENSTEP 4.2 on a Toshiba Tecra 740CDT (the dual IDE driver accessed the internal CD). However, though the machine boots and runs fine, I cannot access an Adaptec SlimSCSI card. I have been told that the ATAPI driver grabs the internal CD drive, allowing access to it as if it were a SCSI drive (making it sd0), thus precluding the use of a real SCSI bus. I have switched to the regular, single IDE driver (though there are apparently corruption dangers in this due to the different ways each driver determines disk geometry) but though the machine boots, I still cannot access the SlimSCSI. I'm specifying the Adaptec PCMCIA to 6360 SCSI driver v4.00 in Configure, but when booting -v I see no reference to the SCSI bus. I do get a reference to PCMCIA in /usr/adm/messages: [snip] : PCI Ver=2.10 BusCount=22 Features=[ BIOS16 CM1 ] : Found PCI 2.0 device: ID=0x06011179 at Dev=0 Func=0 Bus=0 : Found PCI 2.0 device: ID=0x00e4102c at Dev=4 Func=0 Bus=0 : PCI bus support enabled : PnP: Plug and Play support enabled : PnP: Plug and Play BIOS present : PnP: read port 0x0, max csn 0 : ISA/EISA bus support enabled : ISA bus : DriverKit version 420 : Registering: ISASerialPort0 : ISASerialPort0: Base=0x03f8, IRQ=4, Type=16550AF/C/CF, FIFO=16 : Registering: ISASerialPort1 : ISASerialPort1: Base=0x02f8, IRQ=3, Type=16550AF/C/CF, FIFO=16 : Registering: fc0 : Registering: fd0 : Registering: PS2Controller : Registering: PCKeyboard0 : Registering: PCMCIA0 : PCI bus support enabled : Registering: PCI0 : Registering: EISA0 [etc.] No references to Adaptec or SCSI. I know the card is likely OK, because it works fine under Win95. I tried again to reinstall the OS, but although I load the PCMCIA and IDE drivers and nothing more, I end up with this: No SCSI controller or CD-ROM drive found use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d, en%d or tr%d root device? I've used a variety of CD drives (Toshiba, Yamaha, Panasonic) and HDs, at different IDs. I suspect that I have a driver problem, or perhaps the 740's PCMCIA chipset is different from the 720's? I'd appreciate any tips, as I am about to go out of town and need to access Jaz disks. Thanks for your help. --Arthur Kyle ack at skylee dot com
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Any 56k modems that work with NXfax and black hw? Date: 18 Aug 1997 19:45:24 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5tb1c4$7oi@slip.net> References: <5t9jnq$ebe@nil.aoml.noaa.gov> In article <5t9jnq$ebe@nil.aoml.noaa.gov>, Mark Powell <powell@aoml.noaa.gov> wrote: >I'd like to hear opinions on what to buy. Right now I'm using a 14.4 modem >and its very slow for doing web and X client stuff. I'm driving a 040/25 NeXT Cube. I use a US Robotics X2 with TTYDSP to connect to my ISP. The connect string at my ISP usually says the connection is 48000 baud but at times it connects at 50666. When I download files my software tells me the actual rate data is comming across, and at the 48000 connection it says it comes across on average at 37000 bps. This compares with 950 I used to get on my 14400 SupraFAX. However, to download large files on the order of 3 Megs reliably, without any retries, I've found it is better not to use TTYDSP (just use a serial port) and to set the bps rate (from my software package Cables) to 38400. Then on average the data comes across at about 32000 bps. I bought the X2 because my ISP supported it and because the store I purchased it from provided a money back guarantee if I didn't like it. Emmett
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ATI Rage II+ Driver Problems Date: 19 Aug 1997 02:52:23 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5tb1p7$l2l$1@news.istar.ca> I recently purchased a Pentium II and am trying to install OPENSTEP 4.2 on the machine. I thought that Apple supported the ATI 3D Pro Turbo PC2TV (8 MB) card, but I now find that the drivers are only for the 2 MB and 4 MB versions. I tryed using the 4 MB driver, but this results in a black screen when OPENSTEP finishes booting. (I am really having a hard time with this graphics card--both Windows 95 and Windows NT have had similar troubles, too.) Is there any way to get the card to work? I've also tried changing a bunch of the expert options (i/o, memory, etc. according to the values Windows 95 uses) to no avail. Does anyone know if Apple will support this card in future? -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul C. Samson -==- jsamson@istar.ca (NeXTmail & MIME welcome) -=============- http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jeanpaul -=============- -===================================================================- "Microsoft is a fact of life. They're like the air we breathe. Perhaps a better analogy is bottled water, because you have to buy it." -- Steve Jobs, Apple Computer's Worldwide Developers Conference, May 16th, 1997 -===================================================================-
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Date: 18 Aug 1997 20:02:09 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5tb2bh$9i3@slip.net> References: <5stkce$153$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5t4e1p$6s$7@nexusgate.oche.de> <fmlazar-1708971545090001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> > >> dyaeb@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (David Aston) wrote: >> >Specifically, I'd like to drive an old NeXT 400dpi printer from a Sparc 5 >> >running OpenStep 4.1. Well, shooting for straws .... Go to PrintManager.app Select the NeXT 400 dpi Lazer printer and tell it to connect via serial port. Off hand I'd select 19200 as the baud rate. and give it a whirl. Do'ht you'll have to have a cable. Which means you'll probably have to have a custom made cable. Ah, take the pinout diagram of the printer port to a cable shop and see if they can build you one compatible with the Sun serial port. Emmett
From: "Gerardo Quinonez, M.D." <quinonez@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Best scanner for NeXTStep 3.3 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:26:19 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <33F92E7B.4AF4CC5F@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone. I was wondering what the best scanner is for NS 3.3 on intel. I want to purchase one, but dont know what drivers are out there for free for NS 3.3 and what the best scanner is. If someone can please shed some light on this. Thank you Please email directly back to the below address. -- _____________________________________ G. Quinonez, MD <quinonez@earthlink.net> NeXTStep 3.3/Windoze NT 4.0 NeXTMail/SUNmail Welcome http://emf.net/~ihouse/Alumni-pages/quinonez/
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: OpenStep 4.2 backup disks? Date: 18 Aug 1997 20:09:26 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5tb2p6$a2e@slip.net> References: <33e03a6a.3357635@nntp.mlink.net> <5rqo3d$1m0@transfer.stratus.com> >In article <33e03a6a.3357635@nntp.mlink.net> zapper@micro-intel.com (Marc >Girard) writes: >> >> Hello there, >> >> What's the trick to copy a NeXT formatted disk? (Is there an >> equivalent to DOS' Diskcopy or something?) Thanks in advance! Depending on the NeXT formatted disk you may need to get an Extra Density diskette, one that will hold 2.8 Megs of data. As to backup disks your best bet is to get a SCSI Zip Drive and use BuildDisk to build a boot disk. See TJL's home page all the info you need on it is there somewhere. Emmett
From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Date: 19 Aug 1997 03:41:53 GMT Organization: HTI Message-ID: <5tb4m1$m3j@fridge-nf0.shore.net> References: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> In-Reply-To: <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> On 08/15/97, Scott Hess wrote: >Dammit, and I can't afford a Millenium-II w/12M plus a 21" monitor >capable of 1920x1200 right now, sigh. And even with more than twice >the screen real estate, I don't imagine even a 21" is really very >workable at that res (sort of like running a 17" monitor at >1600x1200). Sony has a new 24" color monitor for a mere $4500. ;-) Weighs a ton but for some applications (like CAD), it is very much desirable. Robert -- Robert La Ferla Registered OPENSTEP/Rhapsody Consultant HTI Boston, MA - Washington, DC + 1 (617) 252-0088
From: NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Date: 18 Aug 1997 18:29:50 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <5ta4au$1hm$1@nexusgate.oche.de> References: <5stkce$153$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5t4e1p$6s$7@nexusgate.oche.de> <fmlazar-1708971545090001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com (Frank Lazar) wrote: >In article <5t4e1p$6s$7@nexusgate.oche.de>, >NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for >reply) wrote: >> This is a FAQ. There is no way to drive a NeXT Laser with anything but black >> hardware. >> > > >Macintosh Adobe Pagemaker comes with a PPD for the NeXT laser printer. So >it does seem to be possible at least in theory to drive a NeXT with an >Apple printer. You mean "to drive an Apple with a NeXT printer", right? >Of course some kind of driver software would be needed, >but it must have existed at one point. No, you _can't_ attach a NeXT printer to anything but a black NeXT. The printer has no "intelligence" at all, but all is done by the computer. The printer is only a print engine with a power supply. >Either that, or the printer would be networked to a NeXT station and the >Apple would just print over ethernet. This is the reason for the existance of PPD files for the NeXT printer. Sure you can use a NeXT printer plus a black NeXT as a print server. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael @ nexus1.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: ~eseale~@enteract.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Q: ColorSlab 040 memory banks? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:24:15 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Message-ID: <5tbdb5$f56@eve.enteract.com> i have a few questions: i just upgraded my "NeXTstation color" from 16 meg of RAM to 24 meg of ram. one - are all color slabs tough to get ram into? the banks are far to short. they are 72 pin btw. two - if i upgrade from 24 meg to 32 meg of ram on a NS 3.0 machine will it speed up the machine. all i really want it for is to connect to my isp and learn a bit about NS. three - what is the lone socket that looks like a simm for? ps - why is there no IRC channel? thanks -eric
From: phy070@spo109 (H.-R. Oberhage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Can't access SlimSCSI on Toshiba Tecra 740CDT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 19 Aug 1997 09:52:04 GMT Organization: Universitaet Essen GH, Germany Message-ID: <5tbqc4$fs22@mx2.hrz.uni-essen.de> References: <5tao3u$7ps$2@news2.sirius.com> The problem is most likely (from your boot-messages), that you didn't include the driver for the PCMCIA-hostbridge, which hopefully is an Intel-compatible PCIC one. It used to be on a 730CDT, because I had a jaz-drive on it under OPENSTEP. So add the PCIC-driver, which should lead to the detection of your PCMCIA-(SCSI-)card, which in turn should lead to the detection of (SCSI-)devices. The ATAPI cdrom always get an 'sd'-entry (faked), regardless of the (E)IDE driver (dual or not) and if real scsi-devices are present. Just see to it, that the real SCSI-devices are registered first (order of 'bootdrivers' in System.config) before the ATAPI-CD device, otherwise you can get into trouble in that the device is detected properly, but can't be 'managed' once the system is up and if there then is an 'sd0'-entry in the '/etc/fstab' file, you'll lose. Greetings, Ruediger Oberhage -- H.-R. Oberhage Mail: Univ.-GH Essen E-Mail: phy070@sp2.power.Uni-Essen.DE Fachbereich 7 (Physik) ruediger@Theo-Phys.Uni-Essen.DE S05 V07 E88 Universitaetsstrasse 5 Phone: (+49) 201 / 183-2493 D-45117 Essen, Germany FAX: (+49) 201 / 183-2120
From: phy070@spo109 (H.-R. Oberhage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Can't access SlimSCSI on Toshiba Tecra 740CDT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 19 Aug 1997 09:55:58 GMT Organization: Universitaet Essen GH, Germany Message-ID: <5tbqje$fs23@mx2.hrz.uni-essen.de> References: <5tao3u$7ps$2@news2.sirius.com> And one thing I forgot. Put the notebook chips to PCIC-compatible mode(!); there used to be a selection on 'hardware' setup under DOS/WIN(95) between that and another on I forgot on the 730CDT Ruediger
From: NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Any 56k modems that work with NXfax and black hw? Date: 19 Aug 1997 08:00:18 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <5tbjqi$2mc$1@nexusgate.oche.de> References: <5t9jnq$ebe@nil.aoml.noaa.gov> powell@aoml.noaa.gov (Mark Powell) wrote: >I'd like to hear opinions on what to buy. Right now I'm using a 14.4 modem >and its very slow for doing web and X client stuff. Because of the limitations of the serial devices of black hardware I would not recommend that. 57600bps is the maximum you can get and more than 38400 bps is not very reliable. Of course you can install a DSP extension called TTYDSP, but I don't know if you can still buy them and I don't know if it works with NXFax. I am connected to the internet via an external router connected to the ethernet port. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael @ nexus1.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: shaffer@durer.phyast.pitt.edu (C. David Shaffer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Summary of Scanner experience under NS 3.3 Date: 19 Aug 1997 13:28:14 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Message-ID: <SHAFFER.97Aug19092814@durer.phyast.pitt.edu> Below I outline some things that I learned while searching for a low-end scanner for black hardware under NeXTSTEP 3.3. This info is by no means comprehensive, just a few comments for people who don't want to "buy and try" as I did. I doubt that this needs to be said but... Get a SCSI scanner (typically refered to as the "Macintosh" version of the scanner but sometimes the PC version is SCSI as well). There is no software that I know of that supports parallel port scanners under NeXTSTEP. ============================= Scanners: Mustek 600 (and probably 1200): Locks up SCSI bus while scanning. Unusable on black hardware unless you scan at very low resolution. Probably OK on intel since they supply a SCSI card which you could use in addition to the SCSI card on your system. Microtek ScanMaker V300: Couldn't get this to work with any of the software that claims to support the ScanMakers. It's fairly new so this may change in time. Microtek ScanMaker E3 and E6: Work great with mtekscan. ============================= Software: ScanMaker.app(on Peak and Peanuts): Supports older or more expensive ScanMaker scanners. Does not work with current versions of the E3 and E6 (or V300). No support for one-pass scanning so an update to this software would take a while. I have contacted Black Albatross (the owner's of the Copyright to ScanMaker.app) and they seem willing to allow me to make a port but I haven't gotten around to it. mtekscan(http://fb4-1112.uni-muenster.de/ffwd/ffwd_mtekscan.html): CLI only. Works great with all of the ScanMakers (except the V300). I have ported it to NeXTSTEP 3.3 and others are making changes needed for OPENSTEP/Mach. Produces ppm files so you will need PBMPlus or NetPBM. sane(http://www.azstarnet.com/~axplinux/sane/index.html): Actually a scanner independent library + backends for many existing scanners. Includes a frontend scanning program that is CLI only (plus some X-windows stuff which doesn't yet work under NS). Should work with Mutek (see above), HP, and older UMAX scanners. Being updated to support newer UMAX scanners and a backend is being written for the ScanMaker series. Has nice network scanning daemon. Look at the web page and get on the mailing list if you want to know more. MScan.app(http://www.this.net/~frank/franksprojects.html): Supports only Mustek 6000. Author is in process of modifying it to use the sane library and should therefore support all scanners that sane supports. Scan.app(Peak and Peanuts): Supports older UMAXes??? scan300(Peak and Peanuts): Supports Epson scanner (300c?) ============================= Other comments: If you're patient, the MScan/sane combo seems to be the most robost software wise. You could then choose from the large variety of scanners supported by sane. If you're impatient or have an urgent need for a scanner, get a ScanMaker E3 or E6 and use mtekscan. Eventually sane will support the ScanMakers so you can take advantage of MScan at that time. I hope that this information is useful to someone. Comments are welcome. David --- C. David Shaffer, Ph.D. Department of Physics Wayne State College Wayne, NE 68787 (402)375-7471 NeXTMail/MIME welcome! -- David Shaffer Department of Physics Wayne State College Wayne, NE 68787 shaffer@phyast.pitt.edu NeXTMail/MIME welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Where can I find DISKTAB entry for a Zip Drive? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EF2K3w.G3D@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:47:56 GMT References: <33E11848.2329@object.com> <EEG6t5.MKF@novice.uwaterloo.ca> <5sakpn$r0m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> <5t1e7p$7h0@suriname.earthlink.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5t1e7p$7h0@suriname.earthlink.net>, Matthew Reichman <mreichman@earthlink.net> wrote: >In <5sakpn$r0m@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Eric Bergerson wrote: >> Charles Swiger: "You need to provide the system with a disktab entry, >> since the Zip drive hardware does not correctly return the geometry >> information it should in response to a SCSI-II Mode Sense command." > > >Please e-mail me where I can find it. > I've never needed a disktab entry to use my Zip drive. It may lie about its geometry but it appears to stick to its story. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: philip@cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: will this combination work? Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:57:31 +0200 Organization: Computer Science Dept., Wits Message-ID: <philip-1908971657310001@macadamia.cs.wits.ac.za> I'm trying to piece together a PC to try OpenStep/WebObjects. It doesn't matter if it's not the absolute best configuration. The system I have available is currently running Linux. It has a PCI logic board, and IDE disk, no CD. From what I understand, a SCSI CD drive is needed to install. If I add a SCSI controller and CD, will this combination likely work (SCSI CD + IDE HD)? Will a 486 DX4/100 be fast enough to get a feel for how the system works, if not ideal for best performance/ It has 16M RAM, but I can get more. What is a fair minimum, giving I'm experimenting, rather than putting together a production system? I'd appreciate replies by mail since our news service isn't the greatest. Thanks. -- Philip Machanick Department of Computer Science University of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa phone 27(11)716-3309 fax 27(11)339-7965 http://www.cs.wits.ac.za/~philip/ philip@cs.wits.ac.za
From: "Jacob1" <timebomb@west.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ColorStation Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:12:45 GMT Organization: Jacob Stern & Sons Message-ID: <01bcacca$e4d0ed40$5dc147cf@jacob-1> I recently purchased a NeXT ColorStation and I am in the process of upgrading it... Will expanding from 16MB to 32MB of RAM improve performance noticably? I am also upgrading to NS3.2 from NS3.0. Is there a larger overhead for the OS? Any other info would be appreciated. Hunter
From: Curtis Crowson <curtis_crowson@emory.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Next Black Printer question Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:28:09 -0400 Organization: Emory University System of Health Care Message-ID: <33F9E5B9.6D3D@emory.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyway to print to a next laser printer that is hooked up to a next machine from a Mac? Can the next computer/printer pretend to be a postscript printer for a Mac or any other computer? It would seem like somebody would have already thought of this. thanks for any help Curtis
From: jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu (Jason L. Asbahr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Nitro hardware specs/construction details Date: 18 Aug 97 12:05:23 Organization: C.R.A.S.H. The Computers, Robotics, and Artists Society of Houston Message-ID: <JASON.97Aug18120523@fisher.psych.uh.edu> References: <33F446B3.13F8@ebs.ac.com> In-reply-to: Eric Ulmer's message of Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:08:19 -0500 > Why doesn't someone just reverse engineer the damn daughtercard and > post their findings in a FAQ? It cant be that complex.. or is it? Why not just buy one of Sam's Pyro upgrades? http://www.orb.com Generally speaking, though, I'd love to get access to the technical design docs on the original black hardware. In particular, I'd like to know more about the NeXTBus Interface chip and protocol. I'd love to use the NeXTBus as a communication channel between multiple 040 and 030 boards in a cube. Certainly faster than ethernet! :-) Why? Check out http://www.crash.org/projects/current/sandcastle.html for the answer... Jason
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Message-ID: <xhFqjZOr+RYb@cc.usu.edu> From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 19 Aug 97 07:50:40 MDT References: <5stkce$153$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5t4e1p$6s$7@nexusgate.oche.de> <fmlazar-1708971545090001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> <5tb2bh$9i3@slip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In <5tb2bh$9i3@slip.net> Emmett McLean wrote: > > > >> dyaeb@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (David Aston) wrote: > >> >Specifically, I'd like to drive an old NeXT 400dpi printer from a Sparc 5 > >> >running OpenStep 4.1. > > Well, shooting for straws .... > > Go to PrintManager.app Select the NeXT 400 dpi Lazer printer and tell > it to connect via serial port. Off hand I'd select 19200 as the baud rate. > and give it a whirl. Do'ht you'll have to have a cable. Which means > you'll probably have to have a custom made cable. Ah, take the pinout diagram > of the printer port to a cable shop and see if they can build you one > compatible with the Sun serial port. > > Emmett > What a ninny.
From: John Kheit <jkheit@cnj.digex.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ATI Rage II+ Driver Problems Date: 19 Aug 1997 20:31:28 GMT Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA Message-ID: <5tcvr0$clp$2@news2.digex.net> References: <5tb1p7$l2l$1@news.istar.ca> jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul Samson) wrote: > I recently purchased a Pentium II and am trying to install OPENSTEP > 4.2 on the machine. I thought that Apple supported the ATI 3D > Pro Turbo PC2TV (8 MB) card, but I now find that the drivers are > only for the 2 MB and 4 MB versions. I tryed using the 4 MB > driver, but this results in a black screen when OPENSTEP finishes > booting. (I am really having a hard time with this graphics > card--both Windows 95 and Windows NT have had similar troubles, > too.) Is there any way to get the card to work? I've also tried > changing a bunch of the expert options (i/o, memory, etc. according > to the values Windows 95 uses) to no avail. Does anyone know if > Apple will support this card in future? You must remove the extra 4Mb of memory and it will work fine with the 4mb driver. Unfortunatly this is the only work around right now, but a great card nonetheless... -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@cnj.digex.net Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.cnj.digex.net/~jkheit Franklin Pierce Law Center You're dangerous because you're honest
From: not_a@real_address.see_below ("Arthur C. Kyle") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Can't access SlimSCSI on Toshiba Tecra 740CDT - SOLVED Date: 19 Aug 1997 22:26:19 GMT Organization: Sirius Connections Message-ID: <5td6ib$9dj$2@news1.sirius.com> References: <5tao3u$7ps$2@news2.sirius.com> <5tbqc4$fs22@mx2.hrz.uni-essen.de> phy070@spo109 (H.-R. Oberhage) wrote: > The problem is most likely (from your boot-messages), that > you didn't include the driver for the PCMCIA-hostbridge, > which hopefully is an Intel-compatible PCIC one. I had indeed not loaded the proper PCMCIA drivers. I had been loading the Intel824X0 PCI host bridge and the Intel 82365 PCMCIA->PCI Bus Bridge as well as the PCMCIA Bus Support, but actually I should have loaded only the Intel 82365 PCMCIA Adapter and the PCMCIA Bus Support drivers. With that change, the SlimSCSI card is working now. Thank you! > The ATAPI cdrom always get an 'sd'-entry (faked), regardless > of the (E)IDE driver (dual or not) and if real scsi-devices > are present. Just see to it, that the real SCSI-devices are > registered first (order of 'bootdrivers' in System.config) > before the ATAPI-CD device I've changed to the dual EIDE driver, and the internal CD-ROM drive appears as a SCSI device after whatever is on the SlimSCSI. My Boot Drivers are, in order, "ISASerialPort Floppy PS2Keyboard PCMCIABus PCIBus EISABus PCIC AIC6X60SCSI EIDE." > And one thing I forgot. Put the notebook chips to > PCIC-compatible mode(!); there used to be a selection > on 'hardware' setup under DOS/WIN(95) between that and > another on I forgot on the 730CDT Interesting. I had changed that mode from 16-bit/CardBus to PCIC using the "Toshiba System" utility (you can also hit Esc during initial boot and make the change in the BIOS), though at the time it was an act of desperation. All is working now. Thanks again for your help. --Arthur ack at skylee dot com
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From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Next Black Printer question Date: 19 Aug 1997 22:31:54 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5td6sq$asi$2@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <33F9E5B9.6D3D@emory.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In <33F9E5B9.6D3D@emory.org> Curtis Crowson wrote: > Is there anyway to print to a next laser printer that is hooked up to a > next machine from a Mac? Can the next computer/printer pretend to be a > postscript printer for a Mac or any other computer? It would seem like > somebody would have already thought of this. I've already emailed Curtis about this, but I believe that CAPer is the program he is looking for. http://www.this.net/~frank/next_cap.html TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
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From: hamel@unixg.ubc.ca (Dr. Keith A. Hamel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: IOMEGA Zip Parallel Date: 11 Aug 1997 17:51:35 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <5snjf7$n0b$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Is is possible to use a Iomega Zip disk attached to the Printer port with OpenStep 4.1 ? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. - Keith Hamel hamel@unixg.ubc.ca
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Nitro hardware specs/construction details Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:47:00 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5tdeq4$idi@slip.net> References: <33F446B3.13F8@ebs.ac.com> <JASON.97Aug18120523@fisher.psych.uh.edu> In article <JASON.97Aug18120523@fisher.psych.uh.edu>, Jason L. Asbahr <jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu> wrote: > >> Why doesn't someone just reverse engineer the damn daughtercard and >> post their findings in a FAQ? It cant be that complex.. or is it? > >Why not just buy one of Sam's Pyro upgrades? http://www.orb.com > For 900$? Considering that one individual who purchased an upgrade posted to c.s.n.m that he was dissatisfied with the product and Sam's treatment of him , who would want to take that risk? Emmett
From: phy070@spo109 (H.-R. Oberhage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Problems with parallel port Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 12 Aug 1997 12:45:18 GMT Organization: Universitaet Essen GH, Germany Message-ID: <5splsu$5fq3@mx2.hrz.uni-essen.de> References: <871388727.20101@dejanews.com> Peter Lindberg (peter@us.upnet.se) wrote: : Hello. : : I have the following problem: : [...] : : Does anyone know what I need to do to get it working? Sometimes it is important, that the printer is hooked up and switched on(!), just to be recognized. On the other hand: Check that there is no problem between driver and port (i.e. boot verbose (-v) and see if there are any (additional) messages when pp0 is reported available. Greetings, Ruediger Oberhage -- H.-R. Oberhage Mail: Univ.-GH Essen E-Mail: phy070@sp2.power.Uni-Essen.DE Fachbereich 7 (Physik) ruediger@Theo-Phys.Uni-Essen.DE S05 V07 E88 Universitaetsstrasse 5 Phone: (+49) 201 / 183-2493 D-45117 Essen, Germany FAX: (+49) 201 / 183-2120
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Reinstall NS 3.3 after upgrading to 64 Megs ? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EF44sy.C5M@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:12:34 GMT References: <5t3dsj$pns@slip.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5t3dsj$pns@slip.net>, Emmett McLean <emclean@slip.net> wrote: >Hi, > >I just upgraded the RAM in my 040/25 cube from 40 Megs to >64 Megs. Upon running NXBenchmarks and experimenting with >the memory intensive zoom feature of Photo Album I don't >see any improvement in performance. > Perhaps you wern't taxing the 40MB version enough to need more memory? More RAM is only useful if you ran out before and had to page. >That is, would rebuilding the kernel under the 64 Meg >memory configuration be a good idea? > No one outside of NeXT can rebuild the kernel--re-installing just copies stuff from the CD. Anyway, rebuilding the kerbel wouldn't do you any good. >BTW, typing m in the ROM monitor says I have 64 megs, but >when the machine *first* booted after the upgrade, a system >test message said that some of the slots were not being >used. > I think that's some weird cruft from different board versions. If the OS claims to have 64MB then you're likely all set. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sonnet Accelerator in an 040 NeXT Date: 18 Aug 1997 23:54:28 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5tanbk$db0$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> References: <fmlazar-1708971537360001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> In article <fmlazar-1708971537360001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net>, Frank Lazar <fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com> wrote: [sonnet tech's 50MHz 040 accelerator for Macs] > As anyone heard of, or know >of the feasiblity of doing the same in a NeXT? May work if it fits. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue M/S 44UR Enterprise Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.1053 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company
From: Danny Wang <catalyst@holly.colostate.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Slab needs external SCSI? Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:52:31 -0600 Organization: Devilution Development Message-ID: <33FAB045.5497@holly.colostate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Weird problem, and this is the final resting place of my question. After changing the internal HD and re-installing NS3.3 on a mono slab, I can't seem to boot without connecting -and- terminating the external SCSI port via an external device, in this case, an external CD. If I don't have the cable to the slab, I get error 65 and 'SCSI Bus Hung' error when I boot. Looked everywhere and I can't seem to find an answer on this...:( Also tried to mess with boot params to no avail. Please help! TIA! :) -- Devilution Development -- Catalyst, changes, and much more... catalyst@devilution.com info@devilution.com http://www.devilution.com/
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Boris Pioline <bpioline@mail.cern.ch> Subject: puzzle: hard disk in Read-Only mode ? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95a.970820114448.24788D-100000@thwgs2> Sender: news@news.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:51:47 GMT Hello, We have a problem with a NextStation whose hard disk got full. It looks like the disk has switched to Read-only mode, since we can't remove any file whatsoever (we rebooted the machine with bsd -bs, then su - root). It looks something like : # rm /tmp/file Override 666 permission ? Yes /tmp/file not removed. and in some other occasions we got the message: 'Device is read-only' Does anybody have the answer to this puzzle ? B.P.
From: ians@cam-ani.co.uk (Ian Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ColorStation Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:42:02 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <EF7HM3.Iw7@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <01bcacca$e4d0ed40$5dc147cf@jacob-1> In article <01bcacca$e4d0ed40$5dc147cf@jacob-1> "Jacob1" <timebomb@west.net> writes: > Will expanding from 16MB to 32MB of RAM improve performance > noticably? Very much. 32 Is probably an OK amount for 3.X in colour. 20is ok for mono. Beyond that, more is better but 32 is probably enough. > I am also upgrading to NS3.2 from NS3.0. I presume you mean 4.0 > Is there a larger > overhead for the OS? Any other info would be appreciated. Yes. Rumour has it you'll want to go to 64M. $an
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Boris Pioline <bpioline@mail.cern.ch> Subject: Re: puzzle: hard disk in Read-Only mode ? In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95a.970820114448.24788D-100000@thwgs2> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95a.970820123542.24788F-100000@thwgs2> Sender: news@news.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics References: <Pine.GSO.3.95a.970820114448.24788D-100000@thwgs2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:37:11 GMT I forgot to mention that we were getting an error page_out: error 28 : disk full during boot. I'm not sure what this page_out is... > We have a problem with a NextStation whose hard disk got full. > It looks like the disk has switched to Read-only mode, since > we can't remove any file whatsoever (we rebooted the machine > with bsd -bs, then su - root). It looks something like : > > # rm /tmp/file > Override 666 permission ? Yes > /tmp/file not removed. > > and in some other occasions we got the message: > 'Device is read-only' > > Does anybody have the answer to this puzzle ? > > B.P. > > > >
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:55:15 -0600 From: okrina@cybertron.at Subject: S: Hardware Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Message-ID: <872016936.20484@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service Hi! I am searching for any NeXT-related stuff especially for: Next-modem Next-CD-ROM drive 3,5" Floppy drive for my 040 Cube Next-Dimension Board. Please send your offers: okrina@cybertron.at -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: lal9@po.CWRU.Edu (Larry A. Latson, Jr.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help: OpenStep4.2 IDE SUPPORT ??????? Date: 20 Aug 1997 13:15:31 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Message-ID: <5teqlj$5tr@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> Well, after searching the net for days, I finally gave up on finding a cheap copy of OpenStep4.2, and purchased the academic bundle directly from Apple. It's on its way. But now I've been reading all over the place that OpenStep has little or no IDE support, and I've got a totally IDE based Intel system. Is this going to be a huge hassle? Are there certain drivers I can download to do this? Or am I going to be left with some CD's that I can't use until I can shell out` several hundred dollars for a SCSI card, drive, and CDROM?? Thanks for any help and/or comments, LL -- "The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye. The story of love is hello and goodbye. Until we meet again." -JimiH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fugue@ccp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: Slab needs external SCSI? In-Reply-To: Danny Wang's message of Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:52:31 -0600 Message-ID: <ukv90xxlyk7.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Sender: fugue@dura.spc.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services References: <33FAB045.5497@holly.colostate.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:27:20 GMT Danny Wang <catalyst@holly.colostate.edu> said: > > Weird problem, and this is the final resting place of my question. After > changing the internal HD and re-installing NS3.3 on a mono slab, I can't > seem to boot without connecting -and- terminating the external SCSI port > via an external device, in this case, an external CD. If I don't have > the cable to the slab, I get error 65 and 'SCSI Bus Hung' error when I > boot. > > Looked everywhere and I can't seem to find an answer on this...:( Also > tried to mess with boot params to no avail. Please help! TIA! :) Sounds like your internal drive isn't terminated. Check to see if the termination resistor packs are attached to the drive. --Mark IBM
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From: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Date: 18 Aug 1997 07:46:08 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <5t8uk0$hch$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> <5t3hri$s8i$1@vader.wolfware.ipc.net> cwolf@wolfware.com (Christopher Wolf) wrote: > I've got an 8M Millenium running the 4.03 version of the Millenium driver. I > had no luck getting the 4.05 version of the Millenium driver working. (Crashed > the system during boot.) Anyone else having problems? I am currently testing a Millennium II and it works just fine. Do you have Omnigroup's PentiumPro driver running? It should be disabled when you change graphic cards and re-enabled when the new driver is up and running. Marcel --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
From: bresink@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Marcel Bresink) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Multiple OS in 2 SCSI disks Date: 13 Aug 1997 12:38:02 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <5ss9ra$puj$1@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <01bca82c$34614ab0$0ec7b8c2@ppro> "Stefano Gragnani" <stefano@tirreno.it> wrote: > After all my problem is how I can use two SCSI disks for my OS and to > choose one OS at the boot, that is: The solution is to have a very small NEXTSTEP partition on the first disk to satisfy the NeXT boot loader, and to store a special configuration file in this partition that will boot from your second disk. NEXTSTEP fans call this a "kick-disk configuration". You'll find more information in NeXTAnswers document #1487 "Booting From an Alternative Hard Disk". Marcel --- Marcel Bresink, University of Koblenz, Institute for Computer Science Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany, Fon: +49-261-9119-421 Fax: ...-497 MIME/NeXT Mail accepted --- WWW: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~bresink
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Nitro hardware specs/construction details Date: 20 Aug 1997 17:34:58 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5tf9s2$asi$5@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <33F446B3.13F8@ebs.ac.com> <JASON.97Aug18120523@fisher.psych.uh.edu> <5tdeq4$idi@slip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: emclean@slip.net In <5tdeq4$idi@slip.net> Emmett McLean wrote: > In article <JASON.97Aug18120523@fisher.psych.uh.edu>, > Jason L. Asbahr <jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu> wrote: > > > >> Why doesn't someone just reverse engineer the damn daughtercard and > >> post their findings in a FAQ? It cant be that complex.. or is it? > > > >Why not just buy one of Sam's Pyro upgrades? http://www.orb.com > > > For 900$? > > Considering that one individual who purchased an upgrade posted > to c.s.n.m that he was dissatisfied with the product and Sam's > treatment of him , who would want to take that risk? 1) the Pyro is for non-turbo machines only, the Nitro is for turbo machines 2) $900 is a lot, but if it works it would make the machine a lot more usable. Buying a new machine is an option, sure. 3) I've had plenty of good conversations with Sam, and I've heard tons of people recount excellent experiences with both him and his company. TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
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From: Eric Ulmer <ulmerer@ebs.ac.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Related Web Site Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:12:57 -0500 Organization: Andersen Consulting/ServiceNet LLC. Message-ID: <33FAED59.5070@ebs.ac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just updated my NeXT related page at: http://www.isd.net/eulmer I also found a really interesting web site at http://www.groenbros.com They're making some really interesting flying machines for China.
From: "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:29:20 -0600 Organization: Illinois State University Message-ID: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <frustration> Apple, what's up with the PowerPC Platform (or PPCP or CHRP - Common Hardware Reference Platform)? I didn't invest in Apple to see such short-sighted decisions on licensing being made. WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU KILLING CLONES? Many articles, letters to cloners and SEC filings have said how you're now refusing to certify PPCP/CHRP boxes and reviewing the decision to provide licensing. Apple Hardware should be a SEPERATE COMPANY. Apple needs to stop this complex it seems to have where it needs to maintain control of everything. Where's the liberty in the PowerPC clone market. Forget Steve Jobs' comments about egalitarianism at Apple, etcetera...where's the LIBERTARIANISM? Apple, two words: O P E N U P ! OpenStep is a JOKE without also opening up hardware. In fact, the OpenStep standardization should be handed off to the GNUstep effort... Be, it may be your time to shine with regard to PPCP/CHRP clones... </frustration> Soon, hopefully there can be a vibrant Mac OS/OS X market...free from domineering control. -- Eric A. Dubiel; http://www.ilstu.edu/~eadubie mailto:eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu MIME, SUN, NeXT, PGP Mail ok R&D--Instructional Technology Development--Illinois State University "I first saw NEXTSTEP in 1990 and I was blown away."-Eric Schmidt, Novell Inc CEO VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE ENTIRELY MY OWN
From: rmcassid@uci.edu (Bob Cassidy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:53:35 -0700 Organization: UC Irvine Message-ID: <rmcassid-2008971353360001@dante.eng.uci.edu> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> In article <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>, "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> wrote: > <frustration> > Apple, what's up with the PowerPC Platform (or PPCP or CHRP - Common > Hardware Reference Platform)? Its on hold until Apple can figure out how to not go out of business. > I didn't invest in Apple to see such short-sighted decisions on > licensing being made. WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU KILLING CLONES? Because they don't care about your reasons for buying into Apple. They care about staying in business. At this time clones are hampering that effort. In the future, with some changes, whatever, that may no longer be the case. These are *NOT* short-sighted decisions if Apple's lifespan turns out to be 6 months. Getting profitable before going out of business is a long-term strategy based on short-term actions. > Many articles, letters to cloners and SEC filings have said how you're > now refusing to certify PPCP/CHRP boxes and reviewing the decision to > provide licensing. Yep. > Apple Hardware should be a SEPERATE COMPANY. Yep. Provide a way for them to do it and I suspect they will. It's not as simple as you think... > Apple needs to stop this complex it seems to have where it needs to > maintain control of everything. Where's the liberty in the PowerPC > clone market. Forget Steve Jobs' comments about egalitarianism at > Apple, etcetera...where's the LIBERTARIANISM? Liberty? And I quote the parking attendent from Ferris Buellers Day Off: "Uh, what country do you this is?" Libertarianism? C'mon sonny, get out of the house once in a while. Capitalism pure and simple - Apple is in the business of making money, not making you, or Motorola, or Power Computing happy or in destroying the Evil Empire. Go look at MS and Intel - they are where they are *because* they have control of everything. > OpenStep is a JOKE without also opening up hardware. Who says it won't be? This is MacOS we're talking about here. Rhapsody/Intel is open, why wouldn't Rhapsody/PPC be? > In fact, the OpenStep standardization should be handed off to the > GNUstep effort... Depends on what Apple's plans are for Rhapsody. > Be, it may be your time to shine with regard to PPCP/CHRP clones... > </frustration> Be has problems of it's own. I can still buy MacOS boxes from Apple, I still can't buy many apps for Be. > Soon, hopefully there can be a vibrant Mac OS/OS X market...free from > domineering control. Hopefully there will be for MacOS. But if it's free, it won't be cheap. It should be more open for Rhapsody, though. -Bob Cassidy
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Nitro hardware specs/construction details Date: 20 Aug 1997 14:12:37 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5tfmk5$isl@slip.net> References: <33F446B3.13F8@ebs.ac.com> <JASON.97Aug18120523@fisher.psych.uh.edu> <5tdeq4$idi@slip.net> <5tf9s2$asi$5@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> > >1) the Pyro is for non-turbo machines only, the Nitro is for turbo machines I'm aware of that. It was suggested that a Pyro be purchased that's all. > >2) $900 is a lot, but if it works it would make the machine a lot more >usable. Buying a new machine is an option, sure. If it works, but one poster to c.s.n.m said he was disstatisfied with the Pyro board and with the way Sam treated him once he reported it didn't work. > >3) I've had plenty of good conversations with Sam, and I've heard tons of >people recount excellent experiences with both him and his company. Sam sells lots of nice software as well as hardware. Such purchases don't require Sam's good word. He has it and if you buy it and it doesn't work it's probably not Sam's fault. The point is what motivation does one have to say, "Sam is a jerk"? Most people who have bad experience with him would just prefer to to burn any bridges. They might want to purchase Illustrator from him or something. I'll say this, if I had the choice of purchasing the same item from Sam and from Shannon at DeepSpace I'd go with Shannon *right* away. Emmett
From: Scott Byer <byer@corp.adobe.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 20 Aug 1997 14:08:36 -0700 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA Sender: byer@PUNISHMENT Message-ID: <ud8n8ef57.fsf@corp.adobe.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Eric A Dubiel writes: Eric> <frustration> Apple, what's up with the PowerPC Platform (or PPCP or Eric> CHRP - Common Hardware Reference Platform)? Eric> I didn't invest in Apple to see such short-sighted decisions on Eric> licensing being made. WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU KILLING CLONES? :-)? :-(!!! Apple's killing the CHRP clones is lame. Just because Apple Hardware can't stop itself from designing broken custom chips that hamstring their new machines (i.e., the completely dorked memory bus in the new 9600), doesn't mean that the MacOS should die for it. The clones were doing well at building machines that got close to competing against Wintel on price/performance. No good spin on this one... -- Scott Byer, Computer Scientist mailto:byer@adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mailstop W10 These are my opinions, and 345 Park Avenue do not necessarily reflect San Jose, CA 95110-9704 the opinions of my employer. --------- 56 bits is not enough. Visit http://rc5.distributed.net/ ---------
From: nospam@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Aztech Sound Galaxy Washington 16 Driver Date: 20 Aug 1997 21:31:59 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5tfnof$an8$1@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <01bcad8b$b15924c0$a936bcca@enerson.tm.net.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: enerson@tm.net.my In <01bcad8b$b15924c0$a936bcca@enerson.tm.net.my> "Enerson" wrote: > Does anybody know where to download driver for Aztech Sound Galaxy > Washington 16. > > I am using Win95, need the latest driver, please help me!!! If you are using Win95 then why are you posting to comp.sys.NEXT.hardware? TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
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From: "L. Todd Heberlein" <heberlei@NetSQ.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 20 Aug 1997 22:05:12 GMT Organization: mother.com Internet Services Message-ID: <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> > I didn't invest in Apple to see such short-sighted decisions on > licensing being made. WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU KILLING CLONES? I don't know the full details, and I doubt that the people who do are going to contribute to any of these newsgroups. But there are some basic issues to consider. First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's marketshare. If this is the case, the only thing the clone makers are doing for Apple is making Apple unprofitable. This in turn cuts into future R&D and, in the end, Apple's ability to create better software in the future. Second, Apple may have an offer on the table but the clone makers won't take it. Rumors are that Joel Kocher, former CEO/COO for Power Computing, has led the ralley to keep MacOS license costs low. Certainly Joel knows what Microsoft charged for Windows when he worked at (Dell?), and I think he believes Apple should charge a similar price. Unfortunatley, the numbers will not work out. If Apple made as much money per copy of MacOS that Microsoft did for each copy of Win95, Apple would only have a fraction (1/8?) of the money for R&D for future OS releases compared to Microsoft. In short, it doesn't matter if Apple gives away MacOS (or even Rhapsody) for free, it won't move as many copies as Windows, at least not for a few years. Even Gil Amelio was quoted the other day saying that the early MacOS license were a give away. Apple needs cash flow, and I am sure they have run the numbers and know what values they need to set. > Apple Hardware should be a SEPERATE COMPANY. I agree, and I still think you will probably see that within a year. However, the point is still the same: Apple needs a solid revenue stream from its MacOS license, whether they are from Apple Hardware, Inc., Motorola, or UMAX. If Steve Jobs thinks shedding the hardware business is in Apple's best interest, he will. He did it at NeXT and changed the compnay name from NeXT Computer to NeXT Software. Don't be surprised if he does it again. > Be, it may be your time to shine with regard to PPCP/CHRP clones... Well, Be needs to start charging for their OS as well. BeOS as a low cost operating system has been an illusion created by using borrowed money. Soon Be will have to make money or simply hope someone buys them out. They cannot continue doing business as they have been. > Soon, hopefully there can be a vibrant Mac OS/OS X market...free from > domineering control. There won't be any market, vibrant or otherwise, if Apple cannot make a profit. So the real questions is, what does Apple need to do to become profitable? In reality, nothing else matters - no profits, no company. Don't give up yet. Apple is finally making bold moves and hard decisions. It has a tough board which understands the financial numbers, running companies, running *software* companies in particular, and competing against Microsoft. Cheers, Todd Heberlein
From: peltz@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu (Steve Peltz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 20 Aug 1997 23:11:42 GMT Organization: NovaNET Learning, Inc. Message-ID: <5tftje$80d$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: >Second, Apple may have an offer on the table but the clone makers won't >take it. Rumors are that Joel Kocher, former CEO/COO for Power Computing, >has led the ralley to keep MacOS license costs low. Certainly Joel knows >what Microsoft charged for Windows when he worked at (Dell?), and I think >he believes Apple should charge a similar price. All indications are that price is not the issue. They've already agreed on prices that are HIGHER than they could get buying them off the shelf (I'd rather they had let me buy 7.6, and reduce the price by that much, rather than bundle it, then I would have been eligible for a free upgrade to 8.0; as it was, I got my machine a few days too early, whereas if I had bought a copy, it would have been eligible).
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From: bozaque <bozack@underwear.insync.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Adaptec 7880 and 3.3/4.1 Date: 21 Aug 1997 00:54:35 GMT Organization: Insync Internet Services Message-ID: <5tg3kb$i7d$1@synthemesc.insync.net> The Adaptec 7880 isn't listed on the hardware compatibility list, but it's the only SCSI controller I've been able to find on a normal Pentium motheboard (I don't want to upgrade to a Pentium Pro or Pentium II). It's supposedly fully compatible with the 2940 family, but I don't want to take any chances of it not being compatible. Anyone have any experiences with this chipset? Thanks, Dan bozack@insync.net
From: ptwareck@the-wire.com (Piotr Twarecki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Which non-NeXT trackball/mouse works with ADB slabs? Date: 21 Aug 1997 01:03:57 GMT Organization: iSTAR internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5tg45t$3iv$1@nr1.toronto.istar.net> Hi. I just returned a Kensington Orbit trackball which would not work with my ADB TurboColor. My machine would not recognize it when booting. If I rebooted with the NeXT mouse and then plugged the trackball, everything seemd to work ok with the exception of the right mouse button. Still, this is a bit inconvenient. After several phone calls to Decision One and Kensington I concluded that most new ADB pointing devices will not work with the NeXT. Is there a compatibility list available anywhere as to which trackballs and which mice will work with the ADB hardware? Thanks in advance for any hints. -- Piotr Twarecki <ptwareck@the-wire.com> (NeXTMail and MIME welcome)
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Message-ID: <33FBA6F8.2734ADFF@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:24:56 -0700 From: Carlos Block <cblock@ibm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Openstep 4.1 on TravelPro HELP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have a AMS Tech TravelPro laptop in which I am trying to install Openstep 4.1. The computer has a 13" LCD 1024x768 (CT65550) and a Eiger Labs EigerNet 10/100 Mb ethernet card (PCMCIA). I wonder if anybody knows where I can get drivers for this hardware. Thanks, Carlos B. email: cblock@ibm.net
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ColorStation Turbo and Memory Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:53:57 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5tge4l$29@slip.net> References: <33E1CE8E.5635FAB4@bigfoot.com> <EEAH4E.H2@nidat.sub.org> <owolf-ya02408000R0708970112150001@news.pdnt.com> > >I've tried installing two 32 Meg SIMMs from my Mac including two 4 Meg >SIMMs in the other bank and my Color Turbo wouldn't boot. In fact the >display was all screwed up (very hard to describe), but the machine purrs >along just fine with two 4 Meg SIMMs from another Mac. The screwed up horizontal star display? That is the behavior of adding the SIMMS but not pushing them deeply enough into the slots on the motherboard for them to be recognized by the system. Emmett
From: Robert Nicholson <steffi@shell8.ba.best.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 20 Aug 1997 22:14:50 -0700 Message-ID: <yl390xwm81h.fsf@shell8.ba.best.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> writes: > > <frustration> > Apple, what's up with the PowerPC Platform (or PPCP or CHRP - Common > Hardware Reference Platform)? > > I didn't invest in Apple to see such short-sighted decisions on > licensing being made. WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU KILLING CLONES? > Simple, when Rhapsody becomes something Apple will sell to you directly. Apple believes Rhapsody will sell hardware.
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:38:33 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, "L. Todd Heberlein" <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating > greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's > marketshare. And there is strong evidence that this was Apple's own damn fault. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EF6JG4.3B9@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:24:04 GMT References: <5stkce$153$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5t4e1p$6s$7@nexusgate.oche.de> <fmlazar-1708971545090001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <fmlazar-1708971545090001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net>, Frank Lazar <fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com> wrote: > >Macintosh Adobe Pagemaker comes with a PPD for the NeXT laser printer. So >it does seem to be possible at least in theory to drive a NeXT with an >Apple printer. Of course some kind of driver software would be needed, >but it must have existed at one point. Either that, or the printer would >be networked to a NeXT station and the Apple would just print over >ethernet. > Networking is exactly how this would work. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: tzs@halcyon.com (Tim Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 20 Aug 1997 19:39:40 -0700 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Message-ID: <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: >First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating >greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's >marketshare. If this is the case, the only thing the clone makers are Well, duh! With clones essentially forced to be nothing more than Macintosh's that happen to have some final assembly done outside of Apple (OK, I'm exaggerating *slightly*), is it really surprising that they haven't expanded the MacOS market? To really expand the MacOS market, the clone makers need to be allowed to make machines that people who would not otherwise have bought a Mac would want. --Tim Smith
From: "Sean C." <Corliss@A1.tch.harvard.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:19:03 -0400 Organization: Children's Hospital Message-ID: <33FC4E57.D4D@A1.tch.harvard.edu> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Vaughan wrote: > > In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, "L. Todd Heberlein" > <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > > > > First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating > > greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's > > marketshare. > > And there is strong evidence that this was Apple's own damn fault. > > -- > Matthew Vaughan > > matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) > > --------- > This is your mind. > This is duality. > This is your mind on duality... License agreements are more urgent for Apple than any sort of CHRP Agreement. I could Care Less about CHRP! I do want to know that a fair OS License has been reached. Sean C. Corliss@A1.tch.harvard.edu
From: vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Serial port problems -- need help Date: 21 Aug 1997 15:31:47 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5thn13$9hh@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> I have an Intel Pentium running NS 3.3, hard drive partitioned with NS and Win NT. I have been unable to communicate using my modem on either the NS or the Win NT. The modem does work -- I use it regularly on another machine. Indications/symptoms: Some possibly useful info: 2 unused serial ports: (1) COM 2, IRQ 12, (2) Custom, IRQ 3???? Bus Bouse -- IRQ 4 (I tried changing this, but it will not allow me to change it to another value) SoundBlaster -- IRQ 5 Note that the COM 1 setting cannot be used because the IRQ for the Bus Mouse is set (permanently it seems??) to 4. When using the serial port associated with IRQ12, the mouse freezes. Some literature from one of the old NextInFocus magazines mentions IRQ setting 12 as usually used by a PS-2 ?? style mouse. Is this the problem? How do I resolve it? I have tried changing IRQ settings using various combinations but they have all failed. Thanks for all help that anybody can give me. Vicki Bragin -- ********************************************************** Victoria M. Bragin E-mail: vbragin@ix.netcom.com Associate Professor of Chemistry, Physical Sciences Division Pasadena City College, 1570 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena, CA Phone: (626) 585-7147 Fax: (626) 585-7919 ********************************************************** ********************************************************** Joseph Bragin E-mail: jbragin@calstatela.edu Associate Dean, School of Natural and Social Sciences California State University, Los Angeles Phone: (213) 343-2540 Fax: (213) 343-2011 **********************************************************
From: vbragin@ix.netcom.com (Vicki Bragin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Serial port problems (Repost, sorry) Date: 21 Aug 1997 18:11:27 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5ti0cf$d9@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> First, I apologize for the repost but I did not realize that I posted incorrect info. I am usually careful -- but, I erred this time. I have an Intel Pentium running NS 3.3, hard drive partitioned with NS and Win NT. I have been unable to communicate using my modem on either the NS or the Win NT. The modem does work -- I use it regularly on another machine. Some useful configuration info: 2 unused serial ports: (1) COM 2, IRQ 3, (2) Custom, IRQ 12 Bus Mouse -- IRQ 4 (I tried changing this, but it will not allow me to change it to another value) SoundBlaster 16 -- IRQ 5 When using the serial port associated with IRQ 12, the mouse freezes. Literature from an old NextInFocus magazine mentions IRQ setting 12 as usually used by a PS/2 mouse. Is this the problem? If so, how do I resolve it? I have tried changing IRQ settings using various combinations but they have all failed. Note that the COM 1 setting for the serial port cannot be used because the IRQ for the Bus Mouse is set (permanently, it seems) to 4. Thanks for the help. Vicki Bragin -- ********************************************************** Victoria M. Bragin E-mail: vbragin@ix.netcom.com Associate Professor of Chemistry, Physical Sciences Division Pasadena City College, 1570 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena, CA Phone: (626) 585-7147 Fax: (626) 585-7919 **********************************************************
From: Kai Cherry <mrkai@sakurakai.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Black hardware speedup-HOW 'BOUT THIS? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:06:53 -0400 Organization: @Home Networks Message-ID: <33FC83BC.AFAAF721@sakurakai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been reading these thing about, Nitros an' Pyros and whatnots...but the one thing I *didn't* see was the way I speeded up my '040 and PowerMac 6100 (in the BadOl'Days) - ClockChipping (aka Overclocking in Tha' PC world) There are a *ton* of mac related pages (and products) for this. Some notes: Clock Chipping *does* work. It does. I've done it. My pals (who still have Macs) did it 3 years ago and their Macs still run fine. It's fairly cheap. Should be able to buy a mac clock-chipper cheap*** I'm a newbie at this..for all I know this idea was dismissed eons ago :) ***I opened my color turbo and found something *very* strange. What appears to be the clock crystal hass a 100.0000mhz speed, not the 66.0000 I was expecting. It also has this funny-looking clamp job over the cpu. Are these things normal?)
From: naoyuki_tai@avid.com (Naoyuki Tai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Looking for Next ADB keyboard Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:08:14 -0400 Organization: Avid Technology, Inc. Message-ID: <naoyuki_tai-ya02408000R2108971508140001@news.avid.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! I'm looking for a place to buy a Next ADB keyboard. If you know a reseller or some sort, please let me know. Thanks. -- naoyuki_tai@avid.com
From: dinse@catatac.niehs.nih.gov (Gregg E. Dinse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 2 computers and 1 monitor Date: 21 Aug 1997 18:43:29 GMT Organization: NIEHS Message-ID: <5ti28h$d5e$1@jeeves.niehs.nih.gov> Keywords: PowerMac, NeXT, monitor Hi, I'd like to have a NeXT and a PowerMac 9600 share a common monitor. I have one scenario in mind. I'd like to get comments on that and suggestions about any alternatives. The EIZO (Nanao) TX-D7S (20" Trinitron) monitor supposedly allows switching between two active computers. I think the EIZO comes with a Mac to PC connector, so that I should be able to use the EIZO video cable to connect the Mac to the D-Sub 15-pin connector on the back of the monitor. The NeXT colorstation has a 13W3 connector and its video cable has a 13W3 connector on each end. I have a NeXT adapter that converts the 13W3 connector to 3 BNC connecters. I assume that I can simply connect the 3 BNC connectors on the adapter to the appropriate 3 BNC inputs on the back of the EIZO monitor. There is a button on the front of the monitor to toggle between two computers. I assume this works, but I haven't tried it (I don't have the Mac yet). Does anyone have any comments on this strategy or this monitor? EIZO claims it will work fine. Does anyone know of other high-end monitors that allow the same thing? Any stories, good or bad? I was planning on getting a Sony 20seII, but I called the Sony Tech Support line and the guy said that there is no way to toggle back and forth. He said that only the image from "the first" computer will be displayed and that to get a display for the other computer, the first one must be turned off. I want to have both systems running. Is he right? Has anyone been able to do this with a Sony? I suppose that I could use an A/B switch. Some of these switches are expensive and I've heard that the signal can be degraded. Any comments on this approach? Thank you in advance. Any help would be appreciated. Bye, Gregg =========================== Gregg Dinse 919-541-4931 dinse@catatac.niehs.nih.gov
From: sbhunter@osprey.smcm.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: SCSI CD-ROM Drivers Anywhere? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:50:15 GMT Organization: St. Mary's College of MD Message-ID: <5ti60f$jm$1@hecate.umd.edu> We have some NeXT cubes & slabs, as well as some SCSI CD-ROM drives. We'd LOVE to get these guys talking, esp. with the latest versions of things coming out on CD-ROM. Nothing fancy; we just want to mount a CD & be able to read from it. I'm assuming that we need drivers to make this happen, but don't know where to look for them -- in fact, I'm not sure what else/instead-of-drivers we would need. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, scott
From: Dennis Schneider <dennis_schneider@phx.mcd.mot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:14:13 -0700 Message-ID: <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I can't comment on things that are private: 1. The "Market Expansion" theory has nothing to do with the MACOS licensin issue -- no vendor is presently expanding the MACOS market effectively, most certainly including Apple. If a formula for doing so existed, I suspect all the MACOS vendors might well be using it. Perhaps more time should be/should have been spent on addressing this problem vs. listing it under the heading of "decision rationale". 2. The "Affordability" theory simply doesn't hold up under analysis. Assume all the licensees ship 100K units per quarter and that they all sell for $5k and return $1K each in margin -- the total margin is $100M/quarter as a maximum. Apple receives a significant part of this in royalties for each overall system (not just MACOS) -- what remains is now available to pay bills. Now assume that 100% of this shifted back. Take this imaginary $100M through the P/L structure of Apple and it's not exactly clear that you can find the difference to Apple's shareholders. Of course, all of that assumes that every buyer of a clone will return to the fold (unlikely if the folks that participate in the newsgroup are a sample), that 100% of the units that licensees shipped were very high end (they weren't), etc. Bottom line: the difference isn't,wasn't, and would not have been so material as to have been life-threatening. I'm sorry I get to newsgroups rarely - but I'll try to check in again in a week or so. Dennis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Sonnet Accelerator in an 040 NeXT Message-ID: <EFA382.H6x@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <5tanbk$db0$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:24:02 GMT In article <5tanbk$db0$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: > In article <fmlazar-1708971537360001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net>, > Frank Lazar <fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com> wrote: > [sonnet tech's 50MHz 040 accelerator for Macs] > > As anyone heard of, or know > >of the feasiblity of doing the same in a NeXT? > > May work if it fits. > No, it won't. The main board isn' t overclockable. You'd need a separate clock for the processor and some cirquitry to isolate the bus. Such a beast was made (by NeXT!) for a 40MHz 040. It was named Nitro and was only used within NeXT's development group. Only very few escaped into the open. They're sold as collectible items. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | E-mail defunct, sorry # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int%rauug.mil.wi.us@bofh.int> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,uswest.test Subject: cmsg cancel <5tg1ml$hf67@utoepia.advtech.uswest.com> Control: cancel <5tg1ml$hf67@utoepia.advtech.uswest.com> Date: 21 Aug 1997 20:55:10 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.5tg1ml$hf67@utoepia.advtech.uswest.com> Sender: NNTP Component <nntpcomp@microsoft.com> My From: line has been fudged because many test newsgroup autoresponders respond to control messages. My apologies! Please see the X-Cancelled-By: line for my proper address. Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Black hardware speedup-HOW 'BOUT THIS? Date: 21 Aug 1997 21:36:44 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5ticdc$j6a$2@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <33FC83BC.AFAAF721@sakurakai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mrkai@sakurakai.com In <33FC83BC.AFAAF721@sakurakai.com> Kai Cherry wrote: > Clock Chipping *does* work. It does. I've done it. My pals (who still > have Macs) did it 3 years ago and their Macs still run fine. It doesn't work on the NeXT, which has a tightly inter-connected system, I would assume due to its real multitasking versus the Macs. TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
From: nospam@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: SCSI CD-ROM Drivers Anywhere? Date: 21 Aug 1997 21:35:08 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5ticac$j6a$1@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <5ti60f$jm$1@hecate.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: sbhunter@osprey.smcm.edu In <5ti60f$jm$1@hecate.umd.edu> sbhunter@osprey.smcm.edu wrote: Hi Scott Please choose *one* NeXT newsgroup to post to. Marketplace was definitely wrong, and software was pretty far off too. > We have some NeXT cubes & slabs, as well as some SCSI CD-ROM drives. > We'd LOVE to get these guys talking, esp. with the latest versions of > things coming out on CD-ROM. Nothing fancy; we just want to mount a > CD & be able to read from it. I'm assuming that we need drivers to > make this happen, but don't know where to look for them -- in fact, > I'm not sure what else/instead-of-drivers we would need. Get the right cable (DB25/Centronics I can never remember) to whatever the CD-ROM is, plug it in, turn the machine on and voila. No drivers for NeXT hardware. TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Looking for Next ADB keyboard Date: 21 Aug 1997 21:53:54 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5tiddi$j6a$3@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <naoyuki_tai-ya02408000R2108971508140001@news.avid.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: naoyuki_tai@avid.com www.orb.com or www.deepspacetech.com will probably have them. TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
From: martin@beauty.rwth-aachen.de (Martin Klocke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: SCSI CD-ROM Drivers Anywhere? Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:23:02 GMT Organization: Aachen University of Technology / Rechnerbetrieb Informatik Message-ID: <5tiikm$8n3$1@news.rwth-aachen.de> References: <5ti60f$jm$1@hecate.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: sbhunter@osprey.smcm.edu In <5ti60f$jm$1@hecate.umd.edu> sbhunter@osprey.smcm.edu wrote: > We have some NeXT cubes & slabs, as well as some SCSI CD-ROM drives. > We'd LOVE to get these guys talking, esp. with the latest versions of > things coming out on CD-ROM. Nothing fancy; we just want to mount a > CD & be able to read from it. I'm assuming that we need drivers to > make this happen, but don't know where to look for them -- in fact, > I'm not sure what else/instead-of-drivers we would need. > > Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Drivers ?? I don't think so. Did you try and it didn't work, or are you just wondering if..?? As far as I know and as far as I've tried, CDROM on NeXT hardware is plug'n'play. Plug it in....it works straightaway Insert a CD....it mounts automatically on your workspace... There is no problem, and no driver needed either. That's it !! Try and have fun Martin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EF8B3J.C94@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:18:55 GMT References: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> <5tb4m1$m3j@fridge-nf0.shore.net> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5tb4m1$m3j@fridge-nf0.shore.net>, Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> wrote: > >Sony has a new 24" color monitor for a mere $4500. ;-) Weighs a ton >but for some applications (like CAD), it is very much desirable. > Yeah. I've used 23" monitors before (some IBM thing--can't remember the number) and they're pretty neat. Great for trade shows. But as you said, moving them is, uh, unpleasant. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: ~eseale~@enteract.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: GO TO #NeXTstep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on IRC!!!! Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 03:27:54 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Message-ID: <5tip34$snf@eve.enteract.com>
From: sitzkrieg@erols.com (Sitzkrieg Redundus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: I hate the word "newbie", but... Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 03:01:27 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <33fcfe76.39318381@news.erols.com> 'kay. Just getting in the NeXT platform thing, and the (limited) information I've found thus far has been mostly helpful, but questions do linger (Those darn questions-- always hanging ao\round after everyone else has gone home!) The first major question is: Was there or was there not a 33Mhz 68040 based Cube? I've seen references to Turbo Cubes, but didn't know if there were refering to the 040's or the original 030's. Is there a version of the NeXT OS that's is considered "more stable" than others? I know Mac users are always arguing which release is the best, but didn't know if it applied to the NeXT universe. Exactly how upgradable are the slabs? For example, what is the hardware difference between the Mono and the Color models, and are Cubes generally the more versatile? Finally, I've heard no-to-great things about the Pyro board, and the Nitro board seems to be almost impossible to locate (y'all already have 'em all! ;) -- were any other accelerators made? If so where?! If not, who do I have to mug to get a Nitro? I'm not a newbie to the Net by any means, and I know Mac stuff pretty well. I've pretty much wrung the last drop of blood out of Altavista, and links off of links off of links. Any and all help/web sites/information would be quite cool. Thanx. --noah
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:49:39 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> In article <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com>, dennis_schneider@phx.mcd.mot.com wrote: > 1. The "Market Expansion" theory has nothing to do with the MACOS > licensin issue -- no vendor is presently expanding the MACOS market > effectively, most certainly including Apple. If a formula for doing so > existed, I suspect all the MACOS vendors might well be using it. > Perhaps more time should be/should have been spent on addressing this > problem vs. listing it under the heading of "decision rationale". There are two formulas, both of which Apple has nixed: 1) CHRP. With a more open architecture, and without some of the hardware limitations of existing Apple motherboard designs, performance can improve, and more configurations are possible, all at cheaper prices. You will notice that Apple is refusing to allow clones to sell their CHRP machines, CHRP laptops, and even their G3 machines. 2) An established PC maker could sell Macs. They already have manufacturing facilities, presence in the sales channel, extensive advertising in PC magazines, major corporate customers, and the familiarity and trust of computer buyers. You will notice that Apple refused to allow Gateway 2000, among others, to license the Mac. In addition, while the clones have clearly not expanded the Mac market, I believe they have prevented it from contracting more than it actually has. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
From: eharley@pacbell.net (Eric Harley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help: OpenStep4.2 IDE SUPPORT ??????? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:35:58 -0800 Organization: Harley Consulting Message-ID: <eharley-2108971835590001@ppp-207-214-149-76.snrf01.pacbell.net> References: <5teqlj$5tr@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> In article <5teqlj$5tr@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu>, lal9@po.CWRU.Edu (Larry A. Latson, Jr.) wrote: > Well, after searching the net for days, I finally gave up on > finding a cheap copy of OpenStep4.2, and purchased the academic > bundle directly from Apple. It's on its way. > > But now I've been reading all over the place that OpenStep > has little or no IDE support, and I've got a totally IDE based > Intel system. Is this going to be a huge hassle? Are there > certain drivers I can download to do this? Or am I going to > be left with some CD's that I can't use until I can shell out` > several hundred dollars for a SCSI card, drive, and CDROM?? Dont sweat it. I have a totally IDE based system and it wasn't a lick of trouble. OpenStep 4.2 supports IDE beautifly. However, beware of the PS/2 mouse problem. I was pulling my hair out trying to figure it out. If you dont use a PS/2 mouse, then email me back and I'll point you to a place that explains the problem. -- 'Dial 888,' Rick said as the set warmed. 'The desire to watch TV,no matter what's on it' -'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?', Phillip Dick
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:41:35 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> Organization: Graver Chemical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: > In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, "L. Todd Heberlein" > <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > > > > First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating > > greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's > > marketshare. > > And there is strong evidence that this was Apple's own damn fault. I'm just curious. How is it Apple's fault that PCC, Motorola, Umax, et al haven't looked outside of Apple's existing core markets? -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:44:44 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> Organization: Graver Chemical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com>, tzs@halcyon.com (Tim Smith) wrote: > L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > >First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating > >greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's > >marketshare. If this is the case, the only thing the clone makers are > > Well, duh! With clones essentially forced to be nothing more than > Macintosh's that happen to have some final assembly done outside of > Apple (OK, I'm exaggerating *slightly*), is it really surprising that > they haven't expanded the MacOS market? > > To really expand the MacOS market, the clone makers need to be allowed > to make machines that people who would not otherwise have bought a Mac > would want. In what way has Apple prevented that? Clone makers are free to configure their computers any way they want. They can add their own video, SCSI, IDE, RAM, CD-ROMs, etc at will. Even the on-board video circuitry is done by the clone maker. Otherwise, why did PowerBase come out with accelerated video long before Apple had it? Clone makers were also free to configure their CPUs at will. Motorola chose soldered CPUs and Power chose daughtercards. Umax pioneered a double speed L2 cache. The clone makers have every bit as much flexibility to configure their systems as the average PC vendor who relies on one or two motherboard suppliers. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: longsine_nospam_@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I hate the word "newbie", but... Date: 22 Aug 1997 05:20:57 GMT Organization: Save the Skeet Foundation Message-ID: <5tj7jp$b1s$3@news.platinum.com> References: <33fcfe76.39318381@news.erols.com> Cc: sitzkrieg@erols.com In <33fcfe76.39318381@news.erols.com> Sitzkrieg Redundus wrote: > 'kay. Just getting in the NeXT platform thing, and the (limited) > information I've found thus far has been mostly helpful, but questions > do linger (Those darn questions-- always hanging ao\round after > everyone else has gone home!) > > The first major question is: Was there or was there not a 33Mhz 68040 > based Cube? I've seen references to Turbo Cubes, but didn't know if > there were refering to the 040's or the original 030's. Why on earth do you care? If I remember correctly, yes, but not many were made. > Is there a version of the NeXT OS that's is considered "more stable" > than others? I know Mac users are always arguing which release is the > best, but didn't know if it applied to the NeXT universe. You should run OPENSTEP 4.2, or NeXTSTEP 3.3 (with the patch). It's not so much a matter of stability, as maturity. NS 3.3 is feature complete NeXTSTEP, and OPENSTEP 4.2 is feature complete OPENSTEP. > Exactly how upgradable are the slabs? Not. > For example, what is the > hardware difference between the Mono and the Color models, and are > Cubes generally the more versatile? my patience is wearing thin... how about you surf to www.stepwise.com, find the remaining outlets for used black hardware (spherical solutions, and a couple others, i forget...) then surf up their sites and read up on the specs... > Finally, I've heard no-to-great things about the Pyro board, and the > Nitro board seems to be almost impossible to locate (y'all already > have 'em all! ;) -- were any other accelerators made? If so where?! If > not, who do I have to mug to get a Nitro? The only person who has ever admitted to having a Nitro is Steve Jobs. He bought one of the last off the line. I think he deserves to keep it. > I'm not a newbie to the Net by any means, and I know Mac stuff pretty > well. I've pretty much wrung the last drop of blood out of Altavista, > and links off of links off of links. Any and all help/web > sites/information would be quite cool. check out www.stepwise.com for a good source of NeXTSTEP info, and also www.webcrawler.com for another nice search engine, with NeXTSTEP roots... /gary - -- --- ----- ------- ----------- ------- ----- --- -- - Gary W. Longsine, Systems Architect|"If nominated, I shall PLATINUM technology, inc. | not run. If elected, longsine@platinum.com (NeXTmail | I shall not serve." (612) 688-3033 & MIME) | (Pat Paulsen for President)
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 22 Aug 1997 06:54:13 GMT Organization: Kuentos Communications Inc. Message-ID: <5tjd2l$iuc@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> In <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net>, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) writes: >In article <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com>, tzs@halcyon.com (Tim Smith) wrote: > >> L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: >> >First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating >> >greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's >> >marketshare. If this is the case, the only thing the clone makers are >> >> Well, duh! With clones essentially forced to be nothing more than >> Macintosh's that happen to have some final assembly done outside of >> Apple (OK, I'm exaggerating *slightly*), is it really surprising that >> they haven't expanded the MacOS market? >> >> To really expand the MacOS market, the clone makers need to be allowed >> to make machines that people who would not otherwise have bought a Mac >> would want. > >In what way has Apple prevented that? > >Clone makers are free to configure their computers any way they want. They >can add their own video, SCSI, IDE, RAM, CD-ROMs, etc at will. > >Even the on-board video circuitry is done by the clone maker. Otherwise, >why did PowerBase come out with accelerated video long before Apple had it? Apple had accelerated video long before there were clones. I believe the Quadra 630 was the first Apple Macintosh to have accelerated video. It was not a fast one though. By the time Mac clones proliferated, accelerated video is standard on them, and all Macs. Powerbase was the first to not use Apple's own accelerated circuitry on the motherboard, the first to use PC graphics chip maker ATI. But being first to use ATI is questionable because Motorola Starmax also came on the same time, and they too use ATI chipsets. What more, the Starmax motherboard was a design partnered with Apple. Within a short months, Apple too use ATI chipsets, first on the Power Mac 4400s which use the Tanzania board, and then the 6500 and 5500 sieres. > >Clone makers were also free to configure their CPUs at will. Motorola chose >soldered CPUs and Power chose daughtercards. Umax pioneered a double speed >L2 cache. Umax also pioneered ZIF sockets and the first to use a PCI bridge. Why Motorola would solder their CPUs is beyond me, because since the same motherboard can be used for both 603e and 604e designs (unlike other Power Mac motherboard designs), if they had used a socket, it would have been easy to upgrade Starmax 3000s with 603e's to 4000 configurations with 604e's. Rgds, Chris > >The clone makers have every bit as much flexibility to configure their >systems as the average PC vendor who relies on one or two motherboard >suppliers. > >-- >Regards, > >Joe Ragosta >See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site >http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: louis@objects.cc.emory.edu (Louis Leon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: When it rains it pours. Date: 22 Aug 1997 14:08:09 GMT Organization: Emory University Message-ID: <5tk6g9$1l4@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When it rains it pours. My NextDimension, with 64MB on both the motherboard and the dimension board was beginning to give me trouble. I suspected that it was the PYRO accelerator overheating. Anyway, my officemate has been listening to me complain - for the first time ever - about my Next beginning to die. Fortunately for me, he didn't know that it stabilized once I swap the CPU back to the 68040 25MHz chip; a noticeable slowdown/letdown for me. So, here it is the end of the fiscal year and the manager of the Business Office tells me that we are under budget and that he has heard that my machine could use being replaced and can I get a PO in today. TODAY, as in Friday, Aug 22 - because the books are closing for the year. I have already sent an e-mail to Bifrost, the only ready-wrap NeXTstep/OpenStep Intel hardware-provider I am aware of. If they don't respond (I wish there was a phone number on their webpage), I will have to either buy the next best thing off-the-shelf or to try to buy the right parts and to put the box together my self. If anybody can offer me their hardware vendor, their configuration, a model name/number, etc. for an Intel machine that can be set up to run Nextstep 3.2 for Intel/OpenStep 4.2 for Mach/OpenStep 4.2 for NT, please e-mail me directly or have them call me. Thanks PS. My turn was coming up for a replacement, but I was really holding out for a PowerPC/Rhapsody machine. Hopefully this Intel machine will be able to run Rhapsody on Intel also. -- ****************************************************************** * Louis Leon 404-727-4782 * * Network Systems (fax) 404-727-2599 * * Information Technology Division (e-mail)osll@emory.edu * * Emory University NextMail preferred * * Atlanta, GA. 30322 * ******************************************************************
From: pford@bcm.tmc.edu (Patrick V. Ford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 22 Aug 1997 14:41:26 GMT Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx Message-ID: <5tk8em$9km@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> Joe Ragosta (joe.ragosta@dol.net) wrote: : In article <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com>, tzs@halcyon.com (Tim Smith) wrote: : > L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: : > >First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating : > >greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's : > >marketshare. If this is the case, the only thing the clone makers are : > : > Well, duh! With clones essentially forced to be nothing more than : > Macintosh's that happen to have some final assembly done outside of : > Apple (OK, I'm exaggerating *slightly*), is it really surprising that : > they haven't expanded the MacOS market? : > : > To really expand the MacOS market, the clone makers need to be allowed : > to make machines that people who would not otherwise have bought a Mac : > would want. : In what way has Apple prevented that? : Clone makers are free to configure their computers any way they want. They : can add their own video, SCSI, IDE, RAM, CD-ROMs, etc at will. : Even the on-board video circuitry is done by the clone maker. Otherwise, : why did PowerBase come out with accelerated video long before Apple had it? : Clone makers were also free to configure their CPUs at will. Motorola chose : soldered CPUs and Power chose daughtercards. Umax pioneered a double speed : L2 cache. And I bet they could even color the cases red, green or blue! : The clone makers have every bit as much flexibility to configure their : systems as the average PC vendor who relies on one or two motherboard : suppliers. Joe, we both know that the initial clone designs were limited BY APPLE to the one or two motherboards from APPLE's designs. You are talking accessories. A Ford Pinto is a Pinto is a Pinto no matter what accessories that are added. I can't make it into a Formula One, pickup or Semi truck. If you sell blue Mustangs and I sell red, don't bitch at me for not expanding the market and eating into your share. Why doesn't Apple talk about how the clones slowed the deterioration of the MacOS market? When the cloners do produce original designs, what is Apple's response??? The re-evaluation of their policy and no CHRPs until who knows when. In the very competitive PC market, 6 to 8 weeks delay can mean death. The basic fact is that no matter what Apple's policy is, if there is a coherent one, or who is right, they, Apple, have really screwed up the handling of the licensing issue. FUD FUD FUD! I have owned or currently own an Apple //e, Apple ///, Mac II, Mac II FX, Centris 650 and a PowerComputing PPC. PowerComputing delayed my leaving the Mac market. I was going to upgrade my wife's Centris 650 but there is no way I am going to spend thousands of dollars on a PC, on a system that is more expensive than a wintel clone for what I need if the uncertaincy is there. BFD if MS is going to produce MacOS software. I know I can get it for Windoze. Regards, Patrick Ford pford@bcm.tmc.edu : -- : Regards, : Joe Ragosta : See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site : http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: kcd@babylon5.jumpgate.com (Kenneth C. Dyke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 22 Aug 1997 17:40:04 GMT Message-ID: <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> In-Reply-To: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> On 08/20/97, Joe Ragosta wrote: >In article ><see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, >see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: > >> In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, "L. Todd Heberlein" >> <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: >> >> >> > First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating >> > greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's >> > marketshare. >> >> And there is strong evidence that this was Apple's own damn fault. > >I'm just curious. How is it Apple's fault that PCC, Motorola, Umax, et al >haven't looked outside of Apple's existing core markets? Maybe because they have been forced into selling cheaper versions of Apple's own hardware designs? Even if Umax had wanted to build a box better suited for some other market, they would have been stuck with whatever hardware Apple said they could use in their designs. Now that we've finally reached the point where it would actually be possible to do your own design if you wanted to (CHRP), Apple is giving them the finger for eroding their own market share. Well, all I can say is 'Duh'. Look at it from the market's perspective: Apple 9600 PowerTower Pro Nicer casework Cheaper casework IMS Twin Turbo IMS Twin Turbo 604e 604e Up to 768MB RAM Up to 1GB RAM 6 PCI Slots 6 PCI Slots Tanzania Chipset Tanzania Chipset 256K Cache 1MB Cache etc. etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why people might buy a PowerTowerPro rather than a 9600. They are the same box more or less, only Power's is cheaper. My guess is that a pretty large chunk of the price difference comes from Apple's expensive (but pretty) casework, and the fact that Apple is the one stuck paying for the bulk of the hard hardware design work (ASICs). IMNSFHO, even if the cloners had been expanding the Mac market, Apple would _still_ be getting smacked around on the high end for the reasons up above. For whatever reason, their systems just don't compete on a price/performance basis. This is America, we have this thing called capitalism. It usually seems to work, and faster/better/cheaper usually wins. Ask yourself why anyone would buy a 9600 instead of a PowerTower Pro. If the only reason is for better/nicer casework and an Apple logo, then maybe Apple has a problem. I've been thinking that what Apple ought to do is stop licensing their own hardware designs and force people to build their own systems, instead of whining when cloners sell Apple's own designs cheaper than Apple does. Then if Apple finds that CHRP systems are kicking their ass, why not OEM CHRP systems from Motorola? They'd save R&D money, and make their margins on the _systems_, which is where the money is anyway. -Ken -- Kenneth Dyke, kcd@jumpgate.com (personal), kdyke@ea.com (work) Nuclear Strike and OPENSTEP Tools Engineer, Electronic Arts C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade.
From: "Hunter Hillegas" <timebomb@west.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I hate the word "newbie", but... Date: 22 Aug 1997 17:49:45 GMT Organization: Jacob Stern & Sons Message-ID: <01bcaf23$36415a20$86c147cf@jacob-1> References: <33fcfe76.39318381@news.erols.com> <5tj7jp$b1s$3@news.platinum.com> Why do you respond if you don't want to answer the questions? Hunter Gary W. Longsine <longsine_nospam_@platinum.com> wrote in article <5tj7jp$b1s$3@news.platinum.com>... > In <33fcfe76.39318381@news.erols.com> Sitzkrieg Redundus wrote: > Why on earth do you care? If I remember correctly, yes, but not many were > made. > my patience is wearing thin... how about you surf to www.stepwise.com, find > the remaining outlets for used black hardware (spherical solutions, and a > couple others, i forget...) then surf up their sites and read up on the > specs...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Nitro hardware specs/construction details Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EF9su2.Gz8@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:39:37 GMT References: <33F446B3.13F8@ebs.ac.com> <JASON.97Aug18120523@fisher.psych.uh.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <JASON.97Aug18120523@fisher.psych.uh.edu>, Jason L. Asbahr <jason@fisher.psych.uh.edu> wrote: > >Generally speaking, though, I'd love to get access to the technical >design docs on the original black hardware. In particular, I'd like >to know more about the NeXTBus Interface chip and protocol. > There aee docs about the NeXTbus on Peanuts. I don't recall where but a search should bring it up. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:36:08 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971436080001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> <5tk8em$9km@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> Organization: Graver Chemical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <5tk8em$9km@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pford@bcm.tmc.edu (Patrick V. Ford) wrote: > > The basic fact is that no matter what Apple's policy is, if there is a > coherent one, or who is right, they, Apple, have really screwed up the > handling of the licensing issue. FUD FUD FUD! Nope. The simple fact is that the licensing situation is screwed it. Now, it's very possible that it's Apple's fault. It's also possible that Power Computing is at fault. The latest rumors say that Umax signed their license agreement before MacWorld. Even if they didn't until you _know_ what's been put on the table and who's saying what, it's impossible to know who's at fault. Personally, I believe both sides are at fault and favor locking the leaders from each of the relevant companies in a room with food, water, and a porta-john and not letting them out until an agreement is signed. Even though Jobs will be outnumbered, they can't work him over too bad since they still need his signature on the paper to get out of the room. He'll probably survive with no more than a few bruises and broken bones. ;-) Seriously--both sides have taken a pretty firm stand and both sides have a lot to lose. Both sides need to sign an agreement. Blaming one side isn't going to help. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:38:51 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> Organization: Graver Chemical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: > There are two formulas, both of which Apple has nixed: > > 1) CHRP. With a more open architecture, and without some of the hardware > limitations of existing Apple motherboard designs, performance can > improve, and more configurations are possible, all at cheaper prices. You > will notice that Apple is refusing to allow clones to sell their CHRP > machines, CHRP laptops, and even their G3 machines. You will notice no such thing. Clone makers can sell all the CHRP systems they want. They just can't include Mac OS until the licensing process is completed. Apple has stated that they'll resume certification once they have a signed license. > > 2) An established PC maker could sell Macs. They already have > manufacturing facilities, presence in the sales channel, extensive > advertising in PC magazines, major corporate customers, and the > familiarity and trust of computer buyers. You will notice that Apple > refused to allow Gateway 2000, among others, to license the Mac. Largely true. However, any PC vendor can build and sell a CHRP machine today if they wish. They'd have to sell it without an OS or with Be OS on it, but there's nothing stopping them from selling the machine. > > In addition, while the clones have clearly not expanded the Mac market, I > believe they have prevented it from contracting more than it actually has. Only an opinion. Much of the clone makers' revenue has come from Apple's hide. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: "L. Todd Heberlein" <heberlei@NetSQ.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 22 Aug 1997 19:44:05 GMT Organization: mother.com Internet Services Message-ID: <01bcaf22$26475850$1e2168cf@test1> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> > IMNSFHO, even if the cloners had been expanding the Mac market, Apple > would _still_ be getting smacked around on the high end for the reasons > up above. For whatever reason, their systems just don't compete on a > price/performance basis. This is America, we have this thing called > capitalism. It usually seems to work, and faster/better/cheaper > usually wins. Once again, playing devil's advocate, the higher price Apple is charging may very well go towards creating a better OS. If Apple loses that extra profit, it may lose the ability to compete effectively in the future. Capitalism often fails when the "true" cost of an item is not realized until later or by someone else. The typical example is the use of fossil fuels - very cheap near-term (especially when compared to alternatives such as solar), but the long-term costs may be enormous (acid rain, greenhouse effect, cancer, clean-up, ...)! In this case, the "true" cost of a clone computer may include a less competitive operating system in the future. Cheers, Todd Heberlein
From: louis@objects.cc.emory.edu (Louis Leon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: When it rains it pours. Date: 22 Aug 1997 20:49:21 GMT Organization: Emory University Message-ID: <5tku0h$r4o@lendl.cc.emory.edu> References: <5tk6g9$1l4@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: louis@objects.cc.emory.edu In <5tk6g9$1l4@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Louis Leon wrote: > When it rains it pours. ..stuff skipped Following up on my own post to response those who e-mailed me offline of the newsgroup: I received Jason McNamara's phone number (713-952-9949) from a number of sources. Thanks to all of you. I called Jason and he was both on his way out-of-town and backlogged with orders. Nevertheless, he didn't let me down. He spent some time with me reviewing what little I knew about configuring an Intel machine for NextStep/OpenStep. The upshot on that was he no longer recommends the ELSA video card, because they are upgrading their hardware but not writing an upgrade drive for it. He recommends a Matrox Millenium. He also still sticks by his recommendation to use a DPT SCSI card. The best help he gave me, after I mentioned that I was working out a configuration by using the Custom Configuration web page by Apache (http://www.apache.com/pages/custom.phtml), was a name (Mark Wauchope) and a number (970-259-8153) of his NeXT systems contact there. (Thanks to Stefano P. Pagiola for that lead). Mark (mgw@apache.com) has been most helpful given my short time frame. Here, with his permission, is the system quote: Custom INTEL system running NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Includes: 1 Mainboard TYAN Tahoe Pentium Pro or Pentium II, Intel 440FX, AT 1 CPU Intel Pentium II, 266MHz, 512K Cache 4 RAM 32MB 8x32-60 72pin SIMM, EDO, Non-Parity 1 Chassis Axxion DL-15 Mid-Tower, 6 Bay, AT/ATX 1 P/S PC Power & Cooling Standard 230W PS/2, AT 1 Floppy 1.44MB, 3.5in Mitsumi 1 SCSI DPT PM2044UW SmartCache IV PCI, Ultra/Wide 2 Hard Disk Quantum Atlas II 2.2GB SCSI, Ultra/Wide, 8ms 1 Storage IOmega JAZ, 1GB SCSI, Internal 1 CDROM Toshiba 5701 12X SCSI, Caddyless 1 Audio Creative Labs Sound Blaster-16 PnP 1 Multimedia Altec Lansing ACS-45 PowerCube 3-Piece 20+6W 1 Multimedia Gemini Mini Condensor Microphone 1 Network Kingston Etherx 10/100MBps (DEC 21140) TP, PCI 1 Video Matrox Millennium 3D II 16MB WRAM PCI 1 Monitor Viewsonic PT815 21in .26dp 1600X1200NI 85Hz 1 Keyboard NMB RightTouch 8200W 104Key (win-95) Mechanical 1 Mouse Logitech Mouseman Combo Serial-PS/2 (3-button) 1 Accessory Internal 68pin SCSI Cable, 4 devices 1 Accessory PS/2 Mouse Cable (for AT mainboards only) Price: $6312.84 OPENSTEP and NT will be preinstalled at no extra charge using your academic licenses. I had also received references to BlackHole and even a call from them. But by then, I had already built a relationship with Apache on the basis of their Custom Configuration webpage and the recommendation of Jason McNamara of Bifrost. Thanks to all for the request response. -- ****************************************************************** * Louis Leon 404-727-4782 * * Network Systems (fax) 404-727-2599 * * Information Technology Division (e-mail)osll@emory.edu * * Emory University NextMail preferred * * Atlanta, GA. 30322 * ******************************************************************
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 22 Aug 1997 21:11:45 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <5tkvah$e0e$1@news.digifix.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> In-Reply-To: <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> On 08/22/97, Kenneth C. Dyke wrote: >On 08/20/97, Joe Ragosta wrote: >>In article >><see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, >>see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: >> >>> In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, "L. Todd Heberlein" >>> <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> > First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not >creating >>> > greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at >Apple's >>> > marketshare. >>> >>> And there is strong evidence that this was Apple's own damn fault. >> >>I'm just curious. How is it Apple's fault that PCC, Motorola, >>Umax, et al >>haven't looked outside of Apple's existing core markets? > >Maybe because they have been forced into selling cheaper versions of >Apple's own hardware designs? Thats an excuse, not an explanation. When they compare to Apple's hardware in their ads and only advertise in the Mac magazines, they are not looking at other markets than the core markets. What they offer in the system isn't what is most relevant. Its where and how they try and sell it. What is their Value Added? -- Scott Anguish <sanguish@digifix.com> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information <URL:http://www.stepwise.com>
From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I hate the word "newbie", but... Date: 22 Aug 1997 22:03:13 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Message-ID: <5tl2b1$nm$1@duke.squonk.net> References: <33fcfe76.39318381@news.erols.com> <5tj7jp$b1s$3@news.platinum.com> longsine_nospam_@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: > Sitzkrieg Redundus wrote: > > 'kay. Just getting in the NeXT platform thing, and the (limited) > > information I've found thus far has been mostly helpful, but > > questions do linger (Those darn questions-- always hanging > > ao\round after everyone else has gone home!) > > > > The first major question is: Was there or was there not a 33Mhz > > 68040 based Cube? I've seen references to Turbo Cubes, but > > didn't know if there were refering to the 040's or the original > > 030's. > > Why on earth do you care? If I remember correctly, yes, but not > many were made. He's talking about the turbo, not the nitro or pyro. I would think that a fair number of turbo (33MHz 68040) cubes were made... > > Is there a version of the NeXT OS that's is considered "more > > stable" than others? I know Mac users are always arguing which > > release is the best, but didn't know if it applied to the NeXT > > universe. > > You should run OPENSTEP 4.2, or NeXTSTEP 3.3 (with the patch). > It's not so much a matter of stability, as maturity. NS 3.3 is > feature complete NeXTSTEP, and OPENSTEP 4.2 is feature complete > OPENSTEP. I'd say that NeXTSTEP 3.3+patch1 is probably more stable, but it's also out-of-date. Anyone thinking about Rhapsody (or "Yellowbox on WindowsNT") would be better off with OpenStep 4.2. > > Exactly how upgradable are the slabs? > > Not. Well, to be exact, the slabs could take more memory (RAM) or you can replace the hard drive with something significantly larger. That's about it. > > Finally, I've heard no-to-great things about the Pyro board, > > and the Nitro board seems to be almost impossible to locate > > (y'all already have 'em all! ;) -- were any other accelerators > > made? If so where?! If not, who do I have to mug to get a Nitro? > > The only person who has ever admitted to having a Nitro is Steve > Jobs. He bought one of the last off the line. I think he deserves > to keep it. Well, there's more than just the one nitro, but it is pretty much impossible to find anyone willing to sell a nitro. I would suggest that it's not really worth it to look for one (because there's almost zero chance of finding one, and because they really aren't all that fast compared to today's hardware). --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: "John Huang" <john@scenarist.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 22 Aug 1997 23:10:09 GMT Organization: North Bay Network, Inc. news server - not responsible for content Message-ID: <01bcaf51$988a1810$b55db8ce@paper> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tftje$80d$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Steve Peltz <peltz@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu> wrote in article <5tftje$80d$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>... > In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, > L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > >Second, Apple may have an offer on the table but the clone makers won't > >take it. Rumors are that Joel Kocher, former CEO/COO for Power Computing, > >has led the ralley to keep MacOS license costs low. Certainly Joel knows > >what Microsoft charged for Windows when he worked at (Dell?), and I think > >he believes Apple should charge a similar price. > That is why Joel is out of his mind. MS doesn't make money on OS. If MS breaks even by licensing Windows for 20 bux each, Apple needs to charge 200 bux each to break even on the OS R&D. The fact the cloners were getting the system 7.6 for $50 is one big reason why the clones are cheaper because they are robbing Apple's technology and Apple's HW has to sell much more to support their OS effort. Go look at Apple's income statement and do the calculation yourself and you will come up the same conclusion. > All indications are that price is not the issue. They've already agreed > on prices that are HIGHER than they could get buying them off the shelf > (I'd rather they had let me buy 7.6, and reduce the price by that much, > rather than bundle it, then I would have been eligible for a free upgrade > to 8.0; as it was, I got my machine a few days too early, whereas if I had > bought a copy, it would have been eligible). > I think Apple should seperate the OS and HW division into seperate profit units, and then the OS division can treat everyone the same, and charge everyone $200 ( or whatever they decide that they need to break even or be profitable)so nobody whines. However, I am against charging more for high end systems. I think it should be quantity-based, so if you sell more, you pay less for each license. John Also, I want to throw another ball into the discussion. Did the cloners really do any innovation? Yes they normally have higher speed systems than Apple, but they also do a lot of those kinds of anouncements months before they can ship (remember Power and UMAX's 604e/250?) Look at their motherboards. Except Motorola's Starmax, all of them are based on Apple's motherboard, either 7600, 6400, or 7200. No, Power didn't break the motherboard speed barrier, Apple did. PowerCenterPro is based on 7200 motherboard which can do 60 mhz from day one. We have to give credit to Motorola for the StarMax motherboard (which motorola developed with Apple) but its processor is not upgradable. Even those rumored CHRP system, nobody have done any real testing and see how compatible it is. I know how this industry works. Vendors anounces products way before it is ready. In conclusion, looking at the current shipping clone product, I don't think the cloners are helping the MacOS industry by innovation. Instead, I think they are sucking Apple's technology and having a free ride. John
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:03:28 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208972003280001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tftje$80d$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bcaf51$988a1810$b55db8ce@paper> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <01bcaf51$988a1810$b55db8ce@paper>, "John Huang" <john@scenarist.com> wrote: > > I think Apple should seperate the OS and HW division into seperate profit > units, and then the OS division can treat everyone the same, and charge > everyone $200 ( or whatever they decide that they need to break even or be > profitable)so nobody whines. Sounds reasonable. > > However, I am against charging more for high end systems. I think it should > be quantity-based, so if you sell more, you pay less for each license. I'm not sure about high end systems, but it's a very common and effective marketing tool to give discounts for entering into new markets. So, you might offer lower license fees for the sub-$1K systems for home and low end use where Apple doesn't compete well in order to expand the Mac OS market. The result is the same--high end systems pay more--but it makes more sense when you look at it this way. > > John > > Also, I want to throw another ball into the discussion. Did the cloners > really do any innovation? Yes they normally have higher speed systems than > Apple, but they also do a lot of those kinds of anouncements months before > they can ship (remember Power and UMAX's 604e/250?) > > Look at their motherboards. Except Motorola's Starmax, all of them are > based on Apple's motherboard, either 7600, 6400, or 7200. No, Power didn't > break the motherboard speed barrier, Apple did. PowerCenterPro is based on > 7200 motherboard which can do 60 mhz from day one. We have to give credit > to Motorola for the StarMax motherboard (which motorola developed with > Apple) but its processor is not upgradable. Actually, there was some innovation by the cloners. Daystar's multiprocessing API. Power's introduction of ATI graphics chip sets. Umax' multiprocessing hardware. Umax' double speed L2 cache. Power's 60 MHz motherboards with daughtercards. The cloners were also first with Zip drives. They _have_ innovated somewhat. But I don't think any of these things add up to even a tiny fraction of the money Apple's spent on R&D. > > Even those rumored CHRP system, nobody have done any real testing and see > how compatible it is. I know how this industry works. Vendors anounces > products way before it is ready. > > In conclusion, looking at the current shipping clone product, I don't think > the cloners are helping the MacOS industry by innovation. Instead, I think > they are sucking Apple's technology and having a free ride. It's somewhere in between. I believe they're adding value and fostering innovation. But I also believe they need to pay more. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta joe.ragosta@dol.net Visit the Complete Macintosh Web Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 22 Aug 1997 18:21:00 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <B0238DF9-15A65@206.165.44.35> References: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208972003280001@news.dol.net> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Ragosta <joe.ragosta@dol.net> [clones] > > It's somewhere in between. I believe they're adding value and fostering > innovation. But I also believe they need to pay more. Who reading this knows how much the clone-makers actually pay Apple or how much they expected to pay for MacOS 8 before this latest mutual-FUD-fest? The licensing agreement that PowerCOmputing published in their IPO filing used "$xx" instead of giving a hard figure, but... They pay royalties on every copy of the OS that they ship. They pay royalties on every implementation of Apple designs that they ship. They pay royalties on all sorts of aspects of the Macintosh. MY source (who just spoke with their source this morning) tells me that Motorola believes that it HAS a MacOS 8 license and the right to ship CHRP and that the negotiations are over Rhapsody. The letter that Bill Goins sent to MacOS Rumors says exactly the same thing about PowerComputing's license with the warning that Apple appears to be trying to get out from under its MacOS 8 license. Here are the facts: Apple says that it won't license CHRP. Motorola says that it has a MacOS 8 license and has the right to ship CHRP designs. . PowerCOmputing says that it already has a MacOS 8 license that requires it to pay more per computer than its System 7.x license, but that it is contingent on getting its CHRP license. We've heard rumors that PowerCOmputing pays ~$20 per computer for System 7.x. PowerComputing's SEC filing says that it will pay more for MacOS 8 than for System 7 .x but that it will continue to pay the same hardware licensing on non-CHRP systems. That's all *I* can track down that is either from official PR or from official SEC filings. ALl these claims about clones "leeching" off of Apple, etc., may or may not be true. However, to presume that Steve "Reality Distortion Field" Jobs is automatically telling the truth about what is going on is to ignore history. And those that are ignorant of history are condemned to repeat it. Remember: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "That isn't really Steve Jobs. God just THINKS that he's Steve Jobs..." -------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: kcd@babylon5.jumpgate.com (Kenneth C. Dyke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 23 Aug 1997 02:04:11 GMT Message-ID: <5tlger$88v$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> <5tkvah$e0e$1@news.digifix.com> In-Reply-To: <5tkvah$e0e$1@news.digifix.com> On 08/22/97, Scott Anguish wrote: >On 08/22/97, Kenneth C. Dyke wrote: >>On 08/20/97, Joe Ragosta wrote: >>>In article >>><see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, >>>see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: >>> >>>> In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, "L. Todd Heberlein" >>>> <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> > First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not >>creating >>>> > greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away >at >>Apple's >>>> > marketshare. >>>> >>>> And there is strong evidence that this was Apple's own damn fault. >>> >>>I'm just curious. How is it Apple's fault that PCC, Motorola, >>>Umax, et al >>>haven't looked outside of Apple's existing core markets? >> >>Maybe because they have been forced into selling cheaper versions of >>Apple's own hardware designs? > > Thats an excuse, not an explanation. So what's Apple's excuse for not trying to expand the Macintosh market? Did they just decide to kick back and try to stick with the mainstream Mac markets and just hope the clone vendors will leave them alone? Why doesn't Apple build some super kickass graphics boxes, adopt OpenGL and go after the 3D modeling market? It seems to me that PowerPC would be good for that, and yet there the market sits, being quickly eroded by the Wintel crowd. Maybe with CHRP it would be more reasonable to expect Mac compatible makers to try such a thing. > When they compare to Apple's hardware in their ads and only >advertise in the Mac magazines, they are not looking at other markets >than the core markets. Maybe. But I don't recall seeing many Apple advertisements outside of the Mac market, either. They are both continuing to 'preach to the choir' as it were, so they are both guilty of this. I just think it's not helping the situation any that they don't have any choice but to sell modified versions of Apple's own hardware. > What they offer in the system isn't what is most relevant. >Its where and how they try and sell it. What is their Value Added? Well they can go and sell their systems to other places, sure. That will not stop consumers in existing markets from continuing to buy their products. Do you expect PowerCC to pick a single market that Apple isn't currently selling into and just forget the mainstream Macintosh market? No, of course not. They need the mainstream for the bread and better and to fund expansion into other markets (which for whatever reasons, neither Apple or any of the other vendors seem to be willing to do.) -Ken -- Kenneth Dyke, kcd@jumpgate.com (personal), kdyke@ea.com (work) Nuclear Strike and OPENSTEP Tools Engineer, Electronic Arts C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade.
From: kcd@babylon5.jumpgate.com (Kenneth C. Dyke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 23 Aug 1997 02:26:19 GMT Message-ID: <5tlhob$91b$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> <01bcaf22$26475850$1e2168cf@test1> In-Reply-To: <01bcaf22$26475850$1e2168cf@test1> On 08/22/97, "L. Todd Heberlein" wrote: >> IMNSFHO, even if the cloners had been expanding the Mac market, Apple >> would _still_ be getting smacked around on the high end for the reasons >> up above. For whatever reason, their systems just don't compete on a >> price/performance basis. This is America, we have this thing called >> capitalism. It usually seems to work, and faster/better/cheaper >> usually wins. > >Once again, playing devil's advocate, the higher price Apple is charging >may very well go towards creating a better OS. If Apple loses that extra >profit, it may lose the ability to compete effectively in the future. My problem with this is that because Apple's hardware and software divisions are tied at the hip, there is no real way of knowing where the money is really going. It's a black box, with no accountability to the outside world. Apple can say they want more money for OS development, and who can argue with them? If Apple SW and Apple HW had to report individual earnings reports then we'd know who was spending all the money. But make no mistake, hardware R&D is _expensive_, especially the kind that Apple does. And you can't take a look at the casework on the 9600 (or any Apple box) vs one of the clones (like the PowerTower Pro) and tell me that the Apple casework probably won't cost a hell of a lot more to develop and produce than the stuff clones use. IMHO, PowerCC can sell cheaper boxes because they are using cheaper parts that really don't cost a boatload to get tooled, and don't matter to the machine's overall usefullness. My view of the hardware/software business is that unless you are selling some very compelling hardware (like an SGI InfiniteReality), you're going to be stuck with pretty low margins. The problem is, Macintosh hardware isn't really all that compelling. Yeah, a lot of aspects of it are nicer to deal with than a PC, but it's not a black and white thing. Companies like Sega, Sony and Nintendo practically _give_ away their hardware, using the razor/razorblade business model. Give away the razors, and keep selling them lots of razorblades. In the case of M$, they have the luxury of only needing to sell razorblades. M$ is different than Apple though because they also make a ton of money selling applications, of which I'd guess a part of the revenues go to OS development. Apple now has in their hands some tools that would let them write and sell some very cool software, but they have this policy of not wanting to step on 3rd party developers. So they have two options, make money on hardware (which is very difficult, and seems to have this anti-competitive problem), or make money on software, which will possibly piss off 3rd party developers. Personally, I'd rather see them write better versions of Office for Rhapsody on the assumption that M$ won't bother. Then they can turn around and sell it for Windows too. >Capitalism often fails when the "true" cost of an item is not realized >until later or by someone else. The typical example is the use of fossil >fuels - very cheap near-term (especially when compared to alternatives such >as solar), but the long-term costs may be enormous (acid rain, greenhouse >effect, cancer, clean-up, ...)! > >In this case, the "true" cost of a clone computer may include a less >competitive operating system in the future. Ask Dell, Compaq or Gateway if they have this problem. They don't because their volumes are so high that M$ doesn't need to charge them extra money for the ability to sell PC clones. They could sell PC clones without any approval from M$ at all if they want to, even though M$ for the most part drives a lot of the current PC standards. Now the question is, if anyone could build CHRP systems without fear of Apple screwing them over, could the volumes reach a high enough point so that Apple would make enough money without special licensing fees on every box. The problem is reaching that point quickly enough. However, putting a hold on the competition when they could otherwise be selling systems to compete against the Wintel market is _stupid_. Would they rather make a _little_ money on those systems and hope that sales grow, try to make a lot of money off of them by charging higher license fees and hope that the systems are still competitive against the competition (if Apple is even paying attention to that), or do they make no money at all by not allowing them to be sold (which seems to be the current situation.). Maybe Motorola has enough swing and power to basically strongarm Apple into not screwing up the entire PowerPC computer market for everyone else, including Motorola. Imagine what would happen if Motorola said to Apple, "Either allow CHRP systems, or all new PowerPC development for consumer chip development stops, because you won't be around to sell them in two years." -Ken -- Kenneth Dyke, kcd@jumpgate.com (personal), kdyke@ea.com (work) Nuclear Strike and OPENSTEP Tools Engineer, Electronic Arts C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade.
From: "L. Todd Heberlein" <heberlei@NetSQ.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 23 Aug 1997 03:14:39 GMT Organization: mother.com Internet Services Message-ID: <01bcaf61$197a3860$c72168cf@test1> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> <5tk8em$9km@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> > I have owned or currently own an Apple //e, Apple ///, Mac II, > Mac II FX, Centris 650 and a PowerComputing PPC. Hmmm. I sarted with a Apple II+ :-). I even own a NeXTstation, but I have never actually met (even virtually) someone who owned an Apple /// (but I do know someone who owns a Lisa :-) > PowerComputing delayed my leaving the Mac market. Indeed, this is PowerComputing's response to Apple's question "How have you expanded the market?" That is, they have not expanded the marketshare, but they have slowed the erosion of MacOS marketshare. And obviously there is some truth to that, as you are obviously an example. However, stopping that erosion may have had a cost. > there is no way I am going to spend thousands of dollars on a PC, > on a system that is more expensive than a wintel clone for what I > need if the uncertaincy is there. BFD if MS is going to produce > MacOS software. I know I can get it for Windoze. You have really hit the key issues directly on the head. To be a successful company in a competitive environment, you really need to have one of two main strategies: (1) be the low cost provider of the product, or (2) provide something unique that the customer is willing to pay a higher price for. And right now, Apple is not really in the position to do either one. Lets tackle the low cost provider. For simplicity, lets assume that the cost of a new system can be broken down into two pieces: the cost of actually building the system, and the R&D cost of which must be amortized across all systems sold. Neither Apple nor MacOS clone makers will be able to build boxes cheaper than Windows PC makers. They all have access to the same component providers, and so in the end, at best, the hardware costs are the same. So that leaves the R&D costs. Once again, we will ignore the hardware R&D costs and focus on the OS R&D costs. The R&D costs have already been incurred and must be recovered by the dividing the cost over all the systems sold. This is where your basic economics class comes in: if I sell it for less, while I make less profit I make more sales. And the only question is, where on the graph do I maximize my profits. Now, assume that the costs of developing a modern, competitive OS is similar for Apple and Microsoft. The *big* problem is that Microsoft's Windows 95 out sells MacOS by something like 10 to 1 (give or take a point). So at these numbers, Apple must charge 10 times the price for its OS than Microsoft does to recover the same R&D costs!! Can Apple increase revenue by selling more at lower costs? I am sure Apple's financial folks have run the numbers and know the price/revenue curves. In short, Apple has to charge more for MacOS than Microsoft does, so Mac computers (even clones) will cost more than PCs with Windows. But even if Apple gave away its OS for free (thus reducing their computer system costs below PC systems), Apple still could not substantially eat into Microsoft's marketshare... which leads to the next point. In the past, because Apple's MacOS graphical user interface provided a very unique and often powerful capability over DOS and early versions of Windows, Apple could sell their computers at higher prices and remain profitable with lower marketshare. However, Microsoft has largely erased Apple's lead in look-and-feel, and virtually every major MacOS application is available for Windows 95. So Apple no longer has a unique advantage for justifying a higher price. Furthermore, Windows 95 offers a very important unique advantage over MacOS, namely the breadth and depth of applications available for it. New versions of many important MacOS applications (e.g., Microsoft Office, Navigator, Explorer, and even many games) come out for Windows months before they are available for MacOS. And many other applications for Windows never come out for the MacOS at all!! So in short, because of Microsoft's marketshare, they can be the low cost provider, AND because of the breadth and depth of applications for Windows, they offer a unique capability which many would actually pay more for. Definitely a difficult position for Apple! I believe difficult decisions, bold moves, and a little time are the only things that can save Apple. Furthermore, that time can only be bought through cash infusions (e.g., Microsoft's $150 million investment) and/or by having us Mac loyalists pay more for our computer systems (hence, the greater fees for MacOS licenses). Cheers, Todd Heberlein
From: glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory Loren Hansen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 23 Aug 1997 04:41:02 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Message-ID: <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> Apple isn't certifying CHRP. There's kickass machines waiting to come out but they can't, either for technical reasons or because Apple is being a weenie. Apple is having disputes with the cloners, and meanwhile is sticking kickass processors into machines that should be lots faster than they are. The cloners aren't trying to expand the Mac market, they mostly seem to be selling to Macintosh users. But I can't really blame them, since Apple isn't trying to expand the Mac market, either. Maybe the cloners are biting too deeply into Apple's sales, maybe the licensing fees don't cover the cost of OS development. But when Apple had a monopoly on Macs, they didn't exactly have a booming business in recent years. I'm starting to get this hopeless, sinking feeling. I still think Wall Street and the San Jose Mercury News are wrong. But I'm becoming more sure that Apple is its own worst enemy. I forget who said it, but I like his idea of Apple sourcing out to Motorola or someone. Or even of Apple just getting CHRP out in production then selling off its hardware units. Can it still develop an OS? Let's look at some numbers. There's 160 programmers working on the OS. Assuming they average $60,000 a year and Apple sells five million copies of MacOS per year (maybe that's an optimistic figure, but let's go with it), they could support those programmers by charging $1.92 per copy. What the hell? Even if you double the average salary and halve the number of copies sold, they could still support their staff on $7.68 per copy. That's $38.4 million per year for OS development. Add another dozen million for the board and we're up to $12.48 per copy. $12.48 per copy to support 160 programmers each making $120,000 per year, plus another $12 million for the board. But they're charging $50 per, and complaining that it's too low, that they're losing money! The OS division can easily support themselves by charging $25 per copy no matter how fast the machine it's installed on. Where's all that extra money going? If it's going into hardware research, then Apple seriously needs to get the cloners going and back out of hardware because it's not profitable for them. And they don't seem to be very good at it. Sell off the factories, get their hardware engineers employed by the cloners. Market Mac as something supported by a dozen or more computer makers. I've never taken this seriously before, but I'm starting to. If Apple trimmed the fat, they could survive as a software-only company on the OS alone, not even including Claris. And that might be the only way they're able to survive. -- Be like Dad, not like Sis; Lift the seat before you piss.
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:09:10 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <see-below-2308970009100001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> In article <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net>, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > In article > <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, > see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: > > > In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, "L. Todd Heberlein" > > <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > > > > > > > First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating > > > greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's > > > marketshare. > > > > And there is strong evidence that this was Apple's own damn fault. > > I'm just curious. How is it Apple's fault that PCC, Motorola, Umax, et al > haven't looked outside of Apple's existing core markets? Two big reasons: 1) Apple hasn't allowed them to make machines particularly different from Apple's. These companies try, but they're forced to use Apple-designed motherboards or else MacOS breaks. CHRP (or something equivalent) would have made very cheap, very high-performance, or other configurations of Mac-compatible computers possible. You'll notice that Apple *still* won't let them sell such machines. 2) Apple didn't license to companies who already had a presence in the PC market. Imagine if Compaq, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, or NEC were selling Macs, for instance. They already had the production. They already had the distribution channels. They already had the presence in the retail sales channel (except Dell). They already had major advertising in PC magazines and general media. They already had large, exclusive corporate customers. They already had the familiarity and trust of the public and of IS departments. How hard would it have been for them to add Macs to their existing PC advertising? How hard would it have been for them to add Macs to their existing catalogs? How hard would it have been for them to get Macs into retail stores alongside their existing computers? How hard would it have been for them to get their existing corporate customers to buy a few Macs? I'm wondering who Apple expects the clones to sell to? PC users? Oh, easy, they just have to convince them to not only select an OS they've rejected already, but also buy from a company that's totally unkown in the PC world. People interested in computers either far more powerful, far cheaper, or somehow very different from Apple's own machines? Gee, lot's of luck without the freedom to design their own motherboards. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:13:39 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <see-below-2308970013390001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> In article <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com>, kcd@babylon5.jumpgate.com (Kenneth C. Dyke) wrote: > IMNSFHO, even if the cloners had been expanding the Mac market, Apple > would _still_ be getting smacked around Exactly. Imagine some company making Macs which are actually so superior to PCs in price vs. performance, features, etc. that PC users actually pay attention and start buying them in massive numbers, something that Apple's machines haven't been good enough to accomplish. Now why wouldn't existing Mac users also find them far superior to what Apple offers? Either way, Apple loses sales. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:33:17 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <see-below-2308970033180001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tftje$80d$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bcaf51$988a1810$b55db8ce@paper> In article <01bcaf51$988a1810$b55db8ce@paper>, "John Huang" <john@scenarist.com> wrote: > Steve Peltz <peltz@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu> wrote in article > <5tftje$80d$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>... > > In article <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1>, > > L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > > >Second, Apple may have an offer on the table but the clone makers won't > > >take it. Rumors are that Joel Kocher, former CEO/COO for Power > Computing, > > >has led the ralley to keep MacOS license costs low. Certainly Joel > knows > > >what Microsoft charged for Windows when he worked at (Dell?), and I > think > > >he believes Apple should charge a similar price. > > > > That is why Joel is out of his mind. MS doesn't make money on OS. If MS > breaks even by licensing Windows for 20 bux each, Apple needs to charge 200 > bux each to break even on the OS R&D. > > The fact the cloners were getting the system 7.6 for $50 is one big reason > why the clones are cheaper because they are robbing Apple's technology and > Apple's HW has to sell much more to support their OS effort. Please do not forget that the cloners also pay seperate licensing fees for the motherboard design and ROM, on top of what they pay for the OS. > Go look at Apple's income statement and do the calculation yourself and you > will come up the same conclusion. > > > All indications are that price is not the issue. They've already agreed > > on prices that are HIGHER than they could get buying them off the shelf > > (I'd rather they had let me buy 7.6, and reduce the price by that much, > > rather than bundle it, then I would have been eligible for a free upgrade > > to 8.0; as it was, I got my machine a few days too early, whereas if I > had > > bought a copy, it would have been eligible). > > > > I think Apple should seperate the OS and HW division into seperate profit > units, and then the OS division can treat everyone the same, and charge > everyone $200 ( or whatever they decide that they need to break even or be > profitable)so nobody whines. > > However, I am against charging more for high end systems. I think it should > be quantity-based, so if you sell more, you pay less for each license. Agreed on both points. > John > > Also, I want to throw another ball into the discussion. Did the cloners > really do any innovation? Yes they normally have higher speed systems than > Apple, but they also do a lot of those kinds of anouncements months before > they can ship (remember Power and UMAX's 604e/250?) > > Look at their motherboards. Except Motorola's Starmax, all of them are > based on Apple's motherboard, either 7600, 6400, or 7200. No, Power didn't > break the motherboard speed barrier, Apple did. PowerCenterPro is based on > 7200 motherboard which can do 60 mhz from day one. We have to give credit > to Motorola for the StarMax motherboard (which motorola developed with > Apple) but its processor is not upgradable. > > Even those rumored CHRP system, nobody have done any real testing and see > how compatible it is. I know how this industry works. Vendors anounces > products way before it is ready. > > In conclusion, looking at the current shipping clone product, I don't think > the cloners are helping the MacOS industry by innovation. Instead, I think > they are sucking Apple's technology and having a free ride. > > John They have done PLENTY of research and devleopment on hardware. Some of it is actually being used by Apple. Daystar invented multi-processing on the Mac, not Apple, and the extensions which ship with the OS today are those same Daystar extensions under a different name. Also, the dual-processor cards used in PowerMacs were designed by UMAX, not Apple, as far as I know. Power Computing solved many problems that cropped up with very high speed (180MHz+) processors, such as that the floppy disks stopped working. The list of innovations is actually quite long, and pretty much equals or exceeds the list of innovations coming from Apple during that time (don't forget that Motorola has been shipping MacOS computers for only nine months, that UMAX started selling a full line of computers no more than one year ago, and that Power Computing was a start up just two years ago.) How is it that the clones (especially Power) have been leading Apple in clock speed, availability of 3D acceleration, new memory technologies, multi-processing, RAID options, and more? And now they are all poised to sell CHRP machines and G3 designs, and Apple *won't let them!* This is the gist of the problem - the clones are based on Apple-designed motherboards (or co-designed, in the case of Motorola, APS, MacTell, etc.) simply because MacOS WILL NOT RUN ON ANYTHING ELSE. The "rumored" CHRP systems "not tested?" First of all, Apple has *finally* released the first even partially CHRP-compatible version of MacOS (OS 8), and now they are refusing to accept CHRP or even G3 machines for certification! This whole idea that the clone companies are getting a free ride from Apple's hardware R & D is completely ridiculous, and is getting way out of hand. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:45:49 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> In article <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net>, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > In article <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com>, tzs@halcyon.com (Tim Smith) wrote: > > > L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > > >First, there is strong evidence that the clone makers are not creating > > >greater marketshare for MacOS, rather they are just eating away at Apple's > > >marketshare. If this is the case, the only thing the clone makers are > > > > Well, duh! With clones essentially forced to be nothing more than > > Macintosh's that happen to have some final assembly done outside of > > Apple (OK, I'm exaggerating *slightly*), is it really surprising that > > they haven't expanded the MacOS market? > > > > To really expand the MacOS market, the clone makers need to be allowed > > to make machines that people who would not otherwise have bought a Mac > > would want. > > In what way has Apple prevented that? > > Clone makers are free to configure their computers any way they want. They > can add their own video, SCSI, IDE, RAM, CD-ROMs, etc at will. > > Even the on-board video circuitry is done by the clone maker. Otherwise, > why did PowerBase come out with accelerated video long before Apple had it? > > Clone makers were also free to configure their CPUs at will. Motorola chose > soldered CPUs and Power chose daughtercards. Umax pioneered a double speed > L2 cache. > > The clone makers have every bit as much flexibility to configure their > systems as the average PC vendor who relies on one or two motherboard > suppliers. But only flexibility within the confines of the motherboard design. For instance, Power has barely been able to push the clock speeds on some of these pitiful motherboards to 60MHz, something that even Apple never managed. But PCs routinely run at 66MHz and higher. All three big clone vendors have developed CHRP designs which simply blow away anything from Apple, but Apple has dragged their heels for two years on coming out with a version of the OS which would run on it. Then when it finally arrives, they refuse to certify the machines. Yes, the clones have been able to stretch these motherboard designs to do things Apple hasn't (which flies in the face of the idea that they haven't done any R&D), but they are clearly constrained by the limitations of the designs, and the inability to put their own designs into use. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
From: victor@comcon.kiev.ua (VVS) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Fujitsu M2513A 640M MO DISKTAB Entry needed Date: 23 Aug 1997 08:29:14 GMT Organization: PHM Message-ID: <victor-2308971130450001@news.cs.kiev.ua> Hi! Please, help with <subj>... M2513A don't returns correct geometry information after Mode Sense command. Thanks for advance, --victOr
From: "Laurent" <solfra@worldnet.fr> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: How to change a video driver from the boot ? Date: 23 Aug 1997 10:24:59 GMT Organization: SCT / Worldnet - Internet Provider & Information Exchange - Paris, France Message-ID: <01bcafae$fb6805c0$100e03c3@worldnet.sct.fr> Hello, I'm using Openstep for Mach 4.1 on Intel platform (P200) I have a Diamond 3D 3000 video card. The problem : I changed the video driver : I'd try to use the 3D 2000 driver, but when the computer is booting the driver don't work, I see nothing on the screen. I would change another time my driver (and use the 3D 3000 driver) but I can't use the configuration panel. I have only access on the promt ("boot : "). I have use the boot with the Default option but it the same result. Did another boot option wich can run the computer with another driver ? Please help me. solfra@worlnet.fr
From: NOSPAM.michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Slab needs external SCSI? Date: 20 Aug 1997 19:09:08 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <5tffck$4d2$2@nexusgate.oche.de> References: <33FAB045.5497@holly.colostate.edu> Danny Wang <catalyst@holly.colostate.edu> wrote: >Weird problem, and this is the final resting place of my question. After >changing the internal HD and re-installing NS3.3 on a mono slab, I can't >seem to boot without connecting -and- terminating the external SCSI port >via an external device, in this case, an external CD. If I don't have >the cable to the slab, I get error 65 and 'SCSI Bus Hung' error when I >boot. The internal device has to supply term power (there should be a jumper on the disk) because the hostadapter in a slab or cube does not. >Looked everywhere and I can't seem to find an answer on this...:( It's in the original printed documentation of my slab. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael @ nexus1.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
From: andy.boschmans@usa.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Windows 95 software for calcomp drawingboard??? Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:38:52 GMT Organization: Arcadis INC. - Belgium Online - United Callers Message-ID: <33ff0ffc.729298@news.arcadis.be> Looking for software for my calcomp drawingboard to use it in Windows 95 : programming buttons on it,defining areas etc. I know that it works with "WINTAB.DLL" and "WINTAB32.DLL"
From: ayesham@gte.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: FS: N3000 Optical Drives Date: 23 Aug 1997 18:01:14 GMT Organization: gte.net Message-ID: <5tn8ha$7ih$1@gte2.gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have 6 N3000 Next Optical Drives, 256mb each. No documentation or media, just the bare drives. If interested make me an offer Model # N3000 Part # 294.00 thanks Nadeem
From: Henry Koplien <koplien@vnet.ibm.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:17:31 +0200 Organization: IBM HD MicroCode Message-ID: <33FA7DEB.237C@vnet.ibm.com> References: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> <5tb4m1$m3j@fridge-nf0.shore.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert La Ferla wrote: > > On 08/15/97, Scott Hess wrote: > >Dammit, and I can't afford a Millenium-II w/12M plus a 21" monitor > >capable of 1920x1200 right now, sigh. And even with more than twice > >the screen real estate, I don't imagine even a 21" is really very > >workable at that res (sort of like running a 17" monitor at > >1600x1200). > > Sony has a new 24" color monitor for a mere $4500. ;-) Weighs a ton > but for some applications (like CAD), it is very much desirable. > > Robert Hmm. If you use a Trinitron it is no problem in doing 1600x1200 with a 17" monitor. And 1800x1440 with 20" is better. I can't see any problem. Henry ----------- http://www.ti6.tu-harburg.de/~ti6hk/index.html ------------ snail mail : Henry Koplien, Micro Code Development, IBM 71032 Boeblingen/Germany voice : +49-7031-16-3516 \|/ fax : +49-7031-16-3328 o(O O)o voice,BBS & fax : +49-7031-276113 (private) \ / ------------------ Email: Koplien@vnet.IBM.com ----ooOo---(_)---oOoo---
From: pford@bcm.tmc.edu (Patrick Ford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:51:23 -0500 Organization: Baylor College of Medicine Message-ID: <pford-2308971251230001@news.texas.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> <5tk8em$9km@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971436080001@news.dol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971436080001@news.dol.net>, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: >In article <5tk8em$9km@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pford@bcm.tmc.edu (Patrick V. >Ford) wrote: > >> >> The basic fact is that no matter what Apple's policy is, if there is a >> coherent one, or who is right, they, Apple, have really screwed up the >> handling of the licensing issue. FUD FUD FUD! > >Nope. The simple fact is that the licensing situation is screwed it. Now, >it's very possible that it's Apple's fault. It's also possible that Power >Computing is at fault. > Joe: Do you really believe that Apple, inc. is HANDLING this issue well or even adequately? If so, where can I read an official statement re: Apple's long term policy? All I see is rumors that are not denied(and a lot of them are crap) and terse statements that create mountains of uncertaincy re: Apple's final intent. I see sogans on the MacOS vs Rhapsody's future that sound alot like "Apple // Forever." Apple needs to publish a definitive policy statement on the clone market with explicit cost statements with justifiable cost analysis without the whining. If they are going to kill it, then kill it so I can dump them. If not, then prove it. (How about $150 million in PowerComputing stock.) >The latest rumors say that Umax signed their license agreement before R U M O R, where is the official statement? >MacWorld. Even if they didn't until you _know_ what's been put on the table >and who's saying what, it's impossible to know who's at fault. Apple, Inc. presents the impressiong that the are interested in finger pointing. PowerComputing was into finger pointing, but from my perspective, the only power they had left was to go public. > >Personally, I believe both sides are at fault and favor locking the leaders >from each of the relevant companies in a room with food, water, and a >porta-john and not letting them out until an agreement is signed. LBJ locked the johns and had plenty of beverages. > >Even though Jobs will be outnumbered, they can't work him over too bad >since they still need his signature on the paper to get out of the room. >He'll probably survive with no more than a few bruises and broken bones. >;-) > >Seriously--both sides have taken a pretty firm stand and both sides have a >lot to lose. Both sides need to sign an agreement. Blaming one side isn't >going to help. Apple is in the driver seat.They will bear the primary responsibility and therefore the primary blame or accolades. If PowerCoumputing fails in the next several months, what does that say to the investment community? ³You are a moron if you enter the PPC/MacOS market because you will be at the whims of Apple, Inc. ³ In my opinion, Apple needs a clear, fair, simple, competitive and open licensing policy. They need to drop the certification policy and publically publish specification and "standard programs" that if met and run, then the system with run Rhapsody of MacOS. Additional features NOT in the specification will have to be supported by software drivers supplied by the manufacture. If someone wanted to build a clone in their garage and then buy at CompUSA the "certification" and OS CDROM, let them. There are a myriad of other steps they need to take. One that could help is a pro-active software development group to support outside development. No matter how great an OS is, no one will buy it if there is nothing to run. Programmers won't spend the time to write software for a marginal market. (Now don't tell me that you can make money in the Mac market. I know that, but the marginal return on hours spent is a lot less. You have to charge a competitive price compared to the WINTEL market. Look at the relative cost for SUN software which is nitch, which is often $1000 dollars more than the Win95/WinNT version.) This group should have the authority to assign top programmers to aid in polishing up software, a referal center for contract programmers, investment financing, help in marketting and distribution, resource for development tools, cross-platform testing, etc. The charges should be flexible. Someone out there may have a great idea but no money. A contigency fee system like lawyers would have the potential to reep significant profits for both sides. <time to step off the soap box> Regards, Patrick Ford > >-- >Regards, > >Joe Ragosta >See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site >http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm -- Patrick V. Ford, MD Department of Radiology Baylor College of Medicine pford@bcm.tmc.edu
From: root@cyberpromo.com (our lawmakers are wimps!) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:39:32 -0800 Organization: lan Message-ID: <root-2308971139320001@coatppp4.lanminds.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <then selling off its hardware units. Can it still develop an OS? Let's <look at some numbers. There's 160 programmers working on the OS. <Assuming they average $60,000 a year and Apple sells five million copies <of MacOS per year (maybe that's an optimistic figure, but let's go with <it), they could support those programmers by charging $1.92 per copy. < <What the hell? Even if you double the average salary and halve the number <of copies sold, they could still support their staff on $7.68 per copy. <That's $38.4 million per year for OS development. Add another dozen <million for the board and we're up to $12.48 per copy. < <$12.48 per copy to support 160 programmers each making $120,000 per year, <plus another $12 million for the board. You are way off. First of all, quality assurance engineers make about $25 a hour at Apple (the contractors that is. $25 a hour is about $52,000 a year. Depending on overtime, could be as high as $60,000. BUT when Apple pays a contractor $25 a hour, Apple isnt really paying $25 a hour. They are paying the temp agency (ie addecco, microtemps) about $32 a hour, cause the temp agency is the one who pays the apple contractor (this extra money goes for the agencys profit, plus to pay taxes and other expenses). So a contractor is costing Apple about $70,000 a year. $25 a hour is a average, some make more, some make less. I knew a contractor at Apple who was friends with Guy kawasaki who made $60 a hour, but this is a rarity. Their are also some contractors who only make like $20 a hour at Apple. So problem number 1 is that you forgot that QA are part of the development process. Assuming $60,000 per year for a programmer is also way off. WAY WAY WAY OFF!! Before I give the real cost, I will say I bet you are thinking a full time apple employee makes $60k a year in salary. And this is about right. But you are forgetting the real costs. Lets take a contractor, since as much as half of apple's workers are contractors. A programmer makes about $35 - $45 a hour. A real junior programmer may make $30 a hour. So if Apple hires a contractor at $45 a hour, they will be giving the agency say $60 a hour. Thats about $125,000 a year, maybe even $140,000 - $150,000 with overtime. So we are already up to $200,000 per year, and you still forgot something. The pointy haired paper clip counters!! And since counting paper clips is so difficult, they are paid at least as much as programmers. And these manangers are have to be accounted for both the qa side and the programming side. And then the more senior managers/presidents also have their own administrative staff! Good lord their is no way I can accurately predict this, maybe multiply your ammount by 10? -- Our lawmakers are too busy giving blow jobs to big business to pass laws against spammers. Just imagine if you sent 100 junk faxs to a lawmaker!?!?!? See ftp://members.aol.com/macabrus/roguesgallery to see who is responsible for any spam!
From: "L. Todd Heberlein" <heberlei@NetSQ.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 23 Aug 1997 19:42:09 GMT Organization: mother.com Internet Services Message-ID: <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> > I forget who said it, but I like his idea of Apple sourcing out to > Motorola or someone. Or even of Apple just getting CHRP out in production > then selling off its hardware units. Can it still develop an OS? Let's > look at some numbers. There's 160 programmers working on the OS. > Assuming they average $60,000 a year and Apple sells five million copies > of MacOS per year (maybe that's an optimistic figure, but let's go with > it), they could support those programmers by charging $1.92 per copy. I think putting numbers out is a good place to start, something I almost never see in the trade rags. However, the problem with this is that we are working almost entirely in the dark. A couple of points. First, I don't think Apple's average software engineer is making $60,000 a year, but more importantly, salary is only part of their cost. From my experience working with budgets and proposals for moderate to large size organizations, a typical cost per employee is $250,000 per year. This includes benefits, workers comp, overhead, etc. Second, I believe that 160 programmers only refers to the MacOS line. Apple is currently supporting two development teams, MacOS and Rhapsody, and I don't know what the total numbers are there. Also, I don't know if these numbers include the QTML efforts (and their efforts to port these technologies to Windows). Third, there are all sorts of other costs that the MacOS license fees must cover, from tech writers to marketing to debt payments. So, the short answer is that I don't have a clue as to the amount of revenue Apple must generate from its OS licenses to cover its costs of doing business (much less make a profit for its shareholders). To look at the problem from another angle, consider Windows NT. I believe Apple must be able to compete effectively against NT in the near future to remain a viable company, and I read recently that Bill Gates claims that Microsoft's R&D budget for NT is a billion dollars a year ($1,000,000,000). If Apple intends to keep up with Microsoft on investment, and Apple moves five million MacOS licenses a year, Apple needs to get $200 per copy! And this only covers the R&D costs, not all the other costs associated with doing business. So, what are the real numbers? As I said, I don't have a clue. In the meantime, we just have to wait and see what shakes out. Todd Heberlein
From: "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 23 Aug 1997 12:57:00 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <B02493C4-1EEBF@206.165.44.73> References: <pford-2308971251230001@news.texas.net> To: "Patrick Ford" <pford@bcm.tmc.edu> nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.primenet.com/comp.sys.next.hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick Ford <pford@bcm.tmc.edu> said: > There are a myriad of other steps they need to take. One that could help > is a pro-active software development group to support outside > development. > No matter how great an OS is, no one will buy it if there is nothing to > run. Sounds like my "MacOS R&D Foundation" idea. The problem with the idea of letting Apple finance/support MacOS R&D and startups is that Apple has no money left. Users have to provide that money seperately from their purchases of Apple products because any income that Apple has goes into the blackhole of quarterly losses with nothing left over for R&D or startup money for software/hardware houses. My own belief is that the above is the ONLY way to let MacOS survive (not just as a platform, but as a platform that actually serves the needs of 10's of millions of users). Without continued innovation and so on, MacOS will go the way of Amiga, NeXT, etc. And make no mistake about it: if Apple fails, NeXTstep/Rhapsody fails also -at least as far as the general computing population goes. Does anyone expect Beta to make a comeback? WHy would you expect a niche-only Rhapsody to? Apple (and clone-maker)'s customers have got to wake up and realize that Apple's business model has failed. They can no longer expect Apple to keep up with Microsoft when it comes to innovation. That's why Jobs gave away all Apple's patents for a song: Apple no longer has the wherewithal to make use of them or to produce them in any significant way and it makes more sense to sell them to MS WHILE the company is still going, in an attempt to keep the company solvent, then to sell them during a going-out-of-business sale. And even so, the technology-sharing agreement is mostly for PR purposes: it still doesn't change the fact that Apple no longer has the man-power to *implement* most of what it has available to it, whether it be created at MS or Apple. Apple customers have to pay seperately for MacOS (/Rhapsody/Be/Newton) R&D and software/hardware innovation. Apple can no longer provide the resources to do it for them. And, to be perfectly honest, the financial needs of an ailing company are almost certainly not in-line with the needs of customers that came on-board when the company was in its prime, so there's no reason whatsoever to expect that Apple will ever again try to be what most of its installed customer-base wants it to be. Up until last year, Apple wasn't considered a "niche-player" by most of the computer industry, but the *alternative* player. Now, it is considered niche-only. And it is acting like it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Build a better mousetrap, yes, but then market it like crazy, or instead of catching mice you'll only collect dust. -David Yeargin -------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory Loren Hansen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 23 Aug 1997 20:10:40 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Message-ID: <5tng40$45u$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <root-2308971139320001@coatppp4.lanminds.com> In article <root-2308971139320001@coatppp4.lanminds.com>, our lawmakers are wimps! <root@cyberpromo.com> wrote: > ><then selling off its hardware units. Can it still develop an OS? Let's ><look at some numbers. There's 160 programmers working on the OS. ><Assuming they average $60,000 a year and Apple sells five million copies ><of MacOS per year (maybe that's an optimistic figure, but let's go with ><it), they could support those programmers by charging $1.92 per copy. >< ><What the hell? Even if you double the average salary and halve the number ><of copies sold, they could still support their staff on $7.68 per copy. ><That's $38.4 million per year for OS development. Add another dozen ><million for the board and we're up to $12.48 per copy. >< ><$12.48 per copy to support 160 programmers each making $120,000 per year, ><plus another $12 million for the board. > > >You are way off. First of all, quality assurance engineers make about $25 Which figure is way, way off? The $1.92 figure or the $12.48 figure? >Assuming $60,000 per year for a programmer is also way off. WAY WAY WAY OFF!! >Before I give the real cost, I will say I bet you are thinking a full time >apple employee makes $60k a year in salary. And this is about right. But >you are forgetting the real costs. The $60,000 per year estimate led to my $1.92 figure. I double that, halved the number of sales, and sent $12 million to the BoD to get my $12.48 figure. >Lets take a contractor, since as much as half of apple's workers are >contractors. A programmer makes about $35 - $45 a hour. A real junior >programmer may make $30 a hour. So if Apple hires a contractor at $45 a >hour, they will be giving the agency say $60 a hour. Thats about >$125,000 a year, maybe even $140,000 - $150,000 with overtime. > >So we are already up to $200,000 per year, and you still forgot >something. The pointy haired paper clip counters!! And since counting >paper clips is so difficult, they are paid at least as much as >programmers. And these manangers are have to be accounted for both the qa >side and the programming side. And then the more senior >managers/presidents also have their own administrative staff! Okay. We have 160 programmers, each one of them is making $200,000 per year (man, if I were a programmer, I'd be sending in my resume!), and an equal number of paper clip counters also making $200,000 per year each. Leaving the BoD out of this for now, that's $64 million per year for a large and well-paid staff of programmers and paper clip counters. If Apple can sell 4 million copies of the MacOS per year, they would need to charge $16.00 per copy to recover those costs. Whooptie doo. I am not convinced that they are losing money with a $50 per copy license. >Good lord their is no way I can accurately predict this, maybe multiply >your ammount by 10? How about grabbing your calculator and putting your data through the grinder? If you still think my numbers are way, way off, I really want to see what you come up with and how you get it. But don't make guesses. -- Be like Dad, not like Sis; Lift the seat before you piss.
From: glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory Loren Hansen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 23 Aug 1997 20:37:48 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Message-ID: <5tnhms$4p7$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1> In article <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1>, L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: >> I forget who said it, but I like his idea of Apple sourcing out to >> Motorola or someone. Or even of Apple just getting CHRP out in >production >> then selling off its hardware units. Can it still develop an OS? Let's >> look at some numbers. There's 160 programmers working on the OS. >> Assuming they average $60,000 a year and Apple sells five million copies >> of MacOS per year (maybe that's an optimistic figure, but let's go with >> it), they could support those programmers by charging $1.92 per copy. > >I think putting numbers out is a good place to start, something I almost >never see in the trade rags. However, the problem with this is that we are >working almost entirely in the dark. You cut me off too soon. My second estimate, by doubling the programmer's salary and halving the number of sales, was around $12 per copy. Yes, we're almost entirely in the dark. But I figured putting out any numbers I could latch on to was better than not putting out anything. >A couple of points. First, I don't think Apple's average software engineer >is making $60,000 a year, but more importantly, salary is only part of >their cost. From my experience working with budgets and proposals for >moderate to large size organizations, a typical cost per employee is >$250,000 per year. This includes benefits, workers comp, overhead, etc. > >Second, I believe that 160 programmers only refers to the MacOS line. >Apple is currently supporting two development teams, MacOS and Rhapsody, >and I don't know what the total numbers are there. Also, I don't know if >these numbers include the QTML efforts (and their efforts to port these >technologies to Windows). Okay, how about a revised estimate. 160 programmers and 160 paper clip counters for both MacOS and Rhapsody, 720 employees each costing $250,000 per year. MacOS is currently subsidizing Rhapsody, and Rhapsody brings in no money. They sell 4 million copies of MacOS per year. They would need to charge $45 to cover those expenses. 720 people on both OSes sounds a bit high to me, and $250,000 per employee sounds a bit high. And I have no idea what figures are coming in from Claris or the hardware division, as they'd help to subsidize Rhapsody, so my figure assumes MacOS alone is supporting it. But I also didn't try to account for managers, the BoD's cut (unless that $250,000 per employee is an average that includes the BoD), writers, and whatever technical support costs aren't covered by customers. >Third, there are all sorts of other costs that the MacOS license fees must >cover, from tech writers to marketing to debt payments. Marketing? I specifically assumed zero marketing budget! I haven't seen any marketing in more than a year, except to Macintosh magazines. Maybe my bitterness has biased my figure. >So, the short answer is that I don't have a clue as to the amount of >revenue Apple must generate from its OS licenses to cover its costs of >doing business (much less make a profit for its shareholders). I'd say this gives us a clue. A clue is a far cry from the whole story, of course, but we know that $45 per copy can support 360 well-paid programmers and 360 well-paid paperclip counters. I'm not trying to run all of Apple on these figures, I'm just trying to show that the OS division is profitable and self-sustaining even while subsidizing Rhapsody. >To look at the problem from another angle, consider Windows NT. I believe >Apple must be able to compete effectively against NT in the near future to >remain a viable company, and I read recently that Bill Gates claims that >Microsoft's R&D budget for NT is a billion dollars a year ($1,000,000,000). You think it's really that high? Microsoft would have to sell two million copies of NT per year at $500 each to make up that cost. Or, looking at the employee angle, at $250,000 each that's four thousand employees working on NT and only NT. Not Windows 95, Windows 98, MS Office, nothing else. Not marketing, not distribution, not technical support. Four thousand people doing nothing but developing NT. I doubt it. How many employees does Microsoft have, anyway? -- Be like Dad, not like Sis; Lift the seat before you piss.
From: markeaton@mindspring.canned-meat-filter.com (Mark Eaton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:42:36 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <markeaton-2308971442360001@ip222.santa-clara6.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1> <5tnhms$4p7$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> In article <5tnhms$4p7$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu>, glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory Loren Hansen) wrote: > In article <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1>, > L. Todd Heberlein <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > >Second, I believe that 160 programmers only refers to the MacOS line. > >Apple is currently supporting two development teams, MacOS and Rhapsody, > >and I don't know what the total numbers are there. Also, I don't know if > >these numbers include the QTML efforts (and their efforts to port these > >technologies to Windows). > > Okay, how about a revised estimate. 160 programmers and 160 paper clip > counters for both MacOS and Rhapsody, 720 employees each costing $250,000 I think you are overestimating engineering. Engineers account for a relatively small slice of total headcount: QA, TechPubs, TechSupport, DTS, middle managers, evangelism, marketing, sales, financial, HR; then all the ops staff in mfg, shipping, etc. (And Media Products is a seperate group from Mac OS) > per year. MacOS is currently subsidizing Rhapsody, and Rhapsody brings in > no money. They sell 4 million copies of MacOS per year. They would need > to charge $45 to cover those expenses. copies of MacOS sold per year is hard to estimate... MacOS 8 has only been available so far at retail (it isn't pre-installed on anything but the 2400 which was just shipped last week in the US). I'd say if you add in all the copies sold as pre-installs that number (4mil) could double this year. But this is a good year for OS sales. You don't ship a major rev every year... -mark ---> markeaton@mindspring.canned-meat-filter.com
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:22:43 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <see-below-2308971822430001@ip161.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <root-2308971139320001@coatppp4.lanminds.com> In article <root-2308971139320001@coatppp4.lanminds.com>, root@cyberpromo.com (our lawmakers are wimps!) wrote: > <then selling off its hardware units. Can it still develop an OS? Let's > <look at some numbers. There's 160 programmers working on the OS. > <Assuming they average $60,000 a year and Apple sells five million copies > <of MacOS per year (maybe that's an optimistic figure, but let's go with > <it), they could support those programmers by charging $1.92 per copy. > < > <What the hell? Even if you double the average salary and halve the number > <of copies sold, they could still support their staff on $7.68 per copy. > <That's $38.4 million per year for OS development. Add another dozen > <million for the board and we're up to $12.48 per copy. > < > <$12.48 per copy to support 160 programmers each making $120,000 per year, > <plus another $12 million for the board. > > > You are way off. First of all, quality assurance engineers make about $25 > a hour at Apple (the contractors that is. $25 a hour is about $52,000 a > year. Depending on overtime, could be as high as $60,000. BUT when Apple > pays a contractor $25 a hour, Apple isnt really paying $25 a hour. They > are paying the temp agency (ie addecco, microtemps) about $32 a hour, > cause the temp agency is the one who pays the apple contractor (this extra > money goes for the agencys profit, plus to pay taxes and other expenses). > So a contractor is costing Apple about $70,000 a year. > > $25 a hour is a average, some make more, some make less. I knew a > contractor at Apple who was friends with Guy kawasaki who made $60 a hour, > but this is a rarity. Their are also some contractors who only make like > $20 a hour at Apple. > > So problem number 1 is that you forgot that QA are part of the development > process. > > Assuming $60,000 per year for a programmer is also way off. WAY WAY WAY OFF!! > Before I give the real cost, I will say I bet you are thinking a full time > apple employee makes $60k a year in salary. And this is about right. But > you are forgetting the real costs. > > Lets take a contractor, since as much as half of apple's workers are > contractors. A programmer makes about $35 - $45 a hour. A real junior > programmer may make $30 a hour. So if Apple hires a contractor at $45 a > hour, they will be giving the agency say $60 a hour. Thats about > $125,000 a year, maybe even $140,000 - $150,000 with overtime. > > So we are already up to $200,000 per year, and you still forgot > something. The pointy haired paper clip counters!! And since counting > paper clips is so difficult, they are paid at least as much as > programmers. And these manangers are have to be accounted for both the qa > side and the programming side. And then the more senior > managers/presidents also have their own administrative staff! > > Good lord their is no way I can accurately predict this, maybe multiply > your ammount by 10? Well, I can't argue with you about needing quality assurance and other staff, such as accounting, management, shipping/receiving, marketing, etc., as well as higher rates to cover fees to temp agencies, health benefits, etc. But really, if the figure is ten times higher then I think something is wrong and this makes it even more imperative to split the company up. If the software division needs to survive by essentially paying only programmers, then it will be forced to slim down substantially. Now I know this has already happened quite a bit, but I still find it hard to believe that they couldn't afford to make this work: $50/copy of the OS times 5 million copies (I mean, what does the entire MacOS market sell in new computers a year? 3 million? 6 million? MacOS is bundled with each of these machines), plus 1.2 million copies of OS 8 in only 2 weeks - of course this level of retail OS sales won't be sustained throughout the year, but I'd excpect at least a couple million at retail, and probalby quite a bit more. So our *minimum* figure for revenues is something like $250 million a year, just from straight OS sales, not to mention all of NeXT's development tools, etc. Let's say there are 1000 people working on various software projects in various capacities, including support staff, etc. That's still $250,000/year per person. Of course, you still have to pay for real estate, supplies, and other items, but I'm finding it very difficult to believe that it would be unworkable. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:31:45 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <see-below-2308971831450001@ip161.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1> In article <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1>, "L. Todd Heberlein" <heberlei@NetSQ.com> wrote: > > I forget who said it, but I like his idea of Apple sourcing out to > > Motorola or someone. Or even of Apple just getting CHRP out in > production > > then selling off its hardware units. Can it still develop an OS? Let's > > look at some numbers. There's 160 programmers working on the OS. > > Assuming they average $60,000 a year and Apple sells five million copies > > of MacOS per year (maybe that's an optimistic figure, but let's go with > > it), they could support those programmers by charging $1.92 per copy. > > I think putting numbers out is a good place to start, something I almost > never see in the trade rags. However, the problem with this is that we are > working almost entirely in the dark. > > A couple of points. First, I don't think Apple's average software engineer > is making $60,000 a year, but more importantly, salary is only part of > their cost. From my experience working with budgets and proposals for > moderate to large size organizations, a typical cost per employee is > $250,000 per year. This includes benefits, workers comp, overhead, etc. That's usually the amount a company has to bill (their clients) for each "billable" employee to cover all costs, such as real-estate, supplies, benefits, their salaries, as well as the salaries and benefits of all the "non-billable" employees like marketing people, shipping and receiving, accounting, and seceretaries. To the best of my knowledge, most companies along the lines of Apple actually only bring in total revenues something in the range of $100,000-$150,000 per employee (including support staff) overall, or sometimes more if they're doing *really* well. > So, the short answer is that I don't have a clue as to the amount of > revenue Apple must generate from its OS licenses to cover its costs of > doing business (much less make a profit for its shareholders). > > In the meantime, we just have to wait and see what shakes out. Agreed. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
From: root@cyberpromo.com (our lawmakers are wimps!) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:51:01 -0800 Organization: lan Message-ID: <root-2308971751020001@coatppp25.lanminds.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <root-2308971139320001@coatppp4.lanminds.com> <5tng40$45u$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <How about grabbing your calculator and putting your data through the <grinder? If you still think my numbers are way, way off, I really want to <see what you come up with and how you get it. But don't make guesses. Well you were being way too simplistic. Ok, lets say $200,000 per programmer (x 160) = 32 million $100,000 per qa (X 160 = 16 million $200,000 per pointy haired paper clip counter (for programming) (X 20) = 4 million $200,000 per pointy haired paper clip counter (qa) (x 20) = 4 million $200,000 per pointy haired paper clip counter (certification (x 20) = 4 million $100,000 per qa certification (X 30) = 3 million $200,000 per programming paper clip counter's administrative assistant (X 10) = 2 million $200,000 per qa paper clip counter's administrative assistant (x 30) = 6 million $200,000 per certification paper clip counter's administrative assistant ( x 30) = 6 million Now I still think you are being way too simplistic!! This still doesnt even come close to the total costs!! And I honestly cant come close to the real costs, and dont think you can either!! For instance, these employee's dont work at home, they work at apple leased buildings. The price of the huge office buildings is quite expensive. Utilities? The employee's dont bring in their own supplies. You have to also figure in the cost of equipment, the cpu's, monitors, modems, etc etc etc. I have no way of figuring the costs for these, are you a expert on real estate in cupertino? Oh, and also, dont they need accountants? And probably still other employees So the total excluding utilities, and leasing costs is 82 million -- Our lawmakers are too busy giving blow jobs to big business to pass laws against spammers. Just imagine if you sent 100 junk faxs to a lawmaker!?!?!? See ftp://members.aol.com/macabrus/roguesgallery to see who is responsible for any spam!
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From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: extra sim socket in mono/turbo station? Date: 24 Aug 1997 02:30:56 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5to6d0$qad@crcnis3.unl.edu> Over the summer I got a mono turbo Nextstation. (My first.) When I opened it up, I noticed, in addition to the four sockets near the power supply, there was a socket that (apparently, I never tried it) takes a sim about halfway between the ROM and the disk drives. Could somebody enlighten me on what this is for? (my guess is that it could me some sort of cache, but I really am not sure...) -Josh Reply to this newsgroup please, IS hasn't networked it yet, and this account gets a tremendous amount of spam. TIA
From: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 56K Modems Date: 24 Aug 1997 02:41:43 GMT Organization: Fafnir.com Message-ID: <5to717$neq@chile.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can someone recommend a 56K modem for a Black Cube? Yes, I know about the 38,400 maximum speed of the serial chip. But I'm installing a Pyro and want to try some faster speeds after that, which some people have reported success with. In any case, a 33.6K modem is still less than 38.4K and I would be replacing a 28.8K modem. I tried the trade-in modem from Supra, but it's a plastic piece of crap and wouldn't even talk to the NeXT. -- Where diesel guitars from faraway bars, blast out the best songs from our holy wars. Coyote carnival catches on fire, all the cops in the world pick us up on radar. Jim McKelvey mckelvey@fafnir.com
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <13779871790424@digifix.com> Date: 24 Aug 1997 03:53:23 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <10179872395226@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: pit @ iohk.com (TaiQ) Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> Message-ID: <340008f9.0@news.iohk.com> Date: 24 Aug 97 10:12:09 GMT Organization: Internet OnLine HK Limited In message <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> - kcd@babylon5.jumpgate.com (Kenneth C. Dyke)22 Aug 1997 17:40:04 GMT writes: > [cut] >IMNSFHO, even if the cloners had been expanding the Mac market, Apple >would _still_ be getting smacked around on the high end for the reasons >up above. For whatever reason, their systems just don't compete on a >price/performance basis. This is America, we have this thing called >capitalism. It usually seems to work, and faster/better/cheaper >usually wins. Ask yourself why anyone would buy a 9600 instead of a >PowerTower Pro. If the only reason is for better/nicer casework and an >Apple logo, then maybe Apple has a problem. > >I've been thinking that what Apple ought to do is stop licensing their >own hardware designs and force people to build their own systems, >instead of whining when cloners sell Apple's own designs cheaper than >Apple does. Then if Apple finds that CHRP systems are kicking their >ass, why not OEM CHRP systems from Motorola? They'd save R&D money, >and make their margins on the _systems_, which is where the money is >anyway. Motorola-Apple cooperation sounds more appealing by the day. What would be the implications if Moto became a major investor in Apple? PPC hardware would probably make faster progress and CHRP architecture would really benefit from economies of scale. Dumping (most) proprietary Apple h/w designs would speed up future OS development too. Apple's hardware division could be renamed Apple Designs with the task of designing Apple branded enhancements to the Motorola designed hardware and thusly created systems would come in stylish Pomme-logo boxes. Apple could also buy PowerComputing to take over/introduce direct marketing of both lower end PowerMac clones and, ahem, PC clones. In the future "PCC" models would start using the same Moto-designed hardware but with less, or less-than-cutting-edge Apple Designs enhancements. PowerPC and "Intel" motherboards could be close relatives - ideally the only difference would be the CPU in CPU-card. Same boxes would be advertised in both Mac and PC media (finally!), and the buyers of PC-boxes - once hooked on Rhapsody - could be promised an easy upgrade path to PPC to really unleash the performance. This ought to suit Motorola just fine, and Apple as the provider of Rhapsody. Moto would also gain world-class OS (Rhapsody) as their "own", meaning deeper commitment to the platform and Rhapsody's instantly improved recognition as enterprise-ready. Apple could also benefit from Motorola's prowess in minituriation and wireless technologies. Who wants MessagePad 2020 with built-in mobile phone - or a Moto-phone that under cover is in fact a MPxxxx ...? Make Nokia's Communicator look like a toy - for the masses. Hmm, this looks far too easy way to success - what's the problem with this scenario? Rgds -- ___________________________________________________________________ TaiQ pit @ iohk.com Do you enjoy freedom of speech, opinion and religion? A lot of people aren't that lucky... F R E E T * B * T
From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sonnet Accelerator in an 040 NeXT Date: 22 Aug 1997 21:25:33 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <5tl04d$t6c$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> References: <5tanbk$db0$1@ocean.cup.hp.com> <EFA382.H6x@nidat.sub.org> In article <EFA382.H6x@nidat.sub.org>, Peter Nitezki <Peter.Nitezki@bku.db.de> wrote: >The main board isn' t overclockable. You'd need a separate clock for the >processor and some cirquitry to isolate the bus. I believe the Sonnet accelerator does do that. It fits on the '040 socket as a piggyback and has its own crystal. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue M/S 44UR Enterprise Systems Division Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.1053 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company
From: Henry Koplien <koplien@de.ibm.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:02:36 +0200 Organization: IBM HD MicroCode Message-ID: <33FBE80C.446B@de.ibm.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <yl390xwm81h.fsf@shell8.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Nicholson wrote: > > "Eric A. Dubiel" <eadubie@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> writes: > > > > > <frustration> > > Apple, what's up with the PowerPC Platform (or PPCP or CHRP - Common > > Hardware Reference Platform)? > > > > I didn't invest in Apple to see such short-sighted decisions on > > licensing being made. WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU KILLING CLONES? > > > Simple, when Rhapsody becomes something Apple will sell to you directly. > > Apple believes Rhapsody will sell hardware. Yes, they do. Steve Jobs thought the same, hahaha. The hardware was the first item killed in his loosing NeXT-Odysee. One year later the software died. I would never buy a machine I *must* stuck with an unsupported OS. I decided to buy an Intel platform. Very good choice... if I feel uncompfortable with NS3.3 I put linux on it, or any other OS like Windows-NT. Why in the hell should I buy a computer which may be dead in one year and is only worse for trashing and nothing more? Henry -- ----------- http://www.ti6.tu-harburg.de/~ti6hk/index.html ------------ snail mail : Henry Koplien, Micro Code Development, IBM 71032 Boeblingen/Germany voice : +49-7031-16-3516 \|/ fax : +49-7031-16-3328 o(O O)o voice,BBS & fax : +49-7031-276113 (private) \ / ------------------ Email: Koplien@vnet.IBM.com ----ooOo---(_)---oOoo---
From: don@globalobjects.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: extra sim socket in mono/turbo station? Date: 24 Aug 1997 19:17:19 GMT Organization: Global Objects Inc. Message-ID: <5tq1bv$1mh$1@news.xmission.com> References: <5to6d0$qad@crcnis3.unl.edu> 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) wrote: > Over the summer I got a mono turbo Nextstation. > (My first.) > > When I opened it up, I noticed, in addition to the four sockets near the > power supply, there was a socket that (apparently, I never tried it) takes > a sim about halfway between the ROM and the disk drives. > > Could somebody enlighten me on what this is for? (my guess is that it > could me some sort of cache, but I really am not sure...) This is a FAQ. It is for adding RAM to the DSP chip's address space. Unless you are a heavy user of the MusicKit, it does you no good. And even if you are, finding the needed SRAM SIMM nowadays is probably nigh unto impossible... -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com <a href="http://www.misckit.com/don.html">My home page</a>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: extra sim socket in mono/turbo station? Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: <EFFIBq.Fnt@novice.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:38:14 GMT References: <5to6d0$qad@crcnis3.unl.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo In article <5to6d0$qad@crcnis3.unl.edu>, Josh Hesse <00093182@bigred.unl.edu> wrote: > >Could somebody enlighten me on what this is for? (my guess is that it >could me some sort of cache, but I really am not sure...) > It's for a DSP memory exapansion board that isn't really available anymore. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
From: ipely@charm.net (Istvan Pely) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Modems for black hardware Date: 25 Aug 1997 02:49:26 GMT Organization: Charm.Net Baltimore Internet Access, Hon (410) 558-3900 Message-ID: <ipely-2408972250330001@balt-rfnp-089.charm.net> Which modems will work with a Nextstation color? Thanks. -Ist
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Modems for black hardware Date: 25 Aug 1997 03:53:58 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5tqvkm$9cg$3@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <ipely-2408972250330001@balt-rfnp-089.charm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ipely@charm.net In <ipely-2408972250330001@balt-rfnp-089.charm.net> Istvan Pely wrote: > Which modems will work with a Nextstation color? Thanks. I think most modems will work. You'll need a special modem cable (see Deepspacetech or Spherical's web page). Only some modems will work with NXFax (ZyXel and some Supras). If you are looking for a modem to work with PPP, you might ask the PPP mailing list 'nextppp@listproc.thoughtport.com' (it is a closed list, you will have to subscribe to post). TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 25 Aug 97 06:15:21 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <doenges.872489721@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> <5tk8em$9km@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971436080001@news.dol.net> Originator: doenges@batian.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) writes: >Personally, I believe both sides are at fault and favor locking the leaders >from each of the relevant companies in a room with food, water, and a >porta-john and not letting them out until an agreement is signed. Good idea. Leave out the porta-john though - that way negotiations should proceed much quicker. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 07:15:01 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2408970715010001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1> <see-below-2308971831450001@ip161.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <see-below-2308971831450001@ip161.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: > To the best of my knowledge, most companies along the lines of Apple > actually only bring in total revenues something in the range of > $100,000-$150,000 per employee (including support staff) overall, or > sometimes more if they're doing *really* well. I don't think so. Apple has $7 billion in revenue and something like 10,000 employess. That's $700,000. I don't recall the exact number of employess, but it's not _that_ different from 10K. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta joe.ragosta@dol.net Visit the Complete Macintosh Web Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: jsamson@istar.ca (Jean-Paul Samson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Scanner problems with HSD Scan-X Color Date: 16 Aug 1997 04:14:34 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Message-ID: <5t39fa$b2s$1@news.istar.ca> References: <5suuc9$3e5$5@nexusgate.oche.de> <5sv1nq$3e5$6@nexusgate.oche.de> In-Reply-To: <5sv1nq$3e5$6@nexusgate.oche.de> On 08/14/97, Michael Pieper, remove 'NOSPAM' for reply wrote: >> since a while I have a problem with my HSD Scan-X Color scanner >> attached to my Nextstation. It does not scan blue anymore. No >> problems with B&W or greyscale scans, but when I want to do a >> colour scan, red and green scans are ok, then it changes to the >> blue filter, waits some seconds, moves the lamp >> some centimeters up and down and that it was. This is a problem I've heard of before with the HSD Scan-X Color scanners. One suggestion I've heard is to try replacing the bulb with a fresh one, although this doesn't always work. -- -===================================================================- Jean-Paul C. Samson -==- jsamson@istar.ca (NeXTmail & MIME welcome) -=============- http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~jeanpaul -=============- -===================================================================- "Microsoft is a fact of life. They're like the air we breathe. Perhaps a better analogy is bottled water, because you have to buy it." -- Steve Jobs, Apple Computer's Worldwide Developers Conference, May 16th, 1997 -===================================================================-
From: phein@gromit.wright.edu (Peter Hein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help with my 2 black boxes... Date: 25 Aug 1997 11:45:31 GMT Organization: Wright State University Message-ID: <5trr8r$1el$1@mercury.wright.edu> References: <fmlazar-1708971542460001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> In article <fmlazar-1708971542460001@host035.jerseycity.interactive.net> fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com (Frank Lazar) writes: > In article <33F50D47.11192EDD@i-image.com>, Robert Matthews > <rob@i-image.com> wrote: > > > I just purchased 2 *non-working* next machines at a salvage sale. I > > haven't used a next machine in quite a while, but am eager to return. I > > managed to get both machines to boot, but they come up to a login prompt > > and I have no idea on how to get past it. Also, I only have one > > keyboard. Anybody know where I could get another for cheap? I have a > > cube (mono) with 16meg and 250+ HD and a slab workstation (memory > > unknown). Please respond to my e-mail address as well as my news feed > > is spotty at best. > > Thanks in advance, > > > > -Robert > > Robertma@fiber.net > > > If it's an ADB machine, an ADB Mac keyboard should do the trick and > there are some non-Apple ones which are fairly cheap. I have a small > Apple keyboard which I used on my SE/30 which works fine as all the NeXT > keys have Apple correspondents, Power, Command etc. or at least I haven't > run into any problems syet. (Similarly the NeXT black keyboards work just > fine on Apples) I've also seen NeXT keyboards advertised in MacWeek in > companies like Shreve Systems for about $30 bucks. > > > > As to the login prompt, if you don't have the passwords, you may just > have to hook up a CD and reinstall NeXT from scratch, either that or > perhaps get someone to "hack" the system from the console as it were. > > > > Good luck! No need to reinstall. You should be able to do a Command+~ and dump yourself into the monitor. Once there, boot into single-user mode; d sd -s. From here you can replace the passwd and group files in /etc. You can find system templates of them in /usr/template/client/. Once replaced, you can just reboot the machine, if it worked, you will be thrown inot the me account. -- Peter N. Hein Macintosh Desktop Technician Wright State University - CaTS - Network Services phein@gromit.wright.edu -- NeXT Mail Friendly!
From: jmeacham@meacham.charm.net (The Rev. James D. Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Modems for black hardware Date: 25 Aug 1997 13:44:23 GMT Organization: Charm.Net Baltimore Internet Access, Hon (410) 558-3900 Message-ID: <5ts27n$jh6$1@news2.charm.net> References: <ipely-2408972250330001@balt-rfnp-089.charm.net> In-Reply-To: <ipely-2408972250330001@balt-rfnp-089.charm.net> On 08/24/97, Istvan Pely wrote: >Which modems will work with a Nextstation color? Thanks. > >-Ist > My machine has used the following: Linelink Dove HSD ZyXEL The last is particularly good. It takes a thermonuclear blast to break a connection with a ZyXEL, a good thing if you have noisy lines. Also, B&W software just posted the most excellent fax software as shareware for the ZyXEL. You just need to make sure you get the right modem cable, which at this point will probably mean having someone like Black Box make it for you. The wiring diagram is in the documentation section of the 3.x install. Good luck! James -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- The Rev. James David Meacham Minister, Webmaster, Philosopher "If people did not sometimes do silly things, nothing intelligent would ever get done." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:22:33 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: > In article <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net>, > joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > > > The clone makers have every bit as much flexibility to configure their > > systems as the average PC vendor who relies on one or two motherboard > > suppliers. > > But only flexibility within the confines of the motherboard design. For True. But: 1. The same is true in the PC world. Only a few of the larger clone makers make their own motherboards. 2. As I pointed out in the previous post, PCC, in particular, has done some things on the motherboard differently than Apple. The built-in ATI graphics chip set is one example. > instance, Power has barely been able to push the clock speeds on some of > these pitiful motherboards to 60MHz, something that even Apple never > managed. But PCs routinely run at 66MHz and higher. Careful. You're comparing Apples and oranges. The average PC is 60-66 MHz with 64 bit memory bus. The average Mac being sold today is 50 MHz with interleaved memory bus. I don't know which is faster, but it's certainly not as big a difference as it appears. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta joe.ragosta@dol.net Visit the Complete Macintosh Web Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: bestor@cs.wisc.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 8 72pin SIMM sockets. What is this thing? Date: 15 Aug 1997 05:03:12 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <5t0nug$1gf6@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <01bca914$0a9e0720$aa098bcc@isp.isp.net> "gmrca" <gmrca@isp.net> wrote: >I have a Color NeXTStation, and need to know WhAT it is. >All of the specs that I see point to a slab having 4 SIMM >sockets, and 128megs max RAM. Does this mean I could >do 256? Or that it won't accept 32meg SIMMs? You have a first generation 25MHz NeXTstation Color. It has eight 72 pin SIMMs for 12-32 MB of interleaved memory. The SIMMs take only 1MB or 4MB parts. Sorry - you're limited to 32MB max. >In addition, are there any hardware hacks to increase speed >on a slab? Other than buying a 33MHz Turbo Color motherboard ($150 from http://www.deepspacetech.com), not really. There is a 50MHz 68040 Pyro daughtercard but I doubt you'll ever find one for sale and it'll cost you a lot even if you do (its a collectors item). Then there's the 40MHz Nitro daughtercard for Turbo machines, but if you found one of those for under $1000 I'd have to kill you! :-) It is beyond a collectors item and has gained a status closer to that of the Holy Grail... - Gareth --- Gareth Bestor bestor@cs.wisc.edu Computer Sciences Department http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~bestor University of Wisconsin-Madison
From: Interstroom <trooster@interstroom.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: help. system will not boot Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:33:48 +0200 Organization: Interstroom informatietechnologie BV Message-ID: <3401DE1C.6E25@interstroom.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We just got a second-hand Next Cube, but the system will not boot. After detecting the SCSI device, the system ends up in a 'NeXT ROM Monitor 2.5 (v66)' with the following message: Exception #2 (0x8) at 0x4380012 What does this mean? Is it a memory error? If so, how can we check memory? With kind regards, Madeleine Loman / Joris Trooster
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From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: help. system will not boot Date: 25 Aug 1997 22:19:56 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5tt0ec$gdd$1@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <3401DE1C.6E25@interstroom.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: trooster@interstroom.nl In <3401DE1C.6E25@interstroom.nl> Interstroom wrote: > Exception #2 (0x8) at 0x4380012 > > What does this mean? Is it a memory error? If so, how can we check > memory? More than likely. Try shutting the machine down, blowing the dust out (or vaccuum out if you have the right tool), and take out the RAM, check the contacts. Then replace the RAM... start with 8 meg and add in pairs, booting in between to make sure it works. It might go away with simple power-cycling. It might be a sign of a dying system... or just a battery TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
From: armin@devicen.de (Armin Retzko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Can't install OPENSTEP 4.2 on 4.3GB IBM DCAS-34330 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:26:39 +0200 Organization: DEVICE/N GmbH Message-ID: <armin-ya023180002608970026390001@news.messe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I can't install OPENSTEP 4.2 on 4.3GB IBM DCAS-34330, because my NeXTcube identifies this HD as one having a capacity of 38 MB (Megabyte!!!). So it's impossible for me to install OPENSTEP 4.2 on this HD from scratch. The 4.2 installation screen says: The following disks are available in this computer: 1. SCSI DISK at target 0 (MAXTOR [...]) - 360 MB. 2. SCSI DISK at target 1 (IBM DCAS-34330) - 4330 MB. ^^^^^^^^ The first installation process works fine after selecting HD 2. But after the reboot the installer "Install NEXTSTEP" (additional software) can't install anything, because it says that the HD has only 38 MB! Please Help! Thanx in advantage. PS: My configuration is: NeXTcube 25 Mhz, NeXTSTEP 3.0, internal MAXTOR 360 MB, external IBM DCAS-34330 4.3 GB, external PLI 2.88MB SCSI-floppy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Armin Retzko DEVICE/N GmbH - Hannover, Germany e-mail at DEVICE/N: armin@devicen.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) Subject: non postscript printer with NS/OS on intel? Message-ID: <leffert.872549781@cs.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:56:21 GMT I know that non postscript printers are not supposed to work with NS/OS on intel. Would it be possible to create a device that is a pipe through ghostscript to the parallel port? Say convert postscript to pcl for hp printers? Has anyone tried this? -j -- Jonathan B. Leffert <leffert@cs.uchicago.edu> "But on the serious 3.5% tip, 'B' is the second letter of the English Alphabet. You work it out." -- Tone Def, "Fear of a Black Hat" finger -l leffert@cs.uchicago.edu for PGP Public Key
From: trail@iserv.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: non postscript printer with NS/OS on intel? Date: 25 Aug 1997 23:41:09 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <5tt56l$j17@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> References: <leffert.872549781@cs.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <leffert.872549781@cs.uchicago.edu> On 08/25/97, Jonathan B. Leffert wrote: >I know that non postscript printers are not supposed to work with NS/OS on >intel. Would it be possible to create a device that is a pipe through >ghostscript to the parallel port? Say convert postscript to pcl for hp >printers? Has anyone tried this? > I'm using a HP 4P (w/o Postscript simm) by means of Rex Dieter's Ghostscript Print Filter. It has worked great for me. If it supports your printer, it is an excellent (and free) solution. Jeff trail@ix.netcom.com
From: emclean@slip.net (Emmett McLean) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 56K Modems Date: 25 Aug 1997 17:40:27 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net Message-ID: <5tt8lr$q53@slip.net> References: <5to717$neq@chile.earthlink.net> In article <5to717$neq@chile.earthlink.net>, James W. McKelvey <mckelvey@fafnir.com> wrote: > >Can someone recommend a 56K modem for a Black Cube? Yes, I know about the >38,400 maximum speed of the serial chip. But I'm installing a Pyro and want >to try some faster speeds after that, which some people have reported success >with. My X2 works great with my 040/25 cube using Yyrid's Cables.app. It works fine through both the serial port and through TTYDSP. Emmett
From: siren@surf.pangea.ca (Betty Siren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 2 computers and 1 monitor Date: 26 Aug 1997 01:23:13 -0500 Organization: Pangea.CA, Inc. Message-ID: <5ttsoh$89v@surf.pangea.ca> References: <5ti28h$d5e$1@jeeves.niehs.nih.gov> Keywords: PowerMac, NeXT, monitor dinse@catatac.niehs.nih.gov (Gregg E. Dinse) writes: [...] >Does anyone know of other high-end monitors that allow the >same thing? Any stories, good or bad? Gregg ... My Samsung SyncMaster 17 GLsi is connected that way to a NextDimention and a WinTel box. Only "medium-end" but works perfectly. Very convenient! Even remembers the "BNC/D-sub setting thru a power cycle. ... Richard Tilley <siren@pangea.ca>
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:21:44 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <see-below-2608970121440001@ip94.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1> <see-below-2308971831450001@ip161.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2408970715010001@news.dol.net> In article <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2408970715010001@news.dol.net>, joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > In article > <see-below-2308971831450001@ip161.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, > see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: > > > To the best of my knowledge, most companies along the lines of Apple > > actually only bring in total revenues something in the range of > > $100,000-$150,000 per employee (including support staff) overall, or > > sometimes more if they're doing *really* well. > > I don't think so. > > Apple has $7 billion in revenue and something like 10,000 employess. That's > $700,000. I don't recall the exact number of employess, but it's not _that_ > different from 10K. Ah... you're right, the figures from the fiscal year ending Sept 27, 1996 are $733,916 per employee. But what I forgot was that this is *gross* income. If that were all for hardware sales (which it's not, but it is the lion's share), and they had a 20% gross margin, then the remaining amount is... about $147,000 per employee. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: non postscript printer with NS/OS on intel? Date: 26 Aug 1997 13:22:32 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <5tulao$4q4@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <5tul04$4ps@crcnis3.unl.edu> In article <5tul04$4ps@crcnis3.unl.edu> lcharbon@ameritas.com (Larry Charbonneau) writes: Sorry for the mis-Identification. The last post was mine, not Larry's. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln stscript to the parallel port? Say convert postscript to pcl for hp > printers? Has anyone tried this? Good idea! (-; Wait, been there... done that. It's called GSPrintFilter. Find it at http://www.peak.org/next/ (somewhere). Enjoy. -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln
From: alex@guava.phil.lehigh.edu (Alex Levine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: extra sim socket in mono/turbo station? Date: 25 Aug 1997 13:36:45 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <5ts1pd$19vk@fidoii.cc.Lehigh.EDU> References: <5to6d0$qad@crcnis3.unl.edu> In article <5to6d0$qad@crcnis3.unl.edu> 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) writes: > > Over the summer I got a mono turbo Nextstation. > (My first.) > > When I opened it up, I noticed, in addition to the four sockets near the > power supply, there was a socket that (apparently, I never tried it) takes > a sim about halfway between the ROM and the disk drives. > > Could somebody enlighten me on what this is for? (my guess is that it > could me some sort of cache, but I really am not sure...) > I believe that's for DSP SRAM. Alex -- Alexander Levine Philosophy Department Lehigh University ATL2@lehigh.edu
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:04:27 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2608970804270001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <33FCA105.7DDA@phx.mcd.mot.com> <see-below-2108972149390001@ip159.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2208971438510001@news.dol.net> <5tlpku$ls0$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu> <01bcafea$f68e4be0$04387880@test1> <see-below-2308971831450001@ip161.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2408970715010001@news.dol.net> <see-below-2608970121440001@ip94.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> Organization: Graver Chemical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <see-below-2608970121440001@ip94.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: > In article <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2408970715010001@news.dol.net>, > joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > > > In article > > <see-below-2308971831450001@ip161.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net>, > > see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, most companies along the lines of Apple > > > actually only bring in total revenues something in the range of > > > $100,000-$150,000 per employee (including support staff) overall, or > > > sometimes more if they're doing *really* well. > > > > I don't think so. > > > > Apple has $7 billion in revenue and something like 10,000 employess. That's > > $700,000. I don't recall the exact number of employess, but it's not _that_ > > different from 10K. > > > Ah... you're right, the figures from the fiscal year ending Sept 27, 1996 > are $733,916 per employee. But what I forgot was that this is *gross* > income. If that were all for hardware sales (which it's not, but it is the > lion's share), and they had a 20% gross margin, then the remaining amount > is... about $147,000 per employee. Which, of course, is rationalization. You stated that gross revenues for most companies like Apple were $100-150K per employee. Gross revenues per employee is a commonly used yardstick. Gross margin per employee isn't. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: Maurice van Steensel <m.vansteensel@antrg.azn.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Exception error during boot Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:00:25 -0700 Organization: University Hospital Nijmegen Message-ID: <34036E19.5709@antrg.azn.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, got this forwarded Anyone have any idea what this exception error means? Thanx Maurice > We just got a second-hand Next Cube, but the system will not boot. After detecting the SCSI device, the system ends up in a 'NeXT ROM Monitor 2.5 (v66)' with the following message: Exception #2 (0x8) at 0x4380012 What does this mean? Is it a memory error? If so, how can we check memory? With kind regards, Madeleine Loman / Joris Trooster
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Exception error during boot Date: 26 Aug 1997 20:43:13 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5tvf51$ggu$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <34036E19.5709@antrg.azn.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: m.vansteensel@antrg.azn.nl I just answered this yesterday (Message ID: <5tt0ec$gdd$1@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com>) in this exact same newsgroup under the thread 'help. system will not boot' TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
From: Bjarni Thor Juliusson <bjarnij@nyherji.is> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Color Slap - NeXT MegaPixel 21" - 1GB price Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:43:32 +0100 Organization: Nyherji hf. Message-ID: <34033FF4.95A7094D@nyherji.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: comp.sys.next.marketplace@nyherji.is Hi Can any one tell me how much you are getting for an old 25Mhz 040 Slap with 21" Color. Thanks Bjarni Thor
From: Bjarni Thor Juliusson <bjarnij@nyherji.is> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: SCSI CD-ROM Drivers Anywhere? Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:14:44 +0100 Organization: Nyherji hf. Message-ID: <34034743.559BBCF8@nyherji.is> References: <5ti60f$jm$1@hecate.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: sbhunter@osprey.smcm.edu sbhunter@osprey.smcm.edu wrote: > We have some NeXT cubes & slabs, as well as some SCSI CD-ROM drives. > We'd LOVE to get these guys talking, esp. with the latest versions of > things coming out on CD-ROM. Nothing fancy; we just want to mount a > CD & be able to read from it. I'm assuming that we need drivers to > make this happen, but don't know where to look for them -- in fact, > I'm not sure what else/instead-of-drivers we would need. > > Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > scott I don't know what you are saying darling.... Almost any SCSI CD is accepted for the SCSI I and or II port on all mk68's. Check the termination and caple.
From: "Ing. Mario Farias-Elinos" <mfarias@aldebaran.ci.ulsa.mx> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Driver for the 6MP printer Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:00:26 -0500 Organization: La Salle University Message-ID: <3403600A.24C84D0@aldebaran.ci.ulsa.mx> References: <01bca655$8057cd00$040e03c3@worldnet.sct.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laurent wrote: > Hello, > > How can I use my new Hewlett Packard 6MP (Postscript) printer ? > I did'nt see the correct driver in the list of device drivers. > > May I use the 4MP driver ? > Hi!!!!! Yes, you can use the HP 4MP driver for your HP 6MP, the only detail it's the printer not printer at same velocity. Regards ----------------------------------------+------------------------------------ Ing. Mario Farias Elinos. | e-mail: mfarias@ci.ulsa.mx Laboratorio del Centro de Investigacion | http://www.ulsa.mx/~mfarias/ Universidad La Salle, A.C. | Tel: (525)728-0522 Benjamin Franklin #47, Col. Condesa | (525)728-0500 ext. 5105 Mexico, D.F. 06140. Mexico. | Fax: (525)271-1544 ----------------------------------------+------------------------------------
From: ericb@pobox.com (Eric) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 27 Aug 1997 01:49:46 GMT Organization: Cornell University Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3638] Message-ID: <5u013q$o2@news.emi.com> References: <pford-2308971251230001@news.texas.net> <B02493C4-1EEBF@206.165.44.73> XDisclaimer: User not authenticated In article <B02493C4-1EEBF@206.165.44.73> "Lawson English" <english@primenet.com> writes: > Sounds like my "MacOS R&D Foundation" idea. The problem with the idea of > letting Apple finance/support MacOS R&D and startups is that Apple has no > money left. Users have to provide that money seperately from their > purchases of Apple products because any income that Apple has goes into the > blackhole of quarterly losses with nothing left over for R&D or startup > money for software/hardware houses. But the quarterly losses are as large as they are in part because Apple still does R&D. Probably not as much as they used to, but they're still spending. -- Eric Bennett ( ericb@pobox.com ; http://www.pobox.com/~ericb ) These SPA [Software Publisher's Association] guys are a pain. They won't leave you alone when you've been targeted for a survey. It's so annoying that I often tell them pure crap, just to mess-up the survey. - recent and repeat-SPA surveyee.
From: drew <arel@wt.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NEXT Turbo Color STATION Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:59:39 -0500 Organization: World Trade Network, Inc. Message-ID: <34038A0B.56BA@wt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Need to know some hardware details on NEXT Turbo Color STATION model N1200 PN 3005 and what kind of RAM and where to buy cables for the DSP PORT and Thanks alot for the help......... arel@wt.net
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: fsck/reasb help on ?damaged? SyQuest cart Date: 27 Aug 1997 06:22:46 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5u0h3m$2df$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was trying to copy some files of a SyQuest drive and WM reported "bad number" Regular 'mv' reported a generic 'I/O' error. So I umounted the drive and ran 'fsck /dev/rsd2a' ** /dev/rsd2a ** Last Mounted on /Backups ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes CANNOT READ: BLK 118432 CONTINUE? y THE FOLLOWING SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 118435, 118436, CANNOT READ: BLK 120840 CONTINUE? y THE FOLLOWING SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 120843, 120844, ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups 431 files, 27486 used, 98159 free (391 frags, 12221 blocks, 0.3% fragmentation) File system may not be clean! Run fsck again to clean. I think I boo-boo-ed by running: /usr/etc/reasb /dev/rsd2a 118432 ...Reassigning block 118432(d) ...Block 118432(d) reassigned because fsck tripped over the same block again. I'm guessing that in good ol' UNIX fashion the fsck and reasb commands take different numbers (I think 'man reasb' man say this). So how do I find the numbers for reasb? Can I do anything else with 'fsck' to help it read those BLKs? Some other command? help! Thanks TjL ps -- yes the From address is valid. -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 27 Aug 97 06:54:05 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> Originator: doenges@batian.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) writes: >Careful. You're comparing Apples and oranges. The average PC is 60-66 MHz >with 64 bit memory bus. The average Mac being sold today is 50 MHz with >interleaved memory bus. I don't know which is faster, but it's certainly >not as big a difference as it appears. Just do the math. A normal PC motherboard supports a 64 Bit, 66MHz Bus with a 5-2-2-2 burst using EDO rams. Good boards support SDRAM with a 5-1-1-1 burst (the Intel VX chipset does, for example). The Tanzania II boards (used in the 6500, I believe), do 5-2-2-2 bursts at 50MHz on a 64 Bit Bus. In this case, even cheap x86-motherboards have better memory performance than low to medium end PPC motherboards. The SDRAM equipped boards will definitely be faster than the interleaved Apple boards, even if these boards are able to do 5-1-1-1 burst because 66MHz is faster than 50MHz. In fact, there are more and more PC motherboards coming out that can run at 75-83Mhz, however only the Cyrix M2 currently supports bus speeds of 75MHz. Conclusion: no matter how you try to twist it, Apple's motherboards are woefully behind in technology compared to the x86 motherboards, which keeps the PPCs from reaching their true potential. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
From: graeme@cam-ani.co.uk.NOSPAM (Graeme Barnes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: fsck/reasb help on ?damaged? SyQuest cart Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:42:43 GMT Organization: Cambridge Animation Systems Ltd Sender: news@cam-ani.co.uk Message-ID: <EFKGB8.71s@cam-ani.co.uk> References: <5u0h3m$2df$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) wrote: > ... >because fsck tripped over the same block again. I'm guessing that in good >ol' UNIX fashion the fsck and reasb commands take different numbers (I think >'man reasb' man say this). So how do I find the numbers for reasb? > >Can I do anything else with 'fsck' to help it read those BLKs? Some other >command? > >help! Sectors aren't the same as blocks and on hard disks are usually quite a different size. Blocks are hardware level so can be reasb'd. Sectors are filesystem level and can't. fsck usually says CANNOT READ: BLK xxxxxx then THE FOLLOWING SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: yyyyy (which contains block x). So you can reasb xxxxxx. On a zip disk, the blocks and sectors almost match in number as the sector and block size are usually 512 bytes. Both fsck and reasb appear to use decimal. As the man pages says, the SCSI driver reports bad blocks in hex. Cheers, Graeme
From: Marco van Dongen <MAA.vanDongen@student.unimaas.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech Subject: This message is a non-commercial request for help on my research Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:25:30 +0200 Organization: Rijksuniversiteit Limburg Distribution: inet Message-ID: <34041CBA.1372@student.unimaas.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message is a non-commercial request for help on my research ================================================================ My name is Marco van Dongen and i am accounting student at the University of Maastricht (UM) in the Netherlands. To graduate i have to write a thesis. My thesis deals with the Internet and therefore i use this medium to address as many people as possible. I am going to write my thesis about the commercial use of the Internet. My focus will be on planning and implementing activities. What problems do you come across. What are the positive and what are the negative aspects. The paper will NOT be a technical paper. The paper will deal with the question how to deal/manage a growing load of information. I am looking for people to give me suggestions for literature, articles. People that work for companies and have first hand experiences. Research already been done by people. Companies that are willing to participate in a little research by questionaire send on email. Or anything that could possibly be of any help to me. Please respond to me on email. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + MAA.vanDongen@Student.unimaas.nl + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks Marco van Dongen
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tech Subject: cmsg cancel <34041CBA.1372@student.unimaas.nl> Control: cancel <34041CBA.1372@student.unimaas.nl> Date: 27 Aug 1997 12:47:36 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.34041CBA.1372@student.unimaas.nl> Sender: Marco van Dongen <MAA.vanDongen@student.unimaas.nl> Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: mikelea@nospam.digex.net (Hippykill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Color Slap - NeXT MegaPixel 21" - 1GB price Date: 27 Aug 1997 13:12:04 GMT Organization: DIGEX, Inc. Message-ID: <5u1934$325$2@news2.digex.net> References: <34033FF4.95A7094D@nyherji.is> Bjarni Thor Juliusson <bjarnij@nyherji.is> wrote: >Hi > >Can any one tell me how much you are getting for an old 25Mhz 040 Slap >with 21" Color. check out www.deepspacetech.com. I got my color slab with a scratched 21" monitor--they have great prices and are nice folks. -- *mikelea@access.digex.net* "imperious, angry, furious, extreme in all things, with a disturbance in the moral imagination unlike any the world has ever known-there you have me in a nutshell: and one more thing, kill me or take me as I am, because I will not change." -de Sade
From: "Randall W. Wink" <rwwink@spam.evansville.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: WTB: Dead IBM, Compact or TI laptop Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:59:09 -0700 Organization: World Connection Services Message-ID: <340440BD.2589@spam.evansville.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm willing to buy your dead IBM, Compact or TI laptop. Send e'mail with description of the unit, the problem, any additional material and the price. If I'm interested, I'll contact you. R. Wink
From: Johnny Waters <waters@inext.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NEXT Turbo Color STATION Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:47:18 -0400 Organization: VoiceNet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Message-ID: <34042FE6.291@inext.net> References: <34038A0B.56BA@wt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit drew wrote: > > Need to know some hardware details on NEXT Turbo Color STATION > model N1200 PN 3005 and what kind of RAM and where to buy cables for the > DSP PORT and Thanks alot for the help......... > > arel@wt.net It takes 72 pin simms and what do you think your going to do with the DSP port? read the faq johnny
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: lars@gsblas.uchicago.edu (Lars A. Stole) Subject: Re: Driver for the 6MP printer Message-ID: <EFKtvo.48v@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services References: <01bca655$8057cd00$040e03c3@worldnet.sct.fr> <3403600A.24C84D0@aldebaran.ci.ulsa.mx> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:35:48 GMT In article <3403600A.24C84D0@aldebaran.ci.ulsa.mx>, you wrote: >Laurent wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> How can I use my new Hewlett Packard 6MP (Postscript) printer ? >> I did'nt see the correct driver in the list of device drivers. >> >> May I use the 4MP driver ? >> I just installed a HP 6MP. I'm not sure why the ppd file is not on the HP web site, but you can install the printer software on any Windows machine and grab the ppd file from the windows/systems subdirectory. It works fine.
From: "Robert A. Decker" <comrade@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: adding scsi to an eide system. Can I move my swapspace? Date: 27 Aug 97 11:23:22 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Message-ID: <B029BEB6-6FF2@141.214.128.36> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.hardware I'm adding scsi to an OpenStep 4.2 on Mach system. I understand that if I put my boot system on the scsi drive I can no longer see my eide devices. Is it possible to continue using my eide drive as my boot system, but have my swap space and a few essential applications (Project Builder and WebObjects (and all the webobjects projects)) on the scsi drive? Also, if anyone is looking for a great vendor to buy NeXT compatible computers from take a look at Workstation 2000. They've given us excellent service. thanks, rob -- <mailto: "Robert A. Decker" comrade@umich.edu> Listen to my Realaudio playlist:<http://hmrl.cancer.med.umich.edu/Rob/index.ssi> Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #10: "Wow. I'm a genius too. I think. BEEP." -Chris Elliott
From: samu@*remove_this_to_e-mail_me*usa.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 27 Aug 1997 18:24:33 +0300 Organization: ex Message-ID: <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) writes: >Careful. You're comparing Apples and oranges. The average PC is 60-66 MHz >with 64 bit memory bus. The average Mac being sold today is 50 MHz with In article <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>, Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote: Conclusion: no matter how you try to twist it, Apple's motherboards are woefully behind in technology compared to the x86 motherboards, which keeps the PPCs from reaching their true potential. Yep. And the only thing keeping up the faith for me was the CHRP announcements from Moto & IBM mapping out the future memory buses, PCI buses, etc. (road map to 66 & 100 Mhz bus, 66 Mhz 64-bit PCI, SDRAM, SDRAM II, SyncLink, Rambus, etc.). Now that CHRP is toast for the time being Apple has no profound road map, nothing to show to people to woo them over. What they have is an aging platform (which I love, btw) and aging hw designs with serious quality problems (compared to Dell for example). Best regards, Samu Mielonen PS Late this year/early next, PCs are going 100 Mhz bus with 66 Mhz PCI with SDRAM II, AGP (which in it's second incarnation will be really useful). Where are similar innovations on the Apple PPC hw camp? Apple should just get their things sorted out in the hw business or get out of it altoghether. They can't keep it up and running by protectionism alone (e.g. killing the cloners). -- Copyright 1996 Samu Mielonen. All rights reserved. <samu at usa dot net> Unsolicited advertising sent to my e-mail addresses is unauthorized use of my computer equipment as well as a form of mail harassment. A charge of $1000 will be applied to senders of such messages. News headers have been modified.
From: bestor@cs.wisc.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Color Slap - NeXT MegaPixel 21" - 1GB price Date: 27 Aug 1997 15:53:48 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Message-ID: <5u1iic$1onm$2@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <34033FF4.95A7094D@nyherji.is> Bjarni Thor Juliusson <bjarnij@nyherji.is> wrote: >Hi > >Can any one tell me how much you are getting for an old 25Mhz 040 Slap >with 21" Color. Depends on whether its a forehand or a backhand slap? :-) - G
From: sroller@txpsmc.seanet.com (Stephen V. Roller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Modems for black hardware Date: 27 Aug 1997 17:25:21 GMT Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Message-ID: <5u1nu1$sm4@q.seanet.com> References: <ipely-2408972250330001@balt-rfnp-089.charm.net> <5tqvkm$9cg$3@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> FYI > Only some modems will work with NXFax (ZyXel and some Supras). At work we have Practical Peripherals working with NXFax. Even cheap Rockwell Chipsets work with NXFax - I use a cheap Cardinal 33.6Kbs modem (model MVP288XF) Steve ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen V. Roller <sroller@roller.seanet.com> Stop by and visit at: Puget Sound NeXT Users Group http://www.seattle.net/~nextpsug/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NEXT Turbo Color STATION Date: 27 Aug 1997 19:01:38 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <5u1tii$8ne@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <34042FE6.291@inext.net> In article <34042FE6.291@inext.net> Johnny Waters <waters@inext.net> writes: drew wrote: > > Need to know some hardware details on NEXT Turbo Color STATION > model N1200 PN 3005 and what kind of RAM and where to buy cables for the > DSP PORT and Thanks alot for the help......... DSP port to what? You will probably have to have one custom built or make one yourself, unless you just need a D-15 to D-15 straight-through cable. See on NS3.x: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/GeneralRef/ApE_DSPDetails/DSPDetails.rtfd D-15 DSP ---------------- 1 SCK 2 SRD 3 STD 4 SCLK 5 RXD 6 TXD 7 +12V, 500mA 8 -12V, 100mA 9 GND 10 GND 11 GND 12 SC2 13 SC1 14 SC0 15 GND ------------ Signals are directly out of the DSP56001 processor. If you need to know what these signals mean, look at: http://www.mot.com/SPS/DSP/documentation/DSP56000.html
From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: puzzle: hard disk in Read-Only mode ? Date: 25 Aug 1997 07:52:32 -0400 Organization: Quick and Associates Message-ID: <5trrm0$bg7@papoose.quick.com> References: <Pine.GSO.3.95a.970820114448.24788D-100000@thwgs2> In article <Pine.GSO.3.95a.970820114448.24788D-100000@thwgs2>, Boris Pioline <bpioline@mail.cern.ch> wrote: > >Hello, > >We have a problem with a NextStation whose hard disk got full. >It looks like the disk has switched to Read-only mode, since >we can't remove any file whatsoever (we rebooted the machine >with bsd -bs, then su - root). It looks something like : > ># rm /tmp/file >Override 666 permission ? Yes >/tmp/file not removed. > >and in some other occasions we got the message: >'Device is read-only' > >Does anybody have the answer to this puzzle ? First boot to single user mode using the -s flag in the rom monitor. If the OS does not encounter problems until later in the rc sequence the drive will be mounted normally at this time and you can remove a number of files to free up space. If the drive is still mounted read only by the time you get a shell prompt, then remount the drive with the following command: mount -o remount / Now remove some files. In another message you mentioned a pageout error, which makes sense. You do not have enough space to finish initializing your swapfile and swapfile.front files, so the system is not able to page out to disk. In single user mode you will be working on the system before mach_swapon is called so you will not encounter this error. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Quick & Associates NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Apple, we know the song's not written yet, ) | but could you at least hum a few more bars?
From: "Laurent" <solfra@worldnet.fr> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,pgh.next-users,tw.bbs.comp.os.nextstep Subject: How to change a video driver from the boot II ? (suite) Date: 27 Aug 1997 19:47:32 GMT Message-ID: <01bcb321$d33b41e0$080e03c3@worldnet.sct.fr> Hello, I'm using Openstep for Mach 4.1 on Intel platform (P200) I have a Diamond 3D 3000 video card. The problem : I changed the video driver : I'd try to use the 3D 2000 driver, but when the computer is booting the driver don't work, I see nothing on the screen. I would change another time my driver (and use the 3D 3000 driver) but I can't use the configuration panel. I have only access on the promt ("boot : "). 1) I have use the boot with the Default option (boot : config=Default) but it the same result.) 2) like in NEXTSTEP 3.3, I try : boot -default then I try : boot : "Active Drivers"="PS2Mouse BusMouse SerialMouse ParallelPort VGA" and (boot:=-s) But anything is the good option : the screen still black or the system reboot Did another boot option wich can run the computer with another driver ? Please, give me the good answer and become a god for me... Laurent BARNILS solfra@worldnet.fr
From: monty <kaurd@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help: Setting up a NextStation Color Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:47:07 -0400 Organization: Hard Knox Message-ID: <3404843A.CD386816@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just got my hands on an old NextStation. I'm trying to set it up on a my university LAN, but to no avail. At boot up it tells me that there's an IP address conflict and gives me IP address way out of the university subnet. When i boot it up without networking enabled and then try to connect to LAN it's asking me the addresses of router and a NextServer. I could look up an address of router for my building, but to my knowledge there are no more Next machines in my dorm Is there any way that I can get this thing on the network? We have a DHCP server set up, and i'd like to use that for getting IP address if possible. please reply via e-mail to vaysburd@seas.upenn.edu Thanks, Max
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:51:37 -0600 From: Martin Aube <martino@interlinx.qc.ca> Subject: modem Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Message-ID: <872710740.30371@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service I want to get a 28800 bps modem for my NeXTStation turbo color. What models fit to that computer? -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:42:52 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2708971342520001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> Organization: Graver Chemical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi>, samu@*remove_this_to_e-mail_me*usa.net wrote: > PS Late this year/early next, PCs are going 100 Mhz bus with 66 Mhz PCI with > SDRAM II, AGP (which in it's second incarnation will be really useful). > Where are similar innovations on the Apple PPC hw camp? Ummm, you mean like 100 MHz bus, 66 MHz PCI, SDRAM, and AGP? All of these are coming to the Mac. Along with Firewire, DVD, and all the other standards which are now coming out as crossplatform technologies. -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: Amando Blasco <ablasco@gcomm.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: modem Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:15:39 +0200 Organization: SERVICOM Message-ID: <3404A70C.3001@gcomm.com> References: <872710740.30371@dejanews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Aube wrote: > > I want to get a 28800 bps modem for my NeXTStation turbo color. What > models fit to that computer? > I currently use a Supra Modem 33.6 that is very good. Zyxel is also a good choice. Don't forget to make an special cable to connect the station with the modem. Check you sysadmin manual about this point. Amando
From: martin@beauty.rwth-aachen.de (Martin Klocke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: adding scsi to an eide system. Can I move my swapspace? Date: 27 Aug 1997 21:43:49 GMT Organization: Aachen University of Technology / Rechnerbetrieb Informatik Message-ID: <5u272l$hp7$1@news.rwth-aachen.de> References: <B029BEB6-6FF2@141.214.128.36> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: comrade@umich.edu In <B029BEB6-6FF2@141.214.128.36> "Robert A. Decker" wrote: snip > Is it possible to continue using my eide drive as my boot system, but have > my swap space and a few essential applications (Project Builder and > WebObjects (and all the webobjects projects)) on the scsi drive? > thanks, > > rob Hi ROb, I might not be aware of some Intel Ide/scsi problems, as I have a black machine running for me, and also on NS3.3, not OS4.2. So my answer might be slightly out of line... BUT, the location of the swapfile in NS is handled (as well as its size etc.) in the file called /etc/swaptab In that ascii file you can determine exactly the position (e.g. other harddisc) of the swapfile Mine looks something like that: /private/vm/swapfile lowat=188743680,hiwat=188743680,prefer # 180 Meg lowat 180 hiwat # First the location in the filesystem (must be mounted => fstab), then TAB and the min size, and maxsize in MB*1048576. This is just a hint, more is to be found under man or systemadmin bookshelves or nextanswers etc... or mail me... Bye Martin
From: tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl (Tom Hageman -- remove .dev.null to reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ColorStation Turbo and Memory Date: 27 Aug 1997 23:44:50 GMT Organization: Warty Wolfs Sender: news@basil.icce.rug.nl (NEWS pusher) Message-ID: <EEMEt5.8yL@basil.icce.rug.nl> References: <33E1CE8E.5635FAB4@bigfoot.com> <EEAH4E.H2@nidat.sub.org> <owolf-ya02408000R0708970112150001@news.pdnt.com> owolf@NOSPAMpdnt.com (Scott Johnson) wrote: > I've tried installing two 32 Meg SIMMs from my Mac including two 4 Meg > SIMMs in the other bank and my Color Turbo wouldn't boot. In fact the > display was all screwed up (very hard to describe), but the machine purrs > along just fine with two 4 Meg SIMMs from another Mac. Will Color Turbos > only take certain types of 16 meg SIMMs? Did you try it with the 32MB simms only (ie. leave out the 4MB SIMMs)? -- these should then go into the ``primary'' slots, nearest to the power supply. (If your 4MB SIMMs are 100ns and your 32MB are 70ns or faster, this setup will even be faster than leaving the old memory in, since the memory subsystem can now run clocked to 70ns -- with the caveat noted below for <70ns memory.) Sometimes switching the position of the simms may also help. (Caveat: I'm mostly a software guy:-) >From the NEXTSTEP FAQ (I'm pretty sure you can find a pointer to it at http://www.peanuts.org/index-e.html): 5.24 What type of memory may be installed in a NeXT? ... NeXTcube Turbo (68040-33MHz), NeXTstation Turbo (68040-33MHz), NeXTstation Color Turbo (68040-33MHz), NeXTstations (68040-25MHz) serial numbers above ABB 002 6300: Number SIMM slots: 4 SIMM group size: 2 SIMM type: 72-pin SIMM access rating: 70/100 ns SIMM capacity: 1, 4 ,8, 16, 32 MB (256Kx32/256Kx36, 1Mx32/1Mx36) Maximum RAM: 128 MB For maximum performance use 70 ns SIMMs: SIMMs rated at 80 or 100 ns will be detected upon powerup and the memory system clock slowed to 100 ns. Faster RAM than 70 ns won't give you a speed increase anymore. In fact it could slow things down again, because some hardware drives 60 ns RAM as 100 ns RAM. Hope this helps, Tom. [posted & mailed] -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.dev.null.nl> (work) __/__/__/ <<SPAMBLOCK: remove .dev.null to reply.>> __/ _/_/ Confused? You won't be after the NeXT episode.
From: tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl (Tom Hageman -- remove .dev.null to reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT printer questions Date: 27 Aug 1997 23:45:01 GMT Organization: Warty Wolfs Sender: news@basil.icce.rug.nl (NEWS pusher) Message-ID: <EEx8u4.62x@basil.icce.rug.nl> References: <5sv2tl$h1e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Babak Ashrafi wrote: > First, I want it to last as long as possible. Should I leave it on, or > nnpower it off when not in use? Ordinarily I would think that leaving it > on would be better, but I don't know what the issues are for the NeXT > Laser. Leaving it on keeps the temperature inside the printer high, and I can imagine this would shorten the lifetime of the rubber rollers. Besides the adverse effect on your power company's bill ;-) -- the laser printer draws relatively a lot of power even in standby mode (110W at 115V according to the 2.0 User's Reference.) > Second, I seem to remember that there is an improved driver available for > NeXT Lasers, but I cannot find it. Am I mistaken or is there another > driver I should be using? JetPilot comes with a free NextLaser printer driver license. You should be able to find it at the usual NeXT ftp archives, and probably also at http://www.ipc.de/. -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.dev.null.nl> (work) __/__/__/ <<SPAMBLOCK: remove .dev.null to reply>> __/ _/_/ Confused? You won't be after the NeXT episode.
From: tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl (Tom Hageman -- remove .dev.null to reply) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Q: can I attach a black printer to non-black hardware? Date: 27 Aug 1997 23:45:03 GMT Organization: Warty Wolfs Sender: news@basil.icce.rug.nl (NEWS pusher) Message-ID: <EEx90u.65J@basil.icce.rug.nl> References: <5stkce$153$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> dyaeb@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (David Aston) wrote: > Specifically, I'd like to drive an old NeXT 400dpi printer from a Sparc 5 > running OpenStep 4.1. Does anyone know if this is possible? [An alternative > solution driving it from any other non-black NeXTStep/OpenStep machine would > also be of interest.] Only indirectly (via a Black box). --Tom.
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From: marksb@maine.rr.com (Mark S. Boykin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:33:23 GMT Organization: Road Runner - Portland, ME Message-ID: <3404dbf8.18990154@news-server> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <see-below-2008972338330001@ip160.mountain-view2.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970841350001@news.dol.net> <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> <see-below-2308970013390001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:13:39 -0700, see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) wrote: >In article <5tkitk$kt1$1@nntp2.ba.best.com>, kcd@babylon5.jumpgate.com >(Kenneth C. Dyke) wrote: > > >> IMNSFHO, even if the cloners had been expanding the Mac market, Apple >> would _still_ be getting smacked around > >Exactly. Imagine some company making Macs which are actually so superior >to PCs in price vs. performance, features, etc. that PC users actually pay >attention and start buying them in massive numbers, something that Apple's >machines haven't been good enough to accomplish. Now why wouldn't existing >Mac users also find them far superior to what Apple offers? Either way, >Apple loses sales. > >-- >Matthew Vaughan > Yes! I want to see a Mac clone price/performance score that will make me want to switch. My wife and I own 3 PCs and a PowerBase. One PC came from a custom shop, the other two I assembled. We chose the PowerBase for its price/performance score when we needed to support the MacOS in our home office. My wife does multimedia development and I am working toward certification in order to do computer repair. The PowerBase was still more expensive than a comparable PC. Next year we will be upgrading at least one of our PCs and are considering the Motorola CHRP running Rhapsody. But it depends on the price/performance ratio. A lot of people claim the Mac is now way ahead. But the relentless competition on PC side is driving rapid technical development in all hardware areas. Check out the current PC Magazine for the 300MHz PII article, then look at how cheap the Micron Powerdigm XSU Editor's Choice is even with 19" monitor and Diamond Fire 1000 graphics card-- $5400. What is so unique about this system is that it has a 66MHz PCI bus. There must be a lot of people like me and my wife. We prefer PCs at this point but we are anything but brand loyal. Apple needs to get out of the hardware business or create an independent division. We need the Mac to survive to provide competition to both Intel and Microsoft. Both are trying to strangle competition. My wife and I try to do our part. The two PCs I assembled use Cyrix and AMD processors and the only MS software we use is Windows 95. Mark S. Boykin
From: see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:37:48 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Distribution: world Message-ID: <see-below-2708971937490001@ip109.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> In article <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>, doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de wrote: > joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) writes: > > >Careful. You're comparing Apples and oranges. The average PC is 60-66 MHz > >with 64 bit memory bus. The average Mac being sold today is 50 MHz with > >interleaved memory bus. I don't know which is faster, but it's certainly > >not as big a difference as it appears. > > Just do the math. A normal PC motherboard supports a 64 Bit, 66MHz Bus > with a 5-2-2-2 burst using EDO rams. Good boards support SDRAM with a > 5-1-1-1 burst (the Intel VX chipset does, for example). The Tanzania II > boards (used in the 6500, I believe), do 5-2-2-2 bursts at 50MHz on a 64 > Bit Bus. In this case, even cheap x86-motherboards have better memory > performance than low to medium end PPC motherboards. The SDRAM equipped > boards will definitely be faster than the interleaved Apple boards, even > if these boards are able to do 5-1-1-1 burst because 66MHz is faster than > 50MHz. In fact, there are more and more PC motherboards coming out that > can run at 75-83Mhz, however only the Cyrix M2 currently supports bus > speeds of 75MHz. > > Conclusion: no matter how you try to twist it, Apple's motherboards are > woefully behind in technology compared to the x86 motherboards, which > keeps the PPCs from reaching their true potential. But isn't the 64-bit bus only on PowerMacs using 168-pin DIMMS *without* interleaving? (Or older PowerMacs with interleaving.) I thought that interleaving combined with 168-pin DIMMs would give you a 128-bit bus. (ie, aren't PCs still using 72-pin SIMMs?) I could be totally wrong about this, though, and I won't argue that I'd like to have all of the above - faster bus, faster RAM chips, as well as interleaving/wider bus. -- Matthew Vaughan matthewv at mindspring dot com (damn spammers...) --------- This is your mind. This is duality. This is your mind on duality...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NLP Paper Exit Problem Message-ID: <3404E960.5669@running-start.com> From: Ralph Zazula <zazula@running-start.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:58:40 -0700 Organization: Running Start, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi - We have a NeXT Laser Printer that is having trouble ejecting pages after printing (you have to stand there and pull the pages out to prevent a jam). I think this is a common problem but don't recall the fix. Is this in a FAQ or something? Thanks, Ralph -- Ralph Zazula Running Start, Inc. zazula@running-start.com 520/760-4890 (4891 FAX) http://www.running-start.com
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 28 Aug 97 06:23:51 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <doenges.872749431@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2708971342520001@news.dol.net> Originator: doenges@batian.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) writes: >Ummm, you mean like 100 MHz bus, 66 MHz PCI, SDRAM, and AGP? All of these >are coming to the Mac. Along with Firewire, DVD, and all the other >standards which are now coming out as crossplatform technologies. When ? These days I believe nothing Apple says unless I can go to an Apple dealer and actually buy it. And I don't remeber Apple announcing 100 MHz busses or AGP, so what do you know we don't ? Even if these things will be availible in a timely fashion (at Apple's current pace, pretty unlikely !), at what price ? I can get a Dell Pentium II (233Mhz) with 32MB ram, 4GB HD, 12xCD-ROM and a 17" monitor for about the same price I can get a PowerMac 6500/250 (with 32MB ram, 3GB HD, 12xCD-Ram) without a monitor. And the Dell has better graphics (a 4MB Matrox Millenium II) and includes Office 97 (which you could consider a minus 8^). I think Dell has the better deal here. Apple hardware is overpriced and underpowered, period. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 28 Aug 97 06:46:29 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <doenges.872750789@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <01bcada3$8bcd8df0$492168cf@test1> <5tg9pc$7k3$1@halcyon.com> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2108970844440001@news.dol.net> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <see-below-2708971937490001@ip109.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> Originator: doenges@batian.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de see-below@not-my-address.com (Matthew Vaughan) writes: >But isn't the 64-bit bus only on PowerMacs using 168-pin DIMMS *without* >interleaving? (Or older PowerMacs with interleaving.) I thought that >interleaving combined with 168-pin DIMMs would give you a 128-bit bus. >(ie, aren't PCs still using 72-pin SIMMs?) I could be totally wrong about >this, though, and I won't argue that I'd like to have all of the above - >faster bus, faster RAM chips, as well as interleaving/wider bus. What good is a 128 bit bus when the 603e and 604e only have 64 bit busses ? I think the 128 bit bus is used for the interleaving part to improve burst performance - i.e. you read 128 bits from RAM, which could take 2 cycles at 50 MHz, and feed them to the 64 bit bus in two tranfers. That way, a 5-2-2-2 128 bit bus could be used as an 5-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 64 bit bus. (Note that this is pure guesswork, as Apple doesn't disclose technical information of this nature 8^( -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: When it rains it pours. Date: 28 Aug 1997 06:05:49 GMT Organization: HTI Message-ID: <5u34ft$t7@fridge-nf0.shore.net> References: <5tk6g9$1l4@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <5tku0h$r4o@lendl.cc.emory.edu> In-Reply-To: <5tku0h$r4o@lendl.cc.emory.edu> You may also want to check out the new Dell Dimension D-series. 300 MHz Intel Pentium II 64 MB SDRAM (much faster than EDO) Intel LX PCI chipset * AGP - accelerated graphics port! * Advanced power management * SDRAM (DIMMS) 8 MB Matrox Millenium II Creative Labs AWE64 sound card Adaptec 2940UW Ultra Wide SCSI controller Seagate Barracuda 4.3GB ultra wide SCSI hard drive 20" Trinitron monitor MS Office 97 Altec Lansing ACS490 speakers US Robotics x2 33/56k modem 12/24X SCSI CD-ROM $4639 Add $350 for Iomega Jaz drive... http://www.dell.com WOW! -- Robert La Ferla Registered OPENSTEP/Rhapsody Consultant HTI Boston, MA - Washington, DC + 1 (617) 252-0088
From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Date: 28 Aug 1997 05:49:48 GMT Organization: HTI Message-ID: <5u33hs$sv7@fridge-nf0.shore.net> References: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> <5tb4m1$m3j@fridge-nf0.shore.net> <33FA7DEB.237C@vnet.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <33FA7DEB.237C@vnet.ibm.com> On 08/19/97, Henry Koplien wrote: >Hmm. If you use a Trinitron it is no problem in doing 1600x1200 with >a 17" monitor. And 1800x1440 with 20" is better. I can't see any >problem. I am using a 20" Sony Trinitron and think that 1600x1200 on it is too small. 17" is unusable at that resolution. It has nothing to do with Trinitron or non-Trinitron. It has to do with screen size and resolution. Most systems including OPENSTEP and Windows use pixels as the base unit for sizing on-screen components. If you go to a higher resolution, the component gets smaller as there are now more pixels per inch. However, if in the future, this would change so that we used inches or mm for the base unit, the components would stay the same size but be rendered in a higher resolution. This would be a boon for text since characters would look smoother and graphics since curves would be smoother too. Of course, if it were anti-aliased too, it would be perfect! -- Robert La Ferla Registered OPENSTEP/Rhapsody Consultant HTI Boston, MA - Washington, DC + 1 (617) 252-0088
From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Cyrix CPU prices are at a new low. Check out the new prices. Date: 28 Aug 1997 05:51:24 GMT Organization: HTI Message-ID: <5u33ks$t1e@fridge-nf0.shore.net> References: <5tdnee$ee7$1@newman.pcisys.net> In-Reply-To: <5tdnee$ee7$1@newman.pcisys.net> Ummm... High failure rates forced Cyrix to recall some 10,000 6x86MX chips http://www8.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0825/27ecyr.html -- Robert La Ferla Registered OPENSTEP/Rhapsody Consultant HTI Boston, MA - Washington, DC + 1 (617) 252-0088
From: "Brent Clothier" <bclothie@uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 28 Aug 1997 04:02:34 GMT Organization: Shouting Ground Technologies, Inc. Message-ID: <01bcb36f$200b8960$d7bafdcc@Patriots.NewEngland> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2708971342520001@news.dol.net> > > PS Late this year/early next, PCs are going 100 Mhz bus with 66 Mhz PCI with > > SDRAM II, AGP (which in it's second incarnation will be really useful). > > Where are similar innovations on the Apple PPC hw camp? > > Ummm, you mean like 100 MHz bus, 66 MHz PCI, SDRAM, and AGP? All of these > are coming to the Mac. Along with Firewire, DVD, and all the other > standards which are now coming out as crossplatform technologies. Sure, with a 3-4 month development delay. Since it always takes Intel two interations to get things right (Pentium 60, 66 MHz --> Pentium 75, 90, 100 MHz, Triton I chipset --> Triton II chipset, Pentium Pro 150, 180 MHz --> Pentium 200 MHz, Orion chipset --> Natoma chipset, etc.), the Apple PPC hardware camp will come out with its first iteration of these things when Intel releases its second (Firewire and DVD not included). The PC camp will lead in this area like it did with the PCI bus. Apple's squabbling with the clone makers isn't making the situation look better. Too bad Intel can't get things right with their CPUs, though. They have always been embarassed by the PPC group's better FPU performance. The new Arthur series PPC is quite impressive, chewing the binaries more efficiently than a Pentium II. I for one am not convinced of the need for MMX and would prefer enhanced FPU unit(s). Deschutes (the next in the Pentium II series), however, will be the pivotal chip in Intel's flagship product. Watch its benchmarks closely.
From: boehrsbu@ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Stefan Böhringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Can't install OPENSTEP 4.2 on 4.3GB IBM DCAS-34330 Date: 28 Aug 1997 12:19:29 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <5u3qch$7ve$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> References: <armin-ya023180002608970026390001@news.messe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In <armin-ya023180002608970026390001@news.messe.de> Armin Retzko wrote: > I can't install OPENSTEP 4.2 on 4.3GB IBM DCAS-34330, because my NeXTcube > identifies this HD as one having a capacity of 38 MB (Megabyte!!!). I've seen this too, but only under NeXTSTEP. > [...] The first installation process works fine after selecting HD 2. > But after the reboot the installer "Install NEXTSTEP" (additional software) > can't install anything, because it says that the HD has only 38 MB! > > Please Help! Thanx in advantage. I've never installed NEXTSTEP on the HD. Instead I've added it as a second drive. You may partion it with fdisk creating a NS partition of proper size and others, just as you like. Fdisk seems to handle the disk size properly. Then you're ready to format the NS partition (e.g. with the disk command). Thereafter the disk is accessed flawlessly under NS - though displayed incorrectly in the boot process. > PS: > My configuration is: NeXTcube 25 Mhz, NeXTSTEP 3.0, internal MAXTOR 360 MB, > external IBM DCAS-34330 4.3 GB, external PLI 2.88MB SCSI-floppy I would recommend installing first on another drive and afterwards migrating to the 4.3GB drive by using a ditto-procedure or something similar (search in Deja-News for:"nextstep duplicating disk"). -- Best wishes, <mailto:Stefan.Boehringer@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> NeXT/Mime Stefan <http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/stefan.boehringer>
From: Cosmo Roadkill <cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cmsg cancel <5tlg30$4rh$887@juliana.sprynet.com> Control: cancel <5tlg30$4rh$887@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: 28 Aug 1997 14:24:58 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: <cancel.5tlg30$4rh$887@juliana.sprynet.com> Sender: apptalk@sprynet.com Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon!
From: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The new Matrox driver is available on NeXTanswers Date: 28 Aug 1997 16:03:42 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.97Aug28112142@howard.doubleu.com> References: <5t045f$p50$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com> In-reply-to: scott@doubleu.com's message of 15 Aug 97 09:00:34 In article <SCOTT.97Aug15090034@slave.doubleu.com>, scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) writes: The real question, methinks, is whether a Millenium-II is faster than the Millenium with these drivers, and how much faster. Given the graphics performance jolt I took when upgrading from Pentium to PentiumPro with a Millenium, I'm inclined to believe that it's unlikely to be much faster. Anybody? Anybody? I really am interested in this, since I already have a Millenium, and am in need of a second video card. But I'm not going to pay an eighty dollar premium unless the Millenium II gets a better NXBench than the Millenium on the same hardware... Thanks, -- scott hess <scott@doubleu.com> (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ <Favorite unused computer book title: The Demystified Idiots Guide to the Zen of Dummies in a Nutshell in Seven Days, Unleashed>
From: David Young <daver@jacobs.Geeks.ORG> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ND & callout_dispatch() ? Date: 28 Aug 1997 17:49:58 GMT Organization: Geeks Organizations Message-ID: <5u4do6$kl$1@darla.visi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Aug 1997 12:49:58 CDT I recently disassembled my turbo cube for shipping cross-country. Before the move, everything was working fine under OS4.2PR2. Now, after 3,000 miles and re-assembly, I get the following error after startup (the ND configuration is the last thing to happen, ie) (from memory) NeXTdimension server loaded 32MB DRAM, i860 step C.2 NTSC video configured callout_dispatch(xxxxxx,nnnnnn,yyyyyy) ... The "callout_dispatch" line is repeated about 10 or 12 times, and then the machine reboots. I never see the "NeXTdimension server running" message. Is this a hardware problem, a software problem, or what? What do I need to do to fix it? -- :: d a v i d y o u n g ::::: smtp dwy@ace.net http www.ace.net :: :: PGP fingerprint :: 89F5 E75D 4749 3FF4 :: ED92 1B6D 9871 9B93 ::
From: "Richard Kaapke" <bearpaws@aci.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NLP Paper Exit Problem Date: 28 Aug 1997 18:24:52 GMT Message-ID: <5u4fpk$fl4$0@208.136.114.71> References: <3404E960.5669@running-start.com> >We have a NeXT Laser Printer that is having trouble ejecting pages after >printing (you have to stand there and pull the pages out to prevent a >jam). I think this is a common problem but don't recall the fix. Is >this in a FAQ or something? A gear inside the printer needs replacing. See also the FAQ: http://peanuts.leo.org/FAQ/NeXTFAQ.toc.html
From: phillips@nospam.phoenix.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Black hardware speedup-HOW "BOUT THIS? Date: 28 Aug 1997 14:31:30 GMT Organization: Charter Communications International, Inc. Message-ID: <5u4242$hel$1@uhura1.phoenix.net> In <5ticdc$j6a$2@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Timothy J. Luoma wrote: >> Clock Chipping *does* work. It does. I've done it. My pals (who still >> have Macs) did it 3 years ago and their Macs still run fine. > It doesn't work on the NeXT, which has a tightly inter-connected > system, I would assume due to its real multitasking versus the > Macs. > TjL It _might_ work on the 68k NeXT, if we can figure out how the timing is set for the CPU. A major difference between the Macs and the similar 68k NeXT is that the Mac uses (depending on the model) several oscillators, each of which times a different component. The NeXT uses a single 100 MHz crystal or oscillator and splits the timing signal out from that. Digging deeper, the Mac and the NeXT use similar system bus timing chips and using different versions on those might allow the NeXT to run faster. This does work on the Mac. And multitasking is a software feature and has nothing to do with how the hardware works. -- Charles D Phillips <mailto:phillips@phoenix.net> Check the Macintosh Logic Board Battery web page at: <http://www.academ.com/info/macintosh> "I Don't Do Windows, I Have A Macintosh"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: cdouty@netcom.com (Chris Douty) Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <cdoutyEFnAMA.8wq@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2708971342520001@news.dol.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:32:34 GMT Sender: cdouty@netcom19.netcom.com In article <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2708971342520001@news.dol.net>, Joe Ragosta <joe.ragosta@dol.net> wrote: >In article <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi>, >samu@*remove_this_to_e-mail_me*usa.net wrote: > >> PS Late this year/early next, PCs are going 100 Mhz bus with 66 Mhz PCI with >> SDRAM II, AGP (which in it's second incarnation will be really useful). >> Where are similar innovations on the Apple PPC hw camp? > >Ummm, you mean like 100 MHz bus, 66 MHz PCI, SDRAM, and AGP? All of these >are coming to the Mac. Along with Firewire, DVD, and all the other >standards which are now coming out as crossplatform technologies. Where? When? I haven't seen any such announcements from Apple. The best hardware I've heard of is Motorola's Starmax 6000. I don't mean to shoot you down, and I'd love to get rid of my wintel hardware, but I simply don't see anything exciting in the Mac camp. Come on, Apple, you are still using SCSI-2 internally and have a pathetic SCSI-1 external port. How the hell am I supposed to get system throughput on that? Frustratedly, Chris -- Christopher Douty - Rogue Engineer trapped in a land of software cdouty@netcom.com "Frequently the messages have meaning; that is they refer to or are correlated according to some system with physical or conceptual entities. These semantic aspects of communication are irrelevant to the engineering problem." -Shannon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fugue@ccp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: Black hardware speedup-HOW "BOUT THIS? In-Reply-To: phillips@nospam.phoenix.net's message of 28 Aug 1997 14:31:30 GMT Message-ID: <ukvrabd2931.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> Sender: fugue@dura.spc.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Computing Services References: <5u4242$hel$1@uhura1.phoenix.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:15:14 GMT phillips@nospam.phoenix.net said: > > In <5ticdc$j6a$2@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > > >> Clock Chipping *does* work. It does. I've done it. My pals (who still > >> have Macs) did it 3 years ago and their Macs still run fine. > > > It doesn't work on the NeXT, which has a tightly inter-connected > > system, I would assume due to its real multitasking versus the > > Macs. > > > TjL > > It _might_ work on the 68k NeXT, if we can figure out how the timing is > set for the CPU. A major difference between the Macs and the similar 68k > NeXT is that the Mac uses (depending on the model) several oscillators, > each of which times a different component. The NeXT uses a single 100 MHz > crystal or oscillator and splits the timing signal out from that. > > Digging deeper, the Mac and the NeXT use similar system bus timing chips > and using different versions on those might allow the NeXT to run faster. > This does work on the Mac. There're several things that concern me here: 1) Speeding up the CPU without speeding up the bus would result in minimal speed gains, at best. The speed with which the CPU can process data is limited by the speed with which the bus can send data to the CPU's pins. 2) Overclocking a bus on a UNIX box is a far cry from overclocking the same bus on, for example, a MacOS system. UNIX boxen are much more clock-dependent than either Windows or Mac systems. Particularly when auditing. Ok, so several != 2. I was being optimistic earlier. :)
From: hamel@unixg.ubc.ca (Dr. Keith A. Hamel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Large HD Problem Date: 28 Aug 1997 23:27:42 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <5u51he$mmf$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> I had to replace my hard drive on my NeXT slab (3.3). When I install the system on my new 2.1 GByte drive, I only get 1Gig of disk space. How can I initialize the disk so that I can use the entire 2.1 Gigs. THANKS Keith Hamel hamel@unixg.ubc.ca
From: nospam@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NLP Paper Exit Problem Date: 28 Aug 1997 23:15:35 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5u50qn$gpk$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <3404E960.5669@running-start.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: zazula@running-start.com In <3404E960.5669@running-start.com> Ralph Zazula wrote: > Hi - > > We have a NeXT Laser Printer that is having trouble ejecting pages after > printing (you have to stand there and pull the pages out to prevent a > jam). I think this is a common problem but don't recall the fix. Is > this in a FAQ or something? Checkout the 'how to fix' at my web page http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ It's *oh so much fun* but it does work. Take notes. Lots of notes. Careful notes. (on where you take off what, and what screws go where) TjL, who still has 9 leftover screws from 2 years ago when he had to do this -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
From: nospam+next@luomat.peak.org (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Large HD Problem Date: 28 Aug 1997 23:55:45 GMT Organization: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/ Message-ID: <5u5361$gpk$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <5u51he$mmf$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: hamel@unixg.ubc.ca In <5u51he$mmf$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Dr. Keith A. Hamel wrote: > I had to replace my hard drive on my NeXT slab (3.3). When I install the > system on my new 2.1 GByte drive, I only get 1Gig of disk space. How can > I initialize the disk so that I can use the entire 2.1 Gigs. FAQ 2 choices: A) Use one partition with a maximum size of 2047 megs (2 gig limit) B) Use two partitions, each under 2048 megs I believe that 3.3 partitioned the disk automatically, so you could try something like: mount -t 4.3 /dev/sd0h /Part2 and see if that's where the other partition is. TjL -- "NeXT continually embarrassed the rest of the industry for having workable, shipping, and high-quality answers before most people knew the questions." -- Gary Longsine, full text at: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Editorial/TheHolyGrail.html
From: sneal@ichips.intel.com (Scott M. Neal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: New internal CD Rom in NeXT CD Rom enclosure Date: 29 Aug 1997 01:12:50 GMT Organization: Intel Development Labs, INTeL Corporation Message-ID: <5u57mi$i3s@news.or.intel.com> { Sorry if this got out more than once, we had mail server problems } Anyone know of any modern internal CD-Rom drives (2x or faster) that would fit in the NeXT CD-Rom case as a replacement for my broken 1x Sony CDU-541? It's an aesthetic thing--I want to use the NeXT CD-Rom case (and preferably faceplate, but I know I'm dreaming here) and put in a faster (in my case, one that actually *works*) CD-Rom. I also would like the internal plugs that connect to the external RCA jacks, power supply, SCSI ID selector to fit perfectly into any new CD-Rom drive (still dreaming). If not, any suggestions on where to find an external CD-Rom that comes in a black enclosure that works with NeXT hardware? It appears that Sony is no longer making standard CD-Rom drives (I went hunting around there website). Figured I might stumble across a newer offering with the features I want, but no luck... Scott, Trying to avoid black spray-painting!
From: crobato@kuentos.guam.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 29 Aug 1997 01:16:15 GMT Organization: Kuentos Communications Inc. Message-ID: <5u57sv$cc5@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> In <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi>, samu@*remove_this_to_e-mail_me*usa.net writes: > > > > joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) writes: > > >Careful. You're comparing Apples and oranges. The average PC is 60-66 MHz > >with 64 bit memory bus. The average Mac being sold today is 50 MHz with > >In article <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>, >Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote: > > Conclusion: no matter how you try to twist it, Apple's motherboards are > woefully behind in technology compared to the x86 motherboards, which > keeps the PPCs from reaching their true potential. > >Yep. And the only thing keeping up the faith for me was the CHRP >announcements from Moto & IBM mapping out the future memory buses, >PCI buses, etc. (road map to 66 & 100 Mhz bus, 66 Mhz 64-bit PCI, >SDRAM, SDRAM II, SyncLink, Rambus, etc.). Now that CHRP is toast >for the time being Apple has no profound road map, nothing to >show to people to woo them over. What they have is an aging >platform (which I love, btw) and aging hw designs with serious >quality problems (compared to Dell for example). > >Best regards, >Samu Mielonen > >PS Late this year/early next, PCs are going 100 Mhz bus with 66 Mhz PCI with >SDRAM II, AGP (which in it's second incarnation will be really useful). >Where are similar innovations on the Apple PPC hw camp? Apple should >just get their things sorted out in the hw business or get out of it >altoghether. They can't keep it up and running by protectionism alone >(e.g. killing the cloners). It depends what you mean by roadmap. Here is what I gleamed in tidbits from various articles in the last few months: Apple non CHRP roadmap--- Bus speed up to 66Mhz to 83Mhz. Trimedia chip support. EDO already supported on low end, but plans for higher end machines. Possible SDRAM support. Firewire. AGP. A modular personality design, where a system can be upgraded to a more powerful machine or downgraded for a cheaper price by changing personality modules---a big anti-obsolescence plus and superior customization feature. Motorola and IBM---what is already available on CHRP and PReP: 128 bit memory buses with 16 bits ECC. EDO and SDRAM support. Dual controllers even. What appears to be sophisticated 8 way associated lookaside cache. Three level cache schemes. AGP, Firewire. Current memory controllers can be overclocked to 83Mhz. Possibly targeting 100Mhz buses with SDRAM. Trimedia chip support. Currently it appears that Motorola is now able to run much larger backside caches (as big as IMb compared to 512K to the Pentium II) much faster than Intel, which can't get their backside cache faster than 150Mhz for the PII and 200Mhz for the Pentium Pro. Motorola demoed a G3 notebook on the Hot Chips conference, with the G3 processor running at 300Mhz with the backside cache at 1:1---also at 300Mhz. Yes, a notebook computer that destroys the fastest Pentium II desktop PCs out there, and this might debut as the top end Kanga or Wallstreet Powerbook. Power Computing's G3 machine already run 1:1, and that's a 275Mhz cache for a 275 G3. There are some features here that Intel isn't even hoping to match next year. Intel's roadmap has the Pentium II running up to 450Mhz. G3 plans to run 450Mhz, probably 500Mhz, and clock to clock, the G3 is already faster. Better yet, it appears that not all the G3 cards have not been played. There is still an unnamed true 604e successor, beyond the Mach 5, which is a transitory chip, a 604e made with G3 processes. This will be much faster than Arthur on the same clock, and intended to be a mid to high end chip. Then a 64 bit G3, quite possibly the 620 finally debuting, skipping two generations and entering the market on a G3 level of manufacturing, clock speeds and with backside caches. All these may depend on how much Apple is getting their ass of the licensing issue. Rgds, Chris > >-- >Copyright 1996 Samu Mielonen. All rights reserved. <samu at usa dot net> >Unsolicited advertising sent to my e-mail addresses is unauthorized use of my >computer equipment as well as a form of mail harassment. A charge of $1000 >will be applied to senders of such messages. News headers have been modified.
From: sitzkrieg@erols.com (Sitzkrieg Redundus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: I hate the word "newbie", but... Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 06:24:12 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Message-ID: <34066a69.47602564@news.erols.com> References: <33fcfe76.39318381@news.erols.com> <5tj7jp$b1s$3@news.platinum.com> <5tl2b1$nm$1@duke.squonk.net> On 22 Aug 1997 22:03:13 GMT, Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >longsine_nospam_@platinum.com (Gary W. Longsine) wrote: >He's talking about the turbo, not the nitro or pyro. I would >think that a fair number of turbo (33MHz 68040) cubes were >made... > Sure are a bitch to find, tho... ;) And the hunt continues... Thanks to all who have responded so far. I'm just getting into the NeXT environment, so all help is welcome. Muchly appreciated! -noah .sig file has been changed to protect the innocent.
From: Eric Doenges <doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 29 Aug 97 06:40:33 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Prozessrechner, TU Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: world Message-ID: <doenges.872836833@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> <5u57sv$cc5@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> Originator: doenges@batian.lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de crobato@kuentos.guam.net writes: >All these may depend on how much Apple is getting their ass of the >licensing issue. Which is just the point Mr. Ragosta is not getting. Apple itself has proved itself time and time again to be too incompetent to do hardware design up to the level of the PC cloners (or, more precisely, the chipset/motherboard manufacturers). The only good thing about PowerMac hardware (the PPC chip), was not designed by Apple. So, if Apple kills licensing, the MacOS cloners will loose interest and it will be up to Apple to design and release cutting edge hardware - with their current track record, I'd guess they would fail miserably. -- Eric Doenges EMail:<doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> "You don't have to swim faster than the shark, just faster than the guy next to you" - anonymous
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: victor@comcon.kiev.ua (VVS) Subject: HELP with install 640M Fujitsu MO drive -M2513A. Disktab entry needed. Sender: news@info.elvisti.kiev.ua (News Subsystem) Organization: PHM Message-ID: <victor-2908971558290001@nntp.elvisti.kiev.ua> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:58:29 GMT Hello! 640M Fujitsu M2513A cant't report geometry information. SCSI Mode Sense command not supported in this drive. Some little programs on Peanuts wich determine drive geometry works only with native black hardware, no Intel. Please, help. SY, --victOr
From: phillips@nospam.phoenix.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Black hardware speedup-HOW "BOUT THIS? Date: 29 Aug 1997 13:28:31 GMT Organization: Charter Communications International, Inc. Message-ID: <5u6ipv$k2t$1@uhura1.phoenix.net> References: <5u4242$hel$1@uhura1.phoenix.net> <ukvrabd2931.fsf@dura.spc.uchicago.edu> fugue@ccp.uchicago.edu wrote: : phillips@nospam.phoenix.net said: : > It _might_ work on the 68k NeXT, if we can figure out how the timing is : > set for the CPU. A major difference between the Macs and the similar 68k : > NeXT is that the Mac uses (depending on the model) several oscillators, : > each of which times a different component. The NeXT uses a single 100 MHz : > crystal or oscillator and splits the timing signal out from that. : > : > Digging deeper, the Mac and the NeXT use similar system bus timing chips : > and using different versions on those might allow the NeXT to run faster. : > This does work on the Mac. : There're several things that concern me here: : 1) Speeding up the CPU without speeding up the bus would result in minimal : speed gains, at best. The speed with which the CPU can process data is : limited by the speed with which the bus can send data to the CPU's pins. This is a complicated subject ... On the 68k powered Macs - you can replace the chip that times the system bus (replace an 88920 by an 88916) and nothing happens. Accelerate the CPU by replacing the oscillator and the Dhrystones and MIPS goes up significantly. But ... On a Quadra 605 (MC68LC040) if you do the well-known resistor swap you speed up from 25 to 33 MHz. If you try the other set of pads and try for 40 MHz - it fails to sync. But now replace the 88920 with an 88916 and it will speed up to 42+ MHz. Will something like that work on a 68k NeXT??? I am hoping to find out. : 2) Overclocking a bus on a UNIX box is a far cry from overclocking the same : bus on, for example, a MacOS system. UNIX boxen are much more clock-dependent : than either Windows or Mac systems. Particularly when auditing. But the speed that the systems run is well below the tolerances for timing (on the Mac, so far) and they should speed up before timing problems occur? -- Charles D Phillips <mailto:phillips@phoenix.net> Check the Macintosh Logic Board Battery web page at: <http://www.academ.com/info/macintosh> "I Don't Do Windows, I Have A Macintosh"
From: ourxs@xs4all.nl (Wiro van Schaik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Problems with parallel printing on Openstep 4.2 Sparc Date: 29 Aug 1997 13:46:31 GMT Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses Message-ID: <5u6jrn$9rd$1@news2.xs4all.nl> Keywords: Openstep 4.2, GSPrintFiler, Ghostscript, pp0, Sparcstation 4, parallel After installing the latest 4.2 version of OpenStep for Sparc, I can't get use the parallel port anymore. When booting NeXTSTEP 3.3 from another disk everything works ok. I'm using GSPrintFilter with Ghostscript4.03/5.01 to convert the the postscript output to something suitable for a Nec Pinwriter P6 or a Epson Stylus Color II but I can't even cat a file to pp0 (the parallel port device). The release notes for OpenStep 4.2 mention that parallel printing is not supported on a Sparcstation 5. As I have a Sparcstation 4, does anybody no if this remark also applies for Sparcstation 4? Does anybody has parallel printing working under OS4.2 for Sparc? Please reply by email (<mailto:ourxs@xs4all.nl>) as I'm not a regurarly news reader. I will summarize any usefull reactions to this newsgroup. Thanks, Wiro van Schaik -- /* * Work: * Shared Objectives - Turning the Object to Advantage * P.O. Box 566, NL-1420 CB Uithoorn * tel +31 (0)297-531658, fax +31 (0)297-531668, * <mailto:wiro@socom.nl>, <http://www.shared-objectives.com>
From: jfranco@eyestreet.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Installation of NeXTSTEP 3.3 on an EIDE system Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:59:21 GMT Organization: Eye Street Software Message-ID: <3406d285.1534102@usenet.psinet.com> My problem is the following. I am attempting install NeXTSTEP 3.3 on my Intel EIDE system with the new EIDE/ATAPI drivers that NeXT/Apple has on their web site. I have configured the ATAPI CDROM as the slave and it is found on NT. (I am trying to set up a dual boot situation). When I attempt to load the EIDE drivers that I got off of the web site, I get the following error while in the floppy mode of installation: Error occurred while linking driver Adaptec1542B: rld(): Undefined symbols: _obj_getOrigClass An error occurred while loading the Adaptec1542B device driver The page describing the installation of NeXT on an EIDE system says that the necessaty of loading the Adaptec154x driver is a bug that will be fixed in later releases. What is going on here? Has anyone actually installed NeXT on an EIDE system? Thanks, Jeff Franco jfranco@eyestreet.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tachang@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Andrew Chang) Subject: Re: modem (What's the fastest ZyXel modem?) Message-ID: <EFoI5r.FrM@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: GSB, University of Chicago References: <872710740.30371@dejanews.com> <3404A70C.3001@gcomm.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:13:03 GMT In article <3404A70C.3001@gcomm.com>, Amando Blasco <ablasco@gcomm.com> wrote: >Martin Aube wrote: >> >> I want to get a 28800 bps modem for my NeXTStation turbo color. What >> models fit to that computer? >> > >I currently use a Supra Modem 33.6 that is very good. Zyxel is also a >good choice. Don't forget to make an special cable to connect the >station with the modem. Check you sysadmin manual about this point. > >Amando Does ZyXel make 33.6 or 56k modems? I only remember the old 1496 ones... Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tachang@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Andrew Chang) Subject: Re: New internal CD Rom in NeXT CD Rom enclosure Message-ID: <EFoIoI.GnL@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: GSB, University of Chicago References: <5u57mi$i3s@news.or.intel.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:24:18 GMT In article <5u57mi$i3s@news.or.intel.com>, Scott M. Neal <sneal@ichips.intel.com> wrote: >{ Sorry if this got out more than once, we had mail server problems } > > Anyone know of any modern internal CD-Rom drives (2x or > faster) that would fit in the NeXT CD-Rom case as a replacement for > my broken 1x Sony CDU-541? > > It's an aesthetic thing--I want to use the NeXT CD-Rom case > (and preferably faceplate, but I know I'm dreaming here) and put > in a faster (in my case, one that actually *works*) CD-Rom. I also > would like the internal plugs that connect to the external RCA jacks, > power supply, SCSI ID selector to fit perfectly into any new CD-Rom > drive (still dreaming). > > If not, any suggestions on where to find an external CD-Rom > that comes in a black enclosure that works with NeXT hardware? > > It appears that Sony is no longer making standard CD-Rom > drives (I went hunting around there website). Figured I might > stumble across a newer offering with the features I want, but > no luck... > > Scott, > Trying to avoid black spray-painting! > I had the same problem before and I tried several CD drives. They include a Toshiba 4X drive and a Sony 4X drive. They did not fit because of the faceplate. Finally I found another Sony 1X drive (made for Sun) and it fitted perfectly. Its model name was different vs that of the original NeXT drive. You will have to try some. The faceplace thing is the most important thing. You may be able to twist the cable a little bit... Good luck.
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:49:00 -0400 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Distribution: world Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Message-ID: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2908970749000001@news.dol.net> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> <5u57sv$cc5@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> <doenges.872836833@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Organization: Graver Chemical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In article <doenges.872836833@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>, doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de wrote: > crobato@kuentos.guam.net writes: > > >All these may depend on how much Apple is getting their ass of the > >licensing issue. > > Which is just the point Mr. Ragosta is not getting. Apple itself has > proved itself time and time again to be too incompetent to do hardware > design up to the level of the PC cloners (or, more precisely, the Then why have Macs consistently outperformed PCs? Why is it that when Apple released the 3400/240, the nearest PC competitor was a 166 MHz Pentium? > chipset/motherboard manufacturers). The only good thing about PowerMac > hardware (the PPC chip), was not designed by Apple. So, if Apple kills > licensing, the MacOS cloners will loose interest and it will be up to > Apple to design and release cutting edge hardware - with their current > track record, I'd guess they would fail miserably. Have you used a Gossamer motherboard? -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Site http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
From: Arnold Kim <arn@visi.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Model Numbers for NeXT color monitors? Date: 29 Aug 1997 17:32:40 GMT Organization: MCV Distribution: world Message-ID: <5u713o$2qv$1@madrid.visi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can anyone give me the exact model numbers of the monitors that were OEMed for NeXT? Specifically, I'm looking at the ones at www.deepspacetech.com The Philips, Fili, and Sony 17". And also the Hitachi 21". thanks, arnold
From: Scott Byer <byer@corp.adobe.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 29 Aug 1997 10:29:44 -0700 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA Sender: byer@PUNISHMENT Message-ID: <u3ensj3sn.fsf@corp.adobe.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> <5u57sv$cc5@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> <doenges.872836833@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2908970749000001@news.dol.net> Joe Ragosta writes: >> Which is just the point Mr. Ragosta is not getting. Apple itself has >> proved itself time and time again to be too incompetent to do hardware >> design up to the level of the PC cloners (or, more precisely, the Joe> Then why have Macs consistently outperformed PCs? Why is it that when Joe> Apple released the 3400/240, the nearest PC competitor was a 166 MHz Joe> Pentium? Only in specific instances, usually when floating point is involved. When memory bus bandwidth is the limiting factor, PCs beat the Mac easily. When multi-tasking is involved, the PC really starts to shine (well, relative to the Mac). When networking is involved, the Mac isn't even in the ballpark. And when it comes to being part of a daily, get-things-done workflow, there is barely any comparison at all. My 2-way PPro 200MHz running NT beats the pants off my PowerComputing 250MHz 604e in terms of getting work done. The NT box can handle doing a SrcSafe fetch, compile, editing, RC5 crack, , and stock ticker while getting good networking copying performance. The Mac starts to choke as soon as I run one more than one thing at once, still loses my typing in MPW (! it's 1997, for gosh sake - other OSes solved this one years ago). And almost never makes it through the day without a painful reboot. Now, of course, NEXTSTEP is much better than NT at that daily workflow thing, so Rhapsody might just help the hardware show off a little better. Of course, there is no repair for things like brain damaged memory buses. But I hear that Apple learned their lesson on that one (I hope). -- Scott Byer, Computer Scientist mailto:byer@adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mailstop W10 These are my opinions, and 345 Park Avenue do not necessarily reflect San Jose, CA 95110-9704 the opinions of my employer. --------- 56 bits is not enough. Visit http://rc5.distributed.net/ ---------
From: slick@tools.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian S Slick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 29 Aug 1997 17:59:59 GMT Organization: Purdue University, W. Lafayette, IN Message-ID: <5u72mv$pp9@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> In article <u3ensj3sn.fsf@corp.adobe.com>, Scott Byer <byer@corp.adobe.com> wrote: > >Joe Ragosta writes: > >>> Which is just the point Mr. Ragosta is not getting. Apple itself has >>> proved itself time and time again to be too incompetent to do hardware >>> design up to the level of the PC cloners (or, more precisely, the > >Joe> Then why have Macs consistently outperformed PCs? Why is it that when >Joe> Apple released the 3400/240, the nearest PC competitor was a 166 MHz >Joe> Pentium? > >Only in specific instances, usually when floating point is involved. When >memory bus bandwidth is the limiting factor, PCs beat the Mac easily. When >multi-tasking is involved, the PC really starts to shine (well, relative to >the Mac). When networking is involved, the Mac isn't even in the ballpark. Multi-tasking is software, not hardware. >And when it comes to being part of a daily, get-things-done workflow, there >is barely any comparison at all. My 2-way PPro 200MHz running NT beats the >pants off my PowerComputing 250MHz 604e in terms of getting work done. The >NT box can handle doing a SrcSafe fetch, compile, editing, RC5 crack, , and >stock ticker while getting good networking copying performance. The Mac >starts to choke as soon as I run one more than one thing at once, still >loses my typing in MPW (! it's 1997, for gosh sake - other OSes solved this >one years ago). And almost never makes it through the day without a painful >reboot. Again, you are using software capabilities to point out weaknesses in hardware? Apples to oranges. And Win95 only 'solved' this one (sort of) 2 years ago. It's not like it has been there for ages. >Now, of course, NEXTSTEP is much better than NT at that daily workflow >thing, so Rhapsody might just help the hardware show off a little better. >Of course, there is no repair for things like brain damaged memory buses. >But I hear that Apple learned their lesson on that one (I hope). Better software. Nothing to do with hardware. -- Practicing the honest side of advocacy... -Brian Slick slick@ecn.purdue.edu Please visit Golden Delicious, at: http://tools.ecn.purdue.edu/~slick
From: "Mark Szamrej" <szamrej@no-spam.centerline_dot_com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 29 Aug 1997 18:11:51 GMT Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Message-ID: <01bcb4a7$2a8f1710$a201ef8c@ubu> References: <5u72mv$pp9@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Brian S Slick <slick@tools.ecn.purdue.edu> wrote in article <5u72mv$pp9@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>... : > : >Only in specific instances, usually when floating point is involved. When : >memory bus bandwidth is the limiting factor, PCs beat the Mac easily. When : >multi-tasking is involved, the PC really starts to shine (well, relative to : >the Mac). When networking is involved, the Mac isn't even in the ballpark. : : Multi-tasking is software, not hardware. : Yes but.... software runs on hardware. Without the proper hardware support, multi-tasking can be difficult to implement and innefficient. For example: Compare SCSI with IDE. By looking at their "raw" numbers (transfer rate, seek time, etc.) they appear nearly identical. Now put a SCSI and an IDE drive in a multi-tasking computer with multiple processors. The IDE drive will CHOKE when compared to the real-world throughput that SCSI will deliver. Same goes for busses, memory, cache and etc. - Mark -
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From: adt@netcom.com (Tony Tribelli) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:10:56 -0700 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <adt-ya023080002908971410560001@news.deltanet.com> References: <33FB5391.79CD@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.psi.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> <5u57sv$cc5@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> <doenges.872836833@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2908970749000001@news.dol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > doenges@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de wrote: > > Which is just the point Mr. Ragosta is not getting. Apple itself has > > proved itself time and time again to be too incompetent to do hardware > > design up to the level of the PC cloners (or, more precisely, the > > Then why have Macs consistently outperformed PCs? Why is it that when Apple > released the 3400/240, the nearest PC competitor was a 166 MHz Pentium? The point you are missing is that the Mac's performance advantage has been marginal. That the POTENTIAL of the PowerPC architecture has been severely handicapped by Apple's own hadware designs. Apple is pretty good at designing cases, but not motherboards. Tony ------------------ Tony Tribelli adtribelli@acm.org
From: jwlee@artsci.wustl.edu (Jung Woo Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: amd processor Date: 30 Aug 1997 00:03:48 GMT Organization: Washington University in St. Louis Message-ID: <5u7o14$mvh$1@newsreader.wustl.edu> Can anybody tell if openstep runs on amd processor. I know that openstep has a problem running on the cyrix chip. If anybody is running openstop on an amd chip please tell me about your experiences.
From: slick@tools.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian S Slick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 30 Aug 1997 01:26:14 GMT Organization: Purdue University, W. Lafayette, IN Message-ID: <5u7srm$6r2@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <5u72mv$pp9@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <01bcb4a7$2a8f1710$a201ef8c@ubu> In article <01bcb4a7$2a8f1710$a201ef8c@ubu>, Mark Szamrej <szamrej@no-spam.centerline_dot_com> wrote: >Brian S Slick <slick@tools.ecn.purdue.edu> wrote in article ><5u72mv$pp9@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>... >: > >: >Only in specific instances, usually when floating point is involved. When >: >memory bus bandwidth is the limiting factor, PCs beat the Mac easily. When >: >multi-tasking is involved, the PC really starts to shine (well, relative to >: >the Mac). When networking is involved, the Mac isn't even in the ballpark. >: >: Multi-tasking is software, not hardware. >: > >Yes but.... software runs on hardware. Without the proper hardware support, >multi-tasking can be difficult to implement and innefficient. Multi-tasking has absolutely zero to do with hardware. Hardware has nothing to do with implementation or efficiency of multi-tasking. >For example: Compare SCSI with IDE. By looking at their "raw" numbers >(transfer rate, seek time, etc.) they appear nearly identical. Now put a SCSI >and an IDE drive in a multi-tasking computer with multiple processors. The IDE >drive will CHOKE when compared to the real-world throughput that SCSI will >deliver. That is an IDE limitation, not a multi-tasking limitation. Besides, your whole point was the superiority of PC hardware. It seems that the Mac would win the example you just gave, since IDE is far more prevalent on the PC side, while SCSI is far more prevalent on the Mac side. Still, IDE vs. SCSI has absolutely nothing to do with multi-tasking. -- Practicing the honest side of advocacy... -Brian Slick slick@ecn.purdue.edu Please visit Golden Delicious, at: http://tools.ecn.purdue.edu/~slick
From: "Tim Priest" <tpriest@metz.une.edu.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 30 Aug 97 13:28:22 +1000 Organization: University of New England, NSW, Australia Message-ID: <B02DD07C-70705@129.180.65.35> References: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2908970749000001@news.dol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nntp://News.une.edu.au/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://News.une.edu.au/comp.sys.next.hardware >Then why have Macs consistently outperformed PCs? Why is it that when >Apple >released the 3400/240, the nearest PC competitor was a 166 MHz Pentium? > >> chipset/motherboard manufacturers). The only good thing about PowerMac >> hardware (the PPC chip), was not designed by Apple. So, if Apple kills >> licensing, the MacOS cloners will loose interest and it will be up to >> Apple to design and release cutting edge hardware - with their current >> track record, I'd guess they would fail miserably. > >Have you used a Gossamer motherboard? While I agree that Mac's may be outperforming the PC's it really isn't Apples doing. It is the fact that the PPC chips are simply MUCH better than the PC counterparts. Apple really has been slack at staying on their toes with regards to Hardware and software design (at least until the clones started pushing them) over the last 4-6 years.. And you don't have to believe a no-one lik me, even Gil Amelio and Steve (a complete prick if ever there was one) Job's think so. I am so sick of what is going on with licensing at the moment. If Apple dumps CHRP and licensing, I'll dump Apple, because they will then be (at least to me) no better than MickeySoft. If Apple can't compete with the cloners, then something is wrong. WITH APPLE!!!!! Tim Priest. --------------------------------------------------- This message was created and sent using the Cyberdog Mail System --------------------------------------------------- Hoping Apple doesn't let SJ dictate cloning. Because I don't want to by a PC.
From: creat-jk@wdc.net (kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: wtb: ns3.3 user and ns3.3 developor(academy version Date: 30 Aug 1997 04:58:27 GMT Organization: Western Datacom Message-ID: <creat-jk-ya02408000R2908982156130001@news.wdc.net> References: <3406d285.1534102@usenet.psinet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am looking for ns3.3 user and ns3.3 developor(academy version )for color turbo station
From: kcd@babylon5.jumpgate.com (Kenneth C. Dyke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 30 Aug 1997 05:52:48 GMT Message-ID: <5u8cfg$j9h$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> References: <5u72mv$pp9@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <01bcb4a7$2a8f1710$a201ef8c@ubu> In-Reply-To: <01bcb4a7$2a8f1710$a201ef8c@ubu> On 08/29/97, "Mark Szamrej" wrote: >Brian S Slick <slick@tools.ecn.purdue.edu> wrote in article ><5u72mv$pp9@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>... >: >: Multi-tasking is software, not hardware. > >Yes but.... software runs on hardware. Without the proper hardware >support, multi-tasking can be difficult to implement and innefficient. The only thing needed to implement multitasking is the ability to save and restore the state of the CPU. I've seen multitasking done on a C64, so I don't think that's the problem here. >For example: Compare SCSI with IDE. By looking at their "raw" numbers >(transfer rate, seek time, etc.) they appear nearly identical. Now put >a SCSI and an IDE drive in a multi-tasking computer with multiple >processors. The IDE drive will CHOKE when compared to the real-world >throughput that SCSI will deliver. That depends on the SCSI implementation. If it's SCSI like older Mac systems, it's actually WORSE than IDE. SCSI has higher command overhead and only supports 8-bit transfers, while IDE typically transfers data 16-bits at a time. Not that I'm a major fan of IDE, I think it sucks rocks, but lame SCSI implementations can be worse than IDE in many cases, at least as far as CPU usage is concerned. Once you get DMA involved and have a fairly intelligent SCSI controllers (like an NCR 53c710 or 53c810), thinks become quite different for sure. -Ken -- Kenneth Dyke, kcd@jumpgate.com (personal), kdyke@ea.com (work) Nuclear Strike and OPENSTEP Tools Engineer, Electronic Arts C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade.
From: mat0001@jove.acs.unt.edu (Michael Thompson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 01:17:45 -0600 Organization: N/A Message-ID: <mat0001-3008970117450001@remote36.server1.local.premium.dialup.unt.edu> References: <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2908970749000001@news.dol.net> <B02DD07C-70705@129.180.65.35> I bought a clone with the hopes that the NeXT/Apple OS would be running by this Jan. It doesnt seem as though the clone machines or atleaste my machine will be supported until whenever.... So, I am looking into an SGI O2. I have been using an INDY for a while now and find it pretty nice. I wont buy another PC Intel box ever. I have had nothing but problems with it... mainly hardware problems. As I see it for me is if Apple doesnt come through with OpenStep on clones and get its hardware up to "workstation" standards I will move to SGI. Michael Thompson In article <B02DD07C-70705@129.180.65.35>, "Tim Priest" <tpriest@metz.une.edu.au> wrote: > > While I agree that Mac's may be outperforming the PC's it really isn't > Apples doing. It is the fact that the PPC chips are simply MUCH better than > the PC counterparts. Apple really has been slack at staying on their toes > with regards to Hardware and software design (at least until the clones > started pushing them) over the last 4-6 years.. And you don't have to > believe a no-one lik me, even Gil Amelio and Steve (a complete prick if > ever there was one) Job's think so. > > I am so sick of what is going on with licensing at the moment. If Apple > dumps CHRP and licensing, I'll dump Apple, because they will then be (at > least to me) no better than MickeySoft. If Apple can't compete with the > cloners, then something is wrong. WITH APPLE!!!!! > > Tim Priest.
From: tim@jumpnet.com (tim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: PPCP/CHRP Death= BIG Apple Problem Date: 30 Aug 1997 14:50:35 GMT Organization: At Right Angles Sender: tim@0.0.0.0 Message-ID: <5u9bvr$nsb@news.jumpnet.com> References: <see-below-2308970045490001@ip120.mountain-view.ca.pub-ip.ps i.net> <joe.ragosta-ya02408000R2308970722330001@news.dol.net> <doenges.872664845@lpr.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> <5u1grh$dpi@vuokko.uta.fi> <5u57sv$cc5@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> In article <5u57sv$cc5@lehi.kuentos.guam.net> crobato@kuentos.guam.net writes: > Motorola demoed a G3 notebook on the > Hot Chips conference, with the G3 processor running at 300Mhz with the > backside cache at 1:1---also at 300Mhz. Actually, the L2 was running at 2:1 in that system (300MHz processor, 150MHz L2). -- Tim Olson
From: Mario Illgen <Mario.Illgen@Informatik.TU-Chemnitz.DE> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: amd processor Date: 30 Aug 1997 14:34:35 GMT Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG Message-ID: <5u9b1r$nln$1@narses.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> References: <5u7o14$mvh$1@newsreader.wustl.edu> jwlee@artsci.wustl.edu (Jung Woo Lee) wrote: >Can anybody tell if openstep runs on amd processor. I know that openstep >has a problem running on the cyrix chip. If anybody is running openstop >on an amd chip please tell me about your experiences. > I'm running Openstep 4.0 on a K5PR100 without big problems... Sometimes OmniWeb is crashing the system but I don't know if this is an AMD or an OmniWeb problem. Ciao, Mario -- Mario Illgen, TU Chemnitz-Zwickau "I laughed in the mirror for the first time in a year..."
From: Maurice van Steensel <m.vansteensel@antrg.azn.nl> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: help. system will not boot Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:45:09 -0700 Organization: University Hospital Nijmegen Message-ID: <3408BE95.5283@antrg.azn.nl> References: <3401DE1C.6E25@interstroom.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Interstroom <trooster@interstroom.nl> Interstroom wrote: > > We just got a second-hand Next Cube, but the system will not boot. After > detecting the SCSI device, the system ends up in a 'NeXT ROM Monitor 2.5 > (v66)' with the following message: > > Exception #2 (0x8) at 0x4380012 > > What does this mean? Is it a memory error? If so, how can we check > memory? > > With kind regards, > Madeleine Loman / Joris Trooster I asked an informatics guy I know. He doesn't know the NeXT, but says an exception error always means that the machine encounters an instruction in memory that it doesn't know. So it may be what Timothy suggests. If not you should try getting the CDROM I guess and try building the disk again. Sorry my build (at Lennart's :-)) did not work out! Bye Maurice
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