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From: bobs@terrapin.phys.washington.edu (Robert Singleton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.softward Subject: open problem Date: 1 Oct 1997 22:24:17 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <60uiih$15f0$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu> I'm having a problem starting an application with the open command. Using the TeXview.app application, I would like to view the .dvi "file.dvi"; however, I get the following complaint: terrapin:% open -a /LocalApps/TeXview.app file.dvi open: can't open connection to /LocalApps/TeXview.app on local host. I can of course double click on file.dvi and open the application, but this is not convenient if I'm using a shell window. Also, I should point out that *if* the TeXview.app is already running, I'm perfectly able to view file.dvi with the open command. Thanks very much for any advice. Regards, Robert Singleton work: (206) 543-9640 Department of Physics fax : (206) 685-0635 University of Washington office: B416 Phys & Astronomy Bldg. Box 351560 bobs@terrapin.phys.washington.edu Seattle, WA 98195 http://terrapin.phys.washington.edu/~bobs
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From: Christian Richter <christian.richter@stud.uni-hannover.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Installing problems 3.3 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 10:07:24 +0200 Organization: RRZN - Newsserver Message-ID: <3433563C.1133E3D6@stud.uni-hannover.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello out there, I just tried to install 3.3 on a Pentium 233 system with a 2940, 3HDs (ID 2-4) and 2 CDROMs (Plex12 and NEC, ID0 and 1) attached to it. I like to place NeXt on HD0. When arriving at that point where to choose the HD on which I like to install NeXt the installation finishes with a "memory fault", or with "bogus disk information". Installing it on a extra IDE drive everything is fine. After changing configuration it looks that it is a problem of the Plex12 CD-ROM. When I get re-connected NeXt ends in a "system panic" because of cannot mounting root. Whats all this about and how can I get rid of it? Can anybody help? Thank you, Christian ======================================== < CRC² > = CHRISTIAN RICHTER FON: +49 511 848 3737 FAX: +49 511 848 3738 eMail: Christian.Richter@stud.uni-hannover.de ===================================================
From: phy070@spo109 (H.-R. Oberhage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Installing problems 3.3 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Date: 2 Oct 1997 10:32:54 GMT Organization: Universitaet Essen GH, Germany Message-ID: <60vt8m$faq4@mx2.hrz.uni-essen.de> References: <3433563C.1133E3D6@stud.uni-hannover.de> Christian Richter (christian.richter@stud.uni-hannover.de) wrote: : Hello out there, Hello, : : I just tried to install 3.3 on a Pentium 233 system with a 2940, 3HDs : (ID 2-4) and 2 CDROMs (Plex12 and NEC, ID0 and 1) attached to it. I like : to place NeXt on HD0. When arriving at that point where to choose the HD : on which I like to install NeXt the installation finishes with a "memory : fault", or with "bogus disk information". : Installing it on a extra IDE drive everything is fine. : After changing configuration it looks that it is a problem of the Plex12 : CD-ROM. When I get re-connected NeXt ends in a "system panic" because of : cannot mounting root. : : Whats all this about and how can I get rid of it? Can anybody help? try to reconfigure the system such that the CD-drives come 'after' the disks, at least the first one, otherwise the system might trie to install to sd0 which is a CD (read-only) and at least after installation '/etc/fstab' will have the wrong entry (/dev/sd0). Use (e.g.) IDs 5 and 6. Plextor 12x itself should run fine, I think we have some installed with PPros 200. : : Thank you, : Christian You're welcome, Ruediger -- H.-R. Oberhage Mail: Univ.-GH Essen E-Mail: phy070@sp2.power.Uni-Essen.DE Fachbereich 7 (Physik) ruediger@Theo-Phys.Uni-Essen.DE S05 V07 E88 Universitaetsstrasse 5 Phone: (+49) 201 / 183-2493 D-45117 Essen, Germany FAX: (+49) 201 / 183-2120
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From: nospam@ried_at_mpip-mainz.mpg.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.softward Subject: Re: open problem Date: 2 Oct 1997 18:16:36 GMT Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitaet Mainz, Germany Message-ID: <610oe4$t91$4@esmeralda.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> References: <60uiih$15f0$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu> bobs@terrapin.phys.washington.edu (Robert Singleton) wrote: > I'm having a problem starting an application with the open command. Using the TeXview.app application, I would like to view the .dvi "file.dvi"; however, I get the following complaint: > terrapin:% open -a /LocalApps/TeXview.app file.dvi > open: can't open connection to /LocalApps/TeXview.app on local host. > I can of course double click on file.dvi and open the application, but this is not convenient if I'm using a shell window. Also, I should point out that *if* the TeXview.app is already running, I'm perfectly able to view file.dvi with the open command. Thanks very much for any advice. > Regards, Robert, make TeXView.app the default tool for dvi-files in Inspektor-Tools and then just open file.dvi will do the job. stef -- _____________________________________________________________________ /Stefan Ried, MPI f. Polymerforschung, Postf.3148, 55021 Mainz, F.R.G.\ |E-Mail ried@mpip-mainz.mpg.de (MIME/NeXT welcome) | |Telefon ++49 6131 379 267 Fax:++49 6131 379 340 __/___/ | |Project working on pattern-formation in liquid crystals /./\__/\\| |WWW http://www-theory.mpip-mainz.mpg.de/~ried \_/ \_/| | There are only three types of computer users: | | Those that use NeXTs. Those that wished they used NeXTs. | | Those that don't know what they are missing. | \_____________________________________________________________________/
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From: tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl (Tom Hageman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Mail.app crashes (it's gotta be 4.1) Date: 4 Oct 1997 16:41:33 GMT Organization: Warty Wolfs Sender: news@basil.icce.rug.nl (NEWS pusher) Message-ID: <EHHvqv.5CB@basil.icce.rug.nl> References: <6077oc$9oa$7@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) wrote: > I even tried the 4.2 Mail.app under 4.1, and it still crashes all the time... > it's getting to be the same ol story. Double click on a mailbox and see: > > Mail[16185]: objc: FREED(id): message getSelectedCells: sent to freed > object=0x9699b4 Some more info: usually happens after a quick succession of closing and opening (from the Mailboxes panel) various mailboxes. gdb backtrace: objc: FREED(id): message getSelectedCells: sent to freed object=0x510254 Program received signal 6, IOT trap 0x508faec in kill () (gdb) where #0 0x508faec in kill () #1 0x505611e in raise () #2 0x505a179 in abort () #3 0x5012614 in _objc_fatal () #4 0x50124e5 in __objc_error () #5 0x5010ebc in _freedHandler () #6 0x32e23d in ?? () #7 0x32cae7 in ?? () #8 0x501548f in -[Object perform:with:] () #9 0x601ef85 in -[Menu update] () #10 0x6024af4 in -[Application(WindowCache) updateWindowUsingCache] () #11 0x6024ed4 in -[Application updateWindows] () #12 0x6029fd4 in -[Application sendEvent:] () #13 0x60309fd in -[Application run] () #14 0x255d6 in main () #15 0x2938f in start () The following bundles were loaded when this happened: [Mail: Loading /LocalLibrary/Mail/Colorizer.bundle] [Mail: Loading /LocalLibrary/Mail/cryptor.bundle] [Mail: Loading /LocalLibrary/Mail/EnhanceMail.bundle] [Mail: Loading /LocalLibrary/Mail/ExtraCommands.bundle] [Mail: Loading /LocalLibrary/Mail/HTMLConverter.bundle] [Mail: Loading /LocalLibrary/Mail/Resend.bundle] [Mail: Loading /LocalLibrary/Mail/SunMessage.bundle] [Mail: Loading /LocalLibrary/Mail/Urlifier.bundle] -- __/__/__/__/ Tom Hageman <tom@basil.icce.rug.dev.null.nl> [NeXTmail/Mime OK] __/ __/_/ IC Group <tom@icgned.dev.null.nl> (work) __/__/__/ <<SPAMBLOCK: remove .dev.null to reply>> __/ _/_/ Confused? You won't be after the NeXT episode.
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Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. 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Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. 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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:36:58 -0600 From: nike@well.com Subject: NeXT Turbo Color: can't get into ROM monitor(!) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Message-ID: <876266766.2097@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service To: nike@well.com After powering on my color turbo, I received the 'testing system' message, immediately followed by a 'loading from network' message. I was not able to break into the ROM Monitor at either stage with command+~. (I have the new kybd with one command bar.) The only way to power cycle is with the power key. I have also tried: 1. placing my Openstep 4.1 install floppy in the fd drive, but it still yields the same result. 2. placing the Openstep cdrom in my external cdrom, with the same result. NOTE: It IS NOT plugged into a network. However, I do not hear the SCSI disk spin up, but why can't I still open the ROM Monitor? Any tips? I have searched the FAQ's and NeXTAnswers to no avail. TIA...please email (or Cc:) nike@well.com... -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 17:38:09 -0600 From: stark@easynet.fr Subject: DPT or kernel bug with read(2) ? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Message-ID: <876415637.31576@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service Ouch. I guess I lost several hours around a kernel or driver bug. Looks relatively big read(2) on raw devices forget to read end of data. My SCSI is a DPT 2022, driver version 4.03 folie# hostinfo Mach kernel version: NeXT Mach 4.2: Wed Apr 16 13:44:57 PDT 1997; root(rcbuilder):Objects/mk-183.34.obj~2/RELEASE_I386 Kernel configured for a single processor only. 1 processor is physically available. Processor type: I386 (Intel 486) Processor active: 0 Primary memory available: 128.00 megabytes. Default processor set: 85 tasks, 179 threads, 1 processors Load average: 0.20, Mach factor: 0.79 This does not hit /bin/dd (I guess it just cheat for big bs=xxx, but who knows, we have no strace on nextstep), but does bytes 'dd (GNU fileutils) 3.16' folie# which dd /bin/dd folie# dd if=/dev/rsd0h of=/tmp/f1 bs=1048576 count=1 1+0 records in 1+0 records out folie# dd if=/dev/rsd0h of=/tmp/f2 bs=524288 count=2 2+0 records in 2+0 records out folie# diff /tmp/f1 /tmp/f2 folie# folie# /usr/local/bin/dd --version dd (GNU fileutils) 3.16 folie# /usr/local/bin/dd if=/dev/rsd0h of=/tmp/f1 bs=1048576 count=1 1+0 records in 1+0 records out folie# /usr/local/bin/dd if=/dev/rsd0h of=/tmp/f2 bs=524288 count=2 2+0 records in 2+0 records out folie# diff /tmp/f1 /tmp/f2 Binary files /tmp/f1 and /tmp/f2 differ folie# For people that don't have gnu fileutils, here is a sample C file I used to narrow the bug. ---------------- CUT HERE -------------- #include #include #include /* usage: ./fred_read_test /dev/rsd0h 524288 */ int main( int argc, char **argv ) { int d = open( argv[1], O_RDONLY ); int theReadSize = atoi(argv[2]); char *p0 = malloc( theReadSize ); char *p1 = malloc( theReadSize ); int i; int theErrCount = 0; for (i=0;i!=theReadSize;i++) { p0[i] = 0; p0[i] = 1; } if (d==-1) { fprintf( stderr, "Cannot open file [%s]\n", argv[1] ); perror( "open" ); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } /* One shot read */ if (lseek( d, 0, SEEK_SET )==-1) { perror( "seek" ); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } if (read(d,p0,theReadSize)!=theReadSize) { fprintf( stderr, "While reading %d bytes\n", theReadSize ); perror( "read" ); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } /* Two shot read */ if (lseek( d, 0, SEEK_SET )==-1) { perror( "seek" ); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } if (read(d,p1,theReadSize/2)!=theReadSize/2) { fprintf( stderr, "While reading %d bytes\n", theReadSize/2 ); perror( "read" ); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } if (read(d,p1+theReadSize/2,(theReadSize+1)/2)!=(theReadSize+1)/2) { fprintf( stderr, "While reading %d bytes\n", (theReadSize+1)/2 ); perror( "read" ); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } /* Comparing */ for (i=0;i!=theReadSize;i++) if (*p0++!=*p1++) { printf( "[%d]", i ); theErrCount++; } if (theErrCount) printf( "\n%d bytes were not correctly read !!!!\n", theErrCount ); else printf( "No error - Done\n" ); return 0; } ------------------- CUT HERE --------------- Oh, boys, this scares me :-( Cheers --fred PS: If BugNeXT.app worked I may even have sent a bug report :-( PS/2: As I is really hard for me to read news (my provider's news server is down), I'd appreciate if you'd CC me any reply (remove the -nospam at the end of the adress) -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
From: william semonis<semonis@servcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <343b177b.2@aries.servcom.com> Control: cancel <343b177b.2@aries.servcom.com> Date: 10 Oct 97 16:37:15 GMT Organization: A-OnLine Information Services, Inc / Sinbad Network Communications Message-ID: <61lt2l$gkq$1@foghorn.aonline.com>
From: "Patrick McGowan" <patmvcr@rogers.wave.ca> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: PCI devices not seen by NS3.3 Date: 10 Oct 1997 19:18:12 GMT Organization: INCO Exploration Message-ID: <01bcd5b1$6ec71600$7c327118@patmvcr.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca> I have had NS3.3 running on my old desktop for a couple of years now. It co-exists with Win95. A month ago, I went online with a cable modem which connects to the machine via a PCI SMC card (EtherPower). The TCP/IP works fine in Win95, but I would like to get it up in NS3.3. Problem is, NS3.3 does not recognize the SMC card in the PCI slot. I also have a SCSI card (SymbiosLogic(NCR)810 based) in another PCI slot which is not recognized. The PCI ATI video works fine of course. All of these PCI devices are autosensed and work fine in Win95...why does NS3.3 only see the ATI PCI video card? Motherboard: "GIGABYTE GA-586AP"..90MHz Pentium BIOS: AwardModular 4.50G......ALI M1451B PCI-ISA v1.62 Network Card: SMC EtherPower SCSI card: NCR810 Patrick McGowan patmvcr@ibm.net
From: petcher@howdy.wustl.edu (Donald N. Petcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NeXT Turbo Color: can't get into ROM monitor(!) Date: 10 Oct 1997 22:09:39 GMT Organization: Washington University in St. Louis Message-ID: <61m933$q8v$1@newsreader.wustl.edu> References: <876266766.2097@dejanews.com> In article <876266766.2097@dejanews.com>, <nike@well.com> wrote: >After powering on my color turbo, I received the 'testing system' >message, immediately followed by a 'loading from network' message. >I was not able to break into the ROM Monitor at either stage with >command+~. (I have the new kybd with one command bar.) The only >way to power cycle is with the power key. > >I have also tried: > >1. placing my Openstep 4.1 install floppy in the fd drive, but it >still yields the same result. > >2. placing the Openstep cdrom in my external cdrom, with the same >result. > >NOTE: It IS NOT plugged into a network. > >However, I do not hear the SCSI disk spin up, but why can't I >still open the ROM Monitor? > >Any tips? I have searched the FAQ's and NeXTAnswers to no avail. > >TIA...please email (or Cc:) nike@well.com... > >-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I had this problem once. The problem was that I had a Turbo ADB machine (same as above - the one with the command bar) with ROM chips that were for a different system - say non-turbo or non-ADB ROMs, I forget which. You need v74 or later ROMs for the ROM monitor to work. Otherwise it just ignores the attempt to interrup the login sequence. Check your ROMs - the version should be written on the top of the chips - to see if this is your problem. --Don Petcher
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From: michael@nexus1.oche.de.NOSPAM (Michael Pieper, remove '.NOSPAM' for reply) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: PCI devices not seen by NS3.3 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 12 Oct 1997 20:24:55 GMT Organization: I.N.-Regionaldomain oche.de, Aachen, Germany Message-ID: <61rbmn$rdh$3@nexusgate.oche.de> References: <01bcd5b1$6ec71600$7c327118@patmvcr.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca> "Patrick McGowan" <patmvcr@rogers.wave.ca> wrote: >I have had NS3.3 running on my old desktop for a couple of years now. It >co-exists with Win95. A month ago, I went online with a cable modem which >connects to the machine via a PCI SMC card (EtherPower). The TCP/IP works >fine in Win95, but I would like to get it up in NS3.3. Problem is, NS3.3 >does not recognize the SMC card in the PCI slot. I also have a SCSI card >(SymbiosLogic(NCR)810 based) in another PCI slot which is not recognized. >The PCI ATI video works fine of course. All of these PCI devices are >autosensed and work fine in Win95...why does NS3.3 only see the ATI PCI >video card? > >Motherboard: "GIGABYTE GA-586AP"..90MHz Pentium >BIOS: AwardModular 4.50G......ALI M1451B PCI-ISA v1.62 >Network Card: SMC EtherPower >SCSI card: NCR810 > >Patrick McGowan >patmvcr@ibm.net Please, don't crosspost to several next groups (Followup-To c.s.n.h). Did you install any drivers for your PCI cards? At least the NCR810 should work with NS 3.3 with a driver supplied in NeXTAnswers. Michael -- Michael Pieper, Bluecherplatz 14, D-52068 Aachen, Tel. : +49 - (0)241 - 902455 Fax: +49 - (0)241 - 902456 Mail : michael @ nexus1.oche.de (NeXTmail and MIME welcome) PGP : Public Key on demand
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Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. 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To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: petcher@howdy.wustl.edu (Donald N. Petcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NeXT Turbo Color: can't get into ROM monitor(!) Date: 10 Oct 1997 22:09:39 GMT Organization: Washington University in St. Louis Message-ID: <61m933$q8v$1@newsreader.wustl.edu> References: <876266766.2097@dejanews.com> In article <876266766.2097@dejanews.com>, <nike@well.com> wrote: >After powering on my color turbo, I received the 'testing system' >message, immediately followed by a 'loading from network' message. >I was not able to break into the ROM Monitor at either stage with >command+~. (I have the new kybd with one command bar.) The only >way to power cycle is with the power key. > >I have also tried: > >1. placing my Openstep 4.1 install floppy in the fd drive, but it >still yields the same result. > >2. placing the Openstep cdrom in my external cdrom, with the same >result. > >NOTE: It IS NOT plugged into a network. > >However, I do not hear the SCSI disk spin up, but why can't I >still open the ROM Monitor? > >Any tips? I have searched the FAQ's and NeXTAnswers to no avail. > >TIA...please email (or Cc:) nike@well.com... > >-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet I had this problem once. The problem was that I had a Turbo ADB machine (same as above - the one with the command bar) with ROM chips that were for a different system - say non-turbo or non-ADB ROMs, I forget which. You need v74 or later ROMs for the ROM monitor to work. Otherwise it just ignores the attempt to interrup the login sequence. Check your ROMs - the version should be written on the top of the chips - to see if this is your problem. --Don Petcher
From: Axel Habermann <kiwi@saljut.fb10.tu-berlin.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: HELP: Freezing when scrolling Date: 18 Oct 1997 20:39:17 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <62b6pl$c1k$1@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <34493b90.1215127@news.oanet.com> Joseph King <jking@oznewmedia.com> wrote: : Problem: : The OS will completely freeze, at random, when scrolling in a window. : Happens under digital librarian and the Omniweb browser. Only way to : recover is to restart the machine with the power button. Check your video ram mapping in Configure.app. If it's below 64 M, you'll have problems. Put it on the end of the address space, like 0xff000000 If this is not the problem, post more about your config. HTH -- Axel Habermann kiwi@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296 Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist, haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <4564876628829@digifix.com> Date: 19 Oct 1997 03:48:52 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <21870877233630@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com )
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Warning: FileMover Change in behavior Date: 19 Oct 1997 17:14:08 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <62df50$j$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I mentioned this awhile ago, a it has just bitten me big-time. If you are MOVING files from A to B and one of the files in A is already in B it will say Skip Stop Replace I chose 'Skip' and the file was DELETED. 4.1/Intel This was easily repeatable. I consider this a HUGE AND IMPORTANT BUG. 'skip' should mean the file is LEFT ALONE. Reported to bug_next TjL ps -- this was a 'forced move' with command-drag -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: Chuck Swiger <cswiger@blacksmith.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Warning: FileMover Change in behavior Date: 20 Oct 1997 15:43:04 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Message-ID: <62fu68$kgt$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <62df50$j$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) wrote: > > I mentioned this awhile ago, a it has just bitten me big-time. > > If you are MOVING files from A to B and one of the files in A is already in B > it will say > > Skip Stop Replace > > I chose 'Skip' and the file was DELETED. > > 4.1/Intel > > This was easily repeatable. I consider this a HUGE AND IMPORTANT BUG. > 'skip' should mean the file is LEFT ALONE. Hmm. I tried to reproduce this under OS 4.2/Intel, and it gave me the correct behavior I'd expect: ie, it didn't change the version in the B directory, and it left the duplicate file in A untouched, while deleting everything else. Maybe it could be related to a permissions problem on file(s) in B? -Chuck Charles Swiger | cswiger@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+------------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist.
From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Warning: FileMover Change in behavior Date: 20 Oct 1997 22:25:28 GMT Organization: none Message-ID: <62gloo$elk$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <62df50$j$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <62fu68$kgt$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cswiger@blacksmith.com In <62fu68$kgt$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> Chuck Swiger wrote: > Hmm. I tried to reproduce this under OS 4.2/Intel, and it gave me the > correct behavior I'd expect: ie, it didn't change the version in the B directory, > and it left the duplicate file in A untouched, while deleting everything else. > > Maybe it could be related to a permissions problem on file(s) in B? Not likely. B was on a removable SyQuest drive that I owned. That might have something to do with it. Can you try this scenario? Dir A on Drive1 Dir B on Drive2 A `drag' operation would default to 'copy' rather than 'move'. Hold down the 'command key' to FORCE a move. In that situation, the SKIPPED file is deleted -- perhaps an OS bug which expects that it was only doing a COPY and not a MOVE?? TjL -- My FROM address is fake. It does not exist. It never has. It is not even currently possibly real. I'll check back for followups. This is the ``least-worst'' solution to dealing with spammers. Remove spaces luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org
From: zalta@mally.Stanford.EDU (Edward N. Zalta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Warning: gnutar/mv/gzip script causes system crash (any ideas?) Date: 22 Oct 1997 21:19:32 GMT Message-ID: <62lql4$o93$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> I run NeXTSTEP3.3 on a Color Turbo with 128 MB RAM. My home directory is 60 MB and gets incrementally back'ed up on tape each night by a backup daemon located on another machine. However, since the tapes are in another building, I use a local script to make a copy of my home directory on my external drive each night (for easier retrieval). This simple backup script has been crashing the machine. To make it easier on my cpu, I use a script that backs up all the directories except the 30 MB Mailboxes subdirectory, and a script that backs up all the rest (the second script calls gnutar with the -X option to exclude the Mailboxes directory). The second script that backs up everything *except* Mailboxes works fine. However, I can reproduce a crash when I run the first script on the Mailboxes directory. The script is: > #!/bin/sh > > cd /backup/users/zalta > /bin/mv -f Mailboxes.tar.gz Mailboxes.old.tar.gz > cd /users/zalta > gnutar cf /tmp/Mailboxes.tar Mailboxes > /bin/mv -f /tmp/Mailboxes.tar /backup/users/zalta > cd /backup/users/zalta > gzip Mailboxes.tar This causes the system to crash when I have 10-15 apps (including Mail.app) running in the background (the script runs at night when I am away from my desk). I get a System Panic box, the final lines of which are: > called from pc 0x04001eaa fp 0x10216b24 4-args 102 > 16aec 111f7000 040b4390 00000002 > called from pc 0x03ffd2e0 fp 0x03fff718 4-args 00000000 8c1e0090 > 4376000 02000000 > last fp 0x3fff 718 > > panic: (Cpu 0) MMU invalid descriptor during table walk > > NeXT ROM Monitor 3.3 v74 > panic: NeXT Mach 3.3 [...] > > Killing all processes [Mail: caught signal #15; terminating safely] Of course, the system doesn't shutdown nicely; in fact I have to unplug the machine to get it to restart (cmd-alt-backquote has no effect, nor does the power button annd return). Does anyone have any ideas what is going on? Thanks for your replies. Ed -- Edward N. Zalta Senior Research Scholar, Center for the Study of Language and Information Consulting Associate Professor, Department of Philosophy Stanford University Home Page URL = http://mally.stanford.edu/zalta.html
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From: Charles Wiles <get_lost@all.spammers> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NeXT Turbo Color: can't get into ROM monitor(!) Date: 17 Oct 1997 16:56:57 GMT Organization: Physics Teaching Course, Oxford Message-ID: <6285cp$n79$1@news.ox.ac.uk> References: <876266766.2097@dejanews.com> nike@well.com wrote: > After powering on my color turbo, I received the 'testing system' > message, immediately followed by a 'loading from network' message. > I was not able to break into the ROM Monitor at either stage with > command+~. (I have the new kybd with one command bar.) The only > way to power cycle is with the power key. > Any tips? I have searched the FAQ's and NeXTAnswers to no avail. On an ADB NeXT keyboard you normally need to use: [Command]+[Left-Alt]+~ Also, I find you sometimes have to repeat this key combination several times towards the end of the "Testing System" message, before the ROM Monitor window appears. regards, charles _______________________________________________________________________ Charles Wiles, NeXT/Unix Systems Manager, Physics Practical Course Dept of Physics NAPL, University of Oxford UK charles @ teaching. physics. ox. ac. uk
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <21870877233630@digifix.com> Date: 26 Oct 1997 03:48:41 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Message-ID: <13622877838422@digifix.com> Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. 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From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: cmsg cancel <261097003806@cruises-for-you5.com> Date: 26 Oct 1997 06:25:27 GMT Control: cancel <261097003806@cruises-for-you5.com> Message-ID: <cancel.261097003806@cruises-for-you5.com> Sender: "CRUISES" cruises@cruises-for-you5.com Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com
From: rworne@primenet.com (Robert Worne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Warning: gnutar/mv/gzip script causes system crash (any ideas?) Date: 26 Oct 1997 02:51:00 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Message-ID: <62v3q4$ror@nntp02.primenet.com> References: <62lql4$o93$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: zalta@mally.Stanford.EDU In <62lql4$o93$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Edward N. Zalta wrote: > Of course, the system doesn't shutdown nicely; in fact I have to > unplug the machine to get it to restart (cmd-alt-backquote has no > effect, nor does the power button annd return). > > Does anyone have any ideas what is going on? > Thanks for your replies. Sorry, no solution to the panic, but... You can save some wear and tear on your machine by doing a three-finger salute: Alt--Command --* It won't save a fsck session, but it beats yanking the cord. -- //-----------------------------------------------------------------// Starving CS Undergrad: "Sorry, I don't do Windows I'd rather starve!" //-----------------------------------------------------------------// Visit my videogame collecting site! http://www.primenet.com/~rworne/
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From: Barry Leslie <Barry.Leslie@snap.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Installer Trashed System.framwork Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:38:09 +0100 Organization: snap.de Message-ID: <3455C084.1479@snap.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: comp.sys.next.misc, comp.sys.next.sysadmin, comp.sys.next.programmer I use to have OpenStep 4.2 installed and running where I was doing development work until I decided to install the PDO developer libs. I already had the Intel libs so when the installer asked which versions I wanted I checked only the PDO versions. The installer then went off and trashed my System.framwork so that nothing worked any more. I thought that I could boot off the install CD but of course the install CD only wants to install. WHAT A F&%KING SYSTEM! I am now reinstalling the OS. Oh what fun. As I watch the OS try to install as I write this I notice that it is getting read errors from the CD. What A piece of SH?T! Barry Leslie
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