#################################################################### From: mark@oaai.com Subject: Re: Can this problem be avoided ? Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:51:08 -0600 Message-ID: <883521592.687013892@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail References: <68b5s3$nkl@newsb.netnews.att.com> X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 30 22:39:52 1997 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: mark@oaai.com X-Http-User-Agent: OmniWeb/3.0-beta-3 OWF/2.0 X-Originating-IP-Addr: 199.166.28.1 () Lines: 126 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:91472 comp.sys.next.programmer:27292 comp.lang.objective-c:6676 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:315627 In article <68b5s3$nkl@newsb.netnews.att.com>, gupta@kcopsrm.tm.tta.moc-mirror after @ wrote: > > http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/1229/29mmyhr.html > has an interview with Nathan Myhrvold, who head the > research division of Microsoft. > > Some quotes that I think are worthy of discussion are : > > MYHRVOLD : > > A few years ago, people were > excited about object-oriented programming. But whereas > people said that it will make programming so easy that > anyone can do it, in fact, what it did is it allowed people to > make more complex programs. I was talking to Bill about > this recently. And we were looking at projections for how > many lines of code our various products would have in > another five years. And of course projections were > gigantic. > > PC WEEK: So the code base will continue to grow? > > MYHRVOLD: > > Everyone's code base grows. In fact, it > turns out that new applications grow faster than old ones. > So if you look at the explosion in the size of browsers, both > Netscape's and Microsoft's, they are expanding into a > vacuum. Because they're not done yet. Browsers are > incredibly primitive pieces of software. I browse with either > an open Word window, or sometimes a sheet of paper, and > I write things down that are interesting. Because there is > no way in the browser of keeping track of the stuff you'd > like to keep track of. All those broken links. We, the > industry, will come up with ways of surmounting all that. > It's going to take code. It's going to take a lot of code. > > ******** It sure looks like it's being avoided here in the OPENSTEP world. The tools are here, and to be sure not everyone uses them correctly, but we virtually make a business of taking people's existing applications and reducing them sometimes to a quarter or less their original size, with more functionality to boot! A dynamic Object-oriented programming language has the potential, if used to the fullest, of significantly reducing the size of applications: Consider the Enterprise Objects framework for example, or just a piece of it like the interface layer of the most recent revision. Using EOF, you can wire together - completely codelessly - incredibly complex interfaces. The key here is that by using the dynamic Objective C runtime, and through the use of patterns like delegation, the EOF designers have targetted an area that in typical applications takes up reams of code, and virtually eliminated it. The EOF interface layer acts as an almost completely generic controller in the Model-View-Controller architecture. Couple this to an already pretty complete interface layer, and all that's really left to code is the model layer, or business objects. If you can identify areas of an application where you're spending a great deal of code, then you can target them and with an appropriate abstraction, eliminate incredible amounts of code. Dynamic OO helps here because you can program at the "meta-layer" where you "build objects that help objects." And with OPENSTEP and Objective C in particular, you also have incredible latitude in how "close to the metal" you go in your design - frameworks like EOF for instance require that you take every advantage of all of the facilities of the C language to make things run quickly enough. You're certainly not going to be seeing a 100% pure Java implementation of EOF anytime soon, that's for sure (hey- we even tried it a while ago, so I speak with some authority!). Another example of targetting one's abstractions is the WebObjects framework. If you look at a typical CGI-based Web application, you'll note that an incredible amount of code is spent managing application state. Identify the problem and target it - create an abstraction of application state that eliminates this complexity and code - this is what the WOApplication and WOSession objects do. I'm actually pleased to see that there's at least one more thing that Microsoft "doesn't get" beyond network operating systems. If their alpha geek is all caught up in the "inevitability" of the astronomical growth of their codebase, then I'd say they've made their bed and they should begin to prepare to lie in it... Cheers, Mark > > 1. On my Win95 PC, along with some 400 .exes, there are some 900+ .dlls. > It suggests to me that not a lot of shared libraries are actually > shared. > > 2. Likewise, perhaps, Microsoft's OO design is not producing a lot of > reused components. > > 3. Consider Myhrvold's browser example. In principle at > least, you can drag anything that you find interesting from > Cyberdog and drop it into another Opendoc document, which could > contain your own notes, images, video clips, etc. The point is > not that Opendoc was or could have been great; it is that with the > right componentization, one gets a great deal of functionality without > a great deal of extra code. Each component of the browser would have > to be opendoc-ified, but that should be it. > > 4. As Microsoft's code base expands, it will be increasingly difficult to > maintain and enhance. If somebody knows how to do things better, > it would seem to me that this would be an enormous competitive edge, > in a few years time, i.e., software that might actually work. > To keep 5 million lines of code working is no joke. > > 5. If the code base expansion is inevitable and nobody can avoid it, > then either our computer systems reach terminal complexity (which > I define as a state where you can't fix one bug without introducing > another) or a paradigm shift has to take place. I've come to call this the code's "critical mass," BTW. > -arun gupta -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ix.netcom.com!not-for-mail From: Jonathan Hendry Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Can this problem be avoided ? Date: 31 Dec 1997 02:51:15 GMT Organization: Steel Driving Software, Chicago Lines: 16 Sender: Jonathan Hendry Message-ID: <68cbv3$gp6@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <68b5s3$nkl@newsb.netnews.att.com> <883521592.687013892@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chi-il14-36.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Dec 30 6:51:15 PM PST 1997 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 970622] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:91503 comp.sys.next.programmer:27293 comp.lang.objective-c:6677 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:315722 mark@oaai.com wrote: > I'm actually pleased to see that there's at least one more thing that > Microsoft "doesn't get" beyond network operating systems. If their alpha > geek is all caught up in the "inevitability" of the astronomical growth > of their codebase, then I'd say they've made their bed and they should > begin to prepare to lie in it... That would be the optimal interpretation. I'm increasingly believing that any public statements by Microsoft personnel are carefully crafted to serve a definite purpose, with that purpose often being to mislead competitors, or lull them into a false sense of security. 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Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: ncftp 3.0 beta for NeXTStep/OpenStep Date: 1 Jan 1998 04:06:16 GMT Organization: none Lines: 33 Message-ID: <68f4no$1ja$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: dwy@ace.net I've seen ncftp 3.x compiled for Rhapsody, but haven't been able to get it to compile for NS/OS. ./configure said: grep: /usr/include/sys/types.h: No such file or directory checking for 64-bit integral type: long long... yes checking how to print a 64-bit integral type... cannot print checking how to scan a 64-bit integral type... cannot scan When I tried 'make' it dumped at: ftp.c:698: illegal function call, found `PRINTF_LONG_LONG' make[1]: *** [ftp.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/Users/luomat/MyLibrary/Downloads/ncftp-3.0beta7/libncftp' make: *** [all] Error 2 Anyone got this working? 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Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!EU.net!chsun!news.eunet.ch!not-for-mail From: geroldr@webshuttle.ch (Gerold Rupprecht) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Newbie to C++ on NeXTstep Motorola ver 3.1 Date: 2 Jan 1998 18:59:59 GMT Organization: EUnet AG Lines: 31 Message-ID: <68jdff$nmr$1@news.eunet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna-age-10.dial.eunet.ch X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Has anyone got c++ to compile? I have done the traditional hello world as follows: #include main() { cout << "Hello World!\n"; } I save this in the file named Hello.cc To compile I use the following command cc -o Hello Hello.cc This results in the following errors ld: Undefined symbols: _cout ___ls__7ostreamPCc Can anyone give me some suggestions? Thankyou -- Gerold Rupprecht Consultant: NeXTSTEP/ Openstep/Databases Financial applications 3 rue Louis Curval CH-1206 Geneva Switzerland Tel. (41)(22)347 73 96 Fax. (41)(22)347 73 96 by arrangement email: geroldr@webshuttle.ch #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!not-for-mail From: mbessey@apple.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: basic Objective-C question... Date: 2 Jan 1998 19:08:32 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <68jdvg$ilu$1@news.apple.com> References: <199712291046562341590N@[222.223.224.4]> Reply-To: MaRK_BeSSeY@aPPLe.CoM NNTP-Posting-Host: rhine.apple.com Michael Balle writes > Having not used makefiles for a very long time, thanks to metrowerks, is > there a way that you can specify the -ObjC++ setting, so that it works > for all new projects created in project builder?, or do I just change > one of the makefile templates for each project. If you're going to be using ProjectBuilder anyway, you should just use the M extension on your source files. That's the easiest solution. You can add -Objc++ to the "compiler options" in the project's build attributes inspector, but that doesn't seem to work. Both the -objC and -objC++ options get passed to the compiler, and -objC wins. You could edit the makefiles in /NextDeveloper/Makefiles/pb_makefiles directory to change the default CFLAGS to include -ObjC++. Not a job for the faint of heart, though... -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<-- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.20.0.50!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!mpaque From: Mike Paquette Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: using Obj-C under openstep/rhapsody for command line programs... Date: Thu, 01 Jan 98 16:39:57 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: <980101163444-mpaque@wco.com> References: Reply-To: mpaque@wco.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phoenix86.wco.com X-To: chad@pengar.com (Chad Leigh) X-Newsreader: rnMac v2.0d17 In article of group comp.sys.next.programmer, Chad Leigh writes: > I was doing WebObjects (compiled ObjC) but am now working on OpenStep > programs without WO. I have need for server/daemon type programs that run > on the command line or similar without any UI elements at all but that use > the Foundation. What do I need to do to make this sort of program? It > looks like an "application" is a UI based open step program. > > I am confused on how to start. My simple program replaced the > NSApplication call in the main() function with my own code that allocated > an object and an NSRunLoop (for handling connections) and it seemed to > sort of run but I got (On Rhapsody DR1/PPC NSAutoreleasepool errors (no > pool) and on NT with OS 4.2 (WWDC release from last year) I got no errors > but it died on end of run etc. That's pretty close. In your main(), create an NSAutoreleasePool before allocating any other objects. Then, construct your objects and the server run loop. On returning from the server's run loop, release the autorelease pool and exit. The exact nature of the server run loop can vary wildly, depending on whether you are building a single or multi-threaded server, as well as other design considerations. The major item to avoid all those runtime warnings and weirdness is to get that default autorelease pool set up early. Mike Paquette mpaque@wco.com "Troubled Apple Computer" and the "Troubled Apple" logo are trade and service marks of Apple Computer, Inc. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.22.194.4!masternews.telia.net!newspost.telia.com!newsfeed101.telia.com!d2o101.telia.com!miba From: miba@adr.dk (Michael) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: basic Objective-C question... Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:30:21 +0100 Organization: Telia Internet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <19980102213021108010@t5o101p19.telia.com> References: <3320bdbc.1382405@news1.lig.bellsouth.net> <34A141BD.C9B4E821@ml.com> <67rld9$11si$1@news.apple.com> <199712291046562341590N@[222.223.224.4]> <68jdvg$ilu$1@news.apple.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d2o101.telia.com X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.2.1 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: t5o101p19.telia.com Mark Bessey wrote: > If you're going to be using ProjectBuilder anyway, you should just use the > M extension on your source files. That's the easiest solution. You can > add -Objc++ to the "compiler options" in the project's build attributes > inspector, but that doesn't seem to work. Both the -objC and -objC++ > options get passed to the compiler, and -objC wins. > > You could edit the makefiles in /NextDeveloper/Makefiles/pb_makefiles > directory to change the default CFLAGS to include -ObjC++. Not a job for > the faint of heart, though... Thanks for the tip. I did try the "compiler options" in the project inspector, but as you say, it doesn't work. The M thing seems to work, but you quickly run into name mangling problems, like if you call "NSLog(...)". Then you have to start doing the "extern "C"" thing, which is not much fun ;-) There aught to be an easy way to enable the Obj-C compiler for all ".m" files. All I really wan't is the ability to do local declarations. When you got Obj-C, who needs C++. 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Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!psinntp!news.ml.com!not-for-mail From: "John M. Saxton, Jr." Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.lang.basic.misc,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.rexx,comp.lang.tcl,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows,comp.object,comp.os.geos.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.services,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc Subject: Re: HARDWARE ENGINEERS (ELECTRICAL) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 07:23:30 -0500 Organization: Computer Programming Unlimited, Inc. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <34ACDC42.5BDB4DAA@nospam.com> References: <686cp4$gum$33@jefferson.lisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.177.181.15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.newton.misc:128409 comp.sys.next.programmer:27299 comp.sys.sun.wanted:25383 comp.unix.programmer:61557 comp.unix.questions:89009 comp.lang.basic.misc:42821 comp.lang.python:29181 comp.lang.rexx:20968 comp.lang.tcl:76047 comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:57189 comp.object:65011 comp.os.geos.misc:4408 comp.os.linux.advocacy:158790 comp.os.linux.development.apps:46413 comp.os.linux.hardware:102814 comp.os.linux.misc:232496 comp.os.linux.networking:106180 comp.os.linux.setup:152881 comp.os.linux.x:84184 comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:230700 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:85576 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:215306 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.services:11547 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:296237 After having looked through many of your posts I noticed that salaries are listed as open. Are they really open or is there a range? More likely than not there is a range. If they are open I would like to apply for every job with a required salary of 1 million dollars.... please. This is typical recruiter BS! Why don't you just stop wasting time and bandwidth and post the rate when you post a job! Donatech Corporation wrote: > * * * * HARDWARE ENGINEERS * * * > (ELECTRICAL) > > Job Description: > Hardware engineers (electrical) needed to design and implement testing of > electronic circuits--avionics. Applications are 1553 and Arinc 429. > Digital and Analog I/O. Midlevel skill level and must be an independent > worker. > > Skills Required: > > * Midlevel skill level > > Title: Hardware Engineer > Job Location: Cedar Rapids, IA > Start Date: Immediate > Duration: Contract > Rate/Salary: Open > > Company Profile: > > Donatech Corporation provides a wide range of software engineering services > to Fortune 500 companies, focusing on telecommunications, > information systems, avionics and industrial electronics, > including contract, placement, and engineering services. We are committed > to making every project a success. > > For immediate consideration please send your resume in confidence to: > > Job # 1231 > Donatech Corporation > P.O. Box 830 > Fairfield, IA 52556 > E-mail: jobs@donatech.com > Fax: (515) 472-6244 > Tel: (800) 328-2133 > > Donatech is a Equal Opportunity Employer. -- This bit of nonsense brought to you by the annoying spammers who like to troll the news groups for new people to annoy. Protect yourself and obfuscate your email address. Return address is John underscore Saxton at ML dot com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!news.iez.com!news.phil.uni-sb.de!news.coli.uni-sb.de!fu-berlin.de!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!207.12.55.133.MISMATCH!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.208.45.33!newsfeeds.interaccess.com!not-for-mail From: olczyk@iunderaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.computer.consultants.ads,alt.games.final-fantasy,alt.irc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.lang.basic.misc,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.rexx,comp.lang.tcl,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows,comp.object,comp.os.geos.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.services,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc Subject: Re: Software Engineers Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 01:52:38 GMT Organization: InterAccess Co., Chicago's Full Service Internet Provider Lines: 5 Message-ID: <34a701db.33951616@nntp.interaccess.com> References: <686fgc$gum$162@jefferson.lisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d246.cloud.interaccess.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:43558 alt.computer.consultants.ads:210634 alt.games.final-fantasy:79365 alt.irc:93388 comp.sys.newton.misc:128431 comp.sys.next.programmer:27300 comp.sys.sun.wanted:25384 comp.unix.programmer:61564 comp.unix.questions:89012 comp.lang.basic.misc:42827 comp.lang.python:29187 comp.lang.rexx:20972 comp.lang.tcl:76049 comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:57199 comp.object:65014 comp.os.geos.misc:4418 comp.os.linux.advocacy:158837 comp.os.linux.development.apps:46420 comp.os.linux.hardware:102831 comp.os.linux.misc:232524 comp.os.linux.networking:106196 comp.os.linux.setup:152924 comp.os.linux.x:84191 comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:230735 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:85613 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:215325 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.software.services:11548 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:296272 Well, one more employment agency/consulting company etc. to avoid. ---------------------------- Thaddeus L. Olczyk (to reply send to interaccess.com instead of underaccess.com) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <68l3lg$4ru$1@fox.dpliv.com> Control: cancel <68l3lg$4ru$1@fox.dpliv.com> Date: 03 Jan 1998 10:11:07 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: capmaster@fox.dpliv.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.254.2!fox.dpliv.com!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Virtual Pet X-Original-Date: 3 Jan 1998 04:24:48 -0600 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.dpliv.com X-Original-From: sales@dino-g.com X-CosmoTraq: ,;!A1N6,:U;`'!T@M^US>;`UXAMV2C?UOPNA6`TA>?)K94#L">U)_T@% X-Cancel-ID: UMR![&-V)>!A@9;(5VH!]08,L1R3IE40D;'&^(>:,24V/.%,P]:%0,'A X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!news.net.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!michael From: michael@ninebits.com (Michael Balle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: basic Objective-C question... Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 10:52:10 +0100 Organization: Nine Bits Lines: 16 Message-ID: <199712291046562341590N@[222.223.224.4]> References: <3320bdbc.1382405@news1.lig.bellsouth.net> <34A141BD.C9B4E821@ml.com> <67rld9$11si$1@news.apple.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kbh44.ppp.uni2.dk X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3b5 (unregistered for 54 days) Having not used makefiles for a very long time, thanks to metrowerks, is there a way that you can specify the -ObjC++ setting, so that it works for all new projects created in project builder?, or do I just change one of the makefile templates for each project. thanks Michael Mark Bessey wrote: > I wonder if using the Objective-C++ compiler would allow you to do this? > (runs off to check) > Yes, that works. The compiler option for Objective-C++ is -ObjC++, or you > can just name your source files with a .M extension (that's a captial M). > > -Mark #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: F.Knobloch@inis.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: basic Objective-C question... Date: 29 Dec 1997 11:44:41 GMT Organization: Customer of UUNET Germany; Info: info@de.uu.net Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6882f9$89f$1@goof.de.uu.net> References: <3320bdbc.1382405@news1.lig.bellsouth.net> <34A141BD.C9B4E821@ml.com> <67rld9$11si$1@news.apple.com> <199712291046562341590N@[222.223.224.4]> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.155.96.86 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) >Having not used makefiles for a very long time, thanks to metrowerks, is >there a way that you can specify the -ObjC++ setting, so that it works for >all new projects created in project builder?, or do I just change one of the >makefile templates for each project. If you are using PDO for Solaris and you want to use mixed Obj-C and C++ Sources, you only have to name your file to myFile.M, so there will be included the right Makefiles. Hope this helps Frank -- // InIS * Innovative Informationssysteme GmbH [Addr.: Ludwig-Erhard-Str. 4 ~ D-34131 Kassel] [Tel..: ++49-561-93284-00, Fax: ++49-561-93284-99] [Mail.: F.Knobloch@inis.de, Web: www.inis.de] // Never trust existing sources! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.41.128.6!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: Bill Keller Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: WebObject docs Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:17:42 -0600 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34AEC716.4F9AD485@tulsamovies.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: swnas2-34.ionet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Howdy all. I'm looking for the web page documentation for WebObjects 3.0. The stuff on Apple now appears to be for 3.5, and since I have 3.0, that doesn't do me a whole lot of good. I know that most of the stuff is the same, but..... If anyone has got that lying around somewhere, or knows where I can get it, I would appreciate it. Thanks! Bill Keller (bkeller@tulsamovies.com) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <68mr35$b3$1@fox.dpliv.com> Control: cancel <68mr35$b3$1@fox.dpliv.com> Date: 04 Jan 1998 02:09:37 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: capmaster@fox.dpliv.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.254.2!fox.dpliv.com!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Virtual Pet X-Original-Date: 3 Jan 1998 20:10:45 -0600 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.dpliv.com X-Original-From: sales@dino-g.com X-CosmoTraq: (5!Q1M4\R_;`'`T`)STR>)'D`\JFBJ?U#RN025PQ"9,[=0#L8 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <34aea5ec.1@london.netkonect.net> Control: cancel <34aea5ec.1@london.netkonect.net> Date: 04 Jan 1998 04:13:50 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: Ian Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!netkonect!london.netkonect.net!isherwood.netkonect.co.uk X-Original-Subject: `Free Live Saucy Chat! 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Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news.idt.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <343883285229@digifix.com> Date: 4 Jan 1998 04:58:53 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 330 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <21230883890024@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:91739 comp.sys.next.announce:4517 comp.sys.next.hardware:31854 comp.sys.next.software:32072 comp.sys.next.misc:27386 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29349 comp.sys.next.bugs:4662 comp.sys.next.programmer:27304 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!paperboy01.iconnet.net!news.mcleodusa.net!news From: "Michelle L. Buck" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Openstep Windows NT/95 display update Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:00:44 -0600 Organization: McleodUSA - http://www.mcleodusa.net Lines: 27 Message-ID: <68omcs$89m1@odie.mcleod.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213-A-37-115.ppp.mcleodusa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I need some help. I have an application that produces animated displays. The software works great on Openstep for Mach. On NT and 95, I get bizarre display update problems. Essentially, the application is producing new images faster than they are flushed to screen. New images do get to the screen (just not fast enough). The new images are apparently queued. The queue gets deeper and deeper consuming more and more memory until the application crashes. If the animation is paused before a crash, the queued images keep right on coming for many seconds (event minutes). If after the display has finally stopped changing the animation is restarted, the queue builds again. This is not a window flushing issue. Everything works on Mach, and -flushWindow, PSWait(), etc. have no effect. The symptom is that the Postscript server is done (having rendered an image) and Windows can not flush the image to screen before Postscript has produced another one. Different graphics cards show this problem to different degrees. To see this for yourself, use the Lines example program. Enlarge the window until it covers most of the screen. Make sure you have lots of vertices in the Polly-line that is drawn. Watch and wait. The bigger the area that needs to be flushed to the screen, the worse the queuing will get. So... how to I change this behavior. Can I reduce the process priority of the Postscript server ? Is there some windows function I can call to wait until the image is REALLY displayed ? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!IN-Berlin.DE!palumbia.in-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Henrik Hempelmann Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: ncftp 3.0 beta for NeXTStep/OpenStep Date: 4 Jan 1998 20:32:59 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Networks Lines: 15 Message-ID: <68oo5b$e7m$1@hh.home.netcs.com> References: <68f4no$1ja$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Reply-To: marsu@in-berlin.de NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.48.224.179 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS writes: >I've seen ncftp 3.x compiled for Rhapsody, but haven't been able to get it to >compile for NS/OS. ncftp-3 is a posix tool, so it's a lot to do before it will compile successfully. I've it running here, but it crashes while quitting in a simple fprintf(fp,"string") ... :-( Henrik -- Henrik Hempelmann marsu@in-berlin.de (NeXT/MIME/PGP-Mail) http://home.pages.de/~marsu/ individual network berlin - internet von privat fuer privat #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: ncftp 3.0 beta for NeXTStep/OpenStep Date: 4 Jan 1998 20:49:04 GMT Organization: none Lines: 18 Message-ID: <68osk0$chv$16@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <68f4no$1ja$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <68oo5b$e7m$1@hh.home.netcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: marsu@in-berlin.de In <68oo5b$e7m$1@hh.home.netcs.com> Henrik Hempelmann wrote: > ncftp-3 is a posix tool, so it's a lot to do before it will compile > successfully. I've it running here, but it crashes while quitting > in a simple fprintf(fp,"string") ... :-( Well, Frank Siegert was nice enough to compile it, but the author has taken away the curses interface, which was IMO the best part about it, so I've gone back to 2.4.2 TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.eerie.fr!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.seicom.net!not-for-mail From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: ncftp 3.0 beta for NeXTStep/OpenStep Date: 4 Jan 1998 21:20:14 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <68ouee$3jc$1@news.seicom.net> References: <68f4no$1ja$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <68oo5b$e7m$1@hh.home.netcs.com> <68osk0$chv$16@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: miranda.burn.this.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: In <68osk0$chv$16@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > In <68oo5b$e7m$1@hh.home.netcs.com> Henrik Hempelmann wrote: > > > ncftp-3 is a posix tool, so it's a lot to do before it will compile > > successfully. I've it running here, but it crashes while quitting > > in a simple fprintf(fp,"string") ... :-( > > Well, Frank Siegert was nice enough to compile it, but the author has taken > away the curses interface, which was IMO the best part about it, so I've gone > back to 2.4.2 Fetch it from http://www.this.net/~frank/download.html It was compiled on 3.3 without POSIX, I applied some patches to it to get around some problems (with long long variable stuff) on NS 3.3. It seems to run fine. I will only provide a binary as the version release is not fixed (still beta). The crash Henrik does describe is caused by the 'setvbuf()' call on the trace FILE *stream. 'fclose()' wants to free the buffer on close but in ncftp 3.0 beta it is a static buffer... so *BOOM*. But this is only a tiny part of the problems... -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net/~frank * NeXTSTEP, IRIX, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <68p68v$e49$1@fox.dpliv.com> Control: cancel <68p68v$e49$1@fox.dpliv.com> Date: 04 Jan 1998 23:09:04 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: capmaster@fox.dpliv.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.254.2!fox.dpliv.com!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Virtual Pet X-Original-Date: 4 Jan 1998 17:33:51 -0600 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.dpliv.com X-Original-From: sales@dino-g.com X-CosmoTraq: 49#Q5@7<"Z:07%W1QORSJ!$%0VL7^_:U3TOQ:"P`6-([15#D49UAEU@5 X-Cancel-ID: ,CAVX6%T&M6]W?*^LL7W46)HIA&1I$H%[0TB[N+U)X&2F-9!P=1Z-1T] X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Display update problems with NT/95 Date: 31 Dec 1997 17:06:49 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 19 Message-ID: <68du39$ksj$3@news.idiom.com> References: <68blrr$ako1@odie.mcleod.net> Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: buck.erik@mcleod.net In <68blrr$ako1@odie.mcleod.net> "Michelle L. Buck" wrote: -> I need some help. I think you're basically hosed unless you can get your hands on the DPS or NSWindow sources for the win32 implementation. This is an issue that arises right at the interface of OpenStep and Windoze. You might be able to do some kind of hack where you figure out how long it takes to render your images, and also figure out how fast the cpu is, and then just throttle your drawing speed by having it invoked by an NSTimer instead of just drawing as fast as you can. -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!207.41.200.131.MISMATCH!news-pen-1.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.156.128.20!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: I know YOU can solve this problem! Date: 31 Dec 1997 17:23:21 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 56 Message-ID: <68dv29$ksj$4@news.idiom.com> References: <68blpb$660@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: mtrombin@ix.netcom.com In <68blpb$660@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> Mark Trombino wrote: -> I've been going in circles trying to figure this out but I'm no closer now -> than I was when I started. -> Is there any explanation for this? Please, if you have an idea, send it my -> way! -> -> Thanks in advance! -> -> --- -> Mark Trombino -> mtrombin@ix.netcom.com (NEXTMail, MIME Mail okay) -> -> The problem is, you have to return from your : -> - (void)sendMail -> { -> [self displayMessage:@"Sending queued mail..."]; What this message does, is it change the string that the reciver will display, and presumably, calls -setsNeedsDisplay:YES as a side-effect. It doesn't do the drawing, however, until the next time through the event loop! So this: -> system("/usr/lib/sendmail -q"); takes place before the receiver gets any -displayRect: message. -> } Try it like this: - (void) sendMail { [self displayMessage:@"Sending queued mail..."]; [self performSelector:@selector(reallySendTheMail) withObject:nil afterDelay:0]; } - (void) reallySendTheMail { system("/usr/lib/sendmail -q"); } This way, the -sendMail method gives control back to the event loop, and the -reallySendTheMail message gets invoked when the Appkit has finished all its pending tasks (like re-displaying.) Also, you might want to try using the NSTask class for this, so that your app won't have to wait for the system() call to return. -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### From: Trevin Beattie <*trevin*@*xmission*.*com*> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Solved: Bad image in .nib file Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:16:51 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 28 Message-ID: <68dk4k$q9n$1@news.xmission.com> References: <680tvk$r73$1@news.xmission.com> <01bd1255$a2b912c0$1a02cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <684lrs$n96$1@news.xmission.com> <684mjc$dcv$1@news.digifix.com> <68741n$b15$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc224.modem.xmission.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!topnet.de!roka.net!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.60.22.3!xmission!not-for-mail At 08:04 pm 12/30/97 -1000, Art Isbell wrote: > > When you drag an image that's not in your project from the >file system to a view in your nib's window in IB, IB will ask whether >you want the nib added to your project or whether you want a local >copy. If you choose local copy, the image file will be copied into >your nib directory but not added to your project. If you choose to add >the image to your project, no image file will be copied to the nib >directory, but will be copied to the project directory. The nib will >create a reference to this image which AppKit will find at run-time in >the app's directory. > >Maybe I should have mentioned this before, but I >> can delete the image entirely from the .project so that no independent >> copy exists, but the image still shows up in my .nib. > > Then the image file must still be in the app's directory even >though it has been removed from your project. I had thought xxx.project/xxx.nib/ was tracking the images from xxx.project/*.tiff, but it looks like I was wrong -- updating xxx.project/xxx.app/*.tiff corrected the .nib file. Thanks, Art! -- Trevin Beattie "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, *To*reply*to*this* for you are crunchy and good with ketchup." *message,*remove*the* --unknown *asterisks*from*my*email*address.* #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!209.98.98.14!visi.com!news-out.visi.com!not-for-mail From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: PERL on Rhapsody experience Date: 31 Dec 1997 23:54:39 GMT Organization: 21st Century Software, New York City Lines: 19 Sender: daver@ts3-2.nj.cnct.com Message-ID: <68elvv$dkg$1@darla.visi.com> References: Reply-To: dwy@ace.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts3-2.nj.cnct.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 1997 17:54:39 CST X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: SnowSim@halcyon.com In Simulated Snow wrote: > I would like to hear from anyone w/PERL experience on Rhapsody > did you compile from sources or find a binary somewhere ? I've been on a compiling kick in the last 24 hours. I built perl5.004_04 from source on a product which doesn't yet exist on a PC. (ahem) I've since uploaded the fruits of that labor to ftp.next.peak.org, where they should be in pub/rhapsody/submissions until they get moved. There's a README file accompanying it which details the changes neccessary; basically, perl makes some assumptions about nexts which are no longer true for Rhapsody, so you have to correct it. > - mahalo ! a belated mele kalikimaka to you.. -- :: d a v i d y o u n g ::::: smtp dwy@ace.net http www.ace.net :: #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!news.noc.cabal.int!erlenstar.ml.org!annihilator!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <68qjbg$600$12682@tourist.gnt.net> ignore no reply Control: cancel <68qjbg$600$12682@tourist.gnt.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:40:44 +0000 Sender: pnhrnipu@somethingofyourchoice.com From: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk Organization: Annihilator v0.1 Approved: y X-Cancelled-By: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk X-No-Archive: yes X-Original-Path: ...!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.44.2.10!nntp.cntfl.com!news.gnt.net!not-for-mail X-Original-From: pnhrnipu@somethingofyourchoice.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: thunder.gnt.com X-Original-Subject: C.R.Computers-Wholesale Prices-http://www.gnt.net/~crc X-Original-Date: 5 Jan 1998 12:23:12 GMT X-Cancel-ID: (YJI<`L>J0@?SD7#@I7\I%/*V:`[3MDX3_YU\[+%+-2#^@G0:WX):'\N Lines: 1 Spam (EMP) cancelled - type=SBOTA #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-regensburg.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news.coli.uni-sb.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!nocemed!mmfcancel!cyberspam!chainsaw Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: Control: cancel <68qi08$bcl@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <68qi08$bcl@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> no reply ignore Reply-To: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: Semi-Automatic Lupine Remover Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:06:42 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Cancel-Flags: ar X-Orig-Path: newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.214.99.1!ix.netcom.com!news Sender: hgrjorpv@money.com X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: lvx-nv10-16.ix.netcom.com X-Cancel-ID: M`T&;X:9J&627W%$N\Y]T.0]-I^VR=B5PH^A=.O^K0`4;6;/YOD(Q?*_ Lines: 2 ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by J. Porter Clark. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.25.2.138!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail From: J.Penning@t-online.de (J. Penning) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Q: Archiving storage NX 3.3 Date: 3 Jan 1998 22:56:18 GMT Organization: T-Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <68mfmi$8fo$1@news01.btx.dtag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 04027878060-0001@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) Hi folks, I'm using NSfIP 3.3 and want to know about objects of the Storage class when they are archived. What happens to stored id's? Are they archived using NXWriteObject or NXWriteObjectReference? Please, don't tell me they are archived as numbers. Thanks, Joerg. -- Joerg Penning, Student at the comp. science dep. at the University of Hamburg email j.penning@t-online.de, penning@informatik.uni-hamburg.de #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!univ-lyon1.fr!cnusc.fr!unice.fr!not-for-mail From: Marc Monticelli Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Openstep Windows NT/95 display update Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:39:07 +0100 Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis Lines: 34 Message-ID: <34B10CAB.5BE82960@inln.cnrs.fr> References: <68omcs$89m1@odie.mcleod.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: euclide.unice.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) To: "Michelle L. Buck" I had the same problem. PSWait(); on your loop solve it. (I'd also try [currentState setSynchronized:YES] but I didn't use it with success on NT) ...Marc Monticelli Michelle L. Buck wrote: > > I need some help. > > I have an application that produces animated displays. The software works > great on Openstep for Mach. On NT and 95, I get bizarre display update > problems. Essentially, the application is producing new images faster than > they are flushed to screen. New images do get to the screen (just not fast > enough). The new images are apparently queued. The queue gets deeper and > deeper consuming more and more memory until the application crashes. If the > animation is paused before a crash, the queued images keep right on coming > for many seconds (event minutes). If after the display has finally stopped > changing the animation is restarted, the queue builds again. > This is not a window flushing issue. Everything works on Mach, > and -flushWindow, PSWait(), etc. have no effect. The symptom is that the > Postscript server is done (having rendered an image) and Windows can not > flush the image to screen before Postscript has produced another one. > Different graphics cards show this problem to different degrees. > > To see this for yourself, use the Lines example program. Enlarge the window > until it covers most of the screen. Make sure you have lots of vertices in > the Polly-line that is drawn. Watch and wait. The bigger the area that > needs to be flushed to the screen, the worse the queuing will get. > So... how to I change this behavior. Can I reduce the process priority of > the Postscript server ? Is there some windows function I can call to wait > until the image is REALLY displayed ? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!univ-lyon1.fr!cnusc.fr!unice.fr!not-for-mail From: Marc Monticelli Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Openstep Windows NT/95 display update Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:39:32 +0100 Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis Lines: 34 Message-ID: <34B10CC4.2F564ED1@inln.cnrs.fr> References: <68omcs$89m1@odie.mcleod.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: euclide.unice.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) To: "Michelle L. Buck" I had the same problem. PSWait(); on your loop solve it. (I'd also try [currentState setSynchronized:YES] but I didn't use it with success on NT) ...Marc Monticelli Michelle L. Buck wrote: > > I need some help. > > I have an application that produces animated displays. The software works > great on Openstep for Mach. On NT and 95, I get bizarre display update > problems. Essentially, the application is producing new images faster than > they are flushed to screen. New images do get to the screen (just not fast > enough). The new images are apparently queued. The queue gets deeper and > deeper consuming more and more memory until the application crashes. If the > animation is paused before a crash, the queued images keep right on coming > for many seconds (event minutes). If after the display has finally stopped > changing the animation is restarted, the queue builds again. > This is not a window flushing issue. Everything works on Mach, > and -flushWindow, PSWait(), etc. have no effect. The symptom is that the > Postscript server is done (having rendered an image) and Windows can not > flush the image to screen before Postscript has produced another one. > Different graphics cards show this problem to different degrees. > > To see this for yourself, use the Lines example program. Enlarge the window > until it covers most of the screen. Make sure you have lots of vertices in > the Polly-line that is drawn. Watch and wait. The bigger the area that > needs to be flushed to the screen, the worse the queuing will get. > So... how to I change this behavior. Can I reduce the process priority of > the Postscript server ? Is there some windows function I can call to wait > until the image is REALLY displayed ? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!news.noc.cabal.int!erlenstar.ml.org!annihilator!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric Subject: cmsg cancel <157ce$112420.41@news> ignore no reply Control: cancel <157ce$112420.41@news> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:41:24 +0000 Sender: sbdeamtqkevin.bitch.smash@ponyfarm.net From: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk Organization: Annihilator v0.1 Approved: y X-Cancelled-By: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk X-No-Archive: yes X-Original-Path: ...!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news!not-for-mail X-Original-From: sbdeamtqkevin.bitch.smash@ponyfarm.net X-Original-Subject: very classy adult site X-Original-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:36:32 GMT X-Cancel-ID: ]X$H3NG\AX<&HBQ2PM6+BR>Q6'X9++>W-M)<@O(%N[M7X8BN25SGYV8" Lines: 1 Spam (EMP) cancelled - type=SBOTA #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.10.194.34!smartdna!nntp.smartdna.com!NewsWatcher!user From: glipof@smartdna.com (Guy Lipof) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,,comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior Subject: OPENSTEP Developer/Enterprise and COM Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:47:09 -0500 Organization: Smart Technologies Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.51.245.250 X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27316 comp.lang.objective-c:6685 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29365 comp.sys.next.misc:27392 comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior:81010 i am about to begin a project and would like to use openstep or codewarrior to do it. i am unfamilar with codewarrior in a windows environment so i don't know how it handles com objects and am new to openstep as a developer. two of the requirements of this project are: 1. runs on windows nt (i also want it to run on rhapsody when released) 2. needs to be a com object i searched apple's enterprise site and reviewed my openstep developer and enterprise documentation and could not find any references or samples for creating corba or com objects. also i am three revs behind in my copy of codewarrior and was wondering if anyone was doing any com work in it on the windows side. thank you for the help... guy r. lipof ________________________________________ glipof@smartdna.com | software engineer #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.frankfurt.ecrc.net!news.duesseldorf.ecrc.net!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news-han1.dfn.de!news.fh-hannover.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.97.102.24!news.mainstream.net!NewsWatcher!user From: chad@pengar.com (Chad Leigh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: using Obj-C under openstep/rhapsody for command line programs... Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:46:54 -0500 Organization: Pengar Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tf-proxy.tempusfixit.com I was doing WebObjects (compiled ObjC) but am now working on OpenStep programs without WO. I have need for server/daemon type programs that run on the command line or similar without any UI elements at all but that use the Foundation. What do I need to do to make this sort of program? It looks like an "application" is a UI based open step program. I am confused on how to start. My simple program replaced the NSApplication call in the main() function with my own code that allocated an object and an NSRunLoop (for handling connections) and it seemed to sort of run but I got (On Rhapsody DR1/PPC NSAutoreleasepool errors (no pool) and on NT with OS 4.2 (WWDC release from last year) I got no errors but it died on end of run etc. Thanks Chad chad@pengar.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.camelot.de!heller!heller From: heller@altoetting-online.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Newbie to C++ on NeXTstep Motorola ver 3.1 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 05:36:11 GMT Organization: Barb & Helmut Heller Lines: 24 Sender: heller@heller.altoetting-online.de (Helmut Heller) Message-ID: References: <68jdff$nmr$1@news.eunet.ch> Reply-To: heller@altoetting-online.de NNTP-Posting-Host: heller.altoetting-online.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <68jdff$nmr$1@news.eunet.ch> geroldr@webshuttle.ch (Gerold Rupprecht) writes: > Has anyone got c++ to compile? yes, it's easy: you have to link with the c++ library: heller 109 cpu> cc -o Hello Hello.cc -lg++ heller 110 cpu> ./Hello Hello World! heller 111 cpu> Eh voila; it works! :-) Bye, Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting-online.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news2.interlog.com!news.interlog.com!not-for-mail From: tekforce@interlog.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: >>> TOR-CANADA- NeXT/Objectice C GURU NEEDED >>> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 05:47:51 GMT Organization: Tech Force Search Group Lines: 39 Message-ID: <34add054.3636286@news.interlog.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-20-0-237.dialin.interlog.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Our valued client, an industry leader has asked us to find them: A Programmer/ Analyst with the following skill sets; 1/ NeXT Step environment 2/ Objective "C" programming 3/ Web Object development with latest emergint technologies PERM or Contract This is an outstanding opportunity and careerpath with a major Software Developer and VAR. 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Now I can't compile programs that call the new code from the library: test_no_cache_fft_2d_fftdif2l.cc:41: warning: implicit declaration of function `int ndif2l_fft(...)' ld: warning table of contents of library: /Users/tph1001/Code/lib/C++libs/libfxt.a not sorted slower link editing will result (use the ranlib(1) -s option) ld: Undefined symbols: ndif2l_fft (The ranlib error has never bothered me before) But ndif2l_fft is declared in the appropriate header file (right under dif2l_fft...which works fine) in file fxt.h: // fftdif2l.cc: void dif2l_fft(double *fr, double *fi, ulong ldn, int is); // slow_fftdif2l.cc: void ndif2l_fft(double *fr, double *fi, ulong ldn, ulong d, int is); and is right there in the .a library: bash-2.00$ nm libfxt.a ... libfxt.a(fftdif2l.o): 00000000 T _dif2l_fft__FPdT0Uli 000001c8 T _ndif2l_fft__FPdT0UlUli 00000130 T _no_cache_scramble__FPdT0UlUl U _scramble__FPdT0Ul U dyld_stub_binding_helper ... I cannot for the life of me see why ndif2l_fft causes the ld error ld: Undefined symbols: Why would dif2l_fft work fine and not ndif2l_fft?? Any ideas? -- thomas harte @ computer laboratory, cambridge university; tph1001@CL.cam.ac.uk; phone: +44 1223 334628; fax: 334678; http://www.CL.cam.ac.uk/users/tph1001 MIME & NeXT Mail OK. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.cesnet.cz!news.felk.cvut.cz!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!paperboy01.iconnet.net!news.mcleodusa.net!news From: "Michelle L. Buck" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: using Obj-C under openstep/rhapsody for command line programs... Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:59:12 -0600 Organization: McleodUSA - http://www.mcleodusa.net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <68hla2$9u21@odie.mcleod.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 323-A-43-96.ppp.mcleodusa.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >on the command line or similar without any UI elements at all but that use >the Foundation. What do I need to do to make this sort of program? It >looks like an "application" is a UI based open step program. Use the "tool" project type in ProjectBuilder. You will probably want your own NSAutoreleasePool management. This is well documented. RTFM. 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X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: nurban@crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (Nathan Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Objective-C and Postscript Questions Date: 7 Jan 1998 14:52:38 -0500 Organization: Data Systems Consulting, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <690me6$mo3$1@crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us> References: <01bd1b9e$bb4efaa0$15cd46c0@epsilon3> Reply-To: nurban@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us In article <01bd1b9e$bb4efaa0$15cd46c0@epsilon3>, "Bob" wrote: > 1.) Reguarding Objective-C, is the use of brackets simply a matter of > syntax or does it allow for some kind of superior funtionality w.r.t. C++? Well, brackets are the syntax for sending a message to an object, but there's a deep fundamental different in the ways Objective-C and C++ carry that out. (That is, Objective-C could have used the C++ syntax if it wanted, but it would still be doing something very different.) For details on the differences between Objective-C's "runtime message dispatch" and C++'s "late binding" of virtual methods, see: http://www.misckit.com/DynamicOO/ http://devworld.apple.com/techinfo/techdocs/rhapsody/ObjectiveC/index.html > 2.) Reguarding Postscript, is a postscript engine used for applications > developed using OpenStep for NT? If yes, does it use postscript or > ghostscript? If by "OpenStep for NT" you are referring to NeXT's OPENSTEP Enterprise implementation, then yes, it uses a port of NeXT's Display PostScript Server. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <69061i$bn4$750@newton.pacific.net.sg> Control: cancel <69061i$bn4$750@newton.pacific.net.sg> Date: 07 Jan 1998 15:20:45 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: Mr@Long.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!newsserver.pacific.net.sg!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Hello, please look here. 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Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!mycal.net!thomas From: Thomas Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Japanese, Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 Date: 7 Jan 1998 20:25:44 GMT Organization: Mycal Labs (www.mycal.net) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <690oc8$k0o$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mycal.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 970202] Hi, I was looking at Openstep 4.2 and it seems that it may have support for Japanese (J-EUC and Shift-JIS) if I move the fonts over to the font directiry and do a buildafmdir. I understand of course that the Japanese input-server is not there. Has anyone tried doing this? I have a Kanji-aware Rhapsody application that tests files from Verilog simulations. I want to deploy the application for my testers on NeXT machines because their so darn cheap and was wondering if Openstep 4.2 can render the fonts as fantastically as Rhapsody does. I have to install 4.2 on a machine that's running 3.3 currently... so if possible I'd like to know if what I ask is possible before I try. Thomas thomas@ireadyco.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!not-for-mail From: mbessey@apple.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Objective-C and Postscript Questions Date: 7 Jan 1998 20:23:38 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <690o8a$1396$1@news.apple.com> References: <01bd1b9e$bb4efaa0$15cd46c0@epsilon3> Reply-To: MaRK_BeSSeY@aPPLe.CoM NNTP-Posting-Host: rhine.apple.com "Bob" writes > I have a couple of questions... > > 1.) Reguarding Objective-C, is the use of brackets simply a matter of > syntax or does it allow for some kind of superior funtionality w.r.t. > C++? It's just syntax. > 2.) Reguarding Postscript, is a postscript engine used for applications > developed using OpenStep for NT? If yes, does it use postscript or > ghostscript? Applications created with OPENSTEP for NT use a PostScript (tm) drawing engine. -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<-- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!news.unige.ch!news From: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NSConnection released Date: 7 Jan 1998 20:35:12 GMT Organization: University of Geneva Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-ID: <690ou0$alb@uni2f.unige.ch> Reply-To: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.33.227.252 X-Newsreader: Kiwi [version .11] Hi Because I'm under time pressure and the problem is too important, I try to find somebody on the net, who knows perhaps an answer to the following problem: I have two programs that communicate over DO. Prg1 has 2 root objects in the nameserver. Prg2 just connects via the nameserver to one root object of prg1 and registers itself in the notification center (which is the other root object) as an observer. prg1 | prg2 ==== | ==== | ---------- | ---------- |root |<--------------------------|Observer| |object 1| | ---------- ---------- | | ^ | | | | register | | | the ------- | | | other |anObj|<-------------- | observer ------- | | object | | | | | v | | --------------- | | |root | | | |object 2 |---send a Notification--- |(Notification| |Center | --------------- The notification center can call the observer for a dozen times and then the programs are deadlocked. When I interrupt them I see in the backtrace, that prg1 is just in the process of releasing its NSConnection and tries to release also its remote proxies. In the meanwhile, prg2 makes a back call to one of the received objects in the notification (which are in the other programs address space). My question is: Why does DO release this NSConnection, although there is still a remote proxy around? How could I retain that connection? Thanks for any hints! Phil #################################################################### From: "Bob" Subject: Objective-C and Postscript Questions Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Message-ID: <01bd1b9e$bb4efaa0$15cd46c0@epsilon3> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.215.208.83 Date: 7 Jan 98 19:08:37 GMT Lines: 12 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news3.uswest.net!205.215.208.83 I have a couple of questions... 1.) Reguarding Objective-C, is the use of brackets simply a matter of syntax or does it allow for some kind of superior funtionality w.r.t. C++? 2.) Reguarding Postscript, is a postscript engine used for applications developed using OpenStep for NT? If yes, does it use postscript or ghostscript? Thanks for your help in advance. Leo #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!out2.nntp.cais.net!news2.cais.com!not-for-mail From: "Daniel T. Fahey" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software, Subject: Need Help with Problem Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:40:02 -0800 Organization: DanSources Technical Services, Inc Lines: 27 Message-ID: <34B42E72.7E3D@DanSources.com> Reply-To: DanFahey@DanSources.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nova-aaa-026.vni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.marketplace:19986 comp.sys.next.misc:27397 comp.sys.next.programmer:27327 comp.sys.next.software:32111 HELLO; We are trying to take an Active X Controls connect to Objective C using OLE2 (or vice versa). I do not think this has never been done before and need someone to help us to get this done in Two weeks. YES two weeks..everyone says minimum 4 weeks. I can have one my technical guy converse with anyone about the details. There are no reference manuals or any documentation to help connect these elements together. Has anyone done this before? Where can we get some technical information or help on this? There is a lot of follow on work in Openstep. But this prototype has to be done first. Can anyone help?! mailto:danfahey@dansources.com Phone 301-217-0425 Gratiously, Dan Fahey -- For more information about DanSources Technical Services Incorporated Feel free to check out our Web Page at http://www.dansources.com // See Jobs #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.oberon Subject: Object Magazine Online - CALL FOR PAPERS - Celebrating Our 3rd Year! From: Bob Hathaway Summary: Request for Submissions - Object-Oriented Web Journal Followup-To: comp.object Distribution: world Organization: Object Magazine Online Keywords: WWW OO Object-Oriented Journal Authors Articles Lines: 64 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961022] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.240.140.100 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.240.140.100 Message-ID: <34b43278.0@news.inch.com> Date: 8 Jan 98 01:57:12 GMT Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.inch.com!shell.inch.com!rjh Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.lang.modula3:8292 comp.lang.objective-c:6691 comp.sys.next.programmer:27328 comp.lang.oberon:9083 OBJECT MAGAZINE ONLINE ====================== OBJECT MAGAZINE ONLINE HYPERTEXT JOURNAL MONTHLY OBJECT-ORIENTED FORUM Location: http://www.sigs.com/omo (aka /objectcurrents) Editor-In-Chief: Bob Hathaway Year: January '98 Premier Issue celebrates our third year Next Issue: January 9 Articles Due: 11th of month prior to publication Content: Object-Oriented. See Articles/Columns and be creative. Publisher: SIGS: C++ Report, Object Magazine, Java Report, Object Expert, Smalltalk Report, X Journal, Object Buyer's Guide, etc. Object Magazine Online is celebrating our third year with a totally new layout, improved Web resources, and new top calibre contributors. We have world-class columnists, interviews, and authors and are looking for new authors to join their ranks! Object Magazine Online provides the opportunity to fully utilize the Web's vast resources from articles. Authors may leverage their own sites and pages by linking to them in articles, providing a large number of interested readers with direct access not available by any other means. I am especially interested in articles utilizing Java, Corba, DCOM, Javascript, and etc. NEWS We've recently acquired the best Web group around to handle the site and publish articles. We pay honorarium for accepted articles. We provide the opportunity to publish to a large and wide audience of readers from the object-oriented community. OBJECT MAGAZINE ONLINE FEATURE ARTICLES Just read the feature articles and columns in the journal to get an idea of size and content. I am especially interested in articles that utilize the Web for superior information content and to facilitate learning. Please write if you're interested in using advanced techniques including CORBA, DCOM, Java, and etc. From the Guidelines: Object Magazine Online's unique hypertext media provides for advances over earlier journals - links to home pages, sites, databases and information servers, interaction, animation, graphics, code retrieval and execution, expanded pages, video, virtual reality and chat sessions. Thank You & Best Regards, Bob Hathaway Robert John Hathaway III Editor in Chief Object Magazine Online Hypertext Journal Email: bhathaway@sigs.com - Correspondence, Submissions Alt: rjh@inch.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!209.98.98.14!visi.com!news-out.visi.com!not-for-mail From: dwy@ace.net (David Young) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: egcs, gcc, OPENSTEP, and Apple Date: 8 Jan 1998 10:31:04 GMT Organization: 21st Century Software, New York City Lines: 22 Sender: daver@ts2-5.nj.cnct.com Message-ID: <6929t8$fln$1@darla.visi.com> Reply-To: dwy@ace.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts2-5.nj.cnct.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 08 Jan 1998 04:31:04 CST X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) I'm pretty certain people with clues from Apple read this group, and I'm sure someone there already knows about this, but: [begin excerpt from http://www.cygnus.com/egcs/] egcs is an experimental step in the development of GCC, the GNU C compiler. A bunch of us (including Fortran, Linux, Intel and RTEMS hackers) have gotten together to return to the fundamental idea that code visibility and submissions from the net are vital to the long term improvement of the compiler. We are going to integrate variations and patches to GCC that are floating around, including some front-ends like g77 (Fortran). We are going to work closely with the free OS'es (e.g. Linux, *BSD) where GCC is a critical piece of infrastructure. We invite you to join us. [end excerpt] For the most part, it doesn't seem all that interesting, except for the last two lines. and hey, if you can get people to maintain your compiler for free, well then... whatever. -- :: d a v i d y o u n g ::::: smtp dwy@ace.net http www.ace.net :: #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!news.unige.ch!news From: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: When is a NSConnection released? Date: 8 Jan 1998 11:20:26 GMT Organization: University of Geneva Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <692cpq$d61@uni2f.unige.ch> Reply-To: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.33.227.252 X-Newsreader: Kiwi [version .11] Hi again I couldn't find a solution so far for my NSConnection problem. It's definitely not a question of retaining the remote object. So I ask the question in a more general way: ---> When does the DO-system release an NSConnection? When there's no root object set? When there are no remote proxies set? When there are no local proxies set? Or what? Thanks Phil #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!kithrup.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <080198233143@for-time.com> Date: 9 Jan 1998 09:39:40 GMT Control: cancel <080198233143@for-time.com> Message-ID: Sender: thanks@for-time.com X-Cancelled-By: sef@kithrup.com Approved: sef@kithrup.com Lines: 1 Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com #################################################################### From: "Diana Ashley" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.unix.programmer,comp.windows.ms.programmer,de.comp.lang.java Subject: US Company needs Java, C++ and Smalltalk Programmers & Developers Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:30:57 -0500 Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.59.63.103 Message-ID: <34b4e334.0@news.randori.com> Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!akk.uni-karlsruhe.de!wuff.mayn.de!fu-berlin.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!news.randori.com!207.59.63.103 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27331 comp.unix.programmer:61775 comp.windows.ms.programmer:5105 de.comp.lang.java:11460 ObjectIntelligence is a fast growing Object Technology consulting firm based in the U.S. We are actively hiring JAVA, C++ and Smalltalk (VisualAge) Programmers and CORBA developers for permanent positions for our projects located in all major areas of the U.S. If you have excellent technical and communication skills, are a degreed computer professional and have **COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE** we have the following to offer: Excellent Pay & Benefits Stock Options and Equity Participation Opportunities US Immigration Assistance - H1B Visa and Green Card Exciting Projects at large client sites around the U.S. If you are interested in learning more about these opportunities please email your qualifications, background and interest to: ObjectIntelligence dianal@objectint.com 900 Ridgefield Drive, Suite 240 Raleigh, NC 27609 800-789-6595 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.he.net!sws1.ctd.ornl.gov!newsfeed.pnl.gov!for-time.com From: thanks@for-time.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: ---- Mulderr's WORLD OF WAVS ------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:01:42 -0700 Organization: Best Wavs Around Lines: 17 Message-ID: <090198130142@for-time.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.172.102.86 ========================================== MULDERR'S WORLD OF WAVS http://www.fred.net/mulder Over 2,800 WAVS! 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Read all about it at: http://www.fred.net/mulder/XFILES.html =========================================== - ><=<<=><=><>=>==><<> #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <090198130142@for-time.com> Control: cancel <090198130142@for-time.com> Date: 09 Jan 1998 18:40:51 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: thanks@for-time.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.he.net!sws1.ctd.ornl.gov!newsfeed.pnl.gov!for-time.com X-Original-Subject: ---- Mulderr's WORLD OF WAVS ------ X-Original-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:01:42 -0700 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.172.102.86 X-Original-From: thanks@for-time.com X-CosmoTraq: &_S#^$^('=JV0TY`=ZF8A7B],"ATK1/1/$2,E<@!-R X-Cancel-ID: \DH8@PD Organization: Netcom On-Line Services X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #9 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:39:37 GMT Lines: 68 Sender: vfr750@netcom2.netcom.com I'm just curious. Does the GNUStep package have a similiar routine (then I could look at the source code)? It would seem that during the first pass, it would cache the object ids into a table, and check if any are referenced. Then on the second pass, when it detected an object whose pointer was in the table, it would write the object once, and a reference ID so when it was re-read, the proper object id could be looked up. But, WriteObjectReference is called for only the root object, but not in the write: method itself. So, does WOR change the NXTypedStream to a memory stream for it to poke through after calling an objects write: method? Or does it change the behavior of WriteTypes during its first pass? And also, how is the behavior different from WriteObject? It's been a long time since I've looked at this stuff, or played with Obj-C, so please bear with me. Say I have a simple class called GamePiece that has two properties. Essentially GamePiece { char icon; id beats; } Then: id rock; id scissors; id paper; rock.beats=scissors; scissors.beats=paper; paper.beats=rock; If I do a WriteObject on rock, it should save all three objects, yes? And WriteObjectReference would do the same. And both will detect the cycle and stop. But if I read back rock, and it creates all three objects, but I only have a direct reference to the first, while I'd have to hunt down the other two myself, yes? How do folks deal with issues like this when, technically I'd rather: WriteObject(rock); WriteObject(scissors); WriteObject(paper); I'm just interested in how folks handle streaming objects that may consist of graphs, and trying to restore the state back properly. I'm also considering implementing a similiar WriteObject protocol for a different platform. I wonder if the Squeak folks have dealt with this kind of object streaming stuff. Thanx! -- Will Hartung - Rancho Santa Margarita. 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Duck #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.51.3.225!rain.fr!news.alienor.fr!xlan!news From: fgalot@x-lan.alienor.fr Subject: I could not log as root X-Nntp-Posting-Host: deneb Message-ID: Sender: news@x-lan.alienor.fr Organization: x&lan X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.8a) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:23:53 GMT Lines: 25 I've two problems that are perhaps the same : -1- with NS4.2 on intel the root account can't launch : you type root and his password then you've got the workspace and then a message saying the workspace will close and then it closes.... -2- with a 3.3 on a NeXT Cube there is a similar problem you type root and his password then you've the workspace and there is nothing : only a blue screen... Thanks for help or tips -- --------------------------------------- ® ® | ® O_O ® ® | O_O -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Fred Galot fgalot@x-lan.alienor.fr #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newbabylon.rs.itd.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: "Robert A. Decker" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c Subject: is forwardInvocation: bypassed when using performSelector:SEL? Date: 10 Jan 98 02:07:02 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Lines: 60 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: comrade.cancer.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Multiple recipients of list" X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 X-News-Servers: news.itd.umich.edu X-Newsgroups-TO: nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.programmer, nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.lang.objective-c Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27335 comp.lang.objective-c:6693 If I call a method in an object using: [anObject performSelector:theSelector] will 'anObject' invoke forwardInvocation: if it can't respond? Or will it only invoke forwardInvocation: if the method is called the 'standard' way of calling a method? Here's why I'm asking: I have a compiled webObjects app with some code in one of the objects that looks like the following. The method SEL seems to be set correctly. ******************************************** NSString *methodName; SEL method; while (methodName = [methodsListEnum nextObject]) { if (method = [GCPerson selectorForMethodName:[methodName cString]]) { returnObject = [person performSelector:method]; //do some stuff w/ returnObject ******************************************** What follows is what selectorForMethodName looks like in GCPerson. What I'm trying to do is get the selector for the methodName in GCPerson, but if GCPerson doesn't respond, then get it from GCTechnology, which has a similar method that calls sel_getUid(). ******************************************** + (SEL) selectorForMethodName:(const char *)methodName { SEL returnSelector = sel_getUid(methodName); if (returnSelector == 0) { return [GCTechnology selectorForMethodName:methodName]; } else { return returnSelector; } } ******************************************* Then, if you look at the first bit of code you see that I tell an instance of GCPerson to perform the selector I just got, which comes from either GCPerson or GCTechnology. In GCPerson I have a forward invocation method that forwards unrecognized messages to GCTechnology, HOWEVER, forwardInvocation is never called - I just get a selector not recognized exception right away from GCPerson. Does calling a method using a selector bypass the chance of forwardInvocation being called? If so, is there a way around it? I need to be able to call methods based on NSStrings (sel_getUid([aString cString])) _and_ I need to be able to forward unrecognized calls. thanks, rob -- Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #6: "You are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen, with the possible exception of Charles Durning." -Chris Elliott #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops Subject: cmsg cancel <6986l7$341$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Control: cancel <6986l7$341$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Date: 10 Jan 1998 16:46:33 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: gfibwbpd@msn.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.84.255.3!news.hkt.net!news.netvigator.com!usenet X-Original-Subject: Looking for a S/N? X-Original-Date: 10 Jan 1998 16:12:23 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: hhtak007040.netvigator.com X-Original-From: gfibwbpd@msn.com X-CosmoTraq: QSJE2F5(K9TJ?1-O(&9+6.X,V.`:B!549T_/@;%"-I6S@81 X-Cancel-ID: A,-Z0ME(+X&#V^Z\X+3SJG'S!JH)>%^QLPL>[!#D(]JA(S;:.:B/ X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!nntp2.ba.best.com!not-for-mail From: kcd@babylon5.jumpgate.com (Kenneth C. Dyke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c Subject: Re: is forwardInvocation: bypassed when using performSelector:SEL? Date: 11 Jan 1998 01:36:04 GMT Lines: 91 Message-ID: <6997m4$hdq$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp.jumpgate.com X-Trace: 884482564 17850 (none) 206.86.0.12 In-Reply-To: X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00002 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27336 comp.lang.objective-c:6694 On 01/09/98, "Robert A. Decker" wrote: > If I call a method in an object using: >[anObject performSelector:theSelector] >will 'anObject' invoke forwardInvocation: if it can't respond? Or will it >only invoke forwardInvocation: if the method is called the 'standard' way >of calling a method? > > Here's why I'm asking: > > I have a compiled webObjects app with some code in one of the >objects that looks like the following. The method SEL seems to be set >correctly. >******************************************** >NSString *methodName; >SEL method; >while (methodName = [methodsListEnum nextObject]) { > if (method = [GCPerson selectorForMethodName:[methodName cString]]) { > returnObject = [person performSelector:method]; > //do some stuff w/ returnObject > >******************************************** >What follows is what selectorForMethodName looks like in GCPerson. What >I'm trying to do is get the selector for the methodName in GCPerson, but >if GCPerson doesn't respond, then get it from GCTechnology, which has a >similar method that calls sel_getUid(). >******************************************** >+ (SEL) selectorForMethodName:(const char *)methodName { > SEL returnSelector = sel_getUid(methodName); > > if (returnSelector == 0) { > return [GCTechnology selectorForMethodName:methodName]; > } else { > return returnSelector; > } >} >******************************************* > > Then, if you look at the first bit of code you see that I tell an >instance of GCPerson to perform the selector I just got, which comes from >either GCPerson or GCTechnology. In GCPerson I have a forward invocation >method that forwards unrecognized messages to GCTechnology, HOWEVER, >forwardInvocation is never called - I just get a selector not recognized >exception right away from GCPerson. > > Does calling a method using a selector bypass the chance of >forwardInvocation being called? It shouldn't, as far as I know. Using performSelector:... shouldn't be distinguishable from any other method call. >If so, is there a way around it? In order to make forwardInvocation work, there's another method that you have to implement. Yes, it's documented, but in the Foundation release notes. You need to implement the -methodSignatureForSelector: method in the class as well as the -forwardInvocation: method. The implementation from the documentation looks like this: - (NSMethodSignature *)methodSignatureForSelector:(SEL)sel { NSMethodSignature *result = [super methodSignatureForSelector:sel]; // If result is nil, self must not respond to the selector if(nil == result) result = [target methodSignatureForSelector:sel]; return result; } - (void)forwardInvocation:(NSInvocation *)invocation { [invocation invokeWithTarget:target]; } -Ken -- Kenneth Dyke, kcd@jumpgate.com (personal), kdyke@ea.com (work) Nuclear Strike and OPENSTEP Tools Engineer, Electronic Arts C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c Subject: cmsg cancel <698j7t$7eh$1@news.idiom.com> Control: cancel <698j7t$7eh$1@news.idiom.com> Date: 10 Jan 1998 20:09:06 GMT Organization: Idiom Communications Lines: 1 Message-ID: <698kh2$7eh$2@news.idiom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com #################################################################### From: scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) Subject: Need info on using NXImage....is this right? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: <34b7edd5.0@donald.info2000.net> Date: 10 Jan 98 21:53:25 GMT Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.45.255.100!coop.net!coopnews.coop.net!donald.info2000.net!scamp Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27337 comp.sys.next.misc:27423 Hi - I need to do some drawing at the pixel level and previously have used pswraps to draw rectangles of area 1. It works but is slowwww. So now I have a View object and want to somehow stuff an NXBitMapImageRep into it. Think I have the process worked out, but thought would be helpful to others to post it to net and get critiqued. Here goes: 1) Make a two-dimensional array of unsigned chars to hold your data. 2) Create an NXBitMapImageRep with the pointers to the data array as one of the (many) args. 3) Create an NXImage and register the NXBitMapImageRep with it. 4) Create a cell and initialize it with the NXImage 5) Whenever you want to draw the NXImage to the view, lock focus on the view, send the cell a drawself:toView message, then unlock focus. 6) Modify your data in the data array at will. I think this approach will work but there may be a better way, and some questions are left. For example, it would be nice if one didn't have to use the Cell object at all. Just stick the NXImage directly into the View and avoid this intermediate step. How would one do that?? Also, the NXImage has a composite:toPoint and dissolve:toPoint methods which I would really like to use, and don't see how to use them if NXImage is inside a cell (you would use the cell's drawself:toView method then, and I'd really like to use the dissolve functionality). See what I mean? It would be better for my use if the Cell object was not involved at all. But I don't see a way to register an NXImage with a view, or a composite:toPoint:inView type of method. How do you associate the NXImage with the View? Lessee, then there are questions related to the data itself. For instance, if you use the RGB model how do you determine the appropriate size for each color component? For example, all my graphics calculations are done as doubles. So I have RGB values that are doubles. If I allocate sizeof(double) bytes for each color component of each pixel, and populate my data array that way--but my video adapter only supports RGB let's say two bytes deep--will the NXImage automatically discard the additional bytes? Automatically cast the data to the right size? Or do I have to dynamically find out the depth of the given video adapter before I create my data array and cast the data to the appropriate size? It would be great if I could just make my array of doubles and let NXImage render it appropriately to the video adapter. So that's it in a nutshell. I figure NXBitMapImageReps will give me a lot more speed and better resolution on platforms like mine that don't have good driver support. I'm currently using a generic vga driver, and the postscript output to it is low res *monochrome*. Figure by working at bitmap level will at least get hi res *monochrome*. Thanks in advance for the info. Post here or send directly to my email at: rwarner@prv.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <21230883890024@digifix.com> Date: 11 Jan 1998 04:59:14 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 330 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <364884494823@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:92282 comp.sys.next.announce:4532 comp.sys.next.hardware:31950 comp.sys.next.software:32124 comp.sys.next.misc:27428 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29403 comp.sys.next.bugs:4672 comp.sys.next.programmer:27338 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. 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Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sdca.home.net!not-for-mail From: Seeger Fisher Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Need info on using NXImage....is this right? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:06:01 -0800 Organization: Providus Software, Corp. Lines: 77 Message-ID: <34B8DFD9.A1BC7DBF@ibm.net> References: <34b7edd5.0@donald.info2000.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.19.56.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Richard Warner wrote: > I need to do some drawing at the pixel level... > 1) Make a two-dimensional array of unsigned chars to hold your > data. yes, generally you want 3 or 4 bytes per pixel, though. > 2) Create an NXBitMapImageRep with the pointer to the data > array as one of the (many) args. yes > 3) 4) 5) no, no, no, instead,. inside the drawRect: of your NSView (or drawSelf:: in NS) composite the N*BitmapImageRep directly using drawAtPoint:, or whatever it's called (I believe it's declared in N*ImageRep). If you want your image to automagically scale, you can use the drawInRect version of the imageRep compositing methods. > 6) Modify your data in the data array at will. > yes. > I think this approach will work but there may be a better way, and > some questions are left. For example, it would be nice if one didn't have > to use the Cell object at all. Just stick the NXImage directly into the > View and avoid this intermediate step. How would one do that?? > you don't want a cell, composite the imagerep from inside the View's drawing method (your view is letting the imagerep do its rendering, rendering happens inside a View's drawSelf). > Also, the NXImage has a composite:toPoint and dissolve:toPoint methods which I > would really like to use, and don't see how to use them if NXImage is inside > a cell (you would use the cell's drawself:toView method then, and I'd really > like to use the dissolve functionality). See what I mean? It would be better > for my use if the Cell object was not involved at all. But I don't see a > way to register an NXImage with a view, or a composite:toPoint:inView type > of method. How do you associate the NXImage with the View? > you lockFocus on the view (to set up clipping and coord xformations) and then composite the Image. Or, if already inside the View's drawSelf, then clipping and coord Xforms are already done for you by default, so just composite. > Lessee, then there are questions related to the data itself. For instance, > if you use the RGB model how do you determine the appropriate size for > each color component? For example, all my graphics calculations are done > as doubles. So I have RGB values that are doubles. If I allocate > sizeof(double) bytes for each color component of each pixel, and populate > my data array that way--but my video adapter only supports RGB let's say > two bytes deep--will the NXImage automatically discard the additional bytes? > Automatically cast the data to the right size? > Or do I have to dynamically find out the depth of the given video adapter > before I create my data array and cast the data to the appropriate size? > you need to at least read once over the docs on bitmapimagerep. if you do rgb and 24 bit color, then you get one byte per color per pixel, 0-255. you can then let the system do dithering if you don't care to yourself. > It would be great if I could just make my array of doubles and let NXImage > render it appropriately to the video adapter. > yes, excepting that we are not dealing in double or even float land here. -seeger seegerf at ibm . net #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: nurban@crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (Nathan Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: How to hide the password? Date: 12 Jan 1998 09:59:04 -0500 Organization: Data Systems Consulting, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <69db3o$44j$1@crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us> References: Reply-To: nurban@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us In article , fgalot@x-lan.alienor.fr wrote: > I've got a little connection problem with an application. (I'm working with > Openstep 4.2 on a Intel machine. ) > I want to hide the password in a connection window (or panel) like the > loginWindow one. I don't know if this class exists in 4.2, but if it does, use an NSSecureTextField. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: How to hide the password? Message-ID: From: root@127.0.0.1 Date: 12 Jan 98 08:57:55 MDT References: <69d8ee$hhm$1@news.lth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: asy53.xy1.usu.edu In-Reply-To: <69d8ee$hhm$1@news.lth.se> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] Lines: 19 On 01/12/98, Christian Brunschen wrote: > In article , > wrote: > > Hello the net. > > I've got a little connection problem with an application. > > (I'm working with Openstep 4.2 on a Intel machine. ) I want > > to hide the password in a connection window (or panel) like > > the loginWindow one. I've done this by writing in white on > > a white background TextField. BUT!! Surprise! When you highlight > > the textField the password appears. (Not with LoginWindow) > > Have you got any tips for doing that or avoiding the problem? > > Make the textfield non-selectable ? (in IB, bring up the inspector > .... it's a checkbox there) > RTM NSSecureTextField #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!not-for-mail From: scholz@leo.org (Bernhard Scholz) Newsgroups: comp.parallel.pvm,comp.sys.next.programmer,de.comp.sys.next Subject: PVM on OPENSTEP for Intel Processors Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:31:12 GMT Organization: [posted via] Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-ID: <69dnhg$8l6$1@xeres.hsh.stusta.mhn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: xeres.hsh.stusta.mhn.de X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.parallel.pvm:7655 comp.sys.next.programmer:27342 de.comp.sys.next:15915 Hello, (sorry de.comp.sys.next readers, but this is a crossposting and I didn't wanted to write twice) I'm quite new to PVM and tried to install it on a NeXT machine running NEXTSTEP 3.3 and on an Intel Pentium machine running OPENSTEP 4.2 Version to install was 3.3 Everything compiled fine (and works) with PVM_ARCH NEXT. I'm using .rhost file and the testing: 'rsh host ls' works fine for both maschines. Now I do have a nice effect: Starting pvm on the NEXTSTEP3.3 machine (NeXT hardware) is ok, adding the OPENSTEP machine works fine, too. Starting pvm on the OPENSTEP 4.2 machine (Intel hardware) is ok, adding the NEXTSTEP machine hangs. I simply can't add any machines from the OPENSTEP machine. However the testprograms run in an environment built from the NEXTSTEP machine. .. but some things don't work on the OPENSTEP side. E.g. pvm_mcast often gives me illegal value errors, while on the NEXTSTEP side this doesn't happen. also the console doesn't work correct. E.g. I can spawn processes but I can't kill them (also illegal argument). I'm guessing there is something wrong with the data encoding. (e.g. little-endian to big-endian conversion) but I don't know how to port to different architectures because there is no porting guide. Has anybody else experiences with PVM and OPENSTEP. Any help/hint would be very much appreciated. Greetings, Bernhard. -- Bernhard Scholz http://www.leo.org/~scholz/ Peanuts FTP Admin http://peanuts.leo.org/ scholz@leo.org, (StuSta ONLY: boerny@xenia.hsh.stusta.mhn.de) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!gaea.omnigroup.com!gaea.omnigroup.com!not-for-mail From: tjw@penguin.omnigroup.walrus.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: egcs, gcc, OPENSTEP, and Apple Date: 11 Jan 1998 17:21:48 -0800 Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <69br7c$612$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> References: <6929t8$fln$1@darla.visi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gaea.omnigroup.com I've got the 971225 snapshot of egcs running on i386-next-nextstep4. It required a few Makefile and specs changes, but nothing really major. I haven't done extensive testing, but it was able to compile itself (ie, the stage2 build worked) and I was able to link against Foundation and call some methods therein. I'm guessing that it could be configured as 'ppc-next-nextstep4' on Rhapsody and would probably compile and run. I haven't tried it due to a lack of willingness to wait for it to finish building on RDR. I'll probably get around to it fairly soon and/or have my nextstep4 changes rolled back into the main egcs repository. Really, the biggest thing that Apple could do would be to *really* start using the GNU compiler again. gcc on OpenStep/4.2 *claims* it is gcc 2.7.2, but if you look at the source you'll see that it is very far from this since it doesn't use the latest GNU assembler and linker which are based on the GNU BFD (binary file descriptor library). -tim dwy@ace.net (David Young) writes: >I'm pretty certain people with clues from Apple read this group, and I'm sure >someone there already knows about this, but: >[begin excerpt from http://www.cygnus.com/egcs/] >egcs is an experimental step in the development of GCC, the GNU C compiler. >A bunch of us (including Fortran, Linux, Intel and RTEMS hackers) have gotten >together to return to the fundamental idea that code visibility and >submissions from the net are vital to the long term improvement of the >compiler. We are going to integrate variations and patches to GCC that are >floating around, including some front-ends like g77 (Fortran). We are going >to work closely with the free OS'es (e.g. Linux, *BSD) where GCC is a >critical piece of infrastructure. We invite you to join us. >[end excerpt] >For the most part, it doesn't seem all that interesting, except for the last >two lines. and hey, if you can get people to maintain your compiler for free, >well then... whatever. >-- >:: d a v i d y o u n g ::::: smtp dwy@ace.net http www.ace.net :: -- Remove the animals from my email address to respond via email. Hey spam kings ... parse these email addresses! postmaster@localhost postmaster@127.0.0.1 root@localhost root@127.0.0.1 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news.idt.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-hh.maz.net!desire.lavielle.com!news From: Valentino Kyriakides Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Q: OmniWeb API or access? Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:57:41 +0100 Organization: Lavielle Lines: 36 Message-ID: <34BA0535.536C@lavielle.com> References: <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: wildfire.lavielle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4c) First of all, thanks to all that reponded! From Timothy J. Luoma: > Note: OmniWeb was already running when I tried this... If I tried it when OW > was not running, it just seemed to launch OW and then I had to do it again to > get the URL to open. I verified this and you are right, in order to apply an URL OmniWeb should be running. From Erik Dörnenburg: > If you are writing an application you might want to call OmniWeb directly to > avoid the overhead of launching a shell and another task. Under OPENSTEP you > could something like the following. > ... > ... > ... This seems to be an elegant way for NS/OS applications, I will try it out in one of my personal apps. Again, thanks! Valentino -- Valentino Kyriakides Lavielle EDV Systemberatung GmbH & Co. Tel.: +49(0)40 / 65 80 8 - 997 Lotharstrasse 2b, D-22041 Hamburg, Germany Fax.: +49(0)40 / 65 808-202 http://www.lavielle.com/ mailto: vkyr@lavielle.com #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!news.alienor.fr!xlan!news From: fgalot@x-lan.alienor.fr Subject: How to hide the password? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: deneb Message-ID: Sender: news@x-lan.alienor.fr Organization: x&lan X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.8a) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:37:54 GMT Lines: 21 Hello the net. I've got a little connection problem with an application. (I'm working with Openstep 4.2 on a Intel machine. ) I want to hide the password in a connection window (or panel) like the loginWindow one. I've done this by writing in white on a white background TextField. BUT!! Surprise! When you highlight the textField the password appears. (Not with LoginWindow) Have you got any tips for doing that or avoiding the problem? Thanks for help. -- --------------------------------------- ® ® | ® O_O ® ® | O_O -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Fred Galot fgalot@x-lan.alienor.fr #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.ecrc.net!europa.clark.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!nocemed!mmfcancel!cyberspam!chainsaw Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: Control: cancel <69c7pk$9ht$2@news.corpcomm.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <69c7pk$9ht$2@news.corpcomm.net> no reply ignore Reply-To: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:00:23 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Cancel-Flags: a X-Orig-Path: europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.165.217.102!news.corpcomm.net!news Sender: "Nick Rudnik" X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: pmwino1-15.rconnect.com X-Cancel-ID: 5J^SZ@L>(Q(T`1.D77#= Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: WU-FTPD Date: 13 Jan 1998 01:16:49 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <69efa1$s75$2@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <34BAB7FA.7AB16897@gildea.net> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.8.169 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Vincent Janelle wrote: > Okay.. had a couple boxes die from such the high load.. anyone know if I > can do the > following: > > GCC on NeXT/OPEN STEP 4.2 > gnu Libc 5.* (For the bloddy includes.. and stuff :) > WU-FTPD <-- This is the biggie.. the FTPd that came with OPENSTEP kinda, > well.. didn't cut it compared to the FBSD install that was on there. WU-ftpd compiles fine under OPENSTEP *if* you have the development environment from NeXT; there are probably also precompiled versions available on the standard NeXT ftp archives. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cswiger@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+------------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist. #################################################################### MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Help: grepy script From: John Kheit Reply-To: jkheit@xtdl.com Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.8b) NNTP-Posting-Host: whiskey.xtdl.com Message-ID: <34b9af90.0@206.25.228.5> Date: 12 Jan 98 05:52:16 GMT Lines: 16 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.25.228.5!206.25.228.5!whiskey.xtdl.com Question about fixing .eps files. I have a CD full of eps's, but unfortunatly they are ms product derivatives and all munged. I want to make a script that will copy the good parts of the file into new files and recreate the file hierchy. I know how to do most of it except cant seem to get the most basic part done. Namely something to solve/do this: RandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapTextStuf fRandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapText%!PS-Adobe-2.0EPSF-1.2StuffGoodStuffIWant ToKeepGoodStuffIWantToKeepGoodStuffIWantToKeepGoodStuffIWantToKeepGoodStuff IWantToKeepGoodStuffIWantToKeepGoodStuffIWantToKeepGoodStuffIWantToKeepGood StuffIWantToKeep%%TrailerRandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapTe xtStuffRandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapTextStuff Or more real world... ¯˜½“ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: WU-FTPD Date: 13 Jan 1998 02:37:29 GMT Organization: none Lines: 20 Message-ID: <69ek19$8sp$8@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <34BAB7FA.7AB16897@gildea.net> <69efa1$s75$2@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <69efa1$s75$2@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> Chuck Swiger wrote: > WU-ftpd compiles fine under OPENSTEP *if* you have the development > environment from NeXT; there are probably also precompiled versions available > on the standard NeXT ftp archives. I don't know how recent this is anymore.... ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/ftp/wu-ftpd.2.4.2-beta-13.NIHS.bs.tar.gz ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/ftp/wu-ftpd.2.4.2-beta-13.README TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc Subject: cmsg cancel <69d5ui$8sm$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Control: cancel <69d5ui$8sm$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Date: 12 Jan 1998 13:35:28 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: aybnqtjp@msn.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.84.255.3!news.hkt.net!news.netvigator.com!usenet X-Original-Subject: Looking for a S/N? X-Original-Date: 12 Jan 1998 13:30:58 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: hhtak007013.netvigator.com X-Original-From: aybnqtjp@msn.com X-CosmoTraq: +59;WE,>/2B$,K']U;OGB_QIM1$9!#>V(3#M$Q References: NNTP-Posting-Host: batch-1.efd.lth.se NNTP-Posting-User: d89cb Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.stupi.se!genius.dat.hk-r.se!news.lth.se!d89cb In article , wrote: > Hello the net. >I've got a little connection problem with an application. (I'm working with Openstep 4.2 on >a Intel machine. ) >I want to hide the password in a connection window (or panel) like the loginWindow one. >I've done this by writing in white on a white background TextField. BUT!! Surprise! When >you highlight the textField the password appears. (Not with LoginWindow) > Have you got any tips for doing that or avoiding the problem? Make the textfield non-selectable ? (in IB, bring up the inspector ... it's a checkbox there) >Thanks for help. // Christian Brunschen #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.frankfurt.ecrc.net!news.duesseldorf.ecrc.net!news.technet.net!not-for-mail From: szallies@energotec.de (Constantin Szallies) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Q: OmniWeb API or access? Date: 12 Jan 1998 09:07:53 GMT Organization: Technet GmbH Lines: 20 Message-ID: <69cmh9$8le$1@oxygen.technet.net> References: <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.80.193.122 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Valentino_Kyriakides@public.uni-hamburg.de (Valentino Kyriakides) wrote: >Is there a sort of OmniWeb API? > >What I need is the ability to start or access OmniWeb with a specific >URL location, from inside another app (maybe out of Emacs). > >I saw that there is an "openURL" binary inside OmniWeb.app, but it >doesn't seem to recognize parameters? > >Any help would be very welcome! The NeXTSTEP API had a function called NXPerformService to invoke a service of some application. I don't know if this is still in the Openstep API. Greetings -- # Constantin Szallies, Energotec GmbH # szallies@energotec.de # http://www.energotec.de/~szallies/ # 49211-9144018 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!bignews.mediaways.net!jupiter.NIC.DTAG.DE!object-factory.com!not-for-mail From: Erik Doernenburg Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Q: OmniWeb API or access? Date: 12 Jan 1998 09:29:51 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Lines: 46 Message-ID: <69cnqf$84k$1@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> <69b2oe$8li$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wintermute.object-factory.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > In <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > > > I saw that there is an "openURL" binary inside OmniWeb.app, but it > > doesn't seem to recognize parameters? > > % openURL > usage: openURL url If you are writing an application you might want to call OmniWeb directly to avoid the overhead of launching a shell and another task. Under OPENSTEP you could something like the following. NSPasteboard *pboard; NSArray *urlPboardTypes; NSString *serviceName; pboard = [NSPasteboard pasteboardWithName:@"URLServicePasteboard"]; urlPboardTypes = [NSArray arrayWithObjects:NSStringPboardType, nil]; [pboard declareTypes:urlPboardTypes owner:nil]; [pboard setString:url forType:NSStringPboardType]; if((serviceName = [[NSUserDefaults standardUserDefaults] stringForKey:@"URLService"]) == nil) serviceName = @"OmniWeb/Open URL"; NSPerformService(serviceName, pboard); Note that it is good practice to check the user's browser preference and that most relevant applications agree on the name "URLService" for that purpose. > Note: OmniWeb was already running when I tried this... If I tried it when > OW was not running, it just seemed to launch OW and then I had to do it > again to get the URL to open. This might be due to a timeout. I suppose that the little command line program uses the same method that I described above and service invocations have a timeout after which the service request is considered to have failed. The timeout can be configure somewhere in the application that provides the service. erik -- Erik Dörnenburg - http://www.object-factory.com/~erik This message transmitted by 100% recyclable electrons #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!newshost.uni-koblenz.de!not-for-mail From: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.Drop_This.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Help: grepy script Date: 12 Jan 1998 10:41:58 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / CC Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: <69cs1m$fr3$1@newshost> References: <34b9af90.0@206.25.228.5> NNTP-Posting-Host: nifty In article <34b9af90.0@206.25.228.5> writes: > Question about fixing .eps files. I have a CD full of eps's, but > unfortunatly they are ms product derivatives and all munged. I want to > make a script that will copy the good parts of the file into new files and > recreate the file hierchy. I know how to do most of it except cant seem to > get the most basic part done. Namely something to solve/do this: > > RandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapTextStuf > fRandomCrapTextStuffRandomCrapText%!PS-Adobe-2.0EPSF-1.2StuffGoodStuffIWant > ToKeepGoodStuffIWantToKeepGoodStuffIWantToKeepGoodStuffIWantToKeepGoodStuff This is the EPS preview format used by some MS-DOS/Win programs. It's a rather simple format. The File starts with a 32 byte header: struct eps_hdr { u_char magic[4]; long eps_offset; long eps_length; long wmf_offset; long wmf_length; long tiff_offset; long tiff_length; long checksum; }; Magic number is xC5 xD0 xD3 xC6, byte order for long's is little-endian. If the magic number starts with x25 x21 (%!) it is real EPS :-). The header simply describes the absolute byte offset end length for the three possible sections "real EPS", "Windows Meta-File" and "TIFF". If any offset or length is zero, that section is missing. Should be fairly easy to write an extractor in perl. Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Universitaet Koblenz, FB Informatik | Fon:+49 261 9119-421 Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany | Fax:+49 261 9119-497 NeXT/MIME/Email: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.Drop_This.de Drop the "Drop_This." part in my Email-address to reply. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.pop.de!jupiter.NIC.DTAG.DE!object-factory.com!not-for-mail From: Erik Doernenburg Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: referencing objects in nibfiles by name Date: 9 Jan 1998 08:54:28 GMT Organization: Object Factory GmbH (Germany) Lines: 27 Message-ID: <694ok4$8kh$1@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <6939br$npv$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: wintermute.object-factory.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) wrote: > in interface builder there is the possibiliy of naming all instantiated > objects (either by changing the default name in the icon view or by a menu > command). > > does a NSDictionary exist at runtime containing the names set in IB > associated with their objects? > > besides voiding the need from creating and connecting hundreds of outlets > this would vastly enhance the flexibility of my application. (no need to > recompile after adding/ deleting new objects) Whether or not names are better than outlets is a discussion which I don't want to start here. Partly, because Apple made it academic as the naming feature is no longer present in the OPENSTEP and Rhapsody InterfaceBuilder. To answer your question, there's NXGetNamedObject() in the old, non-OpenStep AppKit with which you can access objects by their name. (Finally, please indicate which version you are using. I mean, in this case I could infer that you have 3.3...) erik -- Erik Dörnenburg - http://www.object-factory.com/~erik This message transmitted by 100% recyclable electrons #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news2.euro.net!news3.euro.net!basil!news From: tom@basil.icce.dev.rug.null.nl (Tom Hageman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Q: OmniWeb API or access? Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:41:42 GMT Organization: Warty Wolfs Sender: news@basil.icce.rug.nl (NEWS pusher) Message-ID: References: <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p011.spy.euronet.nl X-Nntp-Posting-Host: polly X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82 [trh7]) Lines: 20 Valentino_Kyriakides@public.uni-hamburg.de (Valentino Kyriakides) wrote: > Is there a sort of OmniWeb API? > > What I need is the ability to start or access OmniWeb with a specific > URL location, from inside another app (maybe out of Emacs). > > I saw that there is an "openURL" binary inside OmniWeb.app, but it > doesn't seem to recognize parameters? "openURL http://www.next.com/" does seem to work, but only if OmniWeb is already running... (OW2.7b3) If you have Christian Limpach's open replacement installed, you can say: run OmniWeb && openURL yourURLhere (assuming you have copied/linked openURL into a directory in your shell PATH) to workaround this deficiency. --Tom. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!discovery.intergate.bc.ca!not-for-mail From: Vincent Janelle Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: WU-FTPD Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:40:26 -0800 Organization: Internet Gateway Corporation Lines: 12 Message-ID: <34BAB7FA.7AB16897@gildea.net> Reply-To: malokai@gildea.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1s7.intergate.bc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: discovery.intergate.bc.ca 884651273 2855 (None) 205.206.192.108 X-Complaints-To: usenet@discovery.intergate.bc.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) Okay.. had a couple boxes die from such the high load.. anyone know if I can do the following: GCC on NeXT/OPEN STEP 4.2 gnu Libc 5.* (For the bloddy includes.. and stuff :) WU-FTPD <-- This is the biggie.. the FTPd that came with OPENSTEP kinda, well.. didn't cut it compared to the FBSD install that was on there. Any help, thanks. I'm a OPENSTEP newbie, so don't start a flame war if I can't do this stuff :) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-ge.switch.ch!news.unige.ch!news From: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: setIndependentConversationQueueing: ??? Date: 13 Jan 1998 11:44:54 GMT Organization: University of Geneva Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <69fk3m$2mc@uni2f.unige.ch> Reply-To: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.33.227.252 X-Newsreader: Kiwi [version .11] Hi all Has anybody ever used setIndependentConversationQueueing:? At my place it seems to have no effect at all! Whatever I set or I don©t set, the behavour keeps beeing the same, although the variable has in fact been set. Regards Phil #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.parallel.pvm,comp.sys.next.programmer,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Re: PVM on OPENSTEP for Intel Processors Message-ID: From: edx@cc.usu.edu Date: 12 Jan 98 23:57:48 MDT References: <69dnhg$8l6$1@xeres.hsh.stusta.mhn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp19.nb2.usu.edu In-Reply-To: <69dnhg$8l6$1@xeres.hsh.stusta.mhn.de> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] Lines: 36 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.parallel.pvm:7661 comp.sys.next.programmer:27357 de.comp.sys.next:15923 On 01/12/98, Bernhard Scholz wrote: > Now I do have a nice effect: Starting pvm on the NEXTSTEP3.3 machine > (NeXT hardware) is ok, adding the OPENSTEP machine works fine, too. > Starting pvm on the OPENSTEP 4.2 machine (Intel hardware) is ok, > adding the NEXTSTEP machine hangs. I simply can't add any machines > from the OPENSTEP machine. However the testprograms run in an > environment built from the NEXTSTEP machine. > > ... but some things don't work on the OPENSTEP side. E.g. pvm_mcast > often gives me illegal value errors, while on the NEXTSTEP side this > doesn't happen. also the console doesn't work correct. E.g. I can > spawn processes but I can't kill them (also illegal argument). > > > Has anybody else experiences with PVM and OPENSTEP. Any help/hint > would be very much appreciated. > I'm running PVM3.4 on a group of OpenStep/Intel machines. I can't say I've seen the same problems as you have, but I'm not running in a mixed-endian environment either. I don't seem to have any trouble with the console - I can both spawn processes and kill them. And so far all my little test programs seem to work fine. What version are you running? Did you get any compile errors? Oh, I did make one change to the conf/NEXT.def file before I compiled. I did add the -DNEEDMENDIAN flag in the ARCHCFLAGS line. You might try that, rebuild and see if it helps you. Let me know if that helps. edx@cc.usu.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.duesseldorf.ecrc.net!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news-han1.dfn.de!main.de.uu.net!EU.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-xfer.siscom.net!newsfeed.interlog.com!news.interlog.com!not-for-mail From: tekforce@interlog.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: >>> TOR-CANADA- Objective C P/A in NeXTstep/Backweb environment NEEDED >>> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 04:28:37 GMT Organization: Tech Force Search Group Lines: 47 Message-ID: <34b5a4fe.76239393@news.interlog.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-20-0-124.dialin.interlog.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Our valued client, an industry leader has asked us to find them: A Programmer/ Analyst with the following skill sets; Objective C programming in a NeXT Step environment. 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Date: 13 Jan 1998 21:51:51 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 49 Message-ID: <69gnln$ivr$1@news.digifix.com> References: <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> <69b2oe$8li$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <69cnqf$84k$1@leonie.object-factory.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com In-Reply-To: <69cnqf$84k$1@leonie.object-factory.com> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00079 On 01/11/98, Erik Doernenburg wrote: >(Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: >> In <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Valentino Kyriakides wrote: >> >> > I saw that there is an "openURL" binary inside OmniWeb.app, but it >> > doesn't seem to recognize parameters? >> >> % openURL >> usage: openURL url > >If you are writing an application you might want to call OmniWeb directly to >avoid the overhead of launching a shell and another task. Under OPENSTEP you >could something like the following. > > NSPasteboard *pboard; > NSArray *urlPboardTypes; > NSString *serviceName; > > pboard = [NSPasteboard pasteboardWithName:@"URLServicePasteboard"]; > urlPboardTypes = [NSArray arrayWithObjects:NSStringPboardType, nil]; > [pboard declareTypes:urlPboardTypes owner:nil]; > [pboard setString:url forType:NSStringPboardType]; > > if((serviceName = [[NSUserDefaults standardUserDefaults] > stringForKey:@"URLService"]) == nil) > serviceName = @"OmniWeb/Open URL"; > NSPerformService(serviceName, pboard); > >Note that it is good practice to check the user's browser preference and that >most relevant applications agree on the name "URLService" for that purpose. There is a problem with this approach (and I've just verified it under RDR1) If you call that a second time, you get a Bad Value error and the Browser doesn't open... anyone have any idea what causes this, or more importantly, how to get around this? Its rather urgent. -- Scott Anguish NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.225.0.2!news.ruraltel.net!justin@ruraltel.net From: bextek@bextek.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Low cost computer hardware Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:46:52 PST Organization: Email PLATINUM Lines: 2 Message-ID: <69gukn$o9f6500@news.ruraltel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p75n15.ruraltel.net For low cost computer hardware go to http://bextek.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc Subject: cmsg cancel <69hte7$8sd$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Control: cancel <69hte7$8sd$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Date: 14 Jan 1998 08:40:45 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: fvgimhwc@fast.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.84.255.3!news.hkt.net!news.netvigator.com!usenet X-Original-Subject: Looking for a S/N?--------UPDATED X-Original-Date: 14 Jan 1998 08:36:23 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: hhtak009142.netvigator.com X-Original-From: fvgimhwc@fast.com X-CosmoTraq: (=IQY,54XRB,/#M7;TCL'%T?3<,L5CC$:9Q3R6LU X-Cancel-ID: //$`UUMN$%]VYZ\V#2!O#FPA,`>+GD"/IA??9CU0GSZ<46`WN\YPO]9' X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!sun4nl!Utrecht.NL.net!not-for-mail From: "Michiel van der Straten" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: OpenStep postscript tray selection Xerox4517mp Date: 14 Jan 1998 10:02:16 GMT Organization: NLnet Message-ID: <01bd20d3$7cce3900$e1fdb2c2@pc0299> NNTP-Posting-Host: tb99-0.tilburg.nl.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 17 Hi there, I have a problem regarding printing on a Xerox4517mp printer using OpenStep Enterprise V. 4.1 applications (postscript) on Windows NT 4.0. When I try to select the lower 1 or lower 2 tray of this printer in an application like TextEdit, the application crashes or the document is printed on paper from the upper tray. I can't make a proper tray selection this way.... Can someone please tell me if this is a bug in OpenStep (maybe v. 4.2 will solve the problem)? Thanks! Michiel van der Straten Software Engineer De Efteling B.V. email: m.van.der.straten@efteling.nl #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!198.168.100.2!altitude!fabre.act.qc.ca!ama From: Andre-John Mas Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Cross-Platform API Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:37:36 -0500 Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fabre.act.qc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27439 comp.sys.next.programmer:27362 Hi, Did I hear right when someone told be that Apple would be creating a compatibility API so that I would be able to recompile my Rhapsody app so that it would work on MacOS, Windows (Unix?) ? If I did hear right could someone point me in the direction of some documenation and an estimated release date for when this would be released to programmers. Also, does anyone know where I can find a valid link that shows that design approach to Rhapsody. Apple seems to have reorganised some of it site without updating some of its links. Thanks AJ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!ironhorse.plsys.co.uk!not-for-mail From: mmalcolm crawford Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 Date: 15 Jan 1998 13:12:40 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Lines: 12 Message-ID: <69l208$g4s$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <34bd16f3.0@nntp1.nac.net> <69jkqh$l3m$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pheasant.plsys.co.uk In-Reply-To: <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00083 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29445 comp.sys.next.software:32148 comp.sys.next.programmer:27363 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92505 On 01/15/98, Josh Hesse wrote: >This is one of the things that bug me about NeXT. >Almost every other *NIX system that I know of has at least a >c compiler with it. > Solaris? Best wishes, mmalc. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!blackbush.xlink.net!connemara.xlink.net!linux1.netconx.de!news From: Stefan Ried Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "Death of Window Server" msgs... Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:01:19 +0100 Organization: Intershop Communications Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34BE24BF.21744F21@intershop.de> References: <34bd175b.0@donald.info2000.net> <69kjta$aci@uni2f.unige.ch> Reply-To: Stefan.Ried@intershop.de NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.101.66.130 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) assuming your are using OpenStep4.2/mach. This is a known bug in the 4.2 Window-Server for certain color depths. Change to a higher or lower color depth. stefan #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!io.bjke.com!newsadmin@bjke.com From: "Terry B. Foster" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Interface SimpleAssociationDestination of class (n) not found - Client-side java Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:54:24 -0600 Organization: Temerlin McClain Lines: 18 Message-ID: <69iqm5$9e1@io.bjke.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.210.15.85 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I'm trying to bring in a java class example (basic one from JDK demos) and make it a java client-side applet. I'm using NT version of Web Objects 3.5. I followed the instructions at this URL and in the the WO Docs, but am still getting the same error when performing a build: Interface SimpleAssociationDestination of class ArcTest not found. My news groups are limited so this is the only "next" group I have access to. Thanks for any help. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnews.unl.edu!manager From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 Date: 15 Jan 1998 07:15:42 GMT Organization: Spontaneous Freelance Network Consulting, UnInc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <34bd16f3.0@nntp1.nac.net> <69jkqh$l3m$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bigred.unl.edu X-HTML:
X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29447 comp.sys.next.software:32149 comp.sys.next.programmer:27366 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92516 Timothy J. Luoma (NOSPAM@ALL.PLS) wrote: : In <34bd16f3.0@nntp1.nac.net> Robert Palma wrote: : > I have a NextStation with 3.3 on it. There is no compiler (cc or : gcc)...Where : > can I get one for it? : : Well, you'd have to get the entire developer CD.... gcc without the header : files, etc it is useless.... : This is one of the things that bug me about NeXT. Almost every other *NIX system that I know of has at least a c compiler with it. Why doesn't NeXT? I don't need IB or the rest of the development tools, I would just like to be able to compile "Hello World." Christ, NS3.3 EVEN HAS THE MAN PAGES FOR GNU C INSTALLED! -Josh -- Do not send mail to this account. Really. "Talk about silly conspiracy theories..." -Wayne Schlitt in unl.general This post (C)1998, Josh Hesse. Quoted material is (C) of the person quoted. |ess|erb|unl|u| ##THIS SPACE## How's my posting? 1-800-DEV-NULL email: jh|e@h|ie.|.ed| ## FOR RENT ## .Sigfile freshness date: 1/8/98 "Do not meddle in the affairs of the Internet, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." -Dan Zerkle in news.admin.net-abuse.email #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-feed2!btnet!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!cunews!csaldanh From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 15 Jan 1998 15:00:48 GMT Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 19 Message-ID: <69l8b0$ltd$1@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> References: <34bd16f3.0@nntp1.nac.net> <69jkqh$l3m$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <69l4vd$iv8$2@leonie.object-factory.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.mae.carleton.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29448 comp.sys.next.software:32150 comp.sys.next.programmer:27367 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92518 Holger Hoffstaette (holger@object-factory.REMOVETHIS.com) wrote: : mmalcolm crawford wrote: : > On 01/15/98, Josh Hesse wrote: : > >This is one of the things that bug me about NeXT. : > >Almost every other *NIX system that I know of has at least a : > >c compiler with it. : > > : > Solaris? : IRIX? Ever used the HP-UX compiler that comes with the OS? It would be better not to have one... ;-) --Chris Chris Saldanha | Computers are useless. Carleton University (Comp. Sci) | They can only give you answers. csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) | http://www.mae.carleton.ca/~csaldanh | -Pablo Picasso #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!fastnet!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.fanniemae.com!news-admn@fanniemae.com From: Michael R Rousseau Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 Date: 15 Jan 1998 16:08:08 GMT Organization: Fannie Mae Lines: 48 Message-ID: <69lc98$ce01@postman.fanniemae.com> References: <34bd16f3.0@nntp1.nac.net> <69jkqh$l3m$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rotflmao.staging.fanniemae.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29450 comp.sys.next.software:32152 comp.sys.next.programmer:27368 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92529 Regarding Josh's rant on free cc inclusion in "every" UN*X distribution, Sun ceased that policy around Solaris 2.3. Yell at Sun for charging ~$10K for Workshop, while you are at it. In my experience, teh widely used development platforms do NOT include C compilers and headers for free any more. Also-rans like Ultrix and HP/UX might, but how many sites develop with those vs. Solaris? Just my $.02. Don't spam me or anyone else, for that matter. Mike ----------------------------------------------------------- Michael Rousseau michael_rousseau@No_Spam.for.you! UNIX Systems Administration 202.752-5*** ASCII, MIME, & NeXTMail capable ----------------------------------------------------------- Windows 95: A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. -Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------- 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) wrote: >Timothy J. Luoma (NOSPAM@ALL.PLS) wrote: >: In <34bd16f3.0@nntp1.nac.net> Robert Palma wrote: >: > I have a NextStation with 3.3 on it. There is no compiler (cc or >: gcc)...Where >: > can I get one for it? >: >: Well, you'd have to get the entire developer CD.... gcc without the header >: files, etc it is useless.... >: >This is one of the things that bug me about NeXT. >Almost every other *NIX system that I know of has at least a >c compiler with it. Why doesn't NeXT? I don't need IB or the rest >of the development tools, I would just like to be able to compile >"Hello World." > >Christ, NS3.3 EVEN HAS THE MAN PAGES FOR GNU C INSTALLED! > >-Josh >-- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!news.unige.ch!news From: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "Death of Window Server" msgs... Date: 15 Jan 1998 09:12:10 GMT Organization: University of Geneva Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <69kjta$aci@uni2f.unige.ch> References: <34bd175b.0@donald.info2000.net> Reply-To: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.33.227.252 X-Newsreader: Kiwi [version .11] In "Death of Window Server" msgs... comp.sys.next.programmer scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) writes, > > Am getting this msg and think it is pointer related (some sort > of pointer prob). Haven't seen it before. Can anyone give clues as > to what it means? The app exits and even with gdb running, the frame > browser info is dumped so I cannot review the frames leading up to the > crash. The prob does come and go in a flakey manner suggesting ptr > prob--have been trying to isolate the prob but it seems to move around. > Ran NEXT's mem leak tool and it found zero leaks. One *big* question > is whether there are more comprehensive mem prob detection tools/utilities > available???? Another would be where is a good source of info on error > msgs?? Anything hidden away in online docs? > > Here's the msg: > > > Lab[741]: DPS client library error: Error while writing to connection, DPSContext 908c784, data 0 > Mar 14 09:18:52 localhost physics_lab[741]: Exiting due to Window Server death I have the same problem. About twice a day I have to reboot because of that. I use many applications remote. Phil #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!bolzen.in-berlin.de!news.all.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news.dkrz.de!news.uni-hamburg.de!not-for-mail From: Valentino_Kyriakides@public.uni-hamburg.de (Valentino Kyriakides) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Q: OmniWeb API or access? Date: 11 Jan 1998 15:23:16 GMT Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany Lines: 17 Message-ID: <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Reply-To: Valentino_Kyriakides@public.uni-hamburg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-247.public.uni-hamburg.de X-Newsreader: HNNews 0.96 Is there a sort of OmniWeb API? What I need is the ability to start or access OmniWeb with a specific URL location, from inside another app (maybe out of Emacs). I saw that there is an "openURL" binary inside OmniWeb.app, but it doesn't seem to recognize parameters? Any help would be very welcome! ________________________________________________________________ Valentino Kyriakides Universitaet Hamburg, FB. Informatik Arbeitsbereich Softwaretechnik ________________________________________________________________ E-Mail: 1kyriaki@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (ASCII, MIME) NeXTmail: Valentino_Kyriakides@public.uni-hamburg.de ________________________________________________________________ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: anyone gotten sock5 to compile under NS 3.3? Date: 15 Jan 1998 18:57:02 GMT Organization: none Lines: 24 Message-ID: <69lm5u$6ak$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) It seems to come very close to compiling: cc -I. -I../include -I./../lib -I./../include -D__USE_FIXED_PROTOTYPES__ -DIN_SERVER -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -o socks5 daemon.o socket.o proxy.o tcp.o flow.o info.o validate.o sema.o gss.o udp.o udputil.o tracer.o msg.o protocol.o upwd.o log.o confutil.o buffer.o null.o addr.o packet.o s2s.o sident.o shim.o cram.o monSocksClient.o ld: Undefined symbols: _S_ISLNK Of course I'm clueless as to what to do, other than rm -rf TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### From: scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: Need info on using NXImage....is this right? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer References: <34b7edd5.0@donald.info2000.net> <34B8DFD9.A1BC7DBF@ibm.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: <34b9082c.0@donald.info2000.net> Date: 11 Jan 98 17:58:04 GMT Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!enews.sgi.com!coop.net!coopnews.coop.net!donald.info2000.net!scamp Seeger Fisher (seegerf@ibm.net) wrote: : Richard Warner wrote: : > I need to do some drawing at the pixel level... : > 1) Make a two-dimensional array of unsigned chars to hold your : > data. : yes, generally you want 3 or 4 bytes per pixel, though. ok, 4 bytes if want alpha. Don't some video adapters allow more than one byte per color component? What about svga or ultra-vga? Wondering if ok to put more bytes and then the NXImage scales it down if needed to the hardware device? You know, say the format is RGB and the pixel depth is 6 x 8 = 48 bits/pixel. Two bytes per color component and if the hardware only supports 3 byte depth then it gets automagically converted when NXImage renders to the video adapter. ?? : > 3) 4) 5) : no, no, no, instead,. inside the drawRect: of your NSView (or drawSelf:: in NS) : composite the N*BitmapImageRep directly using drawAtPoint:, or whatever it's : called (I believe it's declared in N*ImageRep). If you want your image to : automagically scale, you can use the drawInRect version of the imageRep : compositing methods. Hmmmm. I don't see an Instance Variable of NXImage in a View object. That was what was puzzling me. Seems like you need to somehow associate an NXImage with the View as opposed to there being one and only one there by default. There are methods for adding subVIEWS but not for adding NXImages. Ohhhh! Wait maybe I see. Somewhat nonintuitive. Are you saying that inside your View's drawself: method, you would send a msg of the form [talkToNXImage composite:operator toPoint:NXPoint] and it would assume the point is in the current Views coordinate system and thus that is how it would know what View it draws to??? Makes sense, I suppose. I was looking for the View to either have an NXImage instance variable, or a way of managing NXImages. : you need to at least read once over the docs on bitmapimagerep. if you do rgb and : 24 bit color, then you get one byte per color per pixel, 0-255. you can then let Suppose 24 bit is most common, but don't want my code to gag on platforms with different depth. For instance, Nextstations could do 12-bit depth, and I know there are color displays that do more than 24 bit. Trying to come up with dynamic solution for creating bitmap image of correct depth for the display--or hoping NXImage will handle any necessary conversions for me. : yes, excepting that we are not dealing in double or even float land here. Hmmm I see. So I need to convert my high-precison numbers in the range from 0.0 to 1.0 to numbers in the range from 0 to 255. Thanks for the help. Hope this is useful to others too. Rich : -seeger : seegerf at ibm . net #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.pop.de!jupiter.NIC.DTAG.DE!object-factory.com!not-for-mail From: holger@object-factory.REMOVETHIS.com (Holger Hoffstaette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 Date: 15 Jan 1998 14:03:25 GMT Organization: the unstoppable code machine Lines: 16 Message-ID: <69l4vd$iv8$2@leonie.object-factory.com> References: <34bd16f3.0@nntp1.nac.net> <69jkqh$l3m$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu> <69l208$g4s$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: fafnir.object-factory.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29457 comp.sys.next.software:32161 comp.sys.next.programmer:27373 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92565 mmalcolm crawford wrote: > On 01/15/98, Josh Hesse wrote: > > >This is one of the things that bug me about NeXT. > >Almost every other *NIX system that I know of has at least a > >c compiler with it. > > > Solaris? IRIX? Holger -- Holger Hoffstaette - holger"at"object-factory.com Object Factory GmbH - http://www.object-factory.com/ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.61.103.81!eanews1!plnews.pl.unisys.com!trsvr!not-for-mail From: "Luke Renn" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: 15 Jan 1998 15:01:37 GMT Organization: ECDC Unisys Corp. Tredyffrin Lines: 36 Message-ID: <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rennla.tr.unisys.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27443 comp.sys.next.programmer:27374 I've heard this too..I can't really point you in any direction, but the people who made OmniWeb supposedly ported it to NT in one night using Rhapsody. luke -- reply to: ulrenn at mcs dot drexel dot edu "The programmer, like the poet, works only slightly removed from pure thought-stuff. He builds his castles in the air, from air, creating by exertion of the imagination." -- Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. "The Mythical Man Month" Andre-John Mas wrote in article ... > > Hi, > > Did I hear right when someone told be that Apple would be creating > a compatibility API so that I would be able to recompile my Rhapsody > app so that it would work on MacOS, Windows (Unix?) ? > > If I did hear right could someone point me in the direction of some > documenation and an estimated release date for when this would be > released to programmers. > > Also, does anyone know where I can find a valid link that shows that > design approach to Rhapsody. Apple seems to have reorganised some of > it site without updating some of its links. > > Thanks > > AJ > > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: bbumnospam@codenospamfab.nospamcom (Bill Bumgarner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: 15 Jan 1998 15:45:27 GMT Organization: CodeFab, Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <69laun$4mo$1@news.mxol.com> References: Reply-To: bbumnospam@codenospamfab.nospamcom (Bill Bumgarner) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.70 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: ama@fabre.act.qc.ca Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27444 comp.sys.next.programmer:27375 You heard correctly. It is the yellow box. Otherwise know as OpenStep. I.e.; develop your code for the yellow box on rhapsody and it can be compiled/deployed on WinNT/95 or MacOS. It works. It is available now; it is the programming environment included in Rhapsody. Next question? How many lines of code difference are typical for a large app? None. Really. I have worked with codebases up to 250,000 lines of code that compiled on OpenStep 4.2 for Intel, Motorola or Sparc as well as Windows NT (and in the case of non-AppKit code; Solaris, and HP-UX) without a single line of changes on a per platform basis. Java can't touch Yellow box in terms of cross platform compatibility. b.bum In Andre-John Mas wrote: > > Hi, > > Did I hear right when someone told be that Apple would be creating > a compatibility API so that I would be able to recompile my Rhapsody > app so that it would work on MacOS, Windows (Unix?) ? > > If I did hear right could someone point me in the direction of some > documenation and an estimated release date for when this would be > released to programmers. > > Also, does anyone know where I can find a valid link that shows that > design approach to Rhapsody. Apple seems to have reorganised some of > it site without updating some of its links. > > Thanks > > AJ > > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.0.145.5!news.icubed.com!Admin@icubed.com From: qsoft@vvi.com (Quality Software) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: TO: Rhapsody Software Manufacturers Date: 15 Jan 1998 16:05:22 GMT Organization: QSoft, A Division of VVI-DCS Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <69lc42$14k31@news.icubed.com> Reply-To: qsoft@vvi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.22.30.250 MacOS(R) to Rhapsody and OpenStep(TM) to Rhapsody Software Manufacturers: QSoft(TM), A Division of VVI-DCS(TM), in cooperation with the leading Rhapsody Software Manufacturers is making a cutting-edge CD called the QSoft CD (see http://www.qsoft.vvi.com for additional information). This CD is focused on high-quality commercial grade software that is targeted for Rhapsody and contains Rhapsody, OpenStep, OpenStep Enterprise, and Yellow Box solutions for Windows NT and Windows 95. This is an industrial strength CD with the backing of some serious Rhapsody based software development companies. If your company is interested in participating in this CD please contact qsoft@vvi.com for additional information. _________________________________ (C) Copyright 1998 VVimaging, Inc. (VVI-DCS); All rights reserved. QSoft, VVI Data Control Specialists, VVI-DCS, and VVimaging are trademarks of VVimaging, Inc. (VVI-DCS). MacOS, OpenStep and Apple are trademarks or registered trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc. All other trademarks and service marks belong to their respective owners. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!panix!news.panix.com!sal From: sal@panix3.panix.com (Salvatore Denaro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 Date: 15 Jan 1998 16:04:05 GMT Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <34bd16f3.0@nntp1.nac.net> <69jkqh$l3m$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu> <69l208$g4s$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <69l4vd$iv8$2@leonie.object-factory.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.3.1 UNIX) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29461 comp.sys.next.software:32164 comp.sys.next.programmer:27377 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92569 On 15 Jan 1998 14:03:25 GMT, Holger Hoffstaette wrote: >mmalcolm crawford wrote: >> On 01/15/98, Josh Hesse wrote: >> >This is one of the things that bug me about NeXT. >> >Almost every other *NIX system that I know of has at least a >> >c compiler with it. >> Solaris? >IRIX? SCO? -- sal@panix.com Salvatore Denaro "The reality of the software business today is that if you find something that can make you ridiculously rich, then that's something that Microsoft is going to take away from you." -- Max Metral #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!bolzen.in-berlin.de!news.all.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Q: OmniWeb API or access? Date: 11 Jan 1998 18:24:14 GMT Organization: none Lines: 23 Message-ID: <69b2oe$8li$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: Valentino_Kyriakides@public.uni-hamburg.de In <69ao54$mhm$1@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Valentino Kyriakides wrote: > I saw that there is an "openURL" binary inside OmniWeb.app, but it > doesn't seem to recognize parameters? % openURL usage: openURL url % openURL http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/ Note: OmniWeb was already running when I tried this... If I tried it when OW was not running, it just seemed to launch OW and then I had to do it again to get the URL to open. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### From: scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) Subject: Here is how to use NXImage,NXBitmapImageRep....Plus ???'s Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: <34be87dc.0@donald.info2000.net> Date: 15 Jan 98 22:04:12 GMT Lines: 68 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!coop.net!coopnews.coop.net!donald.info2000.net!scamp Hi - Have most of using an NXBitmapImageRep working. Will tell what I am doing for the edification of the readers, and then describe where a problem still exists. 1) Allocate and initialize an NXImage 2) Allocate and initialize an NXBitmapImageRep 3) add the representation to the NXImage's representation list using useRepresentation: method 4) When initializing the NXBitmapImageRep, the ptr argument for the data buffer was set to NULL. Thus the NXBitmapImageRep created its own buffer of the appropriate size (based on other init arguments). So I next get a ptr to the data buffer of the NXBitmapImageRep that is now "inside" the NXImage (courtesy of useRepresentation method). a) Get a list of the representations managed by NXImage using the representationList method b) Extract from the list the ptr to the particular rep of interest, my NXBitmapImageRep (which should be the only one there since I only added one). c) Get the ptr to the data buffer by sending the data method to the ptr to the rep ([myRep data]) 5) Write my data into the data buffer 6) Draw it to my View. Since 4.a-4.c and 5 and 6 are all taking place inside of the drawSelf method for my View, all I have to do is a composite:toPoint operation. And viola! It should work, right? Well it *does* work the first time I use it. With one caveat. The coordinate system is at least upside down and possibly backwards too (don't know yet). I generate the data and using pswraps draw the image correctly with 0,0 being lower left corner. But if I gen the data in the same order and place it into the data buffer of the NXBitmapImageRep starting at data[0], the image is displayed at least inverted. And with more testing may turn out to be backwards too. But the image values are displayed identical to the pswraps version. The other problem is more mysterious. Let's say I want to render the image a second time. The code gets down to where it is requesting the ptr to the data buffer and the application aborts because I am allegedly sending a data msg to an NXCachedImageRep instead of an NXBitmapImageRep. Odd, huh? Browsing through it with gdb, I see other interesting things. The NXBitmapImageRep is correctly allocated and initialized and has the correct name (does not think it is an NXCachedImageRep). After running the useRepresentation method for NXImage, there *is* a _rep data element in the NXImage, but it....sort of points to nothing. It *doesn't* have a value of NULL, and in the gdb browser there is an arrow which suggests one can look at a subscreen of its values, but when I click on it, I just get a blank subscreen. ??? Then, at the point where my code gets the list of representations, NXImage does indeed show that 1 and only 1 representation is being managed by it, but that is in fact an NXCachedImageRep. No where in my code is anything at all done with NXCachedImageRep or in fact any other rep besides the one bitmap. What gives?? I'm running NS3.3 and wondering if there are any big bugs in that version's NXImage stuff??? Could be a blessed ptr prob. But the mem leak detector finds nothing. Any suggestions on how to better track down mem probs in that environment besides the brute force manual method? Other utilities out there? Or is there something fundamentally wrong with the steps I've listed here for working with a bitmap image? Thanks in advance for any info and hope this is useful to others. Rich rwarner@prv.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <34be9478.0@news1.vsnet.ch> Control: cancel <34be9478.0@news1.vsnet.ch> Date: 15 Jan 1998 22:17:50 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: salo@mos.net Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news1.isdnet.net!imaginet.net!phoenix.siris.fr!ubnnews.unisource.ch!news1.vsnet.ch!195.54.194.111 X-Original-Subject: PLEASE HELP X-Original-Date: 15 Jan 98 22:58:00 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.vsnet.ch X-Original-From: salo@mos.net X-Original-X-Trace: ubnnews.unisource.ch 884902120 26333 (None) 153.109.10.12 X-CosmoTraq: 459=2($0-5;>56Y)GCTK27;H\<@#/?),$;BF-! X-Cancel-ID: $L3O6MONDTY)O8)E'S*>X4+T'XH+'L-^>>VRE4]BSA%R)$^Z.T[SKJD= X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!inet16.us.oracle.com!not-for-mail From: jlincoln@us.oracle.com (Jason Lincoln) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Help: Can't import Date: 15 Jan 1998 22:19:04 GMT Organization: Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA Lines: 11 Message-ID: <69m20o$l9k$1@inet16.us.oracle.com> Reply-To: jlincoln@us.oracle.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tsxy014-9-ppp-10.us.oracle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Hello All, I just reinstalled OS4.1 developer and know I cannot import appkit.h in my header files. The hear file, appkit.h, resides in /NextLibrary/Frameworks/Appkit.framework/Headers. Anyone know why the compiler cannot find appkit.h when I specify it to import it using #import ? Thanks, Jason #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!shell4.ba.best.com!darknerd From: Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NeXT Hardware Documents Wanted Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:49:09 -0800 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <34b9af90.0@206.25.228.5> <69cs1m$fr3$1@newshost> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell4.ba.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: 884904553 29293 darknerd 206.184.139.132 In-Reply-To: <69cs1m$fr3$1@newshost> Does anyone have any NeXT hardware documents that can be used in a Linux/m68k ports. Mail was sent to both Canon and AT&T whom may have such documents, but none of them have ever responded. Any help or references would be appreciated. Also, if does anyone have a NeXTBus Developer's Kit that I can have or borrow? - joaquin #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: cmsg cancel <69m55r$bl4@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <69m55r$bl4@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> Date: 15 Jan 1998 23:21:02 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: lueolgvb@hotmail.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news.idt.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news X-Original-Subject: Wanted: ****TICKLISH GUYS**** X-Original-Date: 15 Jan 1998 23:12:59 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: whp-ny1-02.ix.netcom.com X-Original-From: lueolgvb@hotmail.com X-CosmoTraq: 03Z!9N\.YTX,;.1Q#+.]NB-'V@Q%#A)8-4?30!\U7Z$B%E+M!X(.EDDH X-Cancel-ID: E(X9<.K]J7@3/TS*_1`#J\2^2:`:+=FH0V]\^BU`,]OT[GG02ET)V'.? X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.texas.net!news.texas.net!not-for-mail From: "Clemmensen" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: 16 Jan 1998 13:42:44 GMT Organization: ObjectWare, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bd2284$c7c759c0$2a02cfcf@armaga.texas.net> References: <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> <69n9jh$pd@lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: mnet01-42.austin.texas.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27448 comp.sys.next.programmer:27382 > > I've heard this too..I can't really point you in any direction, but the > > people who made OmniWeb supposedly ported it to NT in one night using > > Rhapsody. > > > > luke > > Where did You hear this? Will it be available for NT when finished? It's my > favourite browser. > I heard it from Ken Case during the Rhapsody BOF at MacWorld. Geert #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy References: <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu> From: robert@iamexwi.unibe.ch (Philippe Robert) Reply-To: robert@iamexwi.unibe.ch Organization: Dept. of CS, University of Berne, Switzerland Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 Summary: NNTP-Posting-Host: picasso.unibe.ch Message-ID: <34bf666b.0@news.unibe.ch> Date: 16 Jan 98 13:53:47 GMT Lines: 18 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-zh.switch.ch!news.unibe.ch!picasso.unibe.ch Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29468 comp.sys.next.software:32177 comp.sys.next.programmer:27383 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92662 In article <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu>, 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) writes: > This is one of the things that bug me about NeXT. > Almost every other *NIX system that I know of has at least a > c compiler with it. Why doesn't NeXT? I don't need IB or the rest > of the development tools, I would just like to be able to compile > "Hello World." This is not true: Solaris, Irix, ... ?! But you can always use hte freely avaliable gcc.... regards, Phil -- Philippe C.D. Robert - CS Student @ University of Bern Rhapsody/OpenStep Programmer NeXTmail & MIME are welcome @ Philippe.Robert@nice.ch http://www.nice.ch/~phip/ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!206.1.179.76!newsrouter.icnc.com!psinntp!news.ml.com!not-for-mail From: Joe Panico Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:00:25 -0500 Organization: Merrill Lynch Lines: 54 Message-ID: <34BF8419.998CDE64@ml.com> References: <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.24.222.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27450 comp.sys.next.programmer:27384 I hate to rain on the parade, but I think this may be a little misleading. First of all, there is *NO* Berkeley TCP style Socket class anywhere in the OpenStep APIs (unlike Java). OmniGroup has written there own OmniNetworking framework, which uses platform specific primitives (BSD sockets on Unix, WinSock on NT), and thus they were NOT completely insulated from the underlying system. They made OmniNetworking framework publically available, but in fact it did not work on NT because of the differences between WinSock and Berkeley sockets. Yes, OpenStep (Yellow box) is generally pretty transaparently cross-platform, but there are a few places where Java does a much better job. Luke Renn wrote: > I've heard this too..I can't really point you in any direction, but the > people who made OmniWeb supposedly ported it to NT in one night using > Rhapsody. > > luke > > -- > reply to: ulrenn at mcs dot drexel dot edu > > "The programmer, like the poet, works only slightly removed from pure > thought-stuff. He builds his castles in the air, from air, creating by > exertion of the imagination." > -- Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. "The Mythical Man Month" > > Andre-John Mas wrote in article > ... > > > > Hi, > > > > Did I hear right when someone told be that Apple would be creating > > a compatibility API so that I would be able to recompile my Rhapsody > > app so that it would work on MacOS, Windows (Unix?) ? > > > > If I did hear right could someone point me in the direction of some > > documenation and an estimated release date for when this would be > > released to programmers. > > > > Also, does anyone know where I can find a valid link that shows that > > design approach to Rhapsody. Apple seems to have reorganised some of > > it site without updating some of its links. > > > > Thanks > > > > AJ > > > > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Help: Can't import Date: 16 Jan 1998 07:36:42 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 23 Message-ID: <69n2ma$2h2$4@news.idiom.com> References: <69m20o$l9k$1@inet16.us.oracle.com> Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: jlincoln@us.oracle.com In <69m20o$l9k$1@inet16.us.oracle.com> Jason Lincoln wrote: -> Hello All, -> -> I just reinstalled OS4.1 developer and know I cannot import appkit.h in my -> header files. The hear file, appkit.h, resides in -> /NextLibrary/Frameworks/Appkit.framework/Headers. Anyone know why the -> compiler cannot find appkit.h when I specify it to import it using #import -> ? -> -> Thanks, -> Jason It's case-sensitive. Try: #import -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-ge.switch.ch!news.unige.ch!news From: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: "Death of Window Server" msgs... Date: 16 Jan 1998 08:56:19 GMT Organization: University of Geneva Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <69n7bj$ece@uni2f.unige.ch> References: <34BE24BF.21744F21@intershop.de> <34bd175b.0@donald.info2000.net> <69kjta$aci@uni2f.unige.ch> Reply-To: moetteli@citeu.unige.ch NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.33.227.252 X-Newsreader: Kiwi [version .11] In Re: "Death of Window Server" msgs... comp.sys.next.programmer Stefan Ried writes, > assuming your are using OpenStep4.2/mach. > > This is a known bug in the 4.2 Window-Server for certain color depths. > Change to a higher or lower color depth. Thanks for the information. At least I know now what it is, but unfortunately it©s a ColorStation. Phil #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!winx03!lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de!newsmaster From: rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhoefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: 16 Jan 1998 09:34:41 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Lines: 23 Message-ID: <69n9jh$pd@lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> Reply-To: rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: wex137.extern.uni-wuerzburg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: Luke.Renn@earth.org Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27451 comp.sys.next.programmer:27387 In <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> "Luke Renn" wrote: > I've heard this too..I can't really point you in any direction, but the > people who made OmniWeb supposedly ported it to NT in one night using > Rhapsody. > > luke Where did You hear this? Will it be available for NT when finished? It's my favourite browser. This may sound braindead but I kinda like the bookmark system and the idea of a webbrowser that's smaller than a gazillion bytes, doesn't execute strange code from somewhere beyond Alpha Centauri and has this cool process panel (OK, I admit it: I use it just to show off). Of course, with the integration of JavaScript and Java, the second point might change. -- "Um Energie zu sparen, wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (public key avaible at any key server near you ...) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!winx03!lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de!newsmaster From: rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhoefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 16 Jan 1998 09:07:29 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Lines: 24 Message-ID: <69n80h$pd@lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <34bd16f3.0@nntp1.nac.net> <69jkqh$l3m$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu> <69lc98$ce01@postman.fanniemae.com> Reply-To: rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: wex137.extern.uni-wuerzburg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: Michael R Rousseau Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29477 comp.sys.next.software:32180 comp.sys.next.programmer:27388 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92688 NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN In <69lc98$ce01@postman.fanniemae.com> Michael R Rousseau wrote: > Regarding Josh's rant on free cc inclusion in "every" UN*X > distribution, Sun ceased that policy around Solaris 2.3. Yell at Sun > for charging ~$10K for Workshop, while you are at it. > In my experience, teh widely used development platforms do NOT > include C compilers and headers for free any more. Also-rans like > Ultrix and HP/UX might, but how many sites develop with those vs. > Solaris? One point that's worth complaining about is the missing headers in NS/OS (user ed.) In Solaris, they're all there and you can easily find preconfigured binary packages for gcc. Why on earth didn't NeXT include the naked compiler? I figure people that bought Developer ed. wanted PB & IB & the likes in the first place. -- "Um Energie zu sparen, wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (public key avaible at any key server near you ...) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.seicom.net!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!not-for-mail From: boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: PB 4.1 -- why is there no build service anymore? Date: 16 Jan 1998 11:20:34 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Lines: 3 Message-ID: <69nfq2$lnh$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: haegar.biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) or am i missing something? thanks for any hint, daniel #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.20.0.50!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 16 Jan 1998 18:55:15 GMT Organization: none Lines: 30 Message-ID: <69oaej$6ak$11@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu> <34bf666b.0@news.unibe.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29482 comp.sys.next.software:32183 comp.sys.next.programmer:27390 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92728 NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN In <34bf666b.0@news.unibe.ch> Philippe Robert wrote: > In article <69kd2u$8oh@crcnis3.unl.edu>, 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) writes: > > This is one of the things that bug me about NeXT. > > Almost every other *NIX system that I know of has at least a > > c compiler with it. Why doesn't NeXT? I don't need IB or the rest > > of the development tools, I would just like to be able to compile > > "Hello World." > > This is not true: Solaris, Irix, ... ?! > > But you can always use hte freely avaliable gcc.... Is that true? I thought even the generic gcc required some of the header files that are in the Dev tools only. TjL ps -- let's trim the newsgroups of this thread, eh? -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Message-ID: <34BC0F3B.5B5F782D@ghg.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:04:59 -0600 From: Sam Krishna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Looking for headhunters... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: max7-75.ghg.net Lines: 10 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.66.111.2!news.ghgcorp.com!max7-75.ghg.net Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27391 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92730 comp.sys.next.marketplace:20064 Hi, I'm looking for the contact information of any headhunters in the NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/Rhapsody marketplace that has placed NeXT-oriented developers. Either phone numbers and/or email addresses would be appreciated. Thanks, Sam Krishna #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: mkrawitz@bham.mindspring.com (Marc Krawitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c Subject: Exception Handling Problems Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:30:01 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <69ii2b$eq3@camel20.mindspring.com> Reply-To: mkrawitz@bham.mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kbbcu.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:28:27 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27392 comp.lang.objective-c:6707 We are presently having problems with exception handling within our Objective-C code. More specifically, certain exceptions are not being trapped by our exception handlers. For example, the following code core dumps: #include #include #include main { long a, b, c; NS_DURING a = 0; b = 1; c = b / a; // Division by zero error! NS_HANDLER fprintf(stderr, "Division by zero exception caught!\n"); NS_ENDHANDLER } Our project is using WebObjects 3.5, gcc 2.7.2.1, and Solaris 2.5.1. Any ideas or workarounds? Thank you, Marc Krawitz mkrawitz@bham.mindspring.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!bolzen.in-berlin.de!news.all.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!news.BLaCKSMITH.com!not-for-mail From: Chuck Swiger Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c Subject: Re: Exception Handling Problems Date: 14 Jan 1998 19:01:55 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <69j233$595$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <69ii2b$eq3@camel20.mindspring.com> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.8.169 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27393 comp.lang.objective-c:6709 mkrawitz@bham.mindspring.com (Marc Krawitz) wrote: > We are presently having problems with exception handling within our > Objective-C code. More specifically, certain exceptions are not being > trapped by our exception handlers. For example, the following code > core dumps: You're presumably getting a Unix signal as a result of the illegal math operation, and the NS_DURING... construct only deals with Obj-C exceptions. You'd need to set up a Unix signal handler via signal(). -Chuck Charles Swiger | cswiger@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+------------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!bolzen.in-berlin.de!news.all.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!psinntp!news.ml.com!not-for-mail From: Joe Panico Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c Subject: Re: Exception Handling Problems Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:22:40 -0500 Organization: Merrill Lynch Lines: 45 Message-ID: <34BD107F.87A65D20@ml.com> References: <69ii2b$eq3@camel20.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.24.222.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27394 comp.lang.objective-c:6710 I don't think that divide by zero will produce an ObjectiveC Exception. Divide-by-Zero is a C language error. Exceptions are ObjC classes. The C language knows nothing about Exceptions. Exceptions are only raised only by ObjC message expressions like [Exception raise:...]. The code below should core dump because the processor will trap the divide by zero at the hardware level. The ObjC language adds nothing to arithmetic expressions evaluation over what the C language does. (ObjC is *not* like Java, where Throwables are tightly integrated into the language from the ground up). Marc Krawitz wrote: > We are presently having problems with exception handling within our > Objective-C code. More specifically, certain exceptions are not being > trapped by our exception handlers. For example, the following code > core dumps: > > #include > #include > #include > > main { > long a, b, c; > > NS_DURING > a = 0; > b = 1; > c = b / a; // Division by zero error! > NS_HANDLER > fprintf(stderr, "Division by zero exception caught!\n"); > NS_ENDHANDLER > } > > Our project is using WebObjects 3.5, gcc 2.7.2.1, and Solaris 2.5.1. > Any ideas or workarounds? > > Thank you, > > Marc Krawitz > mkrawitz@bham.mindspring.com #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula3,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.oberon Subject: Premier OMO Up - Stroustrup/Coplien/Qresults/Spertus/Martin/Meyer/Bancilhon/Chats/Java/Much More! From: Bob Hathaway Summary: Premier 1998 Object Magazine Online - Celebrating Our 3rd Year! Followup-To: comp.object Distribution: world Organization: Object Magazine Online Keywords: WWW OO Object-Oriented Journal Authors Articles Lines: 77 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961022] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.240.140.100 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.240.140.100 Message-ID: <34bd8c20.0@news.inch.com> Date: 15 Jan 98 04:10:08 GMT Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.inch.com!shell.inch.com!rjh Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.lang.modula3:8328 comp.lang.objective-c:6711 comp.sys.next.programmer:27395 comp.lang.oberon:9103 Special Announcement: We will be running a chat session with Steve Mellor (of Shlaer/Mellor fame) in April live on Object Magazine Online - Please plan to join in! January Issue ------------- - Interview with Bjarne Stroustrup (Inventor C++) - Interview with James Coplien (Advanced C++) - Questionnaire results with new Monthly Questionnaire - Mike Spertus, former favorite OCJ Columnists, now rejoins us. Writes about C++ and Java. - James Martin and Tim Ottinger tell of favorite comp.object threads - Book review of the most advanced Java (1.1) book available - Running applets will appear in February - Ian Mitchell continues his multi-part series with downloadable examples on three tier architectures, components, and rapid prototyping. - Chat Sessions - Letters to the Editor - And more... Coming In February ------------------ - Interview with James Gosling, inventor of Java! - OCJ Columnist Bertrand Meyer (Eiffel) rejoins us as a regular - OCJ Columnist Francois Bancilhon (OODB Manifesto) rejoins us as a regular - OCJ Columnist Michael Chonoles (Head Of ACC) will be rejoining us soon - OCJ Columnist Michael Spertus will be rejoining us in March - Bean Applets from "Java 1.1 Developers Handbook". - Java Feature Article on Context Patterns, a very important topic. - Book Review - New Questionnaire & Last Month's Results - Thanks to those participating! - More... Please access OMO's exclusive features thru the Online Features button, and (this month) through my editorial - it's all there. And there's material from Object Magazine too, among others. And on the interviews; you know they're good if I interview these guys;-) OBJECT MAGAZINE ONLINE ====================== OBJECT MAGAZINE ONLINE HYPERTEXT JOURNAL MONTHLY OBJECT-ORIENTED FORUM Location: http://www.sigs.com/omo (aka /objectcurrents) Editor-In-Chief: Bob Hathaway Year: January '98 Premier Issue celebrates our third year Next Issue: February Publisher: SIGS: C++ Report, Object Magazine, Java Report, Object Expert, Smalltalk Report, Object Buyer's Guide, etc. Object Magazine Online is celebrating our third year with a totally new layout, improved Web resources, and new top calibre contributors. We have world-class columnists, interviews, and authors. Considering our lineup, what more can I say! And we're not telling all - more is to come. From the Guidelines: Object Currents' unique hypertext media provides for advances over earlier journals - links to home pages, sites, databases and information servers, interaction, animation, graphics, code retrieval and execution, expanded pages, video, virtual reality and chat sessions. Thank You & Best Regards, Bob Hathaway P.S. Please also see the new beta of the Object FAQ, now up at: http://www.cyberdyne-object-sys.com/oofaq2 Robert John Hathaway III Editor in Chief Object Magazine Online Hypertext Journal Email: bhathaway@sigs.com - Correspondence, Submissions Also: rjh@inch.com #################################################################### From: scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) Subject: "Death of Window Server" msgs... Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: <34bd175b.0@donald.info2000.net> Date: 14 Jan 98 19:51:55 GMT Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!bolzen.in-berlin.de!news.all.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!coop.net!coopnews.coop.net!donald.info2000.net!scamp Am getting this msg and think it is pointer related (some sort of pointer prob). Haven't seen it before. Can anyone give clues as to what it means? The app exits and even with gdb running, the frame browser info is dumped so I cannot review the frames leading up to the crash. The prob does come and go in a flakey manner suggesting ptr prob--have been trying to isolate the prob but it seems to move around. Ran NEXT's mem leak tool and it found zero leaks. One *big* question is whether there are more comprehensive mem prob detection tools/utilities available???? Another would be where is a good source of info on error msgs?? Anything hidden away in online docs? Here's the msg: Lab[741]: DPS client library error: Error while writing to connection, DPSContext 908c784, data 0 Mar 14 09:18:52 localhost physics_lab[741]: Exiting due to Window Server death Thanks for any info. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!nntp.inc.net!news.inc.net!not-for-mail From: gnarf@donner.noir.net (Corey Frang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Text Boxes/Buttons Date: 17 Jan 1998 00:33:11 GMT Organization: Inc.Net http://www.inc.net Lines: 4 Message-ID: <69ou87$ruk$1@news.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.67.41.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Can someone please inform me of how to make the "Return" key get trapped to the OK button instead of the textbox you need to type in? please respond in email, im more apt to get it that way #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.pop.de!jupiter.NIC.DTAG.DE!news.online.de!online.de!thomas From: tfu@bigfoot.com (Thomas F. Unke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: anyone gotten sock5 to compile under NS 3.3? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:45:11 GMT Organization: Smoke'n Joy - The first virtual crematory Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1998Jan16.194511.641@online.de> References: <69lm5u$6ak$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p0010c5.hh.dip.t-online.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) X-No-Archive: yes In <69lm5u$6ak$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > > > ld: Undefined symbols: > _S_ISLNK > > > Of course I'm clueless as to what to do, other than rm -rf > This is missing Posix-stuff: #include // Added because not available on Next: #define _S_ISLNK(mode) (((mode) & (_S_IFMT) == (_S_IFLNK)) This problem is quite common in compiling free software on Next, maybe one should patch sys/stat.h. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.seicom.net!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!not-for-mail From: boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: no word-wrapping NSTextField possible? Date: 19 Jan 1998 20:18:51 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6a0cfb$jt9$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: haegar.biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) or am i joust missing something? thanks in advance, daniel #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!winter.news.erols.com!not-for-mail From: gcasamen@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: F00F bug under NS/Trapping exceptions Date: 17 Jan 1998 16:58:55 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <69qo0f$c5m$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: spg-tnt4s103.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 885056335 12470 207.172.112.103 (17 Jan 1998 16:58:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com Summary: Is there a way to trap this exception? Keywords: F00F, kernel, exceptions X-Newsreader: Kiwi [version .11] Hi all, I am wondering if anyone has written a loadable kernel module to patch the f00f bug? For those of you who don't know what this is, it is a bug in all classid pentiums and pentium MMX's which causes the processor to lock up whenever the f00fc9c8 instruction sequence is executed. It seems that there should be a way to patch this at the kernel level, but I am not sure how. Does anyone have any ideas?? Thanks for any input ahead of time, #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!usenet From: ANTI_SPAM_dreely@cyberstore.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: F00F bug under NS/Trapping exceptions Date: 17 Jan 1998 21:00:07 GMT Organization: Canada Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <69r64n$mmv$1@brie.direct.ca> References: <69qo0f$c5m$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: van-as-05b02.direct.ca X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) gcasamen@erols.com wrote: >Hi all, > >I am wondering if anyone has written a loadable kernel module to patch >the f00f bug? For those of you who don't know what this is, it is a bug >in all classid pentiums and pentium MMX's which causes the processor to >lock up whenever the f00fc9c8 instruction sequence is executed. > >It seems that there should be a way to patch this at the kernel level, but >I am not sure how. Does anyone have any ideas?? > >Thanks for any input ahead of time, The people you think should have a fix, Apple, apparently do not. I just checked NextAnswers for "f00f". And got no matches. More alienating from Apple of current Intel users? Darren www.bcog.org/~dreely #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: F00F bug under NS/Trapping exceptions Date: 17 Jan 1998 22:15:38 GMT Organization: none Lines: 27 Message-ID: <69raia$289$5@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <69qo0f$c5m$1@winter.news.erols.com> <69r64n$mmv$1@brie.direct.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <69r64n$mmv$1@brie.direct.ca> ANTI_SPAM_dreely@cyberstore.ca wrote: > > The people you think should have a fix, Apple, apparently do not. I just > checked NextAnswers for "f00f". And got no matches. More alienating from > Apple of current Intel users? I doubt there has been any real update to NeXTanswers since Apple took over. I haven't seen any more drivers, etc etc. Given that this bug would not occur except for a local hacker, there is no chance that this would "just happen". Providing a fix would require kernel changes. There is a fix for FreeBSD and probably other free *nixes. Wouldn't it be nice if Rhapsody was released with the ability to patch the kernel for things like this? Dreaming, TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!uniol!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!bierpe10.apple.com!user From: bierman@_apple.com (Peter Bierman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: The time has come: PPC or PC? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:26:52 -0800 Organization: I do not speak for Apple Computer! Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bierpe10.apple.com X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 > i) does switching to MacOS leave the MacOS side _fully_ functional? Not sure what you mean. If you mean "Does installing Rhap do something funky to my Mac that makes MacOS broken?" then the answer is no. If you mean "Is BlueBox 100% like MacOS plain?" then the answer is almost. About 99.9%. But you can always boot back to MacOS if you have some exotic ancient app that BlueBox won't run. > ii) How picky is the current installer? After the problems I had last > time, should I be worried about a "new" machine like this? The DR1 installer won't install on a G3 machine. DR1 won't run correctly on a G3 machine. -pmb -- pmb (at) mycds.com http://www.mycds.com/pmb/ Knight of the Technocracy "This is MASS MADNESS you MANIACS!" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: security programs klaxon and icmpinfo Date: 20 Jan 1998 04:24:40 GMT Organization: none Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6a18u8$49s$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) I'm hoping to get these two security programs to compile, but haven't had any luck and don't know what to try. -- ftp://ftp.eng.auburn.edu/pub/doug/klaxon.tar.gz make[1]: Entering directory `/Disk2/Users/luomat/klaxon' cc -DUSE_IDENT -DSYSV -DSVR4 -DRFC931_TIMEOUT=3 -c klaxon.c -o klaxon.o cc -DUSE_IDENT -DSYSV -DSVR4 -DRFC931_TIMEOUT=3 -c rfc931.c -o rfc931.o cc -o klaxon.5x.ident klaxon.o rfc931.o -lnsl -lsocket ld: can't locate file for: -lnsl make[1]: *** [klaxon.5x.ident] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/Disk2/Users/luomat/klaxon' make[1]: Entering directory `/Disk2/Users/luomat/klaxon' cc -DSYSV -DSVR4 -c klaxon.c -o klaxon.o cc -o klaxon.5x klaxon.o -lnsl -lsocket ld: can't locate file for: -lnsl make[1]: *** [klaxon.5x] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/Disk2/Users/luomat/klaxon' make: *** [target] Error 2 zsh: 12565 exit 2 make -- ftp://hplyot.obspm.fr/net/icmpinfo-1.11.tar.gz rm -f recvping.o print.o err.o icmpinfo.o icmpinfo core *~ cc -c recvping.c -o recvping.o cc -c print.c -o print.o cc -c err.c -o err.o cc -c icmpinfo.c -o icmpinfo.o cc -o icmpinfo recvping.o print.o err.o icmpinfo.o ld: Undefined symbols: _setsid make: *** [icmpinfo] Error 1 zsh: 12590 exit 2 make It looks like 'icmpinfo' almost compiles.... TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!03-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!news.univie.ac.at!not-for-mail From: bob@par.univie.ac.at (Bob Velkov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Tseng ET6000 driver for OpenStep 4.0/Intel Date: 19 Jan 1998 12:44:48 GMT Organization: Inst. for Software Technology and Parallel Systems Lines: 11 Message-ID: <69vhs0$28p4$1@www.univie.ac.at> Reply-To: bob@par.univie.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Host: molly.par.univie.ac.at Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27464 comp.sys.next.programmer:27405 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29522 comp.sys.next.software:32212 Does anyone know whether there is an ET6000 driver for OpenStep 4.0 for Intel and where I can get it? Thanks a lot in advance (please reply to me directly or Cc). Thanks! -- Bob Velkov Bob.Velkov@par.univie.ac.at #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <364884494823@digifix.com> Date: 18 Jan 1998 04:58:51 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 330 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <15507885099622@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:92935 comp.sys.next.announce:4541 comp.sys.next.hardware:32029 comp.sys.next.software:32213 comp.sys.next.misc:27465 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29524 comp.sys.next.bugs:4731 comp.sys.next.programmer:27406 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.156.128.20!news1.best.com!nntp2.ba.best.com!not-for-mail From: lozinski@openstepnews.com (Christopher Lozinski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Looking for headhunters... Date: 20 Jan 1998 07:35:14 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6a1k3i$cjh$2@nntp2.ba.best.com> References: <34BC0F3B.5B5F782D@ghg.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: explorer.vip.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 885281714 12913 (none) 206.86.0.12 X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: infinity@ghg.net Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27407 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92942 comp.sys.next.marketplace:20095 In addition to publishing the OpenStep Newsletter, I also place OpenStep Developers. I personally know about 80 OpenStep hiring managers, and I will introduce you to whoever best meets your needs. Give me a call at 1-800-585-1495 Regards Christopher Lozinski In <34BC0F3B.5B5F782D@ghg.net> Sam Krishna wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for the contact information of any headhunters in the > NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/Rhapsody marketplace that has placed NeXT-oriented > developers. Either phone numbers and/or email addresses would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Sam Krishna > #################################################################### From: scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: Here is how to use NXImage,NXBitmapImageRep....Plus ???'s Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer References: <34be87dc.0@donald.info2000.net> <69smm0$cse$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: <34c41f32.0@donald.info2000.net> Date: 20 Jan 98 03:51:14 GMT Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.45.255.100!coop.net!coopnews.coop.net!donald.info2000.net!scamp Marcel Weiher (marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote: : scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) writes: : [Problems with drawing NXBitmapImageRep via NXImage] : The easiest would be to simply forget about the NXImage and : draw the NXBitmapImageRep directly. : [imageRep draw]; Aaah! Will try that. I'm using NS3.3 and everything works ok if I create a new NXImage and NXBitmapImageRep each time....but it *should* be possible to just change data between composite:toPoint: operations. Will do some more testing on the args I'm initting the NXImage with--see if causing a ptr prob in there. Would work fine for my purposes to leave the NXImage out of the process altogether. Thanks for the tip. : Marcel #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!marcel From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Here is how to use NXImage,NXBitmapImageRep....Plus ???'s Date: 18 Jan 1998 10:48:32 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 10 Message-ID: <69smm0$cse$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <34be87dc.0@donald.info2000.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hivehom.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) writes: [Problems with drawing NXBitmapImageRep via NXImage] The easiest would be to simply forget about the NXImage and draw the NXBitmapImageRep directly. [imageRep draw]; Marcel #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!marcel From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Help: Can't import Date: 18 Jan 1998 10:56:54 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 13 Message-ID: <69sn5m$d0j$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <69m20o$l9k$1@inet16.us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hivehom.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jlincoln@us.oracle.com (Jason Lincoln) writes: >Hello All, >I just reinstalled OS4.1 developer and know I cannot import appkit.h in my >header files. The hear file, appkit.h, resides in >/NextLibrary/Frameworks/Appkit.framework/Headers. Anyone know why the >compiler cannot find appkit.h when I specify it to import it using #import >? #import Marcel #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Looking for headhunters... Date: 20 Jan 1998 12:01:02 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6a23lu$4mk$1@news.idiom.com> References: <34BC0F3B.5B5F782D@ghg.net> <34c41cdc.0@donald.info2000.net> Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: scamp@ns1.info2000.net Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27411 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92957 comp.sys.next.marketplace:20101 In <34c41cdc.0@donald.info2000.net> Richard Warner wrote: -> Sam Krishna (infinity@ghg.net) wrote: -> : Hi, -> -> : I'm looking for the contact information of any headhunters in the -> : NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/Rhapsody marketplace that has placed NeXT-oriented -> : developers. Either phone numbers and/or email addresses would be -> : appreciated. -> -> Count me in too. I have a lot of NEXTSTEP dev experience and am willing to -> relocate. Overseas work a plus. This belongs in comp.sys.next.marketplace, not advocacy. That being said, I'd suggest you both contact Clint Tomlinson, . He's been doing NeXT-specific headhunting since his days at Pencom, (must have been five years at least by now) and he's turned up some gigs for me in places where I had *no* idea NeXTSTEP was still in use. -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!LF.net!merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de!news From: ergo@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de (Olaf Foellinger) Subject: Re: Text Boxes/Buttons X-Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: Sender: news@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: gnarf@donner.noir.net Organization: none X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) References: <69ou87$ruk$1@news.inc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:11:29 GMT Lines: 16 In <69ou87$ruk$1@news.inc.net> Corey Frang wrote: > Can someone please inform me of how to make the "Return" key get trapped to > the OK button instead of the textbox you need to type in? please respond in > email, im more apt to get it that way In IB +drag from textbox to button, then in inspector choose target->performClick - ready. Greetings Olaf -- Olaf Foellinger homepage: http://www1.stuttgart.netsurf.de/~ergo/ NeXTMail & MIME welcome! #################################################################### From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Documents Wanted Date: 16 Jan 1998 07:43:24 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 29 Message-ID: <69n32s$2h2$5@news.idiom.com> References: <34b9af90.0@206.25.228.5> <69cs1m$fr3$1@newshost> Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: darknerd@shell4.ba.best.com Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!topnet.de!roka.net!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.156.128.20!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail In darknerd@shell4.ba.best.com wrote: -> Does anyone have any NeXT hardware documents that can be used in a -> Linux/m68k ports. Mail was sent to both Canon and AT&T whom may have such -> documents, but none of them have ever responded. Any help or references -> would be appreciated. The Plan 9 guys at Bell Labs got Plan 9 working on NeXT machines, and all of the info you need should be in the Plan 9 sources. I hope you pull this off. Linux on black hardware would be *very* cool, especially when GNUStep is available. NeXTSTEP is a great user platform, but I'd sure like to have Linux's upcoming security features. -> Also, if does anyone have a NeXTBus Developer's Kit that I can have or -> borrow? Used to, wish I still did.. -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news.coli.uni-sb.de!fu-berlin.de!televis3.met.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: thomas@catlan.met.FU-Berlin.DE (Thomas Hensel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Who is the programmer of Superdraw.app ? Date: 18 Jan 1998 16:09:31 GMT Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Lines: 14 Message-ID: <69t9fr$dk1$1@fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: televis3.met.fu-berlin.de (160.45.74.173) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Access: 16 17 19 X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27414 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92966 Who is / are the programmer(s) of Superdraw.app ? Can he / they be reached ? Thanks, Thomas Hensel -- || Who: Dipl. Phys. Thomas Hensel MIKS - Meteorologische Informations- || EMail: thomas@bibo.met.FU-Berlin.DE und Kommunikations-Systeme || Voice: (+49 30) 838 71 225 an der Freien Universitaet Berlin || FAX: (+49 30) 791 90 02 Schmidt-Ott-Str. 13 - 12165 Berlin #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.misty.com!nntp.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!usenet From: atl2@lehigh.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: F00F bug under NS/Trapping exceptions Date: 18 Jan 1998 16:15:53 GMT Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <69t9rp$1nh2@fidoii.cc.Lehigh.EDU> References: <69raia$289$5@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Reply-To: atl2@lehigh.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: dial156.cc.lehigh.edu In article <69raia$289$5@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS writes: > In <69r64n$mmv$1@brie.direct.ca> ANTI_SPAM_dreely@cyberstore.ca wrote: > > > > The people you think should have a fix, Apple, apparently do not. I just > > checked NextAnswers for "f00f". And got no matches. More alienating from > > Apple of current Intel users? > > I doubt there has been any real update to NeXTanswers since Apple took over. > I haven't seen any more drivers, etc etc. > Somewhat off-thread, but...actually, there have been regular updates to NeXTAnswers, including to the driver section. New Matrox drivers are released every couple weeks, for example. -- Alexander Levine Philosophy Department Lehigh University ATL2@lehigh.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ix.netcom.com!not-for-mail From: Jonathan Hendry Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Subclassing private AppKit classes Date: 18 Jan 1998 17:17:06 GMT Organization: Steel Driving Software, Chicago Lines: 14 Sender: Jonathan Hendry Message-ID: <69tdei$ia@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chi-il16-03.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jan 18 9:17:06 AM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 970622] Folks, What's the best way to go about subclassing a private AppKit class? (Yes, I know that it's *bad*). I have class-dump, and I've used it to get a class definition, which I used to create a header file. I can build a project with a subclass of the private class, but it's blowing up in drawRect:m when a message is sent to a nil object. The private class is NSColorWheelView. Is there something I'm missing? Thanks, Jon #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!news.BLaCKSMITH.com!not-for-mail From: Chuck Swiger Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: security programs klaxon and icmpinfo Date: 20 Jan 1998 16:34:55 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6a2jnf$mft$1@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <6a18u8$49s$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.8.169 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > I'm hoping to get these two security programs to compile, but haven't had > any luck and don't know what to try. -lnsl is a library under Solaris-- try compiling klaxon without it by changing LDFLAGS or whatever in the makefile. setsid() is a POSIX function; try compiling icmpinfo with 'cc -posix'. -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+----------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!usenet From: ANTI_SPAM_dreely@cyberstore.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: F00F bug under NS/Trapping exceptions Date: 18 Jan 1998 22:06:21 GMT Organization: Canada Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <69tuct$cp9$1@brie.direct.ca> References: <69qo0f$c5m$1@winter.news.erols.com> <69r64n$mmv$1@brie.direct.ca> <69raia$289$5@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: van-52-0721.direct.ca X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: >In <69r64n$mmv$1@brie.direct.ca> ANTI_SPAM_dreely@cyberstore.ca wrote: >Wouldn't it be nice if Rhapsody was released with the ability to patch the >kernel for things like this? > >Dreaming, Very Cooool Dreaming! Darren www.bcog.org/~dreely #################################################################### Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:03:16 -0800 From: cborelli@jps.net (Ian Borelli) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: compiler for mac Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.233.198 Lines: 3 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-regensburg.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.caldera.com!inquo!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!istk-port2655.jps.net!user I have just learned c++, and I need to find a free c++ compiler for the macintosh. If you can tell me where to find one, or if I shouldn't even bother trying to look, I'd appreciate it. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.97.102.24!news.mainstream.net!usp.tempusfixit.com!user From: chad@pengar.com (Chad Leigh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Using OS4.2/NT to make DLLs for Borland and MSVC Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:47:15 -0500 Organization: Pengar Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 62 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: portal.tempusfixit.com (also sent to next-prog@omnigroup.com) Hi All I am using the WWDC NT OStep4.2 from last year to build a communications layer used by others in the project who are using MS Visual C/C++ 5.0 and one guy using Borland C++ Builder 1.0. It takes the form of a DLL and a set of C functions exported. These C functions have simple long/unsigned long, char *, and function pointer parameters. All the ObjC/OStep stuff happens internally only. I can successfully make the DLL and the Visual C/C++ guys can link against it and run it fine. We even have Visual Basic guys using it as well! The Borland guy had to mess around with the .LIB file and make his own with some Borland tools using the .DLL. Getting itto link, the functions are called correctly but we get an Invalid Floating Point Op when running using the Borland compiled programs. We have a simple test program and the MS Visual C guys can compile and run it fine. Compiling same source under Borland and no go. Here is the ObjC OStep code ---- // "global" data -- global to all the routines internally but not // outside the DLL NSLock *myLock; long myFunction(long a, long b) { NSAutoReleasePool *p; p = [[NSAutoReleasePool alloc] init]; myLock = [[[NSLock alloc] init] retain]; // some more stuff including spinning off a thread that does [myLock lock] // in the init of the object before being spun off... [myLock lock]; <<<<<<<< this is where the error occurs [myLock unlock]; [p release]; } The error occurs on the [myLock lock] statement in the routine being called. We have NSLog statements after every single source line and so we can tell where it fails by what the last log statement is. Also, we looked at the assembly code in the debugger and can identify the NSLog calls and also the two [myLock lock/unlock] calls. This only happens on Borland. Any ideas? Thanks Chad #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!not-for-mail From: Kristofer Jon Magnusson Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: OPENSTEP conversion scripts and portability Date: 21 Jan 1998 23:51:04 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6a6q8o$mvc$1@xmission.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970327; sun4m SunOS 5.5.1] A hypothetical series of questions: Would the OPENSTEP conversion scripts run on Rhapsody? I'm not familiar with tops. Is the source publicly available? If someone were to move the OPENSTEP scripts to a Rhapsody machine, then compile tops, could that someone actually convert (as far as the scripts permit) NEXTSTEP apps to OPENSTEP, and thereby Rhapsody? I'm not asking, "is it better to run the scripts on Rhapsody?", but "is it possible?". ..............kris -- Kristopher Magnusson kris@xmission.com (no NeXTmail, please) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you know so much about Usenet, then why are you still posting? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.misc,comp.sys.powerpc.tec Subject: cmsg cancel <6a7qku$p2f$21@news01.iafrica.com> Control: cancel <6a7qku$p2f$21@news01.iafrica.com> Date: 22 Jan 1998 16:09:40 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: "Geoff Smith" Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Re: Help Desperately Needed with Borland Office 2.0 X-Original-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:50:25 +0200 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-7-193-60.iafrica.com X-Original-From: "Geoff Smith" X-CosmoTraq: _:+W3I?@*?)**,.WK_/FD!7H,SN=4>K[/4J/6!$$&=Q`-E3%)[1;A&$? 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Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh3d0.bnr.ca!despams.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 22 Jan 1998 12:17:08 EST X-Original-Path: ...!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in3.uu.net!not-for-mail X-Original-From: pc88 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer X-Original-Subject: Share modem, ISDN and cable modem 11670 X-Original-Date: 22 Jan 1998 08:18:51 GMT Message-ID: Control: cancel <6a6vdb$8t6$1854@news0-alterdial.uu.net> X-No-Archive: Yes From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: pc88 Subject: cmsg cancel <6a6vdb$8t6$1854@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19980122.01 for further details #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.alaska.edu!aurora.alaska.edu!fflak From: fflak@aurora.alaska.edu (KELLY ALONZO H) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Program crashes alone.. ok under debugger Date: 20 Jan 1998 06:21:10 GMT Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6a1fom$bsl@news.alaska.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aurora.alaska.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am having a terrible time getting some code working under NS3.3. The program crashes when I run it on it's own, but seems to work fine under the debugger (gdb). What types of errors cause this behavior? I've been adding code incrementally, and sometimes, but not always, if I add an instance variable to a header, even if it is never referenced, the app will crash. Here's the latest thing that causes a crash: pointsXZ = nil; pointsXZ = [[Storage alloc] initCount:200 elementSize: sizeof(NXPoint) description:"{ff}"]; If the first line is there by itself, things are alright. PointsXZ is never referenced in the rest of the code. Add the next line, and the program crashes, but well after pointsXZ has been initialized. I'm using the Rubberband class from an old example from the Archives, but the program crashes before any Rubberband object has been allocated. Still, I'm leery of that code. Is there a better way to drag a selection rectangle on a view? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Even though this is just for my own research, it will be a drag if I have to run my app under gdb to get it to work. Thanks, Lon Kelly fflak@aurora.alaska.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!blackbush.xlink.net!EU.net!chsun!news.eunet.ch!uranus.m-netz.ch!newsser1.gmsg.ch!143.180.102.72 From: see signature Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Who is the programmer of Superdraw.app ? Date: 19 Jan 98 08:28:18 GMT Organization: Migros-Genossenschafts-Bund Lines: 31 Message-ID: <34c30ea2.0@newsser1.gmsg.ch> References: <69t9fr$dk1$1@fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: gmsg.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: thomas@catlan.met.FU-Berlin.DE Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27423 comp.sys.next.advocacy:93174 In <69t9fr$dk1$1@fu-berlin.de> Thomas Hensel wrote: > > Who is / are the programmer(s) of Superdraw.app ? > > Can he / they be reached ? > > Thanks, > Thomas Hensel > > Impact Software Publishing, Inc (http://www.impact.com/) SuperDraw4: http://www.impact.com/Products/SuperDraw/index.html Gruss Markus -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Markus Rohner Genossenschaft Migros St.Gallen | | Tel. +41 71 388 26 68 Informatik | | eMail: markus.rohner@N_OXSPA-M.gmsg.ch Industriestr. 47 | | (NeXTmail/MIME welcome) CH-9201 Gossau SG | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Please remove 'N_OXSPA-M.' #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!news.wwa.com!anago.wwa.com!gnarf From: gnarf@wwa.com (Coery Frang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Calling a function on startup Date: 23 Jan 1998 03:38:50 GMT Organization: WorldWide Access - Midwestern Internet Services - www.wwa.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6a93ca$cga$1@hirame.wwa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anago.wwa.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] How can i get the program to call a function in an instantine when the application starts up? email answer to gnarf@noir.net please ... #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!uninett.no!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 23 Jan 1998 04:25:52 GMT Organization: none Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6a964g$7ke$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) I think that Netscape without Java will be nearly useless. I don't know how many of the plug-ins etc require/assume it. I also don't know how many of the plug-ins will break once you port it.... I'd love to see Real-Audio & Shockwave under NeXTStep/OpenStep.... It would pretty much mean I could eliminate Win95 from my machine. Please... don't get me wrong.... I love OmniWeb and much prefer it to Netscape or MSIE. I assume that under Rhapsody with Java and plug-ins support it will quickly surpass them. But for right now it would really be nice to have access to Netscape. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 23 Jan 1998 04:39:20 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6a96to$q85$1@news.digifix.com> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6a964g$7ke$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com In-Reply-To: <6a964g$7ke$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00079 On 01/22/98, Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > >I think that Netscape without Java will be nearly useless. I don't know how >many of the plug-ins etc require/assume it. > >I also don't know how many of the plug-ins will break once you port it.... > >I'd love to see Real-Audio & Shockwave under NeXTStep/OpenStep.... It would >pretty much mean I could eliminate Win95 from my machine. > >Please... don't get me wrong.... I love OmniWeb and much prefer it to >Netscape or MSIE. I assume that under Rhapsody with Java and plug-ins >support it will quickly surpass them. But for right now it would really be >nice to have access to Netscape. Actually, I think what you mean to say here is that it would be nice to have access to RealAudio and Shockwave plug-ins from OmniWeb.. I use Netscape on the PC downstairs, IE4 on the Mac in my office and OmniWeb 3 on my OpenStep/Rhapsody boxes. I definately prefer OW3 to IE4, and it to NS -- Scott Anguish NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cosy.sbg.ac.at!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <6a89jk$d8m$1352@heliodor.xara.net> Control: cancel <6a89jk$d8m$1352@heliodor.xara.net> Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:19:02 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: underage@schoolgirls.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet X-Original-Subject: Under Age Schoolgirls - keep off net X-Original-Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:19:00 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.13.14 X-Original-From: underage@schoolgirls.com X-CosmoTraq: K@K,3G9>=\$D5H% X-Cancel-ID: [H[J)Z.V8$D3F4SC`Q8 Reply-To: moc.cnioro@sfd.strip.this.and.reverse NNTP-Posting-Host: obiwan.oroinc.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 885505678 9926 207.96.21.4 (22 Jan 1998 21:47:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com Now that Netscape is releasing the source code to Communicator (http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease558.html?cp=nws01flh1) it might make sense to port it to NeXTStep 3.2 (an X11/Motif port that is) so that black hardware users (most Intel users are probably moving to Rhapsody) can enjoy it now that OmniWeb no longer appears to be supporting 3.2. The Java support in the source code will obviously not be included because that is licensed by Netscape from other companies like Symantec. But the other essentials will likely be in there. The only problem I see is if Communicator 5.0 is a result of the 'Gemini' all Java web browser (based on HotJava) project with Sun. Anyway, what are your thoughts? I don't know where to get Motif for NextStep though. I don't think Lesstif would be usable because it is very buggy and it doesn't support Motif 2.0. The black hardware community is very small, but this is an opportunity to help extend the life of the hardware. Actually, I'm just tired of running Communicator on my Linux box and displaying it on my NeXTstation :) daniel orororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororo Daniel F. Savarese moc.cnioro@sfd :liame ORO, Inc. "Component software for the Internet."tm http://www.oroinc.com/ orororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororo #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.139.252.9!feed.newsreader.com!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!crcnews.unl.edu!manager From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 22 Jan 1998 22:48:08 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6a8ib8$q36@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sting.unl.edu In article <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> moc.cnioro@sfd.strip.this.and.reverse writes: > Now that Netscape is releasing the source code to Communicator > (http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease558.html?cp=nws01flh1) > it might make sense to port it to NeXTStep 3.2 (an X11/Motif port > that is) so that black hardware users (most Intel users are probably moving > to Rhapsody) can enjoy it now that OmniWeb no longer appears to be > supporting 3.2. That's news to me. We're using OmniWeb 2 on a bunch of m68k 3.2 boxes here. (-; You DO have to install the FoundationUserPatch available from NeXTanswers or your nearest friendly NeXT archive site, like http://www.peak.org/next -- Rex A. Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu (NeXT/MIME OK) Computer System Manager http://www.math.unl.edu/~rdieter/ Mathematics and Statistics University of Nebraska-Lincoln #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: nurban@crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (Nathan Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Linking YB to MFC Date: 23 Jan 1998 16:45:59 -0500 Organization: Data Systems Consulting, Inc. Lines: 64 Message-ID: <6ab32n$lr1$1@crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us> Reply-To: nurban@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us I posted about this before, but I still haven't been able to figure it out.. I want to have a YellowBox/Windows app, and link in some .obj files compiled from MFC-based C++ source with Microsoft Developer Studio. I started by naively just trying to include the MFC headers and link against the library, but that doesn't seem to work: Compiler options: -IC:/MSDEV/mfc/include -LC:/MSDEV/mfc/lib -lmfc42.lib Source: /* Controller.M created by NATHAN on Tue 06-Jan-1998 */ #import "Controller.h "extern "C++" { #import } @implementation Controller - (void)action:sender { // CString foo("foo"); } @end Now, I think I might have to do some dllimports or something to be able to access the CString class, but even if I comment that line out (as above), I still get gobs of errors: In file included from C:/Apple/NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/redist/WINDOWS.H:117, from C:/Apple/NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/windows.h:10, from C:/MSDEV/mfc/include/afxv_w32.h:128, from C:/MSDEV/mfc/include/afxver_.h:140, from C:/MSDEV/mfc/include/afx.h:27, from Controller.M:6: C:/Apple/NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/windef.h:185: parse error before `__stdcall' C:/Apple/NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/windef.h:186: parse error before `__stdcall' C:/Apple/NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/windef.h:187: parse error before `__stdcall' In file included from C:/Apple/NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/redist/WINDOWS.H:118, from C:/Apple/NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/windows.h:10, from C:/MSDEV/mfc/include/afxv_w32.h:128, from C:/MSDEV/mfc/include/afxver_.h:140, from C:/MSDEV/mfc/include/afx.h:27, from Controller.M:6: C:/Apple/NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/winbase.h:256: parse error before `__stdcall' C:/Apple/NextLibrary/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/winbase.h:259: parse error before `;' [...] Is what I'm trying to do basically impossible? Am I going to have to give up hope of accessing MFC classes directly in C++, and write exported wrapper functions (compiled in Developer Studio) around every MFC method I want to use, as is looking likely? (i.e., for every method like CString::GetLength(void), write a function GetLength(CString string) that returns the same thing, and compile that function from DevStudio.) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.113.100.15!rpi!usenet From: root@ryanc.stu.rpi.edu (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: stl on Openstep? Date: 23 Jan 1998 21:40:45 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6ab2ot$d0p@newsfeeds.rpi.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ryanc.stu.rpi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews 2.a1(p) Can someone tell me, or point me to an archive, on how to get STL to work on Opnstep (specifically Rhapsody)? I love the power of Objective-C and the Foundation frames, etc...But I need to write an simple app using stl for a unix box, but I would like to test it on my Rhapsody machine (I want to use c++ and stl, which is now a part of the standard c++.). Thanks, Chris Ryan ryanc@rpi.edu (AND NO, I tried to compile from just the source code (STL is freely available) and couldn't get it to work..) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.seicom.net!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!not-for-mail From: boehring@biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Daniel Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: inserting an object in a one to many relationship (EOF2) Date: 19 Jan 1998 20:26:18 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6a0cta$jt9$2@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: haegar.biomed.ruhr-uni-bochum.de X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) simply calling the enterprise object's addTo... method seems not to do the trick! any hint appreciated, thanks in advance, daniel #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!news.BLaCKSMITH.com!not-for-mail From: Chuck Swiger Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Program crashes alone.. ok under debugger Date: 24 Jan 1998 01:05:42 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6abep6$fhq$11@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <6a1fom$bsl@news.alaska.edu> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.8.169 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) fflak@aurora.alaska.edu (KELLY ALONZO H) wrote: > I am having a terrible time getting some code working under NS3.3. The > program crashes when I run it on it's own, but seems to work fine under > the debugger (gdb). What types of errors cause this behavior? Typically, using automatic variables before they are initialized. Under gdb, you're more likely to end up with them set to 0 or nil. -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+----------------------+-------------------- "Microsoft: we make the easy almost impossible." #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp.inc.net!news.inc.net!not-for-mail From: gnarf@noir.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Calling a function in an object at launch time Date: 24 Jan 1998 03:49:15 GMT Organization: Inc.Net http://www.inc.net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6abobr$qfi$1@news.inc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.67.41.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) I am still having a problem with this one!! GRR.. okay ill elaborate more: I have a PB.project for something.. this contains two objects i have made myself.. one called Hopeless and one called Liscencer ... How can i call the "UpdateLiscence" function in Liscencer when the application launches?? Pleaaase reply via email to gnarf@noir.net it gets to me faster that way #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.25.2.138!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail From: J.Penning@t-online.de (J. Penning) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Q: Problem unarchiving Window in NX3.3 Date: 22 Jan 1998 21:55:19 GMT Organization: T-Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6a8f87$rdo$1@news02.btx.dtag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 04027878060-0001@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de]C-DT (Win95; I) Hi folks, I discovered a problem when unarchiving an object of the Window class. I'm using good old NX 3.3 write/read methods. A network of objects with some windows in it is archived into a file. For testing purpose, I take identical windows. When I try to unarchive it, sometimes one (or more) of the windows aren't ok, i.e. the superview of their contentView ist nil. If I let this superview manually point to the _borderView of the window (where it belongs afaik), guess what: Everything is fine. I really don't like this kind of workaround. Can you give me a hint about what's going wrong? Thanks, Joerg. -- email j.penning@t-online.de, penning@informatik.uni-hamburg.de #################################################################### From: istephen@bournemouth.ac.uk Subject: NXCam Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:11:39 -0600 Message-ID: <885567071.1814757386@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jan 23 14:51:11 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: istephen@bournemouth.ac.uk X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 194.80.71.44 (mac71044.bournemouth.ac.uk) Lines: 7 Could the author of NXCam please contact me. Thanks $an -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!iol!colt.net!knews.uk0.vbc.net!vbcnet-gb!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!bierpe10.apple.com!user From: bierman@_apple.com (Peter Bierman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: The time has come: PPC or PC? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:23:04 -0800 Organization: I do not speak for Apple Computer! Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <34A94A87.DC45DCB1@removeme.emory.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: bierpe10.apple.com X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 In article <34A94A87.DC45DCB1@removeme.emory.org>, curtis_crowson@removeme.emory.org wrote: > Will the new G3s run the current version of Rhapsody? I was under the > impression (hopefully mistaken) that the new machines did not run Rhapsody. I DR1 doesn't run on G3 machines. It does work on 8500 type machines with a PPC750 upgrade card. This is because of the motherboard design and OpenFirmware version, not the CPU. -pmb -- pmb (at) mycds.com http://www.mycds.com/pmb/ Knight of the Technocracy "This is MASS MADNESS you MANIACS!" #################################################################### From: scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: "Death of Window Server" msgs... Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer References: <34bd175b.0@donald.info2000.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: <34c41dd1.0@donald.info2000.net> Date: 20 Jan 98 03:45:21 GMT Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.45.255.100!coop.net!coopnews.coop.net!donald.info2000.net!scamp Richard Warner (scamp@ns1.info2000.net) wrote: : Am getting this msg and think it is pointer related (some sort : of pointer prob). Haven't seen it before. Can anyone give clues as : to what it means? The app exits and even with gdb running, the frame : browser info is dumped so I cannot review the frames leading up to the : crash. The prob does come and go in a flakey manner suggesting ptr : prob--have been trying to isolate the prob but it seems to move around. : Ran NEXT's mem leak tool and it found zero leaks. One *big* question : is whether there are more comprehensive mem prob detection tools/utilities : available???? Another would be where is a good source of info on error : msgs?? Anything hidden away in online docs? : Here's the msg: : Lab[741]: DPS client library error: Error while writing to connection, DPSContext 908c784, data 0 : Mar 14 09:18:52 localhost physics_lab[741]: Exiting due to Window Server death : Thanks for any info. Just for reader's edification. I *did* find the ptr prob. Using a ptr without allocating mem for it. MallocDebug utility didn't find it. Rich #################################################################### From: scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: Looking for headhunters... Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace References: <34BC0F3B.5B5F782D@ghg.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: <34c41cdc.0@donald.info2000.net> Date: 20 Jan 98 03:41:16 GMT Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.45.255.100!coop.net!coopnews.coop.net!donald.info2000.net!scamp Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27438 comp.sys.next.advocacy:93325 comp.sys.next.marketplace:20175 Sam Krishna (infinity@ghg.net) wrote: : Hi, : I'm looking for the contact information of any headhunters in the : NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/Rhapsody marketplace that has placed NeXT-oriented : developers. Either phone numbers and/or email addresses would be : appreciated. Count me in too. I have a lot of NEXTSTEP dev experience and am willing to relocate. Overseas work a plus. Rich #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!nntp2.ba.best.com!not-for-mail From: lozinski@openstepnews.com (Christopher Lozinski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: OpenStep Newsletter Date: 20 Jan 1998 07:31:06 GMT Lines: 250 Message-ID: <6a1jrq$cjh$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: explorer.vip.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 885281466 12913 (none) 206.86.0.12 X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:93335 comp.sys.next.marketplace:20176 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:323048 comp.lang.objective-c:6721 comp.sys.next.programmer:27439 1. Objective-C on Java Run-time 2. JAVA on NeXTStep 3. O2 Database 4. Goodbye NeXTStep 3.3, almost 5 APPLE Breaks Mac Header Files 6. MacWorld Expo 7. Jim Demetros Promoted 8. BPG Changes 9 .New Job Seeker Service 10. OpenStep Job Market 11. OpenStep job Market 11a) Hot West Coast Web Companies 11b)Senior Management Position 11c)Chicago Opportunity 12. Free Subscriptions Now Available 1. Objective-C on Java Run-time Java is a language, but it is also a platform, a byte code interpreter with an associated class library. I know someone who is working to build an Objective-C to Java byte code compiler. It would take Objective-C source code and generate Java Byte code object files. When finished, this product would allow Objective-C developers to continue to use their favorite language on theJava platform. It would also allow corporations with large investments in Objective-C to move their applications to a platform with a brighter future than is offered by OpenStep. Market-wise, Java byte code interpreters run on lots of platforms, so they open a huge market for Objective-C applications. Technically, the Java platform is very friendly to Objective-C applications. Java provides the run-time class information and dynamic binding that Objective-C applications need. Java applications are composed of multiple files, one per class, that are dynamically linked at run-time, so there is no need to build a linker, only a compiler. Furthermore, Java chips are starting to be made, and the possibility of a computer chip optimised for something like Objective-C is very interesting indeed. Presumably languages such as Smalltalk and Newton Script could also be used to generate Java byte code. While this project is still in its infancy, it looks very promising technically. The developer claims that the run-time provides the required services according to the Java Virtual Machine by John Meyer, and Troy Downing ISBN 1-56592-194-1. He believes that the limitations lie not in the Java byte code, but rather with the Java verifier that checks for pointer arithmetic and other security violations. If corporate internal applications are targetted, and the Java verifier is disabled, he believes that general Objective-C applications could run gracefully on the Java byte code interpreter. Alternatively, a much more tightly defined Objective-C could run with the verifier enabled. Of course Java prohibits message forwarding, so a work around would have to be developed. You may ask why I am interested in this project. Well there are a lot of things that cross my desk that I do not report on, but this would certainly seem to be of interest to my readers. Marketwise, it is a sad fact that Objective-C is not a hot language. On the other hand, Java is very hot in the marketplace. It would be great to tap into part of the Java market energy. With Objective-C running on a Java byte code interpreter, our market would be a lot hotter. I would make more placements, and your salary would be higher. The whole situation reminds me of when NT was released, and there was a huge interest in running Objective-C on that platform. Eventually NeXT provided that functionality, and the rest is history. I believe that there is as strong a demand now for Objective-C on Java as there was then for Objective-C on NT. At this stage, I am looking for feedback. Is this a project that would interest you? Are you personally interested in helping to make it happen? Would your corporation be willing to invest in this project? Should this be freeware, or a supported product? Does anyone own a clean, fast, Objective-C parser? At the very least, I would like to hear what people think of this idea. Ideally, I would like to generate enough interest in this project to make it happen quickly. I look forward to hearing from you. lozinski@openstepnews.com 2. JAVA on NeXTStep There are a number of tools that could be canabilized for building an Objective-C language on Java. Here are some interesting URL's Here are the URL's for Java on NeXTStep. http://www.cat.nyu.edu/meyer/ http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~umsilve1/djava/ This software reads a Java File, containing the Java Byte Code, and decompiles it, reconstructing the source code file. http://www.kaffe.org/ This is an incremental Java compiler. The previous release evidently worked on NeXTStep 3.3, and someone is working on making the new release NeXTStep 3.3 compatible. http://mrl.nyu.edu/meyer/jvm/jasmin.html This is the software written by the people who wrote the book the Java Virtual machine. http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/people/Faculty/hudson/java_cup/home.html This is much like Yacc but written in Java. 3. O2 Database The O2 database includes O2 Query, which looks like just the object query language I would have designed given the opportunity. O2 and I are evaluating the feasibility of separating the O2 query language from the O2 database, and using the query language to query RAM-resident Objective-C domain models generated from multiple corporate databases. Let us see what happens. 4. Goodbye NeXTStep 3.3, almost Late last year, Apple officially announced that they were dropping support for a number of older versions of their products including NeXTStep 3.3 Of course they latter backtracked, and at this point evidently premier customers are still being provided with NeXTStep 3.3 support. 5. APPLE Breaks Mac Header Files A few months ago, Apple went in and made major changes to the Macintosh header files. The net effect of this change was to make many Apple developers initially very upset, to create lots of work for them, but the change also makes it much easier for developers to port their applications over to Rhapsody, and in the long run, to be able to integrate the two platforms. 6. MacWorld Expo At MacWorld Expo, Apple downplayed Rhapsody. Even WebObjects had a tiny booth. The emphasis was entirely on invigorating the Macintosh marketplace, without spooking the Macintosh users by showing them Rhapsody. More on this topic in the next newsletter. 7. Jim Demetros Promoted Jim Demetros has been promoted to fill the post Mitch Manditch vacated as head of Apple Enterprise Software division. 8. BPG Changes There are huge changes going on in my company. These past few months, I have been steadily moving from being a one-man hobbiest to being a several-person company. I have two people who work with me on a daily basis, and two additional sub-contractors. The two people I work with are demanding that I move from doing whatever I want to every day to working according to a plan. On their prompting, I fired up the freely licensed Light House Task Manager from ftp.next.peak.org, and we actually have a business development plan for the next six months. You should expect to see rapid changes in my business infrastructure over the next six months. It is kind of funny: I started the company, but these guys tell me what to do. 9 .New Job Seeker Service Send in your resume and answer our questionaire, and if you allow us to multicast your resume, we will send your resume out to all of the OpenStep/WebObjects hiring managers that fit your job search requirements. We tried this approach for the first time for one candidate last month, and he had a new position within a week. Furthermore, his job is an eat-your-heart-out telecommuting position. He drives in to work just one day a week. The rest of the time, he works in his beautiful Marin County home. I believe that BPG is entering a whole new era in matching companies to developers so that both are very pleased with the match. 10. BPG places a Candidate Twice. BPG has been in the business of placing OpenStep developers for so long, that I just placed a candidate for the second time. This candidate was the first candidate that I ever placed, and now I have placed him a second time. He had long since been released from his first assignment, and had worked for another company in the meantime. He had always maintained a very good relationship with me, and so I went out of my way to find him a position. He is in fact the person who got the telecommuting job I mentioned above. 11. OpenStep job Market We have moved to two levels of service for the companies we work with, discount and premium. This allows us to handle a large volume of companies while still providing very high quality service to companies that need developers immediately. The 4 companies listed here are our premium service companies. We expect to fill these positions within the week. We have many other companies looking for OpenStep developers, but cannot list them all. Whatever type of position you are looking for, wherever in the country you wish to go, let us know and we will send them your resume. We will also enter your resume in our database, and when a company calls that desparately needs you will get you a very attractive offer indeed. 11a) Hot West Coast Web Companies Both of these companies have passed through the start up phase, and are in the high growth phase. They are in the phase when the employee risk is down, but significant stock options are still available. They are seeking WebObjects developers, and are paying premium salaries and stock options for experienced OpenStep developers. Both places are wonderful places to work, profitable, growing, focussed on keeping their developers happy, and yet achieving challenging objectives. Give it a shot. 11b)Senior Management Position This is the most senior management position we have ever handled, located in the San Francisco Bay Area. Although it is not an Objective-C development position, they are looking for someone who had been trained in the NeXTStep environment. They need someone with workflow experience, and are offering a very attractive salary. In general we are now tracking people with management experience in the database, as our customers have begun asking us for more senior individuals. 11c)Chicago Opportunity This company has a number of opennings. Here is one described. If you are a team player who is ambitious, hardworking, with a degree in computer science we have the job for you. As a member of the Technical Architecture Team, you will be in the unique position to be working on the creation and support of an extensive, robust application infrastructure for building production trading systems. Additionally, since this infrastructure will exist on both OPENSTEP/Mach and OpenStep/NT, you will be working in a multi-platform environment, utilizing your skills with Unix, as well as Windows NT operating systems. You will be delivering commercial-quality software-testing solutions to internal development groups, and helping to manage general software re-use in the group's software library. This includes the design and implementation of a complete testing strategy for internal products as well as applications built on those products. Requirements: Experience with automated regression testing, or test scaffolding for applications. Experience in software re-use efforts a significant plus. Solid operating system knowledge on Unix and knowledge of Windows/NT is also a plus. Knowledge of SQL and RDBMS desired; detailed knowledge of Sybase System 11 a significant plus. These guys will even help finance your house. Chicago Area. 12. Free Subscriptions Now Available This newsletter is now available as ASCII email, NeXTMail, and MIME mail. Send your subscription and cancellation requests to the email address corresponding to the version that you want or do not want: ASCII version newsletter-request@lists.best.com NeXTMAIL version nextletter-request@lists.best.com MIME version newsletter-mime- request@lists.best.com The body of the message should contain the keyword 'subsingle' alone or, if you want to subscribe a third-party address, the subsingle keyword may be followed by an email address. subsingle or subsingle email-address You will then be subscribed. (Note: Do not use the 'subscribe' keyword, or you will get the digest version of the newsletter once a year). You can also subscribe multiple people in a single email message, one per line. Since this newsletter targets OpenStep Developers, I prefer if you subscribe to the NeXTMAIL version. If you are able to do that, then please tell me a little about how you are using NeXTStep or what you would like to see happen. To make my job easier, please left-justify your name and email address, one line each, as follows: Christopher Lozinski BPG 35032 Maidstone Court Newark, CA 94560 lozinski@OpenStepNews.com Copyright 1997 Berkeley Productivity Group. All rights reserved. Non-profit, non-commercial publications and web sites may reprint or link to articles if full credit is given. Others please contact us. We do not guarantee accuracy of articles. Caveat lector. Publication, product, and company names may be registered trademarks of their companies. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.156.128.20!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Calling a function in an object at launch time Date: 24 Jan 1998 05:26:58 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6abu32$d3u$8@news.idiom.com> References: <6abobr$qfi$1@news.inc.net> Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: gnarf@noir.net In <6abobr$qfi$1@news.inc.net> gnarf@noir.net wrote: -> I am still having a problem with this one!! GRR.. okay ill elaborate more: -> -> I have a PB.project for something.. this contains two objects i have made -> myself.. one called Hopeless and one called Liscencer ... How can i call the -> "UpdateLiscence" function in Liscencer when the application launches?? -> -> Pleaaase reply via email to gnarf@noir.net it gets to me faster that way Implement one or the other of these methods in your app delegate: - (void)applicationWillFinishLaunching:(NSNotification *)notification; - (void)applicationDidFinishLaunching:(NSNotification *)notification; -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.best.com!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hpujjpo!yan.hp.com!akebono!news.cup.hp.com!not-for-mail From: klui@cup.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 23 Jan 1998 08:11:23 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6a9jbb$cdj$3@ocean.cup.hp.com> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6a964g$7ke$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6a96to$q85$1@news.digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: klui.cup.hp.com X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test60 (5 October 1997) In article <6a96to$q85$1@news.digifix.com>, Scott Anguish wrote: > I definately >prefer OW3 to IE4, and it to NS Sure, but if the source is available... it can be what you make of it, provided you have the technical know-how. Ken -- Ken Lui, klui@cup.hp.com 19111 Pruneridge Avenue M/S 44UR Performance Availability & Solutions Cupertino, CA 95014-0795 USA Open Warehouse Team 1.408.447.3230 FAX 1.408.447.1053 Views within this message may not be those of the Hewlett-Packard Company #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.156.128.20!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!idiom.com!deniseh From: Denise Howard Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Looking for headhunters... Date: 20 Jan 1998 18:16:40 GMT Organization: Change caps to chars to reply Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6a2pm8$ps1$1@news.idiom.com> References: <34BC0F3B.5B5F782D@ghg.net> <34c41cdc.0@donald.info2000.net> <6a23lu$4mk$1@news.idiom.com> Reply-To: denisehATidiomDOTcom NNTP-Posting-Host: idiom.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970709; i386 FreeBSD 2.1.7-RELEASE] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27442 comp.sys.next.advocacy:93341 comp.sys.next.marketplace:20177 In comp.sys.next.programmer John C. Randolph wrote: > That being said, I'd suggest you both contact Clint Tomlinson, > . He's been doing NeXT-specific headhunting since his > days at Pencom, (must have been five years at least by now) and he's turned > up some gigs for me in places where I had *no* idea NeXTSTEP was still in > use. I'll second that. Clint's a good guy, not your "typical" headhunter type at all. I'd recommend him to anyone looking for NeXTSTEP/OpenStep/Rhapsody work or workers. Like John, I've known him since his Pencom days. Denise H. #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: color in NSButtonCell From: ŸŸŸŸŸúlŸŸŸŸŸyblock@phantom. (York P. Block) X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.227.225 Message-ID: <34c53abc.0@news2.ibm.net> Date: 21 Jan 98 00:01:00 GMT Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 5 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!129.37.227.225 How can I put color into NSButtonCell??? Thanks!!! York #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail From: Dan Wellman Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Project Management in OpenStep Date: 24 Jan 1998 19:03:08 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6addtc$2ug$2@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: wellman@uiuc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970916; sun4d SunOS 5.5.1] Hello, we're using OpenStep (4.1?) under Windows NT and are splitting up development into GUI/NIB work, EOF database programming, and two other groups working on misc objects/coding. We've been generally each creating our own EOF Application, finalizing our materials, and then combining everyone's work. To do this we would try to add everyone's work generally into someone else's, through means of copying over the NIB, adding all the new or updated code by either copying over the files or using copy & paste. The code is now around 10,000 lines or so. In any event, we've had lots of problems with this, most notably the project server crashes when it tries to index the project when we load. (Still it dies when we try to index it after loading) The PB is still usable after you bypass the crashed project server error. Can anyone offer any advice or reference material pointers which can help us better divide subprojects etc. for later final integration? Any help appreciated. dan -- Dan Wellman <> wellman@uiuc.edu <> http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~wellman/ "A million thoughts in one night can't be wrong" - Cause & Effect #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!winter.news.erols.com!news From: moc.cnioro@sfd.strip.this.and.reverse Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 24 Jan 1998 21:16:20 -0500 Organization: ORO, Inc. Lines: 77 Message-ID: <6ae79k$e2@obiwan.oroinc.com> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> Reply-To: moc.cnioro@sfd.strip.this.and.reverse NNTP-Posting-Host: obiwan.oroinc.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 885694898 1181 207.96.21.4 (25 Jan 1998 02:21:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com In article <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>, mmalcolm crawford wrote: >On 01/22/98, Daniel wrote: >> >>Now that Netscape is releasing the source code to Communicator >>(http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease558.html?cp=nws01flh1) >>it might make sense to port it to NeXTStep 3.2 (an X11/Motif port >>that is) so that black hardware users (most Intel users are probably moving >>to Rhapsody) can enjoy it now that OmniWeb no longer appears to be >>supporting 3.2. >> >Umm, OmniWeb does run on 3.2. People keep on saying this as if I didn't know it. I said "OmniWeb no longer appears to be supporting 3.2" Perhaps I should have been more specific and said "OmniWeb 3.x and all future versions of OmniWeb will no longer support 3.2." I'm sorry, but OmniWeb 2.x is close to unusable on non-turbo black hardware (too damned slow). Of course, it could turn out that Communicator will also be close to unusable, in which case what I proposed will have been really, really stupid. However, I think it should run rather well given its performance on my old 486 on both Linux and Win95. But from everyone's comments, I am beginning to be swayed that it would be a waste of time, even from the hobbyist view of "I like to see new software run on black hardware." that is motivating me. >To be honest I'd rather, if anyone has time to do this, that they expended >their efforts creating a Rhapsody version, or in writing some other Rhapsody >utility. Let's move forward... Creating a Rhapsody or OPEN/NEXTSTEP specific version (meaning porting it to the native window system) would probably be a waste of time. I say this because for Rhapsody we should be supporting products from companies like the Omni Group in order to encourage more Rhapsody software development. For OPEN/NEXTSTEP, well, why bother when sticking with X11/Motif would make a far easier port. I'm talking about just doing a vanilla port to X11/Motif which shouldn't be that big of a deal despite all the headaches which will be encountered along the way. And it would be easy to support Rhapsody, OPENSTEP and NEXTSTEP all at the same time because the porting problems are going to be with BSD offshoot stuff, not the X11/Motif stuff (assuming anyone even sells a Motif library for any of the systems). As far as moving forward goes, I and many others are not about to throw away our black hardware which functions wonderfully as network terminals if anything else. Porting to Rhapsody is a separate issue to what I'm talking about, but the consensus seems to be that most people are planning on moving to Rhapsody, so who cares about 3.2, and that's a very good thing to know. Personally, and I am obviously in the minority, Rhapsody really doesn't mean much to me as I'm not about to buy a PowerMac (even though I've always expounded the superiority of the PowerPC processor) and if I'm using Intel hardware, I'm going to run Linux. I think Rhapsody is a great thing and I'm really hoping it does well in the marketplace. But if I'm looking for a development machine or a server, I'm going to choose Unix (which Rhapsody is trying hard not to be), and it's going to be either Linux or Solaris. Obviously that wouldn't apply if I were involved with developing Rhapsody applications. Rhapsody will hopefully crush NT in terms of enterprise management and cost of maintenance (in addition to just being faster, easier to program to, having a better user interface, etc., etc.), and hopefully corporations will realize the advantages of deploying Rhapsody once more software is available for it. But I've got a couple of NeXTstations that won't run Linux or Net/OpenBSD and I don't have the technical familiarity with NeXT hardware to assist in porting either of the OSes to black hardware. So I'm stuck with 3.2, as are many other owners of non-turbo black hardware (which get crushed running OPENSTEP). Continuting to stick with these machines is a 'hobbyist' activity, with little justification other than it's fun and I like the darned machines. From a practical standpoint, I completely agree that one's efforts would be better spent developing and porting to Rhapsody. Thanks for the feedback. daniel orororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororo Daniel F. Savarese moc.cnioro@sfd :liame ORO, Inc. "Component software for the Internet."tm http://www.oroinc.com/ orororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororororo #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ulowell.uml.edu!mbecker From: mbecker@sunmil1.uml.edu (Mark Becker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Generating and using dynamically loadable libraries? Date: 25 Jan 1998 04:25:44 GMT Organization: UMass Lowell Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6aees8$psk$1@ulowell.uml.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sunmil1.uml.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello - Could someone point me in the direction of documentation (or a walk- through) on using the dynamic load routines under NextStep? There are several packages (Perl is the first that comes to mind) which benefit from having loadable modules.. but the named routines don't match that of NextStep. Plus: I'm curious. Your time is appreciated. Regards, Mark #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!ironhorse.plsys.co.uk!not-for-mail From: mmalcolm crawford Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 24 Jan 1998 21:05:19 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pheasant.plsys.co.uk In-Reply-To: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00083 On 01/22/98, Daniel wrote: > >Now that Netscape is releasing the source code to Communicator >(http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease558.html?cp=nws01flh1) >it might make sense to port it to NeXTStep 3.2 (an X11/Motif port >that is) so that black hardware users (most Intel users are probably moving >to Rhapsody) can enjoy it now that OmniWeb no longer appears to be >supporting 3.2. > Umm, OmniWeb does run on 3.2. To be honest I'd rather, if anyone has time to do this, that they expended their efforts creating a Rhapsody version, or in writing some other Rhapsody utility. Let's move forward... Best wishes, mmalc. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 24 Jan 1998 21:42:03 GMT Organization: none Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6adn7b$gkh$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> mmalcolm crawford wrote: > Umm, OmniWeb does run on 3.2. Yup, as long as you have this ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/patches/FoundationUserPatch.tar.gz > To be honest I'd rather, if anyone has time to do this, that they expended > their efforts creating a Rhapsody version, or in writing some other Rhapsody > utility. Let's move forward... Why not an OpenStep one and then port it to Rhapsody ;-? TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <15507885099622@digifix.com> Date: 25 Jan 1998 04:58:54 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 330 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <345885704420@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:93431 comp.sys.next.announce:4548 comp.sys.next.hardware:32095 comp.sys.next.software:32266 comp.sys.next.misc:27503 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29596 comp.sys.next.bugs:4808 comp.sys.next.programmer:27449 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <6aep6l$5tf$8111@heliodor.xara.net> Control: cancel <6aep6l$5tf$8111@heliodor.xara.net> Date: 25 Jan 1998 07:21:58 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: marias@usa.net Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet X-Original-Subject: SPAM - Under Age School girls X-Original-Date: 25 Jan 1998 07:21:57 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.126.95.111 X-Original-From: marias@usa.net X-CosmoTraq: CRQA3K?>98;6RR/6?Z>C$)OQ%O23E1(>_TZ;=W]'9>@/;"[P8_L#S7TW X-Cancel-ID: 3,91O$17];!+]X3\6&LUXWSV@>QTAR7@>R>T+(B;91.L)K$ Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Openstep developer tools? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:11:49 +1200 Organization: FreeStream - Engineering and Scientific Software Lines: 13 Message-ID: <34CA7535.20B3@voyager.co.nz> Reply-To: adbrown@voyager.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: newsch.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: newsch.es.co.nz!unknown@p49-max4.chch.ihug.co.nz What tools are people using to develop applications using the Openstep API? I need to target the win32 and Rhapsody platforms. thanks, Adam Brown adbrown@voyager.co.nz _-_|\ / \ \_.--_/ Y v /* #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 25 Jan 1998 17:10:54 GMT Organization: none Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6afrmu$heb$7@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <6ae79k$e2@obiwan.oroinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <6ae79k$e2@obiwan.oroinc.com> moc.cnioro@sfd.strip.this.and.reverse wrote: > People keep on saying this as if I didn't know it. I said "OmniWeb no > longer appears to be supporting 3.2" Ah, I guess I did miss that too... I've just heard so many folks who missed the FoundationUserPatch for 3.2 > I'm sorry, but OmniWeb 2.x is close to unusable on non-turbo black hardware > (too damned slow). Of course, it could turn out that Communicator will > also be close to unusable, in which case what I proposed will have been > really, really stupid. However, I think it should run rather well given > its performance on my old 486 on both Linux and Win95. Ugh.... Linux on 486 maybe, but Win95? How much RAM? Netscape 3.x was deathly slow under a 486 under Win3.1.1.... I would think 4.x would be worse and 5.x near impossible. OmniWeb's method of SGML2RTF may be somewhat worse than whatever Netscape uses, but I'm still willing to bet it would be deathly slow on NeXT hardware.... TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: MailManager.app compile problems Date: 25 Jan 1998 19:21:27 GMT Organization: none Lines: 58 Message-ID: <6ag3bn$heb$13@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) I am trying to compile MailManager and EasyMail from http://www.washington.edu/imap/ I then did 'make nxt' in the imap directory, and then went to build MailManager. It ran from 10:15pm last night until 6:13am this morning on my p-133 with 128RAM It seemed to repeat this over and over: cc -MM -pipe -I./sym AddressBook.m AddressBookCell.m AttachedPanel.m BrowserCell.m MailManager.m MBoxWindow.m PullOutMenu.m ReadWindow.m ReplyWindow.m SendWindow.m XTextPkg.m MailManager_main.m Utilities.m > Makefile.dependencies MailManager.h:49: warning: could not use precompiled header '/NextDeveloper/Headers/appkit/appkit.p', because: MailManager.h:49: warning: 'stdio.h' has different date than in precomp MailManager.h:49: warning: 'standards.h' has different date than in precomp MailManager.h:49: warning: 'stddef.h' has different date than in precomp MailManager.h:49: warning: 'ansi/machine/stddef.h' has different date than in precomp MailManager.h:49: warning: 'ansi/i386/stddef.h' has different date than in precomp MailManager.h:49: warning: and others... The MailManager.h:49 errors would repeat about 14 times and then the CC line would show again Then it finally failed with: /NextDeveloper/Makefiles/app/app.make:12: /NextDeveloper/Makefiles/app/common.make: Too many open files /bin/sh: syntax error at line 1: `)' unexpected make: *** [app] Error 2 which, of course, was rather frustrating. Any clues as to what is going wrong here? Thanks TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!schuerig From: schuerig@acm.org (Michael Schuerig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:33:53 +0100 Organization: Completely Disorganized Lines: 24 Message-ID: <1d3fhqx.11u2g3nrqgpbqN@rhrz-isdn3-p13.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <6ae79k$e2@obiwan.oroinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhrz-isdn3-p13.rhrz.uni-bonn.de X-Newsreader: MacSOUP D-2.3 wrote: > Creating a Rhapsody or OPEN/NEXTSTEP specific version (meaning porting > it to the native window system) would probably be a waste of time. For what it's worth, I agree. I'm really surprised about how many new friends Navigator has found in an instant. Even among people who previously would have called it a paragon of bloatware. If I were to write a browser there would be two parts of Navigator that I'd be intersted in: the HTML rendering and display engine and the Javascript interpreter. These are the parts that are critical for compatibility with other Navigator-descendants. Everything else could be done much better. Would it be possible/sensible to make those two parts of Navigator generally available on Rhapsody as some kind of shared lib? Michael -- Michael Schuerig I was thrown out of college for cheating on the mailto:schuerig@acm.org metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs90z/ of the boy next to me. -Woody Allen #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!137.192.241.248!mr.net!news.mr.net!bitstream.net!not-for-mail From: cejensen@bitstream.net (Chris Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 25 Jan 1998 18:53:05 GMT Organization: Bitstream Underground Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6ag1mh$lh5$1@maryj.bitstream.net> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <6ae79k$e2@obiwan.oroinc.com> Reply-To: cejensen@bitstream.net NNTP-Posting-Host: port313.bitstream.net X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) moc.cnioro@sfd.strip.this.and.reverse wrote: >In article <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk>, >mmalcolm crawford wrote: >>To be honest I'd rather, if anyone has time to do this, that they expended >>their efforts creating a Rhapsody version, or in writing some other Rhapsody >>utility. Let's move forward... > >Creating a Rhapsody or OPEN/NEXTSTEP specific version (meaning porting >it to the native window system) would probably be a waste of time. I say >this because for Rhapsody we should be supporting products from companies >like the Omni Group in order to encourage more Rhapsody software >development. I agree with this, however... >As far as >moving forward goes, I and many others are not about to throw away our black >hardware which functions wonderfully as network terminals if anything else. I agree with this, too. If one is interested in supporting Rhapsody, Apple, etc., then porting Netscape to NS/OS would be a waste of time. And if a person were to attempt this port with an eye to making a lot of money from it, s/he would be fooling him/herself. However, enough people seem to think "moving forward" doesn't necessarily mean throwing out OS's and systems that work well for them that I would be surprised if *someone* didn't produce a Netscape (or Netscape-like) browser for NS/OS. With the source available, the temptation will be overwhelming for fans of all sorts of neglected OS's to make use of it to extand the useful life of their systems. Shall we move this thread to csn.advo? --Chris cejensen@bitstream.net #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!news.u.washington.edu!Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU!mrc From: Mark Crispin Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: K5 on NeXT? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:18:29 -0800 Organization: Networks & Distributed Computing Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 885759512 25388 (None) 140.142.64.6 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: yakitori Content-Length: 314159 (believe this at your own risk) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.protocols.kerberos:9055 comp.sys.next.programmer:27455 Has anyone successfully built K5 on NeXT? I have spent the past few days fighting the configure script and NeXT's own special brain damage (it's no wonder they went belly-up). I got as far as include files and libraries which link with my application, but I can't get a useful kinit binary; kinit crashes inside a malloc() in krb5_init_context(), which leads me to believe that the libraries aren't trustworthy either. All I want is a working binary distribution that will run on NeXT 3.x. -- Mark -- * Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address. * Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.25!nntp.texas.net!news.texas.net!not-for-mail From: "Clemmensen" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: K5 on NeXT? Date: 26 Jan 1998 03:22:26 GMT Organization: ObjectWare, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bd2a09$caa19020$9002cfcf@armaga.texas.net> References: <6ago39$pka$2@news.idiom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mnet02-60.austin.texas.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.protocols.kerberos:9056 comp.sys.next.programmer:27456 Or got paid 400 mill. $ to do a reverse takeover, not too bad for a group of people with "-> own special brain damage ". Geert John C. Randolph wrote in article <6ago39$pka$2@news.idiom.com>... > In > Mark Crispin wrote: > > -> I have spent the past few days fighting the configure script and NeXT's > -> own special brain damage (it's no wonder they went belly-up). > > They didn't go belly-up, they sold out to Apple for $400 mil and change. > > -jcr > > -- > John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. > Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. > @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" > > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: K5 on NeXT? Date: 26 Jan 1998 01:15:21 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6ago39$pka$2@news.idiom.com> References: Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.protocols.kerberos:9057 comp.sys.next.programmer:27457 In Mark Crispin wrote: -> I have spent the past few days fighting the configure script and NeXT's -> own special brain damage (it's no wonder they went belly-up). They didn't go belly-up, they sold out to Apple for $400 mil and change. -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 26 Jan 1998 00:30:03 GMT Organization: none Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6agleb$heb$20@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <6ae79k$e2@obiwan.oroinc.com> <1d3fhqx.11u2g3nrqgpbqN@rhrz-isdn3-p13.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: schuerig@acm.org In <1d3fhqx.11u2g3nrqgpbqN@rhrz-isdn3-p13.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Michael Schuerig wrote: > For what it's worth, I agree. I'm really surprised about how many new > friends Navigator has found in an instant. Even among people who > previously would have called it a paragon of bloatware. I'm one of those..... It is bloatware, it is not as good as OmniWeb, but right now at this moment it has support for java(script)? and real-audio plug-ins, shockwave, etc which are being used more and more, and force me to boot to Win95. Then again there is so much use of java* for annoying flashing ads that surfing with OmniWeb is often much less annoying, until I hit a page which requires it for viewing content. I have been able to avoid such pages, but in the last 2 months I've found more and more which I want to view and can't. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!not-for-mail From: don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: K5 on NeXT? Date: 26 Jan 1998 05:11:21 GMT Organization: MiscKit Development Lines: 50 Message-ID: <6ah5tp$r0h$1@news.xmission.com> References: <6ago39$pka$2@news.idiom.com> <01bd2a09$caa19020$9002cfcf@armaga.texas.net> Reply-To: don@misckit.com NNTP-Posting-Host: brain.misckit.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Hey folks--this is not *.advocacy! It is *.programmer. Do you have an answer for Mark's question or not? You should all know by now to just ignore his acid and drastic distortions. And Mark, if you really want honest answers to your questions, try asking them without the acerbic editorializing on the side. Look at the responses it got you--not even hardly helpful to your situation, are they? Again, this is NOT *.advocacy! (And I'm sorry for perpetuating the content-free posting, but I don't have an answer to help Mark. Otherwise I would have posted it here, too.) -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com My home page "Clemmensen" wrote: > Or got paid 400 mill. $ to do a reverse takeover, not too bad for a group > of people with "-> own special brain damage ". > > Geert > > John C. Randolph wrote in article > <6ago39$pka$2@news.idiom.com>... > > In > > > Mark Crispin wrote: > > > > -> I have spent the past few days fighting the configure script and > NeXT's > > -> own special brain damage (it's no wonder they went belly-up). > > > > They didn't go belly-up, they sold out to Apple for $400 mil and change. > > > > -jcr > > > > -- > > John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. > > Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. > > @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" > > > > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!televis3.met.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: thomas@catlan.met.FU-Berlin.DE (Thomas Hensel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Who is the programmer of Superdraw.app ? Again Date: 26 Jan 1998 11:56:05 GMT Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6ahtkl$ipp$1@fu-berlin.de> References: <69t9fr$dk1$1@fu-berlin.de> <34c30ea2.0@newsser1.gmsg.ch> <6ad47b$9o8@alice.turbocat.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: televis3.met.fu-berlin.de (160.45.74.173) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Access: 16 17 19 X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: dave@turbocat.de Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27460 comp.sys.next.advocacy:93508 In <6ad47b$9o8@alice.turbocat.de> David Wetzel wrote: > Markus Rohner wrote: > >In <69t9fr$dk1$1@fu-berlin.de> Thomas Hensel wrote: > >> > >> Who is / are the programmer(s) of Superdraw.app ? > (...) > >Impact Software Publishing, Inc > >(http://www.impact.com/) > > > >SuperDraw4: http://www.impact.com/Products/SuperDraw/index.html > > Good joke. Have you looked at the month-picture in the calendar? > > What do you need? > > Yes, it seems that impact does not support Superdraw.app anymore ... (Does the company still exists ?) I tried to communicate but it failed ... So, once again, who knows how can I reach the programmer of Superdraw.app ? Thanks, Thomas -- || Who: Dipl. Phys. Thomas Hensel MIKS - Meteorologische Informations- || EMail: thomas@bibo.met.FU-Berlin.DE und Kommunikations-Systeme || Voice: (+49 30) 838 71 225 an der Freien Universitaet Berlin || FAX: (+49 30) 791 90 02 Schmidt-Ott-Str. 13 - 12165 Berlin #################################################################### From: "Dale Pippert" Subject: IXBTree question Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: Taratec Development Corp. Message-ID: <01bd2a60$34698700$ed48f5cf@zaphod.taratec.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: challenger.taratec.com Date: 26 Jan 98 13:43:27 GMT Lines: 16 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!news.dca.net!challenger.taratec.com I have a store file that I am trying to use for three different named btree clients. All three btree clients have the store file open for writing at the same time. I assume this is OK because you must supply a name when you call initFromFileforWriting. However, after a few writes to one of the btrees, the indexing kit throws an IX_InternalError; I don't understand why. When I separate out the btrees into three separate store files, everything is fine. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! I looked in the peak archive, but didn't see any examples for using IXBTrees. Dale #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.gte.net!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: dave@Reuben.feinberg.nwu.edu (David A. Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Help converting 3.2 nib to 4.2 Date: 26 Jan 1998 18:44:04 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 27 Sender: dj1000@reuben.feinberg.nwu.edu Message-ID: <6ailhk$be5$1@excalibur.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: reuben.feinberg.nwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) I have a nib file that was created probably under NextDeveloper 3.2 or earlier and on Motorola (NeXT/black) hardware. After several years of the application sitting idle I now want to complete it. Now I'm now running OpenStep 4.2 and on Intel hardware. I've run the conversion scripts provided with 4.2 but when I launch InterfaceBuilder and open the nib file I'm missing the Classes component of InterfaceViewer. I know that InterfaceViewer is working ok because it works well with other nib files that originated under 4.2. When I launch InterfaceViewer (V3.2) I it appears that everything is there. Does any one have any suggestions on what I might do other than rewritting/creating the nib file? Thank's in advance, -- David A. Johnson (office)= (312) 503-0408 (pager) = (312) 820-3469 N9HAM Research Engineer Feinberg Cardiovascular Research Institute Northwestern University Tarry 12-729 310 E. Superior St. Chicago, Il. 60611 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <34ccc26d.3630445@news.dracsconsulting.com> Control: cancel <34ccc26d.3630445@news.dracsconsulting.com> Date: 27 Jan 1998 02:30:39 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: jphillipsouza@usanet1.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.136.1.211!news.cwi.net!news.dracsconsulting.com!12.67.194.73 X-Original-Subject: Bill Clinton Guilty Or Innocent? 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Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### From: alanf@izzy4.izzy.net (Alan Frabutt) Subject: Tabular data question Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.102.10 Message-ID: <34cd77e6.0@news7.kcdata.com> Date: 27 Jan 98 06:00:06 GMT Lines: 6 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.ecrc.net!nntp.primenet.com!news9.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news7.kcdata.com!izzy4!alanf Is there an example somewhere illustrating how to associate rows in a tabular data view with a corresponding array in a controller object? Any help is greatly appreciated. Please reply via email to alanf-at-izzy-dot-net. Regards, Alan Frabutt #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!rog From: rog@ohm.york.ac.uk (Roger Peppe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: K5 on NeXT? Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:51:18 GMT Organization: Department of Electronics, University of York, UK. Lines: 13 Sender: rp9@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6akvpm$3ud$2@pump1.york.ac.uk> References: <6ajjlq$idc$1@agate.berkeley.edu> Reply-To: rog@ohm.york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: talisker.ohm.york.ac.uk X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.4) On 27 Jan 1998 03:18:18 GMT, Izumi Ohzawa wrote: > I want to thank you sincerely for developing IMAP, which is finally > getting wide recognition it deserves after more than 10 years. If > anyone is frustrated by POP mail servers, see what IMAP can do at > http://www.washington.edu/imap/ IMAP is hideous. if you'd ever seen any of the code, or looked at the protocol, you'd understand why. rog. (who can make incendiary remarks too...) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.pangea.ca!not-for-mail From: siren@surf.pangea.ca (Betty Siren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 27 Jan 1998 22:49:22 -0600 Organization: Pangea.CA, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6amdci$e3i@surf.pangea.ca> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <6adn7b$gkh$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: surf.pangea.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS writes: >In <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> mmalcolm crawford wrote: >[...] >> utility. Let's move forward... >Why not an OpenStep one and then port it to Rhapsody ;-? Hmm ... Rapsody on Black mite even be a net gain of more than goodwill? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: How to launch a sub-process ? Date: 28 Jan 1998 06:42:08 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6amk00$caa$1@news.idiom.com> References: <6akq6k$rqi$1@arcturus.ciril.fr> Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: Philippe.Coucaud@esial.u-nancy.fr In <6akq6k$rqi$1@arcturus.ciril.fr> Philippe Coucaud wrote: -> Hi, -> -> I need to launch a sub-process from one application. -> -> I create a NSTask object, and send it the launchTaskWithLaunchPath: message -> with a "valid" path returned by a file selection dialog. -> -> I get the following message : "launching /.../my.app failed" You're trying to execute a directory, looks like. The app wrapper is *not* the program. Try appending the name of the actual executable to the path. Also, you may or may not want to execute this as an NSTask. You might want to message the workspace to open the app as if the user had double-clicked on it. -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 28 Jan 1998 06:51:13 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6amkh1$caa$2@news.idiom.com> References: <6a8eh2$1dm@obiwan.oroinc.com> <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> <6adn7b$gkh$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6amdci$e3i@surf.pangea.ca> Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: siren@surf.pangea.ca In <6amdci$e3i@surf.pangea.ca> Betty Siren wrote: -> (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS writes: -> -> >In <6adl2f$l7c$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> mmalcolm crawford wrote: -> -> >[...] -> >> utility. Let's move forward... -> -> >Why not an OpenStep one and then port it to Rhapsody ;-? -> -> Hmm ... Rapsody on Black mite even be a net gain of more than goodwill? The problem with this is: once it is demonstrated that Rhapsody can work on a 68000 family machine, all the people with old 68K macs will demand it, and Apple hardware was such a bleeding mess of motherboard revs that supporting all the macs back to the 68040/Nubuss machines would be prohibitively expensive. -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!ix.netcom.com!not-for-mail From: Jonathan Hendry Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: outb on OpenStep? Date: 24 Jan 1998 01:31:48 GMT Organization: Steel Driving Software, Chicago Lines: 37 Sender: Jonathan Hendry Message-ID: <6abga4$hqq@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chi-il14-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jan 23 7:31:48 PM CST 1998 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 970622] Folks, I'm trying to write a little app to control an FM radio card in my PC, based on some code in a Linux app. The Linux app uses 'outb' to send data (commands) to the card. I've found an 'outb' implementation in DriverKit (driverkit/i386/ioPorts.h>. It's an inline function, so it should be pretty independant - I shouldn't need any libraries or whatnot. When I try to compile my program, make barfs on the outb implementation, complaining about the assembler code in use: /NextDeveloper/Headers/driverkit/i386/ioPorts.h:82: inconsistent operand constraints in an `asm' The problem shows up here: asm volatile( "outb %2,%1; lock; incl %0" : "=m" (xxx) : "d" (port), "a" (data), "0" (xxx) Bug>> : "cc"); I've no clue about assembler. Anyone have a guess at what the problem is? Or, does anyone have a different way to accomplish the same thing? Thanks, Jon #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.2.232.127!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu.MISMATCH!NNTP.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU!pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!cd2d+ From: Christopher Paul Diehl Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,cmu.comp.os.linux Subject: Line buffering the serial port Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:28:36 -0500 Organization: Doctoral student, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 34 Message-ID: <0onqf4200YUh0C1FU0@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <0one2u200YUh0UyFU0@andrew.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po8.andrew.cmu.edu X-Added: With Flames (outnews v2.6) Hello, I am writing a program to read off some data from the serial port and I'd like to set up a line buffer for the data stream. I took my best stab at this with the following code but it's not working. Can anyone offer suggestions as to what changes I should make to this code? Thanks for your help... Chris ---------- int f; char c = 'r', *buf; FILE* fp; /* Allocate memory for the line buffer */ if ((buf = (char *) malloc(sizeof(char)*BUFSIZE)) == NULL) printf("Unable to allocate memory for the line buffer"); /* Open the serial port */ f=open(port, O_RDONLY,0); fp = fdopen(f,&c); . . . /* Use the allocated memory to line buffer the serial port */ setvbuf(fp,buf,_IOLBF,BUFSIZE); #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 29 Jan 1998 08:02:11 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: manny363@earthlink.net Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: free teen girls X-Original-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:01:50 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-18-215.oak.inreach.net X-Original-From: manny363@earthlink.net X-CosmoTraq: .P1Q6(<<2;H"MVK2XC`!2AWDL4X+L-&2M6**<0$\);9/.!WW;N0'[SM* X-Cancel-ID: 1GO2/;[1=C$`\3GVZ/LOF':K`FWN`:9A,"%I)A@K7\BFVS*='C'6D6!1 X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: security programs klaxon and icmpinfo Date: 29 Jan 1998 14:29:41 GMT Organization: none Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6aq3ol$f7q$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a18u8$49s$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <34d01363.0@192.33.12.30> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <34d01363.0@192.33.12.30> jonathan klein wrote: > The build is failing because the function setsid() isn't found in any > library. It's because it's a POSIX only function. If you look at the > source code, you'll notice that the call to setsid() is only used > when the -l option is used from the command line. This -l option > appears to make icmpinfo run in the background and log to syslog. Maybe that's what *you* see :-) When I look at it, I see a bunch of gobbledegook. > My _contraversial_ advice: *delete* line 132 from icmpinfo.c. If you > can live without the -l option, then the program will work just as > usual. If you do need the -l option, try using it at your own risk :) I did... it compiles... it even runs with the -l flag.... However, the program doesn't act like I'd expect.... it seems to show *my* ICMP info (ie: who I am pinging, rather than who is pinging me). I'll try to find out more about it.... Thanks for the reply TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 29 Jan 1998 11:32:40 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: 24manny363@earthlink.net Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: teen nudes X-Original-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:32:22 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-18-234.oak.inreach.net X-Original-From: 24manny363@earthlink.net X-CosmoTraq: ZSK]UJN"M:1T,;Q-?_[F=H/'VY@B4.Q1GR"(.S=++K5;40+@%;H=[AY1 X-Cancel-ID: \(NN&9FL4@T0FTFSR][LJ""[WDG)W((]0,MYX_L.'-A0ZPYY^0RR;7#[ X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.seicom.net!not-for-mail From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: security programs klaxon and icmpinfo Date: 30 Jan 1998 02:37:30 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6areda$6pg$3@news.seicom.net> References: <6a18u8$49s$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <34d01363.0@192.33.12.30> <6aq3ol$f7q$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: miranda.burn.this.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: In <6aq3ol$f7q$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > In <34d01363.0@192.33.12.30> jonathan klein wrote: > However, the program doesn't act like I'd expect.... it seems to show *my* > ICMP info (ie: who I am pinging, rather than who is pinging me). Yep, I have seen this too - trying out the program only records local activity... So just use tcpdump, and it will happily record every icmp echo request your interface see, a binary is available on my web page. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net/~frank * NeXTSTEP, IRIX, Solaris, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy * "I have to go now, there are two men in white suits with a giant * butterfly net at my door..." #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: compiling gcc on NS 4.2 Date: 30 Jan 1998 04:43:13 GMT Organization: none Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6arlp1$c8d$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6arj7f$kbr@transfer.stratus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: root@evans.az.stratus.com gcc.2.7.2.3.2 is compiled for OpenStep... it can be found at http://www.peak.org/openstep/new_arrivals/ TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!shelob.afs.com!news From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NSTask broken on OS/Win? Date: 29 Jan 1998 16:22:35 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6aqacb$r10@shelob.afs.com> Reply-To: Greg_Anderson@afs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.149.42.192 Here's the situation: I have some code that sets up an NSTask with three arguments, then launches and waits for it to finish. It works fine in OS/Mach 4.2. It does not work in OS/Win 4.2. BUT on Windows, if I glom the command and all the arguments into one big string and pass them to a system() call, it works fine. The problem with that approach is that a visible MSDOS window appears for the duration of the task, which is ugly. I found a message in DejaNews from Gabriel Musatescu back in August where he reported the same problem (and then solved it himself), but neither of his conditions applies to me. Does anyone know what's going on? Worst case, is there a way to launch a system() call on Windows without opening a visible window? -- Gregory H. Anderson | "We're in the land of the blind, Visionary Ophthalmologist | selling working eyeballs, and they Anderson Financial Systems | balk at the choice of color." -- Tony greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | Lovell, on Mac user reactions to NeXT #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!news.itis.com!news.doit.wisc.edu!not-for-mail From: bestor@cs.wisc.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NXImage question Date: 29 Jan 1998 18:42:38 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6aqiiu$134o$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> Reply-To: bestor@cs.wisc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: f180-066.net.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) I want to load a b/w or color tiff image from a file and do some pixel operations on it. I've loaded and displayed the image OK. However, I'm wondering what the best way is to get this (possibly color) NXImage into a suitable NXBitmapImageRep where I can start reading individual pixels. It seems like I want to add a monochrome NXBitmapImageRep to the NXImage (how). Correct? Also, will NXImage automatically reduce the color depth of the existing image or will I need to do that myself. I guess I'm a little confused by as to what exactly is the relationship between the NXImage class and the NX*ImageRep classes, which are not subclases of NXImage. I've read the relevant online docs, but can anyone explain it better in 30 words or less? :-) Thanks in advance, - Gareth --- Gareth Bestor bestor@cs.wisc.edu Computer Sciences Department http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~bestor University of Wisconsin-Madison #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.seicom.net!not-for-mail From: frank@this.NO_SPAM.net (Frank M. Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: security programs klaxon and icmpinfo Date: 30 Jan 1998 00:45:10 GMT Organization: Frank's Area 51 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6ar7qm$6pg$2@news.seicom.net> References: <6a18u8$49s$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <34d01363.0@192.33.12.30> NNTP-Posting-Host: miranda.burn.this.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: jklein@freon,artificial.com In <34d01363.0@192.33.12.30> jonathan klein wrote: > The build is failing because the function setsid() isn't found in any > library. It's because it's a POSIX only function. If you look at the > source code, you'll notice that the call to setsid() is only used > when the -l option is used from the command line. This -l option > appears to make icmpinfo run in the background and log to syslog. > > Looking at the source, I'm not sure why the setsid() call is even > needed! I believe the program would run fine without it. On > the other hand, I don't use POSIX functions and am a tiny bit > unclear about what it does. > > My _contraversial_ advice: *delete* line 132 from icmpinfo.c. If you > can live without the -l option, then the program will work just as > usual. If you do need the -l option, try using it at your own risk :) Just replace setsid(); by setpgrp(0, getpid()); and it should do the same (Disassociate from process group, something a daemon should do to behave normally), see man setpgrp for more info. -- * Frank M. Siegert [frank@this.net] - Home http://www.this.net/~frank * NeXTSTEP, IRIX, Solaris, Linux, BeOS & PostScript Guy * "I have to go now, there are two men in white suits with a giant * butterfly net at my door..." #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.60.22.3!xmission!not-for-mail From: Trevin Beattie <*trevin*@*xmission*.*com*> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: How do I build the Gnu utilities? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:26:54 +0000 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6asnvc$p7n$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc156.modem.xmission.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) I've been attempting to build the various Gnu source distributions on NeXTSTEP 3.3 (m68k), partially because the Gnu commands have much more functionality and are more familiar. While most of the simpler utilities had no problems (such as tar, sh-utils, textutils) I have run into a problem with fileutils-3.16. With just a plain configure and make, the package compiles without any error but all the programs give a run-time error: Floating exception A stack trace from gdb shows this fault occurs in malloc(), called from bindtextdomain(). I thought setting CFLAGS="-posix" would help, but then it wouldn't even compile. I built the Gnu malloc library and tried compiling with it, but that didn't work either (I'm sure fileutils had that same library built in already). I also had a problem with perl 5 causing a lot of memory faults, but perl is not a critical program for me right now. I tried building the Roxen web server, which is more urgent (not a Gnu program, but uses their configure script), but version 1.2 b1 won't even pass the configuration stage, and version 1.1 gives several compile time errors about undefined macros which I recognize as being part of the POSIX standard. Can anybody tell me what would be required, short of making major modifications to the Gnu sources, to get these utilities to compile and run correctly? I'm thinking along the lines of building the latest glibc and gcc, but that may give me worse headaches. -- Trevin Beattie "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, *To*reply*to*this* for you are crunchy and good with ketchup." *message,*remove*the* --unknown *asterisks*from*my*email*address.* #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.1.51!spamkiller.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!not-for-mail Subject: OpenPanel bug in OpenStep???? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Reply-To: hacker@computation.com From: Dark Hacker X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-30007-01 Lines: 48 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:42:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.44.56.149 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:42:41 EST Is there a problem with the OpenPanel class? The filenames returned from the openPanel are not the directories I selected. In fact, the path returned doesn't even exist on my machine! In the debugger, the files string returned by the following code yields the following path: (gdb) po files (/Stuff/Thesis/TestExperiment.bishop) when in fact the path name on my file system is: /Stuff/Thesis/Experiments/Experiment10.bishop Experiment10.bishop is a folder, not a file so I have "canChooseDirectories" turned on. Note that the "Experiments" folder sitting smack in the middle was removed from the returned path! Does anyone have any idea why something as basic as OpenPanel would fail like like this?????? The following code produces bogus results.... - open:sender { NSArray *files; NSOpenPanel *openPanel; NSArray *fileTypes = [ NSArray arrayWithObjects: @"bishop", nil ]; int result; openPanel = [NSOpenPanel openPanel]; [openPanel setAllowsMultipleSelection:NO]; [openPanel setCanChooseDirectories: YES]; [openPanel setCanChooseFiles: NO]; // result = [openPanel runModalForTypes:fileTypes]; result = [openPanel runModalForDirectory:NSHomeDirectory() file:nil types:fileTypes]; if ( result == NSOKButton ) { files = [openPanel filenames]; if ( files && [ files count ] > 0 ) { designFolder = [ files lastObject ]; } } else designFolder = nil; return self; } -- Dark Hacker | e-mail hacker@computation.com Lord Of Computation | web http://www.computation.com/pub/hacker/ "Wind blows" "Fire burns" "Rain falls" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!209.90.0.8!alpha.sky.net!news.squonk.net!not-for-mail From: Garance A Drosehn Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Porting Communicator 5.0 to NeXTStep 3.2 Date: 29 Jan 1998 23:07:21 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6ar239$9p$2@duke.squonk.net> References: <6agleb$heb$20@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aofn9$aco$1@news.apple.com> <6aol9v$5ca$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.113.24.92 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > So as I said... Right now Netscape has support for Java & > Javascript & Real Audio and OmniWeb doesn't.... > > I still prefer OmniWeb, but Netscape still has more current > bells & whistles. And right now Communicator 5.0 isn't a product, and certainly isn't running on OpenStep. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: security programs klaxon and icmpinfo Date: 30 Jan 1998 03:22:31 GMT Organization: none Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6arh1n$c8d$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a18u8$49s$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <34d01363.0@192.33.12.30> <6aq3ol$f7q$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6areda$6pg$3@news.seicom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) > Yep, I have seen this too - trying out the program only records local > activity... Yeah... if I ping myself from the same host, it gets recorded. > So just use tcpdump, and it will happily record every icmp echo request your > interface see, a binary is available on my web page. yeah but then KPerfMon stops working... and doesn't tcpdump log a whole lot more than icmp ? I was hoping for some little thing I could run in the background just to watch for pings... TjL ps -- the " setpgrp(0, getpid()); " trick worked just fine.... no difference in behavior, but it compiles better :-) -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!news.tacom.army.mil!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!transfer.stratus.com!usenet From: root@evans.az.stratus.com (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: compiling gcc on NS 4.2 Date: 30 Jan 1998 03:59:43 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6arj7f$kbr@transfer.stratus.com> Reply-To: beva@evans.az.stratus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: evans.az.stratus.com Has anyone compiled gcc version 2.8.0 or 2.7.2 (included in developer package) on NS 4.2. I have been trying to compile it but have not been able to get it to work. Anyone have any hints/ideas on how to compile gcc. Brant Evans beva@evans.az.stratus.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newbabylon.rs.itd.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: "Robert A. Decker" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Problem with NSCalendarDate and NSThread sleep Date: 26 Jan 98 10:45:52 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan ITD News Server Lines: 109 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: comrade.cancer.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 X-News-Servers: news.itd.umich.edu X-Newsgroups-TO: nntp://news.itd.umich.edu/comp.sys.next.programmer I have an NSCalendarDate object that I add 604800 seconds to (which should be 7 days). I then tell a thread to sleep until that date. However, the thread actually only sleeps 3505 seconds (but as you can see, the Date is set correctly). Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? I wrote a quick little program to show this. The program is at the end of this message. Here is the output of the program: Jan 24 17:36:07 testDate4[1101] turnDate is 1998-01-24 17:36:06 -0500 before adding 604800 seconds. Jan 24 17:36:07 testDate4[1101] adding 604800 seconds and sleeping to 1998-01-31 17:36:06 -0500. Jan 24 18:34:30 testDate4[1101] turnDate is 1998-01-31 17:36:06 -0500 before adding 604800 seconds. Jan 24 18:34:30 testDate4[1101] adding 604800 seconds and sleeping to 1998-02-07 17:36:06 -0500. Jan 24 19:32:55 testDate4[1101] turnDate is 1998-02-07 17:36:06 -0500 before adding 604800 seconds. Jan 24 19:32:55 testDate4[1101] adding 604800 seconds and sleeping to 1998-02-14 17:36:06 -0500. rob #import #import #import #import @interface Test : NSObject { NSCalendarDate *turnDate; } - (void) run; @end @implementation Test - init { [super init]; turnDate = [[NSCalendarDate calendarDate] retain]; return self; } - (void) run { NSAutoreleasePool *pool; int secondsToAdd; NSLog (@"BEGIN run"); secondsToAdd = 604800; while (YES) { pool = [[NSAutoreleasePool alloc] init]; NSLog(@" turnDate is %@ before adding %@ seconds.", turnDate, [NSNumber numberWithInt:secondsToAdd]); [turnDate autorelease]; turnDate = [[turnDate dateByAddingYears:0 months:0 days:0 hours:0 minutes:0 seconds:secondsToAdd] retain]; NSLog(@" adding %@ seconds and sleeping to %@.", [NSNumber numberWithInt:secondsToAdd], turnDate); [NSThread sleepUntilDate:turnDate]; [pool release]; } [NSThread exit]; NSLog (@"END run"); } @end int main(int argc, const char *argv[]) { NSAutoreleasePool *pool; Test *test; pool = [NSAutoreleasePool new]; test = [[Test alloc] init]; [NSThread detachNewThreadSelector:@selector(run) toTarget:test withObject:nil]; return NSApplicationMain(argc, argv); } rob -- Programmer Analyst - Health Media Research Lab University of Michigan Comprehensive Cancer Center "Get A Life" quote #2: "Has anyone seen Chris? I have some last minute instructions for the scene where he wrestles the evil monkey." -Get a Life #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!uni-erlangen.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!marcel From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NXImage question Date: 30 Jan 1998 11:15:27 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6ascof$hg1$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <6aqiiu$134o$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit bestor@cs.wisc.edu writes: >I want to load a b/w or color tiff image from a file and do some pixel >operations on it. I've loaded and displayed the image OK. However, I'm >wondering what the best way is to get this (possibly color) NXImage into a >suitable NXBitmapImageRep where I can start reading individual pixels. It >seems like I want to add a monochrome NXBitmapImageRep to the NXImage (how). >Correct? Also, will NXImage automatically reduce the color depth of the >existing image or will I need to do that myself. Just load the NXBitmapImageRep with the tiff data and work on that. Use the NXImage *only* if you are done with modifying the actual data and just want to display. You can draw the NXBitmapImageRep directly without resorting to a NXImage. >I guess I'm a little confused by as to what exactly is the relationship >between the NXImage class and the NX*ImageRep classes, which are not >subclases of NXImage. I've read the relevant online docs, but can anyone >explain it better in 30 words or less? :-) The NX*ImageRep are the actual images. NXImage isn't. NXImage can manage a group of images that are supposed to show the same thing, but with different means (mono/color bitmap/eps 1 bit / 8 bit, ..) It then picks the most appropriate one for a given display or other output device automagically, and also caches images for faster display. (Note: modificactions to the cached images won't show up). Marcel -- Java is the most distressing thing to hit computing since MS-DOS. - Alan Kay - #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: raceves@vengrp.com (Rudy Aceves) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Need replacement for rint() Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:02:24 GMT Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34d24cca.70486674@news.dcsi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cyrax19.arcology.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Hello, I'm trying to learn Obj-C with OPENSTEP 4.2 and trying to port some code that came from NextStep 4.2 as well. The code has a function called rint(). This function doesn't seem to exist in OPENSTEP 4.2. I have no idea what it does, or what a suitable replacement would be. I can't find any doc's on it either. Can anyone help? Thanks, - Rudy. raceves@vengrp.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!fastnet!news-xfer.netaxs.com!shelob.afs.com!news From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Need replacement for rint() Date: 31 Jan 1998 00:03:15 GMT Organization: Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6atpo3$6l8@shelob.afs.com> References: <6atn5i$fh7$3@news.xmission.com> Reply-To: Greg_Anderson@afs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.149.42.192 Don Yacktman writes > raceves@vengrp.com (Rudy Aceves) wrote: > > I'm trying to learn Obj-C with OPENSTEP 4.2 and trying to port some > > code that came from NextStep 4.2 as well. The code has a > > function called rint(). This function doesn't seem to exist in > > OPENSTEP 4.2. I have no idea what it does, or what a suitable > > replacement would be. I can't find any doc's on it either. > > Can anyone help? > > It seems to still be in the man pages on 4.2, however. Are you > remembering to (a) #include and (b) link against the math > library (-lm)? Even though it is hidden in the OS/Mach release, rint() is not available on OS/Windows, so you might as well prepare for its absence. > The function rounds double to ints. It should be really easy to > recreate yourself if it is actually missing... Here's the macro I use: #ifdef WIN32 #define rint(X) (((X-floor(X))<0.5)?floor(X):ceil(X)) #endif -- Gregory H. Anderson | "We're in the land of the blind, Visionary Ophthalmologist | selling working eyeballs, and they Anderson Financial Systems | balk at the choice of color." -- Tony greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | Lovell, on Mac user reactions to NeXT #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.eerie.fr!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!telmat-net.fr!not-for-mail From: "Matthieu KREMBEL" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: WebObjects 3.5 ? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:59:56 +0100 Organization: TELMAT-NET TELMAT Informatique (France) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6b9ld9$dbi$1@news.telmat-net.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: rnis5.telmat-net.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hello, I am discovering the new version 3.5 of WebObjects and I works with Java. Are you a lot of people in the world to work with it ? I am interested in hearing about your experiences Matthieu Krembel E-Mail : m.krembel@ch-rouffach.fr #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!iaxs.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!not-for-mail From: uwectbnn@BeauBlonde.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: - BEAUTIFUL BLONDE!! --(picturepost)blo0045.jpg[1/1] Date: 12 Feb 1998 15:54:02 EST Organization: None Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6bvnha$ot8$1615@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ott-on4-27.netcom.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART_BOUNDARY_TVKOAXQQSB" NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 1998 15:54:02 EST x-no-archive: yes X-Newsreader: 2.0.11 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.marketplace:20302 comp.sys.next.misc:27661 comp.sys.next.programmer:27577 --PART_BOUNDARY_TVKOAXQQSB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="test.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="test.html" Content-Base: "file:///C|/test.html" --PART_BOUNDARY_TVKOAXQQSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://204.238.155.37/biz/PREMIUM/enter.html http://204.238.155.37/biz/PREMIUM/enter.html http://204.238.155.37/biz/PREMIUM/enter.html http://204.238.155.37/biz/PREMIUM/enter.html #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.best.com!ns3.vrx.net!not-for-mail From: maury@remove_this.istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Ok, why does OS use... Date: 12 Feb 1998 18:39:30 GMT Organization: Well I'm not! Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6bvfl2$m05$8@ns3.vrx.net> References: <6budgs$ia6$1@news.xmission.com> <6bufru$j26$1@leonie.object-factory.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mothra.oaai.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <6bufru$j26$1@leonie.object-factory.com> Erik Doernenburg wrote: > Hm, I don't seem to understand your question. For a start, instance variables > don't have any behaviour. No, but they _set_ behaviour, which is the issue here. More to the point... > (a) [theView setFlipped:YES]; > (b) theView->_flags.flipped = YES; € This comparison talks about it from the code side, but if isFlipped were an instance var, it could be set in IB, thus avoiding the entire issue. > However, I guess that behaviour is needed when the flippedness of a view is > changed (a redraw maybe) and this can only be done properly if a method is > invoked. Or, more clearly, only state changes through methods allow > implementors to add behaviour which is necessarily linked to the state > change. This means, that except for some minor(*) performance gains, there's > no need to directly access instance variables. Uhhh, that ast sentance is true, but that's my question. I'm not too sure I understand the portions above that. > That's true, but I'd guess that in 99% of the cases it is way simpler to > subclass the view in question. Not to mention clarity of design... But this is the issue. Imagine if you had to set the bounds of a window via the same mechanism for instance. Maury #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.156.128.20!news1.best.com!ns3.vrx.net!not-for-mail From: maury@remove_this.istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Ok, why does OS use... Date: 12 Feb 1998 18:40:42 GMT Organization: Well I'm not! Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6bvfna$m05$9@ns3.vrx.net> References: <6budgs$ia6$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mothra.oaai.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <6budgs$ia6$1@news.xmission.com> Don Yacktman wrote: > maury@remove_this.istar.ca (Maury Markowitz) wrote: > > Can someone explain why isFlipped is a method rather than an instance > > var? This strikes me as somewhat annoying, in order to change this > > behaviour I have to subclass, and it seems that this is a common enough > > need that it should be easier to do. > > I can't explain why, but if you don't want to subclass, you don't have to. Well I know, kinda (I haven't entirely grokked cats except for breaking out large objects yet). I am trying to focus on the why part though. Maury #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!cyberspam!usenet From: uwectbnn@BeauBlonde.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <6bvnha$ot8$1615@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Control: cancel <6bvnha$ot8$1615@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:07:22 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 4 Approved: hweede@berlin.snafu.de Message-ID: References: <6bvnha$ot8$1615@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: berlin.snafu.de X-Cancelled-By: hweede@berlin.snafu.de X-No-Archive: yes By this advisory message, hweede@berlin.snafu.de recommends the local removal of a spam whose Breidbart index is 454. See report "20423815537-02130007" in news.lists.filters. Subject was: - BEAUTIFUL BLONDE!! --(picturepost)blo0045.jpg[1/1] #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!not-for-mail From: don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Ok, why does OS use... Date: 12 Feb 1998 16:35:45 GMT Organization: MiscKit Development Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6bv8d1$52q$1@news.xmission.com> References: <6budgs$ia6$1@news.xmission.com> <6bunn3$kq9$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> Reply-To: don@misckit.com NNTP-Posting-Host: brain.misckit.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) rog@ohm.york.ac.uk (Roger Peppe) wrote: > On 12 Feb 1998 08:57:00 GMT, Don Yacktman wrote: > > You can use this technique to add instance variables to objects without > > subclassing them. And you don't need the code to the original class. > > the problem with this is that it's a good ol' memory leak - it's > not possible to know when the object has been dealloced, and therefore > that entry in the NSDictionary will stay around forever... > > do you know of any decent workarounds for this? You could override -dealloc in the same category. (That is the better design.) Or you could use a subclass of NSAuroReleasePool that is smart enough to clean this junk up...but that's not very OO. -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com My home page #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!news1.ispnews.com!news8.ispnews.com!not-for-mail From: Eric Hermanson Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Unix command in WebScript Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:48:19 -0700 Organization: Digital Universe Corporation Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34E37C33.A77B151E@alum.mit.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1-43.phx.psn.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) To: "Rudolf B. Blazek" Rudolf B. Blazek wrote: > This is most likely a trivial question, but could someone tell me if (and > how) I can execute a unix command from WebObjects using the WebScript? As far as I know, you can't call "C" functions from WebScript. You'd have to write an Objective-C "wrapper" in compiled code and then call that method from WebScript. In addition, if you wanted to run a Unix command-line program from WebScript, you could use NSTask/NSPipe to set up and launch the program. See the Foundation documentation on NSTask/NSPipe for more details. Eric #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!hermes.louisville.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!not-for-mail From: rsobpfwu@WinDate.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: -Isn't this WOMAN AMAZING? - autopageopen!!beprepared. Date: 12 Feb 1998 20:00:00 EST Organization: None Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6c05ug$du0$270@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ott-on7-16.netcom.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART_BOUNDARY_OPONDDIFLM" NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 1998 20:00:00 EST x-no-archive: yes X-Newsreader: 2.0.11 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27662 comp.sys.next.programmer:27582 comp.sys.next.software:32428 --PART_BOUNDARY_OPONDDIFLM Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="test.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="test.html" Content-Base: "file:///C|/test.html" --PART_BOUNDARY_OPONDDIFLM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!shell4.ba.best.com!darknerd From: Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NeXT HW Information Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:33:05 -0800 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <34DA5DEC.979343ED@alum.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell4.ba.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: 887347988 17340 darknerd 206.184.139.132 In-Reply-To: Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:95032 comp.sys.next.hardware:32313 comp.sys.next.programmer:27583 This information is mostly for the Linux/m68k community, but I've posted to these groups for other interested parties. ------------------------------------------------------------------- I've put some NeXT Hardware Information at: http://www.best.com/~darknerd/68K/next/ http://www.best.com/~darknerd/68K/tech/cube.html And of course as said before, I've put the NeXTSTEP Operating Systems Manual at: http://www.best.com/~darknerd/68K/next/OS/ ... or for dowload: ftp://ftp4.ba.best.com/pub/darknerd/os/os.tgz ftp://ftp4.ba.best.com/pub/darknerd/os/os.sit ftp://ftp4.ba.best.com/pub/darknerd/os/os.zip Also, I'm interested very much in someone donating the NeXTBus Developer's kit so that I can convert the information to PDF or HTML. If there's pointers to NS SDK 2.0 for hardware specific documents, let me know. regards, dg #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <6c16ev$2ae@news-central.tiac.net> Control: cancel <6c16ev$2ae@news-central.tiac.net> Date: 13 Feb 1998 10:16:22 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: suzie Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net X-Original-Subject: ADULT ONLY CINDY.JPG X-Original-Date: 13 Feb 1998 10:14:55 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p0.ts3.derry.nh.tiac.com X-Original-From: suzie X-CosmoTraq: 5VP+T!W.;_0.590&_>@L-CB-'&?!AVDZZ3B(#T0"/_IP:"S@8KHTW%EM X-Cancel-ID: X),>B?<*PGT8BU$2Y_I+L!##3KDG.O*M2+N!0A^!`\W[I5VHBW7CK X-Commentary: Spam is lame. 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Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k Subject: cmsg cancel <6c0505$cs1$164@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Control: cancel <6c0505$cs1$164@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Date: 13 Feb 1998 11:16:29 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: ukwglgfc@bionet.net Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.49!feed2.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.214.208.3!news.dbtech.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: List of FREE Adult Sites. X-Original-Date: 12 Feb 1998 19:43:49 EST X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ott-on7-16.netcom.ca X-Original-From: ukwglgfc@bionet.net X-CosmoTraq: <^JY_*54-09:M-V_*;T"2-X&B7C&3%.]RT[@5QHI-?$N1%'K>\59NA8] X-Cancel-ID: _(O:&8^B4CD0ITF%M7X[MA Date: 13 Feb 1998 02:34:52 GMT Control: cancel <6c05ug$du0$270@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Message-ID: Sender: rsobpfwu@WinDate.com X-Cancelled-By: sef@kithrup.com Approved: sef@kithrup.com Lines: 1 Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!rog From: rog@ohm.york.ac.uk (Roger Peppe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: gprof under openstep: is it possible? Date: 13 Feb 1998 11:41:31 GMT Organization: Department of Electronics, University of York, UK. Lines: 23 Sender: rp9@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6c1bhb$d30$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> References: <6bt23a$1a3$2@pump1.york.ac.uk> <6bur0r$kj9$2@leonie.object-factory.com> Reply-To: rog@ohm.york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: talisker.ohm.york.ac.uk X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.4) On 12 Feb 1998 12:47:23 GMT, Holger Hoffstaette wrote: > Roger Peppe wrote: > > i've been trying to profile a program under openstep 4.2 and the > > compiler setup for this seems rather broken. > Not 100% sure right now, but AFAIR just compiling with -pg is NOT enough! > I think you also need to -DPROFILE - I only use PB for developing, > so you might want to have a look at the makefiles or just peek into the > PB console for the exact parameters. brilliant! thanks. -DPROFILE is indeed what you need to stop all the nasty warnings. (why the the compiler doesn't automatically set it when you specify the -pg option, god only knows - and it's not mentioned anywhere in the documentation as far as i'm aware!) (my other problem was my own fault entirely - i'd forgotten that gprof needs an executable as argument, and it was finding an old a.out file that just happened to be lying around in the same directory..., hence the "beyond end of text" errors) cheers, rog. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!03-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!news.univie.ac.at!not-for-mail From: "Ing.Klaus Hartmann" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Graphicsadapter Revolution 3D, AGP - Problem Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:17:45 +0100 Organization: Vienna University, Austria Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34E447F9.42173FDC@unet.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: uvo-116.univie.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Can anyone help me with my problem: I´ve got an GraphisAdapter Number9 Revolution 3D, 4MB which is supportet with a driver from NextAnswers but only with the PCI-Version ! Has anyone adapted this driver for AGP or knows what changes are to make ??? Please, help I´ve tried pretty much to get this driver working (patching the code with GDB, playing around with the .config-File and so on...) btw: my configuration: Pentium II, 233 MMX, Asus P2L97, Quantum 4.3GB SE, 64 MB SDRAM I´m looking forward to get this shit working, bye and thank you, Klaus (a9027721@unet.univie.ac.at) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!duke.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!not-for-mail From: "Pedro Machado" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: libg++ on opensetp 4.2 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:55:35 -0000 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6c1tp7$t2j$1@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.65.241.116 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I am trying to get a compiled version of libg++ for openstep 4.2 (Next machine). I am not an unix expert and I cannot find it in the usual places, i.e. peak or peanuts. Thanks, Diogo Vitorino #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.insinc.net!cleavage.canuck.com!not-for-mail From: "Alex Molochnikov" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: madd mdiv mult Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:08:28 -0700 Organization: Canada Connect Corp. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6d4lni$4bm$1@cleavage.canuck.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccc011.canuck.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hi! Our long long int fields are being blown out of the water and we are looking for the equivalent functions for madd, mdiv, mult, etc implemented in Berkeley's mp library. Does anyone know if there is such a thing or where we could find it? Thanks heidi heidi@gestalt.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!ironhorse.plsys.co.uk!not-for-mail From: mmalcolm crawford Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Rhapsody third-party-CD does not mount Date: 15 Feb 1998 19:13:05 GMT Organization: P & L Systems Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6c7eo1$c4$4@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <6c6nie$95h$1@sun579.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Reply-To: mmalcolm crawford NNTP-Posting-Host: pheasant.plsys.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: stefan.boehringer@ruhr-uni-bochum.de Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27622 comp.sys.next.software:32491 > I've experienced trouble while mounting Rhapsody third party CD. Neither > inserting the CD at startup time nor inserting it after having logged in will > mount the CD. Rather the CD is actively ejected. > > This is under Rhapsody for Intel. > The Rhapsody Third Part CD is not readable by Intel-based systems, and it doesn't contain any Intel binaries anyway. I would recommend that you download more recent versions of all of the third party applications since they have all been substantially improved since they were released (and in the case of OmniWeb, timed out). Many are available at the peak archive site: ftp://ftp.peak.org/pub/rhapsody/ ftp://ftp.peak.org/pub/rhapsody/new_arrivals/ If you want to use OmniWeb, make sure you have all the relevant components and they're installed in the right places... Best wishes, mmalc. Malcolm Crawford P & L Systems -- developers of Mesa http://www.plsys.co.uk/plsys/ Tel: +44 1494 432422 Fax: +44 1494 432478 #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer From: ergo@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de (Olaf Foellinger) Subject: Re: Display of Row and Column Data in OPENSTEP? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: Sender: news@merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: thrall@serv.net Organization: none X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) References: <6cdu1o$4ef$1@dns2.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:10:25 GMT Lines: 54 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.26.210.166!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-fra.maz.net!news.farside.net!news.toplink.net!LF.net!merlin.stuttgart.netsurf.de!news In <6cdu1o$4ef$1@dns2.serv.net> Dean Johnson wrote: > > I have a small C program that calculates and prints Galois fields. I'd > like to be able to use this with InterfaceBuilder to display it in a > window, but am unsure how to proceed. > > I have looked at the info on NSTableView and NSMatrix, but they kinda > sound like the Column identifiers do not change. Right now the output > looks like this and I'd like a matrixed window to look similar: > > 1 2 3 4 5 > ---------- > 1| 0 0 0 0 0 > 2| 0 1 2 3 4 > 3| 0 2 4 1 3 > 4| 0 3 1 4 2 > 5| 0 4 3 2 1 > > So I need the Row and the Column to be variable depending how big of a > field I am looking for. Is this possible with NSTableView or NSMatrix? One can dynamic create a NSMatrix with variable number of cols and rows using - initWithFrame:mode:cellClass:numberOfRows:numberOfColums: - initWithFrame:mode:prototype:numberOfRows:numberOfColumns: and add or delete rows and cols using -addRow -addColumn and so on - see the online docs. NSTableView is a little bit different because one can only add columns directly, the number of rows is set by the number of available data AFAIK. But even this should be usable. > How hard is it to implement? Not hard - very simple if you know how. > What I mean by the last question is: I've noticed that Obj-C with > ProjectBuilder and IB that even a very small app takes quite a bit of > work/time to the unfamiliar. I do see the benefits provided, but some > of the stuff seems pretty daunting. It's worth to learn that stuff if one wants to develop for OS/Rhapsody. Greetings Olaf -- Olaf Foellinger homepage: http://www1.stuttgart.netsurf.de/~ergo/ NeXTMail & MIME welcome! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!not-for-mail From: deoptgvl@Cybertrust.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: ! 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