#################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!carnaval.risq.qc.ca!not-for-mail From: dalpen@JSP.UMontreal.CA (DALPE Nathalie) Subject: NS 3.2 question Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Message-ID: <85iq.50$ms1.445110@carnaval.risq.qc.ca> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:28:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: epsom.jsp.umontreal.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:28:20 EST Hi, I'm using NextStep 3.0 on a mono slab. I want to install PPP but I read in the doc that I need NS 3.2 minimum to make it work. My question is: if I get a NS3.2 user and install it on my NeXT, will I be able to use my 3.0 developer apps (IB, GCC, etc) or do I need 3.2 dev. as well ? Is the footprint of 3.2 User+dev much bigger than 3.0 user+dev ? Thank you -- Francois Lanciault dalpen@jsp.umontreal.ca #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-regensburg.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <34aaab81.0@news.fh-vorarlberg.ac.at> Control: cancel <34aaab81.0@news.fh-vorarlberg.ac.at> Date: 31 Dec 1997 20:34:02 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: you@somehost.somedomain (Quit Smoking Now) Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newscore.univie.ac.at!03-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!news.fh-vorarlberg.ac.at!orldialup73.intellistar.net X-Original-Subject: Lifesign Quit Smoking Program Featured in Omni, Discovery, Time, and Newsweek http://www.quitsmokingforever.com X-Original-Date: 31 Dec 97 20:30:57 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: orldialup73.intellistar.net X-Original-From: you@somehost.somedomain (Quit Smoking Now) X-CosmoTraq: VW*'1)U*`W`F1ZSE%K62@O\T^O.O_S_^`02G0Q-E0]E2&S+9$K1,FBLT X-Cancel-ID: Reply-To: far_no@spam.ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: whx-ca2-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Dec 31 2:14:03 PM PST 1997 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27381 comp.sys.next.software:32056 SUBMISSION GateKeeper 3.0 Beta 2 GateKeeper 3.0 is an integrated GUI control and PPP package. RELEASE NOTES This is an early, experimental Beta. Minimal testing has been done on Intel hardware running 4.2 User with a SupraSonic modem. Building the source distribution requires NS 3.2/3.3 Developer. It should work with NS 3.2->4.2 User. This release is self contained and will not affect prior releases of GateKeeper or PPP if you install it in a different folder. In this release GateKeeper and the integrated PPP daemon communicate in a peer to peer fashion as necessary via Mach RPC (prior releases parsed the PPP log stream). This allows GateKeeper to dynamically alter the behavior of the running PPP daemon. The current Beta only implements a subset of the planned RPC so many things require the user to stop and start the PPP daemon (from GK) in order for changes to take effect. Central to the operation of this release is "Dial on demand" which I have enabled in the PPP daemon. In fact this release has no "Connect" button beyond it's Manual Dial mechanism. This allows GateKeeper and the PPP daemon to provide the functionality of previous releases while operating independently of each other. For example, if GateKeeper is restarted while a PPP daemon is active it will contact the daemon and resume the peer to peer relationship. The integrated PPP package is based on the NeXT 2.3.1 release of the free PPP as ported by Steve Perkins and others. Significant changes include: GateKeeper.app Architecture has been extensively reworked to support the new model of operation. Preferences now consists of dynamically loaded bundles. PostPPP script execution upon termination of GK and daemon. PPP daemon Dial on demand has been enabled. Mach RPC and communications server thread added. chat Slight mod to overcome cheese ball NeXT POSIX support. Capture and reporting of connection speed via Mach RPC. PPP LKS No changes in this Beta. Testing was done using the PPP2.2 LKS (more stable on my dev system) while this package contains the 2.3.1 LKS. DISTRIBUTION FILES GateKeeper.3.0.Beta.2.s.tar.gz contains a source distribution GateKeeper.3.0.Beta.2.NI.b.tar.gz contains a binary distribution URL's ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/ppp/GateKeeper/GateKeeper.3.0.Beta.2.s.tar gz ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/internet/ppp/GateKeeper/GateKeeper.3.0.Beta.2.NI.b. tar.gz ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Communication/apps/GateKeepe r.3.0.Beta.2.s.tar.gz ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/pub/comp/platforms/next/Communication/apps/GateKeepe r.3.0.Beta.2.NI.b.tar.gz SUPPORT My ability to provide support is very limited. Should you require assistance I will expect you to have the current stable release (2.1) running on your system. During the Beta period I will provide support without charge to those testing the Beta. Upon final release the following will apply: Comments and bug reports are always welcome, but if you would like support the following applies: 1. If you are a non-commercial user and are doing some type of FSF GNU or other freeware work for the UNIX community let me know and we'll call it even. The same is true if you provide software free to single non-commercial users or if you have contributed to the creation of GateKeeper. 2. If you would like E-mail support please register for it by sending in a one time registration fee of $20 USD. 3. If you would like telephone support please contact me via E-mail for details. CURRENT RELEASE The current Beta release of GateKeeper is version 3.0 Beta 2 The current stable release of GateKeeper is version 2.1 FEATURES -- Dial on demand. -- Manual Dial and login to a ppp provider without a script. -- Compound document format for storing information necessary to access an Internet Service Provider. -- GUI document editor (partially implemented) -- Toolbar control -- Idle timeout with sound warning. -- Execute and check exit status of a preLink and a preUnLink script prior to the respective operation. -- displays pppStats -- Redial. -- App Icon session timer. -- Tri-state animated icon provides status feedback. -- Captures and displays connection information BUGS If you are using the GK 2.1 stable release you must switch the PPP log from a FIFO to a file in GK 2.1's preferences. If you want old Gate docs to report connection speed you must add a line to your pppup file like: "REPORT CARRIER". See the enclosed example doc. The documentation does not reflect this Beta release. German localization has been removed from this Beta. If running a local nameserver you should dump it's cache after each PPP session. Comments, bug reports and suggestions should be sent to: Felipe A. Rodriguez 5315 Colodny st. #7 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 far@ix.netcom.com (NeXTmail preferred) (MIMEmail welcome) #################################################################### #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.iswest.net!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: howardk@iswest.com (Howard Knight) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Date: 1 Jan 1998 16:15:18 GMT Control: cancel Message-ID: Sender: X-Cancelled-By: howardk@iswest.com (Howard Knight) X-No-Archive: Yes Approved: y X-Original-Path: news.iswest.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.20.110.210!news.slack.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: X-Original-Subject: We're hoping that 1998 will be your most prosperous year! 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Autocancel spam type: larry-lee #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <68hfk2$lmm@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <68hfk2$lmm@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com> Date: 02 Jan 1998 01:32:13 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!ix.netcom.com!news X-Original-Subject: Debt Consolidations Loan Manual X-Original-Date: 2 Jan 1998 01:24:18 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: peo-il2-12.ix.netcom.com X-Original-From: X-CosmoTraq: F=:5UEV@M5(R-IE!U^J?=_ENZ564@G-WH0[=/P1[8\5*8T_>"OQ8UD%O X-Cancel-ID: RN?EX%9I&41L=:6'F:S`!/H7%1"&F4ETG*75M\G<\#0J1T5`MLEYI,S5 X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.enteract.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news From: rivet@NeXT33.enteract.com (rivet chiroptera) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: test Date: 1 Jan 1998 20:11:49 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Lines: 3 Message-ID: <68gta5$9jm@eve.enteract.com> Reply-To: nadagoth@test.org NNTP-Posting-Host: eseale.sa.enteract.com this is a test of eric's NewsGrazer setup. - #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!wuff.mayn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.space.net!news.camelot.de!news From: heller@altoetting-online.de Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: nntpxmit: how? Date: 1 Jan 1998 17:49:32 GMT Organization: CameloT Online Services Lines: 73 Distribution: world Message-ID: <68gkvc$oak@lancelot.camelot.de> Reply-To: heller@altoetting-online.de NNTP-Posting-Host: heller.altoetting-online.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: NEWS, nntpxmit Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de news.software.nntp:35272 comp.sys.next.misc:27383 Hello, I am trying to set up a local news server, just for myself, so that I can read and post news articles *OFFLINE* and such minimize my online connect time. I have C-news installed and using slurp to *GET* the articles works just fine! however, I can not post! I am using nntpxmit to get my own articles back to my news service provider and from there out to the usenet, but no success: 200 news.camelot.de InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4unoff4 05-Mar-96 ready (posting ok). >>> IHAVE <12271000008685@jobbankusa.com> 480 Transfer permission denied nntpxmit: news improper response to IHAVE: 480 while offering comp/sys/next/marketplace/20 nntpxmit: requeue(comp/sys/next/marketplace/20) nntpxmit: cleanup() nntpxmit: rewrite(/tmp/nntp27420) nntpxmit: copying the unused portion of /tmp/nntp27420 to /tmp/nntpxmit027422 nntpxmit: writing failed article filenames to /tmp/nntpxmit027422 nntpxmit: wrote 1 article filenames to /tmp/nntpxmit027422 nntpxmit: copying /tmp/nntpxmit027422 back to /tmp/nntp27420 nntpxmit: requeue(): reset nntpxmit: rewrite(/tmp/nntp27420): done >>> QUIT I suspect that my ISP does not allow me to transfer news articles, however, I *AM* able to post if I use NewsGrazer.app (my news reader) with the NNTP switch set (as opposed to flat-files) and the NNTP-host set to my provider's news host. But this has the drawback of only being able to read news while I am on-line, which is pretty expensive!! So, if I understand correctly, nntpxmit uses a different protocol than when my newsreader tries to post directly to my provider's news server (as the latter works, while the former doesn't). I also compiled INN1.7 and tried their innxmit (instead of nntpxmit) -- same result, no success: < 200 news.camelot.de InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4unoff4 05-Mar-96 ready (posting ok). >mode stream < 500 What? > ihave <68342a$9e2@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> < 480 Transfer permission denied Nothing sent -- leaving batchfile alone. news stats offered 1 accepted 0 refused 0 rejected 0 news times user 0.016 system 0.110 elapsed 4.717 Now my question is: is there a program out there which I can use so that it will transfer my locally composed/posted news articles to my ISP but which looks to my ISP as if my newsreader would post articles via NNTP directly? I would be very grateful for any hints and tips. Please send them, if possible, by email to: heller@altoetting-online.de Thank you so much in advance!! Bye, Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting-online.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric Subject: cmsg cancel <68jitr$52u@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <68jitr$52u@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Date: 02 Jan 1998 20:38:53 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: rblusmdh@goodtimes.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news X-Original-Subject: Check This Out X-Original-Date: 2 Jan 1998 20:32:59 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: okc-ok1-21.ix.netcom.com X-Original-From: rblusmdh@goodtimes.com X-CosmoTraq: @2@):,V<]=3JP-$6NZVN6Y"PM*)]S6]XKQ*%#&@8*_`VWU0RXERMU>C5?H-CKWXT&XJJ[YCS56C X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-regensburg.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <34acac71.7468500@news.swbell.net> Control: cancel <34acac71.7468500@news.swbell.net> Date: 02 Jan 1998 09:32:48 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: evilstar_@swbell.net (Star Richards) Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!151.164.1.34!swbell!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: WTB/WTS HEWLETT PACKARD PRINTERS AND PERIPHERALS X-Original-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:30:30 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-37-35.rcsntx.swbell.net X-Original-From: evilstar_@swbell.net (Star Richards) X-Original-X-Trace: nnrp3.rcsntx.swbell.net 883733543 21363 (None) 151.164.37.35 X-CosmoTraq: 242UPF-B!0K"IBB^13?-X&3BA^G#ZD@;TRJ_8`,"*J8#`77E,*\"XU(L X-Cancel-ID: 7+W8TUEL##="!WO%K<#^VHSM"`.)G#QGK]=WP+@J\'3@SN References: <%ib+q0g3Ft@big.kvaleberg.no> Reply-To: heller@altoetting-online.de NNTP-Posting-Host: heller.altoetting-online.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de news.software.nntp:35300 comp.sys.next.misc:27384 Hello, thanks to all who answered, I have my system running now! The break-through was using NewsX (http://www.kvaleberg.com/newsx.html), which is JUST what I needed! NewsX does the posting now via the POST protocol, while I am still using C-News and slurp for the rest. Bye! Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting-online.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <68l3kl$4rk$1@fox.dpliv.com> Control: cancel <68l3kl$4rk$1@fox.dpliv.com> Date: 03 Jan 1998 10:11:06 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: capmaster@fox.dpliv.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.254.2!fox.dpliv.com!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Virtual Pet X-Original-Date: 3 Jan 1998 04:24:21 -0600 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.dpliv.com X-Original-From: sales@dino-g.com X-CosmoTraq: D3"!5D4\2U:`?-W0]RPCN6"U\ELFJJ<5WRNQ:1Q!";-+=4CT`=5QUTAE X-Cancel-ID: 2$Y=6,[AD;S3\PC4P-,-9WA^C8C^$<'L`R,X!/`#/9>HKKVX+D'Q'#-3 X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <68mr2d$aq$1@fox.dpliv.com> Control: cancel <68mr2d$aq$1@fox.dpliv.com> Date: 04 Jan 1998 02:09:36 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: capmaster@fox.dpliv.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.31.254.2!fox.dpliv.com!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Virtual Pet X-Original-Date: 3 Jan 1998 20:10:21 -0600 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.dpliv.com X-Original-From: sales@dino-g.com X-CosmoTraq: L8!!U@6LZU:0O3W0ARPR^*"D4WLGZM<5SROP&1T@*9([-1#<" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <34aea5ec.0@london.netkonect.net> Control: cancel <34aea5ec.0@london.netkonect.net> Date: 04 Jan 1998 04:13:50 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: Ian Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!netkonect!london.netkonect.net!isherwood.netkonect.co.uk X-Original-Subject: `Free Live Saucy Chat! X-Original-Date: 3 Jan 98 20:56:12 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: london.netkonect.co.uk X-Original-From: Ian X-CosmoTraq: H6*ITGD265+@Z3WBP/WG#K)$'@9V:\/860:376U7>,]L,W+3'9A7\U\O X-Cancel-ID: OHX_.K7([I^:%2C3_G/) X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!194.72.7.126.MISMATCH!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mozart.onestep.co.uk!not-for-mail From: david@onestep.co.uk (David Knight) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody Web Site Hosting? Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:55:51 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <883475751.12743.0.nnrp-09.c30b1c08@news.demon.co.uk> References: <34A81834.FFDC6495@cats.ucsc.edu> Reply-To: david@onestep.co.uk (David Knight) NNTP-Posting-Host: mozart.onestep.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: mozart.onestep.co.uk [195.11.28.8] Lines: 28 In article <34A81834.FFDC6495@cats.ucsc.edu> "Michael D. Melez" writes: > About a month ago a couple of the Macintosh news sites reported that a > UK web site hosting company was planning to offer low-cost web site > hosting on Rhapsody servers. Now I can't find any information about > this, either on the news sites or anywhere else on the web. Does anyone > have the URL for this company? Hi, I believe there are two of us doing this. We offer the service on Solaris, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody (when Premier is available) based servers only to our smaller customers in specific vertical markets. The other UK company can be reached at http://www.virtual-pc.com --- Regards David Knight OneStep Solutions Plc | UK phone: 01702 426400 | Vendors of NS/OS 351 London Road | fax: 01702 551515 | MCCAs, Hardware Hadleigh | Int'l prefix: +44 1702 | Apps, Networks Essex | | ISDN, Training SS7 2BT | Email: david@onestep.co.uk | Maintenance England | (NeXTMail/MIME ok) | and Support #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news.idt.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <343883285229@digifix.com> Date: 4 Jan 1998 04:58:53 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 330 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <21230883890024@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:91739 comp.sys.next.announce:4517 comp.sys.next.hardware:31854 comp.sys.next.software:32072 comp.sys.next.misc:27386 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29349 comp.sys.next.bugs:4662 comp.sys.next.programmer:27304 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. 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Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!fu-berlin.de!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.44.2.10!nntp.cntfl.com!news.gnt.net!not-for-mail From: veghdpet@somethingofyourchoice.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: C.R.Computers-Wholesale Prices-http://www.gnt.net/~crc Date: 5 Jan 1998 12:23:09 GMT Organization: C.R.Computers Lines: 1 Message-ID: <68qjbd$600$12681@tourist.gnt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: thunder.gnt.com x-no-archive: yes X-Newsreader: 2.0.0 A http://www.gnt.net/~crc for great buys on computer hardware and complete systems #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-regensburg.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news.coli.uni-sb.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!nocemed!mmfcancel!cyberspam!chainsaw Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric From: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: Control: cancel <68qi08$bcl@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <68qi08$bcl@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> no reply ignore Reply-To: bitbucket@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: Semi-Automatic Lupine Remover Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:06:42 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Cancel-Flags: ar X-Orig-Path: newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.214.99.1!ix.netcom.com!news Sender: hgrjorpv@money.com X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: lvx-nv10-16.ix.netcom.com X-Cancel-ID: M`T&;X:9J&627W%$N\Y]T.0]-I^VR=B5PH^A=.O^K0`4;6;/YOD(Q?*_ Lines: 2 ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by J. Porter Clark. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-regensburg.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!news.noc.cabal.int!erlenstar.ml.org!annihilator!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <68qjbd$600$12681@tourist.gnt.net> ignore no reply Control: cancel <68qjbd$600$12681@tourist.gnt.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:40:49 +0000 Sender: veghdpet@somethingofyourchoice.com From: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk Organization: Annihilator v0.1 Approved: y X-Cancelled-By: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk X-No-Archive: yes X-Original-Path: ...!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.44.2.10!nntp.cntfl.com!news.gnt.net!not-for-mail X-Original-From: veghdpet@somethingofyourchoice.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: thunder.gnt.com X-Original-Subject: C.R.Computers-Wholesale Prices-http://www.gnt.net/~crc X-Original-Date: 5 Jan 1998 12:23:09 GMT X-Cancel-ID: C^F!V'B+$>!N.I0O]`=H\[\9L0BHNT$0GFK$7R0WF"/O2>$XV.MQ0,Z: Lines: 1 Spam (EMP) cancelled - type=SBOTA #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!news.BLaCKSMITH.com!not-for-mail From: Chuck Swiger Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nntpxmit: how? Date: 5 Jan 1998 17:44:38 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <68r666$879$6@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <68gkvc$oak@lancelot.camelot.de> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: balt.blacksmith.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de news.software.nntp:35376 comp.sys.next.misc:27389 heller@altoetting-online.de wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to set up a local news server, just for myself, so that I can > read and post news articles *OFFLINE* and such minimize my online connect > time. [ ... ] > I also compiled INN1.7 and tried their innxmit (instead of nntpxmit) -- > same result, no success: > < 200 news.camelot.de InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4unoff4 05-Mar-96 > ready (posting ok). > >mode stream > < 500 What? > > ihave <68342a$9e2@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> > < 480 Transfer permission denied > Nothing sent -- leaving batchfile alone. > news stats offered 1 accepted 0 refused 0 rejected 0 > news times user 0.016 system 0.110 elapsed 4.717 The problem is that your ISP is only permitting you to connect as a reader, rather than as a full NNTP peer. In other words, you aren't allowed to try to exchange articles with them via "ihave", you can only do a "post". You need to either convince them to give you full permissions to exchange articles with them (which is not likely), or you need to change how you're sending articles to them. The docs for SLURP should tell you what to do for the latter case. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cswiger@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+------------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!news.noc.cabal.int!erlenstar.ml.org!annihilator!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric Subject: cmsg cancel <157ce$112420.41@news> ignore no reply Control: cancel <157ce$112420.41@news> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:41:24 +0000 Sender: sbdeamtqkevin.bitch.smash@ponyfarm.net From: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk Organization: Annihilator v0.1 Approved: y X-Cancelled-By: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk X-No-Archive: yes X-Original-Path: ...!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news!not-for-mail X-Original-From: sbdeamtqkevin.bitch.smash@ponyfarm.net X-Original-Subject: very classy adult site X-Original-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:36:32 GMT X-Cancel-ID: ]X$H3NG\AX<&HBQ2PM6+BR>Q6'X9++>W-M)<@O(%N[M7X8BN25SGYV8" Lines: 1 Spam (EMP) cancelled - type=SBOTA #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!fdn.fr!r2d2.fdn.org!claire!yves From: yves (Yves_AKAKPO) Subject: WTB SRAM for DSP Motorola 56001 Message-ID: Keywords: DSP Sender: yves@yves.fdn.fr (Yves AKAKPO) Reply-To: yves@yves.fdn.fr Organization: Individual Distribution: World Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:29:24 GMT Lines: 13 WTB SIMM StaticRAM ( SRAM ) for my DSP DSP Motorola 56001 Slab NeXTstation Turbo CPU Motorola 68040 RAM 24 Mo SIMM (70 ns) OS NeXTStep 3.3 Any ideas? Thanks! Yves #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: keith@prism.ccs.washington.edu (Keith Stubblefield) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.pen Subject: ignore me Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 02:34:55 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 1 Message-ID: <34b897f9.95307374@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-207-205-222-182.pitb.grid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 6 Jan 1998 02:38:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.newton.misc:128794 comp.sys.next.misc:27391 comp.sys.pen:18886 go ahead, just do it #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.10.194.34!smartdna!nntp.smartdna.com!NewsWatcher!user From: glipof@smartdna.com (Guy Lipof) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.objective-c,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,,comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior Subject: OPENSTEP Developer/Enterprise and COM Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:47:09 -0500 Organization: Smart Technologies Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.51.245.250 X-newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27316 comp.lang.objective-c:6685 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29365 comp.sys.next.misc:27392 comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior:81010 i am about to begin a project and would like to use openstep or codewarrior to do it. i am unfamilar with codewarrior in a windows environment so i don't know how it handles com objects and am new to openstep as a developer. two of the requirements of this project are: 1. runs on windows nt (i also want it to run on rhapsody when released) 2. needs to be a com object i searched apple's enterprise site and reviewed my openstep developer and enterprise documentation and could not find any references or samples for creating corba or com objects. also i am three revs behind in my copy of codewarrior and was wondering if anyone was doing any com work in it on the windows side. thank you for the help... guy r. lipof ________________________________________ glipof@smartdna.com | software engineer #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q - OS4.2 & WordPerfect? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: 6 Jan 1998 20:03:00 GMT Organization: none Lines: 68 Message-ID: <68u2lk$1fn$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <68tllc$540$1@news.goodnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: brandy@futureone.com Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.soft-sys.nextstep:3377 comp.sys.next.advocacy:91960 comp.sys.next.software:32099 comp.sys.next.misc:27393 NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE First of all, PLEASE do not continue to crosspost. It may not bother other people but it bugs me because it is entirely unnecessary (the groups are low volume); comp.sys.next.misc should *never* be crossposted to (especially since this is clearly a software question) and it is not an advocacy issue. You didn't even put a Followups-To line, so there will be followup threads everywhere, making it likely there will be reduplication of effort in answering your question. See http://www.stepwise.com/Resources/Newsgroups/roadmap.html for a handy guide on posting to the various groups. > I have often heard how timing is everything. Posting this question an hour > before Steve Jobs' keynote speech at the MACWORLD EXPO where surely > Rhapsody/Premier(?) will be the rage on everyone's lips, may mean that I > shouldn't expect an answer to my question anytime soon or at all. Only if you expect everyone to be going to MacWorld Expo > Nevertheless, I better ask while it is on my mind. I am interested in > learning if anyone know whether the last version of WordPerfect published in > like March 1994 with the ADB support will run under OPENSTEP 4.2 on black > hardware? I have a NEXTstation Turbo Color. Yes it will. > I find what I hear about new versions of OmniWeb (3.x), Stone's software, and > the like to be compelling reasons to upgrade or even try to set-up the > dual-boot thingy with NS 3.3. It would also be nice not to have to use the > Windows environment to connect to the Internet in order to learn (because of > the different shock and cu-seeme and etc. formats) what is going on with > Apple (NeXT). However, I have most of my files in WordPerfect and find that > even with its limitations, I can do most of what I would like without a > problem. I'm not really clear what kind of dual-boot you are talking about. OmniWeb 3.x requires OpenStep 4.2 (or a hack to use it with 4.1). Stone Design's newest Create requires Rhapsody or OpenStep. I'm not sure why you'd want to dual boot OS 4.2 and NS 3.3 unless you are talking about development stuff. If you mean dual booting with OpenStep 4.2 and Win* to use things like Shock, RealAudio, etc than I understand completely because I am doing this myself. They are nice things to have but I still spend most of my time on the OS side of things. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.uni-paderborn.de!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!not-for-mail From: mbessey@apple.com (Mark Bessey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 7 Jan 1998 03:05:33 GMT Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> References: Reply-To: MaRK_BeSSeY@aPPLe.CoM NNTP-Posting-Host: rhine.apple.com heller@altoetting-online.de writes > Hello, > > My question to those developers who already test the Rhapsody > pre-release: is it possible to **UPGRADE** from NextStep3.3 or > OpenStep4.2 to Rhapsody?? > > With upgrade I mean: > * is there an Upgrader.app application to take care of the upgrade? > * can I keep all the applications that I have grown fond of under NS/OS? > * can I keep the network, country, date, mail, NFS, and all other > settings? No. There are simply too many differences between NEXTSTEP and Rhapsody to make that feasible. > ..or will I have to do a complete from-scratch new installation? > > On a more basic level: > * can I run NS/OS applications under Rhapsody at all? No. > * can I -NXHost from an OS machine to a Rhapsody machine? Possibly (not officially supported, but it seems to work for me). > * how painful is the upgrade or switch-over from NS to Rhapsody? Depends on how many UNIX-level customizations you've made to your NEXTSTEP environment. I didn't have any problems, but my systems are configured with the default settings, mostly... > And a related question: > a friend of mine told me that the first shipping version of Rhapsody > will be for intel hardware and not for Mac hardware. Is this supposed to > be true? I find this very hard to believe! I'd be really surprised if that happened. The most likely thing is simultaneous releases on Intel and PPC. -- Mark Bessey Apple Computer, Inc. -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<-- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xfer.kren.nm.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.kigam.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!not-for-mail From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Compaq's Armada 4131T Notebook and NEXTSTEP Date: 7 Jan 1998 09:28:01 GMT Organization: ppai News Lines: 19 Message-ID: <68vhr1$ght$1@news.kornet.nm.kr> Reply-To: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.126.214.97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.2 Beta(i) [Photo] NEXTSTEP on the Compaq's Armada 4131T Notebook: http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai/qa/read.cgi?b=default&c=r_p&n=884163831 NEXTSTEP build guide on the Compaq's Armada 4131T Notebook (Written in Korean): http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai/qa/write.cgi?b=default&c=w_f&n=884157001 younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai http://bbs.para.co.kr/~ppai (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A & Info Board written in Korean) (The Web site contains 5,700 articles about NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops Subject: cmsg cancel <177ce$826c.373@news> Control: cancel <177ce$826c.373@news> Date: 07 Jan 1998 13:40:42 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: onhboagmkevin.bitch.smash@ponyfarm.net Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: classy adult site X-Original-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:38:12 GMT X-Original-From: onhboagmkevin.bitch.smash@ponyfarm.net X-CosmoTraq: I?B']IE0#?K&WB^7C3Z="R/@D8J,4TSX46^I&AT+$M)Z2#W^/=X/ORHJ X-Cancel-ID: 5%YP!827/L_C_QQ2U.>+>X2.H#6TQV[_$R],@@07NZNTOM!EY/>>+T-? X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnews.unl.edu!manager From: rdieter@math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 7 Jan 1998 14:36:38 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sting.unl.edu In article <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> mbessey@apple.com (Mark Bessey) writes: > > On a more basic level: > > * can I run NS/OS applications under Rhapsody at all? > > No. > -- > Mark Bessey > Apple Computer, Inc. > -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<-- Whoa. I thought the answer to that was going to be yes. Very disappointing, but I can (kind of) understand that significant architectural changes probably needed to be made that made backward compatibility impossible. At least I hope that the reason is as good (or better) than that. -- Rex A. 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X-Original-Date: 7 Jan 1998 15:12:45 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn94ppp250.pacific.net.sg X-Original-From: Mr@Long.com X-CosmoTraq: .P:[2"L,0W+.RD9[%_%V4AQ.X0Z_F1+[F1.((F=6!*I[:7G+8IH]AW,? X-Cancel-ID: ?GF-B`H=P>S^*3V>WH:GTA3%Z) X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!out2.nntp.cais.net!news2.cais.com!not-for-mail From: "Daniel T. Fahey" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software, Subject: Need Help with Problem Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:40:02 -0800 Organization: DanSources Technical Services, Inc Lines: 27 Message-ID: <34B42E72.7E3D@DanSources.com> Reply-To: DanFahey@DanSources.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nova-aaa-026.vni.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.marketplace:19986 comp.sys.next.misc:27397 comp.sys.next.programmer:27327 comp.sys.next.software:32111 HELLO; We are trying to take an Active X Controls connect to Objective C using OLE2 (or vice versa). I do not think this has never been done before and need someone to help us to get this done in Two weeks. YES two weeks..everyone says minimum 4 weeks. I can have one my technical guy converse with anyone about the details. There are no reference manuals or any documentation to help connect these elements together. Has anyone done this before? Where can we get some technical information or help on this? There is a lot of follow on work in Openstep. But this prototype has to be done first. Can anyone help?! mailto:danfahey@dansources.com Phone 301-217-0425 Gratiously, Dan Fahey -- For more information about DanSources Technical Services Incorporated Feel free to check out our Web Page at http://www.dansources.com // See Jobs #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!innuendo From: innuendo@execpc.com (Jonathan Gapen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 8 Jan 1998 03:05:27 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> Reply-To: jagapen [at] students dot wisc dot edu NNTP-Posting-Host: mac_93.chem.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Rex Dieter wrote: >In article <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> mbessey@apple.com (Mark Bessey) >writes: >> > On a more basic level: >> > * can I run NS/OS applications under Rhapsody at all? >> >> No. >> -- >> Mark Bessey >> Apple Computer, Inc. >> -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<-- > >Whoa. I thought the answer to that was going to be yes. Very >disappointing, but I can (kind of) understand that significant Yes, somewhat disappointing, as the talk is that the Yellow Box is basically the OpenStep APIs. Hmm, perhaps OpenStep binaries can run with emulation libraries, such as the Linux emulation libraries for FreeBSD? -- Jonathan Gapen (just waiting to get ahold of Rhapsody) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 8 Jan 1998 05:15:20 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 39 Message-ID: <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com In-Reply-To: X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00079 On 01/07/98, Jonathan Gapen wrote: >Rex Dieter wrote: >>In article <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> mbessey@apple.com (Mark Bessey) >>writes: >>> > On a more basic level: >>> > * can I run NS/OS applications under Rhapsody at all? >>> >>> No. >>> -- >>> Mark Bessey >>> Apple Computer, Inc. >>> -->I DON'T SPEAK FOR APPLE<-- >> >>Whoa. I thought the answer to that was going to be yes. Very >>disappointing, but I can (kind of) understand that significant > > Yes, somewhat disappointing, as the talk is that the Yellow Box >is basically the OpenStep APIs. Hmm, perhaps OpenStep binaries can >run with emulation libraries, such as the Linux emulation libraries >for FreeBSD? > There are a couple of marketing reasons that this is probably a good choice (even though I'd prefer the OS 4.x libs for compatibility). Otherwise there would be more software for the Intel boxes than the PPC boxes off the mark.. Shouldn't it be possible to statically link with the old libraries though? :-) -- Scott Anguish NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!not-for-mail From: don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 8 Jan 1998 07:54:35 GMT Organization: MiscKit Development Lines: 39 Message-ID: <6920nr$mtk$1@news.xmission.com> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> Reply-To: don@misckit.com NNTP-Posting-Host: brain.misckit.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: > On 01/07/98, Jonathan Gapen wrote: > > Yes, somewhat disappointing, as the talk is that the Yellow Box > >is basically the OpenStep APIs. Hmm, perhaps OpenStep binaries can > >run with emulation libraries, such as the Linux emulation libraries > >for FreeBSD? > > There are a couple of marketing reasons that this is probably > a good choice (even though I'd prefer the OS 4.x libs for > compatibility). > > Otherwise there would be more software for the Intel boxes > than the PPC boxes off the mark.. > > Shouldn't it be possible to statically link with the old > libraries though? :-) Well...you could always try it and see what happens I guess. I question whether you'd be able to do it to an already linked, app, though. If you have source, and a little help, you could build statically linked binaries... (Hint: you'll need Omni's little tool that turns a shlib into a statically linkable library. I have no idea what the price for it is, but it should make the link step possible, at least.) One note: the shlibs aren't the only thing, now that I think about it. There's a lot of gunk in /usr/lib/NextStep (or somthing like that, capitalization may be different) that needs to be present along with the shlibs. That will all need to be installed on the Rhapsody machine, too, and who knows how many other files squirreled away throughout the filesystem. The whole thing suddenly starts looking very non-trivial to do... -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com My home page #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> From: John Kheit Reply-To: jkheit@xtdl.com Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.8b) NNTP-Posting-Host: whiskey.xtdl.com Message-ID: <34b48270.0@206.25.228.5> Date: 8 Jan 98 07:38:24 GMT Lines: 14 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.25.228.5!206.25.228.5!whiskey.xtdl.com sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: > Shouldn't it be possible to statically link with the old > libraries though? :-) In that same light, shouldn't it be further possible to not only link in the old OPENSTEP Intel Libraries, but the older still NEXTSTEP Intel Libraries? -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@xtdl.com Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.xtdl.com/~jkheit Franklin Pierce Law Center You're dangerous because you're honest #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.skynet.be!news.interpac.be!not-for-mail From: format2 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SOS Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:36:23 +0100 Organization: Interpac Belgium SA/NV Lines: 4 Message-ID: <34B49E16.943CEB1C@profor.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.86.138 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) hello boy! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!kithrup.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <080198233140@for-time.com> Date: 9 Jan 1998 09:39:40 GMT Control: cancel <080198233140@for-time.com> Message-ID: Sender: thanks@for-time.com X-Cancelled-By: sef@kithrup.com Approved: sef@kithrup.com Lines: 1 Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> <6920nr$mtk$1@news.xmission.com> From: John Kheit Reply-To: jkheit@xtdl.com Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.8b) NNTP-Posting-Host: whiskey.xtdl.com Message-ID: <34b4e1a1.0@206.25.228.5> Date: 8 Jan 98 14:24:33 GMT Lines: 20 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.25.228.5!206.25.228.5!whiskey.xtdl.com don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) wrote: > One note: the shlibs aren't the only thing, now that I think > about it. There's a lot of gunk in /usr/lib/NextStep (or somthing > like that, capitalization may be different) that needs to be > present along with the shlibs. That will all need to be installed > on the Rhapsody machine, too, and who knows how many other files > squirreled away throughout the filesystem. The whole thing > suddenly starts looking very non-trivial to do... It would be a nice bone to throw next users, particularly enterprise users, to have a little innocous pkg file on the rhapsody CD that would install all those goodies quietly. Otherwise, so much great software, just is not going to make it over :( -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@xtdl.com Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.xtdl.com/~jkheit Franklin Pierce Law Center You're dangerous because you're honest #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 8 Jan 1998 14:32:31 GMT Organization: none Lines: 40 Message-ID: <692o1v$978$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> <6920nr$mtk$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <6920nr$mtk$1@news.xmission.com> Don Yacktman wrote: > (Hint: you'll need Omni's little tool that turns a shlib into a statically > linkable library. I have no idea what the price for it is, but it should > make the link step possible, at least.) Hrm.... Is this a tool which does something which cannot be done another way? > One note: the shlibs aren't the only thing, now that I think about it. > There's a lot of gunk in /usr/lib/NextStep (or somthing like that, > capitalization may be different) that needs to be present along with the > shlibs. That will all need to be installed on the Rhapsody machine, too, and > who knows how many other files squirreled away throughout the filesystem. > The whole thing suddenly starts looking very non-trivial to do... Well... yes.... but doesn't 'otool -L' tell you what they are? A quick check of 'otool -L' on some OpenStep apps shows a lot of shlibs in /NextLibrary/Frameworks/.... Assuming that there won't be a /NextLibrary/ folder in Rhapsody :-) it should be easy enough to copy them over, right? The problem would be the /usr/shlibs if there are /usr/shlibs in Rhapsody. However, what would keep someone from copying the shlibs from NeXTStep/OpenStep to something like /3.3/shlibs and editing the binaries which use them to change the /usr/ to /3.3/ ? Similar was done between 2.x and 3.x right? My assumption is that the leap to Rhapsody would be too great, but maybe I'm wrong... TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.125.85.9!news.mv.net!newspump.wustl.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!gtf From: gtf[@]cirp.org (Geoffrey T. Falk) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 8 Jan 1998 20:21:37 GMT Organization: For circumcision information, http://www.cirp.org/CIRP/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <693cgh$96k9@biko.cc.rochester.edu> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> <6920nr$mtk$1@news.xmission.com> <692o1v$978$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: theorem.math.rochester.edu X-No-Archive: yes Originator: gtf@theorem In article <692o1v$978$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com>, Timothy J. Luoma <> wrote: > >[...] Assuming that there won't be a /NextLibrary/ >folder in Rhapsody :-) [...] There is, at least in the prerelease.. g. -- Schroedinger's Cat had 4 1/2 lives. (Q: What was its half-life?!) ADDRESS ALTERED TO DEFLECT SPAM. UNSOLICITED E-MAIL ADS BILLED $500 Geoffrey T. Falk http://www.cirp.org/~gtf/ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Neuss Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 9 Jan 1998 11:47:42 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Darmstadt Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6952ou$74k$1@sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> <34b48270.0@206.25.228.5> <6931cj$e9v$1@sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de> <693ei7$64q$1@news.digifix.com> Reply-To: neuss.nos-pam@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nos-pam NNTP-Posting-Host: next1.isa.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: >On 01/08/98, Christian Neuss wrote: >> ... in other words, do we get to keep Diagram? ;-P >> > > I think this is one of the reasons that we'll not get this. >People hanging onto older apps like this will hurt the creation of new >apps. Oh, absolutely. That's a very good point. It would also hurt the PPC platform - while it is technically superior to Intel, the support for legacy apps would make Intel a better choice, and hurt PPC sales. It's not that bad actually. There are few legacy apps that I'll miss. The Lighthouse suite was nice to have, but the only application that was really well done was Diagram IMHO. Most of the other cool apps like e.g. Create are being ported to Rhapsody, and I'm sure we'll get free or inexpensive upgrades. > GlyphX sounds really cool from oaai.com GlyphiX looks just *great*. I think we'll see some very interesting developments from oaai. Now if Adobe ports FrameMaker, I'll be a very happy camper. :-) All the best, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle!jkwatson From: jkwatson@merle.acns.nwu.edu (John Watson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Netscape for OpenSTEP Date: 9 Jan 1998 16:02:41 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL Lines: 34 Message-ID: <695hn1$5kf@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <34B5B5E9.2781@alfred.duch.udel.edu> <34B63FC9.1E76DCE9@bah.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Chong Tim (chong_tim@bah.com) wrote: > Andrew Weiss wrote: > > 1. Will the BSD UNIX 4.3 or whatnot Netscape run on OpenSTEP 4.2 Mach > > Intel? > > > no, it need more than that, the BSD port of Mozilla needs X-11 too > > 2. Is there a compiled Netscape for Openstep, or am I stuck with > > OmniWeb? > > > no > > 3. What other browser options are there? > Netsurfer, Spiderwoman, etc... Or the best (fastest), lynx on the cmd shell. IMHO, this issue is what is turning me away from OpenStep. I've been using it for a few months for development in WebObjects, which of course makes having a decent browser very important. OmniWeb just does not do it for me. Even the latest beta is sluggish, buggy and crashes quite frequently, as well not supporting javascript. I've got to be able to test javascript and therefore OmniWeb just won't work (as well as the above mentioned alternative browsers). My interim solution is to use NextX and open up a copy of netscape running on a Solaris box, but this is hardly efficient or convienient. This whole issue has gotten me very close to taking OpenStep off my machine and moving over to NT, even though I think OpenStep is clearly superior in almost every way. Just my 2 cents... John #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!news.BLaCKSMITH.com!not-for-mail From: Chuck Swiger Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Netscape for OpenSTEP Date: 9 Jan 1998 16:20:45 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <695iot$3m5$4@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <34B5B5E9.2781@alfred.duch.udel.edu> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.8.169 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Andrew Weiss wrote: > 1. Will the BSD UNIX 4.3 or whatnot Netscape run on OpenSTEP 4.2 Mach > Intel? The Unix versions of Netscape are system-specific due to things like shared libraries. There is no such thing as a generic BSD 4.3 UNIX Netscape. > 2. Is there a compiled Netscape for Openstep, or am I stuck with > OmniWeb? There is no compiled Netscape for OpenStep for Mach. > 3. What other browser options are there? TBL's original WorldWideWeb.app, Spiderwoman, Netsurfer, lynx, WWW mode in emacs. If you install X-windows locally, you can remotely display Netscape from another machine. If you install Insignia's NTrigue software, you can remotely display NetScape or IE from an NT box. -Chuck Charles Swiger | cswiger@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+------------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!news.BLaCKSMITH.com!not-for-mail From: Chuck Swiger Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Netscape for OpenSTEP Date: 9 Jan 1998 16:26:31 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <695j3n$3m5$5@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <34B5B5E9.2781@alfred.duch.udel.edu> <34B63FC9.1E76DCE9@bah.com> <695hn1$5kf@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.8.169 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) jkwatson@merle.acns.nwu.edu (John Watson) wrote: [ ... ] > IMHO, this issue is what is turning me away from OpenStep. I've been using > it for a few months for development in WebObjects, which of course makes > having a decent browser very important. Okay-- that's perfectly sensible. > OmniWeb just does not do it for me. Even the latest beta is sluggish, > buggy and crashes quite frequently, as well not supporting javascript. Read what you just wrote. Do you not understand what the term "beta" means? > I've got to be able to test javascript and therefore OmniWeb just won't > work (as well as the above mentioned alternative browsers). My interim > solution is to use NextX and open up a copy of netscape running on a > Solaris box, but this is hardly efficient or convienient. Running a remote Netscape is what I do when I really need NS under OpenStep. Doing so is acceptably convenient and performs fine if you've got rsh enabled on the Sun box and your network has adequate bandwidth. > This whole issue has gotten me very close to taking OpenStep off my > machine and moving over to NT, even though I think OpenStep > is clearly superior in almost every way. And that's the other alternative-- you might find doing WebObjects development over NT is better for you.... -Chuck Charles Swiger | cswiger@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+------------------------+-------------------- I know you're an optimist if you think I'm a pessimist. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <090198130140@nice-day.com> Control: cancel <090198130140@nice-day.com> Date: 09 Jan 1998 18:40:48 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: have_a@nice-day.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!sws1.ctd.ornl.gov!newsfeed.pnl.gov!nice-day.com X-Original-Subject: ---- Mulderr's WORLD OF WAVS ------ X-Original-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:01:40 -0700 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.172.102.86 X-Original-From: have_a@nice-day.com X-CosmoTraq: V^SCV%_8K?HV,J]1AFFHU;@\P.GTO?+?WH&&;/>HZ_<3$%4A3LT3J^J-DGC#M/? 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Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle!jkwatson From: jkwatson@merle.acns.nwu.edu (John Watson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Netscape for OpenSTEP Date: 9 Jan 1998 17:59:16 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL Lines: 50 Message-ID: <695ohk$8vp@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <34B5B5E9.2781@alfred.duch.udel.edu> <34B63FC9.1E76DCE9@bah.com> <695hn1$5kf@news.acns.nwu.edu> <695j3n$3m5$5@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Chuck Swiger (cswiger@blacksmith.com) wrote: > jkwatson@merle.acns.nwu.edu (John Watson) wrote: > [ ... ] > > IMHO, this issue is what is turning me away from OpenStep. I've been using > > it for a few months for development in WebObjects, which of course makes > > having a decent browser very important. > Okay-- that's perfectly sensible. > > OmniWeb just does not do it for me. Even the latest beta is sluggish, > > buggy and crashes quite frequently, as well not supporting javascript. > Read what you just wrote. > Do you not understand what the term "beta" means? Yeah, I know it's a beta. But I want functionality now! :) The beta is a lot better than the previous versions of OmniWeb, though, which is why I'm using it. Isn't there a new beta due out sometime soon? I haven't seen any news on Omni's web site. > > I've got to be able to test javascript and therefore OmniWeb just won't > > work (as well as the above mentioned alternative browsers). My interim > > solution is to use NextX and open up a copy of netscape running on a > > Solaris box, but this is hardly efficient or convienient. > Running a remote Netscape is what I do when I really need NS under OpenStep. > Doing so is acceptably convenient and performs fine if you've got rsh enabled > on the Sun box and your network has adequate bandwidth. I think some of my troubles would clear up if I could convince my manager I need another 32 megs on my machine. Running OpenStep with only 32 is not the greatest. This worries me somewhat about Rhapsody...are we going to need a ton of memory for it to work well? (Not that memory is expensive, I guess). > > This whole issue has gotten me very close to taking OpenStep off my > > machine and moving over to NT, even though I think OpenStep > > is clearly superior in almost every way. > And that's the other alternative-- you might find doing WebObjects > development over NT is better for you.... You don't happen to know whether I could install WebObjects in Win95, do you? Not to deploy, of course...just to develop? Then I wouldn't even have to shell out the money for NT (this is for my home computer). I wanted so much to use OpenStep for my work, but this browser thing is getting me down. Thanks for the intelligent comments...there are so few these days on the net. John #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Netscape for OpenSTEP Date: 9 Jan 1998 20:20:21 GMT Organization: none Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6960q5$ovm$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <34B5B5E9.2781@alfred.duch.udel.edu> <34B63FC9.1E76DCE9@bah.com> <695hn1$5kf@news.acns.nwu.edu> <695j3n$3m5$5@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> <695ohk$8vp@news.acns.nwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <695ohk$8vp@news.acns.nwu.edu> John Watson wrote: > Chuck Swiger (cswiger@blacksmith.com) wrote: > > jkwatson@merle.acns.nwu.edu (John Watson) wrote: > > > OmniWeb just does not do it for me. Even the latest beta is sluggish, > > > buggy and crashes quite frequently, as well not supporting javascript. > > > Read what you just wrote. > > Do you not understand what the term "beta" means? > > Yeah, I know it's a beta. But I want functionality now! :) It will be at least a year before OmniGroup can make any money off this. Feel free to throw some money at them along with your requests ;-) > The beta is a lot better than the previous versions of OmniWeb, though, > which is why I'm using it. If it's better AND beta WHAT are you complaining about? > Isn't there a new beta due out sometime soon? I haven't seen any news > on Omni's web site. The current one expires on the 15th. I am sure they will release a new one in time.... They probably are spending their free time (ie aren't making any money :-) working on it, rather than updating their web pages with status reports TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!mr.net!coop.net!news.indra.com!not-for-mail From: leif@pattern.com (Leif Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Apple eMate + NeXTstation? Date: 9 Jan 1998 23:18:17 GMT Organization: Indra's Net, Inc. -- Public Access Internet. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <696b7p$kv6$1@news.indra.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic048.indra.com X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-00000-01 Does anyone have pointers on how to connect an eMate to a NeXTstation running NS 3.2? Objective isto transfer ascii files between eMate and NeXT. Please respond to leif@pattern.com I will summarize. Thanks! -- -- Leif Smith Pattern Research, Denver, Colorado leif@pattern.com | http://www.pattern.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: "M. Ahsan Farooqi" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help Proxy Server for NeXT Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:36:47 -0500 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34B708EE.97A9F037@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc1003858-a.avnl1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) I have and NT and a Next trubo color. I am using a cable modem toaccess internet from my NT box. I have a small network at home and would like to get to the internet through the NeXt machine. Is there a Proxy Client that will let me do that. or Can I put the NeXt on the internet but then is there a proxy server fot OpenStep 4.2 mach that will let my Nt box access the internet. Ahan Farooqi #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> <6920nr$mtk$1@news.xmission.com> <692o1v$978$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> From: John Kheit Reply-To: jkheit@xtdl.com Organization: monoChrome, Inc., NJ, USA X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.8b) NNTP-Posting-Host: whiskey.xtdl.com Message-ID: <34b70487.0@206.25.228.5> Date: 10 Jan 98 05:17:59 GMT Lines: 23 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.25.228.5!206.25.228.5!whiskey.xtdl.com (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > A quick check of 'otool -L' on some OpenStep apps shows a lot of > shlibs in /NextLibrary/Frameworks/.... Assuming that there won't > be a /NextLibrary/ folder in Rhapsody :-) it should be easy enough > to copy them over, right? The problem would be the /usr/shlibs > if there are /usr/shlibs in Rhapsody. > However, what would keep someone from copying the shlibs from > NeXTStep/OpenStep to something like /3.3/shlibs and editing the > binaries which use them to change the /usr/ to /3.3/ ? Similar > was done between 2.x and 3.x right? Why do that? I would hope that apple changes the /usr/shlibsOldName to /user/shlibsNewAppleName. IF that's true, then one might be able to just dump the old shlibs into its old directory path in the new OS? -- Thanks, be well, take care, later, John Kheit; Self expressed... __________________________________________________________________ monoChrome, Inc. ASCII, MIME, PGP, SUN, & NeXTmail OK NeXT/OPENSTEP Developer mailto:jkheit@xtdl.com Telepathy, It's coming... http://www.xtdl.com/~jkheit Franklin Pierce Law Center You're dangerous because you're honest #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: help Proxy Server for NeXT Date: 10 Jan 1998 07:41:04 GMT Organization: none Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6978mg$qra$7@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <34B708EE.97A9F037@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: afarooqi@home.com In <34B708EE.97A9F037@home.com> "M. Ahsan Farooqi" wrote: > Can I put the NeXt on the internet but then is there a proxy server fot > OpenStep 4.2 mach that will let my Nt box access the internet. Another New Jerseyite @Home / NeXTStep user! Hello! I thought I was the only one ;-) It depends on what you want to do. If all you want to do is get WWW access from the NT through the NeXT to the Internet, yes that can be done relatively easily with a proxy daemon (I am doing this for WWW access myself). Getting full Internet access through the NeXT would be more difficult.... almost impossible since there is no known way to do IPmasquerading on NeXTStep. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news.idt.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 10 Jan 1998 07:44:55 GMT Organization: none Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6978tn$qra$8@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> <6920nr$mtk$1@news.xmission.com> <692o1v$978$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <34b70487.0@206.25.228.5> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: jkheit@xtdl.com In <34b70487.0@206.25.228.5> John Kheit wrote: > Why do that? I would hope that apple changes the /usr/shlibsOldName > to /user/shlibsNewAppleName. IF that's true, then one might be > able to just dump the old shlibs into its old directory path in > the new OS? Well, that's doubtful, to me, because I think it would break a lot of things that might compile out of the box otherwise. But I don't really know what I am talking about and we are speculating anyway. The point I was trying to make was that if you edit the binary itself, you have to make sure that the new path is the same number of characters as the old path, so rather than /usr/ you could use /3.3/ since that is the same number of characters, and then you would not have the rename the actual shlib, which might be more dicey. Again, not sure and just guespeculating. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.camelot.de!heller!heller From: heller@altoetting-online.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:13:12 GMT Organization: Barb & Helmut Heller Lines: 34 Sender: heller@heller.altoetting-online.de (Helmut Heller) Message-ID: Reply-To: heller@altoetting-online.de NNTP-Posting-Host: heller.altoetting-online.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I am curently running NS3.3 on Intel hardware and I am very happy with it (I have been using NS since version 0.8 or so). My company wants to switch to Rhapsody as soon as it becomes available. My question to those developers who already test the Rhapsody pre-release: is it possible to **UPGRADE** from NextStep3.3 or OpenStep4.2 to Rhapsody?? With upgrade I mean: * is there an Upgrader.app application to take care of the upgrade? * can I keep all the applications that I have grown fond of under NS/OS? * can I keep the network, country, date, mail, NFS, and all other settings? ..or will I have to do a complete from-scratch new installation? On a more basic level: * can I run NS/OS applications under Rhapsody at all? * can I -NXHost from an OS machine to a Rhapsody machine? * how painful is the upgrade or switch-over from NS to Rhapsody? And a related question: a friend of mine told me that the first shipping version of Rhapsody will be for intel hardware and not for Mac hardware. Is this supposed to be true? I find this very hard to believe! Thanks a lot in advance! Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting-online.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.netreach.net!news1.digex.net!digex!phcs!papoose.quick.com!papoose.quick.com!not-for-mail From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 10 Jan 1998 09:37:03 -0500 Organization: Quick and Associates Lines: 16 Message-ID: <69812f$gde@papoose.quick.com> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> <6920nr$mtk$1@news.xmission.com> <34b4e1a1.0@206.25.228.5> NNTP-Posting-Host: papoose.quick.com In article <34b4e1a1.0@206.25.228.5>, John Kheit wrote: >It would be a nice bone to throw next users, particularly enterprise >users, to have a little innocous pkg file on the rhapsody CD that >would install all those goodies quietly. Otherwise, so much great >software, just is not going to make it over :( I'll certainly miss Quantrix native. I plan on keeping a headless Intel box around to run Openstep ao that I can NXHost things like that until someone comes out with a decent replacement. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Quick & Associates NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Apple, we know the song's not written yet, ) | but could you at least hum a few more bars? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newstand.syr.edu!barnyard.syr.edu!tmc From: tmc@barnyard.syr.edu (Terry R. McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Reading NeXT floppies under Linux Date: 10 Jan 1998 16:00:39 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6985v7$lsk@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: barnyard.syr.edu Supposedly the latest Linux kernels support the ufs filesystem, but I have been unable to mount floppies formatted on NeXTstep 3.2 on my Linux box. Has anybody had any success with this? (Mount complains about a bad filesystem magic number.) Could it be that NeXT floppies have extra stuff in the first cylinder besides the bootblock ? If that's the case, does anybody know the offset from the beginning of the disk in 1024K blocks to the beginning of the superblock? If I knew this I could dd the disk to file and get around the problem using Linux's loop device. -- ************************************************************************ Terry R. McConnell Mathematics/304B Carnegie/Syracuse, N.Y. 13244-1150 trmcconn@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~tmc ************************************************************************ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.oric,comp.sys.palmtops Subject: cmsg cancel <6986l7$341$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Control: cancel <6986l7$341$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Date: 10 Jan 1998 16:46:33 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: gfibwbpd@msn.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.84.255.3!news.hkt.net!news.netvigator.com!usenet X-Original-Subject: Looking for a S/N? X-Original-Date: 10 Jan 1998 16:12:23 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: hhtak007040.netvigator.com X-Original-From: gfibwbpd@msn.com X-CosmoTraq: QSJE2F5(K9TJ?1-O(&9+6.X,V.`:B!549T_/@;%"-I6S@81 X-Cancel-ID: A,-Z0ME(+X&#V^Z\X+3SJG'S!JH)>%^QLPL>[!#D(]JA(S;:.:B/ X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.netreach.net!news1.digex.net!digex!phcs!papoose.quick.com!papoose.quick.com!not-for-mail From: jq@papoose.quick.com (James E. Quick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody DR1 install problems!!! Date: 10 Jan 1998 10:46:29 -0500 Organization: Quick and Associates Lines: 19 Message-ID: <69854l$hri@papoose.quick.com> References: <34B4DAD5.887D822C@jumpgate.iitap.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: papoose.quick.com In article <34B4DAD5.887D822C@jumpgate.iitap.iastate.edu>, Matt Borgstrand wrote: >The Apple install manual says to type "config=default" at the boot: prompt to >load general drivers so I can at least see the config panel to change stuff. >But instead I get the error "Config can't find /private/Drivers/i386 . . . >default.table". I boot in single user mode and the file is definitely there! >BTW, I've taken out the IDE drive and shut down the BIOS entry so everything >is strictly SCSI now. > >What gives?? Try config=Default It's case sensitive. -- ___ ___ | James E. Quick jq@quick.com / / / | Quick & Associates NeXTMail O.K. \_/ (_\/ | Apple, we know the song's not written yet, ) | but could you at least hum a few more bars? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news1.good.net!news.goodnet.com!news From: brandy@no-junk.futureone.com Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q - OS4.2 & WordPerfect? Date: 6 Jan 1998 16:21:00 GMT Organization: GoodNet Lines: 32 Message-ID: <68tllc$540$1@news.goodnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bova.goodnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keywords: NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, MACH, Stone Design, OmniWeb, WordPerfect, NeXTstation, Premier X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.soft-sys.nextstep:3383 comp.sys.next.advocacy:92257 comp.sys.next.software:32122 comp.sys.next.misc:27421 Q - OS4.2 & WordPerfect? I have often heard how timing is everything. Posting this question an hour before Steve Jobs' keynote speech at the MACWORLD EXPO where surely Rhapsody/Premier(?) will be the rage on everyone's lips, may mean that I shouldn't expect an answer to my question anytime soon or at all. Nevertheless, I better ask while it is on my mind. I am interested in learning if anyone know whether the last version of WordPerfect published in like March 1994 with the ADB support will run under OPENSTEP 4.2 on black hardware? I have a NEXTstation Turbo Color. I find what I hear about new versions of OmniWeb (3.x), Stone's software, and the like to be compelling reasons to upgrade or even try to set-up the dual-boot thingy with NS 3.3. It would also be nice not to have to use the Windows environment to connect to the Internet in order to learn (because of the different shock and cu-seeme and etc. formats) what is going on with Apple (NeXT). However, I have most of my files in WordPerfect and find that even with its limitations, I can do most of what I would like without a problem. I know that WordPerfect isn't about to be able to run on Rhapsody/Premier I prefer to receive E-mail directly. But you can post a reply and send E-mail both as I will be trying to follow what's going on in S.F. Bay too this week as I work. Sincerely, Brandy Please Don't Spam Me! If you wish to send E-mail directly, remove the "no junk" portion from my E-mail address. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.60.22.3!xmission!not-for-mail From: don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Netscape for OpenSTEP Date: 11 Jan 1998 01:19:23 GMT Organization: MiscKit Development Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6996mr$2qh$1@news.xmission.com> References: <34B5B5E9.2781@alfred.duch.udel.edu> <34B63FC9.1E76DCE9@bah.com> <695hn1$5kf@news.acns.nwu.edu> <695j3n$3m5$5@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> <695ohk$8vp@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: don@misckit.com NNTP-Posting-Host: brain.misckit.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) jkwatson@merle.acns.nwu.edu (John Watson) wrote: > I think some of my troubles would clear up if I could convince my > manager I need another 32 megs on my machine. Running OpenStep with > only 32 is not the greatest. This worries me somewhat about Rhapsody...are > we going to need a ton of memory for it to work well? (Not that memory is > expensive, I guess). I would expect memory requirements to DROP, actually. Why? Because if you are using OPENSTEP, you are also running many 3.x applications, too. That means that memory has the entire 3.3 shlibs loaded as well as the OPENSTEP shared frameworks. Two entirely seperate sets of libraries in memory at once. Since Rhapsody won't have backwards compatability, there will only be one set of libraries. That suggests that the Rhapsody memory footprint should be 1/3 or less the size of OPENSTEP's. Remember that there's also Mach in there, so I'm saying that the NEXTSTEP libs, OPENSTEP libs, and Mach footprints are approximately equal. I know that they aren't really, but I think it gives a conservative estimate that is "close enough". The fact remains that if you cut one of the three parts out, the memory usage drops dramatically. So even if the OPENSTEP frameworks grow, the system as a whole shirnks because all the NEXTSTEP libs are gone. Interesting indeed are the prices we are willing to pay to get backwards compatability, when you sit down and analyze them all... > You don't happen to know whether I could install WebObjects in Win95, > do you? Not to deploy, of course...just to develop? Then I wouldn't > even have to shell out the money for NT (this is for my home computer). Supposedly you can, but I haven't tried it myself. I have a new NT machine, so my Win95 machine is now for playing games and not much else. Actually, it spends most of its time booted into OPENSTEP. :-) -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com My home page #################################################################### From: scamp@ns1.info2000.net (Richard Warner) Subject: Need info on using NXImage....is this right? Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: <34b7edd5.0@donald.info2000.net> Date: 10 Jan 98 21:53:25 GMT Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.144.228.14 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.45.255.100!coop.net!coopnews.coop.net!donald.info2000.net!scamp Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.programmer:27337 comp.sys.next.misc:27423 Hi - I need to do some drawing at the pixel level and previously have used pswraps to draw rectangles of area 1. It works but is slowwww. So now I have a View object and want to somehow stuff an NXBitMapImageRep into it. Think I have the process worked out, but thought would be helpful to others to post it to net and get critiqued. Here goes: 1) Make a two-dimensional array of unsigned chars to hold your data. 2) Create an NXBitMapImageRep with the pointers to the data array as one of the (many) args. 3) Create an NXImage and register the NXBitMapImageRep with it. 4) Create a cell and initialize it with the NXImage 5) Whenever you want to draw the NXImage to the view, lock focus on the view, send the cell a drawself:toView message, then unlock focus. 6) Modify your data in the data array at will. I think this approach will work but there may be a better way, and some questions are left. For example, it would be nice if one didn't have to use the Cell object at all. Just stick the NXImage directly into the View and avoid this intermediate step. How would one do that?? Also, the NXImage has a composite:toPoint and dissolve:toPoint methods which I would really like to use, and don't see how to use them if NXImage is inside a cell (you would use the cell's drawself:toView method then, and I'd really like to use the dissolve functionality). See what I mean? It would be better for my use if the Cell object was not involved at all. But I don't see a way to register an NXImage with a view, or a composite:toPoint:inView type of method. How do you associate the NXImage with the View? Lessee, then there are questions related to the data itself. For instance, if you use the RGB model how do you determine the appropriate size for each color component? For example, all my graphics calculations are done as doubles. So I have RGB values that are doubles. If I allocate sizeof(double) bytes for each color component of each pixel, and populate my data array that way--but my video adapter only supports RGB let's say two bytes deep--will the NXImage automatically discard the additional bytes? Automatically cast the data to the right size? Or do I have to dynamically find out the depth of the given video adapter before I create my data array and cast the data to the appropriate size? It would be great if I could just make my array of doubles and let NXImage render it appropriately to the video adapter. So that's it in a nutshell. I figure NXBitMapImageReps will give me a lot more speed and better resolution on platforms like mine that don't have good driver support. I'm currently using a generic vga driver, and the postscript output to it is low res *monochrome*. Figure by working at bitmap level will at least get hi res *monochrome*. Thanks in advance for the info. Post here or send directly to my email at: rwarner@prv.com #################################################################### Date: 10 Jan 98 17:28:27 -0500 Subject: Re: help Proxy Server for NeXT From: "Mitchell Allen" X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc X-News-Servers: news3.ibm.net X-Newsgroups-TO: nntp://news3.ibm.net/comp.sys.next.misc References: <6978mg$qra$7@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.214.209 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 23 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news3.ibm.net!129.37.214.209 >It depends on what you want to do. If all you want to do is get WWW access >from the NT through the NeXT to the Internet, yes that can be done relatively >easily with a proxy daemon (I am doing this for WWW access myself). Where do you get this daemon? I'm looking for something like this. > >Getting full Internet access through the NeXT would be more difficult.... >almost impossible since there is no known way to do IPmasquerading on >NeXTStep. Maybe you can't get full access, but you can get the big three: 1) proxy, as you pointed out, 2) you can POP mail to your NeXT and sort it between users so you can answer e-mail without really being on line, 3) and you can set up a news server to read your groups. Playing Diablo across the net, on the other hand, might be difficult. Mitch #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!not-for-mail From: poolos.1@osu.edu(Nick Poolos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Reading NeXT floppies under Linux Date: 10 Jan 1998 22:39:13 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <698tah$33k$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <6985v7$lsk@newstand.syr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: s-98-58.resnet.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) tmc@barnyard.syr.edu (Terry R. McConnell) wrote: This may be obvious but make sure you aren't trying to read a 2.88 NeXT floppy in a 1.44 PC drive. I have not tried this my self. The kernel help file makes it sound as if it should just work. Are you sure both drives are with in tolerable alignments? I have seen several NeXT drives that have slipped way out of wack. To test this try formatting a 1.44 floppy on the NeXT as MSDOS and read that with the other machine. If that works your looking at a software problem. I have to claim basic ignorance as to inner workings of UFS. I just have my NeXT and Linux box sharing several dirs via NFS. I may give this a try as my free time allows. Classes don't leave much free time though. -- Nick Poolos poolos.1@osu.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ais.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!hay.news.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.lava.net!usenet From: arti@lava.DOTnet (Art Isbell - remove "DOT") Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: help Proxy Server for NeXT Date: 10 Jan 1998 23:07:06 GMT Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <698uuq$aal@mochi.lava.net> References: <34B708EE.97A9F037@home.com> <6978mg$qra$7@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uhiuhi013.lava.net X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > In <34B708EE.97A9F037@home.com> "M. Ahsan Farooqi" wrote: > > Can I put the NeXt on the internet but then is there a proxy server fot > > OpenStep 4.2 mach that will let my Nt box access the internet. > > Getting full Internet access through the NeXT would be more difficult.... > almost impossible since there is no known way to do IPmasquerading on > NeXTStep. Greg Howland (gbh@middlemarch.net), a long-time NeXTStepper, has recently offered a PC-based router for what seems to be a very reasonable price for a turnkey router. It runs IPRoute software that does network address translation that should allow any local host to access Internet hosts without the need to run local proxies. This approach seems attractive for those with multiple networked local hosts that need to access Internet hosts. For serial line PPP Internet access, the fast serial ports on the router PC would make it superior to using a NeXT machine for Internet access. However, it appears that the current version of IPRoute can't get a dynamic IP address via DHCP which is what some cable modems use. Anyone know whether any other routing software exists that can deal with DHCP dynamic IP addresses? -- Art Isbell NeXT/MIME Mail: arti@lavaDOTnet Trego Systems (for whom I don't speak) Voice/Fax: +1 808 394 0511 OPENSTEP/NT Voice Mail: +1 808 394 0495 managed care solutions US Mail: Honolulu, HI 96825-2638 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: help Proxy Server for NeXT Date: 11 Jan 1998 04:47:35 GMT Organization: none Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <699it7$qra$14@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <34B708EE.97A9F037@home.com> <6978mg$qra$7@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <698uuq$aal@mochi.lava.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <698uuq$aal@mochi.lava.net> Art Isbell - remove "DOT" wrote: > However, it appears that the current version of IPRoute can't get a > dynamic IP address via DHCP which is what some cable modems use. Anyone know > whether any other routing software exists that can deal with DHCP dynamic IP > addresses? Unfortunately the only solution I know of is to set up a 486 with Linux or FreeBSD. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <21230883890024@digifix.com> Date: 11 Jan 1998 04:59:14 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 330 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <364884494823@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:92282 comp.sys.next.announce:4532 comp.sys.next.hardware:31950 comp.sys.next.software:32124 comp.sys.next.misc:27428 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29403 comp.sys.next.bugs:4672 comp.sys.next.programmer:27338 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!saratoga!notarus From: notarus@saratoga.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Notarus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need copy of rhapsody/intel boot disk Date: 7 Jan 98 15:56:16 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 14 Message-ID: Reply-To: notarus@uiuc.edu (Mark Notarus) NNTP-Posting-Host: saratoga.cso.uiuc.edu X-no-archive: Yes Sigh. I need to reinstall my copy of Rhapsody for intel, DR1, and can't because my "install" floppy is bad. Doh. Can anyone provide me with a disk image of that disk? 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For more info email your name address and telephone # to: Chkproces2@Compuserve.com [OR CALL] Main Office 1-888-786-4759 ----------------------------------------------------------------- * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW ----------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1998 all rights reserved Bryant's Financial Svc, Inc. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!fu-berlin.de!news.tu-darmstadt.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Neuss Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 8 Jan 1998 17:11:47 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Darmstadt Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6931cj$e9v$1@sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> <34b48270.0@206.25.228.5> Reply-To: neuss.nos-pam@informatik.th-darmstadt.de.nos-pam NNTP-Posting-Host: next1.isa.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) John Kheit wrote: >sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) wrote: >> Shouldn't it be possible to statically link with the old >> libraries though? :-) > >In that same light, shouldn't it be further possible to not only >link in the old OPENSTEP Intel Libraries, but the older still >NEXTSTEP Intel Libraries? ... in other words, do we get to keep Diagram? ;-P at least, for 3.3, static versions of the libraries *exist*. Regards, Chris -- // Christian Neuss "static typing? how quaint.." // http://www.nexttoyou.de/~neuss/ // fax: (+49) 6151 16 5472 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!not-for-mail From: Matt Borgstrand Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ATI graphics config problems Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:32:12 +0000 Organization: IITAP, Iowa State University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <34B51BAC.E7CBBF71@jumpgate.iitap.iastate.edu> Reply-To: gomezjr@iastate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: zakros.iitap.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Anyone tried to configure the display driver for a standard ATI Mach 64 CT display? I'm setting up a Zenith P166 with ATI on-board, no special cards. NextStep detects the chip properly. Problem: No matter what screen size or screen depth I choose, I get BLACK and WHITE (1-bit). I figured there were changes I needed to make to the MemRange or I/O settings, so I booted back into Windows and copied down those settings. Went back and set them in NS. No conflicts. So far so good . . . But I STILL get BW(?) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Matt Borgstrand Systems Support International Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics (IITAP) Iowa State University 123 Office & Lab Bldg. Ames, Iowa 50011 Office: (515) 294-8674 Main: (515) 294-3555 Fax: (515) 294-9933 ------------------------------------------------------------------ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.114!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!wiscnews.wiscnet.net!news.doit.wisc.edu!not-for-mail From: Jack Morrison Greene Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Free version of Web Objects Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:21:35 -0800 Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Lines: 12 Message-ID: <34B99A4F.58479239@students.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mem6004.library.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win16; I) I'm new to NeXTSTEP, but I became interested in the platform last year when the NeXT was bought by Apple. I have a Color Turbo that should be arriving at my house any day now, so I've spent the last few days downloading software for my new machine. One of the programs that looked pretty cool was the free version of Web Objects, Web Wscript i believe it was called. From what I read, this a pretty cool aplication for anyone who wants to design web pages with dynamic content. Does anyone know where I could find a copy? I haven't had to much luck so far. By the by, my machine is supposed to come loaded with NeXTSTEP 3.3. What is the most current version of NeXT/OpenSTEP the black color turbo? What do you recommend? Thanks for your time and take care. Jack. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc Subject: cmsg cancel <69d5ui$8sm$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Control: cancel <69d5ui$8sm$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Date: 12 Jan 1998 13:35:28 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: aybnqtjp@msn.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.84.255.3!news.hkt.net!news.netvigator.com!usenet X-Original-Subject: Looking for a S/N? X-Original-Date: 12 Jan 1998 13:30:58 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: hhtak007013.netvigator.com X-Original-From: aybnqtjp@msn.com X-CosmoTraq: +59;WE,>/2B$,K']U;OGB_QIM1$9!#>V(3#M$Q Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Netscape for OpenSTEP Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:18:34 +0000 Organization: Booz Allen & Hamilton, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <34B63FC9.1E76DCE9@bah.com> References: <34B5B5E9.2781@alfred.duch.udel.edu> Reply-To: chongt@bah.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sing-200-182.apj.bah.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sf1.usaw.bah.com 884330313 14698 (None) 128.229.200.182 X-Complaints-To: usenet@sf1.usaw.bah.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) To: Andrew Weiss Andrew Weiss wrote: > 1. Will the BSD UNIX 4.3 or whatnot Netscape run on OpenSTEP 4.2 Mach > Intel? > no, it need more than that, the BSD port of Mozilla needs X-11 too > 2. Is there a compiled Netscape for Openstep, or am I stuck with > OmniWeb? > no > 3. What other browser options are there? Netsurfer, Spiderwoman, etc... Or the best (fastest), lynx on the cmd shell. TC #################################################################### From: Chkproces2 <110644.661@CompuServe.COM> Subject: *Check-By-Fax,Svc..Guaranteed Funds Organization: Bryant's Financial Services, Inc. Message-ID: <#ojzx$2H9GA.141@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.books.technical Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:37:07 -0500 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!fastnet!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed.sover.net!arl-news-svc-7.compuserve.com!news-nih2naab.compuserve.com Lines: 24 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.publish.electronic.misc:2831 comp.publish.prepress:31391 comp.sys.next.marketplace:20040 comp.sys.next.misc:27435 misc.books.technical:13034 *Guaranteed Funds* Accept Electronic Checks-By-Phone Fax And Over The Internet !! Attention All Business Owner: Increase your business cash flow to over $4,500 a month by accepting Guaranteed electronic check over the phone, fax, or by e-mail as payment for your products and services, just like credit cards. For more info email your name address and telephone # to: Chkproces2@Compuserve.com [OR CALL] Main Office 1-888-786-4759 ----------------------------------------------------------------- * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL ----------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1998 all rights Bryant's Financial Svc, Inc. #################################################################### From: 888-edwin.tam@connection.com.hk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Read Japanese on OpenSTEP/E Date: 13 Jan 1998 07:37:38 GMT Organization: AT&T EasyLink Services Asia-Pacific Lines: 22 Message-ID: <69f5k2$pm2$1@m5.att.net.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.77.215.130 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.84.255.3!news.hkt.net!news2.hkt.net!newsgate.cuhk.edu.hk!news.att.net.hk!not-for-mail Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:92404 comp.sys.next.misc:27436 Hi, Does anyone know if there exists any package available for reading Japanese on English version of OpenSTEP 4 ? I want to browse the Japanese web sites but hate to reboot to the Win95J partition everytime. Many thanks, -- Edwin Email....888-edwintam@connection.com.hk Note: Please Remove everything up to and including "888-" from the stated email address when reply. Thank you. --- "Your Christ is a Jew, your car Japanese, your pizza Italian, your democracy Greek, your coffee Brazilian, your holiday Turkish, your numbers Arabic, your letters Latin. And your neighbor is a foreigner? (a German poster) #################################################################### From: Chkproces2 <110644.661@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Check-By-Fax,Svc..Guaranteed Funds Organization: Bryant's Financial Services, Inc. Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.sources.d,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:12:09 -0500 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.ecrc.net!arl-news-svc-7.compuserve.com!news-nih2naab.compuserve.com Lines: 24 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.publish.electronic.misc:2833 comp.publish.prepress:31415 comp.sources.d:2204 comp.sys.next.marketplace:20045 comp.sys.next.misc:27437 *Guaranteed Funds* Accept Electronic Checks-By-Phone Fax And Over The Internet !! Attention All Business Owner: Increase your business cash flow to over $4,500 a month by accepting Guaranteed electronic check over the phone, fax, or by e-mail as payment for your products and services, just like credit cards. For more info email your name address and telephone # to: Chkproces2@Compuserve.com [OR CALL] Main Office 1-888-786-4759 ----------------------------------------------------------------- * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW ----------------------------------------------------------------- Copyrihjt 1998 all rights reserved Bryant's Financial Svc, Inc #################################################################### From: Andrew Weiss Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Netscape for OpenSTEP Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:30:17 -0500 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 28 Message-ID: <34B5B5E9.2781@alfred.duch.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.duch.udel.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX64 6.2 IP28) Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!topnet.de!roka.net!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.udel.edu!not-for-mail 1. Will the BSD UNIX 4.3 or whatnot Netscape run on OpenSTEP 4.2 Mach Intel? 2. Is there a compiled Netscape for Openstep, or am I stuck with OmniWeb? 3. What other browser options are there? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A waist is a terrible thing to mind" -The United We Grow Poundage Fund "Windows OS's...Software that's missing a wheel, and has a denver boot on the others...reBOOT reBOOT reBOOT" -Me ANDREW J. WEISS Odd computer Hack, Sailing Guru, Chem nerd (thanks to Aaron), UNIX dweeb (Thanks to Pam), and taken (thanks to Shirin) -COOL he works with LINUX, NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP IRIX OpenBSD 2.1 Mac68k (IIx/8/1080) Solaris 2.5.1 x86 and SParC and coming soon: Rhapsody cactopus@alfred.duch.udel.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.nsc Subject: cmsg cancel <69hte7$8sd$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Control: cancel <69hte7$8sd$1@imsp009a.netvigator.com> Date: 14 Jan 1998 08:40:45 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: fvgimhwc@fast.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!202.84.255.3!news.hkt.net!news.netvigator.com!usenet X-Original-Subject: Looking for a S/N?--------UPDATED X-Original-Date: 14 Jan 1998 08:36:23 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: hhtak009142.netvigator.com X-Original-From: fvgimhwc@fast.com X-CosmoTraq: (=IQY,54XRB,/#M7;TCL'%T?3<,L5CC$:9Q3R6LU X-Cancel-ID: //$`UUMN$%]VYZ\V#2!O#FPA,`>+GD"/IA??9CU0GSZ<46`WN\YPO]9' X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!198.168.100.2!altitude!fabre.act.qc.ca!ama From: Andre-John Mas Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Cross-Platform API Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:37:36 -0500 Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fabre.act.qc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27439 comp.sys.next.programmer:27362 Hi, Did I hear right when someone told be that Apple would be creating a compatibility API so that I would be able to recompile my Rhapsody app so that it would work on MacOS, Windows (Unix?) ? If I did hear right could someone point me in the direction of some documenation and an estimated release date for when this would be released to programmers. Also, does anyone know where I can find a valid link that shows that design approach to Rhapsody. Apple seems to have reorganised some of it site without updating some of its links. Thanks AJ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: can someone send me a file? Date: 14 Jan 1998 21:11:43 GMT Organization: none Lines: 18 Message-ID: <69j9mf$l3m$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <69j43s$11u0$1@newssvr08-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: ZYKLON86@prodigy.net In <69j43s$11u0$1@newssvr08-int.news.prodigy.com> "Zyklon" wrote: > if anyone has the linker "ld" from NeXT Mach 3.2 / intel (or one what will > run on that) could you please attach it to an email and send it to I've got it, but you'd need the Developer tools to make it work. If you don't have that, 'ld' won't work. TjL ps -- feel free to drop me a private email if you just lost 'ld' and need a replacement. -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Date: 15 Jan 1998 12:28:02 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19980115122800.HAA07414@ladder01.news.aol.com> X-Admin: news@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: willadams@aol.com (WillAdams) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <696b7p$kv6$1@news.indra.com> Subject: Re: Apple eMate + NeXTstation? There's a program available called NewtL which has been ported to NeXTStep 3.2 Here's a URL: http://www.tcel.com/~aehall/newtl/ William William Adams http://members.aol.com/willadams Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!bolzen.in-berlin.de!news.all.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.156.128.20!news1.best.com!news.idiom.com!not-for-mail From: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep to Rhapsody: upgrade possible? Date: 11 Jan 1998 15:33:59 GMT Organization: WARPnet, Incorporated Lines: 30 Message-ID: <69aop7$d65$1@news.idiom.com> References: <68urdt$rrk$1@news.apple.com> <6903tm$jja@crcnis3.unl.edu> <691nd8$dtp$1@news.digifix.com> <6920nr$mtk$1@news.xmission.com> <692o1v$978$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <34b70487.0@206.25.228.5> Reply-To: jcr.remove@this.phrase.idiom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jcr.dial.idiom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: jkheit@xtdl.com In <34b70487.0@206.25.228.5> John Kheit wrote: -> (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: -> > A quick check of 'otool -L' on some OpenStep apps shows a lot of -> > shlibs in /NextLibrary/Frameworks/.... Assuming that there won't -> > be a /NextLibrary/ folder in Rhapsody :-) it should be easy enough -> > to copy them over, right? The problem would be the /usr/shlibs -> > if there are /usr/shlibs in Rhapsody. -> -> > However, what would keep someone from copying the shlibs from -> > NeXTStep/OpenStep to something like /3.3/shlibs and editing the -> > binaries which use them to change the /usr/ to /3.3/ ? Similar -> > was done between 2.x and 3.x right? -> -> Why do that? I would hope that apple changes the /usr/shlibsOldName -> to /user/shlibsNewAppleName. IF that's true, then one might be -> able to just dump the old shlibs into its old directory path in -> the new OS? Don't forget that the 3.x shlibs expect to be running in a BSD 4.3 environment. Making them work under Rhapsody would involve, among other things, updating them to deal with a BSD 4.4 kernal, and making them 64-bit clean. -jcr -- John C. Randolph (408) 358-6732 NeXT mail preferred. Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated. @"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!" #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.61.103.81!eanews1!plnews.pl.unisys.com!trsvr!not-for-mail From: "Luke Renn" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: 15 Jan 1998 15:01:37 GMT Organization: ECDC Unisys Corp. Tredyffrin Lines: 36 Message-ID: <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rennla.tr.unisys.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27443 comp.sys.next.programmer:27374 I've heard this too..I can't really point you in any direction, but the people who made OmniWeb supposedly ported it to NT in one night using Rhapsody. luke -- reply to: ulrenn at mcs dot drexel dot edu "The programmer, like the poet, works only slightly removed from pure thought-stuff. He builds his castles in the air, from air, creating by exertion of the imagination." -- Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. "The Mythical Man Month" Andre-John Mas wrote in article ... > > Hi, > > Did I hear right when someone told be that Apple would be creating > a compatibility API so that I would be able to recompile my Rhapsody > app so that it would work on MacOS, Windows (Unix?) ? > > If I did hear right could someone point me in the direction of some > documenation and an estimated release date for when this would be > released to programmers. > > Also, does anyone know where I can find a valid link that shows that > design approach to Rhapsody. Apple seems to have reorganised some of > it site without updating some of its links. > > Thanks > > AJ > > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.249.10.7!news.mxol.com!not-for-mail From: bbumnospam@codenospamfab.nospamcom (Bill Bumgarner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: 15 Jan 1998 15:45:27 GMT Organization: CodeFab, Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <69laun$4mo$1@news.mxol.com> References: Reply-To: bbumnospam@codenospamfab.nospamcom (Bill Bumgarner) NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.46.70 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: ama@fabre.act.qc.ca Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27444 comp.sys.next.programmer:27375 You heard correctly. It is the yellow box. Otherwise know as OpenStep. I.e.; develop your code for the yellow box on rhapsody and it can be compiled/deployed on WinNT/95 or MacOS. It works. It is available now; it is the programming environment included in Rhapsody. Next question? How many lines of code difference are typical for a large app? None. Really. I have worked with codebases up to 250,000 lines of code that compiled on OpenStep 4.2 for Intel, Motorola or Sparc as well as Windows NT (and in the case of non-AppKit code; Solaris, and HP-UX) without a single line of changes on a per platform basis. Java can't touch Yellow box in terms of cross platform compatibility. b.bum In Andre-John Mas wrote: > > Hi, > > Did I hear right when someone told be that Apple would be creating > a compatibility API so that I would be able to recompile my Rhapsody > app so that it would work on MacOS, Windows (Unix?) ? > > If I did hear right could someone point me in the direction of some > documenation and an estimated release date for when this would be > released to programmers. > > Also, does anyone know where I can find a valid link that shows that > design approach to Rhapsody. Apple seems to have reorganised some of > it site without updating some of its links. > > Thanks > > AJ > > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!bolzen.in-berlin.de!news.all.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: help Proxy Server for NeXT Date: 11 Jan 1998 18:12:52 GMT Organization: none Lines: 23 Message-ID: <69b234$8li$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6978mg$qra$7@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In "Mitchell Allen" wrote: > Where do you get this daemon? I'm looking for something like this. Well, I tried to email it to you, but bounced as a nonvalid address. If this was intentional, it would be a good idea to mention this in your .sig. If it wasn't intentional, you should check with IBM.net. Drop me a line if you're still interested, and what arch(s) you want. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: cmsg cancel <69m55r$bl4@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <69m55r$bl4@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> Date: 15 Jan 1998 23:21:02 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: lueolgvb@hotmail.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news.idt.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news X-Original-Subject: Wanted: ****TICKLISH GUYS**** X-Original-Date: 15 Jan 1998 23:12:59 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: whp-ny1-02.ix.netcom.com X-Original-From: lueolgvb@hotmail.com X-CosmoTraq: 03Z!9N\.YTX,;.1Q#+.]NB-'V@Q%#A)8-4?30!\U7Z$B%E+M!X(.EDDH X-Cancel-ID: E(X9<.K]J7@3/TS*_1`#J\2^2:`:+=FH0V]\^BU`,]OT[GG02ET)V'.? X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <34be9471.0@news1.vsnet.ch> Control: cancel <34be9471.0@news1.vsnet.ch> Date: 15 Jan 1998 23:40:42 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: salo@mos.net Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news1.isdnet.net!imaginet.net!phoenix.siris.fr!ubnnews.unisource.ch!news1.vsnet.ch!195.54.194.111 X-Original-Subject: PLEASE HELP X-Original-Date: 15 Jan 98 22:57:53 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news1.vsnet.ch X-Original-From: salo@mos.net X-Original-X-Trace: ubnnews.unisource.ch 884902112 26333 (None) 153.109.10.12 X-CosmoTraq: `98=^.'`M=:>]7_Y?SR[N,;X<9AL5MK]Z2GJ>T=:5.]'6!/7=+%;TG,Y X-Cancel-ID: (-)F8>#SFL57RY"J-$?C[U`"EI$0(\KUA_O`VF1W$Q^`,L;!0%/Z); NNTP-Posting-Host: natasya.kublai.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 884912693 24583 207.172.25.236 (16 Jan 1998 01:04:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 I've managed to trash my newly purchased old-as-the hills NeXTStation. I can no longer log in as root and would like to know how to boot this puppy in single-user mode to fix my errors. Thanks. -- Brian Cully ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! How to boot into single-user Date: 16 Jan 1998 01:38:43 GMT Organization: none Lines: 16 Message-ID: <69mdn3$6ak$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <69mbnl$o07$2@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <69mbnl$o07$2@winter.news.erols.com> Brian Cully wrote: > I've managed to trash my newly purchased old-as-the hills NeXTStation. > I can no longer log in as root and would like to know how to boot > this puppy in single-user mode to fix my errors. See http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/vfaq/ TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.texas.net!news.texas.net!not-for-mail From: "Clemmensen" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: 16 Jan 1998 13:42:44 GMT Organization: ObjectWare, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bd2284$c7c759c0$2a02cfcf@armaga.texas.net> References: <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> <69n9jh$pd@lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: mnet01-42.austin.texas.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27448 comp.sys.next.programmer:27382 > > I've heard this too..I can't really point you in any direction, but the > > people who made OmniWeb supposedly ported it to NT in one night using > > Rhapsody. > > > > luke > > Where did You hear this? Will it be available for NT when finished? It's my > favourite browser. > I heard it from Ken Case during the Rhapsody BOF at MacWorld. Geert #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.bah.com!not-for-mail From: NOSPAM-chongt@bah.com (Timothy Chong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Zip + Jaz + Black Hardware? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 16 Jan 1998 14:47:58 GMT Organization: Booz Allen & Hamilton, Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <69nruu$a2f$1@news.bah.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sing-201-88.apj.bah.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.bah.com 884962077 10319 (None) 128.229.201.88 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.bah.com X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.hardware:32005 comp.sys.next.misc:27449 comp.sys.next.bugs:4681 NOTE: FOLLOWUPS TO COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Has anyone currently having a Jaz and also a Zip working fine together on a NeXT balck hardware? On my system (NSTC, OS4.2), the Jaz is working (I can format as NeXT, build disk etc) but now I added the Zip, I can never format the Zip using NeXT format (the only format that work now is Mac format)... everytime I try to format the zip, I will see that the system is trying to format the zip using the Jaz disktab info... how can I solve this problem of mine. Hers's some printout from the console and also part of my disktab: Jan 14 23:31:55 Workspace[614]: DeviceInitPanel - Cannot select the default (choosing NeXT instead) Jan 14 23:32:03 Workspace: Unmounted foreign disk at /Zip 100 /usr/etc/disk -i -h tigris -l "Zip 100" -d 100663296 /dev/rsd1a disk name: IOMEGAJAZ-1G disk type: removable_rw_scsi writing disk label Writing /usr/standalone/boot creating new filesystem on /dev/rsd1a /usr/etc/newfs -n -v /dev/rsd1a /etc/mkfs /dev/rsd1a 1032192 72 4 8192 1024 16 10 90 4096 t sd1 (6,0): ERROR op:0x2a sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (6,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x21 SCSI Block in error = 196608; Partition a F.S. sector 98144 write error: 1032191 wtfs: I/O error /usr/etc/newfs /dev/rsd1a failed (status 1) It seem that the System (OS4.2), thinks the Zip is a Jaz disk (really stupid huh?)... anyway, this is among the last lines in my /etc/disktab IOMEGAJAZ-1G:\ :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#3584:nt#4:ns#72:ss#1024:rm#5400:\ :fp#160:bp#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#32:z1#96:ro=a\ :pa#0:sa#1032192:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#16:da#4096:ra#10:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: Thanks, TC -- My return address is FAKE-to mail me, pls remove everything before chongt. Views within this message may not be those of Booz Allen & Hamilton, Inc. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!206.1.179.76!newsrouter.icnc.com!psinntp!news.ml.com!not-for-mail From: Joe Panico Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:00:25 -0500 Organization: Merrill Lynch Lines: 54 Message-ID: <34BF8419.998CDE64@ml.com> References: <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.24.222.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27450 comp.sys.next.programmer:27384 I hate to rain on the parade, but I think this may be a little misleading. First of all, there is *NO* Berkeley TCP style Socket class anywhere in the OpenStep APIs (unlike Java). OmniGroup has written there own OmniNetworking framework, which uses platform specific primitives (BSD sockets on Unix, WinSock on NT), and thus they were NOT completely insulated from the underlying system. They made OmniNetworking framework publically available, but in fact it did not work on NT because of the differences between WinSock and Berkeley sockets. Yes, OpenStep (Yellow box) is generally pretty transaparently cross-platform, but there are a few places where Java does a much better job. Luke Renn wrote: > I've heard this too..I can't really point you in any direction, but the > people who made OmniWeb supposedly ported it to NT in one night using > Rhapsody. > > luke > > -- > reply to: ulrenn at mcs dot drexel dot edu > > "The programmer, like the poet, works only slightly removed from pure > thought-stuff. He builds his castles in the air, from air, creating by > exertion of the imagination." > -- Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. "The Mythical Man Month" > > Andre-John Mas wrote in article > ... > > > > Hi, > > > > Did I hear right when someone told be that Apple would be creating > > a compatibility API so that I would be able to recompile my Rhapsody > > app so that it would work on MacOS, Windows (Unix?) ? > > > > If I did hear right could someone point me in the direction of some > > documenation and an estimated release date for when this would be > > released to programmers. > > > > Also, does anyone know where I can find a valid link that shows that > > design approach to Rhapsody. Apple seems to have reorganised some of > > it site without updating some of its links. > > > > Thanks > > > > AJ > > > > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!winx03!lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de!newsmaster From: rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhoefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Cross-Platform API Date: 16 Jan 1998 09:34:41 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Lines: 23 Message-ID: <69n9jh$pd@lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> Reply-To: rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: wex137.extern.uni-wuerzburg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: Luke.Renn@earth.org Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27451 comp.sys.next.programmer:27387 In <01bd21c6$677cb830$03eb3fc0@tr-rennla> "Luke Renn" wrote: > I've heard this too..I can't really point you in any direction, but the > people who made OmniWeb supposedly ported it to NT in one night using > Rhapsody. > > luke Where did You hear this? Will it be available for NT when finished? It's my favourite browser. This may sound braindead but I kinda like the bookmark system and the idea of a webbrowser that's smaller than a gazillion bytes, doesn't execute strange code from somewhere beyond Alpha Centauri and has this cool process panel (OK, I admit it: I use it just to show off). Of course, with the integration of JavaScript and Java, the second point might change. -- "Um Energie zu sparen, wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (public key avaible at any key server near you ...) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!blackbush.xlink.net!ins.net!amg.de!postmaster From: Martin Mocker Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WTB: NeXT MousePad, Buttons, Posters... Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:22:24 +0100 Organization: FACTUM Projektentwicklung und Management GmbH Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34BF5F10.2E2B13C8@amg.de> Reply-To: mm@amg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: f10.agmmg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (WinNT; I) Hi there, I would like to buy NeXT accessoires like - mouse-pads - buttons - stickers, - posters, - pencils - .... (everything related to NeXT) Is anyone willing to give some of these things away (I pay the shipping). Thanks in advance. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Martin Mocker FACTUM Projektentwicklung und Management GmbH Tel.: +49 231 97 53 54 - 0 Fax: +49 231 97 53 54 - 55 e-mail mm@amg.de #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!bolzen.in-berlin.de!news.all.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!hay.news.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!esgadm.esg.mk.com!news From: "Andrew M. Gehring" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Step 4.0 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:22:02 -0700 Organization: Morrison-Knudsen Corporation Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34BC052A.F662163A@mk.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.78.128.211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) I'm looking for a copy of the NeXT os V4 for a Turbo Color slab who sells this, or where can I get a copy. Thanks Drew -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew M. Gehring Morrison-Knudsen Corporation Senior Systems Administrator P.O. Box 73 andrew_gehring@mk.com Boise, ID. 83729 (208) 386-6644 - Voice (208) 386-5039 - Fax --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." Thomas Watson --------------------------------------------------------------------- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: "Scott Anguish" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 apps Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:03:55 -0500 Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 30 Message-ID: <69p7ir$782$1@news.digifix.com> References: <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pavilion.digifix.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Tin-Yau Fung wrote in message <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com>... >Hi, > I am under the impression that most "Rhapsodized" apps also >have their counterparts for OPENSTEP4.2 for Mach. (OmniWeb, Create, >for eg). Is it safe to assume that a user can stay with OpenSTEP4.2 >running apps written for the Yellow Box? > > Or is OPENSTEP 4.2 for Mach obsolete once Rhapsody is >released? > > Rhapsody apps are not backwards compatible with OpenStep 4.2 unless the developer goes to some lengths. - don't use any of the new or revised classes in Rhapsody - reproduces all .nib files in OpenStep (Rhapsody does load OpenStep created .nibs, but the inverse is not true) So its not safe to make that assumption. For example.. I've discontinued future development of OpenUp for OpenStep because it requires an additional set of steps now that I've move my primary development system to Rhapsody. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!gaea.omnigroup.com!not-for-mail From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 apps Date: 17 Jan 1998 05:18:42 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <69pevi$65r$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> References: <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bubastis.omnigroup.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) tyf@primenet.com__ (Tin-Yau Fung) wrote: > Hi, > I am under the impression that most "Rhapsodized" apps also > have their counterparts for OPENSTEP4.2 for Mach. (OmniWeb, Create, > for eg). Is it safe to assume that a user can stay with OpenSTEP4.2 > running apps written for the Yellow Box? > > Or is OPENSTEP 4.2 for Mach obsolete once Rhapsody is > released? OPENSTEP/Mach does not run Rhapsody apps. Period. The developer must provide separate versions of their apps for OPENSTEP and for Rhapsody (assuming that they wish to support both). Very few of the new Rhapsody developers from the Mac market will even have access to OPENSTEP/Mach, and I doubt many of them will find a compelling case for supporting the old, frozen OPENSTEP/Mach market. Which leaves us long-time NeXTstep/OpenStep developers. We have access to OPENSTEP/Mach (and OPENSTEP/Windows) and have existing customers using those platforms. I expect most of us will continue to support those markets with our newer releases and possibly newer products for some time. However, we are going to have an increasingly difficult time justifying support for OPENSTEP/Mach (and OPENSTEP/Windows) when that means the overhead of building and supporting multiple versions of our applications, as well as having to do part or much of our work on OPENSTEP, and potentially neglecting features of the Rhapsody platform in the name of compatibility (NSTableView, NSTabView, others). It's already an issue for us with our products, and is going to become much more of an issue later this year. From the perspective of the NeXT marketplace, Rhapsody is effectively OPENSTEP/Mach 5.0. New software developers are going to ignore the existing market (it's tiny - no possible business case given the direction of the market). Existing software developers are going to start relying on features of 5.0. If you want those new products, you're going to have to upgrade. On the plus side, Rhapsody is pretty darn cool. Most of us here can't yet switch to it as our primary desktop, but it offers a lot of advantages over OPENSTEP/Mach and I think most people will find it a compelling upgrade in the not-too-distant future. (I realize black hardware owners - like myself - are left out in the cold on this one. But that hardware is so old, so slow, comprises such a small market, and is in certain ways so limited compared to today's systems, that I really don't think it would be reasonable to expect the software developers to expend their efforts in that direction, especially when that means ceding compelling advantages to our competitors.) -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!not-for-mail From: me@seifert.educ.mun.ca (Tim Seifert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Adobe Illustrator conversions and other graphics questions Date: 16 Jan 1998 18:11:09 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 10 Message-ID: <69o7rt$761$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: seifert.educ.mun.ca I wish to convert my Adobe Illustrator images to tiff or gif format. Is there a programme to do this? I wish to fool around with animation. Is there an animation programme available that is accessible and relatively simple to use? Thanks in advance for replies! Tim Seifert St. John's, Newfoundland tive isto transfer ascii files between eMate and > NeXT. > > Please respond to leif@pattern.com > > I will summarize. > > Thanks! > > > -- Use Newtonlink, is a set of perl-scripts for use with Steve Weyers "Sloup" on the Newton (or eMate)-Site. look at : http://privat.swol.de/ReinholdSchoeb/Newton/newtonlink-doc-en.html CIAO JUT -------------------------------------------------------------- - send to : jut@ukrv.de or jut@rz.charite.hu-berlin.de - - -> NeXTMail & PGP welcome <- - - phone : +49 30 450 66127 - - fax: +49 30 450 66937 - -------------------------------------------------------------- - location : virchow-hospital in berlin (germany) - -------------------------------------------------------------- - "I am saddened -- not by Microsoft's success, I have no - - problem with their success, they've earned their success - - ...for the most part -- I have a problem with the fact - - that they just make really third-rate products." - - - - Steven Paul Jobs - -------------------------------------------------------------- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Step 4.0 Date: 14 Jan 1998 03:45:57 GMT Organization: none Lines: 19 Message-ID: <69hcdl$1s2$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <34BC052A.F662163A@mk.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: andrew_gehring@mk.com In <34BC052A.F662163A@mk.com> "Andrew M. Gehring" wrote: > > I'm looking for a copy of the NeXT os V4 for a Turbo Color slab I'd recommend 4.2 unless you prefer bugs. > who sells this, or where can I get a copy. comp.sys.next.marketplace or Rob Blessin TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!bolzen.in-berlin.de!news.all.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newscon04!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zyklon" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: can someone send me a file? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:48:10 -0800 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 8 Message-ID: <69j43s$11u0$1@newssvr08-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port60.seat3.prodigy.net X-Post-Time: 14 Jan 1998 19:36:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 if anyone has the linker "ld" from NeXT Mach 3.2 / intel (or one what will run on that) could you please attach it to an email and send it to Zyklon86@prodigy.net Thanks, Eric. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: tyf@primenet.com__ (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 apps Date: 16 Jan 1998 19:07:00 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com> X-Posted-By: @206.165.100.215 (tyf) X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-00000-01 Hi, I am under the impression that most "Rhapsodized" apps also have their counterparts for OPENSTEP4.2 for Mach. (OmniWeb, Create, for eg). Is it safe to assume that a user can stay with OpenSTEP4.2 running apps written for the Yellow Box? Or is OPENSTEP 4.2 for Mach obsolete once Rhapsody is released? Just curious. -- ------------------------------------------------- Tin-Yau Fung, email = tyf@ucsee.eecs.berkeley.edu -------------------------------------------------- allace, Alan Kay [...] Abstract Squeak is an open, highly-portable Smalltalk implementation whose virtual machine is written entirely in Smalltalk, making it easy to debug, analyze, and change. To achieve practical performance, a translator produces an equivalent C program whose performance is comparable to commercial Smalltalks. Other noteworthy aspects of Squeak include: a compact object format that typically requires only a single word of overhead per object; a simple yet efficient incremental garbage collector for 32-bit direct pointers; efficient bulk-mutation of objects; extensions of BitBlt to handle color of any depth and anti-aliased image rotation and scaling; and real-time sound and music synthesis written entirely in Smalltalk. [...] While we considered using Java for our project, we still feel that Smalltalk offers a better environment for research and development. At a time when the world is moving toward native host widgets, we still feel that there is power and inspiration in having all of the code for every aspect of computation and display be immediately accessible, changeable, and identical across platforms. Finally, when most development environments fill 100 megabytes of disk space or more, Squeak is a portable, malleable, full-service computing environment, including browsing, split-second recompilation, and source debugging tools, all in a 1-megabyte footprint. Though many of its strengths are rooted in the past, Squeak is suited to the intimate computing potential of PDAs and the Internet, and our work is, now more than ever, inspired by the future. [...] -- -- Leif Smith, Pattern Research, Denver, Colorado leif@pattern.com | http://www.pattern.com #################################################################### From: Chkproces2 <110644.661@CompuServe.COM> Subject: *Check-By-Fax,Svc..Guaranteed Funds Organization: Bryant's Financial Services, Inc. Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:31:45 -0500 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.41!news-outbound.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!arl-news-svc-7.compuserve.com!nntp-ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com Lines: 24 *Guaranteed Funds* Accept Electronic Checks-By-Phone Fax And Over The Internet !! Attention All Business Owner: Increase your business cash flow to over $4,500 a month by accepting Guaranteed electronic check over the phone, fax, or by e-mail as payment for your products and services, just like credit cards. For more info email your name address and telephone # to: Chkproces2@Compuserve.com [OR CALL] Main Office 1-888-786-4759 ----------------------------------------------------------------- * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW * CALL NOW ----------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1998 all rights reserved Bryant's Financial Svc, Inc #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.space.net!news.camelot.de!heller!heller From: heller@altoetting-online.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Adobe Illustrator conversions and other graphics questions Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:27:37 GMT Organization: Barb & Helmut Heller Lines: 23 Sender: heller@heller.altoetting-online.de (Helmut Heller) Message-ID: References: <69o7rt$761$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Reply-To: heller@altoetting-online.de NNTP-Posting-Host: heller.altoetting-online.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <69o7rt$761$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> me@seifert.educ.mun.ca (Tim Seifert) writes: > I wish to convert my Adobe Illustrator images to tiff or gif format. Is > there a programme to do this? yes, there is! Just rename your .ai files to .eps and then you can use many applications to do that. If you want high resolution, get eps2tiff, which is a commandline tool. > > I wish to fool around with animation. Is there an animation programme > available that is accessible and relatively simple to use? Yes again! There is Movie.app, which, I think, takes a bunch of tiff files, numbered, in a dir called bla.anim and which will then animate those tiffs. Bye, Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-8671-881665 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@altoetting-online.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-8671-881665 ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Helmut Heller, Muehldorfer Str. 72, 84503 Altoetting, GERMANY #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!03-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!news.univie.ac.at!not-for-mail From: bob@par.univie.ac.at (Bob Velkov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Tseng ET6000 driver for OpenStep 4.0/Intel Date: 19 Jan 1998 12:44:48 GMT Organization: Inst. for Software Technology and Parallel Systems Lines: 11 Message-ID: <69vhs0$28p4$1@www.univie.ac.at> Reply-To: bob@par.univie.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Host: molly.par.univie.ac.at Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27464 comp.sys.next.programmer:27405 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29522 comp.sys.next.software:32212 Does anyone know whether there is an ET6000 driver for OpenStep 4.0 for Intel and where I can get it? Thanks a lot in advance (please reply to me directly or Cc). Thanks! -- Bob Velkov Bob.Velkov@par.univie.ac.at #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <364884494823@digifix.com> Date: 18 Jan 1998 04:58:51 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 330 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <15507885099622@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:92935 comp.sys.next.announce:4541 comp.sys.next.hardware:32029 comp.sys.next.software:32213 comp.sys.next.misc:27465 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29524 comp.sys.next.bugs:4731 comp.sys.next.programmer:27406 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.41.128.6!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: Bill Keller Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 apps Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:32:01 -0600 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <34C444E1.A336868E@wrldcom.com> References: <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com> <69pevi$65r$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <34C22A7F.3EE2200F@wrldcom.com> <69ukh4$153$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <34C2E476.DFFFCAFF@wrldcom.com> <6a0t18$om3$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: swnas1-17.ionet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: > Maybe it makes it clearer if I take some liberty with the names. > Pretend Rhapsody is actually named OPENSTEP/Mach 5.0 (in effect, that's > what it is). Pretend that Yellow Box for Windows is OPENSTEP/Windows > 5.0 (in effect, that's what it is). 5.0 is an extremely easy upgrade, > adds support for a new platform (PPC), is readily available to _far_ > more people, and has a number of bug fixes, enhancements and changes > (as do most product upgrades). Unfortunately, it's not binary > compatible with 4.x. New developers will support 5.x and never touch > 4.x. Current developers supporting 4.x see major benefits in moving to > 5.x - while they will continue to support 4.x for a while, the > disadvantages of supporting both 4.x and 5.x (unless they completely > ignore the enhancements to 5.x) will cause them (us) to eventually > shift completely to 5.x and stop enhancing versions of our products for > 4.x. I think I get it. Thanks for the explaination. Having a common naming convention might help a little. :) Bill Keller (bkeller@wrldcom.com) #################################################################### From: ff48@columbia.edu To: ff48@columbia.edu Subject: Internet provider in manhattan Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:11:33 -0600 Message-ID: <885254041.2074673155@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!nntp.texas.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 19 23:54:01 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: ff48@columbia.edu X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 156.111.174.106 (sml1.cpmc.columbia.edu) Lines: 12 Hi, I'm looking for a internet & mail provider in manhattan for my old NeXT computer. Thanks for your help, Frederic -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.41.128.6!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: Bill Keller Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 apps Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:14:55 -0600 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <34C22A7F.3EE2200F@wrldcom.com> References: <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com> <69pevi$65r$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: swnas1-23.ionet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: > OPENSTEP/Mach does not run Rhapsody apps. Period. The developer must > provide separate versions of their apps for OPENSTEP and for Rhapsody > (assuming that they wish to support both). Very few of the new Rhapsody > developers from the Mac market will even have access to OPENSTEP/Mach, > and I doubt many of them will find a compelling case for supporting the > old, frozen OPENSTEP/Mach market. Why is that, exactly? I was under the impression that OpenStep is what is portable, and that OpenStep under Rhapsody and OpenStep under NT are the same thing. I understand that there are going to be some Rhapsody specific elements that won't be portable (much like the Sound or 3D Kits), but the majority should just be a recompile. Am I way off on this? One of the attractive elements of Rhapsody was the recompile/redeploy potential for Windows/Solaris/HP. I had read on one of the comp.sys.next newsgroups that OmniWeb was ported to NT in one evening. Any truth to that? Bill Keller (bkeller@wrldcom.com) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!gaea.omnigroup.com!not-for-mail From: andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 apps Date: 20 Jan 1998 01:01:28 GMT Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Lines: 51 Message-ID: <6a0t18$om3$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> References: <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com> <69pevi$65r$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <34C22A7F.3EE2200F@wrldcom.com> <69ukh4$153$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <34C2E476.DFFFCAFF@wrldcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bubastis.omnigroup.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) Bill Keller wrote: > andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: > > I guess the next question would have to be: what is the difference between > OPENSTEP (the API) and Yellow Box, especially if Yellow Box is available for > Windows? Is it a separate API? Why are they adding things like NSOutlineView to > something called Yellow Box instead of putting it into something like OPENSTEP > 5.0? It's just a name change, due to the change in focus of the product. Indeed, Yellow Box is purely a codename which identifies the Rhapsody APIs which are also available separately (so far, for Windows only, though there's nothing technically precluding porting them to other environments - witness Sun's old OpenStep/Solaris). It's conceivable that Apple will actually call it OPENSTEP when they publically release it as a product (though I doubt it). It (Yellow Box/Windows) is in effect a newer version of OPENSTEP/Windows, with a new name. As a newer version, it has some bug fixes, some enhancements/additions, and various improvements to the tools. > But if (as I teniously understand this) Yellow Box is a superset of OPENSTEP, > won't OpenStep developers have Yellow Box compatibility already? They may miss > some of the classes you mentioned, but if I write something on OpenStep/Mach, it > should be a simple recompile over to Yellow Box. Yes, absolutely - pure OpenStep apps port trivially (recompile) to Yellow Box. (We've proved this with OmniWeb, OmniPDF, and other applications.) But since Yellow Box is an upgrade to OpenStep, expect less and less support for OpenStep from developers. And don't expect _any_ support from new developers, most of whom won't even have access to OpenStep, but just the successor, Yellow Box. Maybe it makes it clearer if I take some liberty with the names. Pretend Rhapsody is actually named OPENSTEP/Mach 5.0 (in effect, that's what it is). Pretend that Yellow Box for Windows is OPENSTEP/Windows 5.0 (in effect, that's what it is). 5.0 is an extremely easy upgrade, adds support for a new platform (PPC), is readily available to _far_ more people, and has a number of bug fixes, enhancements and changes (as do most product upgrades). Unfortunately, it's not binary compatible with 4.x. New developers will support 5.x and never touch 4.x. Current developers supporting 4.x see major benefits in moving to 5.x - while they will continue to support 4.x for a while, the disadvantages of supporting both 4.x and 5.x (unless they completely ignore the enhancements to 5.x) will cause them (us) to eventually shift completely to 5.x and stop enhancing versions of our products for 4.x. -- andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com - NeXTmail & MIME ok #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.oru.edu!sol.pdnt.net!www From: www@eee.com (S. Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:05:00 -0600 Organization: Orange Wolf Software Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp5-ts1.pdnt.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Hi all, I'm trying to get PPP to work on OpenStep 4.2, haven't had much luck yet. In any case I've mucked around with various files enough that I want to reinstall OpenStep from scratch, but I'm not having much luck. When I try to do so from the installation CD-ROM it only offers to update my current installation, but doesn't give me the choice of performing a "clean install", i.e. remove everything and reinstall from scratch. I tried creating an alternative boot disk on a zip disk which worked, but the CD-ROM duplicated my f*cked-up system and didn't create an entirely fresh install on the zip disk. Can anybody tell me how to create a "clean install"? Scott Johnson #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!mr.net!coop.net!news.indra.com!not-for-mail From: leif@pattern.com (Leif Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Apple eMate + NeXTstation? - Summary of Responses Date: 18 Jan 1998 21:20:35 GMT Organization: Indra's Net, Inc. -- Public Access Internet. Lines: 110 Message-ID: <69trn3$rkf$1@news.indra.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic035.indra.com X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-00000-01 I promised to summarize the responses to the following, posted to comp.sys.next.misc comp.sys.newton.programmer: From: leif@pattern.com (Leif Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Apple eMate + NeXTstation? Date: 9 Jan 1998 23:18:17 GMT Does anyone have pointers on how to connect an eMate to a NeXTstation running NS 3.2? Objective is to transfer ascii files between eMate and NeXT. ---------- end of original posting ------------ I've received some useful responses. Thanks! Will not try them until gain access to an eMate or Newton. But these responses are encouraging to my client and we are looking forward to testing. ------------ responses ----------------- From: Joakim Johansson I do not believe there is any software package set up for doing that under NS 3.2. (and not for OpenStep 4.x either) There is a free package called Slurpee that is ported to a few number of UNIX platforms that might be easy to port to NS, otherwise the last alternative would be to actually implement a transfer program yourself. (I'd guess the eMate have the same serial connection as my MessagePad...) There is documentation available on the protocols used for this on Apple's Newton web site. ---------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Sanderson Try a DejaNews search for Sloup (a new version was announced in the last few days, but I don't have the posting). It's a Newton Soup export tool which works over standard serial connections, so all you'd have to do is (I think) run a terminal app on the slab and make up a serial cable. Sloup is the new name for what used to be called 'Slurpee.' I've no personal experience, I'm afraid, but I've heard tell from people who use it to Sun and other unix workstations. [...] ---------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Immisch There are two principal ideas: text transfer using terinal programs: - on the Newton, install Sloup from Steve Weyer: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~sweyer/newton/ - on the NeXT, use tip or any other terminal emulator (kermit, Microphone...) email: use email for text transport. The NeXT can provide shell login or ppp. ---------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard C. L. Li" Try out Sloup from Steve Weyer. Check it out at: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~sweyer/newton/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------- From: WillAdams There's a program available called NewtL which has been ported to NeXTStep 3.2 Here's a URL: http://www.tcel.com/~aehall/newtl/ ---------------------------------------------------- From: Don Vollum I would set up an ftp server on the NeXT and use NewtFTP to transfer data. Take a look at http://www.tactile.com. ---------------------------------------------------- From: jut- ukrv Use Newtonlink, is a set of perl-scripts for use with Steve Weyers "Sloup" on the Newton (or eMate)-Site. look at: http://privat.swol.de/ReinholdSchoeb/Newton/newtonlink-do c-en.html ### -- Leif Smith, Pattern Research, Denver, Colorado leif@pattern.com | http://www.pattern.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <6a2u2b$rbt$177@news.netway.at> Control: cancel <6a2u2b$rbt$177@news.netway.at> Date: 20 Jan 1998 19:33:31 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: onyxx@netway.at Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news.netway.at!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Email processors needed!!!! X-Original-Date: 20 Jan 1998 19:31:23 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: l662t1p48.netway.at X-Original-From: onyxx@netway.at X-CosmoTraq: TTC9UF4X#V368@94LRFIF6;<=1*DTN0?MQ/;4RLY!Z1Z6QGK#.Q6GB<. X-Cancel-ID: K,S3SDYA!S)15XI.@I6'Z=S\`_Y^D3=B@8>Z?K+%MQD,+#,NKL%GDK&W X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!ironhorse.plsys.co.uk!not-for-mail From: mmalcolm crawford Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: NeXT Black Hardware -- Alternative OS? Date: 22 Jan 1998 01:47:38 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6a68fq$72$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <34C2C896.43CAEE08@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pheasant.plsys.co.uk In-Reply-To: <34C2C896.43CAEE08@ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00083 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:32223 comp.sys.next.misc:27472 comp.soft-sys.nextstep:3389 On 01/19/98, smd3 wrote: >I'm a high-school student in NH, and I aqquired an old NeXT slab through >the school. It's a 68040 color station, with 16mb ram and a 17" monitor. >I'm wondering if there are alternative (FREE) operating systems for this >hardware? It has system release 2.1, I don't even know if that is very >old, but I imagine it is. > I think someone did a port of Plan9... Best wishes, mmalc. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!ais.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail From: beaucham@news.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 21 Jan 1998 02:20:56 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmp-rs.music.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] As a NeXTStep user who uses the Terminal app a lot, I'm wondering if the new Rhapsody for the Power Mac will include this app in its collection. Does anybody know what the plans are? Jim Beauchamp j-beauch@uiuc.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.eerie.fr!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 21 Jan 1998 05:23:59 GMT Organization: none Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Well, there's no reason for it *not* to be, and plenty of reasons for it to be. There are still a lot of UNIX programs for which one really must use the commandline. TjL, who doesn't know anything just saying what he thinks -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.52.106.6!ncar!uchinews!gsbux1!tachang From: tachang@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Andrew Chang) Subject: Where to find a nice NeXT soundbox tiff file? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: gsbux1.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Organization: GSB, University of Chicago Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:41:49 GMT Lines: 3 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27475 comp.sys.next.software:32224 Need to find a real one to replace the NS 3.3 dumb sound box. Have not had any luck so far. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!uninett.no!news.algonet.se!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!acsu.buffalo.edu!not-for-mail From: Wassim M Jabi Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OPENSTEP 4.2/5.0 for Mach Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:48:17 -0500 Organization: University At Buffalo Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34C66D21.391B@writeme.com> Reply-To: wj@writeme.com NNTP-Posting-Host: libra.ap.buffalo.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) I have a NeXTStation Color 25MHz with OPENSTEP 4.1 I use it to develop software at home. Is there OPENSTEP 4.2 for MACH (Motorola/Intel)? Where can I purchase it? Is there going to be OPENSTEP 5.0/Rhapsody for Mach (Motorola)? Thank you. -- Wassim Jabi, Assistant Professor University at Buffalo mailto:wj@writeme.com Department of Architecture http://www.buffalo.edu/~jabi Hayes Hall Tel: +1 716.829.3485 Ext. 323 3435 Main St. Fax: +1 716.829.3256 Buffalo, NY 14214-3087 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.68.62.96!oronet!i519.oro.net!user From: tj@oro.net (Thomas Ferreira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OPENSTEP 4.2/5.0 for Mach Date: 21 Jan 1998 22:33:47 GMT Organization: oronet, Penn Valley, C Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <34C66D21.391B@writeme.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: i519.oro.net X-Server-Date: 21 Jan 1998 22:33:47 GMT Yup.. OPENSTEP 4.2 for Mach (NeXT hardware) is available and very nice. Try Rob at Black Hole, Inc. He sells it. Visit his web pages at: http://www.blackholeinc.com Also, come visit my web page when you have a chance. I am the editor of @Society Magazine Newsletter which is a "printed" newsletter including NeXT coverage. In fact, the upcoming issue #4 that is at the copiers has a review of OPENSTEP 4.2 for Mach. Visit my web pages at: http://www.oro.net/~tj Happy computing.. TJ Ferreira @Society *As for OPENSTEP 5.0/Rhapsody... One could only wish..... In article <34C66D21.391B@writeme.com>, wj@writeme.com wrote: > I have a NeXTStation Color 25MHz with OPENSTEP 4.1 > I use it to develop software at home. > > Is there OPENSTEP 4.2 for MACH (Motorola/Intel)? > Where can I purchase it? > > Is there going to be OPENSTEP 5.0/Rhapsody > for Mach (Motorola)? > > Thank you. > > -- > Wassim Jabi, Assistant Professor University at Buffalo > mailto:wj@writeme.com Department of Architecture > http://www.buffalo.edu/~jabi Hayes Hall > Tel: +1 716.829.3485 Ext. 323 3435 Main St. > Fax: +1 716.829.3256 Buffalo, NY 14214-3087 #################################################################### Message-ID: <34C60FB1.1B38@lvl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:09:37 +0000 From: Erik Salmonson Reply-To: esalmonson@lvl.com Organization: LVL Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Non-booting slab??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: caprice.physik.unizh.ch Lines: 16 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-zh.switch.ch!rzunews1.unizh.ch!caprice.physik.unizh.ch Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27478 comp.sys.next.hardware:32058 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29554 Got a problem. I have a mono slab that does not want to finish booting up. I had tried to edit the netinfo so that I could use it on my work network. Now in the process of booting up I get a message that says: lookupd [103]: NetInfo timeout connecting to local domain, sleeping and then is sits there waiting for the next command. I do not know this command. Is there a command to wake it back up? or skip the network hookup? or boot in a mode that would allow me to get back at that netinfo file and undo what I have already done? Any help would be great. Please answer via email as my access to usenet is sketchy at best. thanks.... #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!news.BLaCKSMITH.com!not-for-mail From: Chuck Swiger Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Print sharing Date: 21 Jan 1998 23:23:57 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6a602d$2io$8@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.8.169 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) wrote: > Is it possible to print share between a NeXTSTEP 3.3 machine and an > OpenStep 4.2 machine without having a NetInfo domain? If not, could one > build a minimal domain merely for providing a print sharing ability? Sure, using the standard BSD Unix printcap & LPD/LPR functionality. Setting up NetInfo is also a good solution; NetInfo is slightly in the way if you've only got one NEXTSTEP box and you want to treat it as a generic Unix system, but it starts becoming a winner with more than one. -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+----------------------+-------------------- "Microsoft: we make the easy almost impossible." #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newspeer.monmouth.com!ais.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!news From: leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) Subject: Print sharing X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pierce-33.rh.uchicago.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Reply-To: leffert@cs.uchicago.edu (Jonathan B. Leffert) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The University of Chicago X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:24:28 GMT Lines: 8 Is it possible to print share between a NeXTSTEP 3.3 machine and an OpenStep 4.2 machine without having a NetInfo domain? If not, could one build a minimal domain merely for providing a print sharing ability? Jonathan -- Jonathan B. Leffert #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh3d0.bnr.ca!despams.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 22 Jan 1998 12:17:08 EST X-Original-Path: ...!cs.utexas.edu!news.iag.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!not-for-mail X-Original-From: pc88 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc X-Original-Subject: Share modem, ISDN and cable modem 11665 X-Original-Date: 22 Jan 1998 08:18:47 GMT Message-ID: Control: cancel <6a6vd7$8t6$1853@news0-alterdial.uu.net> X-No-Archive: Yes From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: pc88 Subject: cmsg cancel <6a6vd7$8t6$1853@news0-alterdial.uu.net> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19980122.01 for further details #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nefkom.de!main.de.uu.net!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!news-out.communique.net!communique!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!mpaque From: mpaque@wco.com (Mike Paquette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 apps Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:31:41 -0800 Organization: Electronics Service Unit No. 16 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1d3260h.wfro231jam91iN@sextans120.wco.com> References: <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com> <69pevi$65r$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <34C22A7F.3EE2200F@wrldcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sextans120.wco.com X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3 (unregistered for 56 days) Bill Keller wrote: > Why is that, exactly? I was under the impression that OpenStep is what is > portable, and that OpenStep under Rhapsody and OpenStep under NT are the > same thing. While the OEPNSTEP APIs are the same, programs which invoke services from the underlying operating system may need some porting effort. The services provided by the OPENSTEP 4.2 operating system and NT differ greatly. The differnces between OPENSTEP 4.2 and Rhapsody are relatively small. Most of the ones a programmer might encounter are due to the changes from BSD 4.3 to BSD 4.4, and include changes in low level system call interfaces such as lseek(), which changes as part of the move from a 32 bit addressable filesystem to a 64 bit filesystem. > I understand that there are going to be some Rhapsody specific > elements that won't be portable (much like the Sound or 3D Kits), but the > majority should just be a recompile. Am I way off on this? One of the > attractive elements of Rhapsody was the recompile/redeploy potential for > Windows/Solaris/HP. It is just a recompile for most apps. Rhapsody can't be made binary compatable due to changes in the system call interface and the detailed behavior of some system calls (as in lseek() mentioned above). Mike Paquette mpaque@wco.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnews.unl.edu!manager From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: NeXT Black Hardware -- Alternative OS? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Date: 22 Jan 1998 07:14:42 GMT Organization: Spontaneous Freelance Network Consulting, UnInc. Lines: 26 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <6a6rl2$of8@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <34C2C896.43CAEE08@ix.netcom.com> <6a68fq$72$1@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bigred.unl.edu X-HTML:
X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:32236 comp.sys.next.misc:27482 comp.soft-sys.nextstep:3390 mmalcolm crawford (malcolm@plsys.co.uk) wrote: : On 01/19/98, smd3 wrote: : >I'm a high-school student in NH, and I aqquired an old NeXT slab through : >the school. It's a 68040 color station, with 16mb ram and a 17" monitor. : >I'm wondering if there are alternative (FREE) operating systems for this : >hardware? It has system release 2.1, I don't even know if that is very : >old, but I imagine it is. : > : I think someone did a port of Plan9... : Yeah, but what I remember from the webpage, it involved hacking a three-button mouse into the serial port. Which brings me to a question: is a three button mouse available for ADB, and is there software to use it? -Josh -- Do not send mail to this account. Really. "Talk about silly conspiracy theories..." -Wayne Schlitt in unl.general This post (C)1998, Josh Hesse. Quoted material is (C) of the person quoted. |ess|erb|unl|u| ##THIS SPACE## How's my posting? 1-800-DEV-NULL email: jh|e@h|ie.|.ed| ## FOR RENT ## .Sigfile freshness date: 1/20/98 "On the Internet no one knows you're a dog... unless you're busily biting everyone and crapping on the 'net carpet." -Cliff Sharp in nana.email #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.enteract.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news From: isor@ripco.com (chiroptera) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 13W3 to SVGA? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:31:39 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Lines: 13 Message-ID: <34c30efc.15874585@news.enteract.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eseale.sa.enteract.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 is it possible to plug some kind of adapter into the end of my slab's monitor cable that will allow me to plug in a 15 pin SVGA (PC) monitor? is this it? 13W3F - HD15M Adapter or would i need the 13W3 to be male? -eric #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.95.128.196!news-nyc.telia.net!masternews.telia.net!newspost.telia.com!news.lejonet.se!news.komvux.uppbro.se!fw.itgruppen.se From: "Robert Claeson" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 apps Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:31:17 +0100 Organization: * Lines: 39 Message-ID: <34c3570f.0@news.komvux.uppbro.se> References: <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com> <69pevi$65r$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <34C22A7F.3EE2200F@wrldcom.com> <69ukh4$153$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <34C2E476.DFFFCAFF@wrldcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: neptune.komvux.uppbro.se X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Bill Keller wrote: >I guess the next question would have to be: what is the difference between >OPENSTEP (the API) and Yellow Box, especially if Yellow Box is available for >Windows? Is it a separate API? Why are they adding things like NSOutlineView to >something called Yellow Box instead of putting it into something like OPENSTEP >5.0? Because Yellow Box is, more or less, the API of Openstep 5.0, which now is called "Rhapsody". >But if (as I teniously understand this) Yellow Box is a superset of OPENSTEP, >won't OpenStep developers have Yellow Box compatibility already? They may miss >some of the classes you mentioned, but if I write something on OpenStep/Mach, it >should be a simple recompile over to Yellow Box. That's my understanding if you don't want to make use of the new classes. >Is there any word on whether or not Apple is going to support OpenStep/Mach, or is >just assumed that everyone will at some point switch over to Rhapsody? Apple has stated that they currently has no intentions to make Rhapsody available for Unix machines. I guess that they by that also mean that they don't intend to make Yellow Box available for any Unix'es. Since there are people who are using Openstep on Sun and HP machines, I do hope that Apple will continue to at least support Openstep for them. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!cosy.sbg.ac.at!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <6a89jk$d8m$1352@heliodor.xara.net> Control: cancel <6a89jk$d8m$1352@heliodor.xara.net> Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:19:02 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: underage@schoolgirls.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet X-Original-Subject: Under Age Schoolgirls - keep off net X-Original-Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:19:00 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.13.14 X-Original-From: underage@schoolgirls.com X-CosmoTraq: K@K,3G9>=\$D5H% X-Cancel-ID: [H[J)Z.V8$D3F4SC`Q8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.64.133.40 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!205.197.247.138!news9.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news8.kcdata.com!not-for-mail I understand that NeXTstep 3.3 apps are not in general compatible with Rhapsody, because NeXTstep wasn't yet OpenStep at that point. I also understand that NeXTstep 3.3 apps will run on OpenStep/Mach 4.2 (because some sort of compatibility layer is in there). I've further been led to believe that OpenStep/Mach 4.2 apps written to the OpenStep APIs will run directly under Rhapsody. My question: will normal Unix software compiled under NeXTstep 3.3 run under Rhapsody? With shared libraries? If statically compiled? (Our company makes non-GUI software for Unix. We don't have Rhapsody handy, but we do have NeXTstep, and we have been thinking of making a version of our product for NeXTstep and Rhapsody. I guess for the moment I'm only thinking of the Intel platform, though if we go ahead with this I can't see why we wouldn't ship fat binaries.) -- Doug DeJulio | mailto:ddj@hks.net HKS, Incorporated | http://www.hks.net/~ddj/ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.seicom.net!news.navigator.de!not-for-mail From: mow@navigator.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Whats My Domain Name Date: 22 Jan 1998 22:28:20 GMT Organization: Navigator Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6a8h64$1r4$5@marsu.navigator.de> References: <19980121000100.TAA01589@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: marsu.navigator.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: markm3leit@aol.com In <19980121000100.TAA01589@ladder02.news.aol.com> MARKM3LEIT wrote: > Im still trying to get PPP working > > On a standalone machine trying to connect with modem through an ISP (dynamic > address) trying to understand what to put in:/etc/resolv.conf > > domain name usit.net > nameserver 199.1.48.2 > nameserver 199.1.54.4 > > is this incorrect? > Use: domain usit.net nameserver 199.1.48.2 nameserver 199.1.54.4 -- Navigator Markus Wenzel - IT Consulting http://www.navigator.de/ #################################################################### From: Bill Keller Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rhapsody and Openstep4.2 apps Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:28:22 -0600 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <34C2E476.DFFFCAFF@wrldcom.com> References: <69p3o4$d6p@nntp02.primenet.com> <69pevi$65r$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> <34C22A7F.3EE2200F@wrldcom.com> <69ukh4$153$1@gaea.omnigroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: swnas3-13.ionet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!topnet.de!roka.net!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.41.128.6!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail andrew_abernathy@omnigroup.com wrote: > Yes, that's true in that the APIs are portable. I didn't make this > clear enough: OPENSTEP/Mach and Rhapsody are not _binary_ compatible. > They are, however, (mostly) _source_ compatible, so most things are > simply a recompile. (This includes OPENSTEP/Yellow Box on Windows as > well.) This part seemed obvious to me. I guess part of the confusion is the difference between OpenStep the OS and OPENSTEP the API. My question was concerning the API. > But there are a few additions/changes in Yellow Box vs. OpenStep: > context menus, NSTabView, NSOutlineView, etc. Some of these (context > menu) are easily papered over (or ignored) so that you can build for > both OpenStep and Yellow Box. Others (NSOutlineView) require enough > work to re-implement or paste over for OpenStep that developers are > likely to avoid those things or simply abandon OpenStep. In the future, > Yellow Box will support QuickTime and Java, but OpenStep will not get > these. Just how that effects our OpenStep products remains to be seen. I guess the next question would have to be: what is the difference between OPENSTEP (the API) and Yellow Box, especially if Yellow Box is available for Windows? Is it a separate API? Why are they adding things like NSOutlineView to something called Yellow Box instead of putting it into something like OPENSTEP 5.0? > My main point (or my intended main point, in any case) was that new > Yellow Box developers are extremely unlikely to support OpenStep (most > of them won't even have access to OpenStep even if they otherwise have > the motivation to support the frozen OpenStep market). Given that, > current OpenStep developers are at somewhat of a disadvantage if they > have to expend effort on supporting additional builds of their > products, and if they avoid full utilization of Rhapsody's features in > the name of backward compatibility. For the time being, I expect most > OpenStep developers to continue updating their products on OpenStep, > but I think it's likely that will not last indefinitely. We'll see. But if (as I teniously understand this) Yellow Box is a superset of OPENSTEP, won't OpenStep developers have Yellow Box compatibility already? They may miss some of the classes you mentioned, but if I write something on OpenStep/Mach, it should be a simple recompile over to Yellow Box. Is there any word on whether or not Apple is going to support OpenStep/Mach, or is just assumed that everyone will at some point switch over to Rhapsody? I apologize if these questions seem stupid. I really like OpenStep/Mach, I like the idea of cross-platform, I'm just a little unsure of Apple's intentions in all of this... Bill Keller (bkeller@wrldcom.com) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xfer.kren.nm.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.kigam.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!not-for-mail From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Where to find a nice NeXT soundbox tiff file? Date: 23 Jan 1998 20:42:37 GMT Organization: Korea Telecom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6aavbt$3dj$1@news.kornet.nm.kr> References: Reply-To: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.126.214.126 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews-J (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: tachang@gsbux1.uchicago.edu Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27488 comp.sys.next.software:32248 In Andrew Chang wrote: > > Need to find a real one to replace the NS 3.3 dumb sound box. > Have not had any luck so far. > Do you want new soundbox icon? If so please download ppai's icon collections. ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/graphics/icons/ or http://www.peak.org/next/new_arrivals/ younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) ppai@bbs.para.co.kr (Large size NeXTMail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (ppai News) http://bbs.para.co.kr/~ppai (ppai News2) (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A & Info Board written in Korean) (The Web site contains 6,000 articles about NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!xfer.kren.nm.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.kigam.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!not-for-mail From: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 13W3 to SVGA? Date: 23 Jan 1998 20:43:35 GMT Organization: Korea Telecom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6aavdn$3dj$2@news.kornet.nm.kr> References: <34c30efc.15874585@news.enteract.com> Reply-To: ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.126.214.126 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews-J (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: isor@ripco.com In <34c30efc.15874585@news.enteract.com> chiroptera wrote: > is it possible to plug some kind of adapter into the end of my slab's > monitor cable that will allow me to plug in a 15 pin SVGA (PC) > monitor? > > is this it? > > 13W3F - HD15M Adapter > > or would i need > > the 13W3 to be male? Please visit http://www.si87.com/cables.html younghoon KIL ppai@soback.kornet.nm.kr (NeXTMail OK) ppai@bbs.para.co.kr (Large size NeXTMail OK) http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~ppai (ppai News) http://bbs.para.co.kr/~ppai (ppai News2) (NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody Q&A & Info Board written in Korean) (The Web site contains 6,000 articles about NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP and Rhapsody) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <6ab1ui$je1$165@news2.digex.net> Control: cancel <6ab1ui$je1$165@news2.digex.net> Date: 23 Jan 1998 21:31:05 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: rob@techtool.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.114!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!news2.digex.net!digex!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: FREE FINANCIAL SOFTWARE X-Original-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:28:09 PST X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.87.54.39 X-Original-From: rob@techtool.com X-CosmoTraq: J8H'VK\&C=8^R#12HN?%YU362\$KEDD: X-Cancel-ID: #%T[-K'$;YKBMQM[5FFT>CR-:V;A])_*$N=+JX:9Y*ILO9N6$23/^D(7 X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: kenw@silcon.com (Ken Worthy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Using "open -a app file" Date: 23 Jan 1998 09:03:34 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6a9md6$3gg$1@usenet47.supernews.com> Reply-To: kenw@silcon.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 3600@206.99.109.89 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Hello. When I use "open file.gif", the image is handed correctly to OmniImage and displayed. When I use "open -a OmniImage file.gif", I get the message, inky-102> open -a OmniImage file.gif open: can't open connection to OmniImage on local host. inky-103> I've tried specifying OmniImage.app, OmniImageFilter, and the absolute pathnames of both of them, etc., but always get the same message. Can anyone let me know how to correctly specify to the 'open' utility which application to use to open the file? I am doing this so that I can tell "pine" how to display images. Pine puts the image in a file without suffix... Thanks in advance, Ken #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Using "open -a app file" Date: 23 Jan 1998 18:34:41 GMT Organization: none Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6aans1$olo$2@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a9md6$3gg$1@usenet47.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: kenw@silcon.com Try the replacement open... ftp://next-ftp.peak.org/pub/next/apps/utils/unix/open.1.3.NI.b.tar.gz You also might want to use the '-o' flag open -a OmniImage -o file.gif or open -a OmniImage -unhide -o file.gif TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!altitude!fabre.act.qc.ca!ama From: Andre-John Mas Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hot Java and Rhapsody Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:15:55 -0500 Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fabre.act.qc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since I don't have a Rhapsody near me (and I won't for a few months) I was wondering if anybody had tried running Hot Java under this system. Since the program is meant to be written in Java in theory it should would, but I would rather here concret evidence than speculate. I'd love to hear results from anyone who has tried. AJ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: markm3leit@aol.com (MARKM3LEIT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Whats My Domain Name Date: 21 Jan 1998 00:01:45 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19980121000100.TAA01589@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Im still trying to get PPP working On a standalone machine trying to connect with modem through an ISP (dynamic address) trying to understand what to put in:/etc/resolv.conf domain name usit.net nameserver 199.1.48.2 nameserver 199.1.54.4 is this incorrect? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!uni-erlangen.de!winx03!lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de!newsmaster From: rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Rainer Frohnhoefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hot Java and Rhapsody Date: 24 Jan 1998 10:08:19 GMT Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6aceij$hr@lobotomy.urz.uni-wuerzburg.de> References: Reply-To: rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: wex155.extern.uni-wuerzburg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: ama@fabre.act.qc.ca In Andre-John Mas wrote: > > Since I don't have a Rhapsody near me (and I won't for a few months) > I was wondering if anybody had tried running Hot Java under this > system. Since the program is meant to be written in Java in theory > it should would, but I would rather here concret evidence than > speculate. > The awt has not been ported yet. No HotJava. -- "Um Energie zu sparen, wird das Licht am Ende des Tunnels vorlaeufig abgeschaltet." rainer@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de (public key avaible at any key server near you ...) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.sources.d,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 24 Jan 1998 19:26:53 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: Chkproces2 <110644.661@CompuServe.COM> Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.41!news-outbound.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!arl-news-svc-8.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naac.compuserve.com X-Original-Subject: *Checks-By-Fax,Svc..Guaranteed Fund X-Original-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:06:26 -0500 X-Original-From: Chkproces2 <110644.661@CompuServe.COM> X-CosmoTraq: RXA'R,M$G\J2&Q>ETW#:P/3'._KN%N$Y*SCV)W1Z/*1O3&SQ(\!`M$5/ X-Cancel-ID: &MA0SEAK!Z]=Q98'&BU`]4H(@/Z(FS??C?7&-TI=<"5Z.+`NN,MG#[TE X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.174.5.49!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!not-for-mail From: Matt Borgstrand Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rhapsody-Intel boot problems?? Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:00:03 -0600 Organization: IITAP, Iowa State University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <34CAB8C2.AB68EE7A@iastate.edu> Reply-To: gomezjr@iastate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: zakros.iitap.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Does anyone know why I get "Label name: I/O error" when I try to install the NS boot loader with "disk -b"?? I want to triple boot between Rhapsody on a SCSI (ID=0) drive on an Adaptec 1540 card and Win95 and WinNT 4 on the C: and D: IDE drives. I use the command "disk -b /dev/rhd0h" exactly how NeXT Answers docs say, but I get this error. The docs read as if NS needs to be on the same drive as Windows in another partition. Currently I have to boot from the install floppy with "sd()mach_kernel rootdev=sd0a". That works fine. Is this a conflict with the NT loader? If so, how can NS exist with just NT in that case?? Is LILO a better boot loader than either of them? Where is a good tech doc on configuring LILO to triple boot?? Much thanks! -Matt Borgstrand Systems Support -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Matt Borgstrand Systems Support International Institute of Theoretical and Applied Physics (IITAP) Iowa State University 123 Office & Lab Bldg. Ames, Iowa 50011 Office: (515) 294-8674 Main: (515) 294-3555 Fax: (515) 294-9933 ------------------------------------------------------------------ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: zizi zhao Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: looking for PDF 3 reader Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:52:37 -0500 Organization: @univ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6adklk$he5@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: ziziz@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.8.69 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:32258 comp.sys.next.misc:27496 any PDF 3 reader for *STEPs? thanks, ZZ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: Andrew Weiss Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Newbie to Intel Mach needs help with SCSI Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:23:00 -0500 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 41 Message-ID: <34C4DD74.41C6@alfred.duch.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.duch.udel.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX64 6.2 IP28) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29593 comp.sys.next.bugs:4804 comp.sys.next.hardware:32088 comp.sys.next.misc:27497 comp.sys.next.software:32261 I have an AMD 586 133 X5 on a greenboard with PCI/ISA/VLB. My SCSI card is a BusLogic BT958 Ultra Wide. I keep getting BLC Timeouts when Resetting the SCSI bus. This continues over and over again, so when the machine is boot with SCSI drivers, it will never get past this stage. Anyone get this card working, or have experience with it. My SCSI devices didn't seem to make a difference when connected in various combos, or disconnected... it works in Linux, Win95, and Solaris x86. Sony CDU 926S Writer on ID5 Iomega 1GB JAZ on ID 4. Everything is terminated properly, and the card is detected properly by Configure.app IRQ 11 PCI Dev 12 Func 0 something else 0 Andrew -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A waist is a terrible thing to mind" -The United We Grow Poundage Fund "Windows OS's...Software that's missing a wheel, and has a denver boot on the others...reBOOT reBOOT reBOOT" -Me ANDREW J. WEISS Odd computer Hack, Sailing Guru, Chem nerd (thanks to Aaron), UNIX dweeb (Thanks to Pam), and taken (thanks to Shirin) -COOL he works with LINUX, NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP IRIX OpenBSD 2.1 Mac68k (IIx/8/1080) Solaris 2.5.1 x86 and SParC and coming soon: Rhapsody cactopus@alfred.duch.udel.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: alexcoro@aol.com (Alexcoro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: /usr/template/client Date: 25 Jan 1998 02:45:52 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19980125024500.VAA00674@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com How can I "start over" using /usr/template/client ? Thanks! Alex Alex Hartley Alex Hartley and Associates 909.924.2309 909.924.6293 fax #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <6aep6j$5tf$8110@heliodor.xara.net> Control: cancel <6aep6j$5tf$8110@heliodor.xara.net> Date: 25 Jan 1998 07:21:57 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: marias@usa.net Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet X-Original-Subject: SPAM - Under Age School girls X-Original-Date: 25 Jan 1998 07:21:55 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.126.95.111 X-Original-From: marias@usa.net X-CosmoTraq: SUZ/PJTJ#P88R*C_OGA+?NG="'K!HW=1*4JY#39."(@+.P7_'IX2FRX) X-Cancel-ID: +*:>F2`STOTKUV2]-DGVPUS6SLE08P(M6P>4[69Y)O.,!O[Y@),R78LW X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.duesseldorf.ecrc.net!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!uni-duisburg.de!news.uni-essen.de!spo109!not-for-mail From: phy070@spo109 (H.-R. Oberhage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NeXTStep/OpenStep installation Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Date: 21 Jan 1998 10:39:48 GMT Organization: Universitaet Essen GH, Germany Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6a4j9k$f881@mx2.hrz.uni-essen.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: spf109.power.uni-essen.de X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29594 comp.sys.next.hardware:32089 comp.sys.next.software:32263 comp.sys.next.misc:27499 comp.sys.next.bugs:4805 Andrew Weiss (cactopus@alfred.duch.udel.edu) wrote: : On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, James Moyer wrote: : [...] : oversight on NeXT's part, when mixing SCSI and IDE. I think the IDE : CD-ROM taking sc0 may have something to do with it... might not like a : mixed bus... I have a BusLogic 958 Ultra-Wide card with a CDU926s on ID 5 : (CD-writer), and an Iomega Jaz 1GB on ID 4. No, it's not the mixing! SCSI and EIDE run for me together just fine at least since NS 3.3 up to (now) OS 4.2. One thing is very important: in the ordering of the bootdrivers (or active drivers, but (E)IDE and SCSI ususally are bootdrivers) in the System.config/*.table (* being Default and/ or Instance0), the SCSI-driver has to precede(!) the (E)IDE-driver. Otherwise an (E)IDE CD-Drive is detected "too early" and gets e.g. the pseudeo-sd0-name and then the SCSI-driver is confused because it thinks its devices are sd0 up to sd(n). First SCSI, then EIDE guarantees, that sd0 to sd(n) are 'real' SCSI devices and ATAPI-devices (CDs) get pseudos sd(n+1) to (well whatever). This was necessary with NS 3.3 and works with OS 4.2 - I never tried to arbitrarily give OS 4.2 the 'wrong' order, so I can't insist that it is necessary for OS 4.x, too, but I assume it is; didn't want to test if my system gets into chaos (again) :-). Although the ordering is/should be vital and necessary it, most probably won't help you with your SCSI bus resets, as these are a problem of either hardware or the driver not properly working with the adapter/ controler card. : : Any thoughts from anybody else as well? Just these. They might improve your system :-), but not solve your problem :-(, sorry. Greetings, Ruediger Oberhage -- H.-R. Oberhage Mail: Univ.-GH Essen E-Mail: phy070@sp2.power.Uni-Essen.DE Fachbereich 7 (Physik) ruediger@Theo-Phys.Uni-Essen.DE S05 V07 E88 Universitaetsstrasse 5 Phone: (+49) 201 / 183-2493 D-45117 Essen, Germany FAX: (+49) 201 / 183-2120 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: Andrew Weiss Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.admin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SCSI problems, and sound Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:33:50 -0500 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 60 Message-ID: <34C1A24E.446B@alfred.duch.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.duch.udel.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX64 6.2 IP28) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.hardware:32092 comp.sys.next.bugs:4807 comp.sys.next.misc:27500 I just installled OpenSTEP 4.2 Intel Mach, but am having problems with my SCSI card. No matter how I configure the card, I still get the following over and over again: Resetting the SCSI Bus Configuring sc1 (sc0 is my ATAPI CD) BTC Timeout Resetting SCSI Bus BTC Timeout .... etc. I have a Bus Logic Ultra Wide 958 PCI Adapter... anyone else work with these? My motherboard is a generic greenboard, and the CPU AMD 586 133 X5 P75. Everything works fine otherwise... though an annoying thing is the boot: PnP BIOS Detected PnP Enabled... something 0xfff csn=255 and then it counts slowly through 255 non-existant plug and play devices... Cannot configure Card... something 1 " " 2 .... 255 My friend's Pentium Laptop said csn 0 and didn't do anything else. Also his Laptop is a ThinkPad C760i, though he can't get video out of the VGA bW:2 mode... it supports 800x600x256 though in Win95. Also my SoundBlaster 16 works (non PnP), but after playing about 5 or so sounds stops playing any sounds. Any clues, though the SCSI problem is most important. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A waist is a terrible thing to mind" -The United We Grow Poundage Fund "Windows OS's...Software that's missing a wheel, and has a denver boot on the others...reBOOT reBOOT reBOOT" -Me ANDREW J. WEISS Odd computer Hack, Sailing Guru, Chem nerd (thanks to Aaron), UNIX dweeb (Thanks to Pam), and taken (thanks to Shirin) -COOL he works with LINUX, NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP IRIX OpenBSD 2.1 Mac68k (IIx/8/1080) Solaris 2.5.1 x86 and SParC and coming soon: Rhapsody cactopus@alfred.duch.udel.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail From: beaucham@news.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 25 Jan 1998 03:05:39 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmp-rs.music.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Timothy J. Luoma (NOSPAM@ALL.PLS) wrote: : : Well, there's no reason for it *not* to be, and plenty of reasons for it to : be. : : There are still a lot of UNIX programs for which one really must use the : commandline. I thought it might be against Macintosh "religion". Certainly, we've never been able to look at Mac files with an 'ls' command before. Jim Beauchamp j-beauch@uiuc.edu #################################################################### From: "Clemmensen" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 21 Jan 1998 03:29:59 GMT Organization: ObjectWare, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mnet02-53.austin.texas.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!roka.net!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news.he.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!nntp.texas.net!news.texas.net!not-for-mail Its in RDR and I doubt it will be removed or if so, it'll be availabe as an extra install option or something you can download. I don't think anything as concerns what will be included in FCS is cast in concrete yet. -- Geert B. Clemmensen Frontline Software, Inc. www.frontline-software.dk gclem@frontline-software.dk James Beauchamp wrote in article <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>... > As a NeXTStep user who uses the Terminal app a lot, I'm wondering if the new > Rhapsody for the Power Mac will include this app in its collection. Does > anybody know what the plans are? > > Jim Beauchamp > j-beauch@uiuc.edu > #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Resources on the Net Supersedes: <15507885099622@digifix.com> Date: 25 Jan 1998 04:58:54 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 330 Approved: sanguish@digifix.com Message-ID: <345885704420@digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com X-Mailer: Perl5 Mail::Internet v1.23 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.advocacy:93431 comp.sys.next.announce:4548 comp.sys.next.hardware:32095 comp.sys.next.software:32266 comp.sys.next.misc:27503 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29596 comp.sys.next.bugs:4808 comp.sys.next.programmer:27449 Topics include: Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites NeXTanswers Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Sites ============================================ The following sites are a sample of the OpenStep related WWW sites available. A comprehensive list is available on Stepwise. Stepwise OpenStep/Rhapsody Information Server http://www.stepwise.com Stepwise has been serving the OpenStep/NEXTSTEP community since March 1993. Some of the many resources on the site include: OpenStep Third Party Software guide, Developer Directory, Mailing List information, extensive listing of FTP and WWW sites related to OpenStep and NEXTSTEP, OpenStep related Frequently Asked Questions. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. NeXT Software Archives @ Peak.org http://www.peak.org/next http://www.peak.org/openstep PEAK is the premier NeXTStep/OpenStep FTP site in North America. This is the World Wide Web interace to the FTP site. Apple Enterprise Software Group (formerly NeXT Computer, Inc.) http://www.next.com Here is where you'll find the NeXTanswers archive, with information on OpenStep installation, drivers and software patches. Apple Computer's 'Prelude to Rhapsody' Self Support Site http://devworld.apple.com/dev/prelude.html This site has been constructed to help you help yourself to learn as much as possible about the foundation for Rhapsody, today's OPENSTEP. The site provides an informal collection of pointers, references, and starting points for developers who are using the Prelude to Rhapsody bundle, distributed at this year's Worldwide Developer Conference. OpenStep/NEXTSTEP/Rhapsody Related Usenet Newsgroups ==================================================== COMP.SYS.NEXT.ADVOCACY This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Messages posted to announce should NOT be posted or crossposted to any other comp.sys.next groups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.BUGS A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT-specific groups as well. COMP.SYS.NEXT.HARDWARE Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MARKETPLACE NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. COMP.SYS.NEXT.MISC For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! COMP.SYS.NEXT.PROGRAMMER Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SOFTWARE This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. COMP.SYS.NEXT.SYSADMIN Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. ** RELATED NEWSGROUPS ** COMP.SOFT-SYS.NEXTSTEP Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. COMP.LANG.OBJECTIVE-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. COMP.OBJECT Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original comp.sys.next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News =========================================== Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep next-advocacy next-announce next-bugs next-hardware next-marketplace next-misc next-programmer next-software next-sysadmin object lang-objective-c (For a full description, send mail to listserv@antigone.com). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as Majordomo's. To subscribe, send a message to *-request@lists.best.com saying: subscribe where * is the name of the list e.g. next-programmer-request@lists.best.com Major OpenStep/NEXTSTEP FTP sites ================================= ftp://ftp.next.peak.org The main site for North American submissions formerly ftp.cs.orst.edu ftp://ftp.peanuts.org: (Peanuts) Located in Germany. Comprehensive archive site. Very well maintained. ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/comp/next NeGeN/NiNe (NEXTSTEP Gebruikers Nederland/NeXTSTEP in the Netherlands) ftp://cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp://ftp.nmr.embl-heidelberg.de/pub/next eduStep ftp://ftp.next.com: See below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ===================================== [from the document ftp://ftp.next.com/pub/NeXTanswers/1000_Help] Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, read them on the world-wide web, transfer them by anonymous ftp, or download them from the BBS. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to nextanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification REPLY-TO address sets the e-mail address NeXTanswers uses These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS VIA THE WORLD-WIDE WEB To use NeXTanswers via the Internet World-Wide Web connect to NeXT's web server at URL http://www.next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to nextanswers-request@next.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY MODEM To use NeXTanswers via modem call the NeXTanswers BBS at (415) 780-2965. Log in as the user "guest", and enter the Files section. From there you can download NeXTanswers documents. FOR MORE HELP... If you need technical support for NEXTSTEP beyond the information available from NeXTanswers, call the Support Hotline at 1-800-955-NeXT (outside the U.S. call +1-415-424-8500) to speak to a NEXTSTEP Technical Support Technician. If your site has a NeXT support contract, your site's support contact must make this call to the hotline. Otherwise, hotline support is on a pay-per-call basis. Thanks for using NeXTanswers! _________________________________________________________________ Written by: Eric P. Scott ( eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU ) and Scott Anguish ( sanguish@digifix.com ) Additions from: Greg Anderson ( Greg_Anderson@afs.com ) Michael Pizolato ( alf@epix.net ) Dan Grillo ( dan_grillo@next.com ) #################################################################### From: Andrew Weiss Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NeXTStep/OpenStep installation Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:37:55 -0500 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 48 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.duch.udel.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: James Moyer In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980120185759.0092d3b0@osu.edu> Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!roka.net!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.udel.edu!alfred.duch.udel.edu!cactopus Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29597 comp.sys.next.hardware:32097 comp.sys.next.software:32267 comp.sys.next.misc:27504 comp.sys.next.bugs:4809 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, James Moyer wrote: > It sounds like you correctly load the driver, but then the computer just > comes to a halt. Is that correct? > > James Moyer Yes that was correct, but I figured out how to fix it. After the CD essentials installation, I drop into single user mode and edit /private/Drivers/i386/System.config/Default.table, and take out things like BusMouse, PS2Mouse (I have a serial mouse), PCIC, PCMCIA, and most importantly Intel82x0 something bridge PCI chip driver. I don't have this, and I think this one is the culprit, though BusMouse crashes my friend's Pentium laptop. Then it works like a charm. Only problem now is the SCSI driver... when installed it BTC timeouts infinitely and keeps resetting the bus over and over and over.....All other OS's work, so it can't be the operating system, nor the CPU, and its most likely an oversight on NeXT's part, when mixing SCSI and IDE. I think the IDE CD-ROM taking sc0 may have something to do with it... might not like a mixed bus... I have a BusLogic 958 Ultra-Wide card with a CDU926s on ID 5 (CD-writer), and an Iomega Jaz 1GB on ID 4. Any thoughts from anybody else as well? Andrew ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A waist is a terrible thing to mind" -The United We Grow Poundage Fund "Windows OS's...Software that's missing a wheel, and has a denver boot on the others...reBOOT reBOOT reBOOT" -Me ANDREW J. WEISS Odd computer Hack, Sailing Guru, Chem nerd (thanks to Aaron), UNIX dweeb (Thanks to Pam), and taken (thanks to Shirin) -COOL he works with LINUX, NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP IRIX OpenBSD 2.1 Mac68k (IIx/8/1080) Solaris 2.5.1 x86 and SParC and coming soon: Rhapsody cactopus@alfred.duch.udel.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 25 Jan 1998 04:29:02 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com In-Reply-To: <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00079 On 01/24/98, James Beauchamp wrote: >Timothy J. Luoma (NOSPAM@ALL.PLS) wrote: >: >: Well, there's no reason for it *not* to be, and plenty of reasons for it to >: be. >: >: There are still a lot of UNIX programs for which one really must use the >: commandline. > >I thought it might be against Macintosh "religion". Certainly, we've never >been able to look at Mac files with an 'ls' command before. > There is no question that there are a number of folks who are ignorant of, or afraid of the command line , and want it removed completely. They don't subscribe to the "if you don't want to use it, don't use it" doctrine. -- Scott Anguish NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.206.0.75!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!198.6.0.87!uunet!in2.uu.net!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!not-for-mail From: Marshall Smith Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: NeXT Black Hardware -- Alternative OS? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:27:39 -0500 Organization: ISSC South Region, RTP, NC Lines: 28 Message-ID: <34CB59EA.4F641120@eos.ncsu.edu> References: <34C2C896.43CAEE08@ix.netcom.com> <885243787.519597@globe.uwaterloo.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: marvinmartian.raleigh.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:32271 comp.sys.next.misc:27506 comp.soft-sys.nextstep:3391 For Linux info, see http://www.black.linux-m68k.org (META-Refreshed to geocities, but this is easier to remember) Marshall David Evans wrote: > In article <34C2C896.43CAEE08@ix.netcom.com>, smd3 wrote: > >I'm wondering if there are alternative (FREE) operating systems for this > >hardware? > > There's Plan 9 but that's not free. Some folks were supposedly working on > Linux but I don't know if they got anywhere. > > >It has system release 2.1, I don't even know if that is very > >old, but I imagine it is. > > > > 3.0 came out in late 1992 as I recall. > > -- > David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca > Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ > University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer > Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.175.105.36!news.wa-k20.net!news.wsu.edu!awhitema From: awhitema@scs.wsu.edu (Aaron Whiteman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:43:40 -0800 Organization: SCS, Washington State University Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xtsd0501.it.wsu.edu X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 In article <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com>, (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: >In <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > >> There is no question that there are a number of folks who are >> ignorant of, or afraid of the command line , and want it removed >> completely. > >While I don't doubt this, I find its level of stupidity staggering. > I find this comment just a tad insulting. I dont doubt the power of the command line at all. I use it all the time with the various unixes i work with (happily I might add). However, and I think Apple does have it right here, i _dont_ want to ever _need_ the command line. There will be times, if I have a command line, I will _want_ to use it for speed, but I dont ever want to be forced out of the Finder paradigm. It isnt stupidity, its an aversion to typing, and getting back "command not found" or some other error... Granted, that doesnt happen (as much) under unix as it did in dos (gotta love bash), but users that had bad experiences with command lines dont want to see it again. Remember, MacOS (the only OS that has no CLI that I know of) was designed for idiots. Its the kind of computer I can give my mother, and not worry too much. I couldnt do that with dos, nor any other os that requires a CLI. Rhapsody, though is to be a "server OS"... meaning it wont be for my mother, it will be for the ppl who need it or want it. For that reason, the CLI has to be there. -- Aaron Whiteman -- awhitema@scs.wsu.edu Though I use a Macintosh, I am not a Mac-Bigot. I just hate windows. All spam will be sent to /dev/null -- I wont read it, so dont send it. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 25 Jan 1998 17:04:48 GMT Organization: none Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: sanguish@digifix.com In <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > There is no question that there are a number of folks who are > ignorant of, or afraid of the command line , and want it removed > completely. While I don't doubt this, I find its level of stupidity staggering. They probably won't ever use /bin/sh too, why not get rid of it? > They don't subscribe to the "if you don't want to use it, don't use it" > doctrine. Probably afraid they will accidentally trip over it and delete their HD. Tj"ISpendMostOfMyLifeAtTheCommandLine"L -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: nurban@crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (Nathan Urban) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 25 Jan 1998 15:46:43 -0500 Organization: Data Systems Consulting, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6ag8bj$tbl$1@crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Reply-To: nurban@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: crib.bevc.blacksburg.va.us In article , awhitema@scs.wsu.edu (Aaron Whiteman) wrote: > In article <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com>, (Timothy J. Luoma) > NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > >In <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > >> There is no question that there are a number of folks who are > >> ignorant of, or afraid of the command line , and want it removed > >> completely. > >While I don't doubt this, I find its level of stupidity staggering. > I find this comment just a tad insulting. You shouldn't. > I dont doubt the power of the command line at all. I use it all the time > with the various unixes i work with (happily I might add). However, and I > think Apple does have it right here, i _dont_ want to ever _need_ the > command line. Yes, but that wasn't the point, and not what he was calling stupid. He was calling stupid the people who want the command line removed entirely. This has nothing to do with those who don't want the command line to be required. [Followups to comp.sys.next.advocacy.] #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 25 Jan 1998 23:00:44 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 75 Message-ID: <6agg6s$nbr$1@news.digifix.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com In-Reply-To: X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00079 On 01/25/98, Aaron Whiteman wrote: >In article <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com>, (Timothy J. Luoma) >NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > >>In <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: >> >>> There is no question that there are a number of folks who are >>> ignorant of, or afraid of the command line , and want it removed >>> completely. >> >>While I don't doubt this, I find its level of stupidity staggering. >> > >I find this comment just a tad insulting. > I don't think you should. Unless you are one of those who feel that Terminal.app should be removed from the install because you don't want to use it. >I dont doubt the power of the command line at all. I use it all the time >with the various unixes i work with (happily I might add). However, and I >think Apple does have it right here, i _dont_ want to ever _need_ the >command line. I'm not saying you SHOULD ever need it. >There will be times, if I have a command line, I will >_want_ to use it for speed, but I dont ever want to be forced out of the >Finder paradigm. Again, I'm not saying you should >It isnt stupidity, its an aversion to typing, and >getting back "command not found" or some other error... Granted, that >doesnt happen (as much) under unix as it did in dos (gotta love bash), but >users that had bad experiences with command lines dont want to see it >again. > So they shouldn't launch Terminal.app if they don't want to use it. >Remember, MacOS (the only OS that has no CLI that I know of) was designed >for idiots. Its the kind of computer I can give my mother, and not worry >too much. I couldnt do that with dos, nor any other os that requires a >CLI. > I'm not saying that there should be a REQUIREMENT that you use the CLI. I'm saying don't remove terminal.app just to allay the fears of the uninformed. >Rhapsody, though is to be a "server OS"... meaning it wont be for my >mother, it will be for the ppl who need it or want it. For that reason, >the CLI has to be there. > -- Scott Anguish NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 25 Jan 1998 23:03:43 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com In-Reply-To: <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00079 On 01/25/98, Timothy J. Luoma wrote: >In <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > >> There is no question that there are a number of folks who are >> ignorant of, or afraid of the command line , and want it removed >> completely. > >While I don't doubt this, I find its level of stupidity staggering. > I'm not sure stupidity is accurate. Fear perhaps. >They probably won't ever use /bin/sh too, why not get rid of it? > There are obvious technical reasons for that.. :_) >> They don't subscribe to the "if you don't want to use it, don't use it" >> doctrine. > >Probably afraid they will accidentally trip over it and delete their HD. > I've heard their arguments. Its more a matter of them wanting to force developers to create GUI interfaces instead of command line tools. Sadly the refuse to just vote with their pocketbook and not buy the products that don't work the way they want. (Apps that require the use of the command line to do something). -- Scott Anguish NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 25 Jan 1998 23:53:58 GMT Organization: none Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6agjam$heb$18@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) In <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > I've heard their arguments. Its more a matter of them wanting > to force developers to create GUI interfaces instead of command line > tools. Then I retain my argument that it is a stupid reason. It will cut down on what is available and how fast. For example, what if I want to login to my box and run 'pine' ? What about ssh? lynx? (yes I still use lynx even with OmniWeb and a fast Internet connection) nslookup? ping? grep? Who is going to write a GUI to: grep "^Subject:" mbox |sort|uniq|openfile ? And if they did, what will it do? Bloat bloat bloat. Dumb da dumb dumb. TjL ps -- sorry this should probably be in advocacy but there's too much noise over there to try and carry on any sensible conversations. -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.eerie.fr!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 26 Jan 1998 00:23:11 GMT Organization: none Lines: 97 Message-ID: <6agl1f$heb$19@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: awhitema@scs.wsu.edu In Aaron Whiteman wrote: > In article <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com>, (Timothy J. Luoma) > NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > > >In <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > > > >> There is no question that there are a number of folks who are > >> ignorant of, or afraid of the command line , and want it removed > >> completely. > > > >While I don't doubt this, I find its level of stupidity staggering. > > I find this comment just a tad insulting. Sorry to hear that. > i _dont_ want to ever _need_ the command line. Do you really expect that you will ever be able to do everything you want to do from the commandline? I can't imagine it. There's too much power in the | to ever remove the commandline. Rhapsody will be UNIX powered. That means there will be a whole host of UNIX utilities available for it. I want to be able to use them all. I want Rhapsody to make it easier for me to use them, compile them (ie POSIX POSIX POSIX), and install them. But how are you ever going to keep ahead of the programs that are made available by having GUIs for them? Don't get me wrong, I'd love GUI manipulations of sendmail, with check-box configuration. Same with tcp_wrappers and so on. > I dont ever want to be forced out of the Finder paradigm. It isnt > stupidity, its an aversion to typing, and getting back "command not found" > or some other error... Again, if you don't want to use it, just don't use it. Simple. Easy. Until the finder can run netstat, limit it to just the active connections on the second ethernet card, select just the 4th and 5th fields of the output and display them in tabbed format while in the middle of a FOR loop, I won't even consider it a likely replacement.... and even then.... > Granted, that doesnt happen (as much) under unix as it did in dos (gotta > love bash), but users that had bad experiences with command lines dont want > to see it again. so..... don't use it.... This doesn't seem very complex. If they had bad experience with DOS (are there any others?) then they should have an aversion to DOS. If they can't use the 'which' and 'man' command to find out what they want to do, then they shouldn't try it. But those who know what we are doing shouldn't be limited to the fear/stupidity of those who don't know how to use it. I don't mean to sound as arrogant as I know I do when I am saying these things. But it is the same thing as with my car. Once I open the hood to my car I know how to check the oil and the washer fluid. If I tried to do anything else I'd more than likely kill myself or destroy the engine. So what does that mean? Should Chevy solder the hood shut so I don't pour oil in the antifreeze? No, I just shouldn't tinker where I don't have a clue what I'm doing. I don't even know why this is an issue. > Remember, MacOS (the only OS that has no CLI that I know of) was designed > for idiots. Its the kind of computer I can give my mother, and not worry > too much. I couldnt do that with dos, nor any other os that requires a > CLI. Mac, IMO, has to grow up. In doing so, it needs to retain its user-friendliness which is unsurpassed. Believe me, every time I have to tinker with my hardware I wish it was a Mac (who designed the motherboard where I have to remove the existing RAM to add more?) It shouldn't "require" the CLI for regular users. Installing software and utilities should be GUI. Network Admin should be GUI. PPP should be GUI (oh vei yea!) But there will never be GUI front ends to all the UNIX utilities. For that we need the CL. We're drifting to advocacy posts. Email may be better if you want to continue (since I don't generally read csn.advocacy) TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!ironhorse.plsys.co.uk!not-for-mail From: mmalcolm crawford Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Free version of Web Objects Date: 26 Jan 1998 18:45:24 GMT Organization: P&L Systems Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6ailk4$18f$3@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> References: <34B99A4F.58479239@students.wisc.edu> Reply-To: mmalcolm crawford NNTP-Posting-Host: pheasant.plsys.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: jmgreene@students.wisc.edu In <34B99A4F.58479239@students.wisc.edu> Jack Morrison Greene wrote: > I'm new to NeXTSTEP, but I became interested in the platform last year > when the NeXT was bought by Apple. I have a Color Turbo that should be > arriving at my house any day now, so I've spent the last few days > downloading software for my new machine. One of the programs that > looked pretty cool was the free version of Web Objects, Web Wscript i > believe it was called. From what I read, this a pretty cool aplication > for anyone who wants to design web pages with dynamic content. Does > anyone know where I could find a copy? > It was discontinued a while back (after WO2.x I think); you can buy the most recent version for academic use for $300 or so. Best wishes, mmalc. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!pushkin.conxion.com!ultra.sonic.net!fozztexx From: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 26 Jan 1998 19:42:50 GMT Organization: Napa Valley College Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6aiovq$kj4$1@ultra.sonic.net> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: game-genie.nvc.cc.ca.us In article , Aaron Whiteman wrote: >Remember, MacOS (the only OS that has no CLI that I know of) Get yourself a copy of MPW. -- Chris Osborn FozzTexx Enterprises 707 226 7629 - Voice 2136 Coronado Ave. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94559 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!164.67.80.81!news.ucla.edu!not-for-mail From: "Rick Vazquez" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Intel Help!! Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:44:46 -0800 Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6ain18$jd0$1@uni.library.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts39-8.wla.ts.ucla.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hello, I have a cube and and Intel P5 166MMX. I want to install NeXT step on my PC, but I am having some problems. 1) I have a 1535 Adaptec 2) I am tring to use the old (black) NeXT CD-rom drive, set to scsi id2 3) I am tring to install onto a SyQuest 270 drive. I go through and I get an error that it can't find a cd rom or scsi card!! Can some one help? Rick UCLA Physics #################################################################### From: markm3leit@aol.com (MARKM3LEIT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Attn:TGM? Your E mail Reply to WhatsMy Domain Date: 21 Jan 1998 15:12:06 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19980121151201.KAA20966@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!roka.net!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Would whomever replied via email to my whats my domain name please resend. I went a little wild deleting spam and got you too!! Thanks for replying Mark #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail From: beaucham@news.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 27 Jan 1998 04:15:14 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6ajn0i$jka$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmp-rs.music.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] James Beauchamp (beaucham@news.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : Timothy J. Luoma (NOSPAM@ALL.PLS) wrote: : : : : Well, there's no reason for it *not* to be, and plenty of reasons for it to : : be. : : : : There are still a lot of UNIX programs for which one really must use the : : commandline. : : I thought it might be against Macintosh "religion". Certainly, we've never : been able to look at Mac files with an 'ls' command before. : : Jim Beauchamp : j-beauch@uiuc.edu What will happen if a Mac user tries to launch a non-GUI Unix program? Actually, this is something that has annoyed me about NeXTStep, the fact that I can't do that. I've seen GUI apps launched by command line ones, however. (Another annoyance is that GUI apps don't ever seem to know the directory from which they are launched, but that's a minor complaint.) These things aside, I'm looking forward to a version of NeXTStep with a terminal app on a fast machine that also has a good GUI and built-in features -- like 16-bit stereo sound. The black NeXT has great sound features, which never seemed to work right on the Intel version, but Apple's mac also has good sound. I hope it will be accessible from the command line, as it is on the NeXT. I guess the main reason I like the terminal app, however, is that I like to a lot of C programming for research, and that is much easier to do with a command line interface. GUI features can be launched from the command line, if a decent graphics library is available. (I've been writing graphics as EPS files, and I hope Preview will be available on Rhapsody.) Jim j-beauch@uiuc.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <6ajncm$8sc$324@news.megsinet.net> Control: cancel <6ajncm$8sc$324@news.megsinet.net> Date: 27 Jan 1998 04:22:12 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: emailmadness@yahoo.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.133.72.20!news.megsinet.net!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Free Marketing Leads - With Software X-Original-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:19:21 PST X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.81.149.50 X-Original-From: emailmadness@yahoo.com X-CosmoTraq: HSH+RH&J5^"`CF"4QWJ'%'E8.'\-3?M=AT*-"1UY$M=B!2?^&,\O_A1. X-Cancel-ID: V)=B7=ONEL$<@U76E:@/M`C'DHT+'L;Q3+.%!L78/^0X]\*].T[V(7SC X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.125.85.9!news.mv.net!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnews.unl.edu!manager From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 27 Jan 1998 06:46:42 GMT Organization: Spontaneous Freelance Network Consulting, UnInc. 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X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] William Paul Vrotney (vrotney@netcom.com) wrote: : : Mr. Luoma is justified in his comment. The absurdity about the dangers of a : CLI can be demonstrated by a simple mind experiment. Joe Blow writes an app : called : : DeleteAllMyFilesWithoutAsking : Would that be something like "rm -f -r *" ? -- Do not send mail to this account. Really. "Talk about silly conspiracy theories..." -Wayne Schlitt in unl.general This post (C)1998, Josh Hesse. Quoted material is (C) of the person quoted. |ess|erb|unl|u| ##THIS SPACE## How's my posting? 1-800-DEV-NULL email: jh|e@h|ie.|.ed| ## FOR RENT ## .Sigfile freshness date: 1/20/98 "On the Internet no one knows you're a dog... unless you're busily biting everyone and crapping on the 'net carpet." -Cliff Sharp in nana.email #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.60.22.3!xmission!not-for-mail From: don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 27 Jan 1998 07:21:03 GMT Organization: MiscKit Development Lines: 39 Message-ID: <6ak1sv$i9s$1@news.xmission.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6ajvsi$5vo@crcnis3.unl.edu> Reply-To: don@misckit.com NNTP-Posting-Host: brain.misckit.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) wrote: > William Paul Vrotney (vrotney@netcom.com) wrote: > : > : Mr. Luoma is justified in his comment. The absurdity about > : the dangers of a CLI can be demonstrated by a simple mind > : experiment. Joe Blow writes an app called > : > : DeleteAllMyFilesWithoutAsking > > Would that be something like "rm -f -r *" ? Nah. It would be more like this: "rm -rf ~/* ; rm -rf * ; rm -rf /" A little mroe complex, but potentially much more pernicious. To add some value to this discussion, to prevent the CLI from being as "dangerous", just put this in your ~/.cshrc (if you use csh as your shell): alias rm rm -i alias mv mv -i alias cp cp -i That will make every command that would delete or overwrite a file ask for confirmation first. Gets annoying _real_ fast, but there it is... Note that many places have those commands in the .cshrc template that goes into new accounts so that newbies don't bite themselves. The assumption is that once they know enough to find and delete those commands from their ~/.cshrc, they are ready to fly without a net. With a little careful thought, a good sysadmin _can_ make UNIX a little bit friendlier to the beginner... -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com My home page #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!newspump.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <6ajp1p$8sc$906@news.megsinet.net> Control: cancel <6ajp1p$8sc$906@news.megsinet.net> Date: 27 Jan 1998 04:50:34 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: 3239@3239.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.133.72.20!news.megsinet.net!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: 1593 X-Original-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:47:39 PST X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.81.149.50 X-Original-From: 3239@3239.com X-CosmoTraq: `\H;6I%*]S`@O]`5IGNWU3A92<\<_?OXXQ7&U% X-Commentary: Spam is lame. Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!quern.demon.co.uk!jonathan From: jonathan@quern.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Sanderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:19:00 +0000 Message-ID: <1d3hk7u.1fpddkk1lid2nxN@quern.demon.co.uk> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> <6agjam$heb$18@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: quern.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: quern.demon.co.uk [158.152.103.160] X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3 (unregistered) Lines: 37 wrote: > In <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > > > I've heard their arguments. Its more a matter of them wanting > > to force developers to create GUI interfaces instead of command line > > tools. > > Then I retain my argument that it is a stupid reason. It will cut down on > what is available and how fast. > > For example, what if I want to login to my box and run 'pine' ? What about > ssh? lynx? (yes I still use lynx even with OmniWeb and a fast Internet > connection) nslookup? ping? grep? Who is going to write a GUI to: > > grep "^Subject:" mbox |sort|uniq|openfile > > ? And if they did, what will it do? Bloat bloat bloat. It's a question of accessibility. If you're happy to hack a CLI, sure, you'll get way more power that way than most GUIs will let you have. Personally I'd rather be able to access *some* of that power with a simple GUI interface, so I don't have to dig out the perl books I put away years ago. Emailer filters do what *I*need* with minimal hassle, and none of the opacity of your grep example. Of course, the reverse arguement does apply - killing the CLI would be dreadfully short-sighted of Apple. The dual approach always struck me as one of the strengths of NeXTSTEP. I applaud Apple's goal of writing GUI front-ends for all the remaining bits, because I'd use those out of preference, but please, leave the CLI in place for those who want/need it. -- Jonathan Sanderson Researcher/Producer, science TV If I had more time, I would have written you a shorter letter (Pascal) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <34ccc26c.3629545@news.dracsconsulting.com> Control: cancel <34ccc26c.3629545@news.dracsconsulting.com> Date: 27 Jan 1998 02:29:28 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: jphillipsouza@usanet1.com Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.136.1.211!news.cwi.net!news.dracsconsulting.com!12.67.194.73 X-Original-Subject: Bill Clinton Guilty Or Innocent? Do we really Care? X-Original-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:06:32 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.124.53.127 X-Original-From: jphillipsouza@usanet1.com X-CosmoTraq: Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep style menu bar Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:48:35 -0500 Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fabre.act.qc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know that Rhapsody will be trying to mix the best of both the MacOS and OpenStep. One of the UI items being taken from the MacOS is the menu bar. Are there any shareware authors out there creating an OpenStep 'menu bar' that could be used in conjunction with the menubar now used in Rhapsody? Andre #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.174.5.49!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail From: beaucham@news.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 27 Jan 1998 18:33:46 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6al9aa$4pd$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6ajn0i$jka$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd2b25$af7c86c0$3e02cfcf@armaga.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmp-rs.music.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Clemmensen (gclem@frontline-software.dk) wrote: I wrote: : >Actually, this is something that has annoyed me about NeXTStep, the fact : >that I can't do that. I've seen GUI apps launched by command line ones, : : Not true, you just double-click on the file/app/icon in the file viewer. A : terminal session with a shell window will be created for you. It just : works. : : Geert You're right, with my NS 3.2 it does come up. I think it might not have with some of the previous versions. However, there is another problem, which is "where are the data files (documents)?". With a GUI you click on "open" and then search for it, which is OK. However, with Command Line, if I have the command in my path, I can just cd to the directory where my data files are and then type ... , and I'm all set. This avoids having to type out the complete path of each data file (when using a CL program invoked by a GUI click) or having to search for the data file directory (by multiple clicks) with the GUI equivalent. There are times when I enjoy using a GUI program. And there's no doubt that GUI programs are easier to learn, especially for those not cultivated in the advantages of CL. But for random research applications, you pay a heavy price for GUI development. I know because I have paid excellent students who spend months and even years developing these things. So I hope Terminal is retained in Rhapsody. However, it does go against the grain of Mac-style, and I'm wondering what the Mac/Rhapsody powers-that-be are thinking about this. Another question is, "what about the Unix C compiler?". What that be a separate software item? Jim Beauchamp #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!oleane!fdn.fr!r2d2.fdn.org!paris!news From: fuguen@paris.fdn.fr (Francois UGUEN) Subject: PRI Inspectors X-Nntp-Posting-Host: paris Message-ID: Sender: news@paris.fdn.fr Organization: Individual - PARIS - Francois UGUEN X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-00121-01 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:19:59 GMT Lines: 9 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:32289 comp.sys.next.misc:27524 Hello, I'm looking for PRI Inspectors (PRI Compression Inspector, PRI Image Inspector and PRI Sound Inspector). Who can help me? Thanks, -- Francois UGUEN NeXT-mail : fuguen@paris.fdn.fr #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!ix.netcom.com!vrotney From: vrotney@netcom.com (William Paul Vrotney) Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? In-Reply-To: sanguish@digifix.com's message of 27 Jan 1998 21:38:32 GMT Message-ID: Organization: Netcom On-Line Services References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6ajvsi$5vo@crcnis3.unl.edu> <6alk4o$rr7$1@news.digifix.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:53:20 GMT Lines: 52 Sender: vrotney@netcom6.netcom.com In article <6alk4o$rr7$1@news.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > > On 01/27/98, William Paul Vrotney wrote: > > > >In article <6ajvsi$5vo@crcnis3.unl.edu> 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh > Hesse) > >writes: > > > >> > >> William Paul Vrotney (vrotney@netcom.com) wrote: > >> : > >> : Mr. Luoma is justified in his comment. The absurdity about the > dangers of a > >> : CLI can be demonstrated by a simple mind experiment. Joe Blow > writes an app > >> : called > >> : > >> : DeleteAllMyFilesWithoutAsking > >> : > >> > >> Would that be something like "rm -f -r *" ? > >> > > > >No, that's not an app. It makes all the difference in the world for > the > >mind experiment. > > > OK... > > Stick that into a text file > > #!/bin/sh > rm -f -r *; > # DON'T REALLY DO THIS!!!! IT'LL BE BAD! > > save it to a file, make it executable. > > Double click it > The idea of an app DeleteAllMyFilesWithoutAsking as a mind experiment was not that it is hard to do but to demonstrate that it is trivial to have anything as dangerous as a CLI in an environment without a CLI. Therefore any religion that says an OS should not have a CLI is based on absurdities. -- William P. Vrotney - vrotney@netcom.com #################################################################### From: Yves Pons <100321.1674@CompuServe.COM> Subject: monitor replacement for NeXT Color? Organization: GENIFI Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,fr.comp.sys.next Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:12:46 -0500 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!149.174.211.41!news-outbound.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!arl-news-svc-8.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naac.compuserve.com Lines: 15 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.hardware:32122 comp.sys.next.misc:27526 fr.comp.sys.next:2714 Which sort of monitor could I buy in replacement for a NeXT Station Color Monitor ? Does the NeXT video board need a monitor wich support Sync on green ? I'm looking for a 17" in the low - middle range in price. Where can I find connectors to connect the NeXT male connector (3W13 I think) to the VGA connector preferably or to a BNC monitors (which are more costly)? Thanks in advance. Best regards. Yves Pons Phone : (+33) 3-85-93-00-46 Fax : (+33) 3-85-48-97-19 Email : 100321.1674@compuserve.com #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 27 Jan 1998 21:38:32 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6alk4o$rr7$1@news.digifix.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6ajvsi$5vo@crcnis3.unl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com In-Reply-To: X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00079 On 01/27/98, William Paul Vrotney wrote: > >In article <6ajvsi$5vo@crcnis3.unl.edu> 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) >writes: > >> >> William Paul Vrotney (vrotney@netcom.com) wrote: >> : >> : Mr. Luoma is justified in his comment. The absurdity about the dangers of a >> : CLI can be demonstrated by a simple mind experiment. Joe Blow writes an app >> : called >> : >> : DeleteAllMyFilesWithoutAsking >> : >> >> Would that be something like "rm -f -r *" ? >> > >No, that's not an app. It makes all the difference in the world for the >mind experiment. OK... Stick that into a text file #!/bin/sh rm -f -r *; # DON'T REALLY DO THIS!!!! IT'LL BE BAD! save it to a file, make it executable. Double click it -- Scott Anguish NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!getafix.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: john@getafix.demon.co.uk (John Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NextMail mbox convertion Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:27:56 GMT Message-ID: <885943676.8499.0.nnrp-04.9e9826e6@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: getafix.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: getafix.demon.co.uk [158.152.38.230] X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Hi, Is it posible to convert the mbox files that NextMail uses to into individual files with one email per file such as those used by something like xmh? Thanks for your help John. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 28 Jan 1998 00:34:43 GMT Organization: none Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6aluf3$e0a$3@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6ajn0i$jka$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd2b25$af7c86c0$3e02cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6al9aa$4pd$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: beaucham@news.cso.uiuc.edu In <6al9aa$4pd$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> James Beauchamp wrote: > Another question is, "what about the Unix C compiler?". What that be a > separate software item? I sure hope not.... Making at least the basic header files available (so we can use gcc at least) would make Rhapsody much easier to market. With so many free UNIXes out there it, trying to market a commercial UNIX will be somewhat of a challenge. I do not doubt, however, that Apple will continue NeXT's trend of selling the developer tools.... I hope they are really cheap.... TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextMail mbox convertion Date: 28 Jan 1998 00:37:40 GMT Organization: none Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6alukk$e0a$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <885943676.8499.0.nnrp-04.9e9826e6@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) Cc: john@getafix.demon.co.uk In <885943676.8499.0.nnrp-04.9e9826e6@news.demon.co.uk> John Shirlaw wrote: > Is it posible to convert the mbox files that NextMail uses to into individual > files with one email per file such as those used by something like xmh? Not without a lot of work. Theoretically you could send the mailbox to formail and procmail and have it save each message by itself, but you'd no doubt get some occurrences where a message was split where it should not have been or not split where it should have been. TjL -- My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + next @ luomat.peak.org #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: Yonael Teklu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hard disk problem Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:01:47 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 35 Message-ID: <34CE594B.70C6@vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ceage2.ee.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) CC: yonael@vt.edu Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29618 comp.sys.next.misc:27531 Hello: The original drive in our turbocolor nextstation crashed after almost 4 yrs of operation. We got a replacement drive, Quantum Fireball 4.3GB, which I tried to initialize and load the system on. I was not successfull at first and later found out that NeXTSTEP ver 3.0 can't handle drives over 2GB. With NeXTSTEP ver 3.3, however, the 4.3GB disk was automatically partitioned into 3 units each some 1.45GB in size. The system was installed successfully and machine was restarted. Problem now is to boot up from the drive. The Fireball is recognized in its proper target but I notice on the next line that the Disk Capacity is 40MB only! (instead of 4300MB). Further down the following messages appear: Can't open /dev/rsd1a UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, RUN fsck MANUALLY Reboot failed... mount: /dev/sd1a on /: No such device or address... mount: giving up on: Faking root mount entries # (prompt and booting stops) I took out the drive, mounted it on an external case and connected it to another NeXT machine. Builddisk app still reported it as a 40MB drive, and because of this, it can not install the packages. I have tried to format the drive using sdformat but to no avail. sdform itself thinks the device is 40MB. Is there anyother way I can fix this problem? Thank you. yona #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.60.22.3!xmission!not-for-mail From: don@misckit.com (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextMail mbox convertion Date: 28 Jan 1998 06:25:00 GMT Organization: MiscKit Development Lines: 115 Message-ID: <6amivs$1m5$1@news.xmission.com> References: <885943676.8499.0.nnrp-04.9e9826e6@news.demon.co.uk> <6alukk$e0a$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> Reply-To: don@misckit.com NNTP-Posting-Host: brain.misckit.com X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) /*(Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > In <885943676.8499.0.nnrp-04.9e9826e6@news.demon.co.uk> John Shirlaw wrote: > > > Is it posible to convert the mbox files that NextMail uses to > > into individual files with one email per file such as those > > used by something like xmh? > > Not without a lot of work. > > Theoretically you could send the mailbox to formail and procmail > and have it save each message by itself, but you'd no doubt get > some occurrences where a message was split where it should not > have been or not split where it should have been. I don't think it is that bad. If the .mbox has only text messages in it, then only the file xxx.mbox/mbox needs to be dealt with. You can just key off of the pattern "\n\nFrom " (WITHOUT a colon following the "From"!) and split before every occurence of it. The convention is that this is how Berkely mailboxes delimit messages. If there is a "\n\nFrom " in the message body, it is escaped to become "\n\n>From " so that simple-minded routines like what I am suggesting won't barf on it. If there are NeXTMail messages, then it is tougher to do, because only the headers exist in the mbox file and the body exists in an xxx.attach directory. Change the "attach" to "rtfd" on the directory name and you can open it in Edit.app, and you'll see that it is a message body without headers. Synthesizing the headers and body into one file would be tricky. So, that's about all you need to know in order to write a script or program to do the job. Should be doable in about 30 lines of C code, or just a handful of lines of "awk" code, etc. for the text only case. Have fun, and happy coding! :-) I've included below a simple minded example in C that WILL work on a text-only mbox file. (I'm better at C than awk.) Here's an example usage, calling the program "mboxsplit": % cd /Users/don/Mailboxes/Lists/ILE.mbox % ls mbox table_of_contents % mboxsplit < mbox % ls 001 008 015 022 002 009 016 023 003 010 017 024 004 011 018 mbox 005 012 019 table_of_contents 006 013 020 007 014 021 And it should work on digests, since the above mbox is full of digests, and the program worked fine on it. :-) If you run it on a mbox with NeXTMail, just remember that the NeXTMail messages will be body-less, since the bodies are in the file system as pseudo-rtfd files. Good luck, I hope that helps! -- Later, -Don Yacktman don@misckit.com My home page /* mboxsplit.c -- an embarassingly terrible hack by Don Yacktman. */ /* Placed in the public domain January 27, 1998 */ #include char *trigger = "\n\nFrom "; #define FILENAME_FORMAT "%003d" /* */ /* #define FILENAME_FORMAT "%d" /* */ main() { int j, trspot = 0; int filenum = 1; char x = ' '; char *filename = (char *)malloc(1024); FILE *output; sprintf(filename, FILENAME_FORMAT, filenum); output = fopen(filename, "w"); while (!feof(stdin)) { x = getchar(); if (!feof(stdin)) { if (!trspot) putc(x, output); if (x == trigger[trspot]) { /* step thru trigger if chars match */ trspot++; if (trspot >= strlen(trigger)) { /* got all of it! */ fprintf(output, "\n"); fclose(output); filenum++; sprintf(filename, FILENAME_FORMAT, filenum); output = fopen(filename, "w"); fprintf(output, "From "); trspot = 0; } } else { /* not right pattern, so start over */ if (trspot > 1) for (j=1; j Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 28 Jan 1998 01:00:35 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6alvvj$rqj$6@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6ajn0i$jka$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.8.169 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) beaucham@news.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) wrote: > What will happen if a Mac user tries to launch a non-GUI Unix program? > Actually, this is something that has annoyed me about NeXTStep, the fact > that I can't do that. Sure you can. For example, use the Workspace to go to /usr/bin/ls, and double-click on it. 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Spammers are bad. Lines: 9 Article cancelled as EMP/ECP, exceeding a BI of 20. The "Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines" FAQ is available at http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/faqs/spam.html Please include the X-CosmoTraq header of this message in any correspondence specific to this spam. Sick-O-Spam, Spam-B-Gon! #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 30 Jan 1998 04:26:05 GMT Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6arkot$fgq$1@news.digifix.com> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> <6agjam$heb$18@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6ar1tc$9p$1@duke.squonk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: digifix.digifix.com In-Reply-To: <6ar1tc$9p$1@duke.squonk.net> X-Newsreader: NewsFlash [$Revision: 2.275 $] NF-U-00079 On 01/29/98, Garance A Drosehn wrote: >(Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: >> In <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: >> >> > I've heard their arguments. Its more a matter of them wanting >> > to force developers to create GUI interfaces instead of command >> > line tools. >> >> Then I retain my argument that it is a stupid reason. It will >> cut down on what is available and how fast. >> >> For example, what if I want to login to my box and run 'pine' ? >> What about ssh? lynx? (yes I still use lynx even with OmniWeb >> and a fast Internet connection) nslookup? ping? grep? > >They aren't going to make it impossible to run something like >Stuart. People "who want to..." do the things you list can >get Stuart (or whatever) and just do them. I think it's a >reasonable idea to drop Terminal.app from Rhapsody itself >(at least the "user edition"), in order to encourage the >development of good GUI apps. Those who are not going to develop good GUI apps will simply say "Get Stuart or Terminal.app to do this", and it'll be just as big a fiasco. Boycott the companies that don't properly develop for the GUI. Thats the answer. -- Scott Anguish NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!news.columbia.edu!david From: david@watsol.cc.columbia.edu (David Baisley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP 3.3 vs. OPENSTEP 4.2 ? Date: 29 Jan 1998 23:05:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsol.cc.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) OKay I am confused is OPENSTEP 4.2 for mach/intel a complete OS or is it a development environment for NEXTSTEP 3.3 mach/intel? Why would someone want to use NS 3.3 over OS 4.2? If you couldn't tell by now I am a newbie to the NeXT scene. Thanks in advance for any info. David Baisley david@columbia.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!quern.demon.co.uk!jonathan From: jonathan@quern.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Sanderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:44:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1d3n3xs.1sdg18ziwoo0eN@quern.demon.co.uk> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6ajvsi$5vo@crcnis3.unl.edu> <6ak1sv$i9s$1@news.xmission.com> <1d3jc8w.nz1hb16l4euwN@quern.demon.co.uk> <6ao81c$rqj$17@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: quern.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: quern.demon.co.uk [158.152.103.160] X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3 (unregistered) Lines: 33 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Rhapsody should be easy for a normal user to administer his own personal > machine without making a production of it. Rhapsody should also be designed > in such a way that it is possible for large networks of machines running > Rhapsody to be effectively administered (by experts who have the training and > experience to manage such networks) as efficiently as possible. > > These are different goals, but they are hopefully not contradictory. Absolutely. Given that the people behind this are responsible for both the MacOS in its entirety and NeXT's NetInfo, amongst other things, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for the moment :) > > I'm certainly hoping it'll be easier and simpler to administer than > > conventional unix, and possibly easier than established OPENSTEP > > practices. 'As easy to set up as a Mac' is not the goal here - just > > 'easy to set up,' period. > > Absolutely. Just to amplify my earlier comments; MacOS is probably the easiest-to-use end-user OS out there (excepting Newton for a moment :), but I wouldn't call it 'easy to use' on any objective scale. There's a *long* way to go... I hope Rhapsody will be a start, rather than a step backwards. But a CLI interface isn't *necessarily* a step backwards. Really. -- Jonathan Sanderson Researcher/Producer, science TV If I had more time, I would have written you a shorter letter (Pascal) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.175.105.36!news.wa-k20.net!news.wsu.edu!unicorn.it.wsu.edu!davec From: David Smith Cochrane Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Am I making a smart buy? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:54:45 -0800 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: unicorn.it.wsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: davec@unicorn.it.wsu.edu Hi all. I am about to buy a color turbo station with 3.3 on it. What I want to know is that as I am going to sell my powerbook to buy it, will I be able to do all the WP work and email I want for school without having to mess with unix command line horror too much? I also want the machine to learn UNIX better, but I just need reassurance that I am making a smart buy! Thanks for any help, please reply be email!! Dave #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.eerie.fr!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-fra1.dfn.de!newshost.uni-koblenz.de!not-for-mail From: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.Drop_This.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: looking for PDF 3 reader Date: 26 Jan 1998 10:09:48 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / CC Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6ahndc$8mk$1@newshost> References: <6adklk$he5@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nifty In article <6adklk$he5@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> zizi zhao writes: > any PDF 3 reader for *STEPs? What is PDF 3 ?? The latest version of PDF is 1.2. Or should you refer to Adobe Acrobat 3.0 (which uses PDF-1.2) ? Then try PDFViewer (PDF-1.2 support since version 1.07) or PDFView (PDF-1.2 support since version 1.6 or so). Both available at ftp://ftp.peanuts.org/next/Text/apps/ Detlev Disclaimer: I'm the author of one of them (PDFViewer) -- Detlev Droege, Universitaet Koblenz, FB Informatik | Fon:+49 261 9119-421 Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany | Fax:+49 261 9119-497 NeXT/MIME/Email: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.Drop_This.de Drop the "Drop_This." part in my Email-address to reply. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!209.90.0.8!alpha.sky.net!news.squonk.net!not-for-mail From: Garance A Drosehn Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 29 Jan 1998 23:04:12 GMT Organization: Squonk-Net, Loudonville, NY 12211 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6ar1tc$9p$1@duke.squonk.net> References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> <6agjam$heb$18@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.113.24.92 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > In <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > > > I've heard their arguments. Its more a matter of them wanting > > to force developers to create GUI interfaces instead of command > > line tools. > > Then I retain my argument that it is a stupid reason. It will > cut down on what is available and how fast. > > For example, what if I want to login to my box and run 'pine' ? > What about ssh? lynx? (yes I still use lynx even with OmniWeb > and a fast Internet connection) nslookup? ping? grep? They aren't going to make it impossible to run something like Stuart. People "who want to..." do the things you list can get Stuart (or whatever) and just do them. I think it's a reasonable idea to drop Terminal.app from Rhapsody itself (at least the "user edition"), in order to encourage the development of good GUI apps. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.eerie.fr!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news99.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!192.71.180.34.MISMATCH!mn6.swip.net!seunet!news2.swip.net!nike.volvo.se!usenet From: "Håkan Jonsson" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.3 vs. OPENSTEP 4.2 ? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:11:19 +0100 Organization: Volvo Truck Corporation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34D17D16.8A935AB6@vtc.volvo.se> References: Reply-To: Hakan_Johnsson@vtc.volvo.se NNTP-Posting-Host: bd1162.got.vtc.volvo.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) David Baisley wrote: > Why would someone want to use NS 3.3 over OS 4.2? If I am not mistaken NS3.3 Developer has some Kits, e.g. 3DKit, which are not available in OS4.2. /Hakan #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail From: beaucham@news.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 30 Jan 1998 16:10:57 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6asu2h$e2a$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmp-rs.music.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Here's one answer I got: > Will Rhapsody have a Terminal Shell application? ftp.apple.com/devworld/Rhapsody/unsupported_tools/bash-2.01-2.tgz ftp.apple.com/devworld/Rhapsody/unsupported_tools/tcsh-6.07.02-2.tgz > Will it have vi and emacs? ftp.apple.com/devworld/Rhapsody/unsupported_tools/emacs-20.2-21-ppc.tgz Does this mean the tools are there, but they're just not supported? Jim Beauchamp #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.155.20.4!news.cinnetic.com!doubleu.doubleu.com!news!scott From: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Duplicating a NeXTSTEP-filesystem CD-ROM Date: 30 Jan 1998 17:18:34 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: doubleu.com In a fit of backup paranoia, I'm creating an offsite backup-box, containing things like CD-Rs of my non-OS data, tapes of entire installed systems, and CD-Rs of my system software. Unfortunately, I'm stumped on the system software. I can't quite figure out how to dupe an NS3.3 CD-ROM. I've used AerePerennius.app to write the results of dd with if=/dev/sd?a and also if=/dev/rsd?h. Neither works (in the sense of NS mounting it), though the resulting CD-R compares fine with the source data using dd. Any ideas? -- scott hess (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.155.20.4!news.cinnetic.com!doubleu.doubleu.com!news!scott From: scott@doubleu.com (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: 30 Jan 1998 16:18:10 GMT Organization: Is a sign of weakness Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <6a3m28$b9v$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <01bd261d$0105b420$8902cfcf@armaga.texas.net> <6a40pf$6vd$9@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aea63$on2$3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <6aef2e$fn$1@news.digifix.com> <6afrbg$heb$6@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> <6agjam$heb$18@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> <6ar1tc$9p$1@duke.squonk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: doubleu.com In-reply-to: Garance A Drosehn's message of 29 Jan 1998 23:04:12 GMT In article <6ar1tc$9p$1@duke.squonk.net>, Garance A Drosehn writes: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS wrote: > In <6aggcf$ner$1@news.digifix.com> Scott Anguish wrote: > > I've heard their arguments. Its more a matter of them wanting > > to force developers to create GUI interfaces instead of command > > line tools. > > Then I retain my argument that it is a stupid reason. It will > cut down on what is available and how fast. I think it's a reasonable idea to drop Terminal.app from Rhapsody itself (at least the "user edition"), in order to encourage the development of good GUI apps. The problem is that lack of command-line solutions does not encourage _or_ force development of good GUI apps. I've never stopped considering developing a GUI solution to some problem just because there's a command-line version - even though I do spend more time than most at a command-line. I'm more concerned with market possibilities than whether there's a command-line competitor. Really, look at the number of GUI mail, news, and ftp clients that are/were available for NeXTSTEP. I know, there weren't _that_ many - but not only were there GUI apps competing against a very deep team of command-line apps, but there were _multiple_ GUI apps competing. Heck, there must be eight GUI NeXTSTEP newsreaders out there. The big miss, IMHO, is with the "good" in "good GUI apps". Lack of command-line alternatives to demonstrate a decent baseline functionality would more likely result in crappy GUI apps than good GUI apps. I'd rather use a GUI a newsreader which _can_ compete with command-line GNUS/tin/srn/etc than one which doesn't have to. Later, -- scott hess (606) 578-0412 http://www.doubleu.com/ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!ais.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!digifix!not-for-mail From: "Scott Anguish" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Rhapsody have a Terminal app? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:45:49 -0500 Organization: Digital Fix Development Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6at0jj$36g$1@news.digifix.com> References: <6asu2h$e2a$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pavilion.digifix.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 James Beauchamp wrote in message <6asu2h$e2a$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>... >Here's one answer I got: > >> Will Rhapsody have a Terminal Shell application? > >ftp.apple.com/devworld/Rhapsody/unsupported_tools/bash-2.01-2.tgz >ftp.apple.com/devworld/Rhapsody/unsupported_tools/tcsh-6.07.02-2.tgz > Well, its got to have a shell, otherwise booting wouldn't work. The question had to do with Terminal.app., or rather a method of access any shell via a command-line >> Will it have vi and emacs? > >ftp.apple.com/devworld/Rhapsody/unsupported_tools/emacs-20.2-21-ppc.tgz > >Does this mean the tools are there, but they're just not supported? > likely, yes. Apple isn't really in a position to 'support' emacs is it? >Jim Beauchamp #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!jeff From: jeff@primordialsoft.com (Jeffrey Fabijanic) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 01:38:05 -0500 Organization: Primordial Software Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D796F7.4A06@poodle.nortel.ca> <34D7A504.4FEC@convex.hp.com> <34D7D959.1A3A@creative.net> <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu> <19980206200942484775@uvo-86.univie.ac.at> <6bfqa6$fho$1@hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.208.238.22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:327470 comp.sys.mac.misc:174714 comp.sys.next.advocacy:94470 comp.sys.next.misc:27618 comp.sys.newton.misc:132351 comp.sys.newton:201 Edward P Scholl wrote: > but the newton is supposed to be small... see the difference? Actually, the MessagePads are intended to be handheld and portable, both of which functions they perform admirably at the current size. Sure, I'd like an MP that was about 1/2 inch less wide and 4 oz lighter (of course, then it might not appropriate to call it a MessagePad anymore - how about "Newton HandyPad"?) Having had extensive experience with both Newts and Pilots, I have to say that the Pilot is great as an organizer, but the Newts do the personal info mgmt thang *and in addition* are stellar at mobile data collection and network access. Reading email with a Pilot is a chore - making more than pico-replies is almost out of the question. With a Pilot, taking extensive notes (as at a mtg, class, or in the field real-time) is nigh impossible, and although it's technically possible, I know of no one who uses their Pilot to professionally gather info from the web - much less uses a Pilot to control operations on remote networks. All of which the Newts do better than any other handheld available. Pilots are outstanding as introductory Personal Information Managment devices, but as people become more sophisticated in their mobile/handheld needs, the current Pilots will age *very* fast. I am looking forward to what Palm does for the next generation devices, but I sincerely hope that Apple realizes before it's too late that with the Newton they have the best mobile tech on the mkt right now, and put more resources back into it's continued development. I wish that I didn't have the sneaking suspicion that Steve Jobs has let his emotions concerning John Scully influence his opinion of tech created on Scully's watch. But that's what it looks like lately. Unfortunately, Scully isn't the one hurt by Apple's quiescence on the Newton front - it's the Newton development community, who for the last several years have poured heart and soul into trying to realize Apple's vision of elegant, accesible mobile computing technology. If Apple has a plan for the Newt, I'd wish they'd let us know it - they've outlined their strategy over the next couple years for their desktop and server hw/sw. Here at Primordial we've been doing Newton devlopment since late '96, and have a great deal of our livelyhood bound up in our expertise with this amazing platform. We're under NDA even - they could just let us know if we should keep fishing - or cut bait. As a one-time garage-entrepenuer himself, one would think that Mr Jobs would have some empathy for those of us skating along that ragged edge of innovation. Just my $0.02... ! Jeffrey Fabijanic, Designer | "The Future exists, ! Primordial Software | First in Imagination, ! "Software of the First Order" | Then in Will, ! Boston, MA * (617) 983-1369 | And finally in Reality." #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!198.6.0.87!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!fidelman From: fidelman@world.std.com (Miles R. Fidelman) Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Organization: The Center for Civic Networking X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:16:54 GMT Lines: 7 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:327477 comp.sys.mac.misc:174718 comp.sys.next.advocacy:94473 comp.sys.next.misc:27619 comp.sys.newton.misc:132352 comp.sys.newton:202 I hope somebody from Apple is passing these on to Steve Jobs, or that somebody prints out the thread and sends it. -- ************************************************************************** The Center for Civic Networking 53 N. Mead St., No. C-5 Miles R. Fidelman, President & Charlestown, MA 02129-1460 Director of Civic Networking Systems 617-241-9205 fax: 617-241-5064 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!EU.net!Ireland.EU.net!jhb From: jhb@homenet.ie (Ziggy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:45:55 +0000 Organization: EUnet Ireland customer Lines: 35 Message-ID: <19980208144555580773@db-66.dialup.eunet.ie> References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D796F7.4A06@poodle.nortel.ca> <34D7A504.4FEC@convex.hp.com> <34D7D959.1A3A@creative.net> <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu> <19980206200942484775@uvo-86.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.120.3.162 X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.2 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:327492 comp.sys.mac.misc:174733 comp.sys.next.advocacy:94475 comp.sys.next.misc:27620 comp.sys.newton.misc:132356 comp.sys.newton:203 Jon, Firstly I doubt many peopel on the group have a cluie as to the value of the Aussie dollar :) Secondly I don;t think there's much point knocking an ad campaig based on the admittedly dreadful distribution system for Mac dealers. I sympathise though, 'cos here in Ireland we have the same problem. Astromic prices and pitiful dealer quality. After being a Mac user for more than 6 years . . I have found that there is not a single reliable, honest and reasonably priced Mac distributor in Ireland. Thank God for the proximity of the UK. Most Mac users, including myself, now buy all of our Mac product and supplies via mail order from the UK. Howard Ireland Jon Naude wrote: > > Apple isn't trying to 'sell' anything, they are instead rewarding the > > consumer, a much better psychological tactic. The same tactic that Nike > > does with 'Just do it' - reward the consumer for acting, not sitting by. > > > > -Bob Cassidy > > Thanks, but paying Apple more than US$8000 for the G3 powerbook here in > Austria is not the way I want to be "rewarded" for thinking different... > -one's liable to land up on a funny farm as people believe you think so > different that you're NUTS.. > If thats the reward, I wonder what Apple's punishment would be like? > Hmm..how about $1000 (or more) for a Newton that doesn't even fit in > your pocket :-? #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!keethie From: keethie@NOSPAMaccesscom.com (keethie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 07:05:40 -0800 Organization: CGWA Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D796F7.4A06@poodle.nortel.ca> <34D7A504.4FEC@convex.hp.com> <34D7D959.1A3A@creative.net> <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu> <19980206200942484775@uvo-86.univie.ac.at> <6bfqa6$fho$1@hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2831@205.226.158.18 X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:327500 comp.sys.mac.misc:174740 comp.sys.next.advocacy:94476 comp.sys.next.misc:27621 comp.sys.newton.misc:132363 comp.sys.newton:204 A couple of friends and I are planning on buying our first Newtons (MP 2000 with keyboard and case). Does your company have a web site? I think Apple should price the Newton within the range of the PalmPilot ($400-$500 or just slightly over). If the company did that, when people saw how drop-dead cool these things are, Newtons would FLY out of the stores. Even if it took a temporary loss on the Newton, everyone would eventually benefit, users, developers, and Apple itself. Anything over $600 is just too damned expensive for most budgets to justify. Thus, everyone buys a cheaper, less-capable PalmPilot or CE machine and never have a clue as to what they're missing. The superiority of Apple products--and they are superior in so many ways--won't matter if nobody knows about it. The best way (perhaps the ONLY way) to increase that awareness is through cutthroat affordability; i.e., make it stupid NOT to buy an Apple. With the new governmental push to increase technological consciousness, someone needs to tell Clinton and Congress that Americans will go along with such a plan much easier if computing is more fun and less work. Apple holds the key. My $.02. -Keith -- Remove the words "NOSPAM" from my address before replying. #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.5!news1.infoave.net!usenet From: Lonnie Kendall Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:41:23 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Message-ID: <34DE2681.C9319C47@infoave.net> References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D796F7.4A06@poodle.nortel.ca> <34D7A504.4FEC@convex.hp.com> <34D7D959.1A3A@creative.net> <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu> <19980206200942484775@uvo-86.univie.ac.at> <6bfqa6$fho$1@hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-37.r6.nclvcr.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) Lines: 76 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:327563 comp.sys.mac.misc:174780 comp.sys.next.advocacy:94492 comp.sys.next.misc:27622 comp.sys.newton.misc:132386 comp.sys.newton:205 keethie wrote: > ... > I think Apple should price the Newton within the range of the PalmPilot > ($400-$500 or just slightly over). If the company did that, when people > saw how drop-dead cool these things are, Newtons would FLY out of the > stores. Even if it took a temporary loss on the Newton, everyone would > eventually benefit, users, developers, and Apple itself. > > Anything over $600 is just too damned expensive for most budgets to > justify. Thus, everyone buys a cheaper, less-capable PalmPilot or CE > machine and never have a clue as to what they're missing. The superiority > of Apple products--and they are superior in so many ways--won't matter if > nobody knows about it. The best way (perhaps the ONLY way) to increase > that awareness is through cutthroat affordability; i.e., make it stupid > NOT to buy an Apple. If only things were so simple...Apple has a long history of failure. They have learned how to fail. I am sure that their successes came from hard work, and a lot of imagination and creativity. But, that same imagination and creativity has developed into some very expensive failures (remember the Lisa?). Part of the problem is that (at least from the perspective of the outside looking in) it appears Apple's successes were as much a matter of luck as hard work, [the right thing at the right time.] All of us have ideas. All of us have some good ideas. Some of us have some really good ideas. But no one knows for sure what will take off and become wildly successful, or what will flop. It is very difficult in business to identify successes and failures until after one has done well or poorly. I want to believe that Steve Jobs, and other Apple executives are not making decisions based on personal feelings as some people have suggested on the InterNet. It seems likely to me that Apple will discontinue the Newton. I do not think it is likely that Apple will change the software or tweek the platform. I think they will abandon it. I have been buying computers for 17 years (not as a professional, just a computer consumer, a hobby.) I almost always studied the market and chose the brand and model that offered the best price to feature ratio, but the consuming public does not do this for the most part. They buy what someone else has. They want the cheapest thing that has the slightest possibility of working. They then feel cheated that it doesn't do more, while using their computer to do far less than they imagined when they bought it. Value, usability, power, expandability, and quality mean less to the average consumer than price, ease of use, and having about the same thing as their friends/co-workers/etc. have. Many of these people honestly see no difference between their Pilot and a Newton (other than the size.) No one who has tried the Newton out can say that it isn't a powerful, amazing, machine (even with its many problems). The difficulty is that the Newton has a 161mhz processor with a backlite screen, that one can write on, GOOD HRW, 4 megs of ram, an IRDA port that works, 2 card slots, and a lot of other features. It has never sold well enough to begin paying back the development costs. Apple cannot afford to sell the feature-full Newton for less than $600 dollars. The cost would have to come out of the executives' pockets, the share holders (not commited emotionaly to the Newton platform) would never tolerate a cut in the return on their investment. Apple isn't just risking their money, they are risking their stockholder's investment, and one cannot do that unsuccessfully and stay in business. Hence, I think they will become cautious now. In order to sell something for less than $600 dollars, one would have to make a...well, a Palm Pilot. I do not think that Apple will sell the Newton to another company, though there are many that would buy it. This would simply continue to remind every one of Apple's failure to develop and market the computer properly. Also, every day that the Newton is out of production, it loses value as an investment. The market moves on, and technology advances. Apple will likely price the Newton line too high, and the longer it takes to sell, the less any one will be willing to pay. Eventually, it will be put on a shelf along with all of Apple's other failures. The stockholders will be cheated of recovering anything from the R&D expense, and Apple's poor preformance will not be forgotten as they hope it will. I know, it is a bleak picture, but an all to familiar one. Blessings, Lon Kendall, NP lkendall@infoave.net #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!nntp.abs.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!134.139.1.31!csulb.edu!drivel.ics.uci.edu!news.service.uci.edu!rmcassid From: rmcassid@uci.edu (Robert Cassidy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:44:13 -0800 Organization: UC Irvine Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D796F7.4A06@poodle.nortel.ca> <34D7A504.4FEC@convex.hp.com> <34D7D959.1A3A@creative.net> <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin9118.slip.uci.edu X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:327669 comp.sys.mac.misc:174837 comp.sys.next.advocacy:94513 comp.sys.next.misc:27623 comp.sys.newton.misc:132418 comp.sys.newton:206 In article <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu>, nospam.bpc1@columbia.edu wrote: > I must confess, the amateur design guy in me really likes the "Think > Different" ads (esp. the television ones), though I'll be the first to > agree that they don't do anything to entice people to buy apple products > (except for the already converted). For a company trying to pull itself > together, that's a luxury it can't really afford. Actually, it is the only strategy they can afford. Telling people to rush out and buy a G3 mac is somewhat pointless if they believe that Win98 is the only OS that will be around in 12 months. Apple is telling those people that they don't need to be sheep, that they can decide for themselves and buck the trend as the other individuals they reference did. Apple is putting the consumer that supports them in the same category as Einstein - an independent thinker, not a mindless follower. *And* they are doing it in a way that does not belittle them if they currently own a PC. Apple isn't trying to 'sell' anything, they are instead rewarding the consumer, a much better psychological tactic. The same tactic that Nike does with 'Just do it' - reward the consumer for acting, not sitting by. -Bob Cassidy #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!OGN!the-fly.zip.com.au!camh From: Cameron Hutchison Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: 5 Feb 1998 04:54:23 GMT Organization: The Zipsters Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6bbglv$1om$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D91E1C.2EE0@mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.12.97.1 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Originator: camh@zipper.zip.com.au Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:327670 comp.sys.mac.misc:174838 comp.sys.next.advocacy:94514 comp.sys.next.misc:27624 comp.sys.newton.misc:132419 comp.sys.newton:207 wayne@link.co.nz (Wayne Mote) writes: >In article <34D91E1C.2EE0@mediaone.net>, costanza@mediaone.net wrote: >> Um, do you know who "the girl in the white old-fashioned flight suit" >> *was*? >Why do you and other people put f*&9ing *'s around words ?, is it really >saying that everything else you have written is just noise ?. No, Wayne. Its called *emphasis*. Usenet postings are much more conversational that other written forms of communications, and until now pretty much all conversation has been verbal. However, verbal conversation also carries non-verbal cues that are lost in a written medium. The *'s are an attempt to carry over some of these extra cues. I suppose that you speak in a flat monotonous voice, Wayne - just to be sure that none of your words are considered to be just noise, because if you raised your voice for just one word, all the rest are noise, aren't they, Wayne? I'm sure you could probably figure this out for yourself, but I guess you just wanted to stir or cause trouble. In the real world, I just wouldn't listen to what you say. Here on usenet we have the killfile. Welcome to mine. My apologies to the rest of the group for carrying an already off-topic thread further. I'll say no more. -- Cameron Hutchison (camh@zip.net.au) | Beware of the clams GCS d--@ -p+ c++(++++) l++ u+ e+ m+(-) s n- h++ f? !g w+ t r+ #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!iaxs.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!not-for-mail From: uwectbnn@BeauBlonde.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: - BEAUTIFUL BLONDE!! --(picturepost)blo0045.jpg[1/1] Date: 12 Feb 1998 15:54:02 EST Organization: None Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6bvnha$ot8$1615@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ott-on4-27.netcom.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART_BOUNDARY_TVKOAXQQSB" NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 1998 15:54:02 EST x-no-archive: yes X-Newsreader: 2.0.11 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.marketplace:20302 comp.sys.next.misc:27661 comp.sys.next.programmer:27577 --PART_BOUNDARY_TVKOAXQQSB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="test.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="test.html" Content-Base: "file:///C|/test.html" --PART_BOUNDARY_TVKOAXQQSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://204.238.155.37/biz/PREMIUM/enter.html http://204.238.155.37/biz/PREMIUM/enter.html http://204.238.155.37/biz/PREMIUM/enter.html http://204.238.155.37/biz/PREMIUM/enter.html #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!cyberspam!usenet From: uwectbnn@BeauBlonde.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <6bvnha$ot8$1615@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Control: cancel <6bvnha$ot8$1615@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:07:22 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 4 Approved: hweede@berlin.snafu.de Message-ID: References: <6bvnha$ot8$1615@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: berlin.snafu.de X-Cancelled-By: hweede@berlin.snafu.de X-No-Archive: yes By this advisory message, hweede@berlin.snafu.de recommends the local removal of a spam whose Breidbart index is 454. See report "20423815537-02130007" in news.lists.filters. Subject was: - BEAUTIFUL BLONDE!! --(picturepost)blo0045.jpg[1/1] #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!hermes.louisville.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!not-for-mail From: rsobpfwu@WinDate.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: -Isn't this WOMAN AMAZING? - autopageopen!!beprepared. Date: 12 Feb 1998 20:00:00 EST Organization: None Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6c05ug$du0$270@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ott-on7-16.netcom.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART_BOUNDARY_OPONDDIFLM" NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 1998 20:00:00 EST x-no-archive: yes X-Newsreader: 2.0.11 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.misc:27662 comp.sys.next.programmer:27582 comp.sys.next.software:32428 --PART_BOUNDARY_OPONDDIFLM Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="test.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="test.html" Content-Base: "file:///C|/test.html" --PART_BOUNDARY_OPONDDIFLM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!isar.de!news.muenchen.roses.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: (Timothy J. Luoma) NOSPAM@ALL.PLS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Interesting article on "What's is going on with LightHouse?" Date: 13 Feb 1998 06:31:31 GMT Organization: none Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6c0pc3$9gt$1@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(i) http://www.sun.com/sunworldonline/swol-02-1998/swol-02-lighthouse.html Thanks to John van Heteren for the URL TjL -- NETCOM: The home of pornography, spammers, and other filth My FROM address is fake. Too much spam. I will check for followups. If you want to email me, remove the spaces and use this address: luomat + NeXT @ luomat.peak.org (note capitalization pls :-) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!132.239.254.208!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news1.ucsd.edu!not-for-mail From: cdl@proxima.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What is ULTRA about "Ultra SCSI?" Date: 11 Feb 1998 01:11:01 GMT Organization: University of California at San Diego Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6bqtr5$dav$1@news1.ucsd.edu> References: <6bblsv$mgn$2@agate.berkeley.edu> Reply-To: clowenst@ucsd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: proxima.ucsd.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Cc: john@RM_THISromdas.HIP.berkeley.edu In <6bblsv$mgn$2@agate.berkeley.edu> John Badanes wrote: > What does the "ultra" reference in "Ultra SCSI?" I was considering > a hard drive for my "black hardware" and all I can find now are > ULTRA SCSI drives. While I don't think its something that my > computer can take advantage of, I'm more concerned that it won't > work as well as the "older" drives. Ultra means that the drive is capable of transferring data synchronously at 20 MHz on the SCSI bus. The NeXT can't do that, in fact it can't do synchronous data transfer at all. NeXT SCSI tends to run at about 4MHz to 5MHz asynchronous. But that's generally OK, because the computer (SCSI host) and drive negotiate with each other to find the best that they can do together. Just make sure the drive doesn't try to initiate the synchronous negotiation. This requires a jumper setting on some drives. Also watch out for Ultra-Wide, which has more wires on the SCSI bus and transfers data two bytes at a time. That definitely won't work in a NeXT without some serious cable adapters. -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein@ucsd.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.u.washington.edu!not-for-mail From: "Matthew Glidden" Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: 13 Feb 98 09:30:37 +0000 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cs209-67.student.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 887362239 51990 (None) 140.142.64.7 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 X-News-Servers: news.u.washington.edu X-Newsgroups-TO: nntp://news.u.washington.edu/comp.sys.mac, nntp://news.u.washington.edu/comp.sys.mac.advocacy, nntp://news.u.washington.edu/comp.sys.mac.misc, nntp://news.u.washington.edu/comp.sys.macintosh, nntp://news.u.washington.edu/comp.sys.next.advocacy, nntp://news.u.washington.edu/comp.sys.next.misc, nntp://news.u.washington.edu/comp.sys.newton.misc, nntp://news.u.washington.edu/comp.sys.newton, nntp://news.u.washington.edu/comp.sys.mac.hardware Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:329775 comp.sys.mac.misc:175411 comp.sys.next.advocacy:95045 comp.sys.next.misc:27665 comp.sys.newton.misc:132960 comp.sys.newton:228 On Fri, Feb 13, 1998 6:41 AM, macghod wrote: >In article , >joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > >> 2400 for $1800 >> 3400 for $2500 >> 1400 for $1600 >> G3 for $4200 >> >> Those are standard prices--there may be some special deals going. > >I dont believe you, please list 5 apple authorized dealers that have the >g3 powerbook for $4200 and the 2400 for $1800 > Well, here's what I've run across in some quick research. For the PowerBook G3, the following resellers all come in at $4200-4300: BigMac, MacBase, LA Computer, MacMarket, Micro Outlet, and CompuAmerica. For the 3400, the following resellers all come in at under $2500: Compu.D, CompuMall, Universal Computer, LA Computer (including 12xCD-ROM and 33.6 modem) For the 2400, these were under $1900: SoftClub, MacBase, MacMarket (including 10xCD ROM), Micro Outlet, MacOutlet For the 1400, these were under $1700: MacBase, CompuAmerica, BigMac, LA Computer So anyway, the prices look fairly kosher; maybe a little undershot, but not excessively so. -- Matthew Glidden Webmaster, Three Macs & a Printer a guide to constructing and maintaining Macintosh networks #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <6c16eu$2ae@news-central.tiac.net> Control: cancel <6c16eu$2ae@news-central.tiac.net> Date: 13 Feb 1998 10:16:21 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: suzie Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.49!feed2.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.65.142!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net X-Original-Subject: ADULT ONLY CINDY.JPG X-Original-Date: 13 Feb 1998 10:14:54 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p0.ts3.derry.nh.tiac.com X-Original-From: suzie X-CosmoTraq: OWA!0ODX3<#"7E>&2FMWJFP5Q"=:0^6PW5J>4S@`:8Q"0S3[**-G\UPO X-Cancel-ID: 0//MZ%5H(4QXZ['I1EDB$'`C'1B%F%%\J!OA&7:)4D"@4TU(M Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: mSQL Date: 9 Feb 1998 17:26:34 GMT Organization: BLaCKSMITH, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6bne8a$mk$2@anvil.BLaCKSMITH.com> References: <6bj12g$j0d1@parsec.vapower.com> Reply-To: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.8.169 X-Newsreader: Alexandra.app (Version 0.82) zander@rkinc.com (Aleksey Sudakov) wrote: > Jonathan B. Leffert writes > > Has anyone successfully built this? > > Yeah, but somehow my message didn't get to USENET. > [Anyone know good public NNTP server in North America?] You mean "public" as in will let random people post using it? No-- such sites become magnets for rebroadcasting spam, and they end up changing their policies. Try DejaNews, or talk with your current ISP. -Chuck Charles Swiger | chuck@BLaCKSMITH.com | standard disclaimer ---------------+----------------------+-------------------- "Microsoft: we make the easy almost impossible." #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!fu-berlin.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.124.0.2!news.sunflower.com!not-for-mail From: nhughes23@hotmail.com (Nathan Hughes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:00:31 GMT Organization: is a sign of a sick mind. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <34e1436d.46027781@news.sunflower.com> References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <6bcen5$ojn2@saganaga.computerpro.com> <6bcopj$qfv$2@ironhorse.plsys.co.uk> Reply-To: nhughes23@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.124.26.76 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:329817 comp.sys.mac.misc:175422 comp.sys.next.advocacy:95052 comp.sys.next.misc:27667 comp.sys.newton.misc:132966 comp.sys.newton:229 On or about 5 Feb 1998 16:18:59 GMT, in comp.sys.mac.advocacy mmalcolm crawford exclaimed : >In <6bcen5$ojn2@saganaga.computerpro.com> "Mark DeLuca" wrote: > >> Natural gas is by far the best fuel anyone could use in thier car for >> many reasons, why don't I use it? Maybe because its octane is too low (it goes BANG too quick), or the fact that it must be stored under high pressure, or the fact that you can't buy it everywhere, or the fact that it burns pistons and valves, or maybe because it cracks exhaust manifolds on a yearly basis. >> >Umm, I'd dispute that assertion. It really depends on a number of factors... >Electrical or hydrogen-based cars might well be better (depending on how each >is produced). Put an A-Bomb in your tank!! Nathan A. Hughes MFA Candidate The University Theatre KU http://sunflower.com/~nhughes multi1=20sec, multi2=50sec Time to Start Thinking Quad Slot 2 400s. Do the math. _______________________________________________________________________________________________-_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: macghod@concentric.net (macghod) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:41:44 -0700 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D796F7.4A06@poodle.nortel.ca> <34D7A504.4FEC@convex.hp.com> <34D7D959.1A3A@creative.net> <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu> <19980206200942484775@uvo-86.univie.ac.at> <19980211203706944032@uvo-90.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts012d30.lap-ca.concentric.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:329852 comp.sys.mac.misc:175424 comp.sys.next.advocacy:95057 comp.sys.next.misc:27668 comp.sys.newton.misc:132970 comp.sys.newton:230 In article , joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > 2400 for $1800 > 3400 for $2500 > 1400 for $1600 > G3 for $4200 > > Those are standard prices--there may be some special deals going. I dont believe you, please list 5 apple authorized dealers that have the g3 powerbook for $4200 and the 2400 for $1800 #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: macghod@concentric.net (macghod) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:10:54 -0700 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D796F7.4A06@poodle.nortel.ca> <34D7A504.4FEC@convex.hp.com> <34D7D959.1A3A@creative.net> <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu> <19980206200942484775@uvo-86.univie.ac.at> <19980211203706944032@uvo-90.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts012d30.lap-ca.concentric.net X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:329856 comp.sys.mac.misc:175425 comp.sys.next.advocacy:95058 comp.sys.next.misc:27669 comp.sys.newton.misc:132971 comp.sys.newton:231 In article , joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > I don't know about European prices. In the U.S., you can pick up a: > > 2400 for $1800 > 3400 for $2500 > 1400 for $1600 > G3 for $4200 > > Those are standard prices--there may be some special deals going. I just checked Apples online store, and they re selling the g3 for $5699, no where near $4200. I have this weeks macweek, powermax $4899 infinity micro $5095 (a stripped down model is $500 less) A couple of places had stripped down g3's for about $4300, but a) it didnt have a modem b) they grey market c) they are hardly "standard" prices being stripped and without the standard modem You are just a flat out liar Joe. Those that read the mac web pages saw the news that comp usa *MAY* have the 2400 for $1799, *BUT* that most stores had it for several hundred more, and they were having a hard time finding stores with this. Yet you claim these are "standard prices". #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: stanj@_caffeineSoft.com (Stan Jirman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP 3.3 and Adaptec 2490UW? Date: 13 Feb 1998 08:54:06 GMT Organization: Caffeine Software Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6c11ne$ptn$1@usenet88.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 26551@207.167.85.173 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.3 Beta(n) Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.software:32434 comp.sys.next.misc:27670 Hi all, I recently replaced my DPT SCSI adapter with an Adaptec 2940UW. Now it seems that I can't get it to work with 3.3 - is not recognized or so, it works only with the older versions of the 2490. I need to have 3.3 aside of 4.2 because 3.3 is the only thing that (with tricks) supports multisession PCD. I looked at NeXTanswers and what I found there didn't work. Does anyone know of a driver that would work on a Pentium-Pro and 2490UW? Or do I need to replace some other drivers as well if I want to use it? If you witnessed the past 4 days, you'd understand why I hate PCs :-) Thanks for any hints, - Stan --- Stan Jirman Caffeine Software NeXTmail and MIME: stanj@_caffeineSoft.com (please remove the _ from the domain name to reply) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cambridge-news.cygnus.com!cygnus.com!kithrup.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <6c05ug$du0$270@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Date: 13 Feb 1998 02:34:52 GMT Control: cancel <6c05ug$du0$270@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> Message-ID: Sender: rsobpfwu@WinDate.com X-Cancelled-By: sef@kithrup.com Approved: sef@kithrup.com Lines: 1 Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com #################################################################### Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 06:28:25 -0600 From: colin@rice.edu (Colin Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help needed!! NeXTstation w/ NS 3.0 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: anderson.vt.com Lines: 21 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.117.188.254!news.vt.com!anderson.vt.com!user Help needed!! NeXTstation w/ NS 3.0 Hi, I have a NeXTstation mono/non-turbo that will no longer boot... the story is below, please email me if you can help. Thanks in advance!! I've been using this machine off and on for the past few months and recently, I began installing all sorts of applications. Anyway, I added a few to the rc.local file to allow the machine to boot them upon startup. Now, startup stops at the local daemons point. I'm guessing that I made a goof somewhere in that file and it's causing this hang. What can I do to fix this? I've tried booting into single-user mode, but after entering bsd -s at the NeXT> prompt from the rom monitor, I get a "Exception #3 (0xc) at 0x1000374" error. I've also tried to telnet and FTP over (at the point when the machine seems to hang), which I can do, but I cannot login is root, therefore I can't modify any files. Nor do I have a boot floppy or even the NEXTSTEP CD, as I bought this bare-bones system used. Help! :-) Thank you, Colin Anderson colin@rice.edu #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!ais.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!nospam From: nospam@deleteyou.net (Robin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:52:17 -0800 Organization: None Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D796F7.4A06@poodle.nortel.ca> <34D7A504.4FEC@convex.hp.com> <34D7D959.1A3A@creative.net> <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu> <19980206200942484775@uvo-86.univie.ac.at> <19980211203706944032@uvo-90.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.178.13.104 X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4 Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:329998 comp.sys.mac.misc:175455 comp.sys.next.advocacy:95085 comp.sys.next.misc:27672 comp.sys.newton.misc:133011 comp.sys.newton:232 In article , macghod@concentric.net (macghod) wrote: > In article , > joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > > > I don't know about European prices. In the U.S., you can pick up a: > > > > 2400 for $1800 > > 3400 for $2500 > > 1400 for $1600 > > G3 for $4200 > > > > Those are standard prices--there may be some special deals going. > > I just checked Apples online store, and they re selling the g3 for $5699, > no where near $4200. I have this weeks macweek, > powermax $4899 > infinity micro $5095 (a stripped down model is $500 less) > A couple of places had stripped down g3's for about $4300, but > a) it didnt have a modem > b) they grey market > c) they are hardly "standard" prices being stripped and without the > standard modem Here are some prices from the latest MacMall catalog (pg 10): 1. G3/233/Desktop 32Mb/4GB HD/24X CD-ROM $1,999 2. G3/233/MiniTower 32Mb/4GB HD/24X CD-ROM/56k modem $2,149 3. G3/266/Desktop 32Mb/4GB HD/24X CD-ROM/Zip Drive $2,399 4. G3/266/Minitower 32Mb/4GB HD/24X CD-ROM/Zip Drive/Video I/O $2,999 5. G3/266/MiniTower 128Mb/4GB HD/24X CD-ROM/100Base T-Ethernet $4,199 > > You are just a flat out liar Joe. (DELETED) You are right. G3s may be had for LESS than $4,200...:) Chill out...:) P.S. Macintosh PowerBook G3 is $5,699 but then again that is a laptop. Morbius #################################################################### Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:55:19 -0500 From: joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.macintosh,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.newton,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: *An open letter to Steve Jobs* Message-ID: References: <34D68515.C5AF8D3A@concentric.net> <34D78B26.88D04587@spf.fairchildsemi.com> <34D796F7.4A06@poodle.nortel.ca> <34D7A504.4FEC@convex.hp.com> <34D7D959.1A3A@creative.net> <34D8C1AE.F8@columbia.edu> <19980206200942484775@uvo-86.univie.ac.at> <19980211203706944032@uvo-90.univie.ac.at> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.183.91.123 Lines: 30 Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!news.pagesat.net!news.dca.net!news.dol.net!joe.ragosta Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.advocacy:330010 comp.sys.mac.misc:175456 comp.sys.next.advocacy:95089 comp.sys.next.misc:27673 comp.sys.newton.misc:133012 comp.sys.newton:233 In article , macghod@concentric.net (macghod) wrote: > In article , > joe.ragosta@dol.net (Joe Ragosta) wrote: > > > 2400 for $1800 > > 3400 for $2500 > > 1400 for $1600 > > G3 for $4200 > > > > Those are standard prices--there may be some special deals going. > > I dont believe you, please list 5 apple authorized dealers that have the > g3 powerbook for $4200 and the 2400 for $1800 I didn't say there were 5. CompUSA has the 2400 for $1799. As for the G3, I got the price from Absolute Mac (www.absolutemac.com). You can also get good price comparisons from Deal Mac (http://deal-mac.com/). -- Regards, Joe Ragosta See the Complete Macintosh Advocacy Page http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!stern.fokus.gmd.de!news From: fox@jeans.fokus.gmd.de (Oliver Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NASA WEB MIDDLEWARE STUDY SELECTS WEBOBJECTS Date: 13 Feb 1998 11:15:33 GMT Organization: GMD-FOKUS Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6c1a0l$h0f@stern.fokus.gmd.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: jeans.fokus.gmd.de Hi On the Rhapsody-Side "http://www.rhapsodyos.com/report/" the following report is announced: NASA WEB MIDDLEWARE STUDY SELECTS WEBOBJECTS. (A NASA Web Middleware Study tested 17 web application development systems and selected WebObjects for their own use...) I am really interested in that report. the url should be: http://stellar.gsfc.nasa.gov/Webstudy/finalm~1.htm but I cant get no connection to this site for two weeks the link still is not in work, one of the NASA guys tell me that the stellar project is close and therefore the Server maybe too. did you know someone who read the original report (and maybe have a copy of it)? thanks, Oliver --- #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!rzg.mpg.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!03-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!news.univie.ac.at!not-for-mail From: "Ing.Klaus Hartmann" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with Number9 Revolution 3D, AGP Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:17:18 +0100 Organization: Vienna University, Austria Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34E447DE.F61091A1@unet.univie.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: uvo-116.univie.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Can anyone help me with my problem: I´ve got an GraphisAdapter Number9 Revolution 3D, 4MB which is supportet with a driver from NextAnswers but only with the PCI-Version ! Has anyone adapted this driver for AGP or knows what changes are to make ??? Please, help I´ve tried pretty much to get this driver working (patching the code with GDB, playing around with the .config-File and so on...) btw: my configuration: Pentium II, 233 MMX, Asus P2L97, Quantum 4.3GB SE, 64 MB SDRAM I´m looking forward to get this shit working, bye and thank you, Klaus (a9027721@unet.univie.ac.at) #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.Stanford.EDU!rjacobs.stanford.edu!rjacobs From: "Robert G. Jacobs" Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Re: NEXSTEP duplex (etc.) printing bug -- fix enclosed Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:20:31 -0800 Lines: 6 Sender: rjacobs@rjacobs.stanford.edu Message-ID: References: <6br6g9$e1c$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: rjacobs.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Melissa O'Neill In-Reply-To: <6br6g9$e1c$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> "Reply-To: " Xref: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.next.sysadmin:29859 comp.sys.next.bugs:4832 comp.sys.next.misc:27706 comp.lang.postscript:39992 I have the opposite problem. I print to an HP LaserJet 4M Plus which is set to duplex by default (which is what I usually use). How can I get an option to print simplex when I want to? Rob #################################################################### Path: news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!not-for-mail From: deoptgvl@Cybertrust.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: ! 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