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From: nando@ccrma.stanford.edu (Fernando Pablo Lopez Lezcano) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Archie2.05a: how to get? Date: 31 Dec 1993 00:27:48 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2fvrm4$i1e@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Hi all! I wanted to compile a fat version of the Archie client and found Archie2.05a using Archie :-) It's a package that gets the source from a certain remote host (superc.che.udel.edu) but in my case Installer.app does not seem to be able to access the remote files. Anyone done this recently? Thanks in advance for any help! -- Fernando nando@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gtoews@ugly.UVic.CA (Greg Toews) Subject: Re: printer opinions for a black slab anyone? Message-ID: <1993Dec30.235603.2866@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: gtoews@ugly.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada References: <rlion.757197479@access> <KEN.93Dec30211352@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 93 23:56:03 GMT The Lexmark(IBM) ExecJet II 4076 claims to emulate the HP DeskJets and I've seen it priced at $289us It apparently has 600x300 resolution with resolution enhancement and it has both serial and parallel ports. It also has an output tray and can hold more sheets than the HP 500. By the specs its 33% slower than the HP. Also its smaller and looks alot nicer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: How to get NS experience? Message-ID: <1993Dec30.215200.2406@planon.qc.ca> Sender: yanik@planon.qc.ca References: <58713@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1993 21:52:00 GMT In article <58713@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: > The ads for NS programmers want 3 year of experience > working for a company. How does one get this > experience if everyone wants 3 years experience? > > Mark Stankus The most interesting is: All WSI projects are on-site at the location specified. Qualified candidates must have at least 3 years experience - after - graduation, with a company in the USA --- not a school --- working on business systems and must be a US citizen or not require sponsorship, thanks. (From comp.sys.next.announce, posted 93-12-26 04:20:00 GMT). Clearly, that means that you must have begun to develop with NeXTSTEP, outside your campus, before 1991 At that time, most NeXT machines sold were used in Universities or Colleges. NeXT tried to reach the "not a school" market with its deal with Business Land and failed. Even now, an important share of NeXTSTEP developpers still work in their campus nest. Just check the addresses of my fellow colleague in usenet and you will see many adresseses with a .edu on them. NeXT actually reached the market in 1991 with version 2.x of NeXTSTEP. In January 1992, at NeXTWORLD EXPO, Steve Jobs said that 1991 was the year where NeXT discovered its niche: the mission critical custom apps. and gave triumphantly the data about NeXT's sales. The 1991 growth has been astonishing. With the "Turbo" and the "Color" shift, the 1992 should have been as good as 1991. The glory days of the NeXT Hardware have been in 1991. I think that WSI will have some problem to fill the 20 jobs with candidates with all the required qualifications. If you have worked in your campus, as consultant, as contractor or as free-lance programmer, that worth nothing. They want a programmer with 3-years of steady NeXTSTEP experience in a good and well established US company. I think WSI should read the excellent about this subject in p. 8 of January 1994 of NeXTWORLD magazine. Yanik -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
From: jeddak@echonyc.com (Jonathan Donald) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Editing PPD to change spot Date: 31 Dec 1993 02:37:18 GMT Organization: ECHO BBS & Public Access Internet Site, NYC Message-ID: <2g038u$iv4@subway.echonyc.com> I'm trying to change the halftone spot on my Apple LW+ (hooked up to NeXTstation Turbo Mono). I've edited the appropriate line in the PPD file and shown NetInfoManager where the new PPD's are and it just does not work. I've read the Fall '92 Support Bulletin document (#1073: New Options In Printing) and done everything it says. I've also tried putting my own setscreen command with a dot function within the PostScript document I want to print, all to no avail. I don't know if this is a NeXT-related problem, a PostScript-related problem, or an operator-related problem. If anyone has done this on their NeXT, please share your knowledge! ASCII email preferred, will check this newsgroup too. (Can't do NeXTMail.) THANKS! -- *************************************************************************** * * * * ***************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: How to get NS experience? Message-ID: <1993Dec31.033645.3398@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <58713@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <1993Dec30.215200.2406@planon.qc.ca> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1993 03:36:45 GMT Guess I'm unemployable. :-) I have *five* years NEXTSTEP experience--but all at a University, so they obviously don't count. (Uh-huh.) I don't have a degree in Computer Science or a "related field." (Yet I see this place handing out M.S. degrees in Computer Science to people with maybe a third of my computer education.) I am a U.S. Citizen. (Not my fault--I was born here.) One out of three ain't bad! -=EPS=- -- Even if one of those companies would take me, I probably wouldn't enjoy working there, surrounded by pinheads who got their jobs solely because they fit the published "qualifications."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: david@prim.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: How to get NS experience? Message-ID: <1993Dec30.095051.2027@prim.demon.co.uk> Sender: David George Organization: KCS Ltd. References: <58713@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <SCOTT.93Dec29221444@nic.gac.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1993 09:50:51 GMT In article <SCOTT.93Dec29221444@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: > >A pet peeve of mine (and many people) in the computer industry is >that so many companies say things like "Applicants must have >developed and marketted at least one program with multi-million >dollar revenues", or "Must have 18 years of Windows NT experience". >You know, requirements that would imply that the person was already >making an order of magnitude more money running their own company >than they would with this new job. I don't know if companies just >think they'll be such a joy to work for that we'll bend over >backwards to do it, or what. It's a mixture of this and incompetence, remember that a lot of those ads are prepared by agencies and human resources who couldn't tell NeXTSTEP from CP/M. Just recently I saw a NS job ad which was looking for people with 1-3 years post graduate experience. It was one of those awful ads which goes like "You will be aged around 25 years and already have 1 - 3 years post graduate experience preferably in NeXTSTEP and Sysbase. You will have experienced a fast track career with an outstanding personal contribution to multimillion $$$ projects... blah blah blah". One could ask that if you were so successful where you were why would you move to this company ? And why does the company think that the people who would reply to such an ad would be able to help them ? In my experience most competent programmers would instantly be turned off by such adverts. Reading further I noticed that the ad had been placed by a recruiting agency. I had cause to speak to this agency later and the guy didn't have a clue what NS was ("dunno, just what skills I'm asked for, front end for Sybase innit ?). My advice, if you need the work, apply inspite of the advert. David. I wonder if these ads with impossible requirements are place so they can say "well we did advertise but nobody suitable applied so we're giving the job to good ol' Freda here".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mdw@sitar.jazz.att.com (Mark Wuest) Subject: Re: printer opinions for a black slab anyone? Message-ID: <CIwIDB.K0B@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Originator: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T References: <rlion.757197479@access> <KEN.93Dec30211352@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> <CIv08M.6nx@cc.umontreal.ca> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1993 13:19:58 GMT In article <CIv08M.6nx@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes: >Ken-ichiro Aoki (ken@phys.titech.ac.jp) wrote: >: In article <rlion.757197479@access> rlion@access.digex.net (rebel lion) writes: >: i have a 040 mono slab (non turbo) and i'm in need of a printer. i don't >: want to spend $600 for a next laser printer. so does anyone have >: recomendations for a good printer (HP.. :) in the approximatley $400 >: range? > >: Check out HPDeskJet series. HPDJ500 is in $300 range. (Inkjet, 300dpi) >: There is a free driver called djf on the archives. >So.. I get a HPDJ500, serial version, and the program "djf" on the archives, >and the setup will work on a NeXT Cube? Will it be the deskjet that is >decoding display postscript information or would it be the Cube which is >doing the decoding and sending bitmap info to the deskjet? As with the NeXT laser printer, the Cube does the Postscript interpretation. I am the proud owner of a DeskJet 500 attached to my slab. As for "serial version", my DeskJet has both a serial and a parallel port. Now, if they only made them in black... ;-) Mark -- Mark Wuest mdw@sitar.jazz.att.com (Sun Mailtool/NeXTMail Ok)
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Survey: NS Programmers->Qualifications? Date: 30 Dec 1993 17:05:56 GMT Organization: E&S Distribution: world Message-ID: <2fv1pk$qpp@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <2fs6p9$1u5@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article 1u5@steffi.demon.co.uk, robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > I would also like to hear from those people who are employeed as > NeXTSTEP programmers but do not hold any qualifications ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow, NS programming must *really* be easy! :-) Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gary@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Gary Ritchie) Subject: Re: Survey: NS Programmers->Qualifications? Message-ID: <1993Dec31.182007.9419@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <2fs6p9$1u5@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1993 18:20:07 GMT In article <2fs6p9$1u5@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > I would like to survey the current NeXTSTEP programming population in > order to determine how many possess tertiary academic qualifications. I only possess Quaternary qualifications. NEXTSTEP work was really hard to find in the Tertiary period, no matter how qualified you were. > If you are currently employeed as a NeXTSTEP programmer or are > undergoing a research project where you have been given a grant, > would you kindly give me a brief summary of any relevant > qualifications that you hold. Why should anyone divulge personal information across the network to you? What are your qualifications are a pollster? Are you a headhunter? What's in it for me? Just curious. > I would also like to hear from those people who are employeed as > NeXTSTEP programmers but do not hold any qualifications. If this is the > case I'd be interested in knowing what circumstances lead you to > attain this position. (Past experience, etc) I wrote DOS. Now I'm in a witness relocation program to protect my life. OR I'm a programming GOD. Bow before me. -- Gary Ritchie : NeXT Programmer Department of Medicine (Neurology) : University of Alberta Hospital gary@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca : NEXTMAIL Welcome
From: tom@druid.bo.open.de (Thomas Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem initializing Toshiba MK537FB (FIP) Date: 31 Dec 1993 19:06:41 +0100 Organization: News at druid Message-ID: <tom.757361143@druid> I have problems using a Toshiba MK537FB with Nextstep FIP (Adaptec 1542B). Fdisk can partition the harddisk, but /usr/etc/disk fails with the following output : NeXTSTEP partition base = 1050624 NeXTSTEP partition size = 1024000 disk name: TOSHIBA MK537FB 6261 disk type: fixed_rw_scsi Disk utility disk> init DESTROYS ALL EXISTING DISK DATA -- really initialize? y enter host name: druid enter disk label: toshiba writing disk label Boot block is "/usr/standalone/i386/boot", ok? y ...r/w returned -1; expected 32768 Write of boot block 0 failed ...r/w returned -1; expected 32768 Write of boot block 1 failed No boot blocks on disk The drive works well with MSDOS .... any ideas ??? Thanx in advance, Tom
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (Oberon) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Linux/Nextstep file systems Summary: can linux and nextstep share filesystem partitions Keywords: sharing drives, nextstep, linux Message-ID: <129105@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 31 Dec 93 20:17:57 GMT Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology are the file system implimentations in linux regular enough that they could be mounted by a nextstep kernel? I run NEXTSTEP for Intel now, and am thinking about adding a linux partition (just for development stuff, I greatly enjoy NS).. and it'd be really nice if they should share the same user partition, instead of having to keep two sets of everything. the reverse (mounting NEXTSTEP partitions under Linux) would be nice, but not as important, since most of my time would be spent working under NS. Please respond in email, since I might not catch it on the groups. John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.============== I have seen things you people wouldn't believe: Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion; I watched C Beams glitter in the dark near the Tan Hauser Gate; All of these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rewrite X in obj-c? Message-ID: <58822@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 31 Dec 93 23:53:07 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Hi, I have been reading a book on X-windows and I was surprised to see that they have classes and a ad-hoc inheritence. It seems to me that if x-windows was rewritten in a object oriented language like Objective-C then it would be much more powerful and it would be easier to write a GNU openstep. Is this reasonable? Would the long term and short term benefits outwieght the work involved? Mark Stankus
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP! Can Someone Nextmail WP Disk 5? Date: 1 Jan 1994 02:15:28 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2g2mc0$1v6@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Yikes! I rebuilt my disk (before installing NS 3.2 black) and when I started to reinstall Wordperfect 1.01 from my originals (of course I don't have a backup copy) Disk 5 was bad. Can some Nextmail me the WP package contained on the Wordperfect 5 disk? NOT TO THIS ADDRESS! (see below). I know this is probably not as per license, but I need WP NOW and the WP folks aren't answering their phones. DON'T NEXTMAIL HERE. USE rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu BTW my version is the one that works with ADB Nexts Thanks L.A. Brooks rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Crispin wins bet? Bartley loses mind. Message-ID: <CIxAAu.CAD@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com (John Bartley) Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1993 23:23:17 GMT Well, today has not been a good day for me. I just received my new laptop this morning and was all excited about getting NeXTSTEP installed this afternoon. My copies of NeXTSTEP have been patiently sitting in their box since November 22 or so. If I had only taken them out for inspection earlier, I would have noticed that my Intel 3.2 User CD ..... is completely BLANK. Not a single bit was written on it. So I'm pissed. Maybe this is an omen that I should just run Windows on it and forget about NS. Windows looks great in color. I can imagine the kind of remarks I'll get at work when they see this expensive laptop...running in shades of gray. I'd be interested in hearing from anybody else who had CD's in the same numbering range as this one: AFE0010853. Any other blank CD's out there? When this happened to me on 3.0 or 3.1 (can't remember which) there were several other people in the same batch who had defective CD's. At least those had been written on! To make matters worse, even though thousands of copies of NeXTSTEP User and Developer have been received by people all over the world prior to January 1, 1994 (the outcome that I was betting on) Mark Crispin has told me that he only received a developer CD but not his user CD. But since the technical details of "the bet" were that both of us must receive our software before the end of the year, I suppose I lost the bet. My whole point in offering to bet was because he was saying that 3.2 wouldn't be released in 1993. I disagreed and offered to take him up on the bet. I suppose I should have been clever like Mark in defining the criteria for whether NS 3.2 was released in 1993. I certainly thought it was a safe bet. Anyway, it's all for a good cause. We agreed to each donate $10 (and the "loser" an additional $10) to the Red Cross here in St. Louis to help out all the flood victims. I wasn't affected personally, but lots of people nearby certainly were. For those of you who have never seen flooding first hand, you can't appreciate the difference between hurricanes and tornados (which do their damage and move on) and a flood which is disaster in slow motion. The St. Louis area was involved with flooding for literally months from late spring through fall. Be greatful if you're high and dry. Oh well, happy new year everyone.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: Rewrite X in obj-c? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1994Jan01.213028.23443@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 1994 21:30:28 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <58822@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <58822@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: |> |> Hi, |> |> I have been reading a book on X-windows and I was surprised to |> see that they have classes and a ad-hoc inheritence. It seems |> to me that if x-windows was rewritten in a object oriented |> language like Objective-C then it would be much more powerful |> and it would be easier to write a GNU openstep. |> |> Is this reasonable? Would the long term and short |> term benefits outwieght the work involved? |> |> Mark Stankus As I heard it, X and various portions of it's higher levels were being re-written in C++. I don't know the details, ie are the API's being jingled around, etc. Actually sure, you could redo X in obj-c...never mind that you'd have to chain yourself to your keyboard for a *LONG* time. -- tom_gall@vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) tgall@online.apple.com (home -- Newton Mail OK!) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- Marvin Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mpeg - tin - news grazer Date: 1 Jan 1994 22:26:37 GMT Organization: UniNett Distribution: world Message-ID: <2g4tat$kdk@ratatosk.uninett.no> 3 questions for the wise and learned: 1. How on earth do I make mpag files on a next. My source is a NeXT Dimensions video board, QuickTime movies or a series of pictures in any format. 2. tin refuses to post articles. I read news from a remote nntp server, compose a posting and when I try to post it complains about needing "inews". 3, After installing 3.2 news grazer is behaving eratically. What are ALL the .rc files I need to remove to refresh it? As always, email copies of answers are appreciated. - Barre ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barre Ludvigsen - Ostfold Regional College- N-1750 HALDEN - Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- vox:+4769185400/home+4769341922/direct+4769185577ext219fax:+4769185485 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <A HREF="http://www.ludvigsen.dhhalden.no">Psst - Looky here.</A>
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rewrite X in obj-c? Date: 2 Jan 1994 21:37:49 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <2g7erd$h4n@hub.ucsb.edu> References: <58822@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <N> <1994Jan01.213028.23443@rchland.ibm.com> In article <1994Jan01.213028.23443@rchland.ibm.com> tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) writes: ] ]In article <58822@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: ]|> ]|> Hi, ]|> ]|> I have been reading a book on X-windows and I was surprised to ]|> see that they have classes and a ad-hoc inheritence. It seems ]|> to me that if x-windows was rewritten in a object oriented ]|> language like Objective-C then it would be much more powerful ]|> and it would be easier to write a GNU openstep. ]|> ]|> Is this reasonable? Would the long term and short ]|> term benefits outwieght the work involved? ]|> ]|> Mark Stankus ] ] As I heard it, X and various portions of it's higher levels were being re-written in C++. I don't know the details, ie are the API's being jingled around, etc. ] ] Actually sure, you could redo X in obj-c...never mind that you'd have to chain yourself to your keyboard for a *LONG* time. ] This C++ news may be true, but I know that it couldnt happen until a reliable C++ compiler was available on all the various platforms that run X. Portability has always been the main concern for the designers of X, and writing in in Objective-C would not allow this at this time. We can hope for the future... -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: Rewrite X in obj-c? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1994Jan02.235709.15310@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 1994 23:57:09 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <58822@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <N> <1994Jan01.213028.23443@rchland.ibm.com> <2g7erd$h4n@hub.ucsb.edu> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <2g7erd$h4n@hub.ucsb.edu>, doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: |> This C++ news may be true, but I know that it couldnt happen until a reliable |> C++ compiler was available on all the various platforms that run X. |> Portability has always been the main concern for the designers of X, and |> writing in in Objective-C would not allow this at this time. We can hope for |> the future... |> Actually a very good point. Tho I wouldn't say everyone doesn't have a reliable C++ compiler... I'll dig around and see if I can find some firm details... |> Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer |> Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition |> Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department |> <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara -- tom_gall@vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) tgall@online.apple.com (home -- Newton Mail OK!) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- Marvin Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Suggestions for NSI pc LAN hardware/software? Message-ID: <2g85pd$1aj@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 3 Jan 94 04:09:17 GMT Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Hi, I have two DECpc MTEs running NSI 3.2. I want to form a LAN with ONLY these two computers, but have no experience with NeXT networking. One of the machines will run an SQL server, which should be accessible over the LAN to clients running on the other NeXTpc. Any suggestions for LAN hardware/software combinations to achieve this are appreciated. Thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shayman@Objectario.com (Steve Hayman) Subject: Re: Mailer programs Message-ID: <1994Jan3.051326.3073@objectario.com> Sender: shayman@objectario.com Organization: Steve Hayman + Associates References: <1993Dec24.232337.4327@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 05:13:26 GMT > I'm trying to configure my isolated machine to dump outgoing mail into > a directory for latter transmission to my network service provider. If all you care about is mail that originates in Mail.app (and not mail sent by /usr/ucb/mail or whatever), you could use Mail.app's Preferences/Expert window to change the "Mailer" program from "/usr/lib/sendmail" to some hokey little shell script that just copies its standard input to some directory for later processing. i.e. you could change "/usr/lib/sendmail" to "/usr/local/bin/saveOutgoingMail", which would be a shell script like this #!/bin/sh # this script gets called when Mail.app wants to deliver an outgoing # message. $1 is the recipient, the message is on standard input. ( # fake up a "From" line if you like echo From $1 `date` # and copy the contents of the message cat ) >/Some/Directory/AMailMessage.$$ Maybe this is useful. Steve
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (Oberon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Subject: Nextstep Doom Message-ID: <129201@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 3 Jan 94 07:05:02 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology I had the Doom beta for NEXTSTEP until the dos shareware version came out. Has the NEXTSTEP release come out yet? I'd kind of like to migrate to that platform. Also, I'm curious if you can start multiple instances of the app under nextstep? So that instead of having 1 monitor for the right view, one monitor for the left view, and one for the main view, you could have 3 windows.. Just seems like it'd be nice to do that :-) John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.============== I have seen things you people wouldn't believe: Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion; I watched C Beams glitter in the dark near the Tan Hauser Gate; All of these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 3 Jan 1994 01:35:26 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2g8ebe$b0h@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe The ftp sites ------------- cs.orst.edu: The main site for North American submissions nova.cc.purdue.edu: Lots of older stuff, but very short on disk space ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: In Germany. ftp.next.com: See the below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ------------------------------------- From the document 1000_Help from ftp.next.com Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, or you can transfer them by anonymous ftp. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to NeXTanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO <your-address> If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
From: bambi@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Stefan K. Bamberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help: graphic drivers for NS for Intel Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Date: Mon, 03 Jan 1994 14:17:15 +0100 Organization: University of Wuerzburg Distribution: world Message-ID: <bambi-030194141715@wina66.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> Hi, a few days ago I installed NS for Intel 3.1 . Unfortunately, there is no special graphic driver for my adapter. I have a Diamond Speedstar 24x. Does anybody know, where I can get one via ftp or where I have to look for NS drivers in general ?? BTW, I'm also looking for a Common Lisp version for NS for Intel (not AKCL). Thanks for any hints, _________________________________________________________________________ ***** Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have! **** _________________________________________________________________________ Stefan K. Bamberger Lehrstuhl fuer Informatik VI Universitaet Wuerzburg voice : ++49 931 7056114 Allesgrundweg 12 Fax : ++49 931 7056120 97218 Gerbrunn Germany email: bambi@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (no next mail yet!!) _________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: fabien@free.fdn.org (Fabien Roy) Subject: Mounting SUN disk (read-only) Message-ID: <1994Jan3.112844.19316@free.fdn.org> Sender: news@free.fdn.org Organization: Fabien Roy Electronic Engineering (F.R.E.E.) - Paris, France. Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 11:28:44 GMT For those who are interested: To mount !!!read-only!!! a one partition SUN disk just type: 1) If it's a removable media /etc/mount -r /dev/sdXh /directory (X stand for the volume number) then insert the disk when the WorkspaceManager asks for. When finished, /etc/unmount /directory then /etc/disk -e /dev/rsdXh to eject. 2) If it's a fixed disk, don't initialise the volume when you log-in, then proceed as above. --Fabien --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMails accepted) Fabien Roy Electronic Engineering 3 rue ANDRE DANJON, 75019 PARIS, France, Tel: 33 1 4040 0206 Fax: 33 1 4040 0641
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Looking for a help writer Message-ID: <1994Jan3.164458.28580@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1993Dec21.203957.12992@altsys.com> <CIGtuo.D6p@metronet.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 16:44:58 GMT In article <CIGtuo.D6p@metronet.com> slfields@metronet.com (Scott Fields) writes: >Sorry, this is not related to your posting. I interviewed with your >company about four months ago. At the time, they said any NeXT development >was DEAD! I purchased Virtuoso for my NeXT and was quite disturbed when they >told me that they were NOT going to make version 2 available for the NeXT. I >like the product quite a bit. Why the sudden change? > >(Of course, at the time they were not looking for NeXT programmers, either) > No official spokes-person would have said that to you. You either misinterpreted what someone who knows said to you or someone who doesn't know told you something wrong. Virtuoso 2 is almost completed and due to ship in Q1. It's true we aren't hiring any NEXTSTEP programmers. Send me email if you have more questions. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: How to get NS experience? Message-ID: <1994Jan3.165537.28710@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <58713@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <2fklbi$gcn@discovery.ectds.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 16:55:37 GMT I'll second what he said. The ``requirements'' are frequently a wish list, what attributes the ideal candidate would have. If you want a job, APPLY! Good Luck! (I'm living proof of the success of applying for a job I wasn't `qualified' for) -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: Problems with 3.2 and printing Message-ID: <1994Jan3.163623.1150@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 16:36:23 GMT Hi there all, ever since I upgraded to NS 3.2, I've been having problems printing to my NeXT laser prnter. Every time I print the page is off by : (+/-) 1/8" to the right (+/-) 3/4" down Can someone help me? Please reply via email it is faster for me. Thanks a million. Patrique --- Patrique Lalonde pat%cesar@cam.org
From: bobw@vnet.net (Bob Willer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Nextstep Advice needed Date: 3 Jan 1994 19:27:59 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. - Charlotte, NC. (704) 374-0779 Message-ID: <2g9rjv$scq@rtp.vnet.net> I am going to start a multi-user on-line service soon, and I would like to hear from people using NS as to the pros and cons of using it for such a purpose. Thank you in advance Bob Willer bobw@vnet.net
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Carl Edman's Emacs extensions questions Date: 3 Jan 1994 21:26:46 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2ga2im$9l@steffi.demon.co.uk> I've not seen Carl's (BTW: Where has capitalist gone?) Emacs extension for NeXTSTEP and I'd really like to ensure that everything is to my liking before I do whats necessary in order to build it. Are these Emacs users about to make use of RTF like Edit.app does? ie. support for links etc etc? -- "Buzzword Development" the new way for the 90's. Promising to deliver but not delivering what you promised.
From: ctm@ardi.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NS experience? Message-ID: <CJ2n3t.6G9@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Date: 3 Jan 94 20:47:55 GMT Article-I.D.: cobra.CJ2n3t.6G9 References: <58713@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <2fklbi$gcn@discovery.ectds.com> <1994Jan3.165537.28710@altsys.com> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI Another very good way to get your foot in the door is to be able to show code that you wrote (not just "worked on"). Of course you must still respect copyrights, so if you did some work under contract, you'll need an explicit release to use it, but if you've done work that has freely distributable source and it's useful code, people might come looking for *you*. Even if writing publicly distributable source code doesn't directly lead to employment, it's a useful reinforcement of good coding techniques. When you're wearing your underware on the outside, you have a good incentive to keep it clean. I know several people that ARDI would love to hire (if we had the money, which we should soon) solely based on public domain and GPL (GNU Public License) code. Of course Scott Hess's (and others') point about not necessarily wanting to work for a company with needless requirements is a good one. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
From: bill@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to get NS experience? Date: 3 Jan 1994 15:30:56 -0800 Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program Message-ID: <2ga9rg$brg@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu> References: <58713@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <2fklbi$gcn@discovery.ectds.com> <1994Jan3.165537.28710@altsys.com> <CJ2n3t.6G9@cobra.cs.unm.edu> One also has to remember that often job ads are placed with an individual already in mind, so the ads are specifically designed to weed everybody else out. "Well, lessee... George has pink eyes, smells like radishes, and parts his hair on the left. Throw those in paragraph 2, under 'desirable skillls'. 'Necessary experience' should have a line or two about golf-cart repair. How about George's Algol experience? Oh yes, '2 years Algol experience on a Next'. I think that should do it." -- Bill Eldridge bill@cognet.ucla.edu "Will hack life for food" 310-206-3960 (3987 fax) ..................
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2ga4e5$v0@steffi.demon.co.uk> Control: cancel <2ga4e5$v0@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: 4 Jan 1994 00:01:37 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2gabl1$1u7@steffi.demon.co.uk> <2ga4e5$v0@steffi.demon.co.uk> was cancelled from within trn. -- "Buzzword Development" the new way for the 90's. Promising to deliver but not delivering what you promised.
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered,comp.sys.next.misc From: Ray Ryan <rjrjr@lighthouse.com> Subject: WRITER: Lighthouse Design, Ltd. Seeks Writer Message-ID: <1994Jan4.002249.1723@lighthouse.com> Sender: rjrjr@lighthouse.com Organization: Lighthouse Design, Ltd. Distribution: ba Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 00:22:49 GMT Lighthouse Design, Ltd. Seeks Writer Lighthouse Design, a leading developer of productivity applications for NEXTSTEP, seeks a writer to manage the hands-on production of our manuals, online help, and other end-user and training documents. You'll write, manage others who will write with you, work with engineers and the marketing group, and oversee publication. You are the ideal candidate if much of the following is true: o You seek a career writing for computer users (as opposed to writing for computer programmers). o You have two to five years experience doing this kind of thing. o You dig technology, and you probably have a technical degree. o You have teaching experience. o You can set and meet your own deadlines. o You've read the fine print in our ads. Compensation is competitive, and includes comprehensive health coverage, opportunities to participate in corporate prosperity through stock options and profit sharing. Of course, free food and gourmet coffee are part of the deal, too. Please send your resume to resume@lighthouse.com, and include the words "Writing Candidate" in the subject line. NeXT Mail is fine, and most Macintosh mail attachments are okay, too. Those without net access can fax 415/570-7787, or send US Mail to: Writing Candidate Lighthouse Design, Ltd. 2929 Campus Drive, Suite 250 San Mateo, CA 94403-2534 Please be prepared to submit a substantive writing sample. -- Ray Ryan, Lighthouse Design, Ltd. +1-415-570-7736 rjrjr@lighthouse.com NeXT Mail, SVP
From: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Installing NS 486 with OS/2 2.1 and ATI GUP Date: 3 Jan 1994 23:05:40 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gapuk$nr8@epas.utoronto.ca> Hi, Can someone explain how to correctly install NS 486 on a machine with DOS and OS/2 partitions. So far, I've tried it two different ways with no luck. In my latest attempt, I tried installing Nextstep first, giving it 400 MB out of my 1.2GB hard disk. It installed properly (using the default VGA adapter, see below for problems with the ATI GUP), and I could (and can still) run NextStep. Then, I rebooted, running the OS/2 2.1 installation kit. Its fdisk program saw the following: 600 MB of free space, followed by 423 MB of NextStep, followed by 146MB of free space. I created a boot manager partition, a 300 MB HPFS partition for OS/2, and a 299 MB partition for DOS. No matter what I tried, I couldn't get the 146 MB free space at the end to be usable (I could create a primary partition for it, but the "access type" was marked UNUSABLE. Is the space beyond 1024 MB restricted to certain types of partitions?? (I had no problems before, when I simply had a big DOS and a big OS/2 partition). Anyways, the first part of the OS/2 installation seemed to go smoothly. Then, it rebooted the machine to continue the installation (only a mini-system is installed at first, then one reboots and continues with a configuration section, ...). However, the NextStep boot manager interceded!! (I would have thought that the OS/2 boot manager would have overwritten it) No matter which partition I tried to boot from the NextStep boot manager, it couldn't find the OS/2 partition (it would typically crash, saying ROM BASIC not found). Is it possible to have the following setup: i) OS/2's bootmanager ii) 400 MB HPFS partition for OS/2 2.1 iii) 350 MB FAT partition for DOS iv) 450 MB NextStep partition v) No free space left on 1.2 GB hard disk If so, how?? Also, I'm having trouble getting my ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (2 MB VRAM, Local Bus) to work in colour with the NextStep system. I believe the problem might involve the memory aperture not being enabled on the graphics card (when I tried using the setup program under DOS, I couldn't enable the memory aperture -- the first 128 MB of RAM would be marked as being used by the system ("S" for those who've seen the setup program) -- and playing with the AMI BIOS settings never seemed to allow it work). Is this the problem, and if so, are there any workarounds?? If not, can someone suggest a good card to replace the ATI (hopefully something that will be "plug and play" in its installation)?? [BTW, my hardware configuration is: 486DX2-66, ISA, Adaptec SCSI controller, Toshiba hard disk and Toshiba CDROM, 32 MB of RAM, Local Bus video, AMI BIOS] Thanks in advance for any suggestions, George Kirikos -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | George Kirikos Internet: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca | | Toronto, Canada Telephone: (416) 537-1756 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Wanted -- person with Next and T1 or DAT, Bay Area Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Distribution: ba Date: Tue, 04 Jan 1994 03:32:34 GMT Message-ID: <1994Jan04.033234.7878@clarinet.com> [Posted to the SF Bay Area distribution. If you get this message and you aren't here, check your feed sites along the Path line, they are feeding you distributions you may not want.] Hi. I need to get around 300mb of data to somebody with a NeXT in Toronto. Seems the only ways to do that are to write a CD-ROM or write one of those NeXT optical disks. So I was wondering if there's anybody in the area with a spare disk to sell/lend me and who can help. To get the data to you, we can either use the internet (if you have a T1 -- it would take almost 17 hours saturating a 56kb link!) or I could put it in TAR format on a DAT for you. Please reply by E-mail. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- San Jose, CA 408/296-0366
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 21:36:40 PST Message-ID: <1994Jan04.053640.280@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where's WriteUp? So what's the word on WriteUp...the new word processor from AFS? Is it out or are the dollar/day rebates flowing? --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: werner@hermes.bouw.tno.nl (Werner de Bruijn) Subject: MS-Windows applications Message-ID: <1994Jan4.135238.11377@hermes.bouw.tno.nl> Organization: TNO Building and Construction Research Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 13:52:38 GMT Currently I am running Windows-NT on my PC (486/33, 20Mb memory, 540Mb HD). Because I am not too happy about NT I would like to try NEXTSTEP. However, I am bit hooked on apps like MS-Word and PowerPoint. Is it possible to run these application from NEXTSTEP (and using cut and paste buffers)? What about my hardware? Thanks, Werner -- Werner de Bruijn TEL : (31) 15-842040 TNO-Building and Construction Research FAX : (31) 15-122182 P.O. Box 49 INTERNET : werner@bouw.tno.nl 2600 AA Delft, the Netherlands
From: med@D012S648.zfe.siemens.de (T.Hoellrich) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP - 3.2 update mail address Date: 04 Jan 1994 14:39:18 GMT Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf Informationssystem AG Distribution: world Message-ID: <MED.94Jan4153918@D012S648.zfe.siemens.de> Hi all! Some time ago there was a posting from NeXT.com with some infos how to check when you will receive your free 3.2 update. I was stupid enough not to save this article. Now I moved to a new appartment and I want to make sure, that UPS ships 3.2 to the right. Can anybody give a hint whom to contact? Thanks in advance Tobias -- ____/| Tobias Hoellrich,Schiesstaettstr.26,80339 Muenchen,Germany \ o.O| phone: +49-89-359 03 54, +49-172-89 788 36 =(_)= email: med@d012s648.zfe.siemens.de U NeXTMail: tobias@nextix.muc.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) Subject: who is my sales rep Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Jan04.151559.16516@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 1994 15:15:59 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 i am in ft collins. my next sales rep used to be john pierce, in denver, but he is now working in another next-related company. i don't know who my current sales rep is or who to call. i need to talk with whoever it is. can someone help me? dave randall randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (303) 491-8474.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: asm@eecg.toronto.edu (Anees S. Munshi) Subject: XyXEL overseas calls problem (NXFax) Message-ID: <1994Jan4.105221.850@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Date: 4 Jan 94 15:52:21 GMT While making overseas calls to specfic countries, the current XyXEL modems mistake the ringing tone for a busy signal and hangup. While this can be defeated by setting mode X3 or X1, it is nice to have busy tone detection on, and disable it only for specific phone numbers. After much hunting around I found the solution (thanks to Nick Joshi at XyXEL tech support), and it works with NXFax. To disable busy detect, terminate the phone number with a semicolon-o sequence. For example: 011,9122,1234567;o 'Thought some people would like to know. Sorry if this is repeat info. Regards, Anees S. Munshi
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: XyXEL overseas calls problem (NXFax) Date: 4 Jan 1994 16:27:08 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2gc5cs$1l7@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1994Jan4.105221.850@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> asm@eecg.toronto.edu (Anees S. Munshi) wrote >After much hunting around I found the solution (thanks to Nick >Joshi at XyXEL tech support), and it works with NXFax. To >disable busy detect, terminate the phone number with a >semicolon-o sequence. For example: > > 011,9122,1234567;o > >'Thought some people would like to know. Sorry if this is >repeat info. > >Regards, >Anees S. Munshi Thank you Thank you Thank you.. This has bitten me many times before. Isn't there some other setting that ensures correct interpretation of the tones though? -- "Buzzword Development" the new way for the 90's. Promising to deliver but not delivering what you promised.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tt@panda.unibe.ch (Thomas Tschannen) Subject: Re: HELP - 3.2 update mail address Message-ID: <1994Jan4.155807.15195@aragorn.unibe.ch> Sender: news@aragorn.unibe.ch Organization: University of Berne, Switzerland References: <MED.94Jan4153918@D012S648.zfe.siemens.de> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 15:58:07 GMT In article <MED.94Jan4153918@D012S648.zfe.siemens.de> med@D012S648.zfe.siemens.de (T.Hoellrich) writes: > Hi all! > > Some time ago there was a posting from NeXT.com with some > infos how to check when you will receive your free 3.2 update. > > I was stupid enough not to save this article. Now I moved to > a new appartment and I want to make sure, that UPS ships 3.2 > to the right. > > Can anybody give a hint whom to contact? > > Thanks in advance > > Tobias > > -- > > ____/| Tobias Hoellrich,Schiesstaettstr.26,80339 Muenchen,Germany > \ o.O| phone: +49-89-359 03 54, +49-172-89 788 36 > =(_)= email: med@d012s648.zfe.siemens.de > U NeXTMail: tobias@nextix.muc.de Send mail to upgradestatus@next.com You should include -name -address -phone number -serial numbers of your 3.1 product (User & Developer)* and they will get back to you asap. I do not know how soon asap is since I sent my request 21-DEC-1993 and haven't heard anything so far... Good luck, Thomas -- Thomas Tschannen Phone: ++41 (0)31 631 48 71 University of Berne Fax: ++41 (0)31 631 44 05 Physics Institute Telex: CH 912 643 Sidlerstrasse 5 Internet: tschannen@phil.unibe.ch CH-3012 Berne DECnet (CH): 49203::TSCHANNEN Switzerland HEPNET/SPAN: 20579::49203::TSCHANNEN
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix emulation/Matlab remote plots Date: 30 Dec 1993 15:13:22 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <2fur6i$gbh@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <2fs6poINNbph@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In article <2fs6poINNbph@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) writes: > Our university has a site license for Matlab on its Unix workstation > network. I would like to be able to view plots created by Matlab > remotely at home via modem. One person told me that I need tektronix > terminal emulation to do this. Can this be done using vt220 emulation, > and if so how? If not, are there any shareware tektronix terminal > emulation packages available. I am using a Nextstation with 3.2, and > Microphone Pro as my modem communications package. Any help would be > appreciated. Type "man ps4014" and you find: PS4014(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual PS4014(1) NAME ps4014 - convert a Tektronix 4014 files to POSTSCRIPT format SYNOPSIS ps4014 [ -RCNm ] [ -poutfile ] [ -lleft,bottom ] [ -swidth,height ] [ -Swidth ] [ file ] DESCRIPTION ps4014 reads in a Tektronix 4014-format file and converts it to POSTSCRIPT format for printing on a POSTSCRIPT printer. If no file is specified, the standard input is used. The resulting POSTSCRIPT file may be directed to the standard output or to a named file. .. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: balu@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: Help : login Message-ID: <1994Jan4.164644.8294@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:46:44 GMT Hi, I messed up something with one of my .files , I don't know which - may be the .NeXTDefaults , I can't login in to my account on the NeXT cube anymore. I can telnet from some other system and login to my acount, but not from the NeXTcube. Can some one out there tell me what I might have messed up and how do I get back. Please email to balu@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Thanks Balu, T
From: doconno@castor (Darwin O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Typing name and password from remote command line Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 12:57:03 CST Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <7577098238-34330@castor> I have access to a NeXT computer only from rlogin or telnet. It is connected to a Apple Share Network and a Novell dos network and I want to use them when rlogin-ing but I cannot. Back in the good old days then I cound log in to a NeXT from the console and I change directory into /Net/AppleShare/MHNet/MHNet and a window would pop-up asking me for a name and password, even when I was running MACH (the command line). How do I enter my name and password if I'm rlogin-ed? Note, I cannot read NeXT mail. -- Darwin O'Connor | "Make mistakes and confuse the enemy" doconno@cc.umanitoba.ca | - The Doctor People with slow modems will not be happy with this unnecessary line.
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: The ideal NeXT computer? Date: 4 Jan 1994 18:16:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> I did a little research on the HP Gecko, and these are the rumours that I came up with (just rumours, but some seemed very informed): There will be a big announcement by HP and NeXT on Jan 18 (Everybody should know about that by now). One person told me that there will be an DEC alpha version demonstrated on that date. As for the HP, code named Gecko: There will be at least two machines, they may be called HP-7?2, they will run PA-RISC at 60(40?) resp. 80 MHz and be nearly as fast as a 730 resp. 735 (!). Low end prices will be $4000 resp. $8000, configuration for the $4000 one will include 16Mb Ram, 260Mb disk and a 15" monitor. The $8000 one will most likely have more Ram, more disk and a 17" monitor. Both will have 24 bit Graphics. They will have hardware support for JPEG and MPEG compression (!). The fast version will do 130 Specfp. They will be immediately available, since the announcement has been held back to avoid cannibalization of the 7?5 workstation line. They will run NEXTSTEP and NT, although one person told me they were designed with NEXTSTEP in mind and the WSJ reported that NT is not a high priority for HP right now. On the other hand, the WSJ did not mention NEXTSTEP at all. I assume that they will run HP/UX as long as NS or NT are not yet available. I was surprised how many people that answered mentioned NEXTSTEP. I purposely avoided mentioning it, but really that is what I am most interested in. The Gecko promises to be a real Indy-killer and a worthy replacement for the NeXTdimension system, with MPEG/JPEG hardware support, which will most likely mesh perfectly with the upcoming NeXTtime video support in NEXTSTEP. It seems that finally there is a worthy platform for NEXTSTEP, combining the fastest available hardware with the most advanced available operating system. NeXT and HP will be able to make inroads into the multimedia market, and possibly even the 3-d graphics market. It's almost too good to be true. All comments are welcome. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <CJ4EuE.1uL3@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 19:44:37 GMT References: <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 In article <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > > I did a little research on the HP Gecko, and these are the > rumours that I came up with (just rumours, but some seemed > very informed): > > There will be a big announcement by HP and NeXT on Jan 18 > (Everybody should know about that by now). One person told > me that there will be an DEC alpha version demonstrated on > that date. > > As for the HP, code named Gecko: > There will be at least two machines, they may be called HP-7?2, > they will run PA-RISC at 60(40?) resp. 80 MHz and be nearly > as fast as a 730 resp. 735 (!). Low end prices will be $4000 resp. > $8000, configuration for the $4000 one will include 16Mb Ram, > 260Mb disk and a 15" monitor. The $8000 one will most likely > have more Ram, more disk and a 17" monitor. Both will have > 24 bit Graphics. They will have hardware support for JPEG > and MPEG compression (!). The fast version will do 130 Specfp. > They will be immediately available, since the announcement has > been held back to avoid cannibalization of the 7?5 workstation > line. They will run NEXTSTEP and NT, although one person > told me they were designed with NEXTSTEP in mind and the > WSJ reported that NT is not a high priority for HP right now. > On the other hand, the WSJ did not mention NEXTSTEP at all. I > assume that they will run HP/UX as long as NS or NT are > not yet available. > does this mean that i will not be able to buy nextstep for an hp 735 or a 715? i mean, your post is great news if true, but i was looking forward to getting rid of hp-vue on the boxes i already own.
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Does "halt" really halt CPU on Intel ? Date: 4 Jan 1994 20:47:37 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gckl9$517@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: Dead keyboard after halt on Intel When you do "halt" as root on NS for Intel machines, it appears that keyboard becomes totally dead. Is this true? We have EPSON NX and this puppy does not have a RESET button unlike most PCs. To reboot from this state, I have to power cycle the machine which I would like to avoid. On black hardware "halt" puts you into the ROM Monitor from which you could reboot/power down/etc... Couldn't NeXT have put a little program that at least waited for CTL-ALT-DEL to put the execution back to the boot sequence? I know that keyboard driver gets loaded after kernel is up, and halting the kernel also wipes the NS keyboard driver, but they could reset the CPU into real mode and use ROM BIOS driver for this. Am I missing something? -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: fineman@cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) Subject: Wanted: Info on Executor Message-ID: <1994Jan4.204950.13784@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Table Tennis, UW Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 20:49:50 GMT I'm trying to get my NS/FIP machine to run some of the cool mac apps that aren't available for NeXT machines, like: Excel Word (both relatively non-intensive, i'd assume) Adobe Photoshop Quark XPress (both rather [f|c]pu intensive at times) And i need to decide if it's worth blowing a few hundred on a new hard disk to use them. Will Executor let me use the full power of these packages? Ideally, i'd like them to run as if i were sitting at a Mac; seeing as how this probably isn't going to happen, i'd like to know what Executor fools the software into thinking i'm using. Does it tell Photoshop & Quark that i've got an FPU (albeit non-motorola)? Can i use all the video weirdness that Photoshop does, which i suspect is specific to the Mac video hardware? anyone know? thanks much, dan
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.admin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Reliability of network adapters for NSI 3.2? Date: 4 Jan 1994 20:56:04 GMT Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gcl54$bov@netnews.upenn.edu> Hi, I'm looking for any comments/criticisms/dirt on the LAN adapters fro NSI 3.2. The 3COM EtherLink IIK is the only EISA adapter listed in the hardware compatability guide. Does this mean that it is the fastest? Someone told me that they had experienced "bugs" with all the adapters except intel EtherExpress 16. Can anyone else comment on the reliability of the network cards they are using. The network I'm assembling is for mission critical apps, and we could not afford ANY bugs in the LAN adapters/drivers. Any comments much appreciated. Thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgobbi@looking-glass.com (Mike S. Gobbi) Subject: RCS and word processing Message-ID: <1994Jan4.165634.2075@looking-glass.com> Organization: Looking Glass Design, Inc. Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:56:34 GMT I would like to embed RCS keywords ($Id$ etc.) into word-processor documents in the same way that I do in my source code. Unfortunately, FrameMaker stores its files in a binary format, and the files break when RCS expands the keywords. I could use RTF, but there are no NeXTSTEP editors which will support page numbering, headers, and other goodies. Does anybody know of a document editor that 1. stores its files in some kind of ascii format, and 2. is capable of headers, footers, footnotes, and embedded graphics? Thanks. Mike Gobbi <mike_gobbi@looking-glass.com> -- __ In Quest of Knowledge... /..\ mike_gobbi@looking-glass.com --mm--mm--------------------------------------------------
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 08:12:46 PST Message-ID: <1994Jan04.161246.469@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.os2.misc Subject: Multiboot with OS/2 I have been running NS/I with a NEXTSTEP and a DOS partition on my internal disk, and decided to try OS/2. (The $39 CD is too good a deal to pass, and I'm tired of crashing Windows.) First, I repartitioned the DOS partition into a 60Mb primary and 50Mb extended (to avoid NEXTSTEP problems with large partitions, since I transfer files via the DOS partition). Then I got DOS reinstalled. My plan was to use the Dual Boot option on OS/2 (not BootManager) to switch between DOS & OS/2. But after installing OS/2, the boot to DOS failed with a "disk error". I don't think there's anything wrong with the disk, so I would guess OS/2 didn't like the fact that the boot block is NEXTSTEP's, not its own. If I use BootManager, I need a separate partition for it and one for DOS, OS/2, and NEXTSTEP. This leaves no room for an extended partion to share files between DOS and OS/2. I suppose I could reinstall OS/2, but leave the DOS directories intact, then boot DOS from a floppy when necessary. (I would like to think DOS would be unnecessary, but I'm not that optimistic yet.) Is there better solution? --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) Subject: Re: Installing NS 486 with OS/2 2.1 and ATI GUP Sender: news@prz.tu-berlin.de (Newsadmin Elwood-PRZ) Message-ID: <1994Jan4.214408.21055@prz.tu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 21:44:08 GMT References: <2gapuk$nr8@epas.utoronto.ca> Organization: PRZ TU-Berlin George Kirikos (gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca) wrote: [...] > Then, I rebooted, running the OS/2 2.1 installation kit. Its fdisk > program saw the following: > 600 MB of free space, followed by 423 MB of NextStep, followed by > 146MB of free space. > I created a boot manager partition, a 300 MB HPFS partition for OS/2, > and a 299 MB partition for DOS. No matter what I tried, I couldn't get > the 146 MB free space at the end to be usable (I could create a > primary partition for it, but the "access type" was marked UNUSABLE. > Is the space beyond 1024 MB restricted to certain types of > partitions?? (I had no problems before, when I simply had a big DOS > and a big OS/2 partition). You cannot create a bootable partition which *starts* beyond 1024MB. The reason is as stupid as simple. In their infinite wisdom IBM decided when they developed the routines in the first BIOS in 1980 that 10Bit (=1024) for the cylinder number, 6Bit (=64) for the sector number and 8Bit(=256) for the head number are enough. If you boot a Intel box there are no drivers loaded and the first stage boot code have to use the BIOS routines ("int 0x13") to load the second stage boot code from the partition of the respective O/S. But the values of the input parameters of these BIOS routines are restricted as I wrote above, i.e. the first stage ("master") boot code cannot load second stage boot code from a partition which starts beyond cylinder number 1024. And the most SCSI host adapters (like Adaptec 1542B/C/CF) have their own BIOS which replace these mentioned BIOS routines after reset and pretend (for systems like MS-DOS which even uses the BIOS code for normal operation) that all connected SCSI disks have a sector count of 32 and a head count of 64, i.e. cylinders of 1MB size. I.e. you cannot access a sector beyond the 1023th cylinder*1MB = 1024MB using the BIOS routines and since the first stage boot code have to use the BIOS to load the second stage boot code this code has to be below the 1024 cylinder border. Note, these restrictions doesn't apply after NS is running, it uses it's own drivers to access the disk. I don't know what assumptions the OS/2 fdisk does, but a partition beyond the 1023th cylinder you could use at least as a non-bootable partition or you have it to resize such that it starts below the mentioned border. > Anyways, the first part of the OS/2 installation seemed to go > smoothly. Then, it rebooted the machine to continue the installation > (only a mini-system is installed at first, then one reboots and > continues with a configuration section, ...). However, the NextStep > boot manager interceded!! (I would have thought that the OS/2 boot > manager would have overwritten it) The OS/2 boot manager uses it's own partition (i.e. it's kind of a mini-operating-system) while the NS boot manager replaces the first stage boot code in the "master boot record" (i.e. in the physical first sector on the disk). Since OS/2 doesn't touch the master boot record the NS boot code stays in it and you get this confusing behavior. No matter which partition I tried > to boot from the NextStep boot manager, it couldn't find the OS/2 > partition (it would typically crash, saying ROM BASIC not found). Although I thought that this would work this is probably caused by the NS boot manager code. > Is it possible to have the following setup: > i) OS/2's bootmanager > ii) 400 MB HPFS partition for OS/2 2.1 > iii) 350 MB FAT partition for DOS > iv) 450 MB NextStep partition > v) No free space left on 1.2 GB hard disk > If so, how?? This should be possible since the 450MB NS-partition is below 1024MB. To get rid of the NS boot manager you could use "fdisk /mbr" under DOS and then setting the OS/2 Boot Manager partition to active (and add an boot menu entry for NS of course). But I doubt that the OS/2 boot manager is able to boot NS (read negative statements about it here). Alternativly you could try the boot menu program "os-bs" which is available from ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de under "/pub/pc/os-bs". It's able to boot OS/2 as well as NS (currently I recommend still using v1.35 of os-bs and not v2.0 Beta8 for booting NS). [...no help for ATI problem, sorry...] Hope this helps, Thomas -- Thomas Wolfram <thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de> Germany: 0 30 31421171 PRZ TU Berlin (EANTC) <wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de> abroad: +49 30 31421171 _____________________________________________________________________________ _____S__I__C____T__R__A__N__S__I__T____G__L__O__R__I__A____M__U__N__D__I_____
From: qtmc@villon.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Babak Nivi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mpeg Date: 4 Jan 1994 23:35:23 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <2gcufr$1uu@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Does anyone know where to find some good mpeg movies? -- Babak Nivi University of Michigan, Ann Arbor babak.nivi@umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) Subject: Re: Installing NS 486 with OS/2 2.1 and ATI GUP Sender: news@prz.tu-berlin.de (Newsadmin Elwood-PRZ) Message-ID: <1994Jan4.233244.22361@prz.tu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 23:32:44 GMT References: <2gapuk$nr8@epas.utoronto.ca> <1994Jan4.214408.21055@prz.tu-berlin.de> Organization: PRZ TU-Berlin Thomas Wolfram (wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de) wrote: [...] > And the most SCSI host adapters (like Adaptec 1542B/C/CF) have > their own BIOS which replace these mentioned BIOS routines after > reset and pretend (for systems like MS-DOS which even uses the BIOS > code for normal operation) that all connected SCSI disks have a > sector count of 32 and a head count of 64, i.e. cylinders of 1MB size. > I.e. you cannot access a sector beyond the 1023th cylinder*1MB = 1024MB > using the BIOS routines I forgot to mention that because MS-DOS is using the BIOS for normal working operation this implies that it's not possible to create even a non-bootable Extended MS-DOS partition beyond the 1023th cylinder, except if you've a special driver (like ASPI4DOS.SYS - if I'm not wrong). and since the first stage boot code > have to use the BIOS to load the second stage boot code this > code has to be below the 1024 cylinder border. > Note, these restrictions doesn't apply after NS is running, it uses > it's own drivers to access the disk. [...] Thomas -- Thomas Wolfram <thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de> Germany: 0 30 31421171 PRZ TU Berlin (EANTC) <wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de> abroad: +49 30 31421171 _____________________________________________________________________________ _____S__I__C____T__R__A__N__S__I__T____G__L__O__R__I__A____M__U__N__D__I_____
From: ctm@ardi.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: Info on Executor Message-ID: <CJ4ntz.9uL@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Date: 4 Jan 94 22:58:49 GMT Article-I.D.: cobra.CJ4ntz.9uL References: <1994Jan4.204950.13784@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI In article <1994Jan4.204950.13784@beaver.cs.washington.edu> fineman@cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) writes: >I'm trying to get my NS/FIP machine to run some of the cool mac apps >that aren't available for NeXT machines, like: > > Excel > Word (both relatively non-intensive, i'd assume) > > Adobe Photoshop > Quark XPress (both rather [f|c]pu intensive at times) > >And i need to decide if it's worth blowing a few hundred on a new hard >disk to use them. > >Will Executor let me use the full power of these packages? Ideally, >i'd like them to run as if i were sitting at a Mac; seeing as how this >probably isn't going to happen, i'd like to know what Executor fools >the software into thinking i'm using. Does it tell Photoshop & Quark >that i've got an FPU (albeit non-motorola)? Can i use all the video >weirdness that Photoshop does, which i suspect is specific to the Mac >video hardware? Excel 3.0a or greater should run, some large spreadsheets may have trouble under Executor/NEXTSTEP (E/NS) 1.3, but there should be a new version on ftp.cs.unm.edu that will do better in that area soon. Word 4.00E or greater should run. Neither Photoshop, nor XPress are usable currently. We've spent the last year porting Executor to NEXTSTEP/Intel, DOS and X-Windows/Alpha, we are revamping our bug tracking software and will soon get back to making more apps run *and* make a list of known bugs available via anonymous ftp and probably via e-mail, as well. However, *On Intel Machines*, it really makes more sense to run Soft-PC under NS/FIP and run the Windows versions of programs when they exist. Executor runs Mac programs on non-68000 machines *much* faster than Soft-PC runs PC programs on non-Intel machines, but if you already have an Intel based machine you get the speed win from hardware, and you get the compatibility win from Windows/DOS from Microsoft, rather than a clean-room rewrite. Of course that makes Executor much more of a niche product than before, which is why we had to do the ports mentioned above... --Cliff[ord T. Matthews] Founder, ARDI ctm@ardi.com Lucifer Sam -- Sam Cat
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: RCS and word processing Date: 5 Jan 1994 02:16:00 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2gd7t0$klp@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <1994Jan4.165634.2075@looking-glass.com> Mike S. Gobbi (mgobbi@looking-glass.com) wrote: : I would like to embed RCS keywords ($Id$ etc.) into : word-processor documents in the same way that I do in my : source code. Unfortunately, FrameMaker stores its files : in a binary format, and the files break when RCS expands : the keywords. I could use RTF, but there are no NeXTSTEP : editors which will support page numbering, headers, and : other goodies. Does anybody know of a document editor that : 1. stores its files in some kind of ascii format, and : 2. is capable of headers, footers, footnotes, and : embedded graphics? You can save FrameMaker files in MIF format, which is text based. See the Save as... menu. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.os2.misc From: rob@brewster.demon.co.uk (Rob Heyes) Subject: Re: Multiboot with OS/2 References: <1994Jan04.161246.469@corona.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Kallisti Systems Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 02:12:16 +0000 Message-ID: <757761136snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1994Jan04.161246.469@corona.com> pkron@corona.com writes: > If I use BootManager, I need a separate partition for it and one for DOS, > OS/2, and NEXTSTEP. This leaves no room for an extended partion to share > files between DOS and OS/2. I suppose I could reinstall OS/2, but leave > the DOS directories intact, then boot DOS from a floppy when necessary. > (I would like to think DOS would be unnecessary, but I'm not that > optimistic yet.) > > Is there better solution? If you use OS/2 BootManager then you can boot OS/2 from an extended partition, which is exactly what I do. This means that you can then access your DOS primary partition from OS/2. In theory you can also boot NEXTSTEP from BootManager, but I've had mixed success with that (with a Cirrus SVGA card I would sometimes get a corrupted display, I don't think I've tried it since I got my S3 card). The NEXTSTEP and OS/2 boot managers will coexist quite happily btw, since the OS/2 one sits in its own (active) partition while the NS one sits in the boot sector of the drive. If you don't respond to the NS boot manager it just falls through to the OS/2 one. Rob Heyes
From: tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Ts'o) Newsgroups: comp.unix.unixware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Best hi-end video card ? with 1280x1024x16m ? Date: 5 Jan 1994 04:45:35 GMT Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2gdglf$fgc@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> I'm looking for a video card that can do 1280x1024 with 24bit color, at least 70Hz non-interlaced. What is the best card available, for say under $800 (or at any price), with good performance *and* good driver support for Win 3.1, WinNT, OS/2, Unixware, Solaris, NextStep, etc... Can Unixware, Solaris and NextStep each make *full* use of such a card ? A plus would be a card that is readily programmable, that is, not too hard to get the required docs and routines to write C programs for. I'm hoping I can buy one card that will last for a while. Impossible ? My monitor is a NEC 6fg. Cheers, Dan Ts'o Div. Neuroscience 713-798-3331 Baylor College of Medicine 1 Baylor Plaza S603 dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu Houston, TX 77030 tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
From: matthewm@sgate.com (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can't access man pages from Terminal with 3.1 Date: 4 Jan 1994 20:51:01 -0500 Organization: Collins International Services Company Message-ID: <2gd6e5$k6@sgate.com> References: <9312290347.AA00220@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu> <1993Dec29.080527.13062@seer.demon.co.uk> In article <1993Dec29.080527.13062@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk writes: >I don't remember hitting this in 3.1, and it certainly doesn't happen with >3.2. I suspect that you might be a little confused as to where man pages >really are; they havwe nothing to do with Librraian, or really even with >Terminal. Librarian has something to do with man pages, though, as the man pages *are* indexed for DL use. >Man pages should be found in /usr/man; the man command is a completely >independent Unix command to read them, which has no connection with >Librarian. hmm. -> cd /usr/man -> pwd /NextLibrary/Documentation/ManPages -> Methinks the original poster is missing a link or something. This sorta happened when I went from 2.1 to 3.0, since I think that's when NeXT threw a grenade into the nice, peaceful, SANE ordering of things. >I suspect that you haven't installed them. That could be it too. >Paul ------ Mike Matthews, Mike_Matthews@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------
From: skeezics@teleport.com (Skeezics Boondoggle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Service bureau for NeXTSTEP users? Date: 4 Jan 1994 23:12:44 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2gdp9c$jkn@kelly.teleport.com> Summary: Who? Where? How much? Keywords: digital prepress from NeXTSTEP I am looking for information on service bureaus that can handle jobs from NeXTSTEP users directly - either from a NeXT-formatted floppy or OD or electronically via ftp or NeXTmail. A place that can handle Frame or Illustrator or Virtuoso or PasteUp or most other popular NeXT file formats directly, and not just raw Postscript. Anyone out there have a place they can recommend? I was blessed, here in Portland, OR with *TWO* places, up until a couple of months ago. One place's equipment was *stolen* (so they claim) and they don't plan to replace it (though used Black hardware is still available, and PCs+NSFIP aren't outrageous). The other had an employee who was the resident NeXT guy, and he left. But both places simply didn't have the volume to justify spending any time or money supporting the NeXT... so I'm out of luck locally. I suspect there are many NeXTSTEP DTP'ers with similar sad stories, but I'm hopeful that someone can offer some hope. Thanks, -- Chris, er... Skeezics :-) (It's a long story) -- skeezics@teleport.COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400, N81)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tt@panda.unibe.ch (Thomas Tschannen) Subject: Re: HELP - 3.2 update mail address Message-ID: <1994Jan5.071615.6373@aragorn.unibe.ch> Sender: news@aragorn.unibe.ch Organization: University of Berne, Switzerland References: <1994Jan4.155807.15195@aragorn.unibe.ch> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 07:16:15 GMT In article <1994Jan4.155807.15195@aragorn.unibe.ch> tt@panda.unibe.ch (Thomas Tschannen) writes: > Send mail to upgradestatus@next.com > > You should include > -name > -address > -phone number > -serial numbers of your 3.1 product (User & Developer)* > > and they will get back to you asap. > > I do not know how soon asap is since I sent my request > 21-DEC-1993 and haven't heard anything so far... > Now I know. Got their answer on 4-JAN-1994. Thomas.
From: skeezics@teleport.com (Skeezics Boondoggle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Service bureau question... followup Date: 4 Jan 1994 23:39:53 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2gdqs9$kt6@kelly.teleport.com> Summary: Maybe *I* will start one. :-) Keywords: hmmm... why not? It's silly to followup to my own question, but I've been thinking (ouch!) and maybe I should rephrase things: Who out there is also finding it tough (or impossible) to do NeXTSTEP-based publishing work and would *love* to have a NeXTSTEP-capable service bureau to send jobs to? Tell you what: Send me a short note explaining what sort of hacks you have to do now (writing PS to Mac or DOS floppies and taking your chances that the PPD, fonts, etc. are okay) and what type of jobs you're running out (or would like to be). Give me a ballpark estimate on your monthly volume, of negs or veloxes or whatever. Tell me what programs you use. In short, give me some data that I can take to the owner of my local service bureau so I can strike a deal: I'll buy his NeXT equipment (he says he's lost a fortune on it) and get it upgraded as needed and stick it on the Internet, and leave it in his office on his net. He'll give me access to his imagesetters and processing equipment at a reasonable discount, since I'll be handling all of the NeXT jobs myself (not his staff). It's a win-win-win situation - He makes back his investment in the NeXT hardware and increases his volume; I get to own a beautiful NeXT machine and have access to the imagesetters for my own publishing work; and everyone with a NeXTSTEP machine who doesn't want to putz around with conversions and hacks (or who keeps a lone Mac around to write their manuals on!) can send jobs to a NeXTSTEP-capable service bureau. Right? What can it hurt to ask? If I get some data in the coming days and weeks, I'll think about this some more and post a followup. In the meantime, I've got to coerce another job into something digestible on a Mac before my next ad deadline next week... sigh. Thoughts, encouragements, warnings, live poultry, whatever! Send 'em. Cheers, -- Skeez -- skeezics@teleport.COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400, N81)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Marianne Kern (kernm@lfgms.logica.com) Subject: Seagate ST3600a 525 Mb Message-ID: <CJ5Grq.119@carmen.logica.co.uk> Sender: Marianne Kern Organization: Logica Ltd. Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 09:23:49 GMT Has anyone tried to run NeXTSTEP v3.1 or 3.2 on a Seagate ST3600a 525 Mb drive? I'm trying to find out whether it needs firmware upgrades similar to those identified in NeXTanswers. Thanks, Marianne
From: mbehrens@cs.utexas.edu (Mikael Behrens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Date: 5 Jan 1994 15:27:23 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gem8r$kqj@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <CJ4EuE.1uL3@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Dave Randall writes > does this mean that i will not be able to buy nextstep > for an hp 735 or a 715? > > i mean, your post is great news if true, but i was looking > forward to getting rid of hp-vue on the boxes i already > own. NeXT's June 93 sales brochure has this ambiguous quote about components of Object Enterprise still under development: "NEXTSTEP natively ported to selected HP Series 700 workstation products" which ones are "selected" I don't know. Mikael -- Mikael Behrens mbehrens@cs.utexas.edu (NeXTMail OK) Computer Science student University of Texas at Austin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@bandw.com Subject: Re: XyXEL overseas calls problem (NXFax) Message-ID: <1994Jan5.162425.590@bandw.com> Organization: Black & White Software References: <1994Jan4.105221.850@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <2gc5cs$1l7@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 94 16:24:25 GMT In article <2gc5cs$1l7@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >asm@eecg.toronto.edu (Anees S. Munshi) wrote >>After much hunting around I found the solution (thanks to Nick >>Joshi at XyXEL tech support), and it works with NXFax. To >>disable busy detect, terminate the phone number with a >>semicolon-o sequence. For example: >> >> 011,9122,1234567;o >> >>'Thought some people would like to know. Sorry if this is >>repeat info. >> >>Regards, >>Anees S. Munshi > >Thank you Thank you Thank you.. > >This has bitten me many times before. > >Isn't there some other setting that ensures correct interpretation of >the tones though? > > > > > >-- > "Buzzword Development" the new way for the 90's. > > Promising to deliver but not delivering what you promised. > There is another un-documented-but-approved method of dealing with the U.K. ring. If you set s44.7=1 (and save with at&w) it should detect the U.K. ring correctly. This was once posted by Brent Mosbrook of ZyXEL technical support. We have had a number of customers use this successfully, but it did not do the trick for Anees Munshi. I'm glad he was able to find an alternative which helped. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Damon rick@bandw.com Black & White Software NeXTMail OK 802-496-8500 (voice) 802-496-5112 (fax)
From: wkwong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waihon A Kwong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: EPS files between MAC and NeXT Date: 5 Jan 1994 17:04:04 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2geru4$h3n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hi all, I need to send my graphics work from my NeXT to a MAC with FreeHand and FrameMaker. I draw though figures in Diagram and save them as EPS files. My question is: Is there a way to convert them to the EPSI file so that my MAC can preview it in the documents? I know the MAC prefer the EPS with a BITMAP (EPSI) so that it can display the graphics. Any help would be appreciate, Andy -- //|| // @ E-mail: wkwong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu // || // @ wkwong@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu //==||/\\ @ // || \\ @ "If you put your mind to it, you can accompish anything!"
From: wln@news.cs.columbia.edu (William Lee Nussbaum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: man page -> PS (How?) Date: 5 Jan 1994 12:26:42 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Message-ID: <2get8i$clm@pizza.cs.columbia.edu> References: <1993Dec27.030326.810@sol.UVic.CA> <1993Dec28.113607.760@gamelan> In article <1993Dec28.113607.760@gamelan>, Thomas Funke <thf@zelator.in-berlin.de> wrote: >In article <1993Dec27.030326.810@sol.UVic.CA> >mohenly@malahat.library.uvic.ca (Michael O'Henly) writes: >> For reasons that are too complicated and boring to explain, >> I need to find a way to convert man pages from their native >> format to PostScript so > > >ptroff -t -man manfile > psfile > Actually, given the number of manpages with tables, it's probably better to use: tbl MANFILE | ptroff -t -man > PSFILE - Lee -- Lee Nussbaum | The commitment of American culture to pluralism <wln@cs.columbia.edu> | and individual rights is reason for optimism, as NeXTmail, MIME welcomed. | is the pliancy and profusion of electronic B0/4 w gv k s- p+ | technology. - Ithiel de Sola Pool
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.text.tex Subject: *.dvi,*.tex -> *.rtf Date: 5 Jan 1994 17:58:45 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2gev4l$6s2@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Is there a utility that lets me convert a DVI or TeX file (that is mostly just text -- no equations) to a RTF file? Thanks, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
From: gates@dragon (J. Patrick Gates) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/IP on DEC 466d2 MTE Message-ID: <34635@ursa.bear.com> Date: 5 Jan 94 18:37:16 GMT Sender: news@bear.com Hi Folks - Has anyone had any experience installing NS/IP on DEC PCs? When I boot from the Installation floppy, my system never accesses the CD-ROM (a Sun, but it thinks it's a Sony). I have an UltraStore 34F SCSI adapter, and I think the problem may be that I have no device driver for it... Any advice? Patrick Gates Bear Stearns & Co New York -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9G-W:7-S($AE;'9E=&EC83M]"EQM M87)G;#$R,`I<;6%R9W(Q,C`*7'!A<F1<='@U,S-<='@Q,#8W7'1X,38P,5QT M>#(Q,S5<='@R-C8X7'1X,S(P,EQT>#,W,S9<='@T,C<P7'1X-#@P,UQT>#4S M,S=<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,"!<"DAI($9O;&MS("U< M"EP*2&%S(&%N>6]N92!H860@86YY(&5X<&5R:65N8V4@:6YS=&%L;&EN9R!. M4R])4"!O;B!$14,@4$-S/R!7:&5N($D@8F]O="!F<F]M('1H92!);G-T86QL M871I;VX@9FQO<'!Y+"!M>2!S>7-T96T@;F5V97(@86-C97-S97,@=&AE($-$ M+5)/32`H82!3=6XL(&)U="!I="!T:&EN:W,@:70G<R!A(%-O;GDI+B!)(&AA M=F4@86X@56QT<F%3=&]R92`S-$8@4T-322!A9&%P=&5R+"!A;F0@22!T:&EN M:R!T:&4@<')O8FQE;2!M87D@8F4@=&AA="!)(&AA=F4@;F\@9&5V:6-E(&1R M:79E<B!F;W(@:70N+BY<"EP*06YY(&%D=FEC93]<"EP*4&%T<FEC:R!'871E B<UP*0F5A<B!3=&5A<FYS("8@0V\@3F5W(%EO<FM<"@I]"F%T `
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP trainers Date: 5 Jan 1994 19:59:15 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gf66j$4cp@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> I would like your recommendations of companies that provide NEXTSTEP developer training. Specifically, I need to find a company who can provide a group of Windows developers with enough NEXTSTEP development training so that the Windows developers will be able to port a NEXTSTEP application to Windows. So the training shouldn't be geared toward making these guys NEXTSTEP programmers, but should only provide them with enough NS knowledge to be able to understand what's happening in a NS app. Thanks. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: mishelle@thoughtful.com (Mishelle Baun) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Service bureau for NeXTSTEP users Date: 5 Jan 1994 16:03:53 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401052202.AA08818@thoughtful.com> Chris, Though I don't know what file formats he supports, we've had good luck with: ------ Daniel Wasserman NeXT e-mail High-Resolution PostScript Service Bureau Light Printing Co., Inc. 101 Lafayette St. New York NY 10013 Phone: 212-226-5003 Fax: 212-226-2777 NeXTmail: uunet!lpmazda!dan or LightPrinting@gun.com ------- We're in Colorado with no local service bureaus either. We NeXTMAIL the files to him, so it's really easy. He Fed Ex's return materials, so the distance/time frame isn't too restrictive. Mishelle McClure Baun Thoughtful Software
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean Banfield) Subject: NS/FIP 3.2 Academic availability? Organization: Real Decisions Corporation Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 23:06:45 GMT Message-ID: <CJ6Iv9.9o7@rdcalr.realdec.com> Hi, I'm an employed, active programmer who's interested in career development and intellectual growth. I have no support at my place of business for NeXTSTEP (or anything that isn't branded by Microsoft!). I'd like to run NeXTSTEP at home for my own education/enlightenment. I bought the 3.1 eval kit, and have been happy, even with the various failings in the serial driver. 3.2 comes along and they call me to tell me I can 'upgrade' to full 3.2 for $1900. It would include manuals and (I assume) the right to create/deploy commercial software. I don't care about those things. I'm just eager to learn and explore in the privacy of my basement. I'm not affiliated with any institution of higher learning, but would like to take advantage of the academic packaging. Is this illegal? Is there a place that will sell it to me without a student ID or other mark of academic pursuit? I understand its about $300 (or so). TIA. -Dean -- =============================================================== Dean Banfield Real Decisions Corporation Voice: 203.656.1500 22 Thorndal Circle FAX: 203.656.1659 Darien, CT USA 06840 e-mail: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com ===============================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Can't access man pages from Terminal with 3.1 Message-ID: <1994Jan5.194726.6469@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2gd6e5$k6@sgate.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 19:47:26 GMT In article <2gd6e5$k6@sgate.com> matthewm@sgate.com (Mike Matthews) writes: > In article <1993Dec29.080527.13062@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk writes: > >I don't remember hitting this in 3.1, and it certainly doesn't happen with > >3.2. I suspect that you might be a little confused as to where man pages > >really are; they havwe nothing to do with Librraian, or really even with > >Terminal. > > Librarian has something to do with man pages, though, as the man pages *are* > indexed for DL use. > > >Man pages should be found in /usr/man; the man command is a completely > >independent Unix command to read them, which has no connection with > >Librarian. > > hmm. > > -> cd /usr/man > -> pwd > /NextLibrary/Documentation/ManPages > -> > > Methinks the original poster is missing a link or something. This sorta > happened when I went from 2.1 to 3.0, since I think that's when NeXT threw a > grenade into the nice, peaceful, SANE ordering of things. No; he didn't have anything in "either" directory (they are both the same, as you point out). The man command still doesn't have anything to do with Librarian, which was my point. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.unix.unixware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Best hi-end video card ? with 1280x1024x16m ? Followup-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.solaris Date: 6 Jan 1994 01:51:23 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2gfqqs$eap@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <2gdglf$fgc@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> I believe that the Miro card is the only one that fits the bill (if NS is a definite requirement). If you find out about other cards, please let us know. : My monitor is a NEC 6fg. So is mine, which also gives me the 1280*1024 limit. Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
From: corey@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Contractor - John Corey) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 01:20:26 GMT Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Message-ID: <41870003@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc References: <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Andreas, I tried to send you am email messages and it did not get through. Send me a note and I will forward on the bounced message so you can see what the mail claimed was the problem and so you can see my question. Thanks, Baker Consultant, not an HP employee baker@hpkel18.cup.hp.com baker@tciltd.com
From: tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Ts'o) Newsgroups: comp.unix.unixware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Best hi-end video card ? with 1280x1024x16m ? Date: 6 Jan 1994 02:55:14 GMT Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2gfuii$h5p@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> References: <2gdglf$fgc@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> <2gfqqs$eap@news.mic.ucla.edu> In article <2gfqqs$eap@news.mic.ucla.edu> ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: >I believe that the Miro card is the only one that fits the bill (if NS is a >definite requirement). If you find out about other cards, please let us know. If NS isn't the highest priority, would another card be better or cheaper ? Thanks.
From: nobugs!friday!treed@gun.com (Timothy Reed) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Service bureau for NeXTSTEP users? Date: 5 Jan 1994 21:38:54 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401060027.AA10663@friday.bmt.gun.com> We send all our high-quality printing needs (brochures, color separation, and film) to Light Printing. They are by far the easiest service bureau for NEXTSTEP people to use. They're extremely NEXTSTEP friendly, possess virtually every font you might possibly slip in your document, will do color separation from all of the professional-quality layout apps for NEXTSTEP (though they prefer Virtuoso), are knowledgable about NEXTSTEP, and send and receive NeXT-mail. They will do film, glossy stock, etc. etc. and do it quickly if you're in a rush. Selecting a quality service bureau is truly a no-brainer once you see Light Printing's exemplary work. We are obviously tremendously happy with them. Digression: There are actually a lot of really talented NEXTSTEP professionals in New York City. Garret Linn <garret@gun.com> did our upcoming ad in the ANDI guide, and depending on his time we'll definitely have him do more stuff, including contribute to the look of our apps. With Garret and Dan Wasserman, all of our graphic and output needs are well covered. Highly recommended. Contact Dan Wasserman at Light Printing <lightprinting@gun.com> or 1-212-226-5003. Contact Garret Linn at <garret@gun.com>. Tim --- Timothy Reed, Black Market Technologies Voice: +1 718 522-5090 Fax: +1 718 852-4249 E-mail: treed@bmt.gun.com "Reading documentation is an admission of failure." In comp.sys.next.misc article <2gdp9c$jkn@kelly.teleport.com> you wrote: > > I am looking for information on service bureaus that can handle jobs > from NeXTSTEP users directly - either from a NeXT-formatted floppy > or OD or electronically via ftp or NeXTmail. A place that can handle > Frame or Illustrator or Virtuoso or PasteUp or most other popular NeXT > file formats directly, and not just raw Postscript. Anyone out there > have a place they can recommend? > > I was blessed, here in Portland, OR with *TWO* places, up until a > couple of months ago. One place's equipment was *stolen* (so they > claim) and they don't plan to replace it (though used Black hardware > is still available, and PCs+NSFIP aren't outrageous). The other > had an employee who was the resident NeXT guy, and he left. But > both places simply didn't have the volume to justify spending any > time or money supporting the NeXT... so I'm out of luck locally. > > I suspect there are many NeXTSTEP DTP'ers with similar sad stories, > but I'm hopeful that someone can offer some hope. > > Thanks, > > -- Chris, er... Skeezics :-) (It's a long story) > > -- > skeezics@teleport.COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks > Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400, N81) -- Timothy Reed, Black Market Technologies Voice: +1 718 522-5090 Fax: +1 718 852-4249 E-mail: treed@bmt.gun.com "Reading documentation is an admission of failure."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Service bureau for NeXTSTEP users? Message-ID: <1994Jan6.044637.20594@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <9401060027.AA10663@friday.bmt.gun.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 04:46:37 GMT In article <9401060027.AA10663@friday.bmt.gun.com> nobugs!friday!treed@gun.com (Timothy Reed) writes: > We send all our high-quality printing needs (brochures, color separation, and > film) to Light Printing....[deleted] We are obviously > tremendously happy with them. I'm glad to see someone is happy with them. A developer in our NUG had a less pleasant experience with that firm, and didn't receive his product literature until day 2 of the last Expo :-( -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: mhamrick@dallas.bozell.com(Matt Hamrick) Subject: Black Slab <-> HP LaserJet 4 Message-ID: <1994Jan5.210642.14969@bozell.com> Sender: news@bozell.com Organization: Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 21:06:42 GMT Net Folks, Has anyone had any success connecting a black slab to a HP LaserJet 4. I had assumed that it was as simple as using a serial cable to connect the two, but the printer still isn't getting anything from my slab. Is this a supported configuration or not? -- Matthew S. Hamrick | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't." mhamrick@bozell.com | -Shakespeare, Hamlet Act 2, Scene 2 Temerlin McClain | Dallas, Texas | NeXT Mail Capable
From: corey@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Contractor - John Corey) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 04:05:37 GMT Subject: Re: NS/IP on DEC 466d2 MTE Message-ID: <41870004@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc References: <34635@ursa.bear.com> Patrick, You do have a problem or two. First, there is no valid email address on you message. Just gates@dragon. Second, I returned an UltraStore 24? as I understand that there is no driver for such a card. I got a Alpha Research card which comes with a cache (I stuct 4MB into it, the min. config.) and rather like the performance. You might also not that the tail end of what you posted looks like crap when a person is not using newsgrazer. You might want to eliminate the part of your message that generated it (a signature entry?). My experience was not with a DEC PC so there may be other issues besides the UltraStore card. Baker baker@tciltd.com baker@hpkel18.cup.hp.com (until 1/13) / hpcc01:comp.sys.next.misc / gates@dragon (J. Patrick Gates) / 10:37 am Jan 5, 1994 / Hi Folks - Has anyone had any experience installing NS/IP on DEC PCs? When I boot from the Installation floppy, my system never accesses the CD-ROM (a Sun, but it thinks it's a Sony). I have an UltraStore 34F SCSI adapter, and I think the problem may be that I have no device driver for it... Any advice? Patrick Gates Bear Stearns & Co New York -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9G-W:7-S($AE;'9E=&EC83M]"EQM M87)G;#$R,`I<;6%R9W(Q,C`*7'!A<F1<='@U,S-<='@Q,#8W7'1X,38P,5QT M>#(Q,S5<='@R-C8X7'1X,S(P,EQT>#,W,S9<='@T,C<P7'1X-#@P,UQT>#4S M,S=<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,"!<"DAI($9O;&MS("U< M"EP*2&%S(&%N>6]N92!H860@86YY(&5X<&5R:65N8V4@:6YS=&%L;&EN9R!. M4R])4"!O;B!$14,@4$-S/R!7:&5N($D@8F]O="!F<F]M('1H92!);G-T86QL M871I;VX@9FQO<'!Y+"!M>2!S>7-T96T@;F5V97(@86-C97-S97,@=&AE($-$ M+5)/32`H82!3=6XL(&)U="!I="!T:&EN:W,@:70G<R!A(%-O;GDI+B!)(&AA M=F4@86X@56QT<F%3=&]R92`S-$8@4T-322!A9&%P=&5R+"!A;F0@22!T:&EN M:R!T:&4@<')O8FQE;2!M87D@8F4@=&AA="!)(&AA=F4@;F\@9&5V:6-E(&1R M:79E<B!F;W(@:70N+BY<"EP*06YY(&%D=FEC93]<"EP*4&%T<FEC:R!'871E B<UP*0F5A<B!3=&5A<FYS("8@0V\@3F5W(%EO<FM<"@I]"F%T ` ----------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cbradley@bozell.com (Chris Bradley) Subject: Re: Geckified NEXTSTEP? Message-ID: <1994Jan5.211101.15042@bozell.com> Sender: news@bozell.com Organization: Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. References: <2fb3maINNrlv@uwm.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 21:11:01 GMT In article <2fb3maINNrlv@uwm.edu> xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) writes: > Just wondering if the HP port will include a port to the new > Gecko systems that have recently been announced? Scuttlebutt I heard says, "Yes." -- Chris Bradley | cbradley@bozell.com Techno-Slave, with Many Masters | +1 214 830 2273 vox Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. | +1 214 830 2687 fax Advertising and Public Relations | "Born ready"
From: tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Ts'o) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to make a ground zero backup ? Date: 6 Jan 1994 07:06:01 GMT Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx Message-ID: <2ggd8p$m98@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> I am about to (try to) install NextStep Intel 3.2 on a Gateway 486/66. As an old time UNIX hacker, I would like to know what I must do to create a "ground zero backup" of the system, once it is installed. What I mean, of course, is a backup of the entire system that can be retrieved using a blank machine and disk, and perhaps a floppy to boot. I can build and store such a thing on Exabyte tape attached to a 1542C (does Nextstep support this ?), or rdump or otherwise copy the system to disk or tape on another UNIX machine. If it is necessary or easier, I can involve DOS in the backup or restoring process. In old UNIX, I would dd the root partition and then dump or tar the rest. Does dd'ing the root partition get everything that is needed like boot info, etc, and could a tiny DOS floppy restore the image from tape ? If this is not possible, then how about a very minimal system built on a small IDE or SCSI drive (say 40MB), that is just enough to boot the system and pull in the 400Mb of goodies that comprise the full install. How would this be done ? Thanks. Cheers, Dan Ts'o Div. Neuroscience 713-798-3331 Baylor College of Medicine 1 Baylor Plaza S603 dan@dna.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu Houston, TX 77030 tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Installing NS 486 with OS/2 2.1 and ATI GUP Message-ID: <CJ76xF.FwI@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <2gapuk$nr8@epas.utoronto.ca> <1994Jan4.214408.21055@prz.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 07:46:27 GMT In article <1994Jan4.214408.21055@prz.tu-berlin.de> wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes: [ ] > >Alternativly you could try the boot menu program "os-bs" which is available >from ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de under "/pub/pc/os-bs". It's able >to boot OS/2 as well as NS (currently I recommend still using v1.35 of >os-bs and not v2.0 Beta8 for booting NS). I might point out that I have been using os-bs (1.35) with great success for a couple of weeks. I am alternating between DOS/Windows and NS/Intel. Nice program. It would be nice to have a clock countdown and colours though! The NS boot manager is really disappointing. No class. It's very unlike NeXT. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbhinz@znih (David Hinz) Subject: Fax Modem Drivers Message-ID: <1994Jan6.043429.3075@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Keywords: fax Sender: dbhinz@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 04:34:29 GMT Ok, here's the question. Is it really difficult to write a fax/modem driver? Sounds like a stupid question but I haven't seen anyone really pursuing this area. I have a Practical Peripherals 14.4K fax/modem with no way to use the fax capabilities. Are fax/modems really that different? Would it be possible for someone at Next to post the source for their two drivers so that it could be modified for other fax/modems? Does the driver kit support building of fax drivers? I think some discussion on this subject would be good. Also if there are other Practical Peripherals modem users, post a message on the Practical Peripherals BBS and let them know that a modem driver from them would be useful. I mentioned it to someone in chat mode last night and he seemed quite receptive to the idea (at least he didn't say no). Post your ideas, let's put some fax drivers into the public domain. David Hinz dbhinz@znih.rmnug.org
From: kay@nagasena.muc.de (Kay Schulz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANGTEK 6200HS under NSI Date: 6 Jan 1994 09:17:34 +0100 Organization: Firestone Chaotic Group Message-ID: <2ggheu$90@nagasena.muc.de> Hi does the Wangtek 6200HS works with NSI 3.2? Any experiences? -- Kay Schulz 08142/58727 kay@nagasena.muc.de NeXTmail accepted
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Date: 6 Jan 1994 16:08:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ghd2m$5uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41870003@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> In article <41870003@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> corey@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Contractor - John Corey) writes: > Andreas, > > I tried to send you am email messages and it did not get through. Send > me a note and I will forward on the bounced message so you can see > what the mail claimed was the problem and so you can see my question. > For all who tried to reply to me, here is the address: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu I don't know what went wrong (yet). Sorry for the inconvenience. Please try again! Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: woo@ra-next.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Woo x6010 227-6 rm 315) Subject: cursor size under NeXTSTep Message-ID: <1994Jan6.172341.27028@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 17:23:41 GMT Is there anyway to increase the visibility of the default cursor in NeXTStep? It is difficult to find with a glarescreen. -- ============================================================== Alex Woo, MS 227-6 woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center NASAMAIL ACWOO Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 SPANET 24582::WOO (415) 604-6010 (FAX) 604-4357 {hplabs,decwrl,uunet}!ames!woo Disclaimer: These are not official statements of NASA or EMCC.
From: gopher2@bcarh530.bnr.ca (Avril Morris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cursor size under NeXTSTep Date: 6 Jan 1994 18:29:57 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Sender: gopher2@bcarh530 (Avril Morris) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ghlb5$bt@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <1994Jan6.172341.27028@news.arc.nasa.gov> In article <1994Jan6.172341.27028@news.arc.nasa.gov>, woo@ra-next.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Woo x6010 227-6 rm 315) writes: |> Is there anyway to increase the visibility of the default cursor |> in NeXTStep? It is difficult to find with a glarescreen. The easiest way to locate a 'missing' cursor is to set the preferences to bring up the menu when you select the right mouse button. That way, just click the right button to find your cursor. Actually, unless something has changed in 3.2, this is the only way. (I tried to get a larger cursor scheme to work way back in the 3.0 days :-) -- Rob Parkhill || No email right now. Really. || What? Me speak for BNR Canada || Don't even try to send email to || BNR? I don't get paid (613) 763 8146 || gopher2, 'cause it will bounce. || enough to do that!
From: premise@martial.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Sean Michael Willson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Signiture Date: 6 Jan 1994 19:33:02 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Message-ID: <2ghp1e$qq4@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> I was wondering how people make the signiture or other files that they attach to the end of their messages and how I would go about doing this. Sean Willson -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P($D@=V%S('=O;F1E M<FEN9R!H;W<@<&5O<&QE(&UA:V4@=&AE('-I9VYI='5R92!O<B!O=&AE<B!F M:6QE<R!T:&%T('1H97D@871T86-H('1O('1H92!E;F0@;V8@=&AE:7(@;65S M<V%G97,@86YD(&AO=R!)('=O=6QD(&=O(&%B;W5T(&1O:6YG('1H:7,N7`I< 2"E-E86X@5VEL;'-O;EP*"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: fineman@cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) Subject: Installing hard drive question-- Message-ID: <1994Jan6.204347.10453@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Zymurgy, UW Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 20:43:47 GMT Hi netters: I went out and picked up a new hard disk for my NSFIP machine yesterday; supposedly a 245mb disk (a maxtor 7245A drive). I plugged it in all correctly, and booted up. After configuring the CMOS with all the proper numbers, nextstep boots up and tells me that the hard drive is "damaged", so i initialize it. problem: It only gives me ~210mb free (i forget exactly how much, but it's nowhere near 245)! The only files on it are the lost&found and the .hidden. Fdisk tells me that the drive is only something like 213 mb; does this mean that it will format only in DOS to 245mb? any advice? danke dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: fineman@cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) Subject: Can you "merge" 2 physical hard disks? Message-ID: <1994Jan6.205103.10797@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 20:51:03 GMT I've now got 2 hard drives in my white system, and i thought it'd be neat if i could have the two drives both be the root drive, so i didn't have to deal with the seam between the root & an "external" drive. Is this possible? Would I have disk space equal to the sum of the space on both drives? thanks dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: EPS files between MAC and NeXT Message-ID: <1994Jan6.221508.11101@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <2geru4$h3n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 22:15:08 GMT In article <2geru4$h3n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waihon A Kwong) writes: > >Hi all, > >I need to send my graphics work from my NeXT to a MAC with FreeHand and >FrameMaker. I draw though figures in Diagram and save them as EPS files. >My question is: Is there a way to convert them to the EPSI file so that my >MAC can preview it in the documents? I know the MAC prefer the EPS with a >BITMAP (EPSI) so that it can display the graphics. > >Any help would be appreciate, >Andy >-- > //|| // @ E-mail: wkwong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu > // || // @ wkwong@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu > //==||/\\ @ >// || \\ @ "If you put your mind to it, you can accompish anything!" You could use Virtuoso for your graphics work. It is file-format compatible with FreeHand 4 and will save as FreeHand 3.X and then use FH to generate a Mac EPS. I am of course incredibly biased... -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: EPS files between MAC and NeXT Message-ID: <Jan6.225647.36688@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 22:56:47 GMT Distribution: usa References: <2geru4$h3n@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Geology & Geophysics Dept, University of Calgary, Canada wkwong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waihon A Kwong) writes: >I need to send my graphics work from my NeXT to a MAC with FreeHand and >FrameMaker. I draw though figures in Diagram and save them as EPS files. >My question is: Is there a way to convert them to the EPSI file so that my >MAC can preview it in the documents? I know the MAC prefer the EPS with a >BITMAP (EPSI) so that it can display the graphics. The regular EPS files without a bitmap preview should work fine, but, of course, you get an empty frame for your image, which is not too useful if you are trying to position something accurately on top. Some Mac programs (like Canvas) will ignore legitimate EPS files unless the appropriate file type is set. Freehand < v.3.1 did this too. Here are the steps to get it into a "Mac" flavour EPS file with bitmap preview: 1. Get ImageViewer.app for the NeXT, and use the command-line "image" program found in the .app directory like so: image file.eps -o file.pbm To produce a black and white portable bitmap file. 2. Using the utilities in the PBM toolkit (see the comp.graphics FAQ to find out where to get the PBM toolkit), convert to PICT: ppmtopict < file.pbm > file.pict You now have a PICT file suitable for a bitmap preview on the Mac. To put the PICT and EPS file together, you must use a Mac (or, at least that is the easiest way). 3. Transfer the two files (EPS and PICT) to the Mac - remember to do a binary transfer! 4. Import the PICT file into either MicroSoft Word, or use the shareware program GIFConverter to view the image. Any PICT viewing program that can copy to the clipboard will do. Select the image, and copy to the clipboard. 5. Start ResEdit (another Mac application), and open the EPS file. 6. Select "Get Info" from the "File" menu, and change the file type from TEXT (or whatever it is) to EPSF. 7. Under the "Resource" menu, select "new", and select PICT for the type. 8. Paste in the PICT file from the clipboard. 9. Chose "Get Info" from the "Resource" (not the "File") menu, and set the ID to 256. 10. Close all the windows, and save. You now have a fully-fledged Mac EPS file - bascially a regular EPS file with appropriate type information, and a PICT file in the resource fork. One final, optional detail, before closing: 9.5. If you want, choose "Get Info" from the "File" menu, and change the creator to FHA3. This is the "Aldus Freehand" creator type, so if you have Freehand installed, the icon will change to a Freehand document with a little "EPS" indicator. This may, or may not, be a safe thing to do, but it does make the "Macified" EPS files more distinctive. I provide no guarantees this will work, and you are on your own finding the appropriate tools. I'm sure there must be an easier way to do this, (especially easier than ResEdit) but it works for me. If anyone knows a better way, please let me know. -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: machang@llewella.uchicago.edu (Andrew ChinKwang Chang) Subject: Modem recommandations for NeXT? Message-ID: <1994Jan7.031729.19920@midway.uchicago.edu> Keywords: NeXT, modem Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 03:17:29 GMT I'm looking for a modem or FAX modem for my NeXT. Not many modems were mentioned in the NeXT-FAQ. So I'd like to hear from the people who have experience of modem and modem setup. I'll be using the NeXT at home and dial into the campus computer system. I may setup SLIP or UUCP (I need to check the campus computing center). Thank you for your help and information. -Andrew
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sam@talus.com (Semyon Sosin) Subject: Re: Fax Modem Drivers Message-ID: <1994Jan7.014836.7839@talus.com> Sender: sam@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation References: <1994Jan6.043429.3075@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 01:48:36 GMT In article <1994Jan6.043429.3075@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> dbhinz@znih (David Hinz) writes: | | Ok, here's the question. | | Is it really difficult to write a fax/modem driver? Sounds like a stupid | question but I haven't seen anyone really pursuing this area. I have a | Practical Peripherals 14.4K fax/modem with no way to use the fax capabilities. | Are fax/modems really that different? Would it be possible for someone at Next | to post the source for their two drivers so that it could be modified for other | fax/modems? Does the driver kit support building of fax drivers? | | I think some discussion on this subject would be good. Also if there are other | Practical Peripherals modem users, post a message on the Practical Peripherals | BBS and let them know that a modem driver from them would be useful. I | mentioned it to someone in chat mode last night and he seemed quite receptive | to the idea (at least he didn't say no). | | | Post your ideas, let's put some fax drivers into the public domain. | | David Hinz | dbhinz@znih.rmnug.org Hail to thou, lonely rider, you enter the twighlight zone ... :-) Probably you touch the most obfuscated area of NeXTSTEP. Except (shhhesh...) installable filesystems (someone naive asked about it, but his voice dissolved in silence), this is the most strange area of NS. Interesting, how many people sitting fooled fith their 14.4 fax-modems and cannot send faxes from their beatiful ObjOriented OS simply because people at NeXT think that there's only TWO types of fax-modems exist in all the world !!! This drivers are not kernel-level, so DriverKit is useless. This is a simple UNIX daemons. You can find existing two drivers in directory /usr/lib/NextPrinter under names (probably each file consist of two parts): Class2_Fax_Modem Class2_Fax_Modem_Driver Interfax_Fax_Modem Interfax_Fax_Modem_Driver The only what you can do -- take program called "otool" and lunch it like otool -t -v -V Class2_Fax_Modem_Driver And then figure out what's going on. As it easily to guess, this drivers should be on plain-vanilla C (maybe even K&R !!!) and if you have proper experience after a week you'll got knowledge how this stuff works. Since NeXT constantly screw their clients, why you cannot go that way??? This isn't joke. This one of the way how people unveil Microsoft shame in Windows 3.1. Read "Undocummented Windows" !!! Perfect reading for _every_ person that work with _any_ OS. And I think while NS became more popular such kind of people should appear among NS audience as well. -- Semyon Sosin Talus Imaging Corp. - Houston Bureau <sam@talus.com> (NeXT mail accepted) ph: (713)561-0700 10602 Chapel Hill Dr. Houston Tx. 77099
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John "Kzin" Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ProAudio 16 Basic Message-ID: <129752@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 7 Jan 94 03:40:20 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Has anyone noticed the new PA16 Basic? It looks basically like the PASpectrum 16, without the scsi adaptor.. it says it's supported by NEXTSTEP right on the package.. thing is, it's only $20 or $30 less than a PAS16.. So I'm not sure what value it has in comparison.. If anyone has heard of it, do you know if it uses the same NEXTSTEP driver as the Spectrum, or does it come with it's own NS driver? It says it has a standard PC game port.. I'm wondering if the thrustmaster will work with it.. Since I'd like to get a joystick for my dos games.. (no, I don't expect the joystick to be supported by NEXTSTEP). Anyways, any info would be appreciated.. and I thought I'd let people know in case they want to add the card for their Next system, and want to save the $20 bucks. John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.============== "Discussing whether or not computers can think is about as interesting as discussing whether or not submarines can swim." -- Dijkstra
From: "James Gaines" <p00378@psilink.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS v3.2, v3.1 & v3.0 For SALE!!! ... REDUCED!!! Date: Thu, 06 Jan 94 22:06:32 -0600 Organization: GCC Message-ID: <2966997929.3.p00378@psilink.com> I have three (3) versions of NeXTstep OS CDs for sale: 0) - NeXTstep for Intel v3.2 a. One (1) User CD b. One (1) Developer CD c. Accompanying Material: * "3.2 Release Notes" * "Upgrading To NeXTstep Release 3.2" * "Installing & Configuring NeXTstep Rel 3.2 For Intel Processors" * "3.2 Supplemental Release" * All in original packing Price: $650.00 1) - NeXTstep for Intel v3.1 a. One (1) User CD b. One (1) Developer CD Price: $350.00 OBO 2) - NeXTstep for Motorola v3.1 a. One (1) User CD b. One (1) Developer CD Price: $300.00 OBO 3) - NeXTstep for Motorola v3.0 a. One (1) User and Developer CD Price: $150.00 OBO All versions come with the full and complete versions. In other words these are not student, demo or evaluation versions. Also, all CDs may be registered to the new owner without hassle or apprehension. Prices do not include shipping which will happen via Federal Express 2nd Day C.O.D. Thanks. Peace, James Message-Id: <2966768590.3.p00378@psilink.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 94 06:29:59 -0600 From: "James Gaines" <p00378@psilink.com> Organization: GCC Subject: NS 3.1 & 3.0 FOR SALE! Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software I have two versions of NeXTstep OS CDs for sale: 1) - NeXTstep for Intel v3.1 (WHITE HARDWARE) a. One (1) User CD b. One (1) Developer CD Price: $600.00 or OBO 2) - NeXTstep for Motorola v3.1 (BLACK HARDWARE) a. One (1) User CD b. One (1) Developer CD Price: $550.00 or OBO 3) - NeXTstep for Motorola v3.0 (BLACK HARDWARE) a. One (1) User CD b. One (1) Developer CD Price: $200.00 or OBO 4) - NeXTstep v3.1 Original Hardcopy Documentation a. One (1): Received at 1993 SF NeXTExpo Price: $200.00 or OBO All items above are the full and complete versions. In other words these are not student, demo or evaluation versions. Also, all CDs may be registered to the new owner without hassle or apprehension. Prices do not include shipping which will happen via Federal Express 2nd Day C.O.D. Thanks. Peace, James
From: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Installing NS 486 with OS/2 2.1 and ATI GUP Date: 6 Jan 1994 20:32:33 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Message-ID: <2gie3h$62q@epas.utoronto.ca> References: <2gapuk$nr8@epas.utoronto.ca> <1994Jan4.214408.21055@prz.tu-berlin.de> <CJ76xF.FwI@utstat.toronto.edu> Thanks to the various replies to my initial message, I've finally been able to get the setup I desired. It turns out the key element was the use of the "fdisk /mbr" command from DOS to eliminate the use of the NextStep boot manager by default. I still don't have colour working yet in NextStep, but a friend is going to print out his BIOS settings (he has an ATI GUP, AMI bios, and has the memory aperture enabled properly) and hopefully they'll work on my system. Thanks again. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | George Kirikos Internet: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca | | Toronto, Canada Telephone: (416) 537-1756 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS/FIP 3.2 Academic availability? Date: 6 Jan 1994 20:40:12 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Message-ID: <2giehs$6pv@epas.utoronto.ca> References: <CJ6Iv9.9o7@rdcalr.realdec.com> In article <CJ6Iv9.9o7@rdcalr.realdec.com> dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean Banfield) writes: >driver. 3.2 comes along and they call me to tell me I can 'upgrade' to >full 3.2 for $1900. It would include manuals and (I assume) the right to >create/deploy commercial software. I don't care about those things. I'm >just eager to learn and explore in the privacy of my basement. I'm not >affiliated with any institution of higher learning, but would like to take >advantage of the academic packaging. Is this illegal? Is there a place >that will sell it to me without a student ID or other mark of academic >pursuit? I understand its about $300 (or so). TIA. Why not do enroll in a half-course or something at a local university or college (cost of maybe $300 ??), and then you can get the academic price ethically (assuming they don't discriminate between full-time and part-time students)? There are so many savings that one can get just by being a student (e.g. half-price newspaper subscriptions, academic pricing on computer stuff, ...) that I'll probably continue to enroll in courses after I get my Ph.D. ;-) -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | George Kirikos Internet: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca | | Toronto, Canada Telephone: (416) 537-1756 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.admin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Reliability of network adapters for NSI 3.2? Date: 6 Jan 1994 10:41:28 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2ggmc8$9a@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2gcl54$bov@netnews.upenn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) writes: >I'm looking for any comments/criticisms/dirt on the LAN adapters fro >NSI 3.2. The 3COM EtherLink IIK is the only EISA adapter listed in >the hardware compatability guide. Does this mean that it is the fastest? >Someone told me that they had experienced "bugs" with all the adapters >except intel EtherExpress 16. Can anyone else comment on the reliability >of the network cards they are using. The network I'm assembling is for >mission critical apps, and we could not afford ANY bugs in the LAN >adapters/drivers. Any comments much appreciated. Thanks. I don't have any problems at all with my Intel EtherExpress 16. It just works. Regards, Markus. -- Marsu: "Es gibt tatsaechlich Leute, die ohne Computer gluecklich und zufrieden leben." -- Frankie: "Ach was, die emulieren das doch nur!" ----- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Intel aside.
From: Dan_Menchaca*@quickmail.apple.com (Dan Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Installing NS 486 with OS/2 2.1 and ATI GUP Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 7 Jan 1994 06:18:50 GMT Organization: Apple Distribution: world Message-ID: <Dan_Menchaca*-060194221441@mac10.kip.apple.com> References: <2gapuk$nr8@epas.utoronto.ca> In article <2gapuk$nr8@epas.utoronto.ca>, gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone explain how to correctly install NS 486 on a machine with > DOS and OS/2 partitions. So far, I've tried it two different ways with > no luck. > > In my latest attempt, I tried installing Nextstep first, giving it 400 > MB out of my 1.2GB hard disk. It installed properly (using the default > VGA adapter, see below for problems with the ATI GUP), and I could > (and can still) run NextStep. > > Then, I rebooted, running the OS/2 2.1 installation kit. Its fdisk > program saw the following: > > 600 MB of free space, followed by 423 MB of NextStep, followed by > 146MB of free space. > > I created a boot manager partition, a 300 MB HPFS partition for OS/2, > and a 299 MB partition for DOS. No matter what I tried, I couldn't get > the 146 MB free space at the end to be usable (I could create a > primary partition for it, but the "access type" was marked UNUSABLE. > Is the space beyond 1024 MB restricted to certain types of > partitions?? (I had no problems before, when I simply had a big DOS > and a big OS/2 partition). > > Anyways, the first part of the OS/2 installation seemed to go > smoothly. Then, it rebooted the machine to continue the installation > (only a mini-system is installed at first, then one reboots and > continues with a configuration section, ...). However, the NextStep > boot manager interceded!! (I would have thought that the OS/2 boot > manager would have overwritten it) No matter which partition I tried > to boot from the NextStep boot manager, it couldn't find the OS/2 > partition (it would typically crash, saying ROM BASIC not found). > > Is it possible to have the following setup: > i) OS/2's bootmanager > ii) 400 MB HPFS partition for OS/2 2.1 > iii) 350 MB FAT partition for DOS > iv) 450 MB NextStep partition > v) No free space left on 1.2 GB hard disk > > If so, how?? > > Also, I'm having trouble getting my ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (2 MB VRAM, > Local Bus) to work in colour with the NextStep system. I believe the > problem might involve the memory aperture not being enabled on the > graphics card (when I tried using the setup program under DOS, I > couldn't enable the memory aperture -- the first 128 MB of RAM would > be marked as being used by the system ("S" for those who've seen the > setup program) -- and playing with the AMI BIOS settings never seemed > to allow it work). Is this the problem, and if so, are there any > workarounds?? If not, can someone suggest a good card to replace the > ATI (hopefully something that will be "plug and play" in its > installation)?? > > [BTW, my hardware configuration is: 486DX2-66, ISA, Adaptec SCSI > controller, Toshiba hard disk and Toshiba CDROM, 32 MB of RAM, Local > Bus video, AMI BIOS] > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions, > > George Kirikos > > > -- > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | George Kirikos Internet: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca | > | Toronto, Canada Telephone: (416) 537-1756 | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ I don't have NeXTStep yet, but I did pondor on the situation. A few questions you might want to ask: 1) Does NeXTStep support the Master bootstrap? Does OS/2? 2) Does NeXTStep's partition compatable DOS Primary or Extended partitions. If not, OS/2 may have trouble recognizing the other partition. OS/2's partitions are compatable to DOSes partitions. Tell me if you have any luck. If worse comes to worse you will have to do this: Get a SCSI Host Adaptor. Get two SCSI drives Plug you drives into external cases. Put NeXTStep on on drive and OS/2 on the other. When you want to boot from NeXTStep set the ID to 0 for that drive and the other to another non-conflicting number. Do the opposite when you want to boot from OS/2.
From: Dan_Menchaca*@quickmail.apple.com (Dan Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Installing NS 486 with OS/2 2.1 and ATI GUP Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 7 Jan 1994 06:20:53 GMT Organization: Apple Distribution: world Message-ID: <Dan_Menchaca*-060194222340@mac10.kip.apple.com> References: <2gapuk$nr8@epas.utoronto.ca> In article <2gapuk$nr8@epas.utoronto.ca>, gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone explain how to correctly install NS 486 on a machine with > DOS and OS/2 partitions. So far, I've tried it two different ways with > no luck. > > In my latest attempt, I tried installing Nextstep first, giving it 400 > MB out of my 1.2GB hard disk. It installed properly (using the default > VGA adapter, see below for problems with the ATI GUP), and I could > (and can still) run NextStep. > > Then, I rebooted, running the OS/2 2.1 installation kit. Its fdisk > program saw the following: > > 600 MB of free space, followed by 423 MB of NextStep, followed by > 146MB of free space. > > I created a boot manager partition, a 300 MB HPFS partition for OS/2, > and a 299 MB partition for DOS. No matter what I tried, I couldn't get > the 146 MB free space at the end to be usable (I could create a > primary partition for it, but the "access type" was marked UNUSABLE. > Is the space beyond 1024 MB restricted to certain types of > partitions?? (I had no problems before, when I simply had a big DOS > and a big OS/2 partition). > > Anyways, the first part of the OS/2 installation seemed to go > smoothly. Then, it rebooted the machine to continue the installation > (only a mini-system is installed at first, then one reboots and > continues with a configuration section, ...). However, the NextStep > boot manager interceded!! (I would have thought that the OS/2 boot > manager would have overwritten it) No matter which partition I tried > to boot from the NextStep boot manager, it couldn't find the OS/2 > partition (it would typically crash, saying ROM BASIC not found). > > Is it possible to have the following setup: > i) OS/2's bootmanager > ii) 400 MB HPFS partition for OS/2 2.1 > iii) 350 MB FAT partition for DOS > iv) 450 MB NextStep partition > v) No free space left on 1.2 GB hard disk > > If so, how?? > > Also, I'm having trouble getting my ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (2 MB VRAM, > Local Bus) to work in colour with the NextStep system. I believe the > problem might involve the memory aperture not being enabled on the > graphics card (when I tried using the setup program under DOS, I > couldn't enable the memory aperture -- the first 128 MB of RAM would > be marked as being used by the system ("S" for those who've seen the > setup program) -- and playing with the AMI BIOS settings never seemed > to allow it work). Is this the problem, and if so, are there any > workarounds?? If not, can someone suggest a good card to replace the > ATI (hopefully something that will be "plug and play" in its > installation)?? > > [BTW, my hardware configuration is: 486DX2-66, ISA, Adaptec SCSI > controller, Toshiba hard disk and Toshiba CDROM, 32 MB of RAM, Local > Bus video, AMI BIOS] > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions, > > George Kirikos > > > -- > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | George Kirikos Internet: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca | > | Toronto, Canada Telephone: (416) 537-1756 | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ I don't have NeXTStep yet, but I did pondor on the situation. A few questions you might want to ask: 1) Does NeXTStep support the Master bootstrap? Does OS/2? 2) Does NeXTStep's partition compatable DOS Primary or Extended partitions. If not, OS/2 may have trouble recognizing the other partition. OS/2's partitions are compatable to DOSes partitions. Tell me if you have any luck. If worse comes to worse you will have to do this: Get a SCSI Host Adaptor. Get two SCSI drives Plug your drives into external cases. Put NeXTStep on on drive and OS/2 on the other. When you want to boot from NeXTStep set the ID to 0 for that drive and the other to another non-conflicting number. Do the opposite when you want to boot from OS/2.
From: Dan_Menchaca*@quickmail.apple.com (Dan Menchaca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 7 Jan 1994 06:31:37 GMT Organization: Apple Distribution: world Message-ID: <Dan_Menchaca*-060194222553@mac10.kip.apple.com> References: <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In article <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) wrote: > > I did a little research on the HP Gecko, and these are the > rumours that I came up with (just rumours, but some seemed > very informed): > > There will be a big announcement by HP and NeXT on Jan 18 > (Everybody should know about that by now). One person told > me that there will be an DEC alpha version demonstrated on > that date. > > As for the HP, code named Gecko: > There will be at least two machines, they may be called HP-7?2, > they will run PA-RISC at 60(40?) resp. 80 MHz and be nearly > as fast as a 730 resp. 735 (!). Low end prices will be $4000 resp. > $8000, configuration for the $4000 one will include 16Mb Ram, > 260Mb disk and a 15" monitor. The $8000 one will most likely > have more Ram, more disk and a 17" monitor. Both will have > 24 bit Graphics. They will have hardware support for JPEG > and MPEG compression (!). The fast version will do 130 Specfp. > They will be immediately available, since the announcement has > been held back to avoid cannibalization of the 7?5 workstation > line. They will run NEXTSTEP and NT, although one person > told me they were designed with NEXTSTEP in mind and the > WSJ reported that NT is not a high priority for HP right now. > On the other hand, the WSJ did not mention NEXTSTEP at all. I > assume that they will run HP/UX as long as NS or NT are > not yet available. > > I was surprised how many people that answered mentioned > NEXTSTEP. I purposely avoided mentioning it, but really > that is what I am most interested in. The Gecko promises > to be a real Indy-killer and a worthy replacement for the > NeXTdimension system, with MPEG/JPEG hardware > support, which will most likely mesh perfectly with the > upcoming NeXTtime video support in NEXTSTEP. > > It seems that finally there is a worthy platform for NEXTSTEP, > combining the fastest available hardware with the most advanced > available operating system. NeXT and HP will be able to make > inroads into the multimedia market, and possibly even the 3-d > graphics market. It's almost too good to be true. > > > All comments are welcome. > > Andreas Windemuth > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics > |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail > |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- What NeXT needs now is massive cirrculation. The problem in the past was supporting CISC design and not RISC designed CPUs. Now, they chose a RISC CPU finally. Unfortunatley, as sucessful as HP is, the number of units sold don't even come close to that of Apple's or IBM's. I think NeXT should port their OS to the PowerPC. More users will have more power at their fingertips when they buy PreP clones. I think NeXTStep would be an attractive choice as apposed to Solaris, SCO ODT, AIX, PowerOpen, WindowsNT, etc. for a PreP based machine. In case no one knows what a PreP spec is, it is a design spec formulated by IBM. ******************************************************************************** * Disclaimer: The opions expressed here are of my own design and are not * * the opinions or attitudes of Apple Computer * ********************************************************************************
From: richard%runner.uucp@usc.edu (Richard Ruth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Stelth Works Again (68040) Date: 6 Jan 1994 06:45:15 -0800 Organization: runner Sender: richard@runner.uucp@usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gh85r$1lj@runner.uucp> Remember Stelth, the Piper Cherokee-180 flight simulator that was in NeXT's system software release 2.1? I could not get it to work in 3.0 or 3.1. Stelth works under 3.2 on my NeXT Station. -- Richard richard%runner.uucp@usc.edu (ok to send NeXT Mail)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,andi.misc From: infopers@nextsrv1.andi.org (Email Info-Server Administrator) Subject: User group listings in the ANDI Resource Guide & InfoServer Message-ID: <CJ7MCC.LKK@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NEXTSTEP,NUG Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 13:19:24 GMT Greetings from ANDI: You may have seen from our recent postings that we are putting together a resource guide for NEXTSTEP (and soon OPENSTEP). One of the most common questions we get at tradeshows is, "How can I get in touch with someone in my local area?" Last night I sent an email out to all know NUGs using the most current list of Users Groups. If you did not receive an email similar to this one, then we may not have your correct information. We have only a few days before our first issue of the guide goes to press and want to hear from you immediately if your NUG is still active. Please supply us with the following information in the order listed and in ASCII format (so it will be easy to edit). NUG Name (NUG abbreviation - optional) Mailing Address day time phone evening phone if applicable fax number email address main contact Title (optional) usual meeting day and date with time (such as 1st Tuesday of the month at 7pm) Year Founded Yearly dues or indicate no dues Name and frequency of Newsletter If you wish to include any additional information such as a secondary contact, please skip two lines and then continue. This will make it easy to cut and paste this information into the Guide. Any submissions received by Friday, January 7, 1994 should make it into the Resource Guide. Note: Do not supply the exact meeting address in the fiirst section. If you wish to provide that, do so in the second section. In addition, we will give User Groups a free listing on our InfoServer which is available 24hours a day, 365 days a year. I have already begun to receive responses from some of the NUGS and you can check for the latest listing by following the directions that follow: Send your submissions to: info-submit@nextsrv1.andi.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If you want an index of all Files available on the ANDI InfoServer: Send mail to: info@andi.org In the Subject field place the word: index for a Users Group index: index User_Groups for the most current list ANDI is compiling: send User_Groups NUG-EmailList
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Installing hard drive question-- Message-ID: <1994Jan7.103942.24604@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1994Jan6.204347.10453@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 10:39:42 GMT In article <1994Jan6.204347.10453@beaver.cs.washington.edu> fineman@cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) writes: > Hi netters: > > I went out and picked up a new hard disk for my NSFIP machine yesterday; > supposedly a 245mb disk (a maxtor 7245A drive). I plugged it in all > correctly, and booted up. After configuring the CMOS with all the > proper numbers, nextstep boots up and tells me that the hard drive > is "damaged", so i initialize it. > > problem: > > It only gives me ~210mb free (i forget exactly how much, but it's nowhere > near 245)! The only files on it are the lost&found and the .hidden. > Fdisk tells me that the drive is only something like 213 mb; does this > mean that it will format only in DOS to 245mb? The UNIX file system used by NeXT leaves 10% of each partition unallocatable to normal users. This space can only be used by root (e.g. in emergencies, to copy/generate a new kernel etc.). Additionally there is some (~5%?) loss due to the inode tables (block allocation maps) and other file system stuff. 210MB is about what you would usually expect from a 245MB disk when running UNIXes of some sort. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Humans: Interesting species of semi-intelligent mammals where each individual is usually more intelligent than a colony of bees or ants, but a comparably sized group of humans behaves less intelligently than a single bee or ant.
From: jnicolas@athena.mit.edu (Julien J Nicolas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: Best places to buy memory (cheap)? Date: 7 Jan 1994 11:41:39 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Message-ID: <JNICOLAS.94Jan7064139@puttanesca.mit.edu> Looking for recommendations on where to get cheap simms. Especially interested in the price of 8 and 16 meg 72pin varieties. CSNA lists 4 companies. The lowest price I have found for 8 meg simms is $274 (Chip Merchant) and 16 meg is $536 (First Tech). Have people found cheaper places? Thanks in advance, Julien Nicolas jnicolas@mit.edu
From: bosborne@nature.BErkeley.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help, I can't login?! Date: 7 Jan 1994 12:52:22 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: root@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9401071752.AA07737@nature.Berkeley.EDU.cnr-net> To the group, I posted a similiar message recently, to no avail :-( I recently upgraded to 3.2, using the automatic option. I had been using the 'me' account on my standalone, unnetworked machine. Now, when I login as 'me' the loginwindow vanishes, then simply reappears a few seconds later. The loginwindow does not shudder, as in an erroneous login. I _can_ login as root, no problem. I can create a new account, say 'brian', using User Manager app. The new /brian directory is owned by 'brian'. However, the same thing happens. When I login as 'brian' I can't get to the Workspace! Does anyone know why this is happening? I will summarize. Thank you for your attention to this matter, Brian O. bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu
From: qtmc@villon.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Babak Nivi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mpeg Date: 7 Jan 1994 17:45:20 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gk73g$5at@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> In article <2gcufr$1uu@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> you wrote: : Does anyone know where to find some good : mpeg movies? nic.funet.fi wuarchive.wustl.edu ftp.uni-stuttgart.de -- Babak Nivi University of Michigan, Ann Arbor babak.nivi@umich.edu
From: recep@avci.oscs.montana.edu (Recep Avci) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MS Windows on Soft-PC for NeXT: Does it work? Date: 7 Jan 1994 18:17:20 GMT Organization: Department of Physics, Montana State University, Bozeman Montana Message-ID: <2gk8vg$k7m@pdq.coe.montana.edu> Hi, I have a NeXtStation Color and would like to buy the Soft PC software to be able to be competible with people in the department, particularly to exchange files and documents written in WordPerfect (as well as other PC based) application(s). My question is this: Does the Soft PC accept Microsoft Windows, if so the version, and wheather or not I can run a Wordperfect for Wondows and use Math Editor to put formulas and things of that sort? Please send answers to me or to the net. Next mail is accepted. Thank you in advance for your help on this. Recep avci
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: alice!pgirone (Paul A. Girone) Subject: Automatic Mail Response System Message-ID: <1994Jan7.185224.1158@looking-glass.com> Keywords: mail Sender: pgirone@looking-glass.com (Paul A. Girone) Organization: Looking Glass Design, Inc. Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:52:24 GMT Does anyone know of/use mail software for Nextstep which gives an automated mail service simmilar to what NextAnswers does? I want to be able to automatically send out appropriate information based on the subject line in the mail message. -- Paul A. Girone paul_girone@looking-glass.com Looking Glass Design, Inc. 604-451-7461 Suite 408, 3700 Glimore Way 604-451-7490 Fax Burnaby, BC, CANADA, V5G 4M1
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Reliability of network adapters for NSI 3.2? Date: 7 Jan 1994 20:39:38 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gkhaa$1lf@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <2ggmc8$9a@marsu.tynet.sub.org> > joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) writes: > > >I'm looking for any comments/criticisms/dirt on the LAN adapters fro > >NSI 3.2. The 3COM EtherLink IIK is the only EISA adapter listed in > >the hardware compatability guide. Does this mean that it is the fastest? > >Someone told me that they had experienced "bugs" with all the adapters > >except intel EtherExpress 16. Can anyone else comment on the reliability > >of the network cards they are using. The network I'm assembling is for > >mission critical apps, and we could not afford ANY bugs in the LAN > >adapters/drivers. Any comments much appreciated. Thanks. The Fall 1993 NEXTSTEP In Focus tests the 3Com, SMC, and Intel Ethernet cards under NS/FIP. After reading that article, I wouldn't consider buying either the 3Com or SMC cards if I wanted decent performance, especially with NFS. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Looking for Adobe mail server/ ppdf HP LJ 4mP Message-ID: <PXTKBXMK@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 19:36:23 GMT I'm looking for the address of the adobe mail server to get the ppdf file for the HP LJ 4mP. I've also heart about a programm to generate ppdf files. Any hints? Thanks, Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-37077 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095 Email: mzeller@gwdg.de
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.2 Academic Upgrade Date: 7 Jan 1994 21:03:59 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2gkinv$hp3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Our black hardware lab NeXTs have been at the 2.1 level and we've been wanting to upgrade to the current level, which is 3.2, including having the ability to create our own programs and applications. The cost of the upgrade from NeXT is prohibitive (at least $1200) and they offer no academic discount -- despite the fact that 4 years ago, you HAD to be an academic to even buy a NeXT! But after much searching around I find that NASCORP (800-321-3883) offers the following two packages, which hopefully will allow us to upgrade: Description NASC Cat. No. Univ. of Ill. Price 1) 3.2 Academic Bundle for Intel #93010132333 $227 2) 3.2 Upgrade for 68K Motorola #9301036460 $268 I have been told that 1) contains two CD's. One is the end-user product for white hardware and the other contains the developer files which may be used on either white or black hardware. I have been told that 2) contains the end-user CD for black hardware. Noone has been able to verify exactly what is in each of these packages (documentation?) and they can't be returned once they are opened. I'd appreciate it if anyone who has already received these packages could tell me exactly what they contain. Jim Beauchamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.admin,comp.sys.next.misc From: dennis@nebulus.ampr.ab.ca (Dennis S. Breckenridge) Subject: Re: Reliability of network adapters for NSI 3.2? References: <2gcl54$bov@netnews.upenn.edu> <2ggmc8$9a@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Organization: "Alchemy Mindworks" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:39:18 GMT Message-ID: <CJ9q9I.Lr7@nebulus.ampr.ab.ca> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: >joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) writes: >>I'm looking for any comments/criticisms/dirt on the LAN adapters fro >>NSI 3.2. The 3COM EtherLink IIK is the only EISA adapter listed in >>the hardware compatability guide. Does this mean that it is the fastest? >>Someone told me that they had experienced "bugs" with all the adapters >>except intel EtherExpress 16. Can anyone else comment on the reliability >>of the network cards they are using. The network I'm assembling is for >>mission critical apps, and we could not afford ANY bugs in the LAN >>adapters/drivers. Any comments much appreciated. Thanks. >I don't have any problems at all with my Intel EtherExpress 16. >It just works. I ended up dumping both my 3c509 and 3c579 (ISA and EISA) ethernet cards and getting the Intel Express 16. All of my network related crashes have disappeared. Now if the PAS driver would work... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Breckenridge Microsoft Windoze. Genetic throwback from the dennis@nebulus.ampr.ab.ca natural selection of UNIX. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: 3.2 arrives Message-ID: <1994Jan7.210327.19642@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 21:03:27 GMT I just received my 3.2 upgrade. I mention this because I had all but given up on ever seeing it given that I had changed addresses and they actually got it to my new address. Both User and Developer were in the same box, too! -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-5853 or 363-9001 (Hou) (713) 363-9763 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: fineman@cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) Subject: Why did my external disk turn into its own system? Message-ID: <1994Jan7.232704.26460@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 23:27:04 GMT so I've got a new hard disk up and running in my system, and it suddenly decides to go independent on me. The icon (i can't find a .dir.tiff) for the drive is "black slab with monitor" instead of the old disk, and i can't recycle things on that drive ("The recycler is on a different disk for /Harddisk"). This happened after i had booted up and it told me that the hard drive was "damaged", and asked if i wanted to "repair". What happened? thanks dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: harnton@world.std.com (James D Harrington) Subject: Webster broken in 3.0 Message-ID: <CJA9A7.E3H@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 23:30:06 GMT Hello Fellow NeXT-netters, I recently upgraded from NS 2.1 to NS 3.0 on Black hardware. After installing t he OS, I was able to use Webster just fine. Having intalled the whole literatur e and documentation package, I knew it was possible to delete the comp[act dicti onary. When I did, however, Webster would quit whenever I tried to start a sear ch in the dictionary. So I re-installed Webster, and it continued to do the sam e thing. I then de-installed anything I could think of relating to Webster, and then re-installed it again. Still no dice. The thesaurus works OK, but a coup le of seconds after pressing a the search button in the dictionary, it quits. A ny suggestions to clear up this vexing, problem? Thanks in advance. Peace, James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: clarance@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Clarance Howatt) Subject: Help compiling httpd Message-ID: <1994Jan7.230011.6246@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 23:00:11 GMT Has anyone successfully compiled the NCSA version of HTTPD for NSI. -- ============================================================ Clarance Howatt Programmer, Information Systems \\\ /// University of Alberta Hospitals \\\ /\ /// WMC 2C2.21, 8440 - 112th Street, \\\ //\\ /// Edmonton, Alberta \\\///\\\///
From: gendreau@sc.hp.com (Jim Gendreau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help Us Design Your Server Date: 8 Jan 1994 07:58:05 GMT Organization: Hewlett Packard Message-ID: <2glp2d$f45@hpscit.sc.hp.com> Summary: Keywords: Help Us Design Your Next Server =============================== We are in the process of setting our design objectives for our next generation servers. If you would take a few minutes to answer the questions below and e-mail the result to me it would be very helpful to us. We need to make many design trade-offs as we go through the system design process, so having your thoughts will make it easier for us to do the best for you. Please do not post your reply, as I am posting this request in many discussion groups that I do not subscribe to. If you don't e-mail your comments to me, I may not get them. My e-mail address is: gendreau@ppg01.sc.hp.com Thanks for your help, Jim Gendreau Hewlett-Packard Questions: ========== 1) What is the major problem you have when you are trying to bring a new server on-line? 2) What could a system vendor design into their system to make it easier and faster to install and configure a server with your primary operating system (or networking operating system)? 3) How many servers do you set up each year? Where are these servers? _____ Within walking distance _____ Within driving distance _____ Significant travel needed to reach it 4) What is your current primary operating system (network operating system)? What will it be in a year? 5) What subsystems and accessories do you usually install and configure initially? What problems do you have when you do this? 6) Could you tell us a little about yourself? Name ____________________________________ Address ____________________________________ ____________________________________ Phone ____________________________________ email ____________________________________ Type business _______________________________ Job function _______________________________ In the performance of your job, do you do any of the following? (please check all that apply) ___ Authorize/approve purchase of servers ___ Recommend/specify purchases of servers ___ No purchasing authority ___ Install and configure servers 7) Can we contact you, if we would like to get more information? Thank you for your help.
From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Automatic Mail Response System Date: 08 Jan 1994 15:10:51 GMT Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Message-ID: <KARTHY.94Jan8161051@dannug.dannug.dk> References: <1994Jan7.185224.1158@looking-glass.com> In-reply-to: alice!pgirone's message of Fri, 7 Jan 1994 18:52:24 GMT >>>>> "Paul" == Paul A Girone <alice!pgirone> writes: Paul> Does anyone know of/use mail software for Nextstep which gives Paul> an automated mail service simmilar to what NextAnswers does? Take a look at the Squirrel Mail Server Software. It's very nice, but based on Perl (perhaps this is no problem for you). The Mail Server can mail files back in arbitrary encoded formats (not NeXT-Mail, hence). It provides automatic tar/compress/encoding, replyes by uucp or e-mail, and provides transparent ftp possibilities and much much more!! It's quite easy to install (if you know a little Perl) and it very stable. I have been using it at the Danish NeXT User group in more than a year without any problems. Receive the last version by sending an e-mail to mail-server@nluug.nl. Regards, Karsten. -- Karsten Thygesen I Aalborg, Denmark karthy@dannug.dk (NeXT-Mail welcome) I Voice: +45 98 12 42 59 Chairman, Danish NeXT Users Group I Fax: +45 98 12 44 81
From: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Video Card Suggestions for NS 486 3.2 Date: 8 Jan 1994 13:25:48 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gmtrc$her@epas.utoronto.ca> Hi, It turns out that the reason I couldn't get the memory aperture feature working with the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro was that it will only work if one has an EISA motherboard (I have ISA), or if one has an ISA motherboard with 10 MB RAM or less (I've got 32 MB). So, I've decided to trash the ATI GUP (ATI's support for OS/2 drivers is a second reason). Thus, I wanted to know if anyone can recommend a video card that comes in a local bus version, will give me full colour support under NS 486 with my ISA motherboard (unlike the ATI GUP), and is reasonably priced (i.e. similar to ATI GUP). Thanks in advance, -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | George Kirikos Internet: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca | | Toronto, Canada Telephone: (416) 537-1756 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: ilg@imp.ch (Philippe Steindl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Date: 8 Jan 1994 19:36:30 +0100 Organization: Improware AG, Fuellinsdorf, Switzerland Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gmufe$gmf@indigo.imp.ch> References: <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <Dan_Menchaca*-060194222553@mac10.kip.apple.com> Hello, hm .. interesting. Why should it be an Indy killer? As far as I know, SGI doesn't want NS to be ported on Indies. And while the Indy is real, the Gecko is still vapourware :-) It's a very interesting project, though. The indy is only affordable in the lowet priced base model, since upgrades etc are quite expensive. What impressed me with the indy was it's completeness and boardspeed. What about the gecko? its spec int, its bus speed, its connections? The indy provides 167 MB/sec busspeed, 400MB memory <-> CPU speed, *real* fast scsi, ISDN, ethernet (AUI and TP), parallel (bidirectional, 1 MB/s), 2 serials, digital audio in's, analog audio ins, video ins etcetc. What about these Geckos? Do they privide all that? As well as a multimedia desktop (NS isn't that multimedia, I think .. correct me if I'm wrong). What about 6 stereo audio channels and such? This posting shouldn't be a start for a flamewar between the indy and one of these geckos. I was interested in the lowprice indy, because at last I could (eventually .-)) afford a neat risc workstation that's so complete. If this gecko will provide as many features with double CPU speed .. well .. it's clear what I will favorize in future .-). Especially because SGI seems to be the most expensive seller when it comes to upgrades.... while I think the students prices for NS are very nice :-) Thanx for your posting .. I'm waiting for the 18th january :) Philippe Steindl PS: Let's party .. this is my first posting into a next group :)
From: diego@ds5000.dgsca.unam.mx (Diego Martin Zamboni) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is NeXTanswers broken? Date: 8 Jan 1994 18:37:07 GMT Organization: UNIVERSIDAD NACIONAL AUTONOMA DE MEXICO Message-ID: <2gmugj$79p@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Does somebody know if NeXTanswers is out of order this days? I sent a couple of requests yesterday morning, and got nothing yet. Or is it so heavily loaded? :-) Thanks. -- ************************************************************************* * Diego Martin Zamboni * Depto. de Administracion de Supercomputo * * diego@ds5000.dgsca.unam.mx * D.G.S.C.A., UNAM, Mexico. * * (132.248.204.8) * * *************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fabien@free.fdn.org (Fabien Roy) Subject: Re: Looking for Adobe mail server/ ppdf HP LJ 4mP Message-ID: <1994Jan8.161558.3379@free.fdn.org> Sender: news@free.fdn.org Organization: Fabien Roy Electronic Engineering (F.R.E.E.) - Paris, France. References: <PXTKBXMK@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 16:15:58 GMT In article <PXTKBXMK@gwdu03.gwdg.de> mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: > I'm looking for the address of the adobe mail server to get > the ppdf file for the HP LJ 4mP. > I've also heart about a programm to generate ppdf files. > > Any hints? > > Thanks, > > Meinrad > > -- > Meinrad Zeller > Foehrenweg 1 > D-37077 Goettingen > Tel.: +49-551-300095 > Email: mzeller@gwdg.de > Adobe PostScript File Server <ps-file-server@mv.us.adobe.com> (c) 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All rights reserved. Subject: How to use the PostScript File Server From: Adobe PostScript File Server <ps-file-server> The Adobe File Server is a service run by Adobe Systems' Developer Support Organization. It is intended to provide 3rd party software developers with information on supporting the PostScript language. It is *NOT* a font-server, EPSF server, Application product update server, or other end-user service. The Adobe File Server is run via an automatic mail-response program. That means that you mail it a request, and it mails back the response. Adobe Systems also has an anonymous FTP archive, for users with FTP access. The FTP archive, ftp.adobe.com (130.248.1.4), contains the same information as ps-file-server. Users who have FTP access are encouraged to use the FTP archive in order to avoid the delays inherent in a mail-response server and the necessity of reassembling large files from several pieces. The file server does NOT have much error checking or correction. If you don't send it the commands that it understands, it will just answer "I don't understand you". The file server has 4 commands. Each command must be the *first* word on a line. The file server reads your entire message before it does anything, so you can have several different commands in a single message. The file server treats the "Subject:" header line just like any other line of the message. You can use any combination of upper and lower case letters in the commands. The archives are organized into a series of directories and subdirectories. Each directory has an index, and each subdirectory has an index. The top-level index gives you an overview of what is in the subdirectories, and the index for each subdirectory tells you what is in it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - If you are bored with reading documentation and just want to try something, then send the server a message containing the line: index programs When you get the index back, it will give you the names of all of the program files in the archive. Send the server another message asking it to send you the files that you want: send programs ehandler.ps If you are using a mailer that understands "@" notation, send to: ps-file-server@adobe.com If your mailer deals in "!" notation, try sending to: {someplace}!adobe!ps-file-server; for example: decwrl!adobe!ps-file-server For other mailers, you're on your own. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Here is some more documentation. The server has 4 commands: "help" command: The command "help" or "send help" causes the server to send you the help file. You already know this, of course, because you are reading the help file. No other commands are honored in a message that asks for help (the server figures that you had better read the help message before you do anything else). "index" command: If your message contains a line whose first word is "index", then the server will send you the top-level index of the contents of the archive. If there are other words on that line that match the name of subdirectories, then the indexes for those subdirectories are sent instead of the top-level index. For example, you can say: index or index programs or index AFMfiles You can then send back another message to the file server, using a "send" command (see below) to ask it to send you the files whose name you learned from that list. If your message has an "index" command, then all other "send" commands will be ignored. This means that you cannot get an index and data in the same request. This is so that index requests can be given high priority. "send" command: If your message contains a line whose first word is "send", then the file server will send you the item(s) named on the rest of the line. To name an item, you give its category and its name. For example: send AFMfiles AvantGarde-BookOblique or send programs ehandler.ps Once you have named a category, you can put as many names as you like on the rest of the line; they will all be taken from that category. For example: send AFMfiles AvantGarde-Book AvantGardeBookOblique Helvetica Each "send" command can reference only one directory. If you would like to get one AFMfile and one program, you must use two "send" commands, one beginning "send AFMfiles" and the other beginning "send programs". You may put as many "send" commands as you like into one message to the server, but the more you ask for, the longer it will take to receive. See "FAIRNESS", below, for an explanation. Actually, it's not strictly true that you can put as many "send" commands as you want into one message. If the server must use uucp mail to send your files, then it cannot send more than 100K bytes in one message. If you ask for more, the server will try to send you the files, and then the message will probably bounce back. See the Documents index for more information on retrieving large amounts of data. "path" command: The "path" command exists to help in case you do not get responses from the server when you mail to it. Sometimes the server is unable to return mail over the incoming path. There are dozens of reasons why this might happen. If you happen to know a way to circumvent particular kinds of mailer problems, you may put in a "path" command to override the normal attempt at returning your mail. If you put in a "path" command, then everything that the server mails to you will be mailed to that address, rather than to the return address on your mail. For example, if you say: path pyramid!rutgers!zakkaroo!jj then all mail sent by the server will be sent to that address. EXAMPLES: 1) Find out the list of all the top-level directories that are in the archive. Send this message: To: ps-file-server@adobe.com Subject: hi there index 2) Find out the list of all the AFM files that are in the archive. Send this message: To: ps-file-server@adobe.com Subject: index AFMfiles 3) Get some AFM files and a program from the archive (you have learned their file names from the list that was sent to you in step 2). To: ps-file-server@adobe.com Subject: send AFMfile Palatino-Roman send programs ehandler.ps send AFMfiles Sonata 4) Get the error handler program, and send it over the best path to your site: To: myvax!ihnp4!sun!decwrl!adobe!ps-file-server path myname@myhost.com send programs ehandler.ps NOTES: The file server acknowledges every request by return mail. If you don't get a message back in a day or two (depending on how close you are to adobe on the network) you should assume that something is going wrong, and perhaps try a "path" command. If you aren't getting anywhere and you don't know a wizard to help you, try putting: path myname@site.uucp in your message, where "myname" is your mailbox name and "site" is the uucp name of your machine. The delays in sending out large items from the archives are intentional, to make it difficult to get copies of everything in the archives. If you are new to the network and would like to get all back issues of everything, you should post a request to a regional newsgroup asking whether someone who is geographically near you can provide them. Don't send mail with long lines. If you want to ask for 20 files in one request, you don't need to put all 20 of them in one "send" command. The file server is quite able to handle long lines, but before your mail message is received by the file server it might pass through relay computers that will choke on long lines. The file server does not respond to requests from users named "root", "system", "daemon", or "mailer". This is to prevent mail loops. If your name is "Bruce Root" or "Joe Daemon", and you can document this, I might rewrite the server to remove this restriction. I have it on good authority that Norman Mailer does not use network mail. FAIRNESS: The file server contains many safeguards to ensure that it is not monopolized by people asking for large amounts of data. The mailer is set up so that it will send no more than a fixed amount of data each day. If the work queue contains more requests than the day's quota, then the unsent files will not be processed until the next day. Whenever the mailer is run to send its day's quota, it sends the requests out shortest-first. The reason for all of these quotas and limitations is that the delivery resources are finite, and there are many people who may like to make use of the archive. THANK YOU: Thank you for your patience in reading this message, and for using the Adobe PostScript File Server. Any suggestions are welcome. For now, we are not in a position to archive lots of other's user files, but if you have some specially useful debugging tools or other interesting pieces of PostScript, please send a copy of them to the moderator (ps-file-person@adobe.com). -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMails accepted) Fabien Roy Electronic Engineering 3 rue ANDRE DANJON, 75019 PARIS, France, Tel: 33 1 4040 0206 Fax: 33 1 4040 0641
From: long0@ncc.centel.com (Gary Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Video Card Suggestions for NS 486 3.2 Date: 8 Jan 1994 22:40:27 GMT Organization: Central Telephone Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gncor$dc1@coergw2.centel.com> References: <2gmtrc$her@epas.utoronto.ca> In article <2gmtrc$her@epas.utoronto.ca>, gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) writes: ------------------------------------------------- |> Hi, |> |> It turns out that the reason I couldn't get the memory aperture |> feature working with the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro was that it will only |> work if one has an EISA motherboard (I have ISA), or if one has an ISA |> motherboard with 10 MB RAM or less (I've got 32 MB). |> |> So, I've decided to trash the ATI GUP (ATI's support for OS/2 drivers |> is a second reason). |> |> Thus, I wanted to know if anyone can recommend a video card that comes |> in a local bus version, will give me full colour support under NS 486 |> with my ISA motherboard (unlike the ATI GUP), and is reasonably priced |> (i.e. similar to ATI GUP). |> |> Thanks in advance, |> |> -- |> +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |> | George Kirikos Internet: gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca | |> | Toronto, Canada Telephone: (416) 537-1756 | |> +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ The ATI card works very well with most VESA/ISA motherboards, and provides beautiful 16-bit color at 1024x768. I have tested mine in no fewer than 12 different machines, and found that it worked very well in all but one. That particular motherboard turned out to be an expensive piece of trash, as it did not support the entire VESA specification, and thus only worked with two specific local bus video cards. The memory aperture feature is REQUIRED for this card to provide full functionality. This feature defines a segment of address space for the card to use to address its on-board VRAM. If you have a 1MB card, then the aperature size is 1MB, and if you have a 2MB card, the aperature size is 2MB. -------------------------------------------------------------- ### The location of this address space is very important. ### -------------------------------------------------------------- The memory aperature can be set to address within a very wide range. You MUST set the address space of the aperature to begin ABOVE the system RAM. In other words, if you have a system with 32MB of ram on board, then you must set this aperature so that it takes a chunck of memory higher than 32MB. You do this by reading the instructions with the card and using the set-up utilities that came with the card. It is possible to adjust this setting within NeXTSTEP, using the configuration utility, but I've found that most people have better luck with the utilities that come with the card (especially when trying to set up a NeXTSTEP machine for the first time). For more detailed information on properly configuring this card, and your PC compatible computer in general, carefully consult the related NeXTanswers documents. They tend to be among the best PC tech support docs that I've ever encountered. Send email to: NeXTanswers@next.com with a subject: INDEX HELP ASCII and a message body: 1157 Best of luck. Gary Longsine long0@ncc.centel.com P.S. I have no ties to either NeXT or ATI. I just happen to be a satisfied customer.
From: vamp@csulb.edu (VampLestat) Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WWW browser for NeXTs Date: 8 Jan 1994 16:54:28 -0800 Organization: Me, organized? You gotta be kidding. Message-ID: <2gnkk4$j08@tern.csulb.edu> Keywords: www next mosaic I recall seeing a post a couple months ago suggesting there was going to be development of a new WWW browser for NeXTSTEP. I know there are two different beta versions out there, but I thought either CERN or NCSA had plans to begin work on a NeXT browser by about this time. Does anyone have any info on this? -- _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu | Student Consultant - Academic Computing Services CSU Long Beach | finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu for pgp public key
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) Subject: Re: Video Card Suggestions for NS 486 3.2 Sender: news@prz.tu-berlin.de (Newsadmin Elwood-PRZ) Message-ID: <1994Jan9.030729.26422@prz.tu-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 03:07:29 GMT References: <2gmtrc$her@epas.utoronto.ca> <2gncor$dc1@coergw2.centel.com> Organization: PRZ TU-Berlin Gary Longsine (long0@ncc.centel.com) wrote: > In article <2gmtrc$her@epas.utoronto.ca>, > gkirikos@epas.utoronto.ca (George Kirikos) writes: > ------------------------------------------------- > |> Hi, > |> > |> It turns out that the reason I couldn't get the memory aperture > |> feature working with the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro was that it will only > |> work if one has an EISA motherboard (I have ISA), or if one has an ISA > |> motherboard with 10 MB RAM or less (I've got 32 MB). > |> > |> So, I've decided to trash the ATI GUP (ATI's support for OS/2 drivers > |> is a second reason). > |> > |> Thus, I wanted to know if anyone can recommend a video card that comes > |> in a local bus version, will give me full colour support under NS 486 > |> with my ISA motherboard (unlike the ATI GUP), and is reasonably priced > |> (i.e. similar to ATI GUP). [...] > The memory aperature can be set to address within a very > wide range. You MUST set the address space of the aperature > to begin ABOVE the system RAM. In other words, if you have > a system with 32MB of ram on board, then you must set this > aperature so that it takes a chunck of memory higher than > 32MB. You do this by reading the instructions with the card > and using the set-up utilities that came with the card. [...] True as long you have the EISA, VESA or PCI version of the ATI GUP. As I understood the original poster he has the ISA version of the GUP (on the other hand he asked for recommendations for local bus versions...?). With the ISA version your are probably out of luck since the ISA bus carries only the lowest 24 address lines (i.e. A23:A0). This is a address range of 16MB and hence you can map the framebuffer of the ISA-GUP only below 16MB (BTW, also the reason why ISA- SCSI adapters like 1542B/C can only do busmaster-DMA below 16MB). As far as I know the GUP wants - regardless of the installed memory amount - always a aperture of 4MB, i.e. the memory aperture is with the ISA-GUP not useable if you have more then 12MB main memory installed (or you have an SiS chipset main board with which you could disable 4MB at the end of the 16MB address range and give it to the GUP - but you would loose the 4MB main memory.) Thomas -- Thomas Wolfram <thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de> Germany: 0 30 31421171 PRZ TU Berlin (EANTC) <wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de> abroad: +49 30 31421171 _____________________________________________________________________________ _____S__I__C____T__R__A__N__S__I__T____G__L__O__R__I__A____M__U__N__D__I_____
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: How do you change main monitor for dual headed system? Message-ID: <CJCGnM.49K@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 04:04:34 GMT Does anyone know an easy way around the following dilemna? a dual headed (2 monitor) cube (or dimension - not sure) was recently inherited. unfortunately, we only have one of the monitors and the login panel/console is set to the missing monitor. we cant just switch since one was color and one was mono. is there any easy way around this? I realize that if everything were working, you could change the "main" monitor using Preferences.app. Or if we can get it on a network, we can login remotely and use the dwrite command? but putting on a network is not so easy without being able to edit /etc/hostconfig etc. what defaults apply? any suggestions would be very gratefully received. thanks -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,andi.misc From: marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org (Marketing Director) Subject: Yes there are "exhibits" at the East Coast Developers Conference Message-ID: <CJBECH.29K@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NeXT,ECDC,exhibits Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 14:17:04 GMT ANDI - The Association of NeXTSTEP (and soon Openstep) Developers International, Inc. is pleased to announce that we have exhibits at the East Coast Developers Conference. A significant number of people have said they thought there were no exhibits at the event which is inaccurate. In the program they are listed as Hospitality... ..so join us and we be hospitable. We will be open: January 25 and 26 and are located in sections of the Maryland room at the Sheraton Washington Hotel in Washington, DC. The hotel is conveniently located at the Woodley PArk Metro stop (Metro is the light rail line) on the Red Line. Exhibitors as of 1/7/93 are: Springer Verlag/TELOS NorthStar Technologies Stediwatt Synex BlackSmith Logibec Thoughtful Software Ocean Software Auspex and Alembic ANDI TechNet In addition, we will be distributing the NEXTSTEP Resource Guide by ANDI. You will find information from the following organizations: ANDI Epitome BlackMarket eCesys NorthStar Muir Design Language Automation, Inc. ErgoTech Development, Inc. Stone Design Straight Face TELOS Stediwatt Visual Engineering Solutions Alembic Systems Digital Tool Works Trilium Sound Research Watershed Technologies Zion Software & Consulting Light Printing Co. Thoughtful Software DPT Blacksmith TechNet Interactive Software Engineer Ocean Software Objective Technologies Synex We hope to see you there! --- Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International, Inc. reply to:marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org "Take the NeXTSTEP and Keep on Truckin'..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Looking for NEXTSTEP users in Richmond or Charlotte Message-ID: <bchin.758048192@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 16:56:32 GMT Hi, I'm looking for NEXTSTEP users in Richmond, VA or Charlotte, NC. Anyone out there? Maybe enough to start a NUG? -- Bill Chin - bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.infosystems.www Subject: sndplay & Mosaic on NeXT Date: 9 Jan 1994 14:32:44 GMT Organization: UniNett Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gp4ic$767@ratatosk.uninett.no> I'm trying to use sndplay to run audio (.au) files retrieved by Mosaic (also mpleg_play) for mpeg files. None work. Both play the formats fine if the files originate on the Next but picking them off the net with Mosaic doesn't. Sndplay gives me a "3326 Memory fault" error message, mpeg_play says nothing. These are the relevant lines in my .mailcap file: > # This maps all types of audio data (audio/basic, audio/x-aiff, > # etc.) to the viewer 'showaudio'. Note that '%s' means 'put the > # datafile name here when the viewer is executed'. > audio/*; sndplay %s > audio/au; sndplay %s > > # This maps all types of images (image/gif, image/jpeg, etc.) > # to the viewer 'xv'. > image/*; xv %s > > # This maps MPEG video data to the viewer 'mpeg_play'. > video/mpeg; mpeg_play %s Now xv works just fine, but not the 2 others. Is it because they're not X applications? Any ideas? - Barre ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barre Ludvigsen - Ostfold Regional College- N-1750 HALDEN - Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- vox:+4769185400/home+4769341922/direct+4769185577ext219fax:+4769185485 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <A HREF="http://www.ludvigsen.dhhalden.no">Psst - Looky here.</A>
From: diego@ds5000.dgsca.unam.mx (Diego Martin Zamboni) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2gmugj$79p@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Control: cancel <2gmugj$79p@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: 9 Jan 1994 14:37:46 GMT Organization: UNIVERSIDAD NACIONAL AUTONOMA DE MEXICO Message-ID: <2gp4rq$l5m@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2]
From: bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: e-mail address for JANA Date: 9 Jan 1994 17:42:22 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gpfluINNaas@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Does anyone have the e-mail address to JANA? They advertised a CD-ROM special back in Oct/Nov, and I ordered it. To date, I have recieved nothing from them. Has anyone else who ordered these CD's that contained Next applications received them? Thanks. Reply to: Bruce Patton (bwp@engin.umich.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.matlab From: byrd@owlnet.rice.edu (Marc Byrd) Subject: MatLab on NeXT (Motorolla or Intel) Message-ID: <CJDI0y.EBt@rice.edu> Sender: byrd@owlnet.rice.edu (Marc Jeston Byrd) Organization: Rice University Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 17:31:46 GMT I use MatLab for mostly DSP & Image processing applications. Based on some rough benchmarks I ran on a NeXT 68040 using the Motorolla DSP (56001), specifically fft's, it seems I should be able to get pretty good performance (for a PC/Workstation) using Matlab if it in turn calls the DSP chip. Anyone know if this is the case? If not, I guess I could sort of port to the NeXT/DSP using the .mex interface, right? Along the same lines, how about NeXTStep/Intel with a DSP card, a la Intel i860 based? Based on some manufacturers specs for ffts (50 ms for a 256 X 256 complex fft!), this would be a real dream come true! I understand a company called Ariel makes such an i860 board for NeXT; are they still around, making a card for an Intel(80x86-pentium) machine? The last question: (sure it is ;^) If there is Matlab for the NeXT or for NeXT-Step/Intel, is it simply a Unix/X port, or is it written in objective-C? Marc (Please reply (e-mail) to byrd@harc.edu (NeXT-Mail welcomed), even if you send something to the newsgroups. I don't have time to read these everyday, and I might miss it.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@netcom.com (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Re: e-mail address for JANA Message-ID: <garycCJDovw.3I7@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2gpfluINNaas@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 19:59:56 GMT Bruce Wayne Patton (bwp@engin.umich.edu) wrote: : Does anyone have the e-mail address to JANA? They : advertised a CD-ROM special back in Oct/Nov, and I : ordered it. To date, I have recieved nothing from : them. Has anyone else who ordered these CD's that : contained Next applications received them? Thanks. I had placed a 6-CDs/year subscription back in Jan, 93. The last CD I received was the EXPO edition released in MAY/JUNE which adds my total collection to THREE where the 1st JAN/FEB CD being included in MAR/APR CD. They seemed to have posted the way they manage their money in the bank such that the subscribers can be confident with their 1 year/or 2 year subscription fee would not dissolve in water. Forget about sending mail to them, I doubt anyone is still managing that issue, all my previous E_mails to JANA went dead without any response. What's the catch? Well, at least, they have taught you an easy lession on how to grab the money out of people's poket while leaving little hope in it ,just big enough to hold you right there for the legal issue. How much have they gotten now? Average $75/ year subscription from 300+ subscribers. 75 X 300 = $22,500 Very smart!!! Gary : Reply to: : Bruce Patton : (bwp@engin.umich.edu)
From: hal@alfred.econ.lsa.umich.edu (Hal Varian) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.infosystems.www Subject: Re: sndplay & Mosaic on NeXT Date: 9 Jan 1994 22:33:27 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gq0nn$chs@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <2gp4ic$767@ratatosk.uninett.no> In article <2gp4ic$767@ratatosk.uninett.no> borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no writes: > > >I'm trying to use sndplay to run audio (.au) files retrieved by Mosaic >(also mpleg_play) for mpeg files. None work. Both play the formats fine >if the files originate on the Next but picking them off the net with >Mosaic doesn't. Sndplay gives me a "3326 Memory fault" error message, >mpeg_play says nothing. These are the relevant lines in my .mailcap >file: Here's the hack I use. I create an executable file in /usr/local/bin called showaudio that contains the lines: mv $1 $1.snd open $1.snd I do the same sort of thing for Postscript, MPEG and GIF files. This works just fine...but you've got to have an X emulator that doesn't take over the whole screen. (I use coXist.) -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: bosborne@nature.Berkeley.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fujitsu 525 in NeXTStation? Date: 9 Jan 1994 18:24:15 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: root@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9401092325.AA13671@nature.Berkeley.EDU.cnr-net> To the Group, Thanks for your recent responses to my login problems. One more. I would like to put my Fujitsu 525 (M2624) inside my NeXTStation, replacing my 105 Quantum. Could someone confirm that this will work, that it's not too hot in there? Also, can I do this myself, not being hardware-savvy? Thank you for your attention to this matter, Brian O. bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu
From: hacker@access.digex.net (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Want to print PC files on NeXT printer Date: 9 Jan 1994 14:56:25 -0500 Organization: Fortress Of Computation Message-ID: <2gpnh9$iin@access.digex.net> I have a PC. I have a NeXT. I have a NeXT printer. I want to print stuff from within programs on the NeXT printer. Anybody know of a reasonably inexpensive way to do this? Would CAP be the thing to use. I don't have a way of exporting the stuff I want to print into Postscript so I'm kindof stuck trying to find a way to print on the NeXT laser directly from a pulldown menu on the PC. Mail replies greatly prefered. Thanks a lot. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
From: rlion@access3.digex.net (eli) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Want to print PC files on NeXT printer Date: 9 Jan 1994 17:46:57 -0500 Organization: Rebellion System, Alexandria, VA Message-ID: <rlion.758155595@access3> References: <2gpnh9$iin@access.digex.net> hacker@access.digex.net (Dark Hacker) writes: >I have a PC. I have a NeXT. I have a NeXT printer. I want to print >stuff from within programs on the NeXT printer. Anybody know of a >reasonably inexpensive way to do this? Would CAP be the thing to use. >I don't have a way of exporting the stuff I want to print into Postscript >so I'm kindof stuck trying to find a way to print on the NeXT laser directly >from a pulldown menu on the PC. anyone know ANY way of doing this? cheap or not? post or mail -- rebel lion (rlion@access.digex.net (NeXTMail)) finger my account for computer stuff i have forsale void life() { aint_nothing(but_a,good->groove);
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Installing hard drive question-- Message-ID: <CJBMr8.1qF@zoodle.robin.de> Sender: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Organization: meow!!! References: <1994Jan7.103942.24604@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 17:18:44 GMT Volker Herminghaus-Shirai writes > In article <1994Jan6.204347.10453@beaver.cs.washington.edu> > fineman@cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) writes: > The UNIX file system used by NeXT leaves 10% of each partition unallocatable > to normal users. This space can only be used by root (e.g. in emergencies, > to copy/generate a new kernel etc.). Additionally there is some (~5%?) loss > due to the inode tables (block allocation maps) and other file system stuff. > 210MB is about what you would usually expect from a 245MB disk when running > UNIXes of some sort. Yes, but there is a way to get those 10% back, though it isn't 'recommended'. The 10% are also used to speed up allocation of blocks and especially to decrease fragmentation. It is possible (with 'tunefs', see man pages) to set the percentage, even down to zero. The 'fs' you want to 'tune' needs to be unmounted, easiest way in NEXTSTEP is to boot in single user mode (i.e. without NEXTSTEP - one does not do such things every day). Bye, Uli -- Das ist wie mit der Gleichung von Fermat - ein Raetsel, das wir wohl nie loesen werden - Captain Picard, StarTrek TNG, Folge 'Hotel Royal'
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Why no Help cursor? Date: 9 Jan 1994 20:57:34 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401100258.AA10620@cantina.lanl.gov> With this Epson NX with the NeXTUSA keyboard chosen, all in 3.2, holding down the <alt-ctl> key does NOT give me a help cursor. Does anyone else out there with a similar configuration see the same thing? Or, even better, know what I've set up wrong? Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
From: wjs@omnigroup.com (William Shipley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Want to print PC files on NeXT printer Date: 9 Jan 1994 18:28:07 -0800 Organization: The Omni Group Message-ID: <2gqefn$kge@yucca.omnigroup.com> References: <2gpnh9$iin@access.digex.net> <rlion.758155595@access3> Dark Hacker writes: >I have a PC. I have a NeXT. I have a NeXT printer. I want to print >stuff from within programs on the NeXT printer. Anybody know of a >reasonably inexpensive way to do this? Would CAP be the thing to use. >I don't have a way of exporting the stuff I want to print into Postscript >so I'm kindof stuck trying to find a way to print on the NeXT laser directly >from a pulldown menu on the PC. I haven't gotten it to work with MS-Widows yet, but by downloading a TCP packet driver from Intel's BBS, and downloading NCSA telnet, I've been able to get lpr to work from DOS, which is pretty darn neat. InterCon offers a package that gives you an NFS client, lpr driver, newsreader, telnet, and ftp dealy that all run under Windows. I think it's about $250, sounds like a good deal to me. (Considering the same packages for the Mac cost about $750 and aren't bundled, it's obvious they're going for volume here.) Call 'em at 1-800-468-7266, they've got a great try-before-you-buy policy. -Wil Shipley DISCLAIMER: I have no relationship with InterCon except I looked at their NFS client software on the Mac, and also a friend of mine just moved out to DC to work for them in some capacity. Incidentally, I didn't end up buying their NFS client software, because if you have a lot of Macs it's cheaper to buy IPT's Partner Plus (1-800-233-9993) to teach your server
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 9 Jan 1994 23:52:13 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2gqmtt$bap@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: Want to print PC files on NeXT printer Message-ID: <bchin.758167769@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <2gpnh9$iin@access.digex.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 02:09:29 GMT hacker@access.digex.net (Dark Hacker) writes: >I have a PC. I have a NeXT. I have a NeXT printer. I want to print >stuff from within programs on the NeXT printer. Anybody know of a >reasonably inexpensive way to do this? Would CAP be the thing to use. >I don't have a way of exporting the stuff I want to print into Postscript >so I'm kindof stuck trying to find a way to print on the NeXT laser directly >from a pulldown menu on the PC. Since there are two people asking, I'm posting... For one of my clients we went with the Sun PC-NFS route. For $275 + ethernet card, the PC can share files and set up 3 printer ports to be hooked into the BSD lpd print system. We print this way to NeXT color and B&W printers as well as EtherTalk printers using uShare. I chose PC-NFS for bulletproof NFS and seamless printing. There are PD solutions that typically capture the print job and you have to execute something to then print it. You can get cheaper commercial solutions that do not have as many TCP/IP features like NFS. Take a look at a copy of UNIXWORLD or other UNIX rags that advertise PC connectivity solutions. Don't forget to look around wuarchive.wustl.edu for PD alternatives (they weren't seamless enough for us). Of course, this all assumes your PC program can generate postscript output. We haven't found a satisfactory answer to programs that can only handle dot-matrix or HP's PCL. Good luck! -- Bill Chin - bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john.morgan@circles.com Subject: E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR JANA Message-ID: <9401100203.A6865wk@circles.com> Distribution: world Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 02:03:53 As of about a year ago,the e-mail address was:tamil@qucdn.queensu.ca. They have an 800 number:800-363-2083. I also ordered the 2 cd set at about the same time you did,but I haven't received anything either. I called the 800 number and paid for the CD by credit card. They haven't charged to my card yet though,fortunately. I read on the net a few weeks ago that the second CD that JANA was having made,was incorrectly manufactured with programs for another computer instead of the NeXT. I called the 800 number a few times at the beginning of last week and it just rang with no answer. I called on Thurs. & Friday and they had finally put an answering machine on the line. I left a message giving them the above info and I asked them to call me back. I may call them again this week. Because they haven't charged to my credit card,I'm not out any money,but I am curious whether they're going to send anything or not. Even if they were waiting to get a good CD manufacture on the 2nd cd,they could have sent their original CD out and make 10 bucks on those. Good luck. John
From: lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Lauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: e-mail address for JANA Date: 10 Jan 1994 09:11:09 GMT Organization: University of Tuebingen Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gr63d$ck7@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <garycCJDovw.3I7@netcom.com> In article 3I7@netcom.com, garyc@netcom.com (Gary I. Chang) writes: >Bruce Wayne Patton (bwp@engin.umich.edu) wrote: >: Does anyone have the e-mail address to JANA? They >: advertised a CD-ROM special back in Oct/Nov, and I >: ordered it. To date, I have recieved nothing from >: them. Has anyone else who ordered these CD's that >: contained Next applications received them? Thanks. > > I had placed a 6-CDs/year subscription back in Jan, 93. The last >CD I received was the EXPO edition released in MAY/JUNE which adds my total >collection to THREE where the 1st JAN/FEB CD being included in MAR/APR CD. >They seemed to have posted the way they manage their money in the bank such >that the subscribers can be confident with their 1 year/or 2 year subscription >fee would not dissolve in water. Forget about sending mail to them, I doubt >anyone is still managing that issue, all my previous E_mails to JANA went >dead without any response. > 75 X 300 = $22,500 Very smart!!! I'm too waiting for this CD they advertised in October. I don't understand what they are up to, since they said we should pay on arrival. If nothing arrives, they won't get any money (opposed to the problems with the subscription). What's the point ? Do they want to lose even their last customer ? If they take another couple of month to deliver these two CD's with "the latest stuff of the archives", I think I don't want them anymore. Bye, Harald --- Harald Lauer Those health nuts will look Wilhelm-Schickard Institut fuer Informatik stupid someday, lying in Universitaet Tuebingen hospital dying of nothing. Sand 13, 72076 Tuebingen, Germany lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de
From: jng@comp.hkbc.hk (Dr. Joseph Ng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Color Device Driver for GD542X Date: 10 Jan 1994 02:58:42 GMT Organization: HONG KONG BAPTIST COLLEGE Message-ID: <2gqg92$vff@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Just wonder if there is a color display device driver for GD542X (cirrus logic) SVGA card. I have 2 Mbyte on board, but the driver that comes with the NeXTSTEP-486 3.1 (evaluation package) can only display 2-bit gray scale. Hope somebody out here can help. --Joseph Ng-- Hong Kong Baptist College jng@comp.hkbc.hk
From: riley@nextchair.csfac.uwlax.edu (David Riley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.2 Academic Upgrade Date: 10 Jan 1994 14:15:19 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - La Crosse Message-ID: <2grntn$rud@alfred.acs.uwlax.edu> References: <2gkinv$hp3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <2gkinv$hp3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: > Our black hardware lab NeXTs have been at the 2.1 level and > we've been wanting to upgrade to the current level, which is > 3.2, including having the ability to create our own programs > and applications. The cost of the upgrade from NeXT is > prohibitive (at least $1200) and they offer no academic > discount -- despite the fact that 4 years ago, you HAD to be > an academic to even buy a NeXT! But after much searching > around I find that NASCORP (800-321-3883) offers the > following two packages, which hopefully will allow us to > upgrade: <some of the message omitted> > I've had similar difficulties with NeXT. It seems that neither the CA, nor Buffalo, NY know much about educational licensing, except how to forward callers to NASCORP. (By the way I have no idea why NeXT now has two sites CA & NY to answer the phones. I have talked to people in NY who didn't understand NeXT deadlines that I heard from the CA NeXT people.) Unfortunately, NASCORP seems to know nothing about NeXTstep, excepting its product number and price. (NASCORP as an organization is purely marketing, and only deals with university bookstores. They don't like to talk with you unless you give them your bookstore number.) > Noone has been able to verify exactly what is in each of > these packages (documentation?) and they can't be returned > once they are opened. I'd appreciate it if anyone who has > already received these packages could tell me exactly what > they contain. > We have received several NEXTSTEP 3.1 Academic Bundles, but not yet any 3.2 bundles, though I presume they will be the same with the updated software. The 3.1 bundles consist of the following. CD-ROM and installation floppy for the base system CD-ROM for NEXTSTEP Developer (compilers, IB, etc.) NEXTSTEP User's Guide Here's How Installing and Configuring NEXTSTEP Release Notes Support & Education Catalog Third-party Products for NEXTSTEP User Registration Card, Licensing Agreement, etc. We have received the NEXTSTEP 3.2 Motorola Upgrade package and it's pretty much the same as above, less all of the manuals and catalogs. More specifically, it consists of CD-ROM and installation floppy for the base system CD-ROM for NEXTSTEP Developer (compilers, IB, etc.) Installing and Configuring NEXTSTEP Release Notes Upgrading to NEXTSTEP Release 3.2 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dr. David D. Riley (Dave) Computer Science Professor (608) 785-6806 Acting Director of Academic Computing (608) 785-8029 University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, WI 54601 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
From: gopher2@bcarh530.bnr.ca (Avril Morris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: e-mail address for JANA Date: 10 Jan 1994 14:32:26 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Sender: gopher2@bcarh530 (Avril Morris) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2grotq$qvf@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <garycCJDovw.3I7@netcom.com> <2gr63d$ck7@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In article <2gr63d$ck7@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de>, lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Lauer) writes: |> In article 3I7@netcom.com, garyc@netcom.com (Gary I. Chang) writes: |> >Bruce Wayne Patton (bwp@engin.umich.edu) wrote: |> >: Does anyone have the e-mail address to JANA? They |> >: advertised a CD-ROM special back in Oct/Nov, and I |> >: ordered it. To date, I have recieved nothing from |> >: them. Has anyone else who ordered these CD's that |> >: contained Next applications received them? Thanks. |> > |> > I had placed a 6-CDs/year subscription back in Jan, 93. The last |> >CD I received was the EXPO edition released in MAY/JUNE which adds my total |> >collection to THREE where the 1st JAN/FEB CD being included in MAR/APR CD. Same here. I received only the first 3 discs and havn't heard from them since. Makes me glad that I didn't opt for the '2 year subscription' deal. [munch] |> I'm too waiting for this CD they advertised in October. [munch] |> If they take another couple of month to deliver these two CD's with "the |> latest stuff of the archives", I think I don't want them anymore. If you're waiting for these CD's still, they are going to be about 6 to 8 months out of date. ("All new Intel executables!!":-) -- Rob Parkhill || No email right now. Really. || What? Me speak for BNR Canada || Don't even try to send email to || BNR? I don't get paid (613) 763 8146 || gopher2, 'cause it will bounce. || enough to do that!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) Subject: GNU *.gz Utility Message-ID: <1994Jan10.153911.14163@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: GNU, uncompress Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 15:39:11 GMT I have received numerous file with the extensions *.qz. Could someone please tell me were I can pickup the binary version of the program to uncompress these files? I need it for black hardware. Please help, this is extremely annoying. O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov <NeXTMail OK>
From: skwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai Kee (Graduate Assistant)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.matlab Subject: Re: MatLab on NeXT (Motorolla or Intel) Message-ID: <CJF15s.tq@eng_ser1.ie.cuhk.hk> Date: 10 Jan 94 13:22:39 GMT References: <CJDI0y.EBt@rice.edu> Sender: news@eng_ser1.ie.cuhk.hk Organization: Engineering Faculty, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong Try to port the evans.ee.adfa.oz.au:/pub/RLaB if you are interesting to do so.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: willers@butp.unibe.ch (Moritz Willers) Subject: Ohlfs font is looking rather strange (RTF) Message-ID: <1994Jan10.163009.22897@aragorn.unibe.ch> Sender: news@aragorn.unibe.ch Organization: University of Berne, Switzerland Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 16:30:09 GMT Can anyone tell me what happened to my Ohlfs font? It's the second time I see this. It's only for the Ohlfs font at 10pt. Other sizes display correctly. The cursor is positioned as it is with the correct font, i.e. not where I click with the mouse. Rebooting help the last time. But that can't be the only solution and is certainly no explanation of the phenomena. Has anyone experienced this as well? (NS3.0 with a lot of fonts in the LocalLibrary) -- Moritz Willers Institute for Theoretical Physics Berne, Switzerland willers@butp.unibe.ch (NeXTMail) -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7'!A<F1<='@Q,34R7'1X,C,P-%QT>#,T-39< M='@T-C`X7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8Y,3)<='@X,#8T7'1X.3(Q-EQT>#$P,S8X7'1X M,3$U,C!<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,'M<3D='<F%P:&EC M,"`U.#4U.31?<&%S=&4N=&EF9@HR(&`*?0JL?5QP87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S M,#1<='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!<='@V.3$R7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39< M='@Q,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&8P7&(P7&DP7'5L;F]N95QF<S(T7&9C,%QC9C`@ M0V%N(&%N>6]N92!T96QL(&UE('=H870@:&%P<&5N960@=&\@;7D@3VAL9G,@ M9F]N=#]<"EP*"GM[7$Y'1W)A<&AI8S4S('!A<W1E+G1I9F8*,3,R-B!-,S14 M8"I`8&!@4#I@+UXA,"XB,#8C,#XD,$8E,$XF,%8G,%XH,28I,2XJ,38K,3XL M,48M,4XN,58O,5XP"DTQ15A@(B=`(C-@8"=0*C%2/B923C-2.C92,B%2+B%2 M7C10/CHS,CE2,CTP-CY/7CQ3*C4T*CLT+D)3)D,*35`J0U):-U0B031:2#-. M2%0N254V,%$J/U12-#4R23-6351:-U,B/U`Z33,^3%1>45-:/C0R4S1>/55. M-@I-,DY6539`4#)35$Y4-DY;-T9=5U935S)=-58S,SY%,D905%9%,R)),394 M55Y:5C)>.#9*-D8Z6#%?6%LH"DU54B0W-E]9(E@V*R%9+EXY5RM9.EA:+E<V M2EY8*E\W2D\X.S,X2S);+RI92RPQ-E@Z.EE9,S(U7E=2/ED*35!&33LJ2SI* M63I+*#4C+CI;-#I6/#@G.SPC1#E+13Q7)UTS-CQ'33U"*#M&(C@_0E@B.ETK M4%<_,#I/3@I-.E<_/D9?7$]1-C=6-DY$72]1.$\Y6S]+7B<I,#M56S=4*$!8 M.E8N7EA#6RI&7TL^+3)67")-*%I+6D]("DU:6S-./%L[1RQ)(3LL4"Q6(T]0 M4E9+7D]78$HP35I6*T907%9#7$L^5S-*,#A=3"$O*R0[*T\N6RI5+S<*32$T M,E!/)30K3$4F0T)11E)4+"](05PU3V!1*S!+8%A$8$]5)5LD,3)(0U(R)R<R M0$\A)3M4*U!!+$$R-@I-7#Q",%\I+"-0,R,\.TDY*5)03UTK,DM3*RQ44TPY M*$0J4S$M1%93/2U<6"@Z4UQ,4T,N3%LS3R\D7%-5"DTO/%XS6R]47U0A,"TA M-"<P12)4+3!=)#0S*",T4"$Q0B0S8%,])R\S)BM>,"DQ)"Y4-2Q,54E#,T(F M-%<*33$Z)31?,#4L,UTR)$0M4%Q#6#)1)CQ1,CTD-2@R0DPJ5E4L5UM(,EA/ M.T\N2S5$535%8#I&3B\V)3156@I-75PW,#LR1$@S)%5=*4A)*C5#3D$X5$M0 M32%5,T\](CM7+B\Z)4Q/4DM40RQ3-EU',#TW+"8Q*3HZ+35#"DTB-"=/135- M2$TD7UTM4D$G34DV2SU-4#$B0%M95EY65$\N.%]</%%:44U?5$1"/49723TM M2C%-.5U13BT*33E=63=9/DU"5C4T+#8V13]55E@U-RU2,SE`14TX,T--5SA! M)R8E4R<J75E863A$25@C128B52U`(SHX2PI-0UQ*63)#33A742E,34U$7CP] M5C)5)$LW,3<V/5`Z5TU!.4LW7$4U-T`M/5<J7EM`5SDH3$4W4S,J3#@E"DTT M)%I5)31=8#4I2BHP65)"+DXS/4I62S-73"Y-.RE,3E,[+TTF5%LU33Y6.SM- M5E=;04XN63M'3D9:6TT*34Y>7#M33S(H*")@8&!@5"%@8&`C8&!@8&`P(E9@ M8&`A8#!@(V!@8&!@,&!!8&!@(6!`8"-@8&!@8%!@8`I-8%I`(6!08"-@8&!@ M8#!@)6!@8"$A0&`C8&!@8&`P8")@8&`A)#!@)&!@8&!@,&!@8&!`(24P8"-@ M8&!@"DU@,&`C8&!@(25`8"1@8&!@8#!@8&`G0"$E4&`D8&!@8&`P8&!@3U0A M)D!@)6!@8&!@,&!@8%I8(2908"4*36!@8&!@,&!@8%LX(2=@8"-@8&!@8#!@ M(6!@8"$J8&`C8&!@8&`P8")@8&!@8&!@8&!@,&`A8&`D8&!+7`HM0&!@8"E1 M8&`B3U)@8&!@1R1@8&`*8`I]"JQ]7'!A<F1<='@Q,34R7'1X,C,P-%QT>#,T M-39<='@T-C`X7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8Y,3)<='@X,#8T7'1X.3(Q-EQT>#$P,S8X M7'1X,3$U,C!<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,"!<"EP*270G M<R!T:&4@<V5C;VYD('1I;64@22!S964@=&AI<RX@270G<R!O;FQY(&9O<B!T M:&4@3VAL9G,@9F]N="!A="`Q,'!T+B!/=&AE<B!S:7IE<R!D:7-P;&%Y(&-O M<G)E8W1L>2X@5&AE(&-U<G-O<B!I<R!P;W-I=&EO;F5D(&%S(&ET(&ES('=I M=&@@=&AE(&-O<G)E8W0@9F]N="P@:2YE+B!N;W0@=VAE<F4@22!C;&EC:R!W M:71H('1H92!M;W5S92X@4F5B;V]T:6YG(&AE;'`@=&AE(&QA<W0@=&EM92X@ M0G5T('1H870@8V%N)W0@8F4@=&AE(&]N;'D@<V]L=71I;VX@86YD(&ES(&-E M<G1A:6YL>2!N;R!E>'!L86YA=&EO;B!O9B!T:&4@<&AE;F]M96YA+@I<"EP* M2&%S(&%N>6]N92!E>'!E<FEE;F-E9"!T:&ES(&%S('=E;&P_("A.4S,N,"!W M:71H(&$@;&]T(&]F(&9O;G1S(&EN('1H92!,;V-A;$QI8G)A<GDI"EP*+2U< M"DUO<FET>B!7:6QL97)S7`I);G-T:71U=&4@9F]R(%1H96]R971I8V%L(%!H M>7-I8W-<"D)E<FYE+"!3=VET>F5R;&%N9%P*=VEL;&5R<T!B=71P+G5N:6)E 3+F-H("A.95A436%I;"E<"@I]"F5R `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: vonb@iitmax.iit.edu (Robert von Borstel) Subject: Next DialBack capability s/w Message-ID: <1994Jan10.134447.27367@iitmax.iit.edu> Keywords: Dialback,Supra,Nxfax Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 13:44:47 GMT Before I reinvent the wheel, I was wondering if anyone has written or can point me to some software that allows one to login into a Next via a connected modem to it's serial port (Supra in this case) and then have the Next start a daemon that will have the modem disconnect me and call me back at home to reconnect. I.E one can look at this as secure dialback or reversing phone charges :) I also have NxFax, however I don't think that will present a problem. Thanx. -- Robert Von Borstel . Internet:vonb@iitmax.iit.edu Illinois Institute of Technology . NeXTmail:vonb@fred.iit.edu Academic Computing Center (312) 567 5809 10 West 31St Street Chicago, Ill 60616
From: vamp@csulb.edu (VampLestat) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fixed Width fonts for use with Terminal/Stuart? Date: 10 Jan 1994 09:21:35 -0800 Organization: Me, organized? You gotta be kidding. Message-ID: <2gs2qv$avb@tern.csulb.edu> Keywords: fonts next help Right now I am using Courier as my default font in Stuart.app, but I was wondering where I might obtain other fixed width fonts for use with Stuart.app. Right now I only have Courier and Ohlfs. -- _O_ Ryan L. Watkins : : : : : :: ::: :::: ::::: | vamp@csulb.edu : : : : : :: ::: :::: ::::: | aka VampLestat finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu for pgp public key
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why no Help cursor? -- TRIVIALLY SOLVED Date: 10 Jan 1994 11:27:13 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401101728.AA11008@cantina.lanl.gov> I wrote yesterday: Holding down the <alt-ctl> key does NOT give me a help cursor. I'm on an Intel machine. Bill Chin (ANDI) and Andreas Glocker (Sirius) say Use the F1 key, hey its the intel world. :-) They're quite right. It's trivial (but then, what did I know about the Intel world before the black stuff went away?). Thanks. Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: imdat@imdatki.toppoint.de (Imdat Solak) Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Message-ID: <1994Jan10.163441.382@imdatki.toppoint.de> Organization: Nothern Private Site References: <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <Dan_Menchaca*-060194222553@mac10.kip.apple.com> <2gmufe$gmf@indigo.imp.ch> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 16:34:40 MET ilg@imp.ch (Philippe Steindl) writes: >Hello, >hm .. interesting. Why should it be an Indy killer? As far as I know, SGI >doesn't want NS to be ported on Indies. And while the Indy is real, the >Gecko is still vapourware :-) It's a very interesting project, though. The >indy is only affordable in the lowet priced base model, since upgrades etc >are quite expensive. What impressed me with the indy was it's completeness >and boardspeed. What about the gecko? its spec int, its bus speed, its >connections? The indy provides 167 MB/sec busspeed, 400MB memory <-> CPU >speed, *real* fast scsi, ISDN, ethernet (AUI and TP), parallel (bidirectional, >1 MB/s), 2 serials, digital audio in's, analog audio ins, video ins etcetc. >What about these Geckos? Do they privide all that? As well as a multimedia >desktop (NS isn't that multimedia, I think .. correct me if I'm wrong). >What about 6 stereo audio channels and such? >.... >(eventually .-)) afford a neat risc workstation that's so complete. If this >gecko will provide as many features with double CPU speed .. well .. it's clear >what I will favorize in future .-). Especially because SGI seems to be the >most expensive seller when it comes to upgrades.... while I think the >students prices for NS are very nice :-) >Thanx for your posting .. I'm waiting for the 18th january :) Well, look. We ordered an Indy/PC and got one 8 weeks later. When finally the development option also arrived it was 10 weeks after date of order. After I installed IRIX5.1.1 and the development option (which takes about 5 hours!!) I could do the first testings. It turned out that the performance is like of an i386/33 running Wind*ws 3.1. It was just too slow to develop software on it. I put 48MB of Memory and a SCSI2/Fast/Wide SCSI 1GB-Harddisk to the machine. Doing some performance testings I figured out that the Indy is comparable as follows: Indy Indigo 4.0.5E CPU 1 6times faster Graphics 1 4-6 times faster Harddisk 1MB/s 4.5MB/s This is the real performance of the Indy with IRIX 5.1.1. Well actually the machine itself might be very fast (in shell-mode only) but the OS is awfully slow. I connected the _same_ harddisk to my PC (Intel GX/Pro) with ISA-Adaptec controller AHA1542C and did some performance tests with it under NSfIP. You get (of course the same tests as on Indy) also up to 1MB/s with NSfIP and AHA1542C. Look, I _do_ like the Indy but it's far away from being a real-work-computer. You have the same problems with it as with NeXT Computers 2 years ago: Slow OS, No Software, EXPENSIVE Upgrade! Well we'll see what happens next at SGI. _I_ can wait! In the meantime we're trying to write our software on NSfIP and NeXT(Black). BTW: Talking of equipment: ISDN is _not_ supported by the OS on Indy, digitizing videos is not possible due to the low-performance. And... the system comes to : Base: DM 15.900,-- (16MB, 340MB HD, 15" Monitor) DevOpt: DM 3.000,-- 2nd HD: DM 2.000,-- (1GB, 9ms, SCSI-2) Total: DM 20.900,-- ---------------------------- + VAT 15% DM 24.035,-- ============================ Just compare it with following: DELL Dimension XPS60 (P5 60MHz, 16MB 430MB HD, 17" Monitor, CDROM...) Base: DM 8.254,-- NSfIP: DM 1.500,-- NSDev: DM 3.000,-- AHA1542:DM 500,-- 2ndHD: DM 2.000,-- Total: 15.254,-- ---------------------------- + VAT 15% DM 17.542,10 ============================ Dell machine includes 24hr service for 1 year (that means they send a technician within 24 hrs, whereever you are, who repairs your machine if needed). That's all of ---imdat -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Imdat Solak Torenstoff 6 - D-25872 Ostenfeld - imdat@imdatki.toppoint.de phone: +49(0)4845 1429 - fax: 1425 - login: 439 "public"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) Subject: Colours and Apps Message-ID: <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> Sender: borris@boba.rhein-main.de Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 16:23:48 GMT Hi, since using my "new" used NeXT Colour-Station I've got a problem using colours. Using Pantone-Colours, the NeXT colour panel represents the real colour in a correct way. For example, the NeXT colour panel displays Pantone 355 (a very dark and blue green) correctly as very dark and "blue". But if I like to fill an object on the "working screen" of any App (like Virtuoso), this Pantone 355 changes to another green - the working-screen shows something like Pantone 333 (a very light green without any blue). Printing the whole job (on a NeXT colour printer) will print-out the correct colour(s) - so I think it's just a problem of the way, how the colours are shown within an App. Does anybody know: Is there any way to callibrate just the working space oft the App (favourite: Virtuoso) without changing the callibration of the NeXT colour panel? Thanks in advance - Borris - P.S.: Please excuse my bad English - it isn't my native language. P.P.S.: For readers of de.comp.sys.next: You might answer in German language using p-mail - B - -- borris@boba.rhein-main.de ist: Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 D-60596 Frankfurt am Main - Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324
From: kay@nagasena.muc.de (Kay Schulz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Serial Drivers Date: 10 Jan 1994 19:47:58 +0100 Organization: Firestone Chaotic Group Message-ID: <2gs7su$156@nagasena.muc.de> Subject: Serial Drivers Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep Summary: Keywords: Hi Netters I would like to know about your experiences with NSI 3.2 and the serial drivers. Are they fast? Do they work for you. Someone said that most of the guys are satisfied with them. I am not. Never. With a 14400 modem connection I get with DOS 1600 CPS via Zmodem. Stable and fast. With ISC, too! With NeXTStep 3.2 I get 300 cps if I am lucky. But most of the blocks are sent million times. I can't do file download or something similar. I get NEWS but I am afraid of my telephone bill. Mail, ok, they are small, but anythign else. in 3.1 the driver update was ok. the new drivers on 3.2 are really shit. Any UNIX is able to have good drivers, NSI 3.1, too why not 3.2 I use a 16550 UART. Don't flame me, I am a fan of NSI and will never change (except OpenStep or Gecko of HP with NS). So write to the group what your experiences are , if it's my interface which works bad. Thanks -- Kay Schulz kay@nagasena.muc.de NeXTmail accepted
From: ilg@imp.ch (Philippe Steindl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 10 Jan 1994 20:18:15 +0100 Organization: Improware AG, Fuellinsdorf, Switzerland Message-ID: <2gs9ln$aij@indigo.imp.ch> References: <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <Dan_Menchaca*-060194222553@mac10.kip.apple.com> <2gmufe$gmf@indigo.imp.ch> <1994Jan10.163441.382@imdatki.toppoint.de> Imdat Solak (imdat@imdatki.toppoint.de) wrote: [some stuff deleted] : the development option also arrived it was 10 weeks after date of order. Hm, this seems to be dependet on the country you're in. I have seen news postings with people full of joy, worshipping SGI's excellent service, as others with people complaining about similar problems you have (which are problems .. SGI should note that). : After I installed IRIX5.1.1 and the development option (which takes about : 5 hours!!) I could do the first testings. Hm, what did you do? Install over a slow ethernet link? I'm astonished to hear that... : It turned out that the performance is like of an i386/33 running Wind*ws 3.1. : It was just too slow to develop software on it. I put 48MB of Memory : and a SCSI2/Fast/Wide SCSI 1GB-Harddisk to the machine. Doing some performance : testings I figured out that the Indy is comparable as follows: : Indy Indigo 4.0.5E : CPU 1 6times faster : Graphics 1 4-6 times faster : Harddisk 1MB/s 4.5MB/s Hm, now this sound weird. The Indy uses the same fast scsi bus as an Indigo2 and is by spec mcuh faster than the scsi bus on older indigo models (it should do 9.8 MB/s, but I doubt you'll find a HD that fast :)) The slower Indy (PC) is a bit faster than the old Indigo R3000. In spec int it's slightly faster than a dx266, in floats *much* faster. The whole board design with the 267 MB/sec bus is also a lot faster than the GIO32 of older models. : This is the real performance of the Indy with IRIX 5.1.1. Well actually the : machine itself might be very fast (in shell-mode only) but the OS is : awfully slow. I connected the _same_ harddisk to my PC (Intel GX/Pro) with Yes, the IRIX 5.1.X is a *nasty** memory hog. I'd say the slowness has to be blamed on that... For now you need huge memory ressources to work at "normal" speed. BTW: no rreal unixworstation does any good with 16 MB. But I agree ont the far to high memory use of irix 5.1 ... 32 MB should be enough for normal usage. : ISA-Adaptec controller AHA1542C and did some performance tests with it : under NSfIP. You get (of course the same tests as on Indy) also up to 1MB/s : with NSfIP and AHA1542C. Yes, I also reach ~ 1MB/sec with my Adaptec 1542C under Linux. My harddisk used with the indy of a friend does ~ 5 MB/sec, though... : Look, I _do_ like the Indy but it's far away from being a real-work-computer. : You have the same problems with it as with NeXT Computers 2 years ago: : Slow OS, No Software, EXPENSIVE Upgrade! I don't mind if you hate the Indy :-). Yes, irix 5.1 is a lot slower than 4.0.5, but also a lot more powerful (tha whole multimedia part). SGI promised to provide a much less hungry IRIX 5.2 ... we'll see what this will bring us. No software? Well, I wouldn't call the extremely big Xwindows software pool small... Well, you don't get Word for Windows on it, but there is Soft PC as well as diverse Mac emulators, but they are very expensive. I agree on the upgrades .. they are *extremely* expensive. (8 bit -> 24 bit color and a cpu upgrade cost as much as a complete base level Indy .. but that's SGI :) they make their money on upgrades...) Would that be better with a HP machine (that's a question :) because I really don't know :)) : Well we'll see what happens next at SGI. _I_ can wait! In the meantime : we're trying to write our software on NSfIP and NeXT(Black). Well .. I guess SGI will stay expensive. The Indy line is not needed for their sales, it just "a nice gift" for us lowlevelers :) : BTW: Talking of equipment: ISDN is _not_ supported by the OS on Indy, digitizing : videos is not possible due to the low-performance. : And... the system comes to : : Base: DM 15.900,-- (16MB, 340MB HD, 15" Monitor) : DevOpt: DM 3.000,-- : 2nd HD: DM 2.000,-- (1GB, 9ms, SCSI-2) : Total: DM 20.900,-- : ---------------------------- : + VAT 15% DM 24.035,-- : ============================ : Just compare it with following: : DELL Dimension XPS60 (P5 60MHz, 16MB 430MB HD, 17" Monitor, CDROM...) : Base: DM 8.254,-- : NSfIP: DM 1.500,-- : NSDev: DM 3.000,-- : AHA1542:DM 500,-- : 2ndHD: DM 2.000,-- : Total: 15.254,-- : ---------------------------- : + VAT 15% DM 17.542,10 : ============================ : Dell machine includes 24hr service for 1 year (that means they send a : technician within 24 hrs, whereever you are, who repairs your machine if : needed). Hm, expensive PC :) I would never put that much money in such old hardware. With the upcoming PCI bus we might get some quite nice PC's. I own a PC because the rest of the workstations were to expensive. And I use linux because it's very slender, supports most hardware etc .. of course it has drawbacks (like the GUI, which is simple X11). And it's price/performance value can't be beaten :-)) But this is not subject to this thread. NS is nice, but it uses to much ressources on my old ISA 486/33... : That's all of : ---imdat Hm, I'd like to add something :-): The earlier posting should have been more of a question than a comparison indy <-> NS machines. If I asked *why* the gecko will eat the indy, then I wanted to get sort of a 1:1 comparison (that's why I enumerated the Indies specs (I made an error btw: the bus speed is not 167 MB/s, it's 267 MB/sec). That was to early I guess, so I'll wait until Jan 18th .-). Thanx for your posting Philippe Steindl ilg@imp.ch PS: this could go into a flamewar (which I hate), so you can email me if you want...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: Fax Modem Drivers Message-ID: <CJFD49.Hw8@agedwards.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 17:40:57 GMT References: <1994Jan7.014836.7839@talus.com> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Semyon Sosin (sam@talus.com) wrote regarding fax drivers under NS: : As it easily to guess, this drivers should be on plain-vanilla C : (maybe even K&R !!!) and if you have proper experience after a : week you'll got knowledge how this stuff works. Since NeXT : constantly screw their clients, why you cannot go that way??? Well, I don't mean to rain on your parade, but Class2_Fax_Modem *DOES* contain an _OBJC segment. classdump also spits info on this. : This isn't joke. This one of the way how people unveil Microsoft shame in : Windows 3.1. Read "Undocummented Windows" !!! Perfect reading for _every_ : person that work with _any_ OS. And I think while NS became more popular such : kind of people should appear among NS audience as well. Their initials are EPS. :-) -cj -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | NeXTMail: chris@milo.st-louis.mo.us BOS Dev. Team | MIMEMail: cleeland@agedwards.com | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Ohlfs font is looking rather strange (RTF) Date: 10 Jan 1994 20:47:10 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gsese$hub@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <1994Jan10.163009.22897@aragorn.unibe.ch> In article <1994Jan10.163009.22897@aragorn.unibe.ch> willers@butp.unibe.ch (Moritz Willers) writes: Can anyone tell me what happened to my Ohlfs font? I have seen some applications that screw up the fonts; I don't know why. Try typing "exit" at the login prompt. This will reload the WindowServer and may solve the problem without having to reboot. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R=&)L.UQR960P7&=R965N,%QB;'5E M,#M]"EQP87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S,#1<='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!< M='@V.3$R7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39<='@Q,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&8P7&(P7&DP M7'5L;F]N95QF<S(T7&9C,%QC9C`@7`I);B!A<G1I8VQE(#PQ.3DT2F%N,3`N M,38S,#`Y+C(R.#DW0&%R86=O<FXN=6YI8F4N8V@^('=I;&QE<G-`8G5T<"YU M;FEB92YC:"`H36]R:71Z(%=I;&QE<G,I('=R:71E<SI<"@I<<&%R9%QT>#!< M='@Q,3(P7'1X,C(T,%QT>#,S-C!<='@T-#@P7'1X-38P,%QT>#8W,C!<='@W M.#0P7'1X.#DV,%QT>#$P,#@P7'1X,3$R,#!<='@Q,C,R,%QT>#$S-#0P7'1X M,30U-C!<='@Q-38X,%QT>#$V.#`P7'1X,3<Y,C!<='@Q.3`T,%QT>#(P,38P M7'1X,C$R.#!<9F,Q7&-F,2!<"@I[7'!A<F1<='@Q,30P7'1X,C,P,%QT>#,T M-#!<='@T-C`P7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8Y,#!<='@X,#8P7'1X.3(P,%QT>#$P,S8P M7'1X,3$U,C!<9F,P7&-F,'M<3D='<F%P:&EC,3`R(#4X-34Y-%]P87-T92YT M:69F"C(@8`I]"JQ]7'!A<F1<='@Q,30P7'1X,C,P,%QT>#,T-#!<='@T-C`P M7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8Y,#!<='@X,#8P7'1X.3(P,%QT>#$P,S8P7'1X,3$U,C!< M9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,"!#86X@86YY;VYE('1E;&P@ M;64@=VAA="!H87!P96YE9"!T;R!M>2!/:&QF<R!F;VYT/UP*7`H*>WM<3D=' M<F%P:&EC,34U('!A<W1E+G1I9F8*,3,R-B!-,S148"I`8&!@4#I@+UXA,"XB M,#8C,#XD,$8E,$XF,%8G,%XH,28I,2XJ,38K,3XL,48M,4XN,58O,5XP"DTQ M15A@(B=`(C-@8"=0*C%2/B923C-2.C92,B%2+B%27C10/CHS,CE2,CTP-CY/ M7CQ3*C4T*CLT+D)3)D,*35`J0U):-U0B031:2#-.2%0N254V,%$J/U12-#4R M23-6351:-U,B/U`Z33,^3%1>45-:/C0R4S1>/55.-@I-,DY6539`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`14TX,T--5SA!)R8E4R<J75E863A$25@C M128B52U`(SHX2PI-0UQ*63)#33A742E,34U$7CP]5C)5)$LW,3<V/5`Z5TU! M.4LW7$4U-T`M/5<J7EM`5SDH3$4W4S,J3#@E"DTT)%I5)31=8#4I2BHP65)" M+DXS/4I62S-73"Y-.RE,3E,[+TTF5%LU33Y6.SM-5E=;04XN63M'3D9:6TT* M34Y>7#M33S(H*")@8&!@5"%@8&`C8&!@8&`P(E9@8&`A8#!@(V!@8&!@,&!! M8&!@(6!`8"-@8&!@8%!@8`I-8%I`(6!08"-@8&!@8#!@)6!@8"$A0&`C8&!@ M8&`P8")@8&`A)#!@)&!@8&!@,&!@8&!`(24P8"-@8&!@"DU@,&`C8&!@(25` M8"1@8&!@8#!@8&`G0"$E4&`D8&!@8&`P8&!@3U0A)D!@)6!@8&!@,&!@8%I8 M(2908"4*36!@8&!@,&!@8%LX(2=@8"-@8&!@8#!@(6!@8"$J8&`C8&!@8&`P M8")@8&!@8&!@8&!@,&`A8&`D8&!+7`HM0&!@8"E18&`B3U)@8&!@1R1@8&`* M8`I]"JQ]7'!A<F1<='@Q,30P7'1X,C,P,%QT>#,T-#!<='@T-C`P7'1X-3<V M,%QT>#8Y,#!<='@X,#8P7'1X.3(P,%QT>#$P,S8P7'1X,3$U,C!<9C!<8C!< M:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,"!<"EP*22!H879E('-E96X@<V]M92!A M<'!L:6-A=&EO;G,@=&AA="!S8W)E=R!U<"!T:&4@9F]N=',[($D@9&]N)W0@ M:VYO=R!W:'DN7`I<"E1R>2!T>7!I;F<@(F5X:70B(&%T('1H92!L;V=I;B!P M<F]M<'0N("!4:&ES('=I;&P@<F5L;V%D('1H92!7:6YD;W=397)V97(@86YD M(&UA>2!S;VQV92!T:&4@<')O8FQE;2!W:71H;W5T(&AA=FEN9R!T;R!R96)O M;W0N7`I<"@I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT>#0V,#A<='@U M-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q,34R,%QF8S!< M8V8P("TM7`I(86PN5F%R:6%N0'5M:6-H+F5D=2`@("!(86P@5F%R:6%N7`IV M;VEC93H@,S$S+3<V-"TR,S8T("`@("!$97!T(&]F($5C;VYO;6EC<UP*9F%X M.B`@(#,Q,RTW-C0M,C,V-"`@("`@56YI=B!O9B!-:6-H:6=A;EP*("`@("`@ M("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@06YN($%R8F]R+"!-22`T.#$P.2TQ,C(P"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mpragnel@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (marlon pragnell) Subject: FOR SALE: Optincal Drive and Optical disks Message-ID: <1994Jan10.214059.17516@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:40:59 GMT Optical Drive for NeXT cube $250 Optical Disks for NeXT $40 each
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com (Tom Meyer) Subject: Re: SLIP using PNI 1.6 + SupraModem Message-ID: <1994Jan10.215012.3702@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division References: <1994Jan8.021304.223@kth.se> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:50:12 GMT Speaking of this, has anyone got the PNI SLIP client package configured with an Intel 144e 14.4bps modem? I guess I'm just lazy and don't want to have to mess with all the Tcl scripts myself :-) Somebody? Anybody? thanks, tom meyer tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com tmeyer@mcs.com Erik Lundstr m writes > Im trying to configure PNI 1.6beta for my Intel machine. I want to use > > PNI as a SLIP server (and client at the same time) using my SupraFaxModem > V.32bis. > > So, if somebody have written a TCL-script for the supramodem Im VERY > > interested. > > I can be reached at my friends account: > > d91-elu@nada.kth.se > > best regards, > > David Wallin. -- #include <disclaimer.h> /* Opinions expressed are mine */ /* and mine alone. */ /* */ /* tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <CJFyt2.J1q@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 01:22:39 GMT I just found this one:: Command-double-clicking the NeXT icon on the dock will bring the workspace to the foreground or hide all apps depending on whether the workspace is already visable. This only works with the NeXT icon though. When you command-double-click on other apps it wont hide them. --- -------------------------------------------------------------------- James P. Klett klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu jimbo@oingo.umn.edu (SLIP) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Slip Slipping' away... NeXT Mail Preferred --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Date: 11 Jan 1994 01:40:28 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <2gt02c$r12@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <CJFyt2.J1q@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <CJFyt2.J1q@news2.cis.umn.edu>, <klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu> wrote: >I just found this one:: Probably well-documented, but I'm not well-read in the documents! :-) >Command-double-clicking the NeXT icon on the dock will bring the workspace to >the foreground or hide all apps depending on whether the workspace is It seems to me it hides all opps other than Workspace, which perforce fronts the Workspace, it being the only non-hidden one. >already visable. This only works with the NeXT icon though. When you visible. >command-double-click on other apps it wont hide them. I only tried cmd-double-clicking on Stuart, but it hides the Workspace and leaves only Stuart. Others may want to try other combinations and flesh out our knowledge a bit. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu {o"o} UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [------------> Intolerance is the last defense of the insecure. <-------------]
From: nemiroal@bus.orst.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets (not so hidden??) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 17:54:20 Organization: College of Business, Oregon State University, Corvallis Message-ID: <nemiroal.13.0011E867@bus.orst.edu> References: <CJFyt2.J1q@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <CJFyt2.J1q@news2.cis.umn.edu> jimbo@oingo.umn.edu writes: >From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu>Subject: Hidden Secrets >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 01:22:39 GMT >I just found this one:: >Command-double-clicking the NeXT icon on the dock will bring the workspace to >the foreground or hide all apps depending on whether the workspace is >already visable. This only works with the NeXT icon though. When you >command-double-click on other apps it wont hide them. >--- >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > James P. Klett klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu > jimbo@oingo.umn.edu (SLIP) >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Slip Slipping' away... NeXT Mail Preferred >-------------------------------------------------------------------- No offense... but I think I read that in the 3.2 Users Manual. :-)
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Date: 11 Jan 1994 03:31:53 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2gt6j9$hrj@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2gt02c$r12@news.doit.wisc.edu> Jess Anderson writes > >... This only works with the NeXT icon though. When you > >command-double-click on other apps it wont hide them. > > I only tried cmd-double-clicking on Stuart, but it hides the > Workspace and leaves only Stuart. Cmd-double clicking anything in the dock brings up that app (unhides or launches it if necessary) and hides all the others. The exact same thing works in Engage!Desktop, BTW; cmd-double-click any of the icons on the desktop and it will unhide that app and hide all others. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets (not so hidden??) Date: 11 Jan 1994 03:33:19 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2gt6lv$hro@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <nemiroal.13.0011E867@bus.orst.edu> nemiroal@bus.orst.edu writes > >I just found this one:: > >Command-double-clicking the NeXT icon on the dock will bring the > >workspace to the foreground or hide all apps depending on whether > >the workspace is already visable. > > No offense... but I think I read that in the 3.2 Users Manual. :-) No offense... but you actually READ the User's Manual???? :-) -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Ohlfs font is looking rather strange (RTF) Message-ID: <1453@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 11 Jan 94 02:52:31 GMT References: <1994Jan10.163009.22897@aragorn.unibe.ch> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Moritz Willers writes Can anyone tell me what happened to my Ohlfs font? It's the second time I see this. It's only for the Ohlfs font at 10pt. Other sizes display correctly. The cursor is positioned as it is with the correct font, i.e. not where I click with the mouse. Rebooting help the last time. But that can't be the only solution and is certainly no explanation of the phenomena. Has anyone experienced this as well? (NS3.0 with a lot of fonts in the LocalLibrary) You probably have a font ID conflict with one of your other fonts, which means there is a collision in the font cache. I see at least two fonts other than Ohlfs in the sample above; one looks like Helvetica, although it could be almost anything at that size. The other is definitely a serifed font. It's hard to tell exactly what is causing it, but I'd bet that restarting the WindowServer will cure it (log in as "exit" with no password) but that logging out and back in as you won't cure it. 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From: phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Date: 10 Jan 1994 22:32:34 -0600 Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Message-ID: <2gta52$fhi@home.interaccess.com> References: <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <Dan_Menchaca*-060194222553@mac10.kip.apple.com> In article <Dan_Menchaca*-060194222553@mac10.kip.apple.com>, Dan Menchaca <Dan_Menchaca*@quickmail.apple.com> wrote: >In article <2gcbp2$9i3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) wrote: > ... Lots cut >CPU finally. Unfortunatley, as sucessful as HP is, the number of units >sold don't even come close to that of Apple's or IBM's. I think NeXT >should port their OS to the PowerPC. More users will have more power at >their fingertips when they buy PreP clones. I think NeXTStep would be an >attractive choice as apposed to Solaris, SCO ODT, AIX, PowerOpen, >WindowsNT, etc. for a PreP based machine. What the hell? I wasn't aware that Apple and IBM had shipped vast quantities of RISC based machines! In fact, I wasn't event aware that Apple were even selling the PowerPC YET! Yes, I know it's coming... it has been "coming" for months. - Brian. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Image Art Take the next "No problems... Only Solutions" Brian Leake step with NEXTSTEP phyd@interaccess.com _____________________________________________________________________
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Installing hard drive question-- Date: 9 Jan 1994 13:54:18 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2goupq$bfs@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <1994Jan6.204347.10453@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit fineman@cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) writes: >It only gives me ~210mb free (i forget exactly how much, but it's nowhere >near 245)! The only files on it are the lost&found and the .hidden. >Fdisk tells me that the drive is only something like 213 mb; does this >mean that it will format only in DOS to 245mb? Normally, the size of hard disk in ads is the unformatted size, because the formatted size depends on the type of file system you intend to use. The difference you noticed is quite normal. The formatted size under DOS will most probably be a little bit larger, because the BSD file system needs a bit more space for internal purposes than the dumb DOS fs (If you may call it a fs at all :-) My 520 MB Fujitsu drive leaves about 495 MB for NeXTSTEP. So don't worry. Regards, Markus. -- Marsu: "Es gibt tatsaechlich Leute, die ohne Computer gluecklich und zufrieden leben." -- Frankie: "Ach was, die emulieren das doch nur!" ----- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Intel aside.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Colours and Apps Message-ID: <1994Jan10.190816.23050@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 19:08:16 GMT In article <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >>Hi, >> >>since using my "new" used NeXT Colour-Station I've got a problem using >>colours. >> >>Using Pantone-Colours, the NeXT colour panel represents the real colour in >>a correct way. For example, the NeXT colour panel displays Pantone 355 (a >>very dark and blue green) correctly as very dark and "blue". But if I like >>to fill an object on the "working screen" of any App (like Virtuoso), this >>Pantone 355 changes to another green - the working-screen shows something >>like Pantone 333 (a very light green without any blue). >>Printing the whole job (on a NeXT colour printer) will print-out the >>correct colour(s) - so I think it's just a problem of the way, how the >>colours are shown within an App. >> >>Does anybody know: Is there any way to callibrate just the working space >>oft the App (favourite: Virtuoso) without changing the callibration of the >>NeXT colour panel? >> This is a bug in Virtuoso (actually, the only one that's bit me). The problem is that Virtuoso is a 2.1 app, which predates Pantone Colors being included in the system. I forget exactly what the problem is, but basically, (1) Altsys knows about this problem (2) there really isn't a workaround (3) it's fixed in the next version, which should be out soon. I'm sure Lorin will have the definitive answer at some point, but just in case he misses your post... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) --> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office)
From: slwdz@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <1994Jan11.083724.7513@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jan 94 08:37:24 MDT References: <CJFyt2.J1q@news2.cis.umn.edu> Organization: Utah State University > I just found this one:: > > Command-double-clicking the NeXT icon on the dock will bring the workspace to > the foreground or hide all apps depending on whether the workspace is > already visable. This only works with the NeXT icon though. When you > command-double-click on other apps it wont hide them. To quote the Workspace online help: "You can hold down the Command key and double-click an application icon to hide all applications except the one you double-click." John slwdz@cc.usu.edu
From: ciusa@cup.portal.com (Gerard - Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NoteAbility and the Composer font (beta demo) Message-ID: <100577@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 06:53:11 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Hello, Recently we posted a demo copy of NoteAbility to the cs.orst archives. In doing so we inadvertently posted the Composer font - a font that is included free with the NoteAbility application but one that is not licensed unless you purchase the application. If you grabbed the NoteAbility demo off the archives before 01-09-94 2:00 am CST and have the Composer font on your system without a licensed copy of NoteAbility, please delete it. We regret any inconvenience this may have caused. The font was located in the NoteAbilityStuff.pkg.compressed in the NoteAbilityStuff/Fonts folder that is inside the file after it has been uncompressed. The NoteAbilityStuff.pkg.compressed file was deleted from the archives and will be replaced later today with a new version that does not include the font. Also, shortly a new version of NoteAbility will be posted to the archives that will let you use a crippled-version of the Composer font that lets you view it only at 24 point. You can currently use the NoteAbility demo but the notes will not appear properly. If you wish to license the Composer font at a discounted price to just to try out the application you may contact Abstract Software at 206/361-5080 or info@abstractsoft.com. Otherwise you can use the Adobe Sonata font (if you have it) with NoteAbility. Again, our apologies and thank you for your cooperation. - Gerard Schwarz, President, Ciusa -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--== -==- Ciusa Creative Imagineering America -==- 3208 W. Lake Street Suite 133, Minneapolis, MN 55416 -==- (612)-822-1604 fax (612)-922-4426 ciusa@cup.portal.com -==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrown@wri.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets (not so hidden??) Message-ID: <CJH3ED.JEv@wri.com> Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <CJFyt2.J1q@news2.cis.umn.edu> <nemiroal.13.0011E867@bus.orst.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 16:06:13 GMT In article <nemiroal.13.0011E867@bus.orst.edu> nemiroal@bus.orst.edu writes: >In article <CJFyt2.J1q@news2.cis.umn.edu> jimbo@oingo.umn.edu writes: >>From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu >>Subject: Hidden Secrets >>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 01:22:39 GMT > >>I just found this one:: > >>Command-double-clicking the NeXT icon on the dock will bring the workspace to >>the foreground or hide all apps depending on whether the workspace is >>already visable. This only works with the NeXT icon though. When you >>command-double-click on other apps it wont hide them. >>--- >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> James P. Klett klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu >> jimbo@oingo.umn.edu (SLIP) >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Slip Slipping' away... NeXT Mail Preferred >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >No offense... but I think I read that in the 3.2 Users Manual. :-) I found out about it while working through Garfinkel and Mahoney's "NeXTSTEP Programming". A great book BTW. It goes through some of the basics and then leads you through OOP with detailed explanations. They suggest cmd-double-clicking when switching between the IB and PB. Dan Brown Academic Account Executive Pacific Region Wolfram Research, Inc. 800-441-MATH info@wri.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <CJH7s0.7qM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1994Jan11.083724.7513@cc.usu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 17:40:47 GMT In article <1994Jan11.083724.7513@cc.usu.edu> slwdz@cc.usu.edu writes: > > I just found this one:: > > > > Command-double-clicking the NeXT icon on the dock will bring the workspace to > > the foreground or hide all apps depending on whether the workspace is > > already visable. This only works with the NeXT icon though. When you > > command-double-click on other apps it wont hide them. > > To quote the Workspace online help: > > "You can hold down the Command key and double-click an application icon > to hide all applications except the one you double-click." > > John > slwdz@cc.usu.edu That seems to be true for all aplications, with the exception of the workspace. Double-clicking on the workspace hides the file viewer along with everything else. -- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Message-ID: <CJH7yK.Eq5@ucdavis.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of California, Davis References: <2gta52$fhi@home.interaccess.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 17:44:43 GMT > >CPU finally. Unfortunatley, as sucessful as HP is, the number of units > >sold don't even come close to that of Apple's or IBM's. I think NeXT > >should port their OS to the PowerPC. More users will have more power at > >their fingertips when they buy PreP clones. I think NeXTStep would be an > >attractive choice as apposed to Solaris, SCO ODT, AIX, PowerOpen, > >WindowsNT, etc. for a PreP based machine. Brian replies: > What the hell? I wasn't aware that Apple and IBM had shipped vast > quantities of RISC based machines! In fact, I wasn't event aware that > Apple were even selling the PowerPC YET! Yes, I know it's coming... > it has been "coming" for months. I agree and disagree with Brian. True, the PowerPCs are not shipping yet (at least to "the rest of us"), but I think the previous poster was refering to the "potential" market. Once the PowerPC Macs are out, I suspect they will sell more in their first month than the new HP line will sell all year. I imagine the IBM version will do well also. The problem with tapping into this "potential market" of power PCs is similar to the tapping into the market of 486s. Yes, there is a huge market of 486 systems already in homes and businesses, but only a small fraction of these are capable of running NEXTSTEP. The same will be true with the PowerPCs; a lot will be sold, but how many will be sold with 16 megabytes of RAM and a 400 megabyte hard disk? NeXT is now committed to supporting their old NeXT hardware line (for a little more time), Intel's 486/Pentium, HP risk architercture, and the SPARC. I would like to see them do a good job on what they have already committed to before taking on more platforms. (Yes, I want them on the other platforms as well, but one step at a time) Todd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kinch@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Dave Kinchlea) Subject: Simson Garfinkle and Ass., where are you? Organization: Heart Valve Group, John P. Robarts Research Institiute, London, Ont. Canada Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 19:35:55 GMT Message-ID: <1994Jan11.193555.19168@julian.uwo.ca> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) So, I want to register SBook. I call the number in the licence panel and what do I get? An operator telling me that the number is disconnected. Anyone have any idea how to get a hold of this company? Or, if they have gone belly-up, who has bought out SBook? Thanks for any help, cheerskinch
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Simson Garfinkle and Ass., where are you? Date: 11 Jan 1994 19:52:50 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2gv02i$nr0@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <1994Jan11.193555.19168@julian.uwo.ca> Dave Kinchlea writes > So, I want to register SBook. I call the number in the licence > panel and what do I get? An operator telling me that the number > is disconnected. Anyone have any idea how to get a hold of this > company? Or, if they have gone belly-up, who has bought out SBook? SBook is now sold by Sarrus. Try info@sarrus.com. You might also want to take a look at InTouch; it does all the same things at about half the price (last I looked). There should be a demo on the archives. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: wolfgang@neptun.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Wolfgang Pusch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: error messages Date: 11 Jan 1994 20:38:19 GMT Organization: Technical University Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <2gv2nr$584@email.tuwien.ac.at> Keywords: panic, vnode_pageout During the last two days i have had two (independent?) problems with my NeXTstation corresponding to the following error-messages: In the monitor: panic: (Cpu 0) MMU invalid descriptor during table walk In /usr/adm/messages: Jan 9 07:11:59 neptun mach: pageout: error = 28. Jan 9 07:11:59 neptun mach: vnode_pageout: failed! In each case i have had to reboot the machine. Does anyone understand the error messages? What are the basic reasons for the problems? Thanks, Wolfgang PUSCH ===================================================== D.I. Wolfgang PUSCH Institut f. Nachrichtentechnik u. Hochfrequenztechnik, Technische Universitaet Wien, Gusshausstrasse 25/389 A-1040 WIEN Austria FAX: (+43 1) 587 05 83 EMAIL: pusch@email.tuwien.ac.at
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <1994Jan11.204004.21460@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <CJH7s0.7qM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 20:40:04 GMT In article <CJH7s0.7qM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: > That seems to be true for all aplications, with the exception of the > workspace. Double-clicking on the workspace hides the file viewer along > with everything else. Not quite :-). The first double-click hides everything; the second double click on the Workspace icon brings it back up. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: Eugene.Bradley@launchpad.unc.edu (Enice Eugene Bradley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compiling ircd on an intel/486 running NeXTStep 3.1 Date: 11 Jan 1994 22:33:24 GMT Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gv9fk$t2k@samba.oit.unc.edu> References: <2gv56k$qve@samba.oit.unc.edu> In article <2gv56k$qve@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Enice Eugene Bradley <Eugene.Bradley@launchpad.unc.edu> wrote: >I'm trying to compile ircd on an intel 486 running NeXTStep 3.1 -- >I keep getting errors of _getshort_ and _getlong_ in my config.h file. >I'm using NeXT cc as my compiler. I still get these errors even though >I defined the NeXTStep 3.1 compiler options in my config.h and I commented >out the SuoOS compiler options that are standard with config.h. The >original file, ircd2.8.16.tar.Z was ftp'ed from csa.bu.edu in binary mode >then compressed and untared properly without errors. > >Is there something I'm not doing correctly and/or overlooking (like >anything in my Makefile that I need to define/delete/change)? Or is it >simply impossible to compile ircd on an i486 using NeXTStep 3.1????? > >HELP!!!!! Just remenbered -- I have to post to comp.sys.next.*misc and not comp.sys.next. Sorry about that -- it's been over 3 years since I read comp.sys.next and a lot's changed. -:) ---Eugene (RokinDuck) -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: develand@uoguelph.ca (Darren Eveland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Doom on cs.orst.edu Date: 12 Jan 1994 00:19:17 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Message-ID: <2gvfm5$rdh@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= __ Darren Eveland, Computer Science major, CCS p.time Consultant |Amiga /// email: develand@uoguelph.ca, develand@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca |3000 /// Amiga3000/25-10meg w/EGS Spectrum & 486DX/50-8meg VL-BUS video/HD|__ /// "If all else fails, check the manual...">>>Standard Disclaimer<<<|\\\/// University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario - It's near Toronto eh?? | \XX/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@dsi.com Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Message-ID: <CJHsLE.386@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <CJH7yK.Eq5@ucdavis.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 01:10:25 GMT In article <CJH7yK.Eq5@ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) writes: > The same will be > true with the PowerPCs; a lot will be sold, but how many will be sold > with 16 megabytes of RAM and a 400 megabyte hard disk? Probably quite a few. 8/200 is already common, and it's not that far a jump. The Mac Performa's can be bought with 100 megs, and that's Apple's home machine. I'm sure lots of people eager to tap their PowerPC's to the max will make the jump to 16 Megs. Quicktime, the voice recognition, etc. etc. take a lot of RAM. I'd wager that 68040 emulation will, also. As for the hard drive, 400 is hardly necessary for NeXTSTEP. And by the end of the year, 400 may be even more common. On the other hand, all PowerPC Macs will have SCSI drives, many will probably have SCSI cdroms. All will have processor-direct color video, probably no less than 16 bits. The amount of money needed to invest in a PowerPC mac, in order to make it a screaming NeXTSTEP box, is low, compared to the amount needed to put into a PC. No fast video to buy, no SCSI board, perhaps no SCSI CDROM. Just some RAM, maybe another hard drive (or a larger one). The PowerPC macs will be much, much closer to NeXTSTEP ready than the average PC. Nobody will say how they'd like to buy NeXTSTEP, but it doesn't support their WhizWin9000 video board, or their BitSpewer25XL drive interface. (Okay, some people might, but far fewer than would in the PC world.) The question is, could ARDI and NeXT come up with a way to run Mac programs (68k and PPC) from inside NeXTSTEP, using the onboard ROMs? I doubt Mac users would be willing to throw away their old apps. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Ohlfs font is looking rather strange (RTF) Message-ID: <CJHsyH.73v@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1453@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 01:18:17 GMT > > >Glenn Reid writes > > >Moritz Willers writes > > Can anyone tell me what happened to my Ohlfs font? > > > >It's the second time I see this. It's only for the Ohlfs font at 10pt. Other sizes display correctly. The cursor is positioned as it is with the correct font, i.e. not where I click with the mouse. Rebooting help the last time. But that can't be the only solution and is certainly no explanation of the phenomena. > >Has anyone experienced this as well? (NS3.0 with a lot of fonts in the LocalLibrary) > >You probably have a font ID conflict with one of your other fonts, which means there is a collision in the font cache. I see at least two fonts other than Ohlfs in the sample above; one looks like Helvetica, although it could be almost anything at that size. The other is definitely a serifed font. It's hard to tell exactly what is causing it, but I'd bet that restarting the WindowServer will cure it (log in as "exit" with no password) but that logging out and back in as you won't cure it. > >The other possibility is simply that you have bit rot that shows up in the font cache, but this is less likely to show whole, fully formed characters. Glenn is quite right, both in terms of the problem and in terms of how to solve it (by restarting the WM). This is caused by a basic level NeXT bug that I've posted in the past on. The problem is caused by the fact that Ohlfs is not a "real" font, but instead is a version of Courier tuned for the NeXT screen. If you don't believe that, take a look at /NextLibrary/Fonts/Ohlfs.font/Ohlfs and tell me if you think that's a normal Postscript font file :) One of the problems with Ohlfs is that it has a nonsensical "Unique ID" which will almost certainly not be unique if you use enough fonts. This causes conflicts in the font cache file and you get behavior like the above. I first began to notice this problem regularly when I switched to PS TeX fonts. You use so many fonts with TeX that bringing the bug on is inevitable, but it also turns out that the exact behavior of the bug is *very* dependent on which fonts you use and in which order, i.e., it's a bug, but it will not always seem to behave the same way. Took Tom Rokicki and me several days of intense searching to track it down, and a bug report was duly filed (I had hoped it would be fixed by 3.2, but I guess that's too much to ask :( Anyway, restart the WM and the problem will go away (temporarily). Anyone who is interested in a more permanent fix can write me E-mail. Hope this is helpful --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: death@netcom.com (David Burrowes) Subject: Help (please read if have DEC Hard drive) Message-ID: <deathCJHt33.5vI@netcom.com> Summary: Where to call for warranty? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 01:21:02 GMT I bought a DEC 3105 1gig hard disk from Tecor a couple years ago. It has been acting strang elately (it stops and then restarts for no apparent reason sometimes). I discovered that I received no warranty information with the drive last night when digging through my records. So, my pressing question is: do you have a support phone number for DEC hard drives? If so, could you send it to me (pretty please?) My less pressing question is: Did you, when you bought your drive, get some kinda written warranty with it? Thanks for *any* assistance david john burrowes death@netcom.com
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Filter for Word for Windows Date: 12 Jan 1994 03:22:15 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2gvqd7$toc@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Many of the IEEE 802.11 working documents are in Word for Windows or Word Perfect format. Does anybody know of a PD filter (that runs on NeXT) that will convert them to anything a NeXT can read (possibly rtf or postscript)? TIA for any replies! - Steve ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Message-ID: <CJHx91.84t@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Date: 12 Jan 94 02:51:03 GMT Article-I.D.: cobra.CJHx91.84t References: <CJH7yK.Eq5@ucdavis.edu> <CJHsLE.386@dsinc!flash> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI In article <CJHsLE.386@dsinc!flash> flash!jon@dsi.com writes: ... >The question is, could ARDI and NeXT come up with a way to run Mac programs >(68k and PPC) from inside NeXTSTEP, using the onboard ROMs? I doubt Mac users >would be willing to throw away their old apps. It shouldn't take ARDI to make a PPC Mac run PPC Mac progs under NEXTSTEP. I'm sure lots of people could do it without much trouble. That's not to say we wouldn't do it ourselves, just that we expect competition. As for making 68k progs run under NEXTSTEP on a Mac PPC, sure, we'd do it, and it shouldn't be too hard, either. Of course this assumes that we don't suddenly get a big influx of cash from some entity that would prefer not to see such things happen... --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: mhamrick@dallas.bozell.com(Matt Hamrick) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebooks Message-ID: <1994Jan11.233144.21168@bozell.com> Sender: news@bozell.com Organization: Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. References: <2gt0r4$8au@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 23:31:44 GMT In article <2gt0r4$8au@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> gregory@athena.mit.edu (Gregory B Howland) writes: -> The -> high end notebook has an i486DX2 66MHz processor -> and 9.5 inch active matrix color display. -> [ Stuff Deleted ] -> DISPLAY -> Ergo's Hitachi-manufactured display is extremely -> readable for Windows applications. The screen can -> support an internal resolution of 640 by 480 with 256 -> colors or drive an external monitor at 1,024 by 768 with -> 256 colors. With 1MB of video RAM (most tested had just [ More Stuff Deleted ] Before I go and pay for something like this, can someone out there confirm or deny a technical rumor I've heard. As I understand it, the NeXT/Adobe Color Display Postscript Rendering model only supports 24 and 32 bits, thus requiring a 32 or 24 bit RAMDAC in the PC video subsystem. Since it appears that this display only gives you 256 colors, doesn't this mean that it's got an 8 bit indexed RAMDAC? If so, it would only be able to run DPS in greyscale mode. Anyone out there know anything about this, or am I suffering from a complete distortion of the truth. -- Matthew S. Hamrick | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't." mhamrick@bozell.com | -Shakespeare, Hamlet Act 2, Scene 2 Temerlin McClain | Dallas, Texas | NeXT Mail Capable
From: UKQF@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to display .cdr pictures Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 12:22 Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Sender: MVS NNTP News Reader <NNMVS@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Message-ID: <19940112122252UKQF@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW I CAN CONVERT CORELDRAW (*.CDR) PICTURES INTO THE .TIFF FORMAT. THE BEST THING WOULD BE A .CDR CONVERTER FOR GRAPHICSWORKSHOP. ACHIM BAIER E-MAIL UKQF@RZSTUD1.RZ.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE (PLEASE NO NEXT-MAIL)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: swiener@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Sebastian Wiemer) Subject: RE: Filter for Word for Windows Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <CJIo9v.6sv@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 12:34:43 GMT Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet. Hi, Try printing your Windows-Documents to an EPS-file. (In the printer-options) Then load it in Tailor.app under NEXTSTEP et voila! Sebastian
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Filter for Word for Windows Date: 12 Jan 1994 15:42:58 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h15q2$och@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <CJIo9v.6sv@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> In article <CJIo9v.6sv@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> swiener@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Sebastian Wiemer) writes: > > Hi, > Try printing your Windows-Documents to an EPS-file. (In the > printer-options) > Then load it in Tailor.app under NEXTSTEP et voila! Sorry... guess I didn't make myself clear. Scary as it may seem (actually kinda a relief to me ;), I don't have quick access to a machine that has word for windozs! - Steve ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: e-mail address for JANA Message-ID: <1994Jan12.142138.981@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <2grotq$qvf@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 94 14:21:38 GMT In article <2grotq$qvf@bmerha64.bnr.ca> gopher2@bcarh530.bnr.ca (Avril Morris) writes: > In article <2gr63d$ck7@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de>, lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Lauer) writes: > |> In article 3I7@netcom.com, garyc@netcom.com (Gary I. Chang) writes: > |> >Bruce Wayne Patton (bwp@engin.umich.edu) wrote: > |> >: Does anyone have the e-mail address to JANA? They > |> >: advertised a CD-ROM special back in Oct/Nov, and I > |> >: ordered it. To date, I have recieved nothing from > |> >: them. Has anyone else who ordered these CD's that > |> >: contained Next applications received them? Thanks. > |> > > |> > I had placed a 6-CDs/year subscription back in Jan, 93. The last > |> >CD I received was the EXPO edition released in MAY/JUNE which adds my total > |> >collection to THREE where the 1st JAN/FEB CD being included in MAR/APR CD. > > Same here. I received only the first 3 discs and havn't heard from them since. > Makes me glad that I didn't opt for the '2 year subscription' deal. Same here. Didn't they mumble something last year about having just shipped defective disks, and the new ones were in the pipe now? Could someone please beat them up for me ;-)? -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Humans: Interesting species of semi-intelligent mammals where each individual is usually more intelligent than a colony of bees or ants, but a comparably sized group of humans behaves less intelligently than a single bee or ant.
From: ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Anybody got original Cube Maxtor XT-8380S with 512 bytes/sector ? Date: 12 Jan 1994 16:53:55 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2h19v3$82b@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Did anybody ever reformat his Maxtor XT-8380S to 512 bytes/sector ? Or else has anybody got a DOS version of the Maxtor XT-8380S ? If yes, could you let me know, I need some info to reformat my drive from 1024 bytes/sector to 512. Thanks for any help, Ernst. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ernst Kloecker phone: ++49-30-6181635 e-mail: ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@xexos.com (Matt Ware) Subject: Next user groups in Canada Message-ID: <1994Jan12.132123.15113@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 13:21:23 GMT Can anyone help me get details on Next user groups in Canada. The cities I am most interested in are: Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. I am visiting soon and would like to see whats happening, meetings, news sheets etc. Thanks in advance Matt -- All the views expressed here are mine and not my employers \ / * \ / Logan <matt@xexos.com> NeXTMail O.K. Xexos Ltd (London) - ** - * * - ** - God said let there be light! and I said bollocks to that! / \ * / \
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dcode@netcom.com (Paul Marcos) Subject: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Message-ID: <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2grotq$qvf@bmerha64.bnr.ca> <1994Jan12.142138.981@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 17:01:57 GMT In article <1994Jan12.142138.981@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: >> Same here. I received only the first 3 discs and havn't heard from them >Same here. Didn't they mumble something last year about having just >shipped defective disks, and the new ones were in the pipe now? > >Could someone please beat them up for me ;-)? > >-- Well, I've heard enough posts to put my $0.02 in. I'm the person who originally did all the collection for the CD. The way it all happened was like this. This guy in Canada contacted me and wanted to know if I'd like to help put out a bi-monthly CD for NeXT and Linux users. All I had to do was collect public domain, demo, shareware (with author's approval) software off the Internet archives, dump it to tape and send it to a CD pressing place in Walnut Creek, CA. In exchange I'd get $1 per disc. Hey, that didn't sound too bad, not very much work for me since I already checked out the archives regularly and had direct Internet access. So I decided to do it. The first 2 disks were OK got them out resonably on time. The thrid disk was right around the time for NeXTWorld Expo. So they guy that was doing all this was going to be at the show and wanted to know if I would like to help out. Sure, what the hell, I'd never done that before so why not. Well, I'll tell you, that was one hell of an eye opening experience on how NOT to do business! Basically the story was that I had only finished the disc and gotten a one-off CD pressed so there was still going to be a 2 week delay while the disc went to the pressing house and got duplicated. So here is this guy telling customers that the disc would be shipped to them the monday after expo. It was flat out a lie. At that time when I found out what a slimeball this guy was I decided, this is bad news and I don't want any part of it. I told him that I wasn't going to be doing any more work with him. In the mean time, I had constantly been told that he had sold between 300 and 500 discs which meant $300 to $500 for me. I continually asked for the list of people that he had subscriptions from (part of our agreement) as well as the money he owed me. Needless to say I never saw either one. So I sent him the stuff that I had for the 4th disc which apparently got screwed up and the disc that was mailed to some subscribers only had 4 megs or something like that. The disc was supposed to have about 80 megs of new stuff on it, lots of it for Intel. I don't know what happened with the disc...I basically severed the tie right before that all happened. Since that time, I've gotten several emails from Jay, the guy doing all this, saying that Jana had changed hands, he wasn't involved with it as much any more, somebody else was doing it, and then the latest which said that he had lost a lot of money doing it, but that he found some financial investor who was going to help bring it back together for whatever reason. My only reaction was that he was a total slime and that he deserved any and all legal action that was taken against him by any of the subscribers. Then he had the nerve to say, "Oh, I just mailed you a check for $300." Yeah, like I ever saw it. So the moral of this whole soap opera is that I want to appologize to all the people that Jay screwed out there. My intention getting into this was to more widely make available interesting software for NeXT computers. Had I known it would turn into people getting swindled and screwed I never would have done it. I also just wanted to let everyone see the other side of the Jana Publishing story and simply say that if he does resurface on the net NOBODY DO BUSINESS WITH HIM! You'll end up losing money. I know this isn't much consolation, but I just haven't felt right about holding this info back any longer. I want to make sure we don't have jerks like Jay hanging around very cool, helpful NeXT newsgroups any more. The latest information on Jay and Jana Publishing is as follows: Jay Janarthanan President Jana Publishing USA and Canada - 800-363-2083 International - 416-538-2311 Fax - 416-922-5597 Sorry, I don't have the address around any more. If I find it I can supply it to anyone who needs/wants it. By the way, if anyone is considering taking any sort of legal (or illegal :) ) action agains Jay and Jana Publishing, please contact me, I'd be MORE than willing to help out. I just don't have the time or interest to do it on my own. I've already written the $300 that he ows me off to a bad decision on my part. There you have it. Doesn't it just piss you off? Thanks for listening. Paul -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- dCode | dcode@netcom.com | NeXT Mail Happily Accepted Paul Marcos | (415) 960-3259 (voice & fax)|
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Filter for Word for Windows Message-ID: <2h1be9$4bh@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: 12 Jan 94 17:19:05 GMT References: <2gvqd7$toc@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Organization: Stanford University Stephen Perkins writes > Many of the IEEE 802.11 working documents are in Word for Windows > or Word Perfect format. Does anybody know of a PD filter (that > runs on NeXT) that will convert them to anything a NeXT can read > (possibly rtf or postscript)? For the WP documents, WP/NeXT will probably work fine (as long as they don't have extensive tables or equations). For the Word documents, you could get Executor, open them in Word, and print them to a ps file. (On white hardware, do the same with SoftPC). -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NASCORP INFO? Date: 12 Jan 1994 17:36:10 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2h1cea$t69@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> I'd like to order NS/FIP via my campus bookstore (well, I'd prefer to do it a more reasonable way, like provide Next with proof of student status, a credit card number, and have the $300 edu. package at my home in 2 days, but this is Next we're talkin' about ;-) ). My bookstore has never heard of Nextstep. Can someone send me the NASCORP info the bookstore needs? Thanks. R. De Lucca The Johns Hopkins University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: sdavis@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis) Subject: Cyrillic font, Russian KB for NeXT? Message-ID: <1994Jan12.164753.13590@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 16:47:53 GMT Greetings! Does anyone know of a Cyrillic font package available for NeXTstep computers? I'm using a NSTC. Also, is there a specific Russian keyboard mapping available? Thanks, Steve -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Steve Davis | sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov | | NASA, DL-DSD-32 | (NeXTmail OK) | | Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899 | HSSC Mail: RDAVIS | | (407)867-7582 fax:(407)867-2173 | HSSC Phone: 633-5799 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: Re: Colours and Apps Message-ID: <CJHD0p.3qz@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> <1994Jan10.190816.23050@news.media.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 19:34:01 GMT wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes: >In article <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >>>Hi, >>> >>>since using my "new" used NeXT Colour-Station I've got a problem using >>>colours. >>> >>>Using Pantone-Colours, the NeXT colour panel represents the real colour in >>>a correct way. For example, the NeXT colour panel displays Pantone 355 (a >>>very dark and blue green) correctly as very dark and "blue". But if I like >>>to fill an object on the "working screen" of any App (like Virtuoso), this >>>Pantone 355 changes to another green - the working-screen shows something >>>like Pantone 333 (a very light green without any blue). >>>Printing the whole job (on a NeXT colour printer) will print-out the >>>correct colour(s) - so I think it's just a problem of the way, how the >>>colours are shown within an App. >>> >>>Does anybody know: Is there any way to callibrate just the working space >>>oft the App (favourite: Virtuoso) without changing the callibration of the >>>NeXT colour panel? >>> >This is a bug in Virtuoso (actually, the only one that's bit me). The problem >is that Virtuoso is a 2.1 app, which predates Pantone Colors being included >in the system. I forget exactly what the problem is, but basically, >(1) Altsys knows about this problem >(2) there really isn't a workaround >(3) it's fixed in the next version, which should be out soon. >I'm sure Lorin will have the definitive answer at some point, but just >in case he misses your post... >-- >--> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu >--> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group >--> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) >--> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office) Does the above statement: "Printing the whole job (on a NeXT colour printer) will print-out the correct colour(s)" imply that Virtuoso has incorporated color correction to handle the "blue color problem"; i.e., blue prints out as purple on a NeXT Color Printer in apps such as Create and Image. If this problem is corrected in Virtuoso, I certainly would like to know about it. Thanks for your anticipated response. --Tim -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcenmp.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: develand@herman.cs.uoguelph.ca (Darren Eveland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Doom on cs.orst.edu Date: 12 Jan 1994 19:26:05 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Message-ID: <2h1isd$n1n@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <2gvfm5$rdh@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Sorry for that blank message. For some reason our news reader was defaulting to VI as the editor instead of PICO and I guess I don't know VI that well! My question was what version is the Doom on cs.orst.edu? Is it a version for Intel processors? Does it *require* colour??? I only am running 2-bit, 4 shade grey at 1024x768. Will it work with that? Thanks : -- : -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= __ : Darren Eveland, Computer Science major, CCS p.time Consultant |Amiga /// : email: develand@uoguelph.ca, develand@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca |3000 /// : Amiga3000/25-10meg w/EGS Spectrum & 486DX/50-8meg VL-BUS video/HD|__ /// : "If all else fails, check the manual...">>>Standard Disclaimer<<<|\\\/// : University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario - It's near Toronto eh?? | \XX/ : -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= __ Darren Eveland, Computer Science major, CCS p.time Consultant |Amiga /// email: develand@uoguelph.ca, develand@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca |3000 /// Amiga3000/25-10meg w/EGS Spectrum & 486DX/50-8meg VL-BUS video/HD|__ /// "If all else fails, check the manual...">>>Standard Disclaimer<<<|\\\/// University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario - It's near Toronto eh?? | \XX/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Question about a potential printer Date: 12 Jan 1994 21:14:15 GMT Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h1p77$jor@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> I am looking for a PostScript printer for my: NeXTCube '40 Here is what I have found. PCPI printer (Canon engine) LaserImage 4040 300 dpi 4 pages per minute The guy I spoke with said this thing is made in San Diego (for whatever that's worth) I don't want to buy a NeXT printer because I don't want to end up with an unsupported printer that only works with my NeXT. Any suggestions? -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Donald F. Bora | | | The Institute for the Learning Sciences | | O | Northwestern University | (--|--) Evanston, Ill | | e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Not NeXTMail) | / \ work: (708) 467-1972 | --------Be excellent to each other--------
From: cswoyer@hellcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Swoyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Recovering Deleted File Date: 12 Jan 1994 21:47:23 GMT Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Message-ID: <2h1r5b$oh2@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> A couple of days ago I deleted a file I didn't want to. I didn't worry much at the time, since I had backed it up on a floppy. But now I find that I can't find the floppy. Is there any way of recovering the file, or even any fragment of it? If so, how. Any information much appreciated. Many thanks, Chris Swoyer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Douglas B. Moore Subject: Dock location dwites under 3.2? Message-ID: <CJJ8p8.CLG@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Distribution: World Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 19:48:53 GMT At one point there were some dwrites posted to move the x location of the dock over to the edge of the screen. Do these still work, and if so, what are they? --- Douglas Moore It's here... NeXTdimension Turbo!!! 172 East Sixth Street #2106 Netinfo at home, it's a good thing St Paul, MN 55101 dmoore@maroon.tc.umn.edu <---NeXTMail ready
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 17:30:32 EST From: <3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <94012.1730333JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A References: <2grotq$qvf@bmerha64.bnr.ca> <1994Jan12.142138.981@qb.rhein-main.de> <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> OK, here is the response for Pauls story. I am Jay, and I started JANA Publishing to produce CD's for NeXT and we are still doing that. When we started we wantad to do 6 CD's a year, but then came the bad news on the NeXT market, so just like the big guys we also had few problems, due to not enough sales. When I started the idea was software publishers will pay to see there software on the CD and this can cover the low cost of the CD. We were selling one CD for less then 8 dollers and this included S/H. But this not work out well when commercel software venders backed out. So far we have mailed 4 disks out, and another one is on the way in about 3 - 4 weeks. I will post the file listning on c.s.n.announe. The next disk should have about 100 megs of NeXT software. Also if you have ordered those 2 disk specials thay have been shiped last week. I don't know why paul (dcode@netcom.com ) is upset, he never talked to me about all this. He quit doing this saying that he is out of the NeXT market and he want to do Win NT devlopment. He got paid of course, I bought him a HD too. In my view he is just a upset employe who bought the privet matters in to public. I am not working at Jana full time, I am back to school. I am still collecting NeXT files, with few other NeXT users here. Only thing I am asking you guys is that give us some time and see. I promised to get you a low cost CD to you and you will get it. Most other NeXT CD's are sold at around $50 and most of you have got 4 CD's from me alredy for that amount, so every one here got a good deal, and are still going to get a good price. I could have closed shop and gone home, but I want to do this and I will continue to do this. I am still going to publish NeXT CD-ROM's as I promised, I dont give a damm on what paul says, We have alredy signed up for NeXT World Expo, you can see me there. If you have any question please call the office at 1-416-538-2311 or E-Mail me at jay@jana.com. Dont E-Mail me to this account since its my school account, but I had to reponse to pauls story when I saw it. Its all lies in my view. Jay
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 18:06:03 EST From: <3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <94012.1806033JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: e-mail address for JANA References: <2gpfluINNaas@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <garycCJDovw.3I7@netcom.com> Ok here is the next response to Gary Changs story. Well we have about 300 subscribers, but only about 175 paied the invoice, an average about $55. I am sorry for not following up ASAP, but I was on vaction and I saw all this E-Mail only today, if you have any questions please fell free to E-Mail me at jay@jana.com Jay
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: OCRServant Message-ID: <CJJFzI.Dst@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: news@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 22:33:17 GMT Hello Information (Super?)highway Surfers, I'm looking for a demo of HSD's OCRServant software. Any clue where this might be had on the archives ? -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Question about a potential printer Date: 13 Jan 1994 02:08:25 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h2aep$c5r@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2h1p77$jor@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> In article <2h1p77$jor@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes: >I don't want to buy a NeXT printer because I don't want to >end up with an unsupported printer that only works with >my NeXT. What do you mean? It's one of the best supported PS printers around. New (meaning unused) NeXT printer is $850 from Bell Atlantic. Their repair support is very good too. We just had our printer serviced for paper jam problems, and it came back looking like new. A printer that always has the most up-to-date PS interpreter with the fastest throughput around for the class shouldn't be bad. Ever tried to print multipage FAX to non-NeXT printers? You get old waiting for the stuff to come out. Look at the articles in "comp.lang.postscript" complaining about the lack of support for HP LJ 4M PostScript SIMM bugs. Try getting a bug fixed SIMM from HP, if you can get a person who understand what you are talking about. Our NeXT printer has had automatic PS interpreter upgrades at least 5 times with OS upgrades 1.0, 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 3.2. I wouldn't touch something like this with a 10-meter pole. > PCPI printer (Canon engine) > LaserImage 4040 > 300 dpi > 4 pages per minute -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: ObjectWorld Boston Message-ID: <1994Jan13.001501.3277@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 00:15:01 GMT Just wanted to drop a note from the trenches... OpenStep and NEXTSTEP are a big hit at ObjectWorld Boston. Every developer that saw the development environment walked away dazzled and companies that abandoned NS previously are looking at it again. More information on OpenStep will be available at the D.C. developer conference. Things are looking good... Stay tuned. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV
From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Question about a potential printer Date: 13 Jan 1994 06:11:56 GMT Organization: Compuer Science Undergrad Assoc, UCBerkeley Message-ID: <2h2onc$f6c@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2h1p77$jor@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> <2h2aep$c5r@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2h2aep$c5r@agate.berkeley.edu>, Izumi Ohzawa <izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu> wrote: >In article <2h1p77$jor@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes: } }}I don't want to buy a NeXT printer because I don't want to }}end up with an unsupported printer that only works with }}my NeXT. } }What do you mean? It's one of the best supported PS printers }around. }had automatic PS interpreter upgrades at least 5 times }with OS upgrades 1.0, 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 3.2. Yeah, it was afully nice having my printer (and fax modem) suddenly become Postscript Level II about a year and a half ago. Also, please note that what other printer can give you the following benefits: (At lesast this is what mine is) A postscript level II printer with 400 dpi output 68040 25mhz processor 20 megs physical memory 80 megs swap space... etc... etc... etc... As long as you have black hardware, the NeXT laser printer is really great, other then it's rather large footprint. That clean through paper path, however, does reduce some jamming problems. (I've feed envelopes all the time, without any problems at all). You can put print jobs which make other printers go crazy. I've printed files (back when I only had 8 megs of memory, but more disk space free), which were 7 meg postscript bitmaps on a single page. It took about half an hour, and ended up using 80 megs of swap, but it printed. Try that on an ordinary laser printer. :) -- Nick Weaver| If I could draw like the artist, |nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu I would sit, and draw things that could never be. If I could write like the poet, I would sit, and write of things that never were.
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Colours and Apps Date: 13 Jan 1994 08:30:34 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2h30ra$n0c@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> <1994Jan10.190816.23050@news.media.mit.edu> <CJHD0p.3qz@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Virtuoso uses CMYK colors on-screen. To get improved rendering of CMYK colors, use the NXCMYKAdjust default (set it to Yes). This will use Neugebauer equations to map CMYK -> RGB and vice versa for the screen. See the 3.1 release notes (WindowServer) for details on the paramaters used. Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: The ideal NeXT computer? Message-ID: <CJIAuJ.9A6@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <2gta52$fhi@home.interaccess.com> <CJH7yK.Eq5@ucdavis.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 07:44:42 GMT In article <CJH7yK.Eq5@ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu writes: [ ] > >The problem with tapping into this "potential market" of power PCs is >similar to the tapping into the market of 486s. Yes, there is a huge >market of 486 systems already in homes and businesses, but only a small >fraction of these are capable of running NEXTSTEP. The same will be >true with the PowerPCs; a lot will be sold, but how many will be sold >with 16 megabytes of RAM and a 400 megabyte hard disk? Most of the 486 systems out there are quite capable of running NS provided you don't mind running in 2 bit grey scale. In fact VGA on a NEC 3FG is actually quite nice. People are obssessed with vapourware. While we talk about the PowerPC, etc...millions of 486's are being sold. In short, I disagree with your small fraction statement and am constantly amused at the crystal ball gazers longing for the moon. [ ] -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dcode@netcom.com (Paul Marcos) Subject: Jana Publishing, again. Message-ID: <dcodeCJKp30.K3J@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 14:47:23 GMT Well, I probably opened my mouth a little too wide. :) I said some things in my previous post that I shouldn't have. I probably should have just kept my mouth shut. So I'd like to say that I'm sorry for calling Jay the names that I did. Nobody deservees that in this public forum. I'd also like to correct myself with regard to Jana Publishing. I did get part of my money in the form of a hard drive that I was able to keep after dealing with Jay. Sorry for the mistakes. At any rate, Jay claims to have shipped everyone that has subscribed 4 CDs. If you're one of the people who recently posted that you haven't received a disk, I stronly urge you to take action and contact Jay. I believe the correct email address is jay@jana.com. I've sent an email to Jay including all of the recent posts here of people not getting all the CDs that they should have. I'd be interested in hearing whether people get responses or not. More importantly, I'd be interested in hearing if people get the CD or not! I'm all for second chances, so forget everything that I said and contact Jay to get what you paid for. Again, sorry for degrading the level of discussion in this group, I generally don't do things like that. I personally still have no respect for Jay or Jana Publishing, but that should not have any bearing on your perception of them. Draw your own conclusions based on your experience with them. Thanks for listening again and sorry for wasting the bandwidth. Paul -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- dCode | dcode@netcom.com | NeXT Mail Happily Accepted Paul Marcos | (415) 960-3259 (voice & fax)|
From: niki@arbw3.kf.tu-berlin.de (Nikolaus Roetting) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Adaptec 2842 Local-Bus SCSI-Controller Date: 13 Jan 1994 15:14:00 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Message-ID: <2h3ofo$rk@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Hello, I would like to know if the Adaptec 2842 Local-Bus SCSI-Controller is working with NS. Maybe someone can point me to a ftp-server where I can find the hardware compatibility list for NS 3.2? (Is there a FAQ for this group available?) Thanks Nikolaus -- -- Nikolaus Roetting niki@arbw3.kf.tu-berlin.de
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 06:19:44 PST Message-ID: <1994Jan13.141944.330@corona.com> References: <94012.1730333JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A From: Jay of JANA <3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> > OK, here is the response for Pauls story. I am Jay, and > I started JANA Publishing to produce CD's for NeXT and > we are still doing that. > ... > but I had to reponse to pauls story when I saw it. > Its all lies in my view. You pop in every few months to make a few more promises and excuses. Like others, I'm out $60 with little to show for it. I got 1 mostly Motorola and Linux disk, and 1 4Mb joke. The burden of proof is on you. --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Date: 13 Jan 1994 16:32:01 GMT Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Message-ID: <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> References: <2grotq$qvf@bmerha64.bnr.ca> <1994Jan12.142138.981@qb.rhein-main.de> <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> Paul Marcos (dcode@netcom.com) wrote: : stuff about jana publishing I'm probably one of the few real suckers in the NeXT community...I might as well admit it now. I bought a NeXT, now I can't get support for those, I bought a Tecor drive, hah, I bought Appsoft Image, I bought PasteUp, indeed, with very few exceptions every product that I have purchased for my NeXT has ended up in the company going bust, changing their mind about NeXT, selling the rights, you name it. I look at my /LocalApps and can probably find 4 applications that I can still get support for now...I look at the collection of boxes (Oh yes, I bought a Neuron modem too) around me and I TOUCH WOOD that nothing EVER breaks because most of it is totally doomed. Why do I mention this? Because I'm one of the few people who PAID for the CDROMS from Jana. I got three copies free, postage from the states included...and several "please pay us now" mailers...this seemed reasonable, they were on time, trusting me to pay them when I was invoiced, so I sent my credit card number and ta-da, it was charged for the two year rate, which I agreed to; thinking this would make a good collection of software no matter what.. Why me? WHY???? I was *SURE* that Steve Jobs was on to a winner here, I bought every apple and macintosh and followed his moves closely, NeXT seemed great.... Perhaps in a act of total and complete altruistic kindness towards the NeXT community I shall now sell my NeXT, and take with me my Curse and purchase a large amount of Windows NT. Very depressed by all of this, Scott
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ObjectWorld Boston Date: 13 Jan 1994 17:12:26 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1994Jan13.001501.3277@hot.com> In article <1994Jan13.001501.3277@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > Just wanted to drop a note from the trenches... > > OpenStep and NEXTSTEP are a big hit at ObjectWorld Boston. Every > developer that saw the development environment walked away dazzled > and companies that abandoned NS previously are looking at it again. > > More information on OpenStep will be available at the D.C. developer > conference. > > Things are looking good... Stay tuned. Thanks for the report. This is certainly good news, but I've been recently dismayed by the alliances the large UNIX vendors are making in order to offer an object-oriented development environment to customers. When Sun agreed to support OpenStep, I really thought that OpenStep might have a chance to become *the* UNIX O-O development environment standard. But even though HP and NeXT are partners in Object*Interprise, HP just purchased a 15% stake of Taligent and has apparently agreed to support the Taligent development environment along with IBM and Apple. And even Scott McNealy of Sun was quoted as saying that the Taligent stuff looked pretty good but OpenStep was chosen because of its availability now. But McNealy seemed to leave the door open that Sun would support Taligent once it's available. HP plans to ship Taligent products in early 1995 which is only about 6 months later than when the OpenStep spec is due and Sun's OpenStep implementation may be available. So NEXTSTEP's window of opportunity seems to be about to close without NEXTSTEP really establishing itself in any significant way. I fear that Taligent's technology will leap-frog over NEXTSTEP because NEXTSTEP hasn't really changed significantly since its introduction in 1988, probably due to its lack of success and NeXT's lack of resources. Although Taligent will be much less mature than NS, it will also be the exciting new technology that unlike NS will have the support of big guns early on. It's really a shame that NS wasn't a success early on so that it could have evolved more rapidly. I fear that it will be considered old technology after Taligent appears. Comments? -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: rob@snyderre.student.rose-hulman.edu (Rob Snyder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login Screens for 3.2 Date: 13 Jan 1994 18:15:31 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2h4343$rug@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Howdy, I just lately upgraded to 3.2, and somehow my current 3.1 login screen just doesn't look like. Has anyone out there mane any neet 3.2 login screens? I really don't have that much of an artistic side, else I'd make my own. Thanks a lot!!! Rob. -- *--------------------------------------------------* * Rob Snyder. /\/e><T Mail accepted * * 'rob@snyderre.student.rose-hulman.edu' * * 'snyderre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu' * * (812)877-8702 * *--------------------------------------------------*
From: mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Date: 13 Jan 1994 17:58:01 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2h4239$llb@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> In article <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> "Scott A. McIntyre" > I'm probably one of the few real suckers in the NeXT community...I > might as well admit it now. I bought a NeXT, now I can't get support > for those, I bought a Tecor drive, hah, I bought Appsoft Image, I > bought PasteUp, indeed, with very few exceptions every product that > I have purchased for my NeXT has ended up in the company going bust, > changing their mind about NeXT, selling the rights, you name it. Well, you're not the only one who bought a subscription to the Jana CDs. The two that I did get were extremely useful for me at the time I got them (as I had no floppy, no net conection and no friends with NeXTs) but I no longer need them (as I now have a net connection and a better personal collection of demos and shareware files than most CD-ROMS offer) so I've written them off, I figure I got my money's worth (looking at it from my particular angle). As far as buying a NeXT goes, I don't feel like a sucker for doing that. I enjoy my computer and while I occasionally feel I'm being left behind by some new hardware or software advancement, a few moments sitting in front of a Mac or PC box completely cures me of any envy I might be feeling. Discontinued or not, my computer is still worth to me every dime I spent on it. By the way, if you are still feeling bad about some of those apps you bought I'll be glad to take them off your hands at a reasonable price. I'd be happy to have a copy of Image and PasteUp. -- ============================================================================== Alex Currier * mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu * NeXTmail capable. Time is just one damn thing after another. ==============================================================================
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: (fwd) Looking for Obj C instructors Date: 13 Jan 1994 12:52:48 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401131853.AA13951@dcs.shef.ac.uk> I hope I'll be forgiven for forwarding this, but just in case any NEXTSTEP trainers miss out... Have fun, mmalcolm. Newsgroups: comp.lang.objective-c From: rpjday@cuug.ab.ca (R. Day) Subject: Looking for Obj C instructors Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:57:59 GMT Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group A local company here in Calgary is looking for training in Objective C, and it doesn't appear that there is anyone in town that is qualified to do it. Are there any training companies elsewhere that are interested in such a job and are willing to travel? It appears to be for 5 to 7 people, so I suspect that's one week worth of training. Please e-mail me if you are qualified and interested in this, and I can give you more details. R. Day Standard International Systems Calgary, Alberta
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next,sysadmin Subject: f2c on NeXTstep Intel Date: 13 Jan 1994 18:59:24 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h45mc$3jd@news.iastate.edu> We have an NS486 machine on which a fellow wants to do some scientific programming. He's literate only in Fortran and installing the f2c fortran compiler seems the easiest way to go. Before I go re-inventing the wheel (my memory is that while f2c compiles straightforwardly on NeXT the installation is somewhat time-consuming) has anyone installed this already? If so, could you be persuaded to NeXTmail the binaries and relevant libraries, etc. Any and all help much appreciated --- Thanks in advance --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: 911288c@dragon.acadiau.ca (EDwin Chung) Subject: anyone have paper talking about mach ?? Message-ID: <1994Jan13.185803.8737@relay.acadiau.ca> Sender: news@relay.acadiau.ca Organization: Acadia University Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 18:58:03 GMT Dear friends, I am interested in the operating system Mach... I think next is using it ... ?? any help ?? edwin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Message-ID: <1994Jan13.200321.11319@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software References: <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 20:03:21 GMT "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> writes > >Why me? WHY???? I was *SURE* that Steve Jobs was on to a winner here, >I bought every apple and macintosh and followed his moves closely, NeXT >seemed great.... > It goes with the territory. I hate to admit this, but I paid over $2000 for a 10 Meg hard drive back in 1984 for my Osborne 1. Computers are an expensive hobby (especially being an early adopter), but I'm still enjoying the (wild) ride! Charles. --- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-5853 or 363-9001 (Hou) (713) 363-9763 (fax) -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-5853 or 363-9001 (Hou) (713) 363-9763 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! Message-ID: <1994Jan13.210651.8060@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 21:06:51 GMT In article <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> writes: > I look at my /LocalApps and can probably find 4 applications that > I can still get support for now...I look at the collection of > boxes (Oh yes, I bought a Neuron modem too) around me and I TOUCH WOOD > that nothing EVER breaks because most of it is totally doomed. I hope that the supported ones you bought from me :-). The price for a set of six CDs was pretty good. I paid for this too, and went in with the expectation that it might be another doomed to failure NeXT operation. But I decided to do so because, to me, the price was reasonable even if I only got one or two CDs, and I believe in supporting the NeXT market. The price was right, the first CD at least was OK, and it is a NeXT project. I have bought (and sold) other apps that I believe in, and it hasn't hurt one bit. I have even felt a little better for supporting the market that I choose to work in, and helping some great people. This thread shows a real danger of turning into one knocking each and every NeXT developer in the market, to our mutual detriment. There are some real villains working in the NeXT community, probably more so than most fields in which I have worked, so let's make sure that we really are seeing the Devil before we cry wolf (in a crowded theatre.... :-). Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next user groups in Canada Date: 13 Jan 1994 08:20:45 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <2h308t$jkr@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <1994Jan12.132123.15113@xexos.com> In article <1994Jan12.132123.15113@xexos.com>, Matt Ware <matt@xexos.com> wrote: >Can anyone help me get details on Next user groups in Canada. The cities I am >most interested in are: Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. I am visiting soon and >would like to see whats happening, meetings, news sheets etc. Greetings from the University of British Columbia NUG (UBCNUG)! If you are in town, give me a call at 322-6918 (h) or 261-8110 (w) and ask for Robert Jr. I'll buy you coffee on our wonderful little town! RWW. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines, Keeper of the ZyXEL modem FAQ, University of British Columbia NeXT Users Group Leader and collector of titles.
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Intel Pro/GX SCSI driver? Date: 13 Jan 1994 08:22:43 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <2h30cj$jl0@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Where can I get a driver for the on-board SCSI controller of a Intel Pro/GX workstation? The latest version of the NS3.2 compatibility guide has no mention of it. RWW. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines, Keeper of the ZyXEL modem FAQ, University of British Columbia NeXT Users Group Leader and collector of titles.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: haldane@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Steve Sykes) Subject: Help... need to play .snd files on Apricot Xen PC Message-ID: <1994Jan13.222259.12336@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Keywords: sound, pc Sender: news@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Network News) Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 22:22:59 GMT I need to play sounds recorded with the CODEC microphone on my NeXTStation on an Apricot XEN PC with Apricot's Audio option. There are drivers for uSoft Windows that play .wav WAVE files - anyone know anything about this format? Are there any conversion utilities? Any help would be much appreciated! Steve. haldane@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
From: nando@ccrma.stanford.edu (Fernando Pablo Lopez Lezcano) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: seeking text to speech converter Date: 14 Jan 1994 00:44:20 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2h4pt4$k4s@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Hi all! A new potential user of our computers is visually impaired. Is anybody out there aware of any speech to text tool that might be used to give access to the computer? Any experience is this situation will be extremely helpful. Thanks in advance! -- Fernando nando@ccrma.stanford.edu
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: INN configuration Date: 14 Jan 1994 01:25:31 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <2h4sab$c82@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH! Whew. Now that I've gotten that out of my system... I've been trying to get my new NNTP connection to behave itself properly. I've got trn up and running, along with NewsGrazer. Trouble is, trn is incredibly slow when entering a newsgroup. Why? It's threading on the fly. The only solution I can seem to find to this problem in the documentation is to install INN on my machine. Easier said that done. I tried it, but I ended up with nothing to show for it but elevated blood pressure. I was completely unable to get the thing set up to do what I needed it to do. All I want is to be able to get the .overview files used with the nov XOVER extensions from the NNTP server to my machine so I can read news at a reasonable pace. Would any kind soul be able to give me some guidance in this matter, or perhaps a copy of an INN configuration file that works on a NS(not-T)C? Any and all help will be looked upon with the utmost gratitude and humble thanks. Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail? We can do NeXTMail!!! | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't write in Fortran. Fortran is `---- | for pipe-stress freaks and crystallography wienies.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: General Ledger Accounting - You Write the Manual Message-ID: <1994Jan13.223508.10823@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp, 4410 Pt Robinson, Vashon, WA 98070 206/463-9399 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 22:35:08 GMT I have a general ledger accounting package we wrote for internal use some years ago, that we ported when we got our Nexts. It's not a Nextstep application, but runs in a Terminal or Stuart window. There is no manual for the accounting entry program itself, but it is interactive, with menus, so someone who knows both bookkeeping and computers can probably figure it out with at most a few questions to me. There is a Unix-style man page for the program that produces detail (ledger and journal) reports. The package has handled my personal bookkeeping, that of two small companies, and also a small charitable organization's for several years. Whatever its faults, it does work. If someone with competence in accounting, computers, and writing -- all three -- would like the software to use, I will supply a copy of the current version we're using in house (that means Motorola only, sorry) in return for his or her input in three forms: 1. a manual for the package, probably not a commercial-quality book, but something clear and helpful to a bookkeeper becoming familiar with the programs; 2. notice of any bugs found; and 3. suggestions for improvement. Features: Double-entry bookkeeping system; debits always equal credits. Mnemonic 3-letter codes for accounts so even a light user needn't look at the chart of accounts very often. Special modules for handling the purchase and sale of stocks and bonds and the collection of income from them. Detail reports in ledger or journal format for all or any specified accounts for any time period. Balance sheet / income statement for any specified range of months. Working trial balance for the year. Regards, - Irving -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 In SOLID VALUE, we show intelligent investors under-priced stocks Printed Info Free: Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
From: nando@ccrma.stanford.edu (Fernando Pablo Lopez Lezcano) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: seeking text to speech converter Message-ID: <2h4uhi$l3t@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: 14 Jan 94 02:03:30 GMT References: <2h4pt4$k4s@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Stanford University Fernando Pablo Lopez Lezcano writes > Is anybody out there aware of any speech to text tool that > might be used to give access to the computer? Ooops! I meant text to speech -- Fernando used to gis situation will be extremely helpful. Thanks in advance! -- Fernando nando@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets FINALLY!!! Message-ID: <CJLp0I.DBp@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <1994Jan11.204004.21460@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 03:36:34 GMT In article <1994Jan11.204004.21460@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes: > In article <CJH7s0.7qM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu > (Jon Haveman) writes: > > That seems to be true for all aplications, with the exception of the > > workspace. Double-clicking on the workspace hides the file viewer along > > with everything else. > > Not quite :-). The first double-click hides everything; the second double > click on the Workspace icon brings it back up. Ahhhh, isn't this what I was trying to say? It is different for the WORKSPACE! --- -------------------------------------------------------------------- James P. Klett klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu jimbo@oingo.umn.edu (SLIP) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Slip Slipping' away... NeXT Mail Preferred --------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Re: ObjectWorld Boston Message-ID: <1994Jan14.024533.13060@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software References: <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 02:45:33 GMT Art Isbell writes > It's really a shame that NS wasn't a success early on so that it could >have evolved more rapidly. I fear that it will be considered old >technology after Taligent appears. Comments? I am under the impression that Taligent has stopped developing an OO-OS and has begun concentrating strictly on "development tools." I take this to mean they aren't even going to develop an operarting environment (such as NeXTSTEP and appkits thereof). If my take on it is correct, I don't think NS and Taligent even compete (head-to-head). At this time, I can't see how the Taligent development products could be used in the NS environment without a close association between NeXT and Taligent, but perhaps its possible that Taligent will be a third party developer for OpenStep (as well as OS/2, Mac and Windows). If this is true, then it's highly likely that NS will offer the most attractive combination and NeXT will benefit from having a major player providing development tools for its system. NeXT hasn't had the resources to improve it's development environment significantly in the past few years, so this may work out well. Note: I have no info to base the above discussion upon other than what I read on the net, and I don't claim to follow it all that closely. I'd love to hear NeXT's official position on Taligent (so I wouldn't have to conjecture like this). The bottom line is that we don't know what Taligent will offer so it's too early to say whether or not its good or bad for NeXT. Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-5853 or 363-9001 (Hou) (713) 363-9763 (fax)
From: infospan@infospan.com. (Max Tardiveau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets FINALLY!!! Date: 14 Jan 1994 04:32:27 GMT Organization: Minnesota Regional Network Message-ID: <2h578r$abp@cedar.mr.net> References: <CJLp0I.DBp@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <CJLp0I.DBp@news2.cis.umn.edu> jimbo@oingo.umn.edu writes: > In article <1994Jan11.204004.21460@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk > (Paul Lynch) writes: > > In article <CJH7s0.7qM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu > > (Jon Haveman) writes: > > > That seems to be true for all aplications, with the exception of the > > > workspace. Double-clicking on the workspace hides the file viewer along > > > with everything else. When you Control-double-click on the Workspace icon, the hard drive does something for a couple of seconds, and then you get a beep (in NS/Moto 3.1, at least). Anyone knows what that means ? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Infospan Corp. (612) 939-0088 Fax (612) 939-0380 5700 Smetana Drive - Minneapolis, MN 55343-9686 This is a shared account.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shergot5@mach1.wlu.ca (scott hergott) Subject: HELP!, ppd files & NSI 3.2 Message-ID: <CJLr0L.HK4@mach1.wlu.ca> Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 04:26:45 GMT I am desperately trying to hookup a printer to my Computer, and encountered a problem. NeXTSTEP Intel 3.2 does not include the ppd files for the Deskjet Printers. The Print Manager says they are there, and does not complain, however, when I try to print I get the following message on the paper % lib/ehandler.ps -- Downloaded Error Break-page handler % GOVERNMENT END USER After searching, I discovered the missing ppd files. As well, I would like to be able to print from my dot matrix printer, ( NeXT Tech Support says this can be achieved through the print drivers from 3.1) Therefore, if someone could please email me the ppd files for the HP Deskjet printers (500, 500C, and 550C), as well as a ppd for an Epson FX80 I would be VERY greatful. Thanks, Scott Hergott Email : Shergot5@mach1.wlu.ca ***************************************************************************** This Space for Rent! ..... Enquire at shergot5@mach1.wlu.ca *****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@dsi.com Subject: Re: ObjectWorld Boston Message-ID: <CJLJ8K.35M@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 01:38:44 GMT In article <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: > It's really a shame that NS wasn't a success early on so that it could > have evolved more rapidly. I fear that it will be considered old > technology after Taligent appears. Comments? It's certainly too early to tell what Taligent will do. Who knows how good it will be. Or if anyone else will adopt it. Or if it will ship on time. Or how much of it HP will use. Or how well it will fit into different OS's. Meanwhile, NeXT has a year+ to build some market share. Perhaps 2 before Taligent's frameworks are all out and tested, and bug-free. Maybe NeXTSTEP will become the Cobol of the object world. But then again, look at how many people are still using Cobol. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
From: mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets FINALLY!!! Date: 14 Jan 1994 06:19:42 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2h5dhu$c83@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <CJLp0I.DBp@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <CJLp0I.DBp@news2.cis.umn.edu> jimbo@oingo.umn.edu writes: > In article <1994Jan11.204004.21460@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk > (Paul Lynch) writes: > > In article <CJH7s0.7qM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu > > (Jon Haveman) writes: > > > That seems to be true for all aplications, with the exception of the > > > workspace. Double-clicking on the workspace hides the file viewer along > > > with everything else. > > > > Not quite :-). The first double-click hides everything; the second double > > click on the Workspace icon brings it back up. > > Ahhhh, isn't this what I was trying to say? It is different for the WORKSPACE! This is interesting because mine doesn't do this at all. Command double click on the Workspace icon hides everything except the Workspace, first time and every time. (3.2 Moto). -- ============================================================================== Alex Currier * mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu * NeXTmail capable. Time is just one damn thing after another. ==============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Message-ID: <1994Jan14.062722.27946@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <2grotq$qvf@bmerha64.bnr.ca> <1994Jan12.142138.981@qb.rhein-main.de> <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 06:27:22 GMT In article <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> writes: >I'm probably one of the few real suckers in the NeXT community...I >might as well admit it now. I bought a NeXT, now I can't get support >for those, I bought a Tecor drive, hah, I bought Appsoft Image, I >bought PasteUp, indeed, with very few exceptions every product that >I have purchased for my NeXT has ended up in the company going bust, >changing their mind about NeXT, selling the rights, you name it. So, um, if I were, like, a commercial developer ... could I hire you to purchase my competitors' products? :-) I think your "unique talents" are marketable! -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets FINALLY!!! Message-ID: <1994Jan14.081027.9596@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <CJLp0I.DBp@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 08:10:27 GMT In article <CJLp0I.DBp@news2.cis.umn.edu> jimbo@oingo.umn.edu writes: > In article <1994Jan11.204004.21460@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk > (Paul Lynch) writes: > > In article <CJH7s0.7qM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu > > (Jon Haveman) writes: > > > That seems to be true for all aplications, with the exception of the > > > workspace. Double-clicking on the workspace hides the file viewer along > > > with everything else. > > > > Not quite :-). The first double-click hides everything; the second double > > click on the Workspace icon brings it back up. > > Ahhhh, isn't this what I was trying to say? It is different for the WORKSPACE! Sure. Although I should have said that the behaviour I describe only applies to 3.0; 3.2 (and I think 3.1) Workspace works the same as all othr apps; double-click hides all other windows. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Lauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Good news from JANA Date: 14 Jan 1994 08:56:25 GMT Organization: University of Tuebingen Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h5mnp$sec@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Well, well. Yesterday I received a little paket from JANA, which I didn't expect to come to me after the recent discussion. It contained one of the 2 CD's I've ordered in late October and a rather funny letter on what went wrong with the second CD and when to expect it arriving (ships end of the month). They claim to have 400 MB of software on this first CD, but I have to check it out first. If it's true, they have rehabilitated themselfes to some extend. One thing though. They want me to pay for the CD within fourteen days. When does this period start ? They sent the paket on january the fourth, but it took 10 days to arrive in Germany. Bye, Harald --- Harald Lauer Those health nuts will look Wilhelm-Schickard Institut fuer Informatik stupid someday, lying in Universitaet Tuebingen hospital dying of nothing. Sand 13, 72076 Tuebingen, Germany lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: I'm a jinx too... Message-ID: <1994Jan14.100022.14893@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> <1994Jan14.062722.27946@csus.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 10:00:22 GMT In article <1994Jan14.062722.27946@csus.edu> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes: >>In article <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> "Scott A. McIntyre" >> <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> writes: >>>I'm probably one of the few real suckers in the NeXT community...I >>>might as well admit it now. I bought a NeXT, now I can't get support >>>for those, I bought a Tecor drive, hah, I bought Appsoft Image, I >>>bought PasteUp, indeed, with very few exceptions every product that >>>I have purchased for my NeXT has ended up in the company going bust, >>>changing their mind about NeXT, selling the rights, you name it. >> I know how you feel. I bought Image, *2* Tecor drives, PasteUp, FrameMaker... I actually got a PO this summer from my advisor to buy PasteUp and frontFace. Since I was living in CA at the time, I called up RightBrain and ordered it, since they were pretty close, and had it delivered to work in Richmond. 3 days later I'm at a party and hear they're going belly up. I decided to put off my order to nPoint until I found out if RightBrain really was going out of business. A few weeks later it was official. I decided not to buy frontFace until the fall, because (really!) I was afraid I'd jinx the fine folks at nPoint. With PhD exams, I never got around to it, and am now wondering what ever happened to them. Unfortunately, I've not heard from those folks since the summer. Anybody know if they're still in business? Does anyone use frontFace? I beta tested it and liked it, although it had its share of crashers... sigh. Well, at least Lighthouse, Stone Design, Digital Toolworks and Altsys are still in (NeXTSTEP) business... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) --> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office)
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help (please read if have DEC Hard drive) Date: 13 Jan 1994 22:12:23 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2h5d47$8kt@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <deathCJHt33.5vI@netcom.com> DEC put a five year warranty on the DSP drives when I bought mine. Maybe it has something to do with the serial number when you call them. maurices
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Date: 14 Jan 1994 06:09:27 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401141205.AA15668@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Geez, and I though everybody here was a "power-user"! :-) Here are a couple more documented-but-often-unnoticed features, taken from the forthcoming UK-NEXTSTEP-User group newsletter's Hints'n'Tips section (thanks also to Paul Lynch)... (any other submissions welcome!) Have fun, mmalcolm. One click may seem like just another, but there are times when holding down an extra key whilst clicking can save a lot of time and effort. Here are some examples: * <Command> double-clicking on an active application's icon (or an unlaunched application in the dock) hides all other applications (and launches an unlauched application in the dock). * <Command> clicking on a window's title bar sends it to the back of the view hierarchy. * <Alternate> clicking on the arrow buttons of a scroller moves the view a "windowful" in the appropriate direction. * <Alternate> click on the NeXT icon of the dock to send the dock to a window level behind everything else. <Alternate> click to bring it back. * <Alternate><Command> click on the NeXT icon of the dock for a fast logout without unhiding the viewer. * <Shift> clicking on the Preview button in the FontPanel will cause the Preview button to stay "on" and automatically preview fonts as you click in the panel. * Open and Save Panels can be resized without adding columns to their browsers by holding down the <Alternate> key while resizing.
From: ilg@imp.ch (Philippe Steindl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Thanx for all the info :) Date: 14 Jan 1994 15:57:32 +0100 Organization: Improware AG, Fuellinsdorf, Switzerland Message-ID: <2h6bss$j4d@indigo.imp.ch> Hello ppl, I want to thank the ones that mailed me about different subjects (NeXT going to die etc.) I wanted to reply the email, but I accidentally erased it, shame shame... laters Philippe Steindl
From: kov@onyx.dartmouth.edu (Ken Overton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Optical Drive Error Date: 14 Jan 1994 14:47:01 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Distribution: worlds Message-ID: <2h6b95$lo7@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> PROBLEM: Optical Disks are not recognized by the OS. Often disks sit in the drive trying to boot continually and always failing; brings everything else to a halt while trying. ERROR MESSAGES: od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 8 phys block 264 (4165:0:8) Jan 14 09:07:20 Workspace[144]: Workspace: 'mounted' message received for unknown device od_sect_to: N-1 Not Found od_sect_to: N-1 Not Found od_sect_to: N-1 Not Found and I've gotten: Unknown device type (od0) Unknown device type (od0) I HAVE TRIED THUS FAR: Rebooting and running fsck on the system so it comes up clean; then rebooting again in single user mode, trying to run /usr/etc/fsck and /usr/etc/disk on the optical while it's spinning in the drive unrecognized. No disk utility can access the disk, though. I had to eject the disk from the ROM monitor. MY OPINION: I've seen disk errors, where the problem is with the disk, they look like this: od0a: read recover (ECC) block 8 phys block 65055 (8214:0:15) This looks to me like it is a problem with the drive itself. Are there drive utilities to work on this? Should I just go out looking for either a new optical drive or just scrap the OD idea and go with a new hard drive? kov@onyx.dartmouth.edu
From: robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets FINALLY!!! Date: 14 Jan 1994 15:39:57 GMT Organization: Pencom Sofware Message-ID: <2h6ecd$k3m@digdug.pencom.com> References: <2h578r$abp@cedar.mr.net> In article <2h578r$abp@cedar.mr.net> infospan@infospan.com. (Max Tardiveau) writes: :When you Control-double-click on the Workspace icon, the hard drive does :something for a couple of seconds, and then you get a beep (in NS/Moto 3.1, at :least). Anyone knows what that means ? Ummm... Just a guess. You are paging in the 'System Beep'. This key/mouse sequence is not valid for anything. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** These are my opinions... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin D. Wilson robin@pencom.com Pencom Software 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <1994Jan14.145822.2258@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software References: <9401141205.AA15668@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 14:58:22 GMT Malcolm Crawford writes > > * <Command> clicking on a window's title bar sends it to the back of >the view hierarchy. > <Command> <up|dn arrow> "rolls" the windows on the screen (without changing which one is the key window). -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-5853 or 363-9001 (Hou) (713) 363-9763 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Karen Duca, a.k.a. Rocky) Subject: MAC ROMs Message-ID: <1994Jan14.174922.8743@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 17:49:22 GMT I saw an ad in a trade magazine a few months back about MAC ROMs for black hardware. We have only one NeXT (black hardware) machine in the office and otherwise just MACs and I thought this might be something for us to add some extra functionality to our NeXT. How are they to use? Who sells them? Any comments would be appreciated and I'll post a summary of responses (assuming I get any)! Thanx, Karen duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
From: jcd@aladdin.aero.org (John C Davis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Trouble with .Z and .tar files Date: 14 Jan 1994 18:45:31 GMT Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Message-ID: <2h6p8b$15p@news.aero.org> I just downloaded am1.00.0.tar.Z from the archives and when I went to uncompress from the NS 3.2 inspector panel the console returns this message "uncompress: corrupt input memory allocation error: attempt to free or realloc space not in heap" but it gave me a am1.00.0.tar file. When I tried to untar this file the console returned this message "/usr/bin/gnutar: Skipping to next file header..." This same thing happened with AcChen32.tar "/usr/bin/gnutar: Skipping to next file header..." What am I doing wrong and how can I correctly get these programs extracted from their archived form or maybe some kind soul could NeXTMail me these files. Also I am not sure what to do with .gz files. I downloaded TransSys-PNI-1.6-beta.tar.gz and did a gzip -d TransSys-PNI-1.6-beta.tar.gz TransSys-PNI-1.6-beta.tar" and the error came back "gzip: TransSys-PNI-1.6-beta.tar.gz: invalid compressed data--format violated". What do I do to extract .gz files? Thanks for any advice or NeXTMailing me the files in question John C Davis jcd@aladdin.aero.org ( NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stephane@planon.qc.ca Subject: Re: ObjectWorld Boston Message-ID: <1994Jan14.152225.8221@planon.qc.ca> Sender: stephane@planon.qc.ca References: <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 15:22:25 GMT In article <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: > HP plans to ship Taligent products in early 1995 which is only about 6 > months later than when the OpenStep spec is due and Sun's OpenStep > implementation may be available. So NEXTSTEP's window of opportunity > seems to be about to close without NEXTSTEP really establishing itself in > any significant way. I fear that Taligent's technology will leap-frog > over NEXTSTEP because NEXTSTEP hasn't really changed significantly since > its introduction in 1988, probably due to its lack of success and NeXT's > lack of resources. Although Taligent will be much less mature than NS, it > will also be the exciting new technology that unlike NS will have the > support of big guns early on. Shipping Taligent products does not mean shipping something that is close to what NS is today. It may be just a couple of goodies, certainly not an OS since Taligent announced months ago that this not their priority anymore. I'm really sick and tired of all that "vaporware", all the hype around products which are nowhere in sight. This is an old IBM tactic which have been utilize many time by the folks at MS throughout the '80s. Even though this seem to be quite effective in the general public and among MIS department, could I hope that the computer literates people who post to the newsgroup will see a little clearer in that old trick? Thanks. Stephane Savard Director R&D Planon Telexpertise Inc. 1370 Joliot-Curie #708 Boucherville, Quebec Canada, J4B 7L9 Email: stephane@planon.qc.ca (NeXTmail accepted and appreciated!)
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Message-ID: <1457@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 14 Jan 94 07:33:50 GMT References: <94012.1730333JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com 3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes > OK, here is the response for Pauls story. I am Jay, and I started JANA > Publishing to produce CD's for NeXT and we are still doing that. [lots of stuff deleted] > I am not working at Jana full time, I am back to school. An excellent idea. I have never seen so many misspelled words and grammatical errors in a single net posting in my entire life. My favorite sentence was: "But this not work out well when commercel software venders backed out." Sorry. I don't know either of you and I never subscribed to Jana's product, but Paul Marcos' post was much more compelling and believable, from my point of view. If you've been out there reading all this for so long, why haven't you responded to help out the customers who were complaining? You only post when Paul decided to post and take issue with you personally. You owe something to your customers; it's not always easy to come through, but it's your obligation if you're going to take people's money. -- Glenn Reid glenn@rightbrain.com Woodside, California
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: ObjectWorld Boston Message-ID: <CJn0Hu.Czn@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: news@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <1994Jan14.152225.8221@planon.qc.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 20:49:06 GMT In article <1994Jan14.152225.8221@planon.qc.ca> stephane@planon.qc.ca writes: >>In article <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) >>writes: [munch munch] >>I'm really sick and tired of all that "vaporware", all the hype around >>products which are nowhere in sight. This is an old IBM tactic which have >>been utilize many time by the folks at MS throughout the '80s. Even though >>this seem to be quite effective in the general public and among MIS >>department, could I hope that the computer literates people who post to >>the newsgroup will see a little clearer in that old trick? Agreed. It's not so much folks talking about vaporware - heck, I like to talk about the future as much as the next guy. It's when they talk about vaporware as if it exists...TODAY! Now that really bugs me. -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
From: long0@ncc.centel.com (Gary Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 800 x 600 x 2bit on SVGA ???? Date: 14 Jan 1994 14:03:29 GMT Organization: Central Telephone Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <2h68nh$9im@coergw2.centel.com> Does anybody know if it is possible to write a driver for SVGA cards that would display an 800 x 600 x 2-bit grey screen (NeXTSTEP). I'm not too familiar with graphics driver writing, but it seems to me that cards with 1/2 MB of VRAM would be able to display NeXTSTEP's 2-bit greyscale at this resolution. 800 * 600 * 1byte (NeXTSTEP's 2-bit greyscale uses another 2-bits for transparency, according to the notes in the supported hardware docs from NeXTanswers. Should fit in 1/2 MB, or am I missing something? Any experts out there? (I know there are :) -- Gary Longsine long0@ncc.centel.com
From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Costas Malamas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Guide a begginer into NeXTStep... Message-ID: <131888@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 14 Jan 94 23:15:31 GMT Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology A coupla months ago, I was introduced to NeXTStep as part of my job. I have to say that I was _majorly_ impressed. It ranks to the top of my list of favorite environments, and, believe me I've used a bunch of them... Now, I am not a computer ignorant (although I dont make 'guru' ranking :), but I'd like some info/help on NeXTStep, stuff that I wasn't able to figure out, so here it goes, netters: 1) What's up w/ the right mouse button? There is a setting under Workspace/Preferences to use the right button to pop up the main menu of the current app. However, this setting is NOT saved for the next session. Anything I missed??? Any way to get around it?? I really like the X-Win feeling to it... 2) Anyway, to circumvent PostScript rendering of images on-screen??? I'd like to export flow-viz images, and be able to do it, w/o starting an X-server.. 3) FTP sites specializing in NeXTStep... All the big ones (umich, garbo) dont seem to have that much... Or is NS public domain deprived?? 4) NeXTStep /486... Were can I find info about it??? No, I dont mean stores and magazines -- dont trustem :)... I've looked for a newsgroup to no avail... an alt. maybe (we dont get that feed)??? That's it for now... I'd really appreciate all input... Thanx in advance... -- Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ Georgia Institute of Technology OIT UA -- OIT doesn't pay me enough to share my opinions... Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Guide a begginer into NeXTStep... Message-ID: <2h7cp3$1je@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: 15 Jan 94 00:18:43 GMT References: <131888@hydra.gatech.EDU> Organization: Stanford University Costas Malamas writes > I'd like some info/help on NeXTStep, stuff that I wasn't able to > figure out, so here it goes, netters: > 1) What's up w/ the right mouse button? There is a > setting under Workspace/Preferences to use the right > button to pop up the main menu of the current app. > However, this setting is NOT saved for the next session. > Anything I missed??? Any way to get around it?? It should be saved. Its always been saved when I've used it. > 3) FTP sites specializing in NeXTStep... All the big > ones (umich, garbo) dont seem to have that much... Or is > NS public domain deprived?? cs.orst.edu sonata.cc.purdue.edu look in pub/next > 4) NeXTStep /486... Were can I find info about it??? > No, I dont mean stores and magazines -- dont trustem > :)... I've looked for a newsgroup to no avail... an alt. > maybe (we dont get that feed)??? You seem to have found the newsgroup :-) You're in it. A FAQ is posted in comp.sys.next.announce pretty regularly. Also, send email to answers@next.com with "help ascii" in the subject line. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ObjectWorld Boston Date: 15 Jan 1994 00:29:33 GMT Organization: Pencom Sofware Message-ID: <2h7ddd$j2o@digdug.pencom.com> References: <1994Jan14.152225.8221@planon.qc.ca> About HP purchasing a % of Taligent: Hardware vendors just want all the good technology on their operating systems. They need to sell their hardware, so they have to concentrate on making "good" hardware and running "all" the software. Sometimes it does not matter whether it's good or not. They just want it on their hardware. Let the best software win. I don't know what products Taligent will come out with. It seems too early to tell. NEXTSTEP will be the most homogeneous and most elegant I think. I've heard several times C++ associated with Taligent's work. Now, how would they implement distributed objects using C++?. How would someone extend a C++ object at run time? How would you intercept a message statically bound into a function call?. I'm really not too optimistic about Taligent just from that. Maybe their frameworks is just competition to Microsoft's Foundation Classes except that it will run on several platforms (in theory). Maybe their Mach-like kernel is really good and HP would like to replace their kernel with Taligents or something like that. Only HP knows! Taligent may come out with some very successful products and their distributed objects may be IBM's SOM compiler. I'd like to see Digital with Alpha jump on NEXTSTEP and OpenStep. Have you seen those 486 boxes that can be upgraded into a Pentium or Alpha by plugging in a daughterboard? The speed is supposed to be increased because bottleneck components are also replaced by the daughterboard. It would be wise to mantain a high level of compatibility among OPENSTEP and NEXTSTEP so that applications written for the OpenStep spec runs on both OPENSTEP and NEXTSTEP. There's also big investments in those operating systems (i.e. Solaris) and software that runs on them including other drivers that it does not make sense to replace them by NEXTSTEP native. In those cases OPENSTEP will be the way to go. Mantaining a high level of compatibility between NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP is wise because developers can support all platforms without any increased costs and their market becomes larger and users will see lower prices. One multi-architecure binary for all. As NEXTSTEP's installed based increases it will be more reasonable for the price of programs and NEXTSTEP itself to go down I think. Sounds like we need more and more and more drivers. Will see! Ricardo J. Parada Pencom Software Austin, Texas
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pasqua@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re: 800 x 600 x 2bit on SVGA ???? Message-ID: <1994Jan15.002010.1045@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2h68nh$9im@coergw2.centel.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 00:20:10 GMT In article <2h68nh$9im@coergw2.centel.com> long0@ncc.centel.com (Gary Longsine) writes: > > Does anybody know if it is possible to write a > driver for SVGA cards that would display an > 800 x 600 x 2-bit grey screen (NeXTSTEP). > > I'm not too familiar with graphics driver > writing, but it seems to me that cards with > 1/2 MB of VRAM would be able to display > NeXTSTEP's 2-bit greyscale at this resolution. > > 800 * 600 * 1byte (NeXTSTEP's 2-bit greyscale > uses another 2-bits for transparency, according > to the notes in the supported hardware docs > from NeXTanswers. > > Should fit in 1/2 MB, or am I missing something? > > Any experts out there? (I know there are :) > > -- Gary Longsine > long0@ncc.centel.com This is definitely possible. Check out the Cirrus Logic and TsengLabsET4000 examples in /NextDeveloper/Examples/DriverKit. They are 1024x768 2 bit grayscale drivers. Also read the documentation for IOSVGADisplay. This stuff is not in 3.1 - you need 3.2. The actaul mode used on the SVGA card will be 4 bits deep even though NEXTSTEP will only use 2 bits worth of information per pixel (no alpha channel information is stored with pixels in the framebuffer). Have fun, joe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rvose@sparc19.cs.uiuc.edu (Randy Vose) Subject: Re: Good news from JANA Message-ID: <CJnF8t.In0@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign References: <2h5mnp$sec@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 02:07:40 GMT >Yesterday I received a little paket from JANA, which I didn't expect to >come to me after the recent discussion. It contained one of the 2 CD's >I've ordered in late October and a rather funny letter on what went wrong >with the second CD and when to expect it arriving (ships end of the month). Mine arrived today. (1/14/94) >They claim to have 400 MB of software on this first CD, but I have to check >it out first. If it's true, they have rehabilitated themselfes to some >extend. Well, I'm not sure if this is a problem with the CD or not, but whenever I mount mine in my CDROM (a PLI model) the CD shows up in the browser, but whenever I click on the CD, no directories show up! (?) If I go to a Terminal window and cd to the CD, ta-da! directories show up. BUT, whenever I try to run something, I get a system panic and the whole machine crashes. Is anyone else out there having similar trouble? I just upgraded to 3.2 user a week ago, and haven't really done much since. I just left mail to Jay to see what's up... I'll let you know what I hear back... Randy Vose Internet: rvose@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu University of Illinois rvose@cs.uiuc.edu Urbana/Champaignn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfr@aspen.pdh.com (Jon F. Rosen) Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Message-ID: <CJnG2q.7oC@pdh.com> Sender: news@pdh.com (USENET News Account) Organization: PDH, Inc. References: <1994Jan13.200321.11319@gleap.sccsi.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 02:25:38 GMT Charles C. Lloyd writes > Scott A. McIntyre writes > > > > Why me? WHY???? I was *SURE* that Steve Jobs was on to a > > winner here, I bought every apple and macintosh and followed > > his moves closely, NeXT seemed great.... > > It goes with the territory. > > I hate to admit this, but I paid over $2000 for a 10 Meg hard > drive back in 1984 for my Osborne 1. Computers are an expensive > hobby (especially being an early adopter), but I'm still enjoying > the (wild) ride! Well, we can do a bit of two-downsmanship here :-) In 1982, just two months after the IBM PeeCee was released, I spent $2495 for a FIVE megabyte hard drive and expansion chassis for my PC. Even better, I was one of the "idiots" who paid IBM $595 each for two 64K expansion boards when the PC was shipped. In 1982, I was able to buy a single 256K expansion board for $995, which, at that time, I considered to be an incredible bargain. Then again, I consider myself lucky to have not spent $500 on one of the early calculators that could do square roots. Even *I* have my limits :-) Jon
From: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <778@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: 14 Jan 94 19:01:20 GMT References: <9401141205.AA15668@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Sender: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Maartensdijk, The Netherlands In article <9401141205.AA15668@dcs.shef.ac.uk> M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) writes: > Geez, and I though everybody here was a "power-user"! :-) > * <Alternate><Command> click on the NeXT icon of the dock for a fast > logout without unhiding the viewer. Hm, I thought power-users were allowed to log out without being questioned about it - now where's that #%&%^&^%# Preference entry that governs the appearance of the 'Do you really want to log out ?' panel ? -- Toon Moene (toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl) Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands Phone: + 31 3461 4290; Fax: + 31 3461 4286 No Disclaimers; a NeXT@home protects against this occupational hazard. NB: Strictly black hardware here - No Intel in sight :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: Re: Jana Publishing, again. Message-ID: <1994Jan14.214924.17540@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven References: <dcodeCJKp30.K3J@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 21:49:24 GMT dcode@netcom.com (Paul Marcos) writes: >Again, sorry for degrading the level of discussion in this group, >I generally don't do things like that. I personally still have >Thanks for listening again and sorry for wasting the bandwidth. Well Paul, I just got one disk of the two, but still I think that you should't be too shy and humble, let's keep the net ALIVE AND KICKING. So, not tooooooooo many apologies please Willem -- . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Willem van Schaik schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl
From: ntt@garnet.msen.com (National TechTeam) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Date: 15 Jan 1994 12:03:08 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Message-ID: <2h8m1t$beo@nigel.msen.com> References: <1994Jan10.153911.14163@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> I have to agree! A trivial increase in performance does not justify the confusion and annoyance this has created. Alan Frabutt amf@ntt.com Oscar Brooks (obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov) wrote: : I have received numerous file with the extensions *.qz. : Could someone please tell me were I can pickup the binary : version of the program to uncompress these files? I need it : for black hardware. Please help, this is extremely annoying. : O : ------------------------------------------------ : Oscar Brooks : Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 : Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 : Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov <NeXTMail OK>
From: murao@kobe-u.ac.jp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets FINALLY!!! Message-ID: <murao.94Jan15213716@blueslab> Date: 16 Jan 94 02:37:16 GMT References: <2h578r$abp@cedar.mr.net> <2h6ecd$k3m@digdug.pencom.com> Sender: news@icluna.kobe-u.ac.jp (news-admin) Distribution: comp Organization: Information Processing Center Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 > In article <2h578r$abp@cedar.mr.net> infospan@infospan.com. (Max Tardiveau) > writes: > :When you Control-double-click on the Workspace icon, the hard drive does > :something for a couple of seconds, and then you get a beep (in NS/Moto 3.1, > at > :least). Anyone knows what that means ? > > Ummm... Just a guess. You are paging in the 'System Beep'. This key/mouse > sequence is not valid for anything. I've just tried this sequence. After syncing hard drive and floppy drive, I got the panel with "You can safely remove the floppy disk now." message. Yes. I think this sequence is equal to "eject" item of Workspace menu. If there is no floppy disk mounted, this sequence cause only a beep. --- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hajime Murao <murao@kobe-u.ac.jp> -*- NeXTmail gladly accepted !! Graduate School of Science and Technology, Kobe University, Japan Phone 078-881-1212 (ext.2733) / FAX 078-882-4888 / NIFTY NAA01617
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets FINALLY!!! Message-ID: <CJo9F4.Bon@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <2h5dhu$c83@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 12:59:27 GMT In article <2h5dhu$c83@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@colourbox.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > In article <CJLp0I.DBp@news2.cis.umn.edu> jimbo@oingo.umn.edu writes: > > In article <1994Jan11.204004.21460@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk > > (Paul Lynch) writes: > > > In article <CJH7s0.7qM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu > > > (Jon Haveman) writes: > > > > That seems to be true for all aplications, with the exception of the > > > > workspace. Double-clicking on the workspace hides the file viewer along > > > > with everything else. > > > > > > Not quite :-). The first double-click hides everything; the second double > > > click on the Workspace icon brings it back up. > > > > Ahhhh, isn't this what I was trying to say? It is different for the > WORKSPACE! > > This is interesting because mine doesn't do this at all. Command double click > on the Workspace icon hides everything except the Workspace, first time and > every time. (3.2 Moto). Sounds like a difference between 3.0 (which I'm using) and 3.2. No big deal, but nice to see they pay attention to this kind of detail. Consistency seems to me a good thing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cbaur@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Christian Baur) Subject: NEW "peanuts" NeXT FTP archive!! Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Message-ID: <cbaur.758646135@news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 15:02:15 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen You know peanuts? No? Then you missed something! PEANUTS is now the best sorted NeXT archive. You can reach peanuts via ftp on ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de:/pub/comp/platforms/next We have restructured the archive hierarchy, browsed through all the files and sorted them according to our new file structure. In addition, we renamed the files. Now, the filenames reflect the version number, the architecture and the distribution form of a package. We hope, that this filenaming scheme suffices the needs of our users (specially Intel users) and that more sites are willing to adopt it! Filenaming scheme ================= NameOfPackage.[versionNumber].[architecture].[distribution].[archivers] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- versionNumber : the release and/or version number of the program architecture : if the archive contains binaries, for which architecture? N NeXT m68k ('black hardware') I Intel x86 processor ('white hardware') H HP/PA architecture, HP S Sparc architecture, SUN distribution : what does the archive contain? source, binary, both? b binaries for the mentioned architectures s sources the sources may(!) compile d data files non-executables, scripts etc. a libraries for the specified architecture archivers : file-extensions of the archive program(s) some examples: TeXmenu.4.1.NI.b.tar.gz am.1.00.s.tar.gz structure ========= toplevel -------- Audio Commercial Communication Database Developer Documents Fonts Games Graphics Mail Network Patches Science Text Tools Unix Usenet X11 i486 submissions secondlevel structure --------------------- apps programs with NeXTSTEP Interface programs programs without NeXTSTEP Interface commercial demo applications and programs If you have any comments on or problems with our new archive, you can contact us by sending an email to ftp@informatik.uni-muenchen.de. Your submissions are welcome! Please upload them to our submission directory /pub/comp/platforms/next/submissions. A short eMail will help us, to put your submission as soon as possible in the right place. We hope, that you enjoy "peanuts"! Your Peanuts FTPAdmins Christian Baur, Marc Guenther, Patrick Stein
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: lippe@herbie.ircam.fr (Cort Lippe) Subject: Wanted: rent (or borrow) Next Cube for concert in Miami Message-ID: <1994Jan14.163637.17040@ircam.fr> Sender: usenet@ircam.fr (USENET News System) Organization: IRCAM Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 16:36:37 GMT I have a concert in Miami in April this year, and I need a Next Cube (NOT a NextStation) to perform some real-time computer music. Is there anyone in the Miami area who could lend or rent me a Next Cube ? A propos rentals: this is a non-commercial gig, so I'm on a tight budget... sigh.... Please contact me if you have such a Cube or have some leads or anything. Thanks Cort Lippe lippe@ircam.fr IRCAM 1, Place Igor Stravinsky F-75004 Paris France voice: (international)-33-1-4478-4855 fax: (international)-33-1-4277-2947
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 10:49:28 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <chC128G00iV141i6YS@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2h8m1t$beo@nigel.msen.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 15-Jan-94 Re: GNU *.gz Utility by National TechTeam@garnet > I have to agree! A trivial increase in performance does not justify > the confusion and annoyance this has created. > > Alan Frabutt > amf@ntt.com > Oscar Brooks (obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov) wrote: > > : I have received numerous file with the extensions *.qz. > : Could someone please tell me were I can pickup the binary > : version of the program to uncompress these files? I need it > : for black hardware. Please help, this is extremely annoying. There is a major legal battle underway about various patent infringements on compression algorithms. Depending on how the courts decide, the 'compress' (.Z) program may not be free anymore and you might have to pay money to (legally) compress or decompress .Z files (!). Gzip (.gz) is free of such patent issues, and thus is 'safer' to use. (Consult the README files with gzip for the grimy details.) Also, gzip compresses and decompresses both faster and smaller than compress does, which makes it my preferred program. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*splat*! | 1. You can't fly. --------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Date: 15 Jan 1994 10:13:27 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <2h9bo7$fbl@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1994Jan13.200321.11319@gleap.sccsi.com> <CJnG2q.7oC@pdh.com> I've got one: In 1989 I purchased a SCSI and 20 meg MINISCRIBE (noisy sticking piece of S*&%) upgrade to a system for $1200. It was "proprietary" hardware and the upgrade involved sending the machine back to the factory so authorized service techs to do the job and keep the warranty in tact. I opened that puppy up immediately after receiving it. Golly, $1200 for a hundred bucks worth of stuff in todays pricing. Now adays its just PUSH BUTTON SURPRIZE, just like life. Oh well..... maurices
From: johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu (John B. Friedman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dead? 3.0 Mail app help needed Date: 15 Jan 1994 20:38:54 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2h9k8u$37j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Netters, could I get some advice? I had a freeze the other day when my modem clicked off in midst of transmitting mail and cursor kept whirling. 3.0 Mail was not active then though had been working fine just 10 minutes before. I used Halt, rebooted, got a message there had been a disk segment error now fixed. Clicked on Mail app in dock. It would highlight for a second or two and then quit and take me back to Workspace menu. I tried to pull app out of dock and replace with Mail app from Next apps. Same thing. I logged in as root and replaced the app. I got the mail to open there but there was no mail in it, just "welcome new user" message. The modem is definitely passing mail and seems OK. It is just that the mail menu won't come up and the window open when mail icon clicked . Any thoughts on where to begin, what kind of error message to look for if any would be most appreciated. Thanks very much. John Friedman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: 890560p@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trevor Porter) Subject: Looking for general information on NeXTStep Message-ID: <1994Jan15.204745.24353@relay.acadiau.ca> Sender: news@relay.acadiau.ca Organization: Acadia University Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 20:47:45 GMT I'm looking for a general overview on the NextStep operating system. Is there an ftp site somewhere with anything like this? Thanks Trevor -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Trevor Porter 890560 \\|// Acadia University | | trevor.porter@acadiau.ca (o o) Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada | +------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------------------------+
From: slwdz@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <1994Jan15.072032.7925@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jan 94 07:20:32 MDT References: <9401141205.AA15668@dcs.shef.ac.uk> <1994Jan14.145822.2258@gleap.sccsi.com> Organization: Utah State University In article <1994Jan14.145822.2258@gleap.sccsi.com>, clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > Malcolm Crawford writes >> >> * <Command> clicking on a window's title bar sends it to the back of >>the view hierarchy. >> > > <Command> <up|dn arrow> "rolls" the windows on the screen (without changing > which one is the key window). Alt-clicking on the arrow buttons of a scroll view will scroll the display by a screen at a time. John Zollinger slwdz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrown@wri.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Need help with OD Message-ID: <CJowqH.45D@wri.com> Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <2h1p77$jor@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> <2h2aep$c5r@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 21:23:05 GMT Hi, My optical disks cannot be read by my machine. fsck tried to rebuild the disk twice but with no success. Here's what happened as best as I can remember. The other day a friend of mine (not a computer user in general) was clicking on various files on my optical disk. She double clicked on an app on my optical (while in the file viewer) and the system "hung". The cursor turned into the pin-wheel and would not stop. I could click on other icons in the dock and the app would come to the front but when I'd return to the file viewer, the pin wheel was still going. I checked in the terminal to try to kill the process but there was no sign of it. Seems like no connection had been made - as if the app could not be found or something. I tried to power down using the power key and all the other apps that were running (nothing more than the basics: terminal, backspace, prefs, and file viewer) shut down but then I was returned to the file viewer and that pin-wheel just kept spinning. Not knowing how to get it to stop I turned the machine off - the OD still in the drive. When I started up again it slowly tried to boot up but it seemed like it was trying to boot from the OD. I got into the monitor and ejected the OD and rebooted. After a long boot, the machine corrected itself and everything seems fine now...except for the above described problem. Any thoughts? I had about 250MB of stuff on there that's apparently lost now. I appreciate any help or suggestions (or verification that the stuff is actually lost so I can get on with my life). Thanks, Dan PS I'd prefer email (dbrown@wri.com) but posting on here would be fine too.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrown@wri.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Re: Need help with OD Message-ID: <CJozoD.5CB@wri.com> Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <2h1p77$jor@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> <2h2aep$c5r@agate.berkeley.edu> <CJowqH.45D@wri.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 22:26:36 GMT Hi, First my machine specs: NeXTCube '040 25MHz NS 3.1 12 MB RAM My optical disks cannot be read by my machine. fsck tried to rebuild the disk twice but with no success. Here's what happened as best as I can remember. The other day a friend of mine (not a computer user in general) was clicking on various files on my optical disk. She double clicked on an app on my optical (while in the file viewer) and the system "hung". The cursor turned into the pin-wheel and would not stop. I could click on other icons in the dock and the app would come to the front but when I'd return to the file viewer, the pin wheel was still going. I checked in the terminal to try to kill the process but there was no sign be found or something. I tried to power down using the power key and all the other apps that were running (nothing more than the basics: terminal, backspace, prefs, and file viewer) shut down but then I was returned to the file viewer and that pin-wheel just kept spinning. Not knowing how to get it to stop I turned the machine off - the OD still in the drive. When I started up again it slowly tried to boot up but it seemed like it was trying to boot from the OD. I got into the monitor and ejected the OD and rebooted. After a long boot, the machine corrected itself and everything seems fine now...except for the above described problem. Any thoughts? I had about 250MB of stuff on there that's apparently lost now. I appreciate any help or suggestions (or verification that the stuff is actually lost so I can get on with my life). Thanks, Dan PS I'd prefer email (dbrown@wri.com) but posting on here would be fine too.
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Music Kit & OCR. Message-ID: <Jan.15.19.12.53.1994.26753@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 16 Jan 94 00:12:53 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Im looking for some OCR software. Particularly something heavy duty, that can work with a HP scanner with sheetfeeder, scanning in hundreds of pages. OCR servent is terrific, but it seems to be geared towards low volume scanning. Any pointers in the right direction will be apprecieated. And now for something completely different... Is the music kit in release 4.0, or is it still beta? Anyway, can some one tell me the ftp archive site where it can be found? Thanks. Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: prie@dali.cc.rochester.edu (Tod Rieger) Subject: Developer Conference hotels/roommate? Message-ID: <1994Jan15.221836.27971@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 22:18:36 GMT I am looking for a hotel in the Washington, DC area that is less expensive than the Sheraton Washington ($130 single), but located near a metro station -- so I can get to the one near the Sheraton (red line; Woodley Park/Place?). I'm hoping for about $60/night. Alternatively, if someone needs a roommate: well, you could do worse. I'll need a room Monday and Tuesday nights. Or just point me towards the nearest heating grate. :-) Thanks for any information! Please email and I'll summarize. prie@acm.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rvose@sparc19.cs.uiuc.edu (Randy Vose) Subject: Problems mounting JANA CD ROM... Message-ID: <CJoMAB.Mvt@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 17:37:22 GMT I received my CD ROM from Jana yesterday and am having considerable difficulty with it. The CD is the one from the NeXTWorld Expo. I have a NeXTstation Color (non-turbo) running NS 3.2 with a PLI CD-ROM drive. Whenever I place the disc in the drive, the filesystem mounts in the root directory as JANA_0593. When I click on the CD icon, no files or directories show up in the broswer. It appears as if the CD has nothing on it. If I bring up a terminal window, 'cd' to the JANA_0593 directory and then do an 'ls', files, directories and everything show up. As soon as I try to read something off of the disc, the NMI window pops up and starts scrolling a bunch of information and the system crashes. I can't even issue a 'reboot' command from the NMI window... I mailed Jay (from Jana) about this and he says that no one else has complained about this sort of thing, which makes me think that something is wrong on my system. The CD uses rockridge format. I can mount and use CD from NeXT (upgrade discs, Third Party Products disc, etc.) with no problems. Has anyone out there gotten the Jana CD to work with a PLI drive? Does anyone out there have any suggestions as to what could be causing this? My system is very vanilla (meaning I haven't messed with the configuration at all) so I doubt that it's somethings I did, but you never know. :) Any help would be appreciated greatly. I've got 615 megs of stuff that I can't do anything with! HELP! Thanks in advance... Randy Vose Internet: rvose@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu University of Illinois rvose@cs.uiuc.edu Urbana/Champaignn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.infosystems.www From: bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) Subject: Re: sndplay & Mosaic on NeXT In-Reply-To: hal@alfred.econ.lsa.umich.edu's message of 9 Jan 1994 22:33:27 GMT Message-ID: <BHILL.94Jan14172840@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@physics.ucla.edu Organization: Dept. of Physics, UCLA References: <2gp4ic$767@ratatosk.uninett.no> <2gq0nn$chs@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Date: 15 Jan 1994 01:28:40 GMT > >I'm trying to use sndplay to run audio (.au) files retrieved by Mosaic > >(also mpleg_play) for mpeg files. None work. Both play the formats fine > >if the files originate on the Next but picking them off the net with > >Mosaic doesn't. Sndplay gives me a "3326 Memory fault" error message, > >mpeg_play says nothing. These are the relevant lines in my .mailcap > >file: > > Here's the hack I use. I create an executable file in /usr/local/bin called > showaudio that contains the lines: > mv $1 $1.snd > open $1.snd > I do the same sort of thing for Postscript, MPEG and GIF files. This > works just fine...but you've got to have an X emulator that doesn't > take over the whole screen. (I use coXist.) I don't think the last claim is true. I use Xfe.app, my mailcap contains audio/*; sndplay %s and sound works just fine. --Brian Hill
From: briggman@rock.concert.net (David B Briggman -- Personal Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Developer Conference hotels/roommate? Date: 16 Jan 1994 01:25:14 GMT Organization: CONCERT-Connect Public Access UNIX Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2ha51q$qqi@inxs.concert.net> References: <1994Jan15.221836.27971@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> I would suggest the Comfort Inn at Ballston Commons (IN ARLINGTON, VA), near the Orange Line of METRO (which will require that you transfer to the Red Line going North) but still only 15-25 minutes from the Sheraton) There is a toll-free 800 number for Comfort Inns I just don't happen to have it on me. (STAY AWAY FROM Northeast and Southeast DC) See you there! -- Advanced Business Systems A NeXTSTEP-only Reseller (919) 682-8553 [Voice] 19 Joci Court (919) 682-1126 [Fax] Durham, North Carolina 27704 ****EFFECTIVE 10 JANUARY 1994, PLEASE SEND EMAIL TO: info@absystems.com****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jlemon@netcom.com (Jonathan Lemon) Subject: Jana CD Message-ID: <jlemonCJpBwq.Bwo@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 02:50:49 GMT I was one of those who responded to an earlier post by JANA, offering to sell two CD-ROMS with NS software. They claimed that it was for both white & black hardware, and the price seemed cheap, so, why not? I got one CD (and an explanatory letter) the other day and have spent some time playing with it. (no problems with reading the disk under NS/I with a Toshiba 3401 drive). First impressions: - what the hell is a Linux directory doing on this disk? - if you have white hardware, you'll probably be disappointed; get used to seeing the Workspace Inspector say that the app does not contain the right kind of code for your machine. I'd estimate that 90% of all apps are black only. The ones that are MAB (or have an Intel version) are often demos, like Mesa, VirtSpace, or WetPaint. (Most which are on the 3rd party software disk that I got with 3.1 NS/I) - There is a directory that seems to contain all the RFCs, which is useful for me. However, a quick spot check seems to indicate that the few RFC's which are in .ps format are screwed up; Preview shows the graphics as a page of black, or complains about an invalid postscript header. - It seems that NeXT changed the loginwindow format; since none of the loginwindows come up correctly. In addition, the quite a few of the loginwindows in the 'color' directory are _not_ color, unless you count grey as a color. - the fonts directory seems nice, but there's no font previewer, so I'm going to have to scrounge up a copy from orst. I'm not about copy everything to my /LocalLibrary just to try them out. Then again, the disk is dated 05/93, so maybe I'm expecting too much. I'm tempted to simply send it back, but for $23.00, and the promise of a second disk, well, I figure that the collected RFC's (mistakes notwithstanding) are worth about that much to me. So I'll pay JANA and hope that the second disk has a better collection of apps. -- Jonathan
From: leland@ins.infonet.net (Leland D. Hosford, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, U.S.A.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Eastern Iowa Computer Fair Date: 16 Jan 1994 01:40:57 GMT Organization: INFOnet - Iowa Network Services, Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2ha5v9$4m1@insosf1.infonet.net> On Saturday March 5, 1994 the Commo-Hawk Computer Users Group of Cedar Rapids, Iowa will hold our eleventh (11) annual Eastern Iowa Computer Fair. We try to include all brands of computers and we invite other computer users groups to participate. Attendance has averaged around 1200 the last few years. We will be giving away a laser printer as a door prize; we are also hoping to receive other computer related items as donations to also be given away as door prizes, as we have in past years. That comes to one of the purposes of this posting. I'd very much request a reply from you for any of the following reasons: 1) If you know of a vendor of computer related products or a computer users group that would like to receive registration information for the fair, please send me the organization name, address, and a contact person. 2) If you know of a company which develops or sells computer related products that would be interested in either donating merchandise for use as door prizes, and/or in supplying catalogs or product literature for distribution to those attending the fair please send me the company name, address, and a contact person. 3) If you would like me to e-mail to you a PostScript file (139K) containing a poster for the Eastern Iowa Computer Fair (which includes a map of how to get to the fair) send me e-mail and let me know. 4) If you would like to attend the fair and need more information about when and where it is. You can reply or request more information any of the following ways: E-mail: leland@ins.infonet.net FAX: 319-363-7890 (anytime) Phone: 319-365-9627 (evening) Leland Hosford (please before 10:30 PM central) Phone: 319-393-5123 (evening) Greg Dengler (please before 10:30 PM central) Eastern Iowa Computer Fair: 8 AM - 6 PM Saturday March 5, 1994 at the IBEW Hall, 1211 Wiley Blvd. SW, Cedar Rapids, Iowa sponsored by the Commo-Hawk Computer Users Group of Cedar Rapids Thanks. Leland D. Hosford | I have enough trouble just explaining what's on my own leland@ins.infonet.net | mind. How could I presume to speak for anyone else? -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------- ?daeh ym no gnidnats m'I evorp uoy ot nwod-edispu raeppa I gnitressa seoD (-:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Message-ID: <1994Jan16.051746.4285@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <chC128G00iV141i6YS@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 05:17:46 GMT In article <chC128G00iV141i6YS@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Gzip (.gz) is free of such patent issues, and thus is 'safer' to use. Except that it attempts to maintain enough "compatibility" with compress to make it just as vulnerable. > Also, gzip >compresses and decompresses both faster and smaller than compress does, A popular misconception, provably FALSE (i.e. very much depends on the particular data you compress with it; in many cases it Just Plain Loses to compress--a fact gzip's maintainers now readily admit). >which makes it my preferred program. That's your choice. It's not mine. There are several different "competing" compression schemes "out there." What gzip has going for it is a whole bunch of rabid evangelists dutifully spouting marketing hype. It's not a "better" way--just a different one. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Douglas B. Moore Subject: Re: Good news from JANA Message-ID: <CJpB7C.GMp@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <CJnF8t.In0@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> Distribution: World Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 02:31:48 GMT In article <CJnF8t.In0@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> rvose@sparc19.cs.uiuc.edu (Randy Vose) writes: > Well, I'm not sure if this is a problem with the CD or not, but whenever > I mount mine in my CDROM (a PLI model) the CD shows up in the browser, but > whenever I click on the CD, no directories show up! (?) If I go to a > Terminal window and cd to the CD, ta-da! directories show up. BUT, > whenever I try to run something, I get a system panic and the whole machine > crashes. Is anyone else out there having similar trouble? I just upgraded > to 3.2 user a week ago, and haven't really done much since. I just left > mail to Jay to see what's up... I'll let you know what I hear back... > Works fine here... I received it today and have had no problems at all. -- --- Douglas Moore It's Here---NeXTdimension Turbo!!! 172 East Sixth Street #2106 St Paul, MN 55101 612-227-3274 dmoore@maroon.tc.umn.edu <---NeXTMail ready
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john.morgan@circles.com Subject: RE: GOOD NEWS FROM JANA Message-ID: <9401160043.A6987wk@circles.com> Distribution: world Date: Sun, 16 Jan 94 00:43:36 I received my CD from JANA on Jan 13th and it works good on NS 3.1.
From: andreas@dworkin.wustl.edu (Andreas D. Bovopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Suggestions on CR-ROM Reader for NeXTstation Message-ID: <62868@olympus.wustl.edu> Date: 16 Jan 94 07:02:54 GMT Sender: usenet@dworkin.wustl.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Chipcom Corporation Do you have any suggestions of CR-ROM readers which are not very expensive, would work on NeXTstation and are better that the ones that Next used to offer? Any information on this subject would be appreciated. Please send your suggestions to my e-mail address and I will post a summary. Thank you very much in advance Andreas Bovopoulos abovopou@chipcom.com with
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Music Kit & OCR. Message-ID: <1994Jan16.105049.20596@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <Jan.15.19.12.53.1994.26753@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 10:50:49 GMT In article <Jan.15.19.12.53.1994.26753@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > Im looking for some OCR software. Particularly something heavy duty, that > can work with a HP scanner with sheetfeeder, scanning in hundreds of pages. > OCR servent is terrific, but it seems to be geared towards low volume > scanning. Any pointers in the right direction will be apprecieated. Check out: eXTRAREAD, from Goldleaf; ExpressOCR, Visus; ElectroWorX, Insight. Goldleaf also sell scanner software, and Visus sells PaperSight; I suspect that ElectroWorX will cooperate with ElectroFile. You should be able to find something that does what you want. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: neef@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Michael Neef) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,de.comp.sys.next Subject: X.25 software needed Date: 16 Jan 1994 14:56:49 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Message-ID: <2hbkjh$gii@rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Hi, which X.25 software products are avaivable to connect a NeXT (black hardware, NextStep 3.2) to X.25 ? -- Thanks! -Micha Neef- neef@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Music Kit & OCR. Date: 16 Jan 1994 09:51:13 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401161552.AA21220@dcs.shef.ac.uk> The final release of MusicKit 4.0 was announced last Friday... Have fun, mmalcolm. Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 11:09:11 -0800 From: david@jaffe.com (David A. Jaffe) To: mkdist@ccrma.Stanford.EDU Subject: 4.0-final Music Kit The final release of the 4.0 Music Kit and DSP Tools Distribution for black hardware is now available via anonymous ftp. There have been a number of improvements from the Beta version, such as bug-fixes and improved documentation. The Distribution can be found at the ftp site "ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu" on the directory "ftp/pub/NeXT/MusicKit". The Installation Package contains the Music Kit and DSP Tools, ready to use. It is available in three forms: 1. "MusicKit_4.0.pkg.tar" is the standard 4.0 installation package. 2. "MusicKitUpdate_4.0.pkg.tar" is a much-smaller update package, containing only those files that have changed from the Beta version. Use this only if you are sure you already have the Beta version. 3. "Floppies/" contains the standard 4.0 installation package, but broken up into bite-size pieces for easy transfer. CONTENTS The following are included in the installation distribution: Music Kit applications ScorePlayer (plus example scorefiles) Ensemble (plus example midifiles and documents) WaveEdit Music Kit and DSP command line utilities Music Kit and DSP and Sound Utility programming examples Music Kit and DSP libraries and header files libsynthpatches, libunitgenerators, libmusickit, libdsp DSP run-time monitors Music Kit and DSP Tools Documentation Bug56 (Ariel's symbolic, window-oriented DSP degugger) Most users will only need the installation package as described above. If needed, however, (e.g. to fix bugs), the source code is also available in the package "MusicKitSource_4.0.pkg.tar." PACKAGE SIZES Type Pkg Size Size Installed ---- -------- -------------- Inst 9 MB 23 MB Upd 6 MB 11 MB Src 7 MB 19 MB
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 10:41:12 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ohCK0Mq00iUzI1bUV5@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jan16.051746.4285@csus.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 16-Jan-94 Re: GNU *.gz Utility by Eric P. Scott@futon.SFSU > Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >>Gzip (.gz) is free of such patent issues, and thus is 'safer' to use. > > Except that it attempts to maintain enough "compatibility" with > compress to make it just as vulnerable. Not relevant. The gzip algorithm (and therefore programs the {de}compress files in that format) is free of possible patent restrictions. If compress becomes a valid patented product tomorrow, you would legally have to pay to use the software to decompress your .Z files. If that happened, through, you could still use gzip legally to uncompress .gz files, even though it would be illegal to use gzip to uncompress .Z files. (BTW, gunzip will decompress gzip'ed, compress'ed, pack'ed, and zip'ed files.) >> Also, gzip compresses and decompresses both faster and smaller than >> compress does, > > A popular misconception, provably FALSE (i.e. very much depends > on the particular data you compress with it; in many cases it > Just Plain Loses to compress--a fact gzip's maintainers now > readily admit). Gunzip uncompresses a .gz file faster than uncompress extracts the equivalent .Z file in all of the cases I've tried. And while it is correct that no compression algorithm will work on every possible set of input data, gzip has averaged about 15% better compression than compress on the things I've used it for. Note that I use the -9 (maximal compression) flag all the time. If you did not, then you probably won't see nearly as much compression as you would with -9. Note that I have used some pretty standard things to test gzip on, like /usr/dict/words, source code, and things like unused apps (like NFSManager), so I don't think my results are very unusual. >>which makes it my preferred program. > That's your choice. It's not mine. Okay, great. > There are several different "competing" compression schemes "out > there." What gzip has going for it is a whole bunch of rabid > evangelists dutifully spouting marketing hype. It's not a > "better" way--just a different one. "Rabid evangelists," hmm? Nice phrase; I almost wonder if you've been taking notes from Mark Crispin's postings.... :-) Anyway, if you get your facts straight, it's easy enough to see that gzip is a "better" way. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*splat*! | 1. You can't fly. --------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
From: tom@druid.bo.open.de (Thomas Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Toshiba MK537FB with white hardware Date: 16 Jan 1994 11:45:06 +0100 Organization: News at druid Message-ID: <tom.758717011@druid> I have problems using a Toshiba MK537FB with Nextstep FIP (Adaptec 1542B). Fdisk can partition the harddisk, but /usr/etc/disk fails with the following output : NeXTSTEP partition base = 1050624 NeXTSTEP partition size = 1024000 disk name: TOSHIBA MK537FB 6261 disk type: fixed_rw_scsi Disk utility disk> init DESTROYS ALL EXISTING DISK DATA -- really initialize? y enter host name: druid enter disk label: toshiba writing disk label Boot block is "/usr/standalone/i386/boot", ok? y ...r/w returned -1; expected 32768 Write of boot block 0 failed ...r/w returned -1; expected 32768 Write of boot block 1 failed No boot blocks on disk The drive works well with MSDOS .... any ideas ??? Does anyone use a Toshiba MK537F without problems on white/black hardware ?? Thanx in advance, Tom
From: bruce@TotSysSoft.com (Bruce Gingery) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets FINALLY!!! Message-ID: <1994Jan16.150829.9142@ToTSySSoft.com> Date: 16 Jan 94 15:08:29 GMT Article-I.D.: ToTSySSo.1994Jan16.150829.9142 References: <murao.94Jan15213716@blueslab> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Distribution: comp Organization: Total System Software In article <murao.94Jan15213716@blueslab> murao@kobe-u.ac.jp writes: -> > In article <2h578r$abp@cedar.mr.net> infospan@infospan.com. (Max Tardiveau) -> > writes: -> > :When you Control-double-click on the Workspace icon, the hard drive does -> > :something for a couple of seconds, and then you get a ->-> beep (in NS/Moto 3.1, at :least). Anyone knows what ->-> that means ? -> > -> > Ummm... Just a guess. You are paging in the 'System -> > Beep'. This key/mouse sequence is not valid for -> >anything. -> -> I've just tried this sequence. After syncing hard drive -> and floppy drive, I got the panel with "You can safely -> remove the floppy disk now." message. Yes. I think this -> sequence is equal to "eject" item of Workspace menu. -> If there is no floppy disk mounted, this sequence cause -> only a beep. It ejects the CD-ROM here. I have the OD hard mounted at the moment so can't say if it'd eject both.... my guess is yes. Bruce Gingery bruce@TotSysSoft.com
From: bosborne@nature.Berkeley.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Summary:M2624 in NeXTStation Date: 16 Jan 1994 12:34:43 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: root@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9401161736.AA13228@nature.Berkeley.EDU.cnr-net> To the Group, Simply, there's no problem putting the Fujitsu M2624 (525) inside a NeXTStation, though it's considered a drive that runs hot. Thanks to : izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu(IzumiOhzawa) bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org(BillChin) StuartRitchie<sritchie@cs.ubc.ca> Dr.T.L. DerekCollison<derek@nosloc.com> caro@mv.us.adobe.com(PerryA. gtoews@sirius.uvic.ca(GregToews) RandyVose<rvose@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu MichaelBranton<moksha!mgb@bikini.cis.ufl.edu RandyVose<rvose@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> "DanPritts" danno@css.itd.umich.edu RolfWoehrmann<rolfhh!rolf@chemie.fu-berlin.de JosephHong<sxujjh@formosan.fnma.COM jozwiak@csrd.uiuc.edu(JohnMichael). If you'd like jumper details write me, Brian O. bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@amber.hasc.ca (Darcy Brockbank) Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Message-ID: <1994Jan16.174417.29214@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University References: <1994Jan16.051746.4285@csus.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 17:44:17 GMT In article <1994Jan16.051746.4285@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > In article <chC128G00iV141i6YS@andrew.cmu.edu> > Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > >Gzip (.gz) is free of such patent issues, and thus is 'safer' to use. > > Except that it attempts to maintain enough "compatibility" with > compress to make it just as vulnerable. > It was my understanding that the compression algorithm for "compress" is the problem. The decompression algorithm is not covered. Anyway, I might be wrong on this, but that was my understanding of the issues. - db -- But this one flack, speaking valiantly to the press in the moments after the Hindenburg of Canadian electoral crashes, was adamant that Canadians [...] had offered the Tories (get this) an "opportunity". An opportunity to feel stupid and unwanted? -- Montreal Mirror on the Tories losing 156 seats
From: kay@nagasena.muc.de (Kay Schulz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: driverLoader scandir error Date: 16 Jan 1994 19:38:31 +0100 Organization: Firestone Chaotic Group Message-ID: <2hc1j7$8v@nagasena.muc.de> Hi, I tried to install the Mux8 driver but I got problems with it. The problem is: I have a serial mouse on com1 and I wanted the MUX8 on COM2. But all we tried failed. No we installed the /usr/Devices from CDROM so that I can use the old drivers. at 9600 the serials work, but not with 19200 or above. But also I have the normal configuration as before (with Configure.APP) I get an error message during boottime. it looks like that: driverLoader:scandir (/usr/Devices/SerialPorts.config) error or something like this. My mouse and my modem work (if you can read this). What does the scnadir mean and where is the problem? What do I have to do to get the MUX8 working on COM2 and the normal serials for my mouse on COM1 ? Do I have to change the Instance0.table or the Default.table? I am not familiar with it. Can someone help? Thanks -- Kay Schulz kay@nagasena.muc.de NeXTmail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lturetsk@capstan.cis.yale.edu (Lenny Turetsky) Subject: SCSI Controllers Message-ID: <1994Jan16.191317.12501@news.yale.edu> Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Yale Univ. Science & Engineering Computing Facility, New Haven, CT 06520 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 19:13:17 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.next.hardware ] [ Author was Lenny Turetsky ] [ Posted on Sun, 16 Jan 1994 19:12:22 GMT ] Could someone please tell me which SCSI controllers are supported under NS/iP? I've read lots of stuff about which one's aren't, but ... ;). Please include a list of ISA, VESA, EISA and PCI (if any). I've only got a choice between ISA & VESA (EISA is too expensive and PCI is not really finished, in my eyes), but I'm sure others might be interested in other busses (bii? ;). Thanx, LT -- ___________________ ____ | _______________ | / /\ Lenny Turetsky | |XXXXXXXXXXXXX| | / / / e-mail: | |XXXXXXXXXXXXX| | / / / lturetsk@minerva.cis.yale.edu | |XXXXXXXXXXXXX| | / /_/________ | |XXXXXXXXXXXXX| | / /\ =========================== | |XXXXXXXXXXXXX| | /______ _____/ / |_________________| \_____/ /\____\/ "Man's ego is the fountain- _[_______]_ / / / head of all human progress" ___[___________]___ / / / -- Ayn Rand | [_____] []|__ / / / | [_____] []| \__ /___/ / L___________________J \ \___\/ ___________________ /\ /###################\ (__)
From: jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (David Jeske) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Erratic Mouse Click response Date: 17 Jan 1994 01:23:12 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2hcpa0$3jb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I have experienced erracic Mouse click responses under NS 3.2 on Intel. I'm using a Microsoft compatible serial mouse. Events are like 1) does not respond to a click until several clicks later (they get buffered somewhere and are not processed unless I click again) 2) noticable in Browsers such as the workspace, clicks seem to sometimes in strange places. (like a column too far right of the mouse pointer) has anyone else had problems like this? -- David Jeske(N9LCA)/CompEng Student at Univ of Ill at Cham-Urbana/NeXT Programmer CoCreator of the GTalk Chat Software System - online at (708)998-0008 Mail: jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu NeXTMail: jeske@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Re: ObjectWorld Boston Message-ID: <CJMMGr.64E@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. References: <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 15:46:02 GMT I really don't think so, we were one of the NeXTSTEP (OpenStep) third party partners exhibiting at Object World. Taligent was no-where to be seen, I severely doubt that much will happen with them. Industry support for vapor-ware (ie: remember ACE?) does not last very long. Every one we talked to was VERY VERY impressed with what NeXTSTEP/OpenStep bring to the table. I gave a demo of NS to a bunch of ParcPlace people, and they walked away dragging their jaws on the floor. NeXT's Distributed Objects are just one of the greatest things anyone has seen. With about 10 lines of code I did a demo that grabbed some data from a db sent it into GraphRight via it's Distributed Object interface and created an updating graph. This kind of integrated object support is just not available anywhere else. When the floor was nearly clear of people at the end of the EXPO the NeXT side of the SunSoft booth was *so crowded* you could not get to the machines. NeXT's technology was the most exiting thing on the Object World floor, Taligent was not to be seen. As far as industry support: Native NeXTSTEP: *Intel machines *HP-9000/700 series *Sun SPARC OpenStep / Solaris *Sun SPARC *Intel machines *PowerPC PDO's *Solaris *HP-UX *Data General AVION Sounds fairly complete to me... and this is only six months after the introduction of 3.1. The future looks very bright indeed! --- Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com Watershed Technologies, Inc. (508)-460-9612 Voice (508)-481-3955 Fax In article <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: Although Taligent will be much less mature than NS, it > will also be the exciting new technology that unlike NS will have the > support of big guns early on. > It's really a shame that NS wasn't a success early on so that it could > have evolved more rapidly. I fear that it will be considered old > technology after Taligent appears. Comments? -- Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com Watershed Technologies, Inc. (508)-460-9612 Voice
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) Subject: Re: ObjectWorld Boston Message-ID: <1994Jan16.233940.25694@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 23:39:40 GMT In article <2h3vdq$g70@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: > But even though HP and NeXT are partners in Object*Interprise, HP just > purchased a 15% stake of Taligent and has apparently agreed to support the > Taligent development environment along with IBM and Apple. My inmpression from reports I've read in the last six momths indicate that the Taligent project has been scaled back significantly. At first, Taligent was going to be a complete operating enviroment, with a new o/s, GUI, etc. More recently, I believe, Taligent's objective is to develop and sell objects that will work in other o/s environments. If this is the case (please correct me if my impression is wrong), then Taligent's products could work with future versions of NEXTSTEP. Taligent and NEXTSTEP would then be good for each other, regardless of the hardware vendor in question, Sun or H-P, etc. >So NEXTSTEP's window of opportunity > seems to be about to close without NEXTSTEP really establishing itself in > any significant way. I fear that Taligent's technology will leap-frog > over NEXTSTEP because NEXTSTEP hasn't really changed significantly since > its introduction in 1988, probably due to its lack of success and NeXT's > lack of resources. Although Taligent will be much less mature than NS, it > will also be the exciting new technology that unlike NS will have the > support of big guns early on. > It's really a shame that NS wasn't a success early on so that it could > have evolved more rapidly. I fear that it will be considered old > technology after Taligent appears. Comments? This all depends on *what* exactly Taligent is or is *supposed* to be. If Taligent is supposed to compete with NEXTSTEP, then the best case is that Taligent will draw attention away from Windows and NT towards object-oriented systems (Chicago could help in a similar manner). This is sure to happen, to some extent, and that's good for NEXTSTEP. Competition is always good (let the best one win --there is no reason to have a religious alliance toward a collection of bits and bytes). If, on the other hand, Taligent is a set of portable objects, then NEXTSTEP will also be assisted, through the addition of another force promoting object-oriented computing. Take care, Phil -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 17 Jan 1994 02:04:20 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2hdd9k$kid@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. 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From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Date: 17 Jan 1994 13:06:30 GMT Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Message-ID: <2he2gm$2sf@mercury.dur.ac.uk> References: <2grotq$qvf@bmerha64.bnr.ca> <1994Jan12.142138.981@qb.rhein-main.de> <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> <2h3t21$5ik@mercury.dur.ac.uk> <1994Jan14.062722.27946@csus.edu> Eric P. Scott (eps@futon.SFSU.EDU) wrote: : So, um, if I were, like, a commercial developer ... could I hire : you to purchase my competitors' products? :-) : I think your "unique talents" are marketable! The really scarry bit is that my talents are not limited to computers, but to Authors as well. I got a sudden urge to read everything Heinlein ever wrote, as much as I could get ahold of, a few days after I finish what I thought was his last book (Grumbles from the Grave not included) he dies. A few years later I get this sudden urge to read everything by Asimov, the day after I finish I hear the headlines..... Now, where *DID* I put that Bill Gates Autobiography... (just kiddin' Bill). Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: erwin@dutnak2.tn.tudelft.nl (Erwin Giling) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <erwin.758811599@dutnak2> Sender: news@news.tudelft.nl (UseNet News System) Organization: Delft University of Technology References: <9401141205.AA15668@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 12:59:59 GMT In <9401141205.AA15668@dcs.shef.ac.uk> M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) writes: > * <Alternate> click on the NeXT icon of the dock to send the dock to a >window level behind everything else. <Alternate> click to bring it >back. Try this when running the Cub'X X-window server in 'Inside Nextstep' mode... 'Behind everything else' in this case also means 'behind the X root window'. No way to get the dock back without killing X!! :-) Erwin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Message-ID: <CJs007.4Av@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: <1994Jan16.051746.4285@csus.edu> <1994Jan16.174417.29214@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 13:26:30 GMT On a more mundane issue relating to GNU *.gz -- Now that I have installed NS3.2 and have the version of gunzip which can handle *.gz files, where can I get a version of opener.app which can handle the *.gz files? Thanks in advance for any helpful hints. --Tim -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcenmp.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Message-ID: <1994Jan17.125213.6640@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1994Jan16.174417.29214@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 12:52:13 GMT In article <1994Jan16.174417.29214@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@amber.hasc.ca (Darcy Brockbank) writes: > In article <1994Jan16.051746.4285@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) > writes: > > In article <chC128G00iV141i6YS@andrew.cmu.edu> > > Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > > >Gzip (.gz) is free of such patent issues, and thus is 'safer' to use. > > > > Except that it attempts to maintain enough "compatibility" with > > compress to make it just as vulnerable. > > > > > It was my understanding that the compression algorithm for > "compress" is the problem. The decompression algorithm is not > covered. > > Anyway, I might be wrong on this, but that was my understanding > of the issues. Mine, too. The patent covers the specific way the compression is done. A discussion of this specific issue can be found in the gzip source code distribution. BTW, compression is a much more challenging problem than decompression. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) What is the difference between Jurassic Park and Microsoft? One is an over-rated high tech theme park based on prehistoric information and populated mostly by dinosaurs, the other is a Steven Spielberg movie. (stolen from usenet)
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Date: 17 Jan 1994 14:57:38 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2he912$7kd@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <ohCK0Mq00iUzI1bUV5@andrew.cmu.edu> >> Gunzip uncompresses a .gz file faster than uncompress extracts the >> equivalent .Z file in all of the cases I've tried. And while it is Really? I wrote the extraction part of gzip, and even I didn't know that. I thought that uncompress was faster. Now I think I'll run some tests myself. gzip compression at the default or -9 settings is slower than compress, but the -1 setting is faster and often compresses better than compress. By the way, I have new inflate code that's about 50% faster that will end up in future release of gzip. >> compression) flag all the time. If you did not, then you probably won't >> see nearly as much compression as you would with -9. Actually, I don't think that's true. I also use -9 out of habit, but I've never seen a case where -9 did more than a percent or three better than the default (-6 I think). However, on highly redundant files, -9 can be a lot slower than the default. By the way, it is conceivable that just having the code to un-lzw in gzip could turn out to be illegal. However, this hasn't come to court yet, so who knows how it would turn out. It's not clear even if decompression is covered by the patents. mark
From: js@hnv_15 (Juergen Sell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Good news from JANA Date: 17 Jan 1994 12:44:05 GMT Organization: ICEM Systems Message-ID: <2he16l$o5@vampir.hnv.icem.de> References: <2h5mnp$sec@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <CJnF8t.In0@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> Hi, I did receive one of the two promised CDs as well. Unfortunately, the Sounds are in an unknown ormat, something called csound (?) is needed to play them. Any hints ? Too bad some of the demos no longer work for invalid license keys. Juergen -- _ _ Juergen Sell E-Mail juergen.sell@icem.de ' | (_ Icem Systems ( NeXTMail welcome ) ,| _) Deisterstr. 18 Fax ++49-511-440617 (_| BRD 30449 Hannover Fon ++49-511-440688
From: mhatfiel@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Michael Hatfield) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SLIP for NS/Intel... Date: 17 Jan 1994 10:11:21 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Message-ID: <2he9qp$8va@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> I've been trying to find a valid SLIP implementation for NS/Intel for some time, and all I've found is SLIP for NeXT machines, no such luck for Intel. I'm trying to access my school's Internet hookup directly through NeXT, as right nowI have to use the DOS side of things, and then copy the files over to the NeXT side, which can be a real pain, what with the longer filenames and such. Plus a graphical interface would be a big improvement for ftp and such. I have gatorftp486, but no SLIP. Any suggestions would be appreciated... email to mhatfiel@csugrad.cs.vt.edu, thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Colours and Apps Message-ID: <1994Jan17.171820.11427@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 17:18:20 GMT In article <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >Hi, > >since using my "new" used NeXT Colour-Station I've got a problem using >colours. > >Using Pantone-Colours, the NeXT colour panel represents the real colour in >a correct way. For example, the NeXT colour panel displays Pantone 355 (a >very dark and blue green) correctly as very dark and "blue". But if I like >to fill an object on the "working screen" of any App (like Virtuoso), this >Pantone 355 changes to another green - the working-screen shows something >like Pantone 333 (a very light green without any blue). >Printing the whole job (on a NeXT colour printer) will print-out the >correct colour(s) - so I think it's just a problem of the way, how the >colours are shown within an App. > >Does anybody know: Is there any way to callibrate just the working space >oft the App (favourite: Virtuoso) without changing the callibration of the >NeXT colour panel? > >Thanks in advance > >- Borris - > >P.S.: Please excuse my bad English - it isn't my native language. >P.P.S.: For readers of de.comp.sys.next: You might answer in German >language using p-mail >- B - >-- > >borris@boba.rhein-main.de ist: Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 >D-60596 Frankfurt am Main - Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324 The problem is there because the NEXTSTEP Pantone colors have an RGB screen representation that is tied to a CMYK representation. The workaround is to use the CMYK data to define the color in Virtuoso for a given Pantone color. This will only work in NS 3.1+, because there was a bug in NS 3 that converted the RGB directly to CMYK. Try this: Pick a Pantone color (a green or blue for best results) Go to the CMYK Color picker and look at the values there. Go to the RGB picker and edit a number in one of the three fields (make the same number, what you are doing is changing it from a Pantone to an RGB (the color won't change) THEN go to the CMYK picker and note the changes... To make Pantone work in NS 3.1+ and Virtuoso 1, change one of the CMYK numbers to itself (changing the definition from Pantone to CMYK) and your OUTPUT will look right (but not the screen) Needless to say, this is all fixed in Virtuoso 2! Questions? Call me... -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 12:56:51 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <QhCh5Xa00WBNQ2vIlf@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2he912$7kd@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 17-Jan-94 Re: GNU *.gz Utility by Mark Adler@cco.caltech.e > >> Gunzip uncompresses a .gz file faster than uncompress extracts the > >> equivalent .Z file in all of the cases I've tried. And while it is > > Really? I wrote the extraction part of gzip, and even I didn't know > that. I thought that uncompress was faster. Now I think I'll run some > tests myself. Gunzip seems to work about 10% faster than uncompress on the same .Z file, and perhaps a little better (around 15%) for .gz files than uncompress for the equivalent .Z file. (This is a rough estimation, BTW, and may be due to the fact that gzip tends to make smaller .gz files and therefore requires less I/O to uncompress than because gunzip is a 'better' algorithm, whatever that means in this context.... :-) > gzip compression at the default or -9 settings is slower than compress, > but the -1 setting is faster and often compresses better than compress. Yes, that seems to be the case on my machine as well. > By the way, I have new inflate code that's about 50% faster that will > end up in future release of gzip. Cool. > >> compression) flag all the time. If you did not, then you probably won't > >> see nearly as much compression as you would with -9. > > Actually, I don't think that's true. I also use -9 out of habit, but > I've never seen a case where -9 did more than a percent or three better > than the default (-6 I think). However, on highly redundant files, -9 > can be a lot slower than the default. -9 is definitely much slower, but that may be acceptable for long-term archives to save those last percentage points of space. Gzip saves about 6% on /usr/dict/web2 between the default and -9, but takes almost 3 times as long to do so. (I'll let other people run more tests if they like.) -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*splat*! | 1. You can't fly. --------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: timothy@netcom.com Subject: Where O Where Has Boss Logic Inc. Gone? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <netnewsCJsCr4.7y1@netcom.com> Sender: netnews@netcom.com (USENET Administration) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 17:55:05 GMT Does anyone have a phone number for Boss Logic? Thanks, Tim Miller
Message-ID: <fx%@byu.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:27:41 MST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Good news from JANA References: <2h5mnp$sec@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <CJnF8t.In0@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> <2he16l$o5@vampir.hnv.icem.de> Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM From: feijai@kolob (Sean Luke) In article <2he16l$o5@vampir.hnv.icem.de> js@hnv_15 (Juergen Sell) writes: >Hi, >I did receive one of the two promised CDs as well. >Unfortunately, the Sounds are in an unknown ormat, >something called csound (?) is needed to play them. cSound is a sound synthesis and music research package that is used extensively by computer music faculty and artists around the world. It's quite nice, though I prefer the NeXT MusicKit myself. This basically means that the sound files you're seeing aren't really sound files, but are cSound files of some sort that happen to have the same extension. cSound is available for the NeXT, but I'd guess it'd be a bit Byzantine for most people to use. Sean Luke sean@digaudio.byu.edu -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean Luke MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail, MIME OK --------------------------------------------------------------------
Message-ID: <gx%@byu.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:31:11 MST Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets References: <9401141205.AA15668@dcs.shef.ac.uk> <778@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: sean@digaudio.byu.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Disorganization From: feijai@kolob (Sean Luke) In article <778@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene) writes: >Hm, I thought power-users were allowed to log out without being questioned >about it - now where's that #%&%^&^%# Preference entry that governs the >appearance of the 'Do you really want to log out ?' panel ? Hey, consider yerself lucky. Multics required users to type in a password to log _out_ of a terminal. Sean Luke sean@digaudio.byu.edu -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean Luke MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail, MIME OK --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: steve@tarski.math.nd.edu (Steven Buechler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problems mounting JANA CD ROM... Date: 17 Jan 1994 15:09:17 GMT Organization: University of Notre Dame Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2he9mt$1lh@news.nd.edu> References: <CJoMAB.Mvt@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> In article <CJoMAB.Mvt@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu> rvose@sparc19.cs.uiuc.edu (Randy Vose) writes: > I received my CD ROM from Jana yesterday and am having considerable > difficulty with it. The CD is the one from the NeXTWorld Expo. > > I have a NeXTstation Color (non-turbo) running NS 3.2 with a PLI CD-ROM > drive. Whenever I place the disc in the drive, the filesystem mounts > in the root directory as JANA_0593. When I click on the CD icon, no files > or directories show up in the broswer. It appears as if the CD has nothing > on it. > > Has anyone out there gotten the Jana CD to work with a PLI drive? Does > anyone out there have any suggestions as to what could be causing this? > My system is very vanilla (meaning I haven't messed with the configuration > at all) so I doubt that it's somethings I did, but you never know. :) > > Any help would be appreciated greatly. I've got 615 megs of stuff that I > can't do anything with! HELP! > > Thanks in advance... > > > Randy Vose Internet: rvose@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu > University of Illinois rvose@cs.uiuc.edu > Urbana/Champaignn > I, too am running 3.2 on black hardware and have the same trouble. The CDs from NeXT mount and open as expected, as does the ElectronicAppwrapper CD. However, the JANA CD as well as (!!) my newly purchased CD for Cub'XWindows do NOT open. The CD mounts OK but when I double click I get nothing. I'd be very interested to know if these CDs were made with a slightly different format. I'd also welcome suggestions for a patch. I don't like buying products I can't use. BTW I am using an Eclipse CDROM which I've never had any trouble with. Thanks in advance, Steve -- ____________________________________ Steven Buechler Department of Mathematics Mail Distribution Center University of Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN 46556
From: clarence@orion.cc.andrews.edu (Clarence L. Thomas IV) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon Date: 17 Jan 1994 19:43:29 -0500 Organization: Andrews University, Berrien Springs, MI, 49104 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hfbbh$9jv@orion.cc.andrews.edu> The earthquake in Los Angeles, California, the flood in Europe, the seemingly unstoppable war in the former Yugoslavia, the devastating fires in Australia, the flood in the Midwest of the United States of America, the devastating fires near Los Angeles, California, the rapid and appalling increase in violence in cities, towns, villages all over the world, the famines, the diseases, the rapid decline of the family unit, and the destructive earthquake in India (in 1993) are signs that this world's history is coming to a climax. The human race has trampled on God's Constitution, as given in Exodus 20:1-17 (King James Version Bible), and Jesus is coming to set things right. These rapidly accelerating signs are an indication that Jesus is coming soon (Matthew 24). God's Holy Spirit is gradually withdrawing its protection from the earth and the devastating events you see are demonstrations of Satan's power. All those who are not guarded by God are in danger of forever losing eternal life. If you want to know what's about to happen, please study the books of Daniel and Revelation which are located in God's Word, the Bible. They are not sealed or closed books. They can and must be understood by all. Every word in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation is true. The Bible and the Bible only must be your guide. When God's Law (the Constitution for the Universe) is consistently ignored, disregarded, changed, and questioned, He permits certain events to occur to wake us up. I would urge all, wherever you are and regardless of the circumstances, to directly call on Jesus and ask Him to intervene in your life. Jesus who created this planet and every living creature in it and on it, died on the cross, was raised from the dead by God the Father, and is now in Heaven interceding for you. Jesus is the only One who can rescue us from the slavery, misery, and death Satan is causing us. For reference I'm including God's Constitution as given in the King James Version Bible. Please note that when God says the seventh day, he means Sabbath (the 7th day of the week) not Sunday (1st day of the week). Commandment #1: Exodus 20:1-3 (KJV) And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Commandment #2: Exodus 20:4-6 (KJV) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Commandment #3: Exodus 20:7 (KJV) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Commandment #4: Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Commandment #5: Exodus 20:12 (KJV) Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Commandment #6: Exodus 20:13 (KJV) Thou shalt not kill. Commandment #7: Exodus 20:14 (KJV) Thou shalt not commit adultery. Commandment #8: Exodus 20:15 (KJV) Thou shalt not steal. Commandment #9: Exodus 20:16 (KJV) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Commandment #10: Exodus 20:17 (KJV) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. I also recommend that the following books be obtained and closely studied: The Great Controversy By Ellen G. White Review and Herald Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 The Desire of the Ages By Ellen G. White Review and Herald Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 Patriarchs and Prophets By Ellen G. White Review and Hearld Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 Daniel and the Revelation By Uriah Smith Review and Herald Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 ------- Clarence L. Thomas IV Phone: 616-471-6116 E-mail: thomas@redwood.cc.andrews.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Message-ID: <1994Jan18.031529.11310@rbc.uucp> Organization: Huh? References: <1994Jan16.051746.4285@csus.edu> <1994Jan16.174417.29214@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <CJs007.4Av@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 03:15:29 GMT >can I get a version of opener.app which can handle the *.gz files? You need to add the .gz extensions to Opener.table and Opener.iconheader, then re-link. (type "make") I added .gz and a few others, like .txz (what MS-DOS utilities use for .tar.Z), .tgz, (.tar.gz), .atz (.tar.Z on some unix CD-roms) and a few others. Also, I changed the command for .Z and family so that it will preserve permissions, so double clicking on a compressed executable runs it. I also added a compress-in-place. one for .Z and one for .gz. All this in these two files!! Here they are: ----------------------- #! /bin/sh # This is a shell archive, meaning: # 1. Remove everything above the #! /bin/sh line. # 2. Save the resulting text in a file. # 3. Execute the file with /bin/sh (not csh) to create the files: # Opener.table # Opener.iconheader # This archive created: Mon Jan 17 22:06:16 1994 export PATH; PATH=/bin:$PATH if test -f 'Opener.table' then echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'Opener.table'" else cat << \SHAR_EOF > 'Opener.table' # # These suffix/command pairs tell Opener how to unpack archive files. # Some abbreviations in the command are expanded before execution: # unpack: ... => mkdir $t; cd $t; ... # $f => the current filename # $t => the temporary filename; if $f = /a/b/c.suff, $t is /tmp/O_c # $p/... => look for ... in the internal directory; # e.g., $p/unsit => /LocalApps/Opener.app/unsit # You can edit the following commands (for example, to use new # or different archivers). To add new filetypes, look at # Opener.app/README.rtfd, or in Controller.m # Unpack: .tar unpack: tar xf $f .at unpack: tar xf $f .atz gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; tar xf -) .taz gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; tar xf -) .tgz gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; tar xf -) .txz gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; tar xf -) .tar.Z gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; tar xf -) .tar.gz gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; tar xf -) .tar.z gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; tar xf -) .tar-z gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; tar xf -) .shar unpack: sed '1,/[^:\#]/d' $f | /bin/sh .shar.gz gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; sed '1,/[^:\#]/d' | /bin/sh) .shar.z gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; sed '1,/[^:\#]/d' | /bin/sh) .shar.Z gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; sed '1,/[^:\#]/d' | /bin/sh) .shar-z gunzip < $f | (mkdir $t; cd $t; sed '1,/[^:\#]/d' | /bin/sh) .uu unpack: uudecode $f; open * .lzh unpack: $p/xlharc xf $f >> /tmp/opener.log .arc unpack: $p/arc ox $f >> /tmp/opener.log .sit unpack: $p/unsit -u $f >> /tmp/opener.log .bin unpack: $p/unsit -u $f >> /tmp/opener.log .hqx unpack: ($p/mcvert -ux $f ; $p/unsit -u *.[Ss][Ii][Tt].*) 2>> /tmp/opener.log .zip unpack: $p/unzip -o $f >> /tmp/opener.log .zoo unpack: zoo x// $f >> /tmp/opener.log .Z cp $f $t.Z; gunzip -n $t .gz cp $f $t.gz; gunzip -n $t .z cp $f $t.gz; gunzip -n $t -Z cp $f $t.Z; gunzip -n $t -z cp $f $t.gz; gunzip -n $t # These commands create archive files. The semantics are as above, but: # $d => the deepest directory path (e.g., /a/b/{c,d,e} => /a/b) # $f => the filenames, less the $d prefix portion. # $F => the filenames # $t => the tmp file, /tmp/O_..., where ... => first file in $f. # $p/... => look for ... in the internal directory; # e.g., $p/unsit => /LocalApps/Opener.app/unsit # In general, the archiving command will look like: # (cd $d; ... $f > $t; echo $t done) # Pack: .tar (cd $d; tar cf - $f > $t; echo $t done) .tar.Z (cd $d; tar cf - $f | compress > $t; echo $t done) .tar.gz (cd $d; tar cf - $f | gzip > $t; echo $t done) .shar (cd $d; shar $f > $t; echo $t done) .shar.Z (cd $d; shar $f | compress > $t; echo $t done) .shar.gz (cd $d; shar $f | gzip > $t; echo $t done) .uu (cd $d; uuencode $f $f > $t; echo $t done) .lzh (cd $d; $p/xlharc c $t $f >> /tmp/opener.log; echo $t done) .arc (cd $d; $p/arc a $t $f >> /tmp/opener.log; echo $t done) .zip (cd $d; $p/zip $t $f >> /tmp/opener.log; echo $t done) .Z (cd $d; compress < $f > $t; echo $t done) .gz (cd $d; gzip < $f > $t; echo $t done) (Z) (cd $d; compress $f; echo $f in place done) (gz) (cd $d; gzip $f; echo $f in place done) SHAR_EOF fi # end of overwriting check if test -f 'Opener.iconheader' then echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'Opener.iconheader'" else cat << \SHAR_EOF > 'Opener.iconheader' F Opener Opener app S tar Opener tar S TAR Opener tar S at Opener tar S atz Opener tar S taz Opener tar S tgz Opener tar S txz Opener tar S Txz Opener tar S TXZ Opener tar S tar.Z Opener tar S tar.gz Opener tar S tar.z Opener tar S TAR.Z Opener tar S tar-z Opener tar S tar-Z Opener tar S TAR-Z Opener tar S shar Opener shar S SHAR Opener shar S shar.z Opener shar S shar.gz Opener shar S shar.Z Opener shar S SHAR.Z Opener shar S shar-z Opener shar S shar-Z Opener shar S SHAR-Z Opener shar S PS Opener PS S EPS Opener PS S PS.Z Opener PS S EPS.Z Opener PS S ps.Z Opener PS S eps.Z Opener PS S PS-Z Opener PS S EPS-Z Opener PS S ps-z Opener PS S eps-z Opener PS S arc Opener arc S Arc Opener arc S ARC Opener arc S bin Opener bin S Bin Opener bin S BIN Opener bin S lzh Opener lzh S LZH Opener lzh S Lzh Opener lzh S hqx Opener hqx S Hqx Opener hqx S HQX Opener hqx S sit Opener sit S Sit Opener sit S SIT Opener sit S uu Opener uu S UU Opener uu S zip Opener zip S Zip Opener zip S ZIP Opener zip S zoo Opener zoo S Zoo Opener zoo S ZOO Opener zoo S gz Opener Z S z Opener Z S Z Opener Z SHAR_EOF fi # end of overwriting check # End of shell archive exit 0
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Colours and Apps Date: 18 Jan 1994 08:17:31 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2hg5ur$60v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> <1994Jan17.171820.11427@altsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: >In article <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> >borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: [...Boris has problem with Pantone colors in Virtuoso..] >The problem is there because the NEXTSTEP Pantone colors have an RGB >screen representation that is tied to a CMYK representation. The >workaround is to use the CMYK data to define the color in Virtuoso for >a given Pantone color. This will only work in NS 3.1+, because there >was a bug in NS 3 that converted the RGB directly to CMYK. Try this: [...workaround deleted...] No! The problem is that Virtuoso converts all colors to CMYK internally without asking, from the screen representation and using the (wrong) formula CMYK = 1 - RGB, instead of relying on the AppKit's Pantone and calibrated color handling, which JUST WORKS (TM). Marcel
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From: jnicolas@whistler.mit.edu (Julien Nicolas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Digital Librarian indexing: why does DL search index then files? Date: 18 Jan 1994 15:43:51 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <JNICOLAS.94Jan18104351@whistler.mit.edu> DL seems to work differently depending on whether it is searching the NeXT supplied docs (NeXT Developer, NextAdmin etc) or user-created docs. In the first case, searching for a word in the content is fast, and only the .index.store seems to be accessed. In the case of user-indexed docs, it seems that the .index.store gets searched (results are displayed quickly) but DL goes on to check the directory (displaying in rapid succession the names of the files in grey just over the search textfield). This can take quite a long time. Why the difference? jn
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu(Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Date: 18 Jan 1994 16:01:51 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C., USA Message-ID: <2hh15f$mnl@news.duke.edu> References: <1994Jan18.031529.11310@rbc.uucp> Al Davis writes > >can I get a version of opener.app which can handle the *.gz files? > > You need to add the .gz extensions to Opener.table and Opener.iconheader, > then re-link. (type "make") Actually the current version of Opener (3.1.1) on the archives already handles *.gz files; no "make"ing necessary. It's at cs.orst.edu in /pub/next/binaries/util. Denise
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "J. Shan Bell" <bellj@cs.indiana.edu> Subject: Indexing under 3.2 - FAST! Message-ID: <1994Jan18.122236.14268@news.cs.indiana.edu> Keywords: DigitalLibrarian, Indexing, 3.2 Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 12:22:31 -0500 The change in Indexing protocols was a real downer. But it appears to be a big win. I just upgraded to 3.2 from 3.0 and I've noticed (subjectively) a 3 fold increase in DL's performance. Just one more thing to look forward to for those who haven't upgraded yet. -- ________________________________________________________________ // Internet / J. Shan Bell \ BITNET \\ // bellj@indiana.edu //////|||||||||\\\\\\\ bellj@iubacs.bitnet \\ //_____________________// NeXT mail accepted \\_____________________\\
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dhinz@dread (David Hinz) Subject: More info on running Stealth? Message-ID: <CJtzoJ.2HD@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> Summary: Running stealth on 3.2 Keywords: Stealth Sender: news@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (IT Netnews) Organization: US WEST Information Technologies Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 15:14:43 GMT Looking for more info from the person that said that they have Stealth (from NeXTstep 2.x) running on NeXTstep 3.2. I've tried to run it but get errors and the app shutsdown. David Hinz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Colours and Apps Message-ID: <1994Jan18.154958.26040@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> <1994Jan17.171820.11427@altsys.com> <2hg5ur$60v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 15:49:58 GMT In article <2hg5ur$60v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) writes: >lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: > >>In article <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> >>borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: > >[...Boris has problem with Pantone colors in Virtuoso..] > >>The problem is there because the NEXTSTEP Pantone colors have an RGB >>screen representation that is tied to a CMYK representation. The >>workaround is to use the CMYK data to define the color in Virtuoso for >>a given Pantone color. This will only work in NS 3.1+, because there >>was a bug in NS 3 that converted the RGB directly to CMYK. Try this: > >[...workaround deleted...] > >No! > >The problem is that Virtuoso converts all colors to CMYK internally >without asking, from the screen representation and using the (wrong) >formula CMYK = 1 - RGB, instead of relying on the AppKit's Pantone >and calibrated color handling, which JUST WORKS (TM). > >Marcel Marcel, I'm sorry, but what you're saying isn't exactly true. We do an internal conversion to CMYK, but don't use the CMYK = 1 - RGB to do it. At any rate, the work around I describedf WILL WORK and give acceptable output. No it is not device independent color, no it does not use the AppKit. It does, however give you tha ability to do color separations to any PostScript device. Virtuoso 2 handles the Pantone issue better (tho not to Marcel's standards). The AppKit provides nothing for color separations (if you wonder if that's so, look at any NEXTSTEP only graohics and layout package and see how they handle process and spot color...) Don't be dismayed, Virtuoso actually does a pretty good job and generates better seps than Quark XPress... Yours, -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: deininge@cen.encompass.com (David Deininger) Subject: converting .snd to .wav Message-ID: <1994Jan18.184732.28049@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 18:47:32 GMT Are there any utilities out on the net for converting NeXT .snd files to .wav files for a PC? I browsed the archives but obviously don't know exactly what I'm looking for. --david deininger
From: philipp@res.enst.fr (Philippe-Andre Prindeville) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mosaic on NeXTs Date: 18 Jan 1994 17:56:48 GMT Organization: Ecole Nationale Superieure des Telecommunications, Paris FRANCE Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hh7t0$t38@enst.enst.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forgive my ignorance and the fact that I probably should have archie'd this, but... is there a native (ie. non-X11) version of Mosaic for NeXTStep? Thanks, -Philip
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Colours and Apps Message-ID: <1994Jan18.213456.23748@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> <1994Jan17.171820.11427@altsys.com> <2hg5ur$60v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 21:34:56 GMT In article <2hg5ur$60v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) writes: >>lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: >> >>>In article <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> >>>borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >> >>[...Boris has problem with Pantone colors in Virtuoso..] >> >>>The problem is there because the NEXTSTEP Pantone colors have an RGB >>>screen representation that is tied to a CMYK representation. The >>>workaround is to use the CMYK data to define the color in Virtuoso for >>>a given Pantone color. This will only work in NS 3.1+, because there >>>was a bug in NS 3 that converted the RGB directly to CMYK. Try this: >> >>[...workaround deleted...] >> >>No! >> >>The problem is that Virtuoso converts all colors to CMYK internally >>without asking, from the screen representation and using the (wrong) >>formula CMYK = 1 - RGB, instead of relying on the AppKit's Pantone >>and calibrated color handling, which JUST WORKS (TM). >> >>Marcel To be fair, Virtuoso 1.0 has always said that it was a 2.1 app (like PasteUp and a few other things). Pantone colors are a 3.0 thing, and I'm sure people running 2.1 are happy that Virtuoso has Pantone. I've used Virtuoso a fair amount, mainly because I get a lot of artwork as FreeHand files, and Virtuoso is a great app. This is the only bug I've had with the program, and given it's 1.0 status, I find that amazing. It's also not like there's not workarounds, painful though they might be for some docs that have most of their colors specified with Pantone colors. As long as Virtuoso 1.1 comes out soon, I'm a happy user. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) --> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office)
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mosaic on NeXTs Date: 18 Jan 1994 22:23:29 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hhnh1$gs@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <2hh7t0$t38@enst.enst.fr> In article <2hh7t0$t38@enst.enst.fr> philipp@res.enst.fr (Philippe-Andre Prindeville) writes: > Forgive my ignorance and the fact that I probably should have > archie'd this, but... is there a native (ie. non-X11) version > of Mosaic for NeXTStep? > > Thanks, > No, but one is allegedly in the works---some folks at CERN are said to be working on upgrading WWW.app to work with inline images, etc. Mosiac works fine under X-windows (such as coXist). I uploaded the binaries to cs.orst.edu. If you want a terminal HTTP browser, lynx compiles just fine, but my favorite is w3.el, an emacs-based browser. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: trapac@netcom.com (Transpacific Container) Subject: DBKit whats it worth? Message-ID: <trapacCJu9GC.Fsw@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 18:45:48 GMT When we discussed using DBKit with developers, some expressed reservations about using it. I now see why, as we have some real performance problems related to it. Last NeXTWorld, NeXT indicated they were putting a lot of development effort into DBKit. Unfortunately they gave no idea when we would see any benefit from it. Any comments on: 1) Whether or not to use DBKit? 2) Which of any DBkit objects are worth using (considering the possibilty of NeXT rewriting DBkit)? 3) Are there any good 3rd party products to replace DBKit? Looks like effective database app development is more involved than it originally appeared. Thanks, Keith Carpenter trapac@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: manenber@ibis.ccmail.com Subject: Re: Where O Where Has Boss Logic Inc. Gone? Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <manenber.94Jan1895346@ibis.ccmail.com> Sender: news@ccmail.com Organization: cc:Mail, A Division of Lotus References: <netnewsCJsCr4.7y1@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Distribution: na Date: 18 Jan 94 09:53:46 >Does anyone have a phone number for Boss Logic? > >Thanks, >Tim Miller Sorry to say we went out of business. To make a very long story short, the technology/source code was sold to two different companies, during the summer of '93. If you want more specific info, you can email me or if there is sufficient interest, I can post more detail on the demise. Mark Anenberg ex: Project Manager/ Boss Logic,Inc. manenber@ibis.ccmail.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbhinz@znih (David Hinz) Subject: More info on running Stealth? Message-ID: <1994Jan15.232039.2100@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: dbhinz@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 23:20:39 GMT I'm looking for more information on how to run the Stealth.app that was originally part of the 2.2 release of NeXTstep. Someone posted to one of the Next newsgroups that Stealth would run under 3.2. I __acquired__ a copy of Stealth but all I get when I try to run it is: Jan 15 15:59:13 znih Stealth[2069]: An uncaught exception was raised Jan 15 15:59:13 znih Stealth[2069]: DPS client library error: PostScript program error, DPSContext 2ece4 Has anyone else tried to run Stealth? Would the original poster please reply so that I can try to get this running. David Hinz dbhinz@znih.rmnug.org dhinz@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <1994Jan16.052636.498@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <1994Jan15.072032.7925@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 05:26:36 GMT In article <1994Jan15.072032.7925@cc.usu.edu> slwdz@cc.usu.edu writes: > Alt-clicking on the arrow buttons of a scroll view will scroll > the display by a screen at a time. Yeah, I wish there was a way to do this without reaching for the key board. I think WriteNow got it write the the scroll and screen up/down buttons. Scrolling a page at a time should be a pure mouse action, IMHO. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Date: 19 Jan 1994 01:03:16 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <2hi0sk$2sa@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <1994Jan15.072032.7925@cc.usu.edu> <1994Jan16.052636.498@nugget.rmnug.org> Raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) wrote... >In article <1994Jan15.072032.7925@cc.usu.edu> slwdz@cc.usu.edu writes: >> Alt-clicking on the arrow buttons of a scroll view will scroll >> the display by a screen at a time. > >Yeah, I wish there was a way to do this without reaching for the key >board. I think WriteNow got it write the the scroll and screen up/down >buttons. Scrolling a page at a time should be a pure mouse action, IMHO. Truth be told, I wish they supported it BOTH ways. I find it invaluable to be able to page up and down in Stuart without having to reach for the mouse! A really great GUI will let you do just about everything with the mouse, but'll also give you keyboard shortcuts for those people who know the system well enough that the mouse slows them down. Joe P.S.: I still think NS has the best GUI around, but it still leaves room for improvement. -- __________ | NeXTMail? We can do NeXTMail!!! | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | This patient has hyperwhosiwawah. Prepare for gobble `---- | degoogoo surgery. Hand me the nanu-whatchamadosits.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: manenber@ibis.ccmail.com Subject: Re: Where O Where Has Boss Logic Inc. Gone?, the Story Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <manenber.94Jan18155325@ibis.ccmail.com> Sender: news@ccmail.com Organization: cc:Mail, A Division of Lotus References: <netnewsCJsCr4.7y1@netcom.com> <manenber.94Jan1895346@ibis.ccmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Distribution: na Date: 18 Jan 94 15:53:25 >> >>Does anyone have a phone number for Boss Logic? >> >>Thanks, >>Tim Miller >> >Sorry to say we went out of business. To make a very long story short, >the technology/source code was sold to two different companies, during the summer of '93. >If you want more specific info, you can email me or if there is sufficient interest, I can post >more detail on the demise. > >Mark Anenberg >ex: Project Manager/ Boss Logic,Inc. >manenber@ibis.ccmail.com Due to the response I have decided to post. The following is a summary of the rise and decline of Boss Logic. The opinions enclosed here are my opinions and are based on my observations as an employee of Boss. I have intentionally left out names of specific parties so as not to slander or demean the character of those people. a warning to those thinking of starting a new business; I know I learned quite a bit in those two years. I joined Boss Logic in June of '91. I was the tenth employee; there were 5 of us in California and 5 in Fairfield, Iowa, where the company started. The company had been around for about a year experimenting with different technologies, trying to determine just what this document management beast really was all about. Early in '91 they found NeXT, established an office in CA and in Minneapolis and began working on what was to become DocumentManager 1.0. The company was still headquarted in Iowa at this time. In January of '92, a new CEO was hired; someone with business savy who could take the company public; the founder was still part of the company as Chairman. The CEO had a bigger vision of what document management meant and the sense to know that a product line based only on NeXT was a very small market(at the time). He succeeded over the next year of expanding the company to about 32 people, including a sales and marketing team. The CA office became the headquarters of Boss Logic. The new prod uct line vision was based on NeXT and MS-Windows client apps, mated with NeXT, SunOS ,Solaris and Novell servers. The MSWin app and Novell server combination was clearly designed to hit the big home run for the company. With this strategy the CEO was able to get venture funding from a local VC firm and from Frame Technology(as investor and technology partner). The product was pretty much redone from scratch for DocumentManager 2.0. The first sign that this was a "real" business now came in mid '92; when the management of the company decided to trim its forces; a group of engineers working on a database toolkit was let go. The rational being that we should have been developing our own tool kits when there were others on the market that could be purchased. At the same time; the minneapolis team was forced into becoming a spin-off company of their own. Plans were to ship the first release of the MS-Windows version of DocumentManager in January of 1993. Perhaps this was the beginning of the end. Early in '93, March I think, Frame Technology did a strange thing; I an incredible power play; they forced Boss Logic to get rid of their Sales and Marketing force, abandone the NeXT and Novell related development. Since Frame was a major investor, Boss could not refuse. They idea supposedly was that since we were technology partners with them, we would be using Frame's marketing and sales force and channels and therefore did not need one of our own. Frame even asked the CEO of Boss to step down; leaving only the original founder as management. This move closed down the CA office, leaving only myself working as a satellite engineer working remotely with what was left of the team in Iowa. Frame apparently started playing the field in Document Management companies; trying to find one that worked best for them. One of the companies that Frame had acquired was assigned the task of sorting these companies out. We had agreement to go alpha with the Windows product in April '93. Much to our suprise when we got there; were told by this company that the alpha was not up to snuff and that they didn't want it. In fact it did meet the definition of an alpha product and this was yet another political move. Frame then pulled out all financing , dropped us. Our other VC funder also pulled out, leaving the company with about a weeks worth of salary in the bank. At this, the Windows development team and a host of other employees were let go. A skeleton crew of about 6 were asked to stay on. Later we were to find out that Frame had changed their strategy and pulled out of the DocumentManagement nitche market altogether. For the remainder of the summer of '93; the founder trying to drum up deals with companies that might have been interested in the NeXT or Windows product. The source code and the rights to change and remarket the product were sold to two companies. The MS-Windows application and the Sun server code was sold to Uniplex Ltd. in the UK; who I think were trying to add it to their line of office automation products. The NeXT and Sun Server code were sold to Bozell in Texas. A few of us worked on contract with these companies to aid in the transfer of the technology. Despite, the influx of money to Boss for the technology, there were alot of disgruntled employees that never saw an ounce of the money and never even got back vacation pay. The last I heard was in Sept/Oct of '93 when the founder was apparently trying to liquidate the companies assets in Iowa and close it down. Mark Anenberg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Message-ID: <CJruHF.9B@zoodle.robin.de> Sender: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Organization: meow!!! References: <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 11:27:14 GMT Paul Marcos writes > Well, I've heard enough posts to put my $0.02 in. I'm the person who > originally did all the collection for the CD. The way it all happened > was like this. This guy in Canada contacted me and wanted to know if I'd [...long sad story about Jay Janarthanan deleted] Well, guess what I received today - no, not a CD, but an invoice. I've never seen an invoice with the letters INVOICE in 64pt, but now I have :-/. Anyhow, how does Jay (who still seems to be very involved in Jana Publishing) come to the idea that I have to pay anything? I already paid for a two years subscription (poor, silly me), and so I somehow don't 'understand' how he dares to send me this. Oh yes, I definitely know that Jay has got my money, since this is the second invoice I received from him - after the first he excused and told me 'Received your payment'. No, I'm not going to pump more money into this. Even though he writes on the invoice: "Dear Sir, The above invoice [79.95 $ - even though I took the 100 $ two years offer] still remains unpaid by you. When I started shipping the CD-ROM's you promised me that you will pay once you get the CDs. But unfortunately I have not received a payment so far. So please pay me. This is a one man company and your small payments means a lot to me. If you think this is a mistake please contact me [I did so]." I have to repeat Volker's pleading: "Could someone please beat them up for me ;-)?" though I probably would remove the smiley. Ciao, Uli P.S.: Reconsidering I also don't like the way my subscription started - I emailed Jay for more info and instead of info I received the first CD together with the offers to subscribe. Why was I so silly to do so? ARGH! -- Will quote Douglas Adams for food - David Dixon Will feed Douglas Adams for quotes - Alex Gibbs
From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dumb question. (C++ and NeXT cc) Date: 19 Jan 1994 02:04:00 GMT Organization: Computer Science Undergrad Assoc, UCBerkeley Message-ID: <2hi4eg$9vj@agate.berkeley.edu> Am I missing something frightfully obvious here. I'm trying to learn how to use C++, and I'm using NeXTstep Developer 3.2. What am I missing??? The code... #include <iostream.h> int main(){ cout << "Hello world" << '\n'; return 0; } When I try to compile it... [inferno] cc foo.cc ld: Undefined symbols: _cout ___ls__7ostreamPCc ___ls__7ostreamc [inferno] -- Nick Weaver| If I could draw like the artist, |nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu I would sit, and draw things that could never be. If I could write like the poet, I would sit, and write of things that never were.
From: djs16@po.CWRU.Edu (Donald J. Siegel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! Netinfo Problem! Date: 19 Jan 1994 04:04:50 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <2hibh2$m21@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Well, I've just completed my upgrade to NS3.2 Moto, and I've run across some problems trying to get my system network-ready again. Here's what happened: 1. used the automatic upgrade plan after backing-up most of the config files in /etc. 2. after upgrade I find that I can't telnet out of my machine. Apparently there's some sort of netinfo problem. That is, the boot messages report a 'netinfo communication failure.' Indeed, I can't even use niload to, say, add a hosts file. 3. so, for lack of a better thing to do, I disconnect my computer from the network and follow the directions in the sysadmin manual on how to build a fresh netinfo database. That is, I replace the /etc/hostconfig file and the files in /etc/netinfo/local.nidb. 4. next, I reboot the system and start up Simple Net. Starter and choose the option for a standalone system. I go through the procedures of adding my university-assigned ip address, hostname, netmask, broadcast address, etc. Finally, I attach my computer to the net and build the connection. 5. so, next I reboot and get the SAME netinfo errors. Now I'm confused! How can this be so? So, essentially, I'm stuck...eventhough I know I have all the info I need to perform the set-up properly (my domain name has been added to /etc/resolv.conf along with the ip addresses of the school's two name servers, I'm using the same sendmail.cf as before, etc...). My goal is to have my simple stand-alone NeXT functioning on my school's network as it was before... Oh, btw, my system was originally set-up to function, supposedly, independent of netinfo. That is, before the upgrade to 3.2 the system should have relied solely on flatfile data (although I recall seeing boot-time errors about problems locating the parent netinfo server) could my system's previous configuration have any effect on the problems now present? Well, anyhow, thanks in advance for the help. I can provide more info if necessary... later, don...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <Neil@bMD.com> Subject: Re: DBKit whats it worth? Message-ID: <1994Jan19.041927.20953@bMD.com> Sender: neil@bMD.com (Neil Greene) Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. (Lex., KY) References: <trapacCJu9GC.Fsw@netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 04:19:27 GMT In article <trapacCJu9GC.Fsw@netcom.com> trapac@netcom.com (Transpacific Container) writes: > When we discussed using DBKit with developers, some expressed reservations > about using it. I now see why, as we have some real performance problems > related to it. > > Last NeXTWorld, NeXT indicated they were putting a lot of development effort > into DBKit. Unfortunately they gave no idea when we would see any benefit > from it. > > Any comments on: > 1) Whether or not to use DBKit? > 2) Which of any DBkit objects are worth using (considering the > possibilty of NeXT rewriting DBkit)? > 3) Are there any good 3rd party products to replace DBKit? You are correct. There are plenty of database development tools available that are better then NeXT's DBKit. They don't necessarily provide you with some of the goodies from NS, but they are well designed at database development. Personally, I am liking what I see from PSI's Espresso! Developer. It is a 4GL that has a selection of 8 objects that extend NeXT's DBKit objects. It makes development a lot easier then worry about some of the hooks NeXT has left out. There is still a lot I would like to see from both products though. Oddly enough, I have heard alot about the new work and development of DBKit, but so much of it is hush hush. Other then rumors, I can't find out what, if anything, is being done to DBKit. This has been going on for some time now. I guess like many others, I will be rudely awakened one day with some new version of DBKit that doesn't work with your existing code. Neil Greene --------------- benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] 2040 Regency Road, Suite C Lexington, KY 40503 Mix Phone/Fax: 606-231-6599 / Fax: 606-254-4864 Email: Neil@bMD.com [NeXTmail] -- Sincerely, Neil Greene
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: seeking text to speech converter Message-ID: <CJtCy1.M1o@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <2h4pt4$k4s@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 07:03:36 GMT In article <2h4pt4$k4s@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> nando@ccrma.stanford.edu writes: >Hi all! > >A new potential user of our computers is visually impaired. >Is anybody out there aware of any speech to text tool that >might be used to give access to the computer? Any experience >is this situation will be extremely helpful. > >Thanks in advance! >-- Fernando >nando@ccrma.stanford.edu There's the Trillium Sound Research TextToSpeech Kit. It runs on black hardware right now and an enhanced version is planned for the white hardware in mid 1994. Email trillium@trillium.ab.ca for more details (or phone 1-800-L-ORATOR (1-800-567-2867). david -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@trillium.ab.ca | (Albert Einstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: BANG?? Message-ID: <CJtxx1.AMD@chemelex.com> Sender: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation Distribution: ba Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 14:36:36 GMT Anyone know what happened to the Bay Area Next User's Group? Email to the group's address is bouncing and I'd like to attend the meetings. I had attended a few meetings in '93 and found them extremely useful and informative. -- Fred Schenkelberg fms@chemelex.com -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$U,S9<='@S,#<R7'1X-#8P.%QT M>#8Q-#1<='@W-C@P7'1X.3(Q-EQT>#$P-S4R7'1X,3(R.#A<='@Q,S@R-%QT M>#$U,S8P7&8P7&(P7&DP7'5L;F]N95QF<S,R7&9C,%QC9C`@06YY;VYE(&MN M;W<@=VAA="!H87!P96YE9"!T;R!T:&4@0F%Y($%R96$@3F5X="!5<V5R)W,@ M1W)O=7`_($5M86EL('1O('1H92!G<F]U<"=S(&%D9')E<W,@:7,@8F]U;F-I M;F<@86YD($DG9"!L:6ME('1O(&%T=&5N9"!T:&4@;65E=&EN9W,N($D@:&%D M(&%T=&5N9&5D(&$@9F5W(&UE971I;F=S(&EN("<Y,R!A;F0@9F]U;F0@=&AE M;2!E>'1R96UE;'D@=7-E9G5L(&%N9"!I;F9O<FUA=&EV92Y<"EP*+2U<"D9R D960@4V-H96YK96QB97)G7`IF;7-`8VAE;65L97@N8V]M"GT* ` -- Fred Schenkelberg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: prz@zurich.ibm.com () Subject: Zyxel Fax/Voice Software ? Message-ID: <CJvHJ9.2zEC@hawnews.watson.ibm.com> Sender: news@hawnews.watson.ibm.com (NNTP News Poster) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 10:37:57 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Organization: IBM Zurich Research Lab, Zurich/Switzerland hello, just installing a zyxel ..2Eplus and looking for software to let it run as fax server & answering machine. I suppose this is FAQ but I scanned purdue and couldn't find anything. Anyone to give me a hint to commercial/PD soft ? tony nt to commercial/PD soft ? tony ,
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Digital Librarian indexing: why does DL search index then files? Date: 19 Jan 1994 06:51:12 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401191251.AA02837@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Here we go again... Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 23:36:07 GMT From: malc (To: comp-sys-next-programmer@cs.utexas.edu) To: comp-sys-next-programmer@cs.utexas.edu Subject: Librarian bug? Man page topics don't show up Cc: roland@gomidas.mi.org, annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl Reply-To: malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk Sorry this is a bit "chatty", it's from a newsletter I'm putting together, but it might help... " Under NEXTSTEP 3.2 Digital Librarian (DL) exhibits some counter-intuitive behaviour. If you index a direcory using DL and then search on that indexed target, DL first uses the index to perform the familiar fast find we all know and love, but then it continues to search the contents of all the files within the target as if no index were present. The reason for this was explained by Matt Watson (Matt_Watson@NeXT.com): You have to index with ixbuild -s (at least) if you want "static" indexes. (DL doesn't do this if you use the target inspector to index). Otherwise, DL thinks that the source may have changed, so after it searches the index, it goes through all the source files... This behaviour is counter-intuitive, so I've filed a bug against it. To work around this "bug" you therefore have to index targets from the Unix command-line. To do this: open a Terminal window, and type cd targetDirectoryName where targetDirectoryName is the full pathname of the directory you would like to index (as a shortcut you can simply type cd and then drag the folder icon for the target directory into the Terminal window: this will "type in" the pathname for you). If you have previously created an index, you should remove it, either by typing /bin/rm .index.store or by using Workspace as normal. To index, type ixbuild -fgsv -LEnglish . (note the final "."). This will now create the index for you. " -- note also the -g option; from the man pages: -g Generate descriptions automatically from file contents. this will show the topics in Librarian. I hope this helps, Have fun, mmalcolm. --- SHeffield Auditory Group | Vox : (+44) 742 768555 ext 5569 Dept. Computer Science | direct : 825569 Sheffield University | Fax : (+44) 742 780972 Regent Court | Email: malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk 211 Portobello Street | (NeXTMail welcome) Sheffield S1 4DP, UK. | (Read-Receipts discouraged :-)
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Colours and Apps Date: 19 Jan 1994 13:09:49 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2hjbet$2n4@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1994Jan10.162348.1896@boba.rhein-main.de> <1994Jan17.171820.11427@altsys.com> <2hg5ur$60v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <1994Jan18.154958.26040@altsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: >I'm sorry, but what you're saying isn't exactly true. We do an >internal conversion to CMYK, but don't use the CMYK = 1 - RGB to do >it. Hmmm, so how come when I select an RGB spot color, the CMY values are EXACTLY 1-RGB when I look at the resultung EPS/PS? OK, I get it, you probably never looked at the RGB values but believed the fairy-tale CMYK values NeXT was giving you. (Well, actually: perfectly accurate, device-dependent CMYK values for the NeXT monitor :-) So your own conversion routines (which I have heard praised for images) never got to see the spot color RGB values. So I guess it's not guilt by silliness but guilt by believing somebody else's silliness (and believing that CMYK colors are device-indepedent...) Apologies, Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de Subject: Re: Zyxel Fax/Voice Software ? Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Message-ID: <CJvstK.50q@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 14:41:43 GMT References: <CJvHJ9.2zEC@hawnews.watson.ibm.com> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen > hello, just installing a zyxel ..2Eplus and looking for software to > let it run as fax server & answering machine. I suppose this is FAQ > but I scanned purdue and couldn't find anything. Anyone to give me > a hint to commercial/PD soft ? There is software out on the ftp-sites called AM AM is a answering machine which can handle incoming voice, data and fax-calls properly. Outgoing modem calls like UUCP,SL/IP,tip,cu, etc. no problem. The only thing not supported is fax-sending - but am works with NXFax.1.03. So just ftp from the best-sorted NeXT-site : ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de /pub/comp/platforms/next/Communication/programs/am.1.00.s.tar.gz --- so long - jolly ======================================================= Jolly alias Patrick Stein = jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de Tel: ++49 +89 -211 06 70 (priv) +89 -950 57 34 love: @echo UmuwzG niCtB. Kwzm lCuxml. | tr I-Za-zA-H A-Za-z - imakefile =======================================================
From: keith@starburst.umd.edu (Keith Norris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Question about shells Date: 19 Jan 1994 14:46:43 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Message-ID: <2hjh4j$7e4@gamera.umd.edu> Does NeXTstep also support or run the Bourne, C, and Korn shells or just solely the Torn C shell? ************************************************************************** * Keith L. Norris | keith@starburst.umd.edu * * Frostburg State University | c2mxnorr@fre.fsu.umd.edu * * * * !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! * * ! DETERMINED TO LEARN - NO GIVING UP WHERE I'M FROM ! * * !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! * * * **************************************************************************
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John "Kzin" Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: converting .snd to .wav Message-ID: <132689@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 19 Jan 94 12:26:43 GMT References: <1994Jan18.184732.28049@glv.uucp> Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU deininge@cen.encompass.com (David Deininger) writes: >Are there any utilities out on the net for converting NeXT .snd files to .wav >files for a PC? I browsed the archives but obviously don't know exactly what >I'm looking for. > --david deininger For that matter, can you convert .wav files to .snd files? there are some cool .wav files (star wars sounds and stuff) I'd like to use under nextstep.. John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.============== "Discussing whether or not computers can think is about as interesting as discussing whether or not submarines can swim." -- Dijkstra
From: eseymour@next.com (Eric Seymour) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dead? 3.0 Mail app help needed Date: 17 Jan 1994 15:40:16 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2hebh0$egg@rosie.next.com> References: <2h9k8u$37j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <2h9k8u$37j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu (John B. Friedman) writes: > Netters, could I get some advice? I had a freeze the other day when my > modem clicked off in midst of transmitting mail and cursor kept whirling. > 3.0 Mail was not active then though had been working fine just 10 minutes > before. I used Halt, rebooted, got a message there had been a disk > segment error now fixed. Clicked on Mail app in dock. It would highlight > for a second or two and then quit and take me back to Workspace menu. I > tried to pull app out of dock and replace with Mail app from Next apps. > Same thing. I logged in as root and replaced the app. I got the mail to > open there but there was no mail in it, just "welcome new user" message. > The modem is definitely passing mail and seems OK. It is just that the > mail menu won't come up and the window open when mail icon clicked . Any > thoughts on where to begin, what kind of error message to look for if any > would be most appreciated. Thanks very much. John Friedman -- Basic things you can try... 1.) Remove the table_of_contents file and relaunch Mail.app. Mail.app will reparse the mbox file and create a new table_of_contents. rm ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox/table_of_contents 2.) Move Active.mbox to a new name and relaunch Mail.app. This will create a new Active.mbox. The problem here is that any old mail will be left in the renamed mailbox. Eric Seymour
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Date: 19 Jan 1994 16:28:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hjn45$bf5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Jan16.052636.498@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> In article <1994Jan16.052636.498@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) writes: > In article <1994Jan15.072032.7925@cc.usu.edu> slwdz@cc.usu.edu writes: > > Alt-clicking on the arrow buttons of a scroll view will scroll > > the display by a screen at a time. > > Yeah, I wish there was a way to do this without reaching for the key > board. I think WriteNow got it write the the scroll and screen up/down > buttons. Scrolling a page at a time should be a pure mouse action, IMHO. Reaching for the keyboard is easier than reaching for the mouse. IMHO, in non-editable text, the space bar and the backspace key should always be available for page scrolling. The page up and page down keys should also be supported. Makes reading news, documentation, long mail etc. a lot easier. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: crawford@nesteggs.com (Michael E. Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Jinx, dead authors & Global Alerts of DOOM Date: 19 Jan 1994 11:17:30 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401191652.AA01354@nesteggs.com> Holy moley! Scott, I hope you're not reading your scripture or else Nietzsche may turn out to be right after all! Michael (#import sarcastic smiley) >Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> wrote: >The really scary bit is that my talents are not limited to >computers, but to Authors as well. ....reads Heinlein, Heinlein dies; reads Asimov, Asimov dies... >Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: demo@testppp.demon.co.uk (George Shaw) Subject: NeXT World EXPO Organization: Genesis Project Ltd Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 17:46:48 +0000 Message-ID: <759001608snz@testppp.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Could anyone post or direct me to details of the NeXT World EXPO 1994. (Dates, Contacts etc.) Thanks Paddy Campbell -- Genesis Project Ltd 10 Malone Road Belfast BT9 5BN +44-232-681919
From: dekorte@ibm19.scri.fsu.edu (Stephen L. DeKorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MessageCenter app problem Date: 19 Jan 1994 18:57:29 GMT Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute Message-ID: <2hjvqp$3o4@mailer.fsu.edu> I've just gotten a Hayes ISDN Extender for my home NeXTstation and tried to run the MessageCenter app in: /NextDeveloper/Examples/Appkit/MessageCenter When I recieve a call, it picks up the phone and instead of playing the greating message, it plays a burst of static of the same length,and then records the message. I've tried using different greeting messages, but this doesn't help. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Is it a problem with the extender or the messageCenter app? Also, I'm using the analog(POTS) line connection. Thanks for any help, Steve Ps. Please respond by email.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: laurent@planon.qc.ca (Laurent Daudelin) Subject: Re: More info on running Stealth? Message-ID: <1994Jan19.165052.2572@planon.qc.ca> Sender: laurent@planon.qc.ca References: <CJtzoJ.2HD@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 16:50:52 GMT In article <CJtzoJ.2HD@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> dhinz@dread (David Hinz) writes: > > Looking for more info from the person that said that they have Stealth > (from NeXTstep 2.x) running on NeXTstep 3.2. I've tried to run it but get errors > and the app shutsdown. > > > David Hinz > I'm not the person who said that, but now, I can say that Stealth runs very well on my NeXTstation Turbo running 3.2. Hope this helps. Laurent. -- ****************************************************************************** Laurent Daudelin, Software Engineer Planon TELEXPERTISE Inc., Boucherville, Quebec, CANADA laurent@planon.qc.ca <-- NeXTMail welcome! (Mac Mail welcome too!)
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John "Kzin" Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Message-ID: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 19 Jan 94 19:47:20 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology I'm curious what you have to do to get rid of NEXTSTEP boot manager on NS/Intel. I changed my active partion to another partition..but I still get the NS boot manager. I'm planning to install OS/2 soon, and I'll actually be moving the entire NS partition to anohter drive (reinstalling). I hope that I don't have to reformat the entire drive just to get rid of the boot manager. (I plan to use OS/2's boot manager, or anohter boot manager.. preferably one that waits for me to respond, instead of always passing me bye if I don't.. or at least one that I can configure) Anyways, Help would be appreciated. John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.============== "Discussing whether or not computers can think is about as interesting as discussing whether or not submarines can swim." -- Dijkstra
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <CJw7JK.9MM@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: <1994Jan16.052636.498@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <2hjn45$bf5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 19:59:42 GMT While we are wishing for GUI realted features, how about adding the ability to expand a window to its max vertical size by double clicking the title bar -- as per Sun OpenLook. Should be easy to add and would be greatly appreciated, by me at least :-). Also, Why not modify the standard Print Pannel to work the way it now does with Terminal and Stuart; i.e., in addition to "print all" allow for "print visible" and "print select". If we can "cut and paset" why can't we "cut and print"? --Tim -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcenmp.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: uk02728@mik.uky.edu (nolan w whitaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP Vendors? Date: 19 Jan 94 21:27:12 GMT Organization: University of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Message-ID: <uk02728.759014832@mik.uky.edu> This is probably a FAQ, so I apologize in advance... Where can I purchase a copy of NeXTSTEP by mail? who has the lowest price? and is there an "academic" or "student" discount available? Thanks, Nolan
From: spb@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Steven Berry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Date: 19 Jan 1994 21:53:08 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <2hka44$6fs@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> John "Kzin" Rudd (gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote: : I'm curious what you have to do to get rid of NEXTSTEP boot manager : on NS/Intel. I changed my active partion to another partition..but : I still get the NS boot manager. I found (accidently and to my displeasure) that if you reinstall or upgrade DOS it trashes the section of your hard disk's boot sector that has NeXTBoot on it. Other than that use a boot sector editor like norton disk edit and trash it manually. The system just ignores it and starts normally after this . . no NeXTBoot.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Subject: Re: BANG?? In-Reply-To: fms@chemelex .com's message of Tue, 18 Jan 1994 14:36:36 GMT Message-ID: <SPETERS.94Jan19121758@samsun.us.oracle.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corporation., Redwood City, CA, USA References: <CJtxx1.AMD@chemelex.com> Distribution: ba Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 20:17:57 GMT at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article <CJtxx1.AMD@chemelex.com> fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) writes: > Anyone know what happened to the Bay Area Next User's Group? Email to > the group's address is bouncing and I'd like to attend the meetings. > I had attended a few meetings in '93 and found them extremely useful > and informative. Same here. I haven't seen a meeting announcement in ages.. Stephen Peters
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <CJwE5J.IHI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <CJw7JK.9MM@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 22:22:30 GMT In article <CJw7JK.9MM@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: > Also, Why not modify the standard Print Pannel to work the way it now > does with Terminal and Stuart; i.e., in addition to "print all" allow > for "print visible" and "print select". If we can "cut and paset" > why can't we "cut and print"? This isn't a modification of the GUI, as much as it is a modification of most all of the apps out there, right? I just always sort of thought that Terminal was sending a message along with the print request to the print object that said allow these various options. Is this not correct? My thoughts may be naive or uninformed, but hey, they're mine! :) Cheers - Jon
From: burns@nova.bellcore.com (James E. Burns) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question. (C++ and NeXT cc) Message-ID: <BURNS.94Jan19174430@wildcat.nova.bellcore.com> Date: 19 Jan 94 22:44:30 GMT References: <2hi4eg$9vj@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communication Research In-Reply-To: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu's message of 19 Jan 1994 02:04:00 GMT Check out /NextDeveloper/Source/GNU/libg++ If you retry your compilation with c++ foo.cc -lg++ all should be well. jim burns -- James E. Burns burns@nova.bellcore.com Bellcore, NVC-3X114 Off: (908) 758-2819 331 Newman Springs Road Fax: (908) 758-4371 Red Bank, NJ 07701-5699, USA Home: (908) 219-6561
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Date: 19 Jan 1994 23:08:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2hkehu$pig@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> <2hka44$6fs@pith.uoregon.edu> In article <2hka44$6fs@pith.uoregon.edu>, Steven Berry <spb@darkwing.uoregon.edu> wrote: >John "Kzin" Rudd (gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote: >I found (accidently and to my displeasure) that if you reinstall or upgrade >DOS it trashes the section of your hard disk's boot sector that has >NeXTBoot on it. Other than that use a boot sector editor like norton >disk edit and trash it manually. Probably not the best way to go about it. > The system just ignores it and starts >normally after this . . no NeXTBoot. Boot a DOS diskette, 5.0+. Type "fdisk /MBR." Reboot. It ought to be extinguished. -- New .signature under development. Start your development now! Beat the crowd!
From: bill@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Date: 19 Jan 1994 15:02:56 -0800 Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program Message-ID: <2hke70$iud@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu> References: <1994Jan10.153911.14163@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> <2h8m1t$beo@nigel.msen.com> >I have to agree! A trivial increase in performance does not justify >the confusion and annoyance this has created. Perhaps Next should have just aliased compress to gzip and uncompress to gunzip, just as "cc" is an older version of gcc. The only big confusion was having to switch from .z to .gz Other than that, it's just another compression algorithm (tm). How long did it take you to learn what .hqx, .jpg & .Z stood for? -- Bill Eldridge bill@cognet.ucla.edu "Will hack life for food" 310-206-3960 (3987 fax) ..................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rob@brewster.demon.co.uk (Rob Heyes) Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager References: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> <2hka44$6fs@pith.uoregon.edu> Organization: Kallisti Systems Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 23:16:20 +0000 Message-ID: <759046580snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <2hka44$6fs@pith.uoregon.edu> spb@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Steven Berry) writes: > John "Kzin" Rudd (gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote: > > : I'm curious what you have to do to get rid of NEXTSTEP boot manager > : on NS/Intel. I changed my active partion to another partition..but > : I still get the NS boot manager. > > I found (accidently and to my displeasure) that if you reinstall or upgrade > DOS it trashes the section of your hard disk's boot sector that has > NeXTBoot on it. Other than that use a boot sector editor like norton > disk edit and trash it manually. The system just ignores it and starts > normally after this . . no NeXTBoot. This applies only to DOS 6.0 and above I believe. DOS 5 shouldn't do it. If you have DOS 5.00 you should be able to get rid of the NS boot manager with 'fdisk /mbr'. There's probably a way to do it with the NS 'disk' command. Rob Heyes
From: mishelle@thoughtful.com (Mishelle Baun) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HyperSense at NEXTSTEP East Coast Developer Conference Date: 19 Jan 1994 18:38:15 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401200008.AA00230@thoughtful.com> Dear Friends and Colleagues, Thoughtful Software cordially invites you to view HyperSense at the NEXTSTEP East Coast Developer Conference in Washington D.C., January 25 - 26 at the Sheraton Washington Hotel. We will be in the Annapolis and Rockville rooms, as part of the Association of NEXTSTEP Developers International (ANDI) Hospitality suite (from 10:30am-5:30pm on Tuesday and Wednesday -- see ANDI announcement forwarded below). If you will be attending the conference, or in the area, please stop by and say hello! I would love to have a chance to meet you personally, and show you what HyperSense can do and why we think it's a tool that every NEXTSTEP user can benefit from. Regards, Doug Simons Thoughtful Software doug@thoughtful.com About HyperSense in brief: HyperSense is powerful authoring software that makes sense! HyperSense easily lets anyone create multimedia databases, hypertext tutorials, personal applications and much more. A drag and drop interface makes document creation easy. Understandable SenseTalk scripts provide the power and versatility to master complex tasks, and allow you to import and modify HyperCard stacks. For more information on HyperSense, contact: info@thoughtful.com Begin forwarded message: ------------------- From: marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org (Marketing Director) Subject: Yes there are "exhibits" at the East Coast Developers Conference Keywords: ANDI,NeXT,ECDC,exhibits Reply-To: marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org (Marketing Director) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 1994 14:17:04 GMT ANDI - The Association of NeXTSTEP (and soon Openstep) Developers International, Inc. is pleased to announce that we have exhibits at the East Coast Developers Conference. A significant number of people have said they thought there were no exhibits at the event which is inaccurate. In the program they are listed as Hospitality... ..so join us and we be hospitable. We will be open: January 25 and 26 and are located in the Annapolis and Rockville rooms at the Sheraton Washington Hotel in Washington, DC. The hotel is conveniently located at the Woodley Park Metro stop (Metro is the light rail line) on the Red Line. In addition, we will be distributing the NEXTSTEP Resource Guide by ANDI. We hope to see you there! --- Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International, Inc. reply to:marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org "Take the NeXTSTEP and Keep on Truckin'..." ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! Date: 20 Jan 1994 01:14:24 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2hkltg$i37@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <CJruHF.9B@zoodle.robin.de> In article <CJruHF.9B@zoodle.robin.de> uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) writes: > P.S.: Reconsidering I also don't like the way my subscription started - I > emailed Jay for more info and instead of info I received the first CD > together with the offers to subscribe. Why was I so silly to do so? ARGH! When I first saw the Jana disks offered I emailed for more data and also got the first CD in reply, but with a bill for the remainder of the one year subscription. I emailed and mentioned that I did not recall actually agreeing to buy anything. There was a brief exchange of email and I finally agreed to go ahead and pay for the subscription as I already had the first disk and could get some use out of such a subscription. I should have stuck to my guns and refused to pay the bill (and kept the disk as an unsolicited "gift"). -- ============================================================================== Alex Currier * mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu * NeXTmail capable. Time is just one damn thing after another. ==============================================================================
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MonsterScope? (was Re: More info on running Stealth?) Date: 20 Jan 1994 01:16:55 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2hkm27$i3v@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1994Jan15.232039.2100@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> In article <1994Jan15.232039.2100@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> dbhinz@znih (David Hinz) writes: > Has anyone else tried to run Stealth? Would the original poster please > reply so that I can try to get this running. Speaking of running discontinued demo apps... is it possible to run MonsterScope under 3.2? would anyone be interested in NeXTmailing me a copy or does anyone know where I can get older versions of system software to try out the discontinued demo apps? -- ============================================================================== Alex Currier * mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu * NeXTmail capable. Time is just one damn thing after another. ==============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dnp@riesz.mit.edu (Dan Port) Subject: Group buy of printers at auction Message-ID: <1994Jan19.225906.18619@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Organization: MIT, Department of Mathematics Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 22:59:06 GMT Pixelated Technologies will be at the auction and will facilitate a group purchase of printers. I don't know what we can get or how much they will be, but we'll add %10 on top for our trouble. If you wish to have Pixelated Technologies represent you at the auction, please e-mail or call us with a maximum amount you are willing to pay for each particular item. Be sure to anticipate shipping charges and the extra %10. We can be reached at 1-800-PIXEL-ME, or e-mail dnp@math.mit.edu.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 20:24:03 EST From: <3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <94019.2024033JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A References: <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> <CJruHF.9B@zoodle.robin.de> Re : Invoice. There is a line that says "If you think this is a mistake please contact me" so whats worng. I looked on to the files and found that we have 2 subscriptions for you, may be because you E-Mailed us twice for a subscription. I have corrected the probelem, the one you paid for is still active :-). Jay E-Mail me at jay@jana.com
From: premise@schroedinger.engin.umich.edu (sean michael willson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Programming and SoftPc Date: 20 Jan 1994 02:42:20 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hkr2cINNoao@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Originator: premise@schroedinger.engin.umich.edu I have a question concerning programming under NeXTSTEP. If I were to run SoftPc under NeXT and then run windows. Would I be able to transfer code back and forth between NeXT C++ and Windows C++. This is assuming I am not at first taking advantage of the GUI. Would I be able to compile the code under NeXT/SoftPC/DOS/Windows/<generic C++ compiler> and actually get the app to work on a straight DOS/Windows machine or would I have to save it under NeXT on a DOS disk and then reboot under DOS and recompile there. And if so....are there major bugs that would appear.....I assume that the generic DOS machine would have the appropriate libraries. Am I totally wrong in assuming that this would work? Please reply.........Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: balu@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu (t.balasubramanian) Subject: Help: regarding drivers Message-ID: <1994Jan20.033732.13355@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 03:37:32 GMT Hi, We want to do simple slow IO with a NeXTStep Intel machine, along the lines of "put this byte out to that IO port" and "read a byte from that IO port". We expected some simple functions similar to outb() and inb() from microsoft (DOS) c to exist, and, infact the "same" functions were found in "\NextDeveloper\Headers\driverkit\i386\ioPorts.h". They include the warning "Note: These functions work only at kernel level". Does this mean that we must write some complex device driver ?. If so does the generic version exist or any suggestions as to how to go about writing will be appreciated. We tested our board to which we want to write or read by booting the intel 486 to DOS and that works as we expected. But then we tried to do the same thing by booting the system to NeXTStep with the above mentioned ioPorts.h header file included and the application just quits when we try to write to the port. We would greatly appreciate any suggestions from anyone familiar with these as to what is it that we are missing here. If possible please reply to balu@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu. Thanks very much for your time Balu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@dsi.com Subject: Re: Group buy of printers at auction Message-ID: <CJwyKK.1ot@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <1994Jan19.225906.18619@galois.mit.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 05:43:30 GMT In article <1994Jan19.225906.18619@galois.mit.edu> dnp@riesz.mit.edu (Dan Port) writes: > Pixelated Technologies will be at the auction and will facilitate a > group purchase of printers. I don't know what we can get or how much > they will be, but we'll add %10 on top for our trouble. If you wish > to have Pixelated Technologies represent you at the auction, please > e-mail or call us with a maximum amount you are willing to pay for each > particular item. Be sure to anticipate shipping charges and the extra %10. > We can be reached at 1-800-PIXEL-ME, or e-mail dnp@math.mit.edu. You might want to get in with Sam Goldberger from Spherical. That way, you can pool your efforts and get as many printers as possible for the best possible price. - J -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
From: blanford@spf.trw.com (Ronald P. Blanford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DBKit whats it worth? Date: 20 Jan 1994 06:48:41 GMT Organization: TRW Systems Development Division Message-ID: <2hl9g9$7p3@deneva.sdd.trw.com> References: <1994Jan19.041927.20953@bMD.com> Neil Greene <Neil@bMD.com> writes > Oddly enough, I have heard alot about the new work and > development of DBKit, but so much of it is hush hush. Other > then rumors, I can't find out what, if anything, is being done > to DBKit. This has been going on for some time now. I guess > like many others, I will be rudely awakened one day with some > new version of DBKit that doesn't work with your existing > code. I doubt that you have heard much about incompatible DBKit changes since the OpenStep agreement with Sun. No matter how much DBKit needs rewriting, existing standards exert a powerful force toward conformity. My own opinion is that DBKit in its current form will be here for some time. DBKit is a central part of the project I am currently working on. While there has been a difficult learning curve to master its intricacies, DBKit offers many powerful features and good integration with the NextStep AppKit. I can't speak first-hand to any performance comparisons, but in our widely distributed client-server system the bottlenecks lie overwhelmingly on the side of the server and the communication network rather than with the client software. On the whole I feel DBKit's benefits outweigh its deficiencies. However DBKit is a difficult tool in the hands of the inexperienced, so I would suggest that any project contemplating its use either hire someone with experience or budget additional time for coming up to speed. -- Ron blanford@spf.trw.com
From: bg@la.async.vt.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: how to send mails over SLIP? Date: 20 Jan 1994 06:17:27 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hl7ln$9dm@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Everything works great over SLIP except my mails from Mail.app keep bumping into the ethernet, which I have not connected. I can receive mails, but I cannot send out. If anyone knows what and how to set up, please let me know. Thanks in advance. Hoseong La -- Under Construction. :-@, shaken by the earthquake'94!
From: mallen@nwu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: converting .snd to .wav Date: 20 Jan 1994 07:57:12 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <2hldgo$bve@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <132689@hydra.gatech.EDU> John "Kzin" Rudd writes : For that matter, can you convert .wav files to .snd files? : there are some cool .wav files (star wars sounds and stuff) I'd like : to use under nextstep.. There is a NeXTStep app called GISO (Garbage in Sound Out) that is actually a slick interface for the unix command sox. You can find GISO on cs.orst.edu. It converts from .au to .wav and vice versa (and a whole lotta other file types too.) : John -- mallen@nwu.edu (NeXTMail welcome) "People called him Two Gun Corchran, but not because sported two pistols." Little Bill Daggett finger mallen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu for PGP public key
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab428@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Richard Lacelle) Subject: Toshiba PhotoCD Mounting Message-ID: <CJx6Iw.Kv@freenet.carleton.ca> Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 08:35:20 GMT Hi, I have a 3401 Toshiba CD-ROM on my 486/NeXTSTEP, however it does not seem to mount PhotoCDs, my drive is a photo CD. You anybody know how or can tell me if it is supported or not. Thanks -- Richard Lacelle e-mail: laceller@phoenix.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smeester@antares (Eric Smeesters) Subject: Re: converting .snd to .wav (GISO.app not found!) Message-ID: <1994Jan20.115424.19813@info.ucl.ac.be> Keywords: GISO, converting sounds Sender: news@info.ucl.ac.be (News Administrator) Organization: Computer Science Department, Catholic University of Louvain References: <2hldgo$bve@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:54:24 GMT In article <2hldgo$bve@news.acns.nwu.edu> mallen@nwu.edu writes: > There is a NeXTStep app called GISO (Garbage in Sound Out) that is > actually a slick interface for the unix command sox. You can find it on > cs.orst.edu. Impossible to find GISO.app! Is there any "secret" directory? Thanks for help Eric -- Eric Smeesters email: smeesters@tele.ucl.ac.be (NeXT email appreciated) UCL Telecommunications and Remote Sensing Laboratory Belgium
From: nv90-mwe@nada.kth.se (Martin Wennerberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: converting .snd to .wav (GISO.app not found!) Date: 20 Jan 1994 14:33:43 GMT Organization: The Royal Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hm4o7$9b5@news.kth.se> References: <1994Jan20.115424.19813@info.ucl.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: GISO.app ftp In article <1994Jan20.115424.19813@info.ucl.ac.be> smeester@antares (Eric Smeesters) writes: > > Impossible to find GISO.app! Is there any "secret" directory? > Thanks for help - I don't know about cs.orst.edu, but it's on ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (/pub/comp/platforms/next/Audio/audio-apps/). Martin ___________________________________________________________ Martin Wennerberg Student of computerscience at the University of Stockholm & NEXTSTEP consultant Snailmail: Ektorpsv. 41, 131 47 Nacka, SWEDEN email: nv90-mwe@nada.kth.se (NeXTMail Welcome) phone: +8 716 06 30
From: ccx009@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Sendmail on NS 3.0 Followup-To: poster Date: 20 Jan 1994 13:37:32 -0000 Organization: Coventry University Message-ID: <2hm1es$rd@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> IS there a version of sendmail for NeXT's (68040 Black h/w) that works? I have a lab of NS 3.0 machines and when I attempted to put a new sendmail.cf on the main gateway machine (one which functions fine on Suns,Decs,SGI's Sequents, etc.), it makes an absolute nonsense of the rules.... Where can I get a version of sendmail that works? thanks for any info. -- _ /-\dam ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLESH: Adam Bentley (Fraggle), Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK INET : adamb@rowan.coventry.ac.uk
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: converting .snd to .wav (GISO.app not found!) Date: 20 Jan 1994 13:30:12 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2hm114$in@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2hldgo$bve@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1994Jan20.115424.19813@info.ucl.ac.be> Keywords: GISO, converting sounds smeesters@tele.ucl.ac.be wrote >Impossible to find GISO.app! Is there any "secret" directory? >Thanks for help > >Eric > >-- >Eric Smeesters >email: smeesters@tele.ucl.ac.be (NeXT email appreciated) >UCL Telecommunications and Remote Sensing Laboratory >Belgium You should go and get SOX7 from the archives. Go to archie and look for SOX. I converted some wav to snd just last week using this program. GISO is a front end to SOX available from the cs.orst.edu etc. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "Nothing" Charade, 1963 robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (ASCII for text only messages)
From: gt8855a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bert Lindgren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cost of X-servers for NS/I? Summary: Send me email and I'll post the summary... Message-ID: <132927@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 20 Jan 94 07:46:39 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology I'm looking-into the options for X-windows under NEXTSTEP/Intel... - CubX (The only product I _KNOW_ runs on white hardware) - co-Xist (do they make an intel version?) - mouseX? - ??? If you have any information on X-windows on white hardware, please send me email and I'll try to summaries to csn.misc. As several different folks have asked me about this, I'd like to get both educational AND commercial prices. Thanks, Bert -- Bert Lindgren Georgia Tech, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 (404) 841-6220 Internet: bert@cc.gatech.edu Prodigy: Surely you jest >>>>>>>>>>>> NeXT Mail always enjoyed and appreciated <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: gt8855a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bert Lindgren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: WinSock under SoftPC? Summary: Does it work? Additional products needed? Keywords: windows networking and SoftPC Message-ID: <132928@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 20 Jan 94 07:49:45 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology What are the networking capabilities of SoftPC? Certainly, we do as much networking in NEXTSTEP (NFS mounting, etc), but we also have some Windows programs that use WinSock. Any info? Thanks, Bert -- Bert Lindgren Georgia Tech, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 (404) 841-6220 Internet: bert@cc.gatech.edu Prodigy: Surely you jest >>>>>>>>>>>> NeXT Mail always enjoyed and appreciated <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: gt8855a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bert Lindgren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Subject: Debugging under SoftPC Summary: Any support at all? Keywords: SoftPC code-view cvw Message-ID: <132929@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 20 Jan 94 07:56:36 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Does anyone know about the interaction between SoftPC and dos- or windows-debuggers? We naively tried running Windows code-view, but it didn't work, but it doesn't always work directly under windows, either! We've given-up on the idea of using things like Soft-ICE, but less hardware-level debuggers could work, I would think. How does windows-emulation under NT handle debuggers? Thanks, Bert -- Bert Lindgren Georgia Tech, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 (404) 841-6220 Internet: bert@cc.gatech.edu Prodigy: Surely you jest >>>>>>>>>>>> NeXT Mail always enjoyed and appreciated <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SLIP for NS/Intel... Date: 18 Jan 1994 21:45:11 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2hhhon$b8@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2he9qp$8va@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit mhatfiel@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Michael Hatfield) writes: >I've been trying to find a valid SLIP implementation for NS/Intel for some time, >and all I've found is SLIP for NeXT machines, no such luck for Intel. I'm >trying to access my school's Internet hookup directly through NeXT, as right nowI have to use the DOS side of things, and then copy the files over to the NeXT >side, which can be a real pain, what with the longer filenames and such. Plus >a graphical interface would be a big improvement for ftp and such. I have >gatorftp486, but no SLIP. Any suggestions would be appreciated... TransSys PNI 1.6 beta (MAB). cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions Regards, Markus. -- Marsu: "Es gibt tatsaechlich Leute, die ohne Computer gluecklich und zufrieden leben." -- Frankie: "Ach was, die emulieren das doch nur!" ----- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Intel aside.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wucolin@popeye.CIS.McMaster.CA (Colin Wu) Subject: Spell server in NS3.0 black Message-ID: <1994Jan20.170015.6893@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> Sender: usenet@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario. Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 17:00:15 GMT Could some kind soul please tell me where the spelling server is located? I'm running NS3.0 on black hardware. Thanks -- __ _ _ Colin Wu / ) // ' ) / Network Analyst / __|/ o ____ / / / . . Computing & Information Services (__/ (_) \_<_/ / <_ (_(_/ (_/_ McMaster University (905)525-9140 ext 24050
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Colours and Apps Message-ID: <1994Jan20.171418.12305@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <2hg5ur$60v@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <1994Jan18.154958.26040@altsys.com> <2hjbet$2n4@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 17:14:18 GMT In article <2hjbet$2n4@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) writes: >lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: > >>I'm sorry, but what you're saying isn't exactly true. We do an >>internal conversion to CMYK, but don't use the CMYK = 1 - RGB to do >>it. > >Hmmm, so how come when I select an RGB spot color, the CMY values >are EXACTLY 1-RGB when I look at the resultung EPS/PS? > >OK, I get it, you probably never looked at the RGB values but believed >the fairy-tale CMYK values NeXT was giving you. (Well, actually: >perfectly accurate, device-dependent CMYK values for the NeXT monitor :-) > >So your own conversion routines (which I have heard praised for images) >never got to see the spot color RGB values. > >So I guess it's not guilt by silliness but guilt by believing somebody >else's silliness (and believing that CMYK colors are device-indepedent...) > >Apologies, > >Marcel Marcel, For straight RGB colors, this is true (there's really no other way to do this interctively and easily. I do not recommend picking colors using the RGB color wheel, because as you know there are many colors available in the RGB color space that are not reproducible using CMYK. I think Virtuoso uses a reasonable scheme for creating reproducible color. Especially WRT to Pantone... Spot colors are defined internally in Virtuoso's database and can be described for composite out put either with RGB or CMYK values. They print on their own plates when separated. The CMYK colors match Illustrator's CMYK values as well as Quark XPress's so I feel fairly comfortable. Of course I'd love it if Virtuoso was fully PostScript II studly, but right now I'm concentrating on getting version 2 shipped... Thanks, -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Vendors? (NEXTSTEP Academic Purchase FAQ) Date: 20 Jan 1994 17:46:52 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University Message-ID: <2hmg2c$cqr@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <uk02728.759014832@mik.uky.edu> In article <uk02728.759014832@mik.uky.edu> uk02728@mik.uky.edu (nolan w whitaker) writes: > This is probably a FAQ, so I apologize in advance... > > Where can I purchase a copy of NeXTSTEP by mail? > who has the lowest price? > and is there an "academic" or "student" discount available? > > Thanks, > Nolan NASCORP is NeXT's chosen distributor for NSI Academic bundle. The part number for the 3.1 Intel package is 9301023296. The cost is $249. The part number for the 3.2 Intel package is 9301032333 The cost is $299. The part number for the 3.2 Moto package is 9301036460 The cost is $299. The NeXT part number of N5590 as well. NEXTSTEP Academic bundle include full working version of user and developer CD-ROMS but no hardcopy of docs, however all docs are on the CD-ROMs. Odds are your university bookstore already has an account with this company. You should be able to go to the bookstore and Just Order. If you want to find out if indeed your school has an account with NASCORP, their phone number is 800-321-3883. - Tim - -------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Pugh email: tpugh@oce.orst.edu Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences voice: 503-737-2270 Oregon State University fax: 503-737-2064 NeXTmail ok!
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: Sendmail on NS 3.0 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 13:57:07 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <chDhE3600WBO0386QX@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2hm1es$rd@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.bugs: 20-Jan-94 Sendmail on NS 3.0 by Adam Bentley@rowan.coven > IS there a version of sendmail for NeXT's (68040 Black h/w) that works? > I have a lab of NS 3.0 machines and when I attempted to put a new > sendmail.cf on the main gateway machine (one which functions fine on > Suns,Decs,SGI's, Sequents, etc.), it makes an absolute nonsense of the > rules.... > > Where can I get a version of sendmail that works? V8.6.4 (or later) of sendmail is available: via anonymous FTP from FTP.CS.Berkeley.EDU in /ucb/sendmail It fixes all of the known security holes in sendmail. [Yes, there are security holes in the version of sendmail shipped with all versions of NEXTSTEP, at least up to 3.1 -- and I'll be seeing 3.2 soon, so I'll check when I get it.] -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*splat*! | 1. You can't fly. --------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help: regarding drivers Date: 20 Jan 1994 20:20:00 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2hmp1g$q4d@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Jan20.033732.13355@news.cs.brandeis.edu> In article <1994Jan20.033732.13355@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, t.balasubramanian <balu@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu > wrote: >Hi, > We want to do simple slow IO with a NeXTStep Intel machine, along the >lines of "put this byte out to that IO port" and "read a byte from that IO >port". We expected some simple functions similar to outb() and inb() from >microsoft (DOS) c to exist, and, infact the "same" functions were found in >"\NextDeveloper\Headers\driverkit\i386\ioPorts.h". They include the >warning "Note: These functions work only at kernel level". Does this mean >that we must write some complex device driver ?. If so does the generic >version exist or any suggestions as to how to go about writing will be >appreciated. > > We tested our board to which we want to write or read by booting >the intel 486 to DOS and that works as we expected. But then we tried to >do the same thing by booting the system to NeXTStep with the above >mentioned ioPorts.h header file included and the application just quits >when we try to write to the port. > > We would greatly appreciate any suggestions from anyone familiar >with these as to what is it that we are missing here. If possible please >reply to balu@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu. > I don't think you will be able to do what you wish to do without some kind of driver. Dos is a completely unprotected computer enviornment. Programs are free to diddle with any port, byte or register in the system. Of course if they step on the wrong bit, the entire system comes to an immediate and not to graceful halt (Grock CTRL-ALT-DEL?). Nextstep (as well as OS/2, NT) are environments in which general user programs are not allowed to touch the computers hardware directly. Normally all requests for physical access go to the operating system, are checked to minimize the chance they will compromise the machine and then performed by the o/s via some driver or kernal function on behalf of the the user program. If the request is in some way illegal or improper that user program (and hopefully only) that program is terminated. The rest of the programs and the system will keep on going. Some operating systems have functions similiar to what you need to use, but generally restrict the use of the function to a special class of users. Its sometimes possible to get direct access to the ram memory under unix with the correct user class or permissions, but I/O ports are not memory mapped in the PC architecture (last time I bothered to check anyway). A driver to implement this on the Next shouldn't be all that difficult, but I'll let those with DriverKit experience speak to that point. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: skeets@cac.stratus.com (Paul Pederson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: How To Add New APPS to my Services Menu Date: 20 Jan 1994 20:36:19 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Distribution: na Message-ID: <2hmq03$7dj@transfer.stratus.com> Keywords: services menu preferences I wish to have additional applications available from my Services Menu. I am running NeXTSTEP 3.0. I was told that the Services should add themselves, if they are coded to do so. I look into my .NEXT/services/.applist file which I figure is the configuration file for the services list. In this file I see the pathname names of the applications is wish to see. When I open my Services Preferences window the applications don't show up. Could someone tell me what to do? Skeets PS: We have a PC running NeXTSTEP 3.1 and it shows the applications in its services menu.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: montyb@avalon.enet.dec.com (Monty Brandenberg) Message-ID: <9401202044.AA23282@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> Subject: Re: seeking text to speech converter Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:44:23 PST id AA23282; Thu, 20 Jan 94 12:44:23 -0800 From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) >There's the Trillium Sound Research TextToSpeech Kit. It runs on black >hardware right now and an enhanced version is planned for the white hardware >in mid 1994. Email trillium@trillium.ab.ca for more details (or phone > 1-800-L-ORATOR (1-800-567-2867). I recently purchased the developer version of this package and as other's have asked about it, I thought I'd give my initial impressions. The synthesis quality is about that of early DECtalk hardware and somewhat behind the current software versions. Intonation was close if a bit jumpy. The developer kit includes a phonetic editor to allow dictionary customizations. I only played with this briefly but it does work. Both developer and user kits include a 'ScratchPad' application to demonstrate conversion. I played with some quotations from the online Oxford set. Mostly understandable though pacing was sometimes a bit unnatural and Shakespeare is read rather oddly. To use the ScratchPad app as a general reader would require preprocessing of the text as capitals and some normal punctuations change the generated phonemes in a way not always desireable. (Perhaps another job for TickleServices.) With the developer kit, you can build whatever facility you want, of course. Amusingly, the dictionary had the 'correct' pronunciation of the word 'ghoti' (fish). I'd say it's worth the AppWrapper price. monty
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: johnc@object.com (John Coppinger) Subject: Re: DBKit whats it worth? Message-ID: <1994Jan20.184222.1067@object.com> Sender: johnc@object.com Organization: Objective Technologies, Inc. References: <1994Jan19.041927.20953@bMD.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 18:42:22 GMT In article <1994Jan19.041927.20953@bMD.com> Neil Greene <Neil@bMD.com> writes: >I guess like many others, I will be rudely awakened one > day with some new version of DBKit that doesn't work with your existing > code. > > Neil Greene Based on past experience, NeXT tries to keep your code working across versions of NEXTSTEP. In the transition from version 1 to version 2, NeXT added the NXImage class, but the Bitmap class kept working. In the transition from version 2 to version 3, NeXT added Distributed Objects, but Speaker/Listener code still works. My guess is that future version will try to maximize compatibility with DBKit code written for versions 3.0 - 3.2. So you can sleep soundly. John Coppinger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <1994Jan20.054559.460@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <2hjn45$bf5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 05:45:59 GMT In article <2hjn45$bf5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > In article <1994Jan16.052636.498@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> raptor!rlove (Robert > Love ) writes: > > > > Yeah, I wish there was a way to do this without reaching for the key > > board. I think WriteNow got it write the the scroll and screen up/down > > buttons. Scrolling a page at a time should be a pure mouse action, > IMHO. > > Reaching for the keyboard is easier than reaching for the mouse. > IMHO, in non-editable text, the space bar and the backspace key > should always be available for page scrolling. The page up and > page down keys should also be supported. Makes reading news, I'm on black hardware. If I have page up/dn keys I don't know about it. Somebody please explain! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dnp@riesz.mit.edu (Dan Port) Subject: ** group purchase of laser printer cartridges ** Message-ID: <1994Jan20.200403.27583@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Organization: MIT, Department of Mathematics Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 20:04:03 GMT To all of you who may be purchasing a NeXT laser printer or to those of you who already have one, Pixelated Technologies will be coordinating a group purchase of toner cartridges. The final price per cartridge will depend on how many we buy, but expect to pay no more than $50 but as low as $25. Please e-mail me the following information: Name phone number # of cartridges you will COMMIT to buying We will gather this information until Jan. 30, after which we will post a summary before the purchase.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <CJyFA0.Mv5@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <CJw7JK.9MM@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 00:34:46 GMT In article <CJw7JK.9MM@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: > While we are wishing for GUI realted features, how about adding the > ability to expand a window to its max vertical size by double clicking > the title bar -- as per Sun OpenLook. Should be easy to add and would > be greatly appreciated, by me at least :-). Yeah, I think this option would be a time saver. MS Windows does this and I kinda like it. Also the ability to maximize and return the window to its previous size buttons would be nice. > Also, Why not modify the standard Print Pannel to work the way it now > does with Terminal and Stuart; i.e., in addition to "print all" allow > for "print visible" and "print select". If we can "cut and paset" > why can't we "cut and print"? These could be performed easily with a services option I think. Or at least the print selected could. --- -------------------------------------------------------------------- James P. Klett klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu jimbo@oingo.umn.edu (SLIP) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Slip Slipping' away... NeXT Mail Preferred --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: skrbec@tophat4.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Skrbec) Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: tclX for NeXTstep 3.2 Date: 20 Jan 1994 22:34:56 GMT Organization: Motorola Cellulsr Infrastructure Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hn0ug$srv@delphinium.cig.mot.com> Keywords: tcl Has anyone had any luck compiling tclX7.3a under NeXTstep 3.2? I've gotten tcl and tk compiled just fine, but during the tclX make, I get a floating point exception when it tries to run runtcl. I also looked at some warnings I was getting that call connect using a sockaddr_in struct for the second parameter, which should be sockaddr. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! Brad Skrbec
From: liang-sheng@cs.yale.edu (Sheng Liang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Adaptec 1542CF with >1GB HD Date: 20 Jan 1994 20:08:04 -0500 Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hn9tkINNfm9@NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> The NeXT Answers section 1108 says that NS 3.2 doesn't support drives greater than 1GB on Adaptec 1542CF. But I'm now stuck with them. I wonder if there is some way to make the combination work. Has anyone succeeded in NS working with 1542CF and a smaller than 1GB partition on a large hard drive? Or, is this inherently impossible? Thanks,
From: long0@ncc.centel.com (Gary Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Date: 20 Jan 1994 11:28:10 GMT Organization: Central Telephone Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hlpsa$f7a@coergw2.centel.com> References: <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> <CJruHF.9B@zoodle.robin.de> <94019.2024033JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> In article <94019.2024033JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, <3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes: |> Re : Invoice. |> |> There is a line that says "If you think this is a mistake please contact |> me" so whats worng. I looked on to the files and found that we have 2 |> subscriptions for you, may be because you E-Mailed us twice for a subscription. |> |> I have corrected the probelem, the one you paid for is still active :-). |> |> Jay |> E-Mail me at jay@jana.com |> I've been reading this thread for some time, wondering if I'd ever get the disks I requested. I got the first one, with the note about the production problem with the 2nd disc, this week. :) Looking forward to getting the 2nd disc. -- Gary Longsine
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Message-ID: <1994Jan20.185634.4025@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: news@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 18:56:34 GMT In article <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John "Kzin" Rudd) writes: > > I'm curious what you have to do to get rid of NEXTSTEP boot manager > on NS/Intel. I changed my active partion to another partition..but > I still get the NS boot manager. > > I'm planning to install OS/2 soon, and I'll actually be moving the > entire NS partition to anohter drive (reinstalling). I hope that I > don't have to reformat the entire drive just to get rid of the boot > manager. (I plan to use OS/2's boot manager, or anohter boot manager.. > preferably one that waits for me to respond, instead of always passing > me bye if I don't.. or at least one that I can configure) > > > Anyways, > > Help would be appreciated. > > John > > > -- > John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) > ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.============== > "Discussing whether or not computers can think is about as interesting as > discussing whether or not submarines can swim." -- Dijkstra One person I now installed his Dos it trashed the next boot manager. then he installed his OS/2 and the os 2 boot manager could boot any of the three Rick
From: cdb@xedoc.com.au (Cameron Bromley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WinSock under SoftPC? Date: 21 Jan 1994 06:25:12 GMT Organization: Connect.com.au Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hnsg8$hn5@yarrina.connect.com.au> References: <132928@hydra.gatech.EDU> In article <132928@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8855a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bert Lindgren) writes: > What are the networking capabilities of SoftPC? > > Certainly, we do as much networking in NEXTSTEP (NFS mounting, etc), > but we also have some Windows programs that use WinSock. > As far as I know, SoftPC comes with Novell's LAN Workplace TCP/IP stack (or at least emulates it). I'm fairly sure Novell have a winsock.dll which provides a winsock compliant API to their TCP/IP implementation. Try looking around on ftp.novell.com, or ask a Novell reseller (telling them you are running with SoftPC will probably only confuse the issue; just say you have LAn Workplace and want a WinSock patch for it) Cameron. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Cameron Bromley cdb@xedoc.com.au Xedoc Software Development Pty. Ltd. Fax +61-3-696-6757 222 Park St., Phone +61-3-696-2490 South Melbourne VIC, 3206 Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <CJy5sG.IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 21:17:04 GMT I find myself wanting to do a particular thing, and it just seems so logical that I wonder if there isn't a way to do it. That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the file viewer, rather than in my home directory. Is there such a shortcut? Thanks much - Jon --- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <1994Jan21.104333.27740@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <CJy5sG.IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 10:43:33 GMT In article <CJy5sG.IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: >>I find myself wanting to do a particular thing, and it just seems >>so logical that I wonder if there isn't a way to do it. >> >>That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and >>open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the >>file viewer, rather than in my home directory. >> >>Is there such a shortcut? >> Well, I bet you could write a TickleService and bind it to a cmd-key, but in the meantime there is a useful trick not everybody knows that I use all the time: double click on terminal to bring it up. Type cmd-n to bring up a new terminal window. Type "cd " and then drag the directory from the Workspace into the terminal window. it's path (plus a space at the end) is pasted into the terminal. Now hit return. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) --> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mdw@sitar.jazz.att.com (Mark Wuest) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <CJzF5C.B1o@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Originator: news@cbnewsg.cb.att.com Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories References: <CJy5sG.IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:36:47 GMT In article IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: >That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and >open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the >file viewer, rather than in my home directory. > >Is there such a shortcut? Stuart.app adds just such a Service: Services->Stuart->Shell in Directory Works for me... Mark -- Mark Wuest mdw@sitar.jazz.att.com (NeXT Mail Ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean Banfield) Subject: Configuring boot mgr? Organization: Real Decisions Corporation Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:43:39 GMT Message-ID: <CJzL0s.4qG@rdcalr.realdec.com> Hi, Any way to configure NS/FIP to default to DOS boot, but optionally allow NS boot when 'n' is typed. Everyone else in my family uses DOS/Windows apps and it is easier for everyone if the default is DOS. I'll happily type 'n' when I need NS. Thanks in advance. -Dean -- =============================================================== Dean Banfield Real Decisions Corporation Voice: 203.656.1500 22 Thorndal Circle FAX: 203.656.1659 Darien, CT USA 06840 e-mail: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com ===============================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <1994Jan21.145258.8867@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software References: <CJy5sG.IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:52:58 GMT Jon Haveman writes >I find myself wanting to do a particular thing, and it just seems >so logical that I wonder if there isn't a way to do it. > >That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and >open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the >file viewer, rather than in my home directory. > >Is there such a shortcut? > Yes. See the menu option: Services-->Terminal-->New Shell Here. However, you must first load in the terminal services "example" services. To do that, go to Terminal.app, and click: Info--?Terminal Services. I have assigned cmd-shift-U to be the "New Shell Here" option in Preferences.app's Menu Preferences. This way, I just select a file or folder in FileViewer and hit cmd-shift-U to get the new shell. This also works from several other apps that set up the pasteboard correctly (Edit.app is one such well-behaved program). Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-5853 or 363-9001 (Hou) (713) 363-9763 (fax)
From: geom2@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Michael Moellney ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: TeXview hangs after Upgrade to 3.2 Date: 21 Jan 1994 16:58:16 GMT Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany Message-ID: <2hp1j8$7t@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Hi! I upgraded an Intel from 3.1 to 3.2. NeXTTeX was installed in 3.1 and I changed some formats and don't wanted that to be erased. So I didn't installed NeXTTeX from the 3.2. I also use TeXMenu, if it matters. The Problem: Every time I try to print to a file by pressing save in the print-panel and select a filename, TeXview starts dvips. That's ok, but after dvips processed the dvi-file and generated a ps-file TeXview doesn't realize this and wait's (spinning wheel) until it is killed by me! Selecting 'Don't wait on dvips' doesn't change this behaviour. I installed the 3.2 NeXTSTEP NeXTTeX package on an other host in our net and copied only TeXview to my problem machine. No CHANGE! So did anybody have the same expirience? Any clues? Sometimes the Console Window of TeXview stops to show the output of dvips. Looks like this: [1] [2] [3 and nothing else (there are more sides and dvips processes them to the very end. You get the ps-file at full) Very seldom dvips isn't started and so doesn't produce output. Thank you for any hints! Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <CJzq2F.BGs@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1994Jan21.104333.27740@news.media.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:32:38 GMT In article <1994Jan21.104333.27740@news.media.mit.edu> wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes: > In article <CJy5sG.IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: > >>I find myself wanting to do a particular thing, and it just seems > >>so logical that I wonder if there isn't a way to do it. > >> > >>That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and > >>open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the > >>file viewer, rather than in my home directory. > >> > >>Is there such a shortcut? > >> > > Well, I bet you could write a TickleService and bind it to a cmd-key, but > in the meantime there is a useful trick not everybody knows that I use > all the time: > > double click on terminal to bring it up. Type cmd-n to bring up a new > terminal window. Type "cd " and then drag the directory from the Workspace > into the terminal window. it's path (plus a space at the end) is pasted > into the terminal. Now hit return. Whoooaaaa!!!! That is so cool I can hardly contain myself!!!!!!! This will come in really handy in other circumstances as well. Thanks - Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <CJzqA9.CK5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1994Jan21.145258.8867@gleap.sccsi.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:37:20 GMT In article <1994Jan21.145258.8867@gleap.sccsi.com> clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > Jon Haveman writes > >I find myself wanting to do a particular thing, and it just seems > >so logical that I wonder if there isn't a way to do it. > > > >That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and > >open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the > >file viewer, rather than in my home directory. > > > >Is there such a shortcut? > > > > Yes. See the menu option: Services-->Terminal-->New Shell Here. However, you > must first load in the terminal services "example" services. To do that, go to > Terminal.app, and click: Info--?Terminal Services. > > I have assigned cmd-shift-U to be the "New Shell Here" option in > Preferences.app's Menu Preferences. This way, I just select a file or folder > in FileViewer and hit cmd-shift-U to get the new shell. This also works from > several other apps that set up the pasteboard correctly (Edit.app is one such > well-behaved program). > > Charles. Perfect, thanks, extremely helpful. Cheers - Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rob@brewster.demon.co.uk (Rob Heyes) Subject: Re: Configuring boot mgr? References: <CJzL0s.4qG@rdcalr.realdec.com> Organization: Kallisti Systems Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 17:31:36 +0000 Message-ID: <759198696snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <CJzL0s.4qG@rdcalr.realdec.com> dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean Banfield) writes: > Hi, > Any way to configure NS/FIP to default to DOS boot, but optionally allow > NS boot when 'n' is typed. Everyone else in my family uses DOS/Windows > apps and it is easier for everyone if the default is DOS. I'll happily > type 'n' when I need NS. > You should be able to use DOS FDISK to make the DOS partition active. On my machine I work in OS/2 most of the time so I have the OS/2 boot manager as the active partition, to get into NEXTSTEP I type 'n', for DOS I type 'd' and just let it time out to get into the OS/2 boot menu. Rob Heyes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: deininge@cen.encompass.com (David Deininger) Subject: How do I read MIME mail? Message-ID: <1994Jan21.184257.7749@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:42:57 GMT Somebody just sent me a mail message in MIME format. What's the easiest way for me to read it? Is there an app on a server somewhere that I can get? --david deininger (deininge@cipher.cen.encompass.com)
From: feng@jedi.eng.uci.edu (Feng Liu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Configuring boot mgr? Date: 21 Jan 1994 19:13:47 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Message-ID: <2hp9hb$6vk@news.service.uci.edu> References: <759198696snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> In article <759198696snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> rob@brewster.demon.co.uk (Rob Heyes) writes: > In article <CJzL0s.4qG@rdcalr.realdec.com> dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean Banfield) writes: > > Hi, > > Any way to configure NS/FIP to default to DOS boot, but optionally allow > > NS boot when 'n' is typed. Everyone else in my family uses DOS/Windows > > apps and it is easier for everyone if the default is DOS. I'll happily > > type 'n' when I need NS. > > > > You should be able to use DOS FDISK to make the DOS partition active. On my > machine I work in OS/2 most of the time so I have the OS/2 boot manager as > the active partition, to get into NEXTSTEP I type 'n', for DOS I type 'd' > and just let it time out to get into the OS/2 boot menu. > > Rob Heyes How does it work? I don't quite understand what you mean by time out to os/2 boot menu? If you have the OS/2 boot manager as the active partition, shouldn't the machine boot up with the boot manager first and then let you choose which partition to go? This is what I did and had trouble. I used OS/2 to make 3 partitions 1. the boot manager 1Mb 2. the DOS and OS/2 partition where I install both DOS and OS/2 3. An extended DOS partition I then install Next Step in the extended DOS partition. When I boot the machine and select th NeXT partition from the OS/2 boot manager, the screen shows one line: next step ........ but would not boot NeXTSTEP. If I select the DOS partition it boots fine. Anybody made the above procedure work? Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <1994Jan21.191630.16517@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <CJy5sG.IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1994Jan21.104333.27740@news.media.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 19:16:30 GMT In article <1994Jan21.104333.27740@news.media.mit.edu> wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes: >In article <CJy5sG.IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: >>>I find myself wanting to do a particular thing, and it just seems >>>so logical that I wonder if there isn't a way to do it. >>> >>>That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and >>>open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the >>>file viewer, rather than in my home directory. >>> >>>Is there such a shortcut? >>> > >Well, I bet you could write a TickleService and bind it to a cmd-key, but >in the meantime there is a useful trick not everybody knows that I use >all the time: > >double click on terminal to bring it up. Type cmd-n to bring up a new >terminal window. Type "cd " and then drag the directory from the Workspace >into the terminal window. it's path (plus a space at the end) is pasted >into the terminal. Now hit return. > > >-- >--> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu >--> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group >--> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) >--> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office) On my machine, if I cmd-drag a directory onto the Terminal icon, it opens in that directory. I'm not sure why/how it works, because it doesn't work for everyone... Peace -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pjoe@charon.muc.de (Peter Eybert) Subject: Re: More info on running Stealth? Message-ID: <1994Jan20.190718.959@charon.muc.de> Sender: pjoe@charon.muc.de Organization: Peter Eybert References: <1994Jan15.232039.2100@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 19:07:18 GMT In article <1994Jan15.232039.2100@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> dbhinz@znih (David Hinz) writes: > I'm looking for more information on how to run the Stealth.app that > was originally part of the 2.2 release of NeXTstep. Someone posted to one > of the Next newsgroups that Stealth would run under 3.2. I __acquired__ a > copy of Stealth but all I get when I try to run it is: > > Jan 15 15:59:13 znih Stealth[2069]: An uncaught exception was raised > > Jan 15 15:59:13 znih Stealth[2069]: DPS client library error: PostScript > program > error, DPSContext 2ece4 > > > Has anyone else tried to run Stealth? Would the original poster please > reply so that I can try to get this running. > > David Hinz Stealth from NeXTSTEP 2.1 runs well on my NextStation (non-turbo) with 3.2. -- ____________________________________________________________ Peter Eybert pjoe@charon.muc.de Appenzellerstr. 123 Tel: +49-89-7593734 81475 Muenchen (NeXTMail welcome) --
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Message-ID: <Jan.21.15.43.24.1994.3366@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 21 Jan 94 20:43:24 GMT References: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> <1994Jan20.185634.4025@ToTSySSoft.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) writes: >One person I now installed his Dos it trashed the next boot manager. >then he installed his OS/2 and the os 2 boot manager could boot any of the >three Do any boot managers exist that can not only boot onto a different partitions, but onto another drive? This would be a terrific program, somebody has to make something like this. It would save a lot of time... Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pjoe@charon.muc.de (Peter Eybert) Subject: Re: MonsterScope? (was Re: More info on running Stealth?) Message-ID: <1994Jan21.202903.1723@charon.muc.de> Sender: pjoe@charon.muc.de Organization: Peter Eybert References: <2hkm27$i3v@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 20:29:03 GMT In article <2hkm27$i3v@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > In article <1994Jan15.232039.2100@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> dbhinz@znih (David Hinz) > writes: > > > Has anyone else tried to run Stealth? Would the original poster please > > reply so that I can try to get this running. > > Speaking of running discontinued demo apps... is it possible to run > MonsterScope under 3.2? would anyone be interested in NeXTmailing me a copy or > does anyone know where I can get older versions of system software to try out > the discontinued demo apps? > > -- > ========================================================================== ==== > Alex Currier * mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu * NeXTmail capable. > Time is just one damn thing after another. > ========================================================================== ==== MonsterScope, Automata, Balancer.app, FractalTrees, Saturn.app, StatLab.app, Stealth.app, TopologyLab.app, Gourmet.app and RealTimeAlgebra (all from NS 2.1) work on 3.2. PendulumLab.app doesn't remove exception handlers properly, but works too. (But I didn't test these -extensively- ) If you want some, mail me. -- ____________________________________________________________ Peter Eybert pjoe@charon.muc.de Appenzellerstr. 123 Tel: +49-89-7593734 81475 Muenchen (NeXTMail welcome) --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Dumb question. (C++ and NeXT cc) Message-ID: <1994Jan20.122525.1260@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <2hi4eg$9vj@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:25:25 GMT In article <2hi4eg$9vj@agate.berkeley.edu> nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) writes: > > When I try to compile it... > > [inferno] cc foo.cc > ld: Undefined symbols: > _cout > ___ls__7ostreamPCc > ___ls__7ostreamc A hint: If something is undefined, you must find a way to define it .. (Often people ask: "Why is this undefined ?" Well, because it's not there.) In this case: Link the c++ library (actually g++) and you'll be fine: cc foo.cc -lg++ Because of some GNU-geniality, it might even work if you call the c++ compiler directly (newer versions of gcc work like this, but the NeXT-gcc is old, so I'm not sure about the following): cc++ foo.cc -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: kamau@netcom.com (Kamau Wanguhu) Subject: Need CD-ROM drive for Upgrade Message-ID: <kamauCJzz46.HzM@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 20:48:06 GMT I would like to borrow (or rent if the price is low) a CD ROM Drive from a kind soul in the Sacramento area. I would need the drive for at most two (2) days, just long enough to upgrade my machine from 3.0 to 3.2 and make a backup 3.2 OD boot disk. Please contact me at 916.381.8216 or by either of the E-Mail addresses listed in my sig. Thanks for you help. Later --- =========================================================================== E. Kamau Wanguhu 7715 College Town Drive, Apartment # 12 E-Mail:kamau@BORGcube.sac.ca.us Sacramento, CA 95826~2313 or:kamau@netcom.com Home Telephone: (916) 381-8216 (o o) Home FAX: (916) 381-4258 -----ooO-(_)-Ooo----- /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- ===================================================================== Kamau Wanguhu Phone:(916)381-8216 FAX:(916)381-4258 Internet: kamau@borgcube.sac.ca.us or:kamau@netcom.com NeXT mail Welcome :-) =====================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542CF with >1GB HD Message-ID: <1994Jan21.234523.24240@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2hn9tkINNfm9@NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 23:45:23 GMT In article <2hn9tkINNfm9@NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> liang-sheng@cs.yale.edu (Sheng Liang) writes: >The NeXT Answers section 1108 says that NS 3.2 doesn't support drives >greater than 1GB on Adaptec 1542CF. But I'm now stuck with them. I >wonder if there is some way to make the combination work. Has anyone >succeeded in NS working with 1542CF and a smaller than 1GB partition >on a large hard drive? Or, is this inherently impossible? I'd like to know too, AND, I'd like to know if this restriction applies ONLY to the 1542CF, or does it apply to the 1542C as well? NeXTAnswers just says "1542cf". Sheng, you might try posting in comp.sys.next.hardware if you don't get any responses from here. Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dhinz@dread (David Hinz) Subject: Re: More info on running Stealth? Message-ID: <CK06Jw.8Dz@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> Sender: news@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (IT Netnews) Organization: US WEST Information Technologies References: <1994Jan15.232039.2100@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <1994Jan20.190718.959@charon.muc.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 23:28:44 GMT : Stealth from NeXTSTEP 2.1 runs well on my NextStation (non-turbo) : with 3.2. : -- Wonder what I'm doing wrong, I've tried 10-15 times to get it to run and I just get the errors that I posted earlier. I'm running on a NeXTstation Turbo Color with 3.2. Is there any configuration that needs to be done before it will run? David Hinz.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: sendmail aliases problem Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc. Date: 21 Jan 94 19:07:56 PST Message-ID: <1994Jan21.190757.10660@crash> I've noticed something strange is going on, all of a sudden, with my NeXTcube system running NS3.2... when I type "newaliases" it comes back and complains about each and every line of the /etc/sendmail/aliases file... for example: /etc/sendmail/aliases: line 14: cannot alias non-local names /etc/sendmail/aliases: line 18: cannot alias non-local names /etc/sendmail/aliases: line 19: cannot alias non-local names /etc/sendmail/aliases: line 23: cannot alias non-local names ... well, you get the idea... This just started happening. What's the problem? I have to assume it is related to an email problem our coconut.com has started having... email looping back on itself when it arrives at our site... we get messages such as... -----Transcript of session follows----- While connected to mailhost: >>> HELO coconut.coconut.com <<< 553 coconut.coconut.com config error: mail loops back to myself 554 brian... 554 service unavailable ---------------------------------------------- Similar messages are filling up in /usr/spool/uucp/D.xxxxxxxx... each time our NeXTcube dials its mail forwarding system, this file grows. It seems anyone who sends mail to us now gets it returned as undeliverable... Help would be greatly appreciated! Please reply to this note in comp.sys.next.misc, as my mail is broken! :-) -- bd * brian dear / coconut computing, inc. *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Subject: Re: How To Add New APPS to my Services Menu Message-ID: <CK08sr.3ow@belly.in-berlin.de> Sender: usenet@belly.in-berlin.de Organization: - none - References: <2hmq03$7dj@transfer.stratus.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 00:17:13 GMT In article <2hmq03$7dj@transfer.stratus.com> skeets@cac.stratus.com (Paul Pederson) writes: > I wish to have additional applications available from my Services Menu. I > am running NeXTSTEP 3.0. > > I was told that the Services should add themselves, if they are coded to do > so. I look into my .NEXT/services/.applist file which I figure is the > configuration file for the services list. In this file I see the pathname > names of the applications is wish to see. > > When I open my Services Preferences window the applications don't show up. > Could someone tell me what to do? > > Skeets > > PS: We have a PC running NeXTSTEP 3.1 and it shows the applications in its > services menu. I had a similar problem today and it took me some time... I installed the MailHelper.app (FAT-Binary) on a 3.0 machine and it would not appear in the services menu. I figured out that NS3.0 doesn't recognize the file-format of FAT-executables. Because the services informations are placed in a section of the executable, it can't find them. Doing a file MailHelper.app/MailHelper did not say executable but text or something similar. Replacing the executable with a pure M68K version solved the problem for me. Can anyone with more insight confirm or deny this? -- Axel Habermann \\|// "Wenn Du nicht kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (NeXT-Mail) )o o( weisst was Du kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (NO NeXT-Mail) \ | / tust, mach's FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 \~/ mit Eleganz!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: BANG?? Message-ID: <CK0GM7.1qx@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <CJtxx1.AMD@chemelex.com> Distribution: ba Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 03:06:07 GMT In article <CJtxx1.AMD@chemelex.com> fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) writes: Anyone know what happened to the Bay Area Next User's Group? Email to the group's address is bouncing and I'd like to attend the meetings. I had attended a few meetings in '93 and found them extremely useful and informative. I don't know but I paid for a membership and all I got was a damned T-shirt. Kent -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FYI;"!4:6UE<RU2;VUA;CM<9C%< M9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R M=&)L.UQR960P7&=R965N,%QB;'5E,#M]"EQP87)D7'1X-38P7'1X,3$R,%QT M>#$V.#!<='@R,C0P7'1X,C@P,%QT>#,S-C!<='@S.3(P7'1X-#0X,%QT>#4P M-#!<='@U-C`P7&8P7&(P7&DP7'5L;F]N95QF<S(X7&9C,%QC9C`@7`I<"DEN M(&%R=&EC;&4@/$-*='AX,2Y!341`8VAE;65L97@N8V]M/B!F;7-`8VAE;65L M97@@+F-O;2`H1G)E9"!38VAE;FME;&)E<F<I('=R:71E<SI<"@I<<&%R9%QT M>#!<='@R,#@P7'1X-#$V,%QT>#8R-#!<='@X,S(P7'1X,3`T,#!<='@Q,C0X M,%QT>#$T-38P7'1X,38V-#!<='@Q.#<R,%QT>#(P.#`P7'1X,C(X.#!<='@R M-#DV,%QT>#(W,#0P7'1X,CDQ,C!<='@S,3(P,%QT>#,S,C@P7'1X,S4S-C!< M='@S-S0T,%QT>#,Y-3(P7&9C,5QC9C$@7`H*7'!A<F1<='@Q-3(P7'1X,S`V M,%QT>#0V,#!<='@V,30P7'1X-S8X,%QT>#DR,#!<='@Q,#<T,%QT>#$R,C@P M7'1X,3,X,C!<='@Q-3,V,%QF,5QF<S,R7&9C,%QC9C`@06YY;VYE(&MN;W<@ M=VAA="!H87!P96YE9"!T;R!T:&4@0F%Y($%R96$@3F5X="!5<V5R)W,@1W)O M=7`_($5M86EL('1O('1H92!G<F]U<"=S(&%D9')E<W,@:7,@8F]U;F-I;F<@ M86YD($DG9"!L:6ME('1O(&%T=&5N9"!T:&4@;65E=&EN9W,N($D@:&%D(&%T M=&5N9&5D(&$@9F5W(&UE971I;F=S(&EN("<Y,R!A;F0@9F]U;F0@=&AE;2!E M>'1R96UE;'D@=7-E9G5L(&%N9"!I;F9O<FUA=&EV92Y<"EP*7`I)(&1O;B=T M(&MN;W<@8G5T($D@<&%I9"!F;W(@82!M96UB97)S:&EP(&%N9"!<"F%L;"!) E(&=O="!W87,@82!D86UN960@5"US:&ER="Y<"EP*2V5N=`I]"B!< ` -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: mhamrick@cse.uta.edu (Matt Scott Hamrick) Subject: Newton Connection Kit for Windows & NeXTStep 3.2 Message-ID: <1994Jan20.005244.29443@news.uta.edu> Sender: news@news.uta.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Texas at Arlington Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 00:52:44 GMT Denizens of the Net, If you are planning to rush out and buy the Newton Connection Kit for DOS/ Windows and expect to run it under SoftPC.app / NeXTStep-intel 3.2, *SAVE YOUR MONEY*. IT DOESN'T WORK. Apparently, it will only run under 386Enhanced mode, which doesn't seem to be supported by SoftPC. I'm really not sure who I'm more angry at, Apple or Insignia. Well, actually, I know I'm more angry at Apple. There are very good technical reasons why SoftPC doesn't support 386Enhanced. However, I'm trying to figure out why Apple 'requires' a comm package to run in Enhanced mode. Just another example of Apple showing that they really don't understand the world around them... If there's anyone out there at Apple who reads this list (not very likely), I just want you to know that you just lost a four digit number of sales. Granted, you probably sell that many in Mobile Alabama on an off Sunday... Excuse me please, I've got to go, I've got the AT&T representative on the line who wants to talk to me about thier PDA product line. Hmmm... Oh Really, it's got a Unix compatable comm program? How interesting!... --- Thus Endeth The Flames --- Seriously though, we were looking at some PDAs. Unfortunatly, the Newton will not be in the running until such time as it can successfully run under NeXTStep. I hope that someone at apple who reads this will forward it to the appropriate manager. If at all possible, can you please make the next version of the Connection Kit for DOS/Windows run in something other than 386Enhanced mode. If you're not interested in doing this, can you please release the protocol docs so we can write one ourselves? -- Matthew S. Hamrick |"if sailors came ashore, would the seas forget to roar, System Administrator | would there be a wave to swell? Would Mary lend an ear? Temerlin-McClain | would a Jesus shed a tear in the name of Ishmael?" mhamrick@dallas.bozell.com | --Little Jack Melody and his Young Turks
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,andi.misc From: marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org (Marketing Director) Subject: Exhibits at Dev. Con, Birds of Feather Sessions, Directions Message-ID: <CJzJ4J.HoL@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI, NEXTSTEP,Dev Con Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:02:42 GMT Exhibitors in the Rockville/Annapolis Rooms at the Sheraton: Springer Verlag/TELOS NorthStar Technologies, Inc. Stediwatt Synex,Inc. BlackSmith Professional Software, Inc. Thoughtful Software Ocean Software Auspex Systems and Alembic Systems ANDI Berkeley Productivity Group Hypersight, Inc Show hours are: Tuesday and Wednesday: 10:30am-5:30pm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ Birds of a Feather Sessions Users of AUSPEX Servers Moderator: Andy Watson - AUSPEX email: awatson@auspex.com Monday, January 24, 6:30pm Programming on HP-UX machines and Portable Distributed Objects Development Moderator: Jonathan Lehr - Synex email: jlehr@nextsrv1.andi.org Monday, January 24, 6:30pm Cryptology, NEXTSTEP, and the NeXT Mail App Moderator: M Carling - BlueRose email: m@BlueRose.com Tuesday: January 25, 6:30pm SCSI Adapters vs IDE Controllers Moderator: Joe Ballard - DPT email: DPT.DPT.BALLARD@DPT.COM Tuesday: January 25, 6:30pm Object Oriented Development Tools Moderator: Don Eaves - Hypersight email: deaves@hypersight.com Tuesday: January 25, 6:30pm We have no locations devoted to the BOF sessions. This means we will find an area based upon the number of people who show up. If it is a small number we will use our exhibit area. All BOF participants should come to the Annapolis and Rockville by 6:30pm to find out where the BOFs will be held. Feel free to contact the moderators before hand to help create a better session. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++ Direction to Hotel for Travelers: From Baltimore heading South on I-95 Take I-495 West toward Silver Spring. Take the Connecticut Avenue exit. Turn left at light onto Connecticut. You will drive for about 15 minutes on Connecticut. Turn right on Woodley Rd. The Sheraton Washington Hotel is at 2660 Woodley Road, NW in Washington,DC The Hotel's Phone number is 202-328-2000 From I-270 heading south: Take I-495 East until the Connecticut Ave. exit to Washington, then follow directions beginning at drive 15 minutes. From I-395 heading North. Watch for sign that say MEM Bridge (should be route 27). Go over Lincoln Memorial Bridge and IMMEDIATELY make the first tight right hand exit onto the Rock Creek Parkway. Exit on your left when you see sign for Zoo and Woodley Road. Go straight up hill and through light. Turn Left onto Connecticut, then left again at Woodley. There are lights at each of these intersections and you will see Sheraton on your left. From National Airport: It is about a $15 Cab ride or $2.00 Metro Ride (subway) If you take the Metro. Take the Yellow or Blue Line until it intersects the Red Line. Take the Red Line heading in the Shady Grove direction until you reach Woodley Park stop. From Dulles: It is about a $40-50 cab ride or take the Washington Flyer (cost is $8-15) From Baltimore Airport (BWI): Take Amtrak (MARC Line might also stop there) to Union Station in Washington, DC. Transfer to the Metro Rail. Take the Red Line heading in the Shady Grove direction until you reach Woodley Park stop. --- Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International, Inc. reply to:marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org "Take the NeXTSTEP and Keep on Truckin'..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <bchin.759204947@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <CJy5sG.IMt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 02:15:47 GMT jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: >That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and >open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the >file viewer, rather than in my home directory. There are two ways I know of to do this: 1) in the terminal app, go to Info->Terminal Services... and load the default set of services. One service is "New Shell Here" and will create a new shell where you are in Workspace. 2) (and the one I use all the time) you can drag and drop folders into a terminal window and the path pops up. So you can type cd and then drag and drop a folder into the window and then hit return. This is especially useful since this works for any command (cp, mv, ls, etc.). You can drag and drop folders into open/save panels too. You're right... there usually is a nice shortcut that makes NEXTSTEP so much easier to work with other environments. They are also hard to explain to people using other environments. In addition, it is all the more frustrating when such a shortcut doesn't exist. Maybe we should compile a list ways things should be done - I for one, would like to be able to alt-drag a folder from the shelf w/o it being dragged off. Happy NEXTSTEP'ing... -- Bill Chin - bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Making front window key... Date: 22 Jan 1994 18:28:18 GMT Organization: Compuer Science Undergrad Assoc, UCBerkeley Message-ID: <2hrr82$sev@agate.berkeley.edu> I know that commmand-up arrow and command-down arrow will bring windows to the front, but is there a hot key to make the front window the key window? (Eg, equivelent to clicking on the title bar of the window in the front). This would be very useful when working with multiple files or writing UNIX C code using a shell and editor windows. -- Nick Weaver| If I could draw like the artist, |nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu I would sit, and draw things that could never be. If I could write like the poet, I would sit, and write of things that never were.
From: dwalker@cup.portal.com (David - Walker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Message-ID: <101820@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 16:38:18 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> Hi ...... You could use the DOS command FDISK /MBR (Make Boot Record), I think this will work for you. It may, however, force you to use FDISK to activate the partition you want to use. A time consuming process. If you hear of a better boot manager on the net, let me know. I am in search of one for my NeXT Step Intel machine. -dwalker@shell.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <1994Jan23.002047.7661@hot.com> Keywords: Workspace Manager Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <1994Jan21.191630.16517@altsys.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 00:20:47 GMT A short cut that I'd really like to see in Workspace Manager (WM) is the ability to automatically hide WM after opening a document. i.e. If you Command-Double-Click on a document, WM is hidden and the document is opened. This will make WM much less obtrusive. Are you listening NeXT? Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consultant
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mcafee@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Christopher C. McAfee) Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Message-ID: <1994Jan23.050431.821@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. References: <1994Jan10.153911.14163@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> <2h8m1t$beo@nigel.msen.com> <2hke70$iud@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 05:04:31 GMT In article <2hke70$iud@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu> bill@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge) writes: >>I have to agree! A trivial increase in performance does not justify >>the confusion and annoyance this has created. > >Perhaps Next should have just aliased compress to gzip and >uncompress to gunzip, just as "cc" is an older version of gcc. > >The only big confusion was having to switch from .z to .gz Doesn't Mail.app use compress? So if you sent NeXTmail to someone who didn't alias compress/uncompress as you suggest, Mail.app might use the wrong algorithm to process incoming mail. I'm not sure which algorithms can handle a "gzipped" file... Chris mcafee@cs.stanford.edu
From: zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Date: 23 Jan 1994 08:32:55 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2htcnn$qe6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1994Jan21.191630.16517@altsys.com> <1994Jan23.002047.7661@hot.com> Keywords: Workspace Manager In article <1994Jan23.002047.7661@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: >A short cut that I'd really like to see in Workspace Manager (WM) is HOW ABOUT A WAY TO PRINT MULTIPLE FILES, i.e. A BATCH FILE, WITHOUT HAVING TO RESORT TO COMMAND LINE LPR?! Select x number of files in the workspace, and be able to print them ALL with one touch of the print button. We have been asking for this functionality since 1.0! Every other OS supports this, that I know of. Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets Message-ID: <1994Jan23.065144.5650@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <CJw7JK.9MM@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 06:51:44 GMT In article <CJw7JK.9MM@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: [] > Also, Why not modify the standard Print Pannel to work the way it now > does with Terminal and Stuart; i.e., in addition to "print all" allow > for "print visible" and "print select". If we can "cut and paset" > why can't we "cut and print"? > Paget Press's SwoopN' package has a service app called SwoopNPrint that does this. -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Date: 23 Jan 1994 08:52:42 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401231451.AA04427@cantina.lanl.gov> Bill Chin writes: > I for one, would like to be able to alt-drag > a folder from the shelf w/o it being dragged off. Seconded. All the more annoying, since I like to keep the folder I'm presently working on in the dock on a "semi-permanent" basis. Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 11:39:47 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <AhEeVHC00iV441lEBn@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jan23.050431.821@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 23-Jan-94 Re: GNU *.gz Utility by Christopher McAfee@Xenon > Doesn't Mail.app use compress? So if you sent NeXTmail to someone who > didn't alias compress/uncompress as you suggest, Mail.app might use the > wrong algorithm to process incoming mail. Yes. However, the path is hard-coded in, so you could put gzip in /usr/local/bin ahead of /usr/ucb and get gzip compression by default, but still have Mail.app work. It would be nice if NeXT used gunzip for decompression for Mail.app so that people could switch gzip in if the wanted. > I'm not sure which algorithms can handle a "gzipped" file... Gunzip and maybe unzip, pkunzip (IBM).... -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems --------------------------------------------+ AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | 1. You can't fly. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 2. Cars are always real. NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. --------------------------------------------+ 4. Fire burns.
From: leland@ins.infonet.net (Leland D. Hosford, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, U.S.A.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Eastern Iowa Computer Fair Date: 23 Jan 1994 21:36:54 GMT Organization: INFOnet - Iowa Network Services, Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2huqlm$hij@insosf1.infonet.net> I'm asking for help finding Next user groups or vendors that might be interested in participating in a computer fair. The Eastern Iowa Computer Fair will be held on Saturday March 5th from 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. It is sponsored by the Commo-Hawk Computer Users Group of Cedar Rapids. The average attendance for the past few years has been around 1200. In an effort to have as many computer types represented as possible, we have been trying since the Next came out to find a Next User Group or dealer that would be willing to participate in our fair, so that the people attending would have the opportunity to see what the Next has to offer, side-by-side with other computer brands. Is there anyone out there in Iowa, or the surrounding states, that knows of a Next user group or dealer that would be interested in spending a Saturday showing off their favorite computer to the people attending the fair? I know there are people out there who are excited and interested about what the Next can do, who would be interested in showing others too, but I've been really frustrated the past few years trying to find them. If YOU know of a Next user group or dealer who might be interested in showing off the Next at the Eastern Iowa Computer Fair, please let me know how to contact them. Table rental is $25 per table (if registered before Feb 18th), with User Groups receiving their first table FREE. You can contact me in any of the following ways: e-mail: leland@ins.infonet.net FAX: 319-363-7890 Phone: 319-365-9627 (please before 10:30 PM central time) Thanks, Leland D. Hosford | I have enough trouble just explaining what's on my own leland@ins.infonet.net | mind. How could I presume to speak for anyone else? -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------- ?daeh ym no gnidnats m'I evorp uoy ot nwod-edispu raeppa I gnitressa seoD (-:
From: zaphod!tpg@csn.org (Terry Gliedt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dial in line Date: 23 Jan 1994 17:50:19 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401232345.AA00411@csn.org> I don't seem to be having much success in getting my NeXTstation (NS 3.1) to allow other machines to dial in. I believe the gettytab and ttys files are OK ttys entry: ttydfb "/usr/etc/getty D9600" dialup on I suspect the Zoom faxmodem is not initialized correctly. When I do the 'kill -HUP 1' and getty begins, I see a continual stream of chatting to the modem (RD & SD lights flicker continually). I'm pretty sure this is getty continually trying to put up the login prompt. In reading the Admin pages on setting up a modem, there are several comments about DCD, DTR, and CTS/RTS settings. I've read my modem manual several times over and have been unsuccessful in getting this to work. I'd really appreciate hearing from people on what they have done to get this working. The modem works for callout just fine (e.g. UUCP call out to mail this, for instance). This is my first attempt at dial-in. Thanks in advance for your help. =================================================================== Terry Gliedt zaphod!tpg@csn.org
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NewsIndex0.9: DigLibrarian news article description filter uploaded to cs.orst.edu Date: 24 Jan 1994 01:30:33 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hv8bp$i5i@agate.berkeley.edu> NewsIndex0.9 has been uploaded to cs.orst.edu archive. This is a source/binary (Moto) package of description filter daemon for indexing NewsGrazers articles in DigitalLibrarian (DL). The main purpose of this filter is to extract a good description of each article based on Subject:, From:, and Date: lines to get a title line like: Re: DigitalLibrarian indexing service -- (Joe Poster), Sun, 23 Jan 94 .. so you will see these lines listed when you do DL search of news articles. Without this filter, all you see are filenames of newsarticles and a bit of the first line, which don't tell you much. BTW, this thing works with news articles saved by other news readers, but it assumes that articles are saved in separate files like NewsGrazer does. Code is a quick hack, but it should serve a purpose as a starting point for writing other description filter daemons for DL. This has been submitted to cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions. The compressed file includes all the sources, and binary for Motorola hardware (compiled on 3.2). -r--r--r-- 1 ftp 301 16005 Jan 23 20:07 NewsIndex0.9.compressed % sum NewsIndex0.9.compressed 06340 16 No Copyright is claimed. This program is hereby released into the public domain. Beno t Grang [ben@fizz.fdn.org] distributed a similar daemon free of charge, but no source code was included in the distribution. This version has been developed from scratch by myself, and comes with sources. (Precompiled binary has been tested only under 3.2 Motorola. With recompile, it should work for Releases 3.x.) -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: sendmail aliases problem Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: 23 Jan 94 12:21:11 PST Message-ID: <1994Jan23.122111.6750@crash> References: <1994Jan21.190757.10660@crash> Brian Dear (coconut@crash.cts.com) wrote: : : I've noticed something strange is going on, all of a sudden, with my : NeXTcube system running NS3.2... when I type "newaliases" it comes : back and complains about each and every line of the /etc/sendmail/aliases : file... for example: : : /etc/sendmail/aliases: line 14: cannot alias non-local names : /etc/sendmail/aliases: line 18: cannot alias non-local names : /etc/sendmail/aliases: line 19: cannot alias non-local names : /etc/sendmail/aliases: line 23: cannot alias non-local names : : ... well, you get the idea... : : This just started happening. What's the problem? : : : I have to assume it is related to an email problem our coconut.com has : started having... email looping back on itself when it arrives at our : site... we get messages such as... : : -----Transcript of session follows----- : While connected to mailhost: : >>> HELO coconut.coconut.com : <<< 553 coconut.coconut.com config error: mail loops back to myself : 554 brian... 554 service unavailable : ---------------------------------------------- : : Similar messages are filling up in /usr/spool/uucp/D.xxxxxxxx... each : time our NeXTcube dials its mail forwarding system, this file grows. It : seems anyone who sends mail to us now gets it returned as undeliverable... : : Help would be greatly appreciated! Please reply to this note in : comp.sys.next.misc, as my mail is broken! :-) : : -- bd : : * brian dear / coconut computing, inc. * : : Does anyone, anyone at all, have any suggestions or advice regarding this problem? It's pretty serious, i.e., we cannot receive any email! Any advice or suggestions regarding what the "newaliases" problem and the other problem are caused by would be greatly appreciated! Really! :-) -- bd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <1994Jan23.214926.9421@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <2htcnn$qe6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 21:49:26 GMT While I agree with you that this should be part of NEXTSTEP, I'd like to point out that Pinnacle Research has a product called "PageChain" that does that. Disclaimer: I have not used it so I can not recommend it. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consultant In article <2htcnn$qe6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > In article <1994Jan23.002047.7661@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > >A short cut that I'd really like to see in Workspace Manager (WM) is > > HOW ABOUT A WAY TO PRINT MULTIPLE FILES, i.e. A BATCH FILE, WITHOUT HAVING > TO RESORT TO COMMAND LINE LPR?! Select x number of files in the workspace, > and be able to print them ALL with one touch of the print button. We have been > asking for this functionality since 1.0! Every other OS supports this, that I > know of. > > Eric > >
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: sendmail aliases problem Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 00:50:57 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <UhEq71_00iV2E=MZlb@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jan23.122111.6750@crash> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 23-Jan-94 Re: sendmail aliases problem by Brian Dear@crash.cts.com > Does anyone, anyone at all, have any suggestions or advice regarding > this problem? It's pretty serious, i.e., we cannot receive any email! > Any advice or suggestions regarding what the "newaliases" problem and > the other problem are caused by would be greatly appreciated! Really! :-) Problems like these are generally caused by setting up your NetInfo database incorrectly. Try using the various networking utilities (HostManager or NetInfoManager) to change your machines' name to a fully qualified domain name. My machine is: "cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu" (just "cswiger" is *not* an acceptable machine name!) for example; presumably your would be "coconut.coconut.com" or whatever. Make sure that the info in /etc/hostconfig matches the info in NetInfo. Make sure that you have your machine's name with an alias to "localhost". -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems --------------------------------------------+ AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | 1. You can't fly. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 2. Cars are always real. NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. --------------------------------------------+ 4. Fire burns.
From: lipton@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Jim Lipton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Date: 24 Jan 1994 06:38:54 GMT Organization: Wesleyan University Message-ID: <2hvqdu$p1q@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <9401231451.AA04427@cantina.lanl.gov> Does anyone know of a way to have a window become active just by placingthe mouse cursor on it, withought clicking (this feature can be switched on with a variable called something like autoFocus in the twm window manager for X-windows). emacs-19-for-next has this feature as a toggle, but it only raises the window without focussing it (making the titlebar black and the window active). Thanks. Jim Lipton ===================================================================== Dept. of Mathematics, Wesleyan University, Middletown CT 06459-0128 (203) 347-9411 e-mail: jlipton@eagle.wesleyan.edu =====================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <OHCLB78U@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1994Jan21.145258.8867@gleap.sccsi.com> <CJzqA9.CK5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 12:23:30 GMT Jon Haveman (jon@mgmt.purdue.edu) wrote: > > >That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and > > >open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the > > >file viewer, rather than in my home directory. [munch] you can also drag the folder onto Terminal.app's icon, press command, and there you are! Ciao, Stephan -- trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Erik Dasque Subject: Re: Cyrillic font, Russian KB for NeXT? Message-ID: <1994Jan23.151813.334@joker.fdn.org> Sender: ed@joker.fdn.org (Erik Dasque) Organization: French Guy Corp. - Paris, France. References: <1994Jan12.164753.13590@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 15:18:13 GMT In article <1994Jan12.164753.13590@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> sdavis@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis) writes: > > Greetings! > > Does anyone know of a Cyrillic font package available for NeXTstep computers? > I'm using a NSTC. Also, is there a specific Russian keyboard mapping > available? > ..... try Talus Corporation @ 713 561 0700 (fax is 713 561 5428, I believe) If my memory serves me right... Smiling Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" only SMALL NeXTMAIL pleeeeease... ed@joker.fdn.org "Microsoft doesn't exist."
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GNU *.gz Utility Date: 24 Jan 1994 18:02:09 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2i12f1$9p4@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <AhEeVHC00iV441lEBn@andrew.cmu.edu> >> > I'm not sure which algorithms can handle a "gzipped" file... >> Gunzip and maybe unzip, pkunzip (IBM).... Nope on the second two. Info-zip's unzip does not handle gzip files, though gzip will extract the *first* entry of a zip file if you ask nicely. PKWare's pkunzip know's nothing about the gzip format. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: leakeb@icomsim.com (Brian Leake) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets - Jack In The Box Message-ID: <1994Jan19.234125.4387@icomsim.com> Sender: usenet@icomsim.com (USENET News System) Organization: Icom Simulations References: <1994Jan16.150829.9142@ToTSySSoft.com> Distribution: comp Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 23:41:25 GMT Tst tst, I suprised that nobody has posted the following hidden secret for the Configure app on NEXTSTEP for Intel - Bring up the Info panel for Configure.app, Press both Alternate Keys simulataneously and double-click the PC icon within the Info panel. Ta-da! For your delight and delectation. I know Steve abhors this stuff, but I think it's great! We should see more of this kind of thing. - Brian. -- Brian Leake, Senior Software Engineer | NEXTSTEPmail Viacom New Media, Inc. Chicago | very welcome! Phone: 708 520 4440 ext. 459. | All comments are personal only. Fax: 708 459 3418 | "make it so..."
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 24 Jan 1994 15:32:36 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2i1b94$ba7@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe The ftp sites ------------- cs.orst.edu: The main site for North American submissions nova.cc.purdue.edu: Lots of older stuff, but very short on disk space ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: In Germany. terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) and cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp.next.com: See the below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ------------------------------------- From the document 1000_Help from ftp.next.com Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, or you can transfer them by anonymous ftp. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to NeXTanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO <your-address> If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Sender: news@prz.tu-berlin.de (Newsadmin Elwood-PRZ) Message-ID: <1994Jan24.220936.14532@prz.tu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 22:09:36 GMT References: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> <1994Jan20.185634.4025@ToTSySSoft.com> <Jan.21.15.43.24.1994.3366@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: PRZ TU-Berlin John Kheit (kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu) wrote: > rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) writes: > >One person I now installed his Dos it trashed the next boot manager. > >then he installed his OS/2 and the os 2 boot manager could boot any of the > >three > Do any boot managers exist that can not only boot onto a different partitions, > but onto another drive? This would be a terrific program, somebody has to > make something like this. It would save a lot of time... Yes, "O/S Boot Select" (os-bs) version 2.0 Beta 8 can do it. That means it can load the (second stage) boot sector of an operating system from a second disk to memory and execute it. The problem is, that most operating systems (except Linux and NetBSD as far as I know) including NSI are not able to start correctly from a second disk. Thomas PS: os-bs is available from ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de under /pub/pc/os-bs. It's called os-bsBETA.exe and a self-extracting archive running under DOS. There is also the simpler older version v1.35 which is sufficient in the most cases (it's os-bs135.exe). -- Thomas Wolfram <thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de> Germany: 0 30 31421171 PRZ TU Berlin (EANTC) <wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de> abroad: +49 30 31421171 _____________________________________________________________________________ _____S__I__C____T__R__A__N__S__I__T____G__L__O__R__I__A____M__U__N__D__I_____
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fxdlk@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (A Figment of your Imagination) Subject: WWarchive ftp on 3.1 Message-ID: <1994Jan24.224124.11326@raven.alaska.edu> Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 22:41:24 GMT Has anyone here gotten FTP server (Version wu-2.1c(2) to work on next system release 3.1 ? I had it working on 3.0 then we upgraded our system and now I keep getting User access denied. messages for all user id's including anonymous when I try to login through ftp. Everything seems to be set up correctally, I even recompiled the code under the new system. Please mail me if you have it working under that system so I can figure out if its a system problem or some error on my part Thanks. Please send all replies directaly to Email, Thanks. Bitnet: Fsdlk@alaska.bitnet Internet: Fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu NeXT Mail: fxdlk@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ ........... ....... . . . ~ ~ . . . Nasha tai no kasei! . . ~ ~ ... ....... . . ~ ~ . . Prosperity and Long Life, To You. ~ ~ .... xisting . hantom . . ~ ~ . . ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: sutharo@emunix.emich.edu (Sumnuk Sutharoskajornchai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IRQ Conflict on COM ports Date: 24 Jan 1994 17:52:35 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401242354.AA11916@emunix.emich.edu> I having problem with conflicting IRQ setting. I have Gateway 2000 486dx2 66VLB. It bios is Phoenix version .10GLB05. Motherboard: Micronics My current setting of COM port is: COM1 (default address): IRQ 4 (MS Mouse) COM2 (default address): IRQ 3 (Intel Internal FaxModem 14,400/14,000 I disable the on board COM2. Someone suggested me to buy BUS mouse and configure my FaxModem as COM1 so that I can use modem in NeXT. I would like to know is anyone has any other alternatives. I currently running NeXT 3.2. ----- Please e-mail me at: sutharo@emunix.emich.edu Thank You.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: *** HSD SPELL FOR NeXT COMPUTERS-- ONLY $19.95 *** Message-ID: <CK5JyB.6CI@beach.com> Sender: dpeter@beach.com (David Peter) Organization: HSD U.S. Inc., S.D. Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 21:06:11 GMT *** HSD SPELL FOR NeXT "BLACK" HARDWARE--ONLY $19.95 *** HSD currently has excess inventory of HSD SPELL for NeXT "black" hardware, running NS 3.0 or higher. As our fiscal year comes to an end, we are offering these copies of HSD SPELL, while supplies last, at the discount price of $19.95 per copy, plus shipping and handling. *** INCLUDES ENGLISH (U.K. & U.S.) AND ONE OTHER LANGUAGE *** HSD Spell is the international spelling software for NEXTSTEP that automatically integrates multiple language spelling capabilities into your existing applications. HSD spell can also be used as a stand-alone application or accessed as a "Service" from other applications. HSD Spell supports 11 international languages including Danish, Dutch, English (U.S. and U.K), Finnish, French, German, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Spanish and Swedish. (Press release with additional info at end of message.) *** WHY ONLY $19.95? *** Previously, HSD SPELL was shipped on two extended density (2.8MB each) disks, which can only be used in a NeXT computer. Rather than opening the packages and duplicating new disks which can be used on Intel based computers as well, we've decided to offer them as they are for use on "black" hardware and pass the savings on to you. This is a one-time opportunity to purchase the leading spell checker for NEXTSTEP at an incredibly low price. *** NEXTSTEP INTEL USERS CAN SAVE TOO--$49 UPGRADE *** The retail price for the Intel version of HSD SPELL is $149, but registered owners of HSD SPELL for "black" hardware can purchase the upgrade for only $49. Total cost for the Intel version during this offer is $68.95, a savings of over 50%! Orders will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis, while supplies last. To order, complete the information below and mail or fax your order to HSD at: Email: sales@hsd.com Fax: (408) 774-1402 Shipping and Billing Information: Company Name: ____________________________________ Contact Name: ____________________________________ Address: _________________________________________ Address: _________________________________________ City: ____________________________________________ State: ___________________________________________ Postal Code: _____________________________________ Country: _________________________________________ Phone: ___________________________________________ Fax: _____________________________________________ Email: ___________________________________________ Product and Quantity: HSD SPELL FOR BLACK HARDWARE ______ @ $19.95 HSD SPELL FOR INTEL ______ @ $68.95 Shipping--$4.95 per copy. Method of Payment: Credit Card: (Visa, MasterCard or Amex) Card Number: _____________________________________ Name on Card: ____________________________________ Expiration Date: ________________________________ COD Company Check or Cashiers Check ______________ ------------------- HSD SPELL PRODUCT INFO ---------------------- SUNNYVALE, January 24, 1993 HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. today announced a special promotional price of $19.95 for HSD Spell, its international spell checker for NEXTSTEP that supports 11 languages.The version being offered at the promotional price can be used on NeXT computers running NEXTSTEP 3.0 or higher. NEXTSTEP Intel user can purchase an upgrade for $49. HSD SPELL has a suggested retail price is $149, which includes two language dictionaries--English (U.K. and U.S.) and one other. Additional languages can be purchased for $99 each. Languages currently supported include Danish, Dutch, English (U.K. and U.S.), Finnish, French, German, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Spanish and Swedish. The version of HSD Spell being offered at the promotional price is shipped on two extended density disks which contain the HSD Spell application and all 11 language dictionaries. The HSD Spell application menu contains a choice for installing additional languages, which can be unlocked after purchasing an activation code from HSD. HSD President David Peter noted that HSD Spell is tightly integrated into the NeXTSTEP 3.0 (or higher) operating system so that users can check spelling directly from the spelling panel built into most NEXTSTEP applications. Many applications utilize the speller built into NeXTSTEP 3.0 or higher. HSD Spell automatically incorporates installed languages into this panel so they can be accessed directly, Peter said. In applications that do not support the NeXTSTEP speller, text can be imported via the Services menu into the HSD Spell application to check spelling or perform a variety of common text editing functions. HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. was founded in 1989 and has offices in Sunnyvale and San Diego. Today HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc is a leading supplier of hardware and software products for Macintosh and NEXTSTEP. HSD's main office is located at 1095 East Duane Ave., Suite 209, Sunnyvale, CA 94086. Phone (408) 774-1400, Fax (408) 774-1402, Email: sales@hsd.com. -- Sincerely, David W. Peter HSD Inc.
From: leuschr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Rainer Leuschke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets - Jack In The Box Date: 25 Jan 1994 02:27:57 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Distribution: comp Message-ID: <2i203d$o38@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1994Jan19.234125.4387@icomsim.com> In article <1994Jan19.234125.4387@icomsim.com> leakeb@icomsim.com (Brian Leake) writes: > Press both Alternate Keys simulataneously and double-click the PC icon within > the Info panel. > How the heck can you do that? I can't grab both alternate keys with a single hand, so end up using the right hand for the key and the double-click!?! Maybe it should stay a secret so nobody gets sued for broken fingers. :-) Rainer -- Rainer Leuschke leuschr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu __o Box #781, 5500 Wabash Ave, Terre Haute, IN 47803, USA _`\<,_ "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod." (_)/ (_)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: pluther@percy.rain.com (Pat Luther) Subject: connecting PC to NeXT Organization: /etc/organization Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 00:44:55 GMT Message-ID: <CK5u2v.9zA@percy.rain.com> Help! Can anyone suggest what software I need, and where to get it? (PD or shareware is preferred, but commercial is not out of the question....) I have a 386 clone, running MS-DOS 5.0, and it has an ethernet card. I want it to talk to my Unix machine (NeXT '030 cube, NS2.0) (runs Berkeley unix 4.3) (The idea eventually is that I, or someone else, can call in to the PC and access the internet through the SLIP connection on the NeXT. Also, files will need to be readily shared back and forth between the two, but I think that will be the easy part...) Thanks in Advance, ??pat -- Pat Luther: Lex's Evil Twin picard!pat@percy.rain.com <-- NeXTmail OK. pluther@percy.rain.com (sometimes quicker) n518@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Best one yet) "If there's nothing wrong with me, then maybe there's something wrong with the universe!" -- Dr. B. Crusher
From: jamie@lard.ftp.com (Jamie O'Keefe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Stolen equipment :-( Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 16:25:13 Organization: FTP Software, North Andover, Massachusetts Message-ID: <940124162513@pericles.ftp.com> Keywords: Stolen, NeXT, clearing house NNTP-Software: PC/TCP NNTP Jim Gammill, a longtime member of BCS NeXT had his Turbo ColorStation and monitor stolen a week ago. If anyone sees the items mentioned below around or on the net, please contact Shawn Broderick <tmc!shawn@uunet.uu.net> (and perhaps local authorities!). Also, does anyone remember if there's some clearinghouse of stolen equipment serial numbers? I thought that something like this existed many moons ago, but I'm not sure it's still around. Turbo ColorStation ABC0016053 21" Color Megapixel 9200322 SoundBox StartingPoint Kit HSD Scan-X Pro Color SN1312576 - shawn jamie -- Jamie O'Keefe Director Boston Computer Society NeXT User Group QA Group Leader FTP Software, Inc.
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de Message-ID: <Jan.25.11.18.30.1994.27882@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 25 Jan 94 16:18:30 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. My school cannot find this ftp site. Could some one post the numerical address? It seems to be a nice NeXT archive site. Thanks, Later, John
From: jkeenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Date: 19 Jan 1994 20:41:45 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2hk5u9$i5l@rosie.next.com> References: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> In article <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John "Kzin" Rudd) writes: > > I'm curious what you have to do to get rid of NEXTSTEP boot manager > on NS/Intel. I changed my active partion to another partition..but > I still get the NS boot manager. Isn't this in the FAQ yet? To overwrite the NS booter with the DOS silent booter, boot DOS and do "fdisk /mbr". This tells fdisk to write a new "master boot record". joe #include <std.disclaimer>
From: arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT World EXPO Date: 25 Jan 1994 18:50:12 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <2i3pl4$mja@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <759001608snz@testppp.demon.co.uk> In article <759001608snz@testppp.demon.co.uk> demo@testppp.demon.co.uk (George Shaw) writes: > Could anyone post or direct me to details of the NeXT World EXPO 1994. > (Dates, Contacts etc.) > The NeXTworld Expo is scheduled for the week of 6/20/94. -- Dr. Noam Arzt 215/898-3029 (voice) Director, Finance, Administration & Systems 215/898-9348 (FAX) University of Pennsylvania arzt@dccs.upenn.edu Data Communications & Computing Services (NeXTmail is OK) Suite 221A, 3401 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: undos or some such beast Date: 25 Jan 1994 20:09:38 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <2i3ua2$994@news.tamu.edu> Hola, I used to have a script that stripped all of the DOS crud out of text files (before I accidently deleted my Apps directory 8-( ). Does anyone have such a beast laying around that they'd be willing to share? I through one together late last night, but it's not very fancy. (read: I'm not real good at this.) -- Bryan Milligan bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu ---- My views are just that. ----
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Does Apple CD150 work with white hw? Date: 25 Jan 1994 21:23:12 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2i42k0$pf2@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hi, I'm getting an Intel setup soon, and want to know if anyone elso has an Apple CD150 cdrom drive and Intel hw. I was using the drive with a Turbo. Thanks Robert de Lucca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <CK7Fnq.FA0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <OHCLB78U@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 21:28:36 GMT In article <OHCLB78U@gwdu03.gwdg.de> trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) writes: > Jon Haveman (jon@mgmt.purdue.edu) wrote: > > > >That particular thing is to be looking at the file viewer and > > > >open up a terminal that has me in the directory highlighted by the > > > >file viewer, rather than in my home directory. > [munch] > > you can also drag the folder onto Terminal.app's icon, press command, > and there you are! > > Ciao, Stephan > -- > trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de Doesn't seem to work with 3.0. It opens a window, but just in the home directory. cheers - Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: Using ISO9660 CDROM on NeXT, Exporting thru NFS Message-ID: <1994Jan25.174827.27525@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Distribution: na Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 17:48:27 GMT Ok, this problem has gone on for quite some time. I have found that while I can mount and read locally an ISO9660 formatted CD-ROM (an MSDOS CD), when I export it, it fails to export properly. Is there any way that I can fool the system by setting up a link or something that will allow it to read locally and export as if it were a hard drive or just another directory, instead of a CD-ROM? I really would like to be able to access this CD-ROM from my PC, which does not have a CD-ROM drive on it. (My bosses are too cheap to buy me one!) Any replies are appreciated. -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ISDN support via DSP? Date: 25 Jan 1994 23:47:58 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2i4b3e$qm@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Hayes still offers their ISDN adapter for $349, but says that no software is included, even though it connects to the DSP port. This doesn't sound right, so I'm looking for people who have used the device, and/or have or know of third party software offerings to use the device. Thanks in advance -- NeXTmail replys welcome! Timothy E. Cushing tec@alta.com tec@alumni.cco.caltech.edu forwarded to alta.com
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NEXTSTEP 3.2 upgrade: Mouse problem! Date: 26 Jan 1994 00:18:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2i4crs$q0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Today I finally upgraded my ALR Evolution to 3.2. The upgrade went relatively smoothly. However, now my Mouse (a PS/2 mouse) feels very sluggish, somewhat like I remember a serial mouse feels. It used to be very fast and smooth before the upgrade. Now it is really hard to work with. Has anyone else made that observation? Is there a solution? Any help is gladly appreciated, Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jblatt@aixesa.csc.wsu.edu (Jeffrey W. Blatt) Subject: Sneakernet NeXTMail to a NeXT Message-ID: <1994Jan25.234602.4989@serval.net.wsu.edu> Originator: jblatt@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 23:46:02 GMT My NeXT is not hooked up to the net. Is there a way to manually transfere NeXTMail messages from a Non-NeXT machine to a NeXT machine? -- jeffski - jblatt@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: rob@brewster.demon.co.uk (Rob Heyes) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 upgrade: Mouse problem! References: <2i4crs$q0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Kallisti Systems Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 01:47:54 +0000 Message-ID: <759574074snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <2i4crs$q0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > > Today I finally upgraded my ALR Evolution to 3.2. The upgrade > went relatively smoothly. > > However, now my Mouse (a PS/2 mouse) feels very sluggish, > somewhat like I remember a serial mouse feels. It used to > be very fast and smooth before the upgrade. > Now it is really hard to work with. > > Has anyone else made that observation? Is there a solution? > > Any help is gladly appreciated, > I just upgraded to 3.2 myself and found that my serial mouse was a lot faster than it used to be! I had a look in Configure.app and noticed that there was a new option for the serial mouse to set the resolution - adjusting this fixed my problem - perhaps there is a similar setting for the PS/2 mouse? Rob Heyes
From: jacobsen@arundel.doit.wisc.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sneakernet NeXTMail to a NeXT Date: 26 Jan 1994 02:11:55 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Message-ID: <2i4jhb$r9v@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <1994Jan25.234602.4989@serval.net.wsu.edu> In article <1994Jan25.234602.4989@serval.net.wsu.edu> jblatt@aixesa.csc.wsu.edu (Jeffrey W. Blatt) writes: > My NeXT is not hooked up to the net. Is there a way to manually > transfere NeXTMail messages from a Non-NeXT machine to a NeXT machine? > > > -- > jeffski - > jblatt@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu Sure! Just move "/usr/spool/mail/REMOTE_LOGIN" to "/usr/spool/mail/LOCAL_LOGIN" where REMOTE_LOGIN is your login on the remote machine and LOCAL_LOGIN is your login on the machine you want to read your mail. For example: Remote machine: cp /usr/spool/mail/jacobsen1 /floppy Local machine: cp /floppy/jacobsen1 /usr/spool/mail/jacobsen2 Where you replace jacobsen1 by your remote login and jacobsen2 by your local login. Then fire up Mail.app and check for new mail. Please note that this will not work if you have already read your mail on the non-NeXT machine. When you read your mail it is moved from "/usr/spool/mail/LOGIN" to another file. Hope this helps. Erik jacobsen@cae.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: We'll need a news app soon... Message-ID: <1994Jan25.153239.7848@afs.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 15:32:39 GMT Beginning with NS3.0, things started to break in Newsgrazer. It ain't gonna get any better as time goes on. I don't want to go back to rn. Where's the next news app coming from? Did Newsgrazer Pro ever ship? Anything new in the public domain? Does anybody know anything? I sure don't ;-). Thanx, Michael -- Michael_Pizolato@afs.com "Schopenhauer's not as optimistic as Nietzsche, NeXTMail accepted but he makes up for it by being less cheerful than Kierkegaard." - Kim Pizolato
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ericw@its.com (Eric Wespestad) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <1994Jan25.171458.4484@its.com> Sender: usenet@its.com Organization: Information Technology Solutions References: <1994Jan23.214926.9421@hot.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 17:14:58 GMT In article <1994Jan23.214926.9421@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > While I agree with you that this should be part of NEXTSTEP, I'd like > to point out that Pinnacle Research has a product called "PageChain" > that does that. Disclaimer: I have not used it so I can not > recommend it. > > Robert La Ferla > Hot Technologies > NEXTSTEP ISV and Consultant > > [other text deleted] I have used it a lot - and would **highly** recommend it - it's one of the most truely useful NEXTSTEP applications available if you collate and fax/print information from multiple sources a lot. It's kind of like the FrameMaker(tm) Book feature, but it works for all applications - accepting not only .ps files, but .eps, .tiff, .fax, .rtf, .rtfd, and ascii. PageChain documents can contain references, or actual copies of document components.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jerald@mrk.com (Jerald Dawson) Subject: Lastest NewsGrazer Version Message-ID: <1994Jan25.155545.1247@mrk.com> Sender: jerald@mrk.com Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 15:55:45 GMT Hi all, I'm currently running Release 2.0 Version 72.3 of NewsGrazer that I got off the Big Green CD 2. What is the lastest version and how can I get it. If someone could e-mail it to me that would be great. thanx -- jerald dawson Systems Manager / Head Programmer Investor's Advantage / MRK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org Subject: Hi there! Message-ID: <1994Jan25.203731.534@icare.fdn.org> Sender: news@icare.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Levallois, France. Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 20:37:31 GMT Hello you dear netters Fortunately, I am back on the Net Cheers Happy new year !! BB --------------------------- Bruno Brottier 37 rue Chaptal 92300 LEVALLOIS PERRET E-mail: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org -- [NeXTmail] ---------------------------
From: william@MathWorks.COM (Bill York) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Memory limitations - what are they? Date: 25 Jan 1994 22:54:48 -0500 Organization: The MathWorks, Inc., Natick, MA 01760 Message-ID: <2i4pi8$gvk@puff.MathWorks.Com> Hi all, what are the memory limitations of various OS's running on these three platforms? NeXT / NeXTStep PC / Windows / Windows NT / OS2 Mac Bill Any help appreciated... -- William York william@mathworks.com
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IRQ Conflict on COM ports Date: 25 Jan 1994 20:59:41 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2i417t$cua@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <9401242354.AA11916@emunix.emich.edu> In article <9401242354.AA11916@emunix.emich.edu>, Sumnuk Sutharoskajornchai <sutharo@emunix.emich.edu> wrote: > I having problem with conflicting IRQ setting. I have >Gateway 2000 486dx2 66VLB. It bios is Phoenix version .10GLB05. >Motherboard: Micronics >My current setting of COM port is: > COM1 (default address): IRQ 4 (MS Mouse) > COM2 (default address): IRQ 3 (Intel Internal FaxModem 14,400/14,000 >I disable the on board COM2. Someone suggested me to buy BUS mouse >and configure my FaxModem as COM1 so that I can use modem in NeXT. >I would like to know is anyone has any other alternatives. I currently >running NeXT 3.2. If configure is reporting the conflict, I'd suggest ignoring it and try saving the configuration anyway. I recall seeing a similiar erroneous message after I upgraded to 3.2. I think this should work, but I do recall that NS supposedly handles only on board com lines. I don't think anyone has had a serious problem with add on boards, provided they disabled the on-board com line. Can you give us some more details? -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: matthewm@sgate.com (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA PUBLISHING: What *really* happened! (long)A Date: 23 Jan 1994 20:47:55 -0500 Organization: Collins International Services Company Message-ID: <2hv9cb$dp1@sgate.com> References: <dcodeCJJ0nA.Aqp@netcom.com> <CJruHF.9B@zoodle.robin.de> In article <CJruHF.9B@zoodle.robin.de> uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) writes: >"Dear Sir, The above invoice [79.95 $ - even though I took the 100 $ two years >offer] still remains unpaid by you. When I started shipping the CD-ROM's you >promised me that you will pay once you get the CDs. But unfortunately I have >not received a payment so far. So please pay me. This is a one man company and >your small payments means a lot to me. If you think this is a mistake please >contact me [I did so]." Wow. I thought that little plea at the bottom was a personal note. I got the same thing. (I told them to cancel the damn order after receiving an invoice but no CD; about a month or so after I told them to cancel, a CD shows up. I have yet to open it. I offered to either ship the sucker back or pay for *ONE* CD, but they're far too unreliable to try to get some sort of long term subscription out of them.) >I have to repeat Volker's pleading: >"Could someone please beat them up for me ;-)?" Aw, heck, Uli.. violence isn't the answer here... He just needs a brain, that's all. >Uli >P.S.: Reconsidering I also don't like the way my subscription started - I >emailed Jay for more info and instead of info I received the first CD together >with the offers to subscribe. Why was I so silly to do so? ARGH! That sounds almost illegal. ------ Mike Matthews, Mike_Matthews@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. -- Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Message-ID: <1994Jan26.115904.29671@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany References: <OHCLB78U@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <CK7Fnq.FA0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 11:59:04 GMT Jon Haveman (jon@mgmt.purdue.edu) wrote: : In article <OHCLB78U@gwdu03.gwdg.de> trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de : (Stephan Trebels) writes: : > you can also drag the folder onto Terminal.app's icon, press command, : > and there you are! : > : > Ciao, Stephan ... : Doesn't seem to work with 3.0. It opens a window, but just in the : home directory. Same with 3.1/Moto. Opens a new shell in the home directory. Do we have the use a startup file in Terminal preferences ? Gregor | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sneakernet NeXTMail to a NeXT Date: 26 Jan 1994 08:50:57 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401261449.AA06065@cantina.lanl.gov> Jeffrey Blatt wrote: My NeXT is not hooked up to the net. Is there a way to manually transfer NeXTMail messages from a Non-NeXT machine to a NeXT machine? What I do (learned with help from this group) is create a file named, say, "sneaker.mbox" on the (Unix) diskette, mount it so it is seen in the Browser, and link it in (<ctl-drag>) as a New Mailbox (<cmd-M>) in Mail on your on-net machine. Then (if the diskette is mounted), you can regularly use the Transfer button to move things to (that) diskette to carry away to your off-net machine. Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dal@netcom.com (Dana Andre Letendre) Subject: Re: Sneakernet NeXTMail to a NeXT Message-ID: <dalCK8yqH.GLv@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1994Jan25.234602.4989@serval.net.wsu.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 17:18:17 GMT Here's another question: How do you send Nextmail from a Next to a networked machine? -- --- Dana Letendre | My opinions may or may not reflect those NeXT System Administrator | of my employer. and Sr. Financial Analyst | Bank of America |
From: shepherd@suite.com (Scot Shepherd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sendmail on NS 3.0 Message-ID: <2i39t3$msh@bilbo.suite.com> Date: 25 Jan 94 14:21:23 GMT References: <2hm1es$rd@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> Organization: Suite Software In article <2hm1es$rd@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> ccx009@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) writes: > > IS there a version of sendmail for NeXT's (68040 Black h/w) that works? > I have a lab of NS 3.0 machines and when I attempted to put a new sendmail.cf > on the main gateway machine (one which functions fine on Suns,Decs,SGI's > Sequents, etc.), it makes an absolute nonsense of the rules.... > > Where can I get a version of sendmail that works? > > thanks for any info. > -- > _ > /-\dam > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > FLESH: Adam Bentley (Fraggle), Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK > INET : adamb@rowan.coventry.ac.uk Have you tried using the files sendmail.mailhost.cf for your gateway machine and sendmail.sharedsubsidiary.cf for your other Nexts as explained in the Digital Libraian. They do work with minor tweeking on the mailhosts file to accomodate your net specifics... Scot
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: os-bs Intel boot manager Message-ID: <Jan.26.13.04.17.1994.822@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 26 Jan 94 18:04:17 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi All, Im trying to find a particular boot manager--its called os-bs and it can be found (at least) at ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de under /bu/pc/os-bs. The problem is the link is so slow its not usable from my location. I was wondering if anyone out there already has this app and wouldn't mind next mailing me a copy...If you could send me a note saying you have it and if I want it, you'll NeXTmail it to me (That way I wont get a zillion copies of it, killing bandwidth)...That would be great. Or if anyone knows where I might find a copy of it at a US archive site that, too would be great. I already looked at umich and fuarchive and didnt see it. Thanks for any help in advance. Later, John
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Shortcut that I would find really handy Date: 26 Jan 1994 14:59:55 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2i60hb$14j@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <OHCLB78U@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <CK7Fnq.FA0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1994Jan26.115904.29671@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >Jon Haveman (jon@mgmt.purdue.edu) wrote: >: In article <OHCLB78U@gwdu03.gwdg.de> trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de >: (Stephan Trebels) writes: >: > you can also drag the folder onto Terminal.app's icon, press command, >: > and there you are! >: > >: > Ciao, Stephan >... >: Doesn't seem to work with 3.0. It opens a window, but just in the >: home directory. > >Same with 3.1/Moto. Opens a new shell in the home directory. Do we have >the use a startup file in Terminal preferences ? No in 3.1 it doesn't. The "press command" was a poor way of describing command-dragging. Try holding down command and drag a folder over the terminal icon. Release command after mouse button. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "Nothing" Charade, 1963 robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (ASCII for text only messages)
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: question on SciPlot - Help? Date: 26 Jan 1994 14:50:36 -0500 Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Message-ID: <2i6hicINN1rm@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Hello I have a question with regard to the NS SciPlot package: I am REAL new to SciPlot, so my apologies if this question seems REAL basic : We have a series of graphs on 8.5" x 11" paper - we would like to be able to scan the graphs in to a tiff file and then use SciPlot to pick the points from the graphs and output to an ascii file the numerical value of the data point. From this description does it seem like the right type of project for SciPlot? Thanks for looking this over. Bob Kurhajetz ---------------------------------------------------- + Bob Kurhajetz (bob@monet.dt.navy.mil) + Department of the Navy + CD NSWC + Code 3410 + Media Services + Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 + voice 301.227.4311 + fax 301.227.3360 + autovon 287.4311 + NeXTmail rk@priscilla.dt.navy.mil ===================================================== + "Objects in mirror are closer than they appear" + =====================================================
From: halli@blondie.STD.Teradyne.COM (Kenn Halliwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sun to NeXT data transfer Date: 26 Jan 1994 15:06:10 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401262105.AA00694@blondie.std.teradyne.com> I'm trying to find a source for transferring data from a 1/4" tape cartridge generated on a Sun workstation to an optical drive on a NeXT. What I think I need is a Sun/RS6000/DG Avion on a network along with a NeXT with the optical drive. ftp the data Sun-to-NeXT, etc. Does anyone have this capability or know of a service that does? Is there any way to mount a hard drive from a Sun on a NeXT. That is, can I take a hard drive that has been formatted and file system'd by a Sun, plug it into a NeXT, and have the NeXT access it? If you say yes, have you done it? Last question. Does the NeXT have support for a QIC-150 tape drive? Could I take my Sun`s tape drive to the NeXT and expect it to work? If you say yes, have you done it? If you can answer these questions or direct me to some one who can, I'd be most grateful. John FusionGraphics reply to: fusiong@std.teradyne.com /*all other addresses do not work
From: karl_rit@news.delphi.com (KARL_RITTER@DELPHI.COM) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tymnet for EC, Japan needed Date: 26 Jan 1994 13:47:42 -0500 Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Message-ID: <2i6dse$225@news.delphi.com> Summary: tymnet for EC, Japan needed Keywords: tymnet We are finishing up NewsMan 2.0 and need to test the software in Europe and Japan. NewsMan accesses Dow Jones News/Retrieval through Tymnet and we need local Tymnet phone numbers for the following countries to test the connection. Germany, Austria, Italy, Switzerland, England and Japan Please email information to karl@oec.com Karlheinz Ritter Zhivago Software
From: halli@blondie.STD.Teradyne.COM (Kenn Halliwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Sun to NeXT data transfer Date: 26 Jan 1994 15:29:49 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401262129.AA00730@blondie.std.teradyne.com> I'm trying to find a source for transferring data from a 1/4" tape cartridge generated on a Sun workstation to an optical drive on a NeXT. What I think I need is a Sun/RS6000/DG Avion on a network along with a NeXT with the optical drive. ftp the data Sun-to-NeXT, etc. Does anyone have this capability or know of a service that does? Is there any way to mount a hard drive from a Sun on a NeXT. That is, can I take a hard drive that has been formatted and file system'd by a Sun, plug it into a NeXT, and have the NeXT access it? If you say yes, have you done it? Last question. Does the NeXT have support for a QIC-150 tape drive? Could I take my Sun`s tape drive to the NeXT and expect it to work? If you say yes, have you done it? If you can answer these questions or direct me to some one who can, I'd be most grateful. John FusionGraphics reply to: fusiong@std.teradyne.com /*all other addresses do not work
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: murrayb@fit.qut.edu.au (Murray Bent) Subject: Adaptec 1542B SCSI WITH floppy Message-ID: <1994Jan26.210926.10404@news.qut.edu.au> Sender: news@news.qut.edu.au (USENET News System) Organization: Queensland University of Technology Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 21:09:26 GMT I have an Adaptec 1542B scsci controller card in the old AT bus, and apparently I cannot use the floppy but need to have a separate floppy controller card - is this right? Certainly I don't thru the entire boot sequence with floppy attached to the 1542B - I lose the keyboard and cannot type the responses needed to configure a new installation of NextStep 3.2. Has this happened to anyone? I've tried a separate floppy controller card, and without the 1542B it boots the NextStep boot disk OK. But with the 1542B card in the machine as well, (floppy drive still connected to its own floppy controller card) the machine ignores the floppy and tries to boot from the hard disk. What settings should I have on the SCSI 1542B card, please? I have the manual somewhere miles from here.. Thanks --- LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Murray Bent - Research Assistant LL' `LL LLL`. L School of Information Systems L .LLL. L LLL LL LLL Queensland University of Technology L LLLLL L LLL LL LLL Gardens Point Campus L. L. ` .L LLL LL LLL PO Box 2434 Brisbane 4000 Australia LLL._ . `LL_ _LLL LLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL voice:+61 7 8641966 fax:+61 7 8641969 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL email: murrayb@fit.qut.edu.au
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: dwritables Date: 26 Jan 1994 21:48:57 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2i6og9$7d4@gap.cco.caltech.edu> I seem to recall a program that would tell you the dwritable strings from an executable, and their default values. Where might I find such a beast? mark
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: setting up a swap disk Date: 26 Jan 1994 22:26:57 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2i6qnh$8go@gap.cco.caltech.edu> When I get the new 1G external disk fully loaded with NS3.2, I plan on trying out a swap disk using the internal 100M drive (25MHz color station). Is there a problem with partitioning a drive to use part of it for swapping and leave a piece for a bootable system for backup (emergency, not archive)? The BuildDisk app cautions against using partitions -- why? Is swapping into a partition a particulary bad idea? Would I be better to file away a bootable system over ethernet (we also have a SPARC1)? Is rebooting from a network located filesystem (as opposed to a network of NeXTs) possible? Help would be appreciated, and even opinions are welcome! Thanks, Timothy Cushing tec@alta.com tec@alumni.caltech.edu (forwarded to alta.com)
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Installer & CD Packages Date: 26 Jan 1994 22:35:23 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2i6r7c$8os@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In trying to install the stray packages from the NS3.2 CD-ROM onto an external HD, I noticed that it didn't give my any choice but to install them at "/" (which is a meager 100M drive). I found I had to copy the package to a HD, edit the *.info file inside the package (change Relocatable to YES), run the modified package thru Installer then go back and delete the modified package to scavange the disk space. Seems like a lot of trouble, and no real purpose to NeXT not making it relocatable in the first place. Any ideas why? Or whats wrong with doing this? Or...? Timothy Cushing (tec@alta.com)
From: kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NewsGrazer Unable To Post Date: 26 Jan 1994 17:06:41 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401262311.AA16300@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu> i've discovered, with a recent rash of problems, that since the upgrade to 3.2 of our black machines, we cannot post with NewsGrazer. can someone help? thanks!! kelley wittmeyer dept of atmospheric science colorado state university
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 upgrade: Mouse problem! Date: 26 Jan 1994 22:43:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2i6rn0$1a6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <759574074snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> In article <759574074snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> rob@brewster.demon.co.uk (Rob Heyes) writes: > In article <2i4crs$q0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > > > > Today I finally upgraded my ALR Evolution to 3.2. The upgrade > > went relatively smoothly. > > > > However, now my Mouse (a PS/2 mouse) feels very sluggish, > > somewhat like I remember a serial mouse feels. It used to > > be very fast and smooth before the upgrade. > > Now it is really hard to work with. > > > > Has anyone else made that observation? Is there a solution? > > > > Any help is gladly appreciated, > > > I just upgraded to 3.2 myself and found that my serial mouse was a lot > faster than it used to be! > > I had a look in Configure.app and noticed that there was a new option > for the serial mouse to set the resolution - adjusting this fixed my > problem - perhaps there is a similar setting for the PS/2 mouse? > Now, that is interesting. It seems they "fixed" something to improve the serial mouse, and broke the PS/2 mouse in the process. The "resolution" is not what makes it slow. It is the rate at which the cursor position is updated. It seems not to be determined by the driver, but rather somewhere else (like, the windowmanager?). I found that out by replacing the driver with the old one. The mouse was still jittery. Does anyone know where the cursor update rate is determined, and how it could possibly be changed? Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu (Kurt Oldenburg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Floptical disks for a cube Date: 26 Jan 1994 23:41:08 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Message-ID: <2i6v2k$d7d@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I've got a NeXTCube with a 256 meg internal floptical drive and I need to get some more flopticals. I"ve looked in the Computer Shopper but can't find anyone who lists 256 meg ones. Will using a higher volume disk work (like formatting a 1.44 meg disk to 720 K)? Or could somebody suggest where I could find the proper size?? -- Kurt Oldenburg | "I can't remember anything | Can't tell if this is true or dream | Deep down inside I feel to scream oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu | This terrible silence stops me..." --Metallica
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: mburg@westwerk.cube.de (Michael Burgstahler) Subject: Email-adress of Lotus + Improv Update Message-ID: <1994Jan26.121802.1506@westwerk.cube.de> Sender: mburg@westwerk.cube.de Organization: Westwerk Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 12:18:02 GMT I am looking for the Email-Adress of Lotus. I have bought an official package of Improv from a friend which I want to be registered at Lotus. Does anyone know which interim-release of Improv was the latest ? Thanks, Michael Burgstahler -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) Two Tribes Informationsgestaltung GmbH Forststrasse 163/1 70193 Stuttgart GERMANY Fon 0711 / 638360 Fax 0711 / 634696 ****************************************** -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) Two Tribes Informationsgestaltung GmbH Forststrasse 163/1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: setting up a swap disk In-Reply-To: tec@cco.caltech.edu's message of 26 Jan 1994 22:26:57 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Jan26162552@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <2i6qnh$8go@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 00:25:52 GMT In article <2i6qnh$8go@gap.cco.caltech.edu> tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) writes: > Is there a problem with partitioning a drive to use part of it > for swapping and leave a piece for a bootable system for backup > (emergency, not archive)? No, but why partition it when Mach can use swapfiles? :-) Set it up as a single partition, and point your primary swap location at a spot on the disk. However, it's *trivial* to get the *whole* disk as a swapdisk. Simply change the label to "swapdisk". Upon the next boot, Mach will use the entire disk automatically. Really. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sneakernet NeXTMail to a NeXT Date: 27 Jan 1994 00:47:26 GMT Organization: Me Message-ID: <2i72uu$hi6@news.tamu.edu> References: <1994Jan25.234602.4989@serval.net.wsu.edu> In article <1994Jan25.234602.4989@serval.net.wsu.edu>, Jeffrey W. Blatt <jblatt@aixesa.csc.wsu.edu> wrote: > My NeXT is not hooked up to the net. Is there a way to manually >transfere NeXTMail messages from a Non-NeXT machine to a NeXT machine? 1) When you "read" the mail, save it to a file (headers and all) and put that file in /usr/spool/mail/<username> on your NeXT machine. You can have more than one mail message in this file. /usr/spool/mail/<username> should be writeable for <username>. If /usr/spool/mail/<username> already exists, overwriting it will erase any messages stored there. Since the default behavior of the NeXT Mail app is to move messages to the user's local directory, there is unlikely to be anything there since the machine isn't networked (assuming another user on the machine didn't send you mail). 2) After copying the file in, start Mail.app and it will load those messages up and you can read them. Lusty The real trick is going the other way.
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NewsGrazer Unable To Post Date: 27 Jan 1994 02:15:28 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2i7840$h02@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <9401262311.AA16300@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu> Kelley Wittmeyer writes > i've discovered, with a recent rash of problems, that > since the upgrade to 3.2 of our black machines, we > cannot post with NewsGrazer. > can someone help? Not me, but as a data point, I'm running NG on black 3.2 system with no problems whatsoever. So maybe its a configuration issue rather than a NG or 3.2 problem. Ciao, Stefano --- Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University, Stanford CA 94305-6084 Tel 415-725-0939, Fax 415-725-7007 Email spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Re: Sendmail on NS 3.0 Message-ID: <1994Jan26.212256.10498@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <chDhE3600WBO0386QX@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 21:22:56 GMT Does this latest version of sendmail contain the changes NeXT made to support NetInfo? Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV In article <chDhE3600WBO0386QX@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.bugs: 20-Jan-94 Sendmail on NS 3.0 > by Adam Bentley@rowan.coven > > IS there a version of sendmail for NeXT's (68040 Black h/w) that works? > > I have a lab of NS 3.0 machines and when I attempted to put a new > > sendmail.cf on the main gateway machine (one which functions fine on > > Suns,Decs,SGI's, Sequents, etc.), it makes an absolute nonsense of the > > rules.... > > > > Where can I get a version of sendmail that works? > > V8.6.4 (or later) of sendmail is available: > > via anonymous FTP from FTP.CS.Berkeley.EDU in /ucb/sendmail > > It fixes all of the known security holes in sendmail. [Yes, there are > security holes in the version of sendmail shipped with all versions of > NEXTSTEP, at least up to 3.1 -- and I'll be seeing 3.2 soon, so I'll > check when I get it.] > > -Chuck > > > Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*splat*! | 1. You can't fly. > --------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even > AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. > Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Police are not your friends. > NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns. >
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Using ISO9660 CDROM on NeXT, Exporting thru NFS Followup-To: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 27 Jan 1994 05:39:54 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Distribution: na Message-ID: <2i7k3a$m17@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <1994Jan25.174827.27525@serval.net.wsu.edu> John L. Burke (jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu) wrote: : Ok, this problem has gone on for quite some time. I have found that while : I can mount and read locally an ISO9660 formatted CD-ROM (an MSDOS CD), : when I export it, it fails to export properly. Is there any way that I : can fool the system by setting up a link or something that will allow it : to read locally and export as if it were a hard drive or just another : directory, instead of a CD-ROM? I really would like to be able to access : this CD-ROM from my PC, which does not have a CD-ROM drive on it. (My : bosses are too cheap to buy me one!) : Any replies are appreciated. I had this same problem a few weeks ago. After wasting a lot of time on it, I finally called NeXT and they said that you can't do it -- NS doesn't support the exporting of CD-ROM mounted filesystems. And they had no plans of supporting it in the future. :-((( -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@jedi (Master of the Universe) Subject: Nextstep does not recognize partitions. HELP! Message-ID: <CKALzF.BJy@edb.tih.no> Sender: newsadm@edb.tih.no (News Adm humpty) Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering, Norway Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 14:38:02 GMT HI. I am trying to install NeXTstep 3.2 on my 486. I have one UNIX (SVR4) partition at the start of my disk. When I am booting Nextstep and partitioning my disk (SCSI), it does not recognize my other UNIX-partition! It thinks all space is free! What is wrong with it, why can't it understand the partition-table! Any help is appreciated!! -- Ragnvald T. Blindheim ragnvald@edb.tih.no Utleirveien 6 7033 Trondheim Norway
From: gloger@dbulm1.uucp (Jochen Gloger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Librarian problems Message-ID: <1994Jan27.140353.592@dbulm1.uucp> Date: 27 Jan 94 14:03:52 +0100 Organization: Daimler-Benz, Forschungszentrum Ulm Hi, we are having some problems when using WriteNow files with Librarian. Since NeXTSTEP 3.0 (we are currently running 3.1) Digital Librarian does no longer work with WriteNow files. It simply does not find any entry! Does anybody know a solution to this problem? Thanks in advance Kind regards Jochen Gloger =============================================================================== Jochen Gloger, Daimler-Benz AG, Research Center Ulm, Institute of Information Technology, Department of Text Understanding Phone: +49 731 505 2353, Fax: +49 731 505 4113 Address: Wilhelm-Runge-Str.11, P.O. Box 23 60, 89013 Ulm, Germany email: unido.uucp!dbulm1!gloger OR gloger%dbulm1.uucp@germany.eu.net OR ...!ira.uka.de!fauern!unido!dbulm1!gloger OR ...!{uunet,corton,sunic,ukc}!mcsun!unido!dbulm1!gloger ===============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: setting up a swap disk Message-ID: <CKAMvI.Fqt@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: news@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <BYER.94Jan26162552@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 14:57:17 GMT In article <BYER.94Jan26162552@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: >> >>In article <2i6qnh$8go@gap.cco.caltech.edu> tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) writes: >> >>> Is there a problem with partitioning a drive to use part of it >>> for swapping and leave a piece for a bootable system for backup >>> (emergency, not archive)? >> >>No, but why partition it when Mach can use swapfiles? :-) Set it >>up as a single partition, and point your primary swap location at >>a spot on the disk. >> >>However, it's *trivial* to get the *whole* disk as a swapdisk. >>Simply change the label to "swapdisk". Upon the next boot, Mach >>will use the entire disk automatically. Really. >> Scott speaks the truth...I know...I did it. -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs From: kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Subject: Re: Sendmail on NS 3.0 Message-ID: <CKAp8x.M5n@fragile.termfrost.org> Organization: Terminal Frost, Springfield OH References: <chDhE3600WBO0386QX@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jan26.212256.10498@hot.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 15:48:33 GMT In <1994Jan26.212256.10498@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: >Does this latest version of sendmail contain the changes NeXT made to >support NetInfo? >Robert La Ferla >Hot Technologies >NEXTSTEP ISV 8.6.4 doesn't, but 8.6.5 does. I haven't finished installing it yet, so does anyone know of any big gotchas here? I'm still running the stock 5.67 now... -- Mike Andrews "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." root@fragile.termfrost.org [NeXTmail OK] - Primus kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown) Bassists do it deeper
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets - Jack In The Box Date: 27 Jan 1994 12:37:47 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401271824.AA19806@dcs.shef.ac.uk> > > Press both Alternate Keys simulataneously and double-click the PC > > icon within the Info panel. > > > How the heck can you do that? I can't grab both alternate keys with a > single hand, so end up using the right hand for the key and the > double-click!?! Maybe it should stay a secret so nobody gets sued for > broken fingers. :-) > I think it should stay a secret so NeXT doesn't get accused of being sexist again ;-) Have fun, mmalcolm. --- SHeffield Auditory Group | Vox : (+44) 742 768555 ext 5569 Dept. Computer Science | direct : 825569 Sheffield University | Fax : (+44) 742 780972 Regent Court | Email: malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk 211 Portobello Street | (NeXTMail welcome) Sheffield S1 4DP, UK. | (Read-Receipts discouraged :-)
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: setting up a swap disk Date: 27 Jan 1994 20:36:30 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2i98kg$btm@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2i6qnh$8go@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <BYER.94Jan26162552@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> In article <BYER.94Jan26162552@birch.mv.us.adobe.com>, Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> wrote: >No, but why partition it when Mach can use swapfiles? :-) Set it >up as a single partition, and point your primary swap location at >a spot on the disk. I was under the impression that you get enhanced speed with a swap disk vs a swap file, since there would be less contention? overhead? something? >However, it's *trivial* to get the *whole* disk as a swapdisk. >Simply change the label to "swapdisk". Upon the next boot, Mach >will use the entire disk automatically. Really. Yes, but that does not address the issue of whether and how I retain a minimal bootable system on the same disk. I would like to only devote 50-80M to swapping (my swap files presently have not exceeded that range) and keep the rest for a bootable system in case my external drive goes south (or I stomp on the filesystem or something). Timothy Cushing tec@alta.com
From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: fax software Date: 27 Jan 1994 15:56:06 -0500 Organization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2i99p6$fju@cae.cad.gatech.edu> I hooked up a Supra 144LC to serial port A, went into Print Manager and tried to define it as a Class 2 fax-modem. Seemed to work, but when I try to send stuff to the NeXT I can't connect. Any clues here? I investigated the Gnu fax program, and efax. Couldn't compile either due to references to stuff in unistd.h and termios.h, which NS 2.0 doesn't have. -- "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and then applying the wrong remedies." - G. Marx
From: friel@swarthmore.edu (Patrick Friel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sending files: NeXT-->Mac Date: 27 Jan 1994 21:32:44 GMT Organization: Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA Message-ID: <2i9bts$fjp@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What techniques have people used to send files from NeXTs to Macs? We have tried, but seem to be running into some problems getting out of a tar format. -PWF
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: Hot keyed keyboard to load custom keyboard mappings???? Message-ID: <CKB59v.92@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 21:34:42 GMT Does anybody know of a way to make some keys "hot" so when they are pressed they load a particular xxx.keymapping without having to use the "use" button of the "Keyboard.app" ??? I guess my question can be parsed to two questions: 1. Is there any "hot key" and any keyboard macro capability in NeXTSTEP 3.x on black hardware? 2. How does one load in software a " xxxx.keymapping" to take effect on the keyboard (something that the Keyboard.app is obviously doing)? I would greatly appreciate any help you can send me Thanks --john m. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Converting Multi-Disk .pkg's to a Single .pkg file Message-ID: <2i9h2e$br6@news.duke.edu> Date: 27 Jan 94 23:00:30 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@north1.acpub.duke.edu Howdy do! I'm being stymied by the bug in NS3.1 for black hardware in dealing with PLI SuperFloppies on the SCSI bus. I need to know if there is a way of taking each chunk from a separate .pkg file on a disk (say WordPerfect for example), transferring them individually over to the hard drive, reassembling them into one .pkg, and then firing up Installer.app? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Any takers can follow-up on the net if they wish. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NetInfo 3.0->3.2 Date: 28 Jan 1994 00:33:39 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2i9mh4$j2s@gap.cco.caltech.edu> After installing NS3.2 onto an external drive (previously initialized via a BuildDisk from my working NS3.0 internal drive) I discovered that booting from the new drive failed to find the network, and didn't retain any of my exports & such. I tried copying the /etc/netinfo folder from the 3.0 drive, but that, too, failed (and actually hung the reboot when I made the names match). So, how do I transfer my net setup including exports, imports, etc. across the upgrade? I don't see anything in the upgrade instructions, and it worked just fine going from 2.1 to 3.0. Thanks, Timothy E. Cushing tec@alta.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Subject: Re: Converting Multi-Disk .pkg's to a Single .pkg file Message-ID: <CKBFJ2.3vq@is.com> Sender: pclark@is.com (Peter Clark) Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. References: <2i9h2e$br6@news.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 01:16:13 GMT In article <2i9h2e$br6@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu writes: > Howdy do! > > I'm being stymied by the bug in NS3.1 for black hardware in dealing with > PLI SuperFloppies on the SCSI bus. I need to know if there is a way of > taking each chunk from a separate .pkg file on a disk (say WordPerfect > for example), transferring them individually over to the hard drive, > reassembling them into one .pkg, and then firing up Installer.app? Yes. In a split package, there is a file in each package named <foo>.tar.Z.<#>, where <foo> is the name of the package, and <#> is the split package number. Copy all the packages to your hard drive, and then just cat all these .tar.Z.<#> files together. I usually do this in the first chunk's .pkg file, like so: milo% cd Foo1/Foo.pkg milo% cat Foo.tar.Z.1 ../../Foo2/Foo.pkg/Foo.tar.Z.2 <and so on> > Foo.tar.Z Then, just run Installer.app on the first chunk, and it will find the .tar.Z file and install it for you. Hope this is useful. Pete Clark pclark@is.com -- ********************************************************************* Pete Clark - Software Engineer | You know that way that Integrity Solutions, Inc. | you always are? pclark@is.com NeXTMail preferred | Don't be that way.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ken@synoptics.com (Ken Krieger) Subject: Re: fax software Message-ID: <CKBHon.6Jx@synoptics.com> Sender: news@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Inc. References: <2i99p6$fju@cae.cad.gatech.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 02:02:46 GMT Vincent Fox writes > I hooked up a Supra 144LC to serial port A, went into Print Manager > and tried to define it as a Class 2 fax-modem. Seemed to work, but > when I try to send stuff to the NeXT I can't connect. > > Any clues here? > The Supra 144LC does not have Class 2 support. That's the problem. A different model has the Class 2 support. I had the same problem... got a different modem. ken
Message-ID: <!4%@byu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 94 20:20:30 MST From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets - Jack In The Box References: <2i203d$o38@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> In article <2i203d$o38@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> leuschr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Rainer Leuschke) writes: > In article <1994Jan19.234125.4387@icomsim.com> leakeb@icomsim.com (Brian > Leake) writes: > > Press both Alternate Keys simulataneously and double-click the PC icon > within > > the Info panel. > > > How the heck can you do that? I can't grab both alternate keys with a > single hand, so end up using the right hand for the key and the > double-click!?! Maybe it should stay a secret so nobody gets sued for > broken fingers. :-) Try the Alt and Command keys (labelled Ctrl and Alt on my PC keyboard). It is pretty cool in my opinion, especially the way it sort of turns to colored smoke when it closes. Later, Paul Cardon
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: What font packages are available these days? Date: 28 Jan 1994 03:15:03 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2i9vvn$tl@usenet.rpi.edu> Back when I got my NeXTstation, I bought the Adobe Plus Pack from NeXTconnection. This gave me all the fonts that a standard laserwriter has, but which NeXT doesn't ship in their default set. Is that package still available these days? I'll probably be interested in fonts for my NS/Intel machine, assuming the PC I'm interested in ever gets certified for NS/Intel... The NeXT FAQ list claims that RightBrain still distributes fonts for NeXTSTEP, but clearly that isn't true these days. And if I remember right, they didn't have the Plus Pack back when they did handle most Adobe fonts for NeXTSTEP. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software From: mb@orchard.Princeton.EDU (Matthias Blumrich) Subject: WANTED: network sound playing info Message-ID: <1994Jan27.233810.12210@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 23:38:10 GMT Hi. If I'm logged onto a NeXT machine, is there a way to play a sound remotely on a different NeXT machine? I tried logging in to the remote machine, but sndplay wouldn't run. Please send responses to mb@cs.princeton.edu. Thanks! - Matt -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jerald@mrk.com (Jerald Dawson) Subject: Benchmarks for Pentium/PCI w/ Miro 32s Message-ID: <1994Jan28.053027.626@mrk.com> Sender: jerald@mrk.com Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 05:30:27 GMT Hi there all, Finally got time to benchmark our new pentium system. I've made a table of the pentium benchmarks along with a NeXTStation Turbo Color and a 66 Mhz 486 w/ a GUP. The benchmarking program was NXBench 2.0 My setup was this; No apps loaded except NXbench and Workspace. Workspace was hidden so NXBenches window was only one on screen. Network traffic was nonexistant. The Pentium system is a Micron 60Mhz w/ a Micronics PCI/ISA motherboard. The 486 is a system I put together, it has a micronics EISA/VLB motherboard. Anyways, the numbers are as follow: NSTC Pentium/PCI 60Mhz 486/VLB 66Mhz 1120x832x16 miro 32s 1408x1024x16 GUP 1120x832x16 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ dhrystones/s 34802 86455 54054 Vax Mips 22.096508 54.892063 34.32 Line 0.75508 0.86982 0.61105 arc/bezier 0.75474 0.86026 0.57723 fill 0.5216 0.61177 0.44149 transform 1.16925 2.06692 1.48240 composite 0.57694 0.65259 0.49541 user path 1.26753 1.92023 1.53807 text 0.45788 0.65386 0.45425 window 0.47070 0.48942 0.33118 NXFactor 0.75304 1.015613 0.741388 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- anyways, thems the benchmark numbers for what they're worth. Hope this helps someone out there in net land. Now if I can just convince my boss that our pentium doesn't do our market simulations fast enough maybe I can have gecko benchmarks... nah ;-) -- jerald dawson Systems Manager / Head Programmer Investor's Advantage / MRK *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) Subject: Moving RECYCLER off dock in 3.2 Message-ID: <gslCKBxzp.340@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 07:55:00 GMT In 3.1 I was able to move the RECYCLER off the dock by Command-Dragging it to the lower-left corner and it would stay there. With 3.2 it always is back on the dock when I log back in. Anyone know how to make it stay off the dock? TIA Greg Lindholm gsl@netcom.com
From: "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Windows & SoftPC Demo Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 22:36:26 -0500 Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <QhG8Uue00iM841ZElt@andrew.cmu.edu> Most of the space taken up by the SoftPC demo that comes with 3.2 is a "windows" subdirectory and a weird file, Windows31.hdfd (sp?). The windows subdirectory reminds me of the setup directory from which Windows would be installed on another disk (ie, allocate more disk space). But what is the Windows31.hdfd file? It looks like it would be a SoftPC disk file, but SoftPC ignores it. Docs didn't come with my 3.2 update, and I want to see how SoftPC performs with Windows on my Turbo. How's one to proceed? Alternatively, could some folks tell me how Windows performs on a (1) color Turbo and/or a (2) 50 MHz '486 box? Good, fair, useable, useless? Thanks in Advance. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |Jeremy Mereness zonker+@cmu.edu | Support \ Ye Olde Disclaimer: | |Programmer/Analyst, FAST Laboratory| Free \ The above represents | |GSIA - Carnegie Mellon University | Software \ my opinions, alone.| |B.S.Mechanical Engineering, CMU'92 | NeXTMail Welcome\ Ya Gotta Love It.| | Every Silver Lining's Got a Touch of Grey | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP 3.2 upgrade: Mouse problem! Message-ID: <1994Jan28.090626.6148@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <2i4crs$q0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 09:06:26 GMT In article <2i4crs$q0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > > Today I finally upgraded my ALR Evolution to 3.2. The upgrade > went relatively smoothly. > > However, now my Mouse (a PS/2 mouse) feels very sluggish, > somewhat like I remember a serial mouse feels. It used to > be very fast and smooth before the upgrade. > Now it is really hard to work with. > > Has anyone else made that observation? Is there a solution? Besides the settings in Preferences.app, fire up Configure.app and open the Mouse driver - there are more parameters there. I hated the way it felt when I installed 3.2 (3.1 was fine) - and even after fiddling, it still drives me nuts, but you can pretty much adjust to taste. The big problem is that you have to reboot to see what effects your changes have. -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Anyone connected mac Powerbok as SCSI to NeXTStation? Message-ID: <1994Jan28.091245.6208@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 09:12:45 GMT I have a powerbook which has the capability to act like a SCSI drive - plug in the special cable, plug it into another Mac, and it behaves just like a plain old SCSI HD. Works fine. I'd like to plug it into my NeXT sometimes, rather than do the old floppy shuffle - but I'm afraid the NeXT might write a .places3_0.wmd file, or something wierd to the drive. In fact, I seem to remember NeXTStep occaissionally hosing a Mac floppy, rendering it unreadable, so I'd hate to do that to my Powerbook HD. Anybody tried this? (Or even hooked up a vanilla Mac file system on a SCSI disk)? -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer Unable To Post Message-ID: <1994Jan28.091716.6278@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <9401262311.AA16300@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 09:17:16 GMT In article <9401262311.AA16300@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu> kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) writes: > i've discovered, with a recent rash of problems, that > since the upgrade to 3.2 of our black machines, we > cannot post with NewsGrazer. > > can someone help? Take a look in some of the files inews uses - this happened to me too, although it might have just been a coincidence it occured around the time I upgraded. There were some lock files and other weird files lying around (I think in /usr/spool/news/something) - to tell the truth, I can't for the life of me remember where the files were, but I found them right away when NewsGrazer stopped posting - so they must have been somewhere obvious. -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Message-ID: <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> Organization: Microsoft Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 19:13:54 GMT References: <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> In article <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU wrote: > > I'm curious what you have to do to get rid of NEXTSTEP boot manager > on NS/Intel. I changed my active partion to another partition..but > I still get the NS boot manager. I encountered the exact same problem. When I called NeXT tech support to inquire about removing it, they informed me that they didn't know offhand, but could find out for me for "about $250." Thus, I'd be curious to find out the easiest method of doing this. -Jeff jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson
From: jgrant@stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM (James Grant) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Date: 28 Jan 1994 14:14:39 GMT Organization: Novell, Inc. Message-ID: <2ib6kf$cl4@bantu.provo.novell.com> References: <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> In article <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: I've used Novell DOS 6 to rewrite the master boot record.
From: jgrant@stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM (James Grant) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Date: 28 Jan 1994 14:14:53 GMT Organization: Novell, Inc. Message-ID: <2ib6kt$cla@bantu.provo.novell.com> References: <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> In article <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: I've used Novell DOS 6 to rewrite the master boot record.
From: jgrant@stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM (James Grant) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Date: 28 Jan 1994 14:15:22 GMT Organization: Novell, Inc. Message-ID: <2ib6lq$cnp@bantu.provo.novell.com> References: <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> I've used Novell DOS 6 to rewrite the master boot record.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: Windows & SoftPC Demo Message-ID: <1994Jan28.120117.21720@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <QhG8Uue00iM841ZElt@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 12:01:17 GMT That file sounds like a hard disk file with Microsoft Windows 3.1 installed on it. I believe you have to set a preference before SoftPC can access it. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting In article <QhG8Uue00iM841ZElt@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> writes: > > Most of the space taken up by the SoftPC demo that comes with 3.2 is a > "windows" subdirectory and a weird file, Windows31.hdfd (sp?). > > The windows subdirectory reminds me of the setup directory from which > Windows would be installed on another disk (ie, allocate more disk space). > But what is the Windows31.hdfd file? It looks like it would be a SoftPC disk > file, but SoftPC ignores it. > > Docs didn't come with my 3.2 update, and I want to see how SoftPC performs > with Windows on my Turbo. How's one to proceed? > > Alternatively, could some folks tell me how Windows performs on a > (1) color Turbo and/or a (2) 50 MHz '486 box? Good, fair, useable, useless? > > Thanks in Advance. > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ > |Jeremy Mereness zonker+@cmu.edu | Support \ Ye Olde Disclaimer: | > |Programmer/Analyst, FAST Laboratory| Free \ The above represents | > |GSIA - Carnegie Mellon University | Software \ my opinions, alone.| > |B.S.Mechanical Engineering, CMU'92 | NeXTMail Welcome\ Ya Gotta Love It.| > | Every Silver Lining's Got a Touch of Grey | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: What font packages are available these days? Message-ID: <1994Jan28.120131.21780@hot.com> Keywords: fonts Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <2i9vvn$tl@usenet.rpi.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 12:01:31 GMT Henry McGilton's company, Trilithon Software now carries all Adobe fonts for NEXTSTEP. Contact info@trilithon.com. He's a really nice guy to do business with. Paget Press (info@paget.com) also carries some non-Adobe fonts. Some selling for $25. I recently purchased the Font Company's Pepita font from Paget's Electronic AppWrapper. While it didn't have screen bitmaps, you can't go wrong at $25 per typeface. WSI also sells fonts but I don't have their contact information handy. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting In article <2i9vvn$tl@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > Back when I got my NeXTstation, I bought the Adobe Plus Pack > from NeXTconnection. This gave me all the fonts that a > standard laserwriter has, but which NeXT doesn't ship in > their default set. > > Is that package still available these days? I'll probably > be interested in fonts for my NS/Intel machine, assuming > the PC I'm interested in ever gets certified for NS/Intel... > > The NeXT FAQ list claims that RightBrain still distributes > fonts for NeXTSTEP, but clearly that isn't true these days. > And if I remember right, they didn't have the Plus Pack > back when they did handle most Adobe fonts for NeXTSTEP. > > -- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu > ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: keiblin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Keiblinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Benchmarks for Pentium/PCI w/ Miro 32s Date: 28 Jan 1994 15:00:05 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2ib99l$9e1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1994Jan28.053027.626@mrk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jerald Dawson (jerald@mrk.com) wrote: >Finally got time to benchmark our new pentium system. I've made a table >of the pentium benchmarks along with a NeXTStation Turbo Color and a 66 >Mhz 486 w/ a GUP. The benchmarking program was NXBench 2.0 I added the values for a PCI ATI GUP. >My setup was this; No apps loaded except NXbench and Workspace. Workspace >was hidden so NXBenches window was only one on screen. Network traffic was >nonexistant. The Pentium system is a Micron 60Mhz w/ a Micronics PCI/ISA >motherboard. The 486 is a system I put together, it has a micronics >EISA/VLB motherboard. Anyways, the numbers are as follow: Same Setup with a ASUS 486/66DX2 PCI Board and a handcrafted ATI PCI driver. NSTC Pentium/ 486/ 486/256KB Cache PCI 60Mhz VLB 66Mhz PCI 66Mhz 1120x832x16 miro 32s GUP VLB GUP PCI 1408x1024x16 1120x832x16 1120x832x16 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ dhrystones/s 34802 86455 54054 53859 Vax Mips 22.096508 54.892063 34.32 34.19619 Line 0.75508 0.86982 0.61105 0.79967 arc/bezier 0.75474 0.86026 0.57723 0.76274 fill 0.5216 0.61177 0.44149 0.54596 transform 1.16925 2.06692 1.48240 1.70431 composite 0.57694 0.65259 0.49541 0.66926 user path 1.26753 1.92023 1.53807 1.7718 text 0.45788 0.65386 0.45425 0.54921 window 0.47070 0.48942 0.33118 0.40667 NXFactor 0.75304 1.015613 0.741388 0.901207 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >anyways, thems the benchmark numbers for what they're worth. Hope this >helps someone out there in net land. Right. Alex Keiblinger -- "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu(Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Moving RECYCLER off dock in 3.2 Date: 28 Jan 1994 15:06:00 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C., USA Message-ID: <2ib9ko$scf@news.duke.edu> References: <gslCKBxzp.340@netcom.com> Greg Lindholm writes > In 3.1 I was able to move the RECYCLER off the dock by Command-Dragging > it to the lower-left corner and it would stay there. With 3.2 it always > is back on the dock when I log back in. > > Anyone know how to make it stay off the dock? Same way. To get it to _stay_ in the lower left you also need to put another app icon in its original place at the lower right. (This was true in 3.1, too.) Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Moving RECYCLER off dock in 3.2 Date: 28 Jan 1994 15:24:29 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2iband$nqn@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <gslCKBxzp.340@netcom.com> <2ib9ko$scf@news.duke.edu> I never had to put another icon in the lower right to get the recycler icon to stay at the lower left. I just moved the recycler with the Alt key down. Stayed there after reboot, and without anything at lower right. This with 3.0, 3.1 and 3.2. Robert de Lucca
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Floptical disks for a cube Date: 28 Jan 1994 15:58:44 GMT Organization: E&S Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ibcnk$kk6@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <2i6v2k$d7d@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article d7d@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu, oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu (Kurt Oldenburg) writes: > I've got a NeXTCube with a 256 meg internal floptical drive and I need > to get some more flopticals. I"ve looked in the Computer Shopper but > can't find anyone who lists 256 meg ones. Will using a higher volume > disk work (like formatting a 1.44 meg disk to 720 K)? Or could somebody > suggest where I could find the proper size?? The NeXT optical drive is a proprietary drive using proprietary media. It can *only* use media specifically engineered for this drive. Canon no longer has any in stock, and won't be making them any more. However, I still have some (new, still in shrink wrap). They are $20 each if you buy at least 10-- otherwise $25 each. You can order COD, VISA or MASTERCARD. Call (801) 265-8949, or email me for more info. Nevin
From: ramsch@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Martin Ramsch) Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.multi-media,comp.mail.mime,comp.mail.headers,comp.multimedia,uni-passau.rz.next,bit.listserv.next-l,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: How can I display NeXT Mail under SusOS? Followup-To: poster Date: 28 Jan 1994 19:37:45 GMT Organization: University of Passau, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ibpi9INNf12@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> Hello, does somebody know a way to view NeXT Mail on a SUN sparc workstation or a possibility to convert a NeXT Mail into a MIME compliant email? Any help very much appreciated! Thanks a lot in advance! -- BTW Followup-To: is set to poster, so even Followups get sent to me via email. If somebody is interested in the answers, that I get, please write me. I could post the results, if there's enough interest (but not in so many newsgroups, of course ;-). _ // Martin Ramsch (ae=ä oe=ö ue=ü ss=ß) \X/ ramsch@forwiss.uni-passau.de (AE=Ä OE=Ö UE=Ü ) PGP public key can be received via finger -l ramsch@forwiss.uni-passau.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Benchmarks for Pentium/PCI w/ Miro 32s Message-ID: <CKCv08.Lx@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: news@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <2ib99l$9e1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:48:06 GMT In article <2ib99l$9e1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> keiblin@cs.tu-berlin.de (Alexander Keiblinger) writes: >>Jerald Dawson (jerald@mrk.com) wrote: >>>Finally got time to benchmark our new pentium system. I've made a table >>>of the pentium benchmarks along with a NeXTStation Turbo Color and a 66 >>>Mhz 486 w/ a GUP. The benchmarking program was NXBench 2.0 >> >>I added the values for a PCI ATI GUP. >> >>>My setup was this; No apps loaded except NXbench and Workspace. Workspace >>>was hidden so NXBenches window was only one on screen. Network traffic was >>>nonexistant. The Pentium system is a Micron 60Mhz w/ a Micronics PCI/ISA >>>motherboard. The 486 is a system I put together, it has a micronics >>>EISA/VLB motherboard. Anyways, the numbers are as follow: >> >>Same Setup with a ASUS 486/66DX2 PCI Board and a handcrafted ATI PCI driver. >> >> NSTC Pentium/ 486/ 486/256KB Cache >> PCI 60Mhz VLB 66Mhz PCI 66Mhz >> 1120x832x16 miro 32s GUP VLB GUP PCI >> 1408x1024x16 1120x832x16 1120x832x16 >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>dhrystones/s 34802 86455 54054 53859 >>Vax Mips 22.096508 54.892063 34.32 34.19619 >>Line 0.75508 0.86982 0.61105 0.79967 >>arc/bezier 0.75474 0.86026 0.57723 0.76274 >>fill 0.5216 0.61177 0.44149 0.54596 >>transform 1.16925 2.06692 1.48240 1.70431 >>composite 0.57694 0.65259 0.49541 0.66926 >>user path 1.26753 1.92023 1.53807 1.7718 >>text 0.45788 0.65386 0.45425 0.54921 >>window 0.47070 0.48942 0.33118 0.40667 >>NXFactor 0.75304 1.015613 0.741388 0.901207 >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>anyways, thems the benchmark numbers for what they're worth. Hope this >>>helps someone out there in net land. >> Is the miro32s a PCI or VESA board ? -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: ** HSD SPELL FOR NeXT COMPUTERS-- ONLY $19.95 *** Message-ID: <CKCMK7.86v@beach.com> Sender: dpeter@beach.com (David Peter) Organization: HSD U.S. Inc., S.D. Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 16:45:42 GMT *** HSD SPELL FOR NeXT "BLACK" HARDWARE--ONLY $19.95 *** HSD currently has excess inventory of HSD SPELL for NeXT "black" hardware, running NS 3.0 or higher. As our fiscal year comes to an end, we are offering these copies of HSD SPELL, while supplies last, at the discount price of $19.95 per copy, plus shipping and handling. *** INCLUDES ENGLISH (U.K. & U.S.) AND ONE OTHER LANGUAGE *** HSD Spell is the international spelling software for NEXTSTEP that automatically integrates multiple language spelling capabilities into your existing applications. HSD spell can also be used as a stand-alone application or accessed as a "Service" from other applications. HSD Spell supports 11 international languages including Danish, Dutch, English (U.S. and U.K), Finnish, French, German, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Spanish and Swedish. (Press release with additional info at end of message.) *** WHY ONLY $19.95? *** Previously, HSD SPELL was shipped on two extended density (2.8MB each) disks, which can only be used in a NeXT computer. Rather than opening the packages and duplicating new disks which can be used on Intel based computers as well, we've decided to offer them as they are for use on "black" hardware and pass the savings on to you. This is a one-time opportunity to purchase the leading spell checker for NEXTSTEP at an incredibly low price. *** NEXTSTEP INTEL USERS CAN SAVE TOO--$49 UPGRADE *** The retail price for the Intel version of HSD SPELL is $149, but registered owners of HSD SPELL for "black" hardware can purchase the upgrade for only $49. Total cost for the Intel version during this offer is $68.95, a savings of over 50%! Orders will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis, while supplies last. To order, complete the information below and mail or fax your order to HSD at: Email: sales@hsd.com Fax: (408) 774-1402 Phone: (408) 774-1400 Shipping and Billing Information: Company Name: ____________________________________ Contact Name: ____________________________________ Address: _________________________________________ Address: _________________________________________ City: ____________________________________________ State: ___________________________________________ Postal Code: _____________________________________ Country: _________________________________________ Phone: ___________________________________________ Fax: _____________________________________________ Email: ___________________________________________ Product and Quantity: HSD SPELL FOR BLACK HARDWARE ______ @ $19.95 HSD SPELL FOR INTEL UPGRADE ______ @ $49.00 Shipping--$4.95 per copy. Method of Payment: Credit Card: (Visa, MasterCard or Amex) Card Number: _____________________________________ Name on Card: ____________________________________ Expiration Date: ________________________________ COD Company Check or Cashiers Check ______________ ------------------- HSD SPELL PRODUCT INFO ---------------------- SUNNYVALE, January 24, 1994 HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. today announced a special promotional price of $19.95 for HSD Spell, its international spell checker for NEXTSTEP that supports 11 languages.The version being offered at the promotional price can be used on NeXT computers running NEXTSTEP 3.0 or higher. NEXTSTEP Intel user can purchase an upgrade for $49. HSD SPELL has a suggested retail price is $149, which includes two language dictionaries--English (U.K. and U.S.) and one other. Additional languages can be purchased for $99 each. Languages currently supported include Danish, Dutch, English (U.K. and U.S.), Finnish, French, German, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Spanish and Swedish. The version of HSD Spell being offered at the promotional price is shipped on two extended density disks which contain the HSD Spell application and all 11 language dictionaries. The HSD Spell application menu contains a choice for installing additional languages, which can be unlocked after purchasing an activation code from HSD. HSD President David Peter noted that HSD Spell is tightly integrated into the NeXTSTEP 3.0 (or higher) operating system so that users can check spelling directly from the spelling panel built into most NEXTSTEP applications. Many applications utilize the speller built into NeXTSTEP 3.0 or higher. HSD Spell automatically incorporates installed languages into this panel so they can be accessed directly, Peter said. In applications that do not support the NeXTSTEP speller, text can be imported via the Services menu into the HSD Spell application to check spelling or perform a variety of common text editing functions. HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. was founded in 1989 and has offices in Sunnyvale and San Diego. Today HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc is a leading supplier of hardware and software products for Macintosh and NEXTSTEP. HSD's main office is located at 1095 East Duane Ave., Suite 209, Sunnyvale, CA 94086. Phone (408) 774-1400, Fax (408) 774-1402, Email: sales@hsd.com. -- Sincerely, David W. Peter HSD Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: ** Pixel Magician and Image Agent--$149 ** Message-ID: <CKCMoB.887@beach.com> Sender: dpeter@beach.com (David Peter) Organization: HSD U.S. Inc., S.D. Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 16:48:10 GMT ****LIMITED TIME OFFER**** HSD OFFERS PIXEL MAGICIAN AND IMAGE AGENT FREE WITH SCANNER SYSTEMS CURRENT SCANNER OWNERS CAN PURCHASE PIXEL MAG/IMAGE AGENT FOR $149 *****CALL 1 (800) 828-5522 TO ORDER***** HSD today announced a promotion to include a FREE copy of the single-user version of Bacchus Inc.'s award-winning Pixel Magician and Image Agent software with each scanner system purchased from HSD through February, 1994. Complete product info is at the end of this message. HSD also announced an exclusive offer for current owners of HSD and Umax scanners to purchase a single-user copy of Pixel Magician/Image Agent directly from HSD for the reduced price of $149 (retail $299) during the promotion. This price is only available for orders placed directly through HSD and not from Bacchus. In addition, during the promotion HSD is reducing the retail prices of all 24-bit color scanner systems it is currently offering. The new prices are listed below: Scanner Old Retail New Retail Bundled Software Umax UC 630 $1495 $1295 Pixel Mag/Image Agent Umax UC 840 $1695 $1495 Pixel Mag/Image Agent Umax UC 1260 $2495 $1995 Pixel Mag/Image Agent All scanners are shipped with HSD's PowerScan Professional Package which includes three powerful scanning applications for computers running NEXTSTEP: PowerScan 2.0, for scanning and image manipulation; PowerCopy, a "Services" based application which utilizes your scanner and printer to simulate a copy machine; PowerFax, a "Services" based application which utilizes your scanner and fax modem to simulate a paper fax machine. Each scanner system includes the following: - 24-bit Color Scanner - PowerScan Professional (PowerScan 2.0, PowerCopy, PowerFax) - Pixel Magician and Image Agent - Cable, terminator, power cord - One-year warranty - Available in 110v and 220v When ordering, please provide the following information: Shipping and Billing Information: Company Name: ____________________________________ Contact Name: ____________________________________ Address: _________________________________________ Address: _________________________________________ City: ____________________________________________ State: ___________________________________________ Postal Code: _____________________________________ Country: _________________________________________ Phone: ___________________________________________ Fax: _____________________________________________ Email: ___________________________________________ Product and Quantity: UC630 ______ @ $1295 (Includes FREE Software) UC840 ______ @ $1495 (Includes FREE Software) UC1260______ @ $1995 (Includes FREE Software) Pixel Magician/Image Agent Only ______ @ $149 Scanner Serial Number(s) _________________________ Please provide your HSD or Umax scanner serial number if you are ordering only Pixel Magician and Image Agent. Version of NEXTSTEP you are using: NEXTSTEP 3.0 or lower: ___________________________ NEXTSTEP 3.1 or higher: ___________________________ Method of Payment: Credit Card: (Visa, MasterCard or Amex) Card Number: _____________________________________ Name on Card: ____________________________________ Expiration Date: ________________________________ COD Company Check or Cashiers Check ______________ Terms available upon prior written authorization from HSD. Shipping is Collect Please fax or email your order to HSD at: Email: sales@hsd.com Fax: (408) 774-1402 ------------------------------------------- Pixel Magician Product Info: Pixel Magician, the advanced image conversion application for NEXTSTEP. Pixel Magician converts to and from all the popular image file formats: TIFF, GIF, PICT, PCX, DCX, RIB, JPEG, TARGA, PS, EPS, Windows BMP, Sun Raster, FAX, IFF/ILBM, MacPaint, XBM, XWD and MTV. Use the automated capabilities of the convert window to view, scale, rotate, quantize and convert an entire directory of image files with a single mouse click. Features: Mass image conversion, Image viewing, PostScript to Raster, Color Quantization, Error Diffusion Dithering, paletted formats, Precise scaling and rotating, variable aspect ratios and image resolutions, alpha channel support, image aliases, thumbnail views and flexible output options. Image Agent: With Image Agent users can simply drag and drop non-native image files directly into NEXTSTEP applications, such as Diagram! 2, Concurrence, Pages, TIFFany II, Wetpaint, Create, and have the images instantly appear. Image Agent transparently performs the image conversion as if it were part of the actual application in use. Supported image formats include: TIFF, GIF, PS, EPS, TARGA, PICT, MacPaint, PCX, DCX, Windows BMP, MTV, IFF/ILBM, Sun Raster, JPEG (JFIF), XWD, XBM and others. -- Sincerely, David W. Peter HSD Inc. -- Sincerely, David W. Peter HSD Inc.
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Errors installing DeveloperLibs.pkg Date: 28 Jan 1994 20:19:02 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2ibrvm$kho@gap.cco.caltech.edu> I've been unable to install NS3.2 DeveloperLibs.pkg due to errors (see below). I'm running NS3.2 from a 1G HD (lots of space, still), after upgrading from NS3.0. My system is a 25MHz color NeXTstation. The errors are below; any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks- Tim tec@alta.com From bottom of Installer's log view: > Running installation program ... Fri Jan 28 11:43:17 PST 1994 > Precomps.../NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/stdio.h:234: undefined type, found `FILE' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/stdio.h:272: undefined type, found `FILE' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:83: undefined type, found `clock_t' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:84: undefined type, found `time_t' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:84: undefined type, found `time_t' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:85: undefined type, found `time_t' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:85: forward struct declaration in function prototype > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:87: forward struct declaration in function prototype > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:90: undefined type, found `time_t' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:90: undefined type, found `time_t' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:91: forward struct declaration in function prototype > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:92: undefined type, found `time_t' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:93: undefined type, found `time_t' > /NextDeveloper/Headers/ansi/time.h:94: undefined type, found `time_t' > top level:0: cannot preparse... > **** There were errors while installing DeveloperLibs.pkg. > ... errors.
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: xwebster + websterd Date: 28 Jan 1994 21:12:21 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2ibv3l$sd5@news.tamu.edu> I'm trying to install xwebster on our decstation. I think I have it running, but I can't seem to find a webster server (some NeXT running websterd). I tried 26.0.0.73 and 10.0.0.51 on port 103, but both of these seem bogus. Anyone know if there are any public webster servers, or if I have the port number right (I also tried 2627)? Or perhaps nobody uses xwebster anymore, in which case perhaps someone could recommend an on-line dictionary+thesaurus... Oh, and the whole point is to use a remote dictionary, since I don't have a next handy at all times. Plus, I'd like a remote thesaurus, so ispell alone isn't adequate (unless it has a thesaurus and I don't know how to access it). Thanks, Andrew -- -- Andrew Duchowski | Nothing unreal exists. -- -- | -- -- Texas A&M University | -- Kiri-Kin-Tha's first law -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (NeXTmail ok) | of metaphysics --
From: ward@crl.com (Ward Mullins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.help Subject: Any recommendations on S3928 cards for NS/FIP 3.1? Date: 28 Jan 1994 14:54:33 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [login: guest] Message-ID: <2ic539$bsd@crl.crl.com> Summary: looking for best performing compatible card for money A friend of mine asked me to post for the best video card for NS/FIP 3.1, and I would presume it's going to be one of the S3928 cards. He doesn't want to spend a $1000 so the #9GXE level 29 is probably out of the question :) If anyone has a good suggestion for a 2MB VLB card which can be expanded to 3MB or preferrably 4MB as well as a decent RAMDAC to support the resolution and bitwidths of the extra memory, he would be greatly appreciative! Please email me with S3 cards you recommend, as well as those you *don't* recommend Thanks! ward
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tyl@cbnews.cb.att.com (ten-yu.lee) Subject: NeXT 68040 for sale Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:13:14 GMT Message-ID: <CKCtE4.516@cbnews.cb.att.com> I am posting this for my friend. If you have any questions please call him directly. thanks ---------------------NeXT for Sale ----------------------- NeXT station 68040 with 8MB RAM 525 MB Fujistu SCSI II Hard Drive Mathematica 2.1 $2500 (o) 614-268-9600 (h) 614-755-2796 Kevin Peng
From: andrew@phenxl.physics.wisc.edu (Andrew Barger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sink dock Date: 29 Jan 1994 00:23:07 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Message-ID: <2ica9b$kh8@news.doit.wisc.edu> I seem to remember a postscript program called "sink dock" or something of the sort. It made it possible for windows to cover up the dock. Does anyone know where it might be found, and if it still works under 3.2? Andrew Barger andrew@phenxl.physics.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: rene@rkt.in-berlin.de (Rene Kulschewski) Subject: Diskless boot Message-ID: <CKD2MB.1Lp@rkt.in-berlin.de> Sender: root@rkt.in-berlin.de (Operator) Organization: Home in Berlin Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 22:32:34 GMT Hi *, i would like to be able to boot a PC (diskless) via Network from an other PC running NeXTSTEP. Is it possible ?? Which bootproms i must use ?? Will i be able to boot other OS (e.g. 386BSD) from an PC running NeXTSTEP ?? Where can i get necessary information ?? Thanx Rene -- ____________________________________________________________________ Rene Kulschewski <rene@rkt.in-berlin.de> NeXTMail accepted.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Address (e-mail) to contact NeXT about 3.2 upgrade shipment? Message-ID: <n9240566.759788651@scooter> From: n9240566@scooter.cc.wwu.edu (Leif E. Harrison) Date: 28 Jan 94 20:24:11 GMT Sender: news@henson.cc.wwu.edu (USENET-WWU) Organization: Western Washington University Keywords: NeXTSTEP 3.2 motorola upgrade Summary: Forgot address to ask NeXT about 3.2 upgrade shipment A few months ago NeXT had available an e-mail address to check on the status of 3.2 upgrades and registration of 3.1. I forgot to keep the address and now I need it. (I *still* haven't gotten my 3.2 upgrade!) Last time I called, they said "Yes, you're registered to receive it", but I haven't yet. Time to check again! Anyhow, if anybody remembers this address, could they please mail it to me. Thanks a bunch! - Leif Harrison n9240566@henson.cc.wwu.edu rexfelis@bailey.cpac.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Subject: Re: Sink dock Message-ID: <1994Jan29.025354.10077@gleap.sccsi.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.sccsi.com Organization: GiantLeap Software References: <2ica9b$kh8@news.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 02:53:54 GMT Andrew Barger writes >I seem to remember a postscript program called "sink dock" or something of >the sort. It made it possible for windows to cover up the dock. Does >anyone know where it might be found, and if it still works under 3.2? > You can alt-click on the WSM Icon (top of dock) to send it to the back or bring it forward. On Intel, you may have to use the right-hand alt key. Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.sccsi.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-5853 or 363-9001 (Hou) (713) 363-9763 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aba@netcom.com (Alan Atlas) Subject: Re: Sending files: NeXT-->Mac Message-ID: <abaCKDDFM.LvA@netcom.com> Sender: Alan Atlas Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2i9bts$fjp@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 02:26:09 GMT In article <2i9bts$fjp@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> friel@swarthmore.edu (Patrick Friel) writes: >What techniques have people used to send files from NeXTs to Macs? We have >tried, but seem to be running into some problems getting out of a tar format. >-PWF I bought DataViz Bridge, which came on my NeXT slab (at least the way I got it from the people that actually bought it), for the Mac and I use it a lot. It works very well on the Mac, including lots of handy file format conversions. Come to think of it, I have never tried to send a file unconverted, so I don't know if it actually does that. BTW, DataViz doesn't seem to work well on my PC. Good luck. alan -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Atlas (714)707-5705 aba@netcom.com NEXTMail to alan@sarrus.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Moving RECYCLER off dock in 3.2 Message-ID: <1994Jan29.040453.29270@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <2ib9ko$scf@news.duke.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 04:04:53 GMT In article <2ib9ko$scf@news.duke.edu> blake015@mc.duke.edu(Denise Blakeley) writes: > Greg Lindholm writes > > In 3.1 I was able to move the RECYCLER off the dock by Command-Dragging > > it to the lower-left corner and it would stay there. With 3.2 it always > > is back on the dock when I log back in. > > > > Anyone know how to make it stay off the dock? > > Same way. To get it to _stay_ in the lower left you also need to put another > app icon in its original place at the lower right. (This was true in 3.1, > too.) I haven't noticed the need to fill it's place... Greg may have some ownership/permission problems with his .NeXT directory in his home directory, preventing the writing of the new location. Try using "chown -R <username> .NeXT" as root. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: begonia@abstractsoft.com (Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: What font packages are available these days? Date: 29 Jan 1994 00:35:53 GMT Organization: Abstract Software Message-ID: <2icb19$l8a@news.u.washington.edu> References: <2i9vvn$tl@usenet.rpi.edu> <1994Jan28.120131.21780@hot.com> Keywords: fonts In article <1994Jan28.120131.21780@hot.com> Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> writes: >WSI also sells fonts but I don't have their contact information >handy. We at Abstract Software sell WSI-Fonts, a collection of 123 fonts for NeXTSTEP. If you have questions you can reach us via e-mail at info@abstractsoft.com or by calling 206/361-5080. -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ``Another one of the flock following the herd.'' Abstract Software P.O. Box 25045 Seattle, WA 98125 206/361-5080 e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jblatt@aixesa.csc.wsu.edu (Jeffrey W. Blatt) Subject: Next-Attachment: NeXT Mail header field? Message-ID: <1994Jan28.203147.24326@serval.net.wsu.edu> Originator: jblatt@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Distribution: na Date: Fri, 28 Jan 94 20:31:47 GMT In all NeXT Mail messages there is the header field called Next-Attachment: I have included an example below, Next-Attachment: .tar.329.No_subject.attach, 549, 1/1, 792, 0 Can anyone tell me what the last four numbers mean. I would like to reconstruct this header line in some messages that have lost their's. -- jeffski - jblatt@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: kamau@netcom.com (Kamau Wanguhu) Subject: Re: Need CD-ROM drive for Upgrade Message-ID: <kamauCKDuqn.HxI@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <kamauCJzz46.HzM@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 08:39:57 GMT Thanks to all those who offered to help. I got a lot of help locally that I totally appreciated. Thanks again to all those who offered to help. Kamau Wanguhu (kamau@netcom.com) wrote: :=>I would like to borrow (or rent if the price is low) a CD ROM Drive from a :=>kind soul in the Sacramento area. I would need the drive for at most two (2) :=>days, just long enough to upgrade my machine from 3.0 to 3.2 and make a :=>backup 3.2 OD boot disk. :=>Please contact me at 916.381.8216 or by either of the E-Mail addresses listed :=>in my sig. :=>Thanks for you help. :=>Later :=>--- :=>=========================================================================== :=>E. Kamau Wanguhu :=>7715 College Town Drive, Apartment # 12 E-Mail:kamau@BORGcube.sac.ca.us :=>Sacramento, CA 95826~2313 or:kamau@netcom.com :=>Home Telephone: (916) 381-8216 (o o) Home FAX: (916) 381-4258 :=> -----ooO-(_)-Ooo----- :=>/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ :=>-- :=>===================================================================== :=>Kamau Wanguhu Phone:(916)381-8216 FAX:(916)381-4258 :=>Internet: kamau@borgcube.sac.ca.us or:kamau@netcom.com :=>NeXT mail Welcome :-) :=>===================================================================== -- =========================================================================== E. Kamau Wanguhu 7715 College Town Drive, Apartment # 12 E-Mail:kamau@BORGcube.sac.ca.us Sacramento, CA 95826~2313 or:kamau@netcom.com Home Telephone: (916) 381-8216 (o o) Home FAX: (916) 381-4258 -----ooO-(_)-Ooo----- /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mitsu@netcom.com (Mitsu Hadeishi) Subject: Exorcising NeXTStep? Message-ID: <mitsuCKE0C7.M50@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 10:40:54 GMT I'm trying to install OS/2, NT, DOS, and eventually NeXTStep on an old 400 meg IDE drive. The drive came to me with NeXTStep installed, but since I wanted to install a bunch of operating systems on it, I reformatted the disk after deleting all the partitions using OS/2 FDISK. However, even after doing this, when the computer boots, it gives me NEXTSTEP boot1 v1.28, and then just sits there. I'm guessing that the boot track of this disk has been overwritten by NeXTStep, much to my umbrage. Since then I've tried installing DOS 6.0 (again, removing all partitions and reformatting), and Windows NT (after removing all partitions and reformatting under NTFS). None of these procedures seems to recover the disk; though all disk operations work just fine, and the install programs are perfectly capable of seeing the drive, when I reboot the computer, it just gives me the same old NEXTSTEP boot1 v1.28. HOW DO I GET RID OF THE NEXTSTEP BOOT TRACK? Any and all help is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks. Please e-mail replies, if possible. Mitsu Hadeishi General Partner Open Mind Research mitsu@openmind.com
From: enyaw@quark.uucp (Wayne Simila-Dickinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I create 3.2 bootable od Message-ID: <znr759825766k@quark.uucp> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 94 06:42:46 GMT Organization: Wayne's World (hiz home) The subject says it. build disk does not create a "bootable" optical disk for NS 3.2 on my machine. Failing this is there a way to build a 3.1 od from the CD drive? Sorry if this isn't the best group to post in, but c.s.n.misc and c.s.n.marketplace are the only 2 NeXT groups I get.... -- more later. -Wayne ++===================================================================++ || Friends don't let friends use QWK on USENET || || Public PGP key available on request or by FINGER on quark || ++===================================================================++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) Subject: Re: Where is ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de Message-ID: <1994Jan27.073158.585@kurt.in-berlin.de> Sender: gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de References: <Jan.25.11.18.30.1994.27882@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 07:31:58 GMT In article <Jan.25.11.18.30.1994.27882@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > My school cannot find this ftp site. Could some one post the numerical > address? It seems to be a nice NeXT archive site. > > Thanks, Later, John Hi, do you really want a connect to ftp.PRZ.tu-berlin.de? Try ftp.zrz.tu-berlin.de, maybe that is what you want. Have fun, Gerald -------------------------------------------------------------- | GERALD ERDMANN | email: gerald @ kurt.in-berlin.de (NeXTmail welcome) | voice: +49 30 372 43 10 (Germany - Berlin) | crypt: pgp2 puplic key available
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mitsu@netcom.com (Mitsu Hadeishi) Subject: NeXTStep coexisting with other OSes? Message-ID: <mitsuCKE1p5.MqG@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 11:10:17 GMT I understand that it is possible to install NeXTStep along with DOS; however, how is NeXTStep's ability to coexist on an Intel platform with other operating systems? In particular, we have a need to run DOS, OS/2, NT, and NeXTStep. Is there some way to do this? NT will allow you to install it on any partition, so you can use the OS/2 Boot Manager to select NT as a bootable partition, for example. From a cursory examination of the NeXT fdisk man page, it doesn't look too good, but I'd like to find out if anyone knows anything about this. Thanks. Mitsu Hadeishi General Partner Open Mind Research mitsu@openmind.com
Control: cancel <mitsuCKE0C7.M50@netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mitsu@netcom.com (Mitsu Hadeishi) Subject: cmsg cancel <mitsuCKE0C7.M50@netcom.com> Message-ID: <mitsuCKE37J.Lq@netcom.com> Sender: mitsu@netcom.com (Mitsu Hadeishi) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <mitsuCKE0C7.M50@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 11:42:55 GMT <mitsuCKE0C7.M50@netcom.com> was cancelled from within rn.
From: hacker@access1.digex.net (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: More Mac printer questions Date: 29 Jan 1994 08:56:11 -0500 Organization: Fortress Of Computation Message-ID: <2idptr$t8p@access1.digex.net> System 7.X now has a Postscript button in the print dialog. Hooray! So now I use the fun Postscript button (in Printer dialog 7.1.2 on a Powebook) and it generates a Postscript file which I then move via floppy to my NeXT computer. Now I try and print or preview the file and... hey I'm getting errors. And no matter how I edit the file (like removing an offending %Page statement) I still come up with a blank screen. But there IS PS data in the file. I tried using the MACPS and PREPFIX utilities, hoping these might help but these are old timey utilities designed for system 6.0. No way are they helping me out here. So how do I print Postscript files I generate on the Mac on a NeXT printer? I tend to think that the Mac is the one with the problem because the NeXT's implementation of Potscript is practically the in-vivo reference model. Adobe and NeXT practically co-invented Postscript so it must be the Mac. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: setting up a swap disk Message-ID: <CKE9HF.JJy@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Laboratory Information Services References: <2i6qnh$8go@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <BYER.94Jan26162552@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> <2i98kg$btm@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 13:54:21 GMT Timothy E. Cushing (tec@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: : I was under the impression that you get enhanced speed with a swap disk vs : a swap file, since there would be less contention? overhead? something? If you have two separate devices both drives could be doing separate tasks simultaneously. This is the 'enhanced speed' that you reference. In your case, as it sounds like you'll have the swap on the same disk either way, it's too much of a hassle to try and swap to a separate partition. The only gain would be that when you fill the disk with the swapfile there's less chance of mashing inodes when the system panics if you swap onto another parition. Also, if you do use a separate disk to swap on, name it 'swapdisk' as Scott suggests but also change the entry in /etc/swaptab. While this isn't purely necessary, I've found from experience that it seems to be a good practice. It seems that occasionally the system (with a 'swapdisk') will come up swapping on it's / disk. Further, it has also been common for that host to panic occasionally for no reason other than a confusion about swapfiles. After changing /etc/swaptab things seem to have settled out and the hosts run normally again. On my hosts with swapdisks, the swapfile looks something like: /private/swapdisk/vm/swapfile lowat=16777216,hiwat=94371840,compress /private/vm/swapfile lowat=16777216 Where the swapdisks are 100MB disks and they'll flop over to the swapfile on the / partition when the 100MB disk gets full. The compress is typically very handy to keep the hosts from having to be rebooted as frequently. The experiences above are from 3.0 (not 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.0, 4.1, etc...) so your mileage may vary. peter -- Always looking for a handy place to nap... peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peter.a.eisch@uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ts110@cus.cam.ac.uk (T. Slivnik) Subject: NeXT UK Message-ID: <1994Jan29.140749.14019@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Sender: news@infodev.cam.ac.uk (USENET news) Organization: U of Cambridge, England Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 14:07:49 GMT Does NeXT UK still exist? If so, what is their phone number? I've asked directory enquiries but they weren't listed (in London). Please e-mail your replies. Thank you for your help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Hidden Secrets - Jack In The Box Message-ID: <CKEFFJ.J15@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <9401271824.AA19806@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 16:06:54 GMT In article <9401271824.AA19806@dcs.shef.ac.uk> M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) writes: > > > Press both Alternate Keys simulataneously and double-click the PC > > > icon within the Info panel. > > > > > How the heck can you do that? I can't grab both alternate keys with a > > single hand, so end up using the right hand for the key and the > > double-click!?! Maybe it should stay a secret so nobody gets sued for > > broken fingers. :-) > > > I think it should stay a secret so NeXT doesn't get accused of being > > sexist again ;-) > > Have fun, > > mmalcolm. > Sexist? Hell, I'm 6'2" and every time my mom looks at my hands she regrets not having me pursue the piano - and I can't reach both alt keys! Cheers - Jon --- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: josh@vegiwopr.calpoly.edu (testing teeesting again) Subject: Re: Configuring boot mgr? Message-ID: <1994Jan29.163606.129727@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo References: <759198696snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> <2hp9hb$6vk@news.service.uci.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 16:36:06 GMT In article <2hp9hb$6vk@news.service.uci.edu>, Feng Liu <feng@jedi.eng.uci.edu> wrote: >In article <759198696snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> rob@brewster.demon.co.uk >(Rob Heyes) writes: >> In article <CJzL0s.4qG@rdcalr.realdec.com> dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean >Banfield) writes: > >How does it work? I don't quite understand what you mean by time out to >os/2 boot menu? He means that the os2 boot manager is on another partition and the Nextstep Bootmanager defaults to that if no key is hit in a certain time period. >If you have the OS/2 boot manager as the active partition, shouldn't the >machine boot up with the boot manager first and then let you choose which >partition to go? >This is what I did and had trouble. >I used OS/2 to make 3 partitions > 1. the boot manager 1Mb > 2. the DOS and OS/2 partition where I install both DOS and OS/2 > 3. An extended DOS partition >I then install Next Step in the extended DOS partition. >When I boot the machine and select th NeXT partition from the OS/2 boot >manager, the screen shows one line: next step ........ >but would not boot NeXTSTEP. >If I select the DOS partition it boots fine. First of all - DON'T PUT THE OS2 BM FIRST! Put dos first. What dos are you using, 6? If you are using 6, you should use the os2 fdisk or the dos 5 fdisk. Dos 6 is supposedly not compatible with dos 5 or NS or os2. How to get it all to work: Format this stuff with os2, or dos5: Dos partition os2 partition (or share the dos partition) os2 boot manager Do NOT create a partition for NS. Leave it as 'free space'. Note: If you screw up and install the BM at the beginning og the drive, NS will not find your dos partition and will prompt you everytime it boots to format the 1 meg os2 bootmanager partition. Ok - now go install NS and select the 'Use Free space for NextStep' (or what ever it's called) to install NS. Worked for me.. (even though I ended up erasing os2 since NS made it look so... useless ;) After you get everything installed, use some fdisk to select the bootmanager as the active partition (so it defaults as boot). josh ps - sorry about my name field at the moment - long story.
From: sbender@access3.digex.net (Scott Bender) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Please Help!! Can't boot NSFIP anymore! Date: 29 Jan 1994 11:44:54 -0500 Organization: Harmony Data Systems Message-ID: <2ie3q6$gsi@access3.digex.net> Please Help!! I can longer boot NeXTSTEP. While trying to configure a ProAudioSpectrum I was getting time outs from my DPT2022, and the boot process got stuck after checking the root device. I then removed the PAS16 and while rebooting, I got this: Load of /etc/mach_init failed, errno 13, trying /etc/init Load of /etc/init failed, errno 13 The boot process stops here, no more messages. As usuall I have'nt made a backup in about a month. There's very important information on my system that I can't get acces to. Is there a way to boot off CDROM or floppy, so that I can at least backup important files before reinstalling? I use black hardware at work. Would it be possible to mount this drive (a Micropolis 2210 SCSI) and backup or repair from there. If you have any idea how to fix this please send e-mail. I'll post a summary when I get the problem resolved. Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott Bender | E-Mail: sbender@Mountain.Net, Harmony Data Systems | 76057.653@compuserve.com or 2141 Wisconsin Ave NW Unit 504 | sbender@access.digex.net Washington, DC 20007 | (NeXT-Mail Accepted) Voice & Fax: 202-342-1214 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scp@sonia.math.ucla.edu (S. Port) Subject: Re: Converting Multi-Disk .pkg's to a Single .pkg file Message-ID: <1994Jan29.085338.22817@math.ucla.edu> Sender: news@math.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department References: <2i9h2e$br6@news.duke.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 94 08:53:38 GMT In article <2i9h2e$br6@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu writes: >Howdy do! > >I'm being stymied by the bug in NS3.1 for black hardware in dealing with >PLI SuperFloppies on the SCSI bus. I need to know if there is a way of >taking each chunk from a separate .pkg file on a disk (say WordPerfect >for example), transferring them individually over to the hard drive, >reassembling them into one .pkg, and then firing up Installer.app? > >Any thoughts would be appreciated. Any takers can follow-up on the >net if they wish. > >Peace >-- >| Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | >| Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | >| Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | >| Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: dhinz@dread (Thomas Hintz) Subject: How to combine chunks? Message-ID: <CKEDF8.290@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> Summary: mousex Keywords: mousex Sender: news@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (IT Netnews) Organization: US WEST Information Technologies Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 15:23:32 GMT MouseX people, I down loaded the X11R5-basics.tar.Z.chunk.* files from cs.orst.edu but now need to now if I need to do something special to combine these files into one large file before decompressing and untarring. Or do I just decompress/untar each of the chunks? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, david Hinz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Adaptec 1542B SCSI WITH From: tim.romano@satalink.com (Tim Romano) Distribution: world Message-ID: <1.4880.2590.0N27BCAC@satalink.com> References: <1994Jan26.210926.10404@news.qut.edu.au> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 94 18:05:00 -0640 Organization: DSC/Voicenet * Ivyland, PA * (215) 443-9434 M>6.10404@news.qut.edu.au> M>Newsgroup: comp.sys.next.misc M>From: murrayb@fit.qut.edu.au (Murray Bent) M>Organization: Queensland University of Technology M>I have an Adaptec 1542B scsci controller card in the old AT bus, M>and apparently I cannot use the floppy but need to have a separate M>floppy controller card - is this right? Certainly I don't thru the M>entire boot sequence with floppy attached to the 1542B - I lose M>the keyboard and cannot type the responses needed to configure a M>new installation of NextStep 3.2. Has this happened to anyone? M>I've tried a separate floppy controller card, and without the 1542B M>it boots the NextStep boot disk OK. But with the 1542B card in the M>machine as well, (floppy drive still connected to its own floppy M>controller card) the machine ignores the floppy and tries to boot from M>the hard disk. What settings should I have on the SCSI 1542B card, M>please? I have the manual somewhere miles from here.. Murray, Jumper 8 pin 1 is floppy enable. "On the 1542BS100 series, if the floppy enable pin is removed, remove all jumpers from J8" (quote from AHA-1540B/1542B Installation Guide). My 1542B has an old ROM and could never use the floppy under DOS or OS2 even when enabled because of a bug. Adaptec sent me an upgrade free of charge. I haven't used it with NeXTSTEP. Hope this is of some use to you until someone with the NS settings replies. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Tim Romano Swarthmore Pennsylvania tim.romano@satalink.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* --- þ CmpQwk #UNREGþ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
From: sbender@access1.digex.net (Scott Bender) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Please Help!! Can't boot NSFIP anymore! Date: 29 Jan 1994 15:42:28 -0500 Organization: Harmony Data Systems Message-ID: <2iehnk$h96@access1.digex.net> References: <2ie3q6$gsi@access3.digex.net> Sorry to waste everyones time, but I finally got my disk back up. I took the disk to work and hooked it up to a white machine with NSIP. I then ran a fsck on the drive, which removed most of the files in /private/etc, and then replaced the missing files. Every thing runs fine now. Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott Bender | E-Mail: sbender@Mountain.Net, Harmony Data Systems | 76057.653@compuserve.com or 2141 Wisconsin Ave NW Unit 504 | sbender@access.digex.net Washington, DC 20007 | (NeXT-Mail Accepted) Voice & Fax: 202-342-1214 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: Re: Librarian problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <1994Jan27.140353.592@dbulm1.uucp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 08:58:53 GMT Message-ID: <1994Jan29.085853.8409@proximus.north.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jochen Gloger (gloger@dbulm1.uucp) wrote: > Hi, > we are having some problems when using WriteNow files with Librarian. > > Since NeXTSTEP 3.0 (we are currently running 3.1) Digital Librarian does no > longer work with WriteNow files. It simply does not find any entry! Does > anybody know a solution to this problem? > Actually this is a FAQ: The solution is to put the following entry in a file called ThirdPartyFilters.service in ~/Library/Services, or /LocalLibrary/Services. Filter: Port: NXUNIXSTDIO Send Type: NXTypedFilenamePboardType:wn Return Type: NXRTFPboardType Executable: /LocalApps/WriteNow.app/wn-rtf Filter: Port: NXUNIXSTDIO Send Type: NXTypedFilenamePboardType:frame Return Type: NXAsciiPboardType Executable: /LocalApps/FrameMaker.app/frame-ascii This is for both, WriteNow and FrameMaker. Of course you have to choose the correct path for the executables. Gerhard. -- +---------------------------< principiis obsta! >---------------------------+ N Gerhard Moeller, Hetzg. 32/11, A-1030 Wien (Austria) [*: 02/21/1968] N e Private: gemoe@proximus.north.de Phone (voice): +43-1-7151531 e X Uni: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE NeXTmail X T Z-Net: Gerhard.Moeller@uniol.zer encouraged! T +-> NoGeNUG - Northern German NeXT User Group: NoGeNUG@proximus.north.DE <-+
From: ice@nova.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Encryption? Date: 29 Jan 1994 15:50:51 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Message-ID: <2iei7b$qv8@nova.umd.edu> Out of curiosity, what happened to the Encrypt/Decrypt services in Mail.app, and the "For Your Eyes Only" application? I have a vague memory that there was talk about putting them into 3.0 (yes, this was a long time ago), but they apparently were left out. Hm?
From: icardena@dcl-nxt09 (Ian Patrick Cardenas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What should I pay for... Date: 29 Jan 1994 23:18:26 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2ieqs2$d5n@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Hello there. I was wondering what one would expect to pay for a machinre configured as follows: like new, rarely used, NeXT cube model N1000. 17" monochrome monitor 345 Mbyte internal hard drive with operating system loaded optical drive ethernet keyboard, mouse DSP sound, microphone built in external scsi bus for expansion 4 asynchronous serial/ 1 Centronics parallel scsi port expander box this means cheap off the shelf modems and/or printers can be used I believe it has an '030 and am unsure about the amount of RAM (probably around 8-16MB?) I also had a couple of questions about expandibility. 1) Does all a mono NeXTcube need to display color a Color monitor? I know this must seem silly but I don't know how a computer could be built _not_ to support color. I hope a NeXTdimension board isn't neccassary... 2) How easy is it to upgrade from an '030 to an '040 ... and how expensive? Thanx for taking the time to read this... :) -Ian -- *x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x* X Ian P.Cardenas X Love- Floats like a flower petal, X CS Major at UIUC X stings like a cattleprod X Mudaholic X X icardena@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu X
From: mgilula@inca.gate.net (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Converting Multi-Disk .pkg's to a Single .pkg file Date: 29 Jan 1994 18:49:32 -0500 Message-ID: <2iesmc$o1n@inca.gate.net> References: <2i9h2e$br6@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu wrote: : Howdy do! : I'm being stymied by the bug in NS3.1 for black hardware in dealing with : PLI SuperFloppies on the SCSI bus. Me too! My understanding is that if you use this fd with 3.1 or 3.2, you are supposed to get /etc/disk from 3.0 and replaced the (now hosed) 3.1 or 3.2 version sorry if my comment isn't directly into the .pkg problem but my fd generally causes a system panic whenever trying to format a hd fd. I need to know if there is a way of : taking each chunk from a separate .pkg file on a disk (say WordPerfect : for example), transferring them individually over to the hard drive, : reassembling them into one .pkg, and then firing up Installer.app? : Any thoughts would be appreciated. Any takers can follow-up on the : net if they wish. : Peace : -- : | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | : | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | : | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | : | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> So I would appreciate feedback because I can't even get my PLI to do what Dean says his will do -73- | -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@inca.gate.net el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply*****
From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rumors of Upgrading from 3.0 to 3.2 Message-ID: <2ibiil$p6j@bilbo.suite.com> Date: 28 Jan 94 17:38:29 GMT Organization: Suite Software Could someone please comment on whether the following rumors are true? The following pertain to black hardware. 1. I have heard that it is possible to upgrade directly to NS3.2 from NS3.0 (without going through the NS3.1 upgrade step). True? 2. I have also heard that it is NOT possible to upgrade NS3.0J at all! NS3.0J is the Japanese-environment version of NEXTSTEP. This would mean I would have to reinstall NS3.0 from scratch, and then proceed, or wait until NS3.2J comes out. True? Thanks for your input. Mark-Tarbell@suite.com ep). True? 2. I have also heard that it is NOT possible to upgrade NS3.0J at all! NS3.0J is the Japanese-environment version of NEXTSTEP. This
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cmart@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (Chris Martin) Subject: Some Questions about NS/FIP 3.2 Message-ID: <cmart-290194144043@cisco-slip7.acc.virginia.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 19:40:43 GMT Hello, I have a few questions about NS/FIP 3.2 I would appreciate any answers provided, or I would like to be pointed to where I can find these answers myself. I have looked through the NeXTAnswers and have found them lacking somewhat. Is there a NS/FIP FAQ? OK, now for the questions... 1. Can NS/FIP be booted from OS/2's bootmanager? From a second IDE HD, possibly using a small NS boot partition or something? 2. How bad is the DOS partition >64megs problem listed in the NeXTAnswers Techsupport docs, and should I worry. 3. Would the #9GXE VLB card give me good performance, are there cheaper or better graphics solutions, how much RAM should be on the card. 4. Is the Ultrastor 34f VLB SCSI controller going to be supported any time soon? Thanks a lot. I plan to install NS/FIP as soon as I get a new graphics card, and just needed to find some info out before I start re-partitioning things. -- Chris Martin -- All Opinions expressed are mine cmart@uva386.schools.virginia.edu "Never Hesitate to Obfuscate"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: Installer & CD Packages Message-ID: <1994Jan29.212952.24503@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <2i6r7c$8os@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 1994 21:29:52 GMT There's nothing wrong with what you're doing. NeXT limits the options available to the user at install time to limit the number of things that could go wrong. An sophisticated user would know what to do for special cases anyhow. You did. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting In article <2i6r7c$8os@gap.cco.caltech.edu> tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) writes: > In trying to install the stray packages from the NS3.2 CD-ROM onto an > external HD, I noticed that it didn't give my any choice but to install > them at "/" (which is a meager 100M drive). > > I found I had to copy the package to a HD, edit the *.info file inside > the package (change Relocatable to YES), run the modified package thru > Installer then go back and delete the modified package to scavange the > disk space. > > Seems like a lot of trouble, and no real purpose to NeXT not making it > relocatable in the first place. > > Any ideas why? Or whats wrong with doing this? Or...? > > Timothy Cushing > (tec@alta.com)
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sink dock Date: 30 Jan 1994 03:52:35 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ifau3$10v@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2ica9b$kh8@news.doit.wisc.edu> andrew@phenxl.physics.wisc.edu (Andrew Barger) writes: > I seem to remember a postscript program called "sink dock" or > something of the sort. It made it possible for windows to cover > up the dock. Does anyone know where it might be found, and if > it still works under 3.2? I doubt you need it in 3.2. In release 3.2 (and maybe earlier?), you can cause the dock to "sink" by pressing the alternate key while clicking on the main dock icon (the one with the cube on it). Another alternate-click will bring it back on top of all windows. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: elitman@nxstep.com (Eric Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Doom with sound Date: 30 Jan 1994 05:04:15 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2iff4f$vq@hecate.umd.edu> At the East Coast developer conference last week, there was a version of Doom running under NeXTSTEP with sounds. Anybody know anything about this? -Eric
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to combine chunks? Date: 30 Jan 94 05:45:53 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <jeffo.759908753@uiuc.edu> References: <CKEDF8.290@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> Keywords: mousex Thomas Hintz- Your news software is broken. You should have either a Reply-To: field or a fully qualified address in your From: line. Thomas Hintz writes: >I down loaded the X11R5-basics.tar.Z.chunk.* files >from cs.orst.edu but now need to now if I need to do something >special to combine these files into one large file before decompressing >and untarring. Or do I just decompress/untar each of the chunks? I believe you can simply move or copy the first chunk to the place where you want the fully assembled .tar.Z file to be and the File Viewer will either prompt you for the remaining chunks or find them in the current directory. All my chunking experience is from using many floppies, but it might work the same if done from the hard disk. -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (*NO* NeXTmail please)
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT UK Date: 30 Jan 1994 05:01:13 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401301102.AA27463@dcs.shef.ac.uk> > Does NeXT UK still exist? If so, what is their phone number? > Yes, NeXT UK still exists! Some of the original people are even still there...! :-) the numbers are: 081 565 0005 (vox) 081 565 0016 (fax) Feel free to contact me if you want to know any more about the UK-NEXTSTEP-User Group. Have fun, mmalcolm. --- SHeffield Auditory Group | Vox : (+44) 742 768555 ext 5569 Dept. Computer Science | direct : 825569 Sheffield University | Fax : (+44) 742 780972 Regent Court | Email: malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk 211 Portobello Street | (NeXTMail welcome) Sheffield S1 4DP, UK. | (Read-Receipts discouraged :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: mburg@westwerk.cube.de (Michael Burgstahler) Subject: Looking for vector-graphics-conversion Message-ID: <1994Jan28.153724.2266@westwerk.cube.de> Keywords: conversion, DTP Sender: mburg@westwerk.cube.de Organization: Westwerk Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:37:24 GMT We are doing complex DTP-jobs with a NeXT-colorstation. Despite of a rich collection of DTP-software and utilities (Virtuoso, Illustrator, FrameMaker, Tailor, ...) we haven t discovered a tool for importing vector-graphics from various PC-based graphic packages. Conversion utilities like Pixel Magician will work mostly with bitmap file-formats. I wonder if there is an utility to convert vector-formats like CGM (Computer Graphics Metafile), MacIntosh PICT, Lotus PIC, WordPerfect WPG, HPGL, ... Thanks for responding, Michael Burgstahler -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) Two Tribes Informationsgestaltung GmbH Forststrasse 163/1 70193 Stuttgart GERMANY Fon 0711 / 638360 Fax 0711 / 634696 ****************************************** -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) Two Tribes Informationsgestaltung GmbH Forststrasse 163/1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: mburg@westwerk.cube.de (Michael Burgstahler) Subject: Problem with Ohlfs-Font Message-ID: <1994Jan28.155657.2473@westwerk.cube.de> Sender: mburg@westwerk.cube.de Organization: Westwerk Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 15:56:57 GMT We have a little, annoying problem with the System-Font Ohlfs. We use it as non-proportional System Font with 10 pt. But several characters (G,Q,Y,Z, ...) are looking bolder than normal when they appear. The cursor position is affected by the occurence of these "defect" characters - the more of these characters occur in a line, the further is the cursor shifted from its correct position. Anyone got clues for this problem ? Maybe there is s.th. wrong with the 10pt screen font ? Thanks for responding, Michael Burgstahler -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) Two Tribes Informationsgestaltung GmbH Forststrasse 163/1 70193 Stuttgart GERMANY Fon 0711 / 638360 Fax 0711 / 634696 ****************************************** -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) Two Tribes Informationsgestaltung GmbH Forststrasse 163/1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: mburg@westwerk.cube.de (Michael Burgstahler) Subject: Anyone heard of NS3.2 printing problems ? Message-ID: <1994Jan28.163629.2749@westwerk.cube.de> Sender: mburg@westwerk.cube.de Organization: Westwerk Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 16:36:29 GMT A friend of mine is working as PostScript consultant for several print shops and DTP service bureaus. Today he warned me to update our NeXTstations with NS3.2. He reported severe problems with color separation, RIP hangups and film recording jobs under NS3.2. Even small and absolutely flawless PostScript jobs chrash the whole system in the print shop. With NS3.1 everything has worked correctly. Has anyone seen similar problems ? Thanks for responding, Michael Burgstahler -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) Two Tribes Informationsgestaltung GmbH Forststrasse 163/1 70193 Stuttgart GERMANY Fon 0711 / 638360 Fax 0711 / 634696 ****************************************** -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) Two Tribes Informationsgestaltung GmbH Forststrasse 163/1
From: next2@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Anyone heard of NS3.2 printing problems ? Date: 30 Jan 94 13:36:02 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <next2.759936962@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <1994Jan28.163629.2749@westwerk.cube.de> mburg@westwerk.cube.de (Michael Burgstahler) writes: >A friend of mine is working as PostScript consultant for several print shops >and DTP service bureaus. Today he warned me to update our NeXTstations with >NS3.2. >He reported severe problems with color separation, RIP hangups and film >recording jobs under NS3.2. Even small and absolutely flawless PostScript jobs >chrash the whole system in the print shop. With NS3.1 everything has worked >correctly. >Has anyone seen similar problems ? No, we don't have any problems with NS 3.2 PostScript code on our Xerox DocuTech RIP. However, I can only speak for black and white jobs and not about color separation. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Expert in quantum bogodynamics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Some Questions about NS/ From: tim.romano@satalink.com (Tim Romano) Distribution: world Message-ID: <1.4927.2590.0N27BD2B@satalink.com> References: <cmart-290194144043@cisco-slip7.acc.virginia.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 94 09:55:00 -0640 Organization: DSC/Voicenet * Ivyland, PA * (215) 443-9434 Chris Martin in C>Message-ID: <cmart-290194144043@cisco-slip7.acc.virginia.edu> C>From: cmart@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (Chris Martin) writes C>I have a few questions about NS/FIP 3.2 C>I would appreciate any answers provided, or I would C>like to be pointed to where I can find these answers myself. C>I have looked through the NeXTAnswers and have found them C>lacking somewhat. Is there a NS/FIP FAQ? C>OK, now for the questions... C>1. Can NS/FIP be booted from OS/2's bootmanager? From a second IDE C>HD, possibly C> using a small NS boot partition or something? C>2. How bad is the DOS partition >64megs problem listed in the C>NeXTAnswers Techsupport docs, and should I worry. C>3. Would the #9GXE VLB card give me good performance, are there C>cheaper or better graphics solutions, how much RAM should be on the C>card. 4. Is the Ultrastor 34f VLB SCSI controller going to be C>supported any time soon? There is a 3-page document available from NeXT, entitled "The Intel Boot Process", which describes the procedure for installing a small (7mb) NeXT boot partition with the remainder of the OS on a second drive. The copy I have does not have an Entry Number; it was last revised in on 29 December 93. I was not aware of the 64mb DOS partition limitation to which you refer. Could you post the reference? Thanks. Tim -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Tim Romano Swarthmore Pennsylvania tim.romano@satalink.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* --- þ CmpQwk #UNREGþ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: murrayb@fit.qut.edu.au (Murray Bent) Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542B SCSI WITH Message-ID: <1994Jan30.182411.9584@news.qut.edu.au> Sender: news@news.qut.edu.au (USENET News System) Organization: Queensland University of Technology References: <1.4880.2590.0N27BCAC@satalink.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 94 18:24:11 GMT Thanks, I can boot now, but I still get the same hang in the installation, regardless of which floppy controller I use ( the Adaptec or a 2nd dedicated one). The Intel boot preocess stops with the message THIS IS NOT AN UPGRADE. IT IS A COMPLETE INSTALLATION FROM SCRATCH. Type 1 to prepare to install NextStep. Type 2 to quit. --> Here I lose the keyboard (it had just loaded PCKeyboard0). I've tried a bus bare of cards, a new keyboard, a French language install etc. This machine has run Solaris 2.1, UNIX SVR4, Linux, Windows NT and DOS ... but NOT NextStep 3.2!! bye Murray --- LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Murray Bent - Research Assistant LL' `LL LLL`. L School of Information Systems L .LLL. L LLL LL LLL Queensland University of Technology L LLLLL L LLL LL LLL Gardens Point Campus L. L. ` .L LLL LL LLL PO Box 2434 Brisbane 4000 Australia LLL._ . `LL_ _LLL LLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL voice:+61 7 8641966 fax:+61 7 8641969 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL email: murrayb@fit.qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bpatters@nyx.cs.du.edu (Blake Patterson) Subject: NeXT Message-ID: <1994Jan30.200340.13427@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Date: Sun, 30 Jan 94 20:03:40 GMT I was wondering...is the NeXT Step OS-baesd machine functional as a lone machine?? That is, is one going to REALLY feel pain because he is not tied into a network of Unix machines? I am considering purchasing a NeXT Step 486/DX-2 66 machine, and am wondering about iis functionality in my home. Of course, I do have a high-speed modem, and Internet access, but this would be used IN MY HOME. bp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fabien@free.fdn.org (Fabien Roy) Subject: Re: setting up a swap disk Message-ID: <1994Jan28.175755.694@free.fdn.org> Sender: news@free.fdn.org Organization: Fabien Roy Electronic Engineering (F.R.E.E.) - Paris, France. References: <CKAMvI.Fqt@dvorak.amd.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 17:57:55 GMT In article <CKAMvI.Fqt@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes: > In article <BYER.94Jan26162552@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> byer@mv.us.adobe.com > (Scott Byer) writes: > >> > >>In article <2i6qnh$8go@gap.cco.caltech.edu> tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. > Cushing) writes: > >> > >>> Is there a problem with partitioning a drive to use part of it > >>> for swapping and leave a piece for a bootable system for backup > >>> (emergency, not archive)? > >> > >>No, but why partition it when Mach can use swapfiles? :-) Set it > >>up as a single partition, and point your primary swap location at > >>a spot on the disk. > >> > >>However, it's *trivial* to get the *whole* disk as a swapdisk. > >>Simply change the label to "swapdisk". Upon the next boot, Mach > >>will use the entire disk automatically. Really. > >> > > Scott speaks the truth...I know...I did it. > > -- > Ronald Pomeroy > Advanced Micro Devices > CAM Applications Group > rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com Remember to set lowat=16777216,hiwat=31457280 (no blanks) to reflect the size of the swapdisk in the /etc/rc.swap, it is set by default to 31457280 bytes (assuming 40Meg swapdisk 31457280 bytes for swapping, the rest used for /tmp directory). Cheers 8^) --Fabien ___________________________________________________________________ Fabien Roy fabien@free.fdn.org NeXTmail OK
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Date: 30 Jan 1994 21:21:25 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2ih8cl$o1d@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <1994Jan30.200340.13427@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Blake Patterson writes > I was wondering...is the NeXT Step OS-baesd machine > functional as a lone machine?? That is, is one going to > REALLY feel pain because he is not tied into a network of Unix > machines? I am considering purchasing a NeXT Step 486/DX-2 66 > machine, and am wondering about iis functionality in my home. > Of course, I do have a high-speed modem, and Internet access, > but this would be used IN MY HOME. I suppose that depends on what you do, but I'd say in general the answer is YES. I've been using my NeXT in essentially that way for 3 years now. For the last two, I've been connected to a network, but only for the purposes of email, ftp, and the like. The network does not provide me with any other services. I could survive very well without it (except, of course, that I'd have to find other ways to avoid working :-) Of course, you'll need a bigger HD, since you have to keep all your apps on your disk instead of having them on a server. Ciao, Stefano --- Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University, Stanford CA 94305-6084 Tel 415-725-0939, Fax 415-725-7007 Email spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 30 Jan 1994 22:27:59 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2ihtrv$ihb@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe The ftp sites ------------- cs.orst.edu: The main site for North American submissions nova.cc.purdue.edu: Lots of older stuff, but very short on disk space ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: In Germany. terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) and cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp.next.com: See the below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ------------------------------------- From the document 1000_Help from ftp.next.com Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, or you can transfer them by anonymous ftp. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. 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If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
From: blumoose@bard.MIT.EDU (David W. Gotthold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help, my mouse is dying Date: 31 Jan 1994 04:35:43 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ii1qv$htl@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Keywords: mouse, starting kit, buy Well, after three years, the mouse that came with my NeXT is dying. What I need now is any information on either how I can get this one fixed, or how I can get a replacement one. If anyone has an old (non-ADB) mouse or starting kit lying around that they want to sell, I'd be interested in buying it as my NeXT is rather difficult to use right now. Responding directly by email is best, as I don't always have time to read news. Thanks. -- David Gotthold............................(617) 232-2268 blumoose@bard.mit.edu (NeXT Mail).........58 Manchester Rd. blumoose@athena.mit.edu...................Brookline MA, 02146
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: NEXTSTEP Fonts From Trilithon Software [Was Re; What font packages are available?] Message-ID: <1994Jan30.195053.2045@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <2i9vvn$tl@usenet.rpi.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 19:50:53 GMT In article <2i9vvn$tl@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: * Back when I got my NeXTstation, I bought the Adobe Plus * Pack from NeXTconnection. This gave me all the fonts that * a standard laserwriter has, but which NeXT doesn't ship in * their default set. * Is that package still available these days? I'll probably * be interested in fonts for my NS/Intel machine, assuming * the PC I'm interested in ever gets certified for NS/Intel... Adobe no longer make the Plus Pack Adobe also no longer make the Adobe Type Set 1, 2, 3, packages. What's current is a package called Adobe Type Basics -- it has sixty five faces, including the Standard Thirty Five[*], and includes two of the Tekton faces. It retails for $198. This in my opinion is a Good Deal, because the packages purchased separately would come out around $3,000. A list of the fonts in the Adobe Type Basics package is appended to this message. [*] For those unfamiliar with this term, the ``Standard Thirty Five'' refers to the set of ROM fonts found in most LaserWriters such as the IINTX, IIf/IIg, Pro630, and so on. * The NeXT FAQ list claims that RightBrain still distributes * fonts for NeXTSTEP, but clearly that isn't true these days. * And if I remember right, they didn't have the Plus Pack * back when they did handle most Adobe fonts for NeXTSTEP. RightBrain no longer distribute Adobe fonts for NEXTSTEP. Everybody please amend your FAQ lists and your NEXTSTEP folklore databases. For NEXTSTEP format fonts, we [Trilithon Software] are an authorised Adobe reseller and supply Adobe fonts for NEXTSTEP. We can also obtain some fonts from other vendors and package them for NEXTSTEP. Adobe no longer manufacture fonts in NEXTSTEP format. Adobe are still directing people to RightBrain when they should be directing people to us, but that should change over time -- it's only been about three months since we obtained our reseller status. Both the NeXT FAQ list and the comp.fonts FAQ list are slightly out of date. I informed the keepers of the lists some time ago. The latest comp.fonts FAQ was still referencing RightBrain, and I posted a correction to the FAQ in comp.fonts. Adobe's latest Font and Function catalog is the Fall 1993 version. A new version is scheduled to appear sometime in April/May time. Adobe recenty announced a twenty-five percent cut in prices. Note that the cut doesn't apply to Adobe's Type Basics package, their Value Pack, or to their Wild Type package. Please also note that the Fall 1993 Font and Function had lots of items on sale [prices listed in red]. The special sale expired at the end of December. For Type 1 PostScript fonts for NEXTSTEP: Write To: Trilithon Software, Two Ohlone, Portola Valley, California 94028. Telephone: (415) 325-0767 FAX: (415) 325-0768 E-mail: info@trilithon.com ........ Henry ====================================================================== FONTS IN ADOBE TYPE BASICS PACKAGE Adobe Caslon Regular Adobe Caslon Italic Adobe Caslon Semibold Adobe Caslon Semibold Italic Adobe Garamond Regular Adobe Garamond Italic Adobe Garamond Bold Adobe Garamond Bold Italic Americana Americana Extra Bold Avant Garde Book Avant Garde Book Oblique Avant Garde Demi Avant Garde Demi Oblique Barmeno Medium Barmeno Regular Barmeno Bold Barmeno Extra Bold Blackoak Bookman Demi Bookman Demi Italic Bookman Light Bookman Light Italic Carta Courier Courier Oblique Courier Bold Courier Bold Oblique Formata Regular Formata Medium Italic Formata Italic Formata Medium Helvetica Bold Helvetica Bold Oblique Helvetica Narrow Bold Helvetica Narrow Bold Oblique Helvetica Narrow Oblique Helvetica Narrow Helvetica Oblique Helvetica Kaufmann Lithos Black Lithos Regular New Century Schoolbook Bold New Century Schoolbook Bold Italic New Century Schoolbook Italic New Century Schoolbook Roman Palatino Bold Palatino Bold Italic Palatino Italic Palatino Roman Parisian Park Avenue Poetica Supplemental Ornaments Symbol Tekton Tekton Bold Times Bold Times Bold Italic Times Italic Times Roman Trajan Bold Woodtype Ornaments Two Zapf Chancery Medium Italic Zapf Dingbats ======================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nylee@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Namyong Lee-1) Subject: DB25 to centris ? Message-ID: <nylee.759999673@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 07:01:13 GMT Hi, I have a Mac SCSI HardDisk which has DB25 as a connector. Does anyone has experience/information about DB25 to cem centris 50pin connector? I'd like to connect this External HD to my next station. Thanks for any information. nylee@staff.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Paul Harrald Subject: -Advice on purchase wanted. Message-ID: <1994Jan26.204333.6003@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca (seymour news) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Distribution: World Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 20:43:33 GMT Taking up a new job this summer in the U.K. I've been told I can go shopping for a machine of my choice, in aroud the $4500 range. I'll use th machine for C programming, wordprocessing in LaTeX, Mma, and internet stuff, which has been great on the NeXTstation I currently use, which doesn't belong to me. I'm fishing for advice on what to buy, taking for granted that I want to run NeXTstep on it, and would appreciate any comments to this effect! Much appreciated.... -- Paul Harrald NeXTmail: harrald@alice.comm.sfu.ca Department of Economics other: harrald@sfu.ca Simon Fraser University Burnaby B.C. Canada V5A 1S6
From: wkwong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waihon A Kwong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Turn off NeXTPrinter..... Date: 30 Jan 1994 03:42:25 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2ifab1$dak@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hi ALL, Is there anybody put a cron job to turn off the NeXTprinter from time to time? Would you enlighten me how this can be done..... There is a short note in the FAQ, but I hope someone have a automatic power off capability. Please drop me a line if you know how, Thanks. Andy ==================== Subject: M11. What can I do to prevent my NeXT printer from running all the time? The NeXT 400dpi printer powers up every time you boot up when the print daemon is started (/usr/lib/NextPrinter/npd in /etc/rc). Apart from not running the daemon at boot time (commenting it out and having to run it by hand later), you can add the following lines to /etc/rc.local: if [ -f /usr/etc/nppower ]; then sleep 3 /usr/etc/nppower off (echo 'powering off NeXTprinter') >/dev/console fi Once you queue a print job the printer daemon will automatically power up the NeXT printer for you. The printer daemon will not automatically power off the machine after a print job, you will need to turn off the printer by typing /usr/etc/nppower off. -- //|| // @ E-mail: wkwong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu // || // @ //==||/\\ @ "If you put your mind to it, you can accompish anything!" // || \\ @ "BUT MY NeXTMAIL IS NOT WORKING YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de Subject: Re: Turn off NeXTPrinter..... ( RichTextF. ) Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Message-ID: <CKInqF.2wC@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 22:56:38 GMT References: <2ifab1$dak@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen > Is there anybody put a cron job to turn off the NeXTprinter from time > to time? > Would you enlighten me how this can be done..... Yep - here is a little perl script which should be called by cron every 15 minutes - it automagically finds out which printer is to power off ( via netinfo ) --- so long - jolly ======================================================= Jolly alias Patrick Stein = jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de Tel: ++49 +89 -211 06 70 (priv) +89 -950 57 34 " He tells me the lusername. Some people NEVER learn.." - b.o.f.h. ======================================================= -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P(%P*/B!)<R!T:&5R M92!A;GEB;V1Y('!U="!A(&-R;VX@:F]B('1O('1U<FX@;V9F('1H92!.95A4 M<')I;G1E<B!F<F]M('1I;64@7`H^('1O('1I;64_7`H^(%=O=6QD('EO=2!E M;FQI9VAT96X@;64@:&]W('1H:7,@8V%N(&)E(&1O;F4N+BXN+EP*7`I997`@ M+2!H97)E(&ES(&$@;&ET=&QE('!E<FP@<V-R:7!T('=H:6-H('-H;W5L9"!B M92!C86QL960@8GD@8W)O;B!E=F5R>2!<"C$U(&UI;G5T97,@+2!I="!A=71O M;6%G:6-A;&QY(&9I;F1S(&]U="!W:&EC:"!P<FEN=&5R(&ES('1O('!O=V5R M(&]F9EP**"!V:6$@;F5T:6YF;R`I7`H*>WM<3D=$;V-U;65N=#(Y-B!N<'!O M=V5R"C$R,#(@32=95C`[3B-@/C<N1T,A4&`B(2Q*-RQ"4$@\+B<D(BTJ1RA` M4"%`4#@M1D,P8&`D8$$L/#@F0T5:)V!%(PI-62Q",2@F/SQ<)4)#04A0.2Q6 M(S1.(B9#44P\."PV259!)"9125Q>/S`H+")*(RXG,T%`62=`)D@^/"XF"DTS M,5I!(SY>0"HU+B8C/3)+-BLM2E<\2E4J7#0Q*#58,$4_+B)3.4Q1.#U"7"0I M+R93,$Q8(4U$2"8C)%<*34`Q5B,\72I</#DM8#%8*#@K0E@F2T%.1B-!5%0[ M7C-4,SLB5#HQ6#`J)"$H/S`N0EI)4%(H)UI@,BHE8`I-8#!$6CHI3U9")24C M03!4."Y34BY@(R4F4T5;-CH]1CQ&8"]"/"%+.CQ>,D1`-"Y'7$5464-41B,Z M+2\V"DT\*419+E-*7T`^3"9!.4Q404TN4#@R)T(^-S!6*"5*4$X]5SLA.$)7 M3DU7,%`P3B)#6$`T63]&8"@I+"8*34Q00E0[1%M43419)RY(0E8H8"@N*R)" M)R,D)%<\6S)6)E%40BDB/C4])C9`4&`M751/1V!6,5@J*2-@)@I-.$=@1$5< M8#PK5R$A44!)/%,K)"(B15$L3#0H*B<Z2C`X,%!/0"8A04$G-E@P-#@Y.4HA M8%!!441))B%!"DU"4E\F7B5$/BU$.E@W(4<M4#$D/CHF)V`P,58C5BLT0#%1 M14%$8"8B/5XB52TY6#PF*2M0,3='1TD[/3X*33Y2(EPE5#E<7%HU(3%15U8E M,4-!0#901%(H+C`T2B@E05@L,3!)06!@0RXR5#@L*"DJ(4A504%+0B<B/PI- M)CU?,4HD+BDH*$DH6$%01C9$0$<G-T=41"X^/U=3)%HJ*BA(3B,C0B)1.U8D M-B8D-4-+*DHH-$1,(D8^"DTP.%LR(BY$*S-),B$A,31`5"<C,3Y'(D1@,"@S M.3U2)3<Q*2E`8",E1&`Z13HH*"E6,"4Z.5<I74`M(3D*329#)T96)3@Y.2Q` M2%I),$DO(4)!0R)?.E`P*"D[.U51.S%-3T\G0DTF74Y93#PZ53DI*5%;,45) M1B1-(@I-/ULU/D99/#XY-5`[,4=535$D32(F7S,Z+E0Z7E582R%104M/5DY/ M3S8P(D=4)"TQ7%Q)*#A87BM=26!/"DTB0D94,"PJ7#H],4LH.RA25$PF(TE: M)E%(."@L*"]0*E!&/%X\(5`[.5!'*#XV)#XQ.3<Q,4D_6B0V,#`*32(F7C@X M.#HY/%Q;(5Q'0$]"52,F02DR(3`\.EPY.&`A4$!'6R8],S8F,F!<+ELM7SU; M0T%00$1`7B\A(@I-33)>+$P]/#PS*38A3%HY73XB-U96)C(W.S\[.3HJ/DU= M34E,35Y75E97(R<K/S\\/2T]35U=55A96E=7"DU71U-76S\_/T!@/$Y>+B(D M)59;6%@X0$=+3T-"0R,_3EXN+C`Q4EM962DQ-SM/1T5&)CY.7CXZ/#U>6UD* M35E:(B<K3TM(22D]3EY.1DA)6EM:6DI25UM/2TM,+#Q.7EY25%566UM;.T-' M2T]/3D\O/TY>7E]@(5)?7`HN7"PP-SM?4U%2(CY/7R\K+"%0-UH*8`I]"JQ] M7'!A<F1<='@Q,34R7'1X,C,P-%QT>#,T-39<='@T-C`X7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8Y M,3)<='@X,#8T7'1X.3(Q-EQT>#$P,S8X7'1X,3$U,C!<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN M;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,"!<"EP*+2TM7`I<"B`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@ M("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@('-O(&QO;F<@+2!J;VQL>5P*/3T]/3T] M/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] M/3T]/5P*2F]L;'D@86QI87,@4&%T<FEC:R!3=&5I;B`@/2`@:F]L;'E`8VES M+G5N:2UM=65N8VAE;BYD95P*5&5L.B`K*S0Y("LX.2`M,C$Q(#`V(#<P("`@ M("`@("`@("AP<FEV*2`K.#D@+3DU,"`U-R`S-%P*7`HB($AE('1E;&QS(&UE M('1H92!L=7-E<FYA;64N(%-O;64@<&5O<&QE($Y%5D52(&QE87)N+BXB7`H@ M("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`M M(&(N;RYF+F@N7`H]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] >/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]"0D)"0D)"GT* `
From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: xv3.0a on NeXT Date: 31 Jan 1994 16:53:41 GMT Organization: I speak for myself Distribution: world Message-ID: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Jan31165341@shrug.dur.ac.uk> For some reason the xv3.0a which I compiled many months ago has pretty much ceased being a useful product, I suspect it was my own lameness in compilation (took some tweaking to get right)...now I find that when I'm trying to get it to compile under 3.2 I fail miserably....has anyone bothered to get this to work correctly? thanks, scott -- EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "A wasted youth is better by far than a wise and productive old age" "In another novel, I *am* you"
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: setting up a swap disk Date: 31 Jan 1994 19:20:13 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2ijlle$316@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2i6qnh$8go@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <BYER.94Jan26162552@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> <2i98kg$btm@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <CKE9HF.JJy@news.cis.umn.edu> In article <CKE9HF.JJy@news.cis.umn.edu>, Peter Eisch <peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu> wrote: >If you have two separate devices both drives could be doing separate tasks >simultaneously. This is the 'enhanced speed' that you reference. In your >case, as it sounds like you'll have the swap on the same disk either way, >it's too much of a hassle to try and swap to a separate partition. Actually, I was thinking of only keeping a spare boot system on the 100M disk, so I wouldn't even need it mounted as part of the regularly running system. Then the drive would be only tasked with swapping, so I guess I should see the throughput bonus of separate drives. >On my hosts with swapdisks, the swapfile looks something like: >/private/swapdisk/vm/swapfile lowat=16777216,hiwat=94371840,compress >/private/vm/swapfile lowat=16777216 Wading thru rc (and rc.*) has a "sh /etc/rc.swap $1" line ahead of the call to mach_swapon. The rc.swap script indicates that this is intended for CD-ROM boots, but I should ignore that? Anyway, I think I see how it gets there now, and it looks like I can just set the hiwat limit to leave room for the stray boot system I would like. The only problem I can still see is that the disk will be mounted as a swapdisk automatically; if I were to change the SCSI IDs to make it the boot disk (to access the backup boot system), would it still successfully boot and swap onto that same disk? Thanks for the help! Timothy Cushing tec@alta.com
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rumors of Upgrading from 3.0 to 3.2 Date: 31 Jan 1994 19:34:36 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2ijmgc$3fg@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2ibiil$p6j@bilbo.suite.com> In article <2ibiil$p6j@bilbo.suite.com>, <Mark-Tarbell@suite.com> wrote: >1. I have heard that it is possible to upgrade directly to NS3.2 from >NS3.0 (without going through the NS3.1 upgrade step). True? Gee, good thing you didn't post this last week, since I just did upgrade from 3.0 to 3.2 directly, without a second thought (my first thought being 'why go through all the pain of upgrading to 3.1 when I can just wait for 3.2 to be out and 3.0 is fine in the mean time'). I did work fine, sort of, and I think the problems I've had are largely operator (me) error and bad planning (I'm simultaneously moving to a new HD and maintaining compatibility with a net of SPARC, PC and Mac machines). The only real (?) bug was that the new system failed to find the fonts in /LocalLibrary/Fonts and wouldn't even find /LocalApps for the longest time. It magically fixed itself over the weekend (I haven't asked around whether someone else here figured it out). tec@alta.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: WANTED: network sound playing info Message-ID: <1994Jan31.121608.1458@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <1994Jan27.233810.12210@Princeton.EDU> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 12:16:08 GMT Did you try enabling the Public Sound Server preference on the remote machine? Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting In article <1994Jan27.233810.12210@Princeton.EDU> mb@orchard.Princeton.EDU (Matthias Blumrich) writes: > Hi. If I'm logged onto a NeXT machine, is there a way to play a sound > remotely on a different NeXT machine? I tried logging in to the remote > machine, but sndplay wouldn't run. Please send responses to > mb@cs.princeton.edu. Thanks! > > - Matt -
From: ferng@Arizona.EDU(Jimmy M. Ferng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Install an internal hard disk on NeXTstation Date: 31 Jan 1994 19:43:52 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, CCIT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ijn1o$ils@auggie.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> I have a NeXTstation running NeXT System version 3.0. I'm trying to replace the small internal hard disk with a bigger one as a boot disk with some problems. The IBM OEM 0662S12 1 gigabyte drive is recognized as such by the system program "disk" and "disk" will format it and say that it is properly formatted. But it does not seem to be able to initialize and the system software does not seem able to install itself on the drive or initialize it - when installing from a cd rom. When it tries to initialize it the programs get write errors "Incomplete disk transfer etc". Also the system will not boot from the cd unless I give the cd a lower target number than the new internal and uninitialized hard drive. I'll appreciate very much any help. --- Jimmy M. Ferng | University of Arizona Internet: ferng@arizona.edu | Computer Center
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.system From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: More Mac printer questions Message-ID: <1994Jan31.174535.9025@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <2idptr$t8p@access1.digex.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 17:45:35 GMT try using the 8.x drivers, that may (or may not) help. Good luck! -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: martin@trefoil.demon.co.uk (Martin Higham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MallocDebug Date: 27 Jan 1994 22:48:54 -0000 Organization: any offers? Distribution: world Message-ID: <2i9gcm$16s@trefoil.demon.co.uk> As a NeXT user/programmer I like having the Malloc Debug facility. Unfortunately I haven't convinced my workplace to use NEXTSTEP and am having to do some work on a boring non-GUI UNIX box. Can anybody point me to a utility like MD for vanilla UNIX. Thanks Martin
From: mallen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Allen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to combine chunks? Date: 31 Jan 1994 20:08:03 GMT Organization: This Space for Rent. Message-ID: <2ijof3$4e8@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <CKEDF8.290@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> Keywords: mousex In article <CKEDF8.290@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com>, Thomas Hintz <dhinz@dread> wrote: >from cs.orst.edu but now need to now if I need to do something >special to combine these files into one large file before decompressing >and untarring. Or do I just decompress/untar each of the chunks? I think someone mentioned this already, but you need to make sure you have a qualified address in your From line or a Reply-To: field. The best way to do this is to use the command "cat" from the terminal. What I did was type "cat /OpticalDisk/X/work/* /OpticalDisk/X/Xbin.tar.Z" You must cat the files before you unpack and untar them. Of course, this will take a little time (esp. if you do it on an Optical Disk). -- mallen@nwu.edu Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
From: tll@cco.caltech.edu (Tal Lewis Lancaster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GatorFTP NSI fixed? Date: 31 Jan 1994 23:52:02 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2ik5j3$clj@gap.cco.caltech.edu> The version of GatorFTP for NSI crashes during gets. Is there a newer version available? I got my current version off of cs.orst a couple of weeks ago and haven't seen anything more recent. Tal --
The Principal from "Buffy, The Vampire Slayer", "I think the students learned an important lesson on safety." ########################################################################### #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cmart@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (Chris Martin) Subject: --Need some video card suggestions.... Message-ID: <cmart-310194104710@cisco-slip43.acc.virginia.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: USA Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 15:47:10 GMT I need some suggestions for a video card for NEXTSTEP for Intel. 640x480x2 is a little useless. What is the fastest I can get? Is there a problem with the ATI GUP? What about the #9GXE level 11 or 12? Are there any other cheaper cards out there? Thanks in advance. -- Chris Martin -- All Opinions expressed are mine cmart@uva386.schools.virginia.edu "Never Hesitate to Obfuscate"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: Next-Attachment: NeXT Mail header field? Message-ID: <1994Jan31.223709.617@planon.qc.ca> Sender: yanik@planon.qc.ca References: <1994Jan28.203147.24326@serval.net.wsu.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 22:37:09 GMT In article <1994Jan28.203147.24326@serval.net.wsu.edu> jblatt@aixesa.csc.wsu.edu (Jeffrey W. Blatt) writes: > In all NeXT Mail messages there is the header field > called Next-Attachment: I have included an example below, > > Next-Attachment: .tar.329.No_subject.attach, 549, 1/1, 792, 0 The uuencode file is 549 bytes long, (that is verified) This is the first uuencoded file from a total of one (purely speculative) The diskspace needed to extract the file is 792 (partly speculative) The last digit (0)... I have no idea. > > Can anyone tell me what the last four numbers mean. > I would like to reconstruct this header line in some messages that have lost > their's. > -- > jeffski - > jblatt@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu -- Yanik Crepeau The power of OOP used to stop when Programmer the programmer typed "make". With Planon Telexpertise NEXTSTEP and PDO, that is not true E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT) anymore!
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: iostat vs. swapdisk Date: 1 Feb 1994 02:34:28 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2ikf3k$hkk@gap.cco.caltech.edu> On the advice of a fellow user, I ran an iostat on my system before setting up a swapdisk using the 100M stock internal disk. Here's what I got: tty fd0 sd0 sd1 sd2 cpu tin tout bps tps msps bps tps msps bps tps msps bps tps msps us ni sy id 00 4 0 0 0.0 16 2 14.5 00 00 4.0 00 00 25.1 8 00 4 89 The sd0 boot device is my new 1G drive that has everything on it. The sd1 device is the stock 100M drive that came with the 25MHz color NeXTstation. It would seem that my system would be somewhat slower in seeking, but I would not expect to see substantial performance loss since unix keeps the fragmentation low, right? How much difference does average seek time make to the boot disk vs. a swap disk? Would I be visibly better if I left the boot system on the small but fast disk -- or worse? Thanks-tec
From: dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu (Dion Dock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to combine chunks? Keywords: mousex Message-ID: <2ikar7INNbbs@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 1 Feb 94 01:21:43 GMT References: <CKEDF8.290@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> <jeffo.759908753@uiuc.edu> Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University > >>I down loaded the X11R5-basics.tar.Z.chunk.* files >>from cs.orst.edu but now need to now if I need to do something >>special to combine these files into one large file before decompressing >>and untarring. Or do I just decompress/untar each of the chunks? > You must combine them into one large file. You could always use pipes if you are short of disk space. I can't remember if the Workspace is capable of doing this automatically. -dion -- Dion Dock __ __ dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu / ) / ) / (now dion@pi.com) / / o ______ / / _____. /_ next-ftp@cs.orst.edu (no NeXTmail) /__/_<_(_) / <_ /__/_(_) (__/ <_
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Where is ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de Message-ID: <1994Jan31.194950.2435@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <Jan.25.11.18.30.1994.27882@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 19:49:50 GMT In article <Jan.25.11.18.30.1994.27882@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > My school cannot find this ftp site. Could some one post the numerical > address? It seems to be a nice NeXT archive site. > If it's ftp.zrz.tu-berlin.de what you're searchin' for, the inernet number is 130.149.4.50! -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Re: NeXT Message-ID: <CKJ2Aq.Bqn@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <2ih8cl$o1d@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 04:07:21 GMT In article <2ih8cl$o1d@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Blake Patterson writes > > I was wondering...is the NeXT Step OS-baesd machine [...] > > I suppose that depends on what you do, but I'd say in general the > answer is YES. I've been using my NeXT in essentially that way for 3 [...] > avoid working :-) > > Of course, you'll need a bigger HD, since you have to keep all your > apps on your disk instead of having them on a server. My experience has been that w/o InterNet access, my machine just sits there. With Internet access, I cant get away from the thing Take it for what its worth. --- -------------------------------------------------------------------- James P. Klett klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu jimbo@oingo.umn.edu (SLIP) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Slip Slipping' away... NeXT Mail Preferred --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What do I dwrite to change the time to dim when logged in? Date: 1 Feb 1994 07:53:52 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD/User Services Message-ID: <2il1qg$o9g@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Subject says it all. I want my screen to dim when my session has been idle for, say, 2 minutes (actually I want BackSpace to kick in and do its screensaver thing, but it says it uses the same counter). i'm sure this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find a faq on RTFM for any of the comp.sys.next groups except "programmer". thanks, danno -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/us unix support group
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How to combine chunks? Date: 1 Feb 94 08:54:17 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <jeffo.760092857@owens.slip.uiuc.edu> References: <CKEDF8.290@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> <2ijof3$4e8@news.acns.nwu.edu> Keywords: mousex Mark Allen writes: >The best way to do this is to use the command "cat" from the terminal. >What I did was type "cat /OpticalDisk/X/work/* /OpticalDisk/X/Xbin.tar.Z" Actually, typing that should result in an error if the last file doesn't exist, or spew a bunch of garbage to the window or screen. Perhaps what you meant was: cat /OpticalDisk/X/work/* >/OpticalDisk/X/Xbin.tar.Z (note the ">" character for output redirection) Alternatively, you could pipe this straight to zcat and tar to save some diskspace: zcat /OpticalDisk/X/work/* | tar xvf - (check the manpages if you want different options) But I thought you could just drag the first chunk to the destination and the File Viewer would prompt you for the remaining chunks (if they can't be found). Or does this only work this way from floppies (it shouldn't matter if it's coming from floppies or a hard disk, but...)? -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (*NO* NeXTmail please)
From: dekorte@ibm8.scri.fsu.edu (Stephen L. DeKorte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Fonts From Trilithon Software [Was Re; What font packages are available?] Date: 31 Jan 1994 23:39:28 GMT Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute Message-ID: <2ik4rg$oal@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <2i9vvn$tl@usenet.rpi.edu> <1994Jan30.195053.2045@trilithon.com> >Avant Garde Book Avant Garde Book Oblique >Avant Garde Demi Avant Garde Demi Oblique Anyone know where I can find this font for free? If not what's the least I need to spend to get it and from where? I'm only interested in this font. Thanks for any help, Steve PS please respond by email.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cichon@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Gordon Cichon) Subject: X11 on Next ? (Was: Mosaic on NeXTs) References: <2hh7t0$t38@enst.enst.fr> Originator: cichon@hphalle9.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Sender: news@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (USENET Newssystem) Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 10:10:44 GMT Message-ID: <1994Feb1.101044.19775@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> How can I start a remote X program on a NeXT ? I have a login on a networked NeXT and a have access to other computers via rlogin on which some X applications run I have to work with. Is it possible to do this from the NeXT ?
From: shawk@panix.com (Sandy Hawkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DSP RAM Date: 1 Feb 1994 06:06:25 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2ild3h$m0d@panix2.panix.com> I'm looking for expansion memory for the black hardware's DSP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Subject: Re: What do I dwrite to change the time to dim when logged in? Message-ID: <CKJrrD.n2y@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <2il1qg$o9g@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 13:21:12 GMT In article <2il1qg$o9g@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) writes: >Subject says it all. I want my screen to dim when my session has been idle >for, say, 2 minutes (actually I want BackSpace to kick in and do its >screensaver thing, but it says it uses the same counter). > >i'm sure this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find a faq on RTFM for any of the >comp.sys.next groups except "programmer". NEXT1 AutoDimTime seconds*68 You can also set this from the Preferences panel with the Automatic Dimming slider.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tstuve@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Thilo Stuve) Subject: Modem for NeXT Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <CKJxnw.AE6@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 15:28:43 GMT Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet. Does a Faxmodem for NeXT (BH) exist witch can receive and store incoming faxes when the computer is turned of? Thilo Email:tstuve@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
From: jml15@po.CWRU.Edu (Jason M. Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Loading Fonts onto a NextLaser Printer Date: 1 Feb 1994 15:50:38 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <2iltoe$j81@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Hi, I was wondering if someone could tell me how to add fonts to a NextStep Version 3.0 system with a with a NeXT Laser Printer. Is there any fonts on the distribution that don't get loaded? Please respond vie e-mail to jml15@po.cwru.edu. Thanks for any help. Jason Lee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: 9035656@ul.ie ( Paul Carrig ) Subject: Nextstep for Intel and Gateway2000-66P Message-ID: <CKK2JJ.52q@ul.ie> Sender: usenet@ul.ie Organization: CSIS Dept, Uni. of Limerick Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 17:14:06 GMT We have a number of Gateway200-66P machines in our department and would like to install nextstep 3.1 on them. So far we have tried on one and are experiencing some difficulties in configuring the machine after installation. At present we are only able to use the default VGA display mode. None of the other resolutions/modes work when a driver is selected. There is an ATI MACH32 PCI video card in the machine. Selecting the ATI Ultra driver does not work, even though it is the only driver which supports the ATI chips on the video card. I have even tried installing the ATIdriver update, but to no avail. All documentation/literature refers only to the Gateway2000-66V machines. I suspect that the 66P's are not fully supported. There also appears to be some problems with the network card but I have not checked that out fully yet. If it is the case that the PCI versions of the Gateway machines are currently not fully supported, does anyone know if NeXT are planning to ship PCI versions of their device drivers in the near future? If anyone else has experienced problems of a similar nature could they please email me directly. I'll summarise anything worthwhile that I come across. Thanks, Paul Carrig email 9035656@ul.ie Department of Computer Science and Information Systems, University of Limerick, Ireland.
From: philipp@res.enst.fr (Philippe-Andre Prindeville) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Serial driver and high baudrates Date: 1 Feb 1994 18:50:12 GMT Organization: Ecole Nationale Superieure des Telecommunications, Paris FRANCE Distribution: world Message-ID: <2im894$rgm@enst.enst.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is kind of detailed, but I was wondering if someone at NeXT could answer. It concerns the serial driver on NSFIP. I have a serial card with (what I think is) a plain vanilla 8530 that I am using for COM2, which is connected to my serial mouse. No problems there. But COM1 is a USR Sportster 14,400 modem that does compression, and data rates (uncompressed) can approach 38,400 baud. The modem uses a National Semiconductor NS16550AN according to USR's tech support. This includes a 16octet FIFO in each direction. This should cut down the interrupts (at 38400 baud) to 38400 / (8 * 16) or 300 interrupts per second. This should not kill a 66Mhz 486DX-2. But I'm seeing some characters being lost. Admittedly, this could be at the other end, I don't know what sort of flow control they use... Locally, I'm using /dev/cufa at 38400 baud, though the notions of flow-control and baud-rate on an internal modem seem a bit strange (since it is plugged into the ISA bus)... Anyway, does the serial driver recognize that it is talking to a 16550 and not an 8530? Does it manage the FIFO correctly? Ie. does it read one character per interrupt or does it read all the contents of the FIFO until the FIFO empties? Also, is it safe to have an 8530 on COM2 and a 16550AN on COM1? Should I disable compression on the modem? I'm trying to find where these lost characters are going... Thanks for any answers. -Philip
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: iostat vs. swapdisk Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 15:09:32 -0500 Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <QhHfPwu00WBNM8TEVm@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2ikf3k$hkk@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 1-Feb-94 iostat vs. swapdisk by Timothy E. Cushing@cco.c > How much difference does average seek time make to the boot disk vs. a > swap disk? Would I be visibly better if I left the boot system on the > small but fast disk -- or worse? You would be much better off using the smaller and faster drive as your swap device and having your larger drive as your boot disk. Remember that you page and swap *much* more often then you reboot your machine. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: Joe_Keenan@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Date: 1 Feb 1994 21:39:51 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2imi77$7ai@rosie.next.com> References: <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> In article <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: > In article <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU wrote: > > > > I'm curious what you have to do to get rid of NEXTSTEP boot manager > > on NS/Intel. I changed my active partion to another partition..but > > I still get the NS boot manager. > > I encountered the exact same problem. When I called NeXT tech support > to inquire about removing it, they informed me that they didn't know > offhand, but could find out for me for "about $250." Thus, I'd be curious > to find out the easiest method of doing this. Excuse me? Pay-per-call starts at $30, and that's all it would take for this one, if we bothered to charge at all. I've personally answered this one on the net at least twice, and others have posted answers as well. Boot DOS, and enter 'fdisk /mbr'. That's all it takes - that replaces our boot block with the DOS one. Joe Keenan NeXT Technical Support #import <std.disclaimer>
From: Joe_Keenan@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Date: 1 Feb 1994 21:40:08 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2imi7o$7aj@rosie.next.com> References: <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> In article <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: > In article <132783@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU wrote: > > > > I'm curious what you have to do to get rid of NEXTSTEP boot manager > > on NS/Intel. I changed my active partion to another partition..but > > I still get the NS boot manager. > > I encountered the exact same problem. When I called NeXT tech support > to inquire about removing it, they informed me that they didn't know > offhand, but could find out for me for "about $250." Thus, I'd be curious > to find out the easiest method of doing this. Excuse me? Pay-per-call starts at $30, and that's all it would take for this one, if we bothered to charge at all. I've personally answered this one on the net at least twice, and others have posted answers as well. Boot DOS, and enter 'fdisk /mbr'. That's all it takes - that replaces our boot block with the DOS one. Joe Keenan NeXT Technical Support #import <std.disclaimer>
From: patersk@gb.swissbank.com (Kevin Paterson ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What do I dwrite to change the time to dim when logged in? Date: 1 Feb 1994 13:03:51 GMT Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation, High Timber St, London, UK Message-ID: <2iljvn$hao@gpo.gb.swissbank.com> References: <2il1qg$o9g@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> In article <2il1qg$o9g@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) writes: > Subject says it all. I want my screen to dim when my session has been idle > for, say, 2 minutes (actually I want BackSpace to kick in and do its > screensaver thing, but it says it uses the same counter). > 2 ways 1)Preferences.app => Click on the Display Preferences button (the terminal icon button on the Preferences window). Set the Automatic Dimming slider. 2)dwrite NeXT1 AutoDimTime 20400 20400 = 5*60*60 = 5 minutes Kevin Swiss Bank Corp London
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered From: trout@netcom.com (P. Kim) Subject: Wanted: Nextstep programmer (Bay Area) Message-ID: <troutCKKFAu.1JC@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 21:49:40 GMT Do not reply to this account. I am posting this for a client. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Marine Terminals Corporation - Career Opportunity ------------------------------------------------- Marine Terminals is a San Francisco based transportation company interested in increasing their competitive advantage through the use of Object-Oriented Technology. We currently have a NeXTSTEP vessel planning system installed at 3 sites along the west coast, and are interested in developing several major new applications. We are looking for an individual with significant NeXTSTEP & UNIX development experience for a fulltime position to lead our application development. We desire someone who is capable of innovative user interface design, and is familiar with object-oriented design principles. Database and networking experience may be useful, but are not required. Replies addressed to: Steve Longbotham (415) 267-1138 Marine Terminals Corporation mtcoak!steve@netcom.com (NeXTmail accepted) 600 Harrison Street, Suite 200 San Francisco, CA 94107
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: The Gecko is SWEET! Message-ID: <CKK9Bt.DE7@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: news@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 19:40:34 GMT Well, I just got to play with one of the slower (60mhz) HP712's for awhile. Folks, as far as I'm concerned, it's SWEET! I ran XV under Co-Xist and displayed them on my turbo color station. I also ran XV sending the display to the 712, viewing the same images. There was simply no comparison, the 712's looked much nicer both in terms of resolution (only slightly higher) and in terms of the way the colors were handled. I can't supply any scientific data or evidence to support my claim - I can only tell you what think. The 712 is gonnna become *THE* machine to run NEXTSTEP for the near future. Zoowwwwwwwie! -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: fan@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Paul Fan) Subject: Dead Printer Message-ID: <1994Feb1.235007.17328@math.ucla.edu> Sender: news@math.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 23:50:07 GMT Greetings, I have a friend who killed his NeXT b/w printer by running it from an European outlet (220v) without first flipping the inside switch. Does anyone know whether there is likely to be an easy fix to this problem? He is in Europe and he would like to know whether he should just junk the printer or bring it back to be fixed. Thanks in advance, Paul fan@math.ucla.edu
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How does the Gecko 8-bit framebuffer work? Date: 1 Feb 1994 17:37:35 -0800 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> References: <CKK9Bt.DE7@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes: >Well, I just got to play with one of the slower (60mhz) HP712's for awhile. >Folks, as far as I'm concerned, it's SWEET! I ran XV under Co-Xist and >displayed them on my turbo color station. I also ran XV sending the display to >the 712, viewing the same images. There was simply no comparison, the 712's >looked much nicer both in terms of resolution (only slightly higher) and in >terms of the way the colors were handled. I am curious about how this 8-bit framebuffer works. Can someone describe the technical details? So far I imagine the following system: the window server reads and writes 24-bit values per pixel to the frame buffer. On write, the hardware takes a 24-bit value and converts it into an 8-bit value using some mapping function and stores it into the VRAM. On read, the hardware converts the VRAM 8-bit value into 24-bits using the reverse mapping function and gives that to the CPU. The mapping function uses a dynamic CLUT that always makes sure you have the maximum number of unique colours available. Of course, this has the interesting feature that the value you write to the framebuffer is not always the value that is returned on read. Since everything is pretty much buffered off the framebuffer anyway, I don't think this will affect NS much. ie, I don't think any apps read pixels from the framebuffer and compare them. Stuart
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How does the Gecko 8-bit framebuffer work? Date: 1 Feb 1994 19:11:36 -0800 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2in5l8INNlt6@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> References: <CKK9Bt.DE7@dvorak.amd.com> <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) writes: >So far I imagine the >following system: the window server reads and writes 24-bit values >per pixel to the frame buffer. Sorry, I really meant 32-bit values. Hopefully you get what I mean.
From: jeddak@echonyc.com (Jonathan Donald) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to Convert X Fonts to NeXT/PS? Date: 2 Feb 1994 03:38:43 GMT Organization: ECHO BBS & Public Access Internet Site, NYC Message-ID: <2in783$1ob@subway.echonyc.com> I've got some nifty MONOSPACED fonts that I want to use on my NeXTstation (don't ask). Is there an easy way to convert them (at least the bitmap portion) to the Adobe format used under NeXTStep? Barring that, does anyone know of any Type 1 single-pitched fonts (besides Ohlfs and Courier) and where they might be obtained? Thanks for any help, tidbits, or dark hints flung this way... jd -- *************************************************************************** * Entropy is all * ***************************************************************************
From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT users in Moscow Date: 02 Feb 1994 05:40:42 GMT Organization: Department of Biological Sciences, Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <MAGNUS.94Feb1214042@fisher.Stanford.EDU> I am trying to help a colleague who wants to know if there are any NeXT users in Moscow (or if he would be the only one). Please let me know if you read this, and I will forward your mail. Thanks, -- Magnus Nordborg magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail welcome) Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-5020 +1 (415) 723-4952 (office)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bpatters@nyx.cs.du.edu (Blake Patterson) Subject: Help Message-ID: <1994Feb2.055403.14351@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 05:54:03 GMT Can someone tell me what "apps" come w/ NS 3.2?? That is -- if 3.2 is th the latest Intel release (is it)?? bp
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rumors of Upgrading from 3.0 to 3.2 Date: 2 Feb 1994 07:17:06 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2ink1i$3hd@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2ibiil$p6j@bilbo.suite.com> <2ijmgc$3fg@gap.cco.caltech.edu> tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) writes: >In article <2ibiil$p6j@bilbo.suite.com>, <Mark-Tarbell@suite.com> wrote: >>1. I have heard that it is possible to upgrade directly to NS3.2 from >>NS3.0 (without going through the NS3.1 upgrade step). True? >Gee, good thing you didn't post this last week, since I just did upgrade from >3.0 to 3.2 directly, without a second thought (my first thought being 'why I recently did a 2.1->3.2 without any trouble. (Well, it did delete WriteNow, but I just snagged that from another machine where I had saved it from the olden days) It was over a network ("A network upgrade server") so I didn't need to fiddle with a boot disk or anything. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: traupman-jonathan@cs.yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two quick questions Date: 30 Jan 1994 20:01:40 -0500 Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2ihl9kINN1vq@DOLPHIN.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> Hello! I have two quick questions about NS: 1. Does anyone know where I can find a program (preferably PD or shareware) that will convert macintosh .snd and windows .wav files to NeXT .snd files? 2. Is there any way of switching from Click to Focus to Point to Focus (ala X-Windows)? I know how to make terminal do point to focus (the steal keys option) but I don't know how (or even if) I can do this with other apps. Thanks, Jon ´
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Rumors of Upgrading from 3.0 to 3.2 Message-ID: <CKI3qq.EJ3@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: news@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <2ibiil$p6j@bilbo.suite.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 15:44:49 GMT In article <2ibiil$p6j@bilbo.suite.com> Mark-Tarbell@suite.com writes: >>Could someone please comment on whether the following rumors are true? >>The following pertain to black hardware. >> >>1. I have heard that it is possible to upgrade directly to NS3.2 from >>NS3.0 (without going through the NS3.1 upgrade step). True? >> True, Did it last week. >>2. I have also heard that it is NOT possible to upgrade NS3.0J at all! >>NS3.0J is the Japanese-environment version of NEXTSTEP. This would >>mean I would have to reinstall NS3.0 from scratch, and then proceed, >>or wait until NS3.2J comes out. True? Can't help on this one. >>Thanks for your input. >>Mark-Tarbell@suite.com >>ep). True? -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: Install an internal hard disk on NeXTstation Message-ID: <3CMLBF9P@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <2ijn1o$ils@auggie.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:37:24 GMT Jimmy M. Ferng (ferng@Arizona.EDU) wrote: > The IBM OEM 0662S12 1 gigabyte drive is recognized as such by the system > program "disk" and "disk" will format it and say that it is properly > formatted. But it does not seem to be able to initialize and the system > software does not seem able to install itself on the drive or initialize > it - when installing from a cd rom. When it tries to initialize it the > programs get write errors "Incomplete disk transfer etc". Also the system > will not boot from the cd unless I give the cd a lower target number than > the new internal and uninitialized hard drive. This is correct. You have to set the innermost smd jumper on the bottom of the disk (synchrounous mode disable). Second you have to toggle the ASDPE bit in mode select page 0. It's bit 7 in byte 3. Send me an email, if you need details. Afterwards it runs just fine (I use it at the moment :-) byte factory settings correct settings 03 31 0011 0001 b1 1011 0001 ----------------^-----------------------^------- factory: ASDPE=0, CMDAC=1, RPFAE=1, CPE=1 correct: ASDPE=1, CMDAC=1, RPFAE=1, CPE=1 Ciao, Stephan p.s. ASDPE means "Additional Save Data-Pointer Enabled" p.p.s. you will see in byte 5 whether you correctly set the asynchrounous mode jumper. Bit 5 must be 1. Note, that you can set this bit, but it's ignored, you really have to set the jumper! byte factory settings correct settings 05 00 0000 0000 20 0010 0000 ------------------^-----------------------^------ factory: TCHD=0, TCC=0, DSN=0, FRDD=0, DPSDP=0, WPEN=0 CAEN=0, LITF=0 correct: TCHD=0, TCC=0, DSN=1, FRDD=0, DPSDP=0, WPEN=0 CAEN=0, LITF=0 DSN means "Disable Synchronous Mode negiotiation" -- trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next From: trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: Librarian problems Message-ID: <BDMLB3HQ@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1994Jan27.140353.592@dbulm1.uucp> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:46:36 GMT Jochen Gloger (gloger@dbulm1.uucp) wrote: > Hi, > we are having some problems when using WriteNow files with Librarian. > Since NeXTSTEP 3.0 (we are currently running 3.1) Digital Librarian does no > longer work with WriteNow files. It simply does not find any entry! Does > anybody know a solution to this problem? > Thanks in advance > Kind regards > Jochen Gloger The following entry is in /NextLibrary/Services/Indexing.service/services.local Filter: Port: NXUNIXSTDIO Send Type: NXTypedFilenamePboardType:wn Return Type: NXRTFPboardType Executable: /LocalApps/WriteNow.app/wn-rtf perhaps WriteNow is not, where it's expected to be? e.g. Frame expects it to be in /NextApps but other Apps expect to find it in /LocalApps. Just try a bit... Ciao, Stephan -- trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bbum@friday.com Subject: Black White and ???? Message-ID: <CKLF71.s1@friday.com> Sender: bbum@friday.com (Bill Bumgarner) Organization: Friday Software & Consulting; a virtual company Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 10:45:00 GMT So, NeXT '040 hardware is "Black" Intel hardware is "White" What is the gecko? "Real?" "Fast?" "Real Fast?" watchin' them packages build away.... -- b.bum <bbum@friday.com> | "blah blah blah" WhiteLight Systems, INC. | - someone somewhere
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@lanl.gov (David R Wolf) Subject: TeX Message-ID: <1994Feb1.202800.3661@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 20:28:00 GMT Is it possible to load a later version of NextTex onto a system running an earlier version of the NeXT OS? (Say the TeX from 3.2 onto NeXT 2.1?) -- ======================================================================= David R. Wolf wolf@lanl.gov LANL, MS P940, 87545 (505) 667-3813 =======================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: reinhard@avalon.unizh.ch (Peter Reinhardt) Subject: Bad Entry in .NeXT/defaults3_1.wmd Message-ID: <1994Feb2.134815.20193@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:48:15 GMT I have a NextStation with NextStep 3.2 on it. I have now this rather strange problem: In the file /me/.NeXT/defaults3_1.wmd there is a bad entry for the application Mathematica: DefaultApp.ma=/LocalApps/Mathematica21.app/Mathematica21; The mistake is, that I have used Mathematica 2.1 but I have now upgraded to Mathematica 2.2 and the 2.1 Application doesnt exist any more on my Harddisk. I deleted the defaults-file, but after a reboot the same file with the same bad entry was created. Im wondering, from where the Workspace Manager (I think it is him) has the bad reference of the 2.1 application? The entry in this file is important for me, because Engage Desktop (2.0 v.61) uses this entry to startup Mathematica-files which I have placed on the engage dock. When I try to start a Mathematica file the message "Bad Application Mathematica21.app" appears. Has someone an explanation for this ? Peter.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: NeXT Message-ID: <CKH8rH.9yn@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1994Jan30.200340.13427@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 04:35:40 GMT In article <1994Jan30.200340.13427@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bpatters@nyx.cs.du.edu (Blake Patterson) writes: > I was wondering...is the NeXT Step OS-baesd machine functional as a >lone machine?? That is, is one going to REALLY feel pain because he is not >tied into a network of Unix machines? I am considering purchasing a NeXT >Step 486/DX-2 66 machine, and am wondering about iis functionality in my >home. Of course, I do have a high-speed modem, and Internet access, but >this would be used IN MY HOME. That's exactly what I have. It's great. No pain, only gain in the longer term. NS is a joy to use. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@netcom.com (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Printing Pantone color on PS level-1 Printers Message-ID: <garycCKLwpq.Mww@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:03:26 GMT Hi, I have quite a few NeXTStep Icons which I copied into a Diagram!2.app file. The diagram file is saved as an EPS file and to be included in a LaTeX file on other machine w/o only PS level-1 printer connected to it. I have two problems to solve: 1) the LaTeX doc including the color icons look perfect on my NeXT, but the icons disappear on a Sun Sparc running xdvi for preview. 2) The PS-Level-1 printer is not able to print those icons either... Is there any way to get around with this? Could the color Icon be saved w/o Pantone color(which is new since Level II)?? Thanks in advance, Best, Gary
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black White and ???? Date: 2 Feb 1994 18:11:40 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2ioqcs$hd7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <CKLF71.s1@friday.com> >> So, NeXT '040 hardware is "Black" >> Intel hardware is "White" >> What is the gecko? The suggestion has been made that Gecko's be green and Sun's yellow. Of course, if NeXTstep *really* takes off, we'll run out of colors eventually. (Well, I suppose we could start using the Pantone flip cards ...) By the way, NeXT '030's are black too. mark
From: jmazo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New system buying: need advice Date: 2 Feb 1994 18:24:02 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> I am looking for a computer system that would fit the following specifications for the least amount of money, and would like the collective wisdom of the net on the subject of acquiring (pointers to sellers would be appreciated as well) a computer with the following attributes: 1). Pentium (with cache expandable or shipped at 256 K) 2). PCI bus (version 2.0) 3). 12 M RAM 4). Local Bus Video (with video card to support at least 1280 x 1024 x 8-bit grayscale x 70 HZ refresh) 5). 17 (or 19) inch grayscale monitor to mate with above 6). 450 M hard drive (not necessarily very fast one), IDE or SCSI 7). SCSI CD-ROM drive (w/SCSI controller) 8). 4 removable-media bays (I guess this means it is probably a tower or mini-tower) 9). A reasonable fax-modem (fast, but not the "latest and greatest") 10). An ink jet printer (HP-style) 11). MOST IMPORTANTLY, I have to be able to run NeXTSTEP (however it is spelled these days) on it. 12). The purchase will have to be made so that the system would arrive at about March 10th so I have time to install NeXTSTEP before my finals. I have looked into the possibilities on a few systems and components, notably from DELL, Digital (XL series), Gateway 2000 (P5 series), various IBM incarnations, and several different video cards (#9GXE, ATI GUP, Miro, S3 based, Diamond Viper), but no decision resulted. I am ready to buy things from several sources, and DELL has a student discount at my university (if that is any help). DEC people say there is a 5% edu. discount. Basically, I am looking for a fairly powerful system, without color (but possibility of adding it much later), and ability to expand later with things like audio cards, tape drive, and joystick for my little brother to play his games. Buying a few components separately and integrating them is not a problem. You are welcome to mail me or to post; if there is interest I will mail or post a summary of results. Thanks in advance, Jacob.
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black White and ???? [summary] Date: 2 Feb 1994 19:10:25 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <2iotr2$j7c@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2ioqcs$hd7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Mark Adler writes > The suggestion has been made that Gecko's be green and Sun's yellow. > Of course, if NeXTstep *really* takes off, we'll run out of colors > eventually. The _Official_ NeXTSTEP hardware Color Wheel :-) NeXT ('030, '040): Black Apple ('030, '040): Grey Intel ('486, Pentium): White non-Intel '486: Off-white Cyrix: Ivory AMD: Beige Apple (PowerPC): Red <open> Orange* Sun (SPARC): Yellow IBM & clones (PowerPC): Blue HP/Gecko (PA-RISC): Green SGI (MIPS): Indigo DEC (Alpha): Violet *Orange is provided as an expansion color, for (say) Intel's non-x86 compatible followons (Septium?). I think that's everyone. Any other '486 makers? SPARC clones would also be Yellow, or perhaps Gold. I divided Apple and IBM PowerPC machines up because I expect them to follow the Mac and PC markets, and thus involve different porting procedures (politically, if not technically). Canon's NRW/PowerPC would probably end up a standard IBM-style clone (Black & Blue?). DECstations using MIPS chips would still be Indigo. For the record, I think the next OpenStep/NeXTSTEP port will be to the Alphas. The Apple & IBM crowd will probably shun PDOs per se, but claim interoperability via Taligent and CORBA. But maybe Motorola will kick in for doing (finishing?) the PowerPC port. But enough off-color stories... - Ernie P. -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus' sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black White and ???? [summary] Date: 2 Feb 1994 19:27:37 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2iour9$jnt@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2ioqcs$hd7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <2iotr2$j7c@gap.cco.caltech.edu> >> The _Official_ NeXTSTEP hardware Color Wheel :-) ... So will we get a decoder ring with NeXTstep 3.3? mark
From: Sean.Hill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean L. Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black White and ???? Date: 2 Feb 1994 21:43:58 GMT Organization: Institut de Physiologie, Universite de Lausanne Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[9145] Message-ID: <2ip6qu$as6@cisun2000.unil.ch> References: <CKLF71.s1@friday.com> <2ioqcs$hd7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. So it goes... NeXT is black Intel is white Gecko/HP is green Sun is yellow IBM is blue Apple is red DEC is that new maroon SGI is indigo.... and crimson and ... We'll have the full spectrum before long. -Sean
From: dhsmith@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT users in Moscow Date: 2 Feb 1994 18:16:52 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ioqml$8jc@rosie.next.com> References: <MAGNUS.94Feb1214042@fisher.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: moscow, users, user groups In article <MAGNUS.94Feb1214042@fisher.Stanford.EDU> magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: #I am trying to help a colleague who wants to know if there are any #NeXT users in Moscow (or if he would be the only one). Please let me #know if you read this, and I will forward your mail. # #Thanks, #-- # #Magnus Nordborg #magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail welcome) #Department of Biological Sciences #Stanford University #Stanford, CA 94305-5020 #+1 (415) 723-4952 (office) Yes indeed there are! These are the three NeXT User Groups in Moscow. The information I have is a little out of date, but I am working on updating for 1994 this week. Please let your colleague know that I will have a new listing within a week or two (depending on how many I have to update by phone or snail mail!) Here you go: Moscow NeXT User Group Sevrioukov Vladimir Anatoljevich and Sergei E. Morozov Science & Research Enterprise NAUKA-SERVICE" 11,1-y Volkonsiy per., Moscow, Russia,103473 Phone: (095) 200-25-68, 299-96-35 Fax: (095) 299-68-10 Telex: 412175 NAUKA SU Email: moroz@pandora.sf.ca.us or moroz@sovusa.com The 2nd Moscow NeXT User Group Oleg S. Batsukov ECSC of MIPT, 9, Institutsky per., Dolgoprudny, Moscow region, 141700, Russia. Phone: (007 095) 576 4481 Phone/fax: (007 095) 408 7154 E-mail: info@ecsc.mipt.su or bas@ecsc.mipt.su GlasNug Steve Sarich Bolshevistkaya St. 23-51 Moscow, 123022 RUSSIA Email: steve@talus.msk.su Phone: 011-7095-255-9698
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next printing Mac postscript (trouble) Date: 2 Feb 1994 20:10:45 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2ip1c5$l8h@gap.cco.caltech.edu> We've got several Macs with ethernet connections into a SPARC1, and a NeXTstation serves as a printer for the whole group. We are finding that (Apple) System 6.0.7 is frequently giving postscript that the NeXT claims to be in error and unable to complete the job. Usually, the pages come out of the printer anyway, but sometimes it just won't work (a PowerDraw document is presently giving us headaches due to some dimension lines). Also, our latest Mac (quadra) running 7.1 doedn't print at all. Anyone else have a mixed net like this (I think we're using the Columbia package for ethernetting the Macs into the SPARC)? Is there some NeXT postscript requirement I could write a filter for? Thanks, Tim Cushing (tec@alta.com)
From: t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black White and ???? Message-ID: <2745@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 2 Feb 94 20:20:48 GMT References: <CKLF71.s1@friday.com> <2ioqcs$hd7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). Actually, the gekkos I saw in Indonesia last summer were more brownish (Although I am not quite sure they were not tokkes) GJ
From: rlion@think.digex.net (rebel lion) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sending files: NeXT-->Mac Date: 2 Feb 1994 21:21:09 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Message-ID: <2ip5g6$5u4@news1.digex.net> References: <2i9bts$fjp@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> In article <2i9bts$fjp@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> friel@swarthmore.edu (Patrick Friel) writes: > What techniques have people used to send files from NeXTs to Macs? We have > tried, but seem to be running into some problems getting out of a tar format. just untar the files before you transfer them! -- Eli Rosenblatt (rlion@access.digex.net (NeXTMail)) /\ Rebellion Systems \/ Specializing in Computer Consultation, repair, and Sales
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: How does the Gecko 8-bit framebuffer work? In-Reply-To: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca's message of 1 Feb 1994 17:37:35 -0800 Message-ID: <BYER.94Feb2135607@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <CKK9Bt.DE7@dvorak.amd.com> <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:56:07 GMT In article <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) writes: > So far I imagine the following system: the window server reads > and writes 24-bit values per pixel to the frame buffer. On write, > the hardware takes a 24-bit value and converts it into an 8-bit > value using some mapping function and stores it into the VRAM. > On read, the hardware converts the VRAM 8-bit value into 24-bits > using the reverse mapping function and gives that to the CPU. > The mapping function uses a dynamic CLUT that always makes sure > you have the maximum number of unique colours available. > Of course, this has the interesting feature that the value you > write to the framebuffer is not always the value that is returned > on read. Since everything is pretty much buffered off the > framebuffer anyway, I don't think this will affect NS much. ie, > I don't think any apps read pixels from the framebuffer and compare > them. That's my basic understanding of it so far, with a couple of additional points - values get punched through a color-mixing "cell", so that two pixels of the same 24 bit value that are next to each other might not get converted to the same 8 bit color. There may also some RAMDAC blurring that goes on, so that the cells are not as obvious in the middle of images, but seemingly only for certain parts of the framebuffer. There used to be a VGA technology that did this, but they used certain pixelvalues as opcodes. I'm not sure about the dynamic CLUT, it may complicate the hardware more. Personally, this strikes me as a lot of effort to go through just to avoid a little bit of extra VRAM. It only makes sense if there is a good cost savings over a cheap 12-bit or 24-bit smart framebuffer. It may make screen-to-screen blits fast, but would tend to slow down memory-to-screen blits, unless the blitter can operate on system memory (a tricky thing to get right - and it tends to put MP requirements on the OS & the X ddx). One question is: How does the system handle red text on a blue background? This is often one of the trickier situations for such hacks to handle. [Side note: Some people mentioned the quality of halftoning of 8 bit systems that have the Display PostScript extension. Note that the default colorcube that Display PostScript uses is less than 128 entries, in order to leave room for the application to allocate specific colors. This is under application control, however, and the application is free to ask for a better color cube. Experiments have show a 6x8x5 color cube with 16 value gray-ramp as the best overall color map setup.] -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: How to Convert X Fonts to NeXT/PS? In-Reply-To: jeddak@echonyc.com's message of 2 Feb 1994 03:38:43 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Feb2145647@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <2in783$1ob@subway.echonyc.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 22:56:47 GMT In article <2in783$1ob@subway.echonyc.com> jeddak@echonyc.com (Jonathan Donald) writes: > I've got some nifty MONOSPACED fonts that I want to use on my > NeXTstation (don't ask). The short answer is "no". > Is there an easy way to convert them (at least the bitmap portion) > to the Adobe format used under NeXTStep? Actually, the bitmap portion is the hard part. Display PostScript requires the Type 1 portion, and the bitmap tack-ons are so small fonts look good on the screen. > Barring that, does anyone know of any Type 1 single-pitched fonts > (besides Ohlfs and Courier) and where they might be obtained? We've found that the Lucida Typewriter series is quite nice (I think they're Bitstream fonts). Adobe has LetterGothic, Orator, and PrestigeElite. Adobe fonts for the NeXT can be gotten from Trilithon Software (info@trilithon.com) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Black White and ???? [summary] Message-ID: <CKMEzp.3Cy@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: news@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <2iotr2$j7c@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:38:11 GMT In article <2iotr2$j7c@gap.cco.caltech.edu> ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes: >>Mark Adler writes >>> The suggestion has been made that Gecko's be green and Sun's yellow. >>> Of course, if NeXTstep *really* takes off, we'll run out of colors >>> eventually. >> >>The _Official_ NeXTSTEP hardware Color Wheel :-) >> >>NeXT ('030, '040): Black >>Apple ('030, '040): Grey >>Intel ('486, Pentium): White >>non-Intel '486: Off-white >> Cyrix: Ivory >> AMD: Beige Hey, how wait a minute Ernie! I think AMD's should be Ivory an Cyrix should be Beige...after all...we have been using real Intel microcode! :-) -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems printing envelopes with NeXT printer. Date: 3 Feb 1994 01:04:03 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen Message-ID: <2ipf1j$9hs@alf.uib.no> I just bought a NeXT printer (thanks Sam!), and am trying it out today. I cannot seem to get envelopes to print. I am using standard A4 business envelopes (measure 22cm by 11cm). Yes, I've read the manual. And the FAQ. And NeXT Answers. I've tried setting paper size to both LTR and A4 without any luck. I have (so far) tried manual feed - I imagine that's the easiest to get to work. It seems that the envelope isn't drawn beyond the toner cartridge to the rollers that melt the toner - the envelope is left lying right in the middle of the bottom of the printer, under the toner cassette, with toner deposited correctly on the envelope. Could someone who has solved this or similar problem, or who knows how to fix this, please send me an e-mail? Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: How to Convert X Fonts to NeXT/PS? Message-ID: <1994Feb2.232916.847@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <2in783$1ob@subway.echonyc.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:29:16 GMT In article <2in783$1ob@subway.echonyc.com> jeddak@echonyc.com (Jonathan Donald) writes: >I've got some nifty MONOSPACED fonts that I want to use on my NeXTstation >(don't ask). > >Is there an easy way to convert them (at least the bitmap portion) to the >Adobe format used under NeXTStep? > >Barring that, does anyone know of any Type 1 single-pitched fonts (besides >Ohlfs and Courier) and where they might be obtained? > >Thanks for any help, tidbits, or dark hints flung this way... > >jd >-- >*************************************************************************** >* Entropy is all * >*************************************************************************** I will answer part 2 first: Adobe's Orator, PrestigeElite and LetterGothic and I believe OCRA, OCRB and MICR are all monospaced. As far as converting them, I recommend Metamorphosis Professional from (blush) Altsys. It runs on the Mac... -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Using fonts other than Courier or Ohlfs for Terminal Message-ID: <1994Feb2.233323.935@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX Distribution: world Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:33:23 GMT I have some monospaced fonts I use on my NeXT. I can't get Terminal to let me use them. Any clues? Does stuart let you change fonts? Thanks, -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ginsparg@lanl.gov (PG) Subject: Re: Digital Librarian indexing: why does DL search index then files? Message-ID: <1994Feb2.051519.4009@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <9401191251.AA02837@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 05:15:19 GMT In article <9401191251.AA02837@dcs.shef.ac.uk> M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) writes: > > You have to index with ixbuild -s (at least) if you want "static" > indexes. (DL doesn't do this if you use the target inspector to > index). Otherwise, DL thinks that the source may have changed, so > after it searches the index, it goes through all the source files... > This behaviour is counter-intuitive, so I've filed a bug against it. > To work around this "bug" you therefore have to index targets from the > Unix command-line. > ... > To index, type > > ixbuild -fgsv -LEnglish . > ok, i noticed the problem with the 3.2 provided /NextLibrary/Literature/Shakespeare/.index.store -- namely, the index is searched but then DL goes on to search *all* the individual files, taking forever. (note that i have had Shakespeare since 2.0 so this bug was developed at some point in my upgrade sequence 2.0->2.1->3.0->3.2 ) so i rebuilt according to above suggestion: cd /NextLibrary/Literature/Shakespeare mv .index.store /tmp ixbuild -fgsv -LEnglish . and now indeed the search terminates on the static index. but i notice that the index has increased dramatically in size. it started at -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 1499136 Aug 20 16:37 .index.store and my recreated index increased in size to -rw-r--r-- 1 root 2564096 Jan 29 22:26 .index.store out of curiousity i also tried without the -g switch and got -rw-r--r-- 1 root 2342912 Jan 29 22:36 .index.store still almost 1Mb larger than the one on the 3.2 CD-ROM (which as mentioned doesn't work properly). is this increase in size to be expected or is there something wrong? pg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rob@brewster.demon.co.uk (Rob Heyes) Subject: Re: NeXTStep coexisting with other OSes? References: <mitsuCKE1p5.MqG@netcom.com> Organization: Kallisti Systems Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 05:32:44 +0000 Message-ID: <760192364snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <mitsuCKE1p5.MqG@netcom.com> mitsu@netcom.com (Mitsu Hadeishi) writes: > I understand that it is possible to install NeXTStep along with > DOS; however, how is NeXTStep's ability to coexist on an Intel platform > with other operating systems? In particular, we have a need to run > DOS, OS/2, NT, and NeXTStep. Is there some way to do this? NT will > allow you to install it on any partition, so you can use the OS/2 Boot > Manager to select NT as a bootable partition, for example. From a > cursory examination of the NeXT fdisk man page, it doesn't look too good, > but I'd like to find out if anyone knows anything about this. Thanks. I run NS, OS/2 and DOS on my machine without any problems - I can't remember what order I installed everything though :-( I'd recommend installing DOS on a primary partition with OS/2 on an extended partition (I use a FAT partition so that I can access both the DOS and OS/2 partitions from each other without the drive letters changing). Rob Heyes
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nextstep for Intel and Gateway2000-66P Date: 2 Feb 1994 19:39:08 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2iovgs$sav@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <CKK2JJ.52q@ul.ie> In article <CKK2JJ.52q@ul.ie>, Paul Carrig <9053656@ul.ie> wrote: >We have a number of Gateway200-66P machines in our department and would like to install nextstep 3.1 on them. So far we have tried on one and are experiencing some difficulties in configuring the machine after installation. At present we are only able to use the default VGA display mode. None of the other resolutions/modes work when a driver is selected. > >There is an ATI MACH32 PCI video card in the machine. Selecting the ATI Ultra driver does not work, even though it is the only driver which supports the ATI chips on the video card. I have even tried installing the ATIdriver update, but to no avail. > >All documentation/literature refers only to the Gateway2000-66V machines. I suspect that the 66P's are not fully supported. There also appears to be some problems with the network card but I have not checked that out fully yet. If it is the case that the PCI versions of the Gateway machines are currently not fully supported, does anyone know if NeXT are planning to ship PCI versions of their device drivers in the near future? > >If anyone else has experienced problems of a similar nature could they please email me directly. I'll summarise anything worthwhile that I come across. > > PCI support is not there yet. Someone on the net however, just posted a set of changes to the driverkit example for the ATI board that made a functional PCI driver. Basically it just changed the memory aperture and cleaned up some messages (almost trival logic changes). > > >Paul Carrig email 9035656@ul.ie > This address doesn't work from here. ================================================================== This Message Transfer Agent could not deliver your mail to : 9053656@ul.ie Reason: Unknown local user '9053656' Please contact Postmaster@ul.ie if you require assistance in finding the correct address for this user. Your original message is appended below. Many Thanks, Denis Hickey, Systems Section Information Technology Dept University of Limerick ========================================================================== -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Next printing Mac postscript (trouble) In-Reply-To: tec@cco.caltech.edu's message of 2 Feb 1994 20:10:45 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Feb2195125@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <2ip1c5$l8h@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 03:51:25 GMT In article <2ip1c5$l8h@gap.cco.caltech.edu> tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) writes: > Anyone else have a mixed net like this (I think we're using the > Columbia package for ethernetting the Macs into the SPARC)? Is > there some NeXT postscript requirement I could write a filter > for? I highly recommend getting all of your Macs onto the same LaserWriter version, which is at least at 8.1 (?). LaserWriter 8.0 was the first to output transportable PostScript that could actually be used. It should still run on 6.0.x Macs. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Using fonts other than Courier or Ohlfs for Terminal In-Reply-To: lorinr@altsys.com's message of Wed, 2 Feb 1994 23:33:23 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Feb2195526@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <1994Feb2.233323.935@altsys.com> Distribution: world Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 03:55:26 GMT In article <1994Feb2.233323.935@altsys.com> lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: > I have some monospaced fonts I use on my NeXT. I can't get Terminal > to let me use them. Any clues? Does stuart let you change fonts? Make sure both the Type 1 Font Program and the afm file claim the font is monospaced. The Type 1 font should have "/isFixedPitch true def" in it, the afm file should have "IsFixedPitch true" in it. Terminal lets me use Letter Gothic and Cheq with no problem - although I don't think Cheq is suitable for long sessions :-). -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: fineman@cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) Subject: How do i plug a multisyncing monitor into a station? Message-ID: <1994Feb3.041935.29729@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 04:19:35 GMT I've gota Dell 17" Multisyncing monitor, and i'd like to plug it into a NeXTStation. Can this be done? ifTrue: how? (object-oriented posting; the wave of the future) thanks dan fineman@cs.washington.edu
From: peter@ryutai.co.jp (Peter Evans) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next Japan Date: 3 Feb 1994 13:01:18 +0900 Organization: Ryutai Consultants, Tokyo Message-ID: <2ipsue$sq@hera.ryutai.co.jp> A while back someone offered to send me the email address of Next in Japan, Could they do that? I think they were in Japan too. Pretty please! (Onegaishimasu) Peter ----* -- My opinions are my own, my company is not capable of opinions, even if it was, they would be stupid.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mlnorman@flagstaff.Princeton.EDU (Michael Louis Norman) Subject: NeXT Doom Message-ID: <1994Feb2.193738.14574@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:37:38 GMT (I haven't seen any FAQL so I hope this wouldn't be on one) Could some kind soul mail me some info on Doom for NeXT? I know it's beta, but I hear it's an open beta. Where can I find it? Is it for Intel or Moto? Thanks - Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey) Subject: Re: Converting Multi-Disk .pkg's to a Single .pkg file Message-ID: <CKM0Hr.G8x@fafnir.com> Sender: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey) Organization: Fafnir Software, Saugus, CA, USA References: <2iesmc$o1n@inca.gate.net> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 18:25:01 GMT In article <2iesmc$o1n@inca.gate.net> mgilula@inca.gate.net (Marshall Gilula) writes: > dblakele@acpub.duke.edu wrote: > : Howdy do! > > : I'm being stymied by the bug in NS3.1 for black hardware in dealing with > : PLI SuperFloppies on the SCSI bus. > > Me too! My understanding is that if you use this fd > with 3.1 or 3.2, you are supposed to get /etc/disk > from 3.0 and replaced the (now hosed) 3.1 or 3.2 version > > sorry if my comment isn't directly into the .pkg problem > but my fd generally causes a system panic whenever > trying to format a hd fd. > Here's a simple script to format external floppies under 3.2. NOTE: CHANGE THE "2" TO WHATEVER IS CORRECT FOR YOUR SYSTEM! NOT RESPONSIBLE! You must run it as root. The system will ask you to insert the disc. #!/bin/sh /usr/etc/sdform /dev/rsd2a /usr/etc/disk /dev/rsd2a <<EOD label write localhost UntitledDisk quit EOD /etc/newfs /dev/rsd2a /usr/etc/disk -e /dev/rsd2a exit -- What I did must have been right, or an angel would have stopped me, just as the angel stopped Abraham in the Bible. -- Albert Fish, the cannibal Jim McKelvey mckelvey@fafnir.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Floptical disks for a cube Message-ID: <CKKnwA.CC@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <2ibcnk$kk6@cnn.sim.es.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 00:55:22 GMT In article <2ibcnk$kk6@cnn.sim.es.com> npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) writes: #In article d7d@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu, oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu (Kurt Oldenburg) writes: #> I've got a NeXTCube with a 256 meg internal floptical drive and I need #> to get some more flopticals. I"ve looked in the Computer Shopper but #> can't find anyone who lists 256 meg ones. Will using a higher volume #> disk work (like formatting a 1.44 meg disk to 720 K)? Or could somebody #> suggest where I could find the proper size?? # #The NeXT optical drive is a proprietary drive #using proprietary media. It can *only* use media specifically #engineered for this drive. Canon no longer has any in stock, and #won't be making them any more. # #However, I still have some (new, still in shrink wrap). #They are $20 each if you buy at least 10-- otherwise $25 each. #You can order COD, VISA or MASTERCARD. Call (801) 265-8949, or #email me for more info. Atually they may not make the 256MB disks anymore but the two sided 512MB disks will work and all you need to do is turn them over. Anyway other than the 256MB disks will work but they have to be the Canon 512MB version. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: boconnor@andi.org (Bob O'Connor) Subject: Re: NeXT users in Moscow (Berlin and Paris, too) Message-ID: <CKn3st.C79@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <MAGNUS.94Feb1214042@fisher.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 08:34:05 GMT In article <MAGNUS.94Feb1214042@fisher.Stanford.EDU> magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: > I am trying to help a colleague who wants to know if there are any > NeXT users in Moscow (or if he would be the only one). Please let me > know if you read this, and I will forward your mail. > > Thanks, > -- > > Magnus Nordborg > magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail welcome) > Department of Biological Sciences > Stanford University > Stanford, CA 94305-5020 > +1 (415) 723-4952 (office) I am also interested. I will be going to Berlin, Paris and Moscow in June with the University of Maryland Chorus and would love to meet some fellow NeXT compatriots (comrades) along the way. -- Bob O'Connor Just BOB Macintosh and NeXT Consulting 7935 Shreve Road Falls Church, VA. 22043-3425 USA (703) 207-9438 justbob@andi.org
From: scheurer@lithnext.epfl.ch (Marco Scheurer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How does the Gecko 8-bit framebuffer work? Date: 3 Feb 1994 09:02:25 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <2iqej1$an9@info.epfl.ch> References: <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> In article <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) writes: > So far I imagine the following system: the window server reads > and writes 24-bit values per pixel to the frame buffer. On write, > the hardware takes a 24-bit value and converts it into an 8-bit > value using some mapping function and stores it into the VRAM. > On read, the hardware converts the VRAM 8-bit value into 24-bits > using the reverse mapping function and gives that to the CPU. > The mapping function uses a dynamic CLUT that always makes sure > you have the maximum number of unique colours available. > Of course, this has the interesting feature that the value you > write to the framebuffer is not always the value that is returned > on read. Since everything is pretty much buffered off the > framebuffer anyway, I don't think this will affect NS much. ie, > I don't think any apps read pixels from the framebuffer and compare > them. We had a Gecko demo from HP yesterday. I think that Floyd-Sternberg dithering (also known as error diffusion) is used to display 24-bit images with 8-bit hardware. Could it be that their Color Recovery stuff is just hardware assisted dithering? Maybe this combined with something else? I asked the guy doing the demo to display a TIFF image (unfortunately not one provided by me, and I don't know if it was a 24-bit image or not) and then to zoom into it until each pixel was about 1 inch square. The color of each square was not uniform, but a mix of two colors, that followed the distinctive Floyd-Sternberg "pattern". The result was clearly different from a blowup of a dithered image, where each pixel would be of uniform color. All in all, and whatever the method used, the display looked nice, and I can live with it for most applications. I can hardly wait until I can see NEXTSTEP on these stations, and check for instance how transparency looks. --- In "1994" Microsoft will introduce Windows 4.0. And you'll see why "1994" will be just like 1984. Marco Scheurer (scheurer@lithnext.epfl.ch, NeXTMail) Laboratoire d'Informatique Theorique Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne (Switzerland) (+41) 21 693-2589
From: tilley@cc.umanitoba.ca () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do I create 3.2 bootable od Date: 3 Feb 1994 09:00:37 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Message-ID: <2iqefl$dc3@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <znr759825766k@quark.uucp> In <znr759825766k@quark.uucp> enyaw@quark.uucp (Wayne Simila-Dickinson) writes: >The subject says it. build disk does not create a "bootable" optical >disk for NS 3.2 on my machine. It is almost bootable. Just use "disk" to change the bootfile in the label from "mach_boot" (or whatever, I forget) to "odmach". You could instead create /mach_boot as a link to /odmach -- .. Richard <tilley@cc.umanitoba.ca> NextMail OK.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: Dead Printer Message-ID: <UFNLB4KK@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1994Feb1.235007.17328@math.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 08:53:28 GMT Paul Fan (fan@sonia.math.ucla.edu) wrote: > Greetings, > I have a friend who killed his NeXT b/w printer by running it > from an European outlet (220v) without first flipping the > inside switch. Does anyone know whether there is likely to > be an easy fix to this problem? > He is in Europe and he would like to know whether he should > just junk the printer or bring it back to be fixed. Depends where he is in europe. He could ask Bell Atlantic Europe (Sorbus) to check, what's wrong. But that's not cheap. I wouldn't junk the printer, if e.g. he can get hold of another broken one, he could just mix the parts to make one working one. BTW, he can still sell the printer in europe, he should get a much better price than in the states. The worst case would be a really broken power supply, as Bell Atlantic charges about DM 800 == $480 for it :-( But you'd still make some profit if you repair/sell it. Prices are higher here because it's annoying to ship something from the states, UPS, FedEx, ... charge you a fortune. Ciao, Stephan -- trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org (Bruno Brottier) Subject: Re: X11 on Next ? (Was: Mosaic on NeXTs) Message-ID: <1994Feb3.012810.4237@icare.fdn.org> Sender: news@icare.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Levallois, France. References: <1994Feb1.101044.19775@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 01:28:10 GMT In article <1994Feb1.101044.19775@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> cichon@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Gordon Cichon) writes: > > How can I start a remote X program on a NeXT ? > I have a login on a networked NeXT and a have access to > other computers via rlogin on which some X applications > run I have to work with. Is it possible to do this from > the NeXT ? Yes, of course. Ask your dealer for Cub'X window. This is the best X11 server on NeXT hw and all NEXTSTEP systems BB PS: Unfortunately, I do not earn any $ to promote it ... --------------------------- Bruno Brottier 37 rue Chaptal 92300 LEVALLOIS PERRET E-mail: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org -- [NeXTmail] ---------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bazavan@cup.hp.com (Valentin Bazavan) Subject: Re: NeXTStep coexisting with other OSes? Sender: news@cupnews0.cup.hp.com (News Admin) Message-ID: <CKnqBE.8pz@cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 16:40:26 GMT References: <mitsuCKE1p5.MqG@netcom.com> <760192364snx@brewster.demon.co.uk> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Rob Heyes (rob@brewster.demon.co.uk) wrote: : I run NS, OS/2 and DOS on my machine without any problems - I can't remember : what order I installed everything though :-( : I'd recommend installing DOS on a primary partition with OS/2 on an extended : partition (I use a FAT partition so that I can access both the DOS and OS/2 : partitions from each other without the drive letters changing). : Rob Heyes Could you elaborate a little bit? Can you start NS from the Boot Manager? I have OS/2, NT and NS on my system, but NS doesn't boot from the BM; it starts the booting sequence, then hangs. However, I have no problem selecting either OS/2 or NT from the Boot Manager. Valentin Bazavan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: NetInfo 3.0->3.2 Message-ID: <1994Feb1.111734.5516@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <2i9mh4$j2s@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 11:17:34 GMT In article <2i9mh4$j2s@gap.cco.caltech.edu> tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) writes: > After installing NS3.2 onto an external drive (previously initialized > via a BuildDisk from my working NS3.0 internal drive) I discovered that > booting from the new drive failed to find the network, and didn't retain > any of my exports & such. > > I tried copying the /etc/netinfo folder from the 3.0 drive, but that, too, > failed (and actually hung the reboot when I made the names match). > > So, how do I transfer my net setup including exports, imports, etc. across > the upgrade? I don't see anything in the upgrade instructions, and it > worked just fine going from 2.1 to 3.0. > > Thanks, > Timothy E. Cushing > tec@alta.com > You can get textual output of your NI database with 'nidump'. Read the man page and it should be quite explanatory. - Drew -- +--------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson - Software Guy | "When I'm a good dog they sometimes | | First National Bank of Chicago | throw me a bone..." | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | - Pink Floyd | +--------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next printing Mac postscript (trouble) Date: 3 Feb 1994 18:50:40 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2irh20$26t@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <2ip1c5$l8h@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <BYER.94Feb2195125@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: >I highly recommend getting all of your Macs onto the same LaserWriter >version, which is at least at 8.1 (?). LaserWriter 8.0 was the >first to output transportable PostScript that could actually be >used. I agree that LaserWriter 8.x should be used wherever possible, it produces very good PostScript. However, we noticed some major incompatibilities with Freehand 3.1 and XPress 3.1. Marcel
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Clone '486 Chips (WAS Re: Black White and ???? [summary]) Date: 3 Feb 1994 18:55:05 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <2irha9$305@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <CKMEzp.3Cy@dvorak.amd.com> Ron Pomeroy x(Coop) writes > (Ernest Prabhakar) writes: > >>The _Official_ NeXTSTEP hardware Color Wheel :-) > >> > >>NeXT ('030, '040): Black > >>Apple ('030, '040): Grey > >>Intel ('486, Pentium): White > >>non-Intel '486: Off-white > >> Cyrix: Ivory > >> AMD: Beige > > Hey, how wait a minute Ernie! > > I think AMD's should be Ivory an Cyrix should be Beige...after > all...we have been using real Intel microcode! > > :-) > > -- > Ronald Pomeroy > Advanced Micro Devices On the other hand, do you want to be associated with poaching? :-) Seriously, I would be very interested in hearing: - who all are currently making (real) '486-compatible CPUS - what the differences between them are - whether anyone can/has run NeXTSTEP on them Thanks, - Ernie P. P.S. I guess this just goes to show that the issue isn't entirely black & white... -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus' sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Citing from UMD Physics Report (sort of) Date: 3 Feb 1994 19:16:18 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <2irii2$3nk@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Somebody left the annual report from the Physics Department of the University of Maryland at our mail stop. Under the heading "Dynamical Systems and Accelerator Theory", there was a discussion of their participation in a follow-on project to the Standford Linear Accelerator. The sentence read: "Dynamical systems and acclerator theorists are key contributors to the NeXT Linear Collider (NLC),..." Capitalization theirs! In addition to market-share and mind-share, NeXT seems to be gaining word-share as well. Maybe its some sort of perverse justice to make up for the fact that the trade rags always spell "NeXT" as "Next". -- Ernie P. P.S. Perhaps Paul Kunz's work has had an influence on them... -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus' sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Who's interested in a graphics/multimedia BOF at NWE? Date: 3 Feb 1994 21:46:56 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2irrcg$78j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: NeXT, RenderMan, desktop publishing, multimedia, gang sex Well, they haven't taken my connection away just yet...:-) I propose a Birds of a Feather meeting at the June NeXTWORLD Expo where those of us who use NeXTSTEP and NS apps for graphics and multimedia can get together and strut our stuff. I 'd like to see a "digital gallery", demos of tips and techniques, a few speakers (several voices heard here in the c.s.n.* newsgroups come to mind), company reps and product demos, and that sort of thing. The Information Superhighway (Hype-way? :-)) surely qualifies as a critical mission, and we have an awesome pizza wagon to make deliveries in. (Hmmm...the metaphors are getting a little thick.) Let me know if you'd be interested in such a confab, and I'll compile the results, post 'em and forward 'em to NeXT and NeXTWORLD. Steve Weintz Main Man, EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving the anthropological profession (217) 328-4803 {for now}: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
From: si@sisnext.sf.ca.us (Lawrence S. Kroll) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: scanner software Date: 3 Feb 1994 15:49:00 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9402032127.AA03204@sisnext.uucp> Looking for software to drive a Microtek 300G color flatbed scanner on my NeXT
From: si@sisnext.sf.ca.us (Lawrence S. Kroll) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: LabelMaker Date: 3 Feb 1994 15:49:10 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9402032138.AA03219@sisnext.uucp> I have a SmartLabel Printer Plus I used on my Mac. Is there software that will run it on the NeXT?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: mhamrick@dallas.bozell.com(Matt Hamrick) Subject: DOS CD Driver for NeXT CD Message-ID: <1994Feb3.004117.2335@bozell.com> Keywords: DOS CD-ROM CD Sender: news@bozell.com Organization: Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:41:17 GMT Hey everybody, I know that this one had got to have been asked (and answered) before, but I'm looking for the DOS CD Driver that will allow me to use my NeXT CD-ROM drive while my machine is running DOS. Note that I've already tried to run it under SoftPC which has CD-ROM support, but lousy serial support. Now I'm trying to run DOS (ugh!) on my machine which has good serial support, but lousy NeXT CD-ROM support (as far as I can find, anyway). Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.... -mhamrick -- Matthew S. Hamrick | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't." mhamrick@bozell.com | -Shakespeare, Hamlet Act 2, Scene 2 Temerlin McClain | Dallas, Texas | NeXT Mail Capable
From: pvinson@gryphon Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Softpc won't run! Date: 03 Feb 94 14:43:27 Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Distribution: fj Message-ID: <pvinson.94Feb3144327@gryphon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I FINALLY got a copy of 3.2. FIP However, I can't run the SoftPC...when it comes up, it says "this session won't run with full-screen graphics" or something. Then it lets me quit or continue, but either one immediately quits. Any ideas? I'm using an ATI Ultra Pro VLB card with 1MB Ram. I've tried running in B&W and 800x600 16bit color.
From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Some Questions about NS/ Date: 3 Feb 1994 23:21:25 GMT Organization: Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2is0tl$pmn@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <cmart-290194144043@cisco-slip7.acc.virginia.edu> <1.4927.2590.0N27BD2B@satalink.com> In comp.sys.next.misc tim.romano@satalink.com (Tim Romano) writes: >Chris Martin writes >C>I have a few questions about NS/FIP 3.2 >C>1. Can NS/FIP be booted from OS/2's bootmanager? From a second IDE >C>HD, possibly >C> using a small NS boot partition or something? NS/FIP can be booted from OS/2's bootmanager when NS resides on the primary hard drive. For booting from a secondary hard drive, see NeXTanswer 1487 - Booting From an Alternative Hard Disk Drive. >There is a 3-page document available from NeXT, entitled "The Intel Boot >Process", which describes the procedure for installing a small (7mb) >NeXT boot partition with the remainder of the OS on a second drive. The >copy I have does not have an Entry Number; it was last revised in on 29 >December 93. The name has been changed to the name above, and the document has been somewhat revised. There are no important technical changes; just stylistic changes. >I was not aware of the 64mb DOS partition limitation to which you refer. >Could you post the reference? Thanks. NeXTanswer 1481: Large DOS Partition Bug. Rollie -- Matt Rollefson ("Rollie") draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu Residential Computing, Stanford University NeXTmail accepted
From: Joe_Keenan@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DOS CD Driver for NeXT CD Date: 3 Feb 1994 22:51:57 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2irv6d$ach@rosie.next.com> References: <1994Feb3.004117.2335@bozell.com> In article <1994Feb3.004117.2335@bozell.com> mhamrick@dallas.bozell.com(Matt Hamrick) writes: > I know that this one had got to have been asked (and answered) before, > but I'm looking for the DOS CD Driver that will allow me to use my NeXT > CD-ROM drive while my machine is running DOS. Note that I've already tried > to run it under SoftPC which has CD-ROM support, but lousy serial support. > Now I'm trying to run DOS (ugh!) on my machine which has good serial > support, but lousy NeXT CD-ROM support (as far as I can find, anyway). Any > pointers would be greatly appreciated.... I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you trying to use a NeXT CD-ROM drive with a DOS-style CD under DOS, or are you trying to read a NeXTSTEP-style CD? If you want to use DOS (ISO-9660) disks with a NeXT CD-ROM drive, you should have no problem. There's nothing NeXT-specific about the black CD drive. It's a Sony CDU-540 (I think). But you will have to load the MS-DOS device drivers for CD-ROM support. As for reading a NeXTSTEP-format CD from DOS, I think you're out of luck. joe keenan NeXT Technical Support
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DOS CD Driver for NeXT CD(-ROM DRIVE) ? Date: 4 Feb 1994 00:20:17 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2is4c1$co3@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2irv6d$ach@rosie.next.com> In article <2irv6d$ach@rosie.next.com> Joe_Keenan@next.com writes: >In article <1994Feb3.004117.2335@bozell.com> mhamrick@dallas.bozell.com(Matt >Hamrick) writes: > >> I know that this one had got to have been asked (and answered) before, >> but I'm looking for the DOS CD Driver that will allow me to use my NeXT >> CD-ROM drive while my machine is running DOS. > >There's nothing NeXT-specific about the black CD drive. It's >a Sony CDU-540 (I think). But you will have to load the MS-DOS device drivers >for CD-ROM support. I think his questions are exactly about this. Where do we get MS-DOS drivers to support NeXT CD-ROM drive (Sony 540)? MSCDEX.EXE are available via ftp.microsoft.com, but that doesn't seem cover everything. Drive vendor is supposed to bundle DOS driver but of course NeXT didn't give us one, and we didn't need it at the time. But now, the drive is attached to a PC with DOS and NS partitions, and naturally you want to use the drive from DOS as well as from NS. Some CD-ROM disks may not be readable under one or the other OS'es, but that's not a problem. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Clone '486 Chips (WAS Re: Black White and ???? [summary]) Message-ID: <CKoDBL.E3B@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: news@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <2irha9$305@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 00:57:19 GMT In article <2irha9$305@gap.cco.caltech.edu> ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes: >>Ron Pomeroy x(Coop) writes >>> (Ernest Prabhakar) writes: >>> >>The _Official_ NeXTSTEP hardware Color Wheel :-) >>> >> >>> >>NeXT ('030, '040): Black >>> >>Apple ('030, '040): Grey >>> >>Intel ('486, Pentium): White >>> >>non-Intel '486: Off-white >>> >> Cyrix: Ivory >>> >> AMD: Beige >>> >>> Hey, how wait a minute Ernie! >>> >>> I think AMD's should be Ivory an Cyrix should be Beige...after >>> all...we have been using real Intel microcode! >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> -- >>> Ronald Pomeroy >>> Advanced Micro Devices >> >>On the other hand, do you want to be associated with poaching? :-) >> >>Seriously, I would be very interested in hearing: >>- who all are currently making (real) '486-compatible CPUS >>- what the differences between them are >>- whether anyone can/has run NeXTSTEP on them >> >>Thanks, >> >>- Ernie P. >>P.S. I guess this just goes to show that the issue isn't entirely >>black & white... >>-- The marketing guys pulled a real coup! Instead of telling everyone the a true 486 compatable chip...they tell everyone it's a Windows compatable chip and plaster a Windows icon right there on the cpu! Phew...real imaginative bunch 'o guys eh ? -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: How does the Gecko 8-bit framebuffer work? Message-ID: <CKMI3J.18q@zoodle.robin.de> Sender: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Organization: meow!!! References: <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:45:19 GMT Stuart Ritchie writes > I am curious about how this 8-bit framebuffer works. Can someone > describe the technical details? I'm curious too. Maybe it's something similar to the old Amiga's HAM mode. For those who don't know: HAM stands for Hold-And-Modify. 6 bitplanes are used there, with two of them specifying whether the other 4 indicate a new color register access or whether one of the three base colors should be set to a new value. Basically you can reach every one of the Amiga's 4096 colors within three pixels, and basically it's almost impossible to program this beasty efficientally for arbitrary use. If something like HAM is used in the Gecko then the color-modifications couldn't be absolute values (only 6 of 8 bits free), but maybe a diff to the previous one. As I said before it's really not the most easy thing to program a HAM screen, so maybe that's what's supported by special hardware? Any other idea? Bye, Uli -- An EMACS missionaire is breeding over a problem, obviously puzzled. A VI disciple comes along, sees his facial expression, and says: "Ctrl-x Ctrl-c ..."
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John "Kzin" Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Formatting NeXTStep Floppies under NS/Intel Message-ID: <136098@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 4 Feb 94 01:06:37 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology First, I'm sorry about the crosspost, I wasn't sure which of the three groups was most appropriate. I've been trying to make a floppy formatted for nextstep (instead of dos) on my NS/I system, but it always gives me the following error: block 2448 block_count 18 The 2448 might be replaced 2556 sometimes (out of 4 or 5 tries, I wrote down the second and last message on the console). I used the workspace "Disk->Scan for Disks" menu option in all of the cases. The first few times, I had my 5.25" drive hooked up, and activated in my cmos setup. The last time, I deactivated the 5.25" drive in cmos setup, but still had it physically hooked up. I'm really kind of miffed.. for one, I'd like to make a boot floppy in case something goes wrong. for two, I don't want to have to go back and forth from Dos to Unix file systems every time I do sneaker net transfers.. I want to be able to just use the unix file system. Thanks for anyhelp John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.============== DOOM ON YOU!
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: xv3.0a on NeXT Date: 2 Feb 1994 23:56:13 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2ipb2d$sg@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Jan31165341@shrug.dur.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> writes: >For some reason the xv3.0a which I compiled many months ago has pretty much >ceased being a useful product, I suspect it was my own lameness in >compilation (took some tweaking to get right)...now I find that when I'm >trying to get it to compile under 3.2 I fail miserably....has anyone >bothered to get this to work correctly? Compile with 'cc -bsd' and comment out the S_IFIFO bracket containing a mkfifo call. The rest went quite easy for me. Regards, Markus. -- Marsu: "There really exist some people who live happily and satis- fied without computers." -- Frankie: "Oh no, they just emulate it!" ----- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Intel aside.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: Next printing Mac postscript (trouble) Message-ID: <bchin.760339305@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <2ip1c5$l8h@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 05:21:45 GMT tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) writes: >We've got several Macs with ethernet connections into a SPARC1, and a >NeXTstation serves as a printer for the whole group. We are finding that >(Apple) System 6.0.7 is frequently giving postscript that the NeXT claims >to be in error and unable to complete the job. Usually, the pages come >out of the printer anyway, but sometimes it just won't work (a PowerDraw >document is presently giving us headaches due to some dimension lines). >Also, our latest Mac (quadra) running 7.1 doedn't print at all. Make sure you are using the 8.0 LaserWriter drivers written by or cowriten by Adobe. You can download the PPD file from the NeXT for whatever printer you are using and plug it into the new driver. Earlier LaserWriter drivers put out some "awful" code (an Adobe guy told me that once). If, for some reason you cannot use the 8.0 drivers, you must put the postscript through one of the several LaserWriter prep fix utilities. Good luck! -- Bill Chin - bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bpatters@nyx.cs.du.edu (Blake Patterson) Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Message-ID: <1994Feb4.055350.17456@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> <2ib6kf$cl4@bantu.provo.novell.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 05:53:50 GMT Curious...what does it look like while NeXTStep Intel is loading? How long does it take approx (good speed SCSI HD & 66MHz machine)?? Also -- how would you boot DOS If you've a DOS partition on your system's HD, instead of NeXSTStep autoloading??? Does NS autoboot from a command in a DOS .BAT file that sends control of system over to NeXTStep? bp Also, NeXTStep will read MSDOS 1.44mb floppies, right?
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Running OS 3.2 on 68030 Cube -- details? Date: 4 Feb 1994 07:40:21 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <2isu55$bt2@hub.ucsb.edu> Could somebody give me some details on how NeXT OS 3.x runs on the old 68030 machines? I know that it is "not optimized" for them, but I want to know just what is affected by this. For example, I do a very large amount of floating point crunching -- would this be likely to run *slower* under 3.x than it does under 2.x? Most importantly I want to know whether 3.x will run at least equally as fast as 2.1 or close to it -- I dont care if it is no faster on the 030. Thank you for any information. -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) Subject: Re: How does the Gecko 8-bit framebuffer work? Message-ID: <1994Feb4.101804.19363@icaen.uiowa.edu> Sender: usenet@icaen.uiowa.edu (UseNet News daemon) Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa References: <CKK9Bt.DE7@dvorak.amd.com> <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> <BYER.94Feb2135607@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 10:18:04 GMT byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: >One question is: How does the system handle red text on a blue >background? This is often one of the trickier situations for such >hacks to handle. Got to play with one today....I had read your post yesterday so I tried that out. Red text on a blue background (I tried several combinations of different reds and blues) looked fine. I wasn't too impressed with the color recovery, but there was only 1 JPEG available to look at. For all I know it may not have even been 24 bit! It did put a JPEG covering about 1/5 of the 1280x1024 screen real estate up in a fraction of a second. That hardware JPEG capability certainly works nicely! Doug Siebert || dsiebert@isca.uiowa.edu || Defeat Usenet spool grepping! Kibo Turkey Greece Macedonia Perl Watcom Mason Clinton Illuminati Fnord Hastur
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scp@sonia.math.ucla.edu (S. Port) Subject: Re: How to Convert X Fonts to NeXT/PS? Message-ID: <1994Feb4.084845.26708@math.ucla.edu> Sender: news@math.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department References: <2in783$1ob@subway.echonyc.com> <BYER.94Feb2145647@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 08:48:45 GMT You can convert any Adobe type 1 font to mono space. These are fonts *not* using screen versions. Do this: Open the foo.font folder. Open the printer and afm files in Edit something similar. Change isFixedPitch from *false* to *true* Save files, closeup, and... run buildafmdir ~/Fonts from a shell. Not all fonts look good from mono spaced, but many do. Good Luck. Charlie Dvorak
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: Problems printing envelopes with NeXT printer. Message-ID: <BOOLB5WD@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <2ipf1j$9hs@alf.uib.no> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 11:34:35 GMT Thor Legvold (edmtl@alf.uib.no) wrote: > I just bought a NeXT printer (thanks Sam!), and am trying it out today. > I cannot seem to get envelopes to print. I am using standard A4 > business envelopes (measure 22cm by 11cm). Yes, I've read the manual. > And the FAQ. And NeXT Answers. > I've tried setting paper size to both LTR and A4 without any luck. > I have (so far) tried manual feed - I imagine that's the easiest to get > to work. It seems that the envelope isn't drawn beyond the toner > cartridge to the rollers that melt the toner - the envelope is left > lying right in the middle of the bottom of the printer, under the > toner cassette, with toner deposited correctly on the envelope. This happens indeed, if you try to print outside the paper/envelope inserted. When toner would miss the paper, printing is stopped. You can either enter the correct measure in PageLayout yourself, or use some App to generated envelopes. e.g there is Poste.app (not too marvelous, but it works...) \begin{quote} Quick Overview Poste is an application/service that prints envelopes. It can be used to print multiple envelopes from a record file, or quickly produce a formatted envelope from another application. Poste is free. \end{quote} Ciao, Stephan -- trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de
From: Trevor Pokorney <tp1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Boot Problems Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 09:27:21 -0500 Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <chIZh9m00YUoJRL3pn@andrew.cmu.edu> ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- X-Andrew-WideReply: netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: via nntpserv with nntp; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:38:02 -0500 (EST) Path: andrew.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!tp1j+ From: Trevor Pokorney <tp1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Boot Problems Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:29:55 -0500 Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <ghIEdXi00YUo0kEK8e@andrew.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu I have a NeXT ColorStation running NeXTStep 3.0 and I am having problems with my boot procedure (hard or cold). The init program runs through the /etc/rc.boot script and the /etc/rc script just fine. (I have tested this by making changes to /etc/rc.local and seeing that the changes work properly.) But, before running the loginwindow program, I experience about a 5 minute delay. After the delay, the rest of the boot process (which is only the login) runs fine. This delay would not bother so much, but I have two more problems that arose at the same time, and therefore I assume they are related: 1) The DSP is not available to play sounds, and 2) The Operating System does not recognize my DOS disks. My 3.0 OS is installed on an external drive, so I booted directly from my slab (which has version 2.1). The slab gave me no delays, the DSP works well, and the OS recognizes my DOS disks. So, there seems to be no problems with the hardware. I have SoFTPC on my external drive. Thinking that this may have caused some problems (yeah, I was fishing), I deinstalled it. But, nothing improved. Any ideas? Has anyone had similar problems? More importantly, has anyone corrected similar problems? Could there be some daemon which is start during bootup (and possibly relates to the DSP) which is not running properly and which eventually times out? I guess I am fishing, again. Thanks in advance for your help, Trevor Pokorney
From: Joe_Keenan@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DOS CD Driver for NeXT CD(-ROM DRIVE) ? Date: 4 Feb 1994 15:06:31 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ito9n$bau@rosie.next.com> References: <2is4c1$co3@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2is4c1$co3@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > > I think his questions are exactly about this. Where do we get MS-DOS drivers > to support NeXT CD-ROM drive (Sony 540)? MSCDEX.EXE are available via > ftp.microsoft.com, but that doesn't seem cover everything. Drive vendor is > supposed to bundle DOS driver but of course NeXT didn't give us one, and > we didn't need it at the time. > > But now, the drive is attached to a PC with DOS and NS partitions, > and naturally you want to use the drive from DOS as well as from NS. > Some CD-ROM disks may not be readable under one or the other OS'es, > but that's not a problem. He should check the drivers (for DOS) that came with whatever SCSI controller card he's using. That's all I needed to do. I took home a PLI external SCSI drive (same as the NeXT unit in a different case), and hooked it up to my old PC. I had to install the driver that came with my SCSI card (Always IN-2000), but nothing special for the drive itself. As I remember it (this was a while ago), I installed a driver for the controller card, then ran MSCDEX.EXE from the autoexec.bat file to do the drive mapping. Really folks, there's nothing special about the black drive itself. Joe Keenan NeXT Technical Support
From: gopher2@bcarh530.bnr.ca (Avril Morris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CDPlayer.app Date: 4 Feb 1994 17:33:36 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Sender: gopher2@bcarh530 (Avril Morris) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2iu0tg$r8r@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Does anyone know if the source to CDPlayer.app is availiable? I'd really like to add some features to it, but I had no luck digging around for the code. later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill || I will not do it, in my car, I will not speak || o/\_ BNR, Ottawa || for BNR. I would not, could not in a plane, I || <\__,\ 613 763 8146 || would not, could not on a train. I will not || "> | gopher2@bnr.ca || speak for BNR, I will not do it, Sam you are. || : |
From: rprice@reunion.umd.edu (Rodney Price) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TeX problem under NS 3.2 Date: 4 Feb 1994 19:05:21 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <2iu69h$gds@hecate.umd.edu> I just upgraded from NS 3.0 to NS 3.2, installed the TeX package included on the CDROM, and now I find that I can no longer run latex. Here is what happens: sachdev[200] latex sachdev.tex This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141 (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) The .fmt files live in /usr/lib/tex/formats, not /usr/lib/tex/macros, as the ntman.dvi file says, so I put in a soft link to make /usr/lib/tex/macros, to no avail. I'm stumped. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rod Price rprice@reunion.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) Subject: 3COM & NeXTStep Help?? Message-ID: <1994Feb3.175318.4355@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: 3COM, Networks, Installation Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 17:53:18 GMT I understand that the 3COM 3C509 is on the hardware compatibility guide for NS Intel but all that I have available to me is 3COM 3C507 ethernet cards. Does anyone know if this will work with NS Intel 3.2? Being with the government resources are extremely tight so this is about the only choice I have in ethernet cards for white hardware. Please let me know because I am trying to demonstrate the strengths of NeXTStep in the Intel world to my managers. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov <NeXTMail OK>
From: jeehye@umbc.edu (Jeehye Yun) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Printing to NeXT Printer Date: 4 Feb 1994 16:16:13 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2iudutINN6ic@umbc7.umbc.edu> We have a NeXT printer that some pc' need to print to using Novell NFS. Since the NeXT printer will shut down when it is not in use, the Novell print server thinks it is offline and backsup the queue. If we can keep the printer on all the time, the problem will not occur. Is there anyway to keep the printer in a powered-on state, so that Novell thinks that it is still on. I have checked the PrintManager, but I didn't see anything obvious. Since I don't read this group very often, please e-mail me. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeehye Yun jeehye@umbc.edu -- Jeehye Yun jeehye@umbc.edu Academic Computing Services University of Maryland Baltimore County
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TeX problem under NS 3.2 Date: 04 Feb 1994 22:10:32 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <SOWA.94Feb4141032@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <2iu69h$gds@hecate.umd.edu> In-reply-to: rprice@reunion.umd.edu's message of 4 Feb 1994 19:05:21 GMT >>>>> "Rod" == Rodney Price <rprice@reunion.umd.edu> writes: Rod> I just upgraded from NS 3.0 to NS 3.2, installed the TeX package Rod> included on the CDROM, and now I find that I can no longer run Rod> latex. Here is what happens: sachdev[200] latex sachdev.tex This is CTeX, NeXT Version 3.141 (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) This usually indicates that the latex.fmt file was built with an older version of TeX. You might have done this if, for example, you installed nfss latex. Are all your tex formats in /usr/lib/tex/formats or do you also have a /usr/local/lib/tex/formats? Find the formats directory that tex finds first (check for a TEXFORMATS environment variable), go there, and rebuild latex.fmt, e.g. something like: initex lplain \dump ln lplain.fmt latex.fmt Hope this helps, -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
From: tec@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next printing Mac postscript (trouble) Date: 4 Feb 1994 22:51:48 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2iuji4$i81@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2ip1c5$l8h@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <BYER.94Feb2195125@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> In article <BYER.94Feb2195125@birch.mv.us.adobe.com>, Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> wrote: >I highly recommend getting all of your Macs onto the same LaserWriter >version, which is at least at 8.1 (?). LaserWriter 8.0 was the >first to output transportable PostScript that could actually be >used. > Could you please tell me where (specific path) this is to be found? We've prowled around ftp.apple.com and have been unable to find anything quite like that. But, then, it doesn't appear to be separated out that way, so I assume we just don't know where to look. Thanks, Tim tec@alta.com
From: csmith@blackplague.gmu.edu (Christian Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next printing Mac postscript (trouble) Date: 5 Feb 1994 01:08:15 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <2iurhv$fsf@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2ip1c5$l8h@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <BYER.94Feb2195125@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> <2iuji4$i81@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timothy E. Cushing (tec@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: : In article <BYER.94Feb2195125@birch.mv.us.adobe.com>, : Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> wrote: : >I highly recommend getting all of your Macs onto the same LaserWriter : >version, which is at least at 8.1 (?). LaserWriter 8.0 was the : >first to output transportable PostScript that could actually be : >used. : Could you please tell me where (specific path) this is to be found? We've : prowled around ftp.apple.com and have been unable to find anything quite : like that. But, then, it doesn't appear to be separated out that way, so : I assume we just don't know where to look. ftp ftp.apple.com login: anonymous password: user@host cd /dts/mac/sys.soft/imaging/laserwriter.8.1 bin get laserwriter-8-1-image-1440.hqx - Christian Smith aka Blackplague PGP Public Key available by finger or request.
From: "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Who Maintains GatorFTP? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:27:13 -0500 Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8hIkE1O00iMFM2wUMC@andrew.cmu.edu> They don't put their email addresses in the Info... panel. I'd like to suggest a info field associated with each entry in the ftp site list. One's list of ftp sites can get real large so that one forgets what site is good for what. Moving the carriage-return hotkey to the Login button instead of the Add button would be nice, too. I'm using version 1.3.... I had a lot of bad luck with 1.4. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |Jeremy Mereness zonker+@cmu.edu | Support \ Ye Olde Disclaimer: | |Programmer/Analyst, FAST Laboratory| Free \ The above represents | |GSIA - Carnegie Mellon University | Software \ my opinions, alone.| |B.S.Mechanical Engineering, CMU'92 | NeXTMail Welcome\ Ya Gotta Love It.| | Every Silver Lining's Got a Touch of Grey | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mlnorman@flagstaff.Princeton.EDU (Michael Louis Norman) Subject: Intel motherboard question Message-ID: <1994Feb4.215254.20319@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:52:54 GMT Is there a FAQL? Where do I find it? If not, here is my question: I'm ready to take the NeXT step. So what do I need to do? I have: 16M RAM, 425M HDD, S3 video. I need: compliant (NEC?) CDROM, 486 motherboard. Question: Do I need anything else? What CDROM is best? Can I get a NeXT certified motherboard? I don't have $3k+ to spend on a "supported" vendor's machine. - Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yogi@csa.cs.technion.ac.il (Yossi Gil) Subject: Mouse Systems/Logitech mouse with NeXTStep 486? Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 05:58:28 GMT Message-ID: <yogi.760427908@csa> Sender: news@wang.com I am trying to use my NeXTStep with a mouse other than microsoft only to get the following problems: 1. Logitech mouse will cause the system to hang after few minutes of use. 2. The system doesn't respond to any Mouse-systems mouse moves. Ideas anyone? -- Joseph (Yossi) Gil yogi@TECHSEL.BITNET The Faculty of Computer Science yogi@cs.technion.ac.il Technion -- Israel Institute of Technology Tel: +972-4-29-4333 Technion City, Haifa 32000, Israel Fax: +972-4-29-4353
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: How does the Gecko 8-bit framebuffer work? Message-ID: <bchin.760377867@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> <2iqej1$an9@info.epfl.ch> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:04:27 GMT scheurer@lithnext.epfl.ch (Marco Scheurer) writes: >In article <2in050INNkln@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart >Ritchie) writes: >> So far I imagine the following system: the window server reads >> and writes 24-bit values per pixel to the frame buffer. On write, >> the hardware takes a 24-bit value and converts it into an 8-bit >> value using some mapping function and stores it into the VRAM. >We had a Gecko demo from HP yesterday. I think that Floyd-Sternberg >dithering (also known as error diffusion) is used to display 24-bit images >with 8-bit hardware. Could it be that their Color Recovery stuff is just >hardware assisted dithering? Maybe this combined with something else? I saw the Gecko running alpha NEXTSTEP/HP at the East Coast Developer's Conference. I asked the rep there a bunch of questions about the color recovery. From what I can understand, NEXTSTEP thinks it's working with a 24bit color display system. The window server writes 24 bit pixel information and the display hardware dithers it. He mentioned something about compression of the colors. Then, the information is piped to the display board and is uncompressed. He then mentioned something about color recovery algorithms - he said they get back about 22bits of color information and then it's displayed. >I asked the guy doing the demo to display a TIFF image (unfortunately not >one provided by me, and I don't know if it was a 24-bit image or not) and >then to zoom into it until each pixel was about 1 inch square. The color >of each square was not uniform, but a mix of two colors, that followed the >distinctive Floyd-Sternberg "pattern". The result was clearly different >from a blowup of a dithered image, where each pixel would be of uniform >color. I asked the rep where would we see problems with the display - his response was that users will see the most problems with pre-dithered images, like the gray area in scroll bars (notice it's a pattern of dots). However, even that didn't look bad (it was, also, a gorgeous 19" trinitron display). I pulled up a NEXTSTEP color panel and did a test - in the circle color picker (the first one on the left), I moved the brightness slider up and down slowly, looking for artifacts. On a 12bit dispay, one can see in the circle where each color is occupying chunks. On a 24bit display, it was all smooth. The gecko is really close to the 24bit display. We also pulled up 24bit images and the like - of course, they looked really good (but the eyes can be easily decieved on photographics like that - and that's the point, right?). >All in all, and whatever the method used, the display looked nice, and I >can live with it for most applications. I can hardly wait until I can see >NEXTSTEP on these stations, and check for instance how transparency looks. The display did look very good - probably better than 12 bit color for almost all situations. The rep was candid about wanting a true 24bit system for image editing - there isn't a 24bit color option for the Gecko - you'll have to buy a 715 for $7.5k more. He also said to look for replacements to the 715 line in the next 6 months. He did say that by using this technique, they save a lot of money on the machine and was therefore able to offer it at $4k. The machine was fast - but I didn't have many apps to work with to test it, and I didn't want to hog the machine. The other interesting thing is that they were running the demos on two 60mhz Gecko's with 64mb of RAM and diskless! I heard someone say that they had a NeXT serving as the network boot server. Anyway, if I didn't check Workspace preferences, I wouldn't have noticed it from the speed. -- Bill Chin - bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problems printing envelopes with NeXT printer. Date: 5 Feb 1994 15:30:55 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen Message-ID: <2j0aiv$pld@alf.uib.no> References: <2ipf1j$9hs@alf.uib.no> <BOOLB5WD@gwdu03.gwdg.de> In article <BOOLB5WD@gwdu03.gwdg.de>, Stephan Trebels <trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de> wrote: >Thor Legvold (edmtl@alf.uib.no) wrote: >> lying right in the middle of the bottom of the printer, under the >> toner cassette, with toner deposited correctly on the envelope. > >This happens indeed, if you try to print outside the paper/envelope >inserted. When toner would miss the paper, printing is stopped. You I'm not doing that. I used Edit (in RTF format) to make a layout that matched the envelope (i.e. tabs and returns until the name and address were centred). It printed perfectly - the envelope had toner (i.e. what I was printing - name + address) in exactly the middle as I defined, but the envelope wasn't being drawn through the printer - it would simply lie there, maybe the rollers didn't grab it? I then got "Paper jammed" message and had to use lpc to get everything up again. Simply correcting the jam did not help. Many have suggested slightly bending the leading edge (as it goes into the printer) of the envelope downwards slightly, I have not tried yet, but shal. Rather complicated if I shal print many enveloped, I think... >can either enter the correct measure in PageLayout yourself, or use >some App to generated envelopes. e.g there is Poste.app (not too >marvelous, but it works...) I do not think that page layout is problem - I have tried A4, Letter, and the actual envelope size. I think the problem is a mechanical weakness with the NeXT 400dpi printer. Maybe it's just because mine is new, and will work when it's broken in. > >\begin{quote} > Let me guess who wrote Poste.app... ;-) >\end{quote} > >Ciao, Stephan >-- >trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bpatters@nyx.cs.du.edu (Blake Patterson) Subject: Re: Black White and ???? Message-ID: <1994Feb5.173154.1280@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <CKLF71.s1@friday.com> <2ioqcs$hd7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 17:31:54 GMT >The suggestion has been made that Gecko's be green and Sun's yellow. >Of course, if NeXTstep *really* takes off, we'll run out of colors >eventually. (Well, I suppose we could start using the Pantone flip >cards ...) > >By the way, NeXT '030's are black too. Indeed...the first NeXT was 030-based (25MHz if I recall). I was wondering...does anyone know how the architecture of the i486DX2 compares with the 68040 as far as NS's multitasking goes?? Is one chip more "geared" towards m-tasking than the other? bp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bpatters@nyx.cs.du.edu (Blake Patterson) Subject: NeXTmail Message-ID: <1994Feb5.173950.1474@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 17:39:50 GMT Can "NeXTMail" be sent/recieved with the NS mail-read program (?) on a non-networked NeXT i486? That is, if 14.4 modem is the only "link" to other systems/Internet, can NeXTmail still be sent (w/ graphics, sound, etc.)? bp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anis@netcom.com (Anis Khwaja) Subject: Re: 3COM & NeXTStep Help?? Message-ID: <anisCKrpwt.B5n@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1994Feb3.175318.4355@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 20:22:04 GMT Oscar Brooks (obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov) wrote: : compatibility guide for NS Intel but all that I have : available to me is 3COM 3C507 ethernet cards. Does anyone : know if this will work with NS Intel 3.2? Being with the No it will not I also had a couple of those and had to get new cards. 3COMs are also very good performers in IPX networks but for IP Intels seem to be the choice. You will find even with all its buffering 507 to be quite mediocre in a TCP/IP network..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: Re: Removing NeXT Boot Manager Message-ID: <CKnuzF.FyK@microsoft.com> Organization: Microsoft Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 18:21:10 GMT References: <2ib6kt$cla@bantu.provo.novell.com> <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> In article <2ib6kt$cla@bantu.provo.novell.com> jgrant@stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM wrote: > In article <CK943D.KA9@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff > Henshaw) writes: > > I've used Novell DOS 6 to rewrite the master boot record. Actually, Jeff Henshaw never wrote the above statement. I've never used Novell DOS 6 before. This applies to both [identical] copies of the above article that were posted. -Jeff jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson.
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SUMMARY: NeXT printer and envelopes. Date: 6 Feb 1994 01:23:14 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen Message-ID: <2j1d9i$hcr@alf.uib.no> Thanks for all the suggestions. The basic consensus is that the NeXT printer does not handle envelopes well... Most suggested creasing the leading edge as much as possible to help, and to bend the leading edge slightly downwards, or corners slightly upwards. Well, nothing worked for me, untill I thought that by giving the printer more to grab onto it might work. By placing a piece of paper under the envelopes loose "top" (which is glued in place after you put a letter in, you see?) , and pushing the envelope into the printer with the paper (and the paper too!) the printer was fooled into thinking it was just a thick piece of paper, and it worked. Not elegant (I don't look forward to christmas cards now...) but effective. Thanks again for the suggestions. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: LaunchPad "timebomb" problems. Date: 6 Feb 1994 01:25:31 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen Message-ID: <2j1ddr$hgo@alf.uib.no> Perhaps I've missed something, but I thought LaunchPad was now public domain and free. I compiled a copy I ftp'd, after changing the reference to appkit/defaults.h, and it built O.K. When I ran it it said my license had expired! Is there a fix, or is this how it (a "free" program) is designed to work? Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
From: dgc@ccrwest.org (David G. Cantor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problems printing envelopes with NeXT printer. Date: 5 Feb 1994 16:58:12 -0800 Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research Message-ID: <2j1fb4$6ao@ccrwest.ccrwest.org> References: <2ipf1j$9hs@alf.uib.no> edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes: >I cannot seem to get envelopes to print. I am using standard A4 >business envelopes (measure 22cm by 11cm). Yes, I've read the manual. >And the FAQ. And NeXT Answers. >I've tried setting paper size to both LTR and A4 without any luck. >I have (so far) tried manual feed - I imagine that's the easiest to get >to work. It seems that the envelope isn't drawn beyond the toner >cartridge to the rollers that melt the toner - the envelope is left >lying right in the middle of the bottom of the printer, under the >toner cassette, with toner deposited correctly on the envelope. >Could someone who has solved this or similar problem, or who knows >how to fix this, please send me an e-mail? At the point where the envelope stops, it has to curve downward into the printer. Stiff paper and envelopes have trouble doing this. I have found that it helps to crease the front edge of the envelope so that it is very sharp and put a slight downward bend in the envelope before feeding. The bend seems to be removed by the printer as the envelope passes through. Also, make sure that your envelopes aren't too rigid. dgc David G. Cantor Center for Communications Research 4320 Westerra Court San Diego, CA 92121 dgc@ccrwest.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: DOS CD Driver for NeXT CD Message-ID: <1994Feb6.025425.28470@venice.sedd.trw.com> Originator: verket@verket-home Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <1994Feb3.004117.2335@bozell.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 02:54:25 GMT In article <1994Feb3.004117.2335@bozell.com> mhamrick@dallas.bozell.com(Matt Hamrick) writes: > ... > but I'm looking for the DOS CD Driver that will allow me to use my NeXT > CD-ROM drive while my machine is running DOS. ... Ahhh DOS, where you buy everything piecemeal and pray that it all works together! I've hooked up the NeXT CD to the SCSI interface on a Proaudio spectrum (using a homemade Proaudio to Centronics connector) using the driver that comes with the Proaudio. For other scsi interfaces, you could check your stores shelves for Corel's SCSI tools. The box says that it has all sorts of drivers for all sorts of SCSI cards. Note that I HAVEN'T tried them. Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
From: dtw07138@menudo.uh.edu (Dave) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cheapest video card for NS FIP ? Date: 5 Feb 1994 22:24:52 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2j1rek$b8u@menudo.uh.edu> Hi, I am in search of an inexpensive video card to get NS FIP running in my room. I really don't want to spend more than $200 if I can help it. but I am NOT going to run NS FIP in 2 bit grey scale! so I was wondering what the least expensive VLB card that will do 8 bit grey scale @ 800 X 600 or maybe even 16 bit color @ 800 X 600? will an ordinary cirrus 5428 VLB with 2 meg ram accomplish such a task? how about the WD90~ (something) or even a Tseng 4000/w32? the next-hardware-compatibility guide doesn't seem to be very helpful in this regard, so I was womdering if some guru on the net would know the answer to this question.??? (BTW. I do have 20 megs of RAM, so that shouldn't be a problem) Thanks for all your help!
From: lipton@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Jim Lipton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TeX Date: 6 Feb 1994 07:50:08 GMT Organization: Wesleyan University Sender: lipton@allegory.cs.wesleyan.edu Message-ID: <2j27fg$r32@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <1994Feb1.202800.3661@newshost.lanl.gov> I have NS/Intel 3.2 with a recent version of Next-Tex, and after hours of loading fonts from the ams and theory.doc.ic.uk have amslatex running. However I am having trouble with eufb_ and eufm_ fonts. I have loaded the corresponding .mf files in the place where metafont expects them, but get metafont errors: the system complains that it needs tfm fonts for them. Isn't MakeTeXPK and metafont supposed to generate them automatically? (I have the switches on for font generation during tex->dvi). How do I get tfm files that work for the next? I also get a lot of messages of the form " .... at magstem ... not found, scaling at ... instead... will generate poor output..." I actually do NOT get poor output, except in the case of eufm and eufb for fractur and gothic fonts, where I get black squares in the previewer and blanks on thye printed page. Anyone know what to do..? thanks, --Jim Lipton ===================================================================== Dept. of Mathematics, Wesleyan University, Middletown CT 06459-0128 (203) 347-9411 e-mail: jlipton@eagle.wesleyan.edu =====================================================================
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LaunchPad "timebomb" problems. Message-ID: <1481@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 6 Feb 94 07:29:55 GMT References: <2j1ddr$hgo@alf.uib.no> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Thor Legvold writes > Perhaps I've missed something, but I thought LaunchPad was now > public domain and free. I compiled a copy I ftp'd, after > changing the reference to appkit/defaults.h, and it built O.K. > > When I ran it it said my license had expired! Is there a fix, > or is this how it (a "free" program) is designed to work? Sorry about that. There is a file called "timebomb.h" in the source directory that has some constants for time bombs. I didn't look very carefully at it when I released it into the public domain. If you change: #define TIME_BOMB_VERSION 1 to: #define TIME_BOMB_VERSION 1 and recompile, you shouldn't have any problems. Can somebody with FTP access change the version out there on the net, wherever it is? Thanks, Glenn -- Glenn Reid glenn@rightbrain.com Woodside, California
From: vamp@beach.csulb.edu (VampLestat) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS 3.* compiled utilities for XMosaic? Date: 6 Feb 1994 13:39:04 GMT Organization: Me, organized? You gotta be kidding. Message-ID: <2j2rto$ho@garuda.csulb.edu> I've just managed to get XMosaic running on a cube running NS3.0. My knowldge of X is rather limited, and I was wondering if anyone had compiled an archive of NS3.* binaries of utilities for Mosaic like xv, etc... I checked the peanuts archive, and apparently the version of xv there will run under NS2.1, but not under 3.0. I'd appreciate it if someone could either make an archive of the utilities available for FTP or simply NeXTmail em to me and I'll post them to a site somewhere. -- _O_ Ryan L. Watkins "people need to be shocked" dan | vamp@csulb.edu "love never dies" dracula | finger vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu for pgp 2.3a public key
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Date: 5 Feb 1994 09:18:35 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jmazo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes: >I am looking for a computer system that would fit the following >specifications for the least amount of money, and would like the collective >wisdom of the net on the subject of acquiring (pointers to sellers would be >appreciated as well) a computer with the following attributes: >1). Pentium (with cache expandable or shipped at 256 K) Not necessary, because too expensive. It gives you a performance gain of about 25% (in comparison to a DX2/66) for twice the price. If you want to get a good performance-for-money ratio, Pentium is out of the question. If money is secondary, wait for a HP Gecko - at least twice the performance of a Pentium. >2). PCI bus (version 2.0) >3). 12 M RAM A joke, eh? 24 MB should be the minimum for any serious work with a PCI or even Pentium system. >4). Local Bus Video (with video card to support at least 1280 x 1024 x 8-bit >grayscale x 70 HZ refresh) Why a Local Bus if you have PCI? The ATI GUP PCI already works, some smart guys found out that it is only a minor patch to the driver source. The resolution you want is supported, but only at 60 Hz. Thus, I recommend 1120x832x8 bit at 68 Hz. The ATI is real fast at 8 bit grayscale. >5). 17 (or 19) inch grayscale monitor to mate with above OK. But I think it's not easy to find grayscale monitors. >6). 450 M hard drive (not necessarily very fast one), IDE or SCSI Forget IDE. >7). SCSI CD-ROM drive (w/SCSI controller) Talus' driver for the PCI onboard SCSI controller is supposed to be released soon. >8). 4 removable-media bays (I guess this means it is probably a tower or >mini-tower) >9). A reasonable fax-modem (fast, but not the "latest and greatest") ZyXEL. NXFax 1.04 will be released soon, too. >10). An ink jet printer (HP-style) >11). MOST IMPORTANTLY, I have to be able to run NeXTSTEP (however it is >spelled these days) on it. >12). The purchase will have to be made so that the system would arrive at >about March 10th so I have time to install NeXTSTEP before my finals. Regards, Markus. -- Marsu: "There really exist some people who live happily and satis- fied without computers." -- Frankie: "Oh no, they just emulate it!" ----- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Intel aside.
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Black White and ???? Date: 5 Feb 1994 09:32:37 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2ivlj5$12q@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <CKLF71.s1@friday.com> <2ioqcs$hd7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: >>> So, NeXT '040 hardware is "Black" >>> Intel hardware is "White" >>> What is the gecko? Gecko is "Cool" !!!! -- Marsu: "There really exist some people who live happily and satis- fied without computers." -- Frankie: "Oh no, they just emulate it!" ----- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Intel aside.
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Encryption? Date: 2 Feb 1994 09:59:43 -0600 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <2ioilf$d54@valinor.cubetech.com> References: <2iei7b$qv8@nova.umd.edu> In article <2iei7b$qv8@nova.umd.edu> ice@nova.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) writes: >Out of curiosity, what happened to the Encrypt/Decrypt services in >Mail.app, and the "For Your Eyes Only" application? Non trivially broken encryption systems are considered munitions by the state department and come under ITAR (international trafficking in arms regulations I think), so they cannot be exported from the US or given to foreign nationals and stuff like that. Although the sensitive code is bundleized, it would still be a major logistical and legal hassle for NeXT to sell it, and it doesn't jive with NeXT's greatest least common denominator thinking... Also, a company called Public Key Partners, which holds numerous patents concerning encryption, claims that one of their patents covers the very concept of public key encryption, so NeXT would have had to pay even more royalties... andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis pgp key fingerprint: 20 96 AA 28 A3 61 74 68 5B D1 B5 33 00 FA 15 B4
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Number of NSFIP Seats? Message-ID: <CKs4qD.HH8@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Summary: How many running NeXTSTEP-for-Intel systems in world? Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 01:42:13 GMT A week or so ago, I saw a posting saying that the original NeXTSTEP on NeXT Computers was capped at 50,000 (agrees with previous information I have been given, following NeXT discontinuing hardware) and that there were 8,000 NSFIP's out there, which I took to be a misprint, as I had been told that they sold 50,000 in 1993, so I guessed maybe 80,000 was the number, not 8,000. However, there has been no follow-up that *I* have seen. How many NSFIPs are operational? How many have been sold? How many are projected to be sold in what remains of 1994. If there really are only 8,000 working systems out there, it sounds like real trouble. Can someone who knows give us good estimates? Can we keep a thread going on this. It is of vital concern to all of us. david -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@trillium.ab.ca | (Albert Einstein)
From: jacobsen@arundel.doit.wisc.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LaunchPad "timebomb" problems. Date: 6 Feb 1994 16:38:44 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Message-ID: <2j36ek$66t@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <1481@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> In article <1481@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: -> Sorry about that. There is a file called "timebomb.h" in the source -> directory that has some constants for time bombs. I didn't look very -> carefully at it when I released it into the public domain. If you -> change: -> #define TIME_BOMB_VERSION 1 -> to: -> #define TIME_BOMB_VERSION 1 -> -> and recompile, you shouldn't have any problems. Can somebody with -> FTP access change the version out there on the net, wherever it is? -> -> Thanks, -> Glenn -> -> -- -> Glenn Reid glenn@rightbrain.com -> Woodside, California I think Glenn meant "#define TIME_BOMB_VERSION 0". That is what I did to mine when I received the license error and it has worked wonderfully ever since. Nice having the source to the program. Thank you for the app Glenn. Erik Jacobsen jacobsen@cae.wisc.edu
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sendmail: Mail->News (?) Date: 6 Feb 1994 18:12:17 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <2j3bu1$njs@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hello, Here's a question for any and all sendmail gurus out there. How do I edit my sendmail.cf file on NS3.2 to allow me to send mail to newsgroups? What additional programs do I need and where can I find them? I'm connected to the campus net via SLIP, and I can use the campus NNTP server to read and post news. If someone could perhaps send me a sendmail.cf file that has been edited to support mail->news conversion, with the appropriate changes highlighted, I would be a very happy individual. Thanks for all help! Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail? We can do NeXTMail!!! | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't write in Lisp. Only sissy `---- | programs contain more parentheses than actual code.
From: qiu@tree.egr.uh.edu (Feng ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: How do you choose video card for next/486 system Date: 6 Feb 1994 19:50:25 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <2j3hm1$92s@menudo.uh.edu> Hi, I have a 486/dx2-66 running nextstep3.2 with standard VGA. I'm getting tired of the big fonts from standard VGA driver. So I am thinking buying a video card. I have tried ATI Ultra Pro I think it is slow with 16-bit color also the price is not cheap. As for diamond viper VLB it claims much faster than ATI but no current support. I have to wait and see. Then the last choice, for the time being, might be 2-bit gray video card like Tseng Lab's VT4000 and STB's Horizon VLB. Did anyone over there who used 2-bit card ? Is it fast ( I can't tolerate slow displaying. I'd rather have much faster gray than a slow 16-bit color display)? Please tell me your opinions. Feng qiu@tree.egr.uh.edu
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LaunchPad "timebomb" problems. Message-ID: <1482@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 6 Feb 94 19:21:55 GMT References: <2j36ek$66t@news.doit.wisc.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com jacobsen@arundel.doit.wisc.edu writes > In article <1481@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) > writes: > -> change: > -> #define TIME_BOMB_VERSION 1 > -> to: > -> #define TIME_BOMB_VERSION 1 > I think Glenn meant "#define TIME_BOMB_VERSION 0". Yeah, that's what I meant :-) Thanks, Erik. I copied and pasted so I wouldn't make any typos on the rest of it, but then I forgot to change the 1 to a 0. Sigh. Thanks to all of you who caught it. I suppose that if it wasn't obvious that it should be a 0, then you probably shouldn't have a compiler on your system :-) -- Glenn Reid glenn@rightbrain.com Woodside, California
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: autolaunching CDPlayer? Date: 6 Feb 1994 20:45:32 GMT Organization: University of Florida Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j3ktcINNdei@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Hello, I know, I know, this has been discussed. Specifically this has been said (author unknown).... >This should definitely be in the FAQ. If I am correct, >three things are needed: > >1) root ownership and suid bit on > /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util >2) root ownership and suid bit on > /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer >3) public window server enabled in Preferences->Unix > >Also, some people seem to believe that the sound is >supposed to come out of the NeXT speakers. This is not >so. You need to plug headphones or speakers into the >CD-ROM drive itself. > >Hope this helps Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to help. On a new intel machine with NS pre-installed these three requirements are met, but it still doesn't autolaunch. We even logged out and logged back in to make sure that the public window server took affect (although it wasn't really necessary). Are these the requirements correct? Could there be something else that we might be missing? All help is greatly appreciated. Thank you very much -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group
From: gof@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gerald Fountain) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Date: 6 Feb 1994 20:41:48 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2j3kmc$h57@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Just a few comments :-) In article <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org>, Markus Wenzel <mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org> wrote: >jmazo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes: > >>I am looking for a computer system that would fit the following >>specifications for the least amount of money, and would like the collective ^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ <Soap-box time -- Too much time working as a consultant ;-} > Note the underlying requirement. COST. This combined with the need to run NeXT-Step are the primary requirements. This is A Good Thing(TM) as the buyer is using the proper order in which to shop for a computer. First find the software you want/need to run. If it is only on one platform, you should buy that platform, be it a Mac, PC, or Timex Sinclair :-) Next you set the amount of money you can spend. Not set the hardware you "want." This is because, like buying anything, the incremental costs *always* add up. This is how car dealerships make their money (the extra's). It is very true in the computer market. Oh, I'll just get the 17" monitor over the 15", or I'll get the 420MB hard drive instead of the 350 and so on. Pick your price, then pick the hardware. Obviously you must adjust what you buy to what software you want to run. The underlying fact is that it is software which does the job, not the hardware. Sadly I have been called into offices only to tell them that the expen$ive new hardware joe computer salesman sold them will *not* do what they wanted and that they must a) change their method of work (bad) or b) get different hardware. <end of soap-box> >>wisdom of the net on the subject of acquiring (pointers to sellers would be >>appreciated as well) a computer with the following attributes: > >>1). Pentium (with cache expandable or shipped at 256 K) >Not necessary, because too expensive. It gives you a performance gain of >about 25% (in comparison to a DX2/66) for twice the price. If you want to >get a good performance-for-money ratio, Pentium is out of the question. >If money is secondary, wait for a HP Gecko - at least twice the performance of >a Pentium. The added cost of the Pentium is *not* double. True, the chip itself is roughly double that of the 486/66, but the *system* cost only increases slightly, say 25%, which is about *your* estimate of the performance increase. If the user is going to do lots of floating point, the performance gain will be significantly higher. >>2). PCI bus (version 2.0) >>3). 12 M RAM >A joke, eh? 24 MB should be the minimum for any serious work with a PCI >or even Pentium system. How much memory you purchase should be based both on software requiremnts (see above) and possible expansion. Memory requirements for NeXT-Step probably factor into both the windowing system, swap, etc. If you buy a nice system but cripple it by having too little memory, you will run *much* slower than a lesser machine with more memory. Remember the fact that a memory access is on the order of 1,000-10,000 times faster than having to swap from disk! But also look to the future. Buy 4Mb based simms (ie, 4 Mega bit chips) rather than 1Mb simms. This way you will not lose your 1MB simms if you upgrade and need more simm slots. It may cost 10% more today, but it will save you more later. Also as a personal preference, given the choice of parity or no-parity memory, get the parity. If you want to know why e-mail me as it is a somewhat lengthy story. Just be advised that some companies are selling systems at a slightly lower cost because they are not using parity checked memory. >>4). Local Bus Video (with video card to support at least 1280 x 1024 x 8-bit >>grayscale x 70 HZ refresh) >Why a Local Bus if you have PCI? The ATI GUP PCI already works, some smart >guys found out that it is only a minor patch to the driver source. >The resolution you want is supported, but only at 60 Hz. Thus, I recommend >1120x832x8 bit at 68 Hz. The ATI is real fast at 8 bit grayscale. Point of clarification: PCI is a "local bus" type. There are two competing standards. VESA (which will do 64-bit memory in rev 2.0) and PCI (Intel). There are pro's and con's to each type, but until VESA 2.0 is available, PCI is the only comfortable choice for a Pentium system. *But*, if I could wait, I would wait for the fixed PCI chipsets to be released which support the writeback mode properly. > >>5). 17 (or 19) inch grayscale monitor to mate with above >OK. But I think it's not easy to find grayscale monitors. > >>6). 450 M hard drive (not necessarily very fast one), IDE or SCSI >Forget IDE. Tsk, Tsk. COST is a factor. For now IDE might be a viable choice as the cost of the controller is significantly less. But since we are also looking for a SCSI CD-ROM (higher cost but a better choice IMHO), the added cost of the SCSI controller is justified. IDE drives are fast, and the data transfer rate can be *very* good off of a decent local bus (PCI/VESA) card. Just make sure whatever SCSI adapter you get is supported directly by NeXT-Step and has all the drivers you need to support the CD-ROM you select. Do not underestimate the speed of a drive. In a unix type environment (like NeXT-Step), the speed of a drive can be very apparent. When you *do* swap (and you will), access time and transfer rate become significant and noticeable. > >>7). SCSI CD-ROM drive (w/SCSI controller) >Talus' driver for the PCI onboard SCSI controller is supposed to be released >soon. I would suggest a double speed drive. There are several SCSI types at a reasonable cost. The cost increment from a "single" speed drive is acceptably low considering the speed inprovement. > >>8). 4 removable-media bays (I guess this means it is probably a tower or >>mini-tower) Most mini-towers support two or three 5 1/4" (half-height) external bays and two 3 1/2" external bays. Full towers often have the same external offerings and add a few more additional internal bays. >>9). A reasonable fax-modem (fast, but not the "latest and greatest") >ZyXEL. NXFax 1.04 will be released soon, too. Take a look at the US-Robotics 14.4/FAX Sportster line. Fast and cheap. The latest ads I have seen have it for about $169 for the external model! (and about $159 for the internal). Remember, for an external modem running at high rates to make sure your serial card uses a 16550 UART chip. >>10). An ink jet printer (HP-style) I like the HP 500 model a lot. Reliable, and widely supported. (as a side note, it also supports enough of the LaserJet commands for use in very old programs without DeskJet support). The Cannon is a little cheaper, but I don't think it is as widely supported. (You are not running Windows so printer support will be an issue). >>11). MOST IMPORTANTLY, I have to be able to run NeXTSTEP (however it is >>spelled these days) on it. >>12). The purchase will have to be made so that the system would arrive at >>about March 10th so I have time to install NeXTSTEP before my finals. > >Regards, >Markus. Jerry -- Jerry Fountain | Laboratory for Fluid Mechanics, Chaos, and Mixing gof@bart.chem-eng.nwu.edu | Northwestern University (708) 491-3555 (Office) | Department of Chemical Engineering (708) 491-3728 (FAX) | 2145 Sheridan Road, Evanston, IL 60208
From: bestor@cs.wisc.edu (Gareth S. Bestor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Metaresearch email address? Date: 6 Feb 1994 21:15:03 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j3mkn$crd@news.doit.wisc.edu> Does anybody know the email address of Metaresearch. They make/made Digital Ears and Digital Eyes for the NeXT DSP port. Thanks in advance, - Gareth reply to bestor@cs.wisc.edu
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Date: 6 Feb 1994 21:27:52 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2j3nco$hu7@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <2j3kmc$h57@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article <2j3kmc$h57@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Gerald Fountain <gof@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wrote: >Just a few comments :-) > >In article <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org>, >Markus Wenzel <mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org> wrote: >>jmazo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes: >> >>>I am looking for a computer system that would fit the following >>>specifications for the least amount of money, and would like the >>>collective [Misc general excellant advice deleted] >> >>>1). Pentium (with cache expandable or shipped at 256 K) >>Not necessary, because too expensive. It gives you a performance gain of >>about 25% (in comparison to a DX2/66) for twice the price. If you want to >>get a good performance-for-money ratio, Pentium is out of the question. >>If money is secondary, wait for a HP Gecko - at least twice the performance of >>a Pentium. >The added cost of the Pentium is *not* double. True, the chip itself is >roughly double that of the 486/66, but the *system* cost only increases >slightly, say 25%, which is about *your* estimate of the performance >increase. If the user is going to do lots of floating point, the performance >gain will be significantly higher. NextStep uses ALOT of Floating Pt. The display postscript makes FP a requirement. The larger cache makes sense for NS. I know that some PC rags have said that extra 2nd level cache doesn't add much performace, but I think this is applicable only to Dos/Windows. This a fully multitasking enviornment and at any given time 20-30 programs are active and would be hindered by inadequate cache. > >>>2). PCI bus (version 2.0) >>>3). 12 M RAM >>A joke, eh? 24 MB should be the minimum for any serious work with a PCI >>or even Pentium system. > >How much memory you purchase should be based both on software requiremnts >(see above) and possible expansion. Memory requirements for NeXT-Step >probably factor into both the windowing system, swap, etc. If you buy a nice >system but cripple it by having too little memory, you will run *much* >slower than a lesser machine with more memory. Remember the fact that a >memory access is on the order of 1,000-10,000 times faster than having to >swap from disk! > For a Black+White system 12 Mb is should be adequate for the typical mix of Applications. I'd suggest 16mb, but then again I use only 16mb for my color system. The VM and swapping system is pretty robust even under rather severe overloads of available ram. >But also look to the future. Buy 4Mb based simms (ie, 4 Mega bit chips) >rather than 1Mb simms. This way you will not lose your 1MB simms if you >upgrade and need more simm slots. It may cost 10% more today, but it will >save you more later. Also as a personal preference, given the choice of >parity or no-parity memory, get the parity. If you want to know why e-mail >me as it is a somewhat lengthy story. Just be advised that some companies >are selling systems at a slightly lower cost because they are not using >parity checked memory. > The advice is quite valid but memory densities have already passed another generation. My recent experience is that you should by 16MB simms. Most recent systems only have 4 slots, so the ONW is probably going to get 4MB simms anyway. The next 4Mb would fill these slots and then he'd have to take out 4mb for every 16mb simm he inserted :-( >>>5). 17 (or 19) inch grayscale monitor to mate with above >>OK. But I think it's not easy to find grayscale monitors. >> >>>6). 450 M hard drive (not necessarily very fast one), IDE or SCSI >>Forget IDE. >Tsk, Tsk. COST is a factor. For now IDE might be a viable choice as the >cost of the controller is significantly less. But since we are also looking >for a SCSI CD-ROM (higher cost but a better choice IMHO), the added cost of >the SCSI controller is justified. IDE drives are fast, and the data transfer >rate can be *very* good off of a decent local bus (PCI/VESA) card. Just make >sure whatever SCSI adapter you get is supported directly by NeXT-Step and >has all the drivers you need to support the CD-ROM you select. > >Do not underestimate the speed of a drive. In a unix type environment (like >NeXT-Step), the speed of a drive can be very apparent. When you *do* swap >(and you will), access time and transfer rate become significant and >noticeable. > SCSI performance (ISA controller Adaptec 1542) is almost twice the IDE-local bus on my system. But the IDE is generally just as fast as our Nextstations. There's limit of two drives on the typical IDE interface, with the SCSI being more flexible in this regard. Perhaps I need a better IDE card, but I've already decided to go to SCSI myself. >>>9). A reasonable fax-modem (fast, but not the "latest and greatest") >>ZyXEL. NXFax 1.04 will be released soon, too. > >Take a look at the US-Robotics 14.4/FAX Sportster line. Fast and cheap. The >latest ads I have seen have it for about $169 for the external model! (and >about $159 for the internal). Remember, for an external modem running at >high rates to make sure your serial card uses a 16550 UART chip. The Next is currently rather picky as to which cards it supports for FAX. Until NXFax comes out, I'd defer this part of the purchase if fax is a critical use. Of course 28.8k modems will probably be common by summer (I hope). -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: More on Envelope printing (SUMMARY INFO) Date: 6 Feb 1994 22:41:34 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen Message-ID: <2j3o6e$lt3@alf.uib.no> Just to let everyone know, most seem to have misunderstood what I originally posted. The envelopes _are_ fed _into_ the printer without problem, drawn by the rollers under the toner, and get toner applied correctly (i.e. what I printed out :-). The problem is/was that the next set of rollers don't grab the envelope - whcih has now passed the thin wire array and is lying in the bottom just before the rollers which fuse the toner. There are (at least) two set rollers - input/feed rollers and output/fusing rollers. It seems (my hypothesis) that my envelopes are too "thin" (they measure 22cm by 11cm - 11cm is not "wide" enough) and when released by the input rollers hasn't gotten far enough for the output rollers to catch it. By placing a sheet of paper under the envelope, held fast by the envelopes "cover", the input rollers can keep pushing the envelope far enough for the output rollers to grab it and pull the entire mess through. A crude ASCII view from the side - the envelope is at front (left) with print surface up, and the cover is laid flat with a piece of paper in the crease. I fed the whole thing into the printer and it worked. ( I know the crease isn't square - sorry) ----------- | ------------------------------------------- ----- Well, my hypothesis, I don't know if it's true. Just to clear up the problem :-) Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
From: gof@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gerald Fountain) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Date: 6 Feb 1994 22:27:42 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2j3qsu$j3k@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <2j3kmc$h57@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2j3nco$hu7@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article <2j3nco$hu7@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Jerry Weiss <jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wrote: >In article <2j3kmc$h57@news.acns.nwu.edu>, >Gerald Fountain <gof@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wrote: >>But also look to the future. Buy 4Mb based simms (ie, 4 Mega bit chips) >>rather than 1Mb simms. This way you will not lose your 1MB simms if you >>upgrade and need more simm slots. It may cost 10% more today, but it will >>save you more later. Also as a personal preference, given the choice of >>parity or no-parity memory, get the parity. If you want to know why e-mail >>me as it is a somewhat lengthy story. Just be advised that some companies >>are selling systems at a slightly lower cost because they are not using >>parity checked memory. >> > >The advice is quite valid but memory densities have already passed another >generation. My recent experience is that you should by 16MB simms. Most >recent systems only have 4 slots, so the ONW is probably going to get 4MB >simms anyway. The next 4Mb would fill these slots and then he'd have to >take out 4mb for every 16mb simm he inserted :-( True, but the incremental cost of using 16Mb simms is still pretty high. The cost benefit can be minimal of the current premium for the higher density is too high. Jerry -- Jerry Fountain | Laboratory for Fluid Mechanics, Chaos, and Mixing gof@bart.chem-eng.nwu.edu | Northwestern University (708) 491-3555 (Office) | Department of Chemical Engineering (708) 491-3728 (FAX) | 2145 Sheridan Road, Evanston, IL 60208
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Capturing Color screens on Mono black hardware Date: 6 Feb 1994 23:42:32 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <2j3v98$mcl@hpscit.sc.hp.com> I was wondering if there's a way to capture color screens using NEXTSTEP with black mono hardware. Could I force my Cube running NS3.2 to "display" in color and capture a screen in color? Thanks, Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street M/S 20BJ Corporate Financial Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304-1112 USA Core Application Technologies 1.415.857.3230 Fax 1.415.852.8026
From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Date: 07 Feb 1994 00:35:34 GMT Organization: Department of Biological Sciences, Stanford University Message-ID: <MAGNUS.94Feb6163534@fisher.Stanford.EDU> References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <2j3kmc$h57@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2j3nco$hu7@news.acns.nwu.edu> In-reply-to: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu's message of 6 Feb 1994 21:27:52 GMT In article <2j3nco$hu7@news.acns.nwu.edu> jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > For a Black+White system 12 Mb is should be adequate for the typical mix > of Applications. I'd suggest 16mb, but then again I use only 16mb for > my color system. The VM and swapping system is pretty robust even under > rather severe overloads of available ram. I beg to differ. My personal Mono station has 32 MB and I have to reboot it every other day. When using Mathematica, I reboot it several times per day. The other NeXTs (all Mono so far) in the lab have between 16 and 24 MB and they need constant rebooting even under low usage. This is not to say that some people could not get by with less, but I must agree with the original poster that it is a waste of money not to have sufficient memory (case in point: my personal 25 MHz station is faster than the lab Turbo's for my work because I reduce them to constant swapping with practically any job). My next machine (Gecko or Pentium) will have 128 MB RAM... -- Magnus Nordborg magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail welcome) Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-5020 +1 (415) 723-4952 (office)
From: emt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Michael Taleff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Date: 7 Feb 1994 02:42:10 GMT Organization: Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Message-ID: <2j49q2$122@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2j3kmc$h57@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2j3nco$hu7@news.acns.nwu.edu> <MAGNUS.94Feb6163534@fisher.Stanford.EDU> In article <MAGNUS.94Feb6163534@fisher.Stanford.EDU>, Magnus Nordborg <magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU> wrote: >In article <2j3nco$hu7@news.acns.nwu.edu> jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > >> For a Black+White system 12 Mb is should be adequate for the typical mix >> of Applications. I'd suggest 16mb, but then again I use only 16mb for >> my color system. The VM and swapping system is pretty robust even under >> rather severe overloads of available ram. > >I beg to differ. My personal Mono station has 32 MB and I have to >reboot it every other day. When using Mathematica, I reboot it >several times per day. The other NeXTs (all Mono so far) in the lab >have between 16 and 24 MB and they need constant rebooting even under >low usage. > ****Stuff Deleted********* I used to have this problem, but it had to do with System 3.0? and earlier versions handling of the swap space, ie. they allowed it to grow without bound. System 3.1 does not allow that to happen according to my experience of several months with it (on 25MHz NeXTstation). When I was running earlier versions I too had to reboot to regain hard drive space taken up by the bloated swap, and MMA is especially bad at filling the swap. I believe that this was a common experience for other users. I don't know about non-NeXT hardware though. A curious thing happens with MMA now though. Instead of the swap growing with MMA, after running some models for a while MMA will get killed. I suspect that this behavior is related to the OS telling MMA that it can't have anymore swap.?? I'm running MMA 2.0, which is about three years old now. I haven't enlisted in the Wolfram upgrade program due to it's prohibitive cost. But, if anyone knows that newer MMA versions fix this and knows of a way to get a cheap or preferably free upgrade I'd be grateful of any info. Eric #####NoSigIsGoodSig####################################################
From: doroin@cobber.cord.edu (Jonathan Doroin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q]: Can NEXTSTEP's kernel be configured for SMP intels Date: 6 Feb 1994 18:02:56 -0600 Organization: Concordia College, Moorhead Minnesota Distribution: na Message-ID: <2j40fg$fdl@cobber.cord.edu> As the subject says, I am wondering if NS/fip's mach kernel can be configured for a multiprocessor system. -- Jonathan A. Doroin doroin@cobber.cord.edu doroin@wonka.cord.edu (NeXTmail)
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Date: 7 Feb 1994 03:01:37 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j4auh$m2r@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <MAGNUS.94Feb6163534@fisher.Stanford.EDU> magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: >jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > > For a Black+White system 12 Mb is should be adequate for the typical mix > > of Applications. I'd suggest 16mb, but then again I use only 16mb for > > my color system. The VM and swapping system is pretty robust even under > > rather severe overloads of available ram. > > I beg to differ. My personal Mono station has 32 MB and I have to > reboot it every other day. When using Mathematica, I reboot it > several times per day. The other NeXTs (all Mono so far) in the lab > have between 16 and 24 MB and they need constant rebooting even under > low usage. It really depends on what you are doing, and what release of NS you are running. I certainly would recommend 16-20meg for a greyscale system, but how often you reboot depends on what you are doing and how much free disk space you have. As for reboots, I have two greyscale stations. One has 20meg and is home, which means I'm rebooting it simply because I need to power it down every day. The one in my office has 32meg, and has a few users who telnet into it (as well as me on the console). The average time between reboots on that system is over 40 days. Right now it's closing in on 100 straight days (it's 98 days, 8 hours and 28 minutes -- but who's counting...). I've experienced problems when playing with 24-bit color images, of course, which is why my color NeXTstation is up at 48meg (it also has other users who telnetting into it while I'm using it at the console). And I can believe that heavy Mathematica use would want lots of VM. Not everyone needs to load up their machine with VM just to get reasonable performance though. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Number of NSFIP Seats? Message-ID: <1994Feb7.035659.18131@cs.yale.edu> Date: 7 Feb 94 03:56:59 GMT References: <CKs4qD.HH8@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT In article <CKs4qD.HH8@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) writes: > A week or so ago, I saw a posting saying that the original NeXTSTEP on > NeXT Computers was capped at 50,000 (agrees with previous information > I have been given, following NeXT discontinuing hardware) and that there > were 8,000 NSFIP's out there, which I took to be a misprint, as I had > been told that they sold 50,000 in 1993, so I guessed maybe 80,000 was > the number, not 8,000. At the Dev Conf Steve Jobs reported 40-50K units sold in the second half of 1993, with $11 million income. Why there is a 10K margin of error in those figures, I do not know. That would seem to bring the total NEXTSTEP seats to about 80K. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Feb6125738@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: 6 Feb 94 17:57:38 GMT References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University In-Reply-To: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org's message of 5 Feb 1994 09:18:35 +0100 To: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Originator: news@nimaster In article <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: jmazo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes: >I am looking for a computer system that would fit the following >specifications for the least amount of money, and would like the collective >wisdom of the net on the subject of acquiring (pointers to sellers would be >appreciated as well) a computer with the following attributes: >1). Pentium (with cache expandable or shipped at 256 K) Not necessary, because too expensive. It gives you a performance gain of about 25% (in comparison to a DX2/66) for twice the price. Not according to the benchmarks I've seen. A 60 MHz Pentium runs code optimized for a 486 about 70% faster and code optimized for a Pentium about 100% faster than a DX2/66. This is a rather meager performance increase for a CPU upgrade, but not even Intel would dare to put out a CPU which is only 25% faster than the last one. If you want to get a good performance-for-money ratio, Pentium is out of the question. If money is secondary, wait for a HP Gecko - at least twice the performance of a Pentium. Not according to the numbers quoted from Open Systems Today here recently. A 66 MHz Pentium has an integer performance (which is what you care about mostly unless you do scientific simulations) of 67 SPECint92, just in the middle between the low-end 712/60 at 58 SPECint92 and the high-end 712/80 at 84 SPECint92. If you have reliable numbers which say otherwise, I'd be genuinely grateful if you let me know as I'm in the process of deciding between a Pentium and a Gecko and performance is very important to me. But as it seems right now, integer performance is a toss-up between the two of them and almost all other indications point to the Pentium, so I'm leaning in that direction. Carl Edman
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 6 Feb 1994 23:40:06 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2j4gn6$909@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. 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To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO <your-address> If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
From: jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (David Jeske) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSFIP Mouse Movement Query Date: 7 Feb 1994 04:50:56 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2j4hbg$ssm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I know this may be a topic which has already been rehashed on these groups, so forgive my ignorance. I have been using NS for over 3 years now, and I've had NSFIP on this machine since 3.0 was released last May. I am finally fed up with the poor jagged mouse movements. There must be something which can be done about this. EVery other GUI environment on the planet does not have this problem. The NeXT people at NW claimed it was something having to do with the PC hardware, but tons of GUIs on PCs do not have this problem with mice. I get a hand cramp every time I have to use the mouse to actually do a good deal of pointing under NSFIP... this is terrible. So, 1) why is the mouse so jagged under NSFIP? 2) where is the code which causes this annoying side effect? (is it in some driver?? (fixable) or in code which is only fixable by NeXT?? -- David Jeske(N9LCA)/CompEng Student at Univ of Ill at Cham-Urbana/NeXT Programmer CoCreator of the GTalk Chat Software System - online at (708)998-0008 Mail: jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu NeXTMail: jeske@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scp@sonia.math.ucla.edu (S. Port) Subject: no. of os Message-ID: <1994Feb7.070544.7812@math.ucla.edu> Sender: news@math.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department Distribution: na Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 07:05:44 GMT After several heated discussions I have a semi-trivial question concerning installed base of various operating systems. Can anyone post figures on installed base of NeXT (black) ~50,000 Next (white) ~40-50,000 UNIX (all kinds) DOS MAC Plus how you would measure this. Charlie Dvorak
From: oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu (Kurt Oldenburg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Big login problem! Date: 7 Feb 1994 09:57:13 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2j539p$ncn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> While I was recently trying to get our cube working a large part of the system files were accidentally deleted. It wouldn't boot from the hard drive, so I had to use a backup on a floptical of version 2. I couldn't get anything to work so I decided to rebuild the hard drive from version 2 since I wouldn't be losing anything and then redo the update to version 3. Since I rebuilt the hard drive there is no login prompt after I start the computer and it automatically comes up as the user me. I can't do the upgrade because in order to install the CD-ROM tools you have to be logged in as root (which I can't seem to do) I can superuser for other things (like the User Manager) but I can't get a login screen. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Kurt Oldenburg | "I can't remember anything | Can't tell if this is true or dream | Deep down inside I feel to scream oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu | This terrible silence stops me..." --Metallica
From: otto@coactive.com (Otto Lind) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sendmail: Mail->News (?) Date: 7 Feb 1994 00:09:07 GMT Organization: Coactive Aesthetics Inc. Message-ID: <2j40r3INN399@disc.coactive.com> References: <2j3bu1$njs@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Joseph W Reiss (jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote: : Here's a question for any and all sendmail gurus out there. How do I : edit my sendmail.cf file on NS3.2 to allow me to send mail to : newsgroups? What additional programs do I need and where can I find : them? You don't need to edit your sendmail.cf, just add a mail alias for transferring the mail into news. The following is an example alias of how we use it here: coactive_foo: "|/usr/local/news/bin/mailnews coactive.foo" The "mailnews" program is a simple filter I wrote to clean up the header a bit before sending it to news: ----- mailnews cut here ----- #!/bin/sh # # usage: mailnews news_group # INFILE=/tmp/in$$ cat >$INFILE SUBJECT=`egrep "Subject:" $INFILE | /usr/ucb/head -1 | sed -e 's/Subject://'` cat $INFILE | egrep -v "^Received:|^ id [A-Z][A-Z]*|^Errors-To:" | /usr/local/news/inews -S -n $1 -t "$SUBJECT" rm -f $INFILE ----- mailnews cut here ----- It is written for the inews program supplied by inn, you may need to change things for your news server. You may also want to enhance it to straighten out the From: field, etc. (we didn't care about that). Hope this helps, Otto -- Otto Lind Coactive Aesthetics otto@coactive.com P.O. Box 425967, San Francisco, CA 94142 netcom!coactive!otto voice:(415)626-5152 fax:(415)626-6320
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSI 3.2 on Pentium? Date: 7 Feb 1994 15:53:49 GMT Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j5o6d$49t@netnews.upenn.edu> Hi, I want to run NeXTStep on a pentium pc, but very few pentium machines have been certified (according to the Hardware Compatability Guide). Can anyone out there report success stories/ horror stories? Also, what are the performnce gains for NSI on penttium over the 486? Has NSI been optimized at all for the pentium? Any info much appreciated. Thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Gecko? Date: 7 Feb 1994 16:20:14 GMT Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j5pnu$631@netnews.upenn.edu> Hi, I'm shopping around for a new NextStep machine, and have heard references to a Gecko, but have no idea what it is. Can anyone provide architecture, performance, and likely pricing and availability for the Gecko? Is anyone beta testing these guys with NS 3.2. Any clues apprecaited. Thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Capturing Color screens on Mono black hardware Date: 7 Feb 1994 16:18:18 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j5pka$fi5@rosie.next.com> References: <2j3v98$mcl@hpscit.sc.hp.com> In article <2j3v98$mcl@hpscit.sc.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: > I was wondering if there's a way to capture color screens using > NEXTSTEP with black mono hardware. Could I force my Cube running > NS3.2 to "display" in color and capture a screen in color? There is a way that works only if you are grabbing windows, not the whole screen or selections. To grab windows in color on a monochrome screen, you have to fool both the app you are trying to grab and Grab to think they are on color machines. Normally the NXWindowDepthLimit default would let you change the depth limit; however, this default doesn't let you go deeper than the actual screen (for very good reasons). To get around this, prepend the word "Test" to the depth limit when running the app: yourappname.app/yourappname -NXWindowDepthLimit TestTwentyFourBitRGB & This will make the app think it's on a 24 bit screen, and all its window backing stores will be 24 bits. You also have to run Grab this way: /NextApps/Grab.app/Grab -NXWindowDepthLimit TestTwentyFourBitRGB & At this point window grabs will be 24 bits (provided the window you are capturing had enough color to make it become 24 bits; after all, the lazy window depth promotion still works!). One word of warning: An application run with this default on will run slower and use a lot more memory. I recommend launching the application with this default set explicitly on the command line, rather than doing a dwrite --- folks have a tendency to forget about disabling dwrites, and in this case the results will be bad. There's no reason why a user should ever an app this way under normal circumstances... Secondly, this way to capture color screens on a mono machine isn't a "user-feature" in any way; it's something that happens to work under 3.0... Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com
From: ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Cube SCSI termination power ? Date: 7 Feb 1994 17:00:44 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2j5s3s$1m6@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some things I always wanted to know about Cubes and SCSI : Does the NeXT Cube 68040 motherboard provide SCSI termination power ? Or should one other SCSI device provide that (like in some Macs) ? How is SCSI termination supposed to be set up anyway ? Simple configuration : Cube with internal HD, no external SCSI device. So both internal HD and SCSI controller on the motherboard should be terminated, as they are at the ends of the SCSI bus. Now I plug in an external device. It has to be terminated, because it is at the end of the chain. But how do I remove the termination from the Cube's motherboard ? Or does this happen automagically, when I plug in the external device ? Thanks for any info, Ernst. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ernst Kloecker phone: ++49-30-6181635 e-mail: ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: laurent@planon.qc.ca (Laurent Daudelin) Subject: Help: unable to extract LaunchPad! Message-ID: <1994Feb7.152326.2175@planon.qc.ca> Sender: laurent@planon.qc.ca Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 15:23:26 GMT Hi! I tried this morning to extract the stuff in the file "LaunchPad.tar.Z" that I got from cs.orst.edu. I was able to successfully decompress it, but, when I tried to "untar" it from the Workspace, I only got an error message in the console, telling me: /usr/bin/gnutar: Hmm, this doesn't look like a tar archive. /usr/bin/gnutar: Skipping to next file header... I tried again to ftp it, and same result. What's the problem? Is the archive "LaunchPad.tar.Z" at cs.orst.edu corrupted? Any info, pointer, help appreciated! Thanks in advance. Laurent. -- ****************************************************************************** Laurent Daudelin, Software Engineer Planon TELEXPERTISE Inc., Boucherville, Quebec, CANADA laurent@planon.qc.ca <-- NeXTMail welcome! (Mac Mail welcome too!)
From: zhao@crl.nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DPT 2021 for NS/I 3.1 Date: 7 Feb 94 10:53:19 Organization: Computing Research Lab Message-ID: <ZHAO.94Feb7105319@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu> Has anybody in the net made DPT 2021 ISA/SCSI controller work with NeXTSTEP/Intel 3.1? DPT technical support says: it would not work with 3.1. NeXTanswers says: [document #1476, 1476_DPT_2021_ISA_SCSI_Controller.rtfd] Release 3.2 NeXT has tested a DPT 2021 with BIOS revisions 2.A, 2.B, and 2.C and firmware revisions 5A.0, 5B.0, and 5C.0. Release 3.1 Contact DPT to obtain the firmware revision required for the DPT 2011 to work under NEXTSTEP Release 3.1. Known Problems: * NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 requires a special firmware upgrade that can be obtained from DPT. :-( I am confused. Regards, ZiZi
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Capturing Color screens on Mono black hardware Date: 7 Feb 1994 19:51:42 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j664e$hko@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <2j3v98$mcl@hpscit.sc.hp.com> <2j5pka$fi5@rosie.next.com> In article <2j5pka$fi5@rosie.next.com>, Ali Ozer <Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com> wrote: >There is a way that works only if you are grabbing windows, not >the whole screen or selections. > [...] > yourappname.app/yourappname -NXWindowDepthLimit TestTwentyFourBitRGB & > [...] Ali, Thanks for the info--way cool. Hmm, you said that it won't work for the whole screen. What if I changed running the workspace using this option. Wouldn't that place the whole workspace in 24-bit color therefore letting Grab capture my screen in 24-bits? Will attempt this tonight and let you know. Regards, Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street M/S 20BJ Corporate Financial Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304-1112 USA Core Application Technologies 1.415.857.3230 Fax 1.415.852.8026
From: ranilla@polar.etsiig.uniovi.es (Ranilla Pastor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: problems with HSD SCAN-X Color Message-ID: <1994Feb7.203618.1393@polar> Date: 7 Feb 94 20:36:18 +0100 Organization: Universidad de Oviedo About one and a half year ago I bought a HSD SCAN-X Color for my 68040 NeXT Cube. Currently I am transfering my work to a Intel 486 based running MICROSOFT WINDOWS 3.1 environment, because my Next Cube lost the login window and now I can't use it. Therefore, I would like to use the scan on the 486 Pc. Unfortunately I haven't the drivers software for the 486 Pc and I can't use the scanner. Does someone know about drivers software for the HSD SCAN-X Color on the Intel 486? or Does soemone know about the technical details of the scanner (instruction code, class, ADF, etc), or how to get these informations? Thanks in advance, Ranilla PD: Best way to reply to me is email PD: Excuse my (non-existent :-) english and my poor dictionary. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jose Ranilla Pastor Phone: +34 9 5182129 Area de Ciencias de la Computacion e I.A. Fax: +34 9 5338538 E.T.S.I.I de Gijon EMail: ranilla@polar.etsiig.uniovi.es Campus de Viesques s/n Gijon \,,,/ Spain (o o) ----------------------------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo---------------
From: Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Capturing Color screens on Mono black hardware Date: 7 Feb 1994 21:39:13 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j6ce1$g0i@rosie.next.com> References: <2j664e$hko@hpscit.sc.hp.com> In article <2j664e$hko@hpscit.sc.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: > In article <2j5pka$fi5@rosie.next.com>, Ali Ozer <Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com> wrote: > >There is a way that works only if you are grabbing windows, not > >the whole screen or selections. > ... What if I changed running the workspace > using this option. Wouldn't that place the whole workspace in > 24-bit color therefore letting Grab capture my screen in 24-bits? This won't work; the screen & selection grab options work on the framebuffer, which is a fixed depth. Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jleuper@jleuper (Jim Leuper) Subject: Re: Big login problem! Message-ID: <CKvI8L.DAM@lotus.com> Sender: news@lotus.com Organization: Lotus Development References: <2j539p$ncn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 21:26:44 GMT In article <2j539p$ncn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu (Kurt Oldenburg) writes: > Since I rebuilt the hard drive there is no login prompt after I start the > computer and it automatically comes up as the user me. I can't do the > upgrade because in order to install the CD-ROM tools you have to be > logged in as root (which I can't seem to do) Assign a password to the "me" account (either via Preferences or via passwd in a shell). Then, you will get a login screen at boot time and will be able to log in as root. NeXTStep assumes that if "me" doesn't have a password, that the system is configured for a single user with no need for security and no interest in system administration. :-) Jim Leuper Lotus Development Corporation jleuper@lotus.com Advanced Technology Group
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Use NeXT with co-Xist to drive x-terminal? also, xv 3.0 Date: 7 Feb 1994 23:04:53 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD/User Services Message-ID: <2j6hel$3uk@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> i think the subject should be pretty self explanatory. the stuff all seems to be there, xdm etc, but I was wondering if anyone had actually DONE this. I've got a couple HDS X terminals and it would be convenient to have my slab serve one in my temporary home office. Also, has anyone gotten xv 3.0 built for NeXT? I don't have the developer's extensions to co-xist and would prefer to avoid buying them (running co-xist 3.0 and NS 3.2 on a slab). Alternately a pointer to any NextStep GIF/jpeg viewers other than ViewGif2 and Imageviewer 0.9 would be appreciated. (got a fair number of pix which those two apps don't want to display but xv3.0 likes just fine.) thanks, danno -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/us unix support group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean Banfield) Subject: NTSC video and NS/FIP? Organization: Real Decisions Corporation Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 22:51:18 GMT Message-ID: <CKvM5K.2sq@rdcalr.realdec.com> Hi, Standard NS hype literature shows a window with a woman apparently reading CNN news in a video window. Is this possible on white hardware? What h/w and s/w would be required to 'watch cable' while programming? If this is not what the marketing literature is hinting at, then what is the point of that display? TIA. -Dean -- =============================================================== Dean Banfield Real Decisions Corporation Voice: 203.656.1500 22 Thorndal Circle FAX: 203.656.1659 Darien, CT USA 06840 e-mail: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com ===============================================================
Message-ID: <y9%@byu.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 16:07:50 MST From: yackd@maine.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <CEDMAN.94Feb6125738@capitalist.princeton.edu> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice In article <CEDMAN.94Feb6125738@capitalist.princeton.edu>, cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >In article <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: >Not according to the numbers quoted from Open Systems Today here >recently. A 66 MHz Pentium has an integer performance (which is what >you care about mostly unless you do scientific simulations) of 67 >SPECint92, just in the middle between the low-end 712/60 at 58 >SPECint92 and the high-end 712/80 at 84 SPECint92. > >If you have reliable numbers which say otherwise, I'd be genuinely >grateful if you let me know as I'm in the process of deciding between >a Pentium and a Gecko and performance is very important to me. But as >it seems right now, integer performance is a toss-up between the two of >them and almost all other indications point to the Pentium, so I'm >leaning in that direction. The HP's floating point performance is about twice as fast as the Pentium, though. If you're going to be running NEXTSTEP, you _want_ good floating point, because that's what Display PostScript uses. Floating point isn't just for scientists anymore. It's for anyone who uses NEXTSTEP. Look at how much CPU your windowserver uses compared to other processes just doing integer stuff, and I'll go with the Gecko myself, thank you very much. (Of course, given my bent towards graphics, this isn't surprising...) Just another data point... -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing. don@darth.byu.edu (My NeXT at home. Send me NeXTMail. Pleeeease.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Subject: Re: Big login problem! Message-ID: <CKvMyB.M2@belly.in-berlin.de> Sender: usenet@belly.in-berlin.de Organization: - none - References: <2j539p$ncn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 23:08:34 GMT In article <2j539p$ncn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu (Kurt Oldenburg) writes: > Since I rebuilt the hard drive there is no login prompt after I start the > computer and it automatically comes up as the user me. I can't do the > upgrade because in order to install the CD-ROM tools you have to be > logged in as root (which I can't seem to do) Just set a password for the me acount (in Preferences) and log out. -- Axel Habermann \\|// "Wenn Du nicht kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (NeXT-Mail) )o o( weisst was Du kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (NO NeXT-Mail) \ | / tust, mach's FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 \~/ mit Eleganz!"
From: devans@uoguelph.ca (David F Evans) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Running OS 3.2 on 68030 Cube -- details? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 8 Feb 1994 02:14:56 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Message-ID: <2j6sj0$h1d@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> References: <2isu55$bt2@hub.ucsb.edu> In article <2isu55$bt2@hub.ucsb.edu> Douglas Scott (doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu) wrote: :>Could somebody give me some details on how NeXT OS 3.x runs on the old 68030 :>machines? I know that it is "not optimized" for them, but I want to know just :>what is affected by this. For example, I do a very large amount of floating :>point crunching -- would this be likely to run *slower* under 3.x than it does :>under 2.x? :>Most importantly I want to know whether 3.x will run at least equally as fast :>as 2.1 or close to it -- I dont care if it is no faster on the 030. The only thing I have to note (since I haven't used 2.x on an '030 for a *long* time) is that the menus and panels of an ancient Communicatae demo (from monoLib 1) pop up much faster than any of those on the OS or most other applications. ============================================================================= David Evans devans@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca Computer/Synth Junkie (NeXTMail OK) University of Guelph "Default is the value selected by the Guelph, Ontario, Canada composer overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Subject: Re: How does the Gecko 8-bit framebuffer work? Message-ID: <CKvuJt.45w@nosloc.com> Sender: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Organization: Nosloc Software Technologies References: <bchin.760377867@news.andi.org> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 01:52:40 GMT It would be nice if the memory savings could be passed through to the backing store of the window server? I love NeXT, but it is a shame when I have 32MB of RAM and I swap when trying to do work. It seems most of the memory requirements come from within the server, supporting buffered windows/backing store. If the savings the gecko offers (24->8 bits color) could be used also within the window server, now that would be something.... Just thinking..... =derek -- Derek Collison <---> derek@nosloc.com Nosloc Software Technologies NeXTSTEP Consulting and Software Design
From: bjk@edsr.eds.com (Brian Kodl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next Subject: Mathematica ftp site? Keywords: Mathematica ftp Message-ID: <1699@apollo.edsr.eds.com> Date: 7 Feb 94 18:47:48 GMT Organization: EDS Research, Dallas, TX 75230 Could someone please tell me what happened to the Mathematica ftp site that used to be at mathsource.wri.com? When I tried to log in as anonymous, nothing was visible. Thanks (in advance) for any help, Brian Kodl
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Capturing Color screens on Mono black hardware Date: 8 Feb 1994 04:16:43 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j73nb$j9o@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <2j664e$hko@hpscit.sc.hp.com> <2j6ce1$g0i@rosie.next.com> In article <2j6ce1$g0i@rosie.next.com>, Ali Ozer <Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com> wrote: >> ... What if I changed running the workspace >> using this option. Wouldn't that place the whole workspace in >> 24-bit color therefore letting Grab capture my screen in 24-bits? >This won't work; the screen & selection grab options work on the framebuffer, >which is a fixed depth. I was hoping I could capture the whole screen in color. Oh well, but thanks very much for the tip about capturing color on a window level using Grab. I wonder still, could I write my own program to capture the screen in color without using the frame- buffer? Or are screen and selection grab functions tied down to the system call level? Haven't done any NEXTSTEP programming, and it seems like a very nice first-program to me. Always curious, Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street M/S 20BJ Corporate Financial Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304-1112 USA Core Application Technologies 1.415.857.3230 Fax 1.415.852.8026
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu (Chris Conley) Subject: NASCORP order number Message-ID: <1994Feb8.035129.4438@iitmax.iit.edu> Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 03:51:29 GMT Does anybody have the NASCORP order number handy for the educational version of NSFIP ? I look in the newly posetd faq but didn't find it... Thanks, Chris Conley Chicago thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <Neil@bMD.com> Subject: Re: [Help/Question]: Command Line Faxing Message-ID: <1994Feb8.030459.1625@bMD.com> Sender: neil@bMD.com (Neil Greene) Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. (Lex., KY) References: <1994Feb7.043427.6813@bMD.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 03:04:59 GMT In article <1994Feb7.043427.6813@bMD.com> Neil Greene <Neil@bMD.com> writes: > What is anyone/everyone using for command line faxing. I have some old > scripts from the 3.0 days, but I have not tested them with 3.2. Are there > any third-party solutions for command line faxing?? > Gotta script. Thanks! Sincerely, Neil Greene --------------- benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] -- Sincerely, Neil Greene
From: nemiroal@bus.orst.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: loginwindow screen saver Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 14:57:07 Organization: College of Business, Oregon State University, Corvallis Message-ID: <nemiroal.62.000EF42A@bus.orst.edu> Hello All, How do you adjust the time before the Loginwindow goes into Screen Saver Mode? -Aleksander
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: SUMMARY: NeXT printer and envelopes. Message-ID: <HZSLBE7I@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <2j1d9i$hcr@alf.uib.no> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 08:39:53 GMT Thor Legvold (edmtl@alf.uib.no) wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions. The basic consensus is that the > NeXT printer does not handle envelopes well... Sorry, that's not true. There are apps, that handle envelopes well like Poste or InTouch or the like. Just because some people have found a kludge, and you didn't manage to find a better way, doesn't say there is no solution. > By placing a piece of paper under the envelopes loose "top" (which > is glued in place after you put a letter in, you see?) , and > pushing the envelope into the printer with the paper (and the > paper too!) the printer was fooled into thinking it was just a > thick piece of paper, and it worked. Not elegant (I don't look > forward to christmas cards now...) but effective. This *is* a kludge! Ciao, Stephan p.s. why didn't you once try one of these ps files from InTouch or Poste? You could have analyzed them, and perhaps you would have found a real solution. I don't know exactly what's going on, but perhaps it's just the boundingbox in the ps file (the paper type is still a4.), as I didn't find anything else in the file, and I don't have the time to try all possibilities. p.p.s. please don't be too upset, but I don't like this kind of postings. You had other info, but you didn't use it, you rather posted info, that's wrong :-( Would be terrible if some normal user of a NL reads your article, and really thinks, that's the only way to print envelopes. Sometimes NeXT hardware is strange, but their h/w s/w engineers were not lunatic. p.p.p.s. No, I did not write Poste, nor do I have any personal interest in it. I use it three to four times a year, but that's it. And remember, I did *not* say, you should use/buy/... Poste, I wanted you to try, what's the contents of a ps file, that prints correctly on an envelope. -- trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: NeXT Citing from UMD Physics Report (sort of) Message-ID: <1994Feb7.135227.10717@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <2irii2$3nk@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 13:52:27 GMT Can I hook that up to my serial port? I've got this great set of objects to talk it. :-) Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV In article <2irii2$3nk@gap.cco.caltech.edu> ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes: > Somebody left the annual report from the Physics Department of the > University of Maryland at our mail stop. Under the heading "Dynamical > Systems and Accelerator Theory", there was a discussion of their > participation in a follow-on project to the Standford Linear > Accelerator. The sentence read: > > "Dynamical systems and acclerator theorists are key contributors to the > NeXT Linear Collider (NLC),..." > > Capitalization theirs! In addition to market-share and mind-share, > NeXT seems to be gaining word-share as well. Maybe its some sort of > perverse justice to make up for the fact that the trade rags always > spell "NeXT" as "Next". > > -- Ernie P. > > P.S. Perhaps Paul Kunz's work has had an influence on them... > > -- > Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics > Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) > CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu > "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus' sake." - II Cor 4:5b > #import <std/disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Aha, NewsGrazer Pro! Message-ID: <1994Feb7.140409.10787@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <1994Feb4.190435.873@millennium.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 14:04:09 GMT No wonder why Jayson has been posting lately. Look at the headers... Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy Path: esplanade!merk!spdcc!think.com!cass.ma02.bull.com!spool.mu.edu!howlan d.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netc omsv!netcomsv!stormbringer!jayson From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Unfair competition (was: DEC told me to expect NEXTSTEP on Alpha AXP?) Message-ID: <1994Feb4.190435.873@millennium.com> Keywords: Well that's what I heard Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. Posting-Application: Newsgrazer Pro References: <jgraceCK5DCJ.IqB@netcom.com> <2i0iff$rvt@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Jan24.160203.2521@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <CKJFtD.LC6@microsoft.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:04:35 GMT Lines: 18 In article <1994Feb4.190435.873@millennium.com> Jayson Adams writes: > In article <CKJFtD.LC6@microsoft.com>, Muzaffer Kal writes: > > In article <jgraceCK5DCJ.IqB@netcom.com> jgrace@netcom.com wrote: > > > ... > > > Can anyone confirm (or deny :-) this MS approach to "handling" > > > its employees? > > > > ... I am chained to my desk and I am not allowed > > to read anything but MS docs.... > > Someone told me one of those docs is called "Microsoft's Guide to Phenomenally > Bad Interface Design," which supposedly covers both user interfaces and APIs. I > doubt it's true, but they did point out the terrific consistency Microsoft > products have in this area, so maybe they weren't pulling my leg. > > __jayson > > >
From: wolfgang@neptun.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Wolfgang Pusch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSIntel: zsh Date: 8 Feb 1994 12:01:22 GMT Organization: Technical University Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <2j7uui$q93@email.tuwien.ac.at> Keywords: NSIntel, zsh Has anybody successfully compiled a working version of zsh on a NSIntel machine? Compiling seems to work fine but the executable does not work. May be there is a problem with the libraries. If you have a working version of zsh on a NSIntel machine, please send me the executable per NeXTmail or an instruction how to build. Are there precompiled versions (for NSIntel) of zsh available on the archives? Thanks, Wolfgang Pusch -- ===================================================== D.I. Wolfgang PUSCH Institut f. Nachrichtentechnik u. Hochfrequenztechnik, Technische Universitaet Wien, Gusshausstrasse 25/389 A-1040 WIEN Austria Tel: (+43 1) 58 801 - 3522 FAX: (+43 1) 587 05 83 EMAIL: pusch@email.tuwien.ac.at
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice In-Reply-To: yackd@maine.et.byu.edu's message of Mon, 7 Feb 94 16:07:50 MST To: yackd@maine.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Feb7195225@capitalist.princeton.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <CEDMAN.94Feb6125738@capitalist.princeton.edu> <y9%@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 00:52:25 GMT In article <y9%@byu.edu> yackd@maine.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) writes: The HP's floating point performance is about twice as fast as the Pentium, though. If you're going to be running NEXTSTEP, you _want_ good floating point, because that's what Display PostScript uses. Floating point isn't just for scientists anymore. It's for anyone who uses NEXTSTEP. Look at how much CPU your windowserver uses compared to other processes just doing integer stuff, and I'll go with the Gecko myself, thank you very much. Not quite. The Pentium has a SPECfp92 rating of 57, both gecko models one of 79 -- a difference of less than 40%, not 100%. A matter on which my recollection is more clouded is whether the DPS server actually does use processor floating point. At some time it was pointed out that this is not so but rather that it uses a special fixed point format which is emulated in integer instructions. Or was it the other way around ? Personally, I'm by now leaning close to buying the Royal Pentium. In particular the facts that it actually does have a second generation PCI level bus (which is fully 64 bit and does not share the older versions cache write problems) and that NeXT has/is working on a driver for the Matrox MGA II graphics card have encouraged me. But thousand thanks to all the people who wrote to me on both sides of this issue. (Of course, given my bent towards graphics, this isn't surprising...) Well, in that case you may want real true color. And that you can't get with a Gecko. Carl Edman PS: I believe I recall that one of the more obscure rules by which the Usenet is supposed to retain its sham of a semblance of well-orderedness is never to cross-post to a misc group, or at least a foo.bar.baz and a foo.bar.misc group as subjects which are are appropriate to discussion in a misc group are by definition not appropriate to any of its sister groups. So I redirected the followup.
From: Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Capturing Color screens on Mono black hardware Date: 8 Feb 1994 14:30:25 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j87m2$gsv@rosie.next.com> References: <2j73nb$j9o@hpscit.sc.hp.com> In article <2j73nb$j9o@hpscit.sc.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: > In article <2j6ce1$g0i@rosie.next.com>, Ali Ozer <Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com> wrote: > >> ... What if I changed running the workspace > >> using this option. Wouldn't that place the whole workspace in > >> 24-bit color therefore letting Grab capture my screen in 24-bits? > >This won't work; the screen & selection grab options work on the > >framebuffer, which is a fixed depth. > ... I wonder still, could I write my own > program to capture the screen in color without using the frame- > buffer? Or are screen and selection grab functions tied down > to the system call level? Haven't done any NEXTSTEP programming, > and it seems like a very nice first-program to me. Yes, you can do that. In fact, the program to do this would be pretty small. One way to do it is to create an NXImage of desired size (probably screen size), use the screenlist NeXT DPS operator to get an ordered list of all on-screen windows, and composite them into the NXImage. For bonus points, you can try to get the cursor image in the capture and get the background color right. (There's no reasonable API for this last one...) This would be a nice & small first-program (but it doesn't require much OO work). Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com ps. Rumor has it that the 2.0 version of Grab (/NextDeveloper/Demos) can do color screen grabs, as it picks up window contents from the backing stores. This might come in handy if you have access to it; it'll work fine on a 3.x machine. You will still need to use the -NXWindowDepthLimit default with it. Also remember that it will be compiled for the 68k only; but it should work fine NXHost'ed.
From: or@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Oliver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How do i plug a multisyncing monitor into a station? Date: 8 Feb 1994 16:05:34 GMT Organization: TU Darmstadt Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j8d8e$eac@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> References: <1994Feb3.041935.29729@beaver.cs.washington.edu> as i know, the dell 17" IS a mitsubishi diamond 17.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@myxa.com Subject: Re: NeXT Citing from UMD Physics Report (sort of) Message-ID: <CKwwpy.1qB@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <1994Feb7.135227.10717@hot.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:37:10 GMT In article <1994Feb7.135227.10717@hot.com> Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> writes: > Can I hook that up to my serial port? I've got this great set of > objects to talk it. :-) > > Robert La Ferla > Hot Technologies > NEXTSTEP ISV Sorry, the NeXT Linear Collider connects to a proprietary high-speed interface which can only be found on Black Hardware. Oh, wait. That's the NeXT Laser Printer. Nevermind. Jon "Having trouble with manual feed" Hendry -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
Message-ID: <-!&@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 10:28:06 MST From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mathematica ftp site? References: <1699@apollo.edsr.eds.com> In article <1699@apollo.edsr.eds.com> bjk@edsr.eds.com (Brian Kodl) writes: > Could someone please tell me what happened to the Mathematica ftp site > that used to be at mathsource.wri.com? ftp.wri.com Later, Paul M. Cardon NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Dept. - Brigham Young University ----------------------------------------------- DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pasqua@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re: How does the Gecko 8-bit framebuffer work? Message-ID: <1994Feb8.172946.27603@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <CKvuJt.45w@nosloc.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 17:29:46 GMT In article <CKvuJt.45w@nosloc.com> derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) writes: > > > It would be nice if the memory savings could be passed through to the > backing store of the window server? I love NeXT, but it is a shame when I have > 32MB of RAM and I swap when trying to do work. It seems most of the memory > requirements come from within the server, supporting buffered windows/backing > store. > If the savings the gecko offers (24->8 bits color) could be used also > within the window server, now that would be something.... > > Just thinking..... In fact, the backing stores of windows are kept at as low a depth as possible and promoted as needed. For instance, in an Edit window that you are using to display just black text on a white background, the backing store will be 2 bits deep even if the window is on a 24 bit display. The depth conversion happens on the fly when the image is copied from backing store to screen. If you introduce color into the image, the backingstore will automatically be promoted to a greater depth. To continue with the example, if you drag a tiff into your edit window, the corresponding backing store will be promoted to a greater depth (12 or 24 bit). If you are working with color in your windows, you will have many deep backing stores. Joe Pasqua Adobe Systems Incorporated
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Capturing Color screens on Mono black hardware Date: 8 Feb 1994 17:29:59 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j8i6n$pfa@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <2j73nb$j9o@hpscit.sc.hp.com> <2j87m2$gsv@rosie.next.com> In article <2j87m2$gsv@rosie.next.com>, Ali Ozer <Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com> wrote: >In article <2j73nb$j9o@hpscit.sc.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: >> ... I wonder still, could I write my own >> program to capture the screen in color without using the frame- >> buffer? >Yes, you can do that. In fact, the program to do this would be pretty small. Great. This will be a nice getaway from the stuff that I'm doing at work. 'Course, I'm not going to write this at work... >ps. Rumor has it that the 2.0 version of Grab (/NextDeveloper/Demos) can do >color screen grabs I have a black box with NS versions from 1.0 through 3.2. I think I'll try to write the program first and then check out Grab on NS2.0. Thanks a bunch. Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street M/S 20BJ Corporate Financial Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304-1112 USA Core Application Technologies 1.415.857.3230 Fax 1.415.852.8026
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mathematica ftp site? Date: 8 Feb 1994 17:51:54 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j8jfq$bpe@news.iastate.edu> References: <1699@apollo.edsr.eds.com> Brian Kodl writes []Could someone please tell me what happened to the Mathematica ftp site []that used to be at mathsource.wri.com? When I tried to log in as anonymous, []nothing was visible. [] []Thanks (in advance) for any help, []Brian Kodl ???? tityus> date Tue Feb 08 11:50:02 CST 1994 tityus> ftp mathsource.wri.com Connected to fiji.wri.COM. 220 fiji FTP server (Version 6.25 Thu Sep 17 16:42:06 CDT 1992) ready. Name (mathsource.wri.com:tlm): anonymous 331 Guest login ok, send e-mail address as password. Password: <messages trimmed> ftp> cd pub 250-Please read the file README 250- it was last modified on Fri Jan 21 16:58:40 1994 - 18 days ago 250 CWD command successful. ftp> ls -FC 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. dir.wmd Enhancements/ Listing.txt README maplist notar General/ NumberedItems/ WhatsNew/ outgoing/ Applications/ Listing.ma Publications/ incoming/ 226 Transfer complete. + etc. etc. Perhaps it was down briefly? -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com (Tom Meyer) Subject: SerialDriver screw up -- HELP! Message-ID: <1994Feb8.172745.14622@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 17:27:45 GMT Ok, so call me an idiot... I was installing the new 'Mux' serial port driver on my white hardware last night when I did something rather stupid... - I installed 2 instances of the Mux driver and set them IRQs (3 and 4) and port addresses to those used by the default serial driver. I then removed the SerialDriver from the list of used drivers [First Dumb Move] - When I saved the configuration, it said something like "SerialMouse Requires SerialPort driver to function". Like a complete moron, I ignored the message thinking "well, the new serial driver will drive the mouse". [Second Dumb Move] - When I rebooted the machine, whaddaya think happens ? No mouse function. - Tried booting with 'config=Default', but I get these now pretty obvious messages: Configuring Device Drivers PCPointerProbe: mouseInit failure Using default table for BusMouse - IoProbeDriver: No Such Device BusMouse unit 0 Using Default table for SerialPorts (it just hangs here) Any suggestions ?? If I can log into my machine remotely, is there a way to reconfigure the machine from the command line? Can I boot off the CD ROM .If so, what is the command to do so from the 'boot:' prompt?? (yeah, I know, rtfm) Any help would be appreciated. thanks, tom meyer tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com -- #import <disclaimer.h> /* Unfortunately, opinions expressed are mine */ /* and mine alone */ /* */ /* tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com */
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pentium pc for NSI Date: 8 Feb 1994 18:00:49 GMT Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j8k0h$jsd@netnews.upenn.edu> Hi, I'm looking for a pentium pc to run NSI. I would like to be able to get 1280x1`024x16. The only system listed in the "hardware compatability guide as supporting that video mode is the DECpc MTE. DECs newer line of machines, the XL series, uses a PCI bus and a PCI S3-928 graphics card. Will NSI work on this machine? Is anyone out there running NSI on a pentium pc that can do 1280x1024 "dots"-- preferably a brand name: IBM, DEC, HP, Compaq, ALR, AST. Any information appreciated. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Encryption? Message-ID: <1994Feb7.134445.885@gamelan.uucp> Sender: thomas@gamelan.uucp (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <2ioilf$d54@valinor.cubetech.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 13:44:45 GMT In article <2ioilf$d54@valinor.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes: > > Non trivially broken encryption systems are considered munitions by > the state department and come under ITAR (international trafficking in > arms regulations I think), so they cannot be exported from the US or > given to foreign nationals and stuff like that. A relict of cold war politics in the USA: Quite ridiculous anyway, every country in the world can implement DES or RSA in a day or so. But I have a question: Why is it obviously quite legal to export Unix systems with password encryption ? The unix password encyption routine crypt() may be cracked, but definitely this is non trival. So what ? Put Steve Jobs into jail ? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.de Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a DOOM version for black (040) hardware? Date: 8 Feb 1994 15:34:59 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen Message-ID: <2j87uj$7d@alf.uib.no> I know - I should be working, not gaming :-) I've heard lots about this game and even got to try it on a PC. I heard it was developed on a NeXTSTEP machine, but a version I ftp'd some months ago was only for Intel (white) hardware. I have a cube, and would like to try out DOOM for black hardware, if it exists. Please e-mail replies. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: loginwindow screen saver Date: 8 Feb 1994 19:38:26 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2j8pni$hs9@rosie.next.com> References: <nemiroal.62.000EF42A@bus.orst.edu> In article <nemiroal.62.000EF42A@bus.orst.edu> nemiroal@bus.orst.edu writes: > Hello All, > > How do you adjust the time before the Loginwindow goes into Screen Saver Mode? > > -Aleksander as root: # dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim numberofseconds i.e. # dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim 15 The default number is 300. later, Erik
From: icardena@dcl-nxt09 (Ian Patrick Cardenas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a DOOM version for black (040) hardware? Date: 8 Feb 1994 20:41:38 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2j8te2$848@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2j87uj$7d@alf.uib.no> It is my understanding that the black version of DOOM will be available "before summer." Someone posted this information claiming that this was a quote from ID themselves. FYI, Ian -- *x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x* Love:"Floats like a flower petal, X Ian Cardenas X stings like a cattle prod." X CS Major at UIUC X -A real stud hombre cybermuffinX icardena@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu X
From: Gregory_Mutzel@afs.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What would happen if... Message-ID: <1994Feb4.192141.4101@afs.com> Date: 4 Feb 94 19:21:41 GMT Sender: mutz@afs.com What would happen if I pressed Record on the Lip Service panel and walked away for a day ot two? Would I swap to death? Would I record a murder in progress? Would I hit an internal buffer limit? Would I pick up on a good stock tip? I'm not trying it, you try it. --- Greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: Big login problem! Message-ID: <1LTLBO9L@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <2j539p$ncn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CKvI8L.DAM@lotus.com> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 22:11:15 GMT Jim Leuper (jleuper@jleuper) wrote: > In article <2j539p$ncn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu (Kurt > Oldenburg) writes: > > Since I rebuilt the hard drive there is no login prompt after I start the > > computer and it automatically comes up as the user me. I can't do the > > upgrade because in order to install the CD-ROM tools you have to be > > logged in as root (which I can't seem to do) > Assign a password to the "me" account > (either via Preferences or via passwd in > a shell). Then, you will get a login screen > at boot time and will be able to Or, you could just press the mouse button after looging out, when the mouse cursor moves to the upper left corner of the screen. You can depress the mouse button, when the cursor starts spinning. You'll see the login panel even when "me" does not have a password. What really happens when you log out from me, is a window server restart. When the mouse button is pressed while the window server is starting, it'll NOT autologin the "me" account, but rather show the login window. If you've finished doing sysadmin stuff, you can simply enter exit as a login name, forcing another window server restart. Ciao, Stephan -- trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de
From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Capturing Color screens on Mono black hardware Date: 8 Feb 1994 22:30:20 GMT Organization: Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j93ps$oas@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2j87m2$gsv@rosie.next.com> In article <2j87m2$gsv@rosie.next.com> NeXT guru Ali Ozer writes: > For bonus points, you can try to get the cursor image in the capture I tried to do this in the Magnify.app a couple years back but ran into two problems. The first was that the NXCursor 'hotSpot' instance variable could be set but not read -- this I was able to get around with a patch Category. The second problem was that the cursor returned by [NXCursor currentCursor], called to access its 'image' method, is the current cursor image for your application, when activated, not the global one that's currently being displayed, which a screen capture application (or Magnify) really wants. Has access to the current cursor actually on the screen been added since? - Christopher
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: fineman@cs.washington.edu (Daniel Fineman) Subject: Can I run X11 (origional) in NS/White? Message-ID: <1994Feb8.232002.28042@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 23:20:02 GMT Hey netters - I'd like to get X11 running on my machine (intel). UNfortunately, X11R5 for NeXTStep is only compiled for black hardware, and the others (cube-x, mouse-x and co-xist) cost some major $$s. I honestly don't mind if it doesn't run as a NeXTStep app, so going through the BSD shell would be fine (if possible). could I: compile all the proper stuff for X11, and get it to take over (or run as a window in) the workspace? or simply boot in single user mode, and go from there? Is single user mode just BSD without the NS frills? And could it run in (*gasp*) color, if i've only got a cirrus logic video card? I've got a friend who runs FreeBSD with the same vid card, and gets color X going (on a 386, to add insult to injury). any hope? dan fineman fineman@cs.washington.edu ASCII pleeze
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with faxing under 3.0 Date: 9 Feb 1994 00:13:02 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2j99qe$a1v@news.tamu.edu> I just tried faxing a file (from Edit) that contained an image. I got an email back saying that the fax software doesn't support some of the features that the document was using. What?! I thought I had faxed stuff like this before. What's going on? I'm using a DoveFax modem, off serial port a. I have a ZyXEL on port b that I use only for dialing up, and I have the DoveFax configured as "Private" so that I only use it for faxing. Could I have some of my switches mixed up (I used to use the DoveFax for dialing)? I think an important one was &S0. Or is the driver screwed under 3.0 -- I can't recall faxing since the upgrade, so maybe that's the problem. Any help appreciated. Thanks! Andrew -- -- Andrew Duchowski | Nothing unreal exists. -- -- | -- -- Texas A&M University | -- Kiri-Kin-Tha's first law -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (NeXTmail ok) | of metaphysics --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: patt@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Sam Li) Subject: Advice on backup device and 3 1/2" optical-drive Message-ID: <CKxMD0.2EG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Followup-To: poster Keywords: backup, optical Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 00:50:59 GMT hi, I am looking for a back-up device for my black NeXT machine, can anyone give me some advice on this: such as which brand or simply their experience with back-up device with old NeXT machines. Actually I am looking for a 3 1/2" optical drive as the back-up device, can anyone suggest any brand of 3 1/2" optical drive work well with the Motorola NeXT machines? Can I actually buy any SCSI-2 interfaced 3 1/2" optical drive and work with my Motorola NeXT? Please e-mail to veloqxli.ce.berkeley.edu . (NON-NeXTmail ONLY, Please!!!!) Sam.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: patt@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Sam Li) Subject: correction: Advice on backup device and 3 1/2" optical-drive Message-ID: <CKxMn8.39t@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Followup-To: poster Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 00:57:07 GMT hi, I am sorry to give the wrong e-mail address of mine. So please reply to veloqxli@iris-1.ce.berkeley.edu Thanks! Sam.
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Encryption? Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:40:39 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0hK347m00iV5I=SeUJ@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Feb7.134445.885@gamelan.uucp> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 7-Feb-94 Re: Encryption? by Thomas Funke@zelator.de > But I have a question: Why is it obviously quite legal to export Unix > systems with password encryption ? The unix password encyption routine > crypt() may be cracked, but definitely this is non trival. So what ? Put > Steve Jobs into jail ? The routines user to encrypt passwords uses a "one-way" encryption scheme that never is decrypted. Instead, attempted passwords are encrypted and compared to the previously encrypted password and the attempt is accepted if the encrypted passwords match. Since these routines are almost useless to act as a data encryption mechanism, they probably don't fall under the government export restrictions. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: culus@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Cemil Ulus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help on HD Date: 9 Feb 1994 02:03:52 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: Cemil Ulus Message-ID: <2j9ga8$6rs@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hi dear; I was wondering if any one has experience with brand name micropalis. I was plannig to install a HD to my NeXT machine (black-white). Any comment would be appriciated. For example are they noisy, dependible, hot, etc.... Thanks in advance... c .u. culustr@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Can I run X11 (origional) in NS/White? Date: 9 Feb 1994 07:12:25 GMT Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. Message-ID: <2ja2cp$t91@hub.ucsb.edu> References: <1994Feb8.232002.28042@beaver.cs.washington.edu> In article <1994Feb8.232002.28042@beaver.cs.washington.edu> fineman@cs.washington.edu (Daniel Fineman) writes: ] ] ]I'd like to get X11 running on my machine (intel). UNfortunately, X11R5 ]for NeXTStep is only compiled for black hardware, and the others ](cube-x, mouse-x and co-xist) cost some major $$s. I honestly don't mind if it Whoah there -- "mouse-x" is public domain software, and costs nothing. There is no generic "X11R5" -- that is just the release number of the MIT X software. I think you actually mean the mouse-x software, since it *does* only run on the black machines. ]doesn't run as a NeXTStep app, so going through the BSD shell would be ]fine (if possible). ] ]could I: ] ] compile all the proper stuff for X11, and get it to take over ](or run as a window in) the workspace? or ] ] simply boot in single user mode, and go from there? Is single ]user mode just BSD without the NS frills? And could it run in (*gasp*) ]color, if i've only got a cirrus logic video card? I've got a friend ]who runs FreeBSD with the same vid card, and gets color X going (on a ]386, to add insult to injury). Nope, sorry, you gets what yah pays fer -- Only the commercial X servers will run on the white machines. There is no publically available software for compiling your own Intel X server. -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jtainio@siika.ratol.fi (Jukka Tainio) Subject: Re: Is there a DOOM version for black (040) hardware? Message-ID: <1994Feb9.073647.5999@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@ousrvr.oulu.fi Organization: Raahe institute of computer technology, Raahe, Finland References: <2j87uj$7d@alf.uib.no> <2j8te2$848@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 07:36:47 GMT A fat binary version (runs on Black hardware) of Doom 1.2 is at cs.orst.edu: /pub/next/submissions/Doom1_2_FAT.compressed John Carmack, Technical Director of Id Software says, that it supports two bit gray, eight bit gray and twelve bit color. Also network game works. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | Jukka Tainio Raahen tietokonealan oppilaitos | | jtainio@ratol.fi Raahe Institute of Computer Engineering | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: kdburg@incoahe.hanse.de (Klaus Dahlenburg) Subject: Re: NeXT Cube SCSI termination power ? Message-ID: <CKx9sJ.MBE@incoahe.hanse.de> Organization: Hanse Networking eV., Hamburg; Germany References: <2j5s3s$1m6@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:19:30 GMT ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) writes: >Some things I always wanted to know about Cubes and SCSI : I don't know whether or not the Cube supplies power to the TERMPWR pin. If you have an internal disk only it should be terminated, the external SCSI port need not to be terminated. If you hook up an external disk to the CUBE, and it's the (end) only device then it must be terminated. Rule: always terminate the last unit in the chain whether it be external or internal. In case a device can supply power to the resistor or the TERMPWR pin or to both I would recommend a setting that will supply to the internal resitor only. Any short external to the device may damage it (this note was taken from FUJITSU installation guide). In any case don't worry about the motherbord's SCSI port(s) they take care of themself. Klaus --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nylee@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Namyong Lee-1) Subject: SystemWorks1.1 -- NextStep-based visual oriented shell Message-ID: <nylee.760788589@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:09:49 GMT SystemWorks can perform conventional UNIX operation within Icon-oriented framework. However this nice utillity is not working after upgrading NeXTstep3.2. Does anybody success to complie on NeXTstep 3.2? Anyone know who made this apps? Thanks in advance. nylee@staff.tc.umn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Subject: Re: Can I run X11 (origional) in NS/White? Message-ID: <1994Feb9.111051.11502@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany References: <1994Feb8.232002.28042@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <2ja2cp$t91@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 11:10:51 GMT Douglas Scott (doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu) wrote: : ] simply boot in single user mode, and go from there? Is single : ]user mode just BSD without the NS frills? And could it run in (*gasp*) : ]color, if i've only got a cirrus logic video card? I've got a friend : ]who runs FreeBSD with the same vid card, and gets color X going (on a : ]386, to add insult to injury). : Nope, sorry, you gets what yah pays fer -- Only the commercial X servers will : run on the white machines. There is no publically available software for : compiling your own Intel X server. Ok, you're right that there's no 'free' software available to run a X server from within NEXTSTEP/Intel. But there IS XFree, running on Intel machines on top of Linux, FreeBSD,... . I think it should in principle be possible to port this 'publically available' server to NEXTSTEP/Intel. I have no idea how much work it is, but it should be possible. Has anyone yet played with it ? Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
From: me@nextix.muc.de (Tobias Hoellrich) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a DOOM version for black (040) hardware? Date: 09 Feb 1994 13:09:31 GMT Organization: MUC.DE - Individual Network (IN) Domain Munich Message-ID: <ME.94Feb9140931@nextix.muc.de> References: <2j87uj$7d@alf.uib.no> <2j8te2$848@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In-reply-to: icardena@dcl-nxt09's message of 8 Feb 1994 20:41:38 GMT In article <2j8te2$848@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> icardena@dcl-nxt09 (Ian Patrick Cardenas) writes: > It is my understanding that the black version of DOOM will be > available "before summer." Someone posted this information claiming that > this was a quote from ID themselves. Wrong! It's already "before summer"! Check cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions/Doom1_2_FAT.compressed (2961141 bytes) Ciao Tobias -- Tobias Hoellrich, Schiesstaettstr. 26,80339 Muenchen, Tel: +49-89-502 90 88 NeXTMail: tobias@nextix.muc.de EMail: med@d012s648.zfe.siemens.de, tobias@cat-ufg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc From: ken@phys.titech.ac.jp (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice In-Reply-To: emt@leland.Stanford.EDU's message of 7 Feb 1994 02:42:10 GMT Message-ID: <KEN.94Feb9114939@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> Sender: news@phys.titech.ac.jp (Usenet News System) Organization: Dept. of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2j3kmc$h57@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2j3nco$hu7@news.acns.nwu.edu> <MAGNUS.94Feb6163534@fisher.Stanford.EDU> <2j49q2$122@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 02:49:39 GMT In article <2j49q2$122@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> emt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Michael Taleff) writes: .... A curious thing happens with MMA now though. Instead of the swap growing with MMA, after running some models for a while MMA will get killed. I suspect that this behavior is related to the OS telling MMA that it can't have anymore swap.?? I'm running MMA 2.0, which is about three years old now. I haven't enlisted in the Wolfram upgrade program due to it's prohibitive cost. But, if anyone knows that newer MMA versions fix this and knows of a way to get a cheap or preferably free upgrade I'd be grateful of any info. This sounds more like /etc/swaptab has changed. In other words, somebody set a hiwater mark for the swapspace. I don't think this is a bug in mma. (well except that it's memory hungry.) I am running 3.1 and I can tell you that swapspace can grow without bound. (I have no hiwat, have compress on.) So as somebody else was commenting, depends on what you are doing. If you are going to use mma heavily, or open a lot of jpeg images at once, for instance, you are either going to need ram or need patience. I have only 16mb ram on nstc and I can tell you that I am about to break down and buy 16mb more. -- Kenichiro Aoki (ken@phys.titech.ac.jp), Department of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Oh-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo, JAPAN $@@DLZ7r0l(J$@O:!$El5~9)6HBg3XM}3XItJ*M}3X2J!$")(J152 $@El5~ETL\9u6hBg2,;3(J
From: gopher2@bcarh530.bnr.ca (Avril Morris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Doom for Black hardware Date: 9 Feb 1994 14:32:11 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Sender: gopher2@bcarh530 (Avril Morris) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jas5b$8ru@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Ok, I grabbed a copy of it, not knowing what to expect, and here is my quick review. First thing I noticed was "is that play-screen ever small!". Selecting the 200% mode helped that out, of course. I have a plain-old NeXTstation, no turbo, no colour, so at first it was a bit difficult to see anything on the screen (everything just sort of blends in together). I couldn't use most of the tips in the instructions since they are mostly hints like "when the screen flashes red", or "you need to pick up the blue key". But then something cool happened. I found the shotgun |B-) After playing this game for about 2 hours (oh my, where does the time go?), I'm hooked. Even though it takes a while to get used to the 2-bit graphics, it is definately worth it. I can hardly wait until there is sound effects! Great work, and congats to the folks at ID. Finally, a real game for my 'station :-) later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill || I will not do it, in my car, I will not speak || o/\_ BNR, Ottawa || for BNR. I would not, could not in a plane, I || <\__,\ 613 763 8146 || would not, could not on a train. I will not || "> | gopher2@bnr.ca || speak for BNR, I will not do it, Sam you are. || : |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: Black White and ???? Message-ID: <CKx970.K0J@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <CKLF71.s1@friday.com> <2ioqcs$hd7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <2ip6qu$as6@cisun2000.unil.ch> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:06:35 GMT In article <2ip6qu$as6@cisun2000.unil.ch> Sean.Hill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean L. Hill) writes: > >So it goes... > >NeXT is black >Intel is white >Gecko/HP is green >Sun is yellow >IBM is blue >Apple is red >DEC is that new maroon >SGI is indigo.... and crimson and ... > >We'll have the full spectrum before long. > >-Sean I lightheartedly suggested Geckos were green and Suns yellow a while back. On reflection, of course, the Suns ought technically to be pretty close to Equal Energy White in colour (colour temperature 6000 degrees Kelvin?) and most of the Intels I've seen have been kind of stone coloured, which is (I suppose) appropriate ;-) Does that mean that the NeXT/Sun co-operation creates a Grey market? %^) david -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@trillium.ab.ca | (Albert Einstein)
From: traupman-jonathan@cs.yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Can I run X11 (origional) in NS/White? Date: 9 Feb 1994 12:04:30 -0500 Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Message-ID: <2jb52uINNos@PYTHON.ZOO2.CS.YALE.EDU> References: <1994Feb8.232002.28042@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <2ja2cp$t91@hub.ucsb.edu> <1994Feb9.111051.11502@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> In article <1994Feb9.111051.11502@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) writes: >Douglas Scott (doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu) wrote: >: ] simply boot in single user mode, and go from there? Is single >: ]user mode just BSD without the NS frills? And could it run in (*gasp*) >: ]color, if i've only got a cirrus logic video card? I've got a friend >: ]who runs FreeBSD with the same vid card, and gets color X going (on a >: ]386, to add insult to injury). > >: Nope, sorry, you gets what yah pays fer -- Only the commercial X servers will >: run on the white machines. There is no publically available software for >: compiling your own Intel X server. > >Ok, you're right that there's no 'free' software available to run a X >server from within NEXTSTEP/Intel. But there IS XFree, running on Intel >machines on top of Linux, FreeBSD,... . I think it should in principle be >possible to port this 'publically available' server to NEXTSTEP/Intel. I >have no idea how much work it is, but it should be possible. > >Has anyone yet played with it ? I put on on this weekend in a spare partition. It's very nice (and a heck of a lot faster than NS video -- what is NeXT's phobia of accelerators?). Unfortunately it is a pain to configure -- you have work out timing tables for your monitor for each resolution you work at. Also it doesn't look like it would be easy to port to NS. The device drivers seem closely tied with the server -- you need a different server for each graphics card type. Unless someone writes a server that will use DPS instead of a direct hardware driver (an apparently non-trivial undertaking), I don't think we'll see XFree on NS. However, Linux and XFree only take about 100MB total. If you only need X occasionally and don't need X/NS interoperability, try going with that on a second partition. Later, Jon -- Jon Traupman - jont@suned.cs.yale.edu | "It wasn't always like this, PO Box 203124 | I had a real life...once." New Haven, CT 06520-3124 | (203) 436 3243 | -from "Armies of Darkness"
From: park@isl.Stanford.EDU (Sang Ju Park) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Recommendation Sought: Anti Glare Screen for MegaPixel Date: 9 Feb 1994 17:47:38 GMT Organization: Information Systems Lab, Stanford University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <94Feb09.094050@EE.Stanford.EDU> Dear netters, I am looking for a Anti-Glare screen for my 17" mono megapixel display. Does anyone have any recommendation ? I'm thinking about Anti-glare screen for 16" SUN multiscan color monitor. Does it fit on the megapixel ? Any info would be appreciated. --- Sang Ju Park (park@isl.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rtthomas@acs.ucalgary.ca (R. Todd Thomas) Subject: From OS/2 Professional Message-ID: <Feb9.181040.19627@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:10:40 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta For those unfortunate few that do not read OS/2 Professional, here is a letter from the INPUT section. I had to read it a couple times before I got it....some NeXTophile I am. Reprinted without permission. Workplace OS I would like to thank OS/2 Professional for William Zachmann's mouthwatering column on the Mach Unix microkernel architecture [Zachmann's View October] that IBM plans to build its object-oriented and portable version of OS/2 around. Wow! An object-oriented OS built on top of Mach? What a great idea! I can't wait to taste it! In fact, I wish that I could buy it today. I am pleased that IBM is forging ahead with the next step in OS technology. I'm tickled that they are consistently trying to be the first one there, instead of being the next one there. I wonder who will be next. Maybe Cairo will be next. Perhaps Taligent will be next. I think you see where I am going with this. Zachmann writes that the Workspace OS will be IBM's next step in OS technology. Damn straight it's the neXTStep in OS technology--I'm running it on my desk right now. And, man, is it sweet. (note: I did not miss the capital N on neXTStep, they did...) The author is Pohl Longsine. Todd Thomas rtthomas@acs.ucalgary.ca todd@avocado.cuc.ab.ca [NeXTmail]
From: spb@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Steven Berry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a DOOM version for black (040) hardware? Date: 9 Feb 1994 18:16:57 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <2jb9ap$a00@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <2j87uj$7d@alf.uib.no> Thor Legvold (edmtl@alf.uib.no) wrote: : I know - I should be working, not gaming :-) : I've heard lots about this game and even got to try it on a PC. : I heard it was developed on a NeXTSTEP machine, but a version : I ftp'd some months ago was only for Intel (white) hardware. : I have a cube, and would like to try out DOOM for black : hardware, if it exists. Doom 1.2 FAT has just been released and is on cs.orst.edu in /pub/next/submissions. Supports grey scale, color and network play between black AND white hardware.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: ddp@cc.bellcore.com (David D. Pascua) Subject: pls help -- can't run DOOM on black Message-ID: <CKz8t9.J0n@walter.bellcore.com> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:53:32 GMT So I was all excited to try out this 'way cool' game that everyone's been talking about. But when I tried to run it I got an Error pop-up window with this message: W_GetNumForName:PNAMES not found! Anyone want to help out this poor DOOM-less NeXT fan out? Specifics: NeXTColor Station NS 3.0 -Dave ddp@cc.bellcore.com
From: rob@snyderre.student.rose-hulman.edu (Rob Snyder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Doom for Black Hardware Date: 9 Feb 1994 21:09:11 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2jbjdn$ok5@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Well everyone, rush out too your favorite FTP cite, (cs.orst, and sonata.cc.purdue, that I've seen so far) and grab your very own copy of Doom1_2_FAT! Yes it runs on Black Hardware, infact it's running in the background right now on my '40 NeXTstation 20/200... Its like huge (3 megs compressed and 4 uncompressed) But for those of you who have played it already on a PC, don't expect too much for this version. I was very unimpressed. There is NO sound/music, the graphics aren't very good, and you can't use the mouse. Plus the screen is really small even at 200%. Being an expereienced Doom! player, I found this one very hard to play... For what it's worth, go out and get it! I'm already making a mental wish list for future versions... At least it's here though.... Rob. -- *--------------------------------------------------* * Rob Snyder. /\/e><T Mail accepted * * 'rob@snyderre.student.rose-hulman.edu' * * 'snyderre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu' * * (812)877-8702 * *--------------------------------------------------*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: SerialDriver screw up -- HELP! Message-ID: <1994Feb9.161326.3457@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <1994Feb8.172745.14622@il.us.swissbank.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:13:26 GMT You can remotely log in or boot single-user and fix it. Look in /NextLibrary/Devices. I think you want to look in System.config. Look at the document "Configuring.rtfd" in Digital Librarian's DriverKit book for more information. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting In article <1994Feb8.172745.14622@il.us.swissbank.com> tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com (Tom Meyer) writes: > Ok, so call me an idiot... > > I was installing the new 'Mux' serial port driver on my white hardware > last night when I did something rather stupid... > > - I installed 2 instances of the Mux driver and set them IRQs (3 and 4) > and port addresses to those used by the default serial driver. I then > removed the SerialDriver from the list of used drivers [First Dumb Move] > > - When I saved the configuration, it said something like "SerialMouse > Requires SerialPort driver to function". Like a complete moron, I ignored > the message thinking "well, the new serial driver will drive the mouse". > [Second Dumb Move] > > - When I rebooted the machine, whaddaya think happens ? No mouse function. > > - Tried booting with 'config=Default', but I get these now pretty obvious > messages: > > Configuring Device Drivers > PCPointerProbe: mouseInit failure > Using default table for BusMouse > - IoProbeDriver: No Such Device BusMouse unit 0 > Using Default table for SerialPorts > (it just hangs here) > > Any suggestions ?? If I can log into my machine remotely, is there a way > to reconfigure the machine from the command line? Can I boot off the CD > ROM .If so, what is the command to do so from the 'boot:' prompt?? (yeah, > I know, rtfm) > > Any help would be appreciated. > > thanks, > > tom meyer > tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com > > -- > #import <disclaimer.h> > > /* Unfortunately, opinions expressed are mine */ > /* and mine alone */ > /* */ > /* tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com */
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Date: 8 Feb 1994 12:07:06 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2j7roq$dt@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <CEDMAN.94Feb6125738@capitalist.princeton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >In article <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: > >1). Pentium (with cache expandable or shipped at 256 K) > Not necessary, because too expensive. It gives you a performance gain of > about 25% (in comparison to a DX2/66) for twice the price. >Not according to the benchmarks I've seen. A 60 MHz Pentium runs code >optimized for a 486 about 70% faster and code optimized for a Pentium >about 100% faster than a DX2/66. This is a rather meager performance >increase for a CPU upgrade, but not even Intel would dare to put out a >CPU which is only 25% faster than the last one. > If you want to get a good performance-for-money ratio, Pentium is > out of the question. If money is secondary, wait for a HP Gecko - > at least twice the performance of a Pentium. > >Not according to the numbers quoted from Open Systems Today here >recently. A 66 MHz Pentium has an integer performance (which is what >you care about mostly unless you do scientific simulations) of 67 >SPECint92, just in the middle between the low-end 712/60 at 58 >SPECint92 and the high-end 712/80 at 84 SPECint92. I did not want to compare numbers - they can tell anything or nothing. What I meant with 25 % performance increase is the feeling you have working on a Pentium NS/I machine - I don't have one, but that is the common sense of most people who do. I know of Pentium systems reporting 50 - 55 VAX-Mips with NXBench. My DX/2 gets 40. There may be some tasks where a Pentium may be significantly faster, but for everday's work I wouldn't mind the difference between a P5/60 and a DX2/66, if I consider the difference in price. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Intel aside. --- Waiting for the HP Gecko !!!
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,nwu.general,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New system buying: need advice Date: 8 Feb 1994 12:16:39 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2j7san$et@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2ior42$qt3@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <2j3kmc$h57@news.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit gof@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gerald Fountain) writes: >Just a few comments :-) >In article <2ivkor$10e@marsu.tynet.sub.org>, >Markus Wenzel <mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org> wrote: >>Why a Local Bus if you have PCI? The ATI GUP PCI already works, some smart >Point of clarification: PCI is a "local bus" type. There are two competing >standards. VESA (which will do 64-bit memory in rev 2.0) and PCI (Intel). Of course PCI is a "local bus", but in common speak people don't refer to PCI as local bus, local bus has become almost a synonym for Vesa local bus. Excuse my misunderstanding. >>>6). 450 M hard drive (not necessarily very fast one), IDE or SCSI >>Forget IDE. >Tsk, Tsk. COST is a factor. For now IDE might be a viable choice as the >cost of the controller is significantly less. But since we are also looking >for a SCSI CD-ROM (higher cost but a better choice IMHO), the added cost of >the SCSI controller is justified. IDE drives are fast, and the data transfer >rate can be *very* good off of a decent local bus (PCI/VESA) card. Just make >sure whatever SCSI adapter you get is supported directly by NeXT-Step and >has all the drivers you need to support the CD-ROM you select. If someone plans to purchase a P5/PCI system, I cannot see why IDE vs. SCSI is a question of cost. A good PCI board has a NCR SCSI controller onboard. And big and fast SCSI-II disks are available at reasonable prices. >Do not underestimate the speed of a drive. In a unix type environment (like >NeXT-Step), the speed of a drive can be very apparent. When you *do* swap >(and you will), access time and transfer rate become significant and >noticeable. Of course! The brand new DEC DSP and Seagate Barracuda drives *scream*. I've got about doubled my disk I/O throughput with a DEC DSP3053 compared to the former Fujitsu 2624. Show me one IDE drive/controller combination that can compete with it (DrivePerformance Index about 1.55). -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Intel aside. --- Waiting for the HP Gecko !!!
From: zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: pls help -- can't run DOOM on black Date: 9 Feb 1994 23:35:02 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2jbrv6$bna@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <CKz8t9.J0n@walter.bellcore.com> In article <CKz8t9.J0n@walter.bellcore.com> ddp@cc.bellcore.com writes: >So I was all excited to try out this 'way cool' game that everyone's >been talking about. But when I tried to run it I got an Error pop-up >window with this message: >W_GetNumForName:PNAMES not found! >Specifics: >NeXTColor Station >NS 3.0 First of all, I think you need at least NS3.1, don't you? Regardless, I had the same error. I think there is something wrong with the Uncompress option of the Workspace File menu in NS3.0 and 3.1 because when I uncompressed Doom.compressed, I got the error. But then I re-downloaded the file from the ftp site, went to a Unix prompt, and renamed the compressed file to Doom.tar.Z, then did an uncompress, then tar -xvf on the resulting file, it unpacked properly, and worked. Try that! Eric
From: spowers@next14 (Shawn M. Powers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DOOM Help!!!! Date: 9 Feb 1994 23:26:13 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Message-ID: <2jbrel$5dg@mtu.edu> I just got an account with NeXT lab, so of course the first thing I want to do is play games, but I have no idea how to uncompress a .compressed file! Perhaps this may seem silly, but I have almost 3Megs of useless space taken up on the drive, I would at least like to get my account taken away for playing, not just storing... Anyway, I just don't know how to uncompress it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Shawn
From: Trevor Pokorney <tp1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP!! Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:33:01 -0500 Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <khKL_h600YUo0K6msX@andrew.cmu.edu> I am having some problems with the boot procedure on my NeXT which is running 3.0. After the regular boot test and checks, but before the login window appears, I have about a 5 minute lag. This would not bother me too much, but I am also haing problems playing sound on the DSP. The two problems arose at at the same time so I assume that they are related. Has anyone had similar problems? Or, more importantly, has anyone solved similar problems? Thanks, Trevor
From: jason_fosback@psca.com (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: DOOM problem: STBAR not found Date: 9 Feb 1994 23:38:58 GMT Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <2jbs6i$ipd@ftp-p.mccaw.com> Like many people, I grabbed the latest version of Doom off the archives yesterday. I was very excited that it was FAT, but I was more excited that I could get all of the levels by copying the DOS doom.wad file into the NeXTSTEP app wraper. Well, I replaced doom1.wad with the full doom.wad (calling it doom1.wad). Things looked promising, and Doom reported that I had a registered version. But then, I got the following error during the status bar initialization: W_GetNumForName: STBAR Not Found! What's the scoop with this? The only thing I can think of is that the DOS version of Doom is 1.1, and the NeXTSTEP version is 1.2. Anyone know what the scoop is? Thanks! -jason ____________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, Systems Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it --- Paradigm Systems Corp --- | -R&S Internet: jason.fosback@psca.com | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jason.fosback@psca.com | The NeXT Generation...
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT-Sun deal in February Advanced Systems Date: 10 Feb 1994 00:10:43 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jbu23$m7f@gap.caltech.edu> Advanced Systems is what used to be SunWorld. They also reviewed the new Gecko systems and compared PowerPC and the Pentium. They basically were very positive. The only piece of real news (to me) was the comment: "Note that NeXT Chairman & CEO Steve Jobs confirmed that NeXT is negotiating an OpenStep license with HewlettPackard". Of course, this was pre-Taligent, so it may have fallen through. Some quotes: "Sun will ship with the single version of the Solaris OS with two distinct 'standard' development einvornments [CDE & OpenStep] that will interoperate...Both will use the X11/DPS display environment, and both will be built on top of the DOE Object System." - that last is presumably a CORBA-compliant equivalent to the plumbing in PDO. "By co-optings NeXT's eight years of development effort, Sun gets the most highly praised development environment in the industry and saves itself at least two years of intensive work." They claim NeXT will port PDO's to SunOS [not Solaris], but SunSoft has not committed to providing PDOs on Solaris prior to OpenStep. [I think SunOS is the server, and Solaris is the client/desktop version] "NeXT spokespeople say...if you avoid operating system calls [on NeXTSTEP], then your application should port very easily." They also say that the SunSoft UI will probably look different than NeXTSTEP. "...CDE... will be our user interface of choice." according to SunSoft. And you know what else? They actually got the NeXT's capitalization correct! - Ernie P. -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus' sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: machang@random.uchicago.edu (Andrew ChinKwang Chang) Subject: Help: Literature/Recipes display inside Librarian Message-ID: <1994Feb10.030536.9726@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 03:05:36 GMT For anyone does not know the Literatuer/Recipes, it is a collection of recipes from alt.recipes(?). It was submitted to the archive with some other literature files. Here my question is: Has anyone successfully displayed Literature/Recipes from Librarian? I tried this as the ".displayCommand": tbl (or cat) %s | rcshow but it does not work. I can use "tbl "filename" | rcshow" to open that file on the screen. Any thoughts? Thanks -- Andrew C. Chang (NeXT mail welcome) Graduate School of Business, University of Chicago, Chicago, IL 60637 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- * It is always good when a man has two irons in the fire. * * -JOHN FLETCHER * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu (Kurt Oldenburg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: X-Term program for a cube Date: 10 Feb 1994 04:44:26 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2jce3a$7j6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> It there a program available that will allow a cube to run as an X-terminal? If so where can one obtain it from? -- Kurt Oldenburg | "I can't remember anything | Can't tell if this is true or dream | Deep down inside I feel to scream oldenbrg@bozo.scs.uiuc.edu | This terrible silence stops me..." --Metallica
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: Capturing Color screens on Mono black hardware Message-ID: <1994Feb9.215756.3956@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <2j8i6n$pfa@hpscit.sc.hp.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:57:56 GMT What I'd really like to see is a screen capture that dumped PostScript or anything greater than 92 DPI with the full understanding that the resulting output could be large. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting In article <2j8i6n$pfa@hpscit.sc.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: > In article <2j87m2$gsv@rosie.next.com>, Ali Ozer <Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com> wrote: > >In article <2j73nb$j9o@hpscit.sc.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: > >> ... I wonder still, could I write my own > >> program to capture the screen in color without using the frame- > >> buffer? > >Yes, you can do that. In fact, the program to do this would be pretty small. > > Great. This will be a nice getaway from the stuff that I'm doing > at work. 'Course, I'm not going to write this at work... > > >ps. Rumor has it that the 2.0 version of Grab (/NextDeveloper/Demos) can do > >color screen grabs > > I have a black box with NS versions from 1.0 through 3.2. I > think I'll try to write the program first and then check out Grab > on NS2.0. Thanks a bunch. > > > Ken > -- > Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street M/S 20BJ > Corporate Financial Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304-1112 USA > Core Application Technologies 1.415.857.3230 Fax 1.415.852.8026
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) Subject: Re: Is there a DOOM version for black (040) hardware? Message-ID: <CL0M2L.IFv@cc.umontreal.ca> Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal References: <2j87uj$7d@alf.uib.no> <2j8te2$848@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <ME.94Feb9140931@nextix.muc.de> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 15:37:32 GMT Tobias Hoellrich (me@nextix.muc.de) wrote: : In article <2j8te2$848@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> icardena@dcl-nxt09 (Ian Patrick Cardenas) writes: : > It is my understanding that the black version of DOOM will be : > available "before summer." Someone posted this information claiming : > that this was a quote from ID themselves. : Wrong! : It's already "before summer"! : Check cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions/Doom1_2_FAT.compressed : (2961141 bytes) : Ciao : Tobias Wrong! (ok, right) But it is not a finished product -- they still have to add a very important feature... Sound. They say it will be done in two months from now when they might have some time to work more on the NeXT version. Thus, : > It is my understanding that the black version of DOOM will be : > available "before summer." -- kosmatoo@jsp.umontreal.ca
From: spb@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Steven Berry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: DOOM problem: STBAR not found Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Date: 10 Feb 1994 18:04:46 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Message-ID: <2jdsvu$lou@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <2jbs6i$ipd@ftp-p.mccaw.com> Jason Fosback (jason_fosback@psca.com) wrote: : Like many people, I grabbed the latest version of Doom off the archives : yesterday. I was very excited that it was FAT, but I was more excited : that I could get all of the levels by copying the DOS doom.wad file into : the NeXTSTEP app wraper. : Well, I replaced doom1.wad with the full doom.wad (calling it doom1.wad). : Things looked promising, and Doom reported that I had a registered : version. But then, I got the following error during the status bar : initialization: : W_GetNumForName: STBAR Not Found! : What's the scoop with this? The only thing I can think of is that the DOS : version of Doom is 1.1, and the NeXTSTEP version is 1.2. : Anyone know what the scoop is? : Thanks! : -jason : ____________________________________________________________ : Jason Fosback, Systems Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it : --- Paradigm Systems Corp --- | -R&S : Internet: jason.fosback@psca.com | Star Trek: : NeXT mail: jason.fosback@psca.com | The NeXT Generation... Fuzzo The problem is that you're a gomer. G! Spiffo
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems compiling macutil 2.0b1 on NS3.2 Date: 10 Feb 1994 22:50:26 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen Message-ID: <2jea72$63p@alf.uib.no> Not being fluent in C, I have no idea how to get this to compile cleanly (or at all). No smart answers like "type make"... ;-) Here is where it stopped: (cd fileio; make CF='-DBSD -DTYPES_H -DDIRENT_H -DNODOT -DLATIN1 -DNOMKDIR') cc -O -DBSD -DTYPES_H -DDIRENT_H -DNODOT -DLATIN1 -DNOMKDIR -c wrfile.c cc -O -DBSD -DTYPES_H -DDIRENT_H -DNODOT -DLATIN1 -DNOMKDIR -c rdfile.c rdfile.c:641: undefined type, found `DIR' *** Exit 1 Stop. *** Exit 1 Stop. The function in question is this: static void enter_dir() { DIR *directory; struct dirstruct *curentry; FILE *fd; int n, j, namlen; int listsize, cursize; char *filetable; filelist *new_files; I tried on a SunOS 4.1.3 system, and it reported no errors (well, not here anyway :-) Please e-mail suggestions. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Encryption? Message-ID: <1994Feb10.221221.1688@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <0hK347m00iV5I=SeUJ@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 22:12:21 GMT In article <0hK347m00iV5I=SeUJ@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 7-Feb-94 Re: Encryption? by > Thomas Funke@zelator.de > > But I have a question: Why is it obviously quite legal to export Unix > > systems with password encryption ? The unix password encyption routine > > crypt() may be cracked, but definitely this is non trival. So what ? Put > > Steve Jobs into jail ? > > The routines user to encrypt passwords uses a "one-way" encryption > scheme that never is decrypted. Instead, attempted passwords are > encrypted and compared to the previously encrypted password and the > attempt is accepted if the encrypted passwords match. > > Since these routines are almost useless to act as a data encryption > mechanism, they probably don't fall under the government export > restrictions. A logical answer. The same also applies to "more secure" algorithms. In fact, many other Unix systems (e.g. SCO) do not include the normal crypt in export versions. This was certainly true a couple of years ago, and I believe still applies. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Subject: Family Tree programs? Message-ID: <CL0H51.1F2@cvbnet.CV.COM> Sender: usenet@cvbnet.CV.COM (News Account ) Organization: Computervision Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:51:01 GMT hi! Does anyone know of any good programs for creating and maintaining Family Trees? Running under Unix/NextStep/X would be better, but I'd like to know about other platforms too if that's what's available... Thanks. -- Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730-1486 fax: (617) 275-8506
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: Re: pls help -- can't run DOOM on black Message-ID: <CL0v6y.8Ht@chemelex.com> Sender: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation References: <CKz8t9.J0n@walter.bellcore.com> Distribution: ba,na,usa,world Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 18:54:33 GMT Same error, anyhelp out there? David D. Pascua writes > > So I was all excited to try out this 'way cool' game that everyone's > been talking about. But when I tried to run it I got an Error pop-up > window with this message: > W_GetNumForName:PNAMES not found! > > Anyone want to help out this poor DOOM-less NeXT fan out? > > Specifics: > NeXTColor Station > NS 3.0 > > -Dave > ddp@cc.bellcore.com -- Fred Schenkelberg
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Please, Scott & All Posters, Use More Care (was posted to comp.sys.next.announce) Date: 10 Feb 1994 23:57:14 -0500 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jf37a$fak@digifix.digifix.com> [Folks, this was posted to announce, but I don't think its appropriate for that group. I am posting it here, with my response... Scott] ----------------------------- From: irving@happy-man.com (Irving_Wolfe) To: comp-sys-next-announce@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Please, Scott & All Posters, Use More Care Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 19:16:19 -0800 Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@happy-man.com Organization: Happy Man Corp, 4410 Pt Robinson, Vashon, WA 98070 206/463-9399 Apparently-To: comp-sys-next-announce@uunet.uucp Three files I requested by non-interactive ftp today after their specific mention in this group turned out not to exist! Files with very similar names (in one case, with "_" instead of "." for one character and in two others, with the version number included in the filename though it was omitted in the filename posted here) did exist, and I eventually was able to grab them, but there's no excuse for being such a slob! If you say "cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions/x.y.z" then that ought to be the right name. And if it isn't, then the Moderator ought to catch it, because it would only take him a few minutes a day to verify all these, while in the aggregate it take his readers many, many hours. Thanks, though, to the many people recently who have included source code, as a separate archive, in addition to their object code. Besides being far more educational, these are a tiny fraction of the size, provide some ability to fix or improve the product to its users, and give some security benefits. It seems that source code posting is on the increase, and I applaud it! It's against the Next philosophy, in a sense, which borrowed from Brad Cox' idiotic idea that we should all be willing to trust each other's binary software "chips". But it's right! -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 In SOLID VALUE, we show intelligent investors under-priced stocks Printed Info Free: Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com ----------------------------------- My Response: Irving... I receive between 20 and 30 emails every day with regards to comp.sys.next.announce. Some are simple postings, others are people looking for older messages, and then there are just some plain strange requests. Some messages require EXTENSIVE editing in order to make them readable by a wider range of news readers. I make sure that most lines don't extend beyond 80 columns... I let people know if they are consistently sending in messages that need editing, so we can work together to make my job easier. I don't get paid to do this. In fact there are times where it interferes with my real work. It costs me disk space, bandwidth, and time. In certain cases, aggravation. All I get from this is the occasional thanks from people. Doing this actually costs me money every month. However, I wouldn't give it up. I do check many of the submission paths... but I can't be held responsible for these kinds of errors. There are times that I have held announcements back until I'm sure that the submission is there. I will fax a company if it seems important. I don't have time to check them all. If you don't like it... sorry. There is however no reason to call me or anyone else a slob! You are talking about free software here. I'm aware this is a pet-peave of yours, but I'm afraid, unless you would like to start paying me to do this, there will be times that things are going to slip through. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org (Bruno Brottier) Subject: Re: Black White and ???? Message-ID: <1994Feb7.185146.14150@icare.fdn.org> Sender: news@icare.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Levallois, France. References: <CKLF71.s1@friday.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 18:51:46 GMT In article <CKLF71.s1@friday.com> bbum@friday.com writes: > > So, NeXT '040 hardware is "Black" > Intel hardware is "White" > > What is the gecko? > "Real?" CREAM ! --------------------------- Bruno Brottier 37 rue Chaptal 92300 LEVALLOIS PERRET E-mail: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org -- [NeXTmail] ---------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Thierry.Desbois@metasoft.fdn.org Subject: Curious problem with the npd (next printer) daemon Message-ID: <1994Feb10.110813.5012@metasoft.fdn.org> Sender: news@metasoft.fdn.org Organization: Metasoft - Rennes, France. Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 11:08:13 GMT [System : NS/FIP 3.2 - Connected to a local "NS supported" HP Printer and a YP Sun server] : The root user could not print a file and the message below appears in the console window : my_host npd[204]: /usr/lib/NextPrinter/npd-lpr of my_file - / exited status = 1 Other users could print the same file without problem or message Has anyone already seen that ? Thanks for help... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thierry Desbois Tel: (+33) 99 31 68 00 Fax:(+33) 99 35 00 45 Metasoft ted@metasoft.fdn.org [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Please, Scott & All Posters, Use More Care (was posted to comp.sys.next.announce) Date: 11 Feb 1994 11:00:57 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2jfoh9$iv@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2jf37a$fak@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >From: irving@happy-man.com (Irving_Wolfe)>To: comp-sys-next-announce@uunet.UU.NET >Subject: Please, Scott & All Posters, Use More Care >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 19:16:19 -0800 >Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@happy-man.com >Organization: Happy Man Corp, 4410 Pt Robinson, Vashon, WA 98070 206/463-9399 >Apparently-To: comp-sys-next-announce@uunet.uucp >If you say "cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions/x.y.z" then that >ought to be the right name. And if it isn't, then the Moderator >ought to catch it, because it would only take him a few minutes a >day to verify all these, while in the aggregate it take his readers >many, many hours. Why is it necessary for the moderator to perform this _Service_. He's a volunteer and already does a bang up job of getting information out on time. I do not see it being his responsbility to check each and every archive submission to ensure filenames are correct. If you are use an archive-server then I suggest that you get into the habbit of getting a directory before making any file requests. > >Thanks, though, to the many people recently who have included >source code, as a separate archive, in addition to their object >code. Hello Michael :-) -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Date: 11 Feb 1994 12:41:12 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2jfud8$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> Joe, I've received no response from you with regard to my report on problems that exist in send_attach. I just wanted to make sure that you and others are aware of them. send_attach is a terrific command line NeXTMAIL utility. However, it has what I consider a few flaws. The most important being that it doesn't support long filenames. ie. if you try to NeXTMAIL somebody something with deep nested directories it aint gonna work. For the following reason. robert:/Users/robert>strings /usr/local/bin/attach | grep tar .tar.%d.%s.attach /bin/tar cf - tar_file_name /bin/tar is _not_ gnu tar. The repucutions of this are very serious. Note: NeXT made a similar mistake in the makefiles supplied in 3.1. Project Builder will fail to properly install deeply nested projects. robert:/Users/robert>grep -i tar /NextDeveloper/Makefiles/app/common.make TAR = /bin/tar 3.2 will have /usr/bin/gnutar for good reason. ---- The serious stuff out of the way, I'd like to make a feature request. It would also be useful is send_attach would provide an option to archive mail. ie. via the traditional Outgoing.mbox -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: info@absystems.com (Advanced Business Systems) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Date: 11 Feb 1994 14:15:29 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jg3u1$n86@inxs.concert.net> References: <2jfud8$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2jfud8$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > Joe, I've received no response from you with regard to my report on > problems that exist in send_attach. I just wanted to make sure that > you and others are aware of them. > Joe, who lives in our local area, I am told is doing some contract work out of state. We, too, have been trying to reach him for days. I assume mail to "joe@freemansoft.com" is not bouncing, so you may wish to patiently load up his mailbox. Dave -- Advanced Business Systems (919) 682-8553 [Voice] A NeXTSTEP-only Reseller (919) 682-1126 [Fax] NeXT Object Channel Membership Pending info@absystems.com NeXTmail Warmly Accepted ******A proud Authorized Reseller for: Data General, Digital and Intel****** Specializing in NeXTSTEP Systems Integration and Office Automation
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ian@ohm.york.ac.uk (I Stephenson) Subject: Re: DOOM problem: STBAR not found Message-ID: <1994Feb10.101920.4325@ohm.york.ac.uk> Sender: ian@ohm.york.ac.uk (D I Stephenson) Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK References: <2jbs6i$ipd@ftp-p.mccaw.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 10:19:20 GMT In article <2jbs6i$ipd@ftp-p.mccaw.com> jason_fosback@psca.com (Jason Fosback) writes: > Well, I replaced doom1.wad with the full doom.wad (calling it doom1.wad). > Things looked promising, and Doom reported that I had a registered > version. But then, I got the following error during the status bar > initialization: > > W_GetNumForName: STBAR Not Found! During initializaion of the refresh deamon on the standard shareware verion I get the similar: W_GetNumForName: PNAMES not found! Help! [we've got one PC thats already playing Doom, but there are loads of NeXTS just begging for a network game]. Ian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Please, Scott & All Posters, Use More Care (was posted to comp.sys.next.announce) Message-ID: <1994Feb11.160300.22255@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <2jf37a$fak@digifix.digifix.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:03:00 GMT In article <2jf37a$fak@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com writes: >[Folks, this was posted to announce, but I don't think its >appropriate for that >group. I am posting it here, with my response... Scott] > >----------------------------- >From: irving@happy-man.com (Irving_Wolfe)>To: comp-sys-next-announce@uunet.UU.NET >Subject: Please, Scott & All Posters, Use More Care >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 19:16:19 -0800 >Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@happy-man.com >Organization: Happy Man Corp, 4410 Pt Robinson, Vashon, WA 98070 206/463-9399 >Apparently-To: comp-sys-next-announce@uunet.uucp > >Three files I requested by non-interactive ftp today after their >specific mention in this group turned out not to exist! Files with >very similar names (in one case, with "_" instead of "." for one >character and in two others, with the version number included in >the filename though it was omitted in the filename posted here) did >exist, and I eventually was able to grab them, but there's no >excuse for being such a slob! > This epithet is uncalled for! Scott is doing a great job. Are you willing to take over for him? I'm sure you could do a better job and all, but are willing to take on the responsibility? The moderating c.s.n.announce is something I believe we all take for granted and I think we should all give thanks to Scott for taking on this thankless task instead of slamming the poor guy. Three cheers for Scott! >-- > Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 > Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 > In SOLID VALUE, we show intelligent investors under-priced stocks >Printed Info Free: Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com > >----------------------------------- > >My Response: > > Irving... > > I receive between 20 and 30 emails every day with regards to >comp.sys.next.announce. Some are simple postings, others are people looking >for older messages, and then there are just some plain strange requests. > > Some messages require EXTENSIVE editing in order to make them >readable by a wider range of news readers. I make sure that most >lines don't extend beyond 80 columns... I let people know if they are >consistently sending in messages that need editing, so we can work >together to make my job easier. I suggest TickleServices by Scott Hess. I think it would help make your job easier in this regard. (I tried to make my posting 70 columns) > I don't get paid to do this. In fact there are times where it >interferes with my real work. It costs me disk space, bandwidth, and >time. In certain cases, aggravation. All I get from this is the >occasional thanks from people. Doing this actually costs me money >every month. However, I wouldn't give it up. Again thanks for all your fine work. I will buy you a beer (or the beverage of your choice) at NWExpo in reward of your fine service (if you're there, of course). > I do check many of the submission paths... but I can't be held >responsible for these kinds of errors. There are times that I have held >announcements back until I'm sure that the submission is there. I >will fax a company if it seems important. > > I don't have time to check them all. If you don't like it... sorry. >There is however no reason to call me or anyone else a slob! You are >talking about free software here. Not to mention a free service (WRT to moderation) > I'm aware this is a pet-peave of yours, but I'm afraid, unless you >would like to start paying me to do this, there will be times that >things are going to slip through. > > > >-- >- Scott Anguish - >sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) >next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions) > This is not a slam directed at Irving, either, BTW. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Message-ID: <2#&@byu.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 10:47:16 MST From: yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <2jf37a$fak@digifix.digifix.com> <2jfoh9$iv@steffi.demon.co.uk> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: Please, Scott & All Posters, Use More Care (was posted to comp.sys.next.announce) In article <2jfoh9$iv@steffi.demon.co.uk>, robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >>From: irving@happy-man.com (Irving_Wolfe) > >>If you say "cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions/x.y.z" then that >>ought to be the right name. And if it isn't, then the Moderator >>ought to catch it, because it would only take him a few minutes a >>day to verify all these, while in the aggregate it take his readers >>many, many hours. > >Why is it necessary for the moderator to perform this _Service_. He's >a volunteer and already does a bang up job of getting information out >on time. I do not see it being his responsbility to check each and >every archive submission to ensure filenames are correct. If you are >use an archive-server then I suggest that you get into the habbit of >getting a directory before making any file requests. Not to mention that, as Scott says, he already _does_ try to do this, whenever he can do so. That's nearly always. But, and I know this for a fact, he occasionally gets swamped and does not have enough time to be as thorough as he would like. And occasionally he has net troubles from his provider, or the phone company (right, Scott? :-) ) and that aggravates his difficulties. Given that he performs this service for free, I think he does an absolutely terriffic job and am quite grateful for the service he performs. It is quite appreciated by others, too, I'm sure. As to getting filenames right, I agree that in an ideal world, this should be happening. IMHO, this is the poster's responsibility. I take it very seriously when I post to the announce group, and I try to make sure that the files are exactly as I say before sending the post. If the authors would do that it would be great. But, it is free software, and we ought to be grateful it's there at all...there's no point in complaining. To do so seems so...ungrateful. Anyway, I'd like to publically thank Scott for the time he puts in. -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing. don@darth.byu.edu (My NeXT at home. Send me NeXTMail. Pleeeease.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: burns@bellcore.com (James E. Burns) Subject: Re: pls help -- can't run DOOM on black In-Reply-To: ddp@cc.bellcore.com's message of Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:53:32 GMT Message-ID: <BURNS.94Feb11125039@wildcat.bellcore.com> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Organization: /burns/.organization References: <CKz8t9.J0n@walter.bellcore.com> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 17:50:39 GMT >So I was all excited to try out this 'way cool' game that everyone's >been talking about. But when I tried to run it I got an Error pop-up >window with this message: >W_GetNumForName:PNAMES not found! I got a similar error when I first tried DOOM -- I had an incomplete file. It took me three tries to get a complete version of DOOM. If you didn't get the full 2961141 bytes you need to download it again. (Is anyone interested in splitting up this rather large file to allow more reliable downloading?) jim burns -- James E. Burns burns@nova.bellcore.com Bellcore, NVC-3X114 Off: (908) 758-2819 331 Newman Springs Road Fax: (908) 758-4371 Red Bank, NJ 07701-5699, USA Home: (908) 219-6561
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Date: 11 Feb 1994 18:22:17 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jgicp$lcj@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2jfud8$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2jfud8$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >Joe, I've received no response from you with regard to my report on >problems that exist in send_attach. I just wanted to make sure that >you and others are aware of them. > >send_attach is a terrific command line NeXTMAIL utility. However, >it has what I consider a few flaws. > >The most important being that it doesn't support long filenames. ie. >if you try to NeXTMAIL somebody something with deep nested directories >it aint gonna work. Use the PERL script version which you can modify to fix this problem and add more features. As it is, it can only include one attachment but that also can easily be enhanced to do multiple enclosures. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: jason_fosback@psca.com (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DOOM problem: STBAR not found Date: 11 Feb 1994 18:07:31 GMT Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <2jghh3$o5p@ftp-p.mccaw.com> References: <1994Feb10.101920.4325@ohm.york.ac.uk> In article <1994Feb10.101920.4325@ohm.york.ac.uk> ian@ohm.york.ac.uk (I Stephenson) writes: > During initializaion of the refresh deamon on the standard shareware verion I > get the similar: > > W_GetNumForName: PNAMES not found! > > Help! > [we've got one PC thats already playing Doom, but there are loads of NeXTS > just begging for a network game]. > > Ian This is because you're doing one of the following: * Trying to use the full doom.wad with the original BETA Doom * Trying to use the new doom1.wad from version 1.2 with the old BETA version of Doom From what I've heard, we need to patch the DOS doom.wad with a patch program that's supposed to be available soon. This will bring the DOS version up to version 1.2. This *should* fix our problems. My suggestion for now would be to grab Doom1_2_FAT.compressed again off of cs.orst.edu. -jason ____________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, Systems Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it --- Paradigm Systems Corp --- | -R&S Internet: jason.fosback@psca.com | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jason.fosback@psca.com | The NeXT Generation...
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Date: 11 Feb 1994 19:54:19 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2jgnpb$2ht@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2jfud8$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> <2jgicp$lcj@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >In article <2jfud8$vv@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >>Joe, I've received no response from you with regard to my report on >>problems that exist in send_attach. I just wanted to make sure that >>you and others are aware of them. >> >>send_attach is a terrific command line NeXTMAIL utility. However, >>it has what I consider a few flaws. >> >>The most important being that it doesn't support long filenames. ie. >>if you try to NeXTMAIL somebody something with deep nested directories >>it aint gonna work. > >Use the PERL script version which you can modify to fix this problem >and add more features. As it is, it can only include one attachment >but that also can easily be enhanced to do multiple enclosures. Yes that's an idea once I find the time to read the Camel book. For now Joe has covered the basics very well. ie. multiple files etc. I have both but I use Joe's in preference. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: nlau@sct.edu (Neric Lau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT "FUCK UP" ? Message-ID: <2jh2m5$24eb@st6000.sct.edu> Date: 11 Feb 94 23:00:21 GMT Organization: Southern College of Technology, Atlanta I am writing a research paper on why Next computer fail on the workstation market. anyone outthere can send me the information about the good and bad thingon NeXT. Please send the information to nlau@st6000.sct.edu Neric Lau
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Date: 11 Feb 1994 23:23:10 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jh40u$sa7@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2jgnpb$2ht@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2jgnpb$2ht@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >>>The most important being that it doesn't support long filenames. ie. >>>if you try to NeXTMAIL somebody something with deep nested directories >>>it aint gonna work. >> >>Use the PERL script version which you can modify to fix this problem >>and add more features. As it is, it can only include one attachment >>but that also can easily be enhanced to do multiple enclosures. > >Yes that's an idea once I find the time to read the Camel book. For >now Joe has covered the basics very well. ie. multiple files etc. > >I have both but I use Joe's in preference. Come on. You don't need a book to do that. All you need is one example script that takes multiple file arguments. Then you can just paste in code. My vote is for the perl version because it is in source form. AAAND, I can run it on Suns or any other Unix boxes that have perl. It just works without any compiles, and works now. That's a definite plus. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu (randal rencsok) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with TranSys SLIP_920904 on NeXT Date: 12 Feb 1994 01:10:54 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <2jhaau$15s2@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Summary: Help needed with SLIP Keywords: TransSys SLIP_920904, Annex, NeXT Hello, I am trying to get Transys SLIP_920904 working on a NeXT using a Zyxel modem going through a annex server. It seems that I get a working connection (i.e. the login script shows no errors) I can ping via name or IP address sucessfully. But when I try to do a telnet or ftp through a terminal session my terminal just stops after f trying n.m.o.p... Connected to n.m.o.p. Escape character is '^]' and here it just sits.. for at least a min or two. yet when I do a netstat -ar I get info immediatly. I have tried many different machines all to no avail, even the nameserver. But I can't seem to login or get through. I havn't tried Newsgrazer or Mosaic since it seems pointless if I can't login.. here is my netstat -in Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs Coll en0* 1500 none none 0 0 0 0 0 lo0 1536 127 127.0.0.1 1944 0 1944 0 0 slip0 1006 35 35.8.204.100 2473 54 323 0 0 slip1 1006 none none 0 0 0 0 0 en0* 1500 none none 0 0 0 0 0 and when I'm connected (after many telnet failures) ascended:14# netstat -ar Routing tables Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Interface bohr.cem.msu.edu bohr.cem.msu.edu UGHD 0 1 slip0 serv1.cl.msu.edu serv1.cl.msu.edu UGHD 0 166 slip0 192.42.172.1 localhost UH 0 0 slip0 localhost localhost UH 6 1972 lo0 via-annex1-2.cl. via-annex1-2.cl.ms UGHD 0 78 slip0 annex1.cl.msu.ed via-annex1-20.cl.m UH 0 0 slip0 titan.cem.msu.ed titan.cem.msu.edu UGHD 0 10 slip0 default cicnet-gw.msu.edu UG 0 71 slip0 If anyone is using the TransSys SLIP_920904 on a NeXT through a annex server that is partitioning IP addresses on a per call basis (i.e. you have to ifconfig the the interface). I would appreciate it if you could enlighten me a bit as I can't figure out why ping will work yet telnet will not! Perhaps I'm doing something totally stupid and someone will be able to clear up my problem easily. Thanks, Randy Rencsok
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: NeXT printer and envelopes. Date: 12 Feb 1994 03:18:38 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen Message-ID: <2jhe9u$f4t@alf.uib.no> References: <2j1d9i$hcr@alf.uib.no> <HZSLBE7I@gwdu03.gwdg.de> In article <HZSLBE7I@gwdu03.gwdg.de>, Stephan Trebels <trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de> wrote: >Thor Legvold (edmtl@alf.uib.no) wrote: >> Thanks for all the suggestions. The basic consensus is that the >> NeXT printer does not handle envelopes well... > >Sorry, that's not true. There are apps, that handle envelopes >well like Poste or InTouch or the like. Just because some people >have found a kludge, and you didn't manage to find a better way, >doesn't say there is no solution. > Once more - the _NeXTprinter_ (not apps, not NeXTStep, but the HARDWARE itself) does not handle envelopes well. I have received enough e-mail to verify this. However, I have been trying to feed the envelopes in top first, not sideways as you suggest - that may indeed work, and when I find a way to make some app print rotated text (to match a rotated envelope :-) I'll try it. > >p.s. why didn't you once try one of these ps files from InTouch >or Poste? You could have analyzed them, and perhaps you would >have found a real solution. I don't know exactly what's going on, >but perhaps it's just the boundingbox in the ps file (the paper type >is still a4.), as I didn't find anything else in the file, and I >don't have the time to try all possibilities. Again, this addresses printing 90% rotated PS - I shall look at it when I get the time, but it does not help the NP to pull an envelope all the way through. Putting the envelope in sideways might. >p.p.s. please don't be too upset, but I don't like this kind of >postings. You had other info, but you didn't use it, you rather >posted info, that's wrong :-( Would be terrible if some normal I'm not upset - I'm posting _my_ experience + what I have been told and advised by _many_ other users, only one of which was yourself (who has better experience with NeXTprinter than most :-) >user of a NL reads your article, and really thinks, that's the only >way to print envelopes. Sometimes NeXT hardware is strange, but their >h/w s/w engineers were not lunatic. I love my NeXT - even if the cube is dead! >p.p.p.s. No, I did not write Poste, nor do I have any personal >interest in it. I use it three to four times a year, but that's it. >And remember, I did *not* say, you should use/buy/... Poste, >I wanted you to try, what's the contents of a ps file, that prints >correctly on an envelope. I'll try it. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: NeXT printer and envelopes. Date: 12 Feb 1994 02:57:31 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <2jhgir$59e@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <2j1d9i$hcr@alf.uib.no> <HZSLBE7I@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <2jhe9u$f4t@alf.uib.no> In article <2jhe9u$f4t@alf.uib.no>, Thor Legvold <edmtl@alf.uib.no> wrote: >feed the envelopes in top first, not sideways as you suggest - >that may indeed work [...] >told and advised by _many_ other users, only one of which was >yourself (who has better experience with NeXTprinter than most :-) Hmm, I've printed many envelopes using my NeXT LaserPrinter without incident. I feed it length wise. At work, we have envelope feeders and they all feed length wise, never top first. Use an app such as Poste or MindOverMail. Here's another one who has had great experience with using the NeXT 400dpi LaserPrinter printing envelopes. Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street M/S 20BJ Corporate Financial Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304-1112 USA Core Application Technologies 1.415.857.3230 Fax 1.415.852.8026
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: Problems compiling macutil 2.0b1 on NS3.2 Message-ID: <1994Feb12.022808.4346@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <2jea72$63p@alf.uib.no> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 02:28:08 GMT First, a disclaimer: I have no idea what "macutil" is and I have not tested nor examined the following code in detail. Now, about your compilation problem: The problem is that the compiler can't find the following DIR structure typedef declaration: /* * Definitions for library routines operating on directories. */ #if defined(_POSIX_SOURCE) || defined(_NEXT_SOURCE) typedef struct _dirdesc { int dd_fd; long dd_loc; long dd_size; /* SUN_VFS */ long dd_bbase; long dd_entno; long dd_bsize; char *dd_buf; /* SUN_VFS */ /* char dd_buf[DIRBLKSIZ]; SUN_VFS */ } DIR; #endif /* _POSIX_SOURCE || _NEXT_SOURCE */ so in order for the program to include this: Create a file in the source directory called "dirent.h" with the following contents: #include <sys/dir.h> #define dirent direct and in the Makefile, add -I. to the CFLAGS macro so the compiler will look in the current directory for additional header files. i.e. it will find the dirent.h file. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting In article <2jea72$63p@alf.uib.no> edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes: > Not being fluent in C, I have no idea how to get this to compile > cleanly (or at all). No smart answers like "type make"... ;-) > > Here is where it stopped: > > (cd fileio; make CF='-DBSD -DTYPES_H -DDIRENT_H -DNODOT -DLATIN1 -DNOMKDIR') > cc -O -DBSD -DTYPES_H -DDIRENT_H -DNODOT -DLATIN1 -DNOMKDIR -c wrfile.c > cc -O -DBSD -DTYPES_H -DDIRENT_H -DNODOT -DLATIN1 -DNOMKDIR -c rdfile.c > rdfile.c:641: undefined type, found `DIR' > *** Exit 1 > Stop. > *** Exit 1 > Stop. > > The function in question is this: > > static void enter_dir() > { > DIR *directory; > struct dirstruct *curentry; > FILE *fd; > int n, j, namlen; > int listsize, cursize; > char *filetable; > filelist *new_files; > > > I tried on a SunOS 4.1.3 system, and it reported no errors > (well, not here anyway :-) > > Please e-mail suggestions. > > Regards, > -- > Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life > NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... > University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors > Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
From: gregory@athena.mit.edu (Gregory B Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Date: 12 Feb 1994 04:42:18 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jhmna$63l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Keywords: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers ====================================================================== / _____/ _ / | / \ / / / / | Fine Portable NEXTSTEP / \ / / ___/ | Products __/ __/ _____/ __/roducts | ====================================================================== NSProducts introduces the NextBook VLB Portable NEXTSTEP Notebooks ====================================================================== NSProducts introduces today the first line of its NEXTSTEP Notebooks - The NextBook VLB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Since the advent of the Intel version of NEXTSTEP, many people have been looking forward to see a notebook machine powerful enough to allow them to use NEXTSTEP at the office, at home or on the road. NSProducts is proud to announce that the first of its NEXTSTEP Notebooks are now available: a full range of models from low cost 33MHz monochrome up to high-end 66MHz active matrix models - all suitable as workstations. Based on the same model as the Intelligent Notebook Systems VESABook series, these Notebooks come with the NEXTSTEP operating system preinstalled: you will have your machine ready to run out of the box, with the proper drivers installed from a company that is firmly committed to NEXTSTEP. Since our agreement with NeXT does not allow us to sell the academic version, please notice that academic users must purchase NEXTSTEP through their campus reseller first. They may then send us their serial number and we will ship the notebook with the academic version preinstalled. Also, purchase of the computer without any software installed will be allowed for those who have already purchased NEXTSTEP and want to install it themselves. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: gomez@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu (JL Gomez) Subject: Will it work? Message-ID: <CL2wEy.1B7@ennews.eas.asu.edu> Sender: news@ennews.eas.asu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:16:09 GMT I'm looking to uet NextStep 3.2 to run on my hardware: -Opti-495SLC 3/486 MB with 128K write-back cache -Cyrix 386DLC40 with 387 math co-processor -BusLogic BT-545S SCSI controller -Cirrus Logic 5428 VLB video -Viewsonic 15E monitor -Philips/LMS CM214 SCSI CD-ROM drive -Tandberg 3600 SCSI tape drive -Logitech Bus Mouse -16MB RAM The above configuration works fine under OS/2 2.1 and Linux. May I return NS 3.2 if it doesn't work? Thanks for the info! -- gomez@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: wfischer@bio.indiana.edu (Will Fischer) Subject: Re: SUMMARY: NeXT printer and envelopes. Message-ID: <CL3HJ8.Exx@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington References: <2jhgir$59e@hpscit.sc.hp.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 04:52:20 GMT Another data point: I have printed many, many envelopes in my NeXT laser printer: I've used Poste, InTouch, WriteNow, and a nifty perl script name of "envelope" (courtesy of Andy Rabagliati, Dave Buck and Todd Merriman). I've only had two problems: 1, an occasional failure of the envelope to feed in (giving a "paper jammed" message); 2, sometimes a full sheet from the tray will be printed instead of the envelope. I always use manual feed, and put the envelope in with the long axis parallel to the paper path. For WriteNow, I set the paper size to about 1 inch taller than the envelope, in "Landscape" mode, since the printer won't print less than 1/4 inch from the edge of the page (software issue). -------------- <-- Virtual page (from Page Layout - "Landscape" mode) |____________| | | <-- Actual envelope size | | |____________| | | -------------- Perhaps (I hesitate to suggest this) there is something mechanically wrong with your printer, or is it that you are trying to print envelopes in "Portrait" mode? I usually do put a _small_ slip of paper between the flap and the envelope, just to keep the darn thing from getting sealed. -- Will Fischer wfischer@indiana.edu (Grad Student) Department of Biology "So much time, and so little to do! Indiana University Wait. Strike that. Reverse it. Bloomington, Indiana 47401 USA Thank you." -- Willy Wonka
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SerialDriver screw up -- HELP! Date: 10 Feb 1994 23:07:37 GMT Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Sender: mow@marsu (Markus Wenzel) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jeenp$85@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <1994Feb8.172745.14622@il.us.swissbank.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <1994Feb8.172745.14622@il.us.swissbank.com>, tmeyer@il.us.swissbank.com (Tom Meyer) writes: > Configuring Device Drivers > PCPointerProbe: mouseInit failure > Using default table for BusMouse > - IoProbeDriver: No Such Device BusMouse unit 0 > Using Default table for SerialPorts > (it just hangs here) > > Any suggestions ?? If I can log into my machine remotely, is there a way > to reconfigure the machine from the command line? Can I boot off the CD > ROM .If so, what is the command to do so from the 'boot:' prompt?? (yeah, > I know, rtfm) Boot in single user mode (boot: -s), mount the NeXTSTEP CD manually, copy back /usr/Devices/* from CD and reboot with config=Default. Be sure to remove all old Instance?.table files. Regards, Markus. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Veni, vidi, NeXTSTEPi.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Florian.Gutzwiller@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) Subject: Multi-Player Doom over slow lines?! Message-ID: <CL49AL.620@eunet.ch> Sender: usenet@eunet.ch (News Administrator) Organization: EUnet Switzerland Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 14:51:56 GMT Can anybody comment on running multi-user DOOM over slow speed lines such as 19K SLIP connections or 64K leased lines? -Florian
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Message-ID: <1483@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 12 Feb 94 21:35:09 GMT References: <2jh40u$sa7@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Izumi Ohzawa writes [about send_attach stuff] > My vote is for the perl version because it is in source form. > AAAND, I can run it on Suns or any other Unix boxes that have perl. > It just works without any compiles, and works now. That's a definite plus. It only works if you have "perl", though. Is that standard on 3.1/3.2 or on Suns? Don't you have to get it from an archive and compile it? -- Glenn Reid glenn@rightbrain.com Woodside, California
From: elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcing DoomLaunch v1.0 Date: 12 Feb 1994 18:14:10 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9402130009.AA14318@proxima.com> DoomLaunch v1.0 This is a simple app to manage the command line of Doom v1.2. It worked for us locally the past two games, but as we are playing too much and coding too little, there's a good chance that there is at least one bug in this. Buy the release version of Doom for DOS and copy over the wad file...it's worth it. Ask shawng@idsoftware.com for help with this. Tell him I sent you. I should have ready a Doom map editor in about a week, given time. Bug me at elitman@proxima.com. No warrantee is provided for this software. All rights reserved. (c) 1994 Eric A. Litman. -- Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) 506.1661 Systems Engineer McLean, VA elitman+@proxima.com echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) Subject: Re: Multi-Player Doom over slow lines?! Message-ID: <1994Feb12.235857.26840@icaen.uiowa.edu> Sender: usenet@icaen.uiowa.edu (UseNet News daemon) Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa References: <CL49AL.620@eunet.ch> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 23:58:57 GMT Florian.Gutzwiller@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) writes: >Can anybody comment on running multi-user DOOM over slow speed lines such as 19K >SLIP connections or 64K leased lines? Just tried it earlier today, too slow over 14.4K SLIP lines (I was over PPP, the other guy over SLIP) With 28.8K it would probably be OK... Douglas Siebert dsiebert@isca.uiowa.edu || Smaller is better. In a .sig, at least!
From: elitman@nxstep.com (Eric Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DOOM problem: STBAR not found Date: 13 Feb 1994 01:29:05 GMT Organization: Proxima, Inc. Message-ID: <2jjvp1$j10@hecate.umd.edu> References: <1994Feb10.101920.4325@ohm.york.ac.uk> <2jghh3$o5p@ftp-p.mccaw.com> On 11 Feb 1994 18:07:31 GMT Jason Fosback (jason_fosback@psca.com) wrote: : * Trying to use the full doom.wad with the original BETA Doom : * Trying to use the new doom1.wad from version 1.2 with the old : BETA version of Doom Actually, neither of these are the case. The wad from the Dos 1.1 distribution does not work with the version (1.2) on orst. Shawn Green (shawng@idsoftware.com) can correct the problem for registered users of the DOS version. -Eric Litman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jlemon@netcom.com (Jonathan Lemon) Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Message-ID: <jlemonCL54uC.D4E@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2jh40u$sa7@agate.berkeley.edu> <1483@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 02:13:23 GMT In article <1483@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >Izumi Ohzawa writes [about send_attach stuff] > >> My vote is for the perl version because it is in source form. >> AAAND, I can run it on Suns or any other Unix boxes that have perl. >> It just works without any compiles, and works now. That's a definite plus. > >It only works if you have "perl", though. Is that standard on 3.1/3.2 >or on Suns? Don't you have to get it from an archive and compile it? Let's see.. Newsgrazer doesn't come standard with 3.1/3.2 either; I have to get it from an archive. So what's your point? -- Jonathan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,de.comp.sys.next From: Rene Kulschewski <rene@rkt.in-berlin.de> Subject: How to access 2. NSI Partition ?? Message-ID: <CL4trH.8B@rkt.in-berlin.de> Sender: rene@rkt.in-berlin.de (Rene Kulschewski) Organization: Home in Berlin Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 22:14:05 GMT Hi *, i would like to make a filesystem on a second NeXTSTEP 3.2 partition. This is the fdisk-output: Type Start Size Status -------------------------------------------- DOS, 16 bit FAT 0 150 - NEXTSTEP 150 700 Active Extended DOS 850 80 - NEXTSTEP 930 84 - <- 2. Part. When i now try "disk -l Part_2 -i /dev/rsd0b" [or c,d,e] i get: /dev/rsd0b: No such device or address What am i doing wrong ?? Is NSI unable to handle more as one partition ?? Thanx Rene -- ____________________________________________________________________ Rene Kulschewski <rene@rkt.in-berlin.de> NeXTMail accepted. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Rene Kulschewski <rene@rkt.in-berlin.de> NeXTMail accepted.
From: kenji@reseau.toyonaka.osaka.jp (Kenji Rikitake) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with TranSys SLIP_920904 on NeXT Date: 13 Feb 1994 02:34:10 GMT Organization: Machikaneyama Deconstruction Site Message-ID: <KENJI.94Feb13113410@reseau.reseau.toyonaka.osaka.jp> References: <2jhaau$15s2@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP In-reply-to: rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu's message of 12 Feb 1994 01:10:54 GMT In article <2jhaau$15s2@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu (randal rencsok) writes: | If anyone is using the TransSys SLIP_920904 on a NeXT through a | annex server that is partitioning IP addresses on a per call | basis (i.e. you have to ifconfig the the interface). I would | appreciate it if you could enlighten me a bit as I can't figure | out why ping will work yet telnet will not! Perhaps I'm doing | something totally stupid and someone will be able to clear up | my problem easily. Try disabling VJ TCP compression. // Kenji -- Kenji Rikitake <kenji@reseau.toyonaka.osaka.jp> <kenji@rcac.astem.or.jp> Getting online since 1985 / PGP public key available / ACM, IEEE-CS, ISOC, EFF
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@lanl.gov (David R Wolf) Subject: HELP: latex and eps Message-ID: <1994Feb11.200431.27577@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:04:31 GMT HELP!!! I've tried the prescription mentioned in the on-line tex manual for including eps files in a latex document with very limited success. What is the correct way to include eps files (Mathematica, Frame- maker, Draw output for examples) into a LaTeX document? Examples of how to properly size and reserve space for the image would be greatly appreciated. I will summarize and post the results for all after trying them out myself. -- ======================================================================= David R. Wolf wolf@lanl.gov LANL, MS P940, 87545 (505) 667-3813 =======================================================================
From: vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu (VampLestat) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: MouseX on NS 3.2 ? Date: 13 Feb 1994 06:27:39 GMT Organization: Me, organized? You gotta be kidding. Message-ID: <2jkh8r$29v@garuda.csulb.edu> Has anyone successfully run MouseX under NS 3.2? We had it running fine on a 2.1 machine, and after we installed 3.2 (from scratch), it seemed to stop working. It could just be something that wasn't reinstalled during the upgrade, but I was wondering if any others had a problem with MouseX under 3.2, or if if MouseX was running fine under 3.2? -- _O_ Ryan L. Watkins : : : : : :: ::: :::: ::::: | vamp@csulb.edu : : : : : :: ::: :::: ::::: | aka VampLestat finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu for pgp public key
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ebaranz@muscat.pr.net.ch (E. Baranzini) Subject: Experiences with CD-Recorder on a NeXTstation? Message-ID: <1994Feb13.062856.273@muscat.pr.net.ch> Keywords: CD-Recorder Sender: ebaranz@muscat.pr.net.ch Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 06:28:56 GMT I consulted FAQ and archives searching about experiences with CD-Recorder drives on a NeXTstation (25 MHz), but without success. I intend to buy a Yamaha CDR-100 (it seems to be a good recorder) and drive it eventually with the PD "mkisofs" software from ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/cdrom or with a Yamaha software. Any experiences, tips, cautions, ideas? I will summarize, if something interesting will come in. I thank You in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Erminio BARANZINI, Seilerstrasse 25, CH-3011 Berne, Switzerland ebaranz@muscat.pr.net.ch ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: chris@iesd.auc.dk (Christian Callsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a DOOM version for black (040) hardware? Date: 11 Feb 1994 12:11:08 GMT Organization: Math & CS at Aalborg University Message-ID: <CHRIS.94Feb11131108@epsilon.iesd.auc.dk> References: <2j87uj$7d@alf.uib.no> <2j8te2$848@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: icardena@dcl-nxt09's message of 8 Feb 1994 20:41:38 GMT Read comp.sys.next.annouce -Chris -- __ | Christian J. Callsen [ chris@iesd.auc.dk ] / ) / | Department of Mathematics and Computer Science, / /_ __ o _ | Frederik Bajers Vej 7E, Aalborg University (__/ / /_/ (_<_/_)_ | 9220 Aalborg 0st, DENMARK {Sm:^>le and be Happy Today!}
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Date: 13 Feb 1994 10:10:43 GMT Organization: Not applicable Message-ID: <2jkub3$qom@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2jh40u$sa7@agate.berkeley.edu> <1483@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> In article <1483@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >Izumi Ohzawa writes [about send_attach stuff] > >> My vote is for the perl version because it is in source form. >> AAAND, I can run it on Suns or any other Unix boxes that have perl. >> It just works without any compiles, and works now. That's a definite plus. > >It only works if you have "perl", though. Is that standard on 3.1/3.2 >or on Suns? Don't you have to get it from an archive and compile it? You are right. It only works if you have PERL. Not standard on 3.1/3.2 or Suns. Except that, here at UC Berkeley, it is standard for multiple machine types, and supported by the computer center on a campus wide NFS server. NEXTSTEP is just about the only platform not supported by the university. I assume that is true for quite many edu sites. My point was simply that you could do this now, without begging the author of send_attach to please compile his program for Suns, DEC, HP, SGI, RS6000, Linux, Amiga or whatever odd ball computer you may have, which no matter how nice he is, he can't possibly comply in all cases. Well, soon NEXTSTEP will be available for all the platforms, so this will be a moot point. I just thought this might not happen soon enough for most folks :-). -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTmail OK)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Doom DOS in SoftPC? Date: 13 Feb 1994 10:19:45 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2jkus1$1oj@steffi.demon.co.uk> All this talk about Doom.... Well is anybody running the DOS version under SoftPC on an intel box? -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: fineman@grizzly.cs.washington.edu (Lucifer Sam) Subject: Is there any virtual desktop for white? Message-ID: <1994Feb13.164158.24563@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle Date: Sun, 13 Feb 94 16:41:58 GMT Hi all -- i've downloaded Desktop2.0 & Virtspace, but they're only for motorola! drat! I'd love to have a virtual desktop... is there one out there for intel? thanx dan fineman@cs.washington.edu ascii please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: ddp@cc.bellcore.com (David D. Pascua) Subject: Summary -- Re: pls help -- can't run DOOM on black Message-ID: <CL68x2.ADs@walter.bellcore.com> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore References: <BURNS.94Feb11125039@wildcat.bellcore.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 16:39:02 GMT I wrote: >So I was all excited to try out this 'way cool' game that everyone's >been talking about. But when I tried to run it I got an Error pop-up >window with this message: >W_GetNumForName:PNAMES not found! So I downloaded the FAT file again and did the following: >mv DOOM1_2_FAT.compressed DOOM1_2_FAT.tar.Z. >zcat DOOM1_2_FAT.tar.Z | tar xvf - This worked just fine for me. No, you don't need 3.1 to run DOOM, it runs just dandy on 3.0 Jim Burns had suggested that it may have been a problem in downloading, but since I no longer had the original file that I downloaded, I can neither confirm or refute this. My gut instinct (for whatever that's worth) tells me that the problem has something with doing a WS uncompress on the .compressed file. Thanks to everone that responded, especially ray@mayo.edu who was the first to recommend the above solution. -Dave ddp@cc.bellcore.com (BTW the zcat above is essentially the same as: >uncompress DOOM1_2_FAT.tar.Z >tar xvf DOOM1_2_FAT.tar except that my method above retains the .Z file.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) Subject: getting CDPlayer.app to work? Message-ID: <1994Feb13.171353.19496@cs.yale.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale Physics Department Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 17:13:53 GMT I know this was discussed months ago, but I've lost the posts, and it's not in the FAQs (or at least the information there is not the full story according to Nathan Janette). How do you make CDPlayer.app work? I've got a NeXTstation Turbo running NS 3.2, with a NeXT CD-ROM drive. I can put a standard CD into the drive, and CDPlayer.app starts up, reads the CD correctly, starts playing and so forth. The only problem is no sound ever comes out. -- Jim Horne jhh@waldzell.physics.yale.edu "With stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain." Friedrich von Schiller
From: Sean.Hill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean L. Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: getting CDPlayer.app to work? Date: 13 Feb 1994 20:06:35 GMT Organization: Institut de Physiologie, Universite de Lausanne Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[8561] Message-ID: <2jm18b$ash@cisun2000.unil.ch> References: <1994Feb13.171353.19496@cs.yale.edu> Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. Plug in the headphones to the CDPlayer? Sean
From: bkr@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Aha, NewsGrazer Pro! Date: 12 Feb 1994 08:45:24 +0100 Organization: Digital Island Message-ID: <2ji1ek$1sp@drdhh.hanse.de> References: <1994Feb4.190435.873@millennium.com> <1994Feb7.140409.10787@hot.com> Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> writes: No wonder why Jayson has been posting lately. Look at the headers... Posting-Application: Newsgrazer Pro Well, as far as I have seen, they make very fine software. I am also thankful to Jayson that he gave us Newsgrazer Std, even if I don't use it - I am religious about nn. But - is this really necessary ? I think that News-Headers should be there to serve either machines or readers. This one serves only Millennium. Not that I care too much about these ~40 bytes of bandwidth, it is just that it seems too unimportant to be there. If I am wrong and this is a standard header now, please excuse me, I'm on RFC1036 but don't have it at hand right now. Greetings, Bjoern -- bkr@drdhh.hanse.de - Bjoern Kriews - Stormsweg 6 - D-22085 Hamburg [76] - FRG "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Patch for Gnutar 1.11.2 ? Date: 13 Feb 1994 21:31:18 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jm676$hpn@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> I'm running black 3.2. I have the standard NeXT cc (gcc 2.2.2) and gcc 2.5.7. However, I've been unable to get Gnutar.1.11.2 to compile. Anybody happen to have a patch? Any help sincerely appreciated! - Steve ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University | "There's more ways to skin a cat than putting its head in a boot jack and pulling on its tail." - unknown
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Message-ID: <1486@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 13 Feb 94 21:53:44 GMT References: <jlemonCL54uC.D4E@netcom.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Jonathan Lemon writes > In article <1483@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: > >Izumi Ohzawa writes [about send_attach stuff] > > > >> My vote is for the perl version because it is in source form. > >> AAAND, I can run it on Suns or any other Unix boxes that have perl. > >> It just works without any compiles, and works now. That's a definite plus. > > > >It only works if you have "perl", though. Is that standard on 3.1/3.2 > >or on Suns? Don't you have to get it from an archive and compile it? > > Let's see.. Newsgrazer doesn't come standard with 3.1/3.2 either; I have to > get it from an archive. So what's your point? The Newsgrazer example is more like send_attach. You get it from an archive and it "just works". The advantage to the perl script was supposedly that you don't have to compile it, but you have to compile perl to begin with. If you've already compiled perl, then compiling things isn't a big deal for you. If you haven't, then you're going to have a harder time getting a perl script to work than just using send_attach. It was just a small point, but since you asked :-) -- Glenn Reid glenn@rightbrain.com Woodside, California
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Message-ID: <1487@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 13 Feb 94 21:56:31 GMT References: <2jkub3$qom@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Izumi Ohzawa writes [I wrote]: > >It only works if you have "perl", though. Is that standard on 3.1/3.2 > >or on Suns? Don't you have to get it from an archive and compile it? > > You are right. It only works if you have PERL. Not standard on > 3.1/3.2 or Suns. > My point was simply that you could do this now, without begging > the author of send_attach to please compile his program for > Suns, DEC, HP, SGI, RS6000, Linux, Amiga or whatever odd ball > computer you may have, which no matter how nice he is, he can't > possibly comply in all cases. That's a good point, that it runs on lots of other platforms as well. It's too bad that the mailers on those other systems can't deal with the same multi-part mail format that NeXT uses (or vice versa). It is amazing to me that in 1994 I still (for the most part) can't just send somebody a file over Email, without worrying about what kind of mailer they use! -- Glenn Reid glenn@rightbrain.com Woodside, California
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Aha, NewsGrazer Pro! Date: 13 Feb 1994 20:25:32 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2jm2bs$1hp@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1994Feb4.190435.873@millennium.com> <1994Feb7.140409.10787@hot.com> <2ji1ek$1sp@drdhh.hanse.de> bkr@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews) wrote in comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software >If I am wrong and this is a standard header now, please excuse me, >I'm on RFC1036 but don't have it at hand right now. Don't worry I picked up that immediately and set jayson right on custom headers. He's going to use X- notation as per 822 I think. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: DOOM problem: STBAR not found Date: 12 Feb 1994 18:33:03 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2jj3sf$12l@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2jbs6i$ipd@ftp-p.mccaw.com> <2jdsvu$lou@pith.uoregon.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit spb@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Steven Berry) writes: >Jason Fosback (jason_fosback@psca.com) wrote: >: W_GetNumForName: STBAR Not Found! >: What's the scoop with this? The only thing I can think of is that the DOS >: version of Doom is 1.1, and the NeXTSTEP version is 1.2. >: Anyone know what the scoop is? >The problem is that you're a gomer. >G! >Spiffo Very informative answer. Could you please explain what a "gomer" is? I found it neither in Webster nor in my dictionary. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Veni, vidi, NeXTSTEPi.
From: haugelan+@pitt.edu (John C Haugeland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Keywords: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Message-ID: <14769@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 13 Feb 94 23:44:54 GMT References: <2jhmna$63l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Today, gregory@athena.mit.edu (Gregory B Howland) (NSProducts) announced a line of NeXTstep notebook computers based on the Intelligent Notebook Systems VESAbook series. Last month, he announced some NeXTstep laptops based on the ERGO PowerBrick series. How are these two announcements related? (To judge from the announcements, the PowerBricks were more expensive, but had more video RAM.) Why the change? One other _very important_ question that these two announcements do not clearly address: Does NeXTstep support color on these machines? John haugelan+@pitt.edu
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: getting CDPlayer.app to work? Date: 14 Feb 1994 00:45:16 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2jmhis$sio@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1994Feb13.171353.19496@cs.yale.edu> In article <1994Feb13.171353.19496@cs.yale.edu> jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) writes: > I know this was discussed months ago, but I've lost the posts, and it's not > in the FAQs (or at least the information there is not the full story > according to Nathan Janette). How do you make CDPlayer.app work? > > I've got a NeXTstation Turbo running NS 3.2, with a NeXT CD-ROM drive. > > I can put a standard CD into the drive, and CDPlayer.app starts up, reads > the CD correctly, starts playing and so forth. The only problem is no sound > ever comes out. The sound won't be played through the speaker of your NeXT. You have to either use headphones plugged into the front of the CD drive or connect your CD drive to your stereo or some powered speakers via the red and white RCA connectors on the back of the CD drive. -- ============================================================================== Alex Currier * mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu * NeXTmail capable. If it's "Better Than The Leading X" then why isn't *IT* the leading X? ==============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: Want to meet other NeXT fans in Colorado - (pref Ft. Collins) Message-ID: <1994Feb14.011005.16030@selway.umt.edu> Organization: University of Montana Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 01:10:05 GMT Just a brief blurb. I just moved back to Colorado and want to get in contact with the other NeXT advocates or developes in the area. I have a complete developer's system and am interested in project work. Send responses to this Montana email address or the Fort Collins snail-mail address below. Look forward to talking with some like-minded people. Rich Warner 1700 S. College, ste 514 Fort Collins, CO 80525
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Subject: SoftPC on Intel (How good is it?) Message-ID: <CL744r.5A0@nosloc.com> Sender: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Organization: Nosloc Software Technologies Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 03:53:15 GMT I have used SoftPC under black hardware. I was not pleased. Could I have some comments on SoftPC running under NS/FIP? What is the performance like? How are the graphics? Any information is appreciated. =derek -- Derek Collison <---> derek@nosloc.com Nosloc Software Technologies NeXTSTEP Consulting and Software Design
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: sr@rdbois.fdn.org (serge_ruby) Subject: Re: Problems printing envelopes with NeXT printer. Message-ID: <1994Feb11.090824.11338@rdbois.uucp> Sender: sr@rdbois.uucp (serge_ruby) Organization: S.RUBY References: <BOOLB5WD@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 09:08:24 GMT In article <BOOLB5WD@gwdu03.gwdg.de> trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) writes: > Thor Legvold (edmtl@alf.uib.no) wrote: > > I just bought a NeXT printer (thanks Sam!), and am trying it out today. > > I cannot seem to get envelopes to print. I am using standard A4 > > business envelopes (measure 22cm by 11cm). Yes, I've read the manual. > > And the FAQ. And NeXT Answers. > > > I've tried setting paper size to both LTR and A4 without any luck. > > I have (so far) tried manual feed - Are you sure to feed the enveloppe in the right way? I must be fed as 'landscape' (ie with its long side paralel to the direction of moving) to ensure it is long enough to go from a tracting roll to the next one (11cm is not enough, 22 cm is enough). Second I think you are getting confused by the international paper sizes: standard A4 does *not* measure 22cm by 11cm, it does 21cm by 29.7cm. 22cm by 11cm enveloppes are the correct ones to send A4 paper folded in 3, but they are not A4 themselves. Therefore you must set the paper size manually to 11cm by 22cm (*not* 22cm by 11cm) and choose landscape orientation. By the way let me remind you the origin and interest of A4 standard to help you finding your way into other A standard format: A0 is one square meter in surface with a lenght/width ratio of square root of 2. This ensure to keep the same lenght/width ratio when you cut it into two. Therefore A0 is 118.92cm by 84.09cm. A1 is A0 cut into 2. Therefore 84.09cm by 59.46cm with a weight per sheet equal to exactly half of the weight of a A0 sheet, wich is the major interest of this standard, as the "strenght of a given paper is given in g per square meter (80g / m2 for normal printer paper) then 40g for A1 and common 80g / m2 paper. A2 is A1 cut into 2. Therefore 59.46cm by 42.04cm and 20g for common 80g / m2 paper. A3 is A2 cut into 2. Therefore 42.04cm by 29.73cm and 10g for 80g / m2 paper. A4 is A3 cut into 2. Therefore 29.73cm by 21.02cm and 5g for 80g / m2 paper. This is very useful to estimate the weight of a letter to determine what price of stamp to put on it: a letter of 3 pages (3 sheets) weights precisely 3 * 5g = 15g for common paper (this is much more precise than any domestic weighing scale) plus the weight of the enveloppe, which is approximatively the same than a sheet of paper ie 5g. Then 3 sheets + enveloppe = 20g. A5 is A4 cut into 2. Therefore 21.02cm by 14.87cm and 2.5g for 80g / m2 paper. There is also a Bn standard format which I wonder what it is, Perhaps it is the format of envelopes to put An format in? Does any body know about it? Hope that this can be of interest to you. Serge
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted: Icon request Date: 13 Feb 1994 23:21:44 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2jmcm8$je@steffi.demon.co.uk> I'm going to write a freely distributable palette and I'd like an icon for it. In fact two one for the palette and one for the customobjects. The theme is time bomb. (Stick's of dynamite with clocks) come to mind. 2bit and 12bit reps required. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: mperry@netcom.com (Michael Perry) Subject: Re: Q: MouseX on NS 3.2 ? Message-ID: <mperryCL7Go5.7J2@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2jkh8r$29v@garuda.csulb.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 08:24:04 GMT vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu (VampLestat) writes: >Has anyone successfully run MouseX under NS 3.2? Yes, I use it on a Color Station. It works fine except for one application which fails when it tries to allocate 128 entries in the color table. Michael Perry mperry@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: demarest@rerf.or.jp (Timothy Demarest) Subject: Copy NeXT Install Floppy Message-ID: <demarest.761214310@rerf.or.jp> Sender: news@phoenix.gw.hiroshima-u.ac.jp (news manager) Organization: Hiroshima University, Hiroshima JAPAN Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 08:25:10 GMT Is there a way to make a copy of the NeXT 3.2 Boot Disk that you use to install from the CDROM? I have a unique setup with NS/FIP on my second IDE drive and use the floppy to boot when I want to run NS. I want to make a copy of the boot disk so I dont keep using the original. Also, I am using an ET4000 card with 1Mb of RAM and for some reason when the machine is booting up NS, it says that it cant use 1024x768x2x74 so it goes into 1024x768x2x60 and flickers like crazy. The card works fine in MS Windows in the NI mode, so what gives? Any info appreciated. Tim -- Timothy Demarest | Radiation Effects Research Foundation demarest@rerf.or.jp | Research Information Center | 5-2 Hijiyama Park, Minami-ku Hiroshima 732 Japan -----------"How will these windows affect my final document?"------------
From: philipp@res.enst.fr (Philippe-Andre Prindeville) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with TranSys SLIP_920904 on NeXT Date: 14 Feb 1994 09:41:35 GMT Organization: Ecole Nationale Superieure des Telecommunications, Paris FRANCE Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jnh0f$asa@enst.enst.fr> References: <2jhaau$15s2@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: TransSys SLIP_920904, Annex, NeXT In article <2jhaau$15s2@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu (randal rencsok) writes: >Hello, > > I am trying to get Transys SLIP_920904 working on a NeXT >using a > Zyxel modem going through a annex server. It seems that I >get > a working connection (i.e. the login script shows no errors) > I can ping via name or IP address sucessfully. But when I >try > to do a telnet or ftp through a terminal session my terminal > just stops after f > > trying n.m.o.p... > Connected to n.m.o.p. > Escape character is '^]' Between the time that the connection message is sent, and you actually get the login prompt, there is the telnet option negotiation. You should run telnet with the tracing options on to make sure that the client and server and aimlessly trying to renegotiate the same things... > and here it just sits.. for at least a min or two. yet when I do > a netstat -ar I get info immediatly. I have tried many different > machines all to no avail, even the nameserver. But I can't seem > to login or get through. I havn't tried Newsgrazer or Mosaic since > it seems pointless if I can't login.. It isn't pointless, since it will tell you if it is just telnet in particular that is buggered, or something wider scale... Try rlogin. Rlogin does no negotiation. Or telnet to the SMTP port of a local machine. > here is my netstat -in >Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts >Oerrs Coll >en0* 1500 none none 0 0 0 >0 0 >lo0 1536 127 127.0.0.1 1944 0 1944 >0 0 >slip0 1006 35 35.8.204.100 2473 54 323 >0 0 >slip1 1006 none none 0 0 0 >0 0 >en0* 1500 none none 0 0 0 >0 0 Vague possibility (but dubious): your large packets might not be accepted by your modem... Are you using hardware flow control? (RTS/CTS)? Can you ping in another window while your telnet is blocked? > and when I'm connected (after many telnet failures) > ascended:14# netstat -ar >Routing tables >Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Interface >bohr.cem.msu.edu bohr.cem.msu.edu UGHD 0 1 slip0 >serv1.cl.msu.edu serv1.cl.msu.edu UGHD 0 166 slip0 >192.42.172.1 localhost UH 0 0 slip0 >localhost localhost UH 6 1972 lo0 >via-annex1-2.cl. via-annex1-2.cl.ms UGHD 0 78 slip0 >annex1.cl.msu.ed via-annex1-20.cl.m UH 0 0 slip0 >titan.cem.msu.ed titan.cem.msu.edu UGHD 0 10 slip0 >default cicnet-gw.msu.edu UG 0 71 slip0 The fact that ping works and you can establish a telnet connection proves that you aren't having a routing problem (unless you are experiencing route "flapping", but on a single or double hop connection this shouldn't be happening). > If anyone is using the TransSys SLIP_920904 on a NeXT through a > annex server that is partitioning IP addresses on a per call > basis (i.e. you have to ifconfig the the interface). I would > appreciate it if you could enlighten me a bit as I can't figure > out why ping will work yet telnet will not! Perhaps I'm doing > something totally stupid and someone will be able to clear up > my problem easily. Always a possibility ;-) Have you tried asking Louis? He's usually pretty helpful when he replies, (eventually... ;-) -Philip
From: sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Xox source finally released Date: 14 Feb 1994 09:41:56 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2jnh14$pqe@rosie.next.com> Keywords: game engine I finally got the source to the Xox game engine cleaned up to the point that I'm not embarassed to release it. It has been made available for ftp on cs.orst.edu, currently in the pub/next/submissions directory, though it is sure to move. The files are: xoxsrc.940213.compressed (source) xoxFat.940213.compressed (fat executable) shipbuilder.940213.compressed (ship image building utility) This should be considered a preliminary release, since it probably needs a bunch of stuff, though I won't know exactly how much till people use it. And I can't guarantee I'll have too much time to work on it, though I'll see what I can do. Oh yeah, the source includes a rather sketchy conceptual document describing how to use Xox to create games. Certainly the source will be clear to anyone that thinks like I do. 8^) Enjoy, -sam -- Opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer. They're not even mine. They're probably wrong besides. How did they get in here, anyway?
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2jmcm8$je@steffi.demon.co.uk> Control: cancel <2jmcm8$je@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: 14 Feb 1994 12:48:47 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2jnrvf$7v@steffi.demon.co.uk> <2jmcm8$je@steffi.demon.co.uk> was cancelled from within trn. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: rjh@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Rupert Hollom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP on a Server Date: 14 Feb 1994 13:51:04 GMT Organization: Electronics and Computer Science, University of Southampton Message-ID: <2jnvk8$he0@bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Sorry if this is in the FAQ, but I have only just got my copy of NeXTSTEP and so have not been reading this newsgroup. The machine that I want to run NeXTSTEP on has not got a SCSI CD-ROM, however the server that we have got here has. The server is not running NeXTSTEP but can I install the software on the server and then get my machine (a 486 DX 50 with 16MB RAM and 420 MB IDE disc) to boot from the server, or to have the minimal amount of NeXT on the local machine and the rest located on the server. The server will be running NFS protocol. If anyone has got any advice/info or can point me in the direction of suitable documentation thAt would be great. Cheers Rupert. E-Mail : rjh@ecs.soton.ac.uk
From: hship@sinistar (Howard Ship) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: getting CDPlayer.app to work? Date: 14 Feb 1994 14:58:20 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <2jo3ic$9kh@transfer.stratus.com> References: <1994Feb13.171353.19496@cs.yale.edu> In article <1994Feb13.171353.19496@cs.yale.edu> jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) writes: > I can put a standard CD into the drive, and CDPlayer.app starts up, reads > the CD correctly, starts playing and so forth. The only problem is no sound > ever comes out. I'm using white hardware. I started out pushing sound out the headphone jack on the front. My Toshiba drive has a unfaded audio-output on the back. Media Vision sells a cable to connect the CD my PAS-16 ... that plus a new PAS-16 driver gets me full system sounds and CD audio out the same set of speakers. Sorry, I got the new driver from a local wizard ... don't know where he got it (its out on the net somewhere ...)
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu(Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Please, Scott & All Posters, Use More Care (was posted to comp.sys.next.announce) Date: 14 Feb 1994 15:05:25 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C., USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jo3vl$3r2@news.duke.edu> References: <2jf37a$fak@digifix.digifix.com> I just wanted to add my voice to those who have expressed support for Scott on a job cheerfully, tirelessly and until now mostly thanklessly done. He's done great with his multiple ongoing volunteer tasks in the NeXT community, and I don't think he deserves to be criticized. Anyone who thinks they can do better should volunteer to him to try it for awhile. Keep up the good work, Scott! :-) Hope to finally meet you at this year's Expo so I can shake your hand as I say that. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
From: traupman-jonathan@cs.yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: getting CDPlayer.app to work? Date: 14 Feb 1994 11:45:04 -0500 Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Message-ID: <2jo9qgINN1m0@PYTHON.ZOO2.CS.YALE.EDU> References: <1994Feb13.171353.19496@cs.yale.edu> <2jo3ic$9kh@transfer.stratus.com> In article <2jo3ic$9kh@transfer.stratus.com> hship@sinistar (Howard Ship) writes: >In article <1994Feb13.171353.19496@cs.yale.edu> >jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) writes: >> I can put a standard CD into the drive, and CDPlayer.app starts up, >reads >> the CD correctly, starts playing and so forth. The only problem is no >sound >> ever comes out. > >I'm using white hardware. I started out pushing sound out the headphone >jack on the front. My Toshiba drive has a unfaded audio-output on the >back. Media Vision sells a cable to connect the CD my PAS-16 ... that >plus a new PAS-16 driver gets me full system sounds and CD audio out the >same set of speakers. Sorry, I got the new driver from a local wizard ... >don't know where he got it (its out on the net somewhere ...) Now does anyone know if it's possible to get it to woek with a NEC CDR-84 drive? It won't work for me. Later, Jon -- Jon Traupman - jont@suned.cs.yale.edu | "It wasn't always like this, PO Box 203124 | I had a real life...once." New Haven, CT 06520-3124 | (203) 436 3243 | -from "Armies of Darkness"
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John "Kzin" Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Keywords: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Message-ID: <138628@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 14 Feb 94 17:51:40 GMT References: <2jhmna$63l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <14769@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU haugelan+@pitt.edu (John C Haugeland) writes: >Today, gregory@athena.mit.edu (Gregory B Howland) (NSProducts) announced >a line of NeXTstep notebook computers based on the Intelligent Notebook >Systems VESAbook series. Last month, he announced some NeXTstep laptops >based on the ERGO PowerBrick series. How are these two announcements >related? (To judge from the announcements, the PowerBricks were more >expensive, but had more video RAM.) Why the change? >One other _very important_ question that these two announcements do >not clearly address: Does NeXTstep support color on these machines? Some other useful questions: 1) why did he feel the need to separately post the message to all of the news groups, instead of crossposting 1 message 2) the ERGO Powerbrick versions had powerbook style trackballs (under the space bar) (at least the post said so), and this newer version makes no mention of such a feature. I think that any laptop that supports a gui basically REQUIRES such a feature.. The ones that put a trackball above the keyboard are just silly (unforunately, the official next laptop is one of these (the NEC Versa)). -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.============== DOOM ON YOU!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: wolf@lanl.gov (David R Wolf) Subject: SUMMARY: Latex and EPS graphics. Message-ID: <1994Feb14.184214.4816@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 18:42:14 GMT I received many answers to my question on including EPS graphics in a LaTeX file: > I've tried the prescription mentioned in the on-line tex manual for > including eps files in a latex document with very limited success. > > What is the correct way to include eps files (Mathematica, Frame- > maker, Draw output for examples) into a LaTeX document? etc. Here, as promised, is the summary of the replies that I received. I was amazed by the detail and thought that went into these responses. Clearly, the internet rules. And what better way to drive there than on a NeXT? David --- ======================================================================= David R. Wolf wolf@lanl.gov LANL, MS P940, 87545 (505) 667-3813 ======================================================================= /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: jliu@apollo-slip.caltech.edu (Jianqiang Liu) Here is the macro I used to include eps file: \def \myfigure #1 #2"#3"{\begin{figure}[hbtp]\input epsf \centerline{\epsfxsize=#1 \epsfbox{#2}} \caption{#3} \end{figure}} Here is the example to use it. \myfigure 4.5in fab_process.eps"Major fabrication steps for the integrated microflow rate measurement system." 4.5in defines the size of the image. fab_process.eps is the eps file name which should stay in the same directory as you tex file. You can easily modify the macro to include more functions. You should have epsf.tex or epsf.sty in you /usr/lib/tex/input or somewhere for default tex input. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: Rick Gray <rick@mft.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu> It's easy... save your document as EPS, but just the selected objects (otherwise it'll put out a full-page figure, which will mess you up when trying to include it elsewhere). Then in your LaTeX doc: \documentstyle[epsf]{article} \begin{document} Since individual channels undergo both opening and closing transitions ($\alpha$ and $\beta$), according to rule 6, $\tau = \frac{1}{\alpha + \beta}$. \begin{figure} \epsfxsize=90mm %this will scale the fig to 90mm wide \epsffile{scanD/currenttau10a5a.eps} \caption{This is a cool figure.} \end{figure} \end{document} /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: Waihon A Kwong <wkwong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> First of all, you have to generate EPS files for the latex documents. Then, use the 'epsf.sty' utility in latex to include the files. I have put together a style file to simplify this process. Here is it. Look at the introduction for help if necessary. Andy -------------cut <~/tex/inputs/graphics.sty> %&latex%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % graphics.sty % % This style file can add any postscript (PS) file or EPS files with % automatic scale for any column size. Figure rotation abilities are % also implemented and so you can just turn everything around. You are % welcome to made any changes, and feel free to distribute it! If you % found any bugs or have some interesting new feature, please let me know % by E-mail: % wkwong@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu % % Andrew Kwong % Updated 10 Feb, 1994. % % NOTE: This style file assume you have 'epsf.sty' and 'rotate.sty' % installed in standard '.../tex/inputs/' directory. % % KNOWN BUG: % If you try to include PS files from Matlab 4.x, make sure you save % the ps file with '-deps' option, or it will not be included % correctly. % % A partial fix is to add one more '%' in front of the % '%%BoundingBox: (attend)' statement. % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % DESCRIPTION - HOW TO USE % % The definitions should be straight forward to use. % Here is an example to show how to include PS/EPS figures into LaTeX: % % (0) Save this file into your '~/tex/inputs' directory. % (1) Insert 'graphics.sty' in the style statement at the beginning % '\documentstyle[times,graphics]{mythesis}' % (2) Use anyone of the followings: %________________________________________________________________________ % (a) \scalefig.....Scale a figure from 0-100%(use 0-1 scale but it could % be >1 I guess) % (b) \scalefignc...Same as above without Caption. % (c) \autofig......Scale a figure from 0-100% and allow the argument % '{htb}' at the end to control where the figure is. % (d) \autofignc....Same as above without Caption. % (e) \rotrfig......Rotate a figure to the right 90 degrees (not the caption) % (f) \rotlfig......Rotate a figure to the left 90 degrees (not the caption) % (g) \rotufig......Flip a figure upside down (not the caption) % (h) \rotffig......Flip the side of the figure horizontally (not the caption) % ****Note that (e)-(h) will also scale the figure. % (i) \rotrcfig.....Rotate a figure to the right 90 deg (with the caption) % (j) \rotlcfig.....Rotate a figure to the left 90 deg (with the caption) % (k) \rotucfig.....Flip a figure upside down (with the caption) % (l) \rotfcfig.....Flip the side of a figure horizontally (with the caption) % ****Note that (i)-(l) will also scale the figure, % while (i),(j) have a bug on not having the figure % centered corresponding to the Caption. Try to scale % the figure big enough so that the figure is % centering with the caption. % (m) \tabfig.......Scale a figure from 0-100% for tabular environment % (n) \tabrfig......Scale/Rotate a figure from 0-100% for tabular environment % (o) \tablfig......Scale/Rotate a figure from 0-100% for tabular environment % (p) \tabufig......Scale/Rotate a figure from 0-100% for tabular environment % (q) \tabffig......Scale/Rotate a figure from 0-100% for tabular environment % (for help on (m)-(q), see ##). %_______________________________________________________________________ % (3) To insert a figure, use the following format: % \scalefig{/home......../tex/...../....file.ps}<-+ % {A Pretty Picture}{.75} | % ^__75% of the original | % | % *Unless you put your PS file into your ~/tex/inputs directory, % or you always give the complete path and file name. % % **An alternative (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) solution will be create % a new directory under where your document is, and save all % your figures there. % EX: My thesis is in ~/tex/thesis. % Then I create a directory ~/tex/thesis/thesisFig. % So, I can use the command: % '\scalefig{thesisFig/...file.ps}{0.75}' % ---->THIS IS MUCH EASIER THAN THE COMPLETE PATH! % % ##For tabfig, here is an example (I usually use the first figure file % name for the figure label) I scale it according to the number of % columns in a tabular environment: % \begin{figure}[htb] % \begin{tabular}{c} % \tabfig{fig/fig1.ps}{1.0} \\ (a) % \end{tabular} % \begin{tabular}{cc} % \tabrfig{fig/fig2a.ps}{0.5} & % \tablfig{fig/fig2b.ps}{0.5} \\ (b) & (c) % \end{tabular} % \caption{(a) Plot of 1, % (b) Plot of 2a, and (c) Plot of 2b \label{fig/fig1.ps}} % \end{figure} %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \typeout{Style Option 'graphics' <10 Feb 1994> by Andrew Kwong} \input epsf \input rotate \newsavebox{\ROTATEFIG} \newsavebox{\ROTATECAP} % Auto scale PS files without Caption \def\scalefignc#1#2{ \begin{figure}[htb] \centering \epsfxsize=#2\columnwidth \leavevmode\epsfbox{#1} \label{#1} \end{figure}} % Auto scale PS files with Caption \def\scalefig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[htb] \centering \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \leavevmode\epsfbox{#1} \caption{#2\label{#1}} \end{figure}} % Auto scale PS files with specific placement from {htbp} but no Caption \def\autofig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[#3] \centering \epsfxsize=#2\columnwidth \leavevmode\epsfbox{#1} \label{#1} \end{figure}} % Auto scale PS files with specific placement from {htbp} and Caption \def\autofig#1#2#3#4{ \begin{figure}[#4] \centering \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \leavevmode\epsfbox{#1} \caption{#2\label{#1}} \end{figure}} %Auto scale with Rotation Right \def\rotrfig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[h] \centering \begin{tabular}{c} \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotr{\ROTATEFIG} \\ \vbox{\caption{#2\label{#1}}} \end{tabular} \end{figure}} % Auto scale with Rotation Left \def\rotlfig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[h] \centering \begin{tabular}{c} \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotl{\ROTATEFIG} \\ \vbox{\caption{#2\label{#1}}} \end{tabular} \end{figure}} % Auto scale with Flip Up \def\rotufig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[h] \centering \begin{tabular}{c} \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotu{\ROTATEFIG} \\ \vbox{\caption{#2\label{#1}}} \end{tabular} \end{figure}} % Auto scale with Flip Side \def\rotffig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[h] \centering \begin{tabular}{c} \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotf{\ROTATEFIG} \\ \vbox{\caption{#2\label{#1}}} \end{tabular} \end{figure}} % Auto scale with Rotation Right (with the caption also rotated) \def\rotrcfig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[htb] \centering \begin{tabular}{cc} \savebox{\ROTATECAP}{\vbox{\caption{#2\label{#1}}}} \rotr{\ROTATECAP} & \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotr{\ROTATEFIG} \end{tabular} \end{figure}} % Auto scale with Rotation Left (with the caption also rotated) \def\rotlcfig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[htb] \centering \begin{tabular}{cc} \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotl{\ROTATEFIG} & \savebox{\ROTATECAP}{\vbox{\caption{#2\label{#1}}}} \rotl{\ROTATECAP} \end{tabular} \end{figure}} % Auto scale with Flip Up (with the caption also flipped) \def\rotucfig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[htb] \centering \begin{tabular}{c} \savebox{\ROTATECAP}{\vbox{\caption{#2\label{#1}}}} \rotu{\ROTATECAP} \\ \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotu{\ROTATEFIG} \end{tabular} \end{figure}} % Auto scale with Flip Sides (with the caption also flipped) \def\rotfcfig#1#2#3{ \begin{figure}[htb] \centering \begin{tabular}{c} \epsfxsize=#3\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotf{\ROTATEFIG} \\ \savebox{\ROTATECAP}{\vbox{\caption{#2\label{#1}}}} \rotf{\ROTATECAP} \end{tabular} \end{figure}} % Autoscale for Tabular environment \def\tabfig#1#2{ \epsfxsize=#2\columnwidth \leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} % Autoscale and Rotate Right for Tabular environment \def\tabrfig#1#2{ \epsfxsize=#2\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotr{\ROTATEFIG}} % Autoscale and Rotate Left for Tabular environment \def\tablfig#1#2{ \epsfxsize=#2\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotl{\ROTATEFIG}} % Autoscale and Upside down for Tabular environment \def\tabufig#1#2{ \epsfxsize=#2\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotu{\ROTATEFIG}} % Autoscale and Flip side for Tabular environment \def\tabffig#1#2{ \epsfxsize=#2\columnwidth \savebox{\ROTATEFIG}{\leavevmode\epsfbox{#1}} \rotf{\ROTATEFIG}} % allow a top float to take up the whole page if necessary \renewcommand{\topfraction}{1.0} % allow a bottom float to take up the whole page if necessary \renewcommand{\bottomfraction}{1.0} % allows a page to have as little as 20% text and up to 80% floats \renewcommand{\textfraction}{.20} % allows a page to have as little as 25% floats and up to 75% blank \renewcommand{\floatpagefraction}{.20} % max number of top floats allowed per page \setcounter{topnumber}{8} % max number of bottom floats allowed per page \setcounter{bottomnumber}{8} % max total number of floats allowed per page \setcounter{totalnumber}{20} /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: Moritz Willers <willers@butp.unibe.ch> This should work: \documentstyle[epsf]{article} \begin{document} Here comes the eps file: \input epsf \epsfxsize=8cm \epsfbox{filename.eps} That's it \end{document} /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: Steve Spicklemire <steve@estel.uindy.edu> Here is a sample .tex file that I use for exams & such \input epsf.tex \headline={\hfil} \baselineskip=12pt \smallskip \epsfxsize=100pt % this sets the horizontal extent of the image \epsffile{ exam1.eps } % this includes the image \vskip -100pt % this skips back up vertically \leftskip=120pt % this re-sets the left margin 5) An exit ramp for I-465 has a radius ... (bunch 'o text) \vskip 30pt % skip back down \leftskip = 0pt % reset left margin to zero. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: garyc@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) I got the same problems before like you do, so I guess I can understand this kind of pain best. :-) Here's the LaTeX Macro I use to display my EPS pict. %%Begin InstantTeX Picture \let\picnaturalsize=N \def\picsize{3.0in} \def\picfilename{??.eps} \begin{figure}[htb] \global\let\epsfloaded=Y \centerline{ \ifx\picnaturalsize N\epsfxsize \picsize\fi \epsfbox{\picfilename}} \caption{YourCaption} \label{YourLabel} \end{figure} %%End InstantTeX Picture Hope this will help, and don't forget the 'epsf' sty need to be declared in your document cmd. e.g. \documentstyle[titlepage,epsf]{article} /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: antoine@osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Just get on archie, ask where psfig is, and go get it. I works great and comes with an example with many figs. you may need bbfig too to add bounding boxes to your figs. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: lauer@euwe.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Lauer) I always use the epsf style. The style file itself contains the documentationn. For a quick start, just try (assuming epsf.sty is correctly installed): \documentstyle[epsf]{article} \begin{document} \epsffile{your-picture.eps} \end{document} The epsf style reads the size of the image from the eps-file. Just make sure it is really eps and not just one page of plain postscript (it has to contain a %%Boundingbox comment). It is possible to scale the image. This, as well as how to position the image in the TeX output, is documented in the style file. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: leb@label.tau.ac.il (Larry Blume) Hi You probably know that .eps files coming from Mathematica need to be worked on with psfix to add the ps dictionary that Mathematica takes for granted. However, once you've done this, the Mathematica selection you've printed takes a whole page. In order for any flavor of TeX to handle the image reasonably you need to shrink the bounding box. You can do it by hand. Alternatively, there is an app called BBFig available on the archives which (usually) does it for you. It pops the page onto a screen and shows you what it thinks is the minimal bounding box that captures just the image. You can either press a button and have the bounding box coordinates added to the top of your eps file or, if BBFig has guessed wrong, you can easily measure by hand what it should be and add that to your file. (The newer versions allow you to drag the bounding box to the right dimension --- since I am one of about 5 NeXT's in Israel, my migration from 2.1 to 3.2 will begin only after I return to the States.) I'm not a LaTeX user so I can't tell you where to go from there. In plain TeX the epsf macros work just fine. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From: "Steven M. Boker" <smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu> Here's what I use: {\parindent 0pt \begin{center} \begin{singlespace} \epsfxsize=.9\textwidth \leavevmode\epsffile{ChiSqrPlot3.eps} \\ \refstepcounter{figurecount} \label{ChiSqrPlot3} {\small \sf Figure~\thefigurecount. ChiSqrPlot3. } \end{singlespace} \end{center} } Of course your documentstyle must include epsf. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
From: billrich@caspian.ext.vt.edu (Bill Richardson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: duplicating audio dat tapes Date: 14 Feb 1994 17:08:24 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Message-ID: <2job68$ans@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> I'm wondering whether the black dat drive scsi'd into my cube can be used to copy audio dat tapes. Have you ever tried this or heard of it being done? Where would I find some software to do this? thanks, Bill Richardson blacksburg va
From: hugunin@mtl.mit.edu (James Hugunin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail Pictures Date: 14 Feb 1994 19:15:35 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2joikn$89d@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I am setting up a new mail system for a network of NeXT computers. I would like to be able to have pictures appear for the person who sent a message. I know how to do this for people actually on my network (By adding the image to /LocalLibrary/Images/People/(username).tiff and then running mailDBupdate). What I would like to do is to have pictures appear for mail sent from accounts outside of my network. I can't figure out how to get mail to do this. I have tried using NewsGrazers format for non-local account names without succes. Does anybody out there either know that this can't be done or have any suggestions on how to do it? --- Jim Hugunin---hugunin@nano.mit.edu NanoStructures Laboratory-----MIT
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 14 Feb 1994 14:45:33 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2jokct$gqf@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe The ftp sites ------------- cs.orst.edu: The main site for North American submissions nova.cc.purdue.edu: Lots of older stuff, but very short on disk space ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: In Germany. terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) and cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp.next.com: See the below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ------------------------------------- From the document 1000_Help from ftp.next.com Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, or you can transfer them by anonymous ftp. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. 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To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO <your-address> If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Re: HELP: latex and eps Message-ID: <26ZLBQ5S@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1994Feb11.200431.27577@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 19:48:25 GMT Get psfig from your nearest TeX site. Psfig enables you to place eps and ps files in your latex document. You can scale, rotate and do some other fancy things with it. And I also recommend TeXmenu - a shareware product which is a great tool, which makes NeXT the best platform for TeX in my opinion. It should be available at cs.orst.edu and is available at ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de I've written several documents containing between 1 up to >100 eps documents (pasted from Mathematica, Diagram, AI, own progs) and have just great results. Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-37077 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095 Email: mzeller@gwdg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mohan@tulip (Mohan Pakkurti) Subject: Academic NeXT ? Message-ID: <CL8ErK.96E@utnetw.utoledo.edu> Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 20:40:31 GMT Hello: I tried to get NeXT through the college book store and they are not able to get it for me. What alternative channels are there to buy an academic bundle. And, is the academic bundle the same as the software sold for regular customers What does the academic bundle contain, does it have the development system? How much does it cost? Hope someone here can give me some info.Thanks. //Mohan -- + Mohanakrishna Pakkurti Amateur Radio Callsign: KB8PIP + + HOME: 2711 West Central Avenue, Apt B-10, Toledo,OH 43606. + + Phone:(419)292-1436 FAX: (419)537-2915 e-mail:mohan@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu + -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: u288869@uebung3.rz.fh-reutlingen.de (Frank Martin Siegert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Source for modplayer posted (adaption of sparctracker) Date: 14 Feb 1994 22:14:55 GMT Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Wirtschaft, Reutlingen, Germany Message-ID: <2jot4v$l8g@infoserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> Keywords: NSFIP AUDIO SOURCE MODPLAYER I posted the source of an adapted version of Mark Espies Sparctracker to cs.orst.edu. Here is the readme: /* The following was written long ago on a NeXT Cube. I found it in one of my old archives and since quite a lot poeple asked for it... Here it is: a modplayer for black AND white Caveats: It is a hack, based on a very old version of sparctracker and is completely unsupported. The quality is not very good and on slow machines it does not work at all. Untested on a Gecko *GRIN* Mark Espie & Liam Corner don't know anything about this hack, so don't blame them if it does not work As always you are working at your own risk. Tested on: NeXT Cube 25 MHz 16 MB, 486DX2 EISA 32MB both NS 3.1 Compile: cc str.c -O -o str32; ln -s str32 str15 No copyrights from my side apply, ask Mark Espie if you want to use it in your commercial apps 8-). In case someone want to improve it I strongly recommend to get a newer version of the tracker code from the archives. "It was long ago and it was far away and it was so much better than it is today" -Meatloaf, Paradise by the dashboard light Frank Siegert u288869@uebung3.rz.fh-reutlingen.de (until 7. March 94) */ Have fun and pump up the volume - Frank
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problems printing envelopes with NeXT printer. Date: 14 Feb 1994 23:54:00 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen Message-ID: <2jove8$7va@alf.uib.no> References: <BOOLB5WD@gwdu03.gwdg.de> <1994Feb11.090824.11338@rdbois.uucp> yes - it works when envelopes are put in right way. No - I did not say envelope was A4 itself - of course not! It is standard envelope for A4 paper size (business folded). Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors Norway | edmtl@fiol.uib.no (NeXTmail)
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: SoftPC on Intel (How good is it?) Date: 14 Feb 1994 23:12:47 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <2jp0hf$8e0@Times.Stanford.EDU> References: <CL744r.5A0@nosloc.com> In article <CL744r.5A0@nosloc.com>, Derek Collison <derek@nosloc.com> wrote: >I have used SoftPC under black hardware. I was not pleased. Could I have >some comments on SoftPC running under NS/FIP? What is the performance like? >How are the graphics? > Any information is appreciated. > >=derek I too have been wondering about SoftPC. Why haven't we seen more traffic in the Next newsgroups about it since the release of 3.2. I'm surpised. In particular, I expected more posts of the form, "Has anyone gotten software such and such to work under SoftPC? I had the following problem..." Am I just being ignorant. Does EVERYTHING "just work" ? I thought there were Windows apps. that wouldn't even run under NT. Everyone--what are the apps. that you most want to run under SoftPC that you haven't been able to, or that you haven't been able to run in the way that you want to. (Silly example, can you play Lunatic Fringe under After Dark under SoftPC even though it is a screen saver? Have you been frustrated by cut and paste, or particularly frustrated by any of the things Insignia admits to not supporting with SoftPC?) What are the other all-around impressions? The poster above mentioned graphics and performance.... ??? Are you really frustrated by not having a video card that supports SoftPC in full-screen mode? (I noticed this is a big thing in the hardware compatibility list.) Is there any reason to ever boot real DOS/Windows again? -Karl
From: bg@la.async.vt.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Don' t play DOOM! :-) Date: 14 Feb 1994 23:38:20 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Distribution: na Message-ID: <2jp21c$807@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Don't play the demo version of the DOOM! :-) You will be pissed off after getting at the final stage. SO I deleted and I decided not to buy the shareware version. ID might have thought I would buy after being pissed off, but I decided not to instead. :-) Hey, I am not gonna give you any clue how to get there. :-) -- % % Under construction............ % %
From: leland@ins.infonet.net (Leland D. Hosford, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, U.S.A.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Eastern Iowa Computer Fair Date: 15 Feb 1994 04:00:50 GMT Organization: INFOnet - Iowa Network Services, Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2jphdi$6mi@insosf1.infonet.net> On Saturday March 5, 1994 the Commo-Hawk Computer Users Group of Cedar Rapids, Iowa will hold our eleventh (11) annual Eastern Iowa Computer Fair. This year the fair will include displays by computer user groups, retailers of computers and computer accessories, retailers of computer software, shareware distributors, and much more. There will be hourly door prizes given away in addition to the GRAND PRIZE, which is a LASER PRINTER. You don't need to be present during the grand prize drawing to win the laser printer. The following is information for the fair: Saturday March 5th from 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM IBEW Hall, 1211 Wiley Blvd SW, Cedar Rapids, Iowa Everyone older than 14 years will be asked for a strictly voluntary donation of $2 at the door. For more information, you can e-mail to me: leland@ins.infonet.net You could also call me, Leland (319-365-9627 please before 10:30 PM central time) or Linda (319-366-2347 please before 10:00 PM central time). The following are directions for how to get to the fair (note: if you want me to e-mail you either a PostScript file containting a map, or a uuencoded file containing HP laserjet printer codes to print out the map, send me e-mail asking for it). The PostScript file is 136403 bytes, and the uuencoded HP laserjet file is 301646 bytes. - Take I-380 to exit 20 (1st Ave West in Cedar Rapids). - Go West on 1st Ave. - After about a mile the road curves left (SW) and becomes Williams Blvd (highway 151). Be careful to NOT go straight and stay on 1st Ave when that happens; you want to curve left onto Williams Blvd. - After about 1.5 miles you will come to 16th Ave SW (just past the Holiday Inn on the left). Turn right (west) on 16th Ave. - Once you are on 16th Ave, the second stop light will be Wiley Blvd. Turn right (north) on Wiley Blvd. - After about half a block the driveway into the IBEW Hall will be on the right (east). Note that Cedar Rapids streets are not always aligned according to compass directions. For instance, when you turn onto 1st Ave you will actually be going more SW than west for the first half mile or so (then it curves around so that you actually are going west (until it curves off to become Williams Blvd). Hope to see you at the fair. :-) Leland D. Hosford | I have enough trouble just explaining what's on my own leland@ins.infonet.net | mind. How could I presume to speak for anyone else? -----------------------+------------------------------------------------------- ?daeh ym no gnidnats m'I evorp uoy ot nwod-edispu raeppa I gnitressa seoD (-:
From: arvidl@ancho.gac.edu (Lee Arvidson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Doom on NeXT cube w/ NS2.2 Date: 15 Feb 1994 02:55:18 GMT Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College Message-ID: <2jpdinINNnp3@news.gac.edu> Please Help!! I can't get my version of Doom (Doom1_2 for the black hardware) to work on my NeXT cube running System Release 2.2. I've unpacked the file and when I try to run the app, it only opens a window and prints [process exited]. Hmmmm? NeXT Cube: 68040 System Release 2.2 Mem: 16megs Please E-mail replies. Thanks, -- ================================================= Lee Arvidson == E-mail: arvidl@nic.gac.edu ====== ================================================= Gustavus Adolphus College == St. Peter == MN ==== =================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Gursky) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Message-ID: <dgursky.761260063@news.andi.org> Keywords: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <2jhmna$63l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <14769@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <138628@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 21:07:43 GMT gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John "Kzin" Rudd) writes: >The ones that put a trackball above the keyboard are just silly >(unforunately, the official next laptop is one of these (the NEC Versa) NEC has recently updated the Versa with the "E" series. The Versa E's use more powerful CPU's and now include an integrated trackball below the keyboard. Literally. Unlike the Powerbooks, which have the keyboard "high" and a trackball below the keyboard, but still on the main plane of the notebook, the NEC Versa E's still have the keyboard mounted low, and the trackball and mouse buttons are mounted on the edge of the system, perpendicular to the main plane of the notebook. -- David M. Gursky MIME and NEXTMAIL accepted Synex, inc. e-mail: .. dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org 8601 Georgia Avenue voice: ............. (301) 608-2144 Silver Spring, MD 20917 fax: ............. (301) 495-3036
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: fred@wicket.fdn.org (Frederic Pralong) Subject: A JOB ? Message-ID: <1994Feb15.091046.2550@wicket.fdn.org> Sender: news@wicket.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Paris -France Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 09:10:46 GMT Since i don't have access to the news, this message has been posted by a friend so please only reply to my adress (hrichard@email.teaser.com) and not to him... Well, you can do it and he will forward me your mail but i don't think this is a convenient solution (for you and for him) I'm actually working on my NeXTStation since 1992 but I'd like to participate to a real a project, so I'm actually seeking a junior programmer or administrator position. Here's my CV : Hugues RICHARD 42 Bd Carnot 21000 DIJON FRANCE Tel : 80. 65. 46. 96. 21 year old, single completed military service EDUCATION 1993 DUT in computer science (french diploma, level just under the BS) IUT - University of Dijon 1990 Baccalaureat (General HighSchool Certificate) EMPLOYMENT HISTORY summer 1993 10 weeks training with the Computing unit at the I.N.R.A. Center in Dijon : System administration of a UNIX network (SUN, PC, ...), installation of several PCs working under XWindow, writing of a C language printing input filter (print accounting, PostScript/ASCII switching)... I.N.R.A. - 17, rue Sully - 21034 Dijon summer 1992 3 months training period with an Italian firm : translation and realization in DTP (Ventura for PC) of a technical manual accompanying an air conditioner exported to France. EMICON srl - Via A. Dragoni, 59 - 47100 Forli since 1991 Part time DTP Operator and technician in a micro-publishing firm. Realization of the magazine "Votre Curriculum Vitae" distributed via newsstands. Involved in design through to printing (quadrichrome) C.A.N.T SARL - 43, rue des Godrans - 21000 Dijon EXPERIENCE Finance I was Treasurer of the Investment Club at Lycee Carnot in 1989 - 90, then Chairman of the Investment Club of the IUT in 1990 - 1991. I realized operations on the share market and on the Parisian traded option market (MONEP). Computers Good command of three environments : - Mac : "administration", use - PC : "administration", use and programming (DOS). - UNIX : administration, use and programming. Since 1992, I have my own NeXT Workstation. Development in C and Objective C LANGUAGES French (mother tongue) Fluent Italian (10 months in Italy) English, good reading, speaking and writing ability Basic knowledge of Japanese I'm ready to travel everywhere to work on a NeXTSTEP environment. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hugues RICHARD 42 Bd Carnot 21000 DIJON FRANCE (+33) 80 65 46 96 hrichard@email.teaser.com
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Who Maintains GatorFTP? Date: 11 Feb 1994 22:24:56 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jh0joINN7v@clem.handheld.com> References: <8hIkE1O00iMFM2wUMC@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <8hIkE1O00iMFM2wUMC@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> writes: > > They don't put their email addresses in the Info... panel. > > I'd like to suggest a info field associated with each entry in the ftp > site list. One's list of ftp sites can get real large so that one > forgets what site is good for what. That's in the latest version. > > Moving the carriage-return hotkey to the Login button instead of the Add > button would be nice, too. I'm using version 1.3.... I had a lot of bad > luck with 1.4. > You can do that with Interface Builder, just open the nib file! I just did it, took 3 minutes. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > |Jeremy Mereness zonker+@cmu.edu | Support \ Ye Olde Disclaimer: | > |Programmer/Analyst, FAST Laboratory| Free \ The above represents | > |GSIA - Carnegie Mellon University | Software \ my opinions, alone.| > |B.S.Mechanical Engineering, CMU'92 | NeXTMail Welcome\ Ya Gotta Love It.| > | Every Silver Lining's Got a Touch of Grey | > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim De Arras - WA4ONG | "You have to stand for something, NRA-ILA, GOA, CCRKBA, | or GSSF, VSRRA | you'll fall for anything." jmd@handheld.com | -- Allen's claimed campaign song title
From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mosaic 2.2 for Cub'X! Date: 15 Feb 1994 12:33:41 GMT Organization: I speak for myself Distribution: world Message-ID: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Feb15123342@shrug.dur.ac.uk> Well, I couldn't stand it any longer...this morning I finally sat down and forced Mosaic 2.2 to work with Cub'X in 16 bit mode, that's right kids, FAST speed, great colour and it looks amazing. I'd like to thank the lovely folks at Cub'X who gave me some numbers to insert in the HTMLimages.c file, and probably the NCSA people who cleaned up the inline image stuff. I will be posting the binary in a .gz format in a few minutes to cs.orst and src.doc.ic.ac.uk (closer to me)...basically, the changes, for those of you who care are as follows: Change TrueColor to StaticColor in libhtml stuff and anywhere else you find it. Change some values in HTMLimages.c to ones I have, make the same changes to src/picread.c. Modify src/pixmaps.c to use 4 8 and 12 instad of 1 6 and 11 for displaying, this just basically means it gets the right colour mappings for xpms, such as its own icon... that's basically it...then sit and wait a few hours while it compiles. YUM. Scott -- EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "A wasted youth is better by far than a wise and productive old age" "In another novel, I *am* you"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: SoftPC on Intel (How good is it?) Message-ID: <CL9Ayt.ELL@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <CL744r.5A0@nosloc.com> <2jp0hf$8e0@Times.Stanford.EDU> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:16:05 GMT In article <2jp0hf$8e0@Times.Stanford.EDU> kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) writes: [ ] >Is there any reason to ever boot real DOS/Windows again? Of course. For one thing SoftPC can only deal with Windows in standard mode which leaves a lot to be desired. Previous versions of SoftPC have been a minor letdown for me, as the graphics' refresh ( on black NeXT's, Mac's, workstations, etc...) and the driver support were simply not there. One has to be patient when dealing with NS. Drivers don't appear before their time, you're in an off-beat world, etc...Nice but not for those who want to walk into a superstore and buy things. OS/2 has similar problems. Drivers, drivers, drivers,...Why on earth is the SB16 not yet supported, or the Hercules Dynamite Pro ( based on the ET4000win32i) which is reasonably inexpensive and is a good graphics' card. Instead all I see is ATI and Video 7 and S3 unnamed cards. People will not pay $500 for a video card and the SB series is the most popular on the planet. NS is nice, but I guess it will be (for me) like OS/2. I will simply wait for the drivers. I assume they will show up, but in the meantime Windows does most of what I need. The problem is that it would be nice to stay within NS as it's such a nice system. However colour is enticing and after 24 megs, a VL graphics' card, etc...and still no colour, well... PS: For those who think one should jump when ATI comes out with something, I simply have to tell them to jump. Overpriced and underwhelming. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Memory on an ISA system (16meg boundary?) Message-ID: <CL38Co.KLM@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 01:34:00 GMT I have a PC (VL+ISA) with 16megs of RAM. I put in 4 more and the system crawled to snail's pace in NS ( but fster in Windows). I have a VL bus Hercules Dynamite Pro, VL IDE/Floppy/serial/parallel, PAS 16 and Adaptec 1542 which only runs a CD-ROM. The hard drives are all IDE, and the system is still slow if I remove the 1542CF and PAS16 drivers from NS. Does NS have a 16meg limit on ISA systems, or some kind of problem with the SCSI card even being in the system? Any ideas would be much appreciated. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: dicosmo@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Roberto DiCosmo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Date: 15 Feb 1994 15:17:27 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jqp27$894@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <2jhmna$63l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <14769@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Keywords: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers In article <14769@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, haugelan+@pitt.edu (John C Haugeland) writes: |> Today, gregory@athena.mit.edu (Gregory B Howland) (NSProducts) announced |> a line of NeXTstep notebook computers based on the Intelligent Notebook |> Systems VESAbook series. Last month, he announced some NeXTstep laptops |> based on the ERGO PowerBrick series. How are these two announcements |> related? (To judge from the announcements, the PowerBricks were more |> expensive, but had more video RAM.) Why the change? |> |> One other _very important_ question that these two announcements do |> not clearly address: Does NeXTstep support color on these machines? |> |> John |> haugelan+@pitt.edu |> As far as I know, there is no VLB (local bus) docking station for the Ergo, while the VESAbook series has it _now_. Also, since there is no color support available now for *any* portable in the market, 1Mb VRAM is just wasted money (somebody is working on color drivers for laptops, but in any case, you are probably not going to see it soon). Last, but not least, the VESAbook is _substantially_ cheaper than the Ergo. Clearly, in a couple of months we should be able to see better high-end portables for not that much more money, and I would not be surprised to see another announce from NSP soon for a machine with all the bells and whistles like powerbook-like trackball, "double-life" battery as in the Nec Versa E etc, but all in all, I believe that this machine is _the_ right portable for NEXTSTEP *now*, and I am actually buying one through NSP just now. I will post a review as soon as I can get my machine :-) --Roberto
From: info@absystems.com (Advanced Business Systems) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Message-ID: <2jqsui$m2j@inxs.concert.net> Date: 15 Feb 94 16:23:46 GMT References: <2jqp27$894@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT In article <2jqp27$894@netnews.upenn.edu> dicosmo@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Roberto DiCosmo) writes: > > Also, since there is no color support available now for *any* portable in > the market, 1Mb VRAM is just wasted money (somebody is working on color drivers for laptops, but in any case, you are probably not going to see it soon). > Gee, I could have sworn I saw a Versa E running with color at the Eastcoase Developer's Conference using Talus' driver for the Notebook. Dave -- Advanced Business Systems (919) 682-8553 [Voice] A NeXTSTEP-only Reseller (919) 682-1126 [Fax] NeXT Object Channel Membership Pending info@absystems.com NeXTmail Warmly Accepted ******A proud Authorized Reseller for: Data General, Digital and Intel****** Specializing in NeXTSTEP Systems Integration and Office Automation
From: john@nomad.phys.lsu.edu (John Woodward) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT fans near El Paso Date: 15 Feb 1994 05:56:33 GMT Organization: Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge Message-ID: <2jpo6h$16op@te6000.otc.lsu.edu> References: <1994Feb14.011005.16030@selway.umt.edu> In response to NeXT fans in Colorado.... are there any NeXT fans out there in or near El Paso, Texas? Or, am I the only such soul around? -- - john@nomad.phys.lsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Message-ID: <1994Feb15.171124.24367@news.media.mit.edu> Keywords: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <14769@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <138628@hydra.gatech.EDU> <dgursky.761260063@news.andi.org> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 17:11:24 GMT In article <dgursky.761260063@news.andi.org> dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Gursky) writes: >>gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John "Kzin" Rudd) writes: >> >>>The ones that put a trackball above the keyboard are just silly >>>(unforunately, the official next laptop is one of these (the NEC Versa) >> >>NEC has recently updated the Versa with the "E" series. The Versa E's use >>more powerful CPU's and now include an integrated trackball below the keyboard. >>Literally. Unlike the Powerbooks, which have the keyboard "high" and a >>trackball below the keyboard, but still on the main plane of the notebook, >>the NEC Versa E's still have the keyboard mounted low, and the trackball and >>mouse buttons are mounted on the edge of the system, perpendicular to the main >>plane of the notebook. >> Even more importantly, they have a color NeXTSTEP driver! -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) --> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office)
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Mail Pictures Date: 15 Feb 1994 12:13:02 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9402151813.AA06726@dcs.shef.ac.uk> [Thanks to Paul Lynch for pointing me in the right direction on this one a couple of days ago -- any mistakes in the folowing are mine not his. This message is cc-ed to sysadmin as a follow-up to the same question I posted a couple of days ago.] > I am setting up a new mail system for a network of NeXT > computers. I would like to be able to have pictures > appear for the person who sent a message. I know how to > do this for people actually on my network (By adding the > image to /LocalLibrary/Images/People/(username).tiff and > then running mailDBupdate). What I would like to do is > to have pictures appear for mail sent from accounts > outside of my network. > To have pictures appear for mail sent from accounts outside of your local network simply: Quit Mail add "bogus" user names to the passwd file in /LocalLibrary/Images/People/ which you created by running mailDBupdate of the form: m.crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk::::::/bin/csh and add apropriately-named icons, e.g m.crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk.tiff (use all-lower-case throughout). Restart Mail, and "it just works". I suspect you will run into problems if you have set up a cron job to run mailDBupdate since this overwrites the passwd file... I'm not sure what's the best way of getting round this; some solutions may have security problems...?! I hope this helps, Have fun, mmalcolm.
From: dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Missing NeXTworld magazine? Date: 15 Feb 1994 20:08:38 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Distribution: na Message-ID: <2jra46$fhl@nwfocus.wa.com> I know that I have seen this question before, but I have a new twist. I have yet to receive the Feb issue of NeXTWorld magazine and it is not available in local bookstores. I called the 1-800 number listed in the magazine and was told that the Feb issue was not complete and would be shipped later this week. I seem to remebmer that people had already received their issue. Have you? Has anybody else called the 1-800 number and gotten a differnet story? Any info appreciated. Dean Johnson BTW, I'm on the west coast (Seattle) if that makes a difference. -- NeXTmail Please | More computer stuff! | dean@thrall.com | - My wife |
From: dicosmo@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Roberto DiCosmo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Date: 15 Feb 1994 21:53:00 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <DICOSMO.94Feb15165301@saul.cis.upenn.edu> References: <14769@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <138628@hydra.gatech.EDU> <dgursky.761260063@news.andi.org> <1994Feb15.171124.24367@news.media.mit.edu> In-reply-to: wave@media.mit.edu's message of Tue, 15 Feb 1994 17:11:24 GMT It seems that things are really starting to move the right direction for NEXTSTEP notebooks: I just claimed that there is no color driver available on the market now (yes, I am in the mailing list for Talus's driver information, but no, I did not hear any news directly from them), and already two people having seen a color Versa with color NEXTSTEP. WOW!!!!! [relevant articles quoted at the end] Now, 2 points: - PLEASE, do not retain information on these _important_ news: if you see a color driver "really running", post a message! When will the driver be available for people to buy? How much is it? Will Talus support other machines? Will my VESAbook see such a driver soon? :-) Was the Nec able to _directly_ support high resolution on an external monitor under NEXTSTEP? - About the Nec Versa: yes, it is a _way_ cool machine, but: i) the cheapest I could find is 4900$ for 4/340/50Mhz Active-Matrix Nec Versa E. Add the 12Mb memory, and you go _way_ out of my spending limits :-) ii) Many users on comp.sys.laptops reported repeateble problems with the swappable floppy disk iii) I needed the machine _now_ and the VESA seems to be the best one can find (keep in mind that you get 128K _external_ cache, too), for an affordable price. So, up to now I know of people running/having run NEXTSTEP on (please notice: in alphabetical order :-)): AST Powerexec/DecPC Ergo Powerbrick Nec Versa (new and old models) Texas Instrument 4000 VESABook/Sager etc Isn't it time to start a comp.sys.next.laptops? --Roberto In article <dgursky.761260063@news.andi.org> dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Gursky) writes: >>NEC has recently updated the Versa with the "E" series. The Versa E's use >>more powerful CPU's and now include an integrated trackball below the keyboard. >>Literally. Unlike the Powerbooks, which have the keyboard "high" and a >>trackball below the keyboard, but still on the main plane of the notebook, >>the NEC Versa E's still have the keyboard mounted low, and the trackball and >>mouse buttons are mounted on the edge of the system, perpendicular to the main >>plane of the notebook. >> Even more importantly, they have a color NeXTSTEP driver! >In article <2jqp27$894@netnews.upenn.edu> dicosmo@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Roberto >DiCosmo) writes: >> >> Also, since there is no color support available now for *any* portable in >> the market, 1Mb VRAM is just wasted money (somebody is working on color >> drivers for laptops, but in any case, you are probably not going to see it >> soon). >> >Gee, I could have sworn I saw a Versa E running with color at the Eastcoase >Developer's Conference using Talus' driver for the Notebook. > >Dave > >-- >Advanced Business Systems (919) 682-8553 [Voice] >A NeXTSTEP-only Reseller (919) 682-1126 [Fax] >NeXT Object Channel Membership Pending info@absystems.com >NeXTmail Warmly Accepted >******A proud Authorized Reseller for: Data General, Digital and Intel****** > Specializing in NeXTSTEP Systems Integration and Office Automation
From: bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SoftPC on Intel (How good is it?) Date: 15 Feb 1994 22:20:43 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <2jrhrr$p4h@transfer.stratus.com> References: <2jp0hf$8e0@Times.Stanford.EDU> In article <2jp0hf$8e0@Times.Stanford.EDU> kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) writes: > In article <CL744r.5A0@nosloc.com>, Derek Collison <derek@nosloc.com> wrote: > >I have used SoftPC under black hardware. I was not pleased. Could I have > >some comments on SoftPC running under NS/FIP? What is the performance like? > >How are the graphics? > > Any information is appreciated. > > > >=derek > > I too have been wondering about SoftPC. Why haven't we seen more traffic > in the Next newsgroups about it since the release of 3.2. I'm surpised. > I have SoftPC loaded and running on Intel hardware. So far, I am pretty satisfied. I have Microsoft Word and Ascend loaded and operational. Today I loaded Bravo! and even the tutorial, which is one of those where it takes over the cursor and drives, works fine. I haven't had any problems with cut and paste. If you are looking for gripes: 1) The graphic performance seems slower than in native Windows mode. 2) It sure would be nice if I could just run those DOS apps off of my DOS partition rather than having to load the software twice! 3) It doesn't appear to allow me to access my SCSI DAT drive. I thought it would be nice to use Norton Backup to backup my DOS partition from SoftPC. Then if I ever couldn't boot DOS, I could reload it from NextStep... (I keep a DOS/Windows environment around for my wife...) 4) It seems to take forever to get Windows booted. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Message-ID: <1994Feb15.215510.8958@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2jqsui$m2j@inxs.concert.net> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:55:10 GMT In article <2jqsui$m2j@inxs.concert.net> info@absystems.com (Advanced Business Systems) writes: > In article <2jqp27$894@netnews.upenn.edu> dicosmo@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Roberto > DiCosmo) writes: > > > > Also, since there is no color support available now for *any* portable in > > the market, 1Mb VRAM is just wasted money (somebody is working on color > drivers for laptops, but in any case, you are probably not going to see it > soon). > > > Gee, I could have sworn I saw a Versa E running with color at the Eastcoase > Developer's Conference using Talus' driver for the Notebook. Well, so did I. But that doesn't mean that it will be available "soon"; you sort of imply that it is already available. Realistically, I would expect it available by summer. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: alexk@informix.com (Alexander Koerner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.laptops Subject: NEXTSTEP 3.2 on NEC Versa: need HD info... Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 15 Feb 1994 23:04:35 GMT Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jrke3$9ld@infmx.informix.com> Hi, I am looking for an additional HD > 200 MB in order to install NeXTSTEP on it. There is for sure the option to get a drive directly from NEC, but this option is quite expensive. I also would use an external SCSI disk, if either a PCMCIA SCSI card or a parallel SCSI adaptor would be supported by NS 3.2... Are there any other sources for removable NEC Versa HDs besides NEC??? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I heard that they (NEC) are using either Seagate and/or Conner drives... Greetings & thanks in advance, Alexander Email: alexk@informix.com
From: info@absystems.com (Advanced Business Systems) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers Message-ID: <2jrlpn$t1t@inxs.concert.net> Date: 15 Feb 94 23:27:51 GMT References: <1994Feb15.215510.8958@seer.demon.co.uk> Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT In article <1994Feb15.215510.8958@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes: > Well, so did I. But that doesn't mean that it will be available "soon"; > you sort of imply that it is already available. Realistically, I would > expect it available by summer. > > Paul Paul, I am sorry I missed you at the Conference since we've talked on the phone...Talus informs me it may be released within a month or two at the most. Dave ps...maybe we'll meet at the Expo this year. -- Advanced Business Systems (919) 682-8553 [Voice] A NeXTSTEP-only Reseller (919) 682-1126 [Fax] NeXT Object Channel Membership Pending info@absystems.com NeXTmail Warmly Accepted ******A proud Authorized Reseller for: Data General, Digital and Intel****** Specializing in NeXTSTEP Systems Integration and Office Automation
From: traupman-jonathan@cs.yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! How do I bypass rc.local on reboot? Date: 15 Feb 1994 18:02:29 -0500 Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jrka5INN57a@PYTHON.ZOO2.CS.YALE.EDU> I've just been a moron. I just installed the new SLIP software for NS/intel on my machine, but didn't configure it properly. Unfortunately, now it tries to connect on startup because the installer put something in rc.local, but since the connection doesn't work, it just hangs. Is there any way of booting up and skipping rc.local so that I can get in a comment out the offending commands? I am running NeXTstep for intel version 3.2. Any assistance would be *greatly* appreciated. Thanks, Jon -- Jon Traupman - jont@suned.cs.yale.edu | "It wasn't always like this, PO Box 203124 | I had a real life...once." New Haven, CT 06520-3124 | (203) 436 3243 | -from "Armies of Darkness"
From: icardena@dcl-nextsc (Ian Patrick Cardenas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Summary -- Re: pls help -- can't run DOOM on black Date: 16 Feb 1994 00:21:15 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2jrotr$fm3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <BURNS.94Feb11125039@wildcat.bellcore.com> <CL68x2.ADs@walter.bellcore.com> >So I downloaded the FAT file again and did the following: >>mv DOOM1_2_FAT.compressed DOOM1_2_FAT.tar.Z. >>zcat DOOM1_2_FAT.tar.Z | tar xvf - Uhhhh. Am I to assume that .compressed is equivalent to a .tar.Z in all cases? I was just checking because I had not come across this before. Thanx for your help. -Ian -- *x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x* Love:"Floats like a flower petal, X Ian Cardenas X stings like a cattle prod." X CS Major at UIUC X -A real stud hombre cybermuffinX icardena@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu X
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) Subject: window position at login Message-ID: <CLAp7x.8J9@cc.umontreal.ca> Summary: how to set at certain position Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 02:21:29 GMT I have certain programs on my dock that auto-launch when I login on this NextStep 3.0 black cube, but their windows dont pop up where I left them last time I logged in. Like VirtSpace for example. Is there a dwrite or something to force them to place a window where I want it when I log in, instead of at a default position? One more thing: Some programs don't hide when auto-launched. How do I have them stay hidden when launched? Thanks again! Odisseas
From: rogata@is-next.umd.edu (Richard Scott Ogata) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Color Portables (was Re: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers) Date: 16 Feb 1994 05:01:58 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <2js9c6$ruf@umd5.umd.edu> References: <2jhmna$63l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <14769@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <2jqp27$894@netnews.upenn.edu> Keywords: NEXTSTEP Notebook Computers In article <2jqp27$894@netnews.upenn.edu> dicosmo@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Roberto DiCosmo) writes: >Also, since there is no color support available now for *any* portable in >the market, 1Mb VRAM is just wasted money (somebody is working on color >drivers for laptops, but in any case, you are probably not going to see it >soon). Hmmm, I disagree with that one. I saw the beta driver that Talus wrote for the NEC Versa Lite E, and it was pretty good. 16 bit color. It wasn't flawless; some flicker when you looked closely. But, it was still very good. That was about a month ago. From what I could gather, this driver was written for a semi-common video chipset, from Western Digital if I'm not mistaken. This meant that the driver worked for several different laptops. I haven't called them or sent email, so I'm not sure of the current status of the driver. I hope it's out, since we're ordering a bunch of Versas. In the long term, NeXT says that they'll support 8 bit color in the release that coincides with the HP rollout, and therefore it is important to pay attention to the amount of video RAM and the relative video performance of any laptop you buy now if you want it to run in color in a few months. Rich Ogata rogata@arpa.mil
From: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Copy NeXT Install Floppy Date: 16 Feb 1994 07:40:44 GMT Organization: Computer Center, National Chiao-Tung University, Taiwan Message-ID: <2jsils$kdd@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> References: <demarest.761214310@rerf.or.jp> Timothy Demarest (demarest@rerf.or.jp) wrote: : Is there a way to make a copy of the NeXT 3.2 Boot Disk : that you use to install from the CDROM? I have a unique : setup with NS/FIP on my second IDE drive and use the floppy : to boot when I want to run NS. I want to make a copy of the : boot disk so I dont keep using the original. I don't know indeed what you want ... If you just want to make a copy of Boot Disk, some tools in DOS can make a DISK mirror fully. ( like HD-COPY or another tools ) If you want to make a boot disk to access system ( like me, my system is in SCSI, but sometimes need to boot from floopy and access the IDE harddisk ) you should use the mach kernel in your system ( not just copy the one form boot disk ) Mark
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Calling all sdformat users. Date: 16 Feb 1994 10:10:20 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2jsrec$11u@steffi.demon.co.uk> Hello folks, shortly I'm going to be upgrade my harddrive to 3.2 and was wondering who has used sdformat on a stock standard SEAGATE ST1480 Here's what I plan on doing. 1. Backup !!! 2. sdformat 3. boot from NS3.2 boot disk and do a complete reinstall. (Probably, will check that the boot disk is functional before 2) Cheers. Any noticeable improvements after you sdformatted? -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2jsrh8$13j@steffi.demon.co.uk> Control: cancel <2jsrh8$13j@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: 16 Feb 1994 10:13:22 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2jsrk2$145@steffi.demon.co.uk> <2jsrh8$13j@steffi.demon.co.uk> was cancelled from within trn. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: lunde@cs.tu-berlin.de (Lars Grupe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP on a Server Date: 16 Feb 1994 19:44:43 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2jtt3b$7t5@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <2jnvk8$he0@bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit rjh@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Rupert Hollom) writes: >Sorry if this is in the FAQ, but I have only just got my copy of >NeXTSTEP and so have not been reading this newsgroup. >The machine that I want to run NeXTSTEP on has not got a SCSI CD-ROM, >however the server that we have got here has. The server is not >running NeXTSTEP but can I install the software on the server and then >get my machine (a 486 DX 50 with 16MB RAM and 420 MB IDE disc) to boot >from the server, or to have the minimal amount of NeXT on the local >machine and the rest located on the server. The server will be >running NFS protocol. >If anyone has got any advice/info or can point me in the direction of >suitable documentation thAt would be great. >Cheers Rupert. >E-Mail : rjh@ecs.soton.ac.uk As far as I know, it is not possible to boot NextStep diskless off an NFS server. My config looks like this: 120 MB (minimum) locally for the base system. Thats all you need for booting singleuser + swap-space. The rest of the System (Apps, Developer, Fonts, ...) is being mounted via NFS from the server. This does work. It is working damn slow, but it does.... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Grupe UID lunde <lunde@cs.tu-berlin.de> Technische Universitaet Berlin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu (Dhiren Jeram Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anyone know how to access parallel port on Gateway? Date: 16 Feb 1994 12:12:27 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2jtunb$jf1@girtab.usc.edu> I just installed NS 3.2 on my Gateway 4DX2-66V, but I access the parallel port. NS says it wants the port at 0x378, and mine seems to be at 0x3BC. I tried chaning the values, but it didn't work. If anyone has made this work, please let me know. Thanks... Dhiren Patel [^_^]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@lanl.gov (David R Wolf) Subject: HELP: email group address Message-ID: <1994Feb16.212855.8078@newshost.lanl.gov> Keywords: email group forwarding Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 21:28:55 GMT What I want to do is this: A bunch of dudes want to be able to mail to one address - say my machine "harpo@grouchy.gov" and have the email forwarded to a particular list of people - the bunch. Everyone in the bunch should be able to do this, and no-one but the guy who sets up the service (me) should have to keep track of who is on the forwarding list. What's the best way? -- ======================================================================= David R. Wolf wolf@lanl.gov LANL, MS P940, 87545 (505) 667-3813 ======================================================================= -- ======================================================================= David R. Wolf wolf@lanl.gov LANL, MS P940, 87545 (505) 667-3813 =======================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: window position at login Message-ID: <1994Feb16.223016.12046@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <CLAp7x.8J9@cc.umontreal.ca> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 22:30:16 GMT In article <CLAp7x.8J9@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes: > I have certain programs on my dock that auto-launch when I login on > this NextStep 3.0 black cube, but their windows dont pop up where > I left them last time I logged in. > > Like VirtSpace for example. > > Is there a dwrite or something to force them to place a window where > I want it when I log in, instead of at a default position? > > One more thing: Some programs don't hide when auto-launched. How > do I have them stay hidden when launched? Thanks again! Hide on autolaunch is implemented as a preference in most apps that can use it. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: yehia@cnd.mcgill.ca (Ali Yehia) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic NeXT ? Message-ID: <yehia.1.0012CDCD@cnd.mcgill.ca> Date: 16 Feb 94 23:48:06 GMT References: <CL8ErK.96E@utnetw.utoledo.edu> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: Physiology In article <CL8ErK.96E@utnetw.utoledo.edu> mohan@tulip (Mohan Pakkurti) writes: >From: mohan@tulip (Mohan Pakkurti)>Subject: Academic NeXT ? >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 20:40:31 GMT >Hello: >I tried to get NeXT through the college book store and they are not able to >get it for me. What alternative channels are there to buy an academic bundle. >And, is the academic bundle the same as the software sold for regular customers >What does the academic bundle contain, does it have the development system? >How much does it cost? >Hope someone here can give me some info.Thanks. >//Mohan >-- >+ Mohanakrishna Pakkurti Amateur Radio Callsign: KB8PIP + >+ HOME: 2711 West Central Avenue, Apt B-10, Toledo,OH 43606. + >+ Phone:(419)292-1436 FAX: (419)537-2915 e-mail:mohan@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu + >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have purchased NeXTSTEP 3.2 for Intel (Acadamic) for around 350 $CAN from our university computer store. It does contain the Development bundle but no printed documentation is included. So far we have not seen any difference between it and the regular one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yehia@cnd.mcgill.ca Subject: NewsReader Message-ID: <yehia.2.0012E049@cnd.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: Physiology Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 23:52:26 GMT Is there any NewsReader available for NeXTSTEP 3.2 for Intel, and where can I find it? I tried NewsGrazer but it was for Motorolla. Al the Y
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Rene Kulschewski <rene@rkt.in-berlin.de> Subject: "mkpassalia" script Message-ID: <CLC8JK.53C@rkt.in-berlin.de> Sender: news@rkt.in-berlin.de (News System) Organization: Home in Berlin Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 22:16:32 GMT Hi *, could anybody mail me the "mkpassalia" script from Faces-v.3 ?? I lost mine somewhere ... Thanx Rene -- __________________________________________________________________ Ren Kulschewski <rene@rkt.in-berlin.de> NeXTMail accepted. -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.UQF,5QF M<W=I<W,@2&5L=F5T:6-A.WT*7&UA<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT M>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P M-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R M-%QF8S!<8V8P($AI("HL7`I<"F-O=6QD(&%N>6)O9'D@;6%I;"!M92!T:&4@ M(FUK<&%S<V%L:6$B('-C<FEP="!F<F]M($9A8V5S+78N,R`_/UP*22!L;W-T M(&UI;F4@<V]M97=H97)E("XN+EP*7`I4:&%N>%P*4F5N95P*+2U<"@I<<&%R M9%QT>#4R,%QT>#$P-C!<='@Q-C`P7'1X,C$R,%QT>#(V-C!<='@S,C`P7'1X M,S<R,%QT>#0R-C!<='@T.#`P7'1X-3,R,%QF,5QB7&E<9F,P7&-F,"!?7U]? M7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]? M7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]<"@I<:3`@4F5NW2!+=6QS8VAE=W-K:2`@("`@ M("`@("`@("`@/')E;F5`<FMT+FEN+6)E<FQI;BYD93X@("`@("`@("`@("`@ ;("`@("`@3F585$UA:6P@86-C97!T960N"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: FAT c-news? Message-ID: <1994Feb16.165345.2829@afs.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 16:53:45 GMT Regarding the MAB NewsGrazer that is now available: Does anyone know if c-news compiles successfully fat? Has anyone done it? What version of c-news? Is source available? Thanx, Michael -- Michael_Pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) Subject: Mos4NX? Re: Mosaic 2.2 for Cub'X! Message-ID: <1994Feb16.203940.9400@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Feb15123342@shrug.dur.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:40 GMT In article <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Feb15123342@shrug.dur.ac.uk> "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> writes: > > Well, I couldn't stand it any longer...this morning I finally sat down > and forced Mosaic 2.2 to work with Cub'X in 16 bit mode, that's right > kids, FAST speed, great colour and it looks amazing. What are the prospects for Mosaic for NEXTSTEP... anyone working on this? Phil -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! How do I bypass rc.local on reboot? Date: 16 Feb 1994 22:42:45 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9402170442.AA01265@cantina.lanl.gov> Jonathon Traupman wrote: > > I just installed the new SLIP software for NS/intel on > my machine, but didn't configure it properly. > Unfortunately, now it tries to connect on startup because > the installer put something in rc.local, but since the > connection doesn't work, it just hangs. > > Is there any way of booting up and skipping rc.local so > that I can get in a comment out the offending commands? > > I am running NeXTstep for intel version 3.2. I just made the same mistake a few days ago. I recovered my machine, an Epson NX running 3.2 also, by booting in single user mode [I think I stopped the NS bootup with 'n' at the beep, '?' at the subsequent prompt, then something like 'sd()mach-kernel -s'.] Once at the # prompt (i.e., with root powers), I renamed the new rc.local as rc.local-pni (using 'mv') and the copied rc.local-prepni to become the new rc.local (using 'cp'). This, followed by 'reboot' eventually got me back to the NEXTSTEP log-in window, etc. But, of course, without any SLIP! I want to get past this dial-up, which only hangs up the computer (not the phone, but that times out eventually). In my case (and I suspect in Traupman's) there was an error message the flashed by about not finding a kernel (!?), just before pnid tried making phone call to my slip server. I suspect nearly every installation is different, but any clarification on this would be much appreciated. Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: fabien@free.fdn.org (Fabien Roy) Subject: Help on netinfo Message-ID: <1994Feb16.184944.12259@free.fdn.org> Sender: news@free.fdn.org Organization: Fabien Roy Electronic Engineering (F.R.E.E.) - Paris, France. Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:49:44 GMT Does any body knows how to get in objective-c a list of the user's login name from the / netinfo domain like nidump does? I would like to retain login name and real life name. I know how to do it in a shell script: nidump passwd / | awk -F: ' { printf("(%s) %s\n",$5,$1); }' | sort (Alain Cleaudeville) alain (Alain Forcioli) forcioli Thanks. --Fabien --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMail accepted) XO, 81 alle Danielle Casanova, 93320 Les Pavillons sous Bois France Tel: 33 1 4847 5198 Fax: 33 1 4847 5175
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anyone know how to access parallel port on Gateway? Date: 17 Feb 1994 06:04:20 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2jv1d4$ljn@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2jtunb$jf1@girtab.usc.edu> In article <2jtunb$jf1@girtab.usc.edu>, Dhiren Jeram Patel <djpatel@girtab.usc.edu> wrote: >I just installed NS 3.2 on my Gateway 4DX2-66V, but I access the parallel port. >NS says it wants the port at 0x378, and mine seems to be at 0x3BC. I tried >chaning the values, but it didn't work. If anyone has made this work, please >let me know. Thanks... > >Dhiren Patel [^_^] > In the Cmos setup try changing the parallel port to LPT2. I had to do this on my gateway. This will give a printer with port address x378. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Re: Don' t play DOOM! :-) Message-ID: <CLCLpy.ADL@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <2jp21c$807@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 02:57:08 GMT In article <2jp21c$807@solaris.cc.vt.edu> bg@la.async.vt.edu writes: > Don't play the demo version of the DOOM! :-) > You will be pissed off after getting at the final stage. > SO I deleted and I decided not to buy the shareware version. > ID might have thought I would buy after being pissed off, but I decided > not to instead. :-) > > Hey, I am not gonna give you any clue how to get there. :-) Why are you pissed? I finished it to but fail to see a reason to be pissed. Am I missing something? --- -------------------------------------------------------------------- James P. Klett klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu jimbo@oingo.umn.edu (SLIP) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Slip Slipping' away... NeXT Mail Preferred --------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: HELP: email group address Message-ID: <1994Feb17.000945.12633@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <1994Feb16.212855.8078@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 00:09:45 GMT In article <1994Feb16.212855.8078@newshost.lanl.gov> wolf@lanl.gov (David R Wolf) writes: > What I want to do is this: > > A bunch of dudes want to be able to mail to one address - say > my machine "harpo@grouchy.gov" and have the email forwarded to a > particular list of people - the bunch. > > Everyone in the bunch should be able to do this, and no-one but the > guy who sets up the service (me) should have to keep track of who is > on the forwarding list. > > What's the best way? Just to keep it simple, for a small list just create an alias in NetInfoManager. Create a new directory in the /aliases directory, and give it the name of your list (say, harpo); then add a property called members, and create a set of values for that property, one value for each email address on the list. That's it. Send mail to harpo@grouchy.gov, and it will go to all list members. Sendmail has a habit of leaving you off if you post to the list yourself, but that's about all to look out for. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SoftPC on Intel (How good is it?) Date: 17 Feb 1994 07:05:28 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <2jv4vo$qgp@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <2jrhrr$p4h@transfer.stratus.com> I cannot get windows to work in SoftPC's full-screen mode. I always get a hardware error, and I am running on a vanilla Intel GX/Pro with on-board ATI/Pro. Insignia does not seem to be able to help me either. > 1) The graphic performance seems slower than in native Windows mode. > 2) It sure would be nice if I could just run those DOS apps off of my > DOS partition rather than having to load the software twice! > 3) It doesn't appear to allow me to access my SCSI DAT drive. I thought > it would be nice to use Norton Backup to backup my DOS partition from > SoftPC. Then if I ever couldn't boot DOS, I could reload it from > NextStep... (I keep a DOS/Windows environment around for my wife...) > 4) It seems to take forever to get Windows booted. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com > Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 > Telecom CAC > 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018 -- Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
From: next2@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: SoftPC on Intel (How good is it?) Date: 17 Feb 94 07:40:38 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <next2.761470838@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <CL744r.5A0@nosloc.com> <2jp0hf$8e0@Times.Stanford.EDU> kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) writes: >Is there any reason to ever boot real DOS/Windows again? Yes. MS Access simply does not work under SoftPC. I'm a bit sad about this, because WinWord, Excel and so on don't cause any trouble. Regards, Markus. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Expert in quantum bogodynamics
From: Sean.Hill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean L. Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SoftPC on Intel (How good is it?) Date: 17 Feb 1994 09:45:53 GMT Organization: Institut de Physiologie, Universite de Lausanne Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[8561] Message-ID: <2jvech$l1t@cisun2000.unil.ch> References: <CL744r.5A0@nosloc.com> <2jp0hf$8e0@Times.Stanford.EDU> <next2.761470838@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. Had anyone been able to run the Windows version of S-Plus on SoftPC under nextstep? Thanks- Sean L. Hill Institut de Physiologie / Universite de Lausanne Rue du Bugnon, 7 CH-1005 Lausanne SWITZERLAND E-mail: Sean.Hill@iphysiol.unil.ch NEXTMAIL: hill@iisnext1.unil.ch
From: mark@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca (Mark Gregory Salyzyn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! How do I bypass rc.local on reboot? Message-ID: <CLCw4x.IKC@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 06:46:08 GMT References: <2jrka5INN57a@PYTHON.ZOO2.CS.YALE.EDU> Organization: VE6MGS Gateway traupman-jonathan@cs.yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) writes: >Is there any way of booting up and skipping rc.local so that I can get in >a comment out the offending commands? At the boot: prompt, enter -s to go into single user mode. edit rc.local. Ciao -- Mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mohan@tulip (Mohan Pakkurti) Subject: Graphics terminal for NeXTStep ? Message-ID: <CLDFxA.4uu@utnetw.utoledo.edu> Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:53:34 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.next.hardware ] [ Author was Mohan Pakkurti ] [ Posted on Thu, 17 Feb 1994 12:38:20 GMT ] Hello: I want to know what kind of graphics terminal can be used with NeXT which can provide all the GUI stuff on the terminal. Just like the X Terminals used on workstations supporting X. Hope someone here can help. Thanks. //Mohan mohan@tulip.es.utoledo.edu -- + Mohanakrishna Pakkurti Amateur Radio Callsign: KB8PIP + + HOME: 2711 West Central Avenue, Apt B-10, Toledo,OH 43606. + + Phone:(419)292-1436 FAX: (419)537-2915 e-mail:mohan@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu + -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: info@absystems.com (Advanced Business Systems) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What Machine Does Windows NT Run Best On? Date: 17 Feb 1994 14:51:17 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2k0095$s3t@inxs.concert.net> A friend of mine just forwarded this onto me...looks like Microsoft takes a beating in that particular newsgroup quite frequently From: Denise Blakeley <blake015@bullnext.mc.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 09:00:52 -0500 To: info@absystems.com Subject: Your humor for today I just saw this on rec.humor.funny! Q. What machine does Windows NT run best on? A. A 35mm slide projector. Dave -- Paradigm Shift, Inc. (919) 682-8553 [Voice] A NeXT Object Channel Member (919) 682-1126 [Fax] NeXTMail Welcomed (temporary domain) info@absystems.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jerald@mrk.com (Jerald Dawson) Subject: Help! Directory turned into a file Message-ID: <1994Feb17.150859.2075@mrk.com> Sender: jerald@mrk.com Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 15:08:59 GMT Hi all, Sure hope you can help me. I ftped the FAT DOOM lastnight and got it to my black machine and when I tryed to decompress it, it turned into a file instead of folder. The file is 5 meg so I assume it did decompress but it just has the generic file icon. I opened it in edit and it looks like what the structure of a folder whould be, I see lists of filnames and lots of binary junk. Anyways, is there a way to convert it back into a folder or am I going to have to start over. This thing was amlost 3 meg and it took a heck of a long time to download to my system so I'd appreciate any help. thanks in advance -- jerald dawson*Systems Manager / Head Programmer*Investor's Advantage NeXTmail-jerald@mrk.com |"To compel a man to furnish contributions of phone - (708) 487-3221|money for the propogation of opinions which he fax - (708) 526-3635|disbelieves is sinful and tyranical" Thomas Jefferson
From: Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic NeXT ? Date: 17 Feb 1994 16:41:59 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University Message-ID: <2k06oo$n4r@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <yehia.1.0012CDCD@cnd.mcgill.ca> In article <CL8ErK.96E@utnetw.utoledo.edu> mohan@tulip (Mohan Pakkurti) writes: >From: mohan@tulip (Mohan Pakkurti)>Subject: Academic NeXT ? >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 20:40:31 GMT > > Hello: > > I tried to get NeXT through the college book store and they are not able to > get it for me. What alternative channels are there to buy an academic bundle. > > And, is the academic bundle the same as the software sold for regular customers > What does the academic bundle contain, does it have the development system? > How much does it cost? > > Hope someone here can give me some info.Thanks. > > //Mohan > -- > + Mohanakrishna Pakkurti Amateur Radio Callsign: KB8PIP > + > + HOME: 2711 West Central Avenue, Apt B-10, Toledo,OH 43606. > + > + Phone:(419)292-1436 FAX: (419)537-2915 e-mail:mohan@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu > + > In article tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: I am suprised that no one has mentioned the fact that any student or academic staff member can easily get NS3.2 via mail order from Diskovery Educational Systems. You have to establish yourself as a actual student/faculty/staff person first. Thereafter, a simple phone call with Visa or Master Card is all you need. Phone: (800) 331-5489 FAX: (407) 683-8416 Diskovery is located in West Palm Beach, Florida. --Tim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bazavan@cup.hp.com (Valentin Bazavan) Subject: NS/I and OS/2 Boot Manager Summary: How to boot NeXTSTEP using the Boot Manager Sender: news@cupnews0.cup.hp.com (News Admin) Message-ID: <CLDnAx.JEH@cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 16:32:56 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard I am posting this article for Chris Martin (cmart@uva386.schools.virginia.edu). If you have questions, please contact him directly. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Booting NEXTSTEP with OS/2's Bootmanager This document describes the procedure for installing NEXTSTEP for Intel processors (NSfip), OS/2 2.1, and MSDOS 6.x and booting them from OS/2's Bootmanager menu. It also describes booting NSfip from drives other than the systems boot drive. Relevant documents regarding this procedure are; NeXTAnswers document 1487 Booting From Alternative Hard Disk Drive (Available from ftp.next.com) and a procedure that I received via email that described installing NSfip and booting it from Bootmanager. I will email this document on request. NOTE: The author(s) of this document are not responsible for any loss of data, damage to system, or any other problems that may occur due to the information based in this document. This document is provided as is and is use at your own risk. This system worked for me, but your mileage will vary. Don't forget, you will be fdisk'ing and formatting your drives during this procedure, don't forget to make adequate backups. This procedure takes time, so take your time. Feel free to email me if you need some help. I can be reached at cmart@uva386.schools.Virginia.EDU ----------------------------------------------------------------- The story thus far: I wanted to put NSfip on my system. The problem was that I already had OS/2 2.1, DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.1 on my system. I couldn't find any instructions on how to install NSfip on a secondary drive _and_ boot it from OS/2's Bootmanager. All I could find was one or the other. So I gathered all of the information I could get and compiled a method of doing this. The first document I found was the NeXTAnswers document 1487 that described how to boot NSfip from a secondary HD. The next document was sent to me via email, it described booting NSfip from OS/2's Bootmanager, but only from the primary drive. My biggest HD was 245, so that option was out. I combined these two documents and came up with the following. Hope this helps someone out there. If you find any spelling errors, mistakes, know easier ways of doing things, etc., email me with the hints/corrections and I will repost the document with the changes. This document should be considered as still in beta test stage (first release anyway), so it will have some mistakes. Again email me if you find any. Thanks to everyone who helped me with this documnet. ----------------------------------------------------------------- This method assumes you have a pretty good knowledge of computers, OS/2, DOS, and NS. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Assemble your system with all of your HD's just like it will be when you are finished. You don't want to change drive letters on OS/2. + Boot OS/2 from the "Installation Diskette", insert "Diskette 1" when it asks. Hit escape when it is finished booting to go to an OS/2 command prompt. (The instructions for this are in the OS/2 manual) + Run OS/2's FDISK. fdisk My boot drive is a 130 meg IDE drive, so I had limited space. I created the following partitions: 1 MB Bootmanager 7 MB Primary (for dos, drive c:, don't forget to give it the c: designation) 65 MB Extended Logical (for OS/2, it can be booted from an extended partition) 50 MB Extended Logical (This was for windows and utils.) 7 MB Free Space (don't partition, leave it as free space. This will be the boot partition for NSfip and will be partitioned under NSfip) Create the partitions you need. Add the DOS and OS/2 partitions to the Bootmanager menu. You can adjust these partitions to meet your needs. You will need the 1 MB Bootmanager, as well as the 7 MB free space at the end of the drive for NSfip, other than that, you may change the numbers to meet your needs. Save changes and exit, reboot the machine using the install disks for DOS, or a boot disk with DOS 6.x and format on it. Watch what the MSDOS install does, it likes to be the only OS on the system. I made a backup of my DOS 6.2 directory on tape, made a DOS 6.2 bootdisk with format.com on it, just to avoid using DOS 6.x's install. (I had a bad experience with it deleting 2 hours of work installing/configuring Linux, so be careful) If you make a boot disk: + Boot DOS and type: format c: /s /u from this point I installed DOS from my tape drive. If you are using the original DOS disks: + Boot DOS disk 1 and follow the instllation instructions + Reboot using the OS/2 install disks. Follow the instructions on installing OS/2. Install defaults to install on drive c:, so you will need to choose to install OS/2 on another partition. The install will run fdisk, choose the drive/partition that you wish to install OS/2 on and set it as installable. Complete the OS/2 installation. Shutdown OS/2 and turn off the power. + Get ready to install NSfip. Disable all floppies except the 3.5" drive. Unattached and disable (in BIOS) all HD's except the drive you are going to install NSfip on to. As always, it is best to install NSfip on a clean system with the default values of the peripherals you are using. Install NSfip with just the basic device drivers. Add or remove special drivers later. NOTE: If you are installing onto a second IDE drive, don't forget to take out the first drive, change any jumper settings on the second drive regarding the master/slave settings, and change the BIOS to reflect the change in drives. If you are installing onto a SCSI HD, take out all IDE drives (though this step might not be necessary, I found it to simplify the NSfip installation) and make sure that the HD is SCSI id 0, and the chain is properly terminated. Once your system is setup, proceed with the NSfip installation. + Boot from the NSfip installation diskette. Follow the installation instructions provided with NSfip and install the OS. Since you may have disabled your IDE HD's, NSfip assumes that you don't want to install the IDE driver. You may do this at install time, but I would install NSfip, log out, power down, reboot into NSfip to make sure everything is setup correctly, then install the driver using the Configure.app. Since you now should only have one drive in your system, install NSfip on that drive. My install drive was a 245 SCSI drive. SCSI simplifies the installation procedure greatly. If you setup you system correctly you won't have to edit the /etc/fstab file. Editing this file can render NSfip unbootable. You will need to edit this file if you plan on booting from a second IDE drive, or if you plan to change the SCSI drive in such a way that it will not be device 0. For more information, see the NeXTAnswers document 1487. It explains how to edit this file according to your system. Due to the fact that I did not have to do this, I will not include this procedure in this file. I don't want to confuse things any more than possible. + Reattach all HD's Make sure that boot manager comes up when you reboot. Turn off the machine. + Boot NSfip from the installation floppy. At the Boot: prompt type: sd(n)mach_kernel where n is the SCSI device of the boot drive. If you leave the drive on id 0, it will always be device 0 so you would type "sd(0)mach_kernel" If you are trying to boot NSfip from a second IDE drive, try replacing sd with hd like this, "hd(1)mach_kernel" This would boot from the second IDE drive. Note: don't forget to edit your fstab file if your boot device number changes. See 1487 for details. I had a little trouble booting NSfip from the floppy. I would type "sd(0)mach_kernel" and it would reboot my machine. I noticed that with the IDE drives attached, my Adaptec 1542C would not install its BIOS into memory, therefore, the boot floppy had know way of seeing the sd(0) device and would reboot. I rooted around in the cards setup utility and found a setting that would install the BIOS into memory. You may need to read up on your particular card to find this setting. If NSfip says "Disk x is unreadable Ignore Initialize" always ignore. It is seeing the 1 meg Bootmanager and/or the 7 megs of free space. + Format and install a bootable system on your IDE boot drive While in NSfip, open up Terminal.app located in /NeXTApps. You will need to be the superuser root to do anything to the drives, so at the prompt type su. localhost# su First, you will need to fdisk the drive. localhost# /usr/etc/fdisk /dev/rhd0h This will fdisk your first IDE HD. Use the 7 megs of freespace for NS. If you need more information on fdisk, see the man pages. To do this, type "man fdisk" at a terminal prompt. Next, format the 7 meg partition. localhost# /usr/etc/disk -i /dev/rhd0h This command formats the partition and changes the Master Boot Record on the disk, this gives you NSfip's bootmanager, and disables OS/2 Bootmanager, we'll fix that later. Now you need to mount the partition. localhost# /usr/etc/mount /dev/hd0h /disk This mounts the partition at /disk. NOTE: the /dev/hd0h may not work, I had to use /dev/hd0a. It will either mount the partition, or it won't, if it doesn't try the next letter up. (/dev/hd0a, /dev/hd0b /dev/hd0c etc.) I don't have too much UNIX experience, I just followed the NeXTAnswers document 1487. Now install the minimal boot for NSfip on the mounted partition. localhost# cd / localhost# tar cf - /usr/Devices/System.config | ( cd /disk ; tar xf - ) Now you need to edit the instance0.table on the new boot partition so it will boot from the drive NSfip is on. Using whatever editor you feel comfortable (I used vi since I was su'ed to root in my terminal anyway) Edit the file /disk/usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table Look for the line "Kernel" = "mach_kernel"; change it to "Kernel" = "sd(n)mach_kernel"; where sd is SCSI device (use hd if NSfip is on an IDE drive) and (n) is the device number of the drive from which you are booting. (It is the same as the sd(n)mach_kernel (or hd(n))you typed in when you booted from the floppy.) Exit su (type exit), exit Terminal. Logout and power off from NSfip. Restart the computer. NS's boot manager should appear (press "n" for NS, "d" for DOS...). Press d to boot DOS. While in dos type: fdisk /mbr This gets rid of the NS boot manager. Reboot the machine. OS/2's Bootmanager should appear as it did before. (If it doesn't, reboot using the OS/2 boot disks and do the following.) Go to an OS/2 command prompt. Type: fdisk Go to the 7 MB NS boot partition and add it to OS/2's bootmanager, name it whatever you want. Save changes and exit (I named mine "NEXTSTEP" for obvious reasons). Shutdown OS/2 and reboot. Bootmanger should now have three options. Go to all three in turn and see that each works as it should. Reinstall any applications etc. Well that's about it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Things I have noticed: NSfip automatically mounts the /disk partition on the IDE boot drive, my CDROM, and my second IDE, but not my 3 FAT partitions on my boot drive, I'll probably need to mount the disks in my fstab file, but, I haven't looked into this yet. NSfip will not always mount my IDE drive if I warm boot from DOS or OS/2 to NSfip, or logout of NSfip and log back in. If I cold boot everything is fine. I would recommend installing on a SCSI HD configured as device 0. This keeps you from having to mess with the fstab file. Having a separate swapdrive increases performance. I got an old Quantum 40meg OEM drive out of a dead Apple Macintosh Classic. Used the BuildDisk app and it works great. This operation takes some time. It took me around 5 hours to install everything as described above, so give yourself plenty of time. -- Chris Martin -- All opinions are mine cmart@uva386.schools.virginia.edu "Never Hesitate to Obfuscate"
From: davida@anagram.umd.edu (David Arnold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems: Frame incompatability with NS Date: 17 Feb 1994 18:32:36 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2k0d84$1u8@hecate.umd.edu> I have a user who has the black hardware, and was until recently running v2.1 of NeXTStep. They have Frame v2.0, which ran just fine on their system. When they upgraded to v3.1 of NeXTStep, they get an error when trying to run Frame. Apparently, from their discussions with NeXT and the Frame folks, Frame v2.0 is not compatable with NS v3.1. Have others found this to be true? Apparently, the folks at Frame cannot tell my user *which* version of Frame will run on their system. The questions I have are: 1) What version(s) of Frame will run on NeXTStep 3.1 on black hardware, and/or 2) What versions of NS on black hardware will run Frame 2.0. It seems kind of silly to me that the Frame folks don't know what platforms/OS their different versions will run on... Please respond directly to me at "davida@umd5.umd.edu", or just reply to this post. I'd prefer the first address, but will take this also. Thanks in advance, David Arnold University of Maryland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nlee@s6.math.umn.edu (Namyong Lee) Subject: Walnut CD ROM Nebula? Message-ID: <nlee.761510394@s6.math.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 18:39:54 GMT Hi, Does anybody ever tried this CD ROM? Any Pros/Cons? In the ad, Nebula CD also has many Fonts/Clip Arts in addition to Fat binaries. How is it? If there was any previous review, please email or post! Thanks in advance. nlee@math.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john.morgan@circles.com Subject: MISSING NEXTWORLD MAGAZINE? Message-ID: <9402171359.A6643wk@circles.com> Distribution: world Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 13:59:51 I got my Feb. issue of NeXTWORLD magazine yesterday.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: Request for Joe Freeman (re: send_attach) Message-ID: <CLE153.MtG@agedwards.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 21:31:51 GMT References: <1486@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Glenn Reid (glenn@rightbrain.com) wrote: : ...but you have to compile perl to begin with. : If you've already compiled perl, then compiling things isn't a big deal for : you. Perhaps somebody might submit a binary version of perl? Maybe a .pkg that installs things in reasonable places? Sounds like some work for next weekend... -cj -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | NeXTMail: chris@milo.st-louis.mo.us BOS Dev. Team | MIMEMail: cleeland@agedwards.com | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: We finally received NEXTSTEP 3.2 Developer! Date: 18 Feb 1994 02:55:28 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2k1an0$h90@nic-nac.CSU.net> Yes! (Only THREE MONTHS LATE...) NeXT finally sent us all of our NS 3.2 Developer copies in a single shipment. They also sent all but one of the media copies of NS 3.2 User. None of our Right-To-Use licenses have yet been fulfilled. "More details as they become available" -=EPS=- -- We should be able to announce that-which-can't-be-talked-about by mid-March. Hopefully NEXTSTEP 3.3 won't be out by then.
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help with TranSys SLIP_920904 on NeXT Date: 18 Feb 1994 04:45:47 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2k1h5r$cvp@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2jhaau$15s2@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <2jnh0f$asa@enst.enst.fr> Keywords: TransSys SLIP_920904, Annex, NeXT In article <2jnh0f$asa@enst.enst.fr>, Philippe-Andre Prindeville <philipp@res.enst.fr> wrote: > >In article <2jhaau$15s2@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, >rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu (randal rencsok) writes: >>Hello, >> >> I am trying to get Transys SLIP_920904 working on a NeXT >>using a >> Zyxel modem going through a annex server. It seems that I >>get >> a working connection (i.e. the login script shows no errors) >> I can ping via name or IP address sucessfully. But when I >>try >> to do a telnet or ftp through a terminal session my terminal >> just stops after f >> >> trying n.m.o.p... >> Connected to n.m.o.p. >> Escape character is '^]' > >Between the time that the connection message is sent, and >you actually get the login prompt, there is the telnet >option negotiation. You should run telnet with the tracing >options on to make sure that the client and server and >aimlessly trying to renegotiate the same things... > >> and here it just sits.. for at least a min or two. yet when I do >> a netstat -ar I get info immediatly. I have tried many different >> machines all to no avail, even the nameserver. But I can't seem >> to login or get through. I havn't tried Newsgrazer or Mosaic since >> it seems pointless if I can't login.. > >It isn't pointless, since it will tell you if it is just >telnet in particular that is buggered, or something wider >scale... Try rlogin. Rlogin does no negotiation. Or >telnet to the SMTP port of a local machine. > >> here is my netstat -in >>Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts >>Oerrs Coll >>en0* 1500 none none 0 0 0 >>0 0 >>lo0 1536 127 127.0.0.1 1944 0 1944 >>0 0 >>slip0 1006 35 35.8.204.100 2473 54 323 >>0 0 >>slip1 1006 none none 0 0 0 >>0 0 >>en0* 1500 none none 0 0 0 >>0 0 > >Vague possibility (but dubious): your large packets might not >be accepted by your modem... Are you using hardware flow >control? (RTS/CTS)? Can you ping in another window while >your telnet is blocked? > I had some similiar problems with some things not working with the Transys Pni-1.6. I had to raise the Mtu to 1500 to get FTP to work reliably. Try Ping with larger packets, it will probably quit well before 1500. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: We finally received NEXTSTEP 3.2 Developer! Date: 18 Feb 1994 04:50:28 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2k1hek$d68@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2k1an0$h90@nic-nac.CSU.net> In article <2k1an0$h90@nic-nac.CSU.net>, Eric P. Scott <eps@cs.sfsu.edu> wrote: >Yes! (Only THREE MONTHS LATE...) NeXT finally sent us all of >our NS 3.2 Developer copies in a single shipment. They also sent >all but one of the media copies of NS 3.2 User. None of our >Right-To-Use licenses have yet been fulfilled. > >"More details as they become available" > > -=EPS=- >-- >We should be able to announce that-which-can't-be-talked-about >by mid-March. Hopefully NEXTSTEP 3.3 won't be out by then. Now tell the truth Eric, do you have one of those mailpersons who likes to keep sacks of mail at home instead of delivering them? Or perhaps you exceeded the weight limit for UPS delivery (75 lbs)? -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: "mkpassalia" script In-Reply-To: Rene Kulschewski's message of Wed, 16 Feb 1994 22:16:32 GMT To: Rene Kulschewski <rene@rkt.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Feb17081500@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CLC8JK.53C@rkt.in-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 13:14:59 GMT In article <CLC8JK.53C@rkt.in-berlin.de> Rene Kulschewski <rene@rkt.in-berlin.de> writes: could anybody mail me the "mkpassalia" script from Faces-v.3 ?? I lost mine somewhere ... I'll do even better -- it is short enough for posting and may be useful to more people. If you put it in your /usr/adm/daily script, make sure you run it after /usr/bin/mailDBupdate which clobbers the files. Carl Edman #!/bin/sh
# # File: mkpassalia # Description: A scriptlet to automatically update the passwd and aliases # files in the /LocalLibrary/Images/People directory. # Author: Carl Edman # Created: Tue Jan 7 18:17:29 1992 # Modified: Sat Jun 12 08:51:54 1993 (Carl Edman) cedman@princeton.edu # Language: /bin/sh # ############################################################################### cd /LocalLibrary/Images/People echo "# Image aliases" >>aliases /bin/ls -1 | grep '\.tiff$' | sed 's/.tiff$//; h; s/\./@/; y/ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz/; G; s/\n/: /' >>aliases echo "# Image passwds" >>passwd /bin/ls -1 | grep '\.tiff$' | sed 's/.tiff$/::10000::.:noshell/;' >>passwd
From: shim@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Kwang-Bo Shim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DOOM Sound Effect Date: 18 Feb 1994 00:04:25 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <199402180604.HAA29643@grasp.insa-lyon.fr> Hi! I just grabbed DOOM demo with DOOM-sounds. Please let me know how I can get the sound effect. Should I purchase the licence? Merci! --
Kwangbo SHIM 87, rue Marengo, 42100 St-Etienne, FRANCE Voice, Fax & Data:(+33)77933688 Basic Schedule: 08h-18h Email: shim@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (NeXTMail OK!) #################################################################### #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: SoftPC on Intel (How good is it?) Message-ID: <CLEwo8.DD3@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <2jp0hf$8e0@Times.Stanford.EDU> <next2.761470838@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <2jvech$l1t@cisun2000.unil.ch> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 08:52:56 GMT In article <2jvech$l1t@cisun2000.unil.ch> Sean.Hill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean L. Hill) writes: >Had anyone been able to run the Windows version of S-Plus on SoftPC >under nextstep? S+ is a very important program ( which existed for black NeXT's). It's uses the 32bit mode of 386's and 486's and hence won't run under SoftPC. I doubt that software emmulation is the answer to very much. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: jeddak@echonyc.com (Jonathan Donald) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Has anyone compiled cardfile? Date: 18 Feb 1994 02:01:28 GMT Organization: ECHO BBS & Public Access Internet Site, NYC Message-ID: <2k17ho$qo@subway.echonyc.com> Summary: Has anyone successfuly compiled the UNIX program cardfile? Keywords: Database, UNIX, cardfile, NeXTSTEP Help-- I would like to know how I can compile cardfile (public domain flatfile DBMS) under NS 3.0. Has anyonew out there done this? What needs to be done? The author admits that he never tested it under Berkeley Unix and I don't know my ass from my elbow when it comes to tweaking makefiles. I would be forever in your debt. -- *************************************************************************** * So what's your point? * ***************************************************************************
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: We finally received NEXTSTEP 3.2 Develo Date: 18 Feb 1994 16:13:09 GMT Organization: E&S Distribution: world Message-ID: <2k2pel$plu@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <2k1hek$d68@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article d68@news.acns.nwu.edu, jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > In article <2k1an0$h90@nic-nac.CSU.net>, Eric P. Scott <eps@cs.sfsu.edu> wrote: > >Yes! (Only THREE MONTHS LATE...) NeXT finally sent us all of > >our NS 3.2 Developer copies in a single shipment. They also sent > >all but one of the media copies of NS 3.2 User. None of our > >Right-To-Use licenses have yet been fulfilled. > Now tell the truth Eric, do you have one of those mailpersons who > likes to keep sacks of mail at home instead of delivering them? > Or perhaps you exceeded the weight limit for UPS delivery (75 lbs)? Here's the scoop..... One week ago, UPS raised the weight limit to 150 lbs., and so their union decided it would be OK to go ahead and deliver the overweight package :-) :-) Seriously, though, the weight limit *did* go up to 150 lbs a week ago. Coincidence? Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gregg@outback.ny.tpc.com (Greg Gershowitz) Subject: Gif/Jpg viewer for Intel Message-ID: <1994Feb18.153210.4863@outback.ny.tpc.com> Organization: Out Back Trading Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 15:32:10 GMT Is there a GIF or JPG viewer for NS 3.1 for Intel? I've tried to compile the ones on cs.orst.edu, but they won't compile. Thanx. -Greg G -- "No matter who you are, no matter what you look like, deep down in the gunny sack of your soul, in the top drawer, in the back, on the bottom, we all have a pair of pants with a pocket full of kryptonite." "When God belches, it sounds OK" - Spin Doctors, Jones Beach, 7/9/93
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: We finally received NEXTSTEP 3.2 Develo Date: 18 Feb 1994 17:08:01 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2k2slh$2fq@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2k1hek$d68@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2k2pel$plu@cnn.sim.es.com> In article <2k2pel$plu@cnn.sim.es.com>, Nevin Pratt <npratt@glacier.sim.es.com> wrote: >> Or perhaps you exceeded the weight limit for UPS delivery (75 lbs)? > >Here's the scoop..... > >One week ago, UPS raised the weight limit to 150 lbs., and so their union >decided it would be OK to go ahead and deliver the overweight package :-) :-) > >Seriously, though, the weight limit *did* go up to 150 lbs a week ago. >Coincidence? Someone should have warned him not to order the documentation with the CDROMs.... -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: jdoe@agatha.art.nd.edu (J Doe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: Able Minds for Art Project Date: 18 Feb 1994 18:25:11 GMT Organization: University of Notre Dame Message-ID: <2k3167$3pd@news.nd.edu> *WANTED* MFA student seeks NeXTmail users interested in participating in an on-line art project exploring perception. Participants will be asked to respond to images via NeXTmail. This project should be fun and will require a minimal time commitment (approx. 5 min/week). Anyone interested in participating should send their address to: jdoe@agatha.art.nd.edu by February 26, 1994. jdoe@agatha.art.nd.edu
From: sean@alpine.com (Sean Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Crud: A New Idea for NeXTSTEP Date: 17 Feb 1994 16:28:05 -0800 Organization: Disorganization Distribution: world Message-ID: <2k122l$836@magnusson.alpine.com> (Apology in advance:) I may have posted this a few times. If so,I'm sorry. I don't know if I have or not, because until yesterday my newsreader was, um, having fun at my expense. While expanding a sound editor I write, I came across the sudden desire to allow users to batch up the wide variety of odd little things the editor can do into one coherent integrated thing, possibly adding in the capabilities of other programs, to complete a large and complex task. Unfortunately, I had no access to an easily-embeddable macro language object, and even if I did (say, I wrote my own), I would have no easy way of controlling *other* programs with this user-level language. It was this need that is driving me to develop Crud. Crud is proof-of-concept of not only the desperate need for a system-wide, made-for-NeXTSTEP macro language, but of the amazing things NeXT's highly consistent development system can offer users of just such a language, especially when compared to similar attempts like REXX, tcl, Perl, AppleScript, and the great Evil (Visual Basic). About Crud Crud is a specification of two things: a very simple, very small programming language, and a protocol suite that enables participating applications to connect to one or more Crud interpreters and libraries. Because NeXTSTEP is so consistent, this spec is really all that is needed to establish a living Crud community. As long as Crud-compliant interpreters are around, amazing things can happen. In fact, as long as the protocol stays the same, the marcro language can change and still keep applications "compliant". The prototype language is a hybrid of (get this) Lisp and Hypertalk, borrowing useful features of each. It's quite tiny (about 8 keywords), with a very easy-to-learn, easy-to-parse syntax. I've done the grammar and am working on finishing an interpreter object (though it's a tough job--anyone want to help?) which developers could hook into applications to make it easy for users to extend the apps' power. The protocol works something like this: An application instantiates an interpreter object. It then registers various Obj-C methods with the interpreter, so that if Crud programs reference some function name, the app's Obj-C method is called with appropriate arguments. The app then, through a Text object or whatnot, allows users to submit Crud programs and run them on the interpreter by calling some function (Crud is event-driven; it has no main loop). Crud Obj-C method libraries could be distributed on the net, even dynamically loaded by participating apps, to greatly increase the power of an application. One very important library (eventually) would allow one crud interpreter to contact other interpreters in participating apps to provide IAC on a grand scale. Another library (unwritten as yet, of course) could let Crud programs run and control non-compliant apps through NeXT events, much like Simon Says does it. Why not tcl or REXX? I think that NeXTSTEP needs at _least_ a new way of integrating a macro language, if not a new language altogether. tcl seems to me to be too steeped in X, and REXX too command-line based. We need something that fits beautifully with the GUI and the object system. Crud (or a language like it) is designed with NeXT's event system, object design, and main language in mind. This is open to discussion, of course! Perhaps we should go with a language more "accepted" by other communities for cross-environment compatibility. But in the mean time, while other projects are brewing (the WavesWorld tcl is cool) I'm here to ask if anyone would like to work on the Crud project. What's left to do? 1) Crud parses functions and globals into dictionaries, then interprets them as they are called. The parser is done (works great), but the interpreter is still in the design-and-layout stage. 2) Crud's standard function library, a collection of Obj-C methods that provide mundane functions like + or = or print, is mostly finished but for an earlier, outdated Crud protocol. The function library needs to be updated, finished, polished, and expanded. And debated. Remember that this library is symmetrical with an application's on functions; it can be used or substituted with something better. 3) Parts or Crud's spec are still shabby (in particular, it has no arrays). 4) Crud communicates with methods through a [target selector:argument] call, where the argument is a custom object that holds strings (basically a souped-up char**). This is because perform: requires ids, Char** is not really an option! :-( But this has yet more disadvantages: perform: requires a specific argument set, which makes it difficult to submit common method forms like setTo:(int)this or takeFloatValueFrom:sender, which are vital to making Crud easily integrated into applications. The obvious solution: make a category for Object that allows more sophsiticated message-passing than perform: and forward:. Current state: not even started. So there's things to do! I'd be much obliged to anyone who'd like to contribute to the project. Likewise, I'd like to open the table for dialog. What would you like to see in a system like this? Is it worthwhile? How could it benefit this community? I'll be honest here--I see Crud, or a language like it, as putting dramatically more power in the hands of NS users; potentially enough to make the computer community turn a few heads. Thanks for your time. If I get enough interest, I'll set up a small email group for discussion, perhaps. Please reply to the address below... Sean Luke -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke milk:-cows. | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu (if (cows) 'milk) | | if only I spoke for Alpine... [milk set:[cows val]]; |
Message-ID: <#-&@byu.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 14:23:06 MST From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: We finally received NEXTSTEP 3.2 Developer! References: <2k1an0$h90@nic-nac.CSU.net> In article <2k1an0$h90@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > Yes! (Only THREE MONTHS LATE...) NeXT finally sent us all of > our NS 3.2 Developer copies in a single shipment. They also sent > all but one of the media copies of NS 3.2 User. None of our > Right-To-Use licenses have yet been fulfilled. I was told that Right-To-Use licenses are no longer available because of some sort of legal issue. I don't know how that affects those who already purchased that type of license before it was discontinued, but it is worth checking on. Paul M. Cardon NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Dept. - Brigham Young University ----------------------------------------------- DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 4-up Postscript printing Date: 18 Feb 1994 22:08:31 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2k3e8v$8fa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I would like a UNIX tool I can pipe PostScript through that will make it into 2-up or 4-up. It ought to be easy to add a bit of PostScript to the top of any job to do this, but I don't know how to do it and hoped that someone else had already written such a thing. In addition, has anyone tried adding such a filter to /usr/lib/transcript/psif so that ALL printing comes out 4-up? I'm trying to discourage use of the laser printers in the public labs, and making everything 4-up would be a nice way to do it. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2k3e8v$8fa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Control: cancel <2k3e8v$8fa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 18 Feb 1994 22:32:13 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2k3fld$ba9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> cancel <2k3e8v$8fa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> in newsgroup comp.sys.next.misc -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PERL MAB submission (NeXT) Date: 18 Feb 1994 23:31:40 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2k3j4s$469@steffi.demon.co.uk> There is a Perl MAB submission on cs.orst.edu in the form of a package. Please try it. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Kodak ColorEase PS, anyone? Date: 19 Feb 1994 00:48:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2k3nlg$74v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> We just got a Kodak ColorEase PS printer. It is supposed to be a fine color printer. It is a PS II printer, so it should work with the NeXT. I cannot get it to work, though. Does anybody have such a machine? Set it up for the NeXT? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu (VampLestat) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mos4NX? Re: Mosaic 2.2 for Cub'X! Date: 19 Feb 1994 06:47:19 GMT Organization: Me, organized? You gotta be kidding. Message-ID: <2k4cln$a36@garuda.csulb.edu> References: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Feb15123342@shrug.dur.ac.uk> <1994Feb16.203940.9400@princeton.edu> Gerard Philippe Menos<gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU> spake unto the masses: >What are the prospects for Mosaic for NEXTSTEP... anyone working on >this? A fully functional/featured NeXTstep browser (not Mosaic) is currently in the works. Someone recently posted the details, and that they would rather spend thier time writing the actual code than dealing with all the posts asking about it.... :) -- _O_ Ryan L. Watkins i tried to tell her | vamp@beach.csulb.edu about marx and engels, god and angels | finger for pgp public key i don't really know what for aka VampLestat but she looked good in ribbons - som
From: kdb@pegasus (Kurt D. Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: How do I print multiple pages per page? Date: 19 Feb 1994 08:21:32 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2k4i6c$mmu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I have a .ps document that has many pages and I want to print several pages per piece of paper. If this were a .rtf file, I'd just use <command>-P in "edit" to set "4-UP" for example. But how with .ps? Preview's Page Layout doesn't work, and I can't think of a freebie application to do it. Buying Tailor is *NOT* an acceptable solution since I don't actually need to edit the file. Thanks for any help. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Kurt D. Bollacker University of Texas at Austin + + kdb@pine.ece.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8566, Austin, TX 78713 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) Subject: WorldWideWeb.app for Intel? Sender: news@prz.tu-berlin.de (Newsadmin Elwood-PRZ) Message-ID: <1994Feb19.125818.8835@prz.tu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:58:18 GMT Organization: PRZ TU-Berlin Hi, does somebody know whether the WorldWideWeb.app (or another WWW client for native NS - I don't mean Mosaic or other X11-clients) on Intel hardware is available? Thank you in advance, Thomas -- Thomas Wolfram <thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de> Germany: 0 30 31421171 PRZ TU Berlin <wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de> abroad: +49 30 31421171 EANTC WWW: http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de:2784/~wolf _____________________________________________________________________________ _____S__I__C____T__R__A__N__S__I__T____G__L__O__R__I__A____M__U__N__D__I_____
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yogi@csa.cs.technion.ac.il (Yossi Gil) Subject: Can someone please email me sendmail? Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:23:00 GMT Message-ID: <yogi.761678580@csa> Sender: news@wang.com I own a nextstep 3.1 running on a 486. Foolishly I erased the /usr/lib/sendmail program, and I cannot restore it since the CD roms is not connected to my machine. Can someone please send me a uudecoded version of this file? -- Joseph (Yossi) Gil yogi@TechSel.bitnet The Faculty of Computer Science Yogi@CS.Technion.AC.IL Technion -- Israel Institute of Technology Tel: +972-4-29-4333 Technion City, Haifa 32000, Israel Fax: +972-4-29-4353
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Ram and colour problems solved on PC Message-ID: <CLHKz0.65r@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 19:33:00 GMT Since I received so many replies, I thought I would post a note regarding these. (1) In going from 16->20megs (and now 24) the CMOS settings changing and I had to set the cachable RAM address to 24 ( the amount or next highest number). Otherwise the NeXT (Intel) on the ISA slows to a halt! (2) The ATI Ultra Pro driver has been updated to support more choices, and the files can be gotten via nextanswers@next.com (e-mail with the #'s) or to looked in the numbered compressed section on ftp.next.com. Not in the system software section as suggested in the release. Also, not in the drivers section! Thank's to all who replied. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Control: cancel <yogi.761678580@csa> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yogi@csa.cs.technion.ac.il (Yossi Gil) Subject: cancel <yogi.761678580@csa> Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 21:06:53 GMT Message-ID: <CLHpBH.Dxs@discus.technion.ac.il> Sender: news@wang.com cancel <yogi.761678580@csa> in newsgroup comp.sys.next.misc -- Joseph (Yossi) Gil yogi@TechSel.bitnet The Faculty of Computer Science Yogi@CS.Technion.AC.IL Technion -- Israel Institute of Technology Tel: +972-4-29-4333 Technion City, Haifa 32000, Israel Fax: +972-4-29-4353
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: boonlow@kits.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) Subject: Failure to install NSFIP Message-ID: <boonlow.761681328@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca (seymour news) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 18:08:48 GMT Hey guys, I have problem with installation of NSFIP 3.2 Plz help or offer me some advice if possible. I have bought NSFIP for 2 months !! already and still couldn't get it install due to one reason or another, sign ...:-( My System --------- AIR VESA motherboard 1 Western Digital IDE 340mb harddrive 1 Seagate SCSI ST31200 1 gig+ harddrive. NEC CDR 84-1 on id-5 scsi harddrive on id-0 and DPT PM 2021/90 SCSI controller on id-7 both the DPT and NEC are terminated at both ends and the harddrive is in the middle ATI Ultra Vesa w/2mb vram PAS studio sound card but I took it out while trying to install NSFIP My system has 32mb ram My Seagate SCSI harddrive is partition 500mb for DOS to try it out. The other 500mb is unused. I have Corel SCSI and my whole set up works well under DOS, Windows 3.1 and OS/2 2.1 Problems -------- Okay, I disable and took out the cable for my 51/4 b drive, also disabled in the bios. I boot the system up with installation diskette and CD in the NEC cdrom drive. reach (1) select english... (2) continue without loading additional drivers ... problem starts... :-(( The screen and this messages comes out --------------------------------------- resetting SCSI bus Eata controller at irq 15 registering irq15 ( it should be for my DPT controller ) sd0 : disk not ready type 1 to install NeXTSTEP (1) IDE disk #1 io-status=13, scsi-status=8, sense key=0 too many tries cd-rom disk could not be used installation cannot continue that's all, folks, sign... From then on, system will stop. I try to change interrupt, IO address e.t.c on my DPT card, and two days with this hell, I am still stuck with the same message. My WD IDE is on a AT controller, could that pose a problem ? Please help me guys, I try everything and nothing works, call tech-support and got no replies from now. Regards, Ben. (604) 420-3176
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yogi@csa.cs.technion.ac.il (Yossi Gil) Subject: Webster/Thesausrus from terminal window on NeXTSTep 3.1/intel? Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 16:23:26 GMT Message-ID: <yogi.761761406@csa> Sender: news@wang.com Subject line says it all. Is there any way to run a command line version of webster/thesaurus on an Intel machine running NeXTStep/486 version 3.1. I tried searching in archie. All I found was a webster daemon suitable for old 68k (using the obsolelte BTREE and LIBTTEXT libs). Any help will be greatly appreciated. -- Joseph (Yossi) Gil yogi@TechSel.bitnet The Faculty of Computer Science Yogi@CS.Technion.AC.IL Technion -- Israel Institute of Technology Tel: +972-4-29-4333 Technion City, Haifa 32000, Israel Fax: +972-4-29-4353
From: Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MISSING NEXTWORLD MAGAZINE? Date: 18 Feb 1994 20:09:23 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2k379j$la7@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <9402171359.A6643wk@circles.com> In article <9402171359.A6643wk@circles.com> john.morgan@circles.com writes: > > I got my Feb. issue of NeXTWORLD magazine yesterday. Ditto, and nice NeXT-Sun Deal coverage. Much appreciated insight. - Tim -
From: icardena@dcl-nxt09 (Ian Patrick Cardenas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Doom Secret? Date: 20 Feb 1994 21:17:20 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2k8k10$2tm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In a hopeless attempt to discover what key opened the doors a pressed command-spacebar and guess what happened...full autofire (yes even with the shotgun *cackle*)! I don't know if this is documented or not (obviously I'm missing something if I can't figure out how to open a door *laugh*) but I thought it might be similiar to the DOS version where certain words gave you powerups and such. Anyone else find this or any other li'l tidbit? -Ian PS Where is the best place to post things about NeXTDOOM? -- *x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x* Love:"Floats like a flower petal, X Ian Cardenas X stings like a cattle prod." X CS Major at UIUC X -A real stud hombre cybermuffinX icardena@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu X
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bud@slip4.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jeff Fields) Subject: Re: DOOM Sound Effect Message-ID: <1994Feb20.213718.2438@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> Sender: news@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (News) Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA References: <199402180604.HAA29643@grasp.insa-lyon.fr> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 21:37:18 GMT You can't get the sound effects until they release a NeXT version that supports them; the current one doesn't. At all. In article <199402180604.HAA29643@grasp.insa-lyon.fr> shim@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Kwang-Bo Shim) writes: > Hi! > > I just grabbed DOOM demo with DOOM-sounds. > Please let me know how I can get the sound effect. > Should I purchase the licence? > > Merci! > > -- > #################################################################### > Kwangbo SHIM > 87, rue Marengo, 42100 St-Etienne, FRANCE > Voice, Fax & Data:(+33)77933688 Basic Schedule: 08h-18h > Email: shim@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (NeXTMail OK!) > ####################################################################
From: rose@apollo.caltech.edu (mei shen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Any experience with Daydream on NeXT turbo mono? Date: 21 Feb 1994 01:55:53 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2k94b9$755@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Keywords: Daydrame Has anyone used Daydream to convert a NeXT to MAC? It seems to be a very interesting product for black NeXT. I would appreciate if someone can tell me his/her exerience with this product installed on a NeXT mono turbo or nonturbo. If it is $300~400. I might buy one. But, ~$800, I have to think twice! Jianqiang Liu jliu@touch.caltech.edu jliu@apollo-slip.caltech.edu (NeXT mail o.k.)
From: Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anyone ported 'Edge' to NeXT? Message-ID: <104384@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 19:10:25 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Has anyone ported the X program 'edge' to NeXT? ('edge' is a program that generates graphs, suchs as hierarchy trees, directed acyclic graphs, pert-nets, etc.) Lee Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 20 Feb 1994 23:06:07 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2k9bvf$6po@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. 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Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. 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If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: DPMS Saving in NS? Message-ID: <CLK8xI.Gtu@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 06:05:41 GMT I am currently running NS3.2(Intel) using an ATI GUP. In Windows you can turn on a feature (DPMS) which will power down the monitor after a period of idle time. It appears to be activated by screen savers. Just anyone know how to do this while in NS? -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: ATI GUP Clips in 800x600 Message-ID: <CLK95J.H23@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 06:10:31 GMT Is there a reason why I get clipping ( screen noise when moving a window, like a horizontal pair of clippers) using an ATI VL GUP (2megs) at 800x600 (16bit) but not at 1024x768 (16bits) nor 1180x832 (16bits)? Does this occur with the #9 card (S3 based one)? Is 24 megs enough? -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vleonid@csc.technion.ac.il (Leonid Voldman) Subject: SLIP -> NextStep-486. Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 08:13:31 GMT Message-ID: <vleonid.761818411@csc> Keywords: SLIP NEXT Sender: news@wang.com Hi, I'm very interested to get SLIP (Serial Line IP) for NextStep-486 (or at least to get some information about where I can reach it from). I'll be very appreciative to everyone will be able to help me. Thanks in advance, Regards Leonid. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Leonid Voldman ____________________________________________________ Computer Science Department
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vleonid@csc.technion.ac.il (Leonid Voldman) Subject: SLIP -> NexTSteP/486 Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 08:56:45 GMT Message-ID: <vleonid.761821005@csc> Keywords: SLIP NexT Sender: news@wang.com Hi, I'm very interested to get SLIP (Serial Line IP) for NextStep/486 (or at least to get some information about where I can reach it from). I'll be very appreciative to everyone will be able to help me. Thanks in advance, Regards Leonid. -- -- Leonid Voldman Computer Science Department Phone : +(972)-4-294319 (office) Technion -- IIT Fax : +(972)-4-294353 Technion City, Haifa, Israel E-Mail: vleonid@csc.cs.technion.ac.il
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: znih!dbhinz (David Hinz) Subject: Extended warranty worth it? Message-ID: <1994Feb21.052140.5069@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Keywords: warranty Sender: dbhinz@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 05:21:40 GMT Does anyone have an opinion on whether it is worth the $600.00 a year for the extended hardware warranty from Bell Atlantic? My regular warranty (grace period) expires the end of this month and I'm debating whether it is worth the expense to get the extension for a year. So far (in the last 5 months) my mouse and hard disk have died and have been replaced through the regular warranty. Bell Atlantic warns that if the motherboard goes out the cost of a replacement is around $800.00. What is the failure rate of motherboards? What about monitors? I've seen quite a few postings about color MegaPixel monitors getting dim, or failing. I've had great service with Bell Atlantic so far, but I just don't know if it is worth $600.00 to keep my machine under warranty. Thanks in advance for any responses.... David Hinz.
From: balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de (Dirk Balfanz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Date: 21 Feb 1994 16:09:37 GMT Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kamc1$mgq@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Granted, most of NS is more WYSIWYG than you'd see on other systems. But try the following: - Get your latest LaTeX document and add 'palatino' to the optional documentstyle parameters to specify this PostScript font family for you document (i.e. make your first line something like: \documentstyle[palatino]{article} ) - Do what you usually do to make a PostScript file from your LaTeX source. - (Pre-)view it. You can even take a look at the .dvi with TeXview.app. It looks *awful*. Not only that it is not quite what you'd expect in parts. It has nothing to do with the real thing whatsoever! Why is it that DisplayPostScript cannot display PostScript? Or is it me who is missing some point here? Dirk.
From: byron@ocf.nms.unt.edu (Byron Goodman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NFIP vs. Chip Sets Date: 21 Feb 1994 16:32:27 GMT Organization: University of North Texas Message-ID: <2kanmr$bgd@hermes.unt.edu> Does anyone have any experience with NSFIP and motherboards using IMS chip set? Specifically EISA based systems. I bought a mother board built by CACHE Systems and it craps out when installing NSFIP. I going to try a new EISA motherboard with SIS Chip set built by AIR. I'm trying to use a DTC 2122/95 controller. If you have any experience with the above would you please drop me line. I really want to get NSFIP installed and start developing with it, but I'm having hardware compatibilty problems. Here's my configuration. EISA Motherboard (Going to be AIR, CACHE Systems doesnt work.) 32MB of 60NS memory (72PIN) DTP 2122/95 SCSI Host adapter #9GXE Level 11 ( I really like this card ) Seagate 31200N SCSI hard drive Logitech M class mouse I'm willing to start a database of some kind of hardware that has been known to work with NSFIP. If you would email your configuration I'll start compiling it. I'll put it on our anonymous FTP server. -- +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Byron Goodman | OS/2 and FreeBSD Programmer/Advocate | | byron@ocf.nms.unt.edu | Prefers not to use Microsoft..... | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hacker's dictionary Date: 21 Feb 1994 16:25:43 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2kana7$i8s@news.tamu.edu> Is there a version of Hacker's dictionary that can easily be used by one of NeXT's interface programs, ie. librarian, webster? -Andrew -- -- Andrew Duchowski | Nothing unreal exists. -- -- | -- -- Texas A&M University | -- Kiri-Kin-Tha's first law -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (NeXTmail ok) | of metaphysics --
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Date: 21 Feb 1994 17:01:53 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kape1$oj2@news.iastate.edu> References: <2kamc1$mgq@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Dirk Balfanz writes []Granted, most of NS is more WYSIWYG than you'd see on other systems. []But try the following: [] [] - Get your latest LaTeX document and add [] 'palatino' to the optional documentstyle parameters to specify [] this PostScript font family for you document (i.e. make your first [] line something like: [] \documentstyle[palatino]{article} ) [] [] - Do what you usually do to make a PostScript file from your [] LaTeX source. [] [] - (Pre-)view it. You can even take a look at the .dvi with [] TeXview.app. [] []It looks *awful*. Not only that it is not quite what you'd expect []in parts. It has nothing to do with the real thing whatsoever! [] []Why is it that DisplayPostScript cannot display PostScript? Or is it me []who is missing some point here? Well..... I would respectfully submit that it is the latter, but your post is so sketchy that I don't want to jump to any conclusions. The particular things you've left out are (in no particular order) what version of NS you are running, what version of NeXT-TeX/TeXview, what fonts you have resident on your machine, what "*awful*" means, what "the real thing" means, etc. etc. I've used Palatino just fine with NeXT-TeX on many occasions. Display PS not only can display PS fonts properly, it is ideally designed for the purpose (there *was* an insidious bug in version 2.0 of TeXview that caused PS font metrics to be misaligned [by maybe a point or two], and I'm proud to say I found it, and happy to say that the author fixed it that same day. My *guess* is that you do not have Palatino as a resident font on your system (did you pay for it? Palatino must be bought separately) so when you run this document TeXview cannot find the fonts and substitutes Courier, which would indeed look *awful* when used with the Palatino font metrics. That, of course, is just speculation..... Hope this is helpful --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GIF89 (with alpha?) on a NeXT Message-ID: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Feb21172836@shrug.dur.ac.uk> From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Date: 21 Feb 1994 17:28:33 GMT Distribution: world Organization: I speak for myself Now that I've got a working Mosaic, I'm starting to make pages all over the place, but would like to have some of my inline images transparent, that is, if I scan a circle of some sort, say a Compact Disc, I get a square image; not what I want as a inline image. Instead, I'd like to have just the disc shape... SOOO, how can I do that on a NeXT? Insofar as I can tell, Mosaic only understands xbm and gif format, including gif89, which has some transparancy...what do I need in order to do what I want? I own Appsoft Image, TIFFany, and a few other graphics type programs, but can't tell how they would help...if in fact they can. Many thanks, Scott -- EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "A wasted youth is better by far than a wise and productive old age" "In another novel, I *am* you"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Crud: A New Idea for NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <1994Feb20.141853.1226@gamelan.uucp> Sender: thomas@gamelan.uucp (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <2k122l$836@magnusson.alpine.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 14:18:53 GMT In article <2k122l$836@magnusson.alpine.com> sean@alpine.com (Sean Luke) writes: > Why not tcl or REXX? > > I think that NeXTSTEP needs at _least_ a new way of integrating a macro > language, if not a new language altogether. tcl seems to me to be too > steeped in X, This is wrong. TCL has nothing to do with X. TK is the X-Toolkit which uses TCL. Using TCL alone is totally independent from X. While it's not OO, it's a very good (and easy) scripting language much superiour than shells.
From: marcus@ee.pdx.edu (Marcus Daniels) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anyone ported 'Edge' to NeXT? Date: 21 Feb 1994 13:10:26 -0800 Message-ID: <2kb802$ock@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> References: <104384@cup.portal.com> Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com writes: >Has anyone ported the X program 'edge' to NeXT? >('edge' is a program that generates graphs, suchs >as hierarchy trees, directed acyclic graphs, pert-nets, >etc.) As I recall it worked fine for me with Mouse-X (black hardware). Not more than a few superficial changes. The main problem was that it had so few export options. GUI wise, a native port wouldn't be worthwhile, seeing how all the important stuff in that application isn't GUI oriented. Better to just lift the relevant code and write a wrapper application... Do you need all the smart features of edge? Might Diagram 2.0 do what you need? There is a similar program for InterViews 2.6 with a nicer interface, but fewer features compared with edge. And there are some pointers to these types of programs in the comp.ai faqs, also there are a few LISP programs floating around that do graph layout. Marcus
From: paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Toby Paterson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Doom Secret? Date: 21 Feb 1994 23:25:29 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <2kbft9$725@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <2k8k10$2tm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <2k8k10$2tm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> icardena@dcl-nxt09 (Ian Patrick Cardenas) writes: > In a hopeless attempt to discover what key opened the doors a pressed > command-spacebar and guess what happened...full autofire (yes even with > the shotgun *cackle*)! I don't know if this is documented or not (obviously I'm > missing something if I can't figure out how to open a door *laugh*) but I Try command-forward arrow sometime - that'll give you a laugh. X -- \\ / Who: Toby Paterson \\/ How: paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca //\ What: Grunt and NeXT hacker; GDSS Fellowship // \ Where: University of British Columbia
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: scratch@sce.carleton.ca (Craig Scratchley) Subject: Names of planets from ST:The Next Generation Message-ID: <scratch.761873752@arcturus.sce.carleton.ca> Summary: Request for a list of names of planets used on TNG Keywords: planets TNG Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 23:35:52 GMT Hello. The machines on our computer network are primarily named after planets. We are currently putting a NeXT computer on our network, and so I thought that it would be appropriate to name it after a planet featured in the Star Trek: The Next Generation series. Trouble is, I'm not sure of the names or spellings of such planets. If someone could give me a list of such names, and short descriptions, I would really appreciate it. Even one or two names would be helpful. Thanks, Craig Scratchley Subject: asd Summary: sadf Keywords: asdf -- W. Craig Scratchley | internet: scratch@sce.carleton.ca Dept. of Systems and Computer Engineering | phone: (613) 788-5740 (Dept.) Carleton University | (613) 241-6952 (Home) Ottawa, ON, CANADA K1S 5B6 | fax: (613) 788-5727 (Dept.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: jhong@fnma.com (Joseph Hong) Subject: CDROM guru wanted: audio CD on black NeXT thru Apple CD300 Message-ID: <1994Feb21.223432.14510@almserv.uucp> Keywords: CDROM, Apple, CD300, NeXTSTEP, NeXT Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Fannie Mae Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 22:34:32 GMT Apparently, CDPlay.app does not work with my brand new Apple CD300. My configuration is: 1. NeXTstation mono 25MHz 68040, 2. NeXTSTEP 3.2 for Motorola, and 3. Apple CD-300 external. Q1: Are there any tips that I can make the above configuration work? I mean playing audio CD on my NeXT thru Apple CD300. Q2: Does it exist a Kodak PhotoCD reader on NeXTSTEP? Any help is highly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Joseph ================================================================== Joseph Hong Consultant at Fannie Mae Fannie Mae, 3900 Wisconsin Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20016 Voice: (202) 752-7198 Email: jhong@fnma.com (NeXT Mail OK) ==================================================================
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hacker's dictionary Date: 22 Feb 1994 00:06:44 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2kbiak$ug@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <2kana7$i8s@news.tamu.edu> In article <2kana7$i8s@news.tamu.edu> andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) writes: > Is there a version of Hacker's dictionary that can easily be used > by one of NeXT's interface programs, ie. librarian, webster? Better than that there's a program called Hackers.app put together by Hutchison Avenue Software (info@solutions.ca) which is a self contained hypertext version of the Jargon File (it dates back to '92 though). Probably you could find it on cs.orst.edu or I could NeXTmail it to you if you like. -- ============================================================================== Alex Currier * mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu * NeXTmail capable. If it's "Better Than The Leading X" then why isn't *IT* the leading X? ==============================================================================
From: nweaver@boojum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Nicholas C. Weaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT(black) and HP48G... Date: 22 Feb 1994 01:48:14 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2kbo8u$55u@agate.berkeley.edu> Does anyone know how to get a Black NeXT to talk to an HP 48G calculator? What sort of cable can be jurryrigged, and what sort of software is required? (I want to use a NeXT as auxillary storage, as a place to both program and back up my new HP calculator) -- Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@sequoia.cs.berkeley.edu It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, .signifying nothing.
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "mkpassalia" script Date: 22 Feb 1994 02:58:10 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kbsc2$kqh@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <CEDMAN.94Feb17081500@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > Rene Kulschewski <rene@rkt.in-berlin.de> writes: > could anybody mail me the "mkpassalia" script from Faces-v.3 ?? > I lost mine somewhere ... > > I'll do even better -- it is short enough for posting and may be > useful to more people. If you put it in your /usr/adm/daily script, > make sure you run it after /usr/bin/mailDBupdate which clobbers the > files. > > Carl Edman For what it's worth, here's an alternate version. The advantage of this is that it allows for one to have a file of additional aliases (in /LocalLibrary/Images/People/aliases.extra) which are included in the alias file that this generates. I think there's some other minor differences in this one, but I don't remember what they were for... - Garance #!/bin/sh
### # # File: mkpassalia # Description: A scriptlet to automatically update the passwd and aliases # files in the /LocalLibrary/Images/People directory. # Author: Carl Edman # Created: Tue Jan 7 18:17:29 1992 # Modified: Tue Jan 7 18:18:48 1992 (Carl Edman) cedman@714-725-3177 # Sun Jan 10 21:39:14 1993 (Garance Drosehn) # gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu # Language: /bin/sh # ############################################################################ ### cd /LocalLibrary/Images/People echo "# aliases file, generated on `date`" >aliases /bin/ls -1 | /bin/sed -n -e 's/\.tiff$//p' | /bin/grep '\.' | /bin/sed 'h; s/\./@/; y/ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz/; G; s/\n/: /'>>aliases if [ -f aliases.extra ] ; then echo "# " >>aliases echo "# lines from `pwd`/aliases.extra" >>aliases /bin/cat aliases.extra >>aliases fi echo "# passwd file, generated on `date`" >passwd /bin/ls -1 | /bin/sed -n -e 's/\.tiff$//p' | sed 's/$/::10000::.:noshell/;' >>passwd #################################################################### From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Doom Secret? Date: 22 Feb 1994 04:06:23 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <2kc0bv$ir@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <2k8k10$2tm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <2kbft9$725@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca wrote... >Try command-forward arrow sometime - that'll give you a laugh. You mean the way it cycles to the next window in the window stack? That's the standard NS behavior. Was this a typo for another keystroke? Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail? We can do NeXTMail!!! | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Deflectors on, red alert. Open a hailing frequency. `---- | This is the Enterprise. We come in peace. Fire phasers.
From: dang@pencom.com (Daniel Green) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Apple II emulator? Date: 22 Feb 1994 04:46:30 GMT Organization: Pencom Sofware Message-ID: <2kc2n6$njl@digdug.pencom.com> Is there something resembling an Apple II emulator under NEXTSTEP? I seem to recall a thread from a while back regarding this, but after searching around a bit, I'm beginning to think I imagined it. Any information on a) existence of an Apple II emulator under NEXTSTEP and b) ftp site for the thing would be appreciated! Thanks! Best regards, -- DanG -- Daniel L. Green | Electronic Frontier Foundation | NextMail -- Pencom Software | Member #297 | gladly -- dang@pencom.com | for more info: eff@eff.org | accepted!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) Subject: soundblaster driver is where? Message-ID: <1994Feb22.005916.282@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 00:59:16 GMT Hi. I think that a driver for the soundblaster was posted to the archives several weeks ago... but I can't find it. Can someone point me in the right direction, please? Please respond by e-mail, as I may not have access to netnews tomorrow, when I need the driver(!)... Thanks, Phil -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571
From: tghosh@cadesm44.eng.utah.edu (Taranga Ghosh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Background colours for windows in NeXT Date: 22 Feb 1994 04:47:24 GMT Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Distribution: world Message-ID: <TGHOSH.94Feb21214724@cadesm44.eng.utah.edu> Folks, In X you can generally say something like: unix > xapplication -bg gainsboro -fg black and expect your X application to run with a background colour specified by bg and foreground colour specified by fg. Is there a similar or any other way to set the background/foreground colour of a NeXT application ? -cheers, Taranga Ghosh
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Names of planets from ST:The Next Generation Date: 22 Feb 1994 05:22:06 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kc4pu$ho5@news.iastate.edu> References: <scratch.761873752@arcturus.sce.carleton.ca> Craig Scratchley writes []Hello. The machines on our computer network are primarily named []after planets. [] []We are currently putting a NeXT computer on our network, and so I []thought that it would be appropriate to name it after a planet []featured in the Star Trek: The Next Generation series. [] []Trouble is, I'm not sure of the names or spellings of such []planets. If someone could give me a list of such names, and []short descriptions, I would really appreciate it. Even one or []two names would be helpful. [] Wow!! This could really turn into a thread.... Let's see, there was Aldea, which was the "mystery planet" that had been hidden for generations. There is Bajor (or is it Bejor?), a planet largely full of strident religious fanatics. Tasha Yar died at the hands (paws? fins?) of a tar-baby creature on Vagra II.... Where was Picard stuck with the alian captain who spoke only in metaphors? JUST DON'T NAME IT AFTER BETAZED!!! Hell, the Ferengi are more attractive. Looking for many many follows-ups on this one :) Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@cs.tut.fi (Heinonen Tomi) Subject: I need C++ compiler and libs Message-ID: <1994Feb22.181234.15813@news.cs.tut.fi> Originator: tomi@korppi.cs.tut.fi Sender: usenet@news.cs.tut.fi (#Kotilo NEWS system ) Organization: Tampere University of Technology Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 18:12:34 GMT Hello! I have tried to compile libg+.a to my black hardware with op.system 2.1 with no success.. I would be gratefull if someone could send me a working c++ environment (compiler & includes & libs). I am using NeXTstep version 2.1. If you have mentioned c++ system please send me a email or submit the system to ftp.funet.fi /pub/next/submissions/ -tomi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ringger@cs.rochester.edu Subject: Pop-Up Menus in NEXTSTEP 3.2 Message-ID: <199402221756.MAA05580@slate.cs.rochester.edu> Sender: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric K. Ringger) Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 12:56:12 -0500 Hi. I skipped 3.1 and successfully installed 3.2 on my NeXTstation two weeks ago and haven't had any problems with it. It seems to be snappier and more polished in many ways, most of which have been mentioned here on the net. One new feature I haven't seen mentioned is the new and improved behavior of pop-up menus. They now behave as they always should have. Now, if you click and hold on a pop-up menu, the currently selected value remains stationary above the dormant location, even if the pop-up is near an edge of the screen and some of its values are beyond the edge. You can see those values, simply by dragging toward them -- they will scroll into view. It's great. The old behavior (3.0 and prior -- don't know about 3.1) was this: clicking and holding would bring the entire pop-up into view but could also place your mouse-pointer on a different value on the menu as a result of doing so. Consequently, if you clicked on a pop-up menu near an edge of the screen, the whole pop-up would appear, and if you didn't want to change the value, you had to move back to the previous value before releasing the mouse-button. Promptly releasing the button after clicking often resulted in wasteful waiting for the changes tied to the accidentally selected value. Those days are gone. Thanks, NeXT. --Eric --- Eric K. Ringger Internet: ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science Phone: (716) 275-0922 University of Rochester FAX: (716) 461-2018 Rochester NY 14627-0226 http://www.cs.rochester.edu/users/grads/ringger/ |||||| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ||||||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Crud: A New Idea for NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <1994Feb22.181603.1476@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <1994Feb20.141853.1226@gamelan.uucp> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 18:16:03 GMT In article <1994Feb20.141853.1226@gamelan.uucp> thf@zelator.de (Thomas Funke) writes: > In article <2k122l$836@magnusson.alpine.com> sean@alpine.com (Sean Luke) > writes: > > Why not tcl or REXX? > > > > I think that NeXTSTEP needs at _least_ a new way of integrating a macro > > language, if not a new language altogether. tcl seems to me to be too > > steeped in X, > > This is wrong. TCL has nothing to do with X. > TK is the X-Toolkit which uses TCL. Using TCL alone is totally > independent from X. While it's not OO, it's a very good (and easy) > scripting language much superiour than shells. And easily extendable to interface with Objective-C and the whole DO interface thing. It seems everyone is doing it - Scott Hess with TickleServices and Michael Johnson with WavesWorld. Someone here at FNBC has done ObjC extensions to tcl. Sean also writes: > 4) Crud communicates with methods through a [target selector:argument] > call, where the argument is a custom object that holds strings > (basically a souped-up char**). This is because perform: requires ids, > Char** is not really an option! :-( But this has yet more disadvantages: > perform: requires a specific argument set, which makes it difficult to > submit common method forms like setTo:(int)this or > takeFloatValueFrom:sender, which are vital to making Crud easily > integrated into applications. The obvious solution: make a category > for Object that allows more sophsiticated message-passing than perform: > and forward:. Current state: not even started. > Foo!!! You can get information on selectors and parse the arguments from strings and build an marg frame. It's much easier and allow much more flexibility. -- +--------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson - Software Guy | "When I'm a good dog they sometimes | | First National Bank of Chicago | throw me a bone..." | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | - Pink Floyd | +--------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Message-ID: <1994Feb22.195036.15507@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2kamc1$mgq@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 19:50:36 GMT Dirk Balfanz writes > It looks *awful*. Not only that it is not quite what you'd expect > in parts. It has nothing to do with the real thing whatsoever! > Why is it that DisplayPostScript cannot display PostScript? Or > is it me who is missing some point here? Some extra steps must be taken to use Palatino as a Type 1 font from TeX. What you are getting is either a 300dpi bitmap masquerading as a font, or Courier being substituted for a font you don't have. Naturally, at 72dpi the first looks like dog food, the second looks only marginally better. If it is the first, someone who knows how will have to post how to make LaTeX use a Type 1 font for real. If it's the second, you will need to install Palatino onto the system you will be previewing on. If you need to purchase the Palatino Type 1 font program, contact info@trilithon.com. Trilithon is the authorized Adobe reseller for fonts in the NeXT market. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu(Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders Date: 22 Feb 1994 20:53:16 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C., USA Message-ID: <2kdrbs$8kv@news.duke.edu> Has anyone else noticed this? In the index of Nghiem's "NeXTSTEP Programming--Concepts and Applications" book, the first entry under 'D' is 'Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders xvi'. Intrigued as to how the cheerleaders fit in with NeXTSTEP programming, I turned to page xvi. No mention! Was Alex just checking to see if anyone caught it? :-) -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
From: cdl@helium.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,sdnet.next Subject: Re: Missing NeXTworld magazine? Date: 22 Feb 1994 22:39:32 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Distribution: na Message-ID: <2ke1j4$l8f@network.ucsd.edu> References: <2jra46$fhl@nwfocus.wa.com> In article <2jra46$fhl@nwfocus.wa.com> dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson) writes: > > I have yet to receive the Feb issue of NeXTWorld magazine and it is not > available in local bookstores. I called the 1-800 number listed in the > magazine and was told that the Feb issue was not complete and would be > shipped later this week. > Another local magazine distributor bites the dust. There seem to be no February copies of NeXTWorld magazine in San Diego, because the distributor decided not to do it any more. carl
From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: 3DReality users? Date: 22 Feb 1994 08:21:41 GMT Organization: I speak for myself Distribution: world Message-ID: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Feb22082141@shrug.dur.ac.uk> I would be interested in hearing from other users of 3DReality to find out any tips, tricks, hints and so on they may have...Possibly to even setup a mailing list or public archive of shaders, textures and so on.. If you think you can help, drop me a line. Thanks Scott -- EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "A wasted youth is better by far than a wise and productive old age" "In another novel, I *am* you"
From: obsta@nvtcp1.esm.vt.edu (Andreas Obst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: Convince my boss to upgrade to NEXTSTEP 3.2 ! Date: 23 Feb 1994 00:37:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ke8fr$348@solaris.cc.vt.edu> We have a NeXTstation (only 1!) for the students in our research group (I am one of them). I need some arguments to convince our professor to upgrade from 3.0 to 3.2. If there are arguments against upgrading, I liked to know these, too. Also, ever since NeXT stopped manufacturing the black hardware, he (the professor) thinks investing money in NeXT is for a lost cause. I do not agree, so please help me get him back on the right track, i.e., buy NeXTs, computers running NEXTSTEP, and NeXT applications. Thanks in advance, Andreas
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Client-Server OSes in Feb 21 OS Today Date: 23 Feb 1994 01:24:32 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2keb8g$nof@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: ernest@cco.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Distribution: world The February 21st edition of Open Systems Today is a "Special Focus Issue" on the Role of Client-Server Operating Environments. NeXT is featured quite heavily [along with seven other systems], even though it has the smallest installed base, because it "has a fiercely loyal following among some business users." Pick up a copy if you get a chance. There's lots of stuff on Objects and Alliances. The coverage of NeXT seems quite reasonable, with none of the gratuitous bashing we've come to expect. :-) There are numerous quotes from NeXT personnel, so it looks like they did their homework. Some of the their numbers seem a bit odd. A few highlights: - For licenses shipped in 1993 (Source: IDC) NeXTSTEP 25K Solaris/Intel 18K Solaris/SPARC 240K Windows NT 260K AIX (IBM) 85K UnixWare/Novell 35K HP-UX 132K SCO 150K The NS/FIP numbers are substantially lower than NeXTs report of 50K. If NeXT ships 100K units NS/FIP in 1994, AND captures a decent fraction of the SPARC and HP-UX markets, it could be right up there with the big boys. By contrast, Solaris/Intel is described as "sputtering." - For shipping applications NeXTSTEP comes across as way behind, with ZERO (0) apps "Available and Planned" in the categories of: E-mail Workflow Desktop Publishing Financial/Accounting Database Access Vertical By constrast, Solaris has seven (7) spreadsheets, vs. NeXTSTEP's two (2). Am I missing something? Yo, NeXTSTEP ISV's, write them! Apparently they only talked to big cross-platform publishers, which results in a rather skewed view. - NeXT is listed as one of only a dozen companies (MS notably absent) who provided user testimonials for the Crossroads conference about "a real contribution" to client-server computing. Quote "NT is not proving to be very reliable as a client OS". The focus of ISVs is on Chicago. - Interoperability: NeXTSTEP is one of only four systems to support Mac connectivitity, but lacks Banyan Vines. NeXTMail actually wins some compliments, and Francois Kouchek, a NeXT product manager says it will "bridge the gap" with MIME in an upcoming release. Support for Lotus Notes and ccMail is very absent, however. Under "Network APIs", NeXT claims "C and C++ versions" of PDO will be available "soon". - There's a nice impartial summary of the Object Alliance situation: * Sun and NeXTSTEP (plus PA-RISC & PDOs) * HP, IBM, & Apple * Microsoft and DEC MS openly scorns NeXT, Taligent, and CORBA. SCO scorns OO systems entirely, since they "have not produced many practical applications." No mention of Novell's intentions. - NeXT is listed at the bottom of the PC certification ladder, with 39 systems vs. MS's 1,700. NeXT is "considering" multiprocessing support, but has no definite plans. NeXT says "200 independant hardware vendors have the [Driver]kit" so they expect a lot more peripherals real soon. - In user Case studies, most people are in the evaluation stage, or complaining about missing pieces. Chrysler financial already has 800 seats of NeXTSTEP deployed. The only one close was AIX with 700 Xterminals at BC Tel. Enjoy, -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus' sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: jtod@access1.digex.net (John Todd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Font auto-load command? Date: 23 Feb 1994 03:38:19 GMT Organization: his NeXT at home Message-ID: <2kej3b$lot@news1.digex.net> Summary: Need the auto-load command for .ps files Keywords: postscript, NeXT, fonts, quahog I quite vividly remember a command that one could insert at the header of a PS file that would auto-load the needed fonts to a non-NeXT printer. Was this an insertion to the PS file or was it a NetInfo modification? Reason: I'm writing (re-writing another person's program, actually) a routine to list all the available fonts in a system and print them out. The old program worked great with NeXT printers, but my DEC PostScript printer can't handle 400-odd fonts at once. I'm therefore chopping the file into 1-page chunks and sending them to the printer. However, I've discovered some bugs in Preview (for 3.2) that won't allow me to save/print any of these modified pages with the included fonts. (It just hangs and gives me a wait cursor - as it has for the last 1.5 hours.) Is there any interest for me to release this program for general consumption? It was orignally written by <george@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch>, but I've modified it extensively to cover these new kinks with non-NeXT printers. -- John Todd | Need Job: Can sell NeXTs/cars, fix same| NRA & Pro-Choice 406 Cedar,NW Apt 4| "Charracter is whata you arre ina the dark!" - E. Lizardo Wshgtn, DC 20012 | Jeeps Bought/Sold * Dictators Overthrown * Bombs Defused 202/726-3806 | jtod@digex.net | Eager, intelligent, meticulous, doomed.
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders Date: 23 Feb 1994 04:35:24 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kemec$iit@news.iastate.edu> References: <2kdrbs$8kv@news.duke.edu> Denise Blakeley writes []Has anyone else noticed this? [] []In the index of Nghiem's "NeXTSTEP Programming--Concepts and Applications" []book, the first entry under 'D' is 'Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders xvi'. []Intrigued as to how the cheerleaders fit in with NeXTSTEP programming, I turned []to page xvi. No mention! [] []Was Alex just checking to see if anyone caught it? :-) [] Well, in my copy of the book the reference is to xxxiv (page 34 of the preface) and there is indeed a mention there, the very end of the acknowledgments. Hmmmm....getting to teach the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders..... Perhaps going into Academia has promises I did not anticipate.... TLM -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: Apple II emulator? Message-ID: <1994Feb22.135234.1709@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <2kc2n6$njl@digdug.pencom.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 13:52:34 GMT Yes, I believe it's called Jabberwocky and was written by a MIT student who now works for ARDI, the Executor people. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting In article <2kc2n6$njl@digdug.pencom.com> dang@pencom.com (Daniel Green) writes: > Is there something resembling an Apple II emulator under NEXTSTEP? I > seem to recall a thread from a while back regarding this, but after > searching around a bit, I'm beginning to think I imagined it. > > Any information on a) existence of an Apple II emulator under NEXTSTEP > and b) ftp site for the thing would be appreciated! > > Thanks! > > Best regards, > > -- DanG > -- Daniel L. Green | Electronic Frontier Foundation | NextMail > -- Pencom Software | Member #297 | gladly > -- dang@pencom.com | for more info: eff@eff.org | accepted!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: Stone Design's Bug & Info email aliases now working... Message-ID: <1994Feb22.203502.1387@stone.com> Keywords: Stone Design Email Bounce Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 20:35:02 GMT If you had trouble sending email to info@stone.com or bugs@stone.com over the past 10 days (didn't get a response or got a bounced email), please retry - we've got it 'under control'. andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>|<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone | (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com | Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>|<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: mka@isa.UUCP (mka) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NextStep on Intel box with DTC3290 SCSI controller? Keywords: intel, DTC3290 Message-ID: <145@isa.UUCP> Date: 23 Feb 94 07:33:45 GMT Followup-To: poster Distribution: usa Organization: Intelligent Systems Associates, Guanajuato, Mexico Has anyone successfully installed NextStep (Evaluation Kit 3.1) on an Intel box with a DTC3290 EISA SCSI controller? I tried the NextAnswers fax-back service unsuccessfully several times (my phone service here in Mexico has some problems). The installation program doesn't recognize the CD-ROM (a Texel DM-3024), and doesn't seem to like the floppy drive, which was taken off the DTC controller and put on an IDE card. I'm not sure if the install program will recognize the SCSI hard disk, since I've never gotten that far. Anyway I'm hoping that some procedure specific to the DTC controller will solve the other problems. Any suggestions or advice or official procedures will be greatly appreciated. PLEASE email replies to me even if you post the reply - I currently don't have a newsfeed (you won't believe what long- distance charges are in Mexico) and won't see postings. I can be reached via uunet (uunet!isa!mka). Thanks in advance, Mike Anderson uunet!isa!mka
From: el@ccr.jussieu.fr (IPGP Geochimie) Newsgroups: fr.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophones de Mathematica Date: 23 Feb 1994 09:50:18 +0100 Organization: CCR - Universites Paris VI/VII - Paris - France Message-ID: <2kf5ca$1m8n@moka.ccr.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Suite a l'organisation en octobre dernier des "Mathematica Days" a ISIEE-Noisy, pres de Paris, nous avons cree le ... Groupe des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mathematica alias le "GroumF". Ce groupe existe pour l'instant au travers d'une liste de distribution, dont l'adresse est : GroumF@ext.jussieu.fr Son objet est de mettre en relation des utilisateurs du logiciel Mathematica, et ceci dans la langue de Moliere (helas, aux accents pres: ca gache pas mal:-( Si vous souhaitez participer a cette liste (encore embryonnaire), vous pouvez adresser le courrier suivant a l'adresse ListServ@ext.jussieu.fr : Subject: <inutile> Message: SUBSCRIBE GROUMF moi-meme@ici.ma-becane.chezmoi.fr Prenom NOM - Societe ou, bien sur, "moi-meme@ici.ma-becane.chezmoi.fr" est votre adresse de courrier electronique et "Prenom NOM - Societe" votre identification en clair. Le groupe est gere par deux personnes: Jean-Christophe CULIOLI (culioli@cas.ensmp.fr) et Eric LEWIN (lewin@ipgp.jussieu.fr) (c'est moi-meme !!!) Pour tous renseignements complementaires, la boite a lettres vous est ouverte. Mathematicales salutations - ELw
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why cant NS mount a PC HD? Message-ID: <Feb.23.03.52.39.1994.10844@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 23 Feb 94 08:52:39 GMT References: <Feb.22.14.16.51.1994.11346@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: >I guess the subject says it all. NS can only mount a DOS partition on the Well, Ive had a bunch of responses with helpful hints, but none that do the trick. It seems as though NS will mount and IDE drive up just fine. However, It doesnt work with a SCSI Optical?!? I guess that may be the reason one can't format in NS a DOS optical or HD... Anyway if one has say their NS drive @ SCSID 1 and a second SCSI device @ ID 3, shouldnt the ID3 drive get automounted as a dos drive (assuming it is a dos drive)? NS justs prompts me to either initialize or eject the drive... There must be a way to do this simple, yet important, mount??? Do I have to format the ID3 SCSI DOS drive in some special way for NS to properly mount it? Thanks for any/all info :) Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: flunau@next (Frederic J. Lunau) Subject: Hi-res on AST Bravo LP? Message-ID: <1994Feb22.150819.141@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 15:08:19 GMT Is anyone successfully running NS 3.2 on a AST Bravo LP with the built-in ATI 68800 Rev 6 chipset on the motherboard in anything but standard (640x480) VGA? This is not a certified or listed system, and therefore not officially supported. Thanks, -- Fred Lunau Systems Consultant, NeXT Computer, Inc. flunau@next.com (203) 270-1010
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: replacement cursor? Message-ID: <1994Feb23.054245.11628@cc.usu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 23 Feb 94 05:42:44 MDT Organization: As little as I can get away with... How does one replace the cursor with larger/fancier one?
From: jtod@access1.digex.net (John Todd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Font auto-load command? Date: 23 Feb 1994 15:06:54 GMT Organization: his NeXT at home Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kfree$40d@news1.digex.net> References: <2kej3b$lot@news1.digex.net> John Todd (jtod@access1.digex.net) wrote: : I quite vividly remember a command that one could insert at the header of : a PS file that would auto-load the needed fonts to a non-NeXT printer. : Was this an insertion to the PS file or was it a NetInfo modification? : Reason: I'm writing (re-writing another person's program, actually) a : routine to list all the available fonts in a system and print them out. : The old program worked great with NeXT printers, but my DEC PostScript : printer can't handle 400-odd fonts at once. I'm therefore chopping the : file into 1-page chunks and sending them to the printer. However, I've : discovered some bugs in Preview (for 3.2) that won't allow me to : save/print any of these modified pages with the included fonts. (It just : hangs and gives me a wait cursor - as it has for the last 1.5 hours.) Follow-up: I have now experimented with the "_nxfinalform" in the Properties column of my DECLaser entry. No dice - it still doesn't download the fonts from *my* program - it *will* download fonts in documents created by WriteNow and then saved as PostScript. I have noticed that WriteNow puts the document font list at the END of the PS file and not at the header. Could this be the culprit? WriteNow also includes the file /usr/lib/NextStep/printPackage.ps, so could that be what does the actual downloading of fonts? I'll experiment with deleting/adding/moving my DocumentFonts around, but I'd really love to hear what I SHOULD do, if anyone would be so kind as to give a budding PS programmer a tiny hand. -- John Todd | Need Job: Can sell NeXTs/cars, fix same| NRA & Pro-Choice 406 Cedar,NW Apt 4| "Charracter is whata you arre ina the dark!" - E. Lizardo Wshgtn, DC 20012 | Jeeps Bought/Sold * Dictators Overthrown * Bombs Defused 202/726-3806 | jtod@digex.net | Eager, intelligent, meticulous, doomed.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: VESA DPMS Screen Saver Message-ID: <CLo2Dt.DvA@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 07:34:41 GMT I have an ATI GUP and a ViewSonic 17G (very nice inexpensive monitor by the way). The monitor follows the DPMS standard for energy saving. In Windows and OS/2 the GUP has an option to activate this. Or, it can be activated via sw and a screen saver. Has this been done for NS? This is not an unimportant matter as policies are such as to require this at some point. Please don't suggest I get a Nanao. As nice as they may be, I am more than happy with this monitor which costs $500 less and is every bit as nice. For what it's worth, the Nanao's do not rank that highly in most reviews, mainly because of poor price performance. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fabien@free.fdn.org (Fabien Roy) Subject: Re: Why cant NS mount a PC HD? Message-ID: <1994Feb23.162709.1044@free.fdn.org> Sender: news@free.fdn.org Organization: Fabien Roy Electronic Engineering (F.R.E.E.) - Paris, France. References: <Feb.22.14.16.51.1994.11346@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:27:09 GMT In article <Feb.22.14.16.51.1994.11346@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > I guess the subject says it all. NS can only mount a DOS partition on the > same physical drive with the NS patition. What if you have another SCSI > DOS drive that you need to work with in NS! The funny thing is I can mount > a mac HD (although I still cant access the full file because of the data- > resource fork access problem NS has) but not a Dos HD on an intel machine!!! > > Please, if anyone has a way to do this, I would appreciate the info. > > Thanks, later, John Assuming SCSI dos disk with one partition starting from beginning of disk. /usr/etc/mount -t dos /dev/rsdXh /mount_directory X stand for volume number, check for correct number in /usr/adm/messages Cheers --Fabien --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabien_Roy@free.fdn.org (NextMail accepted) XO, 81 alle Danielle Casanova, 93320 Les Pavillons sous Bois France Tel: 33 1 4847 5198 Fax: 33 1 4847 5175
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why cant NS mount a PC HD? Date: 23 Feb 1994 18:21:57 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2kg6s5$8hc@rosie.next.com> References: <Feb.23.03.52.39.1994.10844@gandalf.rutgers.edu> In article <Feb.23.03.52.39.1994.10844@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > >I guess the subject says it all. NS can only mount a DOS partition on the > > Well, Ive had a bunch of responses with helpful hints, but none that do > the trick. It seems as though NS will mount and IDE drive up just fine. > However, It doesnt work with a SCSI Optical?!? Well, I can probably shed a little light on this for you. Unfortunately, there's a bug in NS 3.1 and 3.2 that prevents mounting of removable DOS hard drives (this includes syquest, bernoulli and optical disks). It doesn't have anything to do with the inability to format DOS hard drives (that's a separate issue altogether). later, Erik
From: davida@macbeth.umd.edu (David Arnold) Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need auto-reply mail setup Date: 23 Feb 1994 13:12:38 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: na Message-ID: <2kg6am$4hi@macbeth.umd.edu> I administer of a small cluster of Unix systems (NeXTs, mostly) for the Consulting Lab here at U. of Md. We are trying to install an auto- reply system on our Consult-by-mail setup to notify users of the receipt of their mail and to give a brief blurb on our service. I'd first thought the BSD 'vacation' program might be the way to go, but we've run into the snag that at some point we will be assigning unique numbers to all incoming items, and will want to reply to every item that comes in from a person. Unfortunately, 'vacation' opts to only reply to an individual userid once/week. What I need is either a way to tweak the existing vacation program to reply to every piece of mail or find an alternative package which will auto-reply to each piece of mail. Actually, what we really want is a package which will: 1) Determine a unique number to assign to each piece of incoming mail, modify the text of a file to reference this number, then 2) Auto-reply to the mail using that text The steps above need to be done automatically, like in the .forward file. What I see as one possibility in the .forward file is something like: \consult, | <script1> | /usr/ucb/vacation consult where <script1> is what does step #1 above. Please reply directly to me (see addresses in my .sig) as I have posted this to several groups. Thanks, -- David Arnold (301)405-7636 Inet: davida@umd5.umd.edu Consultant, CSC Bitnet: davida%umd5.umd.edu@cunyvm University of Maryland UUCP: uunet!umd5.umd.edu!davida College Park, MD 20742 NeXTmail: davida@anagram.umd.edu
From: doroin@cobber.cord.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,sdnet.next Subject: Re: Missing NeXTworld magazine? Date: 23 Feb 1994 13:26:30 -0600 Organization: Concordia College, Moorhead Minnesota Distribution: na Message-ID: <2kgal6$ffr@cobber.cord.edu> References: <2jra46$fhl@nwfocus.wa.com> <2ke1j4$l8f@network.ucsd.edu> I subscribed to NeXTWorld about 3 weeks ago and I received the Feb issue a few days ago. Also, our Software Etc store carries NeXTWorld. This is kinda surprising that a primarily PC entertainment shop carries it. -Jon -- Jonathan A. Doroin doroin@cobber.cord.edu doroin@wonka.cord.edu (NeXTmail)
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why cant NS mount a PC HD? Message-ID: <Feb.23.16.09.08.1994.18654@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 23 Feb 94 21:09:08 GMT References: <Feb.22.14.16.51.1994.11346@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: >I guess the subject says it all. NS can only mount a DOS partition on the And the answer is .... NS cannot work with removable DOS media... Why not? I have no idea. Something about no standard... At anyrate you'd think that NS would be able to at least mount a removable drive as if it were a fixed drive... Thanks for all of the info to all that replied :) Later, John
From: yackd@maine.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple II emulator? Date: 23 Feb 94 15:26:15 Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kgl69$pdr@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <2kc2n6$njl@digdug.pencom.com> <1994Feb22.135234.1709@hot.com> Originator: yackd@maine.et.byu.edu >In article <2kc2n6$njl@digdug.pencom.com> dang@pencom.com (Daniel >Green) writes: >> Is there something resembling an Apple II emulator under NEXTSTEP? In article <1994Feb22.135234.1709@hot.com>, Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> writes: >Yes, I believe it's called Jabberwocky and was written by a MIT student >who now works for ARDI, the Executor people. Not quite. It's called zaniWok. You can get it from ftp.byu.edu:/pub/apple2 but you must have the //e ROMs for it to work. It's pretty buggy in it's current state. The main developer on it (well, on the CPU core especially) is Mat Hostetter, who did work for ARDI, but is at MIT right now. Due to a current class he is in, he is in the process of revamping the CPU core, so an all-new and improved emulator will be happening. I don't know when it will be ready... Hope that helps. -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing. don@darth.byu.edu (My NeXT at home. Send me NeXTMail. Pleeeease.)
From: guest@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Guest Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hello, I'm back! (sorta) Date: 23 Feb 1994 22:36:54 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kglq6$2mj@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: woof, meow, oink, hey baaby For those of you who've wondered what happened to me, I could regale you with the long and sordid tale, but that was long ago and in another country, and besides, the wench is dead... Seriously, I again have Net access, courtesy of Mike Hart and Project Gutenberg. You can reach me at: indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu. (This is a NeXTcube, BTW!) I'll eventually have SLIP access from my home office, but this will work in the meantime. NeXTMail can be sent to guest@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu, but this is a public guest account, so bear that in mind. My NeXTSTEP graphics business is starting slowly but steadily, and I look forward to big things this year. Other projects i'm working on include updating "the NeXTdimension Compendium" and organizing a graphics/multimedia BOF at the June NeXTWORLD Expo. If you're interested in these, drop me a note. Suggestions on how to start and run a mailing list will be thankfully recieved. To my correspondents, please renew our chats; to my suppliers, sorry about the delays and all will be well soon; to those who helped me out during my recent trevails, well, I can't express my thanks. Cheers! Steve Weintz EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving the anthropological profession 707 E. Main St., Urbana, IL 61801 (217) 328-4803 indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rtthomas@acs.ucalgary.ca (R. Todd Thomas) Subject: NEXTSTEP in Singapore?? Message-ID: <Feb23.235713.54493@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 23:57:13 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Does anyone know if there is any NEXTSTEP programming activity going on in Singapore. How about user groups or even better, companies that are using it. Any information would be appreciated. Todd Thomas rtthomas@acs.ucalgary.ca todd@avocado.cuc.ab.ca [NeXTmail]
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Names of planets from ST:The Next Generation Date: 23 Feb 1994 00:18:02 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ke7bq$b8@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <scratch.761873752@arcturus.sce.carleton.ca> In article <scratch.761873752@arcturus.sce.carleton.ca> scratch@sce.carleton.ca (Craig Scratchley) writes: > Hello. The machines on our computer network are primarily named > after planets. > > We are currently putting a NeXT computer on our network, and so I > thought that it would be appropriate to name it after a planet > featured in the Star Trek: The Next Generation series. > > Trouble is, I'm not sure of the names or spellings of such > planets. If someone could give me a list of such names, and > short descriptions, I would really appreciate it. Even one or > two names would be helpful. > A short description of the scripts is available online, so you could use that to check spelling... And please don't call your machine "theborg", I hope I was/am the only one with that name for my black slab on this planet (actually it should have been a cube, but alas I'm not the lucky owner of such a beats... anyone wanna trade his '040-33 cube for a similar slab? :-))))). Annard (diplomat for the Borg wholesale planet emporium - "if you are looking for advanced civilisation remnants, we have it in stock" -- Give me enough bandwidth and I can transmit the earth. - Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: boonlow@kits.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) Subject: NSFIP can't recognize DOS drive Message-ID: <boonlow.762044303@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca (seymour news) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 22:58:23 GMT i Hey guys, I planned to let NeXTSTEP to be bootable via OS/2 bootmanager. I have already installed NSFIP on my SCSI drive. During installation, I have to disable my IDE drive inorder for NSFIP to be booted up properly, noted from the advice and e-mail posted on how to install NSFIP to be bootable under OS/2 bootmanager, I even get a copy of nextanswers 1487. I went through everything carefully, I have DOS and OS/2 and OS/2 bootmanager on my IDE drive, a 500 mb partition for NSFIP on my SCSI and the rest for DOS. During installation, I disabled my IDE drive and only with my NeXTSTEP, installed it on my free 500mb on my SCSI drive. AFter everything, I type fdisk /mbr to disabled the NS bootmanager. Following the advice from the net, I went into NS, type localhost# su localhost# /usr/etc/fdisk /dev/rhd0h but I got this error messages : fdisk : unable to open /dev/rhd0h why !!! What I wanted to do was format my 7mb of free space inorder to transfer the master boot record over to the 7mb, but without access to my IDE drive, I can't get anything going, BTW, I did enabled my IDE drive first. Right now, inorder to enter NS, I have to boot from the NS diskette, and type sd()mach_kernel inorder to go into NS. I called NS tech-support, first they told me my IDE controller is not supported under NS, only intergrated IDE on the motherboard is supported, later , they said maybe not ?? secondly, they told me that NS DOESN't support DOS 6.0 because the fdisk for DOS 6 is different !!! they asked me to reinstall DOS 5 on my DOS drive before trying again, ?? before I commit myself to take out my PCDOS 6 and reinstall microsoft DOS 5.0 with alot of pain and agony, can someone confirm on the truth of this statement ?? Please, anyone, give me a hint on how I can get NS to recognize my IDE drive. Thanks alot for all your help/advice, Ben. (604) 420-3176
From: mat@cag.lcs.mit.edu (Mat Hostetter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple II emulator? Date: 24 Feb 1994 02:26:02 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kh37q$9s0@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> References: <1994Feb22.135234.1709@hot.com> In article <1994Feb22.135234.1709@hot.com> Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> writes: > Yes, I believe it's called Jabberwocky and was written by a MIT student > who now works for ARDI, the Executor people. > > Robert La Ferla > Hot Technologies > NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting Actually, it's called "zaniWok", which is an anagram for "Wozniak". I wrote most of it, but several people made significant contributions. Here's a summary of the current situation. Long ago, zaniWok was to be a net.project, but that didn't work out very well. It was never finished enough for me to want to distribute it publicly. The old version does exist (ftp.byu.edu:/pub/apple2), but after multiple people mucked about with it with no one person maintaining it (I was busy at ARDI) it is now in an unusably buggy state. At least, I think that's the case; I haven't used it in a long time and I don't plan to. The old one won't run on white hardware. The good news is that I'm now rewriting everything from scratch with some super-keen dynamic compilation technology for the 65c02 emulator. I've pretty much finished the CPU emulator, which is the hardest part. I expect to have something releasable by May or so, with alpha tests of the core stuff perhaps as early as late March. The current and future zaniWok is free software released under the GNU Copyleft. It emulates a 128K Apple //e with color hires graphics, double hires graphics, sound, 40/80 column text, a joystick, dynamically loadable peripheral card objects and other things. There is no lo-res in the old zaniWok, but that will be rectified. zaniWok tries to emulate the disk drive hardware accurately so you can even run some copy-protected games if you transfer a "raw" disk image to the NeXT. zaniWok requires a copy of the Apple //e ROMs to run. How fast is it? The old zaniWok lets you play hires arcade games in approximately realtime. The new one will be faster. There is a mailing list for this emulator, "na2sig@byu.edu". Email "na2sig-request@byu.edu" to subscribe. I'll post any information about beta testing my new stuff to this list when I'm ready to do so. -Mat
From: pboher@agsm.ucla.edu (Pablo Boher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: High speed data transfer Date: 24 Feb 1994 03:59:11 GMT Organization: The Anderson School at UCLA Message-ID: <2kh8mf$7jm@news.mic.ucla.edu> We are four students at the Anderson Graduate School of Management at UCLA. As part of our degree requirements, we are responsible for completing a Management Field Study. As part of our Field Study, we are researching the needs of network workstation users. To assist us in our study, we would ask that you please take five minutes to complete the following questionnaire (there are 12 questions). This will help provide us with the information we need to complete our Field Study and fulfill our degree requirements. Also please feel free to add any additional comments that you might have. Thank you in advance for helping us. Please send completed survey to pboher@agsm.ucla.edu or pboher@uclagsm.bitnet Sincerely, Pablo Boher Alfonso Eyzaguirre Steven Rayner Thomas Tomlinson Please do not return surveys after March 11, 1994. Thank you very much. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- We would be very interested in knowing the name of your company or institution and your title. If you would not like to provide this information, please feel free to skip this section. COMPANY OR INSTITUTION: TITLE: Please check or write in your responses to the following: 1. Is your institution in a Workstation environment? (__) YES (__) NO If YES, please specify the brand and number of workstations: (__) Sun. How many workstations? ______ (__) IBM How many workstations? ______ (__) HP How many workstations? ______ (__) Silicon Graphics How many workstations? ______ (__) Other, please specify brand and number ________________________ 2. Are your workstations connected in a shared network? (__) YES (__) NO If YES, for what type of application are they used? (__) Resouce sharing (e.g. disk arrays) (__) Imaging and graphics (e.g. medical, CAD) (__) Multimedia (__) Interactive video entertainment (__) Distributed data bases (__) Other, please specify _____________________________ 3. Under what type of media are your workstations connected? (__) Token Ring (__) FDDI (__) Ethernet (__) Other, please specify __________________ 4. In what capacities are you involved with your workstation network? (__) Network user (__) System administrator (__) Network engineer (__) Other, please specify ___________________ 5. Does the media connecting your workstations transfer data at a speed sufficient to meet your needs? (__) YES (__) NO 6. Currently, what is the biggest bottleneck, if any, in your overall system? 7. In deciding which technology to use for data transfer capability, which features should this system have? Please rate each of the following factors from 1 to 5, 1 being not important and 5 being very important. Place a check after the appropriate answer. (1 = Not Important, 5 = Very Important) Speed 1(__) 2(__) 3(__) 4(__) 5(__) Upgradability of Components 1(__) 2(__) 3(__) 4(__) 5(__) Expandability 1(__) 2(__) 3(__) 4(__) 5(__) Comapatibility 1(__) 2(__) 3(__) 4(__) 5(__) Reliability 1(__) 2(__) 3(__) 4(__) 5(__) Interoperability 1(__) 2(__) 3(__) 4(__) 5(__) Cost 1(__) 2(__) 3(__) 4(__) 5(__) Other, please specify ___ 1(__) 2(__) 3(__) 4(__) 5(__) 8. How do you or your colleagues stay current on new products and new technologies? Please check those sources you use and list specific sources. (__) Magazines: _____________________________ (__) Seminars: _____________________________ (__) Suppliers: _____________________________ (__) Electronic Bulletin Board: ________________ (__) Trade Shows: ___________________________ (__) Other: ________________________________ 9. When you wish to upgrade or alter your system, how do you go about it? Please check all that apply. (__) Ourselves, in-house people (__) Sales and/or Service Vendor (__) System Integrator (__) Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) (__) Other, please specify _______________________________________ 10. What are your impressions of ATM? 11. What are your impressions of Fibre Channel? 12. If an ATM Adapter that transfers data at 155 Mbit/second was priced at $2,500, how much would you be willing to pay for a Fibre Channel Adapter that moves data: At 266 Mbit/second? $_____________ At 1.062 Gigabit/second? $_________ Please send completed survey to pboher@agsm.ucla.edu Thank you very much!
From: Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anyone ported 'Edge' to NeXT? Message-ID: <104618@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 19:25:02 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <104384@cup.portal.com> <2kb802$ock@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> >>Has anyone ported the X program 'edge' to NeXT? >>('edge' is a program that generates graphs, suchs >>as hierarchy trees, directed acyclic graphs, pert-nets, >>etc.) > >As I recall it worked fine for me with Mouse-X (black hardware). Not more tha n >a few superficial changes. The main problem was that it had so >few export options. GUI wise, a native port wouldn't be worthwhile, >seeing how all the important stuff in that application isn't GUI oriented. >Better to just lift the relevant code and write a wrapper >application... I thought about this, but the code is written in a way that makes this easy. All the primitive objects include Widgets in them. >Do you need all the smart features of edge? Might Diagram 2.0 do what >you need? There is a similar program for InterViews 2.6 with a nicer interface , >but fewer features compared with edge. And there are some pointers to >these types of programs in the comp.ai faqs, also there are a few LISP program s >floating around that do graph layout. What I need is the capability to input a directed-acyclic graph and have the program create the visual layout and display it. (Printing is good, too) Do any of the above do this, and if so, where can I get them? Thanks! Lee Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Swap space -- freeing it up Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 03:01:04 GMT Message-ID: <CLpKDu.LtB@crash.cts.com> Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) The "uptime" command in my NS3.2 environment on my NeXTcube sez that my machine has been up for 33 days. Not bad. But, I just noticed that in /private/vm, the swapfile is 27 megabytes and something called :swapfile.front" is 56 megabytes!! No wonder I have very little space left on my machine. Do I have to reboot to free up this space? I get nervous when I reboot my cube; ever since NS3.2 was installed it's been bad news rebooting. That's what uptime is 33 days and counting! But I am down to 18MB free on this machine and I need more space. If I gotta reboot I will, but, if there's a workaround, I'd love to hear it. - bd
From: s771966@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Green) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTWorld Expo Date: 24 Feb 94 04:08:38 GMT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia. Message-ID: <s771966.762062918@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU> Summary: Complaint about DCI Keywords: NeXTWorld Expo complaint Has anybody else had trouble getting information out of DCI about this year's NeXTWORLD Expo?? I have called them three times over the last three weeks and been assured each time that the information would be faxed to me immediately. The last time I called they promised that a special urgency tag would be placed on the request and that it would be dealt with immediately. I'm still waiting. One of the operators at DCI said that they use a fax service which batches all the faxes until the end of each day and then sends them out all at once. If so, it is an exceedingly inefficient service to miss sending me the information three times running. They do not seem to keep any record of calls received because I have had to provide complete contact details (phone, fax and address) each time I've called. I really am quite interested in attending the Expo but without any advance information how the hell can I make travel and accomodation arrangements? Quoting the "preferred customer code" doesn't seem to have worked either. Sorry to have taken so long but I needed to express my frustration *somewhere*. -- David Green | tel: +61 3 827 5828 | s771966@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au Melbourne, Australia | fax: +61 3 827 5876 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... What opinions ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mlnorman@flagstaff.Princeton.EDU (Michael Louis Norman) Subject: Canon signs on to PowerPC Message-ID: <1994Feb24.025408.5587@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 02:54:08 GMT I just saw this in the NY Times today. Does anyone think that Canon's PowerPC "clones" will come in black cases with the little NeXT insignia on it, running a ported version of NS3.2?? Thoughts anyone? - Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: PROBLEM: NXFax + ZyXEL for remote login Message-ID: <1994Feb23.220524.5157@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Keywords: nxfax Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 22:05:24 GMT Hi, This shouldn't be a problem. After all the great stories on the net about the lucky trio of NeXT + NXFax + ZyXEL, I went for the U1496E+. Most features work quiet well, but I run into deep problems with using the modem in auto-answer mode for remote login. But first my configuration: - NeXTstation 68040/25Mhz/32Mb - NXFax 1.03b - ZyXEL U1496E+ version 6.11a P Remote side: - old-fashioned modem (non Hayes, push-buttons, v22, 1200 baud) The behaviour is that after both modems make a connection, on the terminal a number of AT and ++++ sequences are displayed during the login prompt. Login is OK, but after logout again all those Hayes commands are appearing, together with much more rubish. A second login is not possible without first a hangup of the phone line. During my remote session (that is OK) the NXFaxMonitor window displays "waiting for incoming call" and the Console has already logged "hangup signal" and "call complete". For the rest everything is working well: outgoing as well as incoming faxes, outgoing data traffic (you see the proof now), etc. Black and White did some suggestions (like upgrading the modem software) which up to now didn't help yet. It seems that for them this is a new problem. Who has had similar experiences? Or who can tell me how I can test if this is a NXFax or a ZyXEL problem. I hope someone can help. Thanks already in advance. I will summarize. Willem -- W i l l e m v a n S c h a i k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philips TASS schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Swap space -- freeing it up Date: 24 Feb 1994 06:12:44 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2khggs$6a2@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <CLpKDu.LtB@crash.cts.com> In article <CLpKDu.LtB@crash.cts.com> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: >The "uptime" command in my NS3.2 environment on my NeXTcube sez that >my machine has been up for 33 days. Not bad. > >But, I just noticed that in /private/vm, the swapfile is 27 megabytes >and something called :swapfile.front" is 56 megabytes!! No wonder I have >very little space left on my machine. > >Do I have to reboot to free up this space? I get nervous when I reboot >my cube; ever since NS3.2 was installed it's been bad news rebooting. >That's what uptime is 33 days and counting! But I am down to 18MB free >on this machine and I need more space. If I gotta reboot I will, but, >if there's a workaround, I'd love to hear it. The workaround is to get more disk. 27MB or even 50MB of swapfile is a fact of life with NeXT's Mach OS. Don't waste your energy and time trying to find other workarounds. Anything you put into swaptab can't possibly a solution to your chronic space shortage. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Look up "gullible" in Webster Date: 24 Feb 1994 06:34:39 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2khhpv$6jr@agate.berkeley.edu> One of my colleagues just found this. Look up the word "gullible" in Webster. (It may not work if your system is not set up for ...). -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "TWARECKI,PIOTR,MR" <B7NS000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> Subject: Processes won't die; faxmodem... Message-ID: <24FEB94.00689123.0114@VM1.MCGILL.CA> Sender: usenet@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA Organization: McGill University Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 05:38:17 GMT Hello, I have another querry (this time I hope I put it in a more appropriate group :). Every now and then I will have a process run astray, which just will not die. I had this happen to mount, when I tried to mount a damaged OD, and at one point to tip (more on that later). Trying kill and kill -9 doesn't seem to work. In both cases this resulted in the workspace freezing, and the shell freezing. The only thing that seemed to work was the power key. But this only killed the Workspace (after a long delay), and failed to take the machine down (I gave up after 5 minutes of staring at a grey screen). The only thing left to do was to force a power-off with the monitor. Is this a common behaviour? I'm especially curious about the machine not being able to shut down because of the process. About the tip program. I had my modem setup for receiving faxes (I'm just experimenting, but almost ready to give up on getting my BocaResearch 14.4 class 2 faxmodem to work with the NeXT class 2 driver). When I run tip, all kinds of wonderful things started happening (it looked like both the fax and tip were talking to the port), and then, when I tried to exit tip by the normal 'tilde' procedure, it hang as described above. I coudldn't find any reference on this, but should I refrain from accessing the serial port while the fax is set-up? Also, what exactly does NeXT define as class 2 fax? Thank you very much for your help. (Sorry for all these questions, byt this system is extremely complex compared to what I'm used to with 'normal' computers). Peter. Peter Twarecki <b7ns@MUSICB.McGill.CA>
From: jeddak@echonyc.com (Jonathan Donald) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple II emulator? Date: 24 Feb 1994 01:25:46 GMT Organization: ECHO BBS & Public Access Internet Site, NYC Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kgvmq$hk@subway.echonyc.com> References: <2kc2n6$njl@digdug.pencom.com> <1994Feb22.135234.1709@hot.com> <2kgl69$pdr@hamblin.math.byu.edu> : Not quite. It's called zaniWok. You can get it from : ftp.byu.edu:/pub/apple2 but you must have the //e ROMs : for it to work. It's pretty buggy in it's current state. So where do you put the ROMs?????????? In a breadboard tied to your DSP port? -- *************************************************************************** * i love ants %MMM %MMM %MMM * ***************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: grisu (Gernot A. Pohl) Subject: e-mail address of dpt needed! Message-ID: <1994Feb23.220047.3544@utata.in-berlin.de> Keywords: DPT, e-mail Sender: grisu@utata.in-berlin.de (Gernot Armin Pohl) Organization: WY Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 22:00:47 GMT I d like to have any contact to DPT (Distributed Processing Technology, Florida) via internet (e-mail). -- [NeXT-]Mail to grisu@uriela.in-berlin.de .. viel Spasz! > Gernot Pohl \_/ Schoenhauser Allee 5
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTWorld Expo Date: 24 Feb 1994 12:29:13 GMT Organization: Me Message-ID: <2ki6ip$5j0@news.tamu.edu> References: <s771966.762062918@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au> Keywords: NeXTWorld Expo complaint In article <s771966.762062918@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au>, David Green <s771966@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU> wrote: >Has anybody else had trouble getting information out of DCI about this >year's NeXTWORLD Expo?? > >-- >David Green | tel: +61 3 827 5828 | s771966@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au >Melbourne, Australia | fax: +61 3 827 5876 | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I received at least 2 identical pieces of mail about this, which I can fax you if I didn't throw them both away already. Or was it something more detailed that you were looking for? Lusty
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@nexus.yorku.ca (Phil McDunnough) Subject: BackSpace Modules Message-ID: <CLqCxJ.5G2@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Originator: philip@nexus.yorku.ca Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 13:17:42 GMT Could someone tell me where to find the BackSpace modules, especially the Aquarium one? Thank's... Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Opener.app, BinHex, and MIME Mail app for Mac? Date: 24 Feb 1994 14:41:50 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kiebe$ckt@agate.berkeley.edu> It looks like most of the new BinHex 4.0 files from Mac cannot be unpacked by Opener.app. What should I tell Mac people to use for sending their WordPerfect files over E-mail? Now that Echelon by Doug Boyce can handle MIME attachement on the NeXT, is there a MIME mail app for Mac that they can use to send me binary files? I don't care to wade through Mac newsgroups, so I am hoping that the enlightened folks here can give me the answer. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Going blank on restart Date: 24 Feb 1994 08:58:05 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9402241458.AA05052@cantina.lanl.gov> Quite recently something changed on this NS/I 3.2 machine: on logging out and clicking on the restart button/confirming restart in the alert panel, things just go blank. To get the reboot process to continue, I have to bring up the small restart panel (with <rightalt-numlock>) and type in an 'r'. I don't know quite when or why this started happening, but it now seems to be consistent behavior. Does anyone know why? Background: Epson NX running 3.2, with the new Adaptec 154x Drivers installed. Thank you, NeXT -- that DOES cure my (6,3,0) exceptions at bootup. [For me these always occurred after registering the PSMouse but then not being able to find the Adaptec card.] The going-blank problem started, however, before I put in the new drivers. Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
From: punch@sol.msu.edu (Bill Punch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple II emulator? Date: 24 Feb 1994 15:02:45 GMT Organization: MSU KBS Lab Sender: punch@sol (Bill Punch) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kifil$17dr@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <1994Feb22.135234.1709@hot.com> <2kh37q$9s0@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> So what does it mean to "have a copy of the //e rom". Do I have the roms and hook them up physically to the NeXT (what port, DSP?). Is there a way to download the roms to the NeXT? How exactly would this work? Thanks. >>>bill<<<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Subject: "Unix File System....?" Message-ID: <CLMqD9.6D@cvbnet.CV.COM> Sender: usenet@cvbnet.CV.COM (News Account ) Organization: Computervision Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 14:17:33 GMT hi! I have been using "tar" to exchange data between my NextStation and a Sun SparcStation. Normally, I just format the diskettes using "fdformat" on the Sun... I assume that this puts down a "Unix" file system on the diskette. In the past (NextStep 2.1 or 3.0?), I think I remember being able to format diskettes on my Next with a Unix file system as well... (insert the blank diskette, choose "Initialize" and it gave one a choice of "Next", "Unix" or "DOS")... However, I recently tried this (with NS 3.1) and I just got a choice of "Next", "Mac", or "DOS"... no more "Unix"!!! Any idea what's going on? Is there some other way to format the diskettes appropriately....? Thanks for any help. -- Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730-1486 fax: (617) 275-8506
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Subject: Re: Family Tree Programs Message-ID: <CLMqpz.Et@cvbnet.CV.COM> Sender: usenet@cvbnet.CV.COM (News Account ) Organization: Computervision Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 14:25:11 GMT hi! A while back, I had asked the net about the availability of programs for maintaining Family Trees... Most of the replies I got indicated that other people had the same question (hence, this common reply)... This seems to be the situation: - Under NextStep, several people (including me) are using Diagram to do their family trees. - There seems to be no good PDS or commercial program available for Family Trees under Unix/NextStep. - In the PC world, there is a program called PAF ("Personal Ancestry File") that seems to be quite good, esp. considering the price. (Enclosed below is a bunch of mail someone else sent me on PAF and related info...) Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730-1486 fax: (617) 275-8506 ------------------------- (Message misc.lds:1) Return-Path: ngo Date: Sat, 10 Feb 90 02:18:00 EST From: ngo (Tom Ngo) To: hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) Cc: ngo In-Reply-To: hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM's message of 7 Feb 90 15:43:57 GMT Subject: Geneology Try "Personal Ancestry File", the program used by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church). From what I have heard it has perhaps the best user interface at a very good price... around $40? Try (800) 247-3892. These will be non-technical personnel who will probably not know anything about the program... so if you need a second opinion, you may like to wait for more replies. - --Tom Ngo ngo@harvard.edu =========================================================================== (Message misc.lds:2) Return-Path: ngo Date: Sat, 10 Feb 90 02:20:57 EST From: ngo (Tom Ngo) To: ngo In-Reply-To: blake@uns-helios.nevada.edu's message of 9 Feb 90 22:46:18 GMT Subject: Re: Geneology From: blake@uns-helios.nevada.edu (RAWLIN BLAKE) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.ibm.pc Subject: Re: Geneology Keywords: Geneology Family Tree Date: 9 Feb 90 22:46:18 GMT Reply-To: blake@nevada.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st Organization: Univ of Nevada System Computing Services - Las Vegas In article <1272@lzsc.ATT.COM> hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) writes: >I am looking for a good geneology (family tree) program. >Anyone out there use one or more of them, and if so, what >are your opinions of: > ease of entry > ability to edit or add to existing entries > outputs > >Thank you The best package I am aware of is PAF from the LDS church. Not only is it very powerful, but it has a excellent manual, and is CHEAP!! PAF may be ordered from: Salt Lake Distribution Center 1999 West 1700 South Salt Lake City, UT 84104 1-800-537-5950 (credit card orders) Price is $35.00 including shipping and handling PAF is available in Macintosh and MSDOS (both 3.5" and 5.25" formats) Specify disk size when ordering. The manual for this package is excellent. However, if you have any questions there are phone numbers in the front of the manual to call, or you could look up the local Family History Library (Center) in your phone book under Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If they are anything like the center here (Las Vegas), the volunteers there will know of people who can answer just about any question you can think of. If you have any more questions, or need more help in acquiring the package please feel free to contact me again and I will help you in any way I can. Rawlin Blake <blake@nevada.edu> =========================================================================== Return-Path: Return-Path: scott@spectra.com From: scott@spectra.com (Tim Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps Subject: Re: Genealogy Software Date: 11 Apr 91 00:25:49 GMT Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation In article <3150@skivs.UUCP> jmm@ski.UUCP (Joel M. Miller) writes: >Can anyone recommend a full-featured Genealogy application? I have >several PD programs, but none does more than a fragment of the whole job >(pedigrees, family trees, individual note cards, etc). I also get >the impression that there is some sort of standard for genealogy >data entry, and would like to use it from the start of my project. Although I hesitated to order it since it was HyperCard based, I am extremely impressed with Reunion from Leister Productions. Besides having all the features I wanted, it was very easy to use, had excellent reporting and charting features, and a complete, thorough and attractive manual. It's only $50 and I can pronounce myself a satisfied customer. Leister is on America OnLine for support. You can buy it from MacUser Marketplace and through the big mail order outfits. Another poster highly recommended the LDS Church's Personal Ancestral File (PAF), which I haven't tried. I have tried Family Heritage File (FHF) which I'm afraid just isn't ready for the Mac; it's clearly a DOS port and very clunky. A flyer in the package mentioned a new version more Mac-like; this was about 2 months ago. But after trying Reunion, it does everything I can ever imagine needing so I didn't give FHF another chance. On genealogy in general: depending on where you are, look for an LDS Genealogy Research center in your city. We have at least one in the San Diego area, providing on-line access to the >60 CD-ROM LDS genealogy data base. Use is (currently) free on a sign-up basis. I almost hesitate to promulgate this as due to the flood of users this service may eventually be charged for or restricted to LDS members. But since I got the information as a favor I am honor bound to pass it on. Disclaimer: I am in no way connected with Leister Productions except as a satisfied customer. Your mileage may (OF COURSE) vary. -- Tim P Scott . . . sending from: Spectragraphics Corp. 9707 Waples St., San Diego CA 92121 [USA]+619-587-6834 Internet: scott@spectra.com {ucsd!}nosc!spectra!scott AppleLink: SCOTT.T OnLine America: TimS45 Return-Path: Return-Path: walt@kailua From: walt@kailua (Walter Holladay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps Subject: Re: Geneology software Date: 3 May 91 20:08:00 GMT Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon Nntp-Posting-Host: kailua In article <1991May2.195555.27227@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> psancken@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Paulette Sancken) writes: >I'm looking for an easy to use geneology software package for the >Macintosh. Recommendations and sources of acquisition would be welcomed. >Freeware and shareware a definite plus! Thanks. Personal Ancestral File program (PAF) which is put out by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon) is excellent. It's not Freeware, but I think it only costs around $35.00. It's easy to use and seems to be well thought out. They also have a version for IBM compatible PC's. Information can be shared between the two versions using some conversion programs that come with it. I recently heard some concerns that it might not work too well with system 7.0, but I don't know much about that. One big plus is that you can access the LDS church's records using another program that reads records stored on optical disks. There are systems set up all over the country (world?) where you can go and use these facilities. All you need to do is make an apointment, the facilities may be used free. You can execute a search the person you are looking for and if he/she is found you just the info to a floppy and take it home. Anyway, you can get more info on the program by calling: 1 800 537-5950. Hope this helps, Walter Return-Path: Return-Path: Article: 6651 of comp.sys.mac.apps Path: husc6!hsdndev!think.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!runxtsa!tonyw From: tonyw@runx.oz.au (Anthony Williams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps Subject: Re: Wanted: Geneology software package Message-ID: <1991May25.092751.7140@runx.oz.au> Date: Sat, 25 May 91 05:27:51 EDT References: <53276@apple.Apple.COM> Sender: tonyw@runxtsa.runx.oz.au Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare. Sydney, Australia. Lines: 24 In article <53276@apple.Apple.COM> vossron@Apple.COM (Ronald N. Voss) writes: >Commercial, Shareware, PD, whatever. > >What's available? Where can I get it? > I use a great package I bought at low cost (I can't remember how much) from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (otherwise known as the mormon church) called Personal Ancestral File. Versions are available for the Mac and the IBM-PC and can exchange files. I have nothing to do with the church, I heard about the package from someone who had it recommended. You can write for details to :- Family History Dept. Ancestral File Operations Unit, 2WW 50 East North Temple Street Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 or phone (801) 240-2584 These details are from my manual. It is a great package with excellent manual. Tony Williams Return-Path: ngo-cm@das Received: from cube.harvard.edu by endor.harvard.edu; Wed, 5 Feb 92 07:26:19 EST Received: by cube.harvard.edu; Wed, 5 Feb 92 07:25:56 EST Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 07:25:56 EST From: ngo-cm@das To: S.R.Summers@massey.ac.nz (S.R Summers) Cc: ngo In-Reply-To: S.R.Summers@massey.ac.nz's message of 5 Feb 92 04:37:06 GMT Subject: genealogy software [lots of messages enclosed] Hi, You might like to take a look at the suggestions below. (Enclosed are a message I posted, and a message someone else posted.... plus three other messages that I have seen crossing the bulletin boards, one of which represents an alternative opinion.) --Tom ngo@harvard.edu P.S. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints but have no financial interest in the program... =========================================================================== (Message misc.lds:1) Return-Path: ngo Date: Sat, 10 Feb 90 02:18:00 EST From: ngo (Tom Ngo) To: hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) Cc: ngo In-Reply-To: hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM's message of 7 Feb 90 15:43:57 GMT Subject: Geneology Try "Personal Ancestry File", the program used by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church). From what I have heard it has perhaps the best user interface at a very good price... around $40? Try (800) 247-3892. These will be non-technical personnel who will probably not know anything about the program... so if you need a second opinion, you may like to wait for more replies. --Tom Ngo ngo@harvard.edu =========================================================================== (Message misc.lds:2) Return-Path: ngo Date: Sat, 10 Feb 90 02:20:57 EST From: ngo (Tom Ngo) To: ngo In-Reply-To: blake@uns-helios.nevada.edu's message of 9 Feb 90 22:46:18 GMT Subject: Re: Geneology From: blake@uns-helios.nevada.edu (RAWLIN BLAKE) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.ibm.pc Subject: Re: Geneology Keywords: Geneology Family Tree Date: 9 Feb 90 22:46:18 GMT Reply-To: blake@nevada.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st Organization: Univ of Nevada System Computing Services - Las Vegas In article <1272@lzsc.ATT.COM> hcj@lzsc.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) writes: >I am looking for a good geneology (family tree) program. >Anyone out there use one or more of them, and if so, what >are your opinions of: > ease of entry > ability to edit or add to existing entries > outputs > >Thank you The best package I am aware of is PAF from the LDS church. Not only is it very powerful, but it has a excellent manual, and is CHEAP!! PAF may be ordered from: Salt Lake Distribution Center 1999 West 1700 South Salt Lake City, UT 84104 1-800-537-5950 (credit card orders) Price is $35.00 including shipping and handling PAF is available in Macintosh and MSDOS (both 3.5" and 5.25" formats) Specify disk size when ordering. The manual for this package is excellent. However, if you have any questions there are phone numbers in the front of the manual to call, or you could look up the local Family History Library (Center) in your phone book under Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If they are anything like the center here (Las Vegas), the volunteers there will know of people who can answer just about any question you can think of. If you have any more questions, or need more help in acquiring the package please feel free to contact me again and I will help you in any way I can. Rawlin Blake <blake@nevada.edu> =========================================================================== Return-Path: Return-Path: scott@spectra.com From: scott@spectra.com (Tim Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps Subject: Re: Genealogy Software Date: 11 Apr 91 00:25:49 GMT Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation In article <3150@skivs.UUCP> jmm@ski.UUCP (Joel M. Miller) writes: >Can anyone recommend a full-featured Genealogy application? I have >several PD programs, but none does more than a fragment of the whole job >(pedigrees, family trees, individual note cards, etc). I also get >the impression that there is some sort of standard for genealogy >data entry, and would like to use it from the start of my project. Although I hesitated to order it since it was HyperCard based, I am extremely impressed with Reunion from Leister Productions. Besides having all the features I wanted, it was very easy to use, had excellent reporting and charting features, and a complete, thorough and attractive manual. It's only $50 and I can pronounce myself a satisfied customer. Leister is on America OnLine for support. You can buy it from MacUser Marketplace and through the big mail order outfits. Another poster highly recommended the LDS Church's Personal Ancestral File (PAF), which I haven't tried. I have tried Family Heritage File (FHF) which I'm afraid just isn't ready for the Mac; it's clearly a DOS port and very clunky. A flyer in the package mentioned a new version more Mac-like; this was about 2 months ago. But after trying Reunion, it does everything I can ever imagine needing so I didn't give FHF another chance. [Note from Tom: I disagree with this. The graphical user interface in PAF is not at all DOSsy.] On genealogy in general: depending on where you are, look for an LDS Genealogy Research center in your city. We have at least one in the San Diego area, providing on-line access to the >60 CD-ROM LDS genealogy data base. Use is (currently) free on a sign-up basis. I almost hesitate to promulgate this as due to the flood of users this service may eventually be charged for or restricted to LDS members. But since I got the information as a favor I am honor bound to pass it on. Disclaimer: I am in no way connected with Leister Productions except as a satisfied customer. Your mileage may (OF COURSE) vary. -- Tim P Scott . . . sending from: Spectragraphics Corp. 9707 Waples St., San Diego CA 92121 [USA]+619-587-6834 Internet: scott@spectra.com {ucsd!}nosc!spectra!scott AppleLink: SCOTT.T OnLine America: TimS45 =========================================================================== Return-Path: Return-Path: walt@kailua From: walt@kailua (Walter Holladay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps Subject: Re: Geneology software Date: 3 May 91 20:08:00 GMT Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon Nntp-Posting-Host: kailua In article <1991May2.195555.27227@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> psancken@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Paulette Sancken) writes: >I'm looking for an easy to use geneology software package for the >Macintosh. Recommendations and sources of acquisition would be welcomed. >Freeware and shareware a definite plus! Thanks. Personal Ancestral File program (PAF) which is put out by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon) is excellent. It's not Freeware, but I think it only costs around $35.00. It's easy to use and seems to be well thought out. They also have a version for IBM compatible PC's. Information can be shared between the two versions using some conversion programs that come with it. I recently heard some concerns that it might not work too well with system 7.0, but I don't know much about that. One big plus is that you can access the LDS church's records using another program that reads records stored on optical disks. There are systems set up all over the country (world?) where you can go and use these facilities. All you need to do is make an apointment, the facilities may be used free. You can execute a search the person you are looking for and if he/she is found you just the info to a floppy and take it home. Anyway, you can get more info on the program by calling: 1 800 537-5950. Hope this helps, Walter =========================================================================== Return-Path: Return-Path: Article: 6651 of comp.sys.mac.apps Path: husc6!hsdndev!think.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!runxtsa!tonyw From: tonyw@runx.oz.au (Anthony Williams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps Subject: Re: Wanted: Geneology software package Message-ID: <1991May25.092751.7140@runx.oz.au> Date: Sat, 25 May 91 05:27:51 EDT References: <53276@apple.Apple.COM> Sender: tonyw@runxtsa.runx.oz.au Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare. Sydney, Australia. Lines: 24 In article <53276@apple.Apple.COM> vossron@Apple.COM (Ronald N. Voss) writes: >Commercial, Shareware, PD, whatever. > >What's available? Where can I get it? > I use a great package I bought at low cost (I can't remember how much) from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (otherwise known as the mormon church) called Personal Ancestral File. Versions are available for the Mac and the IBM-PC and can exchange files. I have nothing to do with the church, I heard about the package from someone who had it recommended. You can write for details to :- Family History Dept. Ancestral File Operations Unit, 2WW 50 East North Temple Street Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 or phone (801) 240-2584 These details are from my manual. It is a great package with excellent manual. Tony Williams Return-Path: lind@eng.umd.edu From: lind@eng.umd.edu (Charles A. Lind) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted Subject: Re: Geneology program wanted Keywords: geneology,program,mac Date: 2 Jan 92 14:55:46 GMT Reply-To: lind@eng.umd.edu (Charles A. Lind) Distribution: usa Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park In article <1992Jan2.021210.1943@cbfsb.att.com>, fargi@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (charles.f.fargis) writes: > I dont use mac hardware but my brother does . > He asked me to find out if there is a commercial > geneolgy product for mac out there. > I suppose someone out there has one and will let me know > of one. > As I dont normally read this group, > please RSVP via email direct to > c_fargis@att.com > attmail!fargis > somerset!fargis (for at&t folks) > Thanks > Charlie Fargis > at&t > 908-805-2335 Just two weeks ago I posted the same question, so I guess it's time to summarize my responses: Of the responses I recieved only two software packages were mentioned: Personal Ancestory File by the Church of JC Of Latter-day Saints and Reunion. About 80% preferred the package by CoJCoLDS. It costs ~$40 as opposed to Reunion which is over $100. The address for PAF is: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Family History Department Ancestral File Operators Unit 50 East North Temple Street Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 Charles lind@hellcat.eng.umd.edu NOTE: To all those who responded to my post, THANKS!!!!!!! Return-Path: george@swbatl.sbc.com 235-6544) From: george@swbatl.sbc.com (George D. Nincehelser - (314) 235-6544) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.wanted Subject: Re: Geneology program wanted Keywords: geneology,program,mac Date: 2 Jan 92 19:10:16 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Southwestern Bell Advanced Technology Laboratory In article <1992Jan02.145546.20373@eng.umd.edu> lind@eng.umd.edu (Charles A. Lind) writes: >Of the responses I recieved only two software packages were mentioned: Personal > Ancestory File by the Church of JC Of Latter-day > Saints and Reunion. About 80% preferred the package > by CoJCoLDS. It costs ~$40 as opposed to Reunion which is over $100. > Many people go with PAF just because of the price...not always a wise decision IMHO. It will work if your needs and want are spartan, but I like to generate nice charts and such. Reunion has just been upgraded to 3.0. It now has more support for scanned images and calculates blood relationships among other things. Here's where you can contact the publisher: Leister Productions 14 Hill Blvd. Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 Phone: 717-697-1378 Fax: 717-697-4373 I have no connection with this product other than being a very happy user for more than a year. -- / George David Nincehelser \ george@swbatl.sbc.com \ / / Southwestern Bell Telephone \ Phone: (314) 235-6544 \ / / / Advanced Technology Laboratory \ Fax: (314) 235-5797 \ / / / /\ 1010 Pine, St. Louis, MO 63101 \ de asini umbra disceptare \ Return-Path: Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk From: Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Gneealogical Software - descendants listings Date: 16 Mar 92 11:06:08 GMT X-Mailer: mail-news newcastle perl version I am trying to locate software (freeware, shareware or commercial) which I could use in association with the Personal Ancestral File (PAF) genealogical database system, from the Church of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons). Specifically I am searching for software that could take as input a GEDCOM file exported from PAF, and print a much more detailed descendants chart than PAF provides. Alternatively, though I am in general very satisfied with PAF, which is certainly remarkably good value for money, I could switch to the use of another genealogical database system, if I could find one that was a sufficient improvement over PAF. However, as far as I can tell none of the others that I have located and investigated (Family Roots, Family Heritage File, and Reunion) both support GEDCOM input/output and provide fully detailed descendants charts. Reunion perhaps comes closest, since it supports GEDCOM, and provides a somewhat better descendants chart than PAF. Family Roots does provide a full range facilities for printing descendants charts of the sort I am seeking, but does not appear to support GEDCOM. And Family Heritage File, despite being a licensed version of PAF, apparently does not even provide the limited descendants chart facilities of PAF! I would suggest that responses be by email (to Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk) - if they warrant it I will summarize and post them to this newsgroup. Computing Laboratory, The University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk PHONE = +44 91 222 7923 FAX = +44 91 222 8232
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerti@tms-gmbh.de (Gerd Knops) Subject: Re: Swap space -- freeing it up Message-ID: <CLqB7L.u5@tms-gmbh.de> Sender: usenet@tms-gmbh.de Organization: tms GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <CLpKDu.LtB@crash.cts.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 12:40:32 GMT In article <CLpKDu.LtB@crash.cts.com> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: > > But, I just noticed that in /private/vm, the swapfile is 27 megabytes > and something called :swapfile.front" is 56 megabytes!! > Whenever you see a "swapfile.front" in /private/vm, it is a sure sign that compressed swapping is enabled. The documentation seems to be a bit wrong about under what conditions compressed swapping is turned on/off automatically. However, "swapfile.front" is sort of a vitual file, only the amount stated in "swapfile" is really used. The "swapfile.front" is an uncompressed image of "swapfile", and not really using disk space. Gerd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bryan@ad.cise.nsf.gov (Bryan Thompson) Subject: Diamond Viper & NS3.2? Message-ID: <1994Feb24.154731.14927@n1.nsf.gov> Sender: news@n1.nsf.gov Organization: National Science Foundation Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 15:47:31 GMT Has anyone a positive experience working with the Diamond Viper card with NS 3.2? Thanks, -- Bryan Thompson Computer Scientist National Science Foundation bryan@ad.cise.nsf.gov
From: mat@cag.lcs.mit.edu (Mat Hostetter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple II emulator? Date: 24 Feb 1994 16:26:27 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kikfj$7bi@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> References: <2kifil$17dr@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> In article <2kifil$17dr@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> punch@sol.msu.edu (Bill Punch) writes: > So what does it mean to "have a copy of the //e rom". Do I have the roms > and hook them up physically to the NeXT (what port, DSP?). Is there a > way to download the roms to the NeXT? How exactly would this work? > Thanks. Sorry I didn't explain better. You download the ROMs to your NeXT and save them in a file: skyclad> ls -l /LocalLibrary/Apple2/ROM_IMAGE -r--r--r-- 1 mat 21 16128 May 15 1992 /LocalLibrary/Apple2/ROM_IMAGE No hardware mods are needed; you can just save your ROMs to a file on your Apple //e with a BSAVE and then transfer them with your favorite communications program. Hopefully the new zaniWok will include step-by-step instructions for how to do this. -Mat
From: Cormac Liam Kinney <ck2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! Boot CD ROM Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 14:34:31 -0500 Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <EhPE57200UhBA3q3M4@andrew.cmu.edu> Hello, I need to boot NS 3.0 CD from a SCSI2 Sun (Sony) CD ROM, and haven't been able to get anything to work. Hard drive (Seagate ST1410 400MB) spins up, clicks, and spins down. Does anybody know anything about this? Any suggestions are appreciated. cormac
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stelios@chios.dorm.Virginia.EDU (Stelios Makrinos) Subject: Re: Canon signs on to PowerPC Message-ID: <CLqJLM.FCo@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <1994Feb24.025408.5587@Princeton.EDU> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 15:41:46 GMT Michael Louis Norman writes > I just saw this in the NY Times today. > > Does anyone think that Canon's PowerPC "clones" will come in > black cases with the little NeXT insignia on it, running a ported > version of NS3.2?? > > Thoughts anyone? > > - Michael Check out yesterday's Wall Street Journal in the Marketplace section. The article about Canon and the PowerPC mentions that fact that Canon can use NeXT's old factory. Stelios -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Stelios Makrinos | "It's a sad man my friend, | | University of Virginia | who's living in his own | | Former NeXT Campus Consultant | skin, and can't stand the | | stelios@Virginia.EDU **NeXTmail** | company" Bruce Springsteen | -------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: NextStation (Color/BW) for a reasonable price Followup-To: poster Date: 24 Feb 1994 20:50:44 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2kj3v4$g80@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Keywords: WANTED, NeXT Hi, I am very interested in puchasing a NeXTStation. If anyone out there has one that they would like to sell, please let me know. Thanks, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: nemiroal@bus.orst.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Diamond Viper & NS3.2? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 14:16:29 Organization: College of Business, Oregon State University, Corvallis Message-ID: <nemiroal.79.000E46BD@bus.orst.edu> References: <1994Feb24.154731.14927@n1.nsf.gov> The first question I have for you is ... "Why do you ask? are the Viper Drivers out yet?" In article <1994Feb24.154731.14927@n1.nsf.gov> bryan@ad.cise.nsf.gov (Bryan Thompson) writes:>From: bryan@ad.cise.nsf.gov (Bryan Thompson) >Subject: Diamond Viper & NS3.2? >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 15:47:31 GMT >Has anyone a positive experience working with the Diamond Viper card with >NS 3.2? >Thanks, >-- >Bryan Thompson >Computer Scientist >National Science Foundation >bryan@ad.cise.nsf.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: Re: Canon signs on to PowerPC Message-ID: <CLr4nI.8Ar@ucdavis.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis References: <CLqJLM.FCo@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 23:16:30 GMT > > Does anyone think that Canon's PowerPC "clones" will come in > > black cases with the little NeXT insignia on it, running a ported > > version of NS3.2?? > > Check out yesterday's Wall Street Journal in the Marketplace section. From the Feb 23 edition of the Wall Street Journal (taken w/o permission): Title: Canon to Make Products Based on IBM Chip .. Canon has a head start in developing PowerPC products because it purchased the hardware-design center of Next Com- puter Inc. about a year ago. Next, formed by Apple co-founder Steven P. Jobs, had been working on products that would use PowerPC but eventually left the hardware business to focus on software. Canon, in fact, recently established PowerHouse Systems Inc., a California venture that includes former Next hardware officials, to design PowerPC products. Mr. Guarino said IBM and Canon to- gether willl develop a low-end desktop personal computer that would sell for less than $4000 and could be available by the end of this year. ... .. My comment: a "low-end" pc around $4000??? Nothing else was discussed about NeXT, what operating systems the Canon computers would run, or how many processors they would have. Todd
From: mbehrens@cs.utexas.edu (Mikael Behrens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Apple II emulator? Date: 24 Feb 1994 23:22:18 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kjcra$t2h@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <2kh37q$9s0@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> Wow, so can I have a ProDOS partition on my hard drive? -- Mikael Behrens mbehrens@cs.utexas.edu (NeXTMail OK) Computer Science student University of Texas at Austin "Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shayman@Objectario.com (Steve Hayman) Subject: s/w bundle from the East Coast conference - did you get yours yet? Message-ID: <1994Feb24.234513.1649@objectario.com> Sender: shayman@objectario.com Organization: Steve Hayman + Associates / NeXTSTEP Consulting / Toronto Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 23:45:13 GMT I attended the East Coast Developer's Conference back in January, and signed up to buy the special $995 bundle (NeXTSTEP/Intel user and developer, plus Interbase.) It was to be shipped within two weeks. (I would rather have picked it up at the conference and saved the substantial shipping and customs charge that was tacked on as a nice little added bonus. grr.) My copy hasn't shown up yet, five weeks later. Has anybody received theirs? Particular anybody outside the US? Please let me know by email and I'll summarize if necessary. Thanks, Steve --- Steve Hayman shayman@Objectario.com Steve Hayman & Associates, Toronto, Ontario (416) 769-8995 NeXTSTEP Consulting
From: mcculla@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (STEPHEN MCCULLAGH) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Recent WP & Mathematica? Date: 25 Feb 1994 01:46:10 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kjl92$n9i@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> Keywords: WordPerfect, Mathematica Can someone tell me what the most recent software releases of both WordPerfect and Mathematica (for black hardware) are/were? Where can they be obtained now - and at what cost? Thanks Steve mcculla@gaul.csd.uwo.ca
From: shepherd@suite.com (Scot Shepherd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WORKSPACE error/crash NS3.2 BLACK Date: 24 Feb 1994 15:28:30 GMT Organization: Suite Software Message-ID: <2kih2u$22h@bilbo.suite.com> Anyone got any ideas on this problem. When I attempt to open a directory (mine) while logged in as root with the file browser I get a WORKSPACE ERROR PANEL telling me to attempt to save any files before logging off and the browser disappears. This only happens on one of the 12 NeXTs in the network, and only when opening this one directory. The only clue *I* have are these messages from the messages log file: Feb 24 07:54:45 spam syslog: Tool: bootstrap port died: 1102; exiting Feb 24 07:54:46 spam loginwindow[199]: loginwindow: Workspace exited ts 0 cd 0 rc 0 sv 0 ss 0. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Scot -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Scot Shepherd -- Suite Software | Look TWICE! Motorcycles are -- -- Email: shepherd@suite.com | everywhere!!! -- -- Compu$erve: 72754,1105 | 82 Virago 750, 89 YZ250 -- --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Roland Telfeyan <roland@gomidas.mi.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Canon signs on to PowerPC Date: 25 Feb 1994 05:05:45 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kk0v9$s6g@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <CLqJLM.FCo@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> > Check out yesterday's Wall Street Journal in the Marketplace section. The > article about Canon and the PowerPC mentions that fact that Canon can use > NeXT's old factory. I thought that the factory was dismantled -- that Canon didn't want the factory. What's the deal? Roland --------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Telfeyan Internet: roland@gomidas.mi.org Gomidas Solutions UUCP: uunet!gomidas!roland 1697 Broadway, Suite 104 Phone: +1 313 761 9590 Ann Arbor, MI 48105-1865 Fax: +1 313 761 9890 ---------------------------------------------------------------
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Recent WP & Mathematica? Date: 25 Feb 1994 06:10:47 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kk4p7$4o6@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2kjl92$n9i@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> In article <2kjl92$n9i@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> mcculla@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (STEPHEN MCCULLAGH) writes: >Can someone tell me what the most recent software releases of both >WordPerfect and Mathematica (for black hardware) are/were? Where >can they be obtained now - and at what cost? WordPerfect: Version 1.0.1 [June 10, 1993; FAT binary] Mathematica (for NeXT Computers): Version 2.2 (info@wri.com) Note that WordPerfect's version number is meaningless. There are probably about 8 or so different (maintenance) releases with version number 1.0.1. I am pretty sure that there hadn't been any version other than 1.0.1 for NeXT. Use date to refer to WP versions. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: shepherd@suite.com (Scot Shepherd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT lint? Date: 24 Feb 1994 19:33:37 GMT Organization: Suite Software Message-ID: <2kiveh$6ck@bilbo.suite.com> Anyone know where I can get a lint program for the NeXT? Black hardware? Thanks, Scot -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Scot Shepherd -- Suite Software | Look TWICE! Motorcycles are -- -- Email: shepherd@suite.com | everywhere!!! -- -- Compu$erve: 72754,1105 | 82 Virago 750, 89 YZ250 -- --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu (Dhiren Jeram Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for Gateway 2000 NS FIP users Date: 24 Feb 1994 23:41:06 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kka2i$8e4@girtab.usc.edu> Hi, I read a post several weeks ago which said that somewone was able to drive a parallel printer on a Gateway 2000 machine. I'm a new NS FIP user, and I've been unable to do it. I've tried changing the CMOS setup to no avail. If anyone out there know how to make this work, please let me know. (BTW, I'm trying to drive a Deskjet 500 using the djf driver found on the archives. I tried sending output to pp0 with the baud rate set to 19200, even though the baud rate shouldn't make any difference. I've also tried changing the parallel port to LPT-2, using both IRQ5 and IRQ7 -- Still no luck.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Gursky) Subject: Managing independent printers.... Message-ID: <dgursky.762120783@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 20:13:03 GMT As has been discussed earlier in this, and other csn newsgroups, it is possible to directly attach a PostScript printer (such as an HP LaserJet 4siMX, Apple LaserWriter, etc.) to an Ethernet with an interface card with the LPR/LPD protocols built-in. (The Everex card comes to mind immediately, for HP printers.) How well do these cards handle multiple print requests from over the network - in other words, how well do they do queuing? If they don't do queueing, is it possible to set up a virtual printer on a NeXT that simply redirects the queue to the physical printer by a network connection? -- David M. Gursky MIME and NEXTMAIL accepted Synex, inc. e-mail: .. dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org 8601 Georgia Avenue voice: ............. (301) 608-2144 Silver Spring, MD 20917 fax: ............. (301) 495-3036
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP in Singapore?? Message-ID: <1994Feb25.085858.3099@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven References: <Feb23.235713.54493@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 08:58:58 GMT rtthomas@acs.ucalgary.ca (R. Todd Thomas) writes: >Does anyone know if there is any NEXTSTEP >programming activity going on in Singapore. How about user >groups or even better, companies that are using it. Any >information would be appreciated. >Todd Thomas >rtthomas@acs.ucalgary.ca >todd@avocado.cuc.ab.ca [NeXTmail] Hi, Could you keep me informed of info you get and maybe tell me why you want to know this. My reason for being interested is that I'm using a NeXT at home (not at work) and my department is doing projects in Singapore. I'm always looking for opportunities to use NeXTstep professionally too. Willem -- W i l l e m v a n S c h a i k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philips TASS schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Message-ID: <1994Feb25.090615.3903@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven References: <2khhpv$6jr@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 09:06:15 GMT izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >One of my colleagues just found this. >Look up the word "gullible" in Webster. >(It may not work if your system is not set up for ...). Hey, give us an explanation of what should happen. With me (black NS3.0) nothing special happens. Just a word from 1818. Willem -- W i l l e m v a n S c h a i k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philips TASS schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Message-ID: <1994Feb25.040425.1072@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <2khhpv$6jr@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 04:04:25 GMT My question is "How do we get a better dictionary"? 50 % of the time I use Webster to look up a word its not in the dictionary. I know the common words--I need a dictionary that gives me definitions for words I don't know. Are there any advanced or more complete dictionaries? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Canon BJ600C driver Message-ID: <CLrynI.3Aq@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 10:04:29 GMT Is there a printer driver for the new Canon colour bubblejet printer (BJ600C) for NS/I? Is so, where and how much? -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTWorld Expo Date: 25 Feb 1994 05:08:40 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Message-ID: <2kk14o$aei@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <s771966.762062918@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU> David Green (s771966@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU) wrote: : Has anybody else had trouble getting information out of DCI about this : year's NeXTWORLD Expo?? : [...tale of woe...] : I really am quite interested in attending the Expo but without any : advance information how the hell can I make travel and accomodation : arrangements? : Quoting the "preferred customer code" doesn't seem to have worked : either. I've only contacted them once, but have the same result. They took all my info many days ago, including a fax number, and I have yet to get anything. I hope it doesn't end up screwing me up too badly; as an independent slob, I can't afford to splurge big-time on travel and accomodations due to last minute arrangements. Too bad we all don't have endless time to chase vendors to convince them to give us what info we need so we can spend money with them. Hmm...sound familiar to any other company we know and love? :~/ Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Date: 25 Feb 1994 12:33:33 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1994Feb25.090615.3903@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> In article <1994Feb25.090615.3903@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) writes: >izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > >>Look up the word "gullible" in Webster. >>(It may not work if your system is not set up for ...). > >Hey, give us an explanation of what should happen. With me (black NS3.0) >nothing special happens. Just a word from 1818. I suppose it's OK to explain now. What should happen is that your picture (current console user's picture) in /LocalLibrary/Images/People is displayed with the title "gullible." Obviously, you have to have the picture database set up for Mail.app. Wierd thing is that I can't seem to get it to work with Webster on Black NS3.2. It seems to work only with Webster on NS/Intel with NS3.2 (I don't know if it's in 3.1 NSI). This is not fair. Why only NSI owners get the fun. Should I file a bug report? Or perhaps, NeXT thinks that you are gullible if you are a kind of person who buys a 486 PC to run NEXTSTEP. Black hardware owners have good judgement and therefore not gullible. That makes sense. :-) -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How Create DOS partition after NS? Date: 25 Feb 1994 13:56:02 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2kl01i$3hj@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> I have no knowledge of DOS, hd partitioning, or much besides NS use. Can I create a DOS partition *after* NS have been installed on my disk? At present there is only NS, and no partition. How could I do this assuming it's possible, and how then install DOS, Win, etc? Excuse my ignorance. Thanks L.A. Brooks gaia@wam.umd.edu
From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: 3DReality Mailing List Creation Date: 23 Feb 1994 09:09:59 GMT Organization: I speak for myself Distribution: world Message-ID: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Feb23090959@shrug.dur.ac.uk> I've created a mailing list for users of 3DReality -- if you are interested in joining, then send a message to majordomo@shrug.org reading subscribe 3dr in the body of the message. To post, just mail 3dr@shrug.org. I've also created a small ftp archive for shaders, textures and so on; I don't have a vast amount of space, so submissions will have to be smallish, IE, no 2meg TIFF's you make. You can find the archive at shrug.org:/pub/3dr and can submit to shrug.org:/incoming Let me know if you have any questions! Scott -- EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE WWW: http://shrug.org/pages/scott/scottm.html "In another novel, I *am* you"
From: rfoote@pcm5134.sph.umich.edu (Richard J. Foote) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ATI GUP Clips in 800x600 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 25 Feb 1994 16:09:42 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <2kl7s6$44i@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <CLK95J.H23@utstat.toronto.edu> Philip McDunnough (philip@utstat.toronto.edu) wrote: : Is there a reason why I get clipping ( screen noise when moving a window, : like a horizontal pair of clippers) using an ATI VL GUP (2megs) at 800x600 : (16bit) but not at 1024x768 (16bits) nor 1180x832 (16bits)? Does this occur : with the #9 card (S3 based one)? : Is 24 megs enough? I've gotten the same clipping which is very annoying. What makes it even worse is that apparently the Gateway ATI card which I have won't run in any mode but 800x600 color. In the "8 bit" modes, it looks like it's only displaying 8 shades of gray which is nice for text (lack of clipping), but little else. If anybody knows a way around this... Richard Foote (rfoote@umich.edu) PHPA/SPH University of Michigan
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2klaja$eaf@news.acns.nwu.edu> Control: cancel <2klaja$eaf@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: 25 Feb 1994 16:56:34 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <2klak2$eaj@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2klaja$eaf@news.acns.nwu.edu> was cancelled from within trn. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ATI GUP Clips in 800x600 Date: 25 Feb 1994 16:59:43 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2klapv$eb6@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <CLK95J.H23@utstat.toronto.edu> <2kl7s6$44i@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> In article <2kl7s6$44i@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Richard J. Foote <rfoote@pcm5134.sph.umich.edu> wrote: >Philip McDunnough (philip@utstat.toronto.edu) wrote: >: Is there a reason why I get clipping ( screen noise when moving a window, >: like a horizontal pair of clippers) using an ATI VL GUP (2megs) at 800x600 >: (16bit) but not at 1024x768 (16bits) nor 1180x832 (16bits)? Does this occur >: with the #9 card (S3 based one)? > >: Is 24 megs enough? Odd, I would have expected it at the higher resolutions, not the lower. Which rev (3 or 6) chipset do you have on your ATI board? Since you run at 1180x832 I would think you have the rev 6. I have not seen this on my rev 6 ATI board. > >I've gotten the same clipping which is very annoying. What makes it even >worse is that apparently the Gateway ATI card which I have won't run in any >mode but 800x600 color. In the "8 bit" modes, it looks like it's only >displaying 8 shades of gray which is nice for text (lack of clipping), but >little else. If anybody knows a way around this... > Gateway is shipping ATI boards with DRAM these days. That type of ram is not good for high performance Video work. ATI's chips use some tricks to get good performance at 800x600 resolutions, but at anything higher (especially with 12 bit color) its completely inadequate. You really need Vram, but you cannot get it from Gateway these days. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: sensor@next.duq.edu (Michael L Sensor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .tiff files as wallpaper Date: 25 Feb 1994 17:42:46 GMT Organization: Duquesne University, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <2kldam$bdn@godot.cc.duq.edu> I have been trying, without success, to save a .tiff file as wallpaper for my trusty NeXT. Any help in this matter would be appreciated. -- --- Michael Sensor |Support your local anarcho-capitalist. Eschew Duquesne Looniversity |collectivism. Dilute! Dilute! OK! OK! School of Law |"Stay pink, soft, and oily!" Pittsburgh, PA | -- Crow T. Robot <sensor@next.duq.edu>---R--U--S--H---<sensor@wb3boi-gw.physics.duq.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) Subject: Re: Announcing Octave - a high-level language for numerical computations Message-ID: <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> Organization: Little to None References: <199402230713.BAA07411@schoch.che.utexas.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 23:47:00 GMT I'm looking for a .package'd file of Octave. If anyone can provide it, I'd be greatly pleased. If not, perhaps I'll be the one to gen the binaries, although the article states that it's already been compiled on the NeXT. Please reply via mail, Kurt In article <199402230713.BAA07411@schoch.che.utexas.edu>, John Eaton <jwe@che.utexas.edu> wrote: ... >------------------------------- >ANNOUNCING: Octave Version 1.0 >------------------------------- > >Octave version 1.0 is now available for ftp from ftp.che.utexas.edu >in the directory /pub/octave... > >What is Octave? >--------------- > >Octave is a high-level language, primarily intended for numerical >computations. It provides a convenient command line interface for >solving linear and nonlinear problems numerically. (Ahhhh, a good replacement for MMa (My, do I dislike Wolfram!))
From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Date: 25 Feb 1994 17:58:34 GMT Organization: Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kle8a$jk9@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> Izumi Ohzawa <izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu> writes: > Wierd thing is that I can't seem to get it to work with Webster on > Black NS3.2. It seems to work only with Webster on NS/Intel It works the same on both our i486 & m68k systems under NS 3.2 which share a common /LocalLibrary (among other things). May have to do with the way the images were stored and what bit depths Webster is able to display. For what it's worth, - Christopher
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: pavneet@cyantic.com (Pavneet Arora) Subject: Problems with getting FrameMaker PS to print elsewhere Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 18:58:38 GMT Message-ID: <1994Feb25.185838.4056@cyantic.com> We have some artwork that we have produced under FrameMaker using the Minion typeface. We saved to a PS file in the 'Print...' panel with the 'Normal device-independent...' option set. When we sent this PS file to our print bureau, they can print the artwork, but all the Minion is converted to Courier. From their description, it would appear that character placement is being done using the Minion font metrics (the characters are scrunched up), but the typeface is Courier. Does anyone have any experience with this type of set-up, or hints as to possible areas to look into. advTHANKSance -- Cheers, - pavneet ................................................................. Pavneet Arora -- pavneet@cyantic.com ------------ CYANTIC Systems
From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Octave - a high-level language for numerical computations Date: 25 Feb 1994 20:29:33 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2kln3d$20d@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> In article <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: > >What is Octave? > >--------------- > > > >Octave is a high-level language, primarily intended for numerical > >computations. It provides a convenient command line interface for > >solving linear and nonlinear problems numerically. > > (Ahhhh, a good replacement for MMa (My, do I dislike Wolfram!)) It's a good replacement if you only do numerical computations. Mathematica's primary focus is on symbolic computation. Big difference. Later, Paul M. Cardon NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Dept. - Brigham Young University ----------------------------------------------- DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Octave - a high-level language for numerical computations Date: 25 Feb 1994 20:30:53 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2kln5t$213@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> In article <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: > >What is Octave? > >--------------- > > > >Octave is a high-level language, primarily intended for numerical > >computations. It provides a convenient command line interface for > >solving linear and nonlinear problems numerically. > > (Ahhhh, a good replacement for MMa (My, do I dislike Wolfram!)) It's a good replacement if you only do numerical computations. Mathematica's primary focus is on symbolic computation. Big difference. There are other options than Mathematica though and you'll probably have to port Octave to get it to work. NeXTSTEP is not one of the environments for which they provide binaries unless they just didn't mention it in the press release. Later, Paul M. Cardon NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Dept. - Brigham Young University ----------------------------------------------- DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Octave - a high-level language for numerical computations Date: 25 Feb 1994 20:31:13 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2kln6h$216@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> In article <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: > >What is Octave? > >--------------- > > > >Octave is a high-level language, primarily intended for numerical > >computations. It provides a convenient command line interface for > >solving linear and nonlinear problems numerically. > > (Ahhhh, a good replacement for MMa (My, do I dislike Wolfram!)) It's a good replacement if you only do numerical computations. Mathematica's primary focus is on symbolic computation. Big difference. There are other options than Mathematica though and you'll probably have to port Octave to get it to work. NeXTSTEP is not one of the environments for which they provide binaries unless they just didn't mention it in the press release. Later, Paul M. Cardon NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Dept. - Brigham Young University ----------------------------------------------- DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Octave - a high-level language for numerical computations Date: 25 Feb 1994 20:31:27 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2kln6v$21a@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> In article <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: > >What is Octave? > >Octave is a high-level language, primarily intended for numerical > >computations. It provides a convenient command line interface for > >solving linear and nonlinear problems numerically. > > (Ahhhh, a good replacement for MMa (My, do I dislike Wolfram!)) It's a good replacement if you only do numerical computations. Mathematica's primary focus is on symbolic computation. Big difference. There are other options than Mathematica though and you'll probably have to port Octave to get it to work. NeXTSTEP is not one of the environments for which they provide binaries unless they just didn't mention it in the press release. Later, Paul M. Cardon NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Dept. - Brigham Young University ----------------------------------------------- DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Octave - a high-level language for numerical computations Date: 25 Feb 1994 20:31:48 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2kln7k$21c@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: > >What is Octave? > >Octave is a high-level language, primarily intended for numerical > >computations. It provides a convenient command line interface for > >solving linear and nonlinear problems numerically. > > (Ahhhh, a good replacement for MMa (My, do I dislike Wolfram!)) It's a good replacement if you only do numerical computations. Mathematica's primary focus is on symbolic computation. Big difference. There are other options than Mathematica though and you'll probably have to port Octave to get it to work. NeXTSTEP is not one of the environments for which they provide binaries unless they just didn't mention it in the press release. Later, Paul M. Cardon NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Dept. - Brigham Young University ----------------------------------------------- DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Oops! Date: 25 Feb 1994 20:34:15 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2klnc7$22a@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Looks like I just found another NewsGrazer0.75 bug. It told me that it couldn't send it because there was more included text than new text. As you can see it was sending all of them anyway. It still gave me the error when I got the ratio down. :-( Paul M. Cardon NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Dept. - Brigham Young University ----------------------------------------------- DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Date: 25 Feb 1994 20:01:59 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kllfn$bpu@rosie.next.com> References: <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > Wierd thing is that I can't seem to get it to work with Webster on > Black NS3.2. It seems to work only with Webster on NS/Intel with > NS3.2 (I don't know if it's in 3.1 NSI). This is not fair. Why > only NSI owners get the fun. Should I file a bug report? strangely enough, the reason it's probably not working for you on one machine, but is on another is that you deleted the "pictures" directory from your References/Webster-Dictionary directory. Webster won't try to display any pictures, let alone a silly joke picture if it doesn't think that there are any pictures to display. Just making an empty directory is enough. Erik
From: kdickey@cmsa.gmr.com (Keith Dickey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: pcnfsd daemon? Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 16:24:30 Organization: Electronic Data Systems Message-ID: <kdickey.94.00106905@cmsa.gmr.com> Hello, Anyone know of a pcnfsd daemon for the Next? Keith Dickey kdickey@cmsa.gmr.com Advanced Computing Center, Electronic Data Systems
From: bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Date: 25 Feb 1994 22:38:14 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2klukm$fi8@transfer.stratus.com> References: <2kllfn$bpu@rosie.next.com> In article <2kllfn$bpu@rosie.next.com> erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) writes: > In article <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu > (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > > Wierd thing is that I can't seem to get it to work with Webster on > > Black NS3.2. It seems to work only with Webster on NS/Intel with > > NS3.2 (I don't know if it's in 3.1 NSI). This is not fair. Why > > only NSI owners get the fun. Should I file a bug report? > > strangely enough, the reason it's probably not working for you on one > machine, but is on another is that you deleted the "pictures" directory > from your References/Webster-Dictionary directory. Webster won't try to > display any pictures, let alone a silly joke picture if it doesn't think > that there are any pictures to display. Just making an empty directory is > enough. No, that's not it either. I have the same phenomena here. The directory /NextLibrary/References/Webster-Dictionary/pictures has nothing in it related to "gullible". The artwork that is displayed with this word is in LocalLibrary. In fact, if you do a strings on an Intel Webster you will see: /LocalLibrary/Images/People/%s.tiff. However, this is not true for the black hardware. Both versions of Webster I looked at (the info panel) are 3.0 and they came with NS 3.2 but they ARE different. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Everts bill_everts@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc 1-800-828-8513 Telecom CAC 4455 E Camleback Rd #115-a Phoenix AZ 85018
From: Joe_Keenan@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: pcnfsd daemon? Date: 25 Feb 1994 22:00:45 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2klsed$btm@rosie.next.com> References: <kdickey.94.00106905@cmsa.gmr.com> In article <kdickey.94.00106905@cmsa.gmr.com> kdickey@cmsa.gmr.com (Keith Dickey) writes: > > Anyone know of a pcnfsd daemon for the Next? How about /usr/etc/rpc.pcnfsd? joe
From: Alex Currier <mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I need a MegaPixel box for shipping. Date: 25 Feb 1994 22:36:17 GMT Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kluh1$5sr@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I need to ship a MegaPixel display and unfortunately my cat kinda destroyed mine. If any kind soul out there can spare a box with the foam packing materials or would be willing to let their's go for a nominal financial consideration I would be deeply appreciative. Regards, Alex ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Currier | "Time is an illusion... mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | Lunch time doubly so." MicroCenter Hotline, UT Austin | - Douglas Adams -------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Date: 25 Feb 1994 20:18:01 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2klmdp$kcc@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > | chaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) writes: > | izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > |> Look up the word "gullible" in Webster. > |> (It may not work if your system is not set up for ...). > | > | Hey, give us an explanation of what should happen. With me > | (black NS3.0) nothing special happens. Just a word from 1818. > > I suppose it's OK to explain now. > > What should happen is that your picture (current console user's > picture) in /LocalLibrary/Images/People is displayed with the title > "gullible." Obviously, you have to have the picture database set > up for Mail.app. > > Wierd thing is that I can't seem to get it to work with Webster on > Black NS3.2. It seems to work only with Webster on NS/Intel with > NS3.2 (I don't know if it's in 3.1 NSI). This is not fair. Why > only NSI owners get the fun. Should I file a bug report? It works on my NeXTstation, running NS-3.2. For what it's worth, my faces database on this system (which is black-ice) has both: gad.tiff and gad.black-ice.its.rpi.edu.tiff setup. Presumably it's the gad.tiff one which is important. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: skrbec@onyx9.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Skrbec) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Date: 25 Feb 1994 21:12:29 GMT Organization: Motorola Cellulsr Infrastructure Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <2klpjt$1to@delphinium.cig.mot.com> References: <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > In article <1994Feb25.090615.3903@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem > van Schaik) writes: > >izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > > > >>Look up the word "gullible" in Webster. > >>(It may not work if your system is not set up for ...). > > Wierd thing is that I can't seem to get it to work with Webster on > Black NS3.2. It seems to work only with Webster on NS/Intel with > NS3.2 (I don't know if it's in 3.1 NSI). This is not fair. Why > only NSI owners get the fun. Should I file a bug report? > > Or perhaps, NeXT thinks that you are gullible if you are a kind of > person who buys a 486 PC to run NEXTSTEP. Black hardware owners > have good judgement and therefore not gullible. That makes sense. :-) Works just fine under 3.2 black for me. Brad
From: begonia@abstractsoft.com (Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Date: 25 Feb 1994 23:30:46 GMT Organization: Abstract Software Distribution: world Message-ID: <2km1n6$45c@news.u.washington.edu> References: <1994Feb25.090615.3903@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: >In article <1994Feb25.090615.3903@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem >van Schaik) writes: >>izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >> >>>Look up the word "gullible" in Webster. >>>(It may not work if your system is not set up for ...). >> >>Hey, give us an explanation of what should happen. With me (black NS3.0) >>nothing special happens. Just a word from 1818. > >I suppose it's OK to explain now. > >What should happen is that your picture (current console user's >picture) in /LocalLibrary/Images/People is displayed with the title >"gullible." Obviously, you have to have the picture database set >up for Mail.app. > >Wierd thing is that I can't seem to get it to work with Webster on >Black NS3.2. It seems to work only with Webster on NS/Intel with >NS3.2 (I don't know if it's in 3.1 NSI). This is not fair. Why >only NSI owners get the fun. Should I file a bug report? It "works" fine for me and I'm running 3.2 on Black hardware. Actually I am quite gullible and it should pull up my picture no matter whose looking up the word. :) -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ``Another one of the flock following the herd.'' Abstract Software P.O. Box 25045 Seattle, WA 98125 206/361-5080 e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee!
From: premise@volt.engin.umich.edu (sean michael willson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IBM AIX RS6000 Date: 26 Feb 1994 02:26:23 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kmc0fINNekv@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Originator: premise@volt.engin.umich.edu Here is some information MiNUG thought people would enjoy: _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Beta testers for IBM AIX version of NetInfo Editions Hello, Please send Horace mail if your accounts are big RS6000 users who might be interested in beta testing Netinfo for RS6000. I didn't send him the account managers for FNMA and CRT, I'll let you do it if you think it's appropriate. Kate Begin forwarded message: From: Horace Lim <hal@xedoc.com.au> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 17:17:09 +1100 To: (Kate Smith @ NeXT) Kate_Smith@NeXT.COM Subject: Beta testers for IBM AIX version of NetInfo Editions Kate, We are currently porting (again) to RS6000. Brett, Aris & Co. managed to produce a beta version in 8 hours flat! This was so Alembic & IBM could be demonstrate to McCaw Cellular in Texas! It was hardest to get the machine from IBM Australia, because they had a big bank that hogged every available RS6000 for weeks. Anyway, from feedback, McCaw was VERY impressed... Their roll-out involves some 3000+ NEXTSTEP workstations... Now, to get some of the major IBM customers to get involved in the beta test cycle. So we can release promptly. Could you help with names of NeXT account managers for customers like FNMA (Federal National Mortgage Associates), CRT (Chicago Research Trading) and other NEXTSTEP users using RS6000 servers? Regards, HORACE --- ------------------------------------------------------- Horace A. Lim *It's hard being the minority, even if you know you're right: Internet : hal@xedoc.com.au (NeXTMail really appreciated) Channels Manager, Xedoc Software Development Pty Ltd 222 Park St, South Melbourne, VIC 3205 AUSTRALIA Phone: +61 3 696 2490, Facimile: +61 3 696 6757 ------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________________________________ | | | _/ _/ _/ | | _/_/ _/ |
From: premise@volt.engin.umich.edu (sean michael willson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MiNUG Members!! Date: 26 Feb 1994 02:40:08 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kmcq8INNemj@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Originator: premise@volt.engin.umich.edu Anyone that would like to be added to the Michigan NeXT Users Group mailing list....all are welcome...please send a message to minug-postmaster.general@umich.edu Again all are welcome!!!!! -- _______________________________________________________________________ | | | _/ _/ _/ | | _/_/ _/ |
From: RRobertson@Athletics.TAMU.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] How do I get Next to boot SD1? Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 20:41:56 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <RRobertson.40.0014B392@Athletics.TAMU.EDU> Keywords: Next I just got a NextWorkstation. It's a basic setup... 040/25 and a 105 internal. The place I bought it from assures me that it boots off of the external 400 megs (an Eclipse 400). But so far whenever I boot the machine it just ingores the drive. I have tried setting it to ID 0 and ID 1, no luck (shouldn't an external be at least 1? When I got it is was set to 0?!). Is there anyway to change the ID of the internal drive. What is the syntax of the b sd(x,x,x) command. As far as rtfm, I can't their aren't any yet. They have to find them. I don't want to what until monday... Any help would be appreciated... Traff -> traff@athletics.tamu.edu
From: sromine@nxtul88.wiltel.com (Scott Romine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Doom WAD file Date: 24 Feb 1994 22:13:42 GMT Organization: WilTel Message-ID: <2kj8qm$rbt@gateway.wiltel.com> Has anyone got the doom.wad files from the registered DOS version to successfully run on the NeXT version. I keep receiving a 'W_GetNumForName: STBAR not found!' error.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rvangeen@esq.com (Rob VanGeen) Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Message-ID: <CLtK7v.IH3@unix.portal.com> Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company References: <2khhpv$6jr@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 06:47:51 GMT In article <2khhpv$6jr@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > One of my colleagues just found this. > Look up the word "gullible" in Webster. > (It may not work if your system is not set up for ...). Hey! 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: Recent WP & Mathematica? Message-ID: <bchin.762211046@news.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <2kjl92$n9i@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> <2kk4p7$4o6@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 21:17:26 GMT izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >In article <2kjl92$n9i@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> mcculla@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (STEPHEN MCCULLAGH) writes: >>Can someone tell me what the most recent software releases of both >>WordPerfect and Mathematica (for black hardware) are/were? Where >>can they be obtained now - and at what cost? >WordPerfect: Version 1.0.1 [June 10, 1993; FAT binary] Actually, the final version, Version 1.0.1 January 1994 is available - I ordered mine from WP a week ago (I still don't have it yet, though). The upgrade cost is $8. -- Bill Chin - bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: manroe@manki.toppoint.de(Manfred Roehr) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Message-ID: <CLtoor.E4@manki.toppoint.de> Sender: manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) References: <2kape1$oj2@news.iastate.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 08:24:27 GMT In article <2kape1$oj2@news.iastate.edu> tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: > Dirk Balfanz writes > []Granted, most of NS is more WYSIWYG than you'd see on other systems. >> []Why is it that DisplayPostScript cannot display PostScript? Or is it me > []who is missing some point here? The thing with - "Why is it that DisplayPostScript cannot display PostScript?" - is not only in TEX!!! Please look at any other application, text displayed in 100%, the real most useful percentage!!, and what you see is any other than WYSIWYG!! I would say, that just about 30-40% of all words does not display the correct space between letters, it looks like a wrong kerning!! In printing all is ok, but while processing text its very confusing trieing often to delete a space where no is!!! In 150% all looks ok! This is a bug, and my wish, much more people observe it also and tell it to NeXT. -- *************************************************************** * Manfred Roehr e-mail: manroe@toppoint.de * * Elisabethstrasse 88 fax: +49 431 733 483 * * 24143 Kiel phone: +49 431 73 45 39 * * Germany NeXT-mail welcome * ***************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: Oops! Message-ID: <1994Feb26.062140.3380@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <2klnc7$22a@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 06:21:40 GMT In article <2klnc7$22a@hamblin.math.byu.edu> pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Paul Marshall Cardon II) writes: > Looks like I just found another NewsGrazer0.75 bug. It told me that it > couldn't send it because there was more included text than new text. As Not only did you post many times but it was erroneous info. Octave is precompiled for the NeXT/Black. Available at: ftp.che.utexas.edu:/pub/octave/BINARIES -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us (Chris Osborn) Subject: Re: Apple II emulator? Message-ID: <CLsn83.J71@nvc.cc.ca.us> Sender: news@nvc.cc.ca.us Organization: Napa Valley College References: <2kjcra$t2h@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 18:55:14 GMT In article <2kjcra$t2h@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, mbehrens@cs.utexas.edu (Mikael Behrens) wrote: > Wow, so can I have a ProDOS partition on my hard drive? No, not exactly. You can have a ProDOS disk image, which would just be a file under Unix, which would contain the ProDOS filesystem. (Similar to SoftPC's .hdf files.) I also was able to make zaniWok mount a Unix directory as a ProDOS volume, so you can make any Unix directory appear to be a ProDOS volume, kinda like SoftPC's FSA drive, except that mine doesn't go around turning on execute bits on all the files. :-) -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us fozztexx@groucho.sonoma.edu MIME/NeXTMail ok at both
From: doroin@cobber.cord.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.graphics Subject: Who are major owners of Pixar (Steve Jobs one)? Date: 26 Feb 1994 03:26:09 -0600 Organization: Concordia College, Moorhead Minnesota Distribution: na Message-ID: <2kn4jh$efs@cobber.cord.edu> I wanted to know who the primary owners of Pixar are and also the President and CEO. I read somewhere that Steve Jobs was one. Anyway, I was curious because I really would like Pixar to port their software to NeXTSTEP. With RenderMan built in and the 3Dkit, I think that NeXTSTEP's potential as a graphics platform is immense. Jon -- Jonathan A. Doroin doroin@cobber.cord.edu doroin@wonka.cord.edu (NeXTmail)
From: doroin@cobber.cord.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.graphics Subject: Who are major owners of Pixar (Steve Jobs one)? Date: 26 Feb 1994 03:38:43 -0600 Organization: Concordia College, Moorhead Minnesota Distribution: na Message-ID: <2kn5b3$eip@cobber.cord.edu> I wanted to know who the primary owners of Pixar are and also the President and CEO of the company. I read somewhere that Steve Jobs was a major owner. I was just curious because if Steve Jobs owns a big part of the company he could use his charm to get Pixar to port their software to NeXTSTEP :). With RenderMan already built in and 3Dkit, NeXTSTEP has a lot of potential as a graphics platform. Jon -- Jonathan A. Doroin doroin@cobber.cord.edu doroin@wonka.cord.edu (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: pcnfsd daemon? Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:40:59 GMT Message-ID: <1994Feb26.124059.6504@cyantic.com> References: <kdickey.94.00106905@cmsa.gmr.com> <2klsed$btm@rosie.next.com> In article <2klsed$btm@rosie.next.com> Joe_Keenan@next.com writes: >In article <kdickey.94.00106905@cmsa.gmr.com> kdickey@cmsa.gmr.com (Keith >Dickey) writes: >> >> Anyone know of a pcnfsd daemon for the Next? > >How about /usr/etc/rpc.pcnfsd? This is Version 1 of the pcnfsd. Sun is shipping version 2 source code with PC-NFS 5.0 and the software is freely distributable. I have put the software on my Next but have not had time to work on the compilation. It failed the first time through, and I will need someone else to look at it to complete the build. I'd like to post it when it is finished. -- Mark T. Dornfeld, Cyantic Systems Corporation Voice: (416) 621-6166 1 Eva Road Suite 301 Facsimile: (416) 621-6212 Etobicoke, Ontario, M9C 4Z5 CANADA Email: mark@cyantic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Message-ID: <DBDMBLGD@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1994Feb25.090615.3903@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 15:48:52 GMT Izumi Ohzawa (izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu) wrote: > Wierd thing is that I can't seem to get it to work with Webster on > Black NS3.2. It seems to work only with Webster on NS/Intel with > NS3.2 (I don't know if it's in 3.1 NSI). This is not fair. Why > only NSI owners get the fun. Should I file a bug report? No, it works at my NSfNC 3.2 ... Ciao, Stephan -- trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de
From: doroin@cobber.cord.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.graphics Subject: cmsg cancel <2kn5b3$eip@cobber.cord.edu> Control: cancel <2kn5b3$eip@cobber.cord.edu> Date: 26 Feb 1994 09:45:06 -0600 Organization: Concordia College, Moorhead Minnesota Distribution: na Message-ID: <2knqq2$glc@cobber.cord.edu> <2kn5b3$eip@cobber.cord.edu> was cancelled from within trn. -- Jonathan A. Doroin doroin@cobber.cord.edu doroin@wonka.cord.edu (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: dwells@world.std.com (David Wells) Subject: Help! I'm a SLIP moron! Message-ID: <CLuDG3.D3z@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 17:19:14 GMT Just when I though I was getting the hang of this unix thing, I tried ti install SLIP on my 040 station running 3.0. I think I have most of the configuration done right, but I get messages like "port 190 unavailable" and "dev/dialup1 no such device". I'm not having any luck treing to glean what I need from the the docs, a reflection more of my own stupidity than the quality of the docs, I suspect. Does anyone have a way to set up one machine to a unix-based slip remote server? If you could point me to some other docs, that would be great to. I've been working all morning, and would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks in advance, Dave Wells
From: hadden@cobber.cord.edu (Paul) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Oops! Date: 26 Feb 1994 15:09:38 -0600 Organization: Concordia College, Moorhead Minnesota Distribution: na Message-ID: <2kodqi$jip@cobber.cord.edu> References: <2klnc7$22a@hamblin.math.byu.edu> In article <2klnc7$22a@hamblin.math.byu.edu>, Paul Marshall Cardon II <pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu> wrote: >Looks like I just found another NewsGrazer0.75 bug. It told me that it >couldn't send it because there was more included text than new text. As >you can see it was sending all of them anyway. It still gave me the error >when I got the ratio down. :-( That's weird. I get the exact same error message with trn and Pnews (compiled for SunOS 4?). It won't let me post if I do a followup with included text. However it has does this in only a few occasions so I don't know what the cause is. >Paul M. Cardon >NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager >Math Dept. - Brigham Young University >----------------------------------------------- > > DOS - The Ultimate Blivet me
From: spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Recent WP & Mathematica? Date: 26 Feb 1994 22:14:33 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2kohk9$474@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <bchin.762211046@news.andi.org> Bill Chin writes > >WordPerfect: Version 1.0.1 [June 10, 1993; FAT binary] > > Actually, the final version, Version 1.0.1 January 1994 is > available - I ordered mine from WP a week ago (I still don't > have it yet, though). The upgrade cost is $8. What are the improvements claimed for this final version? Is it worth upgrading? Ciao, Stefano --- Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University, Stanford CA 94305-6084 Tel 415-725-0939, Fax 415-725-7007 Email spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTWorld Expo Date: 26 Feb 1994 22:32:08 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2koil8$5hj@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <2kk14o$aei@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> In article <2kk14o$aei@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) writes: > David Green (s771966@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU) wrote: > : Has anybody else had trouble getting information out of DCI about this > : year's NeXTWORLD Expo?? > > : [...tale of woe...] > > : I really am quite interested in attending the Expo but without any > : advance information how the hell can I make travel and accomodation > : arrangements? > > : Quoting the "preferred customer code" doesn't seem to have worked > : either. > > I've only contacted them once, but have the same result. They took > all my info many days ago, including a fax number, and I have yet > to get anything. I hope it doesn't end up screwing me up too > badly; as an independent slob, I can't afford to splurge big-time > on travel and accomodations due to last minute arrangements. Last year, I received 20 copies of the earliest NeXTWORLD announced. I complained sending DCI all the address labels that I wanted them to purge. The following day, I received an additional 5, so I continued receiving 6 of everything until complaining again. This year, I received a single letter announcing the Expo date. Yesterday, DCI called me and asked me to preregister for "only" $795. I told DCI that I wouldn't register at all until I received details of the Expo to which the reply was that a preregistration packet had already been sent out. "Didn't you receive it?" "No." So I don't seem to be receiving much of anything this year :-( The deadline for preregistration is 8 March, so DCI wasn't certain that they would be able to mail me the preregistration packet before the deadline. I think NeXTWORLD may have one less attendee than at the previous 2 Expos. Last year, the $995 NS/FIP-registration bundle was a worthwhile package for me, but the prerelease version of Enterprise Objects just doesn't *feel* like much incentive. Can anyone motivate me to the contrary? --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anyone ported 'Edge' to NeXT? Message-ID: <104955@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 94 13:58:40 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <104384@cup.portal.com> <2kb802$ock@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> <104618@cup.portal.com> I wrote: >>>Has anyone ported the X program 'edge' to NeXT? [...] >I thought about this, but the code is written in a way that makes >this easy. ^^ That should be "is not" >Lee Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com > > and make NEXTSTEP a household ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have no clue how this got here, or what it's a fragment from Lee
From: info@absystems.com (Paradigm Shift, Inc.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Recent WP & Mathematica? Date: 26 Feb 1994 23:50:27 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kon83$jb0@inxs.concert.net> References: <2kohk9$474@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> In article <2kohk9$474@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Bill Chin writes > > >WordPerfect: Version 1.0.1 [June 10, 1993; FAT binary] > > > > Actually, the final version, Version 1.0.1 January 1994 is > > available - I ordered mine from WP a week ago (I still don't > > have it yet, though). The upgrade cost is $8. > > What are the improvements claimed for this final version? Is it > worth upgrading? > As I recall if was basically just maintenance, along with the European keyboarding mapping problems solved...still don't even think it'll read or write tables as 5.0 or 5.1 does. Dave -- Paradigm Shift, Inc. (919) 682-8553 [Voice] A NeXT Object Channel Member (919) 682-1126 [Fax] NeXTMail Welcomed (temporary domain) info@absystems.com
From: mdj2050@u.cc.utah.edu (Matthew D. Jonsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Salt Lake City User Groups?? Date: 26 Feb 1994 21:40:25 -0700 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Message-ID: <2kp87p$cjv@u.cc.utah.edu> I'm looking for NeXT User Groups in Salt Lake City. I'm at the U of U so any group there would be best. Thanks loads matt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) Subject: Re: Announcing Octave - a high-level language for numerical computations Message-ID: <1994Feb27.052421.7349@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> Organization: Little to None References: <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> <2kln5t$213@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 05:24:21 GMT In article <2kln5t$213@hamblin.math.byu.edu>, Paul Marshall Cardon II <pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu> wrote: >In article <1994Feb24.234700.20270@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> >kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: >> >What is Octave? >> >--------------- >> > >> >Octave is a high-level language, primarily intended for numerical >> >computations. It provides a convenient command line interface for >> >solving linear and nonlinear problems numerically. >> >> (Ahhhh, a good replacement for MMa (My, do I dislike Wolfram!)) > >It's a good replacement if you only do numerical computations. >Mathematica's primary focus is on symbolic computation. Big difference. >There are other options than Mathematica though and you'll probably have >to port Octave to get it to work. NeXTSTEP is not one of the environments >for which they provide binaries unless they just didn't mention it in the >press release. About MMa, I stand corrected. They did list NeXT as one of the platforms it ran on, but I'm having a helluva time compiling it. If anyone out there has met with success, please drop me a line. Could you mention some of those 'other options than Mathematica'? Especially if they're free... Thanks, Kurt
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Date: 27 Feb 1994 06:53:52 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kpg20$kcc@news.iastate.edu> References: <CLtoor.E4@manki.toppoint.de> Manfred Roehr writes []In article <2kape1$oj2@news.iastate.edu> tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom []Marchioro) writes: []> Dirk Balfanz writes []> []Granted, most of NS is more WYSIWYG than you'd see on other []systems. []>> []Why is it that DisplayPostScript cannot display PostScript? Or is []it me []> []who is missing some point here? [] []The thing with - "Why is it that DisplayPostScript cannot display []PostScript?" - is not only in TEX!!! Please look at any other []application, text displayed in 100%, the real most useful percentage!!, []and what you see is any other than WYSIWYG!! I would say, that just []about 30-40% of all words does not display the correct space between []letters, it looks like a wrong kerning!! In printing all is ok, but []while processing text its very confusing trieing often to delete a []space where no is!!! In 150% all looks ok! []This is a bug, and my wish, much more people observe it also and tell []it to NeXT. It is indeed a bug in the way NeXTstep puts font metrics on the screen. I have been told by people whose words I trust highly --- i.e., TGR (the great rokicki :) --- that it has been around since 0.8 days, has been reported many times (I know that TGR and I mentioned it to NeXT when we ran across the problems with Ohlfs corrupting the font cache) and is still not fixed, unless someone running 3.2 can tell us things are improved? TLM -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stimpy@toadstool.ann-arbor.mi.us (Gary L.) Subject: NS/FIP question about a 2nd IDE drive Message-ID: <CLvB1M.FsF@toadstool.ann-arbor.mi.us> Organization: toadstool, Ann Arbor, MI Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 05:24:57 GMT Hi. I already have NS/FIP v3.2 running on a 500 meg IDE drive. It has a DOS partition of 50 megs, and 450megs for NS/FIP. Now I am adding a 340meg IDE. I partitioned 100 megs for DOS and formated it, and did nothing with the other 240 megs. It boots ok, and I can access the DOS partition on the second drive. When I chec the consol to see if it is trying to mount the new unpartioned part that I want to initialize as NS, it trys, and the error message is that the 'devise s busy'. So, now I try to boot in single user mode, and was unable to because nowhere does any manual say how to do this with an IDE, all it talks about is SCSI drives, and I tried those commands and it didn't work. what I want to do is initialize the 240 megs remaining for NS. thanks in advance for the help. (the faq says nothing about this, I just looked) Gary Lalim (STiMPY) -- ============================================== stimpy@toadstool.ann-arbor.mi.us stimpy@mmg.im.med.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fredb@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu (Fred Biebesheimer) Subject: new user question Message-ID: <fredb.762379982@honeydew> Sender: news@henson.cc.wwu.edu (USENET-WWU) Organization: Western Washington University Date: 27 Feb 94 20:13:02 GMT Howdy, I've just recently installed NS/I, and so far I'm in love with it, but how do I change my background to display an image rather than the plain color background? Sorry if this is a stupid question, so go ahead and reply by email. thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: pcnfsd daemon? Message-ID: <CLt7EF.yu@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <kdickey.94.00106905@cmsa.gmr.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 02:11:02 GMT In article <kdickey.94.00106905@cmsa.gmr.com> kdickey@cmsa.gmr.com (Keith Dickey) writes: #Hello, # #Anyone know of a pcnfsd daemon for the Next? #Keith Dickey kdickey@cmsa.gmr.com #Advanced Computing Center, Electronic Data Systems Yep - "/usr/etc/rpc.pcnfsd" Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: emarshal@mason1.gmu.edu (Eric Marshall) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Are there limitations on the use of the academic bundle? Date: 23 Feb 1994 19:21:15 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <2kgabb$e1s@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: bob@hanszen.rice.edu (Robert Morrison Dana) Subject: Re: How do I print multiple pages per page? Message-ID: <CLuotK.4DF@rice.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Sender: news@rice.edu (News) Organization: Rice University References: <2k4i6c$mmu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 21:24:55 GMT Kurt D. Bollacker (kdb@pegasus) wrote: : I have a .ps document that has many pages and I want to print several pages : per piece of paper. If this were a .rtf file, I'd just use <command>-P in : "edit" to set "4-UP" for example. But how with .ps? Preview's Page : Layout doesn't work, and I can't think of a freebie application to do it. : Buying Tailor is *NOT* an acceptable solution since I don't actually need : to edit the file. Thanks for any help. Use "psnup". It is part of the Adobe Transcript package, which comes with NEXTSTEP. It should do exactly what you want. -Robert -- Robert Dana, bob@{rice.edu,worldcom.com} ...masquerading as a mild-mannered Comp Sci senior, Robert leads a secret double-life as a studly and daring UNIX System Admin for (plug) Worldcom, a fully connected network service provider for Lotus Notes users.
From: "Douglas A. Balog" <db6p+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/FIP and Dual-Processor boxes. Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 16:37:03 -0500 Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <shQF9zK0hXpIBLjmEX@andrew.cmu.edu> I was looking through the March BYTE, and they had a review of 3 Dual-Processor Systems, ALR ProVEISA DMP 4/66d, Compaq ProLiant 2000, and VTech Platinum SMP 486DX2/66 dual. I was wondering, are there any plans for NS/FIP to recognize a multiprocessor system and take advantage of it ? Thanks for any info, Doug
From: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: lipo availability Date: 28 Feb 1994 01:56:45 GMT Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Distribution: world Message-ID: <2krj0t$spj@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> I ran into a slight problem trying to get TransSys PNI Slip to work on my Next. I need either NS 3.1 or lipo to suck the 68000 kernel stuff out of the fat kernel. Would anyone out there be willing to send me lipo? I don't have the moolah to shell out for a version upgrade right now. ( I was told that lipo was available on 3.1 or >... ) -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Donald F. Bora | | | The Institute for the Learning Sciences | | O | Northwestern University | (--|--) Evanston, Ill | | e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Not NeXTMail) | / \ work: (708) 467-1014 | --------Be excellent to each other--------
From: kdb@pegasus (Kurt D. Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MouseX buttons Date: 28 Feb 1994 02:09:11 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2krjo7$miv@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I have mouseX running on my NSC, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to use the "middle" and "right" buttons that would be on a 3 button mouse. The NeXT left button functions as an X "left" button, but what are the other 2? I've tried mixing <COMMAND> <ALTERNATE> <SHIFT>, etc... to no avail. Anybody got suggestions. The documentation doesn't seem to say anything about it. Thanks for any help..... Kurt :-) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Kurt D. Bollacker University of Texas at Austin + + kdb@pine.ece.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8566, Austin, TX 78713 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Aquarium Backspace Module, DPMS, Time , Mouse Message-ID: <CLx7qA.9qt@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 06:08:34 GMT (1)Is there an Intel version of the Aquarium module for Backspace? Mine won't load... (2)Energy saving! Is there a DPMS screen saver for the NeXT ? Rather important I would think given the specs re energy saving, put out by institutions. (3) Why is my clock changing as I flip in and out of NS/Intel (into Windows)? (4) Are there any other mouse pointers available? It would be nice to have a choice. Thank's,... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Message-ID: <1994Feb28.114147.2011@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <2klpjt$1to@delphinium.cig.mot.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 11:41:47 GMT In article <2klpjt$1to@delphinium.cig.mot.com> skrbec@onyx9.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Skrbec) writes: > In article <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu > (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > > In article <1994Feb25.090615.3903@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> > schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem > > van Schaik) writes: > > >izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > > > > > >>Look up the word "gullible" in Webster. > > >>(It may not work if your system is not set up for ...). > > > > Wierd thing is that I can't seem to get it to work with Webster on > > Black NS3.2. It seems to work only with Webster on NS/Intel with > > NS3.2 (I don't know if it's in 3.1 NSI). This is not fair. Why > > only NSI owners get the fun. Should I file a bug report? > > > > Or perhaps, NeXT thinks that you are gullible if you are a kind of > > person who buys a 486 PC to run NEXTSTEP. Black hardware owners > > have good judgement and therefore not gullible. That makes sense. :-) > > Works just fine under 3.2 black for me. When I linked /LocalLibrary/Images/People/vhs.qb.rhein-main.de.tiff to /LocalLibrary/Images/People/vhs.tiff it worked. So it might get confused with subdomains. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Life is like an analogy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: charles@oneworld.wa.com Subject: Re: SoftPC on Intel (How good is it?) Message-ID: <1994Feb28.085750.2011@oneworld.wa.com> Organization: OneWorld Enterprises/OneWorld Computing Resources References: <CLEwo8.DD3@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 08:57:50 GMT Only worked with SoftPC for a couple of days but I'm not impressed... Philip McDunnough (philip@utstat.toronto.edu) wrote: : In article <2jvech$l1t@cisun2000.unil.ch> Sean.Hill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean L. Hill) writes: : >Had anyone been able to run the Windows version of S-Plus on SoftPC : >under nextstep? : : S+ is a very important program ( which existed for black NeXT's). It's uses : the 32bit mode of 386's and 486's and hence won't run under SoftPC. : : I doubt that software emmulation is the answer to very much. : : -- : Philip McDunnough : University of Toronto : philip@utstat.toronto.edu : [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Aquarium Backspace Module, DPMS, Time , Mouse Message-ID: <1994Feb28.125424.2314@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <CLx7qA.9qt@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 12:54:24 GMT In article <CLx7qA.9qt@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: [...] > Why is my clock changing as I flip in and out of NS/Intel (into Windows)? UNIXes base their idea of system time on Greenwich time plus/minus the proper time offset for the time zone you're in. So the hardware clock will run at GMT, while all time output functions will add or subtract the appropriate amount of time to adapt for your local time zone. I haven't tried it (don't have a PC) but the clock should stop changing once you set your time zone to GMT. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Life is like an analogy
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Problems of PS files from dvips Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc, comp.sys.next.software Date: 28 Feb 1994 15:05:49 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kt18d$isk@news.iastate.edu> References: <2kshof$kmd@rs18.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> frank Thomas writes []>On a related advocacy topic, the standard postscript previewer that ships []>with the operating system does a very poor job at displaying file that []>have been created with TeX. Tailor also have difficult with these types of []>files. Does anyone know of a product that can handle type III (???) []>postscript files? [] []The main problem is that dvips generates bitmap fonts for the characters for []resolution of the printer. That is why they look bad on the screen (In preview). []That is why I always use the `times' style. With this style only the math chars []use the normal TeX fonts. [] []I don't know why Tailor doesn't get these PS-files right. I'll echo the solution offered above. If you want to preview the output from TeX either use TeXview (itself one of the nicest TeX previewers around) or else make your bitmaps at some useful screen dpi, like 72, by typing in a shell dvips -D 72 foo -o to create the file foo.ps which contains 72 dpi bitmaps (of course, if you zoom on the PS document the fonts will look lousy). Another alternative is to get PS TeX fonts :) Work like a charm in all the NeXT applications. If I get a chance I will download the Tailor demo and see if the PS versions of the TeX fonts work with it. Could someone out there give me an idea of what I'm looking for?? Good tests to run, etc.? Follow-ups redirected to .software and .misc so they don't clutter up the OS2 versus NS jeremiad. Hope this is helpful --- Tom -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
From: hanssgen@iraul1.ira.uka.de (Stefan Haenssgen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmers Subject: Wanted: Structure Navigator Date: 28 Feb 1994 17:23:42 GMT Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG Sender: hanssgen@iraul1 (Stefan Haenssgen) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kt9au$oml@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi *, A friend of mine is looking for the source code of a navigator/browser for hierarchical structures, similar to the File Viewer. Esp. of interest are features like icon path and drag&drop capabilities. Please reply by Email to me (hanssgen@ira.uka.de) since I usually don't read this group (give me a NeXT and I might ;-) Many thanx in advance Stefan -- ,-----,------,--,--, Stefan Haenssgen, Comp Sci, Uni Karlsruhe, Germany / / / / / Email: haenssgen@ira.uka.de or haenssgen@acm.org / ---/-, ,-/ / / IRC: sth Phone: +49/721/593910 Fax: hoo nose / / / / / / Snail: Nuitsstr. 2c, D-76185 Karlsruhe, Germany /--- / / / / / / <I collect postcards from all over the world *hint* :> / / / / / / / "Use the SOURCE, Luke!" (Return of the RedEye Nights) '-----' '--' '--'--' "I feel a great disturbance in the SOURCE"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmh@info.polymtl.ca (Jean-Marc Heneman) Subject: lharc bin version for NSFIP Message-ID: <1994Feb28.155200.14357@vlsi.polymtl.ca> Keywords: LHARC Sender: news@vlsi.polymtl.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:52:00 GMT Where may I find a compiled version for NeXTSTEP 3.2 (Intel) of lharc? - jmh jean-marc heneman = jmh@info.polymtl.ca if mail bounces, try jmh@aircanada.ca I prefer ASCII mail for now, but you can send me NextMail for attachment __ / /_/ __/ / /
From: guest@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The "NeXTdimension Compendium" 1.0 is again available! Date: 28 Feb 1994 17:26:29 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kt9g5$99d@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: NeXT, ND, info While trolling through my mass of floppies left over from my recent reformatting debacle, i found my ND archive that hadn't been TAR'd and feathered. I am now making the "NeXTdimension Compendium" 1.0 available; I'll e-mail ASCII copies to those who requested it, and will try to upload it to an archive soon. I've been collecting more stuff in the menatime,, and hope to have v2.0 out in a month or two. Anyone who's as NeXTdemented as I am, please send me your tips, tricks, and tools for inclusion! Best regards, Steve Weintz EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop (217) 328-4803 serving the anthropological profession indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Problems with getting FrameMaker PS to print elsewhere Message-ID: <1994Feb28.165820.22276@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1994Feb25.185838.4056@cyantic.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:58:20 GMT In article <1994Feb25.185838.4056@cyantic.com> pavneet@cyantic.com (Pavneet Arora) writes: > >We have some artwork that we have produced under FrameMaker using the >Minion typeface. We saved to a PS file in the 'Print...' panel with the >'Normal device-independent...' option set. When we sent this PS file to >our print bureau, they can print the artwork, but all the Minion is >converted to Courier. From their description, it would appear that >character placement is being done using the Minion font metrics (the >characters are scrunched up), but the typeface is Courier. > >Does anyone have any experience with this type of set-up, or hints as >to possible areas to look into. > >advTHANKSance > >-- >Cheers, > - pavneet >................................................................. >Pavneet Arora -- pavneet@cyantic.com ------------ CYANTIC Systems Try this: * Find out what kind of output device they use * Create a dummy printer using that device's ppd using PrintManager.app. * Save your PS file using the 'chosen printer/include fonts' option. I believe you will have greater success using this method. Good luck! -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: Charlesa@learned.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Getting .SND up to volume... Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 19:07:23 BST Organization: EUnet GB Message-ID: <2ktfl7$m74@marble.Britain.EU.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi - I've got some ITR files which I've just renamed as .SND files. They play just fine, except that the volume is a little low, even when maxed out in preferences.app Does anybdy know of a way to run these files through sndconvert, to get Them to play any louder? Just wondering... C. charlesa@learned.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric) Subject: 3.2 vs. 3.0 on BLACK Message-ID: <CLy3Iq.3qI@bldrdoc.gov> Sender: news@bldrdoc.gov Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:35:14 GMT I have a lone NeXT (turbo color, adb) in a hetero net (hpux, sun) and I'm interested in *WHY* I should upgrade to 3.2 from 3.0. The upgrade isn't cheap ($700) so I have to justify it somehow... Eric -- Eric S. Boltz My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mod1coop@bcars7ce (Allan Silburt) Subject: Sounds for system events Sender: news@bcarh54a.bnr.ca (ZOONEWS News) Message-ID: <1994Feb28.185742.23818@bcarh54a.bnr.ca> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 18:57:42 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada After wasting much time and internet bandwidth, I've decided to throw this request out to the news-reading masses and see what comes back. A friend of mine read about some application for NeXT machines which lets you add sounds to various system events, such as login, logout, disk insert, disk eject, etc. I've been hunting around on the archives, but haven't come up with anything yet. Does anyone know what this application is called and where I might find it? Bunches of thanks in advance... __(__) Moo? (__)__ | I don't speak for Bell-Northern Research ( oo / oo ) | =================================================== /\_| / |_/\ | Dennis Pejcha, Undergrad, Computer Science Moo! | dpejcha@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca "Cow-Moo-nication" | mod1coop@bnr.ca <== only valid 'til 29 Apr 94
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Message-ID: <1994Feb28.201125.27701@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2kpg20$kcc@news.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 20:11:25 GMT Tom Marchioro writes > Manfred Roehr writes > []The thing with - "Why is it that DisplayPostScript cannot display > []PostScript?" - is not only in TEX!!! Please look at any other > []application, text displayed in 100%, the real most useful percentage!!, > []and what you see is any other than WYSIWYG!! I would say, that just > []about 30-40% of all words does not display the correct space between > []letters, it looks like a wrong kerning!! In printing all is ok, but > []while processing text its very confusing trieing often to delete a > []space where no is!!! In 150% all looks ok! > []This is a bug, and my wish, much more people observe it also and tell > []it to NeXT. > It is indeed a bug in the way NeXTstep puts font metrics on the > screen. I have been told by people whose words I trust highly > --- i.e., TGR (the great rokicki :) --- that it has been around > since 0.8 days, has been reported many times (I know that TGR > and I mentioned it to NeXT when we ran across the problems with > Ohlfs corrupting the font cache) and is still not fixed, unless > someone running 3.2 can tell us things are improved? If I understand what you are complaining about (uneven metrics across the screen), then it is not a bug, but a mis-understanding in what the term WYSIWYG really means - in combination with the pitifully low (~100dpi) resolutions of today's monitors. On other machines that don't attempt to do true WYSIWYG to the screen (Mac, Windows), font metrics are all given in integer values. This has the effect of making the characters seem very evenly spaced across the page. Most of the time, they also use tuned bitmaps to display the characters. Note that this can have serious effects on the correctness of the display, which are often cleverly hidden (but not typographically correct) when printing. Under Display PostScript, by default, font metrics are real numbers. What then happens is that when a character is to be placed, the current point (a pair of real numbers) is rounded to the nearest device coordinate. The real width of the character is then added to the current point. The visual effect of this is that characters will seem to change how far apoart they are across a line. Because the pixels on the screen are so huge, this is very obvious and not very pretty. So in reality, Display PostScript is being *more* accurate, *more* WYSIWYG. It just turns out that complete WYSIWYG isn't necessarily what people want in this case. (Note that at 200dpi and above, pixels are small enough such that the amount of this effect seems to go below some "noticable" threshold.) What *should* happen (on <100dpi displays) is that within a word, integer metrics should be used. But the beginning of each word should be calculated based on the real metrics, allowing the spaces between words to make up the error (note that line breaks are still decided on by using the real metrics). This can't *really* happen in the interpreter, because the interpreter doesn't really know if two letters belong to the same word, unless they are in the same "show" call. This is actually fairly easy for an application to implement, though, as the application knows what is and isn't a word. It's easy to create a copy of a font with integerized metrics, and then read those metrics back, keep track of the error, etc. It's not trivial, however. Given all this, there is a potential hack that could be done, and I'd be interested in people's reactions. There could be an extra setting ("setplaceadjust" or something?) that would, within a single show, perform the integerization of the character widths as described above. That is, characters within a single word would be placed according to integerized metrics, but word placement (and the final current point) would be placed according to the real metrics. Note that an application that did single character shows, or did an xyshow, would not show any improvement. There will also be pathological cases (such as a monospace font whose character widths are all very close to a .5 value) where this could make things worse. Also note that we won't have to live with poor displays for much longer (2 years? The Xerox PARC flat-panel display is 300dpi, but I don't know how long till commercialization is possible). -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: princeton.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: lxl@cbnewse.cb.att.com (lian.lin) Subject: What Kind of MIDI Interface Should I Get? Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 20:29:10 GMT Message-ID: <CLyBKs.JLD@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Keywords: midi Hi, I'm trying to find a MIDI interface that I can use for my NextStation. Can anyone recommend a product for this purpose? I tried to use the two MAC MIDI interface boxes with the NeXT and they both failed to work. The likely cause is that the serial port of NeXT is not a RS232 interface. But I'd like to know which MIDI box in the market I can purchase to get my MIDI connection to work on my NeXT. Thanks in advance for the help. Lian Lin 708-713-1289 .
From: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) THIS AIN'T NO GOOD NO MORE! Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting .SND up to volume... Date: 28 Feb 1994 21:11:36 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ktmm8$3jb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2ktfl7$m74@marble.Britain.EU.net> In article <2ktfl7$m74@marble.Britain.EU.net> Charlesa@learned.co.uk writes: > > Hi - > > I've got some ITR files which I've just renamed as .SND files. They play just > fine, except that the volume is a little low, even when maxed out in > preferences.app Does anybdy know of a way to run these files through > sndconvert, to get Them to play any louder? Just wondering... > > C. > charlesa@learned.co.uk I've gotten really used to the Pinnacle Research Inspectors. The Sound Inspector allows you to convert, comnpress, normalize and do other things, right from the Workspace maager Inspector panel. PRI sells 'em as a 3-pack, including an image inspector and a compressed files inspector. Cheers, Steve Weintz EthnoGraphics indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Date: 28 Feb 1994 21:42:46 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ktogm$a95@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1994Feb28.201125.27701@adobe.com> In article <1994Feb28.201125.27701@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: >So in reality, Display PostScript is being *more* accurate, *more* >WYSIWYG. It just turns out that complete WYSIWYG isn't necessarily >what people want in this case. > >What *should* happen (on <100dpi displays) is that within a word, >integer metrics should be used. But the beginning of each word >should be calculated based on the real metrics, allowing the spaces >between words to make up the error (note that line breaks are still >decided on by using the real metrics). This sound like a good idea. However, my concern is the side-effects of errors accumulated into spaces between words. Even now, it is often very hard to determine visually whether there is a space between words when I scan text for possible mistyping (dropped spaces in this case). I often have to resort to deleting the space to see if there really is a space there. Or I find myself stepping through the section with arrow keys. Wouldn't the hack above ("setplaceadjust" as you note) make this problem even worse? -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 28 Feb 1994 01:34:54 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2ks3ae$71j@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Message-ID: <1994Feb28.212532.8186@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <1994Feb28.201125.27701@adobe.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 21:25:32 GMT In article <1994Feb28.201125.27701@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: > Tom Marchioro writes > > Manfred Roehr writes > [deletia] > worse. Also note that we won't have to live with poor displays for > much longer (2 years? The Xerox PARC flat-panel display is 300dpi, > but I don't know how long till commercialization is possible). Just invite Steve Jobs to see it and that should commercialize it! Hey, it worked for the Xerox Star -> Macintosh... > -- > Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com > Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and > 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect > Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- - Drew -- +--------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson - Software Guy | "When I'm a good dog they sometimes | | First National Bank of Chicago | throw me a bone..." | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | - Pink Floyd | +--------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
From: jason_fosback@psca.com (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Doom WAD file Date: 28 Feb 1994 22:36:00 GMT Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <2ktrkg$dn2@ftp-p.mccaw.com> References: <2kj8qm$rbt@gateway.wiltel.com> In article <2kj8qm$rbt@gateway.wiltel.com> sromine@nxtul88.wiltel.com (Scott Romine) writes: > Has anyone got the doom.wad files from the registered DOS version to > successfully run on the NeXT version. I keep receiving a > 'W_GetNumForName: STBAR not found!' error. This is because your wad file is from the DOS 1.1 version of Doom. You can get the patch on wuarchive.wustl.edu in /pub/msdos_uploads/games/doomstuff or /pub/msdos_uploads/games/DOOM (I don't remember which). The patch file is called dm12rpt.zip. Be careful, because there are two patch files; one is for the shareware version, and the other is for the registered version (s vs. r in dm12[sr]pt.zip). All this is from memory, so don't quote me! -jason ____________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, Systems Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it --- Paradigm Systems Corp --- | -R&S Internet: jason.fosback@psca.com | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jason.fosback@psca.com | The NeXT Generation...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mjh@kronecker.mit.edu (Michael J. Hopkins) Subject: Emacs 19.xx Message-ID: <1994Feb28.123243.8041@galois.mit.edu> Sender: mjh@math.mit.edu (Michael J. Hopkins) Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 12:32:43 GMT Can anyone tell me anything about emacs 19.xx versions that have been compiled for NEXTEP (black)? Whenever I try and install one of the ones I find at the archive I get a segmentation fault. Maybe someone can tell me how to use the .patches files to compile the thing myself. Thanks Mike -- ----------------------------------- Mike Hopkins mjh@math.mit.edu -----------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Message-ID: <1994Mar1.004027.12750@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2ktogm$a95@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 00:40:27 GMT Izumi Ohzawa writes > This sound like a good idea. However, my concern is the side-effects > of errors accumulated into spaces between words. Even now, it > is often very hard to determine visually whether there is a space > between words when I scan text for possible mistyping (dropped > spaces in this case). I often have to resort to deleting the > space to see if there really is a space there. Or I find myself > stepping through the section with arrow keys. > Wouldn't the hack above ("setplaceadjust" as you note) make this > problem even worse? Since there simply aren't enough pixels on the display to do what we want to, there's going to be a compromise somehow. If you simply rounded the real width of each character in order to do the word placement, then "on average" (for some engineers definition of on average) the spaces between words would not change - half of them would get bigger, and half would get smaller. However, spaces between characters would get consistent, and at least a little bit of the guesswork about what is and isn't a space would be removed. The algorithm for character spacing could also be tweaked slightly, so that more of the character widths would round down. This would improve the likelyhood of a space looking like a space, but the more you round down, the more likely you would get character collisions. While characters should never end up overlapping - even if simply truncating the real width - words could become quite crowded, with characters potentially touching. Personally, I'd rather put up with it for now, and be glad that when 300dpi displays come out, my favorite operating environment will deal with the increased resolution elegantly and effectively. :-) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vfr750@netcom.com (Will Hartung) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Message-ID: <vfr750CLys8r.KvL@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2kpg20$kcc@news.iastate.edu> <1994Feb28.201125.27701@adobe.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 02:29:13 GMT Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: >Under Display PostScript, by default, font metrics are real numbers. >What then happens is that when a character is to be placed, the >current point (a pair of real numbers) is rounded to the nearest >device coordinate. The real width of the character is then added >to the current point. The visual effect of this is that characters >will seem to change how far apoart they are across a line. Because >the pixels on the screen are so huge, this is very obvious and not >very pretty. > [chomp] >Given all this, there is a potential hack that could be done, and >I'd be interested in people's reactions. There could be an extra >setting ("setplaceadjust" or something?) that would, within a single >show, perform the integerization of the character widths as described >above. That is, characters within a single word would be placed >according to integerized metrics, but word placement (and the final >current point) would be placed according to the real metrics. Note >that an application that did single character shows, or did an >xyshow, would not show any improvement. There will also be >pathological cases (such as a monospace font whose character widths >are all very close to a .5 value) where this could make things >worse. Also note that we won't have to live with poor displays for >much longer (2 years? The Xerox PARC flat-panel display is 300dpi, >but I don't know how long till commercialization is possible). I can appreciate where this is coming from, as sometimes the words look just a lil' bit funny. (I think 'm's are a popular culprit). But if you're going to do this integerization, I think you have to be doing it all the time, particularly with word widths. Maybe this doesn't become a problem once printed, but "word" width becomes important when doing word wrap calculation, etc. When words end up on the fringe of the margin, a 72dpi placement may result in a wrap, whereas a 300dpi placement will not wrap. Thankfully this isn't normally a problem because our imaging model is consistent. But if we start processing text so that it "looks good" on the screen, it may NOT look good on paper (specfically, lining up with margins etc). And if we have to make concessions for placement if "it's on the screen" compared to if it's being printed, then we end up at the wrap problem again. The idea, though, is that whatever is done, should be consistent for both the screen and the printer. Otherwise we're back to a screen model and a print model, and that kind of blows a major gain from the Display PostScript. -- Will Hartung - Hermosa Beach, Lower Left Coast. vfr750@netcom.com 1990 VFR750 - VFR=Very Red "Ho, HaHa, Dodge, Parry, Spin, HA! THRUST!" 1993 Explorer - Cage? Hell, it's a prison. -D. Duck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Message-ID: <CLyt6F.Czn@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 02:49:27 GMT For people with a VL bus there is a standard for powering down a monitor which is compliant. That standard is called DPMS. Why on earth is noone interested in supporting this from within NEXTSTEP? It would be a shame if NEXTSTEP were banned from use because it refused to attract people who were concerned. Wonder why we have a recycling bin? Perhaps it should be a picture of the Great Lakes. The energy issue is important, and out of 4 postings on this topic I have received exactly one response. The issue of energy saving on computer platforms is not a trivial one, and it would be more important to get a DPMS driver out than many other things. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ISO Doom player. Date: 1 Mar 1994 02:28:25 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Message-ID: <2ku989$t5r@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> I want to try Doom over the net. Unfortunately, there is exactly 1 enthusiastic NeXT user at Dartmouth College (me). Anyone interested? Beep me at fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu. I don't play often, but would at least be interested in trying it out. NeXTMail welcome. Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@worf.acs.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Message-ID: <1994Mar01.070924.108009@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: /usr/spool/news/organization References: <2kpg20$kcc@news.iastate.edu> <1994Feb28.201125.27701@adobe.com> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 1994 07:09:24 GMT In article <1994Feb28.201125.27701@adobe.com>, Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> wrote: >worse. Also note that we won't have to live with poor displays for >much longer (2 years? The Xerox PARC flat-panel display is 300dpi, >but I don't know how long till commercialization is possible). > >-- >Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com >Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and >1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect >Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. >--------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this the flatpanel pictured in the Wired article on PARC?!? Do you know what technology they are using? It appreared to be clear so I guess we can rule out LCD. I've been dreaming about that monitor ever since I saw it:) But with 300dpi, can you say holy memory batman! -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: Lucas.Filz@serv.univie.ac.at (Lukas Filz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Scanner HPIIcx and image apps Date: 1 Mar 1994 09:54:30 GMT Organization: Institute for bio-engineering Sender: michael@rs2.iaee.tuwien.ac.at () Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kv3cm$kaq@email.tuwien.ac.at> I am interested in purchasing a HPIIcx or another good, fast scanner. My main application would be scanning of images and processing them. I am looking for an image manipulation app that supports me in extracting objects within TIFF-files. It should be able to automatically find all pixels that represent the background of an object (e.g. by selecting a color range or by approximating the outline of the object with the mouse or something more intelligent) and set those pixels alpha channel. So the result of this procedure should be a minimum sized TIFF-file with only the objects pixels left opaque, the remaining background pixels set to 100% transparency. Which image app directly supports scanning (e.g. with the HPIIcx) and the process I mentioned above in a very comfortable way? Thank you, Lucas.Filz@serv.univie.ac.at
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: schwett@netcom.com (Mark Schwettmann) Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Message-ID: <schwettCLzIsK.MvF@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <CLyt6F.Czn@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 12:02:44 GMT >the energy issue is important... I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one; it is ridiculous that the NeXT video drivers do not support DPMS features - they are easy and quick to impleimplement, and the energy savings are substantial. What is worse, perhaps, is that my green PC's energy saving mode, which pspins down the hard disk and cycles the CPU and RAM down to 8mhz seems to give NeXTStep a kernel panic every once in a while, so I had to disable the feature. Perhaps the Recycler should be a landfill, or maybe an incinerator! Mark SchwetmMark Schwettmann
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Subject: Re: lharc bin version for NSFIP Message-ID: <1994Mar1.141557.649@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany References: <1994Feb28.155200.14357@vlsi.polymtl.ca> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 94 14:15:57 GMT Jean-Marc Heneman (jmh@info.polymtl.ca) wrote: : Where may I find a compiled version for NeXTSTEP 3.2 (Intel) of lharc? I've just put a FAT binary of LHa for Unix to ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de. It should soon appear in next/Unix/archivers as lha101u.NI.b.gz. In Tools/archiver/apps/Opener.3.1.1.NI.b.tar.gz, you'll also find a FAT binary of lharc. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Recording from CD Date: 01 Mar 1994 14:26:00 GMT Organization: I speak for myself Distribution: world Message-ID: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Mar1142602@shrug.dur.ac.uk> This must be a FAQ by now but: I would like to record some sound samples from my portable cd player or my cdrom drive onto my NeXT -- however, I don't want to use the microphone because there is a lot of background noise (fans, etc) that I can't control. Soooo, I thought a patch cable from the headphone port of the portable player to the mic port would do it -- nope, even with the minimum output level on the cd the recording level is way to high. I heard a rumour that there is some sort of sound recording app which has the ability to control for this? Or is there some other hint that someone could pass along? Many thanks. Scott -- GSS d-- -p+ c++++ !l u++ e+++@ m++(*) s+/+@ n+ h-- f+@(?) g+ w+++ t++ r- y** EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk WWW: http://shrug.org/pages/scott/scottm.html "In another novel, I *am* you"
From: ramesh@cs.mcgill.ca (Ramesh SOMALINGAM) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Apple Laserwriter Pro 630 Date: 1 Mar 1994 14:14:39 GMT Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kvikf$cqp@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> We have a Apple Laserwriter Pro 630 on our network and I'm trying to add it to netinfo, but I'm unable to find the Printer description file for this model, does anyone know where I can get the relevant 'ppd' file? Thanks in advance. -- Ramesh Somalingam School of Computer Science Email: ramesh@cs.mcgill.ca McGill University Tel : (514) 398-5923 Montreal, Canada
From: armes@pioneer.tds.com (Jim Armes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Names of planets from ST:The Next Generation Date: 1 Mar 1994 04:31:28 GMT Organization: Trident Data Systems Distribution: world Message-ID: <2kugf0$f82@discovery.ectds.com> References: <2ke7bq$b8@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> In article <2ke7bq$b8@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes: > In article <scratch.761873752@arcturus.sce.carleton.ca> scratch@sce.carleton.ca > (Craig Scratchley) writes: %Zap% > to check spelling... > And please don't call your machine "theborg", I hope I was/am the only one with Borgs are for servers Only! We had a customer development Pyramid named 'theborg', with the production system called 'superborg' and its mail sibling 'miniborg'. You might call it a borg-armada. -- #--------------------------------------------------------# # Jim Armes | I've got a Pentium and you do not # # Matrix-Man | nahh nahh nah nah nahhhh... # # | # #Trident Data Systems| but IiiiiM a lumberjack and I'm ok# # armes@tds.com |I sleep all night & I work all day.#
From: elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sounds for system events Date: 1 Mar 1994 11:03:30 -0600 Organization: Proxima, Inc. Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403011540.AA02343@proxima.com> In article <1994Feb28.185742.23818@bcarh54a.bnr.ca> you wrote: > A friend of mine read about some application for NeXT machines > which lets you add sounds to various system events, such as > login, logout, disk insert, disk eject, etc. I've been hunting > around on the archives, but haven't come up with anything yet. I wrote something like this - not sure if I kept it around. I might be able to find it if enough demand exists. -- Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) 506.1661 Systems Engineer McLean, VA elitman+@proxima.com echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc
From: Charlesa@learned.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS 3.2/I and putenv() Date: Tue, 01 Mar 94 17:32:19 BST Organization: EUnet GB Message-ID: <2kvube$pgg@marble.Britain.EU.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi - I'm trying to run make on a makefile, and it keeps telling me the following: ld: Undefined symbols: _putenv *** Exit 1 Stop. *** Exit 1 Stop. How can I get NS3.2 for Intel to accept the putenv() call? Thought are very appreciated. Charles charlesa@learned.co.uk
From: Charlesa@learned.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Backspace bug? Date: Tue, 01 Mar 94 17:35:08 BST Organization: EUnet GB Message-ID: <2kvue7$pgg@marble.Britain.EU.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can't get the BackSpace modules to complie correctly with 3.2. The make install keeps looking for a file which doesn't exist. Anybody else run into this? Charles
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Names of planets from ST:The Next Generation Message-ID: <1994Mar1.150424.864@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <2kugf0$f82@discovery.ectds.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 94 15:04:24 GMT In article <2kugf0$f82@discovery.ectds.com> armes@pioneer.tds.com (Jim Armes) writes: > In article <2ke7bq$b8@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> > annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes: > > In article <scratch.761873752@arcturus.sce.carleton.ca> > scratch@sce.carleton.ca > > (Craig Scratchley) writes: > %Zap% > > to check spelling... > > And please don't call your machine "theborg", I hope I was/am the only > one with > > Borgs are for servers Only! > > We had a customer development Pyramid named 'theborg', with the production > system called 'superborg' and its mail sibling 'miniborg'. > > You might call it a borg-armada. Or, perhaps, a smorgas-borg? > -- > #--------------------------------------------------------# > # Jim Armes | I've got a Pentium and you do not # > # Matrix-Man | nahh nahh nah nah nahhhh... # > # | # > #Trident Data Systems| but IiiiiM a lumberjack and I'm ok# > # armes@tds.com |I sleep all night & I work all day.# -- +--------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson - Software Guy | "When I'm a good dog they sometimes | | First National Bank of Chicago | throw me a bone..." | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | - Pink Floyd | +--------------------------------+---------------------------------------+
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Names of planets from ST:The Next Generation Date: 1 Mar 1994 18:15:56 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <2l00os$943@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <2kugf0$f82@discovery.ectds.com> <1994Mar1.150424.864@fnbc.com> Drew@fnbc.com wrote... >In article <2kugf0$f82@discovery.ectds.com> armes@pioneer.tds.com (Jim Armes) >writes: >> In article <2ke7bq$b8@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> >> annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes: >> > In article <scratch.761873752@arcturus.sce.carleton.ca> >> scratch@sce.carleton.ca >> > (Craig Scratchley) writes: >> > >> > And please don't call your machine "theborg", I hope I was/am the only >> one with >> >> We had a customer development Pyramid named 'theborg', with the production >> system called 'superborg' and its mail sibling 'miniborg'. >> >> You might call it a borg-armada. > >Or, perhaps, a smorgas-borg? Oh, please no!!!! This thread went for WEEKS, maybe even MONTHS, on rec.arts.startrek.* a while back. It wouldn't die. It just got lamer and lamer. Don't get me wrong. I like Trek a lot. But the borg puns are just wearing a *little* thin :-) Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail? We can do NeXTMail!!! | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't draw flow charts. The code `---- | speaks for itself.
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Date: 1 Mar 1994 13:18:54 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403011920.AA01187@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Xref: news.shef.ac.uk comp.sys.next.misc:32600 comp.sys.next.software:10130 comp.sys.next.advocacy:15171 > The energy issue is important, and out of 4 postings on > this topic I have received exactly one response. The > issue of energy saving on computer platforms is not a > trivial one, and it would be more important to get a DPMS > driver out than many other things. > I don't recall seeing any of the others. :-( I share your views here (I was Energy Coordinator for our Local Friends of the Earth Group in Sheffield a couple of years ago), and I'm sure a number of others do (cf, for example, the commentary in Ann Weintz's book "Writing NeXT programs). Unfortunately the "drivers" issue is one which seems set to plague NeXT for a while. This is something people should probably "beat up" on them about. I hear rumours that there are a number of drivers available from third-parties but which NeXT is unwilling to pay for, despite the fact that hardware vendors have been promised them, are champing at the bit for them, and may be losing a *lot* of sales as a result of their absence (this leads to lost NEXTSTEP sales too...) Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: What Kind of MIDI Interface Should I Get? Message-ID: <CLyvI0.yr@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <CLyBKs.JLD@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 03:39:35 GMT In article <CLyBKs.JLD@cbnewse.cb.att.com> lxl@cbnewse.cb.att.com (lian.lin) writes: #Hi, # #I'm trying to find a MIDI interface that I can use for my NextStation. #Can anyone recommend a product for this purpose? I tried to use the #two MAC MIDI interface boxes with the NeXT and they both failed to work. #The likely cause is that the serial port of NeXT is not a RS232 #interface. But I'd like to know which MIDI box in the market I can #purchase to get my MIDI connection to work on my NeXT. # Actually they probably failed due to not having the proper cable. I currently use a MidiTranslator on my '040 cube. I don't have the pinout anymore but I'm sure someone out there has it. I posted it several times. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: marsano@odi.com (Derek Marsano) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: For Sale: NeXTstation Date: 1 Mar 1994 15:07:27 -0500 Organization: Object Design Inc., Burlington, MA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2l079vINNop8@kayak.odi.com> NeXTstation FOR SALE (San Francisco Bay Area) * 68040 processor running at 25 mHz (15 mips) * 8 megabytes RAM * 200 megabyte hard disk * 3.5" floppy disk drive * NeXTstep 2.1 operating system * 17" megapixel monochrome display 1120x832 (2 bits/pixel) * keyboard, mouse * NeXT 400 dpi laser printer * Lotus Improv * Soft PC * Complete NeXT documentation * NeXT World magazine library * NeXT Bible Purchased new in April 1991 BEST OFFER. I'm posting this for a friend, so please reply to him directly. If you respond via email, please include your telephone number. Seller: David Hansmann (415) 899-2567 days (415) 922-8746 evenings
From: stoleson@crazyhorse.rchland.ibm.com (David Stoleson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Aquarium Backspace Module, DPMS, Time , Mouse Date: 1 Mar 1994 22:55:24 GMT Organization: IBM Rochester MN Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l0h4s$1uqe@locutus.rchland.ibm.com> References: <CLx7qA.9qt@utstat.toronto.edu> |> (3) Why is my clock changing as I flip in and out of NS/Intel (into Windows)? |> NEXTSTEP adjusts the clock to Greenwich Mean Time, then calculates the offset based on the time zone you pick in Preferences. Thus, when you boot into Windows, you are off by (GMT - yourTimeZone) hours. |> |> -- |> Philip McDunnough |> University of Toronto |> philip@utstat.toronto.edu |> [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.2/I and putenv() Date: 1 Mar 1994 21:26:39 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2l0buf$1jo@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2kvube$pgg@marble.britain.eu.net> Charlesa@learned.co.uk wrote in comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc > >Hi - > >I'm trying to run make on a makefile, and it keeps telling me the following: > >ld: Undefined symbols: >_putenv >*** Exit 1 >Stop. >*** Exit 1 >Stop. > > >How can I get NS3.2 for Intel to accept the putenv() call? Thought are very >appreciated. > >Charles >charlesa@learned.co.uk What a shame we didn't get to see what he was compiling. Well here we go again with another putenv flame ware. Mr EPS please step forward, wait for it wait for it :-) To the poster, if nobody sends you a putenv then get in touch. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Other SLIP/PPP implementations? Date: 2 Mar 1994 00:25:01 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2l0mct$2ba@steffi.demon.co.uk> What other SLIP/PPP implementations exist besides dialupip? How good is the commercial PPP software? Price? Is there any PD PPP software that actually works? -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: kenw@well.sf.ca.us (Kenneth A. Worthy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Date: 2 Mar 1994 00:36:42 GMT Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Message-ID: <2l0n2q$gp0@nkosi.well.com> References: <9403011920.AA01187@dcs.shef.ac.uk> I'm interested in saving energy and would like to receive any pointers about power-saving screen savers, etc. By the way, does anyone know how many Watts an '040 cube with 660 Mb disk and BW monitor takes when it's basically just sitting around idle (with screen blackened)? Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Re: How Create DOS partition after NS? Message-ID: <1994Mar2.020212.9522@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2kl01i$3hj@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 02:02:12 GMT In article <2kl01i$3hj@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: >I have no knowledge of DOS, hd partitioning, >or much besides NS use. > >Can I create a DOS partition *after* NS have >been installed on my disk? At present there >is only NS, and no partition. How could I >do this assuming it's possible, and how >then install DOS, Win, etc? I'm assuming you are talking about NS/FIP. Unless space was reserved for a DOS partition at the time that NS was installed, you're pretty much out of luck. To find out, boot DOS from a floppy disk, and use the FDISK program to inspect the current partitioning (option 4 I believe). If all of the space is taken up by NEXTSTEP ("?" will be in the format column), there's no place to put DOS. Make sure you exit FDISK without changing anything, or you will certainly lose data! If there's no space, you have two options: 1) Try out the SoftPC demo. It may be adequate for your DOS/Windows needs. You can create "hard disk files" in NEXTSTEP which simulate DOS disks. The demo is good for 30 days after the first time you use it. 2) Reinstall NEXTSTEP/FIP. You should have a competent system administrator do this. Don't try it yourself if you don't know what you are doing. You'll have to back up all of your local data before doing this, since repartitioning wipes the disk. There are other more exotic/complicated alternatives (such as *adding* a second disk drive), but there's no simple solution. Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: dwells@world.std.com (David Wells) Subject: Help! Routing info for slip? Message-ID: <CM0Mv2.Lu2@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 02:28:13 GMT Hi all, I'm hoping this works...'vi' hates me... Anyway, I'm trying to connect my NeXT/unix box to the net via tiac via slip. I'm able to get connectied and use ping and finger, but the interactive utilities like ftp and telnet don't work after the 'connected to foo.bar.edu' message. Lynn at tiac thinks this is a routing problem, and I'm inclined to agr ee with her from what little I know about networking. Problem is, I don't know how to fix this. If anyone has suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks in advance. Peace, Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Message-ID: <CM10nx.G0q@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <9403011920.AA01187@dcs.shef.ac.uk> <2l0n2q$gp0@nkosi.well.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 07:26:21 GMT In article <2l0n2q$gp0@nkosi.well.com> kenw@well.sf.ca.us (Kenneth A. Worthy) writes: >I'm interested in saving energy and would like to receive any pointers about >power-saving screen savers, etc. > >By the way, does anyone know how many Watts an '040 cube with 660 Mb disk and >BW monitor takes when it's basically just sitting around idle (with screen >blackened)? The monitor alone is over 100watts! The screensaver makes no difference. With newer monitors, the monitor will go into a suspend mode which may use around 10watts or so. One standard is DPMS, which is supported by the VESA group. In particular, the ATI Ultra Pro provides support for this in Windows and any NS developer can contact ATI to get information on how to implement this in NS, for example. It's apparently not hard. Your Cube is probably drawing 2->3 amps (around 200+ watts). It's costing you, and contibuting to pollution in a significant way. There are switches to turn off computers at certain times, but I don't think these work well with Unix. The easiest thing would be to find a way to turn the monitor off (which is not really advisable on the Cube). -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: sutharo@emunix.emich.edu (Sumnuk Sutharoskajornchai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Unix commands: CUT and PASTE Date: 2 Mar 1994 04:07:46 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403021009.AA17855@emunix.emich.edu> Does anyone know where can I get Unix commands: cut and paste for NeXTSTEP for Intel? Thanks in Advance --------- Somnuk email: sutharo@emunix.emich.edu
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TransSys-PNI-1.7-beta.tar.gz questions. Date: 2 Mar 1994 13:23:55 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2l241b$19n@steffi.demon.co.uk> Well I've managed to get this working under NS3.1 Surprisingly simple. However I have the following concerns. 1. In this release are _you_ able to control when the link is brought up? Currently, "pnistat -c down" will bring the connection down but the connection is brought up under the following conditions. 1. automatically at boot from pnirun 2. periodically once the demon is installed, it persists in attempting to make a connection (regardless if packets are sent or not because Dial On Demand isn't implemented yet) When this happens I get this on the console. /dev/pni0 is unused and then it immediately attempts to bring up the connection. I suspect that this has something to do with it. pnid.tcl # start off the periodic polling function periodic_poll init.tcl proc periodic_poll { } { static firsttime global startTime encapList foreach encap $encapList { if [known ${encap}_poll] { ${encap}_poll $encap } } set curtime [getclock] set uptime [expr $curtime-$startTime] set rusage [getrusage] syslog LOG_INFO "Uptime is [ptime $uptime] (since [strftime -utc $startTime] UTC)" syslog LOG_DEBUG "[info cmdcount] TCL commands executed, [lindex $rusage 0] user, [lindex $rusage 1] system" if { [info exists firsttime]==0 } { schedule 120 {periodic_poll} set firsttime 1 } else { schedule 3600 {periodic_poll} } } It would appear to me that things have changed a little since dialupip. ie. there's no "daemon" per se that act's on commands. Rather pnirun is used to bring up the connection, which is conditionally based on what you configure in the TCL initialization scripts. One solution I guess is to kill the pnirun after the link is brought down and only have periodicpoll bring the connection up when pnirun is booted. If this is the case then it would be nice if the pid was written to /etc/pni/pnirun.pid. Yes, I can take care of that myself. Is that now that scheme we have to adopt? It would also appear that we have to use the FILTER encapsulator to enforce inactivity timeouts. Now, what I would like to know is when is the FILTER encapsulator is actually in use? For instance, "inactivity" in dialupip wasn't obeyed until you were actually successfully connected. I'd like to know if the FILTER encapsulator can trigger it's inactivity action if a login is taking longer than INPUT_ACT_INTERVAL. On the whole I throughly agree with the approach taken by making the configuration more generalized. However, I think it's necessary to provide a unix interface that brings up the connection and brings down the connection. Please let me know if I'm missing something. ---- I don't want Dial On Demand behaviour I just want the link to be brought up _only_ when I tell it to, preferably via unix so that cron is in use. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TransSys-PNI-1.7-beta.tar.gz questions. (trans?) Date: 2 Mar 1994 14:45:30 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2l28qa$rm@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2l241b$19n@steffi.demon.co.uk> Oh and one other important question. How do we get /usr/dialupip/log/trans or is the FILTER responsible for that? I had previously been capturing the MOTD that my host puts up during a login session. They use the MOTD to provide status information. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: steffi@pinfo100.informatik.uni-mannheim.de (Steffi Brueninghaus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Date: 2 Mar 1994 15:38:47 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum Uni-Mannheim (RUM) Message-ID: <2l2bu7$32j@darum.uni-mannheim.de> References: <CM10nx.G0q@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <CM10nx.G0q@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > The easiest thing would be to find a way to turn the monitor off (which is not > really advisable on the Cube). We would like to turn off our monitors while the Station itself is still running, since having the monitor turned on for 24 h a day will decrease its quality considerably by the time. It also produces "electro-magnetic smog" all the time. So, if anybody has f ound a way how to turn off only the monitor, we would very much appreciate his help. -- Steffi Brueninghaus Lehrstuhl Praktische Informatik I Universitaet Mannheim 68165 Mannheim while the Station itself is still running, since having the monitor turned on for 24 h a day will decrease its quality considerably by the time. It also produces "electro-magnetic smog" all the time. So, if anybody has f
From: pcu@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Unix commands: CUT and PASTE Date: 2 Mar 1994 16:11:54 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l2dsa$4du@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <9403021009.AA17855@emunix.emich.edu> In article <9403021009.AA17855@emunix.emich.edu> sutharo@emunix.emich.edu (Sumnuk Sutharoskajornchai) writes: > > Does anyone know where can I get Unix commands: cut and paste for > NeXTSTEP for Intel? Thanks in Advance Do a man on paste. -- Peter Urka <pcu@umich.edu> Dept. of Chemistry, Univ. of Michigan Anything to me is sweeter, Than to see Shock-headed Peter. - H. Hoffmann
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: djc@puck.fnbc.com (Dan Crimmins) Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? In-Reply-To: philip@utstat.toronto.edu's message of Wed, 2 Mar 1994 07:26:21 GMT Message-ID: <DJC.94Mar2095358@puck.fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago, IL References: <9403011920.AA01187@dcs.shef.ac.uk> <2l0n2q$gp0@nkosi.well.com> <CM10nx.G0q@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: 2 Mar 94 09:53:58 Philip McDunnough writes: > The monitor alone is over 100watts! > ... > Your Cube is probably drawing 2->3 amps (around 200+ watts). are you sure about this, or are you guessing? while the cube's power supply is rated to supply 300 watts, it doesn't draw anywhere near that in a standard configuration. i remember a conversation with a next hardware engineer in which he made a big point of the fact that a mono cube with a 660MB internal drive only drew about 80 watts. i'm all for saving energy too, but let's not overstate the problem without some facts to back it up. does anyone have an ammeter and a cube to measure the current draw? --dan. -- dan crimmins djc@fnbc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sjm1@crux4.cit.cornell.edu (Seth Morabito) Subject: Looking for an oooollld NeXT... Message-ID: <sjm1.762629495@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> Keywords: NeXT NeXTSTEP Sender: usenet@piccolo.cit.cornell.edu (NNTP Connect) Organization: Cornell University Date: 2 Mar 94 17:31:35 GMT Just out of curiosity, I've been wondering if anyone has any original, extremely old NeXT's sitting around. They need not be extremely useful, only functional and complete, with any version of NeXTSTEP, developer version preferred. Any speed, but the slower and more useless to you the better, since I would be looking to buy one for a Classic Computer club here at Cornell. (Yes, I think we'd call some of the original NeXT's classics.) Basically, we just want a piece of black hardware for nostaligia value, little else. As long as it's functional and doesn't have bad burn-in on the monitor, we don't care how much RAM it's got or what software it comes loaded with. Does anyone have anything sitting around they want to dump on someone else at cheap bargain basement prices? -Seth J. Morabito Cornell University Classic Computer Club sjm1@cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wbeeck@dart.de (Wilfried Beeck) Subject: Re: Canon BJ600C driver Message-ID: <1994Feb28.201656.555@dart.de> Sender: wbeeck@dart.de Organization: d'ART Software GmbH References: <CLrynI.3Aq@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 20:16:56 GMT In article <CLrynI.3Aq@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > Is there a printer driver for the new Canon colour bubblejet printer (BJ600C) > for NS/I? Is so, where and how much? Yes, we have just finished a new version of DOTS, our popular NEXTSTEP printer driver. Dots now supports more than 400 different printer models, including nearly all Canon, HP and Epson printers. We have been testing the software on many different printer models over the last 2 months and will release the new version this week. You will see an official statement in comp.sys.next.announce soon that has all the details. We're planning to put the new version on the public archives. License keys and full packages will be available from most NeXT distributors and resellers or directly from d'ART. DOTS customers can download the new version and use their old license key to enable it. There is no upgrade fee. Wilfried Beeck d'ART Software GmbH wbeeck@dart.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Apple Laserwriter Pro 630 Message-ID: <1994Mar1.165107.6908@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <2kvikf$cqp@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:51:07 GMT In article <2kvikf$cqp@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> ramesh@cs.mcgill.ca (Ramesh SOMALINGAM) writes: >>We have a Apple Laserwriter Pro 630 on our network and I'm trying to add >>it to netinfo, but I'm unable to find the Printer description file for this >>model, does anyone know where I can get the relevant 'ppd' file? Thanks >>in advance. >>-- >> You can always grab ppd files and afm files from ftp.adobe.com. They also have a mail server, but I don't know how to get to it off the top of my head... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) --> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: s9uart@blackhole (Ried Thiel) Subject: Doom Message-ID: <1994Mar2.161055.18893@almserv.uucp> Keywords: Doom Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Fannie Mae Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 16:10:55 GMT I was hoping someone might be able to send me the fix for Doom that allows me to use the doom1.wad from the PC on my NeXT. I don't have FTP access so I can't get it. Thanks Ried
From: lje0106@sigma.tamu.edu (Louis J. Everett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MS Windows PS Compatibility With NextStep Date: 2 Mar 1994 18:39:27 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l2mgv$1ou@news.tamu.edu> I run Win Dose at home and a black Next at the office. I would like to use my Next printer to print good looking stuff generated with Windows. In the windows setup I can select several postscript printers eg. Generic Postscript Apple Lasers (various models listed) etc. In addition I can configure windows and tell it to produce PS or EPS files and whether to use printer defined True Type fonts or not. I basically tell windows that the printer is some type and it is connected to a file. When I print something, windows prompts for the file name and creates a file for me. I bring the file to work and put it on my Next then double click on the .ps or .eps file. Things almost work, the only problem is the previewer/printer does not recognize the pagination and cannot jump to a random page. QUESTION: What printers are compatible with the NEXT laser? Should I tell Windows to generate EPS or PS, and how should I respond to the Printer True Type font question? Thanks -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Louis Everett lje0106@sigma.tamu.edu NeXT mail welcome
From: Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Scene_movies Date: 2 Mar 1994 20:02:50 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Message-ID: <2l2rda$m8m@klaava.Helsinki.FI> The NeXTStep 2.1 provided a set of nice scene movies, which are dropped away from NS 3.0 (and higher). I losed them in update process. Do they work under 3.0? If yes, could somebody kindly send me some of them (star.movie, lines.movie, gravity...). - My children (4 and 6 yrs.) always ask me to show them "again"; they can't understand why just them were dropped out from the update (neither me :-). -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P(%1H92!.95A44W1E M<"`R+C$@<')O=FED960@82!S970@;V8@;FEC92!S8V5N92!M;W9I97,L('=H M:6-H(&%R92!D<F]P<&5D(&%W87D@9G)O;2!.4R`S+C`@*&%N9"!H:6=H97(I M+B`@22!L;W-E9"!T:&5M(&EN('5P9&%T92!P<F]C97-S+B`@1&\@=&AE>2!W M;W)K('5N9&5R(#,N,#\@($EF('EE<RP@8V]U;&0@<V]M96)O9'D@:VEN9&QY M('-E;F0@;64@<V]M92!O9B!T:&5M("AS=&%R+FUO=FEE+"!L:6YE<RYM;W9I M92P@9W)A=FET>2XN+BDN("T@37D@8VAI;&1R96X@*#0@86YD(#8@>7)S+BD@ M86QW87ES(&%S:R!M92!T;R!S:&]W('1H96T@(F%G86EN(CL@=&AE>2!C86XG M="!U;F1E<G-T86YD('=H>2!J=7-T('1H96T@=V5R92!D<F]P<&5D(&]U="!F B<F]M('1H92!U<&1A=&4@*&YE:71H97(@;64@.BTI+@I]"F]P `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jangeles@hp53.sysdev.dmg.ml.com (Joe Angeles) Subject: Re: Failure to install NSFIP Message-ID: <CLsKGH.9s0@tigadmin.ml.com> Sender: usenet@tigadmin.ml.com Organization: Merrill Lynch References: <boonlow.761681328@sfu.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 17:55:29 GMT In article <boonlow.761681328@sfu.ca>, boonlow@kits.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) writes: |> |> Hey guys, |> I have problem with installation of NSFIP 3.2 |> Plz help or offer me some advice if possible. |> I have bought NSFIP for 2 months !! already and still couldn't get it install |> due to one reason or another, sign ...:-( |> I want to put NSFIP 3.2 on my Zeos brand pentium PC; I know the machine isn't certified. I would like to try installing it anyway. My questions are: 1) Has anyone else tried installing NSFIP on a Zeos brand PC? 2) If I purchase NSFIP 3.2 and I find out it won't install (like the above situation) can I get my money back? Joe Angeles jangeles@mci.ml.com
From: hacker@access3.digex.net (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc Subject: Looking for a good graphics arts program... Date: 2 Mar 1994 20:20:18 -0500 Organization: Fortress Of Computation Message-ID: <2l3e0i$esr@access3.digex.net> Geeze I've got so many things in the queue right now it isn't funny. Another question... are there any good CHEAP graphics arts / illustration programs out there for any of the three platofrms (PC, NeXT and Mac)? For example, the NeXT has a drawing and icon builder program bundled with it but these are VERY underpowered, mostly example apps. Not good for drawing graphics with scalable, Postscript based objects. There's stuff you can buy for the Mac like Illustrator and MacDraw although this kind of software tends towards the pricey side. For the PC I'm clueless but since it's a PC I imagine it can't be particularly good. Well... so much for MY knowledge of graphics on computers! :-) So what's good out there? I really doubt I need the power of Illustrator. But I do need to do more than just draw circles. At least rotate and manipulate objects in various ways. - hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Unix commands: CUT and PASTE Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 17:38:19 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <chRFJPe00iV8Q_93kY@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <9403021009.AA17855@emunix.emich.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 2-Mar-94 Unix commands: CUT and PASTE by Sutharoskajornchai@emuni > Does anyone know where can I get Unix commands: cut and paste for > NeXTSTEP for Intel? Thanks in Advance Note that NEXTSTEP has a 'paste' command that pastes from the Pasteboard from the unix command line. You can get the unix versions of 'cut' and 'paste' in either fileutils or shellutils from prep.ai.mit.edu in /pub/gnu. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: MS Windows PS Compatibility With NextStep In-Reply-To: lje0106@sigma.tamu.edu's message of 2 Mar 1994 18:39:27 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Mar2145930@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <2l2mgv$1ou@news.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 22:59:30 GMT >>>>> "Louis" == Louis J Everett <lje0106@sigma.tamu.edu> writes: Louis> In the windows setup I can select several postscript printers eg. Louis> Generic Postscript Apple Lasers (various models listed) etc. Louis> In addition I can configure windows and tell it to produce PS or EPS Louis> files and whether to use printer defined True Type fonts or not. Louis> I basically tell windows that the printer is some type and it is Louis> connected to a file. When I print something, windows prompts for the Louis> file name and creates a file for me. I bring the file to work and put Louis> it on my Next then double click on the .ps or .eps file. Things Louis> almost work, the only problem is the previewer/printer does not Louis> recognize the pagination and cannot jump to a random page. This is due to the Window PS Driver not generating correct DSC comments, which is what the previewer uses to determine pagination. If you can get your hands on the Adobe Window PostScript driver (I'm not sure how, I'll try and find out) you'll be much better off. Louis> QUESTION: What printers are compatible with the NEXT laser? Should I Louis> tell Windows to generate EPS or PS, and how should I respond to the Louis> Printer True Type font question? The interpreter in NEXTSTEP is Level 2, and should be compatible with any of the Level 2 printers listed. The Apple LaserWriter II NTX should be a good choice. As for the TrueType question, my biased opinion is that you should set yourself up with ATM on the Windows system and simply avoid TrueType fonts. They'll print slower under NEXTSTEP that Type 1 fotns will. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT lint? Date: 2 Mar 1994 22:43:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l34qg$7o8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <2kiveh$6ck@bilbo.suite.com> In article <2kiveh$6ck@bilbo.suite.com> shepherd@suite.com (Scot Shepherd) writes: > Anyone know where I can get a lint program for the NeXT? Black > hardware? > You don't need lint. "cc -Wall" is at least as good. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: new user question Date: 2 Mar 1994 23:00:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l35r3$8n3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <fredb.762379982@honeydew> In article <fredb.762379982@honeydew> fredb@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu (Fred Biebesheimer) writes: > > Howdy, I've just recently installed NS/I, and so far I'm in love with it, > but how do I change my background to display an image rather than the plain > color background? Sorry if this is a stupid question, so go ahead and > reply by email. > > thanks There is an application called "Background" somewhere on the archives, written by Scott Hess and later remodeled by me later in an attempt to improve it. It is old, but it has source and should compile without major problems. It can do tiling, multiple background pictures, periodic change of pictures (slide show effect) and some more. Of course, there also is "Backspace", in /NextDeveloper/Demos. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MouseX buttons Date: 2 Mar 1994 23:02:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l35ug$8ps@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <2krjo7$miv@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <2krjo7$miv@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> kdb@pegasus (Kurt D. Bollacker) writes: > I have mouseX running on my NSC, but for the life of me, I can't figure out > how to use the "middle" and "right" buttons that would be on a 3 button > mouse. The NeXT left button functions as an X "left" button, but what are > the other 2? I've tried mixing <COMMAND> <ALTERNATE> <SHIFT>, etc... to > no avail. Anybody got suggestions. The documentation doesn't seem to say > anything about it. Thanks for any help..... > Enable the right mouse button in Preferences Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why cant NS mount a PC HD? Date: 2 Mar 1994 23:13:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l36jc$9ff@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <Feb.23.16.09.08.1994.18654@gandalf.rutgers.edu> In article <Feb.23.16.09.08.1994.18654@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > >I guess the subject says it all. NS can only mount a DOS partition on the > > And the answer is .... NS cannot work with removable DOS media... Why not? > I have no idea. Something about no standard... At anyrate you'd think that > NS would be able to at least mount a removable drive as if it were a fixed > drive... > However, in my computer (an ALR Evolution V/Q), you can set the BIOS up to treat removables as fixed drives. That one feature enabled me to install a minimal NS kernel on a Bernoulli drive when I was desperately trying to load NS-3.1 onto the multi-sector driven IDE drive. I am not sure if it will work in your case, but It ,ight be worth a try. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Scene_movies Message-ID: <2l37i8$s13@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: 2 Mar 94 23:30:16 GMT References: <2l2rda$m8m@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Stanford University Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi writes > The NeXTStep 2.1 provided a set of nice scene movies, which are > dropped away from NS 3.0 (and higher). I losed them in update > process. Do they work under 3.0? If yes, could somebody kindly > send me some of them (star.movie, lines.movie, gravity...). - My > children (4 and 6 yrs.) always ask me to show them "again"; they > can't understand why just them were dropped out from the update > (neither me :-). Running the 2.1 era "movies" under 3.x requires a patched version of the 2.1 Scene.app; instructions on how to do this are on the archives somewhere (its basically exactly the same as for patching Icon.app so that it still runs). Note that this will involve a security risk since it will require public window server to be on. A number of very similar "movies" are available as BackSpace modules; that might be the easier way to go about it. Ciao, Stefano --- Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University, Stanford CA 94305-6084 Tel 415-725-0939, Fax 415-725-7007 Email spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Opener.app, BinHex, and MIME Mail app for Mac? Date: 3 Mar 1994 02:41:44 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l3ip8$lle@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2kiebe$ckt@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: Opener BinHex Mac Eudora MIME Mail In article <2kiebe$ckt@agate.berkeley.edu> I wrote: >It looks like most of the new BinHex 4.0 files from Mac cannot >be unpacked by Opener.app. There were basically two problems and now I can read Mac WordPerfect files sent with BinHex encoding using Opener. One was that Opener tries to run 'unsit' program automatically after decoding BinHex. Most BinHex 4.0 files, at least ones I have seen, are *not* processed with StuffIt, thus 'unsit' was totally unnecessary. The second problem was that 'mcvert' program that decodes BinHex file creates a MacBinary file which has all the resource forks combined. This is done, I assume, on the assumption that eventual destination of the decoded binary file is a Mac, e.g., for use with downloading and FTP to a Mac. However, for opening Mac files directly on the NeXT (like when opening a WordPerfect or FreeHand documents), we don't want a MacBinary file. We just need the data fork portion only. 'mcvert', as shipped with Opener does not seem to save the data fork by itself, so I munged it to do so. I just commented out a few lines in the source. If anyone want the changes, let me know. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: srs@panix.com (Scott R. Schreiman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! Routing info for slip? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 2 Mar 1994 21:54:28 -0500 Organization: somewhere, sometime, somehow Message-ID: <2l3jh4$rem@panix2.panix.com> References: <CM0Mv2.Lu2@world.std.com> David Wells (dwells@world.std.com) wrote: : Hi all, : I'm hoping this works...'vi' hates me... : Anyway, I'm trying to connect my NeXT/unix box to the net via tiac via slip. : I'm able to get connectied and use ping and finger, but the interactive : utilities like ftp and telnet don't work after the 'connected to foo.bar.edu' : message. Lynn at tiac thinks this is a routing problem, and I'm inclined to agr : ee with her from what little I know about networking. Problem is, I don't : know how to fix this. If anyone has suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks : in advance. Peace, : Dave My networking experience is also somewhat lacking, but I have been having the exact same problem getting up on slip at Panix. I am using Louis Mamakos' dialup ip. I am still running on 3.0 black. Anyway, my login stuff works ok, I get the connection, netstat works and things seem ok. I can also ping at domain names and finger others. But the interactive programs also crash and burn. I have been told that this means the DNS is working (obviously) and that UDP packets also get through, TCP packets don't. Without and prior knowledge of my setup, the tech person at panix suggested that I turn on CSLIP, because (it seems) the Annex slip server they use chokes on uncompressed headers. I haven't yet purchased the cslip upgrade from TranSys, so I haven't been able to test that theory. It sounds good though. I wonder if that is the same problem you are having. In short, it may not be a routing problem; but if anyone who actually has a clue wishes to comment, I know I would appreciate it also! Scott -- Scott R. Schreiman | 130 Water St., 7A | All opinions expressed can only srs@panix.com | New York, NY 10025 | be mine: Who else wants them? NeXTMail preferred | Tel: (212) 668 1539 | * Finger for PGP Public Key * ---------------------------------------- "Now I have great difficulty in making you understand my answer to this. For if I tell you that this would be a disobedience to a divine command, and therefore that I can not hold my tongue, you will not believe that I am serious; and if I say again that the greatest good of man is daily to converse about virtue, and all that concerning which you hear me examining myself and others, and that the life which is unexamined is not worth living - that you are still less likely to believe."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Erik Dasque <ed@joker.fdn.org> Subject: Re: Unix commands: CUT and PASTE Message-ID: <1994Mar3.034555.5572@joker.fdn.org> Sender: ed@joker.fdn.org (Erik Dasque) Organization: French Guy Corp. - Paris, France. References: <2l2dsa$4du@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 03:45:55 GMT In article <2l2dsa$4du@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> pcu@umich.edu writes: > In article <9403021009.AA17855@emunix.emich.edu> sutharo@emunix.emich.edu > (Sumnuk Sutharoskajornchai) writes: > > > > Does anyone know where can I get Unix commands: cut and paste for > > NeXTSTEP for Intel? Thanks in Advance > Do a man on paste. > nope, not the same. NeXTSTEP implementation of paste is just a command-line paste (as in CUT&PASTE) while unix standard cut and paste are used (if I recall correctly) to cut a text in columns. I myself never used it but recall finding them for a friend on a CD-ROM. I believe it was on Bang CD, Sex Lies & CD-ROM but I am not sure. If it's not on there, try the BGCD1, Education CD. Those are the only CDs I ever had access to, so they must be on there, somewhere... Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" ed@joker.fdn.org GC/O d-(++) p(+) c++ l(!) u+(++) e+(*) m+(---) s+/+ n+ h- f++ g- w+ t+ r y+(*) "In the long run, we are all dead". JM Keynes
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Date: 3 Mar 1994 06:43:54 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l40va$nra@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <DJC.94Mar2095358@puck.fnbc.com> In article <DJC.94Mar2095358@puck.fnbc.com> djc@puck.fnbc.com (Dan Crimmins) writes: > Philip McDunnough writes: > > The monitor alone is over 100watts! > > ... > > Your Cube is probably drawing 2->3 amps (around 200+ watts). > > are you sure about this, or are you guessing? while the cube's power > supply is rated to supply 300 watts, it doesn't draw anywhere near > that in a standard configuration. i remember a conversation with a > next hardware engineer in which he made a big point of the fact that > a mono cube with a 660MB internal drive only drew about 80 watts. > > i'm all for saving energy too, but let's not overstate the problem > without some facts to back it up. does anyone have an ammeter and > a cube to measure the current draw? From NeXTanswers: power amps watts hardware boards Q: What is the power consumption of the NeXT computer system? Q: How many watts of power are available to a plug-in board? A: Typical power consumption of the 030 NeXT cube and monitor (not printer): 150 Watts, 2 amps Maximum power consumption (not printer): about 300 Watts, 5 amps. Power consumption of printer: In standby mode (not printing): 110 Watts at either 115 or 220 Volts Peak power while printing: 640 Watts at 115 Volts, 1240 W at 220 V Printing increases the total current draw of the system up to 10 amps. Regarding add-on boards in 030 cube systems: we conservatively specify 20 watts per card. Depending on system loading, the total power can go as high as 25 watts. The basic limitation is our power supply, which allows 12 amps of +5 for the three expansion slots (assuming maximum loading on the CPU and two disk drives). If your board consumes too much power, the power supply will probably shut down to protect the cube, if your board hasn't fried first. However, using a board that exceeds the spec will void the warranty on any NeXT parts that are damaged. You can't redistribute the available 60W total differently -- each slot really only does get about 20W. Approximately 0.5 amps total of + and - 12 volts are also available. Measurements on color and monochrome NeXTstations showed the following power requirements, with no external peripherals attached to the serial or DSP ports. Note that the monitors for the monochrome systems are powered from the internal (cpu box) power supply, whereas the color monitors are powered from a separate AC power cord. Power requirements for the 040 CPU board in the NeXTcube should be identical to those for the monochrome NeXTstation. NeXTstation: CPU Board CPU Board 8 MB DRAM 8 MB DRAM Monitor Monitor 200 MB drive Floppy drive ======================================== +12V 2.0A 3.5A -12V 2.5A 2.5A 5.0V 3.5A 4.5A ======================================== NeXTstation Color: CPU Board CPU Board 32 MB DRAM 32 MB DRAM 200 MB drive Floppy drive ======================================== +12V 0.4A 1.5A -12V 0.1A 0.1A 5.0V 4.0A 5.0A ======================================== The power supply that comes with both NeXTstations provides the following: +5 V 7A +12V 4A -12V 3A The following additional, approximate power requirements for the NeXTstation (monochrome) and NeXTcube systems were derived from specifications and analysis, but were not measured directly: CPU : +5V: Idle 2A Peak 5A +12V (including Net) 0.5A -12V (for datacomm,etc.) 0.1A If the board is driving a monitor, add 2.5A to the +12V and -12V current requirements. Floppy: Standby power 100mW +5V: Running current 0.5 A Peak current 1 A SCSI disk: Average power 10 - 15W +12V: on 105 and 200 Mb drives: 2A peak See also hardware.101. QA196 Valid for 1.0 Valid for 2.0
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT lint? Date: 3 Mar 1994 06:48:33 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l4181$o0f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <2l34qg$7o8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In article <2l34qg$7o8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > In article <2kiveh$6ck@bilbo.suite.com> shepherd@suite.com (Scot Shepherd) > writes: > > Anyone know where I can get a lint program for the NeXT? Black > > hardware? > > > > You don't need lint. "cc -Wall" is at least as good. > Don't be bashful and stop with only -Wall :-) Add -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings for even better checking. --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Message-ID: <CM2y9L.JA8@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <2l0n2q$gp0@nkosi.well.com> <CM10nx.G0q@utstat.toronto.edu> <DJC.94Mar2095358@puck.fnbc.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 08:29:45 GMT In article <DJC.94Mar2095358@puck.fnbc.com> djc@puck.fnbc.com (Dan Crimmins) writes: >Philip McDunnough writes: >> The monitor alone is over 100watts! >> ... >> Your Cube is probably drawing 2->3 amps (around 200+ watts). > >are you sure about this, or are you guessing? while the cube's power >supply is rated to supply 300 watts, it doesn't draw anywhere near >that in a standard configuration. i remember a conversation with a >next hardware engineer in which he made a big point of the fact that >a mono cube with a 660MB internal drive only drew about 80 watts. That's certainly not true. It's been a while since I had my Cube (and I had a 1gig drive in it), but I did measure the energy draw and it was over 2 amps. This included the modem, floppy and CD-ROM in standby. > >i'm all for saving energy too, but let's not overstate the problem >without some facts to back it up. does anyone have an ammeter and >a cube to measure the current draw? The problem is not being overstated. Apart from the very real damage that is being caused by computers and printers running all the time, we will eventually be forced to be Energy Star or equivalent complient. I find it incredible that people are resisting on this issue. We really should get rid of the recycler icon. It's a disgrace. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische) Subject: Re: Unix commands: CUT and PASTE Message-ID: <1994Mar2.223508.1231@lkba.uucp> Sender: lkb@lkba.uucp (Larry Blische) Organization: LKB Associates, Inc. References: <2l2dsa$4du@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 22:35:08 GMT In article <2l2dsa$4du@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> pcu@umich.edu writes: > In article <9403021009.AA17855@emunix.emich.edu> sutharo@emunix.emich.edu > (Sumnuk Sutharoskajornchai) writes: > > > > Does anyone know where can I get Unix commands: cut and paste for > > NeXTSTEP for Intel? Thanks in Advance > Do a man on paste. NeXT has reused the name 'paste' but cut and the 'other' paste seem to be available on UUNET: systems/unix/bsd-sources/usr.bin/cut/cut.1.Z systems/unix/bsd-sources/usr.bin/cut/cut.c.Z systems/unix/bsd-sources/usr.bin/paste/paste.1.Z systems/unix/bsd-sources/usr.bin/paste/paste.c.Z --- Larry Blische lkb@lkba.com LKB Associates, Inc. NeXTmail Welcome! 3118 Dunglow Road 410 285 2262 Dundalk, Maryland 21222-5304 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Backspace and Fish Message-ID: <CM2w2u.HuK@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 07:42:30 GMT I am using the Backspace program on a PC with the Aquarium module. I seem to not be able to select the type of fish nor the number. The same 6 fish (which are quite beautiful) keep showing up. Is there a way to have more, or different ones at least? I have lot's of fish in the fish folder. Also, I'd like my children to be able to idebtify the fish. Could they have labels identifying them? I do realize this is not a MCA, but it is important to us. Thank's ... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: bruce@phantom.com (Bruce Fancher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.admin,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Needed: Black NS 3.2 in NYC Date: 3 Mar 1994 07:48:55 GMT Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Message-ID: <2l44p7$nog@dockmaster.phantom.com> We have a NeXTstation running 2.1 and we'd very much like to upgrade to 3.2. We're located in the mid-town area of Manhattan. If anyone can help us please send me email. Thanks.
From: kaoki@ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Kenichiro Aoki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MouseX buttons Date: 3 Mar 94 18:19:52 Organization: Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics, Kyoto, Japan. Distribution: world Message-ID: <KAOKI.94Mar3181952@rn1.ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp> References: <2krjo7$miv@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <2l35ug$8ps@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In-reply-to: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu's message of 2 Mar 1994 23:02:40 GMT uIn article <2l35ug$8ps@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: In article <2krjo7$miv@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> kdb@pegasus (Kurt D. Bollacker) writes: > I have mouseX running on my NSC, but for the life of me, I can't figure out > how to use the "middle" and "right" buttons that would be on a 3 button > mouse. The NeXT left button functions as an X "left" button, but what are > the other 2? I've tried mixing <COMMAND> <ALTERNATE> <SHIFT>, etc... to > no avail. Anybody got suggestions. The documentation doesn't seem to say > anything about it. Thanks for any help..... > Enable the right mouse button in Preferences AND middle button = two buttons simultaneously -- Kenichiro Aoki (ken@phys.titech.ac.jp), Department of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Oh-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo, JAPAN Not posting from the usual node, due to problems.
From: skeezics@teleport.com (Skeezics Boondoggle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG Date: 3 Mar 1994 01:36:56 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Message-ID: <2l4b3o$csg@elaine.teleport.com> References: <2ktogm$a95@agate.berkeley.edu> <1994Mar1.004027.12750@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: >Personally, I'd rather put up with it for now, and be glad that >when 300dpi displays come out, my favorite operating environment >will deal with the increased resolution elegantly and effectively. >:-) Been there. Done that. :-) Sorry, but the PERQ fanatic has to jump in here... a company called MegaScan built and displayed a 300dpi display system several SIGGRAPHs back... I'm not sure if they're still in business anymore. One of the founders of MegaScan was the principle designer of the PERQ, which FOURTEEN YEARS AGO had a full page 100dpi 60Hz non-interlaced display. The 300dpi unit that MegaScan built was driven by a controller that basically copied the PERQ's RasterOp hardware design. The video bandwidth was astronomical (refreshing 4096 x 3172 pixels, at least 60 times a second!) but the real problem was heat... I think it was built to drop into a PC... I'd give anything to have one of those pups, simply because I'm a PERQ nut and I like collecting strange old stuff. Of course, my black Cube will, sadly, be joining the collection in a few years... Though, all of these MegaScan mumblings are second hand, but they did show the thing at SIGGRAPH, and they did get a write-up in some trade rag (where they mentioned a *grey scale* version would be forthcoming!). If anyone has heard of MegaScan and knows whether or not they still exist (or what happened to their technology), please let me know! -- A high-resolution dreamer -- skeezics@teleport.COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400, N81)
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Scene_movies Date: 3 Mar 1994 10:36:32 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2l4ejg$eo0@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2l2rda$m8m@klaava.Helsinki.FI> <2l37i8$s13@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> In article <2l37i8$s13@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: >Running the 2.1 era "movies" under 3.x requires a patched version of >the 2.1 Scene.app; instructions on how to do this are on the archives >somewhere (its basically exactly the same as for patching Icon.app so >that it still runs). Note that this will involve a security risk >since it will require public window server to be on. Actually, the "movies" are just PostScript programs; they can be run from the command line using pft -p -s -f /full/path/to/file [Public Window Server NOT required!] -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Unix commands: CUT and PASTE Message-ID: <1994Mar3.003011.977@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <2l2dsa$4du@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 00:30:11 GMT In article <2l2dsa$4du@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> pcu@umich.edu writes: * In article <9403021009.AA17855@emunix.emich.edu> * sutharo@emunix.emich.edu (Sumnuk Sutharoskajornchai) writes: * > Does anyone know where can I get Unix commands: cut and paste * > for NeXTSTEP for Intel? Thanks in Advance * Do a man on paste. Cobblers. The bloke is looking for the System V UNIX cut and paste commands. If you have FTP access, get the GNU textutils distribution from prep.ai.mit.edu. cut and paste are in that source tree. ........ Henry
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SDformat users : Confirmation.. Date: 3 Mar 1994 12:15:38 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2l4kda$ko@steffi.demon.co.uk> Well I will be sdformatting tomorrow and I want to make sure everything goes smoothly. Here's what I plan to do. 1. Backup (backup software will be on floppy :-)) 2. sdformat -i1 -u0 -b1024 -f 3. Do a complete install from the 3.2 bootdisk and CD-ROM's 4. Restore selected files. This sound ok? -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CDPlayer for Apple CD300's? Date: 3 Mar 1994 12:18:48 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2l4kj8$mq@steffi.demon.co.uk> Anybody know of CDPlaying software to the Apple CD300? Where is the Play150 stuff found? What's it like? Does it work? -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.2/I and putenv() Message-ID: <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Mar2115138@shrug.dur.ac.uk> From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Date: 02 Mar 1994 11:51:37 GMT References: <2kvube$pgg@marble.Britain.EU.net> Organization: I speak for myself In-reply-to: Charlesa@learned.co.uk's message of Tue, 01 Mar 94 17:32:19 BST there are a number of bsd related calls that the NeXT does not support...as a result I've found the original bsd code and simply made a library which contains all of the missing bits (called, libmissing.a of course)... The contents I have so far are: strdup() putenv() getenv() setenv() I notice that more and more things are looking for getcwd, which is implemented under POSIX, but sometimes compiling wiht -posix causes more headaches than are needed. If there is sufficient demand I would be happy to place this library on cs.orst.edu...it is for Black hardware, I don't have intel and I don't have the slightest interest or knowledge about how to compile crossplatform. Scott -- GSS d-- -p+ c++++ !l u++ e+++@ m++(*) s+/+@ n+ h-- f+@(?) g+ w+++ t++ r- y**(+) EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk WWW: http://shrug.org/pages/scott/scottm.html "In another novel, I *am* you"
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Fax Software question. Date: 3 Mar 1994 13:57:19 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <2l4qbv$1n2@steffi.demon.co.uk> I run NXFax with a 1496E but this is probably a NeXT FAX software thing. Anyway, in the options for the the NXFAX driver you can give it a phone number. Well I assume that's for a reason? I sent a fax earlier today and it didn't send that number to their fax modem at the start of transmission. What's that number for? IMHO: If the software _does_ show that number then Preview should also show that little header at the top of the FAX too. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: U. Wisconsin / Cornell Next users? Date: 3 Mar 1994 19:06:11 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l5cf3INNgu9@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> I need a NeXTuser at the University of Wisconsin or Cornell University to contact me. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks..Bruce
From: ray@mayo.edu (Ray Ghanbari) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Date: 3 Mar 1994 20:21:36 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l5gsg$ior@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <2l5brq$fl@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> The biggest power hog is usually these big clunky monitors that modern workstations seem to require. Fortunately, most of them have a power button on the front side. Think of it as a really low power mode ;-) Seriously, education and raising awareness seem to be the answer to a lot of the very legitimate concerns people have regarding energy conservation. People seem to remember to turn off their radios and TVs when they leave home. We just need to bring the same type of attitude to our workplace. Turn off what you don't need to have on. For machines that may be fileservers (or whatever), this means switching off the monitor. -- Ray Ghanbari Mayo Foundation ray@mayo.edu
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digital 8-track -> disk? Date: 3 Mar 1994 12:52:27 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Distribution: inet Message-ID: <9403031853.AA07802@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Hi, Summary ------- Does anybody have any suggestions for getting 8-tracks of (digital) sound from recording apparatus to disk? Background ---------- We intend soon to record a speech database: unlike most others it will include multiple (5) simultaneous speakers engaged in a cooperative (most of the time!) task. Each speaker will be recorded individually during the session, and in addition there will be recordings made from an omni-directional microphone and from binaural microphones in a KEMAR mannikin. Requirements ------------ We need: (a) an 8-track recording platform. We seem to have two choices here: The Alesis ADAT, and the TASCAM DA88. If anybody can suggest alternatives we'd be interested to hear of them. Closely coupled with this, however, is the need for (b) a means of getting the data from tape to disk. This is likely to be the tricky bit, and we would very much appreciate suggestions, hints from experience etc. Constraints ----------- We have a reasonable range of computer equipment, NeXT Sun, PC, and a modest budget, say 5000 pounds Sterling (most of which will go on the 8-track). We would prefer, however, to avoid "custom solutions" as we hope to make our experiments replicable elsewhere on "standard" equipment. We'd welcome any comments, suggestions etc. Have fun, mmalcolm. --- SHeffield Auditory Group | Vox : (+44) 742 768555 ext 5569 Dept. Computer Science | direct : 825569 Sheffield University | Fax : (+44) 742 780972 Regent Court | Email: malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk 211 Portobello Street | (NeXTMail welcome) Sheffield S1 4DP, UK. | (Read-Receipts discouraged :-)
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Date: 3 Mar 1994 18:55:54 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l5brq$fl@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <CM2y9L.JA8@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <CM2y9L.JA8@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > > The problem is not being overstated. Apart from the very real damage that > is being caused by computers and printers running all the time, we will > eventually be forced to be Energy Star or equivalent complient. I find it > incredible that people are resisting on this issue. We really should get rid > of the recycler icon. It's a disgrace. How about the incredibly novel idea of simply powering down each night all systems not involved with uucp, background calculations, etc.? I know this will bring a howl of complaints about how this isn't the way God intended UNIX systems to operate, dire predictions of early hardware failure due to repeated power cycles, etc., but I've been doing this for 3 years with no problems (I realize this isn't a statistically significant sample :-) and much smaller electric bills and resultant CO2 emissions, fossil fuel depletion, etc. The premature hardware failure issues are red herrings these days anyway. Let's see, the MTBF for my new disk drive is something like 99 years! So what if I reduce its life by even an order of magnitude; it'll be in the scrap heap long before that due to obsolescence. And the same holds for the rest of today's hardware components which become obsolete long before they fail. So rethink your mode of operation and power down when you're not going to be using your system for several hours. Powering down is guaranteed to save energy NOW while premature failure and the resultant energy expenditure used to build the failed parts is a statistical gamble that's less likely to occur now than ever before... --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: doroin@cobber.cord.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anyone running Plan9 on a NeXT? Date: 3 Mar 1994 14:54:21 -0600 Organization: Concordia College, Moorhead Minnesota Distribution: na Message-ID: <2l5ipt$7r8@cobber.cord.edu> We will be getting the Plan9 distribution soon and we hope to run it on our Solbourne computer. However, an alternative choice is to run it on one of our NeXTs. Is anyone running Plan9 on a NeXT? If so, how stable/reliable is it? Thanks a Million: -Jon -- Jonathan A. Doroin doroin@cobber.cord.edu doroin@wonka.cord.edu (NeXTmail)
From: spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Scene_movies Date: 3 Mar 1994 17:44:32 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2l57m0$8ae@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2l4ejg$eo0@nic-nac.CSU.net> Eric P. Scott writes > Actually, the "movies" are just PostScript programs; they can be > run from the command line using > > pft -p -s -f /full/path/to/file Thanks for the info. Now I can throw out that old copy of Scene I kept around just to be able to play those old "movies." I suspect it would be straight-forward to write a mini-app that would simply take the old "movies" if they're double-clicked or dropped onto its icon and pass them onto the command above. If I knew anything about programming, I might even do it :-) (If someone else wants to, I'd be happy to contribute an icon) Ciao, Stefano --- Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University, Stanford CA 94305-6084 Tel 415-725-0939, Fax 415-725-7007 Email spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP and WYSIWYG In-Reply-To: skeezics@teleport.com's message of 3 Mar 1994 01:36:56 -0800 Message-ID: <BYER.94Mar3134809@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <2ktogm$a95@agate.berkeley.edu> <1994Mar1.004027.12750@adobe.com> <2l4b3o$csg@elaine.teleport.com> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:48:09 GMT Skeezics Boondoggle writes: Skeezics> Sorry, but the PERQ fanatic has to jump in here... a company Skeezics> called MegaScan built and displayed a 300dpi display system Skeezics> several SIGGRAPHs back... I'm not sure if they're still in Skeezics> business anymore. One of the founders of MegaScan was the Skeezics> principle designer of the PERQ, which FOURTEEN YEARS AGO had a Skeezics> full page 100dpi 60Hz non-interlaced display. The 300dpi unit Skeezics> that MegaScan built was driven by a controller that basically Skeezics> copied the PERQ's RasterOp hardware design. The video bandwidth Skeezics> was astronomical (refreshing 4096 x 3172 pixels, at least 60 times Skeezics> a second!) but the real problem was heat... I think it was built Skeezics> to drop into a PC... They managed *that* with a glass display? Wow. Nasty. I was actually talking about the easier-reading non-CRT alternatives... -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: compatible monitors for mono-NextCube system Date: 3 Mar 94 21:51:50 GMT Organization: University of Washington Distribution: na Message-ID: <strobel.762731510@dirac> Summary: Any non-NeXT monitors compatible with NeXTCube (monochrome)? Keywords: monitor NeXTcube Two questions: Are there any non-NeXT monitors that can be hooked into a monochrome NeXTCube system as a *replacement* for the NeXTCube's monitor? My monitor is getting blurry and the repair person says that it cannot be improved any further. I need a megapixel monitor that would display the NeXTStep interface. Can any of the NeXT color monitors be used on a monochrome Cube system? Thanks for your help, Nick strobel@astro.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: djc@puck.fnbc.com (Dan Crimmins) Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? In-Reply-To: philip@utstat.toronto.edu's message of Thu, 3 Mar 1994 08:29:45 GMT Message-ID: <DJC.94Mar3141223@puck.fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago, IL References: <2l0n2q$gp0@nkosi.well.com> <CM10nx.G0q@utstat.toronto.edu> <DJC.94Mar2095358@puck.fnbc.com> <CM2y9L.JA8@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: 3 Mar 94 14:12:23 Philip McDunnough writes: > The problem is not being overstated. Apart from the very real damage that > is being caused by computers and printers running all the time, we will > eventually be forced to be Energy Star or equivalent complient. I find it > incredible that people are resisting on this issue. We really should get rid > of the recycler icon. It's a disgrace. philip, you are making strong claims about unspecified 'damage' being caused by computers, monitors, and printers. while it may be convenient and politically correct to hop on the environmental bandwagon without a second thought, i'd like some hard facts first. this is prudence, not resistance. the last thing we need is more hyper-reactive regulation such as California's zero-emissions initiative that will cost taxpayers outrageous amounts of money for marginal benefits while the real culprits (chemical processing plants, deisel-powered trucks with no emissions control, etc) escape unnoticed. --dan. -- dan crimmins djc@fnbc.com
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer for Apple CD300's? Date: 3 Mar 1994 23:26:19 GMT Organization: E&S Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l5rmr$n9f@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <2l4kj8$mq@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article mq@steffi.demon.co.uk, robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > Anybody know of CDPlaying software to the Apple CD300? Try: /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app Works fine with my Apple CD300. Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: Advice for $7000 system Message-ID: <CM4Awq.DtK@ucdavis.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 02:00:25 GMT The Pentium Trojan Horse... We are about to purchase some new workstations for our lab, and we have targeted a price of about $7000 a seat. What we want includes a 30" color monitor, 32 MBytes of RAM, and a 1 Gig HD. Sun's SPARC LX comes very close to meeting this goal (with our discounts), but the LX is THE slowest workstation on the market; the new Macs to be released in 11 days will run two to three times faster. An alternative we have been considering is to purchase a high-end Intel system (Pentium) with the equipment mentioned above and run Solaris on it (we are mainly a Sun shop, and most people like to stick close to what they know). I would prefer this alternative because we could install NEXTSTEP on them as well and simply have a dual boot. Basically using the Pentium system as a trojan horse to get NEXTSTEP in our lab. Can we get a NEXTSTEP capable system with the specs mentioned above for $7000 or less? Does anyone on the in this newsgroup use such a system? Suggestions would be appreciated, Todd Heberlein heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@worf.acs.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: NeXTSTEP and Novell Message-ID: <1994Mar04.035934.185560@zeus.aix.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: /usr/spool/news/organization Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 04 Mar 1994 03:59:34 GMT I'm aware that NeXTSTEP comes with a Novell client but I have a couple of questions about how it works. For a NeXTSTEP machine to hook up to a Novell server does it have to be on a TCP/IP network? In other words can I hookup a NeXTSTEP machine on a IPX/NETX network that has a Novell server and be able to connect to that server?\ Thanks, -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: weare@galaxy.ucr.edu (christopher weare) Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Date: 3 Mar 1994 20:04:37 -0800 Organization: University of California, Riverside Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2l6c0l$m5j@galaxy.ucr.edu> References: <9403031853.AA07802@dcs.shef.ac.uk> <jes15-030394172000@cu-dialup-0126.cit.cornell.edu> In article <jes15-030394172000@cu-dialup-0126.cit.cornell.edu>, Jeremy Sagan <jes15@Cornell.edu> wrote: >In article <9403031853.AA07802@dcs.shef.ac.uk>, M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk >(Malcolm Crawford) wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Summary >> ------- >> Does anybody have any suggestions for getting 8-tracks of (digital) >> sound from recording apparatus to disk? >> >All you need is a mac AV and DECK II software from OSC. >-- >Author of Metro, the ultimate MIDI sequencer. Although that will get u 8 trks play back I dont think it will help because the AV can only record 2 tracks at a time. If i interpret the origonal posters message correctly, I believe he wants to record 8 tracks simultaneously. So, to get 8 tracks simultaneously and cheaply your best bet is either the ADAT or DA88. To get the audio to the computer you will need either an AV mac or similar or a sound card ala audio media. There are cheaper cards but if you need good quality you dont want to scrimp on the input. The nice thing about the audio media card (~$1000 US) is that it has a digital interface that you can pump ur sound thru to avoid the evil analog domain. I forget whether the AM card has both aes/ebu and s/pdif or just the later interface. Also the digital outs on the ADAT or DA88 that you purchas need to be compatible too. Chris weare@galaxy.ucr.edu
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digital Audio-To and Fro? Message-ID: <Mar.4.03.20.08.1994.26893@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 4 Mar 94 08:20:08 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi All, I just got the new version of play3401. It works great on my NeXTdimension Turbo ADB system. The record feature is great. Now I just have to get some automated way of dumping all the tracks from the CD into individual files and have their formats changed and compressed... Anyway, two quick questions... 1) Has anyone gotton play3401 to work on an Intel setup? It doesn't work on mine with the same CDROM I use on the ND. I get an error that looks like this: ...scsi generic ...scsi generic cant find any Toshiba 3401 drives, it only works with toshiba 3401s... The above is obviosly from my head and not a from a terminal window :) 2) Does anyone know how I can go about converting/transferring a .snd file onto a DAT. I mean put it onto a DAT audio tape so I can use it with my home audio DAT player? Again thanks for the app, and for any help! Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Message-ID: <CM4vqL.JtL@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <DJC.94Mar2095358@puck.fnbc.com> <CM2y9L.JA8@utstat.toronto.edu> <DJC.94Mar3141223@puck.fnbc.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:30:20 GMT In article <DJC.94Mar3141223@puck.fnbc.com> djc@puck.fnbc.com (Dan Crimmins) writes: >Philip McDunnough writes: [ ] > >you are making strong claims about unspecified 'damage' being caused by >computers, monitors, and printers. while it may be convenient and >politically correct to hop on the environmental bandwagon without a >second thought, i'd like some hard facts first. this is prudence, >not resistance. I am not making any wild claims! The energy consumption is fact and not fiction. As I noted my Cube was using at least 2amps day in and day out. This is a fair amount of waste, and it's now worse withh the increasing number of users, colour monitors, laser printers, etc...I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. It all started from a simple request to have a DPMS driver for becoming and standard and is being supported by virtually every monitor manufacturer, except Nanao. See the informed message by Bruce Burkhalter (March3, 1994) in comp.sys.next.advocacy. >the last thing we need is more hyper-reactive regulation such as California's >zero-emissions initiative that will cost taxpayers outrageous amounts of >money for marginal benefits while the real culprits (chemical processing >plants, deisel-powered trucks with no emissions control, etc) escape unnoticed. I don't think I'm even coming close to this. DPMS is a far cry from what is being done in California w.r.t. to their air problem. Might I point out again that ATI's GUP already supports DPMS. It's now just a sw issue. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shergot5@mach1.wlu.ca (scott hergott u) Subject: SerialMouse.config Message-ID: <CM4swt.AnI@mach1.wlu.ca> Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 08:29:14 GMT After the destruction of nearly all driver files, I have managed to reconfigure most everthing, with the exception of the mouse. The reason for this is due to the fact that it was deleted (Whole SerialMouse.config directory.) Since I do not have a CD rom currently connected to my computer, could someone be ever so kind and tar & compress the SerialMouse.config directory/driver and email it to me. Thanks, Scott Hergott Email : shergot5@mach1.wlu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: ploeger@aplki.toppoint.de (Andreas Ploeger) Subject: Re: Problems of PS files from dvips Message-ID: <1994Mar3.180928.28871@aplki.toppoint.de> Sender: ploeger@aplki.toppoint.de (Andreas Ploeger) Organization: Andreas Ploeger References: <2kt18d$isk@news.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 18:09:28 GMT In article <2kt18d$isk@news.iastate.edu> tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) writes: > If I get a chance I will download the Tailor demo and > see if the PS versions of the TeX fonts work with it. In the newest version of Tailor they should. My only problem were special symbols like the bullets generated by '\itemize'. They don't appear as PS fonts in the dvips output but as TeX fonts. Did anybody solve this? A. Ploeger ------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Ploeger E-Mail: ploeger@tpki.toppoint.de Kiel University Phone: (49) 431 597 1757 Clinic for Pediatric Cardiology FAX: (49) 431 597 1828 Schwanenweg 20, 24105 Kiel 1, Germany *** NeXT Mail welcome *** -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Ploeger E-Mail: ploeger@tpki.toppoint.de
From: jds@aplexus.jhuapl.edu (John D Stanhope) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Date: 4 Mar 1994 13:10:10 GMT Organization: Johns Hopkins U. Applied Physics Lab Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l7bvi$hh8@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu> References: <2l5brq$fl@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <2l5gsg$ior@fermat.mayo.edu> This is a little off this threads track, but does anyone have a ballpark figure for what it costs to run a computer year round? With and/or without the monitor? -- jds ---------------------------------------------------- Otto "Apes don't read philoshpy" Wanda "Yes they do, they just don't understand it" ----------------------------------------------------
From: Charlesa@learned.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.2/I and putenv() Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 14:05:20 BST Organization: EUnet GB Message-ID: <2l7fon$6o8@marble.Britain.EU.net> References: <2l0buf$1jo@steffi.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In article <2l0buf$1jo@steffi.demon.co.uk>, <robert@steffi.demon.co.uk> writes: > What a shame we didn't get to see what he was compiling. > > Well here we go again with another putenv flame ware. > > Mr EPS please step forward, wait for it wait for it :-) > > To the poster, if nobody sends you a putenv then get in touch. > Poster here; thanks for the offer, and to all those who helpfully replied. What putenv flame ware? If this thread has a history, I am <blissfully> unaware. Didn't mean to open old battlewounds...
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Overriding Command-Keys Date: 4 Mar 1994 10:12:54 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403041612.AA12242@alleg.EDU> There was a post a little while ago (which I cannot find after extensive looking) which talked about how to use a command key for only some applications. Can someone email me or post how this is done? I've looking without success in the FAQ. Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed Box 931 Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: burns@bellcore.com (James E. Burns) Subject: Reading Mac floppy on PLI drive (NeXTCube, 3.2) Message-ID: <BURNS.94Mar3213801@gauss.bellcore.com> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 02:38:01 GMT Well, I haven't had access to a Mac for over a year, but now I need to read some Mac disks. I am using a NeXTCube (040) running 3.2 with a PLI SuperFloppy 2.8 drive. I used to be able to do this in 92, so when I got MEDIA ERRORs, I replaced /usr/etc/disk and /usr/filesystems/mac.fs with the 3.0 version. Still no dice. Any help out there? jim burns -- James E. Burns burns@nova.bellcore.com Bellcore, NVC-3X114 Off: (908) 758-2819 331 Newman Springs Road Fax: (908) 758-4371 Red Bank, NJ 07701-5699, USA Home: (908) 219-6561
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: HELP: Printer fails to eject page Message-ID: <CM5HEn.1x2@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 17:18:22 GMT Three of our NeXT black & white printers have this problem: They start printing fine, but when the printed page comes through the back rollers of the printer, it only advances into the out hopper up to 90% of its length and the page stays hanging from the last 10% of its length being hold by the rollers (? guess) . As consequence when the next page prints it finds the other one hanging around and trigers the "printer is jammed" message. We would greatly appreciate if anybody can help us with suggestion to remedy this problem. Anxiously waiting for any replies, and Thanking everybody in advance, --john ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Fred_Haibach@brown.edu (Fred Haibach) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTstep developers Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 4 Mar 1994 17:42:14 GMT Organization: Dept of Chemistry/Brown University Message-ID: <Fred_Haibach-040394123857@dollmac.chem.brown.edu> I have a friend who is interested into getting into NeXTstep development. He asked me to post the question: "Are there any NeXTstep developers in KC area and how can I get in touch with them?" Please send facts and rumors to: Fred_Haibach@brown.edu (No NeXTmail please) FgH...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: FYI: Simson L. Garfinkel Message-ID: <CM5Ht9.377@ucdavis.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 17:27:07 GMT This posting does not have so much to do with NeXT as it does with the author of probably the most popular NEXTSTEP programming books, "NeXTSTEP PROGRAMMING STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Applications". By the way, does anyone know if Simson Garfinkel is planning a STEP TWO? Anyways, from his own words, as printed in comp.risks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 16:50:16 -0500 From: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) Subject: RISK of computer-controlled landings I was on one of the few aircraft to land in the Boston blizzard today. There was zero visibility. When we hit the runway (ouch!), the plane veered back and forth, slipping on the ice, apparently working differential thrust. After we landed, the pilot said "in case anybody is interested, you are in one of the few Northwest Airbus 320's capable of landing itself, which it just did." And I thought, "oh, wow." And I wondered which would have been RISKier: landing on autopilot, or landing on human pilot. ------------------------------
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.dsp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Final Call - Ariel IRCAM Signal Processing Workstation & QuintProcessor Date: 4 Mar 1994 18:20:55 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l7u67$7ea@agate.berkeley.edu> [Reprinted from: "An Ariel View" newsletter, Vol.5 issue 1, Winter'94 without permission.] Final Call - ISPW & QuintProcessor The NeXT is dead and so are NeXT plug-in cards. This is unfortunate because Ariel offers two NeXT plug-in cards - the ISPW and the QuintProcessor. Not surprisingly, it has become impossible to find NeXT-specific ASICs necessary to build NeXT plug-in boards. The ISPW, or IRCAM Signal Processing Workstation, is a dual-i860 RISC coprocessor card for the NeXT Cube developed at IRCAM, a French research institute and world leader in the field of computer music. The ISPW is used everyday by musicians at IRCAM for complex sound synthesis and audio processing. IRCAM has developed powerful software to support the ISPW. In particular, "Max", created by Miller Puckette, provides a powerful (and elegantly simple) block-diagram based algorithm development tool. The second plug-in board, cleverly named the QuintProcessor because of its five Motorola DSP56001's, has been embraced by the computer music department at Stanford (CCRMA). David Jaffe at CCRMA has ported the NeXT "sound kit" utility to take advantage of all five DSPs. Great hardware, great software. Great products. It's a pity that they're dead. Since we can't get parts, we've no choice but to do a final build. We'll take orders and ship on a first come, first- serve basis. Ariel Corp. 433 River Road Highland Park, NJ 08904 (908) 249-2900 Fax: (908) 249-2123 BBS: (908) 249-2124 email: ariel@ariel.com -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Problems with getting FrameMaker PS to print elsewhere Date: 3 Mar 1994 21:15:37 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2l5gh9$dp@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <1994Feb25.185838.4056@cyantic.com> <1994Feb28.165820.22276@altsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: >Try this: > * Save your PS file using the 'chosen printer/include fonts' > option. >I believe you will have greater success using this method. No. That does not work either. FrameMaker 3.0 for NS has a bug/feature, even if you select 'chosen printer/include fonts' FrameMaker does _not_ include them. Workarounds: 1. Make a RTF document with Edit.app using all the additional fonts you use in your FrameMaker document. Make a printfile with fonts included. Open the FM PS file and the Edit PS file in Edit as PS-ASCII text. Then copy all included fonts from Edit's PS file into the FM file at the corresponding location. or 2. Open the FM PS printfile with Preview.app or Tailor.app and _save it once again_ into a printfile, of course with the 'include fonts' option. This should add the required fonts, too. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Veni, vidi, NeXTSTEPi.
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Scene_movies Date: 4 Mar 1994 14:29:06 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403042030.AA12466@dcs.shef.ac.uk> References: <2l4ejg$eo0@nic-nac.CSU.net> > spagiola@leland.stanford.edu writes (in comp.sys.misc) > > Eric P. Scott writes > > Actually, the "movies" are just PostScript programs; they can be > > run from the command line using > > > > pft -p -s -f /full/path/to/file > > Thanks for the info. Now I can throw out that old copy > of Scene I kept around just to be able to play those old > "movies." > Umm, not quite -- the most fun ones, eagle and fish, don't work. Anyone any idea where the "run" command is defined? > I suspect it would be straight-forward to write a mini-app > that would simply take the old "movies" if they're > double-clicked or dropped onto its icon and pass them > onto the command above. If I knew anything about > programming, I might even do it :-) > Sound like a neat thing to make into a Backspace module -- an even more dynamic loadable module! Have fun, mmalcolm.
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Play3401 for CD300's? Date: 4 Mar 1994 22:01:09 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2l8b35$ape@steffi.demon.co.uk> Has anybody taken Carl's Play3401 code and made the necessary modifications for it to work with Apple CD 300's? -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Lexi.font? Message-ID: <1994Mar4.212527.9115@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:25:27 GMT What is /Next/Library/Fonts/Lexi.font, and why doesn't it show up in my font panel? -- Nathan Janette Voice: 203 432 5065 Systems Manager Fax: 203 432 3923 Brunger Lab Internet: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Yale Univ Dept MB&B/HHMI "I'm a NeXTstep Man, I'm a NeXTcube Guy"
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: 5 Mar 1994 00:48:41 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I am wondering what the breakeven time is for leaving NeXTs on as opposed to turning them off. For example, is it better in terms of wear and tear to turn them off at night or to leave them on, even if they are not being used? Somebody told me 72 hours, but this seems awfully long. I am speaking specifically of the monochrome NeXTStation. Thanks for your help. Jim Beauchamp UIUC
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift, Inc.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Lexi.font? Date: 5 Mar 1994 01:08:33 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l8m2i$5qe@inxs.concert.net> References: <1994Mar4.212527.9115@cs.yale.edu> In article <1994Mar4.212527.9115@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > What is /Next/Library/Fonts/Lexi.font, and why doesn't it show > up in my font panel? > Nathan, doesn't WordPerfect install that Lexi.font? Dave -- Paradigm Shift, Inc. (919) 682-8553 [Voice] A NeXT Object Channel Member (919) 682-1126 [Fax] NeXTMail Welcomed (temporary domain) info@paradigm-shift.com
From: jeddak@panix.com (Jonathan Donald) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: curses under NS 3.0??? Date: 4 Mar 1994 21:28:19 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2l8qo3$p3p@panix.com> So I've got this here curses.h header, but when I try to compile a simple curses program (using cc -lcurses {sourcename} I get: /bin/ld: Undefined symbols: _initscr _newwin _box _wmove _waddstr _wrefresh _wgetch _werase _delwin _endwin What am I missing ??? Help, please!!! jd
From: jeddak@panix.com (Jonathan Donald) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.2 vs. 3.0 on BLACK Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 4 Mar 1994 21:30:22 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2l8qru$pdu@panix.com> References: <CLy3Iq.3qI@bldrdoc.gov> Eric (eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov) wrote: : I have a lone NeXT (turbo color, adb) in a hetero net (hpux, sun) and : I'm interested in *WHY* I should upgrade to 3.2 from 3.0. Good question. Standalone users have been neglected in favor of gigundo corporate clients. <Sigh!>
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Lexi.font? Date: 5 Mar 1994 03:07:37 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l8t1p$k7e@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2l8m2i$5qe@inxs.concert.net> In article <2l8m2i$5qe@inxs.concert.net> info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift, Inc.) writes: >In article <1994Mar4.212527.9115@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu >(Nathan F. Janette) writes: >> What is /Next/Library/Fonts/Lexi.font, and why doesn't it show >> up in my font panel? >> >Nathan, doesn't WordPerfect install that Lexi.font? No. It's used by Webster.app, probably for some strange symbols used in dictionaries. Look at the PS files generated by Webster. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: pcteoh00@mik.uky.edu (Pek Chan Teoh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] /dev/ttyp? mode Date: 5 Mar 94 04:35:02 GMT Organization: University of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Message-ID: <pcteoh00.762842102@mik.uky.edu> Hi. I have encountered a weird situation when using my NeXT account. My /dev/ttyp? mode will change to crwx-w---- instead of crw--w---- when I login. Remotely or from Console. By the way, our system deafult setting is crw--w----. I checked all my startup files, .login, .cshrc, ... etc, none of them issued a chmod to the /dev/ttyp?. I did a whole system check and I was the only one who has this kind mode for /dev/ttyp?. What is going on? Can someone please help? Thanks in advance. -- <<< I Think, Therefore I Confused. >>> ** pcteoh00@mik.uky.edu (NeXT mails okay) * Pek Chan, TEOH ** ** University of Kentucky * VIP (Very Ignorant Person) **
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: curses under NS 3.0??? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 5 Mar 1994 05:05:30 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2l93uq$3ru@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2l8qo3$p3p@panix.com> In article <2l8qo3$p3p@panix.com> jeddak@panix.com (Jonathan Donald) writes: > but when I try to compile >a simple curses program (using cc -lcurses {sourcename} I get: >/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: Files are examined in the order specified, so libraries need to come AFTER source files. See curses(3x) for an example. Followups to comp.sys.next.programmer. -=EPS=-
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] /dev/ttyp? mode Followup-To: comp.unix.questions Date: 5 Mar 1994 05:18:35 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2l94nb$4f5@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <pcteoh00.762842102@mik.uky.edu> In article <pcteoh00.762842102@mik.uky.edu> pcteoh00@mik.uky.edu (Pek Chan Teoh) writes: >My /dev/ttyp? mode will change to crwx-w---- instead of crw--w---- when >I login. Remotely or from Console. It's been "biffed." [man biff] Followups to comp.unix.questions. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: burns@nova.bellcore.com (James E. Burns) Subject: Re: Reading Mac floppy on PLI drive (NeXTCube, 3.2) In-Reply-To: burns@bellcore.com's message of Fri, 4 Mar 1994 02:38:01 GMT Message-ID: <BURNS.94Mar4212111@wildcat.nova.bellcore.com> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communication Research References: <BURNS.94Mar3213801@gauss.bellcore.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 02:21:11 GMT OK, maybe the problem was that I was using an 800K disk. The 1.44 (HD) seems to work fine. I don't recall that limitation, but it has been over a year. jim burns -- James E. Burns burns@nova.bellcore.com Bellcore, NVC-3X114 Off: (908) 758-2819 331 Newman Springs Road Fax: (908) 758-4371 Red Bank, NJ 07701-5699, USA Home: (908) 219-6561
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Overriding Command-Keys In-Reply-To: luomat@alleg.EDU's message of 4 Mar 1994 10:12:54 -0600 To: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar4131531@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <9403041612.AA12242@alleg.EDU> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:15:30 GMT In article <9403041612.AA12242@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: There was a post a little while ago (which I cannot find after extensive looking) which talked about how to use a command key for only some applications. Can someone email me or post how this is done? I've looking without success in the FAQ. I believe this is the article you are looking for. In article <1gdv1jINN4sr@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: Aaarrggghh, all convenient command keys equivalents are already taken by apps like Edit and Mail, and I don't have any more key equivalents to give to a service provider application. Is there a way to remove a specific command key equivalent on a app-by-app basis, so I can give that to a service ? I know I can do this by editing .nib files, but am looking for a way that does not mess with bundled app files -- possibly via dwrites. Note that I do not want to disable a particular command key for an app. I would like to take it off from normal menu items of an app, so it can appear instead on an item in Services menu. The dwrite you want is NXCommandKeys. My NewsGrazer NXCommandKeys should demonstrate how it works. dwrite NewsGrazer NXCommandKeys "Help...,.,Next,.,Previous,., \ Next with subject,.,Previous with subject,.,Posts in Progress...,., \ Followup to post,.,Reply by mail,.,Filter Author,.,Filter Subject,., \ Filter Account,.,Show article...,.,Sort by title,.,Sort by number,., \ Record read articles,.,NewsFolders...,M,Mark articles read,y" Tested under 2.x and 3.0. [And 3.1 and 3.2] Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Reading Mac floppy on PLI drive (NeXTCube, 3.2) Message-ID: <CM6LA6.CFF@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <BURNS.94Mar3213801@gauss.bellcore.com> <BURNS.94Mar4212111@wildcat.nova.bellcore.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 07:39:42 GMT In article <BURNS.94Mar4212111@wildcat.nova.bellcore.com> burns@nova.bellcore.com (James E. Burns) writes: > >OK, maybe the problem was that I was using an 800K disk. The 1.44 (HD) >seems to work fine. I don't recall that limitation, but it has been >over a year. There was always that limitation on the 2.88 PLI floppy. You simply could not read/write Mac disk. There was a smaller capacity drive (not from PLI, but I'm not sure at this point) which did read them. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Date: 04 Mar 1994 18:38:00 +0100 From: damian@beatnik.pfm-mainz.de (Damian Lippok) Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <5KCCDpQmDfB@beatnik.pfm-mainz.de> References: <2l3e0i$esr@access3.digex.net> Subject: Re: Looking for a good graphics arts program... > Another question... are there any good CHEAP graphics arts / illustration > programs out there for any of the three platofrms (PC, NeXT and Mac)? (...) > > So what's good out there? I really doubt I need the power of > Illustrator. But I do need to do more than just draw circles. > At least rotate and manipulate objects in various ways. > > - hacker Corel Draw 3.0 shouldn't be too expensive - now that 4.0 ist out... It's about the best I've seen in PC-based graphic design programs and should cost between $100 and $150. Bye dl - Damian Lippok damian@beatnik.pfm-mainz.de Hermann-Loens-Str.27 55126 MAINZ ## CrossPoint v2.93 ##
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kevins@bmd.com Subject: Re: Looking for a good graphics arts program... Message-ID: <1994Mar5.060302.8975@bMD.com> Sender: kevins@bMD.com (Kevin Solie) Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. (Lex., KY) References: <2l3e0i$esr@access3.digex.net> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 06:03:02 GMT In article <2l3e0i$esr@access3.digex.net> hacker@access3.digex.net (Dark Hacker) writes: > Geeze I've got so many things in the queue right now it isn't funny. > Another question... are there any good CHEAP graphics arts / illustration > programs out there for any of the three platofrms (PC, NeXT and Mac)? > > > So what's good out there? I really doubt I need the power of > Illustrator. But I do need to do more than just draw circles. > At least rotate and manipulate objects in various ways. > What the heck! Go for a Virtuoso-TIFFany combo ;^) -- Man, that needle was really starting to piss me off! Kevin Solie -- Man, that needle was really starting to piss me off!
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: More on the Cowboy Cheerleaders Date: 5 Mar 1994 11:26:23 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l9q8v$lo7@news.iastate.edu> Alex Nghiem asked me to post this, as he has "read only" on his news feed" In comp.sys.next.misc article <2kemec$iit@news.iastate.edu> you wrote: > Denise Blakeley writes > []Has anyone else noticed this? > [] > []In the index of Nghiem's "NeXTSTEP Programming--Concepts and > Applications" > []book, the first entry under 'D' is 'Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders xvi'. > []Intrigued as to how the cheerleaders fit in with NeXTSTEP programming, I > turned > []to page xvi. No mention! > [] > []Was Alex just checking to see if anyone caught it? :-) > [] > > Well, in my copy of the book the reference is to xxxiv (page 34 of the > preface) and there is indeed a mention there, the very end of the > acknowledgments. > > Hmmmm....getting to teach the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders..... Perhaps > going into Academia has promises I did not anticipate.... > > TLM Tom, Denise: I fully intended to make an entry in the index for the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders in hope that others would see it. Unfortunately, I messed up the index for the Roman pages (i through xxxiv, if I recall correctly). This was corrected in the second printing of the book along with other typos. Incidentally, you're right. Teaching the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders (and performing with them) has little to do with NeXTSTEP. But, it was one of the many ways of preserving my sanity while working on the book. :) And, as you mentioned, it was certainly NOT something that I anticipated when I entered this business! Alex ******************************************************************* * Object Lesson, Inc. (817) 473-3093 * * alex@oolesson.com (NeXTMail) 75040.3647@compuserve.com * ******************************************************************* Object Lesson Inc. is a Dallas-based corporation that specializes in helping clients reduce costs through mentoring in OO technology (NeXTSTEP, Smalltalk and C++). Please contact us for a free brochure. -- Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: david@colossus.pfm-mainz.de (David Andel) Subject: NeXTstations are back! Message-ID: <CM6x3A.24M@colossus.pfm-mainz.de> Sender: david@colossus.pfm-mainz.de (David Andel) Organization: WiNG (Wiesbaden NEXTSTEP Group) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 11:54:45 GMT Look at comp.sys.next.announce! >As part of the arrangement, NeXT has granted CCSI (Canon Computer System, >Inc.) the use of the NeXTstation trademark and will be working with CCSI >as a strategic original equipment manufacturer. > Are they black? How about a cube-designed PC? Well I'm simply exited about this message. Hopefully we'll see them in the next issue of NeXTWORLD. >The company [...] has no plans to produce a PowerPC-based machine >optimized for NEXTSTEP in 1994. > I guess the port is not yet finished. >[...] assembly and testing facility in Memphis, Tenn. > So that is the reason, they sold the original NeXT's Fremont factory. >CCSI's Advanced Technologies Operation business unit has already begun to >initiate direct sales efforts with Fortune 1000 customer sites [...] > Looks like we were all prophets and not fools concerning our rely on NEXTSTEP. Great News to begin my day! -- ____________________________________________________________________ David Andel | InterNet: david@colossus.pfm-mainz.de | WiNG-Wiesbaden Wiesbaden | (NeXTMail: Try to add your 64x64.tiff | NEXTSTEP Group Germany | for my LocalLibrary/Images/People!!!) | -------------- ____________________________________________________________________
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CDPlayer behaviour with CD300's wierd. Date: 5 Mar 1994 14:20:19 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2la4f3$c0@steffi.demon.co.uk> I'm getting some truely strange behaviour with CDPlayer.app and an Apple CD300. Some times it works fine and will play (I've never seen CDPlayer autolaunch yet) However, more often I get this on the console. (when I insert an audio CD) sd1 (2,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (2,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) sd1 (2,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (2,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 4 (no valid label) sd1 (2,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (2,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 8 (no valid label) sd1 (2,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (2,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 12 (no valid label) DISK UNFORMATTED Disk is Write Protected probing for CDROM probing for DOS probing for mac NOTE the CD is target 2 at the moment. The Release notes just stipulate the both 0 and 1 should be used for anything if CDPlayer is to work. Currently my harddrive is 1 with nothing as 0. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ericw@its.com (Eric Wespestad) Subject: Re: Looking for a good graphics arts program... Message-ID: <1994Mar4.200012.3927@its.com> Sender: usenet@its.com Organization: Information Technology Solutions References: <2l3e0i$esr@access3.digex.net> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:00:12 GMT In article <2l3e0i$esr@access3.digex.net> hacker@access3.digex.net (Dark Hacker) writes: > ...are there any good CHEAP graphics arts / illustration > programs out there for any of the three platofrms (PC, > NeXT and Mac)? Try looking at these: *** WetPaint Lighthouse Design, Inc. info@lighthouse.com *** Create Stone Design, Inc. info@stone.com ***** Virtuoso Altsys, Inc. altsys!lorin_rivers@uunet.UU.NET If I recall right, they're listed above in order of ascending cost.
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer behaviour with CD300's wierd. Date: 5 Mar 1994 14:33:29 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2la57p$h0@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2la4f3$c0@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >The Release notes just stipulate the both 0 and 1 should be used for OOPS that should be ^ not So I'm using 1 harddrive, 2 CD. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl!toon (Toon Moene) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SDformat users : Confirmation.. Message-ID: <793@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: 5 Mar 94 16:17:26 GMT References: <2l4kda$ko@steffi.demon.co.uk> Sender: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Maartensdijk, The Netherlands In article <2l4kda$ko@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > Well I will be sdformatting tomorrow and I want to make sure > everything goes smoothly. > > Here's what I plan to do. > > 1. Backup (backup software will be on floppy :-)) > 2. sdformat -i1 -u0 -b1024 -f > 3. Do a complete install from the 3.2 bootdisk and CD-ROM's > 4. Restore selected files. > > This sound ok? Actually what I did a month ago (I left out the -u0 option, but that's minor). Works like a charm. You'll have some problem actually bringing the system to halt when there's no OS on the main HD, but it will do in the end :-) Don't expect too much of speed improvement from it - I didn't notice any. It was handy, though, that I'd saved all sorts of interesting stuff on floppies, because two weeks later my hard disk went astray ... -- Toon Moene (toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl) Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands Phone: +31 3461 4290; Fax: +31 3461 4286 No Disclaimer: I claim, therefore I am.
From: sikes@nic.cerf.net (Terry Sikes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Date: 5 Mar 1994 18:44:21 GMT Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Message-ID: <2laju5$o6n@news.cerf.net> References: <2l0n2q$gp0@nkosi.well.com> <DJC.94Mar2095358@puck.fnbc.com> <CM2y9L.JA8@utstat.toronto.edu> <DJC.94Mar3141223@puck.fnbc.com> In article <DJC.94Mar3141223@puck.fnbc.com> djc@puck.fnbc.com (Dan Crimmins) writes: >Philip McDunnough writes: >the last thing we need is more hyper-reactive regulation such as California's >zero-emissions initiative that will cost taxpayers outrageous amounts of >money for marginal benefits while the real culprits (chemical processing >plants, deisel-powered trucks with no emissions control, etc) escape unnoticed. My tendency is to agree with this, simply because I feel that the government is already more involved in my life than I would prefer, and is consuming more money and resources than it should by a long shot. (Has anyone done an analysis of greenhouse gasses produced by politicians lately? ;) The solution to this (and many other problems) is for people to be responsible citizens. My monitor already has a wonderful energy-saving device - its called an 'off switch'. If people would simply bother to use them, they work quite well. After all, my monitor draws 10 watts less in this state than the 'Energy Star' versions would in 'sleep mode'. Lets not forget that the government is being forced to upgrade all of their computers to 'Energy Star' varieties...now *that* sounds inexpensive! Try to remember that even now if you simply think to power down your equipment when its not being used, you are helping the environment. If you must leave your computer running continuously, so be it...the monitor is a worse culprit anyway. Besides, its better for your monitor to be turned off when not in use - which is not the case with your computer, unless you won't be using it for an extended period. PMJI, I just had to get my $.02 in... -- Terry Sikes | All I want is a baseline 1/1/1 machine: Primary address: sikes@fatcity.com | 1000 MIPS, 1000 MB RAM, and 1000 GB HD. Also tlsikes@bix.com, tsikes@aol.com | All my opinions reflect my views only!| Is that too much to ask?
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SDformat users : Confirmation.. Date: 6 Mar 1994 00:58:13 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2lb9r5$rq@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2l4kda$ko@steffi.demon.co.uk> <793@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl!toon (Toon Moene) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >In article <2l4kda$ko@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk >(Robert Nicholson) writes: >> Well I will be sdformatting tomorrow and I want to make sure >> everything goes smoothly. >> >> Here's what I plan to do. >> >> 1. Backup (backup software will be on floppy :-)) >> 2. sdformat -i1 -u0 -b1024 -f >> 3. Do a complete install from the 3.2 bootdisk and CD-ROM's >> 4. Restore selected files. >> >> This sound ok? > >Actually what I did a month ago (I left out the -u0 option, but that's >minor). Works like a charm. You'll have some problem actually bringing the >system to halt when there's no OS on the main HD, but it will do in the >end :-) Don't laugh but here's what I did. I did a sdformat (I wasn't even in single user mode, mental lapse) then I interrupted the sdformat because I was too impatient and I wasn't sure it was working. Well it was working. Fortunately I had a last minute idea to copy sdformat onto a floppy before I tried. So I just had to boot single user from the 3.2 boot disk and try sdformat again. Phew.... -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTstations are back! Date: 6 Mar 1994 02:16:25 GMT Organization: /etc/organization Message-ID: <2lbedp$dmi@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <CM6x3A.24M@colossus.pfm-mainz.de> In article <CM6x3A.24M@colossus.pfm-mainz.de> david@colossus.pfm-mainz.de (David Andel) writes: >Look at comp.sys.next.announce! > >>As part of the arrangement, NeXT has granted CCSI (Canon Computer System, >>Inc.) the use of the NeXTstation trademark and will be working with CCSI >>as a strategic original equipment manufacturer. This is pretty much old news. Canon has been selling 486 "NeXTstation" in Japan for about 8 months. The trademark must have been granted for use in Japan long ago. Now the US subsidiary also got the right to do it. The ones sold there have been basically the Intel GX/Pro, but the new version to be sold in the US may be an entirely different machine. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTmail OK)
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SDformat users : Confirmation.. Date: 6 Mar 1994 02:22:49 GMT Organization: /etc/organization Message-ID: <2lbepp$dp6@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2l4kda$ko@steffi.demon.co.uk> <793@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> <2lb9r5$rq@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2lb9r5$rq@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > >I did a sdformat (I wasn't even in single user mode, mental lapse) >then I interrupted the sdformat because I was too impatient and I >wasn't sure it was working. > >Well it was working. Right. Don't interrupt low-level format. Figure 30min/GB for the approx time it will take. So, 2 GB drive will require 1 hour for the low-level format to finish. Give plenty of time before considering interrupting. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTmail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.misc From: walters@corndog.id.com (Chris Walters) Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Message-ID: <1994Mar6.025022.14612@corndog.id.com> Organization: UBS Securities References: <2l6c0l$m5j@galaxy.ucr.edu> Distribution: inet Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 02:50:22 GMT weare@galaxy.ucr.edu (christopher weare) writes: > So, to get 8 tracks simultaneously and cheaply your best bet is either the > ADAT or DA88. To get the audio to the computer you will need either an > AV mac or similar or a sound card ala audio media. I don't fully understand the issues involved, but here is an idea. What about using 8 stations equipped with Digital Ears, one for each track. Then mix the result into a final sound. 8 used stations with Digital Ears might be less money than one of those fancy DA88 or ADATS (how much are they?), plus you can use them for word processing, etc. when you are done. What am I missing? Clue wanted. :-) -- Chris -- Chris Walters 13711 Rosetree Court UBS Securities Chantilly, VA 22030 walters@id.com (703)742-0470,(703)742-0471 FAX ------------------------- Hack Naked --------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: boonlow@kits.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) Subject: Xwindows for NSFIP ? Message-ID: <boonlow.762941778@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca (seymour news) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 08:16:18 GMT * Hey guys, Any idea where I can get X-windows for NeXTSTEP for Intel ? I downloaded X11R5-MouseX and realize that it's for black hardware only. ;-( Need it desparately to finish some stats analysis which needs Xwin... Thanks alot, Ben.
From: elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: 6 Mar 1994 13:04:06 -0600 Organization: Proxima, Inc. Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403061853.AA14933@proxima.com> In article <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> you wrote: > I am wondering what the breakeven time is for leaving NeXTs on as opposed to > turning them off. I have an original NeXT cube which apart from a few power outages and the time necessary to upgrade has been running non-stop for several years. No problems other than some failed OD's. I have it around for keepsake more than anything. -- Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) 506.1661 Systems Engineer McLean, VA elitman+@proxima.com echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: CDDA on an Apple CD300 under NS3.2? Date: 6 Mar 1994 18:46:52 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2ld8es$dv@steffi.demon.co.uk> Has anybody got CDDA going with a CD300 under NS3.2? The cd driver is complaining with the following when I try to perform the read. sd1 (6,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (6,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 12 (no valid label) DISK UNFORMATTED Disk is Write Protected sd1 (6,0): ERROR op:0xd8 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (6,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x24 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: sikes@nic.cerf.net (Terry Sikes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cmsg cancel <2ldcce$5fb@news.cerf.net> Control: cancel <2ldcce$5fb@news.cerf.net> Date: 6 Mar 1994 20:02:55 GMT Organization: CERFnet Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ldctf$61k@news.cerf.net> <2ldcce$5fb@news.cerf.net> was cancelled from within trn. -- Terry Sikes | All I want is a baseline 1/1/1 machine: Primary address: sikes@fatcity.com | 1000 MIPS, 1000 MB RAM, and 1000 GB HD. Also tlsikes@bix.com, tsikes@aol.com | All my opinions reflect my views only!| Is that too much to ask?
From: sikes@nic.cerf.net (Terry Sikes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTstep eval revisited Date: 6 Mar 1994 20:07:29 GMT Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ldd61$67q@news.cerf.net> Keywords: NeXTstep/i video sound system config I posted the following a few days ago, but didn't get much of a response. In fact, the only information I gained was that there were 8-bit drivers for Soundblaster (original Soundblaster, not SB16..not too interesting). So, I thought I'd try again with comp.sys.next.misc as part of the mix. Also, rather than requesting a post to the newsgroup only, I decided to also solicit E-mail responses at tsikes@fatcity.com. My CERF account is going away in a few days. One question I have is: Do NeXT employees read these groups? I haven't particularly been watching for them, but I don't recall seeing too many .sigs with NeXT Inc. in them. Could anyone recommend an E-mail address for someone at NeXT who might be able to help with these questions? By the way, extra points for high-end video card suggestions that also have high-quality NT drivers. Anyway, here's the old post, sorry for the wasted bandwidth: =============================================================================== I'm considering evaluating NeXTstep, and have read over the FAQs. My current system consists of: Amptron (clone) 486/66 VL motherboard, 256K cache 20 MB RAM Orchid Farenheit VL w/1 MB video RAM Ultrastor 34f VLB SCSI-2 controller 1 GB SCSI-2 disk Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM Soundblaster 16 ASP Viewsonic 17 monitor (not the G, and highly recommended). As I see it the main showstopper right now is the Ultrastor 34f controller. I've been very happy with this controller (under NT), are there any current or planned drivers? Also, how well will the Farenheit work? I didn't see it explicitly listed, but S3 805 is a supported chip. Can anyone report their experiences? Ultimately, I'd like to go to 16 or 32 bit color at 1280x1024. Can anyone recommend a card that will support these well under NS? What is the situation with PCI support? What support for PCI SCSI controllers is available or planned? What is the level of current support for Soundblaster 16 (ASP), as well as the Waveblaster daughtercard? Does it included sampling as well as playback? It seems to me that if NS/i is going to succeed in any great measure, many more drivers are needed than are currently available... Comments? Sorry if some of these are covered adequately in the FAQs...I missed it if that was the case. =============================================================================== -- Terry Sikes | All I want is a baseline 1/1/1 machine: Primary address: sikes@fatcity.com | 1000 MIPS, 1000 MB RAM, and 1000 GB HD. Also tlsikes@bix.com, tsikes@aol.com | All my opinions reflect my views only!| Is that too much to ask?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: Adding APPLICATIONS to the Tools Inspector Message-ID: <1994Mar6.202558.20983@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:25:58 GMT Hi, I'm sure this is a simple question, but amazingly I couldn't find the answer up to now in the help, manuals, etc. My problem: How do I _add_ applications to the WorkSpace ToolsInspector, as appears with <Command>3. I know how to set the default tool. But to give an example: when I select a .ps file, I can choose between Preview and Edit. How to get Yapp as a third possibility. I will summarize, so you can reply by E-mail. Willem -- W i l l e m v a n S c h a i k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philips TASS schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fusion Double CD 16 Message-ID: <INEK400.1.762988188@nkhoury.oit.iupui.edu> From: INEK400@nkhoury.oit.iupui.edu (Nadim El-Khoury) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 21:09:48 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis I have a DELL 433DE it is a 486 33Mhz EISA bus. I have Pro Audio Spectrum 16 Sound Adapter and NEC CDR-55JD CD ROM that is atached to it. When I try to install NS3.2 I get the following NO SCSI or CD-ROM Connected. Has Anyone run into this problem. DO I need a special driver to be able to install the NS3.2. IF I do how Do I get it onto the INstallation Diskette. I would appreciate all the help on this matter. Thank YOu Nadim El-KHoury Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis INEK400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: 2 IDE's, 1 SCSI- HOW??? Message-ID: <CM9FKL.E8F@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:29:08 GMT I have NS/I installed on the first IDE of a PC. This drive is partitioned into a 10meg DOS unit and a 330meg NS partition. The other IDE hard drive is DOS (340meg's). I recently added a 1gig SCSI drive and I've had nothing but hassles. The SCSI drive is currently formatted as a NS only drive, as I can't partition it and that's ok anyway. But, I am unable to create any user accounts on the drive! If I do then they lose their ownership and group identities. Is there a trick here? I'd like to have all users with their accounts on the SCSI drive but have the NS system on the first IDE drive where I can decide into which OS I wish to boot. This is a 4th request. Perhaps this is a simple matter, but it sure doesn't seem that way to me! I have read the installing NS to a SCSI when there is an IDE drive document (1487_Booting_From_An ...) in Nextanswers. Incidentally, if I move myself to the hard drive then it becomes damaged, and I then have to repair it. Please reply via e-mail, if possible. The SCSI drive is a Seagate31200N if that's an issue. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@cs.stanford.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Colour printer problems Date: 6 Mar 1994 21:00:02 GMT Organization: Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ldg8i$hlu@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> We have two NeXT Colour printers in Residential Computing at Stanford and we are having a problem. We have colour PostScript files we want to print. The display perfectly well on the screen with "Preview.app", but when printed on the printer they come out about ten times too dark -- the highlights appear as mid-tones and everything else appears solid black. There is nothing inherently wrong with the printer itself -- pages printed from an application like ImageViewer come out fine. Is there some secret command line option to "lpr" to control how colour is printed? Is there some Postscript pre-amble to tell the printer how to print the colours? The Postscript files in question come from Macs, but don't flame me just yet -- the fact that Preview manages to displays them perfectly shows that whatever may be wrong with them is not irredemable. Any suggestions? Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@cs.stanford.edu> * <A HREF="file://brubeck.stanford.edu/www/cheshire-bio.html">WWW</A> * Stanford Distributed Systems Group Research Assistant * Escondido Village Resident Computer Coordinator * Macintosh Programmer
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From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Date: 6 Mar 1994 23:54:09 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2ldqf1$2so@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1994Mar6.025022.14612@corndog.id.com> In article <1994Mar6.025022.14612@corndog.id.com> walters@corndog.id.com (Chris Walters) writes: >weare@galaxy.ucr.edu (christopher weare) writes: >> So, to get 8 tracks simultaneously and cheaply your best bet is either the >> ADAT or DA88. To get the audio to the computer you will need either an >> AV mac or similar or a sound card ala audio media. > >I don't fully understand the issues involved, but here is an idea. > >What about using 8 stations equipped with Digital Ears, one for >each track. Then mix the result into a final sound. 8 used stations >with Digital Ears might be less money than one of those fancy DA88 >or ADATS (how much are they?), plus you can use them for word >processing, etc. when you are done. That would be too messy because you will have a hell of a problem synchronizing samples from all the channels or channel pairs. I don't think AV mac or any of standard audio cards for PC's or Macs can be a solution because most will typically handle only two channels. The SSI port (synchronous serial interface) of DSP56001 on the NeXT can abosorb 8-channel CD quaility sound stream (44.1kHz at 16-bit/channel) at ~5.7Mbits/sec. This is pretty close to the limit of the port however. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a commercially available box that does that. However, it won't be that hard to build such hardware. Getting 8-channels into DSP can be done, but I don't know if the DMA stream from DSP to host can sustain 5.7Mbits/sec stream. If you don't need 44.1kHz sampling rate, e.g., if you could get away with 22.05kHz, then you shouldn't have much trouble. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Backquote Problems Date: 6 Mar 1994 18:26:48 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403070026.AA04779@cantina.lanl.gov> ``Howdy'', There has been a thread going on in CSN.programmer about keymappings, but the following is a bit too simple to inject into that thread. It has to do with how to get the "`" character out when using a 101 Key PC Keyboard and the NextUSA keyboard (as set in Preferences/Localization, i.e., under the flags icon). Well, I have the NextUSA keyboard selected and obviously I can do it, i.e., type a "`". But not until a few minutes ago. My problem was that the "`" key that I can _see_ on my keyboard is the lowercase leftmost of the upper row of keys (my keyboard came with the Epson NX). Hitting it, however, does not type out that character for me. It just beeps at me. What is a bit funny is that, in Edit.app, one tap of that key gave the beep, but in Terminal.app it was silent on the first tap, then beeped on a second tap. Going into Keyboard.app (in NextDeveloper/Demos) and opening NextUSA.keymapping gave me the clue to the workaround. There are actually TWO places on this keyboard/keymapping where "`" appears. The other one is the NumLock key, not exactly obvious, and that's how I did type the "`"'s above. NeXT hid things even better, since when you bring up a keyboard in Preferences/Localization, you just don't SEE what's there on the numerical keypad keys. The App also indicates that, in NextUSA, this key (code 0x29) IS actually blank. (In lowercase; it gives the tilde when the shift key is depressed, same as what's on the keycap). So, I created myNextUSA.keymapping by dragging in the character (ASCII 0x60) from the character code palette. Saving this file, choosing that as my keyboard in Preferences, and rebooting eventually cured the beeps of the `State of Washington' key whose keycap says "`" and "~". [I say "eventually" here because, I swear, it didn't seem to cure it at first and then, just as I was about to send off this posting, it did. Explain that one to me, somebody!] And another crazy thing: launching Keyboard.app by double-clicking on myNextUSA.keymapping brings up only a partial display -- look, Ma, no keyboard! I consider this a buggy affair, not cool. But then, NeXT would say it's only a demo. Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kevins@bmd.com Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Message-ID: <1994Mar6.234059.8250@bMD.com> Sender: kevins@bMD.com (Kevin Solie) Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. (Lex., KY) References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 23:40:59 GMT In article <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: > I am wondering what the breakeven time is for leaving NeXTs on as opposed to > turning them off. For example, is it better in terms of wear and tear to turn > them off at night or to leave them on, even if they are not being used? > > Somebody told me 72 hours, but this seems awfully long. > > I am speaking specifically of the monochrome NeXTStation. > > Thanks for your help. > > Jim Beauchamp > UIUC I've had mine on for almost 2 years now. --- Kevin Solie Director of Development: benchMark Developments, Inc. Director: Kentucky NeXTSTEP Users Group Software Engineer: Alternate Worlds Technology -- Man, that needle was really starting to piss me off!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: salmon@oodis01.hill.af.mil (GS-12 Keith E. Salmon Mr; OO-ALC/LIWBB) Subject: NeXTMail Message-ID: <CM9s20.IrL@oodis01.hill.af.mil> Organization: Hill AFB Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 00:58:47 GMT Was just wondering if anyone knew if NeXTMail saves 'sent' messages somewhere that can be brought back up and resent again and again if so desired. Thanks. Keith Salmon Aerospace Engineer 545 Test Group Hill Air Force Base, Utah salmon@lgb.hill.af.mil (NeXTMail preferred)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Seeking Jess Anderson. Date: 7 Mar 1994 12:23:22 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2lf6bq$3c8@steffi.demon.co.uk> -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking Jess Anderson. Date: 7 Mar 1994 12:37:30 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <2lf76a$7ci@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <2lf6bq$3c8@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2lf6bq$3c8@steffi.demon.co.uk>, Robert Nicholson <robert@steffi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) > "No, what?" > "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) Great! -- [Jess Anderson % anderson@doit.wisc.edu % Network Engineering Technology Group] [Systems Engineering Dept % Div of Information Technology % Univ of Wisconsin] [Room 3130 % 1210 West Dayton Street % Madison WI 53706 % Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Force, and fraud, are in war the two cardinal virtues. <----------]
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Date: 7 Mar 1994 07:35:44 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Distribution: inet Message-ID: <9403071337.AA17814@dcs.shef.ac.uk> > > weare@galaxy.ucr.edu (christopher weare) wrote: > > > > What about using 8 stations equipped with Digital Ears, one for > > each track. Then mix the result into a final sound. 8 used > > stations with Digital Ears might be less money than one of those > > fancy DA88or ADATS (how much are they?), plus you can use them for > > wordprocessing, etc. when you are done. > and izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) replied: > That would be too messy because you will have a hell of > a problem synchronizing samples from all the channels or > channel pairs. I don't think AV mac or any of standard > audio cards for PC's or Macs can be a solution because > most will typically handle only two channels. > It might be possible to use say 4 of Ariel's ProPort 656's here, which would probably give better quality than Digital Ears(?), and, if we got a QuintProcessor, we'd be able to get up to 10 channels through the DSP port simultaneously... From what I've heard, however, I'd agree with Izumi here: we need to ensure good synchronisation between all the channels, so unless anyone has a cute way of wiring up a number of Digital Ears etc. it seems that a dedicated 8-track is required (we have almost 8 used stations, though! :-) Izumi continued: > The SSI port (synchronous serial interface) of DSP56001 > on the NeXT can abosorb 8-channel CD quaility sound stream > (44.1kHz at 16-bit/channel) at ~5.7Mbits/sec. This is > pretty close to the limit of the port however. > Unfortunately, I don't think there is a commercially > available box that does that. However, it won't be that > hard to build such hardware. > <gulp!> We'd rather have an off-the-shelf answer! ... which seem to be to record onto an 8-track, and download to disk either all 8 channels simultaneously, or, more realistically, 2 channels at a time. Ariel's DATPort shoves AES/EBU data through to the DSP port on the NeXT (and any other system with a DSP Port), and would be a useful solution. Their DATLink does the same (and with SP/DIF) but direct to SCSI (Ariel even include software for you to hook up the system). For us, this latter *seems* to be the best solution *based on an 8-track tape device* -- assuming the TASCAM (and I've been advised that this is probably better suited to our needs than the ADAT -- comments?) will talk to it (Ariel seemed to think not, but were probably not aware of the AES/EBU and SP/DIF options for the TASCAM)... would anybody care to offer an alternative? [Kent Shephard -- thanks for your suggestion of the Session-8: I presume that this is not a direct-to-disk solution, in which case, given our preference for workstations, we would be beter off with the Ariel solution?] A more radical (! :-) approach (for us) would be to buy a new PC/Mac system which allows direct-to-disk recording in one go. Somebody suggested SADiE from Studio Audio and Video -- does anybody have any other suggestions or comments onthis tack? Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schwett@netcom.com (Mark Schwettmann) Subject: Changine icons and other silliness. Message-ID: <schwettCMArpB.4Bt@netcom.com> Summary: How can I chaange a folder/doc icon in NS/i? Keywords: icons Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:48:47 GMT Hi All! Now that I've gotten all oft he serious problems out of the way, is there any way I can change the icon of a file under NS/I? I have the developer kit, and there is indeed an icon editor, but it is (I Assume) for creating icons and using them with programs that you write. Bt I find some miscellaneous icons on cs.orst.edu which leads me to believe that it is possible. Anyone know how? Do I need a proggie to do it for me? if so , is there one for NS/i? Thanks! Mark
From: jmeacham@ants.ci.net (James D. Meacham 3rd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to get Newsgrazer to read only certain groups from the server? Date: 2 Mar 1994 15:55:51 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <2l2cu7$2ve@sundog.tiac.net> How does one get newsgrazer to read only a few of the newsgroups (i.e. the one's one reads) that one'd slip-connected newserver had? Any suggestions on how to make this so would be greatly appreciated. Peace, JAmes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Subject: Mail.app and elm coexistence ? Message-ID: <1994Mar7.155856.5646@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 15:58:56 GMT This is a question I didn't dare to ask yet: I'd like to use procmail to sort my incoming mail into different folders. Now I understand that I could use Carl Edman's appnmail to put the messages directly into Mail.app mailboxes, but I would like to be able to browse my new mail with elm, first. Without procmail this is no problem, since the mail stays in /usr/spool/mail until I've called Mail.app or until I tell elm to fetch it away. Now I don't knwo if it is very 'healthy' to use e.g. 'elm -f Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox' to read a Mail.app-maintained mail folder. At least the table_of_contents could be damaged, right ? If it's only the toc that's incompatible, one could check if the mbox file was changed and simply delete the toc, so that Mail.app creates a new, but that would presumably undelete all formerly deleted messages. Is there any solution, or must I go to Echelon or so ? Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
From: kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fusion Double CD 16 Date: 7 Mar 1994 10:19:35 -0600 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Message-ID: <2lfk6n$1vl@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> References: <INEK400.1.762988188@nkhoury.oit.iupui.edu> In article <INEK400.1.762988188@nkhoury.oit.iupui.edu>, Nadim El-Khoury <INEK400@nkhoury.oit.iupui.edu> wrote: >I have a DELL 433DE it is a 486 33Mhz EISA bus. I have Pro Audio Spectrum 16 >Sound Adapter and NEC CDR-55JD CD ROM that is atached to it. When I try >to install NS3.2 I get the following NO SCSI or CD-ROM Connected. > >Has Anyone run into this problem. DO I need a special driver to be able to >install the NS3.2. IF I do how Do I get it onto the INstallation Diskette. > >I would appreciate all the help on this matter. > >Thank YOu >Nadim El-KHoury > >Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis >INEK400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (I tried a direct reply, but your address was rejected by our nameserver). You need a SCSI-based CD-ROM with a supported SCSI host adaptor, like Adaptec 1542[BC] or DPT. You've probably got some proprietary SCSI adaptor that came with your CD-ROm and works fine with DOS drivers provided. Whether your CDROM is truly SCSI waits to be seen. -- Randy Kunkee Self Employed 713-870-1334 kunkee@sugar.neosoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kelman@niehs.nih.gov Subject: Getting Workspace Manager to recognize file extensions Message-ID: <kelman.40.0@niehs.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Organization: National Institutes of Health Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:54:48 GMT Hello, I have recently installed a large external HD, and have been putting apps on it to conserve space on my relatively smaller internal drive. The problem I have been running into is that Workspace Manager has not been recognizing app-specific file extensions as being associated with those files (e.g. the .imp files from Improv are being seen as text files). I hacked a workaround by symbolically linking the apps directory of the big drive to the /Apps directory of my personal account (this is a standalone machine), but I would prefer a less inelegant solution. Is there a path or file that I can edit that would tell the machine to look on my external drive for file associations? Thanks. David Kelman kelman@niehs.nih.gov (no NeXTMail)
From: gregf@fpl91.Berkeley.EDU (Greg C. Foliente) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTstations are back! Date: 7 Mar 1994 17:02:16 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2lfmmo$jhu@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2lbedp$dmi@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2lbedp$dmi@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > In article <CM6x3A.24M@colossus.pfm-mainz.de> david@colossus.pfm-mainz.de (David Andel) writes: > >Look at comp.sys.next.announce! > > > >>As part of the arrangement, NeXT has granted CCSI (Canon Computer System, > >>Inc.) the use of the NeXTstation trademark and will be working with CCSI > >>as a strategic original equipment manufacturer. > > This is pretty much old news. Canon has been selling 486 "NeXTstation" > in Japan for about 8 months. The trademark must have been granted > for use in Japan long ago. Now the US subsidiary also got the > right to do it. The ones sold there have been basically the > Intel GX/Pro, but the new version to be sold in the US may be > an entirely different machine. > > -- > Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] > USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Izumi is right. The new Canon NeXTstation PC is an entirely new machine, designed from the ground up (and this will be released worldwide, I think, even replacing the old Japanese Intels). I talked on the phone with one of the designers of the Canon NeXTstation PC about this. (By the way, this guy was also one of the original designers of the Epson NX; see NeXTWORLD Extra, Jan 94, p.21 "Canon nabs Epson execs") I posted the above comments late last week as: Re: Canon's NeXTstation PC (SF Examiner news)- UPDATE in comp.sys.next.advocacy. Of course, the CCSI/NeXT announcement and press release supersedes my other comments in the c.s.n.advocacy thread. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg C. Foliente gregf@nature.berkeley.edu Forest Products Lab (NeXTMail) gregf@fpl91.berkeley.edu UC Berkeley phone: (510) 215-4282 -------------------------------------------------------------
From: Charlesa@learned.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printer drivers Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 17:08:53 BST Organization: EUnet GB Message-ID: <2lfn73$3dh@marble.Britain.EU.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've noticed much fewer printer drivers in 3.2 than were in 3.1. Anybody how to get a 3.1 printer driver, and will it work with 3.2? Thx, C.
From: jds@aplexus.jhuapl.edu (John D Stanhope) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What comm software are YOU using under NS/i? Date: 7 Mar 1994 17:05:40 GMT Organization: Johns Hopkins U. Applied Physics Lab Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lfmt4$i81@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu> Keywords: comm, intel, tip The subject says it all. I have been trying to use TeleComm but I can't transfer stuff at a reasonable rate, i.e. a 4 hours estimated for a 1 MB file. The machine I am connected to is a Sun with zmodem version 3.18. Which has modems capable of 14400 and I have a ZyXEL 1496E so I think I can do high speed transfers :). Also what parameters should I use with sz, rz, and zmodem? -- ---------------------------------------------------- Otto "Apes don't read philoshpy" Wanda "Yes they do, they just don't understand it" ----------------------------------------------------
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mail.app and elm coexistence ? Date: 7 Mar 1994 17:02:29 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2lfmn5$17c@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1994Mar7.155856.5646@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >This is a question I didn't dare to ask yet: I'd like to use procmail to >sort my incoming mail into different folders. Now I understand that I >could use Carl Edman's appnmail to put the messages directly into >Mail.app mailboxes, but I would like to be able to browse my new mail >with elm, first. Without procmail this is no problem, since the mail >stays in /usr/spool/mail until I've called Mail.app or until I tell elm >to fetch it away. Aha, my topic exactly. Right well here's what I do which might not be what you want but will give you some pointers. I chose to archive all Text mail in unix mailboxes not Mail.app mailboxes. Only mail with attatchments goes to /usr/spool/mail/robert So my .procmailrc looks like this. DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox procmail forwards all mail directly to here. However, I have this rule. # all NeXTMail to $SPOOLDIR :0: * ^Next-Attachment /usr/spool/mail/robert This ensures that only the mail for Mail.app goes to /usr/spool/mail/robert. This allows me to keep both my news and mail folders in the same format. My .rnmac (trn) file looks like this S %(%m=[ap]?s ~/Mail/%C^M:S) > >Now I don't knwo if it is very 'healthy' to use e.g. >'elm -f Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox' to read a Mail.app-maintained mail >folder. At least the table_of_contents could be damaged, right ? If it's >only the toc that's incompatible, one could check if the mbox file was >changed and simply delete the toc, so that Mail.app creates a new, but >that would presumably undelete all formerly deleted messages. Don't like the implications re: locking by doing that. > >Is there any solution, or must I go to Echelon or so ? What's Echelon like? I'm happy with my arrangement. > > Gregor > >-- >| Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | >| MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | >| INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | >| EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) | -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: bob@stirling.egr.duke.edu (Robert R Reynolds) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Isn't anyone interested in energy saving? Date: 7 Mar 1994 17:40:40 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C., USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lfouo$f1f@news.duke.edu> References: <2l5brq$fl@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> In article <2l5brq$fl@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: > The premature hardware failure issues are red herrings these days > anyway. Let's see, the MTBF for my new disk drive is something like 99 > years! So what if I reduce its life by even an order of magnitude; it'll > be in the scrap heap long before that due to obsolescence. And the same > holds for the rest of today's hardware components which become obsolete > long before they fail. THIS IS NOT REALLY TRUE. The disk drive is quite sensitive to startups and shutdowns. As a former disk designer, perhaps I can add some information. A disk's MTBF rating is calculated based on continuous operation and therefore excludes the most dangerous part of the disk's life: when the read/write head takes off (during startup) and when it lands on the disk during shutdown. This phase does small but permanent damage (wear) to the disk coating and can cause buildup on the heads. Although most manufacturers quote some number of start/stop cycles for drives (typically 10,000), this is arrived statistically and many manufacturers don't really have enough data to support the estimate. I won't touch the power consumption issue but feel that you should know -- repeated startups and shutdowns are NOT good for the disk. This is true regardless of what type of operating system you are running, who made the computer or what the phase of the moon is! Yes the harm is small for each cycle (or disks wouldn't be feasible) but that's little consolation when you loose your disk and data. Please keep it in mind.
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a Command Line Hide? Date: 7 Mar 1994 11:59:48 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403071759.AA14330@alleg.EDU> It would be helpful to have a command line version of hide because I'm lazy and hate using the mouse. I know that I can use cmd-h for the app I'm working on, but I was wondering if there is anything like % hide <nameofapp> floating around the NeXT world.... Anyone know of any such thing? Thanks Tim -- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed {This space reserved in case I think of something witty to say.}
From: guest@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Recommendations for ND pilots Date: 7 Mar 1994 18:11:46 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lfqp2$6s6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: NeXT, NeXTdimension, software, wisdom I'm amazed at the verve and isolation of the NeXTdimension sub-community; we're still helplessly in love, and don't know what's out there for us. I think it was so long between the ND's debut and the arrival of support (software, cheaper, more plentiful RAM, etc) that a lot of us have been working in the dark. So, for those who care, here are my current recommendations, based on personal experience. I encourage feedback and contributions to the forthcoming v2.0 of the "NeXTdimension Compendium": a. more RAM everywhere. You can't get enough. Really. b. more HD space for the Elephantine Swapfiles. c. DVR.app (Digital Video Recorder) available from ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de. (Sorry, the subdirectory escapes me, but it's under video). Peter Eisch's Capture.app is better, IMHO, and I'm hoping he'll release the source code. d. Movie 2.51.1 The latest version, on the archives. More control of viewing; I've gotten it to play 40-frame .anim movies at nearly 12fps in 12-bit color and 380x270 pixels. e. PixelMagician. A must have. I use its JPEG option for TIFFs to crunch up the files in .anim clips, and the batch conversion tools can also turn the .anim TIFFs into a series of PICTS. (anyone know if QuickTime could deal with these?) f. TIFFany II. Another awesome app, and a must-have for ND owners. Its batch-processing abilities and image-processing tools and modules make it easy to manipulate digital video clips. I turned Al Gore's speech at the Infobahn summit into an animated oil painting!. Cheers, Steve Weintz EthnoGraphics indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTMail Date: 7 Mar 1994 12:55:57 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403071855.AA17188@alleg.EDU> In comp.sys.next.misc article <CM9s20.IrL@oodis01.hill.af.mil> you wrote: Was just wondering if anyone knew if NeXTMail saves 'sent' messages somewhere that can be brought back up and resent again and again if so desired. Thanks. It can, but only if you tell it to. In "Normal" Mail preferences there is a check box for Archive. Click that so a check appears and a copy of each mail message sent with Mail.app will be placed in a mbox called Outgoing.mbox. (Note: If you want to call it something other than "Outgoing.mbox" you can use a dwrite in the form dwrite Mail OutgoingMailbox name.mbox change "name" to whatever you want to call it and viola! ) Tim -- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed {This space reserved in case I think of something witty to say.}
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu (Eric de_la_Tribouille) Subject: Is BaNG still alive ? Message-ID: <CMBCoD.718@cs.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@cs.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 21:21:47 GMT Hi Folks ! Is BaNG still alive ? Do you know there Email address ??? Thanks in advance ! - Eric -- "The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be." - Paul Valery _____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@myxa.com Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Message-ID: <CMBACC.Au@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <1994Mar6.025022.14612@corndog.id.com> Distribution: inet Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 20:31:24 GMT In article <1994Mar6.025022.14612@corndog.id.com> walters@corndog.id.com (Chris Walters) writes: > weare@galaxy.ucr.edu (christopher weare) writes: > > So, to get 8 tracks simultaneously and cheaply your best bet is either the > > ADAT or DA88. To get the audio to the computer you will need either an > > AV mac or similar or a sound card ala audio media. > > I don't fully understand the issues involved, but here is an idea. > > What about using 8 stations equipped with Digital Ears, one for > each track. Then mix the result into a final sound. 8 used stations > with Digital Ears might be less money than one of those fancy DA88 > or ADATS (how much are they?), plus you can use them for word > processing, etc. when you are done. > Only four stations would be required for 8 tracks, since Digital Ears record in stereo, right? How about four 68030 cube motherboards in a cube case, each with a Digital Ears hung off of it. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Getting Workspace Manager to recognize file extensions Message-ID: <1994Mar7.224502.15105@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <kelman.40.0@niehs.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 22:45:02 GMT In article <kelman.40.0@niehs.nih.gov> kelman@niehs.nih.gov writes: > Hello, > > I have recently installed a large external HD, and have been putting > apps on it to conserve space on my relatively smaller internal drive. The > problem I have been running into is that Workspace Manager has not been > recognizing app-specific file extensions as being associated with those files > (e.g. the .imp files from Improv are being seen as text files). I hacked a > workaround by symbolically linking the apps directory of the big drive to the > /Apps directory of my personal account (this is a standalone machine), but I > would prefer a less inelegant solution. Is there a path or file that I can > edit that would tell the machine to look on my external drive for file > associations? Thanks. I would guess that your new external disk is being automounted at login. If you want it checked for apps (icons and services) then you should create an entry in /etc/fstab for it. Do not use the noauto parameter, the manual is wrong. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: How to get Newsgrazer to read only certain groups from the server? Message-ID: <1994Mar7.224620.15168@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2l2cu7$2ve@sundog.tiac.net> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 22:46:20 GMT In article <2l2cu7$2ve@sundog.tiac.net> jmeacham@ants.ci.net (James D. Meacham 3rd) writes: > > How does one get newsgrazer to read only a few of the newsgroups (i.e. the > one's one reads) that one'd slip-connected newserver had? Any suggestions on > how to make this so would be greatly appreciated. Edit the active file to only include the groups you want. Not very flexible, but it helps. NewsGrazer really doesn't work well over slow nntp links. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: Lexi.font? Message-ID: <1994Mar7.210411.7725@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <2l8m2i$5qe@inxs.concert.net> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 21:04:11 GMT In article <2l8m2i$5qe@inxs.concert.net> info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift, Inc.) writes: > In article <1994Mar4.212527.9115@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu > (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > > What is /Next/Library/Fonts/Lexi.font, and why doesn't it show > > up in my font panel? > > > Nathan, doesn't WordPerfect install that Lexi.font? No, Lexi.font is a standard NeXT font with the lexicographic symbols needed for Webster.app, like the schwa (upside-down 'e'). I don't know why it is suppressed from the Font Panel. Must be hard-wired, because it shows up in all the usual places, like .afscache and .fontdirectory. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History is the fiction we invent to Revisionist Autobiographer | persuade ourselves that events are Anderson Financial Systems | knowable and that life has order and greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | direction." -- Calvin & Hobbes, 7/19/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? In-Reply-To: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 5 Mar 1994 00:48:41 GMT To: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 18:19:22 GMT In article <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: I am wondering what the breakeven time is for leaving NeXTs on as opposed to turning them off. For example, is it better in terms of wear and tear to turn them off at night or to leave them on, even if they are not being used? Somebody told me 72 hours, but this seems awfully long. I am speaking specifically of the monochrome NeXTStation. A NeXTstep machine is a UN*X workstation. Workstations are not intended to be turned off. Ever. You buy it, you turn it on and when it is time to sell or scrap it, you turn it off. Please do not confuse a PC or a Mac with a real computer. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Mail.app and elm coexistence ? In-Reply-To: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de's message of Mon, 7 Mar 94 15:58:56 GMT To: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar7134958@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1994Mar7.155856.5646@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 18:49:58 GMT In article <1994Mar7.155856.5646@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) writes: Now I don't knwo if it is very 'healthy' to use e.g. 'elm -f Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox' to read a Mail.app-maintained mail folder. At least the table_of_contents could be damaged, right ? If it's only the toc that's incompatible, one could check if the mbox file was changed and simply delete the toc, so that Mail.app creates a new, but that would presumably undelete all formerly deleted messages. If you make sure that Mail.app and elm don't run at the same time there is no danger. The worst which can happen is that elm writes out a new mbox. In that case, when Mail.app starts it will automatically notice that the table_of_contents is out of date and create a new one. No mail message will be lost. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.music From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Message-ID: <CMB3zE.57t@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1994Mar6.025022.14612@corndog.id.com> Distribution: inet Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 18:14:02 GMT In article <1994Mar6.025022.14612@corndog.id.com> walters@corndog.id.com (Chris Walters) writes: #weare@galaxy.ucr.edu (christopher weare) writes: #> So, to get 8 tracks simultaneously and cheaply your best bet is either the #> ADAT or DA88. To get the audio to the computer you will need either an #> AV mac or similar or a sound card ala audio media. # #I don't fully understand the issues involved, but here is an idea. # #What about using 8 stations equipped with Digital Ears, one for #each track. Then mix the result into a final sound. 8 used stations #with Digital Ears might be less money than one of those fancy DA88 #or ADATS (how much are they?), plus you can use them for word #processing, etc. when you are done. Actually it won't be cheaper to use 4 stations, not 8. 8 stations would give you 16 mono tracks or 8 stereo pairs. An ADAT ios ~$3000 and the DA-88 is ~$3400. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: boonlow@kits.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) Subject: Terminal problems while logging in... Message-ID: <boonlow.763111334@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca (seymour news) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 07:22:14 GMT Hey guys, I am running NeXTStep (for Intel Processors) and I am getting some problems with terminal emulations. Whenever I login from home ( through serial-line / modem ), my screen would be all juggle/mess up. Which ever command I type, ls or whatever ... the files are all over the place on the screen. Also, if I type resize, the modem will hang up. I believe it is a local problem, maybe..., as I uses the vt-100 emualtion both sides ( home and in school ), or even if I loginto a NeXT machine ( pepper, orange e.t.c ) I will get the same results. It seems to be a pretty simple problem on my side, but sign... I just can't figure it ;-( If anyone can offer me some advice/solution, I would be really gratefull. Thanks for any help provided. Sincerely, Ben.
From: mcafee@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Christopher C McAfee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is BaNG still alive ? Date: 8 Mar 1994 07:48:05 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <2lhajm$b05@Times.Stanford.EDU> References: <CMBCoD.718@cs.uiuc.edu> In article <CMBCoD.718@cs.uiuc.edu>, Eric de_la_Tribouille <eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu> wrote: >Hi Folks ! > >Is BaNG still alive ? Do you know there Email address ??? > Although BaNG hasn't met for many-a-month, there was an officer's meeting last week to get things going again. Stay tuned! I think info@bang.org still works. Cheers, Chris mcafee@cs.stanford.edu
From: sepp@ppcger.ppc.sub.org (Josef Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: pcnfsd daemon? Date: 7 Mar 1994 21:20:37 +0100 Organization: PPCGer mail and news system (Germersheim, Germany) Message-ID: <2lg2al$bt@ppcger.ppc.sub.org> References: <kdickey.94.00106905@cmsa.gmr.com> <2klsed$btm@rosie.next.com> <1994Feb26.124059.6504@cyantic.com> In <1994Feb26.124059.6504@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: >In article <2klsed$btm@rosie.next.com> Joe_Keenan@next.com writes: >>How about /usr/etc/rpc.pcnfsd? >This is Version 1 of the pcnfsd. Sun is shipping version 2 source code >with PC-NFS 5.0 and the software is freely distributable. I have put the >software on my Next but have not had time to work on the compilation. >It failed the first time through, and I will need someone else to look at >it to complete the build. I'd like to post it when it is finished. are rpc.lockd and rpc.statd also available somewhere? Greetings Sepp -- Josef Wolf -- sepp@ppcger.ppc.sub.org Germersheim, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: NeXTMail Message-ID: <1994Mar8.095446.26085@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <CM9s20.IrL@oodis01.hill.af.mil> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 09:54:46 GMT In article <CM9s20.IrL@oodis01.hill.af.mil> salmon@oodis01.hill.af.mil (GS-12 Keith E. Salmon Mr; OO-ALC/LIWBB) writes: > Was just wondering if anyone knew if NeXTMail saves 'sent' messages somewhere > that can be brought back up and resent again and again if so desired. Thanks. If you check "Archive" in Mail's "Normal" preferences, outgoing mail will be saved in the "Outgoing" mailbox. You can access it like any other mailbox. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Life is like an analogy
From: car@informatik.uni-kiel.de (Carsten Rathsack) Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sources.wanted Subject: model railroad design tool wanted Followup-To: rec.models.railroad Date: 8 Mar 1994 13:44:41 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Kiel, FRG Message-ID: <2lhrvpINNfg8@ramses.informatik.uni-kiel.de> Hi, I am looking for a design tool to create model railroad systems, especially track layouts. I've heard of a tool called EDITTRAK that may be what I am looking for, but I can't find it anywhere on the archives. If anybody has or knows about such tools please drop me a line. It would be best if it runs on UNIX under X11 (or even better, but a bit exotic, on NeXTstep), but MSDOS is ok. Thanks in advance, Carsten -- Some few hours of trial and debugging sometimes can save 10 minutes of reading man pages.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: Look up "gullible" in Webster Message-ID: <Mar6.004910.24073@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 00:49:10 GMT References: <2klukm$fi8@transfer.stratus.com> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada In article <2klukm$fi8@transfer.stratus.com> bill@az.stratus.com (Bill Everts) writes: > In article <2kllfn$bpu@rosie.next.com> erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) writes: > > In article <2kkr6t$9do@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu > > (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: .. > > strangely enough, the reason it's probably not working for you on one > > machine, but is on another is that you deleted the "pictures" > > directory from your References/Webster-Dictionary directory. .. > >Just making an empty directory is enough. > No, that's not it either. I have the same phenomena here. Yes it is. I just tried it on my machine (Black, v.3.1, user images in /LocalLibrary/Images/People), which does not have the Webster pictures installed. It did not work. I then created an empty directory "pictures" in /NextLibrary/References/Webster-Dictionary, as Erik suggested, and my image (from /LocalLibrary/Images/People) appeared in Webster. So people are normally only gullible if they install the Webster pictures :-) Actually, it was kind of funny, because I didn't install a picture of myself anyway - it is a Cretaceous microfossil :-) My question is, who snuck that gem in there? -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: haldane@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Steve Sykes) Subject: Re: Is BaNG still alive ? Message-ID: <1994Mar8.144408.1252@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: news@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Network News) Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 14:44:08 GMT Well, I applied for membership of BaNG almost a year ago now, attracted by the promise of a CD with lots of software on it. I sent them $35, and waited. I am still waiting, despite several promises from them by email. BaNG's president (M Carling <m@bluerose.com>) does not even reply to my mail any more. I now have just about given up hope of seeing anything for my money. If anyone knows a telephone number for someone at BaNG, that would be a start - whenever I have called the information number (415 327 2264) I just get an answering machine. Steve. Stephen D.Sykes _______| Have you __| NeXT | Classic FM haldane@jura.demon.co.uk | hugged your | mail __| London, U.K. +44 71 284 3000 (daytime) _-| radio today? _-| O.K. __| NW1 7DQ
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with CD300? Date: 8 Mar 1994 15:07:46 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2li4c2$bi@steffi.demon.co.uk> If anybody is using a CD300 (specifically the Sony CD-ROM CDU-80003A (rev. 1.9a) ) under NS3.2 on Motorolla hardware I'd certainly like to hear from them. Currently it works _sometimes_ under CDPlayer.app. I get this message on the console. sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 12 (no valid label) DISK UNFORMATTED Disk is Write Protected --- However, if I try another program which supposably does the same thing as CDPlayer.app. I get. sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 4 (no valid label) continually to the console. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) Subject: Re: Is BaNG still alive ? Message-ID: <espritCMCs72.LF6@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <CMBCoD.718@cs.uiuc.edu> <2lhajm$b05@Times.Stanford.EDU> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:54:37 GMT In article <2lhajm$b05@Times.Stanford.EDU> mcafee@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Christopher C McAfee) writes: >In article <CMBCoD.718@cs.uiuc.edu>, >Eric de_la_Tribouille <eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu> wrote: >>Hi Folks ! >> >>Is BaNG still alive ? Do you know there Email address ??? >> > >Although BaNG hasn't met for many-a-month, there was an officer's >meeting last week to get things going again. Stay tuned! > >I think info@bang.org still works. Last time that I sent mail to info@bang.org, it worked in the sense that my mail didn't bounce, but I never received a response either. -- ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Alan F. Perry | Life is short, but by achieving greater speeds alanp@eng.sun.com (work) | a man can make his life a little longer and esprit@netcom.com (home) | more affluent - Soichiro Honda
From: schmo1@info.isbiel.ch (Olivier Schmid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: video-card-driver Date: 8 Mar 1994 16:24:09 GMT Organization: Biel School of Engineering, CH-2501 Biel, Switzerland Distribution: world Message-ID: <2li8r9$125@vega.info.isbiel.ch> Can someone tell me why there are no 8 bit color drivers for NSFI ? (Every simple OS supports it) There is 8 bit grayscale support, would it be so difficult to change the color-palette to obtain color ? Or are there reasons I don't know about ? So it would be possible to have color on low-cost video-cards (I'm a student and not all people have money to buy a 2MB V-RAM card for working with NS with 1024 x 768 in color) Thanks for your help Oli
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: 93akg@eng.cam.ac.uk (A.K. Gupta) Subject: DA-Retouche - details please ! Message-ID: <1994Mar8.171155.4117@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Keywords: Image, Retouching Sender: news@infodev.cam.ac.uk (USENET news) Organization: U of Cambridge, England Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 17:11:55 GMT Hi everyone. I hope someone can help me : I'm looking for details on a program called DA-Retouche, by Digital Arts AG, which I believe (not sure) is available on the NeXTstation and is currently being ported to the Acorn RISC OS platform. Could somebody possibly tell me : - does it exist ? - what does it do ? - how does it compare to PhotoShop ? - how can I contact Digital Arts ? (e-mail address ?) I don't get a chance to read this newsgroup much so replies by e-mail (93akg@eng.cam.ac.uk) would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help ! ------------------------------------------- Amit Gupta (93akg@eng.cam.ac.uk) Cambridge University Engineering Department
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.EDU (John (kzin) Rudd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New ATI driver available? Message-ID: <143806@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 8 Mar 94 17:42:29 GMT Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software I got a new motherboard and ati gup vlb from gateway recently..and had to update all of my dos/windows and os/2 drivers.. then I booted under NS and once teh boot gets past teh low-res vga screen, it get lots of strange lines on the screen that look like each pixel row is oscilated left and right across the screen.. I booted with config=Default, and this let me run under the low res vga driver.. but when I reconfigured my ati driver, I still had the same prblem when I rebooted.. So.. Does anyone have an up-to-date ATI GUP driver? where can I get one? also, when you're at the graphical login screen... is there a key sequence to key in shutdown or restart? I hate having reboot into checking the disk and then reboot again just because my video driver crapped out and I had to shut down impropperly. (or is there a login id I can/should generate for forcing a graceful shutdown/restart?) Thanks for your help, John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.getech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.=============== "Tonya, the new cologne for men. One whif makes women weak in the knees" ===========================DOOM(1.2) ON YOU!=================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hans@tms-gmbh.de Subject: Re: pcnfsd daemon? Message-ID: <CMCqwq.7v@tms-gmbh.de> Sender: usenet@tms-gmbh.de Organization: tms GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <2lg2al$bt@ppcger.ppc.sub.org> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:26:49 GMT In article <2lg2al$bt@ppcger.ppc.sub.org> sepp@ppcger.ppc.sub.org (Josef Wolf) writes: .. > >It failed the first time through, and I will need someone else to look at > >it to complete the build. I'd like to post it when it is finished. > > are rpc.lockd and rpc.statd also available somewhere? > > Greetings > Sepp > -- > Josef Wolf -- sepp@ppcger.ppc.sub.org > Germersheim, Germany We have version 2, it was made by someone at NeXT Germany. Mail me if you need it. Please specify if NeXTmail is o.k.! Hans
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 12:51:15 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <chT=gH_00iV4I57rxB@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Mar-94 Re: How long to leave NeXTs.. by Carl Edman@princeton.edu > A NeXTstep machine is a UN*X workstation. Workstations are not > intended to be turned off. Ever. You buy it, you turn it on and when > it is time to sell or scrap it, you turn it off. Please do not > confuse a PC or a Mac with a real computer. The thing you want to watch out for is your hard drive(s), as they take a lot of wear every time they have to power cycle. I don't turn my external hard drive off *ever* (unless I need to change the SCSI bus), but I will turn the rest of my machine off if I know that I won't be using it for more than two days. The monitor and CPU board don't mind nearly as much as my drive would. This happens one or two weekends a month, depending on how burnt out I feel Friday evening.... :-) -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: pcnfsd daemon? Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 12:52:49 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <IhT=hlO00iV4M57tRe@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2lg2al$bt@ppcger.ppc.sub.org> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 7-Mar-94 Re: pcnfsd daemon? by Josef Wolf@ppcger.ppc.su > are rpc.lockd and rpc.statd also available somewhere? Yes: /usr/etc/rpc.lockd /usr/etc/rpc.statd -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: video-card-driver In-Reply-To: schmo1@info.isbiel.ch's message of 8 Mar 1994 16:24:09 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Mar8104935@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <2li8r9$125@vega.info.isbiel.ch> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:49:35 GMT Olivier Schmid writes: Olivier> Can someone tell me why there are no 8 bit color drivers for NSFI ? Olivier> (Every simple OS supports it) There is 8 bit grayscale support, Olivier> would it be so difficult to change the color-palette to obtain Olivier> color ? Or are there reasons I don't know about ? So it would be Olivier> possible to have color on low-cost video-cards (I'm a student and Olivier> not all people have money to buy a 2MB V-RAM card for working with Olivier> NS with 1024 x 768 in color) The trouble is called "alpha channel". 8 bit color is difficult (but do-able) when alpha channel has to be dealt with. I would expect to see 8-bit color drivers popping up sometime, though. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lucifer@news.u.washington.edu (Warren Edwards) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Reading Nextmail from non-Next machine Date: 8 Mar 1994 18:58:28 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <2lihsk$jmo@news.u.washington.edu> Does anyone out there know how to read next mail on a non-next machine, like a sun or RS-6000. Has someone written an app under X to do so? Any help would be appreciated...even the format of next mail would help. -- -- __________________________________________________________________________ Warren S. Edwards "No one has any sympathy Department of Electrical Engineering, FT-10 for me except Mick" University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195 ph: (206) 543-1017 email: lucifer@fizzle.ee.washington.edu
From: pgraff@graff.next.com (Peter Graffagnino) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: video-card-driver Date: 8 Mar 1994 19:36:32 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lik40$1av@rosie.next.com> References: <2li8r9$125@vega.info.isbiel.ch> In article <2li8r9$125@vega.info.isbiel.ch> schmo1@info.isbiel.ch (Olivier Schmid) writes: >Can someone tell me why there are no 8 bit color drivers for NSFI ? >(Every simple OS supports it) There is 8 bit grayscale support, would it be so difficult to change >the color-palette to obtain color ? >Or are there reasons I don't know about ? >So it would be possible to have color on low-cost video-cards >(I'm a student and not all people have money to buy a 2MB V-RAM card for >working with NS with 1024 x 768 in color) > >Thanks for your help > Oli > Historically, there are a number of reasons we have steered clear of 8bit color under NEXTSTEP: * Image Quality: More than other UI's, NEXTSTEP actually uses continuous tone images for icons and other UI elements. Without enough colors, these elements can look bad. (Note that on 2bit gray systems, the UI reverts to using less smooth shading). * True Color API: Unlike nearly all window systems is use, NEXTSTEP has no API for colormap management, all applications deal in true color with floating-point precision. This is just our philosophical belief that exporting color map API's are "a bad thing"... * Precision: Even when emulating true color in 8bit (using, for example, a RGB 3:3:2 color cube) the precision is awful. Since NEXTSTEP actually performs computations on pixels (our imaging model uses continuous-tone alpha compositing as generalized bit-blit), the rounding error quickly builds up and can lead to artifacts. Having said all of that, we do agree that there are some real cost advantages to supporting 8bit color, and are indeed working on solutions to some of the concerns above. Can't say much more than that, but stay tuned... Peter
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Date: 8 Mar 1994 15:15:07 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Distribution: inet Message-ID: <9403082116.AA25779@dcs.shef.ac.uk> rhm@neocad.com (Richard Maglione) wrote: > If you want to end up on a disk, why not start there? > The Session 8 is available for Mac or PC, is 8 track, > synchronizable, and even has a mixer and patchbay built > in! The list price on the Session 8 is the same as the > ADAT ($4000) and all you'd need is a big disk and a PC. > Fair question. Main reason: We'll potentially need to record a number of sessions, each lasting maybe up to an hour. To translate this to disk space, for say an average 20 minute session: 44kHz x 2byte x 60sec x 20min x 8tracks = 844.8MB It seems that it's likely it would to be easier for us to record to tape, renewing tapes between sessions, and downloading what we actually need (maybe after a bit of editing on the tape machine), than it would be to record to disk and, when we run out of space, back up to tape between sessions...(!) Gut feeling: The tape solution seems more elegant :-) In the tape system we'd have a single unit dedicated to a task, and fairly portable. The computer-based solution seems more clumsy. I'm open-minded about this, though, so please feel free to counter. Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean Banfield) Subject: Silence on serial comm. (fixed in 3.2?) Organization: Real Decisions Corporation Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 18:26:08 GMT Message-ID: <CMB4JM.K1E@rdcalr.realdec.com> Hi, Some time ago there was much noise about the general failure of the serial port drivers at high speeds. System panics and the like occurred regularly on white hardware. I grabbed the serial driver update that Next placed on orst (they did so under fire), and it improved things a bit, but I had since given up on my UUCP dreams and resorted to occasionaly use of the Microphone Pro demo for brief dial-outs. I use tip sometimes as well. So, there I was the other night attempting to use ZMODEM to grab a distribuition from cs.orst.edu, via my World account, when pow! Hung city. The console window, which I keep open for this sort of thing complained bitterly about overruns on the device. Any hope for this sort of use of a modem. I've had no problems on white hardware over the last few years running a FAST Telebit out of an SCO system. Am I hopelessly out of touch. Should I get 3.2? Is there a fix for 3.1? Thanks. Dean -- =============================================================== Dean Banfield Real Decisions Corporation Voice: 203.656.1500 22 Thorndal Circle FAX: 203.656.1659 Darien, CT USA 06840 e-mail: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com ===============================================================
From: st1qb@Jane.UH.EDU Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Date: 8 Mar 1994 22:14:59 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2litd3$s6r@menudo.uh.edu> References: <9403031853.AA07802@dcs.shef.ac.uk>,<pshaw-070394192513@pshaw.ea.com> In article <pshaw-070394192513@pshaw.ea.com>, pshaw@ea.com (Shaw, Paul) writes: >In article <9403031853.AA07802@dcs.shef.ac.uk>, M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk >(Malcolm Crawford) wrote: > >> Does anybody have any suggestions for getting 8-tracks of (digital) >> sound from recording apparatus to disk? >> >> We need: >> (a) an 8-track recording platform. >> We seem to have two choices here: >> The Alesis ADAT, and the TASCAM DA88. If anybody can suggest >> alternatives we'd be interested to hear of them. >> Closely coupled with this, however, is the need for >> (b) a means of getting the data from tape to disk. >> This is likely to be the tricky bit, and we would very much appreciate >> suggestions, hints from experience etc. >> > >This may sound like an off the wall solution (being that I'm not >necessarily an advocate for the platform I'm about to name), but there is a >card produced by SunRize industries for the Amiga computer that records >eight tracks simultaneously directly to hard-disk... and it plays them >back, directly from hard-disk. It also does effects mixing, SMPTE and a >few other things. I believe the card's name is the AD1012 or something >like that. It's about $1200 (U.S.) and then, of course you must buy the >machine (Amiga 3000 or 4000) > > >_______________________________________________________________________________ >P. Shaw "May the wind at your back, not be your >own." The AD1012 is a 12-bit sampler, but the above description would pertain to to the AD516. And does cost around $1200. (just a note...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gregg@outback.ny.tpc.com (Greg Gershowitz) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Message-ID: <1994Mar8.165404.15447@outback.ny.tpc.com> Organization: Out Back Trading References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:54:04 GMT cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >In article <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu >(James Beauchamp) writes: >I am wondering what the breakeven time is for leaving NeXTs on as >opposed to turning them off. For example, is it better in terms of >wear and tear to turn them off at night or to leave them on, even >if they are not being used? Somebody told me 72 hours, but this >seems awfully long. I am speaking specifically of the monochrome >NeXTStation. >A NeXTstep machine is a UN*X workstation. Workstations are not >intended to be turned off. Ever. You buy it, you turn it on and when >it is time to sell or scrap it, you turn it off. Please do not >confuse a PC or a Mac with a real computer. Please do not confuse operating systems with machines. Don't forget that NeXTstep will run on PC's. In which case, you still don't turn them off. -Greg G -- "No matter who you are, no matter what you look like, deep down in the gunny sack of your soul, in the top drawer, in the back, on the bottom, we all have a pair of pants with a pocket full of kryptonite." "When God belches, it sounds OK" - Spin Doctors, Jones Beach, 7/9/93
From: next2@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Silence on serial comm. (fixed in 3.2?) Date: 8 Mar 94 23:09:04 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <next2.763168144@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <CMB4JM.K1E@rdcalr.realdec.com> dean@rdcalr.realdec.com (Dean Banfield) writes: >So, there I was the other night attempting to use ZMODEM to grab a >distribuition from cs.orst.edu, via my World account, when pow! Hung >city. The console window, which I keep open for this sort of thing >complained bitterly about overruns on the device. Any hope for this >sort of use of a modem. I've had no problems on white hardware over the >last few years running a FAST Telebit out of an SCO system. Am I hopelessly >out of touch. Should I get 3.2? Is there a fix for 3.1? The original 3.2 serial driver is worse than the updated 3.1 driver. But I recommend upgrading to 3.2 for various reasons. The serial driver solution for 3.2 was contributed by Mark Salyzyn who ported a serial driver from BSD 4.4 to NS, and it works just great and very reliable for three months now. Mark's driver is calles "Mux" and available on cs.orst.edu or ftp.uni-stuttgart.de (and a few other ftp sites). Regards, Markus. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Expert in quantum bogodynamics
From: kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: tried taking .rtf file to Kinkos Date: 8 Mar 1994 17:19:07 -0600 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Message-ID: <2lj15b$e95@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> I just had an interesting experience. Not yet havin my own laser printer, I tried to take a .rtf file to Kinko's and let them print it for me. This really did not work out very well. After trying several things, the person there (who was really very helpful and knowledgeable I might add) used an IBM system to import to MS-WORD. On the screen the file looked okay, but the left margin was chopped a little and the printer used twice as many pages as necessary (the bottom half of 4 pages was blank. Without buying other word processing packages, does anyone have any idea how I might render this .rtf file to be compatable with Kinko's? Know of any PD software to convert .rtf to postscript? I guess 'edit' really is pretty crude -- I can't find a way to even set margins on it, at short of editing the .rtf file with VI. -- Randy Kunkee Self Employed 713-870-1334 kunkee@sugar.neosoft.com
From: gregf@fpl91.Berkeley.EDU (Greg C. Foliente) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tried taking .rtf file to Kinkos Date: 8 Mar 1994 23:49:36 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2lj2ug$5it@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2lj15b$e95@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> In article <2lj15b$e95@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) writes: > I just had an interesting experience. Not yet havin my own laser > printer, I tried to take a .rtf file to Kinko's and let them print > it for me. This really did not work out very well. After trying > several things, the person there (who was really very helpful and > knowledgeable I might add) used an IBM system to import to MS-WORD. > On the screen the file looked okay, but the left margin was chopped > a little and the printer used twice as many pages as necessary (the > bottom half of 4 pages was blank. > > Without buying other word processing packages, does anyone have any > idea how I might render this .rtf file to be compatable with Kinko's? > Know of any PD software to convert .rtf to postscript? I guess 'edit' > really is pretty crude -- I can't find a way to even set margins on it, > at short of editing the .rtf file with VI. > -- > Randy Kunkee To set margins in Edit: Format->Text->Show Ruler then drag the markers where you like. To get .ps file: Print...->Save...->(at the pop-out item below Name:___, get "Normal Device-Independent PostScript") then write your filename.ps, click OK. On to Kinko's... -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg C. Foliente gregf@nature.berkeley.edu Forest Products Lab (NeXTMail) gregf@fpl91.berkeley.edu UC Berkeley phone: (510) 215-4282 -------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Message-ID: <CMDD91.E5v@cc.umontreal.ca> Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 23:29:23 GMT Carl Edman (cedman@princeton.edu) wrote: : A NeXTstep machine is a UN*X workstation. Workstations are not : intended to be turned off. Ever. You buy it, you turn it on and when : it is time to sell or scrap it, you turn it off. Please do not : confuse a PC or a Mac with a real computer. I want to believe that, and I brag about that, but consider these two facts: 1) All the NeXT mono computers at McGill university have the screen which has gone dim. We're talking, what, about 50 of them. They of course stay on all the time. My monitor, which is definetely older (man. dec 1988) and which the previous owner always turned off when not in use, is *perfect*. Not a large counter-sample but at least monitor-wise... Im not as assured as you are. 2) In at least 2 different places in NeXT documentation, they tell you to shut off your computer when not in use! How do you like that! I think the pamphlet for the upgrade to 68040 cpu it tells you that. Personally I agree the computer and acc. never needs to be shut off, butmaybe it's not such a good idea to leave your monitor on forever. The least you can do is DIM it to lowest setting (for Mono NeXT's) when not in use for long periods, who knows, it might be the equivalent of turning it off, but I have my doubts... : Carl Edman Odisseas
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: 9 Mar 1994 00:35:13 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <2lj5k1$g05@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> <CMDD91.E5v@cc.umontreal.ca> Kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) wrote... >Carl Edman (cedman@princeton.edu) wrote: > >: A NeXTstep machine is a UN*X workstation. Workstations are not >: intended to be turned off. Ever. You buy it, you turn it on and when >: it is time to sell or scrap it, you turn it off. Please do not >: confuse a PC or a Mac with a real computer. > >I want to believe that, and I brag about that, but consider these two facts: [...A couple good points deleted...] One other thing I'd like to add which I don't think has been mentioned yet. Isn't there a "problem" with swapfiles growing to inordinate sizes and never shrinking when the machine is left on too long? I might be mistaken as I caught the discussion on that this past summer when I had just gotten my NeXT and as such wasn't able to follow along very well. Is that problem only a problem if you don't log out? If so, then that should be an (obvious?) caveat to leaving the computer on full time. If this isn't actually a problem, I'm sure someone will followup to correct me :-) Joe -- __________ | NeXTMail? We can do NeXTMail!!! | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't each quiche. They eat Twinkies `---- | and fast food washed down with caffeinated beverages.
From: tec@alumni.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cc path for -ldsp_s ??? Date: 9 Mar 1994 01:19:39 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Alumni Association Message-ID: <2lj87b$1bl@gap.cco.caltech.edu> I'm trying to recompile a short program that uses the DSP port, and am getting ld errors. I've tried a couple things (after getting the MusicKit package), but it seems to be not finding needed files. I've compiled this program before, but recent upgrades to NS3.2 have broken it, I guess. Here's what I get... slate# cc nextho-tec.c -o nextho-tec ld: Undefined symbols: _DSPAwaitData _DSPDataIsAvailable _DSPReadRX _DSPHostCommand _DSPWriteTX _DSPBootFile _DSPIsOpen _DSPGetOwnerString slate# ...or (per the documentation)... slate# cc nextho-tec.c -ldsp_s -lsys_s -o nextho-tec ld: Can't locate file for: -ldsp_s slate# ...and a search for libdsp_s.a (per cc man page) shows it missing... slate# find / -name libdsp_s.a -ls -o -fstype nfs -prune slate# Is the documentation (from stanford) in error? What do I have to add (and from where) to get this to work? Thanks! Tim Cushing (tec@slate.alta.com)
From: sean@alpine.com (Sean Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT lint? Date: 8 Mar 1994 16:22:16 -0800 Organization: Disorganization Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lj4ro$3gs@magnusson.alpine.com> References: <2l4181$o0f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: : > : Don't be bashful and stop with only -Wall :-) Add -Wshadow : -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings for even better checking. Go for the ultimate in anal-retentive checking: -Wpendantic. :-) :-) -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke milk:-cows. | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu (if (cows) 'milk) | | if only I spoke for Alpine... [milk set:[cows val]]; |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: tiff->eps -> NeXT via photoshop Can this be true ?!? Message-ID: <CMBwHy.Gvp@moksha.uucp> Keywords: tiff eps color seperation Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 04:29:57 GMT I'm posting for a friend w/ no net access. He claims that when saving a tiff as eps on a mac from photoshop that the eps contains 4 bitmaps, one for each of CMYK, as well as a "thumbnail." Is this really true ? He needs to display the eps on his NeXT in color, but is only getting b/w. What's the best way to reassemble the seperations and get a color image ? Any help GREATLY appreciated. Thanks. -- -Michael mgb@thoth.stetson.edu -- -Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Message-ID: <CMDnwn.4oC@fragile.termfrost.org> Organization: Terminal Frost, Springfield OH References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> <CMDD91.E5v@cc.umontreal.ca> <2lj5k1$g05@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 03:19:33 GMT jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: >One other thing I'd like to add which I don't think has been mentioned >yet. Isn't there a "problem" with swapfiles growing to inordinate >sizes and never shrinking when the machine is left on too long? I Yes, but you can REBOOT without powering off to fix it. -- Mike Andrews "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." root@fragile.termfrost.org [NeXTmail OK] - Primus kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown) Bassists do it deeper
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? In-Reply-To: gregg@outback.ny.tpc.com's message of Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:54:04 GMT To: gregg@outback.ny.tpc.com (Greg Gershowitz) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar8221217@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1994Mar8.165404.15447@outback.ny.tpc.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 03:12:14 GMT In article <1994Mar8.165404.15447@outback.ny.tpc.com> gregg@outback.ny.tpc.com (Greg Gershowitz) writes: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >In article <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu >(James Beauchamp) writes: >I am wondering what the breakeven time is for leaving NeXTs on as >opposed to turning them off. For example, is it better in terms of >wear and tear to turn them off at night or to leave them on, even >if they are not being used? Somebody told me 72 hours, but this >seems awfully long. I am speaking specifically of the monochrome >NeXTStation. >A NeXTstep machine is a UN*X workstation. Workstations are not >intended to be turned off. Ever. You buy it, you turn it on and when >it is time to sell or scrap it, you turn it off. Please do not >confuse a PC or a Mac with a real computer. Please do not confuse operating systems with machines. Don't forget that NeXTstep will run on PC's. In which case, you still don't turn them off. Absolutely. To my (and I assume many other workstation bigots) surprise we may have reached the point in which the most powerful workstations under $10k are x86 based machines running some version of UN*X. But then I wouldn't consider those to be PCs. That term should be reserved for machines running MS-DOS, Windows or OS/2. If it runs UN*X and is at least reasonably fast, it is a workstation. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? In-Reply-To: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of 9 Mar 1994 00:35:13 GMT To: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar8221926@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> <CMDD91.E5v@cc.umontreal.ca> <2lj5k1$g05@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 03:19:26 GMT In article <2lj5k1$g05@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: Kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) wrote... >Carl Edman (cedman@princeton.edu) wrote: > >: A NeXTstep machine is a UN*X workstation. Workstations are not >: intended to be turned off. Ever. You buy it, you turn it on and when >: it is time to sell or scrap it, you turn it off. Please do not >: confuse a PC or a Mac with a real computer. > >I want to believe that, and I brag about that, but consider these two facts: [...A couple good points deleted...] One other thing I'd like to add which I don't think has been mentioned yet. Isn't there a "problem" with swapfiles growing to inordinate sizes and never shrinking when the machine is left on too long? I might be mistaken as I caught the discussion on that this past summer when I had just gotten my NeXT and as such wasn't able to follow along very well. Is that problem only a problem if you don't log out? If so, then that should be an (obvious?) caveat to leaving the computer on full time. Sure, that is a problem on NeXT machines and to get around it and other problems probably you should reboot your machine from time to time. A schedule of once a week to once a month if no other problems show up seems reasonable. If you are in the enviable position of having a system so stable that it doesn't reboot all by itself from time to time you may even want to put a reboot command in the weekly or monthly admin scripts. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Re: Why cant NS mount a PC HD? Message-ID: <CMCMzL.JHy@moksha.uucp> Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized References: <2l36jc$9ff@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 14:02:09 GMT In article <2l36jc$9ff@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > In article <Feb.23.16.09.08.1994.18654@gandalf.rutgers.edu> > kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > > kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > > >I guess the subject says it all. NS can only mount a DOS partition on > the > > > > And the answer is .... NS cannot work with removable DOS media... Why > not? > > I have no idea. Something about no standard... At anyrate you'd think > that > > NS would be able to at least mount a removable drive as if it were a > fixed > > drive... > > So how come in NS 3.2 there's now an entry in /usr/filesystems/DOS.fs called DOS_RHD.fs.tiff, which is a tiff of the sysquest drive icon ? -- -Michael mgb@thoth.stetson.edu -- -Michael
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cc path for -ldsp_s ??? Date: 9 Mar 1994 03:41:45 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403090943.AA26846@dcs.shef.ac.uk> > slate# cc nextho-tec.c -ldsp_s -lsys_s -o nextho-tec > ld: Can't locate file for: -ldsp_s > slate# > > ...and a search for libdsp_s.a (per cc man page) shows it missing... > > slate# find / -name libdsp_s.a -ls -o -fstype nfs -prune > slate# > > Is the documentation (from stanford) in error? What do I have to add > (and from where) to get this to work? > Check out /usr/local/lib malc/jeeves{73} ls lib* libCrashCatcher.a libmusickit.a libunitgenerators.a libdsp.a libsynthpatches.a I hope this helps? Have fun, mmalcolm. --- SHeffield Auditory Group | Vox : (+44) 742 768555 ext 5569 Dept. Computer Science | direct : 825569 Sheffield University | Fax : (+44) 742 780972 Regent Court | Email: malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk 211 Portobello Street | (NeXTMail welcome) Sheffield S1 4DP, UK. | (Read-Receipts discouraged :-)
From: adriano@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Adriano Gabaglio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Reading Nextmail from non-Next machine Date: 9 Mar 1994 09:32:47 GMT Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zurich, Switzerland Message-ID: <2lk53v$2u3@elna.ethz.ch> References: <2lihsk$jmo@news.u.washington.edu> In article <2lihsk$jmo@news.u.washington.edu> lucifer@news.u.washington.edu (Warren Edwards) writes: >Does anyone out there know how to read next mail on a non-next machine, like a >sun or RS-6000. Has someone written an app under X to do so? Any help would >be appreciated...even the format of next mail would help. NeXTmail ist just a tar'ed, compress'ed, and uuencode'ed version of a simple rtf-file, containing all the included documents as a reference. To read NeXTmail on a non-NEXTSTEP machine, save the message and then do the following steps: 1. uudecode file # results in a file named .tar*) 2. cat .tar* | zcat | tar xvf - # uncompresses and extracts files 3. look at the file named index.rtf 4. that's it! -Adriano -- Adriano Gabaglio, Brunnmattstr. 22a, CH-6010 Kriens, Switzerland e-mail: Adriano.Gabaglio@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (NeXTmail ok) *** Editor of PowerKey, NiCE -- NeXT User Group Magazine ***
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: 9 Mar 1994 09:42:15 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2lk5ln$1o3@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CMDD91.E5v@cc.umontreal.ca> <2lj5k1$g05@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <CEDMAN.94Mar8221926@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >In article <2lj5k1$g05@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: > One other thing I'd like to add which I don't think has been mentioned > yet. Isn't there a "problem" with swapfiles growing to inordinate > sizes and never shrinking when the machine is left on too long? I > might be mistaken as I caught the discussion on that this past summer > when I had just gotten my NeXT and as such wasn't able to follow along > very well. Is that problem only a problem if you don't log out? If > so, then that should be an (obvious?) caveat to leaving the computer > on full time. > >Sure, that is a problem on NeXT machines and to get around it and >other problems probably you should reboot your machine from time to >time. A schedule of once a week to once a month if no other problems >show up seems reasonable. If you are in the enviable position of >having a system so stable that it doesn't reboot all by itself from >time to time you may even want to put a reboot command in the weekly >or monthly admin scripts. > > Carl Edman Yes, and if you don't have it done automatically via scripts for you then it's quite easy to do it manually _without_ powering down. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Backquote Problems Date: 9 Mar 1994 07:22:17 -0600 Organization: Proxima, Inc. Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403090040.AA01862@proxima.com> In article <9403070026.AA04779@cantina.lanl.gov> you wrote: > Well, I have the NextUSA keyboard selected and obviously I > can do it, i.e., type a "`". But not until a few minutes > ago. My problem was that the "`" key that I can _see_ on Think about this, Dick. You are using the "NextUSA" keyboard. This means that your PC keyboard maps as closely as possible to the original NeXT keyboard. > beeps at me. What is a bit funny is that, in Edit.app, one > tap of that key gave the beep, but in Terminal.app it was > silent on the first tap, then beeped on a second tap. Remember what that key was on the NeXT kybd? Escape, or ascii 27. Edit tries to make an editdict completion (in C mode) or a filename completion within the current working directory, whereas csh (in Terminal) is waiting for one of a number of things after the escape. Shift-ESC has always been a tilde. -- Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) 506.1661 Systems Engineer McLean, VA elitman+@proxima.com echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: NeXTMail Message-ID: <1994Mar8.191925.9087@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <CM9s20.IrL@oodis01.hill.af.mil> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:19:25 GMT In article <CM9s20.IrL@oodis01.hill.af.mil> salmon@oodis01.hill.af.mil (GS-12 Keith E. Salmon Mr; OO-ALC/LIWBB) writes: >Was just wondering if anyone knew if NeXTMail saves 'sent' messages somewhere >that can be brought back up and resent again and again if so desired. Thanks. > >Keith Salmon >Aerospace Engineer >545 Test Group >Hill Air Force Base, Utah >salmon@lgb.hill.af.mil (NeXTMail preferred) > > This won't help for mail you've already sent, but to `archive' e-mail set the preference in Mail.app. It creates a mailbox `Outgoing' and puts a copy of every e-mail you send from then on. You may have to quit Mail and restart it to set this in motion. I don't believe there's a place NEXTSTEP stores e-mail, except for the spool area, but I'm clue-impaired as far as that's concerned. Good Luck! -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: dbruce@gonzo.cs.uoguelph.ca (Dave Bruce) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Canon PS-IPU screen frequencies Date: 9 Mar 1994 14:26:19 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Message-ID: <2lkmab$hbh@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> In looking at the PPD for the Canon PS-IPU Colour Laser printer there are three screen frequencies mentioned. *% Halftone Information =============== *ScreenFreq: "94.0" *% For 71 lpi / 400 dpi =============================== *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessBlack.71lpi.400dpi/71 lpi / 400 dpi: "45.0" *% For 47 lpi / 400 dpi =============================== *ColorSepScreenAngle ProcessBlack.47lpi.400dpi/47 lpi / 400 dpi: "45.0" Two questions: What is the default screen frequency for the Canon PS-IPU? If I output a PS file from, say PixelMagician (or most NeXT apps which do not let me specify screen frequencies), what do I get as a screen frequency? -- Dave Bruce Computing and Communications Services University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario 519/824-4120, ext. 6352
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Date: 9 Mar 1994 10:05:44 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403091605.AA27604@alleg.EDU> Ok, here's a little perplexing brain teaser. I have two apps in the same folder (say ~/Apps) both of which offer the same service (say "Insert Signature" for /Services/Mail). Now I do want that service to be provided, but I want app #1 to provide it (because it is running) and NOT app #2 to provide it. I can't change the name of the service (because I don't have the source and probably wouldn't know what to do with it if I did) and then disable one and use the other. Is there a way to set which one provides the service? Thanks Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed Box 931 Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 USA
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Communication with EPROM burners? Date: 9 Mar 1994 12:30:40 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2lkfhg$13b@steffi.demon.co.uk> Has anybody written any software that allows a NeXT to send down the binary image to an EPROM burner? I believe most software is based on Intel machines. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: counting total pages printed on ethernetted printer Date: 9 Mar 1994 10:59:56 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403091701.AA01020@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Unfortunately the comp.lang.postscript FAQ doesn't quite answer my question -- our goal is to find how many pages have been printed in each job on an ethernetted PostScript printer (so no convenient serial interface). One way would be to redefine showpage, but this seems clumsy, and in particular open to abuse (I know of someone who managed to get round this such that only 3 pages were reported as having been printed after a 100 page job). Alternatively the printer could be interrogated with pagecount before and after the job -- the question is, how, on an ethernetted (Kyocera, if that makes a difference) printer? [I'd also be pleased to be reminded how to do this for a NeXT printer -- I'm sure one of ours, with very heavy use over the last four years, has gone way past its normal life expectancy!] Have fun, mmalcolm. --- SHeffield Auditory Group | Vox : (+44) 742 768555 ext 5569 Dept. Computer Science | direct : 825569 Sheffield University | Fax : (+44) 742 780972 Regent Court | Email: malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk 211 Portobello Street | (NeXTMail welcome) Sheffield S1 4DP, UK. | (Read-Receipts discouraged :-)
From: gloger@dbulm1.uucp (Jochen Gloger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: sed and tar help needed Message-ID: <1994Mar9.173302.604@dbulm1.uucp> Date: 9 Mar 94 17:33:02 +0100 Organization: Daimler-Benz, Forschungszentrum Ulm Hi, I have two problems concerning pure UNIX. 1. How can I force the substitute command in sed to look for an extended-ASCII-character described as a three digit octal number? For example, the German city name Luebeck (here written without the umlauts) is written in DEC-multinational character code as L\374beck (emacs writing style) I want to transform this word into NeXT-keymapping, namely L\366beck. (emacs writing style) Since I have to this with a lot of files, I can't use Edit or Emacs with the tr command, but I was not very successful to persuade sed to do this task. The following sed command did not work: s/\374/\366/ So, what can I do? 2. Imaging a list of file names provided for instance by a UNIX "find" command. Now I want to put this file list into a tar pipe, to copy these files to another location, but this did not work, also. Here are my trials: a) <filelist provided by find> | tar cf - | (cd toAnotherLocation; tar xf -) Not a correct syntax b) <filelist provided by find> | tar cf - . | (cd toAnotherLocation; tar xf -) Does not care about "filelist" c) tar cf - `<filelist provided by find>` | (cd toAnotherLocation; tar xf -) tar: arglist too long d) xargs tar cf - `<filelist provided by find>` | (cd toAnotherLocation; tar xf -) xargs: arglist too long Thanks in advance for any help Kind regards Jochen Gloger =============================================================================== Jochen Gloger, Daimler-Benz AG, Research Center Ulm, Institute of Information Technology, Department of Text Understanding Phone: +49 731 505 2353, Fax: +49 731 505 4113 Address: Wilhelm-Runge-Str.11, P.O. Box 23 60, 89013 Ulm, Germany Email: unido.uucp!dbulm1!gloger OR gloger%dbulm1.uucp@germany.eu.net ===============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: walters@corndog.id.com (Chris Walters) Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Message-ID: <1994Mar9.054446.2237@corndog.id.com> Organization: Intrinsic Development Corporation References: <2ldqf1$2so@agate.berkeley.edu> Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 05:44:46 GMT izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > > That would be too messy because you will have a hell of a problem > synchronizing samples from all the channels or channel pairs. I > don't think AV mac or any of standard audio cards for PC's or Macs > can be a solution because most will typically handle only two > channels. What about recording a special "mark" on the track. This allows the mixing software to locate the "beginning" of the music, and each byte stream could be synched based on the offset of the "mark" in the file. -- Chris Walters 13711 Rosetree Court UBS Securities Chantilly, VA 22030 walters@id.com (703)742-0470,(703)742-0471 FAX ------------------------- Hack Naked --------------------------
From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Date: 09 Mar 1994 17:22:56 GMT Organization: Department of Biological Sciences, Stanford University Message-ID: <MAGNUS.94Mar9092257@fisher.Stanford.EDU> References: <9403091605.AA27604@alleg.EDU> In-reply-to: luomat@alleg.EDU's message of 9 Mar 1994 10:05:44 -0600 Can't you use Preferences to disable the service. I don't know if it would then disable the "correct" service, but I would think so. The question is whether the other one then becomes visible... -- Magnus Nordborg magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail welcome) Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-5020 +1 (415) 723-4952 (office)
From: gl4201@emunix.emich.edu (STiMPY) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/fip floppy drive question Date: 9 Mar 1994 17:41:06 GMT Organization: Eastern Michigan University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ll1ni$q0p@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Problem: NS/fip workspace manager does not let me initialize a diskette and it doesn't alow me to eject a disk, but I can read and write to it. NeXT tech answer: buy a certified system. info: I built this system myself and I use a VLB IDE controller to controll the floppy drive, I know this is a no-no. I will be trying another controller soon. Question: are there any NS/fip users, who have built their own system, that would like to share with my how they are able to initialize diskettes or eject them (the menu has never turned black for me) I also own an Adaptec 1542-CF, will this work? (NeXT sez no). thanx for the help Gary -- ================================================= gl4201@emunix.emich.edu stimpy@toadstool.ann-arbor.mi.us If you're not running NeXTstep, you're WRONG! =================================================
From: slxn8@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff->eps -> NeXT via photoshop Can this be true ?!? Message-ID: <1994Mar9.093635.12976@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Mar 94 09:36:34 MDT References: <CMBwHy.Gvp@moksha.uucp> Organization: Utah State University In article <CMBwHy.Gvp@moksha.uucp>, mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) writes: > I'm posting for a friend w/ no net access. He claims that when saving a tiff > as eps on a mac from photoshop that the eps contains 4 bitmaps, one for each > of CMYK, as well as a "thumbnail." Is this really true ? He needs to display > the eps on his NeXT in color, but is only getting b/w. What's the best way to > reassemble the seperations and get a color image ? Any help GREATLY > appreciated. Have him save it out as a CMYK Tiff from PhotoShop instead. Works great. Just make sure your in the CMYK mode in PhotoShop when you save out and it will work just fine. By the way, the pre-separated EPS (4 bitmaps), will most likely print out O.K. if you have a color printer...but of course, on the screen is what you want. ====================================================================== John Zollinger (NextMail Preferred) Programmer/Analyst ati06!obsidian!johnz@attati.attmail.com [Moore BCS - Logan, Utah] "Life is too important to take seriously." ======================================================================
From: ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Date: 9 Mar 1994 18:38:50 GMT Organization: Academic Computing Services, Sheffield University Message-ID: <2ll53q$cfd@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <9403091605.AA27604@alleg.EDU> : I can't change the name of the service (because I don't have the : source and probably wouldn't know what to do with it if I did) and : then disable one and use the other. Is there a way to set which one : provides the service? : Look in Preferences.app Scroll to the right-hand end, and you'll find Services. In the Inspector you can disable whichever Services you don't want. This is easier to do than to explain! Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Message-ID: <CMEr49.23E@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <9403091605.AA27604@alleg.EDU> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 17:26:33 GMT Tim Luoma writes > I have two apps in the same folder (say ~/Apps) both of which offer > the same service (say "Insert Signature" for /Services/Mail). Now I > do want that service to be provided, but I want app #1 to provide it > (because it is running) and NOT app #2 to provide it. > Is there a way to set which one > provides the service? use Preferences.app -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: tec@alumni.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cc path for -ldsp_s ??? Date: 9 Mar 1994 18:46:50 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Alumni Association Message-ID: <2ll5iq$2mi@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <9403090943.AA26846@dcs.shef.ac.uk> In article <9403090943.AA26846@dcs.shef.ac.uk>, Malcolm Crawford <M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk> wrote: >> slate# cc nextho-tec.c -ldsp_s -lsys_s -o nextho-tec >> ld: Can't locate file for: -ldsp_s >> slate# > >Check out > /usr/local/lib > >malc/jeeves{73} ls lib* >libCrashCatcher.a libmusickit.a libunitgenerators.a >libdsp.a libsynthpatches.a > I also got email suggesting that I try -ldsp rather than -dsp_s, and your /usr/local/lib listing shows libdsp.a not libdsp_s.a. Running "cc nextho-tec.c -ldsp -lsys_s -o nextho-tec" returns no errors. Thanks, tec
From: eric@skatter.usask.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Communication with EPROM burners? Date: 9 Mar 1994 18:56:50 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <2ll65i$h8d@tribune.usask.ca> References: <2lkfhg$13b@steffi.demon.co.uk> From article <2lkfhg$13b@steffi.demon.co.uk>, by robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson): > Has anybody written any software that allows a NeXT to send down the > binary image to an EPROM burner? I believe most software is based on > Intel machines. > > -- > "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) > "No, what?" > "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) > (ASCII for text only messages) What kind of `EPROM burner' do you mean? I have put together an application that transfers files to/from and controls an ALLPRO 88XR universal device programmer connected through a serial port. Works on black and white hardware. -- Eric Norum eric@skatter.usask.ca Saskatchewan Accelerator Laboratory University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon, Canada. NeXTMail accepted.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mikes@ceco.ceco.com (Michael Stepniczka) Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Serv Message-ID: <CMExp5.6qw@ceco.ceco.com> Sender: root@ceco.ceco.com (Operator) Organization: Commonwealth Edison Company References: <9403091605.AA27604@alleg.EDU> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 19:48:40 GMT In article AA27604@alleg.EDU, luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) writes: > Ok, here's a little perplexing brain teaser. > > I have two apps in the same folder (say ~/Apps) both of which offer > the same service (say "Insert Signature" for /Services/Mail). Now I > do want that service to be provided, but I want app #1 to provide it > (because it is running) and NOT app #2 to provide it. > > I can't change the name of the service (because I don't have the > source and probably wouldn't know what to do with it if I did) and > then disable one and use the other. Is there a way to set which one > provides the service? > If the second app doesn't have any real need to be registered with the workspace, you can create a second apps directory (say /LocalAppsMore or ~/MoreApps) that will not be looked at by WM when you log in. Leave app#1 in the ~/Apps directory. This helps when you have a lot of apps as well since you only register apps that need registering- WM doesn't have to look into programs that you don't really care to register anyway. Of course, this may not be your situation. If you really need to leave both in the ~/Apps directory... ? Hope this helps. Mike Stepniczka mikes@ceco.ceco.com
From: kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: sed and tar help needed Followup-To: comp.unix.misc Date: 9 Mar 1994 14:37:36 -0600 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Message-ID: <2llc2g$b20@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> References: <1994Mar9.173302.604@dbulm1.uucp> In article <1994Mar9.173302.604@dbulm1.uucp>, Jochen Gloger <gloger@dbulm1.uucp> wrote: >Hi, >I have two problems concerning pure UNIX. > >1. (DELETED -- I don't know) > >2. Imaging a list of file names provided for instance by a UNIX "find" >command. Now I want to put this file list into a tar pipe, to copy these files >to another location, but this did not work, also. > >Here are my trials: > >a) <filelist provided by find> | tar cf - | (cd toAnotherLocation; tar xf -) >Not a correct syntax > >b) <filelist provided by find> | tar cf - . | (cd toAnotherLocation; tar xf -) >Does not care about "filelist" > >c) tar cf - `<filelist provided by find>` | (cd toAnotherLocation; tar xf -) >tar: arglist too long > >d) xargs tar cf - `<filelist provided by find>` | (cd toAnotherLocation; tar >xf -) >xargs: arglist too long > > >Thanks in advance for any help >Kind regards >Jochen Gloger > >=============================================================================== >Jochen Gloger, Daimler-Benz AG, Research Center Ulm, >Institute of Information Technology, Department of Text Understanding >Phone: +49 731 505 2353, Fax: +49 731 505 4113 >Address: Wilhelm-Runge-Str.11, P.O. Box 23 60, 89013 Ulm, Germany >Email: unido.uucp!dbulm1!gloger OR > gloger%dbulm1.uucp@germany.eu.net >=============================================================================== > For number two, you should use cpio: <filelist provided by find> | cpio -pdmv <toAnotherLocation> Lookup CPIO. -- Randy Kunkee Self Employed 713-870-1334 kunkee@sugar.neosoft.com
From: jon@perca.umd.edu (Jonathan Kruger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Simple keyboard macros? Date: 9 Mar 1994 15:51:18 -0500 Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Message-ID: <2llcs6$ehi@perca.umd.edu> How would I go about making F1 or Alt-F2 or something simply enter the ASCII string "anonymous^M"? I'm using 3.2/Intel. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Kruger |Phone: 410-326-7306 Fax: 410-326-7361 |My opinions aren't jon@cbl.umd.edu |UMCEES/CBL, PO Box 38, Solomons, MD 20688 |necessarily CBL's.
From: kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tried taking .rtf file to Kinkos Date: 9 Mar 1994 14:48:42 -0600 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Message-ID: <2llcna$ej4@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> References: <2lj15b$e95@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> <2lj2ug$5it@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2lj2ug$5it@agate.berkeley.edu>, Greg C. Foliente <gregf@fpl91.Berkeley.EDU> wrote: >In article <2lj15b$e95@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy >Kunkee) writes: >> I just had an interesting experience. Not yet havin my own laser >> printer, I tried to take a .rtf file to Kinko's and let them print >> it for me. This really did not work out very well. After trying >> several things, the person there (who was really very helpful and >> knowledgeable I might add) used an IBM system to import to MS-WORD. >> On the screen the file looked okay, but the left margin was chopped >> a little and the printer used twice as many pages as necessary (the >> bottom half of 4 pages was blank. >> >> Without buying other word processing packages, does anyone have any >> idea how I might render this .rtf file to be compatable with Kinko's? >> Know of any PD software to convert .rtf to postscript? I guess 'edit' >> really is pretty crude -- I can't find a way to even set margins on it, >> at short of editing the .rtf file with VI. >> -- >> Randy Kunkee > >To set margins in Edit: Format->Text->Show Ruler >then drag the markers where you like. > >To get .ps file: Print...->Save...->(at the pop-out item below Name:___, >get "Normal Device-Independent PostScript") >then write your filename.ps, click OK. > >On to Kinko's... >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >Greg C. Foliente gregf@nature.berkeley.edu >Forest Products Lab (NeXTMail) gregf@fpl91.berkeley.edu >UC Berkeley phone: (510) 215-4282 >------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you. And to Stephen Peters, David Aspinall, and others who responded via email. I feel kind of dumb, green and all that. Thought I remembered a ruler, but forgot how to get it up. :-) -- Randy Kunkee Self Employed 713-870-1334 kunkee@sugar.neosoft.com
From: yackd@idaho.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Reading Nextmail from non-Next machine Date: 9 Mar 94 14:21:51 Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lleld$jae@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <2lihsk$jmo@news.u.washington.edu> <2lk53v$2u3@elna.ethz.ch> Originator: yackd@idaho.et.byu.edu In article <2lk53v$2u3@elna.ethz.ch>, adriano@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Adriano Gabaglio) writes: >In article <2lihsk$jmo@news.u.washington.edu> >lucifer@news.u.washington.edu (Warren Edwards) writes: >>Does anyone out there know how to read next mail on a non-next machine, like a >>sun or RS-6000. Has someone written an app under X to do so? Any help would >>be appreciated...even the format of next mail would help. > >NeXTmail ist just a tar'ed, compress'ed, and uuencode'ed version of a >simple rtf-file, containing all the included documents as a reference. > >To read NeXTmail on a non-NEXTSTEP machine, save the message and then >do the following steps: > >1. uudecode file # results in a file named .tar*) >2. cat .tar* | zcat | tar xvf - # uncompresses and extracts files >3. look at the file named index.rtf >4. that's it! Except that I'd recommend using gnutar instead of tar for proper unpacking of attachments that have long pathnames. (tar will still work, buy may give you a bunch of mangled pathnames and a file of where they really go; gnutar will put the files in the right places automatically for you.) -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing. don@darth.byu.edu (My NeXT at home. Send me NeXTMail. Pleeeease.)
From: nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU (James Nielsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tried taking .rtf file to Kinkos Date: 9 Mar 1994 23:20:57 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2lllkp$1cp@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2llcna$ej4@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> In article <2llcna$ej4@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) writes: > In article <2lj2ug$5it@agate.berkeley.edu>, > Greg C. Foliente <gregf@fpl91.Berkeley.EDU> wrote: > >In article <2lj15b$e95@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy > >Kunkee) writes: > >> I just had an interesting experience. Not yet havin my own laser > >> printer, I tried to take a .rtf file to Kinko's and let them print > >> it for me. This really did not work out very well. After trying ...... By the way, there is one sure way to get Mac's to print a Postscript file from Microsoft Word. Just take the mac disk with the postscript text (converted with ConvertText.app or whatever it is called) to the Macintosh and load it into Word as text. Then Select All, choose the menu item Styles... (under Format I believe), make sure the "All Styles" button in the dialog box is on, and change the style to "PostScript". Then print to your PostScript mac printer. Try this on a small file first....I wouldn't want to be responsible for the printing of some 500k Postscript file as all text. -jamey.
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: xv 3.0 binary for NS/I 3.2 uploaded Date: 9 Mar 1994 15:19:28 GMT Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2lkpe0$197@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just uploaded three packages to ftp.uni-stuttgart.de:/pub/systems/next/i486/X11 - xv 3.0 the ultimate graphics tool - mxterm xterm with Motif scrollbar - asedit Motif editor Source is included in the packages in order not to violate any copyright restrictions. The binaries were compiled on NS/I 3.2 with the coXist developer package. Thanks to Kay Schulz <kay@nagasena.tynet.sub.org> for this submission. Known problems with xv 3.0: - only 24 Bit color mode displays correctly - GRAB function terminates the application mostly with a memory fault error. I wasn't able to find out the reason for it yet. Enjoy, Markus. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Veni, vidi, NeXTSTEPi.
From: rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Changine icons and other silliness. Date: 9 Mar 1994 22:41:54 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2lm4u2$862@panix2.panix.com> References: <schwettCMArpB.4Bt@netcom.com> Mark Schwettmann (schwett@netcom.com) wrote: : Hi All! : Now that I've gotten all oft he serious problems out of the way, : is there any way I can change the icon of a file under NS/I? : I have the developer kit, and there is indeed an icon editor, but it : is (I Assume) for creating icons and using them with programs that you : write. : Bt I find some miscellaneous icons on cs.orst.edu which leads me to believe : that it is possible. : Anyone know how? : Do I need a proggie to do it for me? if so , is there one for NS/i? I know that .dir.tiff in any directory will become the directory icon. By extension, maybe something similar for files. I'll check it out. thanks, RS
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Date: 9 Mar 1994 22:56:01 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403100456.AA26139@alleg.EDU> Many thanks to all who replied -- and so quickly! And special thanks to Glenn Brown for teaching me about the 'segedit' command, and being a generally nice guy, offering to take care of this for me. Tim Luoma --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed Box 931 Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 USA
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a way to keep in cwd when telnetting/rlogging Date: 9 Mar 1994 23:06:24 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403100505.AA26288@alleg.EDU> Here's the problem: I'm in folder ~/a/very/long/path when I realize I have to telnet somewhere. I go there and all of a sudden I'm in ~/ when I wanted to stay in ~/a/very/long/path. Before I log out, I go to ~/a/very/long/path/but/not/the/same/one and then I logout and I go back to ~/a/very/long/path, which I no longer need to be in. Is there a way to save my cwd on either/both telnetting/logging out? Thanks Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed Box 931 Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 USA
From: kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tried taking .rtf file to Kinkos Date: 10 Mar 1994 01:01:34 -0600 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Message-ID: <2lmgke$2r@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> References: <2llcna$ej4@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> <2lllkp$1cp@nntp2.stanford.edu> In article <2lllkp$1cp@nntp2.stanford.edu>, James Nielsen <nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU> wrote: >In article <2llcna$ej4@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy >Kunkee) writes: >> In article <2lj2ug$5it@agate.berkeley.edu>, >> Greg C. Foliente <gregf@fpl91.Berkeley.EDU> wrote: >> >In article <2lj15b$e95@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM >(Randy >> >Kunkee) writes: >> >> I just had an interesting experience. Not yet havin my own laser >> >> printer, I tried to take a .rtf file to Kinko's and let them print >> >> it for me. This really did not work out very well. After trying > >...... > > >By the way, there is one sure way to get Mac's to print a Postscript file >from Microsoft Word. Just take the mac disk with the postscript text >(converted with ConvertText.app or whatever it is called) to the Macintosh >and load it into Word as text. Then Select All, choose the menu item >Styles... (under Format I believe), make sure the "All Styles" button in >the dialog box is on, and change the style to "PostScript". Then print to >your PostScript mac printer. > >Try this on a small file first....I wouldn't want to be responsible for >the printing of some 500k Postscript file as all text. > >-jamey. > Thanks for all the good suggestions. Printing to a .ps file in the print menu worked like a champ. Took the copy back to Kinko's on a DOS format disk and they printed it with a simple "copy letter.ps lpt1:" command. The only knock against edit is not being able to see that the very last line of my letter got put on a second page. There was no indication from edit.app this would happen until I actually saw the printout. -- Randy Kunkee Self Employed 713-870-1334 kunkee@sugar.neosoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mperry@netcom.com (Michael Perry) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Message-ID: <mperryCMFvG3.AME@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> <CMDD91.E5v@cc.umontreal.ca> <2lj5k1$g05@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 07:57:39 GMT Reboot, but don't cycle power if you can avoid it. jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: >Isn't there a "problem" with swapfiles growing to inordinate >sizes and never shrinking when the machine is left on too long?
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Simple keyboard macros? Date: 10 Mar 1994 08:35:47 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2lmm53$sc5@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2llcs6$ehi@perca.umd.edu> In article <2llcs6$ehi@perca.umd.edu> jon@perca.umd.edu (Jonathan Kruger) writes: >How would I go about making F1 or Alt-F2 or something simply enter the >ASCII string "anonymous^M"? If you put (e.g.) machine sonata.cc.purdue.edu login anonymous password jon@cbl.umd.edu in a .netrc file you'll probably feel a whole lot better. [Don't use this for non-anonymous logins!] -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: NeXTWorld Expo Message-ID: <CMC07D.A3J@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <2kk14o$aei@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <2koil8$5hj@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 05:50:00 GMT In article <2koil8$5hj@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: >In article <2kk14o$aei@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> >dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) writes: >> David Green (s771966@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU) wrote: >> : Has anybody else had trouble getting information out of DCI about this >> : year's NeXTWORLD Expo?? >> >> : [...tale of woe...] >> >> : I really am quite interested in attending the Expo but without any >> : advance information how the hell can I make travel and accomodation >> : arrangements? >> >> : Quoting the "preferred customer code" doesn't seem to have worked >> : either. >> >> I've only contacted them once, but have the same result. They took [munch] >--- >Art Isbell Cubic Solutions >NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting >NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 >USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515 I have had no information, registration package, or anything concerning NWE despite attending last year's, accompanied by another member of my company. Is this NeXT's new marketing strategy? Try to boost interest by keeping it all very hush hush? david -------------- -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@trillium.ab.ca | (Albert Einstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk (Stephen Fitzpatrick) Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Message-ID: <1994Mar10.101839.16746@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@ousrvr.oulu.fi Organization: University of Oulu References: <2ll53q$cfd@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:18:39 GMT In article <2ll53q$cfd@hippo.shef.ac.uk> ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) writes: > : I can't change the name of the service (because I don't have the > : source and probably wouldn't know what to do with it if I did) and > : then disable one and use the other. Is there a way to set which one > : provides the service? > : > Look in Preferences.app > Scroll to the right-hand end, and you'll find Services. > In the Inspector you can disable whichever Services you > don't want. Don't all the Services controls work solely on the menu name? So disabling service X will disable X for all applications. What the poster wanted was to select which of several apps responds to X, or to disable X for a particular app. I can't ever remember seeing the name service name appearing more than once in the Preference module's list. What I think is necessary is that each app that provides X supplies its own option to disable X *by not registering that service*. Unfortunately, I think that requires dynamic services. Come to think of it, do the docs state anywhere what controls which app responds to a service when more than one use the same menu name? Can it be controlled, for example, by reordering your ApplicationLaunchPaths? -- Stephen Fitzpatrick | sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk O-O Department of Computer Science | (NeXT mail ok) | The Queen's University of Belfast|"Keep passing the OpenWindows" v
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Broken Open -- any [other] way to fix it? Date: 10 Mar 1994 10:20:37 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403101620.AA04569@alleg.EDU> Is there a hack/workaround/whatever to use "open -a" _without_ turning on the Public Window Server? [not an option here] It's really annoying to go without. Thanks Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Black Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail YES/MIME Mail No/ASCII YES No Root access, no super-user access.... just regular old 'user' access.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Dave@NexusAdmin.COM(David W. Fahrney) Subject: Re: FYI: Simson L. Garfinkel Message-ID: <CMFnov.35w@nexusadmin.com> Sender: dave@nexusadmin.com (David W. Fahrney) Organization: Nexus Administration References: <CM5Ht9.377@ucdavis.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 05:10:06 GMT Louis Todd Heberlein writes !> !> By the way, does anyone know if Simson Garfinkel is planning a !> STEP TWO? !> I have it on good authority that the second author of STEP ONE, Mike Mahoney, is working on STEP TWO with Bill Ballew of the Aerospace Corp. STEP TWO will be mostly about DBKit2, to be released this year. He is also starting work on a revised STEP ONE that will incorporate the OpenStep environment! -- David W. Fahrney =:-) Nexus Administration VOX: 310.640.3342 INT: Dave@NexusAdmin.COM
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: 10 Mar 1994 18:10:10 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lnnq2$jdn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <mperryCMFvG3.AME@netcom.com> In article <mperryCMFvG3.AME@netcom.com> mperry@netcom.com (Michael Perry) writes: > Reboot, but don't cycle power if you can avoid it. > I find all this prediction of doom about power cycling confusing. Hardware manufacturers seem to be able to manufacture reliable disk drives and all other components that power cycle repeatedly in the increasingly popular portable computers. The battery-saver circuits actually turn off the disk drives to save power (UNIX can't handle this, of course). A former disk engineer mentions the damage caused each time a disk is power cycled. With a *mean* time between failure of 99 years for my drive, I can withstand a lot of power-cycle "damage". Before my drive fails due to this damage, I'll bet I will have moved on to the next storage medium advance as will most of us. DEC has given me their word that my disk drive won't fail within 5 years of purchase regardless of whether I cycle its power frequently, so the cost of replacement isn't an immediate concern. Of course, warranties are no excuse for doing something that's certain to break something thus requiring energy to manufacture a replacement, but I don't think power cycling falls into this category. Besides, there's "damage" caused each time I press a keyboard key, press a mouse button, or move the mouse, but I don't hear folks issuing dire warnings about not using one's keyboard or mouse to extend their lives :-) Seems like a lot of folks are still living in the past when hardware was much more fragile. But there are signs of cracks in the dam. Even the most die-hard proponents of excessive power consumption via unnecessary continous operation of non-critical hardware seem to be admitting that it might be OK to turn off a monitor, ironically, the only remaining vacuum tube device in today's systems with its white-hot filament(s) which must undergo the most extreme thermal shock of any component when its power is cycled. But it is the most power-hungry computer component (excepting laser printers - you do turn off your laser printer when you're not using it, right?), so this is certainly a good place to start. (Bracing for the next salvo from the doom-sayers... :-) --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.misc From: Paul Sanders <paul@oscarmus.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Digital 8-track -> disk? Message-ID: <CMGouF.JDH@demon.co.uk> Sender: news@demon.co.uk (Usenet Administration) Organization: Oscar Music Productions Ltd References: <9403071337.AA17814@dcs.shef.ac.uk> <2lnhgo$8i9@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 18:32:39 GMT In article <9403071337.AA17814@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Malcolm Crawford, M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk writes: >[Kent Shephard -- thanks for your suggestion of the Session-8: I >presume that this is not a direct-to-disk solution, in which case, >given our preference for workstations, we would be beter off with the >Ariel solution?] Session 8 _is_ a direct to disk system and would seem from the spec to be the easiest and best solution for your needs. We have costed a system based on a Quadra 650 with 525Mb hard disk at 5600 GB Pounds plus VAT. Cheers Paul Oscar Music
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: wfischer@bio.indiana.edu (Will Fischer) Subject: Re: sed and tar help needed Message-ID: <CMGoqA.5An@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington References: <1994Mar9.173302.604@dbulm1.uucp> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 18:30:09 GMT I believe you want to use 'tr' (translate?) instead of sed. Standard unix utility, reads only stdin, writes stdout. yourPrompt% tr '\374' '\366' < _infile_ > _outfile_ quotes, backslashes, and <>s all significant -- Will Fischer wfischer@indiana.edu Jochen Gloger (gloger@dbulm1.uucp) wrote: : Hi, : I have two problems concerning pure UNIX. : 1. How can I force the substitute command in sed to look for an : extended-ASCII-character described as a three digit octal number? For example, : the German city name Luebeck (here written without the umlauts) is written in : DEC-multinational character code as : L\374beck (emacs writing style) : I want to transform this word into NeXT-keymapping, namely : L\366beck. (emacs writing style) : Since I have to this with a lot of files, I can't use Edit or Emacs with the : tr command, but I was not very successful to persuade sed to do this task. The : following sed command did not work: : s/\374/\366/ : So, what can I do? [ other inquiry on 'find' deleted ] : Thanks in advance for any help : Kind regards Mutual, I'm sure. -- wf : Jochen Gloger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: Simple keyboard macros? Message-ID: <CMGMwH.w2@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <2lmm53$sc5@nic-nac.CSU.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 17:50:40 GMT Eric P. Scott writes > If you put (e.g.) > machine sonata.cc.purdue.edu login anonymous password jon@cbl.umd.edu > in a .netrc file you'll probably feel a whole lot better. or even better, get the excellent ftp replacement ncftp -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mehta-anand@yale.edu Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Message-ID: <1994Mar10.192414.5392@news.yale.edu> Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Yale University References: <1994Mar10.101839.16746@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 19:24:14 GMT In article <1994Mar10.101839.16746@ousrvr.oulu.fi> sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk (Stephen Fitzpatrick) writes: > Don't all the Services controls work solely on the menu name? > So disabling service X will disable X for all applications. > What the poster wanted was to select which of several apps > responds to X, or to disable X for a particular app. I can't > ever remember seeing the name service name appearing more than > once in the Preference module's list. Well, you can change the command keys if that helps at all. This is from NeXTAnswers preferences.769: > Q: I know that I can use the Preferences application to > specify a command key for a given command in a menu, but the > key alternative applies to all applications. Is there a way > to specify a command key that will apply to just one > application? > > A: Yes, you can do this, but you must resort to dwrite(1) to > set the NXCommandKeys default for that application. The > format is "menu item name, command key, menu item name, > command key,..." with each element delineated by a comma. > Example: "Page Layout..., P, Heavier, H, Lighter, L". > > Let's say you often accidentally hit Command-q in Terminal, > so you would like to change the key alternative for Quit to > Command-Q, but only in the Terminal application. This simple > dwrite command should solve that problem: > > localhost> dwrite Terminal NXCommandKeys "Quit, Q" > > For more information about dwrite, consult the man page. > -- ================================================================== Anand Mehta mehta-anand@yale.edu 203-436-1482 Computing Asst. We dance round in a ring and suppose, But the Secret sits in the middle and knows. ==================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: MS Windows PS Compatibility With NextStep Message-ID: <1994Mar9.152531.15234@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <BYER.94Mar2145930@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 15:25:31 GMT In article <BYER.94Mar2145930@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: > > >>>>> "Louis" == Louis J Everett <lje0106@sigma.tamu.edu> writes: > > Louis> In the windows setup I can select several postscript printers eg. > Louis> Generic Postscript Apple Lasers (various models listed) etc. > > Louis> In addition I can configure windows and tell it to produce PS or EPS > Louis> files and whether to use printer defined True Type fonts or not. > > Louis> I basically tell windows that the printer is some type and it is > Louis> connected to a file. When I print something, windows prompts for the > Louis> file name and creates a file for me. I bring the file to work and put > Louis> it on my Next then double click on the .ps or .eps file. Things > Louis> almost work, the only problem is the previewer/printer does not > Louis> recognize the pagination and cannot jump to a random page. > > This is due to the Window PS Driver not generating correct DSC comments, > which is what the previewer uses to determine pagination. If you can get > your hands on the Adobe Window PostScript driver (I'm not sure how, I'll try > and find out) you'll be much better off. > > Louis> QUESTION: What printers are compatible with the NEXT laser? Should I > Louis> tell Windows to generate EPS or PS, and how should I respond to the > Louis> Printer True Type font question? > > The interpreter in NEXTSTEP is Level 2, and should be compatible with any of > the Level 2 printers listed. The Apple LaserWriter II NTX should be a good > choice. > > As for the TrueType question, my biased opinion is that you should set > yourself up with ATM on the Windows system and simply avoid TrueType fonts. > They'll print slower under NEXTSTEP that Type 1 fotns will. Biased is the key word there :) My experience is that you should use fonts whose names map to names of fonts that you have on your NeXT. -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
From: elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: RFC index for DL Date: 10 Mar 1994 14:52:01 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403101831.AA04784@proxima.com> Has anyone come up with some interesting ways of indexing the RFC tree under DL? Searching it using the plain-vanilla indexing mode is horribly slow, and provides no info about the contents. -- Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) 506.1661 Systems Engineer McLean, VA elitman+@proxima.com echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: wfischer@bio.indiana.edu (Will Fischer) Subject: Re: sed and tar help needed Message-ID: <CMGtu0.Fqr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington References: <CMGoqA.5An@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:20:24 GMT I (wfischer@bio.indiana.edu) wrote: : I believe you want to use 'tr' (translate?) instead of sed. [ cut ] For multiple files, use a foreach loop (csh or tcsh): yourPrompt% foreach file ( _list_of_files_ ) ? tr '\374' '\366' < $file > $file.good ? end replace _list_of_files_ with individual file names, *wildcards, whatever. Hope I'm not insulting your intelligence :-) : -- Will Fischer : wfischer@indiana.edu : Jochen Gloger (gloger@dbulm1.uucp) wrote: : : Hi, : : I have two problems concerning pure UNIX. : : 1. How can I force the substitute command in sed to look for an : : extended-ASCII-character described as a three digit octal number? For example, : : the German city name Luebeck (here written without the umlauts) is written in : : DEC-multinational character code as : : L\374beck (emacs writing style) : : I want to transform this word into NeXT-keymapping, namely : : L\366beck. (emacs writing style) : : Since I have to this with a lot of files, I can't use Edit or Emacs with the : : tr command, but I was not very successful to persuade sed to do this task. The : : following sed command did not work: : : s/\374/\366/ : : So, what can I do? : [ other inquiry on 'find' deleted ] : : Thanks in advance for any help : : Kind regards : Mutual, I'm sure. : -- wf : : Jochen Gloger -- ________________________________________________________________________ \\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/ Will Fischer In the old time the facts of Nature were beautiful in themselves and Gradual Student needed not the rouge of speculation Department of Biology to quicken their charm, but that was Indiana University long ago, before modern science Bloomington, Indiana 47401 USA was born. wfischer@indiana.edu -- William Bateson, 1893
From: mwa@ife.ee.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.2/I and putenv() Date: 10 Mar 1994 22:44:02 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Elektronik, ETH Zuerich, Switzerland Message-ID: <2lo7ri$fup@elna.ethz.ch> References: <2kvube$pgg@marble.Britain.EU.net> <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Mar2115138@shrug.dur.ac.uk> In article <S.A.MCINTYRE.94Mar2115138@shrug.dur.ac.uk>, Scott A. McIntyre <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> wrote: >strdup() This one you can easily get around by adding "-Dstrdup=NXCopyStringBuffer" to the CFLAGS definition in the Makefile. -Marcel
From: mwa@ife.ee.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Scene_movies Date: 10 Mar 1994 22:57:40 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Elektronik, ETH Zuerich, Switzerland Message-ID: <2lo8l4$g2b@elna.ethz.ch> References: <9403042030.AA12466@dcs.shef.ac.uk> In article <9403042030.AA12466@dcs.shef.ac.uk>, Malcolm Crawford <M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk> wrote: >Umm, not quite -- the most fun ones, eagle and fish, don't work. >Anyone any idea where the "run" command is defined? I've just merged the "run" files into the main file at the location they were called, which creates a 510KB file (gzip -9 makes 60KB of them). I play it with "gzat fish.eps.gz | pft". This gives a short startup delay but saves space on the disk. I've also changed the delay to make it swim smoother. -Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) Subject: Ejecting a floppy after untar'ing it Message-ID: <espritCMH27v.HsM@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 23:21:29 GMT How do I eject a floppy after tar'ing or untar'ing it? -- ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Alan F. Perry | Life is short, but by achieving greater speeds alanp@eng.sun.com (work) | a man can make his life a little longer and esprit@netcom.com (home) | more affluent - Soichiro Honda
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Zyxel users out there? Date: 10 Mar 1994 20:30:33 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2lo019$190@steffi.demon.co.uk> If you are a Zyxel user. I like to let you know that recently I upgraded to V 611a M release of the software. Use to be running V 5.04 M. This was a painless process. I had somebody fetch the image on the Zyxel ftp site and burn the ROM for me. Getting the actual modem open was the main chore. Take a look at the bottom some time (1496E) I'd also like to let everybody know that there is a comprehensive FAQ for Zyxels (and tech support often frequents the group) in comp.dcom.modems. IMHO: The Zyxel is the best technically supported modem on the planet. I've had good experiences both with BandW as well as Zyxel. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: NewsGrazer v75 and 72.3 bug Message-ID: <CMH49x.94o@ucdavis.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 00:05:56 GMT Summary: NewsGrazer versions 75 and 72.3 running on NEXTSTEP 3.0 on a NeXTstation TurboColor is crashing when certain newsgroups are read. (currently comp.sys.next.misc) It appears to be associated with the sort articles and prefetch title options. Details: To get my NewsGrazer to crash, the following conditions need to exist: 1) the Preferences/Article Summary/Prefetch article title is checked 2) the Preferences/Article Summary/Sort articles box is checked 3) All the articles is comp.sys.next.misc have all been prefetched before I look at the news group Obviously there is some article or situation currently with comp.sys.next.misc on my local usenet server which is causing my NewsGrazer to crash. If I am in the newsgroup when the articles are not already prefetched and sorted (e.g., if I go to that newsgroup first before the article title are found, or if I go to csnm with one of the above preferences turned off and then turn it on once I am in there), then it works fine. However, once the group's titles are fetched and sorted, if I leave the group and return, NewsGrazer will once again crash. I am currently trying to find if one particular article is causing the problem. I will keep you posted. Todd Heberlein heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Date: 10 Mar 1994 18:50:29 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403110050.AA25346@alleg.EDU> Look in Preferences.app Scroll to the right-hand end, and you'll find Services. In the Inspector you can disable whichever Services you don't want. This is easier to do than to explain! Yes but if app#1 provides service Service/xyz/123 and app#2 provides Service/xyz/123 you cannot tell it _which_ app (or executable) to specify for that service, and you cannot give it a specific key command (well, you can, but that still has nothing to do with which app gives you the service) If I have app#1 running and select that service 123 it launches app#2 (which I don't need running). The original problem has been taken care of through an email response to my original post, thanks to Glenn Brown. Tim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lewis@scs423.csc.wsu.edu (Ralph Lewis) Subject: An error code, does anyone have a manual? Message-ID: <1994Mar11.001927.1818@serval.net.wsu.edu> Keywords: error Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 00:19:27 GMT I'm trying to install NeXTSTEP 3.0 on a trusty ole NeXT, problem: the NeXT fails the system test and sez that it is an error 'c2' from the monitor. I was wondering if anyone had a manual handy that could tell me what this error is. I can't seem to find ours.... Ralph Lewis Student Computing Services at WSU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Christopher Lloyd) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Message-ID: <CMGrK8.DqC@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <mperryCMFvG3.AME@netcom.com> <2lnnq2$jdn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 19:31:19 GMT In article <2lnnq2$jdn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: >In article <mperryCMFvG3.AME@netcom.com> mperry@netcom.com (Michael Perry) >writes: >> Reboot, but don't cycle power if you can avoid it. >> > I find all this prediction of doom about power cycling confusing. >Hardware manufacturers seem to be able to manufacture reliable disk drives >and all other components that power cycle repeatedly in the increasingly >popular portable computers. The battery-saver circuits actually turn off >the disk drives to save power (UNIX can't handle this, of course). >[..] If you think you'll damage the machine by shutting it off, you don't shut it off, then you never find out what happens if you do shut it off. catch-22. Luckily, I grew up out in the middle of nowhere, and no one ever told me that shutting off my computer would wear it out, so when I was done, I'd power it off. Oddly enough, several old PC's with hard disks have managed to survive years of incessant power cycling and have lasted far beyond their usefulness. These days, when I'm done with my NeXT at night, I turn it off, and every day for the last 3 years I have turned it back on successfully. Before that my Mac SE/30 used to undergo constant power cycles during development :) and it was no worse for the wear. I think this whole "don't cycle power" thing is bunk, but then again I'm just a hick who wouldn't know better :) shrug, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid, Inc. :: lloyd@yrrid.com lloyd@world.std.com :: :: If I had known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself ::
From: ginsparg@lanl.gov (PG) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Zyxel users out there? Date: 11 Mar 1994 02:57:42 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2lomn6$rt1@newshost.lanl.gov> References: <2lo019$190@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2lo019$190@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > If you are a Zyxel user. I like to let you know that recently I > upgraded to V 611a M release of the software. Use to be running > V 5.04 M. This was a painless process. I had somebody fetch the image > on the Zyxel ftp site and burn the ROM for me. > IMHO: The Zyxel is the best technically supported modem on the planet. > I've had good experiences both with BandW as well as Zyxel. > note that there was a problem with outgoing faxes in version 6.00 of the software (had it on both a 1496E and a 1496E+). problem was pointed out to me by BandW. on request, Zyxel sent me upgraded PROM's for free. easily replaced. good experiences seconded. <a href="http://xxx.lanl.gov/pg.html">pg</a>
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Simple keyboard macros? Date: 10 Mar 1994 21:36:22 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403110336.AA01674@alleg.EDU> Well I'm new to the .netrc game, but I think it's a great tool. The only problem would be I wouldn't want to enter the new site into the file and then have to enter it in a shell too (why, that would be almost _work_!) So I wrote an alias which is pretty simple, but I thought someone might benefit from it Here is it: #-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- alias anonftp 'echo >> ~/.netrc;chmod 600 ~/.netrc;echo machine \!* login anonymous password user@your.site >> ~/.netrc; ftp \!*' #-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- What To Do: * copy the alias in your .cshrc (it is supposed to be one long line) * change "username@your.site" to your full email address What it does: * It echoes "" to the .netrc (which creates the file if it does not exist, and doesn't hurt it if it does exist) * Changes the mode of the ~/.netrc to only user readable (which is a must for the file to be accepted by the auto-login) * Takes the next argument as a site, adds the full information to your ~/.netrc (it will be appended not over-written, so any other information will be saved), and begins the FTP process. I suppose one could do a similar thing as a shell script, but why go through all that hassle? Use at your own risk :-) of course, but if you have any questions or something funky happens, please email me. Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Black Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail YES/MIME Mail No/ASCII YES No Root access, no super-user access.... just regular old 'user' access.
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Simple keyboard macros? (additional info) Date: 10 Mar 1994 21:40:12 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403110340.AA01818@alleg.EDU> Sorry, just want to make sure that I made the form clear for my last message talking about the alias 'anonftp' The correct syntax would be % anonftp name.of.site for example % anonftp cs.orst.edu Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Black Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail YES/MIME Mail No/ASCII YES No Root access, no super-user access.... just regular old 'user' access.
From: mcli@minnie.Read.TASC.COM (Maurice C. Ling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where to get 2.88M floppies Date: 10 Mar 1994 16:37:33 GMT Organization: TASC Message-ID: <2lnicdINN1b7@jumbo.read.tasc.com> Hi Everyone, After searching the FAQ and looking through Inmac catalogs, I haven't found any reference to where to buy 2.88M (ED)floppies. I really need one for an emergency boot disk for my '040 Cube. Any suggestions for mail order places or local stores in MA would be greatly appreciated! Seems like no other computers use 2.88M floppies besides black NeXTs. Thanks, -Maurice -- Maurice Ling NeXTmail: mcli@nextcube.read.tasc.com \/ School: mling@jade.tufts.edu >--< ====================== Work : mling@tasc.com /\ Optics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: RECOMMENDED: G.E.C. for Pentium & 486 NEXTSTEP! Message-ID: <1994Mar11.032929.9983@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 03:29:29 GMT I'm planning on writing a long-winded report of my experience shopping for and purchasing a Pentium for NEXTSTEP. Until then, here's an executive summary. If you are looking to buy a 486 or Pentium for NEXTSTEP, consider G.E.C. I had an excellent experience with them. They had everything that I wanted, and for a competitive price. My configuration (I'm still collecting benchmarks on it, stay tuned): Pentium/60 "Oasis" Super P5VESA motherboard, 512K cache, 3 VLB/8 ISA 32 Meg RAM, 2 x 4 x 36-bit (72-pin SIMMs) DPT 2021/95 SCSI-II Host Based Adapter 1.7 Gig Micropolis 2217 Fast SCSI-II hard disk ATI GUP 2 Meg VRAM VLB Rev. 6 graphics adapter 1 parallel, 2 serial 16650 UART fast I/O card 2 floppies, keyboard, serial mouse, mid-tower case Viewsonic 17 monitor =============================================== TOTAL: approx. $6300, your mileage may vary Sounds pricey, but for the Jan/Feb '94 timeframe of my shopping quest, that price was only $200 above the rock-bottom discounter price that I was able to find, and I scrounged! All of that RAM and disk and monitor add up. Factoring out all the extras, you should look to spend around $2000 for the bare motherboard and Pentium chip, and count on a steady decline in price until the P54C comes out. Total system prices will drop even more rapidly: expect to pay $1500 to $2000 less in sixth months, barring further explosions of resin factories or Clinton trade-war sanctions. Of course, Pentium ISA VLB machines are necessarily stop-gap solutions. EISA VLB is practically non-existant now. I expect all Pentiums to be PCI based by the end of the year. If you are interested, give G.E.C. a call and ask for their price list. Talk to John or Andrew, both of whom are NEXTSTEP knowledgeble. Like the ad in NEXTWORLD says, they know way more about NEXTSTEP than your average mail order PC vendor. It felt great giving my hard earned dollars to an outfit that's dedicated to NEXTSTEP. One of my co-workers bought a 486 from G.E.C. and had a good (though not perfect) experience. My experience wasn't perfect either, but the problems were minor and par for the course for mail order. I've included the state below, so you know whether you have to pay sales tax (it's 8.75% in CA for me, a major cost concern!). Vendor State Contact E-Mail/Phone ================================================================ G.E.C AZ John, Andrew 1-800-486-1000 If you talk to Andrew, mention my name. I promised I'd share the good news of my experience, and I want them to know that I'm keeping my promise. Though I ended up going with G.E.C., I encountered several good vendors during my shopping quest, and they deserve your consideration. They all were great to work with, and might have a competitive deal for your specific needs: Vendor State Contact E-Mail/Phone ================================================================ Alpine (by Lexar) CO Kris kris@alpine.com Pars International CA Macy 1-800-947-4742 eCesys AA Bob 1-800-732-3797 HiQ Systems CA Linda 1-800-827-5836 Profile Systems NV Ed 1-800-786-9950 The last two are NOT familiar with NEXTSTEP (although a technician at HiQ claims to have installed a few systems for customers). However, they have good Pentium systems, and may be willing to give you a satisfaction guarantee if you have trouble getting NEXTSTEP to work on their system. Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? In-Reply-To: art@cubicsol.com's message of 10 Mar 1994 18:10:10 GMT To: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar10174114@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <mperryCMFvG3.AME@netcom.com> <2lnnq2$jdn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 22:41:14 GMT In article <2lnnq2$jdn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: In article <mperryCMFvG3.AME@netcom.com> mperry@netcom.com (Michael Perry) writes: > Reboot, but don't cycle power if you can avoid it. But there are signs of cracks in the dam. Even the most die-hard proponents of excessive power consumption via unnecessary continous operation of non-critical hardware seem to be admitting that it might be OK to turn off a monitor, ironically, the only remaining vacuum tube device in today's systems with its white-hot filament(s) which must undergo the most extreme thermal shock of any component when its power is cycled. But it is the most power-hungry computer component While protecting your hardware is one good reason to leave your computer running at all times, you are missing the most important reasons. They are called cron, rlogin, telnet, innd, ftp, sendmail, gopherd, finger, NFS, ntp, ntpd, at, nntpd, mthreads, daytime, xterm, to name just a few. A UN*X workstation is not a dumb Mac or PC -- it doesn't just work when you sit in front of it. In addition, they take forever to boot. (excepting laser printers - you do turn off your laser printer when you're not using it, right?), Nope. Why bother ? so this is certainly a good place to start. No, the reason that a monitor is a good place to start is that most computer systems can function quite fine with it turned off. That is not the case with CPUs or hard disks. Carl Edman
From: haugelan+@pitt.edu (John C Haugeland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Lexi.font? Message-ID: <16928@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 11 Mar 94 04:51:05 GMT References: <2l8m2i$5qe@inxs.concert.net> <2l8t1p$k7e@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <2l8t1p$k7e@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: >In article <2l8m2i$5qe@inxs.concert.net> info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift, Inc.) writes: >>In article <1994Mar4.212527.9115@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu >>(Nathan F. Janette) writes: >>> What is /Next/Library/Fonts/Lexi.font, and why doesn't it show >>> up in my font panel? >>> >>Nathan, doesn't WordPerfect install that Lexi.font? > >No. It's used by Webster.app, probably for some strange symbols >used in dictionaries. Look at the PS files generated by Webster. > Izumi is right. The Lexi font contains five characters. Two of them are the heavy superscript and subscript accent characters that Webster uses to indicate syllabic emphasis. The other three are the upside-down 'e', the 'n' with a tail on it (for the "ng" sound), and the squished together 'u' + 'e' character, all used by Webster for pronunciations. In case you care, they are 0x27, 0x2c, 0x65, 0x6e, and 0x75 (in the order in which I mentioned them). John Haugeland
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where to get 2.88M floppies Date: 11 Mar 1994 07:46:47 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2lp7l7$ki2@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2lnicdINN1b7@jumbo.read.tasc.com> In article <2lnicdINN1b7@jumbo.read.tasc.com> mcli@minnie.Read.TASC.COM (Maurice C. Ling) writes: >After searching the FAQ and looking through Inmac catalogs, I haven't >found any reference to where to buy 2.88M (ED)floppies. I really >need one for an emergency boot disk for my '040 Cube. Any suggestions for >mail order places or local stores in MA would be greatly appreciated! We recently received an order sent to NeXT Connection 6 Mill Street Marlow, NH 03451 [I have my doubts about the ZIP] (800) 800-NEXT / (603) 446-7771 I think we paid $24.95 per 10 diskettes. >Seems like no other computers use 2.88M floppies besides black NeXTs. Many IBM PS/2s can use them as well (look for the "2.88" on the hallmark manual eject button). -=EPS=-
From: Tobias James Hagge <th1z+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 04:23:35 -0500 Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ghU3WLG00iV4I0k0dG@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <CEDMAN.94Mar5131922@capitalist.princeton.edu> In some article or other cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article <2l8kt9$7u8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James >Beauchamp) writes: >> I am wondering what the breakeven time is for leaving NeXTs on as opposed to >> turning them off. For example, is it better in terms of wear and tear to >> turn >> them off at night or to leave them on, even if they are not being used? >> >> Somebody told me 72 hours, but this seems awfully long. >> I am speaking specifically of the monochrome NeXTStation. As I heard it, turning off any computer is somewhat a bad idea because a) turning a computer off and on causes heat fluctuations which make the chips and cards expand and contract, causing these guys to unseat themselves from their sockets over time, and b) switches wear out faster than chips do. Turning off a computer that writes things to disk the instant you tell it to (machines running Unix, newer Macs with "virtual memory" on, and anything else that uses virtual memory or delays physically writing saved information to disk for some reason or other) can be especially bad because information you have "saved" may or may not have been physically written to disk. Some hard drives (I think mostly older ones or something) have to "have their heads parked" before they can be safely shut off. Switches aren't a problem for NeXTStation/Cube users (most of the other keys will wear out before the power key). During a normal power off procedure, a unix machine will "sync" the disks, which writes all of the stuff that's "still hanging around" to disk so the computer can be safely shut off (type "man sync" at a terminal for more). Unix also syncs the disks every so often (every 30 seconds by default on my copy of NS 3.1, yours may vary), which reduces (but doesn't eliminate) the risk of losing stuff during an unexpected shutdown. I really couldn't tell you what the deal with parking heads on a unix machine is. Over time, something goofy happens to the 17" monochrome monitor's power supply which causes the screen to get dimmer and dimmer (some faster than others, and I don't know whether other types of monitors have this problem). I am having this problem with my station and was told by Bell Atlantic that my monitor had about 6 months to live (this was a month or 2 ago, I've owned the machine for a little over 2 years). I don't know whether turning off a station or cube will help or hurt this problem, but this is certainly something to consider (knowledge, anyone?). If this starts to happen before your warranty wears out, don't be an idiot like I was and get the thing fixed for free. I don't really know what the ideal "dead period" before a machine should be shut off is. I usually shut mine off if I'm not going to use it for 24 hours (mostly because one of my hard drives is loud and annoying) > A NeXTstep machine is a UN*X workstation. Workstations are not > intended to be turned off. Ever. You buy it, you turn it on and when > it is time to sell or scrap it, you turn it off. Please do not > confuse a PC or a Mac with a real computer. > Carl Edman Mr. Edman is certainly welcome to his opinions, but I think this statement is an oversimplification. Also, PC's and macs can be set up to run as Unix workstations. Hope this is helpful. - Tobe -------- th1z@cmu.edu tobeland@cmu.edu "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." -A sinner, while casting stones.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk (Stephen Fitzpatrick) Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Message-ID: <1994Mar11.104110.13650@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@ousrvr.oulu.fi Organization: University of Oulu References: <1994Mar10.192414.5392@news.yale.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 10:41:10 GMT In article <1994Mar10.192414.5392@news.yale.edu> mehta-anand@yale.edu writes: > Well, you can change the command keys if that helps at all. This is from > NeXTAnswers preferences.769: > .... > > A: Yes, you can do this, but you must resort to dwrite(1) to > > set the NXCommandKeys default for that application. The > > format is "menu item name, command key, menu item name, > > command key,..." with each element delineated by a comma. > > Example: "Page Layout..., P, Heavier, H, Lighter, L". > > 'Fraid that doesn't help. For example dwrite Edit NXCommandKeys "X,K" sets a command key equivalent K for menu item X when Edit is the current application. If multiple apps provide service X, it does not not distinguish between them. -- Stephen Fitzpatrick | sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk O-O Department of Computer Science | (NeXT mail ok) | The Queen's University of Belfast|"Keep passing the OpenWindows" v H, Lighter, L". > > 'Fraid that doesn't help.
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: video-card-driver Date: 11 Mar 1994 11:35:44 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2lpl2g$1g1@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2li8r9$125@vega.info.isbiel.ch> <2lik40$1av@rosie.next.com> In article <2lik40$1av@rosie.next.com> pgraff@graff.next.com (Peter Graffagnino) writes: >* Precision: Even when emulating true color in 8bit (using, for example, a RGB >3:3:2 color cube) the precision is awful. Um, why would anyone do this? As opposed to, say, the Macintoy standard palette (216 linearly distributed colors symmetric in RGB space unioned with 16 levels of each of the three primaries and 16 levels of gray). [Attached: plane where G=0.] Yes, I agree that NeXT would lose MAJOR credibility points by encouraging 8-bit color. (BrokenStep!) I have nothing against 8-bit grayscale, of course. -=EPS=- ------- %!PS-Adobe-3.0 EPSF-3.0 %%Pages: 0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 384 384 %%DocumentData: Clean7Bit %%Extensions: CMYK %%EndComments %%BeginProlog %%EndProlog matrix currentmatrix 8 dup scale matrix currentmatrix 48 48 scale 6 6 4 [6 0 0 -6 0 6] %%BeginData: 8 Hex Lines {< 00f30f60f90fc0ff0f 00c30c60c90cc0cf0c 009309609909c09f09 006306606906c06f06 003303603903c03f03 000300600900c00f00 >} %%EndData false 3 colorimage dup setmatrix 3 0 translate 42 3 scale 14 1 4 [14 0 0 -1 0 1] %%BeginData: 3 Hex Lines {< 100200300400500600700800900a00b00c00d00e00 >} %%EndData false 3 colorimage setmatrix 0 3 translate 3 42 scale 1 14 4 [1 0 0 -14 0 14] %%BeginData: 3 Hex Lines {< 00e000d000c000b000a0009000800070006000500040003000200010 >} %%EndData false 3 colorimage setmatrix %%EOF
From: ed@sfih.no (Eystein Dugstad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need succes stories on Hayes ISDN extender Date: 11 Mar 1994 13:19:30 GMT Organization: Sogn og Fjordane Ingeniorhogskole Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2lpr52$h62@due.uninett.no>
From: adracup@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Dracup) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: 11 Mar 1994 13:38:33 GMT Organization: IBM Glendale Laboratory Message-ID: <2lps8p$k8j@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> References: <mperryCMFvG3.AME@netcom.com> <2lnnq2$jdn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <CEDMAN.94Mar10174114@capitalist.princeton.edu> In <CEDMAN.94Mar10174114@capitalist.princeton.edu>, cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > >While protecting your hardware is one good reason to leave your >computer running at all times, you are missing the most important >reasons. They are called cron, rlogin, telnet, innd, ftp, sendmail, >gopherd, finger, NFS, ntp, ntpd, at, nntpd, mthreads, daytime, xterm, >to name just a few. A UN*X workstation is not a dumb Mac or PC -- it >doesn't just work when you sit in front of it. > >In addition, they take forever to boot. > A Compaq Engineer was on Computer Chronicles last night talking about their 'green' PC and he recommended turning hardware off when not in use. I don't think the protecting your hardware argument floats anymore. I turn my NeXT off when I'm done using it; no sense wasting electricity. Believe it or not, some of us who own NeXTs aren't networked (other than kermit). My NeXT at home boots faster than my 486 at work running OS/2.
From: igerard@jerry.ina.fr (Gerard Iglesias) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTWorld Date: 11 Mar 1994 16:22:05 GMT Organization: INA, Institut National de l'Audiovisuel, Bry-sur-Marne, France Message-ID: <2lq5rd$sfl@wolfy.ina.fr> Hi, Here (French country), we have no yet received NeXTWorld of February and January. NeXTWorld is died ??? Thank for informations on this fact. See you NeXT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerard Iglesias, Email : igerard@ina.fr Computer Graphics researcher computer aided cartoon design --- --- INA-Institut National de l'Audiovisuel, Phone (33) (1) 49832930 94366 Bry sur Marne Cedex, France Fax (33) (1) 49832582 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: pakala@sdl.egr.uh.edu (Rama R. Pakala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to set key window to follow the mouse? Date: 11 Mar 1994 16:38:12 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <2lq6pk$m2e@menudo.uh.edu> Hi, I am looking for a way to make my key window to follow the mouse, so that the window which the mouse is in currently becomes the key window, instead of waiting for me to click in the window. I assume that I should be able to do this by dwriting, but could not really make out any option in the list given by "dread -l" which I could logically assume would set this switch. Any help would be appreciated. Or is it in the manual somewhere? -- Rama Rao Pakala, Systems Design Laboratory, W224-D3, College of Engineering, University of Houston ******************************************* And the foreign student said to me, Is it really true, There are elephants and lions too, In Picadally circus ... Jethro Tull
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer v75 and 72.3 bug Message-ID: <1994Mar11.160041.86771@yuma> Date: 11 Mar 94 16:00:41 GMT References: <CMH49x.94o@ucdavis.edu> In article <CMH49x.94o@ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) writes: > Summary: NewsGrazer versions 75 and 72.3 running on NEXTSTEP 3.0 on > a NeXTstation TurboColor is crashing when certain newsgroups > are read. (currently comp.sys.next.misc) It appears to be > associated with the sort articles and prefetch title options. > > > Details: To get my NewsGrazer to crash, the following conditions need to > exist: > 1) the Preferences/Article Summary/Prefetch article title > is checked > 2) the Preferences/Article Summary/Sort articles box is checked > 3) All the articles is comp.sys.next.misc have all been > prefetched before I look at the news group i noticed that my v75 newsgrazer crashes when items 1 and 2 above are checked but when the articles are still being fetched. when all articles in all groups i subscribe to have been fetched and sorted, it will not crash. kelley wittmeyer dept of atmospheric science colorado state university
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: tried taking .rtf file to Kinkos Message-ID: <1994Mar11.150848.1422@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <2llcna$ej4@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> <2lllkp$1cp@nntp2.stanford.edu> <2lmgke$2r@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 15:08:48 GMT In article <2lmgke$2r@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) writes: {much cogent discussion deleted for brevity} > >Thanks for all the good suggestions. Printing to a .ps file in the >print menu worked like a champ. Took the copy back to Kinko's on a >DOS format disk and they printed it with a simple "copy letter.ps lpt1:" >command. The only knock against edit is not being able to see that >the very last line of my letter got put on a second page. There was no >indication from edit.app this would happen until I actually saw the >printout. >-- >Randy Kunkee >Self Employed >713-870-1334 >kunkee@sugar.neosoft.com Randy, Preview will show you page breaks. You can preview the .ps file or click Preview in the print panel until it look right. Good luck! -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com NEXTSTEP Sales Manager 214.680.2060 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pasqua@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re: video-card-driver Message-ID: <1994Mar11.185139.17989@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2lpl2g$1g1@nic-nac.CSU.net> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 18:51:39 GMT In article <2lpl2g$1g1@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > In article <2lik40$1av@rosie.next.com> pgraff@graff.next.com > (Peter Graffagnino) writes: > >* Precision: Even when emulating true color in 8bit (using, for example, a RGB > >3:3:2 color cube) the precision is awful. > > Um, why would anyone do this? As opposed to, say, the Macintoy > standard palette (216 linearly distributed colors symmetric in > RGB space unioned with 16 levels of each of the three primaries > and 16 levels of gray). [Attached: plane where G=0.] > > Yes, I agree that NeXT would lose MAJOR credibility points by > encouraging 8-bit color. (BrokenStep!) I have nothing against > 8-bit grayscale, of course. > > -=EPS=- Peter just offered 3:3:2 as an example of what is often recommended as a solution for 8 bit color support. One factor in determining the device color space layout is that DPS really wants it to be an RGB cube with a potentially disjoint grayramp. Efficiency in performing compositing operations, window promotion and depth conversion are also factors in the choice of device color space organization. Other factors enter the equation as well. For instance, with such a limited number of colors, do you want to gamma correct the entries to 1.0 or use colors with the greatest perceptual differences. I can't go into detail, but I think that the approaches being examined by NeXT are particularly well suited to their environment. Joe Pasqua Adobe Systems Incorporated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Re: RECOMMENDED: G.E.C. for Pentium & 486 NEXTSTEP! Message-ID: <1994Mar11.191225.19236@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1994Mar11.032929.9983@adobe.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 19:12:25 GMT CORRECTIONS: In article <1994Mar11.032929.9983@adobe.com> caro@mv.us.adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) writes: >Vendor State Contact E-Mail/Phone >================================================================ >Alpine (by Lexar) CO Kris kris@alpine.com >Pars International CA Macy 1-800-947-4742 >eCesys AA Bob 1-800-732-3797 Make that: Vendor State Contact E-Mail/Phone ================================================================ Alpine (by Lexar) UT Kris kris@alpine.com Pars International CA Macy 1-800-947-4742 eCesys AK Bob 1-800-732-3797 Alpine is Alpine Computing MicroAge, reviewed in the February NEXTWORLD. Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: awt001@acad.drake.edu Subject: NeXT Monitor To Macintosh Quadra? Message-ID: <1994Mar11.133308.1@acad.drake.edu> Sender: news@dunix.drake.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 19:33:08 GMT Hi: This is a question for all you NeXT hardware techies who are familiar with the Macintosh: Is it possible to connect a NeXT monitor (MegaPixel Color) to a Quadra 700? I'm pretty certain that some kind of a video-card would be necessary; does anyone happen to know of one that might work? (ie: What would be required of such a card?) I'm also wondering at the possiblity of some third-party adapter that might make this possible. Any ideas? Answers/comments/advice certainly welcome and greatly appreciated. If possible, please e-mail me directly at: AWT001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU as I can't always get into this newsgroup. Thanks! Albert Tan Drake University Graphics/Industrial Design ================================================================================
From: msander@bcarh63f.bnr.ca (Michael Sanderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: 11 Mar 1994 19:37:50 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Sender: msander@bcarh63f (Michael Sanderson) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lqhae$l9f@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <mperryCMFvG3.AME@netcom.com> <2lnnq2$jdn@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <CEDMAN.94Mar10174114@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2lps8p$k8j@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> A long time ago, I took a VLSI course, and was given the explanation that applying power on and off of VLSI devices would stress them thermally. This problem was to get worse as VLSI devices were developed at higher densities. Also, besides the physical reasons for leaving the computer on, what about the software reasons. e.g. if my computer's off, how is cron going to truncate my logs, etc? BTW, aside from moving to Ottawa from Saskatoon, my mono slab has been running non-stop for > 2years! -michael ------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael R. Sanderson a.k.a msander@bnr.ca My opinions are my own, which is good 'cause nobody else wants 'em
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: 11 Mar 1994 20:07:17 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <2lqj1l$3s5@Times.Stanford.EDU> References: <ghU3WLG00iV4I0k0dG@andrew.cmu.edu> Re: parking hard drive heads In article <ghU3WLG00iV4I0k0dG@andrew.cmu.edu>, Tobias James Hagge <th1z+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: >may not have been physically written to disk. Some hard drives (I think >mostly older ones or something) have to "have their heads parked" before >they can be safely shut off. >risk of losing stuff during an unexpected shutdown. I really couldn't >tell you what the deal with parking heads on a unix machine is. I've been wondering about this too. Back when I bought my very old Northgate 286, I got a machine which came with a DOS "park" program to park the heads, which I run before powering down. At the time, there were a few new Seagate HDs on the market which parked automatically on power-down. What's the situation now? Do all HDs park on power-down now? Do you have to do something special if you want to ship your computer? I've always wondered what "Shut Down" on a Mac does too--does it park the HD? Soon after that a guy I knew said he bought a computer and he got some software that automatically parked the heads after the drive hadn't been used for <user-specified> number of seconds. I guess this would be a really bad thing for Unix, but I don't even think this is typical anymore of DOS/Windows/OS-2/Macintoshes. Who knows the scoop? -Karl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: Erik Dasque <ed@joker.fdn.org> Subject: Room Needed For CeBIT! Message-ID: <1994Mar11.190406.12422@joker.fdn.org> Sender: ed@joker.fdn.org (Erik Dasque) Organization: French Guy Corp. - Paris, France. Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 19:04:06 GMT Reply-To: ed@joker.fdn.org Distribution: world I am posting this for a S.Sarich whose Usenet access is down : As usual I've waited until the last possible moment and, surprise, surprise, I can't find a room for CeBIT. At this stage I'm not too particular and I'd even be happy to share a place, sleep on the couch...whatever. Money is not an issue (well...within reason of course :-) If you can help, drop me a line right away at: steve@talus.msk.su Steve Sarich III President Talus Imaging Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" ed@joker.fdn.org GC/O d-(++) p(+) c++ l(!) u+(++) e+(*) m+(---) s+/+ n+ h- f++ g- w+ t+ r y+(*) "In the long run, we are all dead". JM Keynes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerti@tms-gmbh.de (Gerd Knops) Subject: Re: Where to get 2.88M floppies Message-ID: <CMIFr7.17x@tms-gmbh.de> Sender: usenet@tms-gmbh.de Organization: tms GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <2lnicdINN1b7@jumbo.read.tasc.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 17:11:30 GMT I know its ugly, very likely to be unreliable etc... no flames please... With many HD-Disks, just 'hide' the left hole with a piece of tape, and drill a new hole, where the on for EDs is supposed to be... With *some* brands this works quite ok. Gerd In article <2lnicdINN1b7@jumbo.read.tasc.com> mcli@minnie.Read.TASC.COM (Maurice C. Ling) writes: > Hi Everyone, > > After searching the FAQ and looking through Inmac catalogs, I haven't > found any reference to where to buy 2.88M (ED)floppies. I really > need one for an emergency boot disk for my '040 Cube. Any suggestions for > mail order places or local stores in MA would be greatly appreciated! > > Seems like no other computers use 2.88M floppies besides black NeXTs. > > Thanks, > > -Maurice > > -- > Maurice Ling > NeXTmail: mcli@nextcube.read.tasc.com \/ > School: mling@jade.tufts.edu >--< ====================== > Work : mling@tasc.com /\ Optics
From: mgilula@inca.gate.net (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NewsGrazer defaults Date: 11 Mar 1994 18:05:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2lqteu$hmb@inca.gate.net> Help. I cannot get NewsGrazer.app to open as ordinary user but as root the app does open and function. I have preferences set to flat-file (vs. nntp server) but when I type dread and attempt to see defaults, this is what happens computer is named "gerilla": gerilla> dread /mgilula2/Apps/NewsGrazer.app dread: couldn't read default gerilla> ls -lg /mgilula2/Apps/NewsGrazer.app total 218 drwxr-xr-x 12 mgilula other 2048 Mar 6 23:08 English.lproj/ -rwxr-xr-x 1 mgilula other 212992 Mar 10 18:12 NewsGrazer* gerilla> Would anyone be willing to send me the relevant syntax for either resetting the NG defaults at the ordinary user level or for resetting the individual charcteristic if someone writing in to me is a NG guru. -73- Marshall Gilula mgilula@inca.gate.net [apologies for cross-posting this, but there was no response to my first post on a different group] -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@inca.gate.net el que busca nada mucho encuentra" Carpe resurrectionem mortuorum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Commercial SLIP Message-ID: <CMJ2n0.Kpy@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 01:25:48 GMT Is there a commercial version of SLIP, which is user friendly (i.e. plug and play- no TCP/IP knowledge necessary!)? Oh, this is for NS/I... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: mark@informix.com (Mark Andrews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Ejecting a floppy after untar'ing it Date: 12 Mar 94 02:41:50 GMT Organization: Abekas Video Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <mark.763440110@nv> References: <espritCMH27v.HsM@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes: >How do I eject a floppy after tar'ing or untar'ing it? >-- >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >Alan F. Perry | Life is short, but by achieving greater speeds >alanp@eng.sun.com (work) | a man can make his life a little longer and >esprit@netcom.com (home) | more affluent - Soichiro Honda disk -e /dev/rfd0b Mark mark@abekas.com -- --------------- Mark Andrews mark@abekas.com ---------------
From: Tobias James Hagge <th1z+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 02:51:36 -0500 Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <YhULG8i00WBN4CS5QM@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2lqj1l$3s5@Times.Stanford.EDU> Karl Robert Pfleger writes: What's the situation now? Do all HDs park on power-down now? Do you have to do something special if you want to ship your computer? I've always wondered what "Shut Down" on a Mac does too--does it park the HD? ------ I can't give a full answer on this, but I do know that some mac programs (such as Adobe Photoshop) implement their own virtual memory schemes. Shutting down normally tells applications to quit themselves and keeps this from being a problem. Sorry if this is getting to far off topic for this board - Tobe -------- th1z@cmu.edu tobeland@cmu.edu "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." -A sinner, while casting stones.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john.morgan@circles.com Subject: NEXTWORLD Message-ID: <9403120127.A8454wk@circles.com> Distribution: world Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 01:27:54 I have received the Jan,Feb, & March issues of NeXTWORLD.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: video-card-driver Message-ID: <1994Mar12.181127.15120@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <2li8r9$125@vega.info.isbiel.ch> <2lik40$1av@rosie.next.com> <2lpl2g$1g1@nic-nac.csu.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 18:11:27 GMT In article <2lpl2g$1g1@nic-nac.csu.net>, Eric P. Scott <eps@cs.sfsu.edu> wrote: > In article <2lik40$1av@rosie.next.com> pgraff@graff.next.com > (Peter Graffagnino) writes: > >* Precision: Even when emulating true color in 8bit (using, for example, a RGB > >3:3:2 color cube) the precision is awful. > > Um, why would anyone do this? As opposed to, say, the Macintoy > standard palette (216 linearly distributed colors symmetric in > RGB space unioned with 16 levels of each of the three primaries > and 16 levels of gray). [Attached: plane where G=0.] > > Yes, I agree that NeXT would lose MAJOR credibility points by > encouraging 8-bit color. (BrokenStep!) I have nothing against > 8-bit grayscale, of course. > > -=EPS=- In my business, we compete with Windows and X for real-time display solutions. 8-bit gray doesn't color code information very well. %^) 16-bit color under NEXTSTEP doesn't perform equal to other 8-bit solutions on the same HW (or other 16-bit color solutions on the same HW for that matter). I need 8-bit color to compete on a speed basis with competitors. NEXTSTEP already has 'em beat for speed of development, but if the prototype runs like molasses, the customer is not impressed. NeXT would gain market share with an, albeit compromising, 8-bit color option. HW costs for multiple seat deployment would also be more competitive. -- Michael McCulloch michael@hsv.tybrin.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NewsGrazer defaults Date: 12 Mar 1994 14:53:43 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403122053.AA09089@alleg.EDU> In comp.sys.next.misc article <2lqteu$hmb@inca.gate.net> you wrote: gerilla> dread /mgilula2/Apps/NewsGrazer.app dread: couldn't read default Would anyone be willing to send me the relevant syntax for either resetting the NG defaults at the ordinary user level or for resetting the individual charcteristic if someone writing in to me is a NG guru. Marshall Gilula mgilula@inca.gate.net The syntax you want is gerilla> dread -o NewsGrazer As for any other problems I have no idea. Tim -- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed Box 931 Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 USA
Control: cancel <CMKIxH.CqH@world.std.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Christopher Lloyd) Subject: cmsg cancel <CMKIxH.CqH@world.std.com> Message-ID: <CMKKJr.JG1@world.std.com> Sender: lloyd@world.std.com (Christopher Lloyd) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <2lpl2g$1g1@nic-nac.csu.net> <1994Mar12.181127.15120@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <CMKIxH.CqH@world.std.com> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 20:50:14 GMT <CMKIxH.CqH@world.std.com> was cancelled from within rn. -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid, Inc. :: lloyd@yrrid.com lloyd@world.std.com :: :: If I had known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself ::
From: work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sounds for system events Date: 12 Mar 1994 18:37:27 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <2lt257$2bo@machthenext.dannug.dk> References: <9403011540.AA02343@proxima.com> In article <9403011540.AA02343@proxima.com> elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) writes: |>In article <1994Feb28.185742.23818@bcarh54a.bnr.ca> you wrote: |> |>> A friend of mine read about some application for NeXT machines |>> which lets you add sounds to various system events, such as |>> login, logout, disk insert, disk eject, etc. I've been hunting |>> around on the archives, but haven't come up with anything yet. |> |>I wrote something like this - not sure if I kept it around. I might be |>able to find it if enough demand exists. |> |>-- |>Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) 506.1661 |>Systems Engineer McLean, VA elitman+@proxima.com |>echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc Hi, I sure would like to get a utility/script/whatever to do just that, I love that on the MAC I use at work, and I find it annoying not to be able to distinguish between the different events on the NeXT when only hearing the sounds......please find it! Best regards Michael --- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk NonNeXTMail: mh.xeroxvang@rxdk.xerox.com Voice: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Fax: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Work: Int + 45 43 43 43 03 Fax: Int + 45 43 43 59 70 _____________________________________________
From: work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff->eps -> NeXT via photoshop Can this be true ?!? Date: 12 Mar 1994 18:42:53 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <2lt2fd$2hh@machthenext.dannug.dk> References: <CMBwHy.Gvp@moksha.uucp> In article <CMBwHy.Gvp@moksha.uucp> mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) writes: |>I'm posting for a friend w/ no net access. He claims that when saving a tiff |>as eps on a mac from photoshop that the eps contains 4 bitmaps, one for each |>of CMYK, as well as a "thumbnail." Is this really true ? He needs to display |>the eps on his NeXT in color, but is only getting b/w. What's the best way to |>reassemble the seperations and get a color image ? Any help GREATLY |>appreciated. |> |>Thanks. |> |> Hi, I work with a MAC at work, and I have my NeXT at home, and I never have the problem. When your friend saves the .eps file in PhotoShop, there s an option which allows him to separate the file into 4 colors + 1 preview file, but if he turns that option off, PhotoShop will save one file, called a composite, containing a correct image. Best regards Michael --- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk NonNeXTMail: mh.xeroxvang@rxdk.xerox.com Voice: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Fax: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Work: Int + 45 43 43 43 03 Fax: Int + 45 43 43 59 70 _____________________________________________
From: klein@scratchy (Michael Klein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: smalltalk on NeXtStep Date: 12 Mar 1994 23:46:59 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2ltk9j$cu8@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Keywords: gnu smalltalk nextstep I am trying to get Gnu Smalltalk up and running on NeXTStep. I am running 3.2 on an Intel GX/Pro. Is anyone out there doing any smalltalk work on NeXT? Anyone been able to interface to Display Postscript? I normally run VisualWorks (alas, under Windows yuk.) Maybe we can all get together, that is if there is anyone out there trying to do this besides me. -- mike klein klein@pooh.caltech.edu (NeXT-mail a pleasure to read)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.hnv.icem.de(Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: Broken Open -- any [other] way to fix it? Message-ID: <CMKAwF.G0@euler.hnv.icem.de> Sender: js@euler.hnv.icem.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <9403101620.AA04569@alleg.EDU> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 17:21:50 GMT In article <9403101620.AA04569@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) writes: > Is there a hack/workaround/whatever to use "open -a" _without_ > turning on the Public Window Server? [not an option here] > > It's really annoying to go without. It just works on my slab, running NS 3.0 --- Juergen Sell E-Mail js@icem.de ( NeXTMail ok ) Deisterstr. 18 Fax ++49-511-440617 BRD 30449 Hannover Fon ++49-511-440688 == The revolution will not be televised - GilScottHeron 1970 == == The revolution will not be posted - Juergen 1994 ==
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mv everything to /some/folder Date: 12 Mar 1994 21:14:44 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403130314.AA13978@alleg.EDU> I've read the mv man page, but it wasn't much help, and the same with the rm man page. Here's what I want to do: When I logout, I have a script run that empties a folder (~/trash). The only problem is that the way it does it is rm -rf ~/trash/* ; rm -rf ~/trash/.* Which works, except that it also removes the folder ~/trash, which is just what I DON'T want it to do, because then it removes the ~/trash from my shelf. I was thinking that if I could have the script move all the files (dot-files and all) and folders (dot and all) to something like /dev/null that would pretty much solve my problem, but I can't seem to figure out how to do 'mv all' or something like that. I would have thought 'mv * /dev/null' would have done it, but it doesn't. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can either empty ~/trash of files AND folders without having ~/trash removed or how I can move everything in ~/trash to /dev/null or equivalent? Many thanks! Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Black Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail YES/MIME Mail No/ASCII YES No Root access, no super-user access.... just regular old 'user' access.
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sounds for system events Date: 13 Mar 1994 06:16:55 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lub4n$28r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <2lt257$2bo@machthenext.dannug.dk> In article <2lt257$2bo@machthenext.dannug.dk> work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) writes: > In article <9403011540.AA02343@proxima.com> elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. > Litman) writes: > |>In article <1994Feb28.185742.23818@bcarh54a.bnr.ca> you wrote: > |> > |>> A friend of mine read about some application for NeXT machines > |>> which lets you add sounds to various system events, such as > |>> login, logout, disk insert, disk eject, etc. I've been hunting > |>> around on the archives, but haven't come up with anything yet. > |> > |>I wrote something like this - not sure if I kept it around. I might be > |>able to find it if enough demand exists. > |> > |>-- > |>Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) > 506.1661 > |>Systems Engineer McLean, VA > elitman+@proxima.com > |>echo > '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc > > Hi, > > I sure would like to get a utility/script/whatever to do just that, I love > that on the MAC I use at work, and I find it annoying not to be able to > distinguish between the different events on the NeXT when only hearing the > sounds......please find it! > Freemansoft (info@freemansoft.com) sells FSSoundPanel ($20?) which is a Preferences module thus not requiring another app to be running: About FSSoundPanel: This module requires NEXTSTEP 3.1 or later to function correctly. This module allows the user to attach sounds to certain WorkspaceManager operations. The popup lists let you associate sounds with the workspace operations listed below. FSSound is enabled and disabled via the Enable switch in the FSSoundPanel preferences panel. A user must log out and then log back in order for enable/disable changes to take effect. Sound association changes are picked up immediately. --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: NeXT Mono Monitor Repair Message-ID: <CMLyzM.9xt@ucdavis.edu> Summary: Help adjust/repair monitor - advice/info Keywords: Monochrome, monitor, repair Sender: David Bradford Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Distribution: world Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 14:59:43 GMT Does anyone know where I can get my NeXT Monochrome monitor repaired. The screen is distorted. I have adjusted the yoke on the crt - this only adjusts rotation. I have also fiddled with the magnets on the yoke collar with only minor improvments. Bell Atlantic wants $595.00 + exchange - "No Monitor Repairs" per phone conversation with service. Please e-mail advice/info to : dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu Thanks, David Bradford P.S. I already know about CAPACITANCE, the BIG MEAN RED WIRE and the 15KV story... So Thanks, BUT please, no big monologues on safety.
From: work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sounds for system events Date: 13 Mar 1994 11:55:18 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <2luuv6$4jo@machthenext.dannug.dk> References: <2lub4n$28r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> In article <2lub4n$28r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: |>> (bunch deleted) |> Freemansoft (info@freemansoft.com) sells FSSoundPanel ($20?) which is a |>Preferences module thus not requiring another app to be running: |> |>About FSSoundPanel: |>This module requires NEXTSTEP 3.1 or later to function correctly. This |>module allows the user to attach sounds to certain WorkspaceManager |>operations. The popup lists let you associate sounds with the workspace |>operations listed below. FSSound is enabled and disabled via the Enable |>switch in the FSSoundPanel preferences panel. A user must log out and |>then log back in order for enable/disable changes to take effect. Sound |>association changes are picked up immediately. |>--- |>Art Isbell Cubic Solutions |>NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting |>NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 |>USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515 Thanks a lot, Art, I ll have a look at it to see if it does what I want... Best regards Michael --- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk NonNeXTMail: mh.xeroxvang@rxdk.xerox.com Voice: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Fax: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Work: Int + 45 43 43 43 03 Fax: Int + 45 43 43 59 70 _____________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu (Eric de_la_Tribouille) Subject: Re: smalltalk on NeXtStep Message-ID: <CMMEru.79L@cs.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@cs.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL References: <2ltk9j$cu8@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 20:40:40 GMT In article <2ltk9j$cu8@gap.cco.caltech.edu> klein@scratchy (Michael Klein) writes: > > I am trying to get Gnu Smalltalk up and running on NeXTStep. > I am running 3.2 on an Intel GX/Pro. > Is anyone out there doing any smalltalk work on NeXT? > Anyone been able to interface to Display Postscript? > > I normally run VisualWorks (alas, under Windows yuk.) > > Maybe we can all get together, that is if there is anyone out there > trying to do this besides me. > > -- mike klein > klein@pooh.caltech.edu (NeXT-mail a pleasure to read) -- You still can use Cub'X-Window (X11R5/Motif1.2 for NeXT computers and PCs running NEXTSTEP) to remote display (from a workstation like a Sun, an HP or an IBM) SmallTalk VisualWorks (from ParcPlace). It's what I'm using actually. VisualWorks is a really great environment for SmallTalk. Best regards, - Eric --- "The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be." - Paul Valery _____________________________________________________________________ | Eric de la Tribouille | Advanced Collaborative Systems Lab. eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu | Department of Computer Science | University of Illinois at | Urbana-Champaign | 1304W. Springfield Avenue NeXT-Mail very welcome ! | Urbana, ILL 61801, USA ?;?)/ TOMORROW's TOOLS TODAY ! _____________________________________________________________________ Opinions expressed are my own.
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: About moving the Recycler off the dock (no, not how is it done, a different question) Date: 13 Mar 1994 16:45:46 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403132245.AA11063@alleg.EDU> Awhile back there was a lot of talk about moving the recycler off your dock (by command-dragging it) and the fact that it would be placed at the bottom left hand side of your screen on your next login. Did anyone ever discover a way (dwrite, I'd imagine) to force the recycler to stay somewhere else (other than the bottom left) ? I have my dock on the left side of my screen (dwrite Workspace DockOriginX 0) and I'd like my recycler off my dock and not on the bottom left. Just curious as usual, Thanks Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Black Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail YES/MIME Mail No/ASCII YES No Root access, no super-user access.... just regular old 'user' access.
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: FileViewer suggestion. Date: 13 Mar 1994 20:07:14 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2lvrpi$146@steffi.demon.co.uk> Just as you can work with multiple selections when copying files. You should be able to do the same but for the destination. ie. normally you pick up the hand of cards and can drag it into a folder. How difficult is it to implement multiple destiniation targets? ie. select multiple directories such that the hand of cards is in the Hierarchial viewer. Then being able to drag and drop a file[s]/directory[ies] combination on them so signify that you want to copy _into_ all selected targets. Obviously it would only make sense if the targets were themselves directories. (unless you wanted to allow overwriting existing files) I wanted to automatically update all my projects Makefile.postambles today and it's a tedious chore. I'm now using "include" sparsely. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: okerson@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov (David Okerson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How does one mount an IDE DOS partition? Date: 13 Mar 1994 22:23 EDT Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center Distribution: world Message-ID: <13MAR199422235571@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Please forgive a no-doubt foolish beginner's question, but: How does one mount an IDE DOS partition? My "root" disk is an external SCSI which is all NEXTSTEP (not partitioned). Following the NeXTanswers instructions, I created a NEXTSTEP partition on my internal IDE drive and installed the files in it to allow booting without a diskette. (This was a nuisance, since off course it forced me to find a way to backup and then reinstall all my DOS files, which predated the arrival of NEXTSTEP.) I formatted the remainder of the IDE drive as 2 DOS partitions, using the NEXTSTEP fdisk and choosing Option 1 - "small FAT" under "non- NEXTSTEP partition". (It was not obvious why one should choose either "large FAT" or "extended DOS".) Both partitions are 64 MB, chosen to avoid NeXT's warnings about problems with large DOS partitions. I reinstalled all the DOS files onto the IDE, and it works correctly under DOS. The NEXTSTEP boot-from-IDE system also works correctly, and I added it to /etc/fstab. However, try what I may, I *cannot* get the DOS partitions to mount (not even one). Neither manual "mount"ing nor modifying fstab seems to get anywhere. Can anyone help? In case it might help, the machine in question is a Dell 450/DX2.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: mv everything to /some/folder In-Reply-To: luomat@alleg.EDU's message of 12 Mar 1994 21:14:44 -0600 To: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar13092601@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <9403130314.AA13978@alleg.EDU> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 14:26:00 GMT In article <9403130314.AA13978@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: When I logout, I have a script run that empties a folder (~/trash). The only problem is that the way it does it is rm -rf ~/trash/* ; rm -rf ~/trash/.* Which works, except that it also removes the folder ~/trash, which is just what I DON'T want it to do, because then it removes the ~/trash from my shelf. No, it doesn't, not on any shell I know. ~/trash/* expands on to the contents of trash, not the directory. Also on UN*X (unlike e.g. MS-DOS) there is no reason to make that two statements. 'rm -rf ~/trash/* ~/trash/.*' works just fine. Remember that wildcard expansion (i.e. turning all those '*'s and '~'s into the actual filenames) is done something by the shell, not any external command. So if you type 'rm -rf ~/trash/*', what rm(1) sees is 'rm -rf /your-home-directory/trash/file1 /your-home-directory/trash/file2 ...'. Hence any UN*X command which understands wildcards will also take an arbitrary list of filenames or filenames (or filenames and wildcard patterns). If you ever are confused about what command line is actually seen by a command if you enter some pattern, try 'echo pattern' -- it will show you what a UN*X command would see. I was thinking that if I could have the script move all the files (dot-files and all) and folders (dot and all) to something like /dev/null that would pretty much solve my problem, but I can't seem to figure out how to do 'mv all' or something like that. I would have thought 'mv * /dev/null' would have done it, but it doesn't. It wouldn't. One may like to think about /dev/null as a big black void into which anything can be dropped -- it isn't. It is just a special file (not directory) which drops everything written to it and always returns EOF when one tries to write it. Trying to move something on top of it will either fail (if you try to move multiple files at once) or just overwrite and destroy your /dev/null. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: mv everything to /some/folder In-Reply-To: cedman@princeton.edu's message of Sun, 13 Mar 1994 14:26:00 GMT To: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar13133834@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <9403130314.AA13978@alleg.EDU> <CEDMAN.94Mar13092601@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 18:38:32 GMT In article <CEDMAN.94Mar13092601@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: In article <9403130314.AA13978@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: When I logout, I have a script run that empties a folder (~/trash). The only problem is that the way it does it is rm -rf ~/trash/* ; rm -rf ~/trash/.* Which works, except that it also removes the folder ~/trash, which is just what I DON'T want it to do, because then it removes the ~/trash from my shelf. No, it doesn't, not on any shell I know. ~/trash/* expands on to the contents of trash, not the directory. Also on UN*X (unlike e.g. MS-DOS) there is no reason to make that two statements. 'rm -rf ~/trash/* ~/trash/.*' works just fine. As Tim points out in email and I should have guessed, he is using a csh-style shell which strictly speaking I do know but I just try to suppress the memories. For csh-style shells this little peculiarity of the syntax is of course only one among many which is why switching to sh-style shell like ksh or zsh is such a good idea. Until then one should use something like 'rm ~/trash/* ~/trash/.[a-zA-Z0-9]*' which is inelegant and not entirely correct but should work in most cases. Carl Edman
From: yangboy@math.ntu.edu.tw (B.Y.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: trying to acquire a keyboard Date: 14 Mar 1994 08:34:07 GMT Organization: ??? Message-ID: <2m17hv$20a@netnews.ntu.edu.tw> Summary: Need a keyboard (?) Keywords: keyboard I wonder if this group is still in business; anyway..... Can someone tell me if it is still possible to obtain keyboards for the NeXT slab from the company itself? Mucho thanks. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Bridge is a Science, they said hopefully." ... Garbor on Miles-Kantar. | | "ACBL is for Ayatollah's Correct Bidding Lessons." ... Edgar Kaplan. | | "System is to Judgment as Strategy is to Tactics." ... Eric Rodwell. | | "A _REAL_ Bridge Player is not afraid of preparations." ... S. Leniewski. | | >>>> Professor WHO??, Bridge Enthusiast, at your Service! <<<< | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lamb@eqt.ch (Alexander Lamb) Subject: Re: NeXTWorld Message-ID: <CMnHqz.Knx@eunet.ch> Sender: usenet@eunet.ch (News Administrator) Organization: EUnet Switzerland References: <2lq5rd$sfl@wolfy.ina.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 10:42:35 GMT In article <2lq5rd$sfl@wolfy.ina.fr> igerard@jerry.ina.fr (Gerard Iglesias) writes: > Hi, > > Here (French country), we have no yet received NeXTWorld of February and > January. NeXTWorld is died ??? > > Thank for informations on this fact. > > See you NeXT > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gerard Iglesias, Email : igerard@ina.fr > Computer Graphics researcher computer aided cartoon design > --- --- > INA-Institut National de l'Audiovisuel, Phone (33) (1) 49832930 > 94366 Bry sur Marne Cedex, France Fax (33) (1) 49832582 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here in Geneva we have the february release in the major bookstores and I received the march release 3 weeks ago because I have a subscription... Alexander Lamb Expert Quantitative Trading Geneva / Switzerland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Message-ID: <1994Mar14.111126.25198@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1994Mar10.101839.16746@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 11:11:26 GMT In article <1994Mar10.101839.16746@ousrvr.oulu.fi> sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk (Stephen Fitzpatrick) writes: > In article <2ll53q$cfd@hippo.shef.ac.uk> ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M > Crawford) writes: > > : I can't change the name of the service (because I don't have the > > : source and probably wouldn't know what to do with it if I did) and > > : then disable one and use the other. Is there a way to set which one > > : provides the service? > > : > > Look in Preferences.app > > Scroll to the right-hand end, and you'll find Services. > > In the Inspector you can disable whichever Services you > > don't want. > > Don't all the Services controls work solely on the menu name? So > disabling service X will disable X for all applications. What the > poster wanted was to select which of several apps responds to X, > or to disable X for a particular app. I can't ever remember seeing > the name service name appearing more than once in the Preference > module's list. The Preferences module gives you the complete services menu hierarchy, as it would appear in every program that has a services menu. You can walk through that hierarchy, click on any item in it and disable or enable it. I.e. you can disable all services that an app provides, or just selected ones. E.g. I have Librarian's "Search" service enabled, but I disabled "Target" and "Update Index". I also told Librarian to add a Service "Search in ManPages", but this is a Librarian feature, not a Preferences one. I have TeXView completely disabled, while all services from "Save Pastboard" are enabled. (Of course I have umpteen other services enabled, the above ones are just examples.) This is valid for all applications, i.e. with the Preferences module I control what my system's service tree looks like. What else do you want? -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Still the same old signature...
From: me@vigor.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pentium Optimizations for NSI Date: 14 Mar 1994 11:53:00 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m1j6s$ob6@netnews.upenn.edu> Hi, Since the Pentium has a somewhat different architecture from the i486, shouldn't compilation require different optimization strategies? I'm interested in this particularly in regard to the operating system itself. Is NSI 3.2 running on a Pentium as fast as it could be? Can anyone conjecture on how fast NSI 3.2 on the newly announced Pentium 100Mhz will be in comparison to NS running on the HP Gecko? Any insights (guesses) appreciated. Thanks Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: schmo1@info.isbiel.ch (Olivier Schmid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: video-card-driver Date: 14 Mar 1994 12:13:59 GMT Organization: Biel School of Engineering, CH-2501 Biel, Switzerland Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m1ke7$kcr@vega.info.isbiel.ch> And how will NS display 16 Bit color on SUN Computers (and HP), (Our Sparcstations 10 have per default only 8 Bit Color !) ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk (Stephen Fitzpatrick) Subject: Re: But I don't want THAT App to give THAT Service!!!! Message-ID: <1994Mar14.130950.24348@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@ousrvr.oulu.fi Organization: University of Oulu References: <1994Mar14.111126.25198@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:09:50 GMT In article <1994Mar14.111126.25198@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: > The Preferences module gives you the complete services menu > hierarchy, as it would appear in every program that has a services > menu. You can walk through that hierarchy, click on any item in > it and disable or enable it. I.e. you can disable all services ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > that an app provides, or just selected ones. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ..... > i.e. with the Preferences module I > control what my system's service tree looks like. > > What else do you want? Services are not manipulated according to the app that provides them, but by their name. So if two applications supply a service with the same name, you cannot control which one responds to that service. This isn't a big problem (especially since many apps use a service sub-menu, which does distinguish services even if the menu item names are the same: i.e. A/X is distinguished from B/X). I've mainly encountered problems when I have a more recent version of an application that has been installed in by our admin in a system-wide folder; the two versions probably register the same services. I want my new version to respond to the services, but I can't alter/remove the system-wide app and I can't remove its folder from my applications path since I want other apps in that folder to be recognized. I think in this case it is sufficient to rearrange the applications path default. In general I'd like to be able to manipulate services according to (the pathname of) the app that provides them, rather than by name. As I say, it's a minor problem. (May get worse though as the number of service-providers increases.) -- Stephen Fitzpatrick | sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk O-O Department of Computer Science | (NeXT mail ok) | The Queen's University of Belfast|"Keep passing the OpenWindows" v
From: rab@sprite.berkeley.edu (Robert A. Bruce) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New -- Nova CDROM, 2nd Edition, for NeXT Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:39:42 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2m27gu$dtm@agate.berkeley.edu> Walnut Creek CDROM is proud to announce the immediate availability of the Nova CDROM Second Edition, for NeXT Workstations. The Nova CDROM contains software for the Black (Motorola) NeXT. We also have the Nebula CDROM for NeXTSTEP Intel. This new totally revised edition of the Nova will give you more applications, more source code, more fun and information. On this disc you will find utilities, games, fonts, sounds, music, PostScript and tiff graphics. Included on the Nova is the largest collection of public domain and shareware applications of it's kind. There is more applications then ever before and you will see why the Nova is one of the most popular CDROM for the NeXT platform. Each directory on the disc contains an index listing filename, version, author and a short description of each file. A central index is also included which you use with Digital Librarian to quickly locate any file. The Nova for NeXT hardware is in ISO-9660 format with Rock Ridge extensions. A must for every NeXT owner. Remember this is a lot more then an update it's a totally new revised edition. Specs Date published: February 1994 Target platform: NEXTSTEP 3.1 or higher for NeXT (Motorola) hardware Megabytes on disc: 604 MB Format: ISO 9660 with Rock Ridge Extensions (unix) Compression used on disc: none Editor: Eric Tremblay, eric@cdrom.com Features - The second edition of the popular Nova CDROM for NeXT hardware. - All applications are ready to run directly from the CDROM - Applications in categories such as utilities, astronomy, graphics, communication, audioapps, graphic, mail, clocks - Games/entertainment applications totalling 31.9 MB - 119 NEXTSTEP ready fonts - Fonts directory can be directly linked with hard disk to make all fonts on the CDROM available to the user without taking up any disk space. - 42 modules for the BackSpace screen saver - 22 NEXTSTEP Palettes for Interface Builder - More then 52 MB of source code - 74 sound files - Contains Pcomm, the unix shell terminal communications program compiled to run on NEXTSTEP and other terminal programs. - Each directory contains an index to make it easier for a user to locate a file. - Indexes are fully indexed in Digital Librarian (for 3.2). - Source code included with many of applications. - All applications were compiled using NEXTSTEP 3.1 or higher - All applications were compiled in NeXT (Motorola) only binaries to save disc space. - All binaries have been "stripped" to save disc space. 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From: pcu@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to set key window to follow the mouse? Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:35:32 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m2794$qah@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <2lq6pk$m2e@menudo.uh.edu> In article <2lq6pk$m2e@menudo.uh.edu> pakala@sdl.egr.uh.edu (Rama R. Pakala) writes: > that the window which the mouse is in currently becomes the key window, > instead of waiting for me to click in the window. setTrackingRect:.... in Window -- Peter Urka <pcu@umich.edu> Dept. of Chemistry, Univ. of Michigan Anything to me is sweeter, Than to see Shock-headed Peter. - H. Hoffmann
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Message-ID: <1994Mar13.114020.927@gamelan.uucp> Sender: thomas@gamelan.uucp (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <2lqhae$l9f@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 11:40:20 GMT In article <2lqhae$l9f@bmerha64.bnr.ca> msander@bcarh63f.bnr.ca (Michael Sanderson) writes: > > for leaving the computer on, what about the software reasons. e.g. > if my computer's off, how is cron going to truncate my logs, etc? Easy: Change the times in crontab to the times when your computer is usually on. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.de Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 14 Mar 1994 14:22:36 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2m2dhs$9uq@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ericw@its.com (Eric Wespestad) Subject: Re: NeXTMail Message-ID: <1994Mar14.163903.11060@its.com> Keywords: NeXTMail, OpenMail, X.400 Sender: usenet@its.com Organization: Information Technology Solutions References: <1994Mar8.191925.9087@altsys.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 16:39:03 GMT In article <CM9s20.IrL@oodis01.hill.af.mil> salmon@oodis01.hill.af.mil (GS-12 Keith E. Salmon Mr; OO-ALC/LIWBB) writes: > Was just wondering if anyone knew if NeXTMail saves 'sent' > messages somewhere that can be brought back up and resent > again and again if so desired. Thanks. > > Keith Salmon > Aerospace Engineer > 545 Test Group > Hill Air Force Base, Utah > salmon@lgb.hill.af.mil (NeXTMail preferred) Also, using and X.400 based mail system like HP's OpenMail will guarantee that mail is delivered (for X.400 to X.400 site at least). The mail server holds on to messages until they have been successfully delivered. Outgoing mail can also be archived. Watch this (cyber)space for more news about the NEXTSTEP OpenMail Client from ITS real soon now :-) Eric Wespestad, Project Manager/System Architect Information Technology Solutions, Inc. VOICE: (312) 474-7700 500 West Madison, Suite 2210 FAX: (312) 474-9361 Chicago, Illinios 60661 EMAIL: Eric_Wespestad@its.com
From: t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTMail Keywords: NeXTMail, OpenMail, X.400 Message-ID: <2781@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 14 Mar 94 20:38:58 GMT References: <1994Mar8.191925.9087@altsys.com> <1994Mar14.163903.11060@its.com> Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). >Also, using and X.400 based mail system like HP's OpenMail will guarantee >that mail is delivered (for X.400 to X.400 site at least). The mail >server holds on to messages until they have been successfully delivered. This is getting off subject, but in my experience X.400 mail is more likely to disappear into a black hole than anything I have ever seen. This may be due to gateways or whatever, I am no expert, but a mailing list I am on refuses X.400 addresses because they bounce/disappear/dofunnythings too often. Geert Jan van Oldenborgh (on an X.400 link: gj@csun.psi.ch)
From: mbecker@cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: HELP -- Mathematica 1.2, NS 2.1, WriteNow, MALFUNCTION -- HELP [LONG!] Followup-To: comp.sys.next.bugs Date: 14 Mar 1994 21:11:14 GMT Organization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2m2jti$3vs@ulowell.uml.edu> Summary: problems problems problems Keywords: Mathematica NextStep WriteNow Malfunction Hello * Please forgive the wide initial cross-posting; I wanted to hit groups that seemed relevent to the software problem I'm having. Note that the Followup-To has been set to comp.sys.next.bugs. Everything below is relevent to an '030 mono cube with NS 2.1, Mathematica 1.2, and WriteNow. This particular problem resulted in a LOT of error messages which have been compressed, uuencoded and appended to this message. A couple of days ago I was typing up a short document in WriteNow [WN], using Mathematica [Mma] 1.2 to create graphs for insertion. I was trying to get an equation from Mma into WN and things weren't going well because of a difference between fonts; one font in Mma and the other in WN. At one point I got a little frustrated. Clicked on Fonts. Clicked on All Default Styles. Mma pops up a panel: Really Reset to Default Styles? Do you realy want to reset all the Styles to their default settings? This action cannot be undone. And I clicked Ok. My thinking was that it was only for *this* session. Since I wasn't logged in as root, how much could Mma do? From there I remember clicking on a cell.. and then things got ..sick.. The entire contents of the cell started to flash and disk activity went 'way up. All Mathematica-associated objects disappeared off the screen after about thirty seconds of disk thrash. Now the following situation exists: * None of the font attributes under Font are clickable for any new window. Opening an old file darkens the font attributes so I can click on them.. but I am very leery of doing so. * /usr/adm/messages is loaded with Mathematica error messages, ~200K worth. A uuencoded compressed file of them is appended to this message. Fortunately, compress gives me about 18K of material. * Starting a new Mma session produces a an error messages in the Console: *** hashtable: count differs after rehashing; probably indicates a broken invarient: there are x and y such as isEqual(x, y) is TRUE but hash(x) != hash (y) The above is repeated for everything entered, even "5+5" . What I have done so far: A comparision of sum's between the on-disk Mma and a backup done last December. There are no differences anywhere in the /NextApps/Mathematica.app tree or in /NextLibrary/Mathematica/* from the current system to the backup on optical disk. After making a backup of ~/.NeXT, I wiped that out, logged out, logged back in, and the Mma problem is still present. There are no Mathematica-associated things in the defaults database (dread). At least none that I recognize. --- Yes, I do have a BuildDisk backup of the entire system from last December. While I could rebuild the system from that backup, that seems little extreme. Can I avoid doing it? --- The text from /usr/adm/messages is below my .signature. Hints on whats wrong, pointers, *anything* on this problem would be appreciated. Is there an archive of these things somewhere? Thanks - Mark P.S. Clicking on the Help button pops up a help window.. and the following message appears in the Console: crusty Mathematica[515]: Assertion failed: NO REAL window during lockFocus on a view. The files MathematicaHelp.ma and MathematicaHelp.mb are in /NextApps/Mathematica.app and I can load them into Mathematica. But they don't come up in a Help window. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wfischer@bio.indiana.edu (Will Fischer) Subject: Re: mv everything to /some/folder Message-ID: <CMoFtz.LKu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington References: <CEDMAN.94Mar13092601@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 22:58:45 GMT luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: : When I logout, I have a script run that empties a folder (~/trash). : The only problem is that the way it does it is : : rm -rf ~/trash/* ; rm -rf ~/trash/.* : : Which works, except that it also removes the folder ~/trash, which is : just what I DON'T want it to do, because then it removes the ~/trash : from my shelf. [munch] Try the following: rm -rf ~/trash ; mkdir ~/trash or find ~/trash -type f -exec rm -rf {} \; or find ~/trash \! -name trash -exec rm -rf {} \; -- Will ________________________________________________________________________ \\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/ Will Fischer In the old time the facts of Nature were beautiful in themselves and Gradual Student needed not the rouge of speculation Department of Biology to quicken their charm, but that was Indiana University long ago, before modern science Bloomington, Indiana 47401 USA was born. wfischer@indiana.edu -- William Bateson, 1893
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: mv everything to /some/folder Date: 14 Mar 1994 18:21:14 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403150021.AA02534@alleg.EDU> Thanks to all those who replied, personally and posting. Will Fischer (wfischer@bio.indiana.edu) gets the award for the longest answer, but it also did exactly what I wanted. Many thanks also to Carl Edman for helping with this and many other NeXT problems/questions I've had over the last months. Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed {This space reserved in case I think of something witty to say.}
From: david.geary@mccaw.com (David Geary) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Under The Covers (was Re: Sounds for system events) Date: 14 Mar 1994 23:38:26 GMT Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m2shi$s0h@ftp-p.mccaw.com> References: <2lub4n$28r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Art Isbell writes > Freemansoft (info@freemansoft.com) sells FSSoundPanel ($20?) which is a >Preferences module thus not requiring another app to be running: > >About FSSoundPanel: >This module requires NEXTSTEP 3.1 or later to function correctly. This >module allows the user to attach sounds to certain WorkspaceManager >operations. The popup lists let you associate sounds with the workspace >operations listed below. FSSound is enabled and disabled via the Enable >switch in the FSSoundPanel preferences panel. A user must log out and >then log back in order for enable/disable changes to take effect. Sound >association changes are picked up immediately. I've seen a couple requests lately to get 'under the covers' of NS to modify system behavior; having all windows 'steal keys' and the sound request. Where can I find documentation on modifying system behavior? Where would I find docs on writing a 'Preferences module', for instance? -- // David Geary "I'm like a full-fledged member of the Hollis crew" // david.geary@mccaw.com // NeXTMail Welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computer.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.other,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: NeXT Hardware repair/exchange/sales Message-ID: <CMon3H.JtA@ucdavis.edu> Summary: Seeking Info on orgs that repair/exchange/sales NEXT BLACK HARDWARE Keywords: NeXT, hardware, purchase, repair, exchange Sender: David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 01:35:40 GMT I understand that there are 3 places to purchase/exchange/repair NeXT Black Hardware. 1) Bell Atlantic 1-800-499-NEXT (6398) 2) Pixelated Technologies 1-800-749-3563 & 310-459-6831 3) Dancing Bear Enterprizes SOMEWHERE IN COLORADO To keep those users interested in maintaining/purchasing/exchanging their black hardware well informed, could anyone with experiences with the above companies please post ( or reply to me ) any information that they have. In particular: In what city is Dancing Bear Enterprizes?? Are there any other companies/individuals selling/exchanging/repairing NeXT black hardware? Thanks, David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu
From: Dane Spearing <dane@rescomp.stanford.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing from Mac via CAP to NeXT Color Printer Date: 15 Mar 1994 02:12:34 GMT Organization: Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m35ii$8l9@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> We've got a NeXTStation Color set up running CAP, with a NeXT Color Printer attached to it. Color documents printed from the NeXT to the printer come out just fine. However, if a color document is sent from a Mac, via CAP, to the printer, the colors come out waaaaaay to dark. If a color document on the Mac is saved as a postscript file first, and then ftp-ed to the NeXT, it appears fine on-screen on the NeXT, but as soon as its printed out, it is once again too dark. Anyone have any success printing to a NeXT color printer via CAP from a Mac, or have a possible solution to this problem? Please respond via e-mail. Thanks!!! DANE SPEARING | Residential Computing | (415) 723-4800 Assistant Director | Stanford University |-------------------------> Sys Support & Development | Stanford, CA 94305 | dane@rescomp.stanford.edu
From: steve@eps.rain.com (Steve Kornreich) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GS Corp?? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 15 Mar 1994 04:15:04 GMT Organization: EPS Message-ID: <steve-140394201255@eps.rain.com> Does anyone have an email address or telephone number for GS Corp.?? I read about them in NeXTWorld mag Feb. issue. Thanks -- Steven Kornreich steve@eps.rain.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "TWARECKI,PIOTR,MR" <B7NS000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> Subject: Recipes (Food) & Digital Librarian on NS3.2 Message-ID: <14MAR94.24095225.0101@VM1.MCGILL.CA> Sender: usenet@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA Organization: McGill University Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 03:18:37 GMT Hello, I have recently downloaded the (food) Recipes file from cs.orst.edu, /pub/next/misc directory, and I have a difficult time trying to get it to work properly under the Digital Librarian on NS3.2. The file doesn't work "as is", and after a great struggle I managed to get the DL to diplay the recipes properly formatted, but I am unable to generate the proper descriptions. Is there a way of telling the ixbuild command how to generate the proper descriptions? I found the DL documentation very brief, and couldn't find this specific info there. Thank you in advance for any help. Peter. Peter Twarecki <b7ns@MUSICB.McGill.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Pentium Optimizations for NSI In-Reply-To: me@vigor.anatomy.upenn.edu's message of 14 Mar 1994 11:53:00 GMT To: me@vigor.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar14113059@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2m1j6s$ob6@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 16:30:57 GMT In article <2m1j6s$ob6@netnews.upenn.edu> me@vigor.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) writes: Since the Pentium has a somewhat different architecture from the i486, shouldn't compilation require different optimization strategies? Yes, certainly. A Pentium can parallelize code which has been written to take advantage of that fact and achieve significant performance increases on such code beyond standard 486 code. I'm interested in this particularly in regard to the operating system itself. Is NSI 3.2 running on a Pentium as fast as it could be? Considering when NS 3.2 was released and how long NeXT optimized its m68k floating point code for 68030s rather than 68040s, I seriously doubt it. Can anyone conjecture on how fast NSI 3.2 on the newly announced Pentium 100Mhz will be in comparison to NS running on the HP Gecko? As very few people have 100 MHz Pentiums or NS for HP, one can only speculate. But based on the released SpecInt92 and SpecFP92 numbers both the 90 MHz and the 100 MHz are faster at both floating point and integer computations than even the high end 712/80 (with a 100 MHz Pentiums having nearly twice the integer performance of the low end 712/60). Of course some 735s and 755s will run NS as well and their performance is higher still but their price should make them unaffordable even for well to do individuals. And before this subject comes up again: Those Pentium Specmarks were taken on machines equipped much like modern high-end consumer machines. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: trying to acquire a keyboard Message-ID: <1994Mar15.005241.6859@planon.qc.ca> Sender: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) References: <2m17hv$20a@netnews.ntu.edu.tw> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 00:52:41 GMT In article <2m17hv$20a@netnews.ntu.edu.tw> yangboy@math.ntu.edu.tw (B.Y.) writes: > I wonder if this group is still in business; anyway..... > Can someone tell me if it is still possible to obtain keyboards for the > NeXT slab from the company itself? > > Mucho thanks. > > -- > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | "Bridge is a Science, they said hopefully." ... Garbor on Miles-Kantar. | > | "ACBL is for Ayatollah's Correct Bidding Lessons." ... Edgar Kaplan. | > | "System is to Judgment as Strategy is to Tactics." ... Eric Rodwell. | > | "A _REAL_ Bridge Player is not afraid of preparations." ... S. Leniewski. | > | >>>> Professor WHO??, Bridge Enthusiast, at your Service! <<<< | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is two (2) kinds of keyboards. The original and the ADB. If your machine is configured to work with the ADB, you can use a Macintosh ADB keyboard to replace your NeXT-ADB keyboard. You just have to call your favorite Apple dealer to get an ADB keyboard. If your NeXT is older (aka before August 1992), you probably have the original keyboard. I suggest you to contact Bell Atlantic if you are in North America or the company which has replaced NeXT for repairs in your own country. Yanik -- Yanik Crepeau The power of OOP used to stop when Programmer the programmer typed "make". With Planon Telexpertise NEXTSTEP and PDO, that is not true E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT) anymore!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computer.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.other,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: rawyatt@teal.csn.org (Robert A. Wyatt) Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware repair/exchange/sales Message-ID: <CMozLE.KJ@csn.org> Keywords: NeXT, hardware, purchase, repair, exchange Sender: news@csn.org (The Daily Planet) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. References: <CMon3H.JtA@ucdavis.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 06:05:37 GMT In article <CMon3H.JtA@ucdavis.edu> dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) writes: > >I understand that there are 3 places to purchase/exchange/repair >NeXT Black Hardware. > >1) Bell Atlantic 1-800-499-NEXT (6398) >2) Pixelated Technologies 1-800-749-3563 & 310-459-6831 >3) Dancing Bear Enterprizes SOMEWHERE IN COLORADO > >To keep those users interested in maintaining/purchasing/exchanging >their black hardware well informed, could anyone with experiences >with the above companies please post ( or reply to me ) any information >that they have. In particular: In what city is Dancing Bear >Enterprizes?? Are there any other companies/individuals >selling/exchanging/repairing NeXT black hardware? > >Thanks, David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu Dancing Bear is in Vail, Colorado...You can reach them: info@dancingbear.com They have an 800 number also, but unfortunately I can't remember it! Anyway, ask for Tim Griswold...I know of many people who have bought from Dancing Bear and they all rave about the prices and service...Bell Atlantic is very capable, but very expensive! They tried to sell a company I used to work for a 400 meg internal hard drive for a station for $2000!!! This is absurd! Anyway, drop Dancing Bear a line...You won't be disappointed! -Rob
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Under The Covers (was Re: Sounds for system events) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 15 Mar 1994 06:40:18 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2m3l8i$7rj@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2lub4n$28r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <2m2shi$s0h@ftp-p.mccaw.com> In article <2m2shi$s0h@ftp-p.mccaw.com> david.geary@mccaw.com (David Geary) writes: > I've seen a couple requests lately to get 'under the covers' of NS to modify >system behavior; having all windows 'steal keys' and the sound request. None of these are modifying _system_ behavior, nor are any undocumented features being exploited by these programs. > Where would I >find docs on writing a 'Preferences module', for instance? /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/GeneralRef/14_Preferences/ Followups to comp.sys.next.programmer. -=EPS=-
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New -- Nova CDROM, 2nd Edition, for NeXT (Courtesy) Date: 15 Mar 1994 00:04:21 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2m2u25$k2@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2m27gu$dtm@agate.berkeley.edu> If you are going to violate the proper rules for posting this information then have the good sense to at least cross post. In future, please realize that all such commercial announcements go through next-announce@digifix.com (Which is the address for comp.sys.next.announce which is the moderated group) I don't wish to see this information out of it's place. So far i've seen it in alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.next.programmer, and now comp.sys.next.misc. Cross posting exists for a reason so if you still want to break the rules use it. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: miron@extropia.wimsey.com (Miron Cuperman) Subject: HELP: Keyboard problems, NS/I Message-ID: <1994Mar15.090931.740@extropia.wimsey.com> Organization: Immortal Freedom's Deck Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 09:09:31 GMT I am trying to install NS/I on my 486 clone. The motherboard is an OPTI 486DX-33. The keyboard locks up with "Unexpected RESEND from keyboard" printed repeatedly, after the kernel starts. The keyboard controller chip says on it "80c42 V1". Is this chip known to work? I tried three different keyboards. -- Miron Cuperman <miron@extropia.wimsey.com> | NeXTmail/Mime ok Unix/C++/DSP, consulting/contracting | Public key avail AMIX: MCuperman | Cryptocosmology: sufficiently advanced communication is indistinguishable from noise - god is in the least significant bits. - fnerd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: karl@khaos.com (Karl Hanzel) Subject: Chess.app, player preference settings don't work Message-ID: <1994Mar15.070153.1726@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:01:53 GMT I just now noticed that the player selections in the preferences panel for Chess.app are pretty well hosed up. I know... it's only demoware. I would like to be able to set it so that two humans can play. I select that configuration, hit <set> and <yes> to restart the game with the new setting, whereupon the computer *continues to play* as the black defender (offender). Subsequent attempts to re-select this config result in the board refusing to accept (or at least do anything useful with) further mouse button events It just beeps in response to button-downs. 'Ever notice this? Ever seen a fix? Ever seen the code? Dare i pester either of the authors (Glenn Reid, Richard Williamson) with petitions for a fix? I might be able to diagnose & do something with the code myself. Did i loose the code?... i've migrated from 2.1 to 3.0, 3.1 and now 3.2. Was it ever there? Thanks for your useful suggestions via email. pax, Karl *-----> Karl Hanzel Boulder, Colorado karl@khaos.com (NeXT Mail) or hanzel@comet.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yehia@cnd.mcgill.ca Subject: NeXTStep WWW Viewer Message-ID: <1994Mar15.160018.11508@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:00:18 GMT Hi, Does anybody know about an available WWW viewer for NeXTSTEP for Intel? Al the Y
From: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (Alok K. Dhir) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GIF/JPG/PCX etc Viewer? Date: 15 Mar 1994 17:34:19 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2m4rir$l0g@hecate.umd.edu> Hey all - does such a viewer exist for NSI3.2? I do not have an Xserver either, so xv doesn't help me at all - unless you know of an Xserver I could use :-). Thanks -- -----------------------------------___------------------------------------- | Al Dhir, Programmer Analyst /___\ UMCP Ag-Engineering Dept | | Internet: adhir@is-next.umd.edu (o o) (301) 405-1197 | -------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrad@turing.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: Re: GIF/JPG/PCX etc Viewer? Message-ID: <CMpws8.J6y@ucdavis.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA References: <2m4rir$l0g@hecate.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 18:02:31 GMT In article <2m4rir$l0g@hecate.umd.edu> adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (Alok K. Dhir) writes: >Hey all - does such a viewer exist for NSI3.2? I do not have an Xserver >either, so xv doesn't help me at all - unless you know of an Xserver I >could use :-). > >Thanks > >-- > -----------------------------------___------------------------------------- > | Al Dhir, Programmer Analyst /___\ UMCP Ag-Engineering Dept | > | Internet: adhir@is-next.umd.edu (o o) (301) 405-1197 | > -------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------------------- > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Alternatives for Black Hardware Repair/Purchases/Exchange Expires: References: Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: world Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Keywords: NeXT, hardware, black, motorola, purchase, exchange FYI, Dancing Bear Enterprizes sells and warranties NeXT Black Hardware. They currently have catalogues available. Contact can be made via info below. Brian or Tim Griswold, Dancing Bear Enterprises at 800-221-2217 or 303-479-9101. Email inquiries to tim@dancingbear.com This is not an endorsement. The information is provided as an effort to assist NeXT users in making decisions pertaining to maintaining their systems. Please post or e-mail any information which will assist in expanding the current set of alternatives for NeXT motorola useres. List: 1) Atlantic Bell 2) Pixelated Technologies 3) Dancing Bear 4) Currently looking into permission to list another 5) ... Your input Thanks to those who have given their input on this. David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu
From: wolf@lanl.gov (David R Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Talk Date: 15 Mar 1994 18:11:29 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2m4toh$iop@newshost.lanl.gov> what is the proper way to enable the "talk" feature for the next. when i reply to a talk message i get: "[Couldn't bind to control socket : Can't assign requested address (49)" also, is there a next interface for talk available? -- ======================================================================= David R. Wolf wolf@lanl.gov LANL, MS P940, 87545 (505) 667-3813 =======================================================================
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift, Inc.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GS Corp?? Date: 15 Mar 1994 22:21:04 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m5ccg$314@inxs.concert.net> References: <steve-140394201255@eps.rain.com> In article <steve-140394201255@eps.rain.com> steve@eps.rain.com (Steve Kornreich) writes: > Does anyone have an email address or telephone number for GS Corp.?? I read > about them in NeXTWorld mag Feb. issue. > Thanks > Info at goldleaf.com Dave -- Paradigm Shift, Inc. info@paradigm-shift.com A NeXTSTEP-only Reseller 919.682.8553 [Voice] Hardware, Software & Peripherals 919.682.1126 [Fax] ***** INSTANT APPROVAL ON POs ORIGINATING FROM SCHOOLS and GOVT. AGENCIES *****
From: iwj@white.dogwood.com (Ian Jackson) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CFV: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Followup-To: poster Date: 15 Mar 1994 18:06:34 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <comp.sys.next.hardware-reorg-CFV1@uunet.uu.net> References: <comp.sys.next.hardware-reorg-RFD1@uunet.uu.net> CALL FOR VOTES comp.sys.next.hardware reorganisation This is a Call for Votes regarding the proposal to split comp.sys.next.hardware into three unmoderated groups, comp.sys.next.hardware.i386, .m68k and .misc. Votes must be received by 23:59 GMT on the 5th of April 1994. Please see below for voting instructions and contact information. CHARTERS ======== comp.sys.next.hardware.i386 Computers running NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors This group is intended for discussion of hardware topics relating to NeXTstep running on Intel x86 series processors. Appropriate topics include (but are of course not limited to) the various vendors of NeXTstep compatible Intel x86 systems, ISA/EISA/VLB/PCI cards and drivers for such systems and the DriverKit. comp.sys.next.hardware.m68k Computers running NeXTSTEP for NeXT Computers This group is intended for discussion of hardware topics relating to NeXTstep running on Motorola 680x0 series processors. Currently this includes all hardware questions relating to turbo and non-turbo NeXTcube and NeXTstations systems as well as NeXTdimension systems. comp.sys.next.hardware.misc Peripherals and miscellaneous Hardware (renamed from comp.sys.next.hardware) NeXTstep related hardware questions which belong in none or all of the existing processor specific groups belong in comp.sys.next.hardware.misc. Appropriate topics include the discussion of SCSI devices, modems and printers as related to NeXTstep, any topic relating to NeXTstep on new processors for which no processor specific group has yet been created, and many more. If this group is created it will replace comp.sys.next.hardware, which will therefore be removed approximately three months later. Crossposts between any of these three groups are discouraged. A subject appropriate for one of the processor specific newsgroups is by definition inappropriate for the .misc group, and a question which could go to both of them generally belongs in neither but only in the .misc group. RATIONALE ========= As NeXTSTEP has started to support multiple hardware architectures, the articles in comp.sys.next.hardware are clearly split right now. They are unrelated, but happen to be in the same newsgroup; things are going to be even worse when new hardware architectures are supported. This split will help to make reading hardware articles easier, as related articles will be grouped together. People only interested in one hardware architecture don't have to dig through all articles in order to find those they are interested in. The following naming rule for hardware groups has been applied, so that users of NeXTSTEP computers know at once which hardware newsgroup to use: comp.sys.next.hardware.`/usr/bin/arch` (this is the same as the MACH cpu type -- see man 3 arch). This is not ideal, but it is predictable. Fancier names could be chosen, but again, people would have to ask for the correct name of his newsgroup, and this discussion would start again and again with every new hardware architecture. VOTING INSTRUCTIONS =================== YOUR VOTE WILL BE COUNTED BY A PROGRAM. Please use the template below and follow the instructions exactly. If you do not do so your ballot may not be understood and would then be returned to you with your vote uncounted. Send a mail message to iwj-vote@white.dogwood.com, containing this in the body: ballot csnh name XXXXX vote comp.sys.next.hardware.i386 YES/NO/ABSTAIN vote comp.sys.next.hardware.m68k YES/NO/ABSTAIN vote comp.sys.next.hardware.misc YES/NO/ABSTAIN stop Replace XXXXX with your name (not your email address!). Delete YES, NO and ABSTAIN as appropriate to leave your votes. Quoting characters at the start of each line (such as inserted by a newsreader `reply' function) will be ignored. PLEASE NOTE: * Use the template; include all six lines of it, and don't mess it about. * Please don't quote the whole of this Call for Votes in your reply ! NOTES REGARDING VOTING ====================== Your vote must be received by 23:59:59GMT on the 5th of April 1994. There will be one further Call for Votes. You will receive a personal acknowledgement by email. Note that it is your responsibility to ensure that your vote is registered correctly. Everything must be spelled correctly. Your name must be supplied. You may only vote from one account. If you vote from several accounts in an attempt at fraud all your votes may be discounted and your name published. You can request a copy of this Call for Votes by sending: ballot csnh send-cfv stop Please don't distribute mutated voting instructions. This can cause serious problems for the voters who use them and for me as vote taker. If you are in any doubt, please contact me - I'll be very happy to advise you. CONTACT INFORMATION =================== This vote is being handled by Ian Jackson as a neutral third party. Please direct all voting and procedural questions and reports of problems to him at iwj@white.dogwood.com. NOTE! Please send *votes* to iwj-vote@white.dogwood.com ^^^^ Please direct all questions regarding the proposed new group to either one of the proposers, Stephan Trebels <trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de> or Carl Edman <cedman@cedman.remote.Princeton.EDU>. -- Ian Jackson acting on behalf of the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers vote taker for the comp.sys.next.hardware reorganisation votes to iwj-vote@white.dogwood.com correspondance to iwj@white.dogwood.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> From: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> Message-ID: <9403152322.AA22153@relay2.geis.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 22:46:00 BST Cc: comp-sys-next-programmer@antigone.com Subject: New -- Nova CDROM, 2nd Edition >If you are going to violate the proper rules for posting this >information then have the good sense to at least cross post. >In future, please realize that all such commercial announcements go >through next-announce@digifix.com (Which is the address for >comp.sys.next.announce which is the moderated group) Yes, I agree with you and I'm sorry that the Nova SE Press Release was posted in this newsgroup. I was not aware that someone else other then me at Walnut Creek CDROM would post to the NeXT groups. The person who did this won't do it again. It's a mistake. I'm sorry. The Nova SE Press Release has been posted a while back in the announcements newsgroup with great feedback! Thanks for understanding. Eric "E.T." Tremblay Walnut Creek CDROM
From: vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep WWW Viewer Date: 16 Mar 1994 03:12:28 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m5tes$20i@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1994Mar15.160018.11508@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> In article <1994Mar15.160018.11508@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> yehia@cnd.mcgill.ca writes: > Hi, > Does anybody know about an available WWW viewer for NeXTSTEP for Intel? > OmniWeb works for both Intel & Motorola. You can get it via anonymous ftp from ftp.omnigroup.com. Warning: the current version 0.5 is pre-beta, although it is much more stable than usual alpha-versions. ***************************************************************************** Vadim S. Kaplunovsky, | vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (NextMail OK) Assistant Professor of Physics, | #include <std_disclaimer.h> University of Texas at Austin. | #excuse bad_typing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat@biocat1.iit.edu (pathikrit bandyopadhyay) Subject: questions about upgrade Message-ID: <1994Mar15.224001.3124@iitmax.iit.edu> Sender: news@iitmax.iit.edu (News) Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 22:40:01 GMT i have a next with: system release 2.1 processor 68040 mem 8 MB disk 406 MB i will like to upgrade it to 3.0 and will like know what is involved in doing so (ie., cost, if more memory/disk space needed .......). this might be a FAQ, so if you know where the answer is please let me know. any help is appreciated. pathikrit pat@biocat1.iit.edu
From: ambi@kaizen.com (Mike Amirault) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.2 "bug" fix! Date: 16 Mar 1994 08:04:26 GMT Organization: Boston University Message-ID: <2m6eia$8af@news.bu.edu> Here's something I've run into - I have a feeling that I'm not the only one... Since upgrading to 3.2, I had the following problems: - A lot more disk access. - General system slowdown. - Crashes when I tried to do a lot of things at once. - Really slow drag/drop. I found the reason why. I have an external 680MB drive that I have the OS on and an internal 105MB drive that I use as a swapdisk. I had the swapdisk configure for a lowat of 16MB and a hiwat of 105MB. It turns out that the upgrade changed the /etc/rc.swap file and changed the hiwat to 32MB. This caused the swapfile to fill up rather quick and then either crash or start swapping to the 680MB drive and then crash. Changing the hiwat value back to 105MB has fixed everything. I hope this helps someone else in the same boat! -- Mike Amirault Kaizen Solutions, Inc. ambi@kaizen.com (617) 527-7648
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> From: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> Message-ID: <9403160324.AA26197@relay2.geis.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 02:29:00 BST Subject: Dot Matrix Printer Support GOOD NEWS! The NEXTSTEP Dot Matrix Printer Drivers are SHIPPING! I just received mine today! The diskette includes printer drivers for an Epson 510 IBM ProPrinter 24P, or compatible dot matrix printer. All of this usable on a Black or White hardware. I think it sells for $80.00 (Don't have the bill yet...) It's not very fun to pay for something we had for free in 3.1 but at least we can use a dot matrix printer with NEXTSTEP. Eric "E.T." Tremblay Walnut Creek CDROM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 05:04:49 GMT This reorganization is I think a very good idea (as you probably have gathered from my co-sponsorship of the proposal). While the existence of a newsgroup affects tens or even hundreds of thousands of readers, generally only a few hundred people vote on each group, so each vote has a large impact. Groups regularly fail to be created (or are created) by a small handful of votes either way. So please vote and please vote yes on all three proposals. With a decent news reader it should take you less than 60 seconds. Carl Edman
From: Mark Engelhardt <MarkE@Wayzata-Tech.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Monitor To Macintosh Quadra? Yes! Date: 16 Mar 1994 01:37:53 GMT Organization: Wayzata Technology Inc Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m5nth$t04@cedar.mr.net> References: <1994Mar11.133308.1@acad.drake.edu> NeXT Monitor To Macintosh Quadra? Yes my friend did it He hacked up a color cable and connected the RGB coax to the mac pinout then he tweeked the monitor to display the image Good Luck! ----------------------------------------------------------- | Mark Engelhardt ----> Best E-Mail Address - WayzataTec@aol.com | Wayzata Technology Inc | 2515 East Highway 2 | Grand Rapids, Minnesota 55744 <-- Tundra ? No, Gods Country | 218-326-0597 | 218-326-0598 FAX -----------------------------------------------------------
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Date: 16 Mar 1994 13:02:52 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> There is ALREADY an appropriate place to discuss Intel hardware- specific issues: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware--which itself has EIGHT subgroups. (There are also already appropriate places to discuss PA-RISC and SPARC hardware issues.) There is ALREADY an appropriate place to discuss the DriverKit-- comp.sys.next.programmer. There is ALREADY an appropriate place to discuss SCSI devices-- comp.periphs.scsi There is ALREADY an appropriate place to discuss modems-- comp.dcom.modems etc. etc. etc. Experience has shown that this type of split only results in a degraded signal/noise ratio, a rise in inappropriate crosspostings, readership segmentation, and desertion by the "experts" best qualified to answer YOUR burning questions. I urge all of you to vote NO, NO, NO on these three ill-conceived proposals. But first--read the articles in news.announce.newusers. Even the "old timers" could use a little refresher. -=EPS=-
From: fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on?: Another data point Date: 16 Mar 1994 08:56:36 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Message-ID: <2m736k$kv9@nova.umd.edu> References: <2lqhae$l9f@bmerha64.bnr.ca> <1994Mar13.114020.927@gamelan.uucp> In article <1994Mar13.114020.927@gamelan.uucp>, Thomas Funke <thf@zelator.de> wrote: >In article <2lqhae$l9f@bmerha64.bnr.ca> msander@bcarh63f.bnr.ca (Michael >Sanderson) writes: >> >> for leaving the computer on, what about the software reasons. e.g. >> if my computer's off, how is cron going to truncate my logs, etc? > >Easy: Change the times in crontab to the times when your computer is >usually on. I have a cube at home (about 3 years now) and a station at the office (about 6 month less than the cube). I leave the office station on all the time (it's on a network, etc.) and the cube I turn off in the evenings and leave on all weekend (that's when the crons get to do their work). So far, no problems with either machine--so it will take a while longer to get the test results. However, there is another difference--the station has two drives, one which is mainly used for swapping. The cube has a single 330M drive with little space left on it--thus I really need to reboot often to reclaim swap space--so the evening shutdowns save electricity and clean up the swap. BTW--3.2 seems to have a new swap scheme (my Intel has a single drive and no swap problems and it is running all the time), so hopefully when I upgrade my cube to 3.2, the swap agrument may become mote and we can return to the original debate!-) Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: adar0@routers.com Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers.other,misc.forsale.computer.pc-clone,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware repair/exchange/sales Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:17:24 PDT Organization: MIDnet (NSFnet backbone) Message-ID: <2m74ml$sp7@ace.mid.net> References: <CMozLE.KJ@csn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In article <CMozLE.KJ@csn.org>, <rawyatt@teal.csn.org> writes: > > Dancing Bear is in Vail, Colorado...You can reach them: > > info@dancingbear.com > > > They have an 800 number also, but unfortunately I can't remember it! Anyway, > ask for Tim Griswold...I know of many people who have bought from Dancing For all that haven't really thought about it, to locate anyone's correct 800 number, call 800-555-1212. It works the same for 800 numbers as for any other area code.
From: jdawson@sashimi.wwa.com (Jerald W. Dawson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I need CNews Sources Date: 16 Mar 1994 09:08:16 -0600 Organization: Computing Engineers Inc. Home of WorldWide Access (SM) Message-ID: <2m77d0$q9f@sashimi.wwa.com> I was wondering if someone could tell me where I can find the source for CNews that I can compile for NS/Intel. Better yet, how about MAB binaries that I can just install. Please direct and responses to jerald@mrk.com instead of the account I'm posting from. Thanx jerald Dawson NeXTMail jerald@mrk.com
From: rimon@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Rimon E. Huque) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Installing on to 030 cube from CD Date: 16 Mar 1994 15:49:43 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m79qn$ho@netnews.upenn.edu> Can anyone tell me which CDROM drives can be used on an old 030 NeXT for 3.2 installation? Will the OS documentation have special instructions for installing to 030 cubes? Any other things I might need to do. Can I use any CD-ROM drive from a Macintosh to do this? Rimon Huque rhuque@turbo.kean.edu rimon@spectre.sas.upenn.edu
From: darohn@giganext (Douglas A Rohn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NewsGrazer v75 and 72.3 bug Date: 16 Mar 1994 16:46:00 GMT Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Message-ID: <2m7d49$121@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> References: <1994Mar11.160041.86771@yuma> In article <1994Mar11.160041.86771@yuma> kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) writes: > In article <CMH49x.94o@ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd > Heberlein) writes: > > Summary: NewsGrazer versions 75 and 72.3 running on NEXTSTEP 3.0 on > > a NeXTstation TurboColor is crashing when certain newsgroups > > are read. (currently comp.sys.next.misc) It appears to be > > associated with the sort articles and prefetch title options. > > > > > > Details: To get my NewsGrazer to crash, the following conditions need to > > exist: > > 1) the Preferences/Article Summary/Prefetch article title > > is checked > > 2) the Preferences/Article Summary/Sort articles box is > checked > > 3) All the articles is comp.sys.next.misc have all been > > prefetched before I look at the news group > > i noticed that my v75 newsgrazer crashes when items 1 and 2 above > are checked but when the articles are still being fetched. when > all articles in all groups i subscribe to have been fetched and sorted, > it will not crash. > > kelley wittmeyer > dept of atmospheric science > colorado state university I have also found a single article in alt.great-lakes that causes my v72.2 to crash when the Prefetch Article Title option is turned on. When NewsGrazer worked its way down thru all the groups I subscribe to "fetching" titles, and got to that group, it would die. If I selected that group before NewsGrazer got to it, it would crash when it scrolled down and tried to display that article title. Also, with that option off, I tried to read that article, and NewsGrazer would immediately crash. Doug -- Douglas A. Rohn NASA Lewis Research Center MS 23-3 Research Engineer 21000 Brookpark Rd. darohn@giganext.lerc.nasa.gov Cleveland, OH 44135 "What...Me worry?" -----------------STANDARD DISCLAIMER-------------------
From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 16 Mar 1994 16:56:51 GMT Organization: MicroMuse Ltd, London, England Message-ID: <2m7doj$46l@jake.micromuse.co.uk> References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> Eric P. Scott (eps@futon.SFSU.EDU) wrote: : There is ALREADY an appropriate place to discuss Intel hardware- : specific issues: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware--which itself has : EIGHT subgroups. (There are also already appropriate places to : discuss PA-RISC and SPARC hardware issues.) Great... and get all the noise from all the DOS and Windows and whatever else goes on in there. There should be a place to talk about NextStep on PC hardware..... And in turn, that seperates out the M68K stuff.... : Experience has shown that this type of split only results in a : degraded signal/noise ratio, a rise in inappropriate : crosspostings, readership segmentation, and desertion by the : "experts" best qualified to answer YOUR burning questions. When I find myself having to sift through the hardware group to figure out which is PC related (absolutely no interest to me) and which is Black hardware related, then the time has come for something to be done to the hardware group. NextStep is an operating system. As an operating system, it has an *intimate* relationship with hardware. As NextStep is a multiplatform OS, shoving everything through one group just creates a different form of noise. -- ============================================================================ dj@micromuse.co.uk |"I'm a loser, Baby, so why don't you kill me?" Beck Voice +44-81-875-9500 |"I've seen the future, I can't afford it" ABC ------------------------+--------------------------------------------------- Non-standard Disclaimer : "I didn't do it, it wasn't me, I wasn't there"
From: bchin@clt.fx.net (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pentium Optimizations for NSI Date: 16 Mar 1994 19:13:05 GMT Organization: FXnet, Internet Services Provider (info@fx.net). Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m7lo1$7ou@clt.fx.net> References: <2m1j6s$ob6@netnews.upenn.edu> Joe Panico (me@vigor.anatomy.upenn.edu) wrote: : Since the Pentium has a somewhat different architecture from the : i486, shouldn't compilation require different optimization : strategies? In order to take advantage of the superscaling features in the Pentium, instructions have to be re-ordered. This re-ordering apparently also helps out the 486. : I'm interested in this particularly in regard to : the operating system itself. Is NSI 3.2 running on a Pentium : as fast as it could be? My understanding is that the C compiler in NEXTSTEP has already been updated to include the instruction re-ordering optimizations, and therefore NEXTSTEP and the NEXTSTEP apps are already Pentium optimized. : Can anyone conjecture on how fast : NSI 3.2 on the newly announced Pentium 100Mhz will be in : comparison to NS running on the HP Gecko? Any insights : (guesses) appreciated. Thanks Don't compare a chip to a system. A manufacturer can put a 100mhz Pentium into a main-board with an awful 32 bit memory system, slow DMA, slow I/O, slow peripherals, etc., and basically kill performance. When comparing SPECmarks, note the numbers quoted for the Intel chips are running in the Intel Xpress box - Intel's reference system. This system is architected like a true workstation for performance and is priced accordingly. The average schmoe Pentium system isn't going to perform as well. A 100mhz Pentium system engineered for performance running NEXTSTEP should compare quite favorably to a Gecko, but will also be priced in the same region. The price of fast SCSI disks, fast memory chips, big displays, etc. cost the same whether you are on a 486 or on a SGI Extreme. Finally, what kind of speed were you looking for? Straight line single process integer? Juggling 200 users? Just looking at the 486 vs. NeXT turbo hardware, it seems that the NeXT handle load much better than the 486's we have - when memory is overcommitted and I/O is overloaded, what happens? Traditional benchmarks usually don't take this into account. ..Bill Chin
From: citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (MCCOLLAM, DON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: JANA address? Date: 16 Mar 1994 13:26 MST Organization: University of Arizona Distribution: world Message-ID: <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 I believe the JANA folks still owe me a CD-ROM (from the 2 CD-ROM offer of _several_ months (seasons?) ago. Will someone please post their e-mail address. Thanks. Don McCollam mccollam@snow.ccit.arizona.edu
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I need CNews Sources Date: 16 Mar 1994 16:39:25 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2m7cnt$1i8@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2m77d0$q9f@sashimi.wwa.com> jdawson@sashimi.wwa.com (Jerald W. Dawson) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc > >I was wondering if someone could tell me where I can find the source for >CNews that I can compile for NS/Intel. Better yet, how about MAB >binaries that I can just install. > >Please direct and responses to jerald@mrk.com instead of the account I'm >posting from. > >Thanx > >jerald Dawson > >NeXTMail jerald@mrk.com Pete Clark put one on cs.orst.edu a while back. IT should be still there somwehere. -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@cs.stanford.edu> Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Summary: Colour printing from Mac to NeXT Colour Printer Date: 16 Mar 1994 22:16:24 GMT Organization: Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m80fo$4ee@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Thanks to everyone who replied about our colour printing problems. We have got it working, by the following means: 1. The Macs need the latest driver -- LaserWriter 8.0 -- which is colour-smart. 2. The driver needs the NeXT_Color_Printer.ppd printer description file. We couldn't find this on ftp.adobe.com, or ftp.next.com, but it turned out that we had it all along, in /NextLibrary/PrinterTypes/English.lproj 3. The first time you choose the printer in the Chooser on the Mac, you have to click the "Setup..." button and hit "More choices", "Select PPD", and open the NeXT_Color_Printer.ppd printer description file. 4. When you print, you have to click the "Options" button in the print dialog and make sure that "Calibrated Color/Greyscale" is selected. 5. Now, you have to print to a file, ftp the file to the NeXT, and print it with "lpr". The reason you can't print directly to the lwsrv running on the NeXT, is that if you give the Mac a chance to talk directly to the lwsrv, it will deny any knowledge of colour calibration and the Mac will decide to just send dumb postscript instead. What we need now is a smarter lwsrv that can conduct the dialog with the Mac correctly, and I believe that there are already some versions in beta test that do this. Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@cs.stanford.edu> * <A HREF="file://brubeck.stanford.edu/www/cheshire-bio.html">WWW</A> * Stanford Distributed Systems Group Research Assistant * Escondido Village Resident Computer Coordinator * Macintosh Programmer
From: schaefer@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Martha W. Schaefer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Monitor To Macintosh Quadra? Yes! Date: 16 Mar 1994 21:22:51 GMT Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics Sender: schaefer@denali (Martha W. Schaefer) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m7tbb$86n@paperboy.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <1994Mar11.133308.1@acad.drake.edu> <2m5nth$t04@cedar.mr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <2m5nth$t04@cedar.mr.net>, Mark Engelhardt <MarkE@Wayzata-Tech.com> writes: |> NeXT Monitor To Macintosh Quadra? Yes |> |> my friend did it |> |> He hacked up a color cable and connected the RGB coax to the mac pinout |> then he tweeked the monitor to display the image |> |> Good Luck! |> Does this mean that you can connect a monitor for a Mac Quadra to a NeXT also?
From: zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Date: 16 Mar 1994 23:36:34 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2m8562$2u3@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> <2m7doj$46l@jake.micromuse.co.uk> In article <2m7doj$46l@jake.micromuse.co.uk> dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan) writes: >Great... and get all the noise from all the DOS and Windows and >whatever else goes on in there. There should be a place to >talk about NextStep on PC hardware..... >And in turn, that seperates out the M68K stuff.... >When I find myself having to sift through the hardware group to >figure out which is PC related (absolutely no interest to me) and >which is Black hardware related, then the time has come for something >to be done to the hardware group. The problem I see with the hardware newsgroup reorganization is that pretty soon we will have to add .sparc, .pa-risc, .alpha, .powerpc, etc. I don't think it is that terribly difficult to filter out questions regarding intel vs. motorola, like the above paragraph describes. So I don't think it is time to split the hardware groups. I think it would cause more confusion than it's worth (we already have 10 nextstep newsgroups, adding three more will result in people not keeping track of all the zillions of groups, and incorrect cross-postings will occur, I think). Eric
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift, Inc.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware repair/exchange/sales Date: 16 Mar 1994 20:40:16 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m7qrh$jut@inxs.concert.net> References: <2m74ml$sp7@ace.mid.net> In article <2m74ml$sp7@ace.mid.net> adar0@routers.com writes: > For all that haven't really thought about it, to locate anyone's > correct 800 number, call 800-555-1212. It works the same for 800 > numbers as for any other area code. That's NOT ENTIRELY correct. We have an 800-number however, we do not have it listed purposely, as a lot of companies don't. Dave -- Paradigm Shift, Inc. info@paradigm-shift.com A NeXTSTEP-only Reseller 919.682.8553 [Voice] Hardware, Software & Peripherals 919.682.1126 [Fax] ***** INSTANT APPROVAL ON POs ORIGINATING FROM SCHOOLS and GOVT. AGENCIES *****
From: Rick.Reynolds@3DO.com (Rick Reynolds) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff->eps -> NeXT via photoshop Can this be true ?!? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 16 Mar 1994 21:38:02 GMT Organization: The 3DO Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <Rick.Reynolds-160394133653@198.211.35.16> References: <CMBwHy.Gvp@moksha.uucp> <2lt2fd$2hh@machthenext.dannug.dk> > > I work with a MAC at work, and I have my NeXT at home, and I never have > the problem. When your friend saves the .eps file in PhotoShop, there s an > option which allows him to separate the file into 4 colors + 1 preview > file, but if he turns that option off, PhotoShop will save one file, > called a composite, containing a correct image. > > Best regards > > Michael > Another option is to bring the TIFF home to the NeXT and convert it to EPS on the NeXT if you need to. P.S. I firmly recommend PixelMagician for file conversions of any sort. I used to use it at Publish Magazine to fix Mac-to-Mac and PC-to-Mac problems all the time. Rick Reynolds The 3DO Company Rick.Reynolds@3DO.com ***My remarks do not necessarily reflect the opinions of my employer.***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> From: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> Message-ID: <9403170223.AA13174@relay2.geis.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 02:05:00 BST Cc: cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu Subject: Dot Matrix Printer Here's a little more information about the Dot-Matrix driver. You can buy directly from NeXT Inc. The complete list of supported printers is: Epson 510 IBM ProPrinter 24P or compatible dot matrix printers. That's it, that's all. Eric "E.T." Tremblay
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization In-Reply-To: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU's message of 16 Mar 1994 13:02:52 GMT To: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar16110251@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 16:02:51 GMT In article <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: There is ALREADY an appropriate place to discuss Intel hardware- specific issues: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware--which itself has EIGHT subgroups. (There are also already appropriate places to discuss PA-RISC and SPARC hardware issues.) [ ... and more of the same ... ] Experience has shown that this type of split only results in a degraded signal/noise ratio, a rise in inappropriate crosspostings, readership segmentation, and desertion by the "experts" best qualified to answer YOUR burning questions. Yes, yes, yes and by the same argument the entire comp.sys.next hierarchy should never have been created. After we can discuss all these things in comp.os.mach -- a couple thousand articles a week all in one group on all subjects including what today is discussed in .advocacy and .marketplace and even a couple posts regarding Mach having nothing at all to do with NeXT. Yes, I'm sure that would have increased signal/noise ratio, reduced inappropriate crosspostings (no, really !), and there'd have been many more experts willing to read and reply to all those posts. Or at the very least c.s.n.hardware should never have been created as you've shown that virtually every single article here really belongs in a different group. Should all those misguided souls who post here or who read this newsgroup consider themselves flamed by you ? Seriously, any proposed reorganization of the Usenet stands and falls by one single question: Will it on average allow users to find more articles of personal interest to them in less time ? Look at the readership of c.s.n.hardware. How many actually have or are interested in several different hardware categories ? Certainly there are a few, but most users are interested only in problems on the one platform which they own or intend to own. Now go back through your c.s.n.hardware news spool. Look at every article. For almost every single one of them you can decide easily that it would not be of interest to a predictable segment of the readership (those with a different hardware platform). So logically it follows that splitting c.s.n.hardware along these lines will reduce the time spent reading news for most c.s.n.hardware readers while keeping the amount of information useful to any one reader constant. So by this standard the proposals pass. Finally, let's consider the worst case. Let's imagine that right after the reorganization all NS/Moto users get an NS/FIP machine for Christmas and vice versa and that emulation technology becomes available which makes all these machines appear identical even on the hardware level. So suddenly all post to c.s.n.h.* are crossposts to all the groups. But crossposts require only a minimal amount of additional network bandwidth or disk storage so on this point nothing has changed. Users for all of the c.s.n.h.* groups will see posts on all the hardware platforms but with any modern news reader they'll only do so once -- just as they do today. So nothing will be worse than today ! Clearly, I do not believe that this will happen, nor does any one else except for you. But even if it did, we would not have lost anything we have today. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization In-Reply-To: zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU's message of 16 Mar 1994 23:36:34 GMT To: zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar16225833@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> <2m7doj$46l@jake.micromuse.co.uk> <2m8562$2u3@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 03:58:33 GMT In article <2m8562$2u3@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) writes: In article <2m7doj$46l@jake.micromuse.co.uk> dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan) writes: >Great... and get all the noise from all the DOS and Windows and >whatever else goes on in there. There should be a place to >talk about NextStep on PC hardware..... >And in turn, that seperates out the M68K stuff.... >When I find myself having to sift through the hardware group to >figure out which is PC related (absolutely no interest to me) and >which is Black hardware related, then the time has come for something >to be done to the hardware group. The problem I see with the hardware newsgroup reorganization is that pretty soon we will have to add .sparc, .pa-risc, .alpha, .powerpc, etc. We will only do so if the volume justifies it. Until then the proposal specifies clearly that all discussion of such platforms belongs in comp.sys.next.hardware.misc. I don't think it is that terribly difficult to filter out questions regarding intel vs. motorola, like the above paragraph describes. If there was a simple way to write kill files which filter out m68k/i386 postings much of the motivation for the split would be gone. As things are it is almost impossible to mechanically recognize the majority of posts as belonging into either category or none. So I don't think it is time to split the hardware groups. I think it would cause more confusion than it's worth (we already have 10 nextstep newsgroups, adding three more will result in people not keeping track of all the zillions of groups, and incorrect cross-postings will occur, I think). Cross posts do not cost any significant amount of hard disk space, network bandwidth or (with any modern news software) reader time. Even in the worst of all possible cases of every single article in every single of the comp.sys.next.hardware.* groups being cross-posted to every single other comp.sys.next.hardware.* group (a rather unrealistic proposition to start with) and every single reader being subscribed to all the comp.sys.next.hardware.* groups, we (or the net) wouldn't be one iota worse off than we are today with just a one comp.sys.next.hardware group. Still, the proposal discourages crossposts and the names of the groups are rather self-explanatory. If any poster follows that advise, we have a net gain over the current situation. Carl Edman
From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 17 Mar 1994 09:07:28 GMT Organization: MicroMuse Ltd, London, England Message-ID: <2m96kg$aok@jake.micromuse.co.uk> References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> <2m7doj$46l@jake.micromuse.co.uk> <2m8562$2u3@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Eric M Hermanson (zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) wrote: : In article <2m7doj$46l@jake.micromuse.co.uk> dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan) writes: : >When I find myself having to sift through the hardware group to : >figure out which is PC related (absolutely no interest to me) and : >which is Black hardware related, then the time has come for something : >to be done to the hardware group. : The problem I see with the hardware newsgroup reorganization is that pretty : soon we will have to add .sparc, .pa-risc, .alpha, .powerpc, etc. When they come.... I do find it a pain to have to read through all the subject lines, trying to decide if they are appropriate and more often than not, even if they look appropriate, they may not be. Of course, the misc group could take up the slack and handle the as yet unavailable ports when they arrive. If the traffic is high for a platform, make a new group.... Until then, don't worry, and just get in a functional split now. -- ============================================================================ dj@micromuse.co.uk |"I'm a loser, Baby, so why don't you kill me?" Beck Voice +44-81-875-9500 |"I've seen the future, I can't afford it" ABC ------------------------+--------------------------------------------------- Non-standard Disclaimer : "I didn't do it, it wasn't me, I wasn't there"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: CeBIT Message-ID: <1994Mar17.092227.21108@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 09:22:27 GMT I was at CeBIT yesterday and talked to B. Woebker, head of NeXT Germany. Here's what he said: * There will be a version 3.3, both for intel and moto. I think it will also support the hp, but he refused to go into *any* detail about 3.3. * Pricing for NEXTSTEP will be *the same* on all architectures. I think this has been said before. * NeXTTime will be out as a separate product on June 23, 1994. I think this coincides with NWE. It will *not* be available for Motorola NeXTs, since only the (very few) ND cubes out there have the ability to capture image data and it doesn't make much sense without video capture. NeXTTime will be priced competitively to Video for Wingross and Quicktime. * A very large UK PC vendor is bundling NEXTSTEP with their high-end PCs. Woebker said this kind of deal would be possible in Germany, too, if he could connect to one of the bigger guys (Vobis or ESCOM). I'll see what I can do for him ;-) Some more things I found out by talking to the other guys at the booth: * The HP port is *supposed* to be out at NWE, too, but it might be close. * There will be another PDO announcement *very, very* soon. (Sorry, I cannot say more. Hint: This PDO port may have been easier to do than the HP one.) Things I found out all by myself :-) * NeXT's booth was very nice, a lot nicer than two years ago, and a lot nicer than the one at the GUUG show last september. They had a hugo presen- tation beamer that could display 1408*1024. Cool. Peter Lipps (technical chief, NeXT Germany) gave great demos and attracted a lot of people. * Miro, a German high-end graphics card maker, wrote NS drivers for all their cards. I saw them support (hold your breath) 1600*1200 pixels with 16bit color. They also support 32bit color, but I'm not sure about the resolution. 1600*1200 is awesome. There are eighteen items in the dock and you still have 48 scanlines left. They used a pretty large application font so you could see the menus better (maybe 16 point Hell-vetica :-). Doom looked like a thumbnail on that screen, and so did SoftPC. Screen performance was not snappy, but OK. * NeXT was said to be at the Sun booth, too, but I didn't go there, much as I would have liked to. No time. * The hp port is quite stable; I played around with it for over an hour, demonstrating WriteUp, Diagram, Concurrence, Services, and Drag-And-Drop to customers who were watching in awe. Nothing unexpected happened, except that when snarf'n barfing from Webster into an Edit-RTF file, the only thing that got pasted was a NeXT workspace Icon 8~| * Pages by Pages is *great* * WriteUp is *great* * PA-RISC is *fast* on FP, and pretty fast on integer. Popping up a 1MB TIFF in Preview takes less than half a second. Mandelbrot outran a 60 MHz 80586 by roughly a factor of four, which again proves that not all systems containing an 80586 deliver the same performance that intel's reference machines does (i.e. the "Pentium" does *not* have xx SPECint92, but a special reference system based on the "Pentium" does, and it's highly unlikely that this reference system is in any way cost-effective or that you PC-dealer's system comes anywhere close to its performance). * The color wheel on the HP does have artifacts in some places, due to their color recovery technique. I still wouldn't say the quality is bad especially since the rest of the graphics hardware is very good, so the picture does not flicker at all and is very sharp (which is not the case with many PC graphics cards, even when using the same monitor). That's all I remember now. I'll post again if more things pop up. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Still the same old signature...
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:31:06 EST From: <3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <94076.0031063JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA address? Distribution: world References: <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> Hi, There phone number is 1-800-363-2083. There E-Mail addres is christina@jana.com (She is in charge of custermer suport ). If you are looking for the upcoming CD it should be out in few weeks, I will ask some one to post the file list on the net in few days. From what I know it has about 200 MB of NEW files for the black. Jay PS : I work for Jana part-time, if you want to E-Mail me about Jana please send it to jay@jana.com.
Newsgroups: comp.databases.object,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org (Bruno Brottier) Subject: Poet or other OODB on top of NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1994Mar17.095720.1256@icare.fdn.org> Sender: news@icare.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Levallois, France. Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 09:57:20 GMT Hi netters ! Do anybody have any infos about Poet on NEXTSTEP, or any other OODB on NEXTSTEP. A friend of mine wants to build an app on NEXTSTEP, and do not want to use any RDB. Do you have any pointers/experiences/thought ? Cheers BB --------------------------- Bruno Brottier 37 rue Chaptal 92300 LEVALLOIS PERRET - FRANCE E-mail: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org -- [NeXTmail] ---------------------------
From: sailer@esr.hp.com (Lee Sailer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: mv everything to /some/folder Date: 17 Mar 1994 14:46:45 GMT Organization: HP Educational Services Organization Message-ID: <2m9qgl$6l9@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <9403130314.AA13978@alleg.EDU> Timothy J. Luoma (luomat@alleg.EDU) wrote: > I've read the mv man page, but it wasn't much help, and the same with > the rm man page. > Here's what I want to do: > When I logout, I have a script run that empties a folder (~/trash). > The only problem is that the way it does it is > rm -rf ~/trash/* ; rm -rf ~/trash/.* Isn't the trick here to remove everything from trash EXCEPT . and ..? cd ~trash; rm -rf * .[!.]* lee
From: kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) Newsgroups: comp.databases.object,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Poet or other OODB on top of NEXTSTEP Date: 17 Mar 1994 09:12:44 -0600 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Message-ID: <2m9s1c$m7j@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> References: <1994Mar17.095720.1256@icare.fdn.org> In article <1994Mar17.095720.1256@icare.fdn.org>, Bruno Brottier <b_brottier@icare.fdn.org> wrote: >Hi netters ! > >Do anybody have any infos about Poet on NEXTSTEP, or any other OODB on >NEXTSTEP. A friend of mine wants to build an app on NEXTSTEP, and do not >want to use any RDB. Do you have any pointers/experiences/thought ? > >Cheers > >BB >--------------------------- >Bruno Brottier >37 rue Chaptal >92300 LEVALLOIS PERRET - FRANCE >E-mail: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org -- [NeXTmail] >--------------------------- I posted a similar inquiry last week. The following pretty much summarizes the responses I got so far: From pom@anke.imsd.uni-mainz.DE Mon Mar 14 05:34:03 1994 Received: from anke.imsd.Uni-Mainz.DE by sugar.NeoSoft.COM with SMTP id AA25374 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM>); Mon, 14 Mar 1994 05:33:51 -0600 Received: from katrin by anke.imsd.uni-mainz.DE (NX5.67c/NX3.0M) id AA13098; Mon, 14 Mar 94 12:34:33 +0100 From: Prof. Dr. Klaus Pommerening <pom@anke.imsd.uni-mainz.DE> Message-Id: <9403141134.AA13098@anke.imsd.uni-mainz.DE> Received: by katrin.imsd.uni-mainz.DE (NX5.67c/NX3.0X) id AA02027; Mon, 14 Mar 94 12:34:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 12:34:30 +0100 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) Subject: Re: What Object Oriented databases work on NeXT? Status: RO In comp.sys.next.software article <2lqb7u$dpo@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> you wrote: > I'm curious what object oriented databases are out there for Next, > both commercial or free. For example, I plan to look into OBST. > I'd be interested if anyone has ported this to NeXT already. POET: Seems to be the best choice for NeXT. POET Software GmbH., Fossredder 12, D-22359 Hamburg, Germany, Tel. (+49)40/60990-0, Fax (+49)40/6039851 IDB: Seems quite similar to POET. Persistent Data Systems, Inc, P.O.Box 38415, Pittsburgh, PA 15238, Tel. 412-963-1843, Fax 412-963-1846. Versant: There is a version for NeXT/Motorola, which is not supported anymore. Itasca: No longer marketed for NeXT. -- Klaus Pommerening Institut fuer Medizinische Statistik und Dokumentation der Johannes-Gutenberg-Universitaet D-55101 Mainz, Germany -- Randy Kunkee Houston, TX 713-870-1334 kunkee@sugar.neosoft.com
From: balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de (Dirk Balfanz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: open -NXHost : help needed! Date: 17 Mar 1994 15:23:40 GMT Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m9sls$olh@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Hi there, When I locally do myhost> open Apps/SomeApp.app it works. When I rlogin and do remotehost> Apps/SomeApp.app/SomeApp -NXHost myhost it works.(so public window server is not the problem) When I rlogin and do remotehost> open -NXHost myhost Apps/SomeApp.app it doesn't work. The error message is: open: unable to open file: Apps/SomeApp.app ( The file is definetely there. When I specify a file that is not there, e.g. remotehost> open -NXHost myhost Apps/NotThere.app it says 'can't stat file') Any kind soul out there that can explain what is happening / what I am doing wrong? I'm using black NS 3.2. Thanks in advance. Dirk.
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: tiff->eps -> NeXT via photoshop Can this be true ?!? Date: 17 Mar 1994 16:17:32 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2m9vqs$83b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CMBwHy.Gvp@moksha.uucp> <2lt2fd$2hh@machthenext.dannug.dk> <Rick.Reynolds-160394133653@198.211.35.16> Rick.Reynolds@3DO.com (Rick Reynolds) writes: >Another option is to bring the TIFF home to the NeXT and convert it to EPS >on the NeXT if you need to. On a related note, I have some interesting experience going the other way. The Mac based service bureau I use successfully handles NeXT TIFFs from Photoshop, but not if they've been JPEG'd first. Does the compression throw away information critical to Mac apps? I've also seccussfully generated (soundless) QuickTime movies by batch-converting the TIFFs in a .anim movie folder to PICT format and using a tool called PICTtoMovie on a Quadra. The odd thing is, i have to first open the PICTs as PICT files from weithin Photoshop, then save them out again, before they're recognized. >P.S. I firmly recommend PixelMagician for file conversions of any sort. I >used to use it at Publish Magazine to fix Mac-to-Mac and PC-to-Mac problems >all the time. I can't second this recommendation firmly enough. No one doing NS graphics should be without this app. It's a pretty good workaround for the missing JPEG chip on the NeXTdimension - you grab video using Capture.app or DVR.app then use PixelMagician to JPEG all the resulting TIFFs. It's a kludge, but it works, and gives you added flexiblity (such as batch TIFF-to-PICT conversions, as above.) Steve >Rick Reynolds >The 3DO Company >Rick.Reynolds@3DO.com >***My remarks do not necessarily reflect the opinions of my employer.*** -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: CeBIT Date: 17 Mar 1994 19:06:19 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Message-ID: <SOWA.94Mar17110619@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <1994Mar17.092227.21108@qb.rhein-main.de> In-reply-to: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de's message of Thu, 17 Mar 94 09:22:27 GMT >>>>> "vhs" == Volker Herminghaus-Shirai <vhs@qb.rhein-main.de> writes: vhs> I was at CeBIT yesterday and talked to B. Woebker, head of NeXT vhs> Germany. Here's what he said: vhs> * Pricing for NEXTSTEP will be *the same* on all architectures. Note the recent announcement that the price for the Developer package will be raised from $1995 to $2995. Ouch. -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: rs05@bunny.gte.com (Russ Sasnett) Subject: Re: CeBIT Message-ID: <CMtqx3.Fuo@gte.com> Followup-To: rs05@gte.com Sender: rs05@bunny (Russ Sasnett) Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA References: <1994Mar17.092227.21108@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 19:46:14 GMT > * NeXTTime will be out as a separate product on June 23, 1994. I think > this coincides with NWE. It will *not* be available for Motorola NeXTs, > since only the (very few) ND cubes out there have the ability to capture > image data and it doesn't make much sense without video capture. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I know you're just repeating information, but ... what if I want to render animations frame-by-frame into a NeXTTime file using Renderman? what if I want to do playback only on the receiving end of a video conference? what if I want to playback a video from a CD-ROM? what if I want to download QuickTime movies from the net and play or edit them? what if I want to convert movies between QuickTime and VFW? I could go on and on. NeXTTime is a great thing even without capture and shouldn't be denied to half the NeXT customer base. when I was at NWE last year I asked an engineer if NeXTTime would be released on black hw as well, and he said he didn't know, but that it was developed on black hardware so it definitely works. all of those demos from last NWE were captured off an ND cube connected to a LaserDisc. what happened to the old "one source tree" philosophy in NeXT's multi-platform development? NeXT shouldn't shut out us early believers. we can take it if we can't record. why would you disappoint and annoy customers who would gladly pay you money for even a portion of NeXTTime's capabilities? --Russ rs05@gte.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Subject: Re: CeBIT Message-ID: <1994Mar17.195359.20746@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. References: <1994Mar17.092227.21108@qb.rhein-main.de> <SOWA.94Mar17110619@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 19:53:59 GMT Erik C. Sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov) wrote: : >>>>> "vhs" == Volker Herminghaus-Shirai <vhs@qb.rhein-main.de> writes: : vhs> I was at CeBIT yesterday and talked to B. Woebker, head of NeXT : vhs> Germany. Here's what he said: : vhs> * Pricing for NEXTSTEP will be *the same* on all architectures. : Note the recent announcement that the price for the Developer package : will be raised from $1995 to $2995. : Ouch. I hope NeXT does the smart thing and increases the Registered Dev./Consultant discount appropriately. (75% sounds about right, for the OS & tools) At least it looks like the academic prices will stay the same (I hope). -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Subject: Re: How long to leave NeXTs on? Message-ID: <CMtqy1.4rs@fragile.termfrost.org> Organization: Terminal Frost, Springfield OH References: <ghU3WLG00iV4I0k0dG@andrew.cmu.edu> <2lqj1l$3s5@Times.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 19:46:49 GMT kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) writes: >Re: parking hard drive heads >What's the situation now? Do all HDs park on power-down now? Do you have >to do something special if you want to ship your computer? I've always >wondered what "Shut Down" on a Mac does too--does it park the HD? Yeah, almost every hard disk made in the last few years seems to park itself without intervention on the computer's part. Just listen for the "clunk" the drive makes when you kill the power to it. I've got 6 hard disks at my house (two IDE's and 4 SCSI's, 3 of which are on the NeXT) and ALL of them make a LOUD click when you turn them off as they merrily park themselves. Differing views certainly welcome, though.... -- Mike Andrews "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." root@fragile.termfrost.org [NeXTmail OK] - Primus kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown) Bassists do it deeper
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: Re: JANA address? References: <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> Organization: German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 16:22:55 GMT Message-ID: <1994Mar17.162255.361@proximus.north.de> In article <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, MCCOLLAM, DON <citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> wrote: >I believe the JANA folks still owe me a CD-ROM (from the 2 CD-ROM offer of >_several_ months (seasons?) ago. Will someone please post their e-mail >address. If you think it helps... CD-ROM A MONTH jay@jana.com 001-416-922 5597 (fax) 001-613-544 6020 20 Wade Ave, Suite 520 Toronto, Ontario M6H 4H3, Canada They do owe me the secon CD as well, btw... ;-) Gerhard.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pasqua@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: FYI: Adobe/Aldus Merger Message-ID: <1994Mar17.211556.29233@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 21:15:56 GMT Here is a press release regarding the Adobe/Aldus Merger. ======================================================= Adobe Systems and Aldus Corporation Announce Agreement To Merge Creators of Electronic Publishing Industry Join Forces to Seize Expanding Opportunities in the Creation and Communication of Digital Information Mountain View, Calif., (March 15, 1994)-- Adobe Systems Incorporated (NASDAQ: ADBE) and Aldus Corporation (NASDAQ: ALDC) today announced a definitive agreement to merge through an exchange of common stock of the two companies, creating a new half-billion dollar leader in software for authoring and publishing electronic information. Under the agreement, which has been approved by the boards of directors of both companies, Adobe will exchange 1.15 shares of its common stock for each share of Aldus common stock. Based on approximately 13.8 million shares outstanding of Aldus stock and the current Adobe stock price, the transaction will have a value of approximately $525 million. The merger is intended to qualify as a tax- free reorganization and a "pooling of interests" for accounting and financial purposes. "We are committed to achieving the cost savings necessary to make this transaction non-dilutive in the first full year of the combined operations," said John Warnock, Chairman and CEO, Adobe Systems Incorporated. The merger will be considered for approval by shareholders of both companies at separate meetings anticipated in July 1994 with the merger to be effective immediately following shareholders approval. Paul Brainerd, president, founder and major shareholder in Aldus has agreed to vote his shares in favor of the merger and has given Adobe an irrevocable proxy for all of his Aldus shares in connection with such vote. In addition, Aldus and Adobe have each agreed to the payment of a break-up fee if under certain circumstances the transaction should not be completed. The merger is subject to numerous conditions. "We believe our two companies, each with a rich history of inventing different aspects of the electronic publishing revolution, are simply much stronger together -- both technologically and financially -- than we would be by remaining separate," said John Warnock. "Combined, the two companies offer products that address every aspect of information authoring and representation, and in the future, can draw from that expertise to pioneer the process and provide the tools required to help our customers move from today's paper-based information infrastructure to tomorrow's digital world." "The challenges of the competitive landscape and the breadth of new market opportunities offered by the digital revolution can be much more effectively met by merging our companies than by either company individually," said Chuck Geschke, president and COO, Adobe Systems Incorporated. "The combined company offers tremendous opportunity for more competitive marketing, higher levels of customer service and better responsiveness to customers' evolving needs." Paul Brainerd said the merger offers both short and long term benefits because of the broad array and depth of products that the companies can now market and distribute together, as well as the tremendous technological synergy that exists between the two companies for the development of future products. "Together, Adobe and Aldus can generate tremendous momentum to meet customer requirements. The new company will have the largest, most respected typeface library, the world's top-selling page layout solution, and best-of-breed illustration, photo-editing, presentation, image retrieval and video-production applications. These technologies are the foundation for today's most powerful publishing and authoring solutions and tomorrow's tools for creating and distributing information digitally." Brainerd, Warnock and Geschke are widely recognized in the software industry for having created the desktop printing and electronic publishing phenomena, which has grown into a $2 billion industry since the early 1980s. Adobe, founded in 1982, provided the first open standard for representing the printed document, PostScript, and the technology to support that standard. Brainerd, who founded Aldus in 1984, coined the term "desktop publishing" and created the top selling PageMaker software system that allows visually-rich documents to be created on personal computers. Under terms of the merger agreement, Warnock, 53, will become chairman and CEO of the new company with headquarters in Mountain View, CA. Charles Geschke, 54, president of Adobe, will retain the same position in the new company. Brainerd, 46, and another current member of Aldus' board, will become members of the Board of Directors of the new company once the merger is complete. The structure of the merged company will consist of operating divisions including Systems Products, Application Products, and Consumer Products. Facilities will be maintained in both Mountain View, CA and Seattle, WA. Current plans call for the new company to continue to market and support all major products of both companies. Future corporate identity plans will be determined when the merger is final. Each company has sales and distribution operations outside of the United States. In Europe, Adobe is headquartered in Amsterdam and Aldus is based in Edinburgh. Both Aldus and Adobe maintain Pacific Rim operations in Tokyo and other major cities. On a combined basis, the companies had revenues last year of $520 million and more than 2,100 employees located throughout the world. For fiscal 1993, Adobe reported revenues of $313 million and net income of $57 million, while Aldus reported total revenues of approximately $207 million and net income of $9.5 million. Adobe has approximately 45.7 million shares outstanding, and Aldus has approximately 13.8 million shares outstanding. Adobe develops, markets and supports computer software products and technologies that enable users to create, display, print and communicate electronic documents and manipulate digital content to moving pictures and sound. The company licenses its technology to major computer and publishing suppliers, and markets a line of type and application software products worldwide. Aldus creates computer software solutions that help people throughout the world effectively communicate information and ideas. The company focuses on three main lines of business: applications for the professional publishing, prepress and video markets; applications for the consumer market; and applications for the emerging interactive publishing market. # # # For More Information Please Contact: Linda Prosser Adobe Systems Incorporated (415) 962-3840 or Brad Stevens Aldus Corporation (206)628-2361
From: croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Using PC MIDI hardware from SoftPC Date: 18 Mar 1994 00:12:17 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <2marl1$kq4@cs.ubc.ca> Has anyone tried to access "non-NEXTSTEP" hardware from SoftPC? What I'd like to do is access my MIDI/SMPTE card (MQX-32M) from my music sequencer (Cubase/Windows), under SoftPC? Since (I assume) that NEXTSTEP won't even know about this card, SoftPC should be able to address it without conflicts. Is there any way to install Windows drivers for hardware that NEXTSTEP doesn't know about? Or am I completely out to lunch for thinking I can use a UNIX system for timing-critical sequencing in the first place? (Much less a PC emulator on a UNIX system!) -- Chris Roehrig (croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca) Invertebrate Learning Group, University of British Columbia, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ui816@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Thomas E. Daronatsy) Subject: ircam music Message-ID: <CMu3F4.DxA@suncad.camosun.bc.ca> Sender: news@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (USENET News System) Organization: The Victoria Freenet Association (VIFA), Victoria, B.C., Canada Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 00:16:15 GMT Anyone know where i can get some information about IRCAM hardware/software for the NeXT? Thanks, Tom -- Tom Daronatsy (ui816)
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 01:00:57 PST Message-ID: <1994Mar17.090057.1455@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pentium Optimizations for NSI References: <CEDMAN.94Mar14113059@capitalist.princeton.edu> From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) >> I'm interested in this particularly in regard to the operating >> system itself. Is NSI 3.2 running on a Pentium as fast as it >> could be? > Considering when NS 3.2 was released and how long NeXT > optimized its m68k floating point code for 68030s rather > than 68040s, I seriously doubt it. > Lack of floating point in the 030 was a hardware > limitation that would cause errors if 040 code was used. > The Pentium optimizations are a little different, since > it is a matter of reordering the instructions. The result > will still run on a 486, and reportedly improves the 486 > performance as well (though not as much as the Pentium). --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Message-ID: <1994Mar18.005036.4648@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 00:50:36 GMT In article <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes: >There is ALREADY an appropriate place to discuss Intel hardware- >specific issues: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware--which itself has >EIGHT subgroups. (There are also already appropriate places to >discuss PA-RISC and SPARC hardware issues.) Hear, hear! The proposal is flawed. I'm disappointed that the proponents completely ignored my alternate suggestions, particularly the idea of following the lead of csiph.* and factoring by peripheral rather than CPU type. I'm voting against, but the ayes seem to be in abundance. Oh well, when you aye voters win, have patience with us poor folk who will be forced to crosspost to several different subgroups (3 now, more later, not even counting csiph.*) to ask a question about a common peripheral. Yeah, yeah, cross-posting doesn't bother you, but I get routinely flamed every time I do it, and I only do it when I'm forced to by circumstances. Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Jerry KUCH) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NeXTStep Pricing (WAS Re: CeBIT) Date: 18 Mar 1994 02:26:35 GMT Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Message-ID: <2mb3gr$90c@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> References: <1994Mar17.092227.21108@qb.rhein-main.de> <SOWA.94Mar17110619@amdew.llnl.gov> In article <SOWA.94Mar17110619@amdew.llnl.gov>, Erik C. Sowa <sowa@amdew.llnl.gov> wrote: >>>>>> "vhs" == Volker Herminghaus-Shirai <vhs@qb.rhein-main.de> writes: > >vhs> I was at CeBIT yesterday and talked to B. Woebker, head of NeXT >vhs> Germany. Here's what he said: > >vhs> * Pricing for NEXTSTEP will be *the same* on all architectures. > >Note the recent announcement that the price for the Developer package >will be raised from $1995 to $2995. So what is the current pricing scheme for NeXTStep for Intel and what is included in the various packages? In particular, what would the full package (with all development tools, etc.) cost at student pricing? Would it include the Radical Eye TeX package? -- Jerry Kuch jerry@cs.mcgill.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Be careful with your skiing---people get killed you know." --David Ford
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ircam music Date: 18 Mar 1994 04:40:28 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2mbbbs$klj@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CMu3F4.DxA@suncad.camosun.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-User: indy ui816@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Thomas E. Daronatsy) writes: >Anyone know where i can get some information about IRCAM hardware/software >for the NeXT? > Yup! Contact Ariel Corp. at ariel@ariel.com, (908) 249-2900. Do it fast, though, as they're discontinuing NeXT-related hardware (for obvious reasons) and they only have enough parts for 10 more IRCAM boards. Regards, Steve -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: CeBIT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 18 Mar 1994 04:38:25 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Message-ID: <2mbb81$p4k@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <1994Mar17.092227.21108@qb.rhein-main.de> Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) wrote: : * The hp port is quite stable; I played around with it for over an hour, : demonstrating WriteUp, Diagram, Concurrence, Services, and Drag-And-Drop : to customers who were watching in awe. Nothing unexpected happened, except : that when snarf'n barfing from Webster into an Edit-RTF file, the only thing : that got pasted was a NeXT workspace Icon 8~| This happens on NS/I 3.2 as well. Wonder if they (Webster) don't want you to (easily) copy their pictures. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) Subject: Transys (SLIP) stopped working!?! Message-ID: <1994Mar17.203033.12108@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:30:33 GMT Hi. I used Transys very heavily for about 3 weeks, then took a 2 week break. Now, the scripts I used succesfully for 3 weeks are not working... I keep getting a "recv timeout error" after a connection has been made to the SLIP server, while the logon negotiation is taking place... I get through the login (username), so modem is making a connection, but can't get beyond the password. There has been no change on the server (in terms of prompts) and there has been no change in my system configuration. And, I'm continuing to use the Trumpet SLIP software from my DOS/Windows partition, also without changes... Any body else ever have this problem? ...where Transys is working and then it's not, with no discernable configuration changes to adjust to? Thanks for any insights. Phil Menos -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization In-Reply-To: caro@adobe.com's message of Fri, 18 Mar 1994 00:50:36 GMT To: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> <1994Mar18.005036.4648@adobe.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 03:26:00 GMT In article <1994Mar18.005036.4648@adobe.com> caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) writes: Hear, hear! The proposal is flawed. I'm disappointed that the proponents completely ignored my alternate suggestions, particularly the idea of following the lead of csiph.* and factoring by peripheral rather than CPU type. I'm voting against, but the ayes seem to be in abundance. Oh well, when you aye voters win, have patience with us poor folk who will be forced to crosspost to several different subgroups (3 now, more later, not even counting csiph.*) to ask a question about a common peripheral. Yeah, yeah, cross-posting doesn't bother you, but I get routinely flamed every time I do it, and I only do it when I'm forced to by circumstances. Yes, in that case you would be flamed for not reading the proposal and if I have to do it myself -- getting out of the habit anyway in the last few years. The charter explicitly states and I quote: "comp.sys.next.hardware.misc Peripherals and miscellaneous Hardware (renamed from comp.sys.next.hardware) NeXTstep related hardware questions which belong in none or all of the existing processor specific groups belong in comp.sys.next.hardware.misc. Appropriate topics include the discussion of SCSI devices, modems and printers as related to NeXTstep, any topic relating to NeXTstep on new processors for which no processor specific group has yet been created, and many more. [...] Crossposts between any of these three groups are discouraged. A subject appropriate for one of the processor specific newsgroups is by definition inappropriate for the .misc group, and a question which could go to both of them generally belongs in neither but only in the .misc group. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Pentium Optimizations for NSI In-Reply-To: pkron@corona.com's message of Thu, 17 Mar 1994 01:00:57 PST To: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar17224051@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.94Mar14113059@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1994Mar17.090057.1455@corona.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 03:40:51 GMT In article <1994Mar17.090057.1455@corona.com> pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) >> I'm interested in this particularly in regard to the operating >> system itself. Is NSI 3.2 running on a Pentium as fast as it >> could be? > Considering when NS 3.2 was released and how long NeXT > optimized its m68k floating point code for 68030s rather > than 68040s, I seriously doubt it. Lack of floating point in the 030 was a hardware limitation that would cause errors if 040 code was used. The Pentium optimizations are a little different, since it is a matter of reordering the instructions. The result will still run on a 486, and reportedly improves the 486 performance as well (though not as much as the Pentium). I think either your or my memory of the 68030/40 floating point differences is faulty. As I recall, the 68030/68881 combination supported a number of transcendent functions in hardware which the 68040 does not. Using those x30 instructions on a x40 system would cause a kernel trap which emulates the functions in hardware. While in principle the x40 software emulation could be as fast as the x30 hardware, the context switch to the kernel has so much overhead that the x30 becomes noticeably faster than the x40 on these operations. Making the compiler always generate the emulation code inline, would not break anything on either the x30 or the x40. The only difference would be that the operations would become significantly faster on the x40 and significantly slower on the x30. If I'm in error, please correct me. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: JANA address? Message-ID: <CMsG76.2oL@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 02:57:06 GMT In article <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (MCCOLLAM, DON) writes: #I believe the JANA folks still owe me a CD-ROM (from the 2 CD-ROM offer of #_several_ months (seasons?) ago. Will someone please post their e-mail #address. #Thanks. #Don McCollam #mccollam@snow.ccit.arizona.edu FUCK JANA!!!! Excuse the French but they owe me 2 discs. I haven't seen them. I paid and got nothing. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: Black Hardware Support Message-ID: <CMuG2s.Hqx@ucdavis.edu> Summary: Update on Hardware Support - Black Hardware Keywords: hardware support purchase repair exchange FYI places to purchase/exchange/repair NeXT Black Hardware. Sender: David Bradford Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 04:49:40 GMT 1) Bell Atlantic 1-800-499-NEXT (6398) 2) Pixelated Technologies 1-800-749-3563 & 310-459-6831 3) Dancing Bear Enterprizes 303 479-9101 Information from infobot@dancingbear.com. Use <index> or <catalog> as the subject for document list or a catalog. 4) Samuel M. Goldberger/smg@orb.com Spherical Solutions 47 Myrtle Avenue Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-383-2919--voice 415-381-9556--fax To keep those users interested in maintaining/purchasing/exchanging their black hardware well informed, could anyone with experiences with the above companies please post ( or reply to me ) any information that they have. If there are there any other companies/individuals selling/exchanging/repairing NeXT black hardware, please post and send me there phone/address. Thanks, David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu Please post the replies. Thanks for input from other motorola fans.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ericw@its.com (Eric Wespestad) Subject: Turning off "Do you really want to compress..." panel in the workspace Message-ID: <1994Mar15.202323.23141@its.com> Sender: usenet@its.com Organization: Information Technology Solutions Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 20:23:23 GMT Howdy, Does anyone know how to disable the panel that always pops up when you ask to File/Compress a file or files in the Workspace? I hate this panel! It drives me nuts! PLEASE, someone tell me there is a dwrite to turn this off. Thanks in advance, Eric Wespestad.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) Subject: IRCAM (french electronic music research group) Message-ID: <CMrsH0.5t5@mtkgc.com> Sender: news@mtkgc.com Organization: Sakura Global Capital, NYC Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 18:24:36 GMT I was just wondering if any of the members of this group are listening, would they be willing to post a follow up with the status of the groups NS software and hardware. Eg, are they moving over to intel platforms, are they going to distribute any of the software they have produced, etc. If anyone has any info, I would appreciate words from all sources. --thanks, RS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Transys (SLIP) stopped working!?! Message-ID: <1994Mar18.090417.7104@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <1994Mar17.203033.12108@Princeton.EDU> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 09:04:17 GMT In article <1994Mar17.203033.12108@Princeton.EDU> gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) writes: > Hi. I used Transys very heavily for about 3 weeks, then took a 2 > week break. Now, the scripts I used succesfully for 3 weeks are not > working... I keep getting a "recv timeout error" after a connection > has been made to the SLIP server, while the logon negotiation is > taking place... I get through the login (username), so modem is > making a connection, but can't get beyond the password. There has > been no change on the server (in terms of prompts) and there has been > no change in my system configuration. And, I'm continuing to use the > Trumpet SLIP software from my DOS/Windows partition, also without > changes... I see that kind of error when I have a parity mismatch with the remote host. Maybe nothing has changed on your system, but what about the other end? Try inserting 'parity none' in your dialling script. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Lauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA address? Date: 17 Mar 1994 08:34:41 GMT Organization: University of Tuebingen Distribution: world Message-ID: <2m94n1$jb8@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> In article 16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu, citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (MCCOLLAM, DON) writes: >I believe the JANA folks still owe me a CD-ROM (from the 2 CD-ROM offer of >_several_ months (seasons?) ago. Will someone please post their e-mail >address. It _was_ jay@jana.com, although I'm sure it has changed and I can't find it right now :-( I don't want to start this JANA discussion again, but I'm also waiting for the second CD - which was scheduled for the end of january. Sigh. Bye, Harald --- Harald Lauer Those health nuts will look Wilhelm-Schickard Institut fuer Informatik stupid someday, lying in Universitaet Tuebingen hospital dying of nothing. Sand 13, 72076 Tuebingen, Germany lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de
From: altadm@nuri.inria.fr (administrateur altair) Newsgroups: comp.databases.object,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Poet or other OODB on top of NEXTSTEP Date: 18 Mar 1994 09:17:00 GMT Organization: INO2 Technology, VersaillesFrance. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mbric$lir@news-rocq.inria.fr> References: <1994Mar17.095720.1256@icare.fdn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit O2 is available on NextStep. O2 is the OODBMS from O2Technology Contact: O2 Technology 7, rue du parc de Clagny 78035 Versailles Cedex France Tel 33 (1) 30 84 77 77 Fax 33 (1) 30 84 77 90 North American Office O2 Technology, Inc. 2685 Marine Vay - Suite 1220 Mountain View - Ca 94043 Usa Phone 415 969 2333 Fax 415 964 20 27 Best rgards
Newsgroups: comp.databases.object,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de (Jonathan Robie) Subject: Re: Poet or other OODB on top of NEXTSTEP Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 12:28:05 GMT Message-ID: <TDZMBO3J@netmbx.netmbx.de> References: <1994Mar17.095720.1256@icare.fdn.org> <2m9s1c$m7j@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) writes: >In article <1994Mar17.095720.1256@icare.fdn.org>, >Bruno Brottier <b_brottier@icare.fdn.org> wrote: >>Hi netters ! >> >>Do anybody have any infos about Poet on NEXTSTEP, or any other OODB on >>NEXTSTEP. A friend of mine wants to build an app on NEXTSTEP, and do not >>want to use any RDB. Do you have any pointers/experiences/thought ? >> >>Cheers >> >>BB Yes, POET is available for the NeXT. In fact, we use the NeXT for a lot of our internal development. Most of our developers have a Windows computer and a NeXT or a Sun on their desk. Jonathan -- Jonathan Robie BKS Software Entwicklungs GmbH phone: +49 30 / 342 3066 Guericke Str. 27 fax: +49 30 / 342 8413 1000 Berlin 10 email: jonathan@bks.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) Subject: Gateway 2000 Pentium and NeXTstep Message-ID: <CMuBtt.2xG@mcs.anl.gov> Sender: usenet@mcs.anl.gov Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 03:17:51 GMT I just got a 66 MHz Gateway pentium machine plunked on my desk and am trying to figure out if it will be useful to me. Anyone had any luck running one with the PCI ATI video card that this thing ships with? I have a 1.2 GB SCSI Segate drive with an Adaptec 1542C controller, so the video card is my real concern. Does 3.2, either out of the box or with extra drivers from NeXT, work with this machine? Thanks for your help, Peter -- Peter A. Korp Assistant Scientist Argonne National Laboratory korp@eid.anl.gov
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ircam music Date: 18 Mar 1994 15:26:37 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Message-ID: <2mch7d$bih@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <CMu3F4.DxA@suncad.camosun.bc.ca> In article <CMu3F4.DxA@suncad.camosun.bc.ca>, Thomas E. Daronatsy <ui816@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA> wrote: >Anyone know where i can get some information about IRCAM hardware/software >for the NeXT? I don't know if he's still the director (probably is), but try Michel Fingerhut, mf@ircam.ircam.fr. -- [Jess Anderson % anderson@doit.wisc.edu % Network Engineering Technology Group] [Systems Engineering Dept % Div of Information Technology % Univ of Wisconsin] [Room 3130 % 1210 West Dayton Street % Madison WI 53706 % Phone 608/262-5888] [---------------> Without feeling there's no reason to live. <----------------]
From: wuj9@ac.wfu.edu (joe wu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where to get C++ that supports templates on NS? Date: 18 Mar 1994 15:11:53 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Message-ID: <2mcgbp$fla@quad.wfunet.wfu.edu> Keywords: C++ w/ template - where to get? Please send info to [wuj9@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu] Where can I find a version of C++ that will work with the existing NeXT development package that supports templates and other newer features available on C++?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sbender@harmony.digex.net Subject: Re: open -NXHost : help needed! Message-ID: <1994Mar18.185307.1634@almserv.uucp> Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Harmony Data Systems References: <2m9sls$olh@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 18:53:07 GMT In article <2m9sls$olh@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de (Dirk Balfanz) writes: > When I locally do > myhost> open Apps/SomeApp.app > it works. When I rlogin and do > remotehost> Apps/SomeApp.app/SomeApp -NXHost myhost > it works.(so public window server is not the problem) When I rlogin and do > remotehost> open -NXHost myhost Apps/SomeApp.app > it doesn't work. The error message is: > > open: unable to open file: Apps/SomeApp.app > Dirk, Watch out for automounts. If the applications directory is not available on the remote machine, the application will not run. If you using the automounter the directory names may be different. Try using the full pathname or make sure that the apps directory is mounted on the remote machine. The open command executes the application on your host (the host on the command line). When you execute "MyApp.app/Myapp -NXHost myhost" NeXT executes the application on the remote host. Make sense? Scott Bender Harmony Data Systems Scott_Bender@harmony.digex.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Message-ID: <1994Mar18.192309.14460@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> <1994Mar18.005036.4648@adobe.com> <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 19:23:09 GMT In article <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >Yes, in that case you would be flamed for not reading the proposal and I have studied the proposal in detail now, and I see no reason to change my position. >The charter explicitly states and I quote: > >"comp.sys.next.hardware.misc Peripherals and miscellaneous Hardware >(renamed from comp.sys.next.hardware) > >NeXTstep related hardware questions which belong in none or all of the >existing processor specific groups belong in comp.sys.next.hardware.misc. >Appropriate topics include the discussion of SCSI devices, modems and >printers as related to NeXTstep, any topic relating to NeXTstep on new >processors for which no processor specific group has yet been created, and >many more. > >[...] > >Crossposts between any of these three groups are discouraged. A subject >appropriate for one of the processor specific newsgroups is by definition >inappropriate for the .misc group, and a question which could go to both of >them generally belongs in neither but only in the .misc group. Ah, if only the world were so perfect. How do you plan to force everyone to subscribe to *.misc, so that I don't have to cross-post? Personally, I tend to AVOID *.misc groups, when more specific groups are available. I can't be unique in this. In reality, I anticipate the following to occur: 1) The guy who has the answer to my general SCSI Tape question only reads *.m68k because he can't stand all the yammer in *.misc about vaporware NS platforms. Do I take the risk of missing him by only posting to .misc? Of course not. 2) The folks on comp.sys.ibm.pc.storage know plenty about disk drives. The information there is generally more accurate and timely than here. Will all of those folks now subscribe to csnh.misc? Of course not. I'm forced to cross-post between the two hierarchies. This isn't different from what I have to do today, but see #1 above -- there are now more places where I have to cross-post. 3) I have a question about hardware that I need to work on both black and white platforms. Which group do I post to? Clearly, all of them! Finally, suppose NEXTSTEP is successful, and the 1e06 units are in place and growing. Traffic in *.misc becomes double what csn.hardware is today. Now what? A division by peripheral would be desirable, but that is now an unpleasant option due to the CPU based hierarchy. Do we duplicate *.storage, *.comm, *.video, etc. under each CPU type? One of the biggest complaints I have about the current proposal is that it isn't scalable to the future. A couple of procedural nits: * A final draft of the voting proposal should have been circulated during the RFD. Ideally, advocacy for/against should happen during the RFD, not the CFV. I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall that advocacy for the proposals by the proponents during the CFV phase has been used as grounds to throw out the results of the vote on previous occasions in other groups. * There should only be ONE proposal for the 1 name change and 2 creations combined, not three separate proposals. What happens if 1 or 2 of the proposals fails to get enough YES votes? You're left with a broken hierarchy! Again, this problem would have been avoided with a review of a final draft during the RFD. If a final draft was circulated, I do apologize. It's possible that it was lost or purged from my site before I could see it. Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
From: lloyd@goldhost.lscf.ucsb.edu (Lloyd Goldwasser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Date: 18 Mar 1994 19:58:16 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Message-ID: <2md14o$k2l@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> References: <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> In article <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article... : > >> ... have patience with us poor folk who will be >> forced to crosspost to several different subgroups (3 now, >> more later, not even counting csiph.*) to ask a question about a >> common peripheral. > > ... hardware questions which belong in...all of the existing > processor specific groups belong in comp.sys.next.hardware.misc. > A question which could go to both of them generally belongs in > neither but only in the .misc group. I wonder whether a more descriptive name might reduce confusion and crossposts. c.s.n.h.misc sounds like leftovers and scraps; something like c.s.n.h.general sounds more like what you intend. Lloyd Goldwasser goldwass@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where to get C++ that supports templates on NS? Date: 18 Mar 1994 19:57:16 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2md12s$1ct@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2mcgbp$fla@quad.wfunet.wfu.edu> Keywords: C++ w/ template - where to get? wuj9@ac.wfu.edu (joe wu) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >Please send info to [wuj9@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu] >Where can I find a version of C++ that will work with the existing NeXT >development package that supports templates and other newer features >available on C++? > > You can't can you? If you are doing non-NeXT development in C++ go grab gnu's release from prep.ai.mit.edu. If you want latest C++ with NeXt and the AppKit you have to convince NeXT to improve their current C++ support... -- "You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant) "No, what?" "Nothing" (Charade, 1963) (ASCII for text only messages)
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 15:26:35 EST From: <TM8025A@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <94077.152635TM8025A@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Lots O' questions Here are a bunch of questions I would greatly appreciate answers to. 1. What are the dwrite commands to get the loginwindow bouncing? 2. How do you set up filesize and printing accounting? 3. Our network is not recognizing ntp. The machines are set up to use it but it is not working. The local times had to be set and pressing "synchronise" in preferences does not work. 4. Three programs called "sessrg,MOTD and nvram" are running on the system. These were installed by a person that left without telling us exactly what they did. I know MOTD is message of the day but do not know anything about its configuration. 5. What are the Local0-Local9 authlog fields represent? Can they be changed? How? 6. Has anyone had much luck with the tcpd wrappers from cert? Thank you very much in advance. Plese send any replies to tm8025a@american.edu NeXT-Mail acceptable.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 16:17:57 EST From: <TM8025A@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <94077.161758TM8025A@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Forgot one last question I forgot my last question when I posted last time--Sorry 7. Does anyone know of a map3270 for ADB keyboards? If you could send it to me I would be very happy. Thanks again for any responds to this or my last post of questions. Please send replies to tm8025a@american.edu NeXTMail taken.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Message-ID: <1994Mar19.034126.4030@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1994Mar18.005036.4648@adobe.com> <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1994Mar18.192309.14460@adobe.com> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 03:41:26 GMT I want to clear up a few points, and then I'll shut up. Carl Edman makes several good points in his rebuttal, and I'm willing to concede those that relate to my own evident ignorance. I'm willing to take the proponent's words for it that the new group guidelines have been followed in both spirit and letter. I don't know how I could have missed the final draft proposal, 2nd RFD, and 100's of responses. I evidentally failed to receive the CFV, so anything is possible. I've read the proposal. I never refused to read it. I even claim to understand it. I do not condone cross-posting to every newsgroup in the universe. On the other hand, I do believe that some cross-posting is useful. I acknowledge that there are those that find cross-posts a pain. Carl and the charter tell me not to cross-post, but neither give me an adequate alternative. I'm asked to take on faith that enough people will read .misc to make this a non-issue. I'm unconvinced. I get no benefit whatsoever from the proposed changes. I use both black and white hardware daily. I may even use SPARC and PA-RISC hardware in the future. I'll end up reading all subgroups anyway. However, I acknowledge that there are people who believe they will benefit from the proposed split. I don't find the traffic on csn.h unmanageable, but clearly some people do. When traffic does increase to an unmanageable level for me, and hopefully it will if NEXTSTEP is successful, I will suggest that we follow the lead set by comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware and add peripheral specific subgroups. I do concede that, in addition to peripherals, there is merit to partitioning by "CPU" -- though I wish the prefix csnh.system. were added to the m68k and i386, to make it clear that the topic area is systems based on the chip, not the chip architecture itself. I still maintain that this is premature, however. In the final analysis, I will not be seriously discommoded if the proposal wins. Having low expectations, I will not be disappointed. It's those of you who have high expectations for reduced traffic and increased value who are likely to be disappointed. Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: risinger@netcom9.netcom.com (James A. Risinger) Subject: GDB 4.7 for m68k NeXT Message-ID: <RISINGER.94Mar18165932@netcom9.netcom.com> Sender: risinger@netcom.com (James A. Risinger) Organization: NETCOM On-line services Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 00:59:31 GMT I am desperately seeking a version of GDB 4.7 or above for NS 3.0 on Motorola. I got the distribution from prep.ai.mit.edu, but it does not have a configuration option for NS. I spoke with someone from Cygnus, and they indicated that NeXT probably hacked up the configuration for GDB and didn't put it back in the FSF distribution. So, if anyone has the configuration for GDB, could you please contact me and let me know where I can get it from. If all else fails, could someone who has GDB 4.7 or greater mail me a gzip'ed uuencoded copy of the exe? I know that would be a pain, but I really need a more current version of GDB and am not very interested in hacking GDB to get it to read Mach-O files. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, James A. Risinger risinger@netcom.com
From: michael@magic (Michael Sanderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep Pricing (WAS Re: CeBIT) Date: 19 Mar 1994 01:19:15 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mdjuj$1ag@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <2mb3gr$90c@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> In article <2mb3gr$90c@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Jerry KUCH) writes: > In article <SOWA.94Mar17110619@amdew.llnl.gov>, [ chomp ] > So what is the current pricing scheme for NeXTStep for Intel and what > is included in the various packages? In particular, what would the > full package (with all development tools, etc.) cost at student > pricing? Would it include the Radical Eye TeX package? > Oh Oh, student pricing ... argh how that makes me wish I'd stayed in school! While I love the idea of giving discounts to students (without which I wouldn't be typing on a mono-slab now :), I don't understand the reasoning behind limiting it to _only_ students. I don't use my slab to create commercial apps, and it's not likely I ever will, in fact I don't use any of the software for any kind of commercial venture. But I do like to hack around a bit, and would like to be able to continue to do so without having to sell the farm so to speak. Why can't the student pricing scheme be elevated to the next (pun intended) level, where individuals such as myself can enjoy reasonably priced software at home. I realize that students are able to prove that they are such, and this makes the accounting a lot easier, but couldn't we sign some agreement stating that we would not re-sell any package, or use it for profit, or some such thing? Whew, glad I got that off my chest. -Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: Operating NeXTStation Headlessly Message-ID: <CMw97q.8vw@ucdavis.edu> Keywords: Headless Slab Operation Sender: David Bradford Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 04:16:38 GMT I have two NeXTStations networked and I would like tho know if there is software/hardware out there to operate one or more slabs headless - without monitor or keyboard. I figure that the biggest problem is turning the machine on. I figure it will probably boot off of the net if I set it up as a diskless client. Then I could either remotely login or "tip" over via the serial ports. Does anyone have any experience with this? Any suggestions or help will be much appreciated. David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu P.S. Reason: Save electricty while doing PVM code development.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rscott@netcom.com (Robert S. Scott) Subject: Re: ircam music Message-ID: <rscottCMwCC4.9Gn@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <CMu3F4.DxA@suncad.camosun.bc.ca> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 05:24:04 GMT In article <CMu3F4.DxA@suncad.camosun.bc.ca> ui816@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Thomas E. Daronatsy) writes: > >Anyone know where i can get some information about IRCAM hardware/software >for the NeXT? > >Thanks, > >Tom >-- >Tom Daronatsy (ui816) ftp.ircam.fr anonymous email as password or IRCAM 1, Place Stravinsky F-75004 Paris France Good Luck, Charles Dvorak
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization In-Reply-To: caro@adobe.com's message of Fri, 18 Mar 1994 19:23:09 GMT To: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar18173544@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> <1994Mar18.005036.4648@adobe.com> <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1994Mar18.192309.14460@adobe.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 22:35:43 GMT In article <1994Mar18.192309.14460@adobe.com> caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) writes: In article <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >The charter explicitly states and I quote: > >"comp.sys.next.hardware.misc Peripherals and miscellaneous Hardware >(renamed from comp.sys.next.hardware) > >NeXTstep related hardware questions which belong in none or all of the >existing processor specific groups belong in comp.sys.next.hardware.misc. >Appropriate topics include the discussion of SCSI devices, modems and >printers as related to NeXTstep, any topic relating to NeXTstep on new >processors for which no processor specific group has yet been created, and >many more. > >[...] > >Crossposts between any of these three groups are discouraged. A subject >appropriate for one of the processor specific newsgroups is by definition >inappropriate for the .misc group, and a question which could go to both of >them generally belongs in neither but only in the .misc group. Ah, if only the world were so perfect. How do you plan to force everyone to subscribe to *.misc, so that I don't have to cross-post? You can't force anybody to subscribe to any newsgroup -- all you can do is post to the newsgroup which is most appropriate according to its charter. The philosophy which says that one should post to whatever group one feels will give the best response is the one which condones the posting of "MAKE.MONEY.FAST" to every group in the net. Personally, I tend to AVOID *.misc groups, when more specific groups are available. I can't be unique in this. For an NS related SCSI tape question there is no more specific group. The charter (which as you admit you hadn't even read when you made your original comments) is absolutely unambiguous. In reality, I anticipate the following to occur: 1) The guy who has the answer to my general SCSI Tape question only reads *.m68k because he can't stand all the yammer in *.misc about vaporware NS platforms. Do I take the risk of missing him by only posting to .misc? Of course not. And what if he only reads alt.sex because he really doesn't care about NS ? Do you only post there in that case ? Realistically, your hypothetical guy is considerably more likely to put up with reading the m68k specific stuff in csnh.m68k and the "yammer" about vaporware platforms in csnh.misc than he is to read csnh as it is today which contains all of the above _plus_ i386 specific stuff. 2) The folks on comp.sys.ibm.pc.storage know plenty about disk drives. The information there is generally more accurate and timely than here. Will all of those folks now subscribe to csnh.misc? Of course not. I'm forced to cross-post between the two hierarchies. This isn't different from what I have to do today, but see #1 above -- there are now more places where I have to cross-post. So you admit that your (2) doesn't add anything beyond the faulty (1) ? Very well, that spares me the trouble of demonstrating. 3) I have a question about hardware that I need to work on both black and white platforms. Which group do I post to? Clearly, all of them! No. The proposal has been posted to n.a.newgroups, comp.sys.next.hardware and comp.sys.next.misc. I've sent you a complete copy privately. Then I posted the relevant excerpt in a reply to one of your posts and mailed you a copy in addition. If after all this you still categorical refuse to read it, it is obviously beyond my power to make you. Finally, suppose NEXTSTEP is successful, and the 1e06 units are in place and growing. Traffic in *.misc becomes double what csn.hardware is today. Now what? Currently there are about 80k NS machines. NeXT business plans call for another 90k-100k this year. Let's assume NeXTs business grows at 100% annually -- a rate which should keep Steve more than happy. Then we'll reach 1e6 units in close to four years. If no additional reorganization should be necessary before that time for other reasons, this split would be spectacularly successful. A division by peripheral would be desirable, but that is now an unpleasant option due to the CPU based hierarchy. Do we duplicate *.storage, *.comm, *.video, etc. under each CPU type? One of the biggest complaints I have about the current proposal is that it isn't scalable to the future. A peripheral based hierarchy is essentially useless for the reduction of the load on each news reader. Almost every NS user has a hard disk, some kind of video facility, a monitor, sound capability, a CPU a.s.o. So every reader who wants to keep up to date has to read all the groups and nothing is gained. On the other hand, most NS users only have one CPU type and are not interested in information specific to the other types. Splitting the hardware groups along system type lines drastically reduces the time every reader needs to spend to find all the information applicable to him. A couple of procedural nits: * A final draft of the voting proposal should have been circulated during the RFD. Ideally, advocacy for/against should happen during the RFD, not the CFV. I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall that advocacy for the proposals by the proponents during the CFV phase has been used as grounds to throw out the results of the vote on previous occasions in other groups. A proposal identical to the one currently being voted upon was suggested by me ten months ago on May 18 1993 in these groups. Since then several hundred posts have been made on this subject. Over a month ago, Stephan Trebels who is responsible for the current vote, posted an RFD to all the appropriate groups. A few weeks later he posted a 2nd RFD. Only after following the procedure perfectly, was a CFVs posted. During all that time we discussed the proposal in detail with countless interested parties on the net. However we didn't hear from you until after the CFV was originally posted. As for the possible invalidity of the vote, all I can ask is, does the term sci.aquaria ring any bells ? * There should only be ONE proposal for the 1 name change and 2 creations combined, not three separate proposals. What happens if 1 or 2 of the proposals fails to get enough YES votes? You're left with a broken hierarchy! Again, this problem would have been avoided with a review of a final draft during the RFD. Over the years this general matter has been discussed exhaustively among those interested in the governance (such as it is) of the net. The consensus (or as close as it is possible to get to one on the net) is that voters need to be given the opportunity to vote on each action separately to prevent proposers from "carrying" unpopular groups by attaching them to the same proposal as popular groups. Yes, that opens up the possibility of "broken" hierarchies. Fortunately voters are smart enough in their voting to have prevented such hierarchies from occurring so far. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization In-Reply-To: lloyd@goldhost.lscf.ucsb.edu's message of 18 Mar 1994 19:58:16 GMT To: lloyd@goldhost.lscf.ucsb.edu (Lloyd Goldwasser) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar18174226@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2md14o$k2l@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 22:42:26 GMT In article <2md14o$k2l@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> lloyd@goldhost.lscf.ucsb.edu (Lloyd Goldwasser) writes: In article <CEDMAN.94Mar17222600@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article... : > >> ... have patience with us poor folk who will be >> forced to crosspost to several different subgroups (3 now, >> more later, not even counting csiph.*) to ask a question about a >> common peripheral. > > ... hardware questions which belong in...all of the existing > processor specific groups belong in comp.sys.next.hardware.misc. > A question which could go to both of them generally belongs in > neither but only in the .misc group. I wonder whether a more descriptive name might reduce confusion and crossposts. c.s.n.h.misc sounds like leftovers and scraps; something like c.s.n.h.general sounds more like what you intend. Maybe. But misc names are something of a net.tradition. And then of course the last proposed *.general group ended up being such a big scandal, that I'd hesitate to pick up that bad karma. :-) Carl Edman
From: lestat@cs.utexas.edu (Faizel M. Dakri) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 Pentium and NeXTstep Date: 19 Mar 1994 01:23:51 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <2me9a7$2vc@ar-rimal.cs.utexas.edu> References: <CMuBtt.2xG@mcs.anl.gov> Peter A. Korp (korp@eid.anl.gov) wrote: : I just got a 66 MHz Gateway pentium machine plunked on my desk and am : trying to figure out if it will be useful to me. Anyone had any luck : running one with the PCI ATI video card that this thing ships with? I have : a 1.2 GB SCSI Segate drive with an Adaptec 1542C controller, so the video : card is my real concern. Does 3.2, either out of the box or with extra : drivers from NeXT, work with this machine? : Thanks for your help, : Peter I've got NS 3.2 running right now on my Gateway P5-60. I'm using the PCI ATI card at 1120x832 in 8-bit greyscale, and a DPT 2021/90 SCSI controller. But, I've also gotten NeXTSTEP to install right out of the box using an Adaptec 1542CF controller. To use the ATI card at 1120x832, I made some modifications to the ATI driver that came with NS 3.2 (the modifications were posted on the net some time back). BTW, you need NeXTSTEP Developer to make the changes. Anyway, hope that helps, -Faizel
From: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu (Dhiren Jeram Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a Gateway NI FIP mailing list? Date: 19 Mar 1994 01:32:57 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2megs9$dpm@girtab.usc.edu> Hello, someone informed me that there is a Gateway NS FIP mailing list, but the address he sent me did not work. Does such a thing exist? If so, I would appreciate a pointer to the correct mailing address. Thanks... Dhiren Patel [^_^]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Message-ID: <CMvFMs.Dqr@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> <CEDMAN.94Mar16110251@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 17:37:39 GMT In article <CEDMAN.94Mar16110251@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >In article <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: >> There is ALREADY an appropriate place to discuss Intel hardware- >> specific issues: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware--which itself has >> EIGHT subgroups. (There are also already appropriate places to >> discuss PA-RISC and SPARC hardware issues.) >> >> [ ... and more of the same ... ] >> >> Experience has shown that this type of split only results in a >> degraded signal/noise ratio, a rise in inappropriate >> crosspostings, readership segmentation, and desertion by the >> "experts" best qualified to answer YOUR burning questions. >> >Yes, yes, yes and by the same argument the entire comp.sys.next >hierarchy should never have been created. After we can discuss all [munch] >Or at the very least c.s.n.hardware should never have been created as >you've shown that virtually every single article here really belongs >in a different group. Should all those misguided souls who post here >or who read this newsgroup consider themselves flamed by you ? > >Seriously, any proposed reorganization of the Usenet stands and falls >by one single question: Will it on average allow users to find more >articles of personal interest to them in less time ? > [munch] >do so once -- just as they do today. So nothing will be worse than >today ! Clearly, I do not believe that this will happen, nor does any >one else except for you. But even if it did, we would not have lost >anything we have today. > > Carl Edman I like the present c.s.n.* setup. As a developer, I want to see stuff that is relevant to NeXTSTEP regardless of the platform and having it all in one group provides cross-fertilisation that would be reduced if everything were segmented. Under the current arrangement I can get a very good feel for what is going on, what I ought to read/skip, and so on. I admit this depends on people writing good subject lines, and my possession of a fast modem. I wouldn't want to have to subscribed to new groups every time a new platform showed up any more than skp over all kinds of stuff related to Windows (+) or DOS or something. How many others tend to use the -q flag on rn? Also, since I would be subscribing to all the NeXTSTEP related groups, I'd be getting crossposted duplication. I would object to that as it would be confusing as well as wasteful. There's my 25 cents worth. [I hope you appreciate my use of a protective sign -- (+) -- after mentioning the unmentionable! :-)] david ---------- -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@trillium.ab.ca | (Albert Einstein)
From: hsla@la.async.vt.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: ZyXEL:DTE rate higher than 38.4 for black Date: 19 Mar 1994 17:58:57 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Distribution: na Message-ID: <2mfeh1$226@solaris.cc.vt.edu> I have just upgraded to v6.11a for my ZyXEL U-1496E. But I still cannot set DTE rate higher than 38.4 for both SLIP and kermit. For kermit I have tried to configure /etc/ttys and /etc/gettytab without much success. For the SLIP, after changing the baudrate in diald.conf and dial-zyxel.tcl to higher than 38.4, I still don't see any performance improvement so that I assume it is not set. I have a black 040 NeXTstation and still running NS3.0. Please let me know if you have any experience of increasing the DTE rate for such a black hardware. Thanks in advance. hs -- *********************************************** Under Construction. :-@, shaken by Quake '94.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> From: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> Message-ID: <9403191813.AA08678@relay2.geis.com> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 17:43:00 BST Subject: Printer Problems HELP! After installing the new Dot-Matrix Printer driver from NeXT Inc. I always get the following message: "Some or all of the pages in your print request couldn't be printed." The printer does not even do anything, seems to get stuck before the printer even sees anything. Do some of you know how to fix this problem? Thanks! Eric "E.T." Tremblay
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbryant@netcom.com (Greg Bryant) Subject: HELP: SCSI vs. IDE Message-ID: <gbryantCMxHsv.Jz4@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:19:42 GMT Subject: HELP: SCSI vs. IDE Newsgroups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Summary: Keywords: Please pass on all bits of wisdom to my mailbox gbryant@netcom.com. I purchased a Gateway P5-60 with the stock Mitsumi drive which I assumed to be a SCSI device. Now I've purchased and ADAPTEC SCSI adapter to install NextStep 3.2 and find that there are several more pins on the SCSI inter- face than the 16-bit interface card sent with the Mitsumi. Is there any way of connecting these two units and will I be able to chain additional SCSI devices. Please give me long winded answers, because this SCSI crap has me pretty confused. Many Thanks. -- *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* Greg Bryant BRYANT SYSTEMS GROUP (Reston, VA) Voice Mail: (703) 478-6309 INTERNET: gbryant@netcom.com Thought for the year: MCI Mail: 4685669@mcimail.com "Oliver North must not prevail!!!" *----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: JANA address? Message-ID: <CMwBBr.59F@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <CMsG76.2oL@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 05:02:14 GMT In article <CMsG76.2oL@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: #In article <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> #citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (MCCOLLAM, DON) writes: ##I believe the JANA folks still owe me a CD-ROM (from the 2 CD-ROM offer of ##_several_ months (seasons?) ago. Will someone please post their e-mail ##address. ##Thanks. ##Don McCollam ##mccollam@snow.ccit.arizona.edu #FUCK JANA!!!! # #Excuse the French but they owe me 2 discs. #I haven't seen them. I paid and got nothing. Actually I got one disc that was unusable. They had nerve enough to demand an apology from me via email for what I said. I don't apologize. Those are my feelings and opinion. I have spent money and haven't gotten what was entitled. So if they want an apology from me they had better send some discs. They also threatened to contact my email provider for my post. Since I pay my money for this feed I'll say what I please. Kent Like my sig. says - Infoserv only delivers my mail. -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dcode@netcom.com (Paul Marcos) Subject: Re: JANA address? Message-ID: <dcodeCMxvyK.1Ms@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <CMsG76.2oL@infoserv.com> <CMwBBr.59F@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 01:25:32 GMT In article <CMwBBr.59F@infoserv.com>, <kent@infoserv.com> wrote: >Actually I got one disc that was unusable. > >They had nerve enough to demand an apology from me >via email for what I said. > >I don't apologize. Those are my feelings and opinion. >I have spent money and haven't gotten what was entitled. >So if they want an apology from me they had better send some discs. > >They also threatened to contact my email provider for my post. >Since I pay my money for this feed I'll say what I please. > Funny, that's like the conversations I have had with Jay since I made my last post expressing my opinions about Jana Publishing. Jay even took it one step further and has been threatening me with a lawsuit for several weeks now. Also, Jay has threatened to take "revenge" on me for my post. I don't know if Canada has the equivalent of a Better Business Bureau, but I would think that would be a good way to go if you sent them money and haven't gotten what you paid for. If you're interested in more information or would like some assistance dealing with Jana Publishing and Jay, please feel free to contact me at dcode@netcom.com Paul -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- dCode | dcode@netcom.com | NeXT Mail Happily Accepted Paul Marcos | (415) 960-3259 (voice & fax)|
From: ralf@reswi.en.open.de (Ralf E. Stranzenbach) Newsgroups: comp.databases.object,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Poet or other OODB on top of NEXTSTEP Date: 19 Mar 1994 21:30:47 GMT Organization: News Server fuer en.open.de Message-ID: <RALF.94Mar19223047@jodokus.en.open.de> References: <1994Mar17.095720.1256@icare.fdn.org> <2m9s1c$m7j@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> <TDZMBO3J@netmbx.netmbx.de> In-reply-to: jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de's message of Fri, 18 Mar 1994 12:28:05 GMT >>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Robie <jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de> writes: In article <TDZMBO3J@netmbx.netmbx.de> jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de (Jonathan Robie) writes: Jonathan> kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) writes: >> In article <1994Mar17.095720.1256@icare.fdn.org>, Bruno >> Brottier <b_brottier@icare.fdn.org> wrote: >>> Hi netters ! >>> >>> Do anybody have any infos about Poet on NEXTSTEP, or any other >>> OODB on NEXTSTEP. A friend of mine wants to build an app on >>> NEXTSTEP, and do not want to use any RDB. Do you have any >>> pointers/experiences/thought ? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> BB Jonathan> Yes, POET is available for the NeXT. In fact, we use Jonathan> the NeXT for a lot of our internal development. Most of Jonathan> our developers have a Windows computer and a NeXT or a Jonathan> Sun on their desk. Is there any chance of an Personal Edition of POET for the NeXT computer that is as payable as the Windows release ? - ralf -- Ralf E.Stranzenbach - (NeXT)-Mail: ralf@reswi.en.open.de Fido: Ralf_Stranzenbach 2:245/5800.12 (Voice)-Phone: +49 2302 / 68403 -- ObNeXTHate: NeXT - finde ich gut! Die zeigt mir 2 Daten und Uhrzeiten an (eimal im NewsGrazer, einmal oben rechts), da kann ich mir wenigstens aussuchen, welche ich nehme ... Heee, Moment!! Wieso bin ich eigentlich noch hier, es ist doch schon 22:30 Uhr --- und zwar *gestern*!! [Martin Schweikert]
From: Alan Goldberg Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Vertical market information Date: 20 Mar 94 12:30:25 Organization: Softpac Pty Ltd, Sydney, Australia Distribution: world Message-ID: <alan.94Mar20123025@softpac> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: Graphics, Publishing, Desk top Publishing Hi Our organisation in Sydney Australia is planning a NEXTSTEP marketing push into the " Graphics / Publishing " vertical market. We would appreciate any information on the following: 1) Reference sites in thes areas currently using NEXTSTEP and third party applications in this market 2) The type's of productivity gains being achieved at these sites and specifically the third party app bundles being used . 3) Information from suppliers of N/S Third Party apps whose products fit into this market. and particularly those Third Party App developers who wish to gain exposure into this market in Australia I understand that this could be a tall order, however any assistance we get is appreciated. Please direct your replies to me : alan@softpac.com.au Many thanks in advance. Alan Goldberg General Manager Softpac Tel : (61 - 2- 214 2692) Fax: ( 61-2- 436-1336) NeXTMAIL welcomed and Appreciated.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mjh@runge.mit.edu (Michael J. Hopkins) Subject: Re: mv everything to /some/folder Message-ID: <1994Mar16.035022.1438@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics References: <CEDMAN.94Mar13092601@capitalist.princeton.edu> <CMoFtz.LKu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 03:50:22 GMT I tend to use tcsh, but I just checked this in csh and in sh... Don't both rm -r mydirectory/ rm -rf mydirectory/ (note the trailing backslash) remove all of the contents of mydirectory, but not the directory itself? Mike -- ----------------------------------- Mike Hopkins mjh@math.mit.edu -----------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization In-Reply-To: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca's message of Fri, 18 Mar 1994 17:37:39 GMT To: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar19184052@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.94Mar16000449@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2m701s$ebp@nic-nac.CSU.net> <CEDMAN.94Mar16110251@capitalist.princeton.edu> <CMvFMs.Dqr@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:40:51 GMT In article <CMvFMs.Dqr@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) writes: I like the present c.s.n.* setup. As a developer, I want to see stuff that is relevant to NeXTSTEP regardless of the platform and having it all in one group provides cross-fertilisation that would be reduced if everything were segmented. Under the current arrangement I can get a very good feel for what is going on, what I ought to read/skip, and so on. I admit this depends on people writing good subject lines, and my possession of a fast modem. Fine. If you like the current setup just read all the comp.sys.next.hardware subgroups. Nothing will change for you except that you'll tend to see all the i386 articles, followed by all the m68k articles, followed by all the other NS hardware articles, instead of having them in random order just as right now -- surely a bearable price. As for "cross fertilization" I have very rarely observed it and then mostly only in the rude meaning of the term. I wouldn't want to have to subscribed to new groups every time a new platform showed up any more than skp over all kinds of stuff related to Windows (+) or DOS or something. How many others tend to use the -q flag on rn? New subgroups will only be created rarely and only after there is a high volume on the machine in question on c.s.n.h.misc, a RFD, a 2nd RFD, a CFV and a second CVFs. You won't be able to miss it. By the time a new processor gets its own group I can guarantee you'll have spent orders of magnitude more keystrokes on skipping articles on it in c.s.n.h.misc than it will cost you to subscribe to it if you so choose. Also, since I would be subscribing to all the NeXTSTEP related groups, I'd be getting crossposted duplication. I would object to that as it would be confusing as well as wasteful. Please. I do not wish to flame you. However, it has to be said that it would be a great advantage if people didn't start to post in a thread without at least scanning the articles in it for the last few day. Let me repeat (again) a few undisputed points. * Crossposts do not cost any significant amount of disk space or network bandwidth more than uncrossposted articles. * Every modern news reader (including rn) will only show you a crossposted article once regardless of how many of your subscribed groups it appears in. * The proposal clearly divides almost all articles currently in c.s.n.h among the new groups and discourages crossposts. So this is not a problem. Carl Edman
From: hsla@la.async.vt.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: ZyXEL:DTE rate:summary Date: 20 Mar 1994 06:22:38 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Distribution: na Message-ID: <2mgq3e$kja@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Lots of thanks to those who kindly replied! In short, with a given black hardware, we are stuck with 38.4. But if you have any clever idea to go beyond, please post. I think others may be interested in too. -- *********************************************** Under Construction. :-@, shaken by Quake '94.
From: Mark G. Tacchi Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a Gateway NI FIP mailing list? Date: 20 Mar 1994 07:10:02 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mgssa$djs@rosie.next.com> References: <2megs9$dpm@girtab.usc.edu> In article <2megs9$dpm@girtab.usc.edu> djpatel@girtab.usc.edu (Dhiren Jeram Patel) writes: > Hello, someone informed me that there is a Gateway NS FIP mailing list, but > the address he sent me did not work. Does such a thing exist? If so, I would > appreciate a pointer to the correct mailing address. Thanks... > Yup. To post to the list, send email (plain text only!) to: nextgate@cs.cornell.edu If you want to be added to or removed from the list, or if you have other administrative requests, don't mail to nextgate. Instead, send your request (plain text) to: nextgate-request@cs.cornell.edu -Mark
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: ZyXEL:DTE rate:summary Date: 20 Mar 1994 08:59:31 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: na Message-ID: <2mh39j$dg@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2mgq3e$kja@solaris.cc.vt.edu> >> In short, with a given black hardware, we are stuck with 38.4. >> But if you have any clever idea to go beyond, please post. Well I don't, but someone else did. The clever idea was to use the DSP port. Yrrid Inc. (yrrid@world.std.com) makes, assuming they still exist, a device that adds a serial port using the DSP, and as I recall it can run a good deal faster than the normal serial ports. mark
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 20 Mar 1994 16:35:20 GMT Organization: George Mason University Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mhu08$6rm@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: ? (I posted more than one thing in this, to save time & bandwith) Hi, I'm looking for information concerning the encryption capacities inside of NEXTSTEP. If you know anything about this stuff please drop me some email. For clarification purposes, I'm ~not~ refering to NXPGP, or the "des" program, or anything like that. I should probably pester someone at NeXT about this... but wtf, I figured I might be just missing something here & figured I'd ask. Using Yrrid's TTYDSP package to do high speed serial communications is THE solution for black hardware. I highly reccomend it to anyone considering doing substantial high speed modem communications at 38400 or above. For the new V.fast 28.8K modems, it's the ONLY way you can use one with Black Hardware. Their address is: Yrrid Incorporated (919) 968-7858 507 Monroe Street (919) 968-7856 (fax) Chapel Hill, NC 27516 ttydsp@yrrid.com Tim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) Subject: Re: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) Message-ID: <CMzEBw.CAF@cc.umontreal.ca> Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal References: <2mhu08$6rm@portal.gmu.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 20:59:55 GMT tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu wrote: : Using Yrrid's TTYDSP package to do high speed serial comm- : unications is THE solution for black hardware. I highly reccomend it to : anyone considerin doing substantial high speed modem communications at : 38400 or above. For the new V.fast 28.8K modems, it's the ONLY way you : can use one with Black Hardware. Their address is: Are you saying that I am not actually communicating with my modem at 57600 bps even though I have selected this speed and my modem reports that it is communicating with the cube at 57600 bps? You mean that actually, the NeXT can't really send/receive data at even 38400 bps to and from the modem? How cheap can you get! I'd at least expect the NeXT serial port to be able to fully handle 57600 bps. An Atari Falcon can do double that, and it costs about $800 new. I thought NeXT Hardware was "well engineered". So much for that illusion :-( I have Cables from Yrrid (Christopher Lloyd's great terminal program) which allows me to use the DSP but I don't have an adaptor. So I'm not too worried. When I get a faster modem, I'll send them money. : Yrrid Incorporated (919) 968-7858 : 507 Monroe Street (919) 968-7856 (fax) : Chapel Hill, NC 27516 ttydsp@yrrid.com : Tim -- "The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing of it's existence." -- Thufir Hawat, Mentat.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rms@netcom.netcom.com (Robert M. Searfus) Subject: NXBench and other benchmarking aids Message-ID: <RMS.94Mar20145400@netcom.netcom.com> Sender: rms@netcom.com (Robert M. Searfus) Organization: NETCOM On-line services Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 22:53:59 GMT Can someone point me to the source for NXBench (as well as other software useful in benchmarking a NEXTSTEP/UNIX environment)? (bob) Robert M. Searfus rms@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) Subject: Any NeXT vendors gonna be at Uniforum? Message-ID: <espritCMzHDK.LJB@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 22:05:44 GMT Does anyone know which NeXT vendors will be at Uniforum this week? I don't know all the names to look for in the exhibit/vendor list. -- ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Alan F. Perry | Life is short, but by achieving greater speeds alanp@eng.sun.com (work) | a man can make his life a little longer and esprit@netcom.com (home) | more affluent - Soichiro Honda
From: damartin@mtl.mit.edu (David A. Martin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next Computer for Sale Date: 20 Mar 1994 23:50:12 GMT Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories Message-ID: <2minfk$2sp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> A friend of mine is selling his Next Turbo Color with 3.1 OS. It has a 17 inch monitor, 400 Meg hard drive, and 32 Meg of RAM. He is willing to consider any reasonable offer. To contact him: Name: Tolga Erdogus email: terdog@aigtc.com home: 203-531-6327 (after 6:15PM) work: 203-861-3005 (8AM-6PM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) Message-ID: <1994Mar21.035553.15286@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <CMzEBw.CAF@cc.umontreal.ca> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 03:55:53 GMT In article <CMzEBw.CAF@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes: > Are you saying that I am not actually communicating with my modem at > 57600 bps even though I have selected this speed and my modem reports > that it is communicating with the cube at 57600 bps? You mean that > actually, the NeXT can't really send/receive data at even 38400 bps > to and from the modem? 38400 bps works fine with NEXTSTEP 3.0 on a NeXTstation connected to a T3000. I can get almost that rate for some ftp transfers. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette Systems Manager, Brunger Lab, Dept MB&B, Yale Univ/HHMI, New Haven, CT PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) Subject: NeXTMail Can I send it? Message-ID: <gslCMzy5z.3H2@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 04:08:23 GMT I have a NEXTSTEP/FIP system at home and a dial-in account at Netcom an Internet service provider. I have just a regular user account, not UUCP and not SLIP. The question is: Can I send NeXTMail and how? I have figured out how to recieve NeXTMail but not how to send it. Although it would be nice to recieve it in a friendlier manner as well. I use TipTop to dial in but I have also used kermit. So, Can it be done? Thanks, -- Greg Lindholm Glendale CA gsl@netcom.com
From: bohlkejh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jon H. Bohlke II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: ZyXEL:DTE rate:summary Date: 21 Mar 1994 04:39:04 GMT Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Distribution: na Message-ID: <2mj8d8$duc@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <2mgq3e$kja@solaris.cc.vt.edu> In article <2mgq3e$kja@solaris.cc.vt.edu> hsla@la.async.vt.edu (Hoseong La) writes: > Lots of thanks to those who kindly replied! > > In short, with a given black hardware, we are stuck with 38.4. bzzzt....wrong! Check out Tiptop.app, it does 57.6 and my zyxel says it is really doing it! I have no idea how? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jon Bohlke bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "This gnaws at my gut like a Billy Tubbs post-game interview." - Michael Lerner GO HUSKERS!!!!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dylan@Angst.COM (Dylan Kohler) Subject: Automagically mounting removable media everywhere Message-ID: <1994Mar21.031122.20709@Angst.COM> Sender: dylan@Angst.COM Organization: Angst Animation Post Production Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 03:11:22 GMT A while back I inquired about getting removable media to mount on all hosts in the network. With Waihon Andrew Kwong's kind help, I figured how to do this semi-manually using two scripts. Now I can insert an optical disk, log in as root, then run my script and it appears on all the other hosts. When I'm done, I log in as root and run my other script and it is ready to be ejected again. What I would really like to do is have this script automatically called when a disk is inserted, and the other called when I want to eject the disk. (In the latter case, if a umount fails for any of the client hosts, the return code should prohibit ejection of the disk... "Can't eject /Foo, some application is using it.") Are there any hooks into the automatic automounting that Workspace does; is there a way to do this? Thanks in advance. I'll summarize, and if it truly works, I'll submit everything to the archives. -- ___________________________________ Dylan Kohler Angst Animation Post Production dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome)
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: '040 Cube for a reasonable price (must be in DE, MD, VA area) Followup-To: poster Date: 21 Mar 1994 00:18:16 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Distribution: um Message-ID: <2mip48$cvi@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Keywords: NeXT, Cube, WANTED Hi, I am hoping to purchase a NeXT Cube from someone in the Delaware, Maryland, or Virginia area, for a reasonable price. So, if you have a cube you want to sell please don't hesitate to write me. Thanks, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Jana Publishing and Paul Marcos From: jana@canrem.com (Jana) Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.29954.4902.0N1990AD@canrem.com> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 17:12:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Hello, We would like to set few things clear. The only reson the CD was late is that we are collecting software for it. We could have put out a CD with 40 Megs of software but we chose the other way. If you have any question you are well come to talke to us by calling 1-800-363-2083 or E-Mail christina@jana.com. Christina is our custermer service rep in charge of the NeXT CD's. We offer a low cost CD. At about 10 dollers, this is the best value out there. Lot of software houses who did NeXT software have gone under since there is not a big market to suport it. Infact we do not make any money on the NeXT side, but we are still doing this because we made a promised to people and we want to keep it up. Like the big boys we could have just walked to the state filing office and did a Chapter 11, but we did not do it, We know that the NeXT market will grow and we are on it for the long run. Please call us before you post some thing, the call is free, or if you want E-Mail us and we can call you, even if you live outside of US. Re : Paul Marcos (dcode@netcom.com) Paul worked for us last year. He promised to work for us for one year, but lost his internet connection, sold his NeXT and moved to do Win NT devlopment in the middle of his work, even though he promised to work with us on 6 CD's. When I asked him for the NeXT software he was collecting, he sent me a tape saying it had about 100 Megs on it. Since I did not have a NeXT at that time, I belived him and sent the tape to mastering at the CD plant. Once the Mastering was finished, the CD was sent to all the subscribers and the tape was sent back to Paul. Few weeks later we started geting calls from subscribers saying that the CD had only 4 Megs of NeXT software. First we thought the problem was at the manufacturing plant, but then found out that the tape Paul sent did not have the "about 100" meg he promissed but rather 4 Meg. I trusted him, but he screwed me. When every thing came to light he quit and started to flame us on the Net. We have tried to contact him several time, infact we made about 50 calles during the past 3 months and he has not replied. So we ended up contacting our attorny, in the hopes that courts can bring out the truth. This matter is upto the courts as we speak and we should get a answer by summer. I hope at lest the courts can force Paul to tell the truth to NeXT users on the Net. Because of this he is out to destroy a business that is helping the NeXT community (May be he want a Win NT CD :-)), as net users you have choice to belive Paul or us, but please keep in mind that we are the only one who is commited to making low cost (less then $10 ) CD's for the NeXT users out there. Thanks very much. Jay and other at Jana Publishing 1-800-363-2083 For faster reply E-Mail to : Jay@jana.com.
From: schmo1@info.isbiel.ch (Olivier Schmid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Page UP/DOWN Date: 21 Mar 1994 15:56:37 GMT Organization: Biel School of Engineering, CH-2501 Biel, Switzerland Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mkg3l$nq3@vega.info.isbiel.ch> Is it possible to define the page UP and DOWN keys on my Keyboard (NSFI 3.2) to scroll a page up/down like in DOS (Windows) ? Thanks Olivier
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) Subject: Re: NeXTStep Pricing (WAS Re: CeBIT) Message-ID: <1994Mar19.181513.3494@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> Organization: Little to None References: <2mb3gr$90c@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> <2mdjuj$1ag@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:15:13 GMT In article <2mdjuj$1ag@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, Michael Sanderson <msander@bnr.ca> wrote: >[ chomp ] >But I do like to hack around a bit, and would like to be able to continue >to do so without having to sell the farm so to speak. Why can't the >student pricing scheme be elevated to the next (pun intended) level, >where individuals such as myself can enjoy reasonably priced software >at home. I realize that students are able to prove that they are >such, and this makes the accounting a lot easier, but couldn't we sign >some agreement stating that we would not re-sell any package, or use it >for profit, or some such thing? > >Whew, glad I got that off my chest. >-Michael I second that motion. Kurt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Re: Operating NeXTStation Headlessly Message-ID: <743MBO6K@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <CMw97q.8vw@ucdavis.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 21:05:23 GMT David Bradford (dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I have two NeXTStations networked and I would like tho know if : there is software/hardware out there to operate one or more slabs : headless - without monitor or keyboard. : I figure that the biggest problem is turning the machine on. I figure : it will probably boot off of the net if I set it up as a diskless : client. Then I could either remotely login or "tip" over via the serial : ports. : Does anyone have any experience with this? Any suggestions or : help will be much appreciated. Get a Soundbox! Then you can turn on the computer by plugging in a keyboard in the Soundbox. Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-37077 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095 Email: mzeller@gwdg.de
From: rgc@cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Parallel port problems on ALR Evolution V Date: 21 Mar 1994 17:22:12 -0500 Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ml6mk$qen@dorito.cs.umd.edu> Hi, I have an ALR Evolution V (Pentium) with the following configuration: ATI GUP/2MB VRAM Adaptec 1542C 660 MB Fujitsu SCSI HD The system works nicely, except for the fact that the parallel port doesn't get recognized: Mar 14 19:35:05 localhost mach: IOParallelPort not allocated: controller not det ected at address 0x378 Does anyone out there with an ALR Evolution V with a similar setup have a working parallel port? BTW, the parallel port works fine under Windows NT and DOS. There are no apparent hardware conflicts. I'm using NS/I 3.2 and the latest Adaptec drivers. The parallel port really is at 0x378h (I called ALR to verify). Also, the printer is online when I boot the computer (as suggested in NeXTanswers). NeXT is unable to help me (unless I pay their $120/hour fee). NeXT does not provide the source for the parallel port driver, and the tech. support guy I talked to said that they couldn't give it to me so that *I* could try and fix their bug. Help! Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 21 Mar 1994 20:25:27 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax va. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mkvrn$hpd@portal.gmu.edu> References: <CMzEBw.CAF@cc.umontreal.ca> <1994Mar21.035553.15286@cs.yale.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: 38400 works "ok" 38400 on Black hardware works ok, I didn't mean to imply that it wouldn't. However using ttydsp for that speed communications makes a BIG BIG diffrence in how much the CPU is used during intensive tasks like uploading & downloading. Le me put it this way, while I'm sitting here waiting for external 28.8K modems to hit the stores in my area (beyond the Hayes one, all I've seen are internals) I'm running 38400 using ttydsp. I've been doing it for quite soem time now, and you couldn't pay me to go back to using the native serial port for modem communications if I was goign to be using itat the level I do now. The native serial implemen- -ation works fine for occasional and semi-frequent communications. But if you are going to run SLIP, UUCP, term, or do alot of uploading & downloading then I'd reccomend getting TTYDSP. I'd certainly NOT go back unless the level of communications that I currently have declined significantly. However, if you're not doing alot of this type of thing then there's no reason to consider it. (Unless you do high speed serial printing or something similar.) As a benchmark, I can safely say that my cpu useage during downloads declined from about 30%-40% (Uploading is worse) to under 5% with TTYDSP. (your milage may vary). I also never ever overrun buffers or experience any of the other problems I used to occasionaly have using the native implementation. I should add that I run a very active 24/7 link too, so my use is probably higher than most peoples. If you transfer files over 1 meg on a daily or near daily basis I'd consider it, andything less, definatly not, unless you do alot of serial printing. (If you can hook your printer up to a serial port, and have it stuck on your LAN now, this is a real real good way to reduce your ethernet traffic too...) Tim .
From: Randy Antler Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTMail Can I send it? Date: 22 Mar 1994 02:52:10 GMT Organization: CERFnet Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2mlmgq$63n@news.cerf.net> References: <gslCMzy5z.3H2@netcom.com> In article <gslCMzy5z.3H2@netcom.com> gsl@netcom.com (Greg Lindholm) writes: |I have a NEXTSTEP/FIP system at home and a dial-in account at Netcom an |Internet service provider. I have just a regular user account, not UUCP |and not SLIP. The question is: Can I send NeXTMail and how? I have |figured out how to recieve NeXTMail but not how to send it. Although |it would be nice to recieve it in a friendlier manner as well. | |I use TipTop to dial in but I have also used kermit. | |So, Can it be done? | |Thanks, | |-- |Greg Lindholm |Glendale CA |gsl@netcom.com Try the following script for SENDING NeXTMAIL from a Unix machine. -- randy@pilot.com (home address) NeXTMAIL randy@nacm.com (work address) Welcome! *Out* and _proud_ of it! 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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTcube hangs on inetd Date: 22 Mar 94 02:59:23 GMT Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Message-ID: <dlcogswe.764305163@vela.acs.oakland.edu> We have a NeXT cube that hasn't been used in a while that we absolutely must access. It hangs when it loads inetd. I believe it may be looking for a name server. Anyhow, is there anyway to bypass the rc file and boot into a maintenance shell so I can investigate further? It's booting off a hard drive (sd(0,0,0)sdmach I believe) as opposed to the optical. -- Dan Cogswell BOB #722
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gast@lucy.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Gastkennung (PST)) Subject: Re: HELP: SCSI vs. IDE Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Message-ID: <Cn2GHx.LnH@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 12:39:32 GMT References: <gbryantCMxHsv.Jz4@netcom.com> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen In article <gbryantCMxHsv.Jz4@netcom.com> gbryant@netcom.com (Greg Bryant) writes: > > Subject: HELP: SCSI vs. IDE > Newsgroups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 > Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) > Summary: > Keywords: > > > Please pass on all bits of wisdom to my mailbox gbryant@netcom.com. > > I purchased a Gateway P5-60 with the stock Mitsumi drive which I assumed > to be > a SCSI device. Now I've purchased and ADAPTEC SCSI adapter to install > NextStep 3.2 and find that there are several more pins on the SCSI inter- > face than the 16-bit interface card sent with the Mitsumi. Is there > any way of connecting these two units and will I be able to chain > additional SCSI devices. Please give me long winded answers, because this > SCSI crap has me pretty confused. > As far as I know, Mitsumi only munufactures IDE CD-ROM drives. Those can not be connected to any SCSI host adapter, nor is there a IDE-CD-ROM driver for NS/I. Like thousends (millions?) of other PC users, NEXTSTEP will leave you in the rain. To be able to install NS, you will need a SCSI CD-ROM drive. Toshiba 4101 B or Chinon drives are among the cheaper ones. I really dont know why NeXT does not support any IDE-CD-ROM drives. Please let me skip the technical informations about the differences between SCSI and IDE, but one possibly interessting point is that there is NO IDE standard for supporting CD-ROM drives. On CeBit fair I have actually seen a sound board which could be connected to three different types of IDE CD-ROM drives using three different connectors. Any IDE CD-ROM support in NS/I would be amoung my prefered drivers (the others would be Adaptec 6360/6260 which is used on many low cost SCSI hostadapters, and Soundblaster 16, though I guess someone is working on that).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gast@lucy.pst.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Gastkennung (PST)) Subject: Re: How does one mount an IDE DOS partition? Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Message-ID: <Cn2GvJ.Lt4@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 12:47:41 GMT References: <13MAR199422235571@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen In article <13MAR199422235571@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov> okerson@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov (David Okerson) writes: > Please forgive a no-doubt foolish beginner's question, but: > > How does one mount an IDE DOS partition? > > My "root" disk is an external SCSI which is all NEXTSTEP (not > partitioned). > > Following the NeXTanswers instructions, I created a NEXTSTEP > partition on my internal IDE drive and installed the files in it > to allow booting without a diskette. > > (This was a nuisance, since off course it forced me to find a way > to backup and then reinstall all my DOS files, which predated the > arrival of NEXTSTEP.) > > I formatted the remainder of the IDE drive as 2 DOS partitions, using > the NEXTSTEP fdisk and choosing Option 1 - "small FAT" under "non- > NEXTSTEP partition". (It was not obvious why one should choose either > "large FAT" or "extended DOS".) Both partitions are 64 MB, chosen to > avoid NeXT's warnings about problems with large DOS partitions. > > I reinstalled all the DOS files onto the IDE, and it works correctly > under DOS. The NEXTSTEP boot-from-IDE system also works correctly, > and I added it to /etc/fstab. However, try what I may, I *cannot* > get the DOS partitions to mount (not even one). Neither manual > "mount"ing nor modifying fstab seems to get anywhere. > > Can anyone help? In case it might help, the machine in question is > a Dell 450/DX2. I SOMETIMES encountered the same problem with my second IDE disk. THough I cannot offer a solution, my guess is that it has something to do with timing problems. A cold boot always corrected the problem Thyl Engelhardt
From: tspencer@kiwi.mccaw.com (Tim Spencer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: Operating NeXTStation Headlessly Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Date: 21 Mar 94 18:46:52 Organization: /Net/kiwi/Users/tspencer/.organization Message-ID: <TSPENCER.94Mar21184652@kiwi.mccaw.com> References: <CMw97q.8vw@ucdavis.edu> <743MBO6K@gwdu03.gwdg.de> In-reply-to: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de's message of Mon, 21 Mar 1994 21:05:23 GMT In article <743MBO6K@gwdu03.gwdg.de> mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: David Bradford (dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I have two NeXTStations networked and I would like tho know if : there is software/hardware out there to operate one or more slabs : headless - without monitor or keyboard. : I figure that the biggest problem is turning the machine on. I figure : it will probably boot off of the net if I set it up as a diskless : client. Then I could either remotely login or "tip" over via the serial : ports. : Does anyone have any experience with this? Any suggestions or : help will be much appreciated. Get a Soundbox! Then you can turn on the computer by plugging in a keyboard in the Soundbox. If you have an ADB turbo box... Or actually, I think that there are some non ADB boxes that have this ROM feature... Anyways, if you have the right ROM version, you can specify in the Preferences app for the machine to turn on right after powerfail. Then, if you specify in the ROM monitor for the console to be on serial port A, and disable the loginwindow in /etc/ttys, the machine will boot up as soon as it gets power, and all console i/o will go out serial port A. We have several here in our room for NXHosting the few remaining black only apps that we need. It's been a while since I set one up like that, so the details above may be a bit vague, but the intent is correct at least. Hope you can use this info! Have fun!! -- Tim Spencer: McCaw NeXT Technical Analyst tim.spencer@mccaw.com (206)915-5988 :-) NeXTMail welcome!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: boonlow@fraser.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) Subject: Can I mount logical/extended DOS part. ? Message-ID: <boonlow.764317408@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca (seymour news) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 06:23:28 GMT Hey , I am running NS 3.2 on a PC. NS is on the SCSI drive and it will automatically mount my IDE drive but ONLY the first primary[ C: ] partition. Is there a way I can mount my extended/logical DOS partition ? I called NeXT tech-support and they said it cannot be done. Only primary partition is supported under NS. Can anyone varify this ? I run Linux and I have no problems mounting my extended/logical partition from there, therefore, I am still pretty hopefull that it can be done. Thanks for the help. Regards, - Ben.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Why does /dev/pp0 keep disappearing?!?!?!?! Message-ID: <thompsonCn1ztu.Go6@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.bugs Organization: Saperstein, et al. Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 06:39:30 GMT I have had this experience with two different Intel GX machines running 3.2, with two different parallel printers attached: the device /dev/pp0 disappears, apparently randomly (but probably before/during/after some reboots or power downs). It's easy enough to recreate: # mknod /dev/pp0 c 7 0 # chmod 666 /dev/pp0 <reboot> (it doesn't work unless you reboot) But how can I keep it from disappearing? Needless to say it is very annoying. Eric Thompson thompson@netcom.com
From: alvin@cse.ucsc.edu (Alvin Jee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need for Info - NeXTWorld is Gone! Date: 22 Mar 1994 09:12:06 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Message-ID: <2mmcp6$qht@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <Pine.3.05.9403212228.E10498-b100000@cais.com> In article <Pine.3.05.9403212228.E10498-b100000@cais.com> bjones@cais.com (Peripheral Solutions) writes: > I guess most of you have heard the news that Integrated Media has > immediately suspended publication of NeXTWorld magazine, effective Monday > March 21st. Ahhh...! what? Is this rumor or fact? Ugh.. I hope it's not true I just renewed my subscription :( I hope some other publisher picks it up if it has indeed been suspended. > Browsing the net each day is surely a very good substitute for information > that we will be missing from NeXTWorld. In some cases the information on > the net was a lot more reliable. However, a centralized repository is > always nice and something you can turn back on when the need arises. I think that a magazine is much better than net-based info right now. Not everybody has net access and magazines always stay around--net messages go away after a while. I tend to trust magazine articles more than net messages. Magazines seem to be more accountable for what gets written whereas net messages tend to be reactionary and sometimes unsubstantiated. Plus, you don't get interviews and stuff like that on the net. Besides, I stare at computer monitors quite enough already. Staring at paper is a good change--especially if it has neat color pictures and all. Also, I don't think I can run ethernet to a laptop so I can read while taking care of certain biological needs. :) -- Alvin Jee e-mail: alvin@cse.ucsc.edu NeXTMail gleefully accepted!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: schwett@netcom.com (Mark Schwettmann) Subject: Re: Parallel port problems on ALR Evolution V Message-ID: <schwettCn27Ar.Avu@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2ml6mk$qen@dorito.cs.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 09:20:51 GMT Ross, This sounds very similar to a problem I had with my Gateway System. Try changing the Paralell port to LPT*2* in the CMOS setup. It seems cheesy; but it worked for me. I did this and NeXTStep prints fine; in fact so do NT, OS/2 and DOS, even though the port has been remapped... Hope this helps... Mark
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A definite problem with dialupip. Date: 22 Mar 1994 10:46:22 -0000 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2mmi9u$1md@steffi.demon.co.uk> Last year Louie acknowledge this problem. When using dialupip sometimes (under what conditions I'm unsure of) you will lock up all IP. Consequently all attempts to fetch anything from /etc/passwd/nidump will block. I would like to know specifically what causes this problem and how it can be avoided. Often, I call my host via slip and I get into this situation and this results in a timeout and wasted phonecall. The timing of when I'm sending packets to my host and when the routing is set up seems to be significant in creating this problem. -- "Bitch" (Albert Finney, Audrey Hepburn) "Bastard" (Two for the Road, 1967) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Re: Why does /dev/pp0 keep disappearing?!?!?!?! Message-ID: <thompsonCn2nwG.1FI@netcom.com> Organization: Saperstein, et al. References: <thompsonCn1ztu.Go6@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 15:19:28 GMT I wrote: > >But how can I keep [/dev/pp0] from disappearing? Needless to say it is >very annoying. The answer is to have the printer on before powering up the computer, and /dev/pp0 will be dynamically created. Thanks for those that answered (including that guy fron NeXT :-) Eric Thompson thompson@netcom.com
From: kirk@cs.pitt.edu (Kirk Pruhs) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next Service Number Date: 22 Mar 1994 16:04:21 GMT Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mn4u5$gsj@toads.pgh.pa.us> Does anyone know the service phone number for NeXT in the the US? Thanks, Kirk Pruhs kirk@cs.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) Message-ID: <1994Mar21.174957.1241@gamelan.uucp> Sender: thomas@gamelan.uucp (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <2mhu08$6rm@portal.gmu.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 17:49:57 GMT In article <2mhu08$6rm@portal.gmu.edu> tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) writes: > Using Yrrid's TTYDSP package to do high speed serial > communications is THE solution for black hardware. I > highly reccomend it to anyone considering doing substantial high > speed modem communications at 38400 or above. For the new V.fast > 28.8K modems, it's the ONLY way you can use one with Black > Hardware. You can still use V.fast with a 38kbps serial line. Because most data is usually compressed, there is not much gain over V.fast's 28kbps. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.de Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: kenw@well.sf.ca.us (Kenneth A. Worthy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TransSys DialUpIp on NS3.2?? Date: 22 Mar 1994 20:15:59 GMT Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Message-ID: <2mnjlv$fv8@nkosi.well.com> Has anyone used TransSys DialUpIP with NS3.2? I have tried to install this recently, and it looks like /etc/ifconfig can't find the slip interface. I figure maybe the loadable driver is not getting installed correctly. This is the output of the rc.slip: Begin SLIP configuration. Configuring interface slip0 ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCGIFFLAGS): no such interface Can't disable compression: SIOCBISSOFTFLAGS: No such device or address etc. Thanks, Ken
From: sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can I mount logical/extended DOS part. ? Date: 22 Mar 1994 18:57:53 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2mnf3h$hh2@rosie.next.com> References: <boonlow.764317408@sfu.ca> Iboonlow@fraser.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) writes: > (NS) will automatically mount my IDE drive but ONLY the first > primary[ C: ] partition. > Is there a way I can mount my extended/logical DOS partition ? Not possible right now. It would be good if NeXT added devices for logical drives but it's not going to happen real soon. Logical drives are an inelegant hack under DOS, and supporting them is non-trivial. -sam -- Opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer. They're not even mine. They're probably wrong besides. How did they get in here, anyway?
From: david.geary@mccaw.com (David Geary) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Reboot to DOS? Date: 22 Mar 1994 19:27:09 GMT Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <2mngqd$m8k@ftp-p.mccaw.com> I've got a disk partitioned for DOS (no flames, please) and NeXT. When I click the restart button on the NeXT login panel, I get a panel which has a button which says (SomethingLike) "Reboot to DOS". When I click the button, it gives me the "Select d for DOS, n for NEXTSTEP", and, if I do nothing, boots into NS. Anyone know how to get the "Reboot to DOS" to reboot to DOS? -- // David Geary "I think you better turn your ticket in and // get your money back at the door" // david.geary@mccaw.com // NeXTMail Welcome
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need DigitalEye software Date: 22 Mar 1994 22:41:04 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mns60$ljj@news.tamu.edu> Keywords: DigitalEye I inherited a NeXT with a DIgitalEye peripheral, which I think is a video frame grabber which plugs into the DSP port. Where can I get the software to run it? E-mail appreciated. Thanks! -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: dbrad@turing.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: Answering Machine Software/Modem combination Message-ID: <Cn38Ju.54L@ucdavis.edu> Summary: What Answering Machine Software and Appropriate Modem Keywords: Supra Fax (upgradable for voice recognintion), Answering Machine Software Sender: David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Distribution: world Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:45:28 GMT Have a Supra Fax 14.4/v.32 bis Fax modem. This was suppose to be upgradable via ROM supplement/replacement chip to handle incoming voice calls (at some level). 1) Is there software to take advantage of this facility and provide me with the ability to take and retreive messages i.e. "voice mail". 2) Is an upgrade chip available from Supra Corp. ? Please do not give me their number. I once waited 90 minutes to get a rep on line. 3) Are there other Modems as economical as the Supra which have voice mail capabilites? Please respond via e-mail to dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu Thanks, David Bradford ************************************************************** Work : Techniques for Solution of Stochastic Optimization Problems - Sequential and Parallel Algorithms Quote: The nice thing about mathematics is that one can explore the universe without molesting it. Certainly it is not automatic that all will choose a benevolent course. David Bradford **************************************************************
From: cdl@helium.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUBMISSION: GraphBuilder - Printing Online Manual Date: 23 Mar 1994 00:04:36 GMT Organization: MPL of SIO at UCSD Message-ID: <2mo12k$egq@network.ucsd.edu> References: <2md9m3$ppp@digifix.digifix.com> In article <2md9m3$ppp@digifix.digifix.com> Graph Sales <graphing@mttam.com> writes: > GraphBuilder - Printing Online Manual > > Now users of GraphBuilder can print the online manual at the press of a > button, even if you obtained GraphBuilder from an ftp site, by using the > application "printOnlineDocs". This application is located on the ftp > archive site cs.orst.edu, please see below for details. A quick electronic trip to cs.orst.edu this afternoon found that /pub/next/submissions was essentially wiped clean. There was no evidence that things like GraphBuilder and its friends had been moved to another directory. I hope this is only a transient phenomenon. carl
From: kumamoto@sj.ate.slb.com (Danny Kumamoto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep Pricing Date: 20 Mar 1994 03:51:32 GMT Organization: Schlumberger ATE, San Jose Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mgh84$6gp@k2.San-Jose.ate.slb.com> References: <2mb3gr$90c@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> <2mdjuj$1ag@bmerha64.bnr.ca> In article <2mdjuj$1ag@bmerha64.bnr.ca> msander@bnr.ca writes: >Why can't the >student pricing scheme be elevated to the next (pun intended) level, >where individuals such as myself can enjoy reasonably priced software >at home. I realize that students are able to prove that they are >such, and this makes the accounting a lot easier, but couldn't we sign >some agreement stating that we would not re-sell any package, or use it >for profit, or some such thing? >-Michael I second this: there should be something between a demo system and a full-blown, well-supported developer package, since there are people (like Michael and yours truly) who aren't students but want to just explore the new technologies for educational purpose! This purchase should be like a credit, so that if we do decide to become a real developer, we can get the full thing with some discount. Danny Schlumberger Technologies, ATE 1601 Technology Drive, San Jose, CA 95115, U.S.A. Phone: +1 408-437-5154 FAX: +1 408-437-5246 Internet: kumamoto@San-Jose.ate.slb.com
From: pmarc@zapotec.math.byu.edu ( Paul Marshall Cardon II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Jana Publishing and Paul Marcos Date: 23 Mar 1994 01:10:25 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mo4u1$r4j@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <60.29954.4902.0N1990AD@canrem.com> Jana (jana@canrem.com) wrote: : promised to work with us on 6 CD's. When I asked him for the NeXT : software he was collecting, he sent me a tape saying it had about 100 : Megs on it. Since I did not have a NeXT at that time, I belived him and : sent the tape to mastering at the CD plant. Once the Mastering was : finished, the CD was sent to all the subscribers and the tape was sent : back to Paul. Few weeks later we started geting calls from subscribers : saying that the CD had only 4 Megs of NeXT software. First we thought : the problem was at the manufacturing plant, but then found out that the : tape Paul sent did not have the "about 100" meg he promissed but rather : 4 Meg. I trusted him, but he screwed me. When every thing came to light I don't know how much faith I have in an organization that doesn't verify a product which people must pay for. That is both foolish business practice and irresponsible to the consumer. Later, Paul M. Cardon NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Brigham Young University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Which Sound Card Do YOU Want? Message-ID: <1994Mar23.011352.19078@adobe.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 01:13:52 GMT PLEASE REPLY VIA E-MAIL. I have a Pentium VLB/ISA system. I tried a Pro Audio 16 Basic. It can't do sampling above 22Khz/16-bit stereo without crashing my system. It can't use any 16-bit DMA on my system without hanging my SCSI bus. This isn't NeXT's fault, since the card fails in DOS/Windows as well. I don't want the Microsoft WSS, and the others aren't relevant. So tell me which sound card I should get. I don't want to waste time and money writing a driver, but if I have to, I will. If I do, I'll make sources available shareware. If you are working on a driver for some card, I'll gladly use your driver instead, even if you want a little money for it. Note: your driver has to do full 44khz 16-bit stereo record and play in NEXTSTEP, and the card must do the same obviously, along with good Windows support, Wave MIDI, and good DOS game support. Here are some options. Send me your vote via E-mail by April 1st. I'll send the results to NeXT to help motivate them to do a new driver. 1) SoundBlaster 16. [*] 2) Orchid SoundWave 32. [**] 3) Reveal SoundFXWave 32. [**] 4) Turtle Beach Monterey (no DOS game support, but the best MIDI). 5) Turtle Beach Tahiti+Maui. 5) Advanced Gravis Ultrasound. [***] 6) Other: (name it) [*] I know of two people doing 8-bit drivers for NEXTSTEP, and I have the BSD/GNU 8-bit driver sources. If someone (like NeXT) is doing a 16-bit driver, please let me know. Note: Creative Labs driver kit is only $99. [**] I believe these cards claim Microsoft WSS compatability, so there is a chance that they will "just work" in NEXTSTEP with the WSS driver. Has anyone tried this? [***] This card has lots of problems (no 16-bit record without an optional upgrade, poor Windows support, small 256K Wave sample store, etc.), but seems to be very popular, and has a GNU/Linux driver available. I'll consider it only if someone can convince me that it is overwhelmingly the best choice. I really don't want to write a driver, but if I'm forced to, I will, and if so, I'd rather that other people got some use out of it, so I don't want to get a card that no one else uses. What do you say? Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUBMISSION: GraphBuilder - Printing Online Manual Date: 22 Mar 1994 22:26:53 -0500 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <2moctt$o6p@digifix.digifix.com> References: <2mo12k$egq@network.ucsd.edu> Carl Lowenstein writes > In article <2md9m3$ppp@digifix.digifix.com> Graph Sales > <graphing@mttam.com> writes: > > GraphBuilder - Printing Online Manual > > > > Now users of GraphBuilder can print the online manual at the press of a > > button, even if you obtained GraphBuilder from an ftp site, by using the > > application "printOnlineDocs". This application is located on the ftp > > archive site cs.orst.edu, please see below for details. > > A quick electronic trip to cs.orst.edu this afternoon found that > /pub/next/submissions was essentially wiped clean. There was no evidence > that things like GraphBuilder and its friends had been moved to another > directory. I hope this is only a transient phenomenon. Yes and no.... The submissions directory was finally sorted out and the keepers put away and the others junked... The GraphBuilder that was there was deleted because it was not packaged properly... this was done with the prior knowledge of Edward... (GraphBuilder guy) There will be a new GraphBuilder out next week apparently, and that will then be put where it needs to be next/demos/graphics... -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: serge@dadofsam.Princeton.EDU Subject: Re: Operating NeXTStation Headlessly Message-ID: <1994Mar22.161509.4416@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <TSPENCER.94Mar21184652@kiwi.mccaw.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:15:09 GMT In article <TSPENCER.94Mar21184652@kiwi.mccaw.com> tspencer@kiwi.mccaw.com (Tim Spencer) writes: > In article <743MBO6K@gwdu03.gwdg.de> mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: > > David Bradford (dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu) wrote: > > : I have two NeXTStations networked and I would like tho know if > : there is software/hardware out there to operate one or more slabs > : headless - without monitor or keyboard. > > : I figure that the biggest problem is turning the machine on. I figure > : it will probably boot off of the net if I set it up as a diskless > : client. Then I could either remotely login or "tip" over via the serial > : ports. > > : Does anyone have any experience with this? Any suggestions or > : help will be much appreciated. > > Get a Soundbox! Then you can turn on the computer by plugging in > a keyboard in the Soundbox. > > If you have an ADB turbo box... Or actually, I think that > there are some non ADB boxes that have this ROM feature... Anyways, > if you have the right ROM version, you can specify in the Preferences > app for the machine to turn on right after powerfail. Then, if you > specify in the ROM monitor for the console to be on serial port A, and > disable the loginwindow in /etc/ttys, the machine will boot up as soon > as it gets power, and all console i/o will go out serial port A. > > We have several here in our room for NXHosting the few > remaining black only apps that we need. It's been a while since I set > one up like that, so the details above may be a bit vague, but the > intent is correct at least. > > Hope you can use this info! Have fun!! > > > -- > Tim Spencer: McCaw NeXT Technical Analyst tim.spencer@mccaw.com > (206)915-5988 :-) NeXTMail welcome!! If your NeXT doesn't support the "power-on at power-off" ROM facility, you can build a plug for it that shorts out the right pins. Here's a copy of some mail I got with the details (we are doing this with a NeXT 25mhz station, and it works fine): From: shayman@Objectario.com (Steve Hayman) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:52:24 -0500 To: "Serge J. Goldstein" <serge@Princeton.EDU> Subject: Re: Using serial port A as an alternate console Reply-To: shayman@Objectario.com Aha, here it is (in my old "User's Reference" document from the NeXTSTEP 1.0 days) Pin 6 is "MON PWR SWITCH" If you short this to one of the ground pins - pins 13-19 are ground on this connector - then that's the same as the power key being pressed. good luck, steve Serge J. Goldstein
From: Kris Magnusson <kris@alpine.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where to get 2.88M floppies Date: 22 Mar 1994 21:38:34 -0800 Organization: Alpine Computing MicroAge NEXTSTEP and Unix Sales Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mokkq$gs@magnusson.alpine.com> References: <CMIFr7.17x@tms-gmbh.de> In article <CMIFr7.17x@tms-gmbh.de> gerti@tms-gmbh.de (Gerd Knops) writes: <stuff deleted> > > found any reference to where to buy 2.88M (ED)floppies. I really > > need one for an emergency boot disk for my '040 Cube. Any suggestions > for > > mail order places or local stores in MA would be greatly appreciated! > > > > Seems like no other computers use 2.88M floppies besides black NeXTs. This is the first time I've used NewsGrazer for posting for some time. Let's see if it works. Anyone who can order through the Ingram Micro D. catalog can order Toshiba 2.88 MB floppies. That's usually anyone who sells computers and breathes. Egghead springs readily to mind. Incidentally, other machines, notably IBM PS/2s and DECpc XLs, use 2.88 MB floppies. I wouldn't be surprised to see NeXT support 2.88 MB floppies on PCs in the near term. --- Kristopher Magnusson +1 800 748 4558 NEXTSTEP and UNIX SALES NeXTmail <kris@alpine.com> ``You're dead, all of you! Frank Sinatra, testifying at Dead, dead, dead!'' a Senate hearing on the Mafia NeXTmail <kris@alpine.com> ``You're dead, al -- Kristopher Magnusson +1 800 748 4558 NEXTSTEP and UNIX SALES NeXTmail <kris@alpine.com> ``You're dead, all of you! Frank Sinatra, testifying at Dead, dead, dead!'' a Senate hearing on the Mafia
From: hironobu@sra.CO.JP (Hironobu SUZUKI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NXBench and other benchmarking aids Date: 23 Mar 1994 06:46:32 GMT Organization: Software Research Associates, Inc., Japan Distribution: world Message-ID: <HIRONOBU.94Mar23154632@sran265.sra.CO.JP> References: <RMS.94Mar20145400@netcom.netcom.com> In-reply-to: rms@netcom.netcom.com's message of Sun, 20 Mar 1994 22:53:59 GMT In article <RMS.94Mar20145400@netcom.netcom.com> rms@netcom.netcom.com (Robert M. Searfus) writes: >> >>Can someone point me to the source for NXBench (as well as other software >>useful in benchmarking a NEXTSTEP/UNIX environment)? You can get ByteBenchmark.tar.gz from sonata.cc.purdue.edu: pub/next/submissions. This archive file came from Byte magazine's UNIX banchmark and its some codes was changed for NEXTSTEP. It's included executable MAB files and source code. --hironobu
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need DigitalEye software Date: 23 Mar 1994 04:35:05 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403230915.AA28199@dcs.shef.ac.uk> > I inherited a NeXT with a DigitalEye peripheral, which > I think is a video frame grabber which plugs into the > DSP port. Where can I get the software to run it? E-mail > appreciated. > From MetaResearch; try lee@metaresearch.com Have fun, mmalcolm. --- SHeffield Auditory Group | Vox : (+44) 742 768555 ext 5569 Dept. Computer Science | direct : 825569 Sheffield University | Fax : (+44) 742 780972 Regent Court | Email: malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk 211 Portobello Street | (NeXTMail welcome) Sheffield S1 4DP, UK. | (Read-Receipts discouraged :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.next.hardware,comp.next.advocacy From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <Cn3ux1.224@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 06:48:36 GMT Motorola announced a surface mounted 66/33MHz 68040 with a doubled internal clock speed. Don't know all the details but it was in Micro Times dated March 22. Now since the part is a surface mount part all that is needed to speed up an original NeXT '040 would be a daughterboard that has the normal '040 pins on the bottom and this chip mounted on the top. I have seen a similar setup on some 486sx machines when Intel released the first surface mount type 486sx. Now this is real cool. Almost a doube in speed for the cost of a chip and a small circuit board. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: JANA address? Message-ID: <CMy3w8.610@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <dcodeCMxvyK.1Ms@netcom.com> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 04:16:56 GMT In article <dcodeCMxvyK.1Ms@netcom.com> dcode@netcom.com (Paul Marcos) writes: #In article <CMwBBr.59F@infoserv.com>, <kent@infoserv.com> wrote: #>Actually I got one disc that was unusable. #> #>They had nerve enough to demand an apology from me #>via email for what I said. #> #>I don't apologize. Those are my feelings and opinion. #>I have spent money and haven't gotten what was entitled. #>So if they want an apology from me they had better send some discs. #> #>They also threatened to contact my email provider for my post. #>Since I pay my money for this feed I'll say what I please. #> # #Funny, that's like the conversations I have had with Jay since #I made my last post expressing my opinions about Jana Publishing. #Jay even took it one step further and has been threatening me #with a lawsuit for several weeks now. Also, Jay has threatened #to take "revenge" on me for my post. I have a UUCP feed and he got mad because I didn't reply immediately to his email which I hadn't even got yet. Anyway he threatened to sick his lawyers on me. Ooooohhhhhh! I'm so frightened. ;-} I don't understand, if I had done what Jana did, i.e. taken money and not delivered on the goods and promises people would be all over me. He may not like what I said or how I said it but seeing that this is a "free" country with "free" speach. I can say anything I chose, excluding statements that would cause a serious threat to the public (fire in a movie, etc.) and lies. By stating what I feel/felt about Jana getting my cash and not seeing any product I haven't broken any laws or told any lies. I have no faith in Jana since I have gotten very little for my money. THe same can be said for NW magazin a while ago. If folks don't like what I said, oh well. The'll get over it, or they won't. Either way I don't care! # #I don't know if Canada has the equivalent of a Better Business #Bureau, but I would think that would be a good way to go if you #sent them money and haven't gotten what you paid for. It would cost me more in time than it is worth. I'll have to write letters and make phone calls. it's much easier to post *MY* opinion and send Jana/Jay into a rage. It's also more fun. When I get the CD's I paid for, or when they ship the next one. I'll lay off. #If you're interested in more information or would like some #assistance dealing with Jana Publishing and Jay, please feel #free to contact me at dcode@netcom.com The offer is nice but Jay doesn't frighten me. I also invite him to contact my email provider and send his lawyers. I still say, and this is *MY* opinion, SCREW JANA! My opnion stands until I start seeing some products. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Can I mount logical/extended DOS part. ? Message-ID: <Cn3yF7.647@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <boonlow.764317408@sfu.ca> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:04:19 GMT In article <boonlow.764317408@sfu.ca> boonlow@fraser.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) writes: >Hey , > I am running NS 3.2 on a PC. NS is on the SCSI drive and it >will automatically mount my IDE drive but ONLY the first primary[ C: ] >partition. > >Is there a way I can mount my extended/logical DOS partition ? I don't think so. I formatted my DOS partitions as primary. When I login both are there. However if I log out and then in again then the 2cond (the one on the disk which just DOS-D:) then it disappears. Odd... >I called NeXT tech-support and they said it cannot be done. >Only primary partition is supported under NS. >Can anyone varify this ? This looks to be the case. >I run Linux and I have no problems mounting my extended/logical partition >from there, therefore, I am still pretty hopefull that it can be done. I doubt it! But I guess anything is possible. Linux is not NS though... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: msander@bcarh63f.bnr.ca (Michael Sanderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Submissions to bcarh50b (47.141.3.161) Date: 23 Mar 1994 13:35:00 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Sender: msander@bcarh63f (Michael Sanderson) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mpgi4$bvg@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <2mnlvg$mkq@bmerha64.bnr.ca> <2mo5p0$cn2@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <2mo5p0$cn2@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >In article <2mnlvg$mkq@bmerha64.bnr.ca> msander@bcarh63f.bnr.ca (Michael >Sanderson) writes: >> >> [stuff about ftp submissions deleted >> >Excuse my ignorance, but what does this do? >Is it one of those things that one doesn't need unless you already >know what it is? The submission post was meant to be kept within BNR, otherwise I'd let Scott do the posting ... somehow it escaped. Sorry for the confusion. BTW NeXTYahtzee is (IMHO) a really good NS interface to the tripple-yahtzee game, Sniff is a public-sound-server Sniffle generator. i.e. it makes your NeXT appear to have a cold, because it 'sniffs' every now and then. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael R. Sanderson a.k.a msander@bnr.ca (NeXT Mail Accepted) My opinions are my own, which is good 'cause nobody else wants 'em
From: bscott@bnext.gatech.edu (Ben Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Powerhouse Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 23 Mar 1994 15:00:06 GMT Organization: Go Jackets Distribution: world Message-ID: <bscott-230394100542@carnadmin.gatech.edu> I am trying to find more information about a company called POWERHOUSE. This company makes computers based on the PowerPC chip. The reason I am posting here is that the people of POWERHOUSE (as I recall) are from NeXT. Please email me with info. Thanks Ben bscott@bnext.gatech.edu
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 23 Mar 1994 05:15:44 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2moja0$6rb@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2mhu08$6rm@portal.gmu.edu> <1994Mar21.174957.1241@gamelan.uucp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: bzzzt wrong Sorry that's not correct. the 28.8K is an Uncompressed speed, the figure there is equivilent to the 14.4K speed that a 38400 modem get's without any compression. The compressed speed that a V.fast modem is capable of is well over 1 meg per second, and ther's no way in hell that the OS is going to handle it stock. If you're going to try and shove data through tty(x) the tty has to be able to process the data at the speed you want to send it. As far as I know NeXT's stock speed limit's are "extb" as defined in the "stty" man page. As far as I know there's no "stock" way to go any higher. if I'm missing something or if the man pages are incorrect I'd love to hear it. Tim
From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUBMISSION: GraphBuilder - Printing Online Manual Date: 23 Mar 1994 07:47:16 -0800 Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego Message-ID: <2mpoa4$670@chiton.ucsd.edu> References: <2md9m3$ppp@digifix.digifix.com> <2mo12k$egq@network.ucsd.edu> In article <2mo12k$egq@network.ucsd.edu> clowenstein@ucsd.edu writes: > >A quick electronic trip to cs.orst.edu this afternoon found that >/pub/next/submissions was essentially wiped clean. There was no evidence >that things like GraphBuilder and its friends had been moved to another >directory. I hope this is only a transient phenomenon. False alarm. I should have known better. It's a well-organized archive, and the submissions have been put away into their proper places. So if you are looking for the GraphBuilder stuff, it can be found in pub/next/demos/graphics. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu clowenstein@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: opus@ipnh.mv.com (David C. Jedlinsky) Subject: Re: TransSys DialUpIp on NS3.2?? Message-ID: <Cn4Iq9.3z@mv.mv.com> Sender: usenet@mv.mv.com (System Administrator) Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 15:22:56 GMT References: <2mnjlv$fv8@nkosi.well.com> In article <2mnjlv$fv8@nkosi.well.com> kenw@well.sf.ca.us (Kenneth A. Worthy) writes: >Has anyone used TransSys DialUpIP with NS3.2? I have tried to install this >recently, and it looks like /etc/ifconfig can't find the slip interface. >I figure maybe the loadable driver is not getting installed correctly. I am running NS3.2 with DialUp IP [920904]. Since I am posting from that machine, if you see this post, SLIP is working. I did a complete install from scratch when I upgraded to 3.2, and I don't recall doing anything strange to get it to work. >Thanks, > >Ken -Dave Jedlinsky opus@ipnh.mv.com
From: wolfgang@neptun.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Wolfgang Pusch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Using alternate key as a modifier key in co-Xist. Date: 23 Mar 1994 15:54:46 GMT Organization: Technical University Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <2mpoo6$3ia@email.tuwien.ac.at> I am working on a NeXTstation with a german keyboard. The X-Windows programm `co-Xist' does not know the german mapping. So i tried to remap the keys for my own. I have written a file .xmodmaprc which has the following contents: keycode 8 = Mode_switch keycode 9 = keycode 10 = keycode 11 = backslash bar keycode 12 = bracketright braceright keycode 13 = bracketleft braceleft keycode 14 = i I keycode 15 = o O keycode 16 = p P keycode 17 = Left keycode 18 = . . . (and so on) . keycode 35 = Delete BackSpace keycode 36 = equal plus keycode 37 = minus underscore keycode 38 = 8 parenleft bracketleft keycode 39 = 9 parenright bracketright keycode 40 = 0 equal braceright keycode 41 = KP_7 . . keycode 124 = keycode 125 = keycode 126 = Control_L keycode 127 = Shift_L keycode 128 = Alt_L keycode 129 = Meta_L keycode 130 = Meta_R keycode 131 = Shift_R keycode 132 = Alt_R keycode 133 = Caps_Lock keycode 134 = keycode 135 = add mod1 = Mode_switch I have used the command xmodmap .xmodmaprc to load the file .xmodmaprc. But everytime i have got an error wolfgang@neptun:~[0]% xmodmap .xmodmaprc xmodmap: bad set modifier mapping. wolfgang@neptun:~[1]% which is caused by the last line in the file. If i delete it, then no error occurs. In this case the remapping works fine for keys which are accessed directly or keys which are accessed with the SHIFT modifier. Selecting keysymbols with the ALTERNATE key(s) as modifier DOES NOT WORK!! The following commands shows the modifiers: wolfgang@neptun:~[0]% xmodmap -pm xmodmap: up to 2 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses): shift Shift_L (0x7f), Shift_R (0x83) lock Caps_Lock (0x85) control Control_L (0x7e) mod1 Alt_L (0x80), Alt_R (0x84) mod2 Meta_L (0x81), Meta_R (0x82) mod3 mod4 What is the problem with the file? If anybody has a file which works well also with the alternate key as a modifier key, then please mail it to me (it does not matter whether it is matched to a german keyboard or not!!) Thanks, Wolfgang -- ===================================================== D.I. Wolfgang PUSCH Institut f. Nachrichtentechnik u. Hochfrequenztechnik, Technische Universitaet Wien, Gusshausstrasse 25/389 A-1040 WIEN Austria Tel: (+43 1) 58 801 - 3522 FAX: (+43 1) 587 05 83 EMAIL: pusch@email.tuwien.ac.at
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.next.hardware,comp.next.advocacy From: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <Cn4JJI.yp@ucdavis.edu> Sender: David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA References: <Cn3ux1.224@infoserv.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 15:40:27 GMT In article <Cn3ux1.224@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: >Motorola announced a surface mounted 66/33MHz 68040 with a doubled >internal clock speed. Don't know all the details but it was in Micro Times >dated March 22. > >Now since the part is a surface mount part all that is needed to speed >up an original NeXT '040 would be a daughterboard that has the normal >'040 pins on the bottom and this chip mounted on the top. > >I have seen a similar setup on some 486sx machines when Intel >released the first surface mount type 486sx. > >Now this is real cool. Almost a doube in speed for the cost of a chip >and a small circuit board. > I am a bit concerned about the impression that increased clock speed translates into increased performance. Now, there may be bottle necks in the motherboard design which could hinder the realization of the full performance capabilities of a faster chip. Does anyone have any idea exactly what are the limiting factors on the NeXT Motorala machines?? I can think of a few funny things to say but let's keep it to the point. Thanks, David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tevans%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) Subject: NeXT FTP sites? Date: 23 Mar 94 08:24:55 MST Message-ID: <1994Mar23.082456.29187@hellgate.utah.edu> I am looking at buying NeXTStep in about two weeks and I'm wondering where the best places are to find some programs. Please tell me what the major FTP sites are for NeXT apps and utilities. Terry tevans@cs.utah.edu
Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.dcom.modems From: ppregler@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Peter Pregler) Subject: Help connecting SupraFax-Modem to NeXT - modem-manual lost :( Message-ID: <Cn4KFA.LJD@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems Sender: netnews@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Netnews SW Account) Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 15:59:34 GMT Hi all, unfortunately we have lost the documentation to the following modem: A complete package for the Mac, S7 compatible SupraFax - Modem V.32bis, from the Supra Corporation. We want to connect it to a NeXT, help in any direction - either documentation, or configuration hints (e.g. AT&V of a working version) are highly welcome. Is there a standard to the AT-commands a modem does understand? Is this somewhere documented? Thanx, Peter. -- Now have fun - Bruce Sterling. ------------------------------- Email: Peter.Pregler@risc.uni-linz.ac.at Peter Pregler / RISC, University of Linz, Austria
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Date: 23 Mar 1994 17:27:00 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <Cn4JJI.yp@ucdavis.edu> In article <Cn4JJI.yp@ucdavis.edu> dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) writes: > In article <Cn3ux1.224@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: > >Motorola announced a surface mounted 66/33MHz 68040 with a doubled > >internal clock speed. Don't know all the details but it was in Micro Times > >dated March 22. > > Does anyone have any idea exactly what are the limiting factors > on the NeXT Motorala machines?? I can think of a few funny things > to say but let's keep it to the point. Well, memory access will still be at 33 MHz., so I imagine that the CPU will sit around idle at least part of the time waiting for data and instructions. I would think that the i486 model is a good one to look at in trying to determine the effect of internal clock doubling. Did the announcement make any mention of a 68040"DX2/50" - i.e., a 25 MHz. model that might work for the vast majority of NeXT hardware owners? --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: "NeXTWORLD" Expo (was Need for Info - NeXTWorld is Gone!) Date: 23 Mar 1994 17:21:09 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mptq5$fpu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <Pine.3.05.9403212232.C10498-b100000@cais.com> In article <Pine.3.05.9403212232.C10498-b100000@cais.com> bjones@cais.com (Peripheral Solutions) writes: > I guess most of you have heard the news that Integrated Media has > immediately suspended publication of NeXTWorld magazine, effective Monday > March 21st. Even though the staff may have been somewhat biased at times > with their opinions, it still was a very good source of what was going on > in our somewhat constricted environment. Hopefully this was merely a > business decision (i.e not enough subscribers), versus a sign of > things to come. > Assuming this is true, would anyone in the know care to comment what this means for the "NeXTWORLD" Expo? I'd think that the name would have to change, at the very least. I also assume that NeXTWORLD was a major sponsor of the Expo, so without this sponsorship, will the Expo happen as scheduled? Could NeXTWORLD's demise be the reason that DCI recently postponed the preregistration deadline until late April? Are they stalling for time in the hopes that new sponsorship is found? Could (and would) NeXT Computer, Inc. (I don't think they've changed their name back to NeXT, Inc. yet) foot the bill for the Expo themselves? The Expo is a very important event for NeXT, but how important? Should I change the Expo entry on my calendar from ink to pencil ?-) Inquiring minds what to know... --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dond@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com (Don Dupuis) Subject: Transys (SLIP) for Intel? Sender: news@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com (Netnews) Organization: Compaq Computer Corp. Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 17:30:49 GMT Message-ID: <Cn4onD.Ho5@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> Could someone please tell me where to find Transys for Intel?
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "NeXTWORLD" Expo (was Need for Info - NeXTWorld is Gone!) Date: 23 Mar 1994 18:43:41 GMT Organization: Me Message-ID: <2mq2kt$f2a@news.tamu.edu> References: <Pine.3.05.9403212232.C10498-b100000@cais.com> <2mptq5$fpu@darkstar.ucsc.edu> In article <2mptq5$fpu@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, Art Isbell <art@cubicsol.com> wrote: >> > Assuming this is true, would anyone in the know care to comment what >this means for the "NeXTWORLD" Expo? I'd think that the name would have >to change, at the very least. In the press release put out by NeXT, the name was already changed from NeXTWORLD Expo to Nextstep Expo. One can perhaps conclude that NeXT knew of the demise of NeXTWORLD, or that they had already made a decision to put on the Expo without the participation of NeXTWORLD. Lusty
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "NeXTWORLD" Expo (was Need for Info - NeXTWorld is Gone!) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 23 Mar 1994 19:12:49 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mq4bh$1sn@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2mptq5$fpu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Art Isbell writes > Assuming this is true, would anyone in the know care to comment > what this means for the "NeXTWORLD" Expo? I'd think that the > name would have to change, at the very least. As you may have noticed in the latest Nugget News, the name HAS been changed to NeXTSTEP Expo. My suspicion (based purely on external observations) is that NeXTWORLD didn't provide MONEY but PERSONNEL. Several of the events (BoB, Auction, etc.) were handled entirely by NeXTWORLD. In particular, ALL the volunteers were recruited via NeXTWORLD & Co. The real question is whether NOIR [User Group Intnl] will take up that slack (since there was considerable overlap). I suspect several of the features (like BoB) might disappear entirely, unless of course NW resurrects in some form before them. I think the bulk of the conference stuff will happen, but probably with some rough edges (due to fewer, or no, volunteers). And, of course, the "look-and-feel" of the Dans and Simpson will gone. In short, the Corporate types probably won't notice a thing, but us old-timers might very well feel out of place unless somebody (Darren?) steps in to fill their shoes. - Ernie P. [Followups to csn.advocacy, I suggest] -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus' sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 23 Mar 1994 14:42:45 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2mq63l$gm@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. 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From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Simplest Autotracer wanted Date: 23 Mar 1994 21:01:08 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <2mqamk$qa1@news.mic.ucla.edu> I have a one-time need to autotrace a very simple image (a few triangles) to produce a smooth EPS image from a scanned TIFF image. Is there a PD program that does an ok job at simple stuff. (Note: it does not need to be overly intelligent or sophisticated.) Thanks. Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
From: spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Simplest Autotracer wanted Date: 23 Mar 1994 21:29:30 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2mqcbq$54g@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2mqamk$qa1@news.mic.ucla.edu> Ivo Welch writes > I have a one-time need to autotrace a very simple image (a few > triangles) to produce a smooth EPS image from a scanned TIFF > image. > > Is there a PD program that does an ok job at simple stuff. (Note: > it does not need to be overly intelligent or sophisticated.) Virtuoso has an autotrace function. If its a simple image, you might just drop onto any drawing app and trace it manually with the pencil tool. Ciao, Stefano --- Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University, Stanford CA 94305-6084 Tel 415-725-0939, Fax 415-725-7007 Email spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: yackd@washington.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Date: 23 Mar 94 14:47:48 Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mqde3$qao@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <Cn4JJI.yp@ucdavis.edu> <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Originator: yackd@washington.et.byu.edu In article <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: >In article <Cn4JJI.yp@ucdavis.edu> dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David >Bradford) writes: >> In article <Cn3ux1.224@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: >> >Motorola announced a surface mounted 66/33MHz 68040 with a doubled >> >internal clock speed. Don't know all the details but it was in Micro >Times >> >dated March 22. >> >> Does anyone have any idea exactly what are the limiting factors >> on the NeXT Motorala machines?? I can think of a few funny things >> to say but let's keep it to the point. > > Well, memory access will still be at 33 MHz., so I imagine that the CPU >will sit around idle at least part of the time waiting for data and >instructions. I would think that the i486 model is a good one to look at >in trying to determine the effect of internal clock doubling. > Did the announcement make any mention of a 68040"DX2/50" - i.e., a 25 >MHz. model that might work for the vast majority of NeXT hardware owners? I'm sure the 33MHz part would work in a 25MHz box--the 33MHz is the max speed you can clock it at, not the minimum. It's probably not like the low power Intel chips that can go static, though, so there probably is a minimum clock speed, but it's most likely a lot lower than 25MHz. However, as you say, you won't get x2 performance boosts. Memory intensive and I/O intensive things will stay about the same because the bus hasn't sped up at all. But any heavy computation intensive things that run in fairly tight loops that can fit into the built in CPU cache will scream. So you'd get a really fast Mandlebrot.app (or my Lyapunov.app), image processing stuff will speed up a lit, compression/decompression will speed up, etc. Any application that uses the CPU more than the system bus will speed up significantly but screen redraws and such will likely stay approximately the same as now. There will probably still be a slight improvement there, too, though, since I suspect that the NeXTbus isn't always used to it's full bandwidth capacity; with a clock doubled CPU, though, it would run a lot closer to maximum bandwidth. Just the same, it would be an improvement over what we have. It's all guesswork, but because the NeXT motherboard is such a good design I'd say that the improvement would be better than what you'd get from doubling your typical PC motherboard, though not by a lot. The biggest catch is: how much would it cost? If I could make my 25MHz box run as fast as a Turbo for $500 or less, then it's worth getting. And for my Turbo, well, for $500 that wouldn't be too bad... So, who's gonna make them? :-) -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing. don@darth.byu.edu (My NeXT at home. Send me NeXTMail. Pleeeease.)
From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Date: 23 Mar 1994 22:04:06 GMT Organization: Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mqecm$5ev@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> In article <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: > I would think that the i486 model is a good one to look at > in trying to determine the effect of internal clock doubling. > Did the announcement make any mention of a 68040"DX2/50" - i.e., a 25 > MHz. model that might work for the vast majority of NeXT hardware owners? As an answer to both of these, the figure I usually see for the 486DX2 family is 70% of running (non-doubled) at the faster clock. Thus for a '040 25MHZ doubler, you'd end up with a speed comparible to having a 35MHZ system -- so looking into doing a pizza box swap for a 33MHZ turbo on the used market may be a better approach to a non-turbo upgrade if the results are similar to the 486. - Christopher
From: mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Monitor To Macintosh Quadra? Yes! Date: 23 Mar 1994 21:31:31 GMT Organization: University of California, Riverside Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mqcfj$sv1@galaxy.ucr.edu> References: <2m5nth$t04@cedar.mr.net> Would you like to enlighten us as to how the cable was built so others can try this too?
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Poet or other OODB on top of NEXTSTEP Date: 23 Mar 1994 18:21:54 GMT Organization: E&S Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mq1c2$e5f@cnn.sim.ES.COM> References: <2mbric$lir@news-rocq.inria.fr> In article lir@news-rocq.inria.fr, altadm@nuri.inria.fr (administrateur altair) writes: > > O2 is available on NextStep. O2 is the OODBMS from O2Technology > > Contact: > > O2 Technology > 7, rue du parc de Clagny > 78035 Versailles Cedex > France > Tel 33 (1) 30 84 77 77 > Fax 33 (1) 30 84 77 90 > > North American Office > O2 Technology, Inc. > 2685 Marine Vay - Suite 1220 > Mountain View - Ca 94043 > Usa > Phone 415 969 2333 > Fax 415 964 20 27 Anybody know what O2 costs? I've studied O2 (Read "Building An Object-Oriented Database System, the Story of O2", Morgan Kaufmann Publishers, ISBN #1-55860-169-4). It's design seems to be a *very* good match with an Objective-C based system. I like the design. Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <Cn53FD.68@cc.umontreal.ca> Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal References: <Cn4JJI.yp@ucdavis.edu> <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 22:50:00 GMT Art Isbell (art@cubicsol.com) wrote: : Did the announcement make any mention of a 68040"DX2/50" - i.e., a 25 : MHz. model that might work for the vast majority of NeXT hardware owners? I was always under the impression that the 25Mhz motorola in black hardware was already internally clock doubled. (50Mhz). In fact, I remember a guy who built a 50Mhz accelerator for an Atari which praised NeXT for not being idiots and claiming their next's were 50Mhz, because they were actually internally clock doubled. Also read this on these NeXT newsgroups a while back too. -- "The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing of it's existence." -- Thufir Hawat, Mentat.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.amiga.misc,comp.os.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: ra_warr@pavo.concordia.ca (Rosemary Warren, Technical Writer) Subject: Wanted/Urgent: Sales Figures... Message-ID: <23MAR199417502435@pavo.concordia.ca> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Keywords: sales, os/2, mac, windows, nextstep, amiga Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Concordia University Distribution: na Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 22:50:00 GMT i am trying to find *reliable* sales figures (in units) worldwide and for *canada* for the following operating systems: microsoft windows os/2 macintosh system nextstep (intel) amiga workbench i am looking at number of registered users, so that i can prepare a market-penetration graph for an academic paper. calling the manufacturers directly results in telephone tag. :( if anyone knows where ii can lay my hands on these figures before the end of the week, please email me asap. thanks. "Communication -- see the words, Are you there, can i be heard?" -- Janet Jackson, "Communication" Rosemary Warren ra_warr@pavo.concordia.ca Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <1994Mar24.011903.13570@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. References: <Cn4JJI.yp@ucdavis.edu> <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <Cn53FD.68@cc.umontreal.ca> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 01:19:03 GMT Kosmatos Odisseas (kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA) wrote: : I was always under the impression that the 25Mhz motorola in black : hardware was already internally clock doubled. (50Mhz). In fact, : I remember a guy who built a 50Mhz accelerator for an Atari which : praised NeXT for not being idiots and claiming their next's were : 50Mhz, because they were actually internally clock doubled. Also : read this on these NeXT newsgroups a while back too. Nope. Apparently, it was a red herring. At least that's what I've heard a few times. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <1994Mar24.012314.13754@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. References: <Cn4JJI.yp@ucdavis.edu> <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <2mqde3$qao@bones.et.byu.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 01:23:14 GMT Don Yacktman (yackd@washington.et.byu.edu) wrote: : The biggest catch is: how much would it cost? If I : could make my 25MHz box run as fast as a Turbo for $500 or less, : then it's worth getting. And for my Turbo, well, for $500 that : wouldn't be too bad... If it's too expensive, (>$1000) it might be more worthwhile to get the 060 board that's being developed. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Simplest Autotracer wanted Date: 24 Mar 1994 02:03:53 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <2mqse9$1dl@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <2mqamk$qa1@news.mic.ucla.edu> <2mqcbq$54g@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> A kind soul has done the job for me, so I no longer need the Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Subject: Re: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) Message-ID: <Cn5Dos.7DM@belly.in-berlin.de> Keywords: serial speed 57600 Sender: usenet@belly.in-berlin.de Organization: - none - References: <2moja0$6rb@portal.gmu.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 02:31:39 GMT In article <2moja0$6rb@portal.gmu.edu> tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) writes: > > > Sorry that's not correct. > > the 28.8K is an Uncompressed speed, the figure there is > equivilent to the 14.4K speed that a 38400 modem get's without any > compression. The compressed speed that a V.fast modem is capable of is > well over 1 meg per second, and ther's no way in hell that the OS is > going to handle it stock. Well - I'm running a uucp connection and almost everything going over the line between computer and modem is already compressed (using gzip). This way, the compression built into the modem can _not_ increase the throughput very much. If the modem would be a V.fast modem I would still have nearly 28Kbits/sec on the tty. If you are using modem's compression heavily, e.g. transferring uncompressed data from computer to modem, you're right and you will need a much higher speed than 28K, but I don't think this is the normal case (I don't know if the common SLIP-Packages do compression of data-packets or if they rely on modem's compression. Would someone with more knowledge please clear this?) Back to my uucp-connection: I just configured it to 57600Bit/s - inspired by one of the previous posters who stated that his cube was doing 57600 using TipTop. The man page does _not_ say it's possible, but if you look at /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/sys/ttydev.h you'll find an entry for this speed (B57600). I'm using Taylor-UUCP 1.04 and it just works :-) Btw.: NeXTstation Mono, 25Mhz. Have fun! -- Axel Habermann \\|// "Wenn Du nicht kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (NeXT-Mail) )o o( weisst was Du kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (NO NeXT-Mail) \ | / tust, mach's FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 \~/ mit Eleganz!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rscott@netcom.com (Robert S. Scott) Subject: Re: Where to get 2.88M floppies Message-ID: <rscottCn5qIx.LC0@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <CMIFr7.17x@tms-gmbh.de> <2mokkq$gs@magnusson.alpine.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 07:08:57 GMT In article <2mokkq$gs@magnusson.alpine.com> kris@alpine.com writes: >In article <CMIFr7.17x@tms-gmbh.de> gerti@tms-gmbh.de (Gerd Knops) writes: > ><stuff deleted> > >> > found any reference to where to buy 2.88M (ED)floppies. I really >> > need one for an emergency boot disk for my '040 Cube. Any suggestions >> for >> > mail order places or local stores in MA would be greatly appreciated! >> > >> > Seems like no other computers use 2.88M floppies besides black NeXTs. > ><more stuff deleted> > Drill a hole in a 1.4meg floppy where the 2.8 has one. Then tape over the original hole. That's the hole story. Just reformat. C Dvorak
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jtainio@siika.ratol.fi (Jukka Tainio) Subject: Re: NeXT FTP sites? Message-ID: <1994Mar24.071719.10608@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@ousrvr.oulu.fi Organization: Raahe institute of computer technology, Raahe, Finland References: <1994Mar23.082456.29187@hellgate.utah.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 07:17:19 GMT Terry Evans (tevans%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu) wrote: : I am looking at buying NeXTStep in about two weeks and I'm wondering : where the best places are to find some programs. Please tell me what : the major FTP sites are for NeXT apps and utilities. : Terry : tevans@cs.utah.edu You can try ftp.cs.orst.edu and ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de -- ***************************** * Jukka Tainio * * jtainio@ratol.fi * *****************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@drefla.mese.com (Matt Brandt) Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <1994Mar24.044852.5569@drefla.mese.com> Sender: matt@drefla.mese.com Organization: Walking Dog Design Inc. References: <Cn3ux1.224@infoserv.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 04:48:52 GMT In article <Cn3ux1.224@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: > Motorola announced a surface mounted 66/33MHz 68040 with a doubled > internal clock speed. Don't know all the details but it was in Micro Times > dated March 22. > I think there is a misunderstanding here. What is probably being announced isn't really a new part but a new package (surface mount). The 68040 already has a double speed internal clock, that is if the part is a 33Mhz 68040 then the internal clock is already 66Mhz. They have been this way from the beginning. This is the first announcement I have seen of a surface mount part at that speed though... Matt -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Brandt | If the people will lead matt@drefla.mese.com | then the leaders will follow
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 24 Mar 1994 12:50:20 GMT Organization: George Mason University. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ms2ac$q8m@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2moja0$6rb@portal.gmu.edu> <Cn5Dos.7DM@belly.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: cool stuff Keywords: serial speed 57600 I'd begun to suspect there was an undocumented 57.6 in the thing. I've been shoving data through my tty in "raw" mode in the hopes that this is the case after setting things to 57.6 where it's been applicable to do it. Hrmm it goes along with all the rest of the undocumented stuff creeping around in the OS quite well... You're right of course about sending pre-compressed data, but from what I understand modern hardware compression is supposed to be better that what you can get via stuff like gzip (allthough marginaly better than gzip from what I understand.) & I know for sure it's better than "compress" gives. As for cslip, you're gonna see a gain cause it's only header compression, not data compression, and even that compression isn't all that great. I'd not even consider running regular SLIP without using the modems compression. & to be perfectly honest when I look at the performance diffrence I get from running TTYDSP vs. running the native serial port, well, I'm never gonna go back. I ~like~ not having large chunks of my processor time eaten up by transfers... That and never having to see "zs%d: recv buffer overrun." is quite nice. In any case, especially based on the experience I've had sending various types of data etc. via both mediums, there's no way in hell I'd run a 28.8K modem and try to shove the data through even a 57.6 pipe, when I can get a realistic 3 times that with compression, even if not all the time. Tim
From: af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Improved "Date" application ? Date: 24 Mar 94 13:44:05 GMT Organization: Universites Paris VI/Paris VII - France Distribution: world Message-ID: <af.764516645@iaka> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: date nextstep next Hello, Some older version of NeXTstep (2.x?) seemed to include a datebook application which has disappeared from the most recent releases. It's nice except it does not allow any kind of agenda sharing between people (e.g. someone and his/her secretary) apart from sharing the file itself. Does anyone know of a better version of this or another utility (which would presumably include a daemon to implement shared access to agenda files, sending of reminders etc.) ? It doesn't really have to use the NeXTstep GUI, even a character-cell application would do. Thanks for any help, _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health Research Labs 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (*no* NeXTmail !) Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: Where to get 2.88M floppies Message-ID: <Cn51s3.57v@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <CMIFr7.17x@tms-gmbh.de> <2mokkq$gs@magnusson.alpine.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 22:14:26 GMT In article <2mokkq$gs@magnusson.alpine.com> kris@alpine.com writes: >In article <CMIFr7.17x@tms-gmbh.de> gerti@tms-gmbh.de (Gerd Knops) writes: > ><stuff deleted> > >> > found any reference to where to buy 2.88M (ED)floppies. I really >> > need one for an emergency boot disk for my '040 Cube. Any suggestions >> for >> > mail order places or local stores in MA would be greatly appreciated! [munch] PC Connection, still available through 1-800-800-NEXT :-), sell 2.88MB floppies. I just bought some at $24.95/10-pack. david -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@trillium.ab.ca | (Albert Einstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tevans%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) Subject: NeXTStep Edu. vs Normal version?? Date: 24 Mar 94 08:13:04 MST Message-ID: <1994Mar24.081305.13098@hellgate.utah.edu> I am currently a student and I am going to buy NeXTStep through the bookstore here. Somebody in the .marketplace group said that they were selling a "fully licensed" (or somthing like that) version of NeXTStep and not the educational version. Could somebody plese tell me the differences between the two? I thought that they were exactly the same as far as features, upgradability, etc. Thanks! Terry tevans@cs.utah.edu
From: strobel@valium.phys.washington.edu (Nicolas Strobel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Jana Publishing and Paul Marcos Date: 24 Mar 94 20:55:13 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <strobel.764542513@valium> References: <60.29954.4902.0N1990AD@canrem.com> jana@canrem.com (Jana) writes: >Hello, > We would like to set few things clear. The only reson the CD was >late is that we are collecting software for it. We could have put out a >CD with 40 Megs of software but we chose the other way. If you have any >question you are well come to talke to us by calling 1-800-363-2083 or >E-Mail christina@jana.com. Christina is our custermer service rep in >charge of the NeXT CD's. > We offer a low cost CD. At about 10 dollers, this is the best >value out there. Lot of software houses who did NeXT software have gone >under since there is not a big market to suport it. Infact we do not >make any money on the NeXT side, but we are still doing this because we >made a promised to people and we want to keep it up. Like the big boys >we could have just walked to the state filing office and did a Chapter >11, but we did not do it, We know that the NeXT market will grow and we >are on it for the long run. > Please call us before you post some thing, the call is free, or >if you want E-Mail us and we can call you, even if you live outside of >US. Well, I have emailed and phoned in the past and got the standard reply, "It'll be out in a few weeks". This was for the issue around November. I then found out on the net that there were problems with this issue (only 4 Megs usable, etc.)--I never received the defective issue at all. I also called in December about my subscription and got the story about the defective issue and that a replacement would be out "in a few weeks". (It's the end of March now, Jana.) To top it off, Jay could not readily locate my subscription order for the YEAR's subscription of 6 cdroms. I've got the $59+ VISA bill to prove I ordered the 6 issues of the cdrom news. Jay said he'd get back to me (he never did). As of now, I don't know if I'm in their database--I'm probably not (though with this post I'll probably be put in their lawsuit database). Go ahead and call them up if you're bored and want to get the runaround. Also multiply any time estimate they give by 10 (at least). >Thanks very much. ...for your money sucker (uh, for the lawyers, that's my addition to his line) >Jay and other at Jana Publishing >1-800-363-2083 >For faster reply E-Mail to : Jay@jana.com. my email is even faster, Nick strobel@astro.washington.edu
From: strobel@valium.phys.washington.edu (Nicolas Strobel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA address? Date: 24 Mar 94 20:37:11 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <strobel.764541431@valium> References: <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> <94076.0031063JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <3JJN3@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes: >Hi, There phone number is 1-800-363-2083. >There E-Mail addres is christina@jana.com (She is in charge of custermer >suport ). >If you are looking for the upcoming CD it should be out in few weeks, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well, I've heard this many times before from him and the folks at JANA. Don't hold your breath waiting for the cdrom. The only cdrom I received was the May/June 1993 expo special and the promised bimonthly issues after that never came. It has been several months now after the "out in a few weeks" quoted several times to me from the Jana folks. >I will ask some one to post the file list on the net in few days. >From what I know it has about 200 MB of NEW files for the black. >Jay >PS : I work for Jana part-time, if you want to E-Mail me about >Jana please send it to jay@jana.com. My experience with Jana has been shared by others. I'm done griping now... Nick strobel@astro.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kenw@tfs.com (Ken Worthy) Subject: Using the NeXTStep GUI on a X server terminal Message-ID: <Cn6wC8.2u4@tfs.com> Organization: TRW Financial Systems, Oakland, CA Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 22:12:07 GMT My NeXTCube (NS 3.2) will soon be connecting to the net where I work via SLIP. All of the displays at work are either X-servers or Openwindows. It would be very cute and useful to be able to use one of the displays at work to run NeXTStep applications from my home cube. It would also be a great marketing plus for NS (all those people in all of those X-shops seeing NeXTStep applications on their friends' terminals). Does this capability already exist? Is anyone thinking of doing it? I know that co-Xist does something like this, but it's the opposite, of what I want, I think. I realize this may be very difficult to do and that the result may be very slow because of having to do a lot of mapping, etc. Ken Worthy in Oakland, CA
From: ssircar@NeXT.COM Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Modems and CDs and Drives, Oh My! Date: 24 Mar 1994 17:10:50 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403242310.AA03040@NeXT.COM> I originally asked about modems and CD-ROM drives that would work with both a Mac and a NeXT (black). I received the following information: All of the following noted that the Apple CD-150/300 series work just fine with the NeXT. yosikazu@sraco1.us.sra.co.jp (Yoshikazu Hayashi) gordie@kaleida.com jbf@mbunix.mitre.org (Barney Frazer) Robert Nicholson <robert@steffi.demon.co.uk> lsherman@nextworld.com (Lee Sherman) Robert Nicholson also noted: >don't buy anything other than a Zyxel 1496-E (street price 250) Barney Frazer wrote: >I use a Hayes Ultra modem on both with no problem (get the >shareware zmodem program for the Mac, about to be updated, >and the shareware tiptop for the NeXT, or Microphone II if >you prefer shrinkwrap, unless you really need fancy >terminal emulation, then get Versaterm for the ac and >communicae for the NeXT). You will need a special cable >for the NeXT, as I recall. Probably have to make it youself. Thanks to all who responded! --- Subrata Sircar | ssircar@next.com | Prophet & SPAMIT Charter Member Next Computer and I do not share the same views on everything. "I'm just mad that I missed the sexual revolution." - me "Yes, but you dress much better as a result." - Mike
From: dnelson@scrinext.scri.fsu.edu (Dru Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Reboot to DOS? Date: 24 Mar 1994 22:29:50 GMT Organization: Florida State University Message-ID: <2mt48u$95a@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <2mngqd$m8k@ftp-p.mccaw.com> Hello, It works on mine. Check to see if the active flag is set on the DOS partition. That is the only thing I can think of. Dru David Geary (david.geary@mccaw.com) wrote: : I've got a disk partitioned for DOS (no flames, please) and NeXT. When I click : the restart button on the NeXT login panel, I get a panel which has a button : which says (SomethingLike) "Reboot to DOS". When I click the button, it gives : me the "Select d for DOS, n for NEXTSTEP", and, if I do nothing, boots into NS. : Anyone know how to get the "Reboot to DOS" to reboot to DOS? : -- : // David Geary "I think you better turn your ticket in and : // get your money back at the door" : // david.geary@mccaw.com : // NeXTMail Welcome
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,sci.crypt Subject: Mail public key encryption & OS encryption Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc, sci.crypt Date: 24 Mar 1994 23:57:11 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mt9cn$5n8@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: things that make ya go hmm... I was poking around my OS (as I am wont to do occasionaly) and came across some pretty intersting stuff in the "Mail.app". There's a whole setup in it to do public key encryption... I was pretty suprised to see it needless to say, & damned excited too. The idea of being able to do on the fly, integrated, secure email is a _damn_nice_ feature to say the least. I know it's easy enough to do pgp mail from the command line & all that, but sending secure NeXTmail is another thing entirely. There's also some stuff in the WorkspaceManager.app for it as well.. Seems there's a missing "Encryption.tool" that plugs in there someplace that let's you encrypt & decrypt files on the fly. In any event it seems the stuff is disabled, at least in the general release. I spoke to someone at NeXT, and it seems they had a whole nice setup to do this stuff, and got all the way to the end of the approval process for their encryption algorithm and got turned down & export restricted. Apperently at that point they decided not to use it in the release so as to avoid having 2 source trees. From what I understand, the stuff has been around since release 2.0 & is sceduled to be nuked or some such... Needless to say, the infinate stupidity of ITAR restrictions struck again. One of these days mayhaps a clue will fall upon the US government and they'll realize how ~utterly stupid~ doing stuff like that is. I'm not going to hold my breath though. Maybye at soem point though they'll figure out that all they're doing is screwing US software & hardware producers, and incovinencing people. It certainly doesn't do much else... I'm not good enuf at Objective C to be able to really see what's up with this stuff, but if anyone out there knows any more about what the deal is with the code, or what the story is on it, drop me some mail! God knows I wish it were usable, it'd make the product more sellable & and would really be a decent feature to be able to use too. The easiest way to see where the stuff lives is this: cd /usr/lib/NextStep; lsbom BaseSystem.bom | grep ypt Anyhow, if ya know any more mail me please. Tim Scanlon tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: where are c libs? Message-ID: <1994Mar24.211947.8770@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 24 Mar 94 21:19:47 CST Organization: As little as I can get away with... I'm trying to compile perl on NS3.0 slab. The Configure script says: I can't seem to find your C library. I've looked in the following places: /usr/lib /usr/local/lib /lib None of these seems to contain your C library. What is the full name of your C library? Am I missing some links? Where is the C library? Thanks, kc
From: gregory@nukestep.mit.edu (Gregory B Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Bus Logic 445S Driver needed Date: 25 Mar 1994 04:28:29 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2mtp9d$b42@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Could someone NeXTMail to me the driver for the Bus Logic 445S SCSI adapter - or tell me the ftp site where I can download it. Thanks in advance Greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) In-Reply-To: kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de's message of Thu, 24 Mar 1994 02:31:39 GMT To: kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar24083218@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2moja0$6rb@portal.gmu.edu> <Cn5Dos.7DM@belly.in-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 13:32:18 GMT In article <Cn5Dos.7DM@belly.in-berlin.de> kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) writes: In article <2moja0$6rb@portal.gmu.edu> tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) writes: > Sorry that's not correct. > > the 28.8K is an Uncompressed speed, the figure there is > equivilent to the 14.4K speed that a 38400 modem get's without any > compression. The compressed speed that a V.fast modem is capable of is > well over 1 meg per second, and ther's no way in hell that the OS is > going to handle it stock. Well - I'm running a uucp connection and almost everything going over the line between computer and modem is already compressed (using gzip). This way, the compression built into the modem can _not_ increase the throughput very much. If the modem would be a V.fast modem I would still have nearly 28Kbits/sec on the tty. Thank you for pointing this out. Manufacturers have played so much nonsense with claimed data rates for their modems that many users are hopelessly confused about what they are really getting. However, V42.bis (as supported by all V32.bis and V.34/V.fast modems) in addition to compression also transmits data synchronously over the phone line (in contrast to the async transfer through the serial port). That means that on the line your bytes are really 8 bit long, instead of the 10 bit they are on the port. Some of that bandwidth gain is used up by the automatic error detection and correction facilities of V42.bis but the upshot is that even if a V.fast modem transmits precompressed data over the line, the actual bps rate you'll see on the serial port is about 34 kBps. If you are using modem's compression heavily, e.g. transferring uncompressed data from computer to modem, you're right and you will need a much higher speed than 28K, but I don't think this is the normal case (I don't know if the common SLIP-Packages do compression of data-packets or if they rely on modem's compression. Would someone with more knowledge please clear this?) No, there are no such package in common use. PNI could be made to do it relatively easily but then you still have the problem to find a server which compresses and decompresses data in a compatible manner. So if you use SLIP, V42.bis can give you significant performance improvements. Of course many packages support Van Jacobsen TCP header compression, but that is a different matter entirely. Back to my uucp-connection: I just configured it to 57600Bit/s - inspired by one of the previous posters who stated that his cube was doing 57600 using TipTop. The man page does _not_ say it's possible, but if you look at /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/sys/ttydev.h you'll find an entry for this speed (B57600). I'm using Taylor-UUCP 1.04 and it just works :-) Yes, that was added relatively recently (NS3.1 ? NS 3.2 ?). Personally I suspect that black serial ports can only handle 38400 bps and that the 57600 bps setting was added for those PC serial cards which actually can handle that speed. As far as I can determine setting a black serial port to 57600 bps runs it at 38400 bps as well, but I haven't investigated the subject very hard. Carl Edman
From: wolfgang@neptun.nt.tuwien.ac.at (Wolfgang Pusch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Matlab available? Date: 25 Mar 1994 06:52:11 GMT Organization: Technical University Vienna, Austria Message-ID: <2mu1mr$7jk@email.tuwien.ac.at> Is Matlab available for NeXTstep operating system? Wolfgang ===================================================== D.I. Wolfgang PUSCH Institut f. Nachrichtentechnik u. Hochfrequenztechnik, Technische Universitaet Wien, Gusshausstrasse 25/389 A-1040 WIEN Austria Tel: (+43 1) 58 801 - 3522 FAX: (+43 1) 587 05 83 EMAIL: pusch@email.tuwien.ac.at
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DDMViewer... What does it do? Date: 25 Mar 1994 07:14:15 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2mu307$of9@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hey all, I just recently purchased a NeXT Cub/040 w/ NS 3.2 and the NeXT Developer software. In the NeXTDev directory there is an app called DDMViewer.app. When I try to start this app the machine pops up a window and says "Cannot startthis application because it is Damaged". I am just curious as to what this app is for. My first instinct was that it was an example of how to creat a "viewer" using the interface builder, but I could be wrong. Thanks for any advice, P.S. If it is not what I described, could someone please uuencode and mail me a copy of it?? This would be legal since I already own the developers kit and would be considered "fair usage". -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Monitor To Macintosh Quadra? Yes! Date: 24 Mar 1994 23:17:35 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <2mu36f$ndf@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <2m5nth$t04@cedar.mr.net> <2mqcfj$sv1@galaxy.ucr.edu> I missed the beginning of this thread. O.K. I wanna know how too. ...................... maurices
From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Metaresearch, Inc Date: 25 Mar 1994 08:53:53 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2mu8r1INNm25@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Is it Metaresearch, Inc still in business? (Makers of Digital Ears and Color Digital Eyes). If so, does any one know if they have an e-mail address? -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2069 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
From: msander@bcarh63f.bnr.ca (Michael Sanderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <2mnlvg$mkq@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Control: cancel <2mnlvg$mkq@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Date: 23 Mar 1994 13:24:07 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Distribution: bnr Message-ID: <2mpftn$bvg@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <2mnlvg$mkq@bmerha64.bnr.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: simsong@media.mit.edu (Simson L. Garfinkel) Subject: Re: "NeXTWORLD" Expo (was Need for Info - NeXTWorld is Gone!) Message-ID: <1994Mar25.133302.10536@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <Pine.3.05.9403212232.C10498-b100000@cais.com> <2mptq5$fpu@darkstar.ucsc.edu> <2mq2kt$f2a@news.tamu.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 13:33:02 GMT In article<2mq2kt$f2a@news.tamu.edu> lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) writes: >In the press release put out by NeXT, the name was already changed >from NeXTWORLD Expo to Nextstep Expo. One can perhaps conclude that >NeXT knew of the demise of NeXTWORLD, or that they had already >made a decision to put on the Expo without the participation of >NeXTWORLD. > One would be wrong. You have reversed cause and effect.
From: msander@bcarh63f.bnr.ca (Michael Sanderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Thanks for the news leak help Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 25 Mar 1994 14:20:45 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Sender: msander@bcarh63f (Michael Sanderson) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2murvt$8lh@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Keywords: Thanks Just a short note to thank all those (you know who you are) that helped me track down my leaky news server. There were far to many replies to thank individualy, so I'm posting here. It was refreshing to see so many people volunteer their help, just one more indicator that the world has not completely crumbled into dust. :-) Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael R. Sanderson a.k.a msander@bnr.ca (NeXT Mail Accepted) My opinions are my own, which is good 'cause nobody else wants 'em
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gah@zoo.bt.co.uk (Geoff Hopson) Subject: Garfinkel & Mahoney Step Two????? Message-ID: <1994Mar25.144947.4580@zoo.bt.co.uk> Sender: news@zoo.bt.co.uk Organization: BT Laboratories, Ipswich, UK. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 14:49:47 GMT Quick question: Is Step Two available yet? If not, is there a release date? Thanks for any help, Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Hopson Access & Configuration Management Senior Professional Engineer B67 / Room G11 Telephone (0473) 644380 BT Labs Fax (0473) 640468 Martlesham Heath e-mail: gah@zoo.bt.co.uk Ipswich IP5 7RE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NeXTMail accepted <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: NeXTStep Edu. vs Normal version?? Message-ID: <Cn8o18.MD7@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: news@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <1994Mar24.081305.13098@hellgate.utah.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 21:07:55 GMT In article <1994Mar24.081305.13098@hellgate.utah.edu> tevans%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) writes: >> I am currently a student and I am going to buy NeXTStep through the >>bookstore here. Somebody in the .marketplace group said that they were >>selling a "fully licensed" (or somthing like that) version of NeXTStep and >>not the educational version. Could somebody plese tell me the differences >>between the two? I thought that they were exactly the same as far as >>features, upgradability, etc. >> The only difference is you are not legally allowed to develop for-profit (read: commercial, shareware) software using the edu version. -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
From: citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (MCCOLLAM, DON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CDPlayer Date: 25 Mar 1994 15:14 MST Organization: University of Arizona Distribution: world Message-ID: <25MAR199415140250@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hi. Does the CDPlayer that came with NS3.0 work with NS3.2? If so; what does one have to do? (I have a NeXTcube and a NeXT CD-ROM.) Thanks. Don McCollamd mccollam@snow.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <Cn7H48.o0@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 05:40:56 GMT In article <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: #In article <Cn4JJI.yp@ucdavis.edu> dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David #Bradford) writes: #> In article <Cn3ux1.224@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: #> >Motorola announced a surface mounted 66/33MHz 68040 with a doubled #> >internal clock speed. Don't know all the details but it was in Micro #Times #> >dated March 22. #> #> Does anyone have any idea exactly what are the limiting factors #> on the NeXT Motorala machines?? I can think of a few funny things #> to say but let's keep it to the point. # # Well, memory access will still be at 33 MHz., so I imagine that the CPU #will sit around idle at least part of the time waiting for data and #instructions. I would think that the i486 model is a good one to look at #in trying to determine the effect of internal clock doubling. # Did the announcement make any mention of a 68040"DX2/50" - i.e., a 25 #MHz. model that might work for the vast majority of NeXT hardware owners? A 33MHz part will run at 25MHz. I'm sure that is not below the speed at which the part stops working. I doubt if it is a fully static design. It would probably stop working well below 25MHz. As far as wating for data and instruction, it does have a cache on it. Assuming locality of reference the cache will be able to supply the CPU with data well enough to keep it busy. A cache miss will slow down the machine but the speed will be close to a 80% increase in speed. If you look at the 486DX/2 and the Weitek clock doubler for the SPARC II you will find that for some things it is twice as fast but for I/O intensive tasks it will not be a huge speed increase. Overall you will find the machine quite a bit more responsive. It will be faster than a Turbo machine. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shayman@Trimark.com (Steve Hayman) Subject: Are you ready for a disk crash? right now? Message-ID: <1994Mar25.225515.19915@trimark.com> Sender: news@trimark.com Organization: Trimark Investment Management, Toronto Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 22:55:15 GMT On Tuesday of this week my main gigabyte hard drive quit working on me. Fortunately, I'd made a full backup that very morning. Usually I think about doing backups frequently but actually do them somewhat less frequently. I got very lucky this time. The downside is that even though my disk is only 8 months into its 5 year warranty, I discovered that getting it fixed wasn't quite as easy as taking the disk back to the dealer and walking home with a new one. The dealer is sympathetic to my problems - my entire career revolves around that disk, basically - but all he can do is send the disk back to the manufacturer and wait for a replacement. It's been 4 days so far. Maybe Monday or Tuesday, he tells me, he'll have a replacement. Why am I telling you this? I want everyone out there to ask themselves these questions: "If my most important hard disk died right now, would I be ready?" "Do I have a recent backup?" "Do I *know* that the recent backup is a decent backup, and not just a tape full of zeros or symlinks or something useless?" "How quickly can I get my disk fixed or replaced?" I was really lucky to have a recent backup. If the disk had failed one day earlier, I would have lost several weeks worth of work. Conversely, I sort of had this false sense of security from having a 5 year warranty. That doesn't mean that you'll get a replacement right away - it might take a while and you better have a contingency plan, such as borrowing or buying another disk, or (in my case) restoring the most critical data from tape to some OD's that have been collecting dust for a while, and working off of those. Ya know, I used to be a sysadmin at a university and prided myself on doing robust backups of 75+ file systems every night and being able to do restores quickly. People paid me to worry about that kind of thing. Now that I'm working for myself, I don't think about some of these issues as much as I should. Morals: 1) Do your backups regularly. 2) Check your backup media. Try restoring something even when you don't need to. 3) Ask your dealer or vendor what the phrase "5 year warranty" actually means. -- Steve Hayman Steve Hayman + Associates NeXTSTEP Consulting Toronto, Ontario shayman@Objectario.com (416) 769-8995
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@carrot.mcb.uconn.edu (Peter Gogarten) Subject: How to export NeXT laser printer to non NeXT network? Message-ID: <1994Mar26.003704.11724@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 00:37:04 GMT I would like to use a Next Laserprinter via ethernet to print files from an IBM PC compatible. Both computers (the NeXT and the clone) are on a non Next network (ethernet, no yellow pages). I edited the file /etc/hosts.lpd, however, when I try to print (via WinQVT) I get the message lpr daemon would not accept print job. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Peter Gogarten (peter@carrot.mcb.uconn.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lowxx003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Kevin Low) Subject: Black: NeXT <-> NeXT interface questions Message-ID: <Cn8wFF.8AC@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[8704] Organization: Forest Dynamics/NCFES/USDA-FS St.Paul,MN Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 00:10:59 GMT Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. Hi. We are considering buying a second NeXT (station) and connecting it to the cube we already own. We are only doing this so that we can have the nice NS GUI while running one program from the other machine. Are we thinking correctly? Will this work? Does a NeXT connected this way exhibit the other NeXT's file system as a folder in the first NeXT's root directory? Or would we be forced to use Terminal as the interface between machines? Thanks for your help, Kevin. -- This is an offical Kevin Low (lowxx003@maroon.tc.umn.edu) ^ ^ request, whatever North Central Forest Experiment Station ^^^ ^^^ that means... The USDA - Forest Service ^^^^^ | standard disclaimer 1992 - Folwell Ave. / St.Paul, MN 55108 | | *does not* apply!
From: night@cwru.edu (John L. Millard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStation with 68040 For Sale!! Date: 26 Mar 1994 00:44:39 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <2n00ho$r1a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I'm looking to possibly sell my NeXTstation, presuming someone offers the right price... Here are the specs: NeXT Workstation with --> Motorola **68040** processor with built-in cache -- One helluva powerful chip! 8 Meg of ram (Upgradable to 32 Meg), 17" Megapixel Monitor, 2.88 Meg Floppy, 105 Meg Quantum SCSI (Can link 9 SCSI devices -- perfect for hard drive expansion!), Special serial modem cable guaranteed to work with any modem, And PLENTY of applications!! (Feel free to inquire... :) This computer is powerful and IDEAL for anyone who loves to network AND perform TRUE multitasking -- not that baloney espoused by those who would say that Windows multitasks... (No offense to anyone, but it's true... :) In addition, this machine is fully upgradable to NS 3.2, which supports DOS, MAC-OS, and UNIX... If you're interested, contact me at jlm13@po.cwru.edu or night@b65215.student.cwru.edu with an offer -- best offer wins... :) --------------- John L. Millard 3rd year, Computer Engineering, Case Western Reserve University night@b65215.student.cwru.edu (NeXTMail Welcome) jlm13@po.cwru.edu ---------------
From: kanna@cs.nyu.edu (Kanna Rajan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT websterd<->gopher question Date: 25 Mar 1994 21:03:51 GMT Organization: Courant Institute of Math. Sciences, NY NY Distribution: world Message-ID: <2mvjjn$rd@slinky.cs.nyu.edu> cc: kanna@cs.nyu.edu I don't know if this is the right place to post; do excuse if not. Here's a problem that's been plaguing me for a while. I'm trying to connect a NeXT running NS 3.0 with a local gopher client, using the webster deamon code from Indiana Univ. which is known to work with NS 2.0+. Apparently due to some incompatibility with the Objective C libraries, I was unable to compile the source, so am running the websterd on the NeXT with the "pre-packaged" binary. The gopher client sends the query via a perl script (also running on the NeXT) which talks to the websterd. When I use the webster client program (also from Indiana) and talk directly to the webster port, all is well. All is well too, when I telnet in directly into the webster deamon's port. However if I query the deamon via the gopher, the deamon hangs. And when that happens, if I kill ONLY the deamon I DO get the correct dictionary output (albeit without the format control) on the client side (whether it be a tty from telnet or the gopher client). Does anyone have a clue as to what's going on ? Any help/pointers would be greatly appreciated. -Kanna Rajan Courant Institute NY, NY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: RE: DDMViewer... What does it do? Message-ID: <1994Mar25.192000.1485@earlham.edu> From: rabahya@earlham.edu Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 19:19:51 -500 References: ,<2mu307$of9@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Earlham College In Article <2mu307$of9@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes: > Hey all, I just recently purchased a NeXT Cub/040 w/ NS 3.2 and the >NeXT Developer software. In the NeXTDev directory there is an app called >DDMViewer.app. When I try to start this app the machine pops up a >window and says "Cannot startthis application because it is Damaged". >I am just curious as to what this app is for. My first instinct was >that it was an example of how to creat a "viewer" using the interface >builder, but I could be wrong. > >Thanks for any advice, > Here's the readme file which describes what it does. If you are still interested in it tell me and I'll send it to you. The DDM Package Introduction This Demo contains two binaries which are used with the driverkit's DDM facility. ("DDM" stands for Driverkit Debugging Module). The two binaries are a kernel-loadable server, which is loaded into the kernel in which your driver is running, and an App called DDMViewer. DDMViewer allows to you manipulate the IODDMMasks variables in the kernel, allowing you to selectively enable and disable individual DDM event. It also lets you examine the DDM log iteself. The DDMViewer App DDMViewer enables you to look at DDM traces at user level, in a scrollview. DDMViewer also lets you specify DDM mask bits via an array of radio buttons with labels like "SCSI Disk" and "Ethernet Rx". DDMViewer can be run on any machine, not just the machine being tested. The App is installed in /NextDeveloper/Demos/DDM/DDMViewer.app. Here's a brief tutorial on using the App: Device Name field - the name of the target to which you want to attach. For kernel debugging, the name is ddmServer. For user level drivers, the name is determined by the driver. Host Name field - the name of the host on which the target is running. Leave empty if the debuggee is on the current machine. List button - start displaying DDM trace info, starting from the last event in time and scrolling backwards. Click again to stop. Set Mask button - send the mask defined in the Mask window (see below) to the target. Disable button - freeze the state of the DDM buffer at the target. Click again to re-enable. Clear Window button - clear scrollview. Clear Buffer button - clear the target's circular DDM buffer. Mask Window This lets you specify the value of the IODDMMasks words by name. The names of the mask bits are specified in an ASCII file, a sample of which looks like this: # # DDMViewer data file for Sample Driver. # Index : 0 : "Sample Driver" # # Common fields. # 0x0001 : "Input packets" 0x0002 : "Output Packets" And so on. Comments start with '#'. The line which starts with "Index" defines which IODDMMasks word is being defined (there are currently 4 words of mask bits in i386 kernels, only 1 in the m68k kernel). The Index line also defines the name of the window associated with this set of mask bits. All other lines define one bit in the mask word, by specifying the value of the bit and an ASCII name which will be displayed in the Mask window. This information is stored in a file with extension ".ddm" and is accessed in DDMViewer by opening a file via the Document menu. The kernel server To access DDM data in the kernel, you must load in a loadable kernel server into the kernel to be tested. A kern-loadable binary can be found in /NextDeveloper/Demos/DDM/ddmServer_reloc. To load the server into the kernel, just cd to the directory containing the server, su to root, and type # kl_util -a ddmServer_reloc It takes up to a minute to load the thing; be patient. When you get a prompt back, you're ready to run DDMViewer. --- Jack A. Rabah Earlham College / | | _ Computer Science Dept. \ | | / \ rabahya@yang.earlham.edu | / | | / \ ** Here's the fortune cookie of the day.. ---------- ----------- it is randomly generated: - Support your local police force -- steal!!
From: greg@defcen.GOV.AU (Greg Price) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA address? Date: 26 Mar 1994 12:43:40 +1000 Organization: Defence Central - Canberra, Australia. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n07gs$a81@helotrix.defcen.GOV.AU> References: <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> <CMsG76.2oL@infoserv.com> In <CMsG76.2oL@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: >In article <16MAR199413264624@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> >citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (MCCOLLAM, DON) writes: >#I believe the JANA folks still owe me a CD-ROM (from the 2 CD-ROM offer of >#_several_ months (seasons?) ago. Will someone please post their e-mail >#address. >#Thanks. >#Don McCollam >#mccollam@snow.ccit.arizona.edu >FUCK JANA!!!! >Excuse the French but they owe me 2 discs. >I haven't seen them. I paid and got nothing. I paid for a years subscription last year and got absolutely nothing, every month when I resurect the issue I send mail and sometimes get a response basically saying they are sending more out within a week or so and I would get one, etc, etc... Then Christina came along and she asked me for the details again, promised the world and I've still seen nothing. I think they should be up for fraud. Is there any sort of legal action we can all take? Greg (greg@defcen.gov.au)
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: the ND Compendium: did everyone get it that wanted it? Date: 26 Mar 1994 05:21:05 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2n0go1$qbi@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: NeXTdimension, NeXT, Compendium Hi all! In the midst of juggling lots o' different balls, I became dismayed about the possibility that I missed sending the "NeXTdimension Compendium" I produced a while back to all those who requested it. I'm still adjusting to a dial-in life w/o Real NEXTSTEP NetSurfing Tools, so I haven't yet mastered mailing lists, etc. The Compendium ought to be uploaded to an archive site, and the next version (2.0) will indeed be, but for now I'll shovel it out the door by hand. Please get back in touch with me if I've neglected you, and please accept my earnest apologies. Steve -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,sci.crypt From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Mail public key encryption & OS encryption In-Reply-To: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu's message of 24 Mar 1994 23:57:11 GMT To: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Mar25101139@capitalist.princeton.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,sci.crypt Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2mt9cn$5n8@portal.gmu.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:11:39 GMT In article <2mt9cn$5n8@portal.gmu.edu> tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) writes: I'm not good enuf at Objective C to be able to really see what's up with this stuff, but if anyone out there knows any more about what the deal is with the code, or what the story is on it, drop me some mail! God knows I wish it were usable, it'd make the product more sellable & and would really be a decent feature to be able to use too. Unfortunately only the user interface to the encryption mechanism is actually distributed to users. The actual encryption code isn't, so you can't just flip some dwrite and have mail encryption available. To actually enable the quite nice encryption facilities, you need a special bundle which NeXT doesn't give to ordinary mortals like us. Carl Edman
From: dtw02348@columbine.egr.uh.edu ((GLOVER) 94S02348) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: *successful* installation of NeXT on white. Date: 26 Mar 1994 06:46:07 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <2n0lnf$49n@masala.cc.uh.edu> Hello folks, I just spent my spring break fighting with my computer and the computer is winning on the DOS sode, as I can't figure out why it's behaving strangely, but the NeXT step OS *seems* to be running fine now. *seems* because I have not had enough time to test it to see if it is perfectly stable. However, I would like to thank all of you who responded to my distress calls and assited me in my times of trouble as I struggled with this beast, and now I would like to waste some internet bandwidth and share my experience. Basically, I put my computer together like LEGO blocks, as my prof refered to this effort, and I just finished adding up the total, and it came to a grand sum of just under $2700, and had I know it was going to be this expensive I would have opted for a used black machine for sure, but oh well, too late for that. anyways, I have successfully installed NSFIP on the following config with new/used components accounting for half and half. New - 486 Dx33 VLB with Sis chipset, Ami Bios Used- 20 megs of RAM New - obviously (NeXT Step OS) New - Midwest micro 15" monitor 1024@72Hz used- ATI GUP VLB 2 meg new case + PS new - WD2420 IDE drive used- ST277N scsi drive (dos drive) used 3.5 inch floppy used- Adaptec 1542B + sony 541 CD-ROM new - MS rodent new - VLB IDE/IO card new - Generic 14.4K internal modem I would also like to report to NeXT, if anyone from there is listening, that I *believe* the source for my AHA timeouts and the strange bahavior of machine slowing down to a crawl at times was due to the IDE interface card doing a timeout for no apparent reason, it was an ordinary 16 bit card sitting in an ordinary 16 bit slot, and I basically prayed taht it does not do a timeou during installation. (I must've started the installation process 20 to 30 maybe even higher number of times.. I lost count) now that I have a VLB IDE interface card, it does not seem to be doing the timeouts any more (knock on wood) (the reason that I know that it was the IDE doing the timeouts that was the cause of my machine slowing down to a crawl was that during one installation process, it locked up and I was so iunfuriated, I started hitting all sorts of keystroke, and one keystrok must've dumped me to the console where the bare mach kernel was reporting that it was trying to do a soft reset of my IDE drive, nd it was still timing out) now that my NeXT thingy is sorta running, I would like to ask the guru's out there some questions. my school does not support a slip link, and I have no communications software. I just shipped the author of Tip-tip $25 so I can use that software. I suppose that to dnload I would have to setup and use tupload what else do I use? I knwo people have suggested kermit, but isn't kermit SLOW? and I know that zmodem doesn't compile or run very well on the NeXT (doesn't like mach or something) so does anyone have any suggestiongs for running a standalone whose only connection is the modem? (oh, ofcourse has to work on the white hardware as well...) I know I can run term, any suggestion on setting that up as well is appreciated. maybe some guru's can give me some pointers and I in return can *maybe* give some advice to poor students looking to set up a white machine to run NeXT as well... Thanks, any comments are welcome, and NeXT mail is welcome on a different account, as listed below. thanks.. Later. ********************************************************************* * David Wang | I collect Junk. Computer parts. * Senior EE - Computer Option | Email me if you have a dead Drive * University of Houston | I will buy Dead IDE's and SCSI's * (713)743-7589 | Dead monitors too... *--------------------------------------------------------------------. * NeXT mail welcome on cosc19va@simpsons.cc.uh.edu & also * dtw02348@tree.egr.uh.edu * NeXT mail not accepted at dtw07138@menudo.uh.edu *--------------------------------------------------------------------- * My White NeXT config... * 486 DX33 VLB Sis chipset * 20 Meg RAM * 420 Meg WD2420 IDE * 65 meg ST277N (DOS partition) * MS rodent hangin off of com1 * Aceex 14.4 Fax/Modem, internal, com2 (/dev/cufb) * adaptec 1742B & Sony541 CD-Rom * ATI GUP VLB with 2 meg VRAM 16 bit color@72Hz @1024 X768 * Mid-West Micro Elite 15" digital monitor 1024 X 768 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <Cn7HAp.rv@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <Cn53FD.68@cc.umontreal.ca> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 05:44:49 GMT In article <Cn53FD.68@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes: #Art Isbell (art@cubicsol.com) wrote: # #: Did the announcement make any mention of a 68040"DX2/50" - i.e., a 25 #: MHz. model that might work for the vast majority of NeXT hardware owners? # #I was always under the impression that the 25Mhz motorola in black #hardware was already internally clock doubled. (50Mhz). In fact, #I remember a guy who built a 50Mhz accelerator for an Atari which #praised NeXT for not being idiots and claiming their next's were #50Mhz, because they were actually internally clock doubled. Also #read this on these NeXT newsgroups a while back too. They are not clock doubled. Motorola uses a 50 and 25MHz clock on the 25MHz part to have finer granularity in the pipeline. It definitely is *NOT* clock doubled. THe new part that they announced is in the sense that all logic runs at a minimum of double the clock speed internally. For the last time the current '040 is not clock doubled. The new announced part is. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <Cn7HCo.t6@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1994Mar24.044852.5569@drefla.mese.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 05:46:00 GMT In article <1994Mar24.044852.5569@drefla.mese.com> matt@drefla.mese.com (Matt Brandt) writes: #In article <Cn3ux1.224@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: #> Motorola announced a surface mounted 66/33MHz 68040 with a doubled #> internal clock speed. Don't know all the details but it was in Micro Times #> dated March 22. #> # #I think there is a misunderstanding here. What is probably being announced #isn't really a new part but a new package (surface mount). The 68040 already #has a double speed internal clock, that is if the part is a 33Mhz 68040 then #the internal clock is already 66Mhz. They have been this way from the #beginning. This is the first announcement I have seen of a surface mount part #at that speed though... AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The current '040 isn't clock doubled. It is a *NEW* part. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXTStep Edu. vs Normal version?? Message-ID: <Cn7HMB.zK@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1994Mar24.081305.13098@hellgate.utah.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 05:51:46 GMT In article <1994Mar24.081305.13098@hellgate.utah.edu> tevans%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Terry Evans) writes: # I am currently a student and I am going to buy NeXTStep through the #bookstore here. Somebody in the .marketplace group said that they were #selling a "fully licensed" (or somthing like that) version of NeXTStep and #not the educational version. Could somebody plese tell me the differences #between the two? I thought that they were exactly the same as far as #features, upgradability, etc. The limitation is that the educational version cannot be used to develop commercial software. Anything developed with the edu. version is freeware by the nature of the lic. agreement. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: Jana Publishing and Paul Marcos Message-ID: <Cn97tz.AA4@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <60.29954.4902.0N1990AD@canrem.com> <strobel.764542513@valium> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 04:15:35 GMT I too have been had by Jana. Say no more. Its the same circumstances as the previous posters have described. I was particularly galled when last fall they posted that they had extra CD's from the previous two runs and wanted to offer them for sale. This when I had paid my money for a year's subscription and hadn't been shipped my CD's. No wonder they had extras. 10 bucks isn't much for a CDROM, but they make it up by selling them twice. Under no circumstances send money to JANA. If you feel like burning money, use it to light the barbie. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Paul G. Harrald Subject: shameless newbie Q Message-ID: <1994Mar23.214614.22440@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca (seymour news) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Distribution: World Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 21:46:14 GMT Can anyone hep with the folowing error that is crashing Newsgrazer: Mar 23 13:38:21 carol NewsGrazer[8125]: objc: Application: does not recognize selector -newsFeed -- Paul Harrald NeXTmail: harrald@alice.comm.sfu.ca Department of Economics other: harrald@sfu.ca Simon Fraser University Burnaby B.C. Canada V5A 1S6
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Is there any disadvantage to displaying EPS securely? Message-ID: <CnABun.17v@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 18:39:58 GMT Preference.app has an option under Unix prefs to display EPS securely. Is there any user visible disadvantage to selecting this option? slower performance? restricted features? I would think there would be some disadvantage or it would be the default. so what tradeoff am I making if I choose the extra security? -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: root@neuromancer.tamu.edu (bossMan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] A few questions about NS486 Date: 26 Mar 1994 20:11:50 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n24u6$eoe@news.tamu.edu> About a month ago we bought a Black pizza box which I has fallen in love with. I would like to take the hardware that I'm NT on and convert it to something usefull but I want to look before I leap... 1. Is Windows support inheriet with NS? (I would be getting the educational version). Just how realiable is it? I have to be able to run Win FoxPro. 2. Does NS486 come with NetWare/Appletalk or is it a seperate package? 3. Will a Adaptec 1510/Texel CD-ROM combo work? Any help would be appreciated... Thanks. Traff root@neuromancer.tamu.edu (NeXTmail) traff@athletics.tamu.edu
From: root@neuromancer.tamu.edu (bossMan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Q] A few questions about NS486 Date: 26 Mar 1994 20:12:03 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n24uj$eof@news.tamu.edu> About a month ago we bought a Black pizza box which I has fallen in love with. I would like to take the hardware that I'm NT on and convert it to something usefull but I want to look before I leap... 1. Is Windows support inheriet with NS? (I would be getting the educational version). Just how realiable is it? I have to be able to run Win FoxPro. 2. Does NS486 come with NetWare/Appletalk or is it a seperate package? 3. Will a Adaptec 1510/Texel CD-ROM combo work? Any help would be appreciated... Thanks. Traff root@neuromancer.tamu.edu (NeXTmail) traff@athletics.tamu.edu
From: kdb@pegasus (Kurt D. Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need SCSI ID info for Maxtor XT-8380S (NeXT part S3001) Date: 26 Mar 1994 20:32:19 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2n264j$1oo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> I recently purchased a 5.25"FH SCSI HD (Maxtor XT-8380S), which is actually NeXT's original 330MB HD for the cube (part# S3001). However, it conflicts with the SCSI ID's of the internal HD of my NSC and my CD-ROM drive. On the back of the controller board of the drive there are jumper pins in two groups in the following configuration: ooo ooo_o _oo ooooo o = pin exists _ = pin purposefully missing I have tried several combinations of jumpers (none existed initially) but to no avail. Does anyone know how to set the SCSI ID of this thing? Any help would certainly be appreciated. Kurt ;-) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Kurt D. Bollacker University of Texas at Austin + + kdb@pine.ece.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8566, Austin, TX 78713 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: kdb@pegasus (Kurt D. Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Date: 26 Mar 1994 21:05:42 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n2836$1oo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <2mqecm$5ev@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU wrote: : In article <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: : > I would think that the i486 model is a good one to look at : > in trying to determine the effect of internal clock doubling. : > Did the announcement make any mention of a 68040"DX2/50" - i.e., a 25 : > MHz. model that might work for the vast majority of NeXT hardware owners? : As an answer to both of these, the figure I usually see for the 486DX2 family : is 70% of running (non-doubled) at the faster clock. Thus for a '040 25MHZ : doubler, you'd end up with a speed comparible to having a 35MHZ system -- so : looking into doing a pizza box swap for a 33MHZ turbo on the used market may be : a better approach to a non-turbo upgrade if the results are similar to the 486 If there really is a 70% boost for CPU intesive tasks and the new part is electrically compatible with the old 68040 33&25 parts, then this would definitely be the best upgrade path for NeXT machines. I would be willing to spend $500+my old CPU for the upgrade. I think someone should find out how feasible an upgrade would be. Sam Goldberger, are you listening? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Kurt D. Bollacker University of Texas at Austin + + kdb@pine.ece.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8566, Austin, TX 78713 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: kdb@pegasus (Kurt D. Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need SCSI ID info for Maxtor XT-8380S (NeXT part S3001) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 27 Mar 1994 01:22:39 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2n2n4v$9av@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <2n264j$1oo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Kurt D. Bollacker (kdb@pegasus) wrote: : I recently purchased a 5.25"FH SCSI HD (Maxtor XT-8380S), which is actually : NeXT's original 330MB HD for the cube (part# S3001). However, it conflicts [STUFF DELETED] : I have tried several combinations of jumpers (none existed initially) but to : no avail. Does anyone know how to set the SCSI ID of this thing? Any help : would certainly be appreciated. Someone pointed me towards the Maxtor 24hr automated help # (1-800-262-9867) which actually had a wealth of information about Maxtor drives, including how to set my SCSI ID. However, now when I boot, I get the message: scX (0,0):ERROR op:0x0 sd_state:10 scsi status:0.0 ^ Where "X" is my SCSI id. At least its existence is being recognized. Any guesses as to why is not set properly? This is the original NeXT drive, and I have a good assurance that it is not damaged. How complex can it be to set this thing up? Anyway, any info or pointers to info would be appreciated. Kurt :-) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Kurt D. Bollacker University of Texas at Austin + + kdb@pine.ece.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8566, Austin, TX 78713 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: ccwf@ludwig.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there any disadvantage to displaying EPS securely? Date: 27 Mar 1994 01:37:25 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2n2o0l$8qi@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <CnABun.17v@genoa.com> In article <CnABun.17v@genoa.com>, Alex Blakemore <alex@genoa.com> wrote: >Preference.app has an option under Unix prefs to display EPS securely. > >Is there any user visible disadvantage to selecting this option? Restricted features. Many of the operators are disabled. Can't destroy or rename files from within EPS files. No more animated signatures from Keith Ohlfs. That type of thing. -ccwf
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Message-ID: <1994Mar27.051334.8338@venice.sedd.trw.com> Originator: verket@verket-home Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <Cn7HCo.t6@infoserv.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 05:13:34 GMT Of course, some boards have the CPU soldered in! I recently had to replace my 25 MHz 040 cube's board. The new one had soldered, not socketed, parts. Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: [Q] A few questions about NS486 Message-ID: <1994Mar27.085455.4246@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2n24uj$eof@news.tamu.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 08:54:55 GMT In article <2n24uj$eof@news.tamu.edu> root@neuromancer.tamu.edu (bossMan) writes: > 1. Is Windows support inheriet with NS? (I would be getting the > educational version). Just how realiable is it? I have to be > able to run Win FoxPro. You get the SoftPC demo. It costs extra (almost as much as the edu NeXTSTEP) to license it. Reliability is about average. > 2. Does NS486 come with NetWare/Appletalk or is it a seperate package? NetWare, yes; client only. AppleTalk/EtherTalk via IPT Partner, and I don't even know if that is supported for Intel. > 3. Will a Adaptec 1510/Texel CD-ROM combo work? No, 1510 is not supported (I haven't tried it, though). Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: "NeXTWORLD" Expo (was Need for Info - NeXTWorld is Gone!) Message-ID: <1994Mar25.210329.22434@planon.qc.ca> Sender: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) References: <2mptq5$fpu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 21:03:29 GMT In article <2mptq5$fpu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: > In article <Pine.3.05.9403212232.C10498-b100000@cais.com> bjones@cais.com > (Peripheral Solutions) writes: [...] > Assuming this is true, would anyone in the know care to comment what > this means for the "NeXTWORLD" Expo? I'd think that the name would have > to change, at the very least. > I also assume that NeXTWORLD was a major sponsor of the Expo, so > without this sponsorship, will the Expo happen as scheduled? Could > NeXTWORLD's demise be the reason that DCI recently postponed the > preregistration deadline until late April? Are they stalling for time in > the hopes that new sponsorship is found? Could (and would) NeXT Computer, > Inc. (I don't think they've changed their name back to NeXT, Inc. yet) > foot the bill for the Expo themselves? The Expo is a very important event > for NeXT, but how important? Should I change the Expo entry on my > calendar from ink to pencil ?-) > Inquiring minds what to know... > --- > Art Isbell Cubic Solutions > NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting > NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 > USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515 I worried also about NeXTWORLD EXPO. I asked my NeXT representative in Detroit to get the right status of NeXTWORLD EXPO. The result: NeXTWORLD EXPO is dead, long live to NEXTSTEP EXPO. This is the paper I received from NeXT when I asked if the collapse of NeXTWORLD magazine means that the Expo collapsed as well: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Contact: Karen Logsdon Todd Keefe NeXT Computer, Inc. Digital Consulting Inc. 415-780-3786 508-470-3870 THIRD ANNUAL NEXTSTEP EXPO IN SAN FRANCISCO NeXT to launch Enterprise Objects Framework REDWOOD CITY, CA March 7, 1994 NeXT Computer, Inc. and Digital Consulting, Inc. today announced that the third annual NEXTSTEP Expo (formerly NeXTWORLD Expo ) will be held at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco on June 20-23, 1994. More than 10,000 developers and users from Fortune 1000 and government organizations are expected to attend this year's Expo which will be focused on NEXTSTEP and OpenStep , the open object-oriented application layer which NeXT and SunSoft are driving to make the volume industry standard. At the Expo, NeXT will announce its new Enterprise Objects Framework, a technology that enables customers to construct true business objects that utilize industry-standard relational databases to provide persistent storage. Enterprise Objects Framework is also the industry's first framework for distributing business objects throughout an enterprise network. Enterprise Objects will redefine how custom business applications are constructed and set a new benchmark for the capability and scalability of object-oriented systems. Steven P. Jobs, Chairman and CEO of NeXT, will give the opening keynote address on Tuesday, June 21. Scott McNealy, CEO of Sun Microsystems, Inc. will give the second day keynote on June 22. Both are expected to address the benefits of object technology for enterprise-wide client/server computing environments, with McNealy discussing more specifically how OpenStep fits into Sun's corporate strategy. "This year's Expo promises to be larger than ever before, as the NEXTSTEP, Solaris and PA-RISC communities converge to make this the object-oriented event of 1994," said Steven P. Jobs, Chairman and CEO of NeXT. "Enterprise Objects advance object-orientation to the next level of corporate computing. Using Enterprise Objects, organizations can build reusable objects that model their business information." Expo a must for organizations investigating object technology This year's program components include: - The first annual Object Summit, an industry panel discussion on object technology; - NEXTSTEP Developer and User Conference for software developers, managers and technical users interested in information on object- oriented software technology and market decisions; - NEXTSTEP End User Program for non-technical users interested in learning more about the business benefits of object technology for Fortune 1000 and government computing environments; - NEXTSTEP Exposition featuring more than 120 exhibits by leading PC manufacturers, systems integrators, and application and ObjectWare developers; - NEXTSTEP Tutorials for beginning and advanced developers and system administrators who want in-depth education on NEXTSTEP; - NEXTSTEP International User Group Program for all user-group members. In addition, all Developer & User Conference attendees will receive an Early Access Copy of the Enterprise Objects Framework. Expo Registration and Pricing Those wishing to receive more information or register early for this once-a-year event can call 800-767-2336 or 508-470-3880. The costs are as follows: NEXTSTEP Expo Developer & User Conference: Pre-registration $895; on-site $995 NEXTSTEP Expo End User Program: Pre-registration $295; on-site $395 NEXTSTEP Tutorials: Pre-registration $160; on-site $200 NEXTSTEP Expo Exhibits Only: Pre-registration $25; on-site $40 NeXT Computer, Inc. NeXT develops and markets the award-winning NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. Customers use NEXTSTEP to develop and deploy custom client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped software. Headquartered in Redwood City, California, and with offices throughout the world, NeXT serves customers requiring enterprise-wide, object-oriented productivity environments. # # # # NeXT, the NeXT logo, NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, OpenStep, Enterprise Objects, ObjectWare, PDO, Portable Distributed Objects and the PDO logo are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. All other trademarks mentioned belong to their respective owners. I hope that will stop the rumor machine for ever about this topic! Yanik -- Yanik Crepeau The power of OOP used to stop when Programmer the programmer typed "make". With Planon Telexpertise NEXTSTEP and PDO, that is not true E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT) anymore!
From: fgan@athena.mit.edu (Gan Fanqui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXT NETWORKHELP NEEDED Date: 27 Mar 1994 15:16:54 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n4816$sip@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hello everyone, I am trying to build a simple LAN by connecting two Next workstation together. Since Next computer has its own networkcapability (ethenet), no extra hardware and software is needed except some cable and connectors. I want one of the them as server and the other as client. The tricky part is that the server is connected to internet through RSDN cable. So it is kind of mixed network. I try to follow the documentation about simple network starter and hostmanger but I can't get it to work. The client won't communicate with the server. I hope those NEXT expert outthere could give me a hand. Thank you in advance. --Gan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Using the NeXTStep GUI on a X server terminal Message-ID: <Cn85Fq.1Bt@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <Cn6wC8.2u4@tfs.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 14:26:13 GMT In article <Cn6wC8.2u4@tfs.com> kenw@tfs.com (Ken Worthy) writes: #My NeXTCube (NS 3.2) will soon be connecting to the net where I work via #SLIP. All of the displays at work are either X-servers or Openwindows. #It would be very cute and useful to be able to use one of the displays at #work to run NeXTStep applications from my home cube. It would also be a great #marketing plus for NS (all those people in all of those X-shops seeing #NeXTStep applications on their friends' terminals). # #Does this capability already exist? Is anyone thinking of doing it? I know #that co-Xist does something like this, but it's the opposite, of what I #want, I think. I realize this may be very difficult to do and that the #result may be very slow because of having to do a lot of mapping, etc. # Since NS is Display Postscript you will need the terminal to be running NS. Since no NS terminals exist you are out of luck. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) Subject: floptical eject: again. Message-ID: <CnBz5L.5t3@cc.umontreal.ca> Summary: really need NS 3.2? Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 16:00:54 GMT I'm still having problems with ejecting my NeXT magneto-opticals on the cube with NS 3.0. I went and got the "NeXT Floptical Eject Daemon", which came with no instructions, and tried various ways of running it (from rc.local, from the workspace) but it doesn't seem to do anything. Example of floptical use: Insert floptical, listen to some music/modfiles on the floptical, want to eject floptical, it won't eject: "Some app. is using it." It won't even unmount when I am root: "/dev/od0a: device busy" Even after closing _all_ apps that used it, and some that didn't. How does one really use the Floptical Eject daemon? Do I have to get NS3.2? other questions while I'm here: - Why does BackSpace tell me (with some modules) that it cannot dynamically load a given class? Do I need NS3.2? - hackers.app just will not work! (it always just quits, but doesn't seem to be a bad download) Works on NS3.0? -- "The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing of it's existence." -- Thufir Hawat, Mentat.
From: rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED:TRADE FOR WORKING VIDEO CARD Date: 27 Mar 1994 11:36:43 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2n4cmr$89f@panix2.panix.com> I have a gateway 66V. NS is great on it with one exception. The bogus card they ship w/ the gateway is not a real ATI Ultra Pro, and the NS driver can't access the 2nd Meg of DRAM. In the words of Charlie Brown, argghhhh!! If anyone out there has a VLB card that works in 1280x1024 range at higher refresh rates, and wants to trade for this hunk, which only works at 800x600 60Hz on NS/FIP, I'll obvoiusly be offering up some dollars for your pain. This card works perfectly for windows. If you have any suggestions on how to unload this card, let me know. I really just want to flame gateway publicly for not taking my video card back. What service ? --thanks, RS
From: phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Bus Logic 445S Driver needed Date: 27 Mar 1994 13:54:43 -0600 Organization: InterAccess, Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Message-ID: <2n4oa3$1h4@home.interaccess.com> References: <2mtp9d$b42@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu> In article <2mtp9d$b42@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>, Gregory B Howland <gregory@nukestep.mit.edu> wrote: > >Could someone NeXTMail to me the driver for the >Bus Logic 445S SCSI adapter - or tell me the ftp >site where I can download it. > I wasn't aware it had been finished. I'm still waiting for NeXT to post some news on new drivers. It's been a while since they issued any. Still no decent 32bit colour drivers from NeXT themselves yet. - Brian. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Image Art Take the next "No problems... Only Solutions" Brian Leake step with NEXTSTEP phyd@interaccess.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skot@netcom.com (Scott Posey) Subject: Is there a way to make Mac Writenow files out of NeXT WriteNow files? Message-ID: <skotCnCKB6.2KA@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 23:37:53 GMT Um, I'm moving out of my NeXT and I have a lot of WriteNow 2.0 files that I'd rather not have to go through and save as text. Is there a way to convert these to Macintosh WriteNow or RTF or (perish the thought) Word files? A unix tool or script would be the best, so I could do a batch job. Don't bother answering if the answer is just to transfer the file to the Mac--I'll try that today. I know the other way (Mac-->NeXT) doesn't work. skot
From: mcculla@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve McCullagh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Boot Problem Date: 28 Mar 1994 01:54:44 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario Distribution: na Message-ID: <2n5dd4$k58@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> When my slab boots up, the ROM monitor appears and I have to type 'bsd' to finish the process. How can I change this to happen automagically? Steve mcculla@gaul.csd.uwo.ca
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cs.orst.edu pub/next/submissions Date: 28 Mar 1994 08:24:44 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2n60ns$pc@steffi.demon.co.uk> Did cs.orst.edu get wiped out of was it cleaned up? I ask because I put something there yesterday and it's going again this morning. May this be an incentive for the maintainers to install ftp logging.... -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
From: andrew@wire.gatech.edu (andrew abernathy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: "ad server" mailing list idea (pretty long) Date: 28 Mar 1994 03:08:22 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: root@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9403280618.AA00855@wire.gatech.edu> (wasn't sure if this should go in advocacy, misc or marketplace, so misc got lucky :) Andrew Stone mentioned in a post a few days ago that a side effect of NeXTWORLD magazine ceasing publication is that Stone Design's cool new ad was scheduled for the May issue, so now won't run. Well, I couldn't let that pass, so I got him to email me the ad. (He's right, it is pretty cool.) So anyway, I mentioned to Andrew that it would be nice to have some kind of mailing list for people who were interested in graphical ads. Not everyone would want to receive large ads (Stone Design's was a little over 300k as an EPS file), but I'm guessing that I'm far from the only person who would. Andrew agreed that something was needed, so I decided I'd bring up the subject on the net to see what everyone else thought. Obviously there are advantages and disadvantages to such an idea. Email delivery can be much faster and more timely, cheaper for the person/company producing the ad, saves trees by reducing (hopefully) printed and mass-mailed ads, and can make redistributing interesting ads (in all their glory) to interested friends much easier. People with an interest in some product / product category but whom don't expect to purchase soon can get timely information without costing (appreciably) the company producing the product(s). However, whatever mechanism is used for distributing these ads could easily get abused, resulting in numerous, repetitive and potentially very large mailings. It could be difficult to restrict the mailings you receive to products/categories you are interested in. There are several possibilities I'll suggest pretty much off the top of my head; I'd like to get a thread started commenting on / refining these possibilities and suggesting others. 1. Simple RTF mailing list. This would require a moderator to administer the list. This is a pretty straightforward solution, but doesn't allow for selecting what types of ads you want to receive. 2. Company-held RTF mailing lists. This requires the companies themselves to keep up with lists of people who want ads mailed to them. This allows you to be more selective, but is high maintenance - you have to keep track of all the companies you're "subscribing" to. Plus, it means a great deal of duplication of work, and many companies probably simply won't be willing / prepared to handle such lists. 3. Third-party / subscription RTF mailing lists. In this scenario, a third-party (perhaps some company like Paget Press, which does a great job with the Electronic AppWrapper) deals with lists of companies and categories, providing a central point for users to subscribe to different companies or product categories, as well as a central point for advertising companies to send their ads to. This could be a fee-based service - the end user pays a minimal yearly fee for the service of having these ads organized and selectively emailed to them. Possibly the advertising company pays a fee, in addition to or replacing the end-user's fee; the problem with that, until this becomes popular, is that many companies won't take the service seriously and won't pay to have their ads distributed in such a manner, whereas they are much more likely to off-handedly provide their ad to the service if it's free, whether they feel the service is significant or not. 4. Request-based service. This scenario would require a moderator. Companies wishing to provide their ads would send them to the moderator. The moderator would send out a small standard message to a mailing list, indicating the company, product(s), product categories, ad format, ad size, and an ad identifier. Anyone on the mailing list seeing anything of interest sends email to a given address, specifying the ad identifier, and the ad is automatically emailed back to them. If the mailing list messages are standard enough, filters could be written to parse such messages for user-specified products, product categories or companies and automatically request the appropriate ads. I probably like #4 the best, but it requires someone willing to take on the task of moderating and providing the resources for the "ad server." (Using comp.sys.next.announce instead of a mailing list wouldn't be appropriate as this is much more commercial by it's very nature.) I can't take on moderation duties myself for several reasons, not least of which is that I have a dial-up net connection, and the "ad server" would be extremely slow, due both to the slow link and the fact that the link is only up at certain times. I am willing to help with organization of such a service, however. Please, if you're interested, or if you think the whole thing is a Bad Idea, let me know. If you have constructive remarks, I'd prefer that you follow-up to this post; non-constructive remarks can be emailed directly to me so as to avoid useless net clutter. So, whadda ya think? --- andrew_abernathy@wire.home.net (NeXTmail ok, MIME in a pinch) Powered by Motorola
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Using the NeXTStep GUI on a X server terminal Date: 27 Mar 1994 06:50:54 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Distribution: na Message-ID: <2n3ace$fhu@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <Cn6wC8.2u4@tfs.com> <Cn85Fq.1Bt@infoserv.com> In article <Cn85Fq.1Bt@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) writes: >Since NS is Display Postscript you will need the terminal to be running >NS. Since no NS terminals exist you are out of luck. Uh, not really. Adobe has something (NX) that allows Display PostScript-based applications to be used from X Terminals that don't themselves implement DPS. There are better arguments against X Terminals. -=EPS=-
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "ad server" mailing list idea (pretty long) Date: 28 Mar 1994 09:47:20 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2n65io$242@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <9403280618.AA00855@wire.gatech.edu> >4. Request-based service. This scenario would require a moderator. Companies >wishing to provide their ads would send them to the moderator. The moderator >would send out a small standard message to a mailing list, indicating the >company, product(s), product categories, ad format, ad size, and an ad >identifier. Anyone on the mailing list seeing anything of interest sends email >to a given address, specifying the ad identifier, and the ad is automatically >emailed back to them. If the mailing list messages are standard enough, filters Yes I like 4 Well might I recommend a more economical approach for the maintainer. How about if some archive server was made available which vendors submitted their ads too. Now. submitting an ad would be a two stage process. 1. a simple text message, (_short_) notifying us of the ad. Anybody abusuing this gets barated. This saves the moderator from having to compile the message. Scott, is most of your time taken up from "moderating"? 2. the actual ads contents. Probably in NeXTMail format. Upon submission the archive maintainer can then chose to broadcast (1) to the list. Then any member of the list who's interested can just submit a request for the (2) part which is held on the server. Perhaps we can use the ANDI archive server I've been hearing so much about. The point is though let's try and minimize the work for the maintainer and automate as much as possible. Let the thing run itself. (I guess I'm just a niave optamist) It doesn't necessarily have to be restricted to just ads either. Anything that would have been seen in NeXTWORLD is appropriate. Say articles/hints and tips/etc. (One liners aint gonna kill bandwidth) I'd go so far as to suggest that perhaps (1) isn't necessary and we could restrict the _notification_ informaion to the contents of the Subject header to ensure that it was brief. I don't want comp.sys.next.announce type messages for things I'm not interested in. -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: imdat@imdatki.toppoint.de (Imdat Solak) Subject: ET-4000W32i Driver (VL-Bus)? Message-ID: <1994Mar25.103915.4992@imdatki.toppoint.de> Organization: Nothern Private Site Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 10:39:15 MET Hello, does somebody know if there's a NEXTSTEP-Driver for ET-4000W32i VL-Bus? Please reply by mail, I'll send a summary. Thanx in advance Imdat -- --- Imdat Solak Germany Torenstoff 6 - 25872 Ostenfeld - imdat@tpki.toppoint.de phone: +49(0)4845 1429 - fax: +49(0)4845 1425
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Frank.Rump@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Rump) Subject: 3D-Kit Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 14:05:57 GMT Message-ID: <1994Mar28.140557.24430@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Sender: news@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE Hi! I read that NEXTSTEP comes with RenderMan. What can I do with this 3D-Kit? What objects and which methods can I use? Is phong-shading of a set of triangles supported? Thanx, Frank
From: hship@sinistar (Howard Ship) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP Books Date: 28 Mar 1994 14:09:24 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <2n6oek$oi4@transfer.stratus.com> Could some kind soul please post the full names and ISBN numbers of a couple of NeXTSTEP books. Adobe's postscript book (the purple book). Brian Cox's Objective-C book (or any other really good Obj-C books). Thanks! -- JAPAN is a WONDERFUL planet -- I wonder if we'll ever reach their level of COMPARATIVE SHOPPING... Howard Ship hship@zen.cac.stratus.com [NeXT Mail OK]
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu(Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Books Date: 28 Mar 1994 14:30:38 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C., USA Message-ID: <2n6pme$orc@news.duke.edu> References: <2n6oek$oi4@transfer.stratus.com> Howard Ship writes > Could some kind soul please post the full names and ISBN numbers of a > couple of NeXTSTEP books. > > Adobe's postscript book (the purple book). > > Brian Cox's Objective-C book (or any other really good Obj-C books). I don't have the Cox book, but the Adobe purple book is: "Programming the Display PostScript System with NeXTstep" Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc. ISBN 0-201-58135-3 -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "ad server" mailing list idea (pretty long) Date: 28 Mar 1994 12:09:27 -0500 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n7307$c8u@digifix.digifix.com> References: <2n65io$242@steffi.demon.co.uk> I've already got alot of work into this, so I'll post an announcement about it this afternoon. Basically, I've set up a WWW server for announce and ads a mailing list for ads an archive server for ads If you are a developer, ask for more information. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: cs.orst.edu pub/next/submissions Date: 28 Mar 1994 12:10:17 -0500 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n731p$c93@digifix.digifix.com> References: <2n60ns$pc@steffi.demon.co.uk> Robert Nicholson writes > Did cs.orst.edu get wiped out of was it cleaned up? > > I ask because I put something there yesterday and it's going again > this morning. > > May this be an incentive for the maintainers to install ftp > logging.... Everything is being put away promptly now... your PERL package went into binaries/programming. There is no need to panic, nothing has been wiped! -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: judson@crl.com (Michael Judson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Why NeXT and not Next? Date: 28 Mar 1994 10:27:02 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [login: guest] Message-ID: <2n77hm$l2o@crl2.crl.com> Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized and the 'e' is not?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mikes@ceco.ceco.com (Michael Stepniczka) Subject: Re: Is there any disadvantage to displaying Message-ID: <CnDzFt.E59@ceco.ceco.com> Sender: root@ceco.ceco.com (Operator) Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co. References: <2n2o0l$8qi@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 18:02:16 GMT In article 8qi@gap.cco.caltech.edu, ccwf@ludwig.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) writes: > In article <CnABun.17v@genoa.com>, Alex Blakemore <alex@genoa.com> wrote: > >Preference.app has an option under Unix prefs to display EPS securely. > > > >Is there any user visible disadvantage to selecting this option? > > Restricted features. Many of the operators are disabled. Can't > destroy or rename files from within EPS files. No more animated > signatures from Keith Ohlfs. That type of thing. > Why isn't there an option like this for NXHost?? Having someone send a window over wouldn't be a worry then if it couldn't do things to your file system and who knows what else. Just a thought. Of course, a better defined access control like xhost would be even better... Mike Stepniczka mikes@ceco.ceco.com
Control: cancel <Cn8wFF.8AC@news.cis.umn.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lowxx003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Kevin Low) Subject: cancel <Cn8wFF.8AC@news.cis.umn.edu> Message-ID: <CnE5G7.5ow@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[8704] Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 20:13:52 GMT Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name.
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Alpine.com is down temporarily Date: 28 Mar 1994 20:14:52 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2n7drs$sd5@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Kris Magnusson asked me to post this: 1) Alpine.com is down as Kris is moving servers from one NeXT to another and having technical difficulties. It should be up in a few days at the latest, this evening (Mar. 28) at the earliest. 2) Eventually, alpine.com will move to a DEC workstation, which should make the traffic a bit better. 3) Alpine should have some new pricing information out soon. I don't work for Alpine--Kris just lets me use the machine out of kindness. Sean +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke milk:-cows. | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu (if (cows) 'milk) | | if only I spoke for Alpine... [milk set:[cows val]]; |
Control: cancel <Cn8wuv.8FL@news.cis.umn.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lowxx003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Kevin Low) Subject: cancel <Cn8wuv.8FL@news.cis.umn.edu> Message-ID: <CnE9HD.845@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[8704] Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 21:40:56 GMT Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name.
From: wolf@lanl.gov (David R Wolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sound files Date: 28 Mar 1994 21:42:45 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n7j0l$nja@newshost.lanl.gov> Has anyone devised a way for non-NeXTStep users (say Dos / Windows or Sun users) to play sound files on their machines? What is the relaitionship of .snd file in NeXTStep to, say, the .au files that Sun's know about? -- ======================================================================= David R. Wolf wolf@lanl.gov LANL, MS P940, 87545 (505) 667-3813 =======================================================================
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sound files Date: 28 Mar 1994 22:56:14 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2n7nae$7m0@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2n7j0l$nja@newshost.lanl.gov> In article <2n7j0l$nja@newshost.lanl.gov> wolf@lanl.gov (David R Wolf) writes: >What is the relaitionship of .snd file in NeXTStep to, say, the .au files >that Sun's know about? They're more or less identical--but there are different subtypes, and you get in trouble (for example) when one system uses a compression scheme the other doesn't support. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: RFC: How would you like to register NEXTSTEP? Message-ID: <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Laboratory Information Services Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 00:40:55 GMT I may be in a position where I can make a difference... There was some talk a couple months ago about how folks would like to register their NS software. Some ideas included a DO app or mail. Would anyone care to elaborate on their personal desires for such an app? I'm particularly curious how sysadmins at institutions would like to handle the process (including RTU licenses). The app could potentially include the ability to order copies or upgrades and take credit cards, etc. (One of my preferences would include the ability to track an order given a confirmation number and be able to see the current status of the order live.) All suggestions will be considered but time may constrain us from responding to all ideas. Thanks for your time, peter -- Always looking for a handy place to nap... peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peisch@snac.cfa.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT commercial address Message-ID: <Cn88J2.FIy@inf.ufrgs.br> From: marcosm@inf.ufrgs.br (Marcos Francisco Ferreira de Macedo) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:33:01 GMT Sender: news@inf.ufrgs.br Organization: UFRGS - Instituto de Informatica, Porto Alegre, BRASIL Please can anyone send me the address to buy a NeXTStep. Tanks in advance, --- --------------------------------------------------------------- Marcos Francisco Ferreira de Macedo marcosm@inf.ufrgs.br Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul - Brazil ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Submissions to bcarh50b (47.141.3.161) Date: 23 Mar 1994 01:24:48 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: bnr Message-ID: <2mo5p0$cn2@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2mnlvg$mkq@bmerha64.bnr.ca> In article <2mnlvg$mkq@bmerha64.bnr.ca> msander@bcarh63f.bnr.ca (Michael Sanderson) writes: > >NeXTYahtzee & Sniff were uploaded to my NeXTftp site today. >Look for them anonymously in bcarh50b:/pub/next. Excuse my ignorance, but what does this do? Is it one of those things that one doesn't need unless you already know what it is? For people who come on board new, and those who missed past announcements, it would be nice to see even a 1-line description of what the software is for. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: mmieszko@ac.dal.ca (Marek Roland-Mieszkowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digital Function Generator for Intel Message-ID: <1994Mar28.215416.22448@dal1> Date: 28 Mar 94 21:54:16 -0400 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada We are looking for people with NeXTSTEP on Intel with D/A card. Would you be interested to check our software DFG on your machine ? Your help will highly be appreciated. _ _ _ _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| Marek Roland - Mieszkowski, M.Sc.,Ph.D. |_| |_| |_| _ _ _ DIGITAL RECORDINGS - Advanced R & D _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| 5959 Spring Garden Road, Suite 1103 |_| |_| |_| _ _ _ Halifax, Nova Scotia, B3H-1Y5, Canada _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| Tel./ Fax. (902) 429-9622 |_| |_| |_| oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Everything is Information in one form or another.............mrm oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
From: burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: floptical eject: again. Date: 29 Mar 1994 03:00:48 GMT Organization: Brown University Message-ID: <2n85l0$3eg@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <CnBz5L.5t3@cc.umontreal.ca> Kosmatos Odisseas writes >I'm still having problems with ejecting my NeXT magneto-opticals >on the cube with NS 3.0. Almost anything on the oppy that is being used by a running app is sufficient to make a disk un-umount-able. Luckily, if it's just the Browser that is using the disk, NextStep is smart enough to relinquish it, but lots of odd resources could be to blame. One particularly insidious culprit that you might check for is fonts. I used to keep fonts that I didn't use much on an oppy, until I discovered that for some reason _that_ oppy would never eject without a reboot. Once the fonts have been read by any active application, there is no way you are going to get the disk back out until _all_ apps that have seen the fonts have died. Since loginwindow looks at Helvetica at least, that seems to imply that you will have to do a reboot. Moral: keep your fonts on fixed media! Other possibilities include system beeps, icons---anything that an application might want to `know' about in the background, without `using' at a level that is immediately obvious to you. Good luck! By the way, there ought to be a command-line Unix way to find out which app has got a given device hostage---a Sun guru told me to try 'fuser', but we don't seem to have it in the NS distribution. Does anyone (EPS?) know? `Keep Reality out of reach of children. +--------------------------+ Reality may tend to move during sex. | Joshua W. Burton | Take out Reality and examine it closely. | (401)435-6370 | Don't tear Reality.' | burton@het.brown.edu | -- from leaflet for Reality (a female condom) +--------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gery@ares.fdn.org (Gery Divry) Subject: Re: 3D-Kit Message-ID: <1994Mar28.170230.938@ares.fdn.org> Sender: news@ares.fdn.org Organization: Ares - Lyon, France. References: <1994Mar28.140557.24430@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:02:30 GMT In article <1994Mar28.140557.24430@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Frank.Rump@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Rump) writes: :Hi! :I read that NEXTSTEP comes with RenderMan. What can I do with this :3D-Kit? :What objects and which methods can I use? Is phong-shading of a set of :triangles supported? : :Thanx, : Frank Of course you can at least select a phong shading But if you want to have smooth interpolation you should provide the normal vectors for each vertices... Gery DIVRY ( ZZVolume Daddy ) ARES Publisher 8, rue Victor Lagrange Phone: (+33) 72 80 16 30 69007 LYON Fax: (+33) 72 80 16 32 France Email: gery@ares.fdn.org Earth, Solar System, Galaxy N 1 NeXT Mail accepted
From: pgeiss@aeon.ucsd.edu (Peter Geissler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hard(disk)decision Date: 29 Mar 1994 03:44:36 GMT Organization: University of California at San Diego Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n8874$4of@network.ucsd.edu> Hi everybody I have to buy a gigabyte SCSI hard disk for a 486 running nextstep. I am thinking about either a Micropolis 2210 or a Seagate ST 11200N disk. Does anybody has expierience/problems with this disks ? Or does anybody knows which one is to prefer ? Thanks in advance for any help Peter pgeiss@aeon.ucsd.edu
From: patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu (Patrick Heynen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3D-Kit Date: 29 Mar 1994 04:38:22 GMT Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics Message-ID: <2n8bbu$la8@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> References: <1994Mar28.170230.938@ares.fdn.org> In article <1994Mar28.170230.938@ares.fdn.org> gery@ares.fdn.org (Gery Divry) writes: > In article <1994Mar28.140557.24430@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> > Frank.Rump@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Rump) writes: > :Hi! > :I read that NEXTSTEP comes with RenderMan. What can I do with this > :3D-Kit? > :What objects and which methods can I use? Is phong-shading of a set of > :triangles supported? > : > :Thanx, > : Frank > > Of course you can at least select a phong shading > But if you want to have smooth interpolation you should provide the normal > vectors for each vertices... > > No.. I'm afraid this is slightly incorrect. The most you can get is gouraud-shading. It turns out that with the Quick-Renderman renderer, which is what is used by the 3Dkit and all apps that want to do interactive 3d graphics under NextStep, only 4 different 'shading-types' are supported: - point: all vertices rendered as points - lines: basic wireframe - flat: basic flat-shading - smooth: gouraud-shading Sidenote: It is rather unfortunate that NeXT did not decide to implement a phong shader... most likely the reason they didn't is that there is a much higher computational cost for phong shading since the lighting model has to be evaluated at every pixel instead of at every vertex. In the context of the original NeXT hardware, this is understandable, since 'interactivity' would have been impossible... but now that NextStep can/will run on higher performance architectures (HP-PA,Sun,??) I believe this decision should be reevaluated, since phong-shading is the sine-qua-non of the graphics world. But then again, it seems that NeXT doesn't really care that much about 3dkit anymore, since the bankers don't use it :-( ==================================================================== Patrick Heynen patrick@graphics.cornell.edu Program of Computer Graphics Cornell University Ithaca, NY NeXTMail welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: 3D-Kit Message-ID: <1994Mar29.061232.6757@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1994Mar28.170230.938@ares.fdn.org> <2n8bbu$la8@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 06:12:32 GMT In article <2n8bbu$la8@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu writes: >>In article <1994Mar28.170230.938@ares.fdn.org> gery@ares.fdn.org (Gery Divry) >>writes: >>> In article <1994Mar28.140557.24430@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> >>> Frank.Rump@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Rump) writes: >>> :Hi! >>> :I read that NEXTSTEP comes with RenderMan. What can I do with this >>> :3D-Kit? >>> :What objects and which methods can I use? Is phong-shading of a set of >>> :triangles supported? >>> : >>> :Thanx, >>> : Frank >>> >>> Of course you can at least select a phong shading >>> But if you want to have smooth interpolation you should provide the normal >>> vectors for each vertices... >>> >>> >>No.. I'm afraid this is slightly incorrect. The most you can get is >>gouraud-shading. It turns out that with the Quick-Renderman renderer, which is >>what is used by the 3Dkit and all apps that want to do interactive 3d graphics >>under NextStep, only 4 different 'shading-types' are supported: >> - point: all vertices rendered as points >> - lines: basic wireframe >> - flat: basic flat-shading >> - smooth: gouraud-shading >> >>Sidenote: >> >>It is rather unfortunate that NeXT did not decide to implement a phong shader... >>most likely the reason they didn't is that there is a much higher computational >>cost for phong shading since the lighting model has to be evaluated at every >>pixel instead of at every vertex. In the context of the original NeXT hardware, >>this is understandable, since 'interactivity' would have been impossible... but >>now that NextStep can/will run on higher performance architectures (HP-PA,Sun,??) >>I believe this decision should be reevaluated, since phong-shading is the >>sine-qua-non of the graphics world. But then again, it seems that NeXT doesn't >>really care that much about 3dkit anymore, since the bankers don't use it :-( >> While I certainly agree that it would be nice if NeXT had more folks hacking on the 3DKit, I take pretty strong exception to any sort of win by worrying about goraud vs. phong shading in qrman. Since the whole huge, massive win of using RenderMan in the first place is programmable shaders, and since few scenes use standard shaders anyway, qrman does its job just fine, thank you. Just go out to prman when you need to see what it looks like. I use the my software, based on top of the 3DKit, to play with and render and animate all sorts of geometry (patch meshes, NURBS, etc.) that would be a total pain in the ass anywhere else, and qrman does a great job giving me a quick and dirty preview of what I'm doing, which is all its supposed to do. I render at a high shading rate when I need a better clue what's going on, and then finally render at a low rate when I need a real picture. The 3DKit makes that very, very, very easy to do. I've been developing graphics code for the last 10 years, on pretty much every "real" graphics platform out there, and developing 3D apps on the NeXT has been, by far, the most enjoyable. There are critcisms to make of the 3DKit, but phong vs goraud in qrman (and I'm not even saying that that's true, BTW) is not the place to focus your energy, since prman can do most everything you can imagine, and that is bundled too... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) --> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <1994Mar29.053013.12141@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <2n77hm$l2o@crl2.crl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 05:30:13 GMT Michael Judson writes | Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized and the 'e' is not? It is a clever device designed to reveal minds that have been beset by hobgoblins. Tom
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3D-Kit Date: 29 Mar 1994 06:37:16 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2n8ias$d6r@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Mar28.170230.938@ares.fdn.org> <2n8bbu$la8@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu (Patrick Heynen) writes: [...] >Sidenote: >It is rather unfortunate that NeXT did not decide to implement a phong shader... >most likely the reason they didn't is that there is a much higher computational >cost for phong shading since the lighting model has to be evaluated at every >pixel instead of at every vertex. In the context of the original NeXT hardware, >this is understandable, since 'interactivity' would have been impossible... but >now that NextStep can/will run on higher performance architectures (HP-PA,Sun,??) >I believe this decision should be reevaluated, since phong-shading is the >sine-qua-non of the graphics world. But then again, it seems that NeXT doesn't >really care that much about 3dkit anymore, since the bankers don't use it :-( No, they don't, at least not yet (Avatar's Metaphor Mixer VR finanical-trading tool comes to mind). However, perhaps the restless natives can further the cause, by creating and distributing superior graphics with the acknowledgement that they were done using NS. [mounting soapbox] The computer-graphics market is enormous and booming, and NeXTSTEP enjoys surprising price/performance advantages vis-a-vis SGI, for example. I bet you'll be able to buy a fully-equipped HP/NS system that includes a great OS and its suite of tools, AND a full suite of 3rd-party graphics apps (TIFFany2, solidThinking, etc.) for less than a comparable SGI machine alone. [dismounting soapbox -guess this oughta go to c.s.n.advocacy] Cheers, Steve -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
From: patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu (Patrick Heynen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3D-Kit Date: 29 Mar 1994 07:41:38 GMT Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics Message-ID: <2n8m3i$rmv@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> References: <1994Mar29.061232.6757@news.media.mit.edu> In article <1994Mar29.061232.6757@news.media.mit.edu> wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes: > There are critcisms to make of the 3DKit, but phong vs goraud in qrman > (and I'm not even saying that that's true, BTW) is not the place to focus > your energy, since prman can do most everything you can imagine, and that > is bundled too... I think I agree with you here- to argue over phong vs. gouraud is to misunderstand the whole philosophy behind the design of Renderman (and Qrman). I also agree that the 3dKit is one of the best ways to do exactly what Michael does... it is second to none when you are using qrman as an interactive 'preview' tool for a final image/animation rendered by prman. This is where the common rendering model really pays off. However, if you are interested in doing just interactive 3d graphics, the model becomes a little restrictive compared to, say GL. To really do it right, I think that NeXT should have gone all the way and supported programmable shaders in qrman... that way we would be able to have much finer control of the presented interactive image (eg. texture mapping!!), and hey- if performance suffers, so be it- at least I have the choice! While we are on the topic of 3dKit, let me air my biggest complaint about it: >>>> N3DRotator <<<<< Am I the only one who has noticed how brain-damaged this thing is? The rotation is not at ALL intuitive (eg after you flip an object by 180 deg., the mapping is all messed up and moving the mouse up causes the object to rotate 'down' etc...) I KNOW it doesn't have to be this way since I hacked my own Trackball code and it works... I for one am surprised that all the major 3d products out there for NextStep are still using this class. Anyways, that's my complaint of the week. ==================================================================== Patrick Heynen patrick@graphics.cornell.edu Program of Computer Graphics Cornell University Ithaca, NY NeXTMail welcome!
From: skeezics@teleport.com (Skeezics Boondoggle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Are you ready for a disk crash? right now? Date: 28 Mar 1994 23:55:49 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Message-ID: <2n8mu5$ht8@elaine.teleport.com> References: <1994Mar25.225515.19915@trimark.com> In <1994Mar25.225515.19915@trimark.com> shayman@Trimark.com (Steve Hayman) writes: >On Tuesday of this week my main gigabyte hard drive quit working >on me. Fortunately, I'd made a full backup that very morning. >Usually I think about doing backups frequently but actually do them >somewhat less frequently. I got very lucky this time. Whew! I had a 500Meg Seagate die - the bloody MOTOR just up and died - and I didn't have a backup. Worst of all, I had borrowed a SCSI CD-ROM drive from a friend to get NS/FIP loaded in the first place, and since the crash, I haven't reloaded it. Pain! Agony! I hate Windows! Hmmm... After months of punishing myself, perhaps it's time to reload? :-) >The downside is that even though my disk is only 8 months into its >5 year warranty, I discovered that getting it fixed wasn't quite >as easy as taking the disk back to the dealer and walking home with >a new one. The dealer is sympathetic to my problems - my entire >career revolves around that disk, basically - but all he can do is >send the disk back to the manufacturer and wait for a replacement. >It's been 4 days so far. Maybe Monday or Tuesday, he tells me, >he'll have a replacement. The thing that really made me *furious* was that the manufacturers don't offer data recovery services. I mean, WHO better to attempt to *fix* your disk, and preserve your data if possible? So I had to swap it out and lost months of work, including, I might add, a database I'd collected of every used black system and peripheral offered for sale on the net over the course of the last year or so. OUCH. My little "black blue book" is gone.) >Why am I telling you this? I want everyone out there to ask >themselves these questions: [good stuff deleted] >Ya know, I used to be a sysadmin at a university and prided myself >on doing robust backups of 75+ file systems every night and being >able to do restores quickly. People paid me to worry about that >kind of thing. Now that I'm working for myself, I don't think >about some of these issues as much as I should. Sigh. I was a backup admin too. I was kicking myself for *weeks* for not having my own machine backed up. :-( >Morals: > 1) Do your backups regularly. And floss regularly, too. :-) > 2) Check your backup media. Try restoring something even when > you don't need to. Tee hee hee... and get in the habit of *write protecting it* before you try the restore... ("I tried to read that tar tape back in and it listed all the wrong files." "What did you type?" "tar cvf /dev/r... Oops.") > 3) Ask your dealer or vendor what the phrase "5 year warranty" > actually means. > Maybe if enough people yelled at the manufacturers - Seagate, Maxtor, Micropolis, Fujitsu, HP - they'd start offering data recovery themselves. Maybe some do. If they've GOT the clean room, the spare parts, the test gear, the custom tools, the right people...who better to do it? Still, a warranty replacement is better than nothing. So, anybody want to sell me a Tandberg 3600 that'll fit inside a Gateway 4DX2-66V (desktop case)? I feel a need to do some backups... -- A ramblin' man -- skeezics@teleport.COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400, N81)
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 31 Mar 1994 02:04:05 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2ndb2l$jsh@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> <2na7uj$kth@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <sandrac-290394190650@port53.annex2.net.ubc.ca> <2nbpak$6jd@steffi.demon.co.uk> Erik, Like others have said, I saw your announcement and was interested, so I save the article. But like all but 7 of these people, I didn't feel like preordering a copy on the basis of that announcement alone. I have spent a !@#$-load of money on NeXT software that has later gotten orphaned, and I'm tired of it. However, I'm still willing to spend money on the platform. If you want to sell me a copy of something, there are several ways: get reviews of a shipping version available somewhere (I know, NeXTWorld's disappearance is a problem, but there are alternatives); offer a 7- or 14-day refund policy (a bit of a risk for you, true); or best, get a demo version of the software available somewhere (on the Net or by surface mail). Finally, get some backing from people that don't pull the plug on such an advanced project as quickly, and with as little cause, as your current investors did. As others have said, NEXTSTEP is obviously not a booming game platform. If people were willing to back you in the first place, they should have been prepared to deal with a slowish start, or a glitch now NeXTWorld going down. I think you can still go somewhere with the product. Maybe not as far and as fast as you originally hoped or thought, but does that mean flushing everything? By the way, I spend a lot of time playing games on my NeXT machine (Lord knows there are fewer & fewer other things to do!), preferring strategy over arcade. So I'm part of your potential market. Check things out; it might not be the end after all. Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
From: nevisb@ucs.orst.edu (Bryon Nevis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: information Date: Thu, 31 Mar 94 00:09:33 PST Organization: Oregon State University Message-ID: <muL2Jc1w165w@ucs.orst.edu> References: <2nd0v7$mvp@home.interaccess.com> phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) writes: > Is anybody aware of drivers for the following cards being available yet? - > > Bus Logic 445S (Local Bus SCSI) > Number Nine GXE with 4Mb (Local Bus Graphics) > > I've been waiting for these for ages it seems. The Bus Logic 445S drivers seem to be NextAnswer #1520. The readme file is under /pub/NeXTanswers/AsciiFiles/Drivers/1520*. No idea on the Number Nine boards. How does one interpret all the "level" numbers for the Number Nine boards anyway? _****** Bryon Nevis (nevisb@ucs.orst.edu) [NeXTmail accepted] | Y ICBM: 44 34' 7" N / 123 16' 24" W (to nearest second) /-=-I USNAIL: 155 NW Kings Blvd, Corvallis, OR 97330-5579 o (*) WISDOM: He's dim, Jed.
From: msander@bcarh63f.bnr.ca (Michael Sanderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: cmsg cancel <2mscul$f6p@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Control: cancel <2mscul$f6p@bmerha64.bnr.ca> Date: 24 Mar 1994 21:05:06 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Distribution: bnr Message-ID: <2msva2$oa3@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <2mscul$f6p@bmerha64.bnr.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gery@ares.fdn.org (Gery Divry) Subject: Re: 3D-Kit Message-ID: <1994Mar29.103451.447@ares.fdn.org> Sender: news@ares.fdn.org Organization: Ares - Lyon, France. References: <2n8bbu$la8@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:34:51 GMT In article <2n8bbu$la8@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu (Patrick Heynen) writes: :In article <1994Mar28.170230.938@ares.fdn.org> gery@ares.fdn.org (Gery Divry) :writes: :> In article <1994Mar28.140557.24430@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> :> Frank.Rump@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Rump) writes: :> :Hi! :> :I read that NEXTSTEP comes with RenderMan. What can I do with this :> :3D-Kit? :> :What objects and which methods can I use? Is phong-shading of a set of :> :triangles supported? :> : :> :Thanx, :> : Frank :> :> Of course you can at least select a phong shading :> But if you want to have smooth interpolation you should provide the normal :> vectors for each vertices... :> :> :No.. I'm afraid this is slightly incorrect. The most you can get is :gouraud-shading. It turns out that with the Quick-Renderman renderer, which is :what is used by the 3Dkit and all apps that want to do interactive 3d graphics :under NextStep, only 4 different 'shading-types' are supported: : - point: all vertices rendered as points : - lines: basic wireframe : - flat: basic flat-shading : - smooth: gouraud-shading : :Sidenote: : :It is rather unfortunate that NeXT did not decide to implement a phong shader... :most likely the reason they didn't is that there is a much higher computational :cost for phong shading since the lighting model has to be evaluated at every :pixel instead of at every vertex. In the context of the original NeXT hardware, :this is understandable, since 'interactivity' would have been impossible... but :now that NextStep can/will run on higher performance architectures (HP-PA,Sun,??) :I believe this decision should be reevaluated, since phong-shading is the :sine-qua-non of the graphics world. But then again, it seems that NeXT doesn't :really care that much about 3dkit anymore, since the bankers don't use it :-( : :==================================================================== :Patrick Heynen patrick@graphics.cornell.edu :Program of Computer Graphics :Cornell University :Ithaca, NY NeXTMail welcome! So , You are right about Interactive rendering, ( Quick Renderman) But my answer, and the first question was not about Quick Renderman but renderman itself which is provided with NS. ( my soft use it a lot for realistic rendering) SO I must confirm, you can do Phong rendering with renderman, In the shader langage ( provided with NS ) the phong rendering is accessible as a fonction color phong( norm, eye, size) point norm, eye; float size; if you are using a phong shader with the 3Dkit ( very easy to create) you'll have a phong rendering when printing or if you ask for a realistic render. ( OK OK not on quick renderman ). fortunatly you can do better than Phong ..... The Renderman Realistic implementation provided with NS is far beyond the simple implementation of Quick Renderman. it is just a bit longer to render. Gery DIVRY ( ZZVolume Daddy ) ARES Publisher 8, rue Victor Lagrange Phone: (+33) 72 80 16 30 69007 LYON Fax: (+33) 72 80 16 32 France Email: gery@ares.fdn.org Earth, Solar System, Galaxy N 1 NeXT Mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gery@ares.fdn.org (Gery Divry) Subject: Re: 3D-Kit Message-ID: <1994Mar29.104157.522@ares.fdn.org> Sender: news@ares.fdn.org Organization: Ares - Lyon, France. References: <2n8m3i$rmv@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:41:57 GMT In article <2n8m3i$rmv@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu (Patrick Heynen) writes: :In article <1994Mar29.061232.6757@news.media.mit.edu> wave@media.mit.edu (Michael :B. Johnson) writes: :> There are critcisms to make of the 3DKit, but phong vs goraud in qrman :> (and I'm not even saying that that's true, BTW) is not the place to focus :> your energy, since prman can do most everything you can imagine, and that :> is bundled too... : : :I think I agree with you here- to argue over phong vs. gouraud is to :misunderstand the whole philosophy behind the design of Renderman (and Qrman). I :also agree that the 3dKit is one of the best ways to do exactly what Michael :does... it is second to none when you are using qrman as an interactive 'preview' :tool for a final image/animation rendered by prman. This is where the common :rendering model really pays off. However, if you are interested in doing just :interactive 3d graphics, the model becomes a little restrictive compared to, say :GL. To really do it right, I think that NeXT should have gone all the way and :supported programmable shaders in qrman... that way we would be able to have much :finer control of the presented interactive image (eg. texture mapping!!), and :hey- if performance suffers, so be it- at least I have the choice! : :While we are on the topic of 3dKit, let me air my biggest complaint about it: : >>>> N3DRotator <<<<< : :Am I the only one who has noticed how brain-damaged this thing is? The rotation :is not at ALL intuitive (eg after you flip an object by 180 deg., the mapping is :all messed up and moving the mouse up causes the object to rotate 'down' etc...) :I KNOW it doesn't have to be this way since I hacked my own Trackball code and it :works... I for one am surprised that all the major 3d products out there for :NextStep are still using this class. : :Anyways, that's my complaint of the week. : :==================================================================== :Patrick Heynen patrick@graphics.cornell.edu :Program of Computer Graphics :Cornell University :Ithaca, NY NeXTMail welcome! : I agree with you .... N3D rotator is very frustrating it always do the opposit of what you were expecting.. Another point .. Quick renderman is VERY slow. an architectural model can contain at least 10 000 polygons or patches. YOU HAVE NO ANY INTERACTIVITY ON BIG MODELS, EVEN IN WIREFRAME. That is why ZZVolume is using is own display routines for all the work and call renderman only for realistic rendering. Gery DIVRY ( ZZVolume Daddy ) ARES Publisher 8, rue Victor Lagrange Phone: (+33) 72 80 16 30 69007 LYON Fax: (+33) 72 80 16 32 France Email: gery@ares.fdn.org Earth, Solar System, Galaxy N 1 NeXT Mail accepted
From: willi@eiunix.tuwien.ac.at (Willi Pitzeier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: Miro Crystal 24S Driver Date: 29 Mar 1994 13:46:47 GMT Organization: Technical University Vienna, Austria Distribution: world Message-ID: <1994Mar29.154647@eiunix.tuwien.ac.at> Originator: willi@eiunix.tuwien.ac.at Hello, Has anybody out there written a NSfIP driver for the Miro Crystal 24S graphic card (S386C928, 3MB VRAM)? I called Miro Germany and someone told me that they have drivers for the 8S and the 32S, but do not plan to release one for the 16S and the 24S, since these cards are to be discontinued. Any pointers welcome, Thanks, Willi
From: bil@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sound files Date: 29 Mar 1994 14:52:14 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2n9fau$rmv@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2n7nae$7m0@nic-nac.CSU.net> In article <2n7nae$7m0@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > In article <2n7j0l$nja@newshost.lanl.gov> wolf@lanl.gov > (David R Wolf) writes: > >What is the relaitionship of .snd file in NeXTStep to, say, the .au files > >that Sun's know about? > > They're more or less identical--but there are different subtypes, > and you get in trouble (for example) when one system uses a > compression scheme the other doesn't support. > One difference I've noticed is that NeXT assumes the sound data is word-aligned, but Sun file data can start on any byte.
From: joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Large Dos partition bug fixed? Date: 29 Mar 1994 16:05:47 GMT Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2n9jkr$858@netnews.upenn.edu> Hi, Does anyone know if a patch for the Large Dos partition/filesystem bug has been completed? If not, when? Thanks. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: 3D-Kit Message-ID: <1994Mar29.155555.16053@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1994Mar29.061232.6757@news.media.mit.edu> <2n8m3i$rmv@merckx.graphics.cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 15:55:55 GMT The N3DRotator is indeed brain damaged, the most obvious way being that it suffers from gimbal lock. In the original version of my WavesWorld stuff, I had a velocity on, so that I set up a timed entry to keep animating rotations after you let go. Unfortunately, everytime it moved into the next quadrant it gimbal-locked... Dave swears he implemented it with quaternions so that it wouldn't do this but it happens... Why don't you post your new rotator for those of us too lazy to dig up the paper ourselves? Better yet, submit it to MiscKit... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) --> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office)
From: root@net23 (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP!!! SLIP ON WHITE AT 28.8 Message-ID: <CnFrFC.LKC@spcuna.spc.edu> Date: 29 Mar 94 17:04:24 GMT Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) Organization: St. Peter's College, US Hello all, I have been having much trouble getting 28.8 SLIP to work on White hardware... I have a 486/dx2 66 w/32mb ram a 28.8 Modem and a 16550 uart compatible serial card... I am using The New transys pni slip software and every time i raise the speed from 19200 to 38400, i start losing massive characters... Anyone who gives me an answer on how to fix it can have a free account mail ANY answers to razor@net23.com Thanks in advance Nick razor@net23.com
From: nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU (James Nielsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT and afs Date: 29 Mar 1994 19:08:49 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2n9uc1$9v@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> I just managed to get afs mounted on my next using the transarc package, but I have some lingering questions. First of all, I have to run klog in order to authenticate myself...is there any way to get automatic authentication (so I don't have to open up a terminal)? My username and password are the same on both accounts. Also, the workspace doesn't really recognize that I own my afs files. I can read files using Edit.app (after I changed the directory permissions to world readable), and I can save from Edit, but I can't copy files from my system to my afs account, or create new folders in the afs account from the Workspace. Am I perhaps missing something in the complicated world of afs permissions? Thanks for your help. -jamey.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 28 Mar 1994 01:43:43 -0500 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2n5uav$9op@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. 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Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. 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From: rrn@po.cwru.edu (ClientWndProc) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where can I get pictures of Black Hardware?? Date: 28 Mar 1994 20:21:54 GMT Organization: Shafted Software c/o Case Western Reserve University Distribution: World Message-ID: <2n7e92$c8p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Hello NeXT'ers: I was recently looking into buying a new (used) Black NeXT. A friend of mine wanted to see one, but I can't think of anyone near me who has one, so I was hoping I could find some scanned (old) NeXT ads, or just some scanned pictures of a Black Box. Does anyone know where some are, or could someone scan some and ftp them to me? If you want to ftp them to me, reply and I'll give you the address. Thanks, BoB P.S. I would need them in gif or tiff or some PC format. +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert R. Novitskey | rrn@po.cwru.edu | Case Western Reserve | |---------------------|-------------------| University | | (216)-754-2134 | TEAM OS/2 | Cleveland, Ohio | |------------------------------------------------------------------| | Here at BASF we don't make many of the products you use... | | ...but we damn well wish we did! | +------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The death of a game Date: 29 Mar 1994 20:09:52 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Message-ID: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> Summary: I just want to cry in my beer with friends Keywords: game, dead Hello, I am Erik Buck, proprietor of EMB & Associates. Now that the game "Cultural Evolution: Noblesse Oblige" is officially dead, I would like to discuss the sad state of affairs. In a sense, I would like to cry in my beer and mourn with my comrades in arms. It all started in the summer of 1989 ... I was a full time university student and a full time employee of a local high tech software firm. I had $12,000 worth of NeXT Cube and peripherals, access to high end scientific equipment, and a lot of entrepreneurial spirt. The excitement about my new computer spread like a disease to nearly everyone I showed it to. Several of my friends purchased machines for home use, and my employer decided to buy a few to pioneer the development of a new product. All was well with the world (at least my part of it). I graduated. My career progressed. I lead a development team to build a new product for my employer, but I wanted something more. All the while, I worked on the game to keep my sanity. In mid 1993, I decided that it was time to blaze new trails. I was determined to be the master of my own destiny. Start-up capital was ridiculously easy to acquire; local banks were bidding to lend me money. I had several clients clamoring for my consulting services, but my dream was to be a software manufacturer. EMB & Associates was born. I developed a business plan that combined software consulting with product development. I acquired some associates. I hired an art staff. In short I spent a LOT of money. Fortunately, I was earning almost as much from consulting as I was spending for game development. The world was full of promise. In february 1994, after about 8,000 person hours of development, thousands of dollars in operating expenses, and a lot of tender loving care, "Cultural Evolution: Noblesse Oblige" was announced in comp.sys.next.announce. At the time, all that remained to complete and ship the game was some revised art work, the creation of a manual/instruction booklet, and the final polish that only game testers can provide. I was amazed at how quickly the game was developed. Similar games for DOS PCs required 24,000+ person hours, $120,000 in operating capital, and hundreds of thousands of dollars for marketing and distribution. Only NEXTSTEP provides the environment required to pull off such a miracle. My investors were thrilled. We were ahead of schedule and under budget. In one month, everything has fallen apart. We received seven (7) orders for the game. That is right - 7 orders. I promised my investors 65 non discounted sales per month just from the announcement on internet. Needless to say, I forecasted even more sales once our aggressive advertisements in NeXTWorld hit the stands. When we received only 7 orders, my investors were worried. When NeXTWorld died, the game died. My investors reasonably argued that there was now no affordable method of reaching the installed base of NEXTSTEP users. There was no way to drum up the sales volume needed to justify continuing operations let alone ever pay back the investment capital. Today, at the insistence of my creditors, I dismissed the entire art staff. The dream for me is dead. Oh sure, I have continuing consulting contracts. EMB & Associates is not broken. We are just bruised. We will dig ourselves out of this mess and return to profitability sometime this year, but the fun is gone. I never really wanted to be a high priced consultant. I wanted to be a manufacturer. Now I am looking for a job. To paraphrase another failed proprietor, It has been an exciting ride. Thanks for all the fun. - Erik M. Buck
From: gopher2@bnr.ca (Rob Parkhill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 29 Mar 1994 20:45:29 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa Message-ID: <2na419$4ug@bmerha64.bnr.ca> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> Keywords: game, dead In article <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) writes: [munch] > In one month, everything has fallen apart. We received >seven (7) orders for the game. That is right - 7 orders. I >promised my investors 65 non discounted sales per month just [munch] I recall this ad being posted. In fact, it seemed like an exciting new game and I saved the posting from Febuary 23rd. But I wasn't about to send in my $32.95 for a product that hadn't been released yet from a company that I had never heard of. I made that mistake with Jana Publishing. I now don't even consider the purchase of a software product unless I can use it first. This is where I find "demo-mode" applications so incredibly useful. If I could try the game, and I liked it, I would gladly pay the $55.95 regular price. But I just won't pay $32.95 (the pre-release price) for something I might try once and hate. Sorry to hear that the game is dead... later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill - gopher2@bnr.ca| o/\_ | o | \\ // '71 Super Beetle BNR, Ottawa - (613) 763 8146| <\__,\ | /\, | \\ \\// // ________________ I will not speak for BNR. I | "> | | -|~(*)/ | \\//\\// ||Just can't wait will not do it, Sam you are. | : | | (*) /-' | \/ \/ ||for summer...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mburg@westwerk.cube.de (Michael Burgstahler) Subject: Strange Workspace-Inspector Goody Message-ID: <1994Mar26.174208.675@westwerk.cube.de> Sender: mburg@westwerk.cube.de Organization: Westwerk Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 17:42:08 GMT I've discovered a strange function of the Workspace File-Inspector (works in all four views): The Icon of the inspected file/folder is displayed in the upper third of the Inspector Panel. When you click this Icon with the mouse, the alpha-Channel disappears the more often you click. In the end, you have an Icon with only 100%-alpha pixels left. Pixels with only partial alpha has been transformed to non-alpha. Does this make any sense? Maybe it's a leftover from the development of the WorkSpace.app? -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) University of Stuttgart 2nd. Dpt. of Theoretical Physics Two Tribes Informationsgestaltung GmbH Forststrasse 163/1 70193 Stuttgart GERMANY Fon 0711 / 638360 Fax 0711 / 634696 ****************************************** -- ****************************************** Michael Burgstahler mburg@westwerk.cube.de (NeXTmail welcome) University of Stuttgart 2nd. Dpt. of Theoretical Physics
From: iwj@white.dogwood.com (Ian Jackson) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization Supersedes: <comp.sys.next.hardware-reorg-CFV1@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 29 Mar 1994 18:04:25 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <comp.sys.next.hardware-reorg-CFV2@uunet.uu.net> References: <comp.sys.next.hardware-reorg-CFV1@uunet.uu.net> FINAL CALL FOR VOTES comp.sys.next.hardware reorganisation This is the 2nd and final Call for Votes regarding the proposal to split comp.sys.next.hardware into three unmoderated groups, comp.sys.next.hardware.i386, .m68k and .misc. Votes must be received by 23:59 GMT on the 5th of April 1994. Please see below for voting instructions and contact information. CHARTERS ======== comp.sys.next.hardware.i386 Computers running NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors This group is intended for discussion of hardware topics relating to NeXTstep running on Intel x86 series processors. Appropriate topics include (but are of course not limited to) the various vendors of NeXTstep compatible Intel x86 systems, ISA/EISA/VLB/PCI cards and drivers for such systems and the DriverKit. comp.sys.next.hardware.m68k Computers running NeXTSTEP for NeXT Computers This group is intended for discussion of hardware topics relating to NeXTstep running on Motorola 680x0 series processors. Currently this includes all hardware questions relating to turbo and non-turbo NeXTcube and NeXTstations systems as well as NeXTdimension systems. comp.sys.next.hardware.misc Peripherals and miscellaneous Hardware (renamed from comp.sys.next.hardware) NeXTstep related hardware questions which belong in none or all of the existing processor specific groups belong in comp.sys.next.hardware.misc. Appropriate topics include the discussion of SCSI devices, modems and printers as related to NeXTstep, any topic relating to NeXTstep on new processors for which no processor specific group has yet been created, and many more. If this group is created it will replace comp.sys.next.hardware, which will therefore be removed approximately three months later. Crossposts between any of these three groups are discouraged. 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From: gil@atlantic.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gil Rivlis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Strange Workspace-Inspector Goody Date: 29 Mar 1994 23:20:27 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nad3r$67v@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <1994Mar26.174208.675@westwerk.cube.de> Michael Burgstahler writes > I've discovered a strange function of the Workspace File-Inspector (works in > all four views): > > The Icon of the inspected file/folder is displayed in the upper third of the > Inspector Panel. When you click this Icon with the mouse, the alpha-Channel > disappears the more often you click. In the end, you have an Icon with only > 100%-alpha pixels left. Pixels with only partial alpha has been transformed to > non-alpha. > > Does this make any sense? > Maybe it's a leftover from the development of the WorkSpace.app? > I cannot duplicate this. What NS do you run? Gil --- Gil Rivlis, Physics Department, The Ohio State University gil@atlantic.mps.ohio-state.edu NeXTMail Capable
From: Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 29 Mar 1994 21:52:19 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University Message-ID: <2na7uj$kth@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> In article <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) writes: [Deleted man crying in his beer] The demise of the game seems to be premature to me. Heck, I can't even remember seeing the announcement or a demo available. And such short term thinking. I'm being critical and short sighted since I know nothing about this. But it seems like an interesting discussion topic. [Try to have a positive spin to the discussion.] What is being savaged? objects? port to DOS or Mac? Is the software source being offered for sale or shelved to collect dust? - Tim - -------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Pugh email: tpugh@oce.orst.edu Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences voice: 503-737-2270 Oregon State University fax: 503-737-2064 NeXTmail ok!
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Broken open not all the way broken? Date: 29 Mar 1994 17:28:06 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403292328.AA00874@alleg.EDU> Ok, I am not sure why or how this worked, but I wanted to see if anyone else had the same experience. I am working on a 3.1 Moto with nothing special about it. For some reason I tried to use 'open -a WordPerfect' for a file, and it worked. Here's the important information: * I do NOT have my PublicWindowServer on (System PublicWindowServer No) * WordPerfect has to be running for it to work * filename extentions do not seem to matter (well, obviously if the formats are incompatible that would be a problem) but they could be .txt .rtf or nothing * WordPerfect is loaded on /LocalApps (but other apps in LocalApps still do not work with open -a) * 'open' is in /usr/bin (not surprising) Is anyone else in a similar position who is able to get open -a to work for WP? Very curious.... Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola NeXT Mail YES/MIME Mail No/ASCII YES No Root access, no super-user access
From: rgc@cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MakeTeXPK and 600 dpi fonts Date: 29 Mar 1994 18:43:37 -0500 Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2naef9$2kh@dorito.cs.umd.edu> Howdy, I'm trying to use 600 dpi fonts (e.g. computer modern) in LaTeX on NS/I 3.2. 300 dpi fonts work fine, but MakeTeXPK doesn't seem to handle 600 dpi fonts. Has someone already modified this script to support 600 dpi laser printers? Thanks! -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Subject: Re: Large Dos partition bug fixed? Message-ID: <CnG06r.H2M@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <2n9jkr$858@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 20:13:41 GMT In article <2n9jkr$858@netnews.upenn.edu> joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) writes: > >Hi, > >Does anyone know if a patch for the Large Dos partition/filesystem >bug has been completed? If not, when? Thanks. > >Joe Panico >joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu > Not in 3.2. 3.3 Maybe? --Cliff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cousens@biztech.com Subject: Re: Sound files Message-ID: <1994Mar30.001727.3243@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <2n7j0l$nja@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 00:17:27 GMT David, this may be helpful, or maybe not, but Nick Christopher wrote something called GISO (probably out on Sonata, or Orst) that converts "foreign" sound files (.au,.aiff,.wav, etc) to NeXT .snd files. Sounds like you want to the other way. You could probably hack up the source, if you want to export way cool NeXT sound files to your unfortunate buddies without NeXT boxes.... Rik (cousens@biztech.com) In article <2n7j0l$nja@newshost.lanl.gov> wolf@lanl.gov (David R Wolf) writes: > Has anyone devised a way for non-NeXTStep users (say Dos / Windows or Sun > users) to play sound files on their machines? > > What is the relaitionship of .snd file in NeXTStep to, say, the .au files > that Sun's know about? > > -- > ======================================================================= > David R. Wolf wolf@lanl.gov LANL, MS P940, 87545 (505) 667-3813 > =======================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Re: The death of a game Message-ID: <1994Mar30.021514.9083@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> <2na7uj$kth@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 02:15:14 GMT Sorry to hear about the withdrawal of your product. I saw the ad and saved it, but I'm generally too busy to look at ads like this on short notice. Yes, 1 month is short in my frame of reference. It remains to be seen if there is a viable market for commercial entertainment software on NEXTSTEP. Heck, it remains to be seen if there is a viable market for *any* type of "shrinkwrap" software on NEXTSTEP. The loss of NEXTWORLD, the sole source of focussed print advertising, didn't help. I wonder how Lighthouse did with Void? That's the only other commercial game that I know of. Of course, they put out a demo version. A demo version should probably be considered a requirement for anything that doesn't use traditional channels (Internet cannot yet be considered traditional). Finally, I think Id Software has proved that shareware is a viable marketing scheme, if you can deliver the goods. If your game is HOT, consider a low budget shareware distribution scheme, with additional "episodes" as a carrot to pull in those registration fees. Oh, and don't forget to support the Gravis Ultrasound, or you'll hear nothing but complaints ... :-) Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sound files Date: 30 Mar 94 01:59:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <jeffo.764992751@uiuc.edu> References: <2n7j0l$nja@newshost.lanl.gov> <2n7nae$7m0@nic-nac.CSU.net> David R Wolf writes: >What is the relaitionship of .snd file in NeXTStep to, say, the .au files >that Sun's know about? If you want to convert safely from one to the other, use sox (found on FTP archives everywhere). $ sox mySunFile.au myNSFile.snd This will convert .au files to .snd files that are playable without problems. -- *NO* NeXTmail please
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 30 Mar 1994 03:05:46 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <2naqaa$rpl@Times.Stanford.EDU> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> Keywords: game, dead In article <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com>, Michelle Buck <michelle@meaddata.com> wrote: > I am Erik Buck, proprietor of EMB & Associates. > >Now that the game "Cultural Evolution: Noblesse Oblige" is >officially dead, I would like to discuss the sad state of I too am sad to hear this news. I was really excited by the availability of this game. It sounded like a true improvement over standard fair for such games. Something to be proud was exclusively part of the NS world. [Apologies for the "what if" and "if only" tone of the following, but I'd love to see this revived.] I agree with some other folks though, that this sounds like a premature pulling of the game. You said 7 people ordered sight-unseen. That sounds reasonable. How many play-testers did you have? How did they like it? Maybe you should have worked harder to get more of them, especially some that would post opinions to the net. If the investors could have waited till the game was released, and you got a demo version out to most major colleges and some other places, maybe you'd have more people talking about IT on the net than Doom, and that's when the orders would start pouring in. The announcement just wasn't enough. I was especially enthralled by one part of the announcement, "This simulation will surprise you. Your people will manipulate their environment to suit their needs. Sophisticated artificial intelligence guides their every move," but even that wasn't enough to get me to order without seeing it, or at least hearing about it. BTW, The reason I was enthralled by that part is that I'm a Ph.D. candidate in CS at Stanford concentrating in AI. In fact, I sent you mail asking about this and got no reply back. I'm still interested to hear more about this sometime. There is another student hear who has his own small software company on the side That makes games (PC-based I think) and uses AI techniques in them (mostly fantasy role playing D&D type). In fact, my advisor (Barbara Hayes-Roth and another professor hear (Ed Feigenbaum, one of the leaders in the birth of expert systems) have recently become interested in AI techniques in entertainment and this other student has recently started working for them. So what is the status of the game now that the money has been pulled? Presumably you finished it, or came 95% close. What happened to it? Did anyone play-test it? Who owns it now? What are the chances of revival? It sounds like a real shame. If you are in the S.F. bay area and want to swing buy Stanford I'll cry in a beer with you. On the other hand, if this isn't revived, I'll get my dissertatoin done a lot quicker. -Karl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sr@rdbois.fdn.org (serge_ruby) Subject: Re: Encryption / High speed serial comm (seperate topics) Message-ID: <1994Mar29.210813.477@rdbois.uucp> Sender: sr@rdbois.uucp (serge_ruby) Organization: S.RUBY References: <Cn5Dos.7DM@belly.in-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 21:08:13 GMT > Back to my uucp-connection: I just configured it to 57600Bit/s - inspired > by one of the previous posters who stated that his cube was doing 57600 > using TipTop. The man page does _not_ say it's possible, but if you look > at /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/sys/ttydev.h you'll find an entry for this > speed (B57600). I'm using Taylor-UUCP 1.04 and it just works :-) > Very interesting for future modems or ISDN, but what is the use of a 57600Bit/s link between a computer and a 14400 bits/s modem, does it reduce the CPU use compared to a 19200 or 38400 bit/s link? What is Taylor-UUCP and how does it help to increase speed? Thanks in advance Serge
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift, Inc.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 30 Mar 1994 03:17:16 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2naqvs$2fb@inxs.concert.net> References: <1994Mar30.021514.9083@adobe.com> In article <1994Mar30.021514.9083@adobe.com> caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) writes: > The loss of NEXTWORLD, the sole source of focussed print > advertising, didn't help. > > We need to put the brakes on some of the speculation regarding NeXTWORLD and it's "death" : NeXTWORLD served a very important function and I knew of it's impending demise well over 1 month ago, however like I knew of it's demise, I also know there were a lot of personally conflicts between staff at NeXTWORLD and the parent publisher. As we speak (or write), there are DEFINITE plans for a rebirth of the magazine (it may even be called NeXTWORLD) and may even have it's debut issue at NeXTWORLD. The demise of NeXTWORLD had nothing (0, zip, goose-egg [read: NOTHING]) to do with how successful NeXTSTEP is or is not as a platform. BTW, sales through Ingram (the primary distributor for the OS) of NSFIP are looking VERY good. Dave -- Paradigm Shift, Inc. info@paradigm-shift.com A NeXTSTEP-only Reseller 919.682.8553 [Voice] Hardware, Software & Peripherals 919.682.1126 [Fax] ******** P.O. BOX 14565, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 ********
From: don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 30 Mar 1994 04:21:49 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nauot$8qs@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <1994Mar30.021514.9083@adobe.com> Ah, well, if the topic of games comes up, I'm expected to post something, so here we go. Obligatory post follows. Perry A. Caro writes ) I wonder how Lighthouse did with Void? That's the only other commercial ) game that I know of. There was also (for a time, now it's free PD software) CultureShock by Athena Design. There was also an interesting game called Ragnarok, which was OK but needed smarter computer players. Playing against another human on the net isn't so bad, though. But the sound effects were really cheesy for a commercial game. (Almost as bad as, say, the silly noises in that shareware PillBottle game. :-) ) And there is Rocks, of course, which is a variation on Xox. (As such, I bet Xox, which was released first, stole a lot of it's thunder.) My main complaint is that the ship turns too slowly and the bullets can't be fired off as fast as they can be in Xox--so it's way too hard to be enjoyable, IMHO. Xox is plenty hard... I'll bet the sales figures on Void weren't (aren't) all that great though. There's a critical flaw: you _have_ to buy three licenses at once, for a grand total of $99! I could justify $33 for a single user license, but not $99 on a student's budget. I believe they argued that the game was meant for multiple users. Well, that's fine and dandy, but consider who you're selling to (most buyers would be students) and the cost of entry is too steep when most of us have access to xpilot at school anyway. And xpilot, although best when played with multiple net players, is terribly fun even when it's just you and the robot players. There's also Whitelight Systems' Mission Critical Solitaire. This one I can see businesses buying for their employees to play, since most businesses that run on windows are paying their employees to play solitaire on that platform. :-) (Not at all serious on that) Actually, though, I bet Whitelight has given away more copies than they've sold (if they've sold any) since they use it mostly as a promotional gimmick as far as I can tell. Admittedly, the drag and drop of the cards is _really_ nice--Bill did a great job with it. Unlike the PD Solitaire game which feels like trudging through a muddy swamp, the dragging is smooth. Frankly, I think people will buy NEXTSTEP games if (1) the game is proven to be good and (2) they know it exists. But don't expect to make _money_ off games! The NEXTSTEP market can't really support that right now. (Oh, and don't worry, it does not mean you won't see me writing more games. _I_ understand the value of games. :-) ) In fact, I just got a _real_ A-D converter, so expect to see some upgrades on my old staples PillBottle, Columns, and PacMan at some point along the way. We even found a real PacMan machine nearby, so I might be able to (finally) put the right sounds in there... and figure out what the cartoons are supposed to be, and... Back to work time, I think. :-) Gotta lot of work to do if my two, um, surprises are gonna be ready for Expo-time. :-) -- Later, -Don Yacktman Don_Yacktman@byu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: netcom.com!kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) Subject: Re: NeXTStep Pricing (WAS Re: CeBIT) Message-ID: <1994Mar30.034656.1142@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. References: <1994Mar19.181513.3494@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 03:46:56 GMT In article <1994Mar19.181513.3494@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: > In article <2mdjuj$1ag@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, > Michael Sanderson <msander@bnr.ca> wrote: > >[ chomp ] > >to do so without having to sell the farm so to speak. Why can't the > >student pricing scheme be elevated to the next (pun intended) level, > >where individuals such as myself can enjoy reasonably priced software [chomp] > > > >Whew, glad I got that off my chest. > >-Michael > > > I second that motion. > Kurt I guess I third that. I just got back from vacation to discover that NS Developer has been raised to $3K (and it sounds like NS User is still a separate package). With a price like that, my next OS isn't going to be NEXTSTEP, no matter how much I love the GUI and development tools... Sigh. david john burrowes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) Subject: Need some information to advocate about NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <CnGt37.JtG@mcs.anl.gov> Keywords: NeXT, NeXTSTEP, Visual Basic, MVC, Objective-C Sender: usenet@mcs.anl.gov Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 06:37:54 GMT I am looking at providing information to higher level management about the benefits that NeXTSTEP has in developing applications. I already know about a fair number of features that enable more productive development in NeXTSTEP but need help with certain issues. These include, A formal description of the Model-View-Controller paradigm, a good/short description of the benefits and features of DBKit, how far can IB palettes and IB itself be used for OOP and any other issues that people may think are a little obscure but very much worth mentioning (Things like but not including Activation/Passivation, Delegation, Protocols, and Distributed Objects). I am not a user of Visual Basic but it is sure to come up as a comparison. If I could get some comments about things that VB has that NeXTSTEP doesn't, the scope of the IB like tools, etc... I would greatly appreciate it. I will post a summary if requested. -- Peter
From: wjs@yucca.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 29 Mar 1994 22:00:25 -0800 Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <2nb4hp$cbl@yucca.omnigroup.com> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> Keywords: game, dead Erik, I too would have bought your game when it came out. I too am not about to pre-order something that isn't shipping; I've seen too many NEXTSTEP developers shovel out beta software and then go under before they ever get a 1.0 release. You could sell your game the way other NeXT vendors sell software; put a crippled version on the FTP sites, contact the major NEXTSTEP clients directly, develop a good relationship with NeXT employees so that they recommend your software to new customers, etc. On the other hand, your business plan may have been a bit optimistic. The NeXT isn't a big home machine right now, and office people don't play a lot of games. Games are written for NEXTSTEP because people love NEXTSTEP, not because they want to make a bunch of money. I'd love to program games for NEXTSTEP as well, but right now I'm concentrating on helping the market get big enough to support a game company. BTW, if your game is so close to being done, you might as well put a crippled version on the archive sites and let people send you money for the full one. You won't make as much as Id, but you might do OK, and it'd be a shame for all that creative effort to go down the tank. -Wil Shipley President, Omni Development, Inc.
From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 30 Mar 1994 08:40:12 GMT Organization: MicroMuse Ltd, London, England Message-ID: <2nbdtc$ecg@jake.micromuse.co.uk> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> Michelle Buck (michelle@meaddata.com) wrote: : When we received only 7 orders, my investors were : worried. When NeXTWorld died, the game died. Don't bury it yet. : My investors : reasonably argued that there was now no affordable method of : reaching the installed base of NEXTSTEP users. Sit down and look at Doom and it's marketing model. 1) Have a demo available 2) Make sure that it is easy to call up and order a copy : There was no : way to drum up the sales volume needed to justify continuing : operations let alone ever pay back the investment capital. : Today, at the insistence of my creditors, I dismissed the : entire art staff. The dream for me is dead. Art staff? Jeepers, you did go at this a bit heavily. Even in the oodles of copies huge marketing world of console games hardly anyone has a full time art department. They tend to freelance the art work out and not retain anyone unless really really essential... : Oh sure, I have continuing consulting contracts. EMB & : Associates is not broken. We are just bruised. We will dig : ourselves out of this mess and return to profitability : sometime this year, but the fun is gone. Bring it back. Talk to your investors, say that there is a way to recover some of the investment in a very low cost way. Take your game and add in a time limit or take out a load of levels... (I can't say how exactly, as I haven't a clue what your game was)... Anyway, add a big promo screen with details of how to order a full version; if you still have the packaging, hang on to it, and use that to fulfill orders from the demo version. Bump up the price to something more akin to a similar product on the PC and then put the demo version onto an FTP site. : I never really : wanted to be a high priced consultant. You wanted to be a Lumberjack? Consultancy is a useful way of paying the bills whilst you work on wonder product 2.... : I wanted to be a : manufacturer. You still can be, just by adopting an electronic/registerware/demoware model. : Now I am looking for a job. To paraphrase another : failed proprietor, It has been an exciting ride. Thanks for : all the fun. Hoi, you, get back in that roller coaster... It hasn't made you really scared yet if you can walk away. B) You can try again...... Heck, so few people bought it the first time round, you can call it a new product and 95% of the world won't know. BTW, make sure you also port it on Intel NeXTstep and find some friendly NeXTite who has er... other NeXTstep platforms. Good Luck. This email message will self destruct in the year 2015. -- ============================================================================ dj@micromuse.co.uk |"I'm a loser, Baby, so why don't you kill me?" Beck Voice +44-81-875-9500 |"I've seen the future, I can't afford it" ABC ------------------------+--------------------------------------------------- Non-standard Disclaimer : "I didn't do it, it wasn't me, I wasn't there"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: SCSI Hard Drives for Black Cube : Recommendation wanted Message-ID: <1994Mar30.090122.18337@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <2n81q4$igk@golf.ustores.missouri.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:01:22 GMT In comp.sys.next.misc article <2n81q4$igk@golf.ustores.missouri.edu> you wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm in the market for a few of ~1 Gig SCSI HD's to chain onto the back of > a cube. Main concerns are: Warranty, Ease of addition, reliability, and cost. > If anybody has any recommendations, suggestions, horror stories, and/or > personal experiences please let me know. Thanks. Horror story: Don't use any of the new 3.5" 1GB or 2GB IBM disks. They don't work reliably, if at all. Lots of SCSI error messages during boot, unable to boot at all if other SCSI devices are connected etc. Besides, they must be mounted in plastic brackets since they have n volts on the frame!!! If you connect them to a grounded metal housing, they can get *very* hot after some time and break. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Still the same boring old signature...
From: af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CORRECTION: alternate telnetd source Date: 30 Mar 94 10:30:06 GMT Organization: Universites Paris VI/Paris VII - France Distribution: world Message-ID: <af.765023406@iaka> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Shame, shame, shame, shame on me ... (old 70's hit revisited :-) After giving an erroneous address for the ftp server, it turned out that the tarfile was missing some sources files. Although those were untouched from the BSD sources freely available, this was a pain. telnetd.tar.Z on ftp.biomath.jussieu.fr:/pub/next/telnetd should be OK now. If it isn't, then I guess it's time for me to take a vacation, I untarred it on a completely separate disk and managed to "make" it. My apologies. _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health Research Labs 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (*no* NeXTmail !) Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68
From: gorgon@crl.com (Zach Copley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Syquest Drives Date: 30 Mar 1994 02:28:32 -0800 Organization: Pigdog Journal Message-ID: <2nbk8g$4i1@crl.crl.com> Summary: 10 megs on a 44meg cartridge? Keywords: Crazy Here's a weird one: I hooked up a MASS Microsystem's 44meg Syquest drive to the 1542C SCSI adapter on my 486, and to my amazement, it worked perfectly! To me, that's just one of the coolest things in the world (that it works). NEXTSTEP even had a special syquest icon for the cartridge with a little apple on it (because it the cartridge was formatted on a Macintosh). Where the heck are you supposed to find out about things like this? Anyway, there's one problem. NEXTSTEP lets me format cartridges either for Macintosh, or NEXTSTEP, but not DOS. When I format a cartridge for the Mac it formats to the right capacity (somewhere around 40+ megs), but when I format it for NEXSTEP, I only get 10 megs? WHY??? Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? RoR
From: sandrac@unixg.ubc.ca (Sandra Christensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 19:06:50 -0800 Organization: University of British Columbia Message-ID: <sandrac-290394190650@port53.annex2.net.ubc.ca> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> <2na7uj$kth@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> In article <2na7uj$kth@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> wrote: I was waiting for a shipping product...
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: RFC: How would you like to register NEXTSTEP? Message-ID: <1507@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 30 Mar 94 09:12:37 GMT References: <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Peter Eisch writes > > I may be in a position where I can make a difference... > > There was some talk a couple months ago about how folks would like to > register their NS software. How 'bout some way that you STAY registered, and they don't lose your cards. I sent in 4 or 5 registration cards for 3.0 and 3.1, and they lost all but one of them, evidently. I only got one copy of 3.2. They also erased all registrations prior to 3.0, so if you bought a cube for, say, $15,000 a few years back and didn't upgrade past 2.1, you're not in the database (!).
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 30 Mar 1994 12:54:59 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2nbpak$6jd@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> <2na7uj$kth@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <sandrac-290394190650@port53.annex2.net.ubc.ca> sandrac@unixg.ubc.ca (Sandra Christensen) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >In article <2na7uj$kth@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> >wrote: > >I was waiting for a shipping product... Well, if this about that announcement in comp.sys.next.announce about the game development. Then I can only say that I believe there was some bad decision making apparent here. NeXT has very little market for games. Sure they might see a good response from the internet from people wanting a game of some description but today unless you are targeting financial services or MCCA in general you are redefining the word "risk". Don't quote Doom to me either. I don't believe Doom is intended to target a NeXT audience. -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
From: benji@alkymi.unit.no (Jrn Norheim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ATI Mach32 *ISA* possible?? Date: 30 Mar 1994 12:52:25 GMT Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway Message-ID: <2nbsm9$pr@ugle.unit.no> Hello! I have a simple question. Is it possible to use the ATI Mach32 GU+ *ISA* graphics adapter with NeXTStep 3.2? It didn't seem to work when I recently installed NS 3.2. It seemed to me like the driver only supported localbus ( or possibly the EISA/PCI bus ). Any help appreciated! -= Joern =-
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: RFC: How would you like to register NEXTSTEP? Date: 30 Mar 1994 13:40:02 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2nbrv2$7ld@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> <1507@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >Peter Eisch writes >> >> I may be in a position where I can make a difference... >> >> There was some talk a couple months ago about how folks would like to >> register their NS software. > >How 'bout some way that you STAY registered, and they don't lose your >cards. I sent in 4 or 5 registration cards for 3.0 and 3.1, and they >lost all but one of them, evidently. I only got one copy of 3.2. > >They also erased all registrations prior to 3.0, so if you bought a cube >for, say, $15,000 a few years back and didn't upgrade past 2.1, you're >not in the database (!). It confounds me as to why NeXT don't value those of us who got in early. ie. those of us who created the momentum in the first place. IMHO: It would only take a couple of very important NeXT developers to pack it in and the 3rd party market would be history. I applaud those of you (you know who you are) that have stuck it out to date. I think it shows great courage and resilence to continue to support the platform. Glenn's treatment is shocking. No doubt some new large scale NS/FIP customer who thinks NS is "Pretty" gets treated a hell of a lot better. Perhaps I'm niave to think that the small guy should be treated fairly but you "live and die by your reputation" NeXT's technical prowess has stead them well in this direction. It's a shame they can't pull their socks up in other areas. Glenn you failed to say wether you actually finally received all the copies your were entitled too. -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
From: brian@arl.wustl.edu (Brianosaurus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MANPATH and Edit.app Date: 29 Mar 1994 21:06:14 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Message-ID: <2na586$7p8@bigfoot.wustl.edu> I guess this could more generally apply to any environment variables from the Workspace, but here goes. I want to be able to include additional man page directories in my MANPATH that edit uses to search for Manual Pages (from the menu, or cmd-M). For a while I had a small csh script that I set up as my "loginwindow Workspace" in my defaults. The script set the variables and then ran Workspace. However, due to some changes in the system-wide .cshrc (which our administrators suggested we switch to), the csh script caused problems. So I changed it to a sh script. Now some very wierd things happen. The script follows: #!/bin/sh PGPPATH="/Brian's PGP Disk/.pgp" MANPATH=/usr/man:/pkg/local/man:/pkg/gnu/man:/usr/local/man:/home/arl/arlsw/b rian/NeXT/man:/home/arl/arlsw/brian/Unix/man:/home/arl/arlsw/flan/util/man /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/Workspace $* So this runs fine. But then for some strange reason it does not set the MANPATH. If I pipe from "printenv" into Edit, it shows HOME, PATH, SHELL, TERM, USER and PGPPATH (as set above). But no MANPATH. I thought that was wierd enough, but also with the sh script, I am unable to logout from the console. It just hangs after closing all of the applications, never to return to the login window. Is there a better way to add environment variables to the system than this? Or at least a way to add a MANPATH to Edit? brian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vrg@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (v.r.gopala.rao) Subject: information Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 21:40:55 GMT Message-ID: <CnG489.IMH@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> New to this area of computers. Could someone explain what a Nextstation is? Nextdimension? Black vs. White? Cube and who makes it, if somebody still does. Feel free to say as much as you want. Feel like dry sponge when it comes to Next and Nextstep. Thanks in anticipation. rao
From: geom2@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Michael Moellney ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MakeTeXPK and 600 dpi fonts Date: 30 Mar 1994 14:40:48 GMT Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nc31g$fka@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> References: <2naef9$2kh@dorito.cs.umd.edu> In article <2naef9$2kh@dorito.cs.umd.edu> rgc@cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: >Howdy, Fine, thanks! > I'm trying to use 600 dpi fonts (e.g. computer modern) in LaTeX on >NS/I 3.2. 300 dpi fonts work fine, but MakeTeXPK doesn't seem to handle >600 dpi fonts. Has someone already modified this script to support >600 dpi laser printers? Thanks! A problem I solved 4 weeks ago. You have to modify the MakeTeXPK, but you also have to change the mf-bases to recognice another output_mode. So I think more and more people are getting 600dpi at their hands, I uploaded an archive containing all needed files. You only will have to install them in the right places. See the README in this archive. You'll find a file called: 600dpi.tar.gz on the ftp-server: cs.orst.edu in directory: /pub/next/submissions this file will go to another place by time .. Feel free to ask further questions. My e-mail adress: moellney@michi.bota.uni-bonn.de (NeXTMAIL) >-- >Ross Cutler >University of Maryland, College Park >Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu -- Michael Moellney Universitaet Bonn, Germany Internet: moellney@michi.bota.uni-bonn.de
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Reading Amiga Disks on the NeXT Followup-To: poster Date: 30 Mar 1994 15:59:15 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2nc7kj$4l@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hi, I am a recent Amiga to NeXT convert. I own a NeXT 68040 Cube and I just need to get some of my old source code off of my old amiga disks. I also wanted to get some of my .gif and .jpg files off of them. Is there an app which will allow me to read Amiga Format Disks?? Thanx, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next Subject: Source for kermit Followup-To: poster Date: 30 Mar 1994 16:02:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2nc7q1$5i@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hi, where can I obtain a copy of kermit for the NeXT. If kermit is not what you use then, please, tell me of some other good telecommunication programs to use! Thanx, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 30 Mar 94 09:44:24 Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nca98$nig@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <1994Mar30.021514.9083@adobe.com> <2nauot$8qs@bones.et.byu.edu> Originator: yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu Well, it is silly to follow up to your own posts, so let's just pretend that I don't know any better... because obviously I don't... In article <x>, don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) writes: >There's also Whitelight Systems' Mission Critical Solitaire. This >one I can see businesses buying for their employees to play, since >most businesses that run on windows are paying their employees to >play solitaire on that platform. :-) (Not at all serious on that) >Actually, though, I bet Whitelight has given away more copies than >they've sold (if they've sold any) since they use it mostly as a >promotional gimmick as far as I can tell. Admittedly, the drag and >drop of the cards is _really_ nice--Bill did a great job with it. >Unlike the PD Solitaire game which feels like trudging through a >muddy swamp, the dragging is smooth. Hmmm...Don, what _are_ you doing here? Coming off just a little bit harsh aren't you? Although I do feel that the PD version of Solitaire is slower than the commercial game, that should actually be expected. Or rather, the free version is good, but if the commercial guy is going to sell the same thing, it had better be _loads_ better than the free game. After all, the free game is, well, free! Why pay for something you can have for free? :-) And, I shouldn't complain about the PD game, either, because I do see two advantages it has: (1) dynamically loadable bundles that allow you to add new games to it. And they're fun games; I keep both the commercial and the PD versions on my hard drive because of this. I just don't play Klondike on the PD version, that's all... (2) I like the artwork on the PD version's cards better. The MCSolitaire's artwork is far better than what was in the beta, but the PD solitaire has really pretty artwork. And those bigger cards (if you're in tha mode) will give a bit of a performance hit. I still will stand by Bill as doing a great job making MCSolitaire smooth though. So, sorry if anyone was offended by a slam that wasn't meant to be a slam. Shoot, if you want an unresponsive trudging through mud game, try PillBottle on level, say, 18 or higher. Maybe even 16. Man that's hard. Especially when a compile is running. Ow! -- Don_Yacktman@byu.edu Nepotism is a relative thing. don@darth.byu.edu (My NeXT at home. Send me NeXTMail. Pleeeease.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: DOS/MAC CD-ROM Access? Message-ID: <CnHt7z.9xv@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 19:38:21 GMT Can any of the commercially available CD-ROMs for PCs and MACs be used under NS3.2? If not, can the PC compatible ones be read on balck hardware running under SoftPC -- the non-windows version? Finally, if the answer is no to the foregoing, is there any solution in sight? --Tim -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcenmp.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is the Binary to send NeXTMail (not send_attach) Date: 30 Mar 1994 14:23:48 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403302023.AA03096@alleg.EDU> Sorry, but I have looked all over the archives for a binary I am sure that I had seen at some point. I cannot remember where I saw it or what it was called, only what it did: it did was created a NeXTMail Compose window with a file inside of it. This is different than send_attach, which is entirely command-line. Does anyone have any idea what I might be talking about? If so, please let me know. thanks Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola NeXT Mail YES/MIME Mail No/ASCII YES No Root access, no super-user access
From: me@vigor.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Syquest Drives Date: 30 Mar 1994 20:24:58 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ncn6q$73h@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <2nbk8g$4i1@crl.crl.com> In article <2nbk8g$4i1@crl.crl.com> gorgon@crl.com (Zach Copley) writes: > Here's a weird one: > > I hooked up a MASS Microsystem's 44meg Syquest drive to the 1542C SCSI > adapter on my 486, and to my amazement, it worked perfectly! To me, > that's just one of the coolest things in the world (that it works). > NEXTSTEP even had a special syquest icon for the cartridge with a little > apple on it (because it the cartridge was formatted on a Macintosh). > > Where the heck are you supposed to find out about things like this? > > Anyway, there's one problem. NEXTSTEP lets me format cartridges either > for Macintosh, or NEXTSTEP, but not DOS. When I format a cartridge for > the Mac it formats to the right capacity (somewhere around 40+ megs), but > when I format it for NEXSTEP, I only get 10 megs? WHY??? > > Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? > > RoR > You should expect Syquest drives to work, because all SCSI drives should work (including Bernoulli). I'm using the latest Syquest drive, 105Mb Marlin, under NSI 3.2 and it works fine. I have the same problem you have, that NS cannot read DOS formatted cartridges, and spoke to someone at Next about it. They said it's a bug that should be fixed in 3.3. But when I format a cartridge with a NS filesystem, I get all 105Mb. I don't know why you don't get full capacity, but sounds like a bug. Call NeXT.. Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: zhao@crl.nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Intel Exp16 & NS/I & SimpleNetSatrter Date: 30 Mar 94 16:36:30 Organization: Computing Research Lab Message-ID: <ZHAO.94Mar30163630@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu> I have an Intel EtherExp16 on an ALR Evolution V. I also loaded the undated driver got from NeXT. When I try to net the pc to a Sparc using NS/I 3.1 SimpleNetStarter, I alway run into the error: ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCGIFFLAGS): no such interface I couldn't figure out what is wrong. Neither, the Next technical support. I hope someone on the net has a solution. Regards, ZiZi
From: johnc@idcube.idsoftware.com (John Carmack) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to make a game live Date: 30 Mar 1994 18:26:49 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9403310012.AA25450@idcube.idsoftware.com> The original "death of a game" post didn't make it to my site, so forgive any of my assumptions here. You can't expect to get a real response to a new game from a new publisher before it is released. An Ultima 8 or DOOM II can get preorders, but not a brand new concept. You also can't expect to finance the completion of a product by having people pay for a beta of it. What you should do: Our biz model has worked very, very well for us (DOOM, wolf 3d, commander keen). Just in case some of you aren't familliar with it, the basic concept is to release a game to be freely distributed as widely as possible and direct sell an expanded version of it to the people that want it. You get very happy customers, because they know exactly what they are getting, rather than taking a gamble with prepackaged software. You also get a lot of feedback from everyone, which gives you a good "pulse" of you total potential market, which you can use to modify your future plans. Real, true shareware doesn't work for games. If people have the entire game, 90% of the people will play the entire thing, complete it, and have no more inclination to pay you for it. Crippled demos rub a lot of people the wrong way, so it is best to actually design completely independant data sets for the free version and the direct sale version. People need to truly enjoy the game (or better yet, be THRILLED by it). This sounds obvious, but an aweful lot of developers don't have the enjoyment of the user foremost. A lot of people aproach it as product development, and manage it to death. Many programmer centric companies concentrate on the technically interesting issues to the exlusion of the real important game design issues. The game needs to be data driven. The user must derive most of the entertainment from exploring game worlds, so that after completing the free episode, they want to explore the direct sale episodes. Strategy and simulation games DO NOT WORK under this biz model, because the user does not have sufficient motivation to buy the expanded package. Arguments can be made, but I stand by the statement. You need to take credit card orders. Some people will send checks, but you cut off a very large chunk of the market if people can't call on the spur of the moment. You DON'T need to cocentrate very much on marketing. If the game is good, your customers will be your marketing force. Marketing only differentiates otherwise similar products. A good product doesn't really need it. If your game fails, don't blame marketing. Blame your product. Where we (Id Software) are going from here: DOOM was targeted just at the PC market, but some interesting truths have arisen during the development of it. We won't be fully exploiting this with DOOM, but our next project will be influenced heavily by them. It is possible to make 95% of a game portable. We didn't make the sound and music code in DOOM portable, and we are kicking ourselves over it. We ported a version of DOOM to windows for a demo in a matter of HOURS (after we gave up on win32s development and used NT for development). We didn't intend for DOOM to be available on multiple platforms, but a couple more versions will probably filter out. The next game will be availble for just about every interesting platform. The actual income from all the other computer platforms won't necessarily be all that much (although power pc and windows could be large markets), but it gives us a lot of mindshare. Plus, its just cool. The game executable is free, people pay for the data. This has a number of positive benefits. The same executable runs the data for both the free episode and the direct episode, reducing maintenence. The really cool bit comes in when you consider multi platform distribution. DOOM runs under dos, NEXTSTEP, X (internally -- it will be released Real Soon Now), and has a demo version running under windows. They all use exactly the same data. This is a Good Thing. We can release updated executables freely for all platforms, and we don't need to make multiple masters for ditribution. DOOM requires the install to be run under dos, but future products will probably have the installation combined with the executable, so customers who want to buy the data for NeXT, SGI, or whatever, don't need to install to a dos machine just to pull the data over to another platform. Networking is the future. Guaranteed. Bottom line: I don't think a NS only game would be a really sound biz move. The only way I could really see it being a success is if it had a really great networking mode (including internet play). The work required to be competetive on a stand alone game requires a lot of man hours, but you can aim at a different level of richness for a networked game and still be cool. You could milk the market with expansion packs / sequals and possibly be profitable. Developing a portable game under NS is a great idea! The game won't get to really leverage NS, but all of you supporting utilities can use it to the fullest, and you can reach all the other target markets. John Carmack Technical Director Id Software
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 30 Mar 1994 19:22:43 -0500 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2nd54j$eeb@acme.gatech.edu> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> Keywords: game, dead michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) writes: >Hello, > I am Erik Buck, proprietor of EMB & Associates. >Now that the game "Cultural Evolution: Noblesse Oblige" is > In february 1994, after about 8,000 person hours of >development, thousands of dollars in operating expenses, and >a lot of tender loving care, "Cultural Evolution: Noblesse >Oblige" was announced in comp.sys.next.announce. At the >time, all that remained to complete and ship the game was >some revised art work, the creation of a manual/instruction >booklet, and the final polish that only game testers can >provide. I was amazed at how quickly the game was Why not release it without the revisions? You've got the product almost ready.. why not release it as an "almost done" game? afterall, you have nothing to lose by doing so. I think in most cases, people avoid pre-release software unless they've got some personal interest in being in the bleeding edge of technology..and the vast majority of people don't have that need. Therefore, basing the long term sucess of the game on your pre-release sales is sort short sighted. You don't know what your long-term sales will be, because the product still hasn't been released. I don't know if I'd buy it, since I didn't see the announcement..but if it was released and I saw a reasonable review on one of the groups, (note: not necessarily a professional review), I'd look in to buying it. I'm trying to move away from any use of my Dos/Windows partition, so I'm more likely to buy Nextstep applications.. if they're *released* products. I don't want to buy a product that never makes it to the market. Here's what I'd suggest: Release what you have at some reduced price, as a version 1.0. Offer free bug-fixes to anyone who buys now. Post it to announcements, but ALSO post it to c.s.next.software AND c.s.ibm.pc.games.(whichever), and reg.games.video.(whichever). At this point, your announcements are the only way people are going to see your product. Offer a rebate to the best 3 reviews you get before May 30th. Then post the best 3 reviews. Afterall, at this point, what have you got to lose? John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.getech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) ===========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.=============== "Tonya, the new cologne for men. One whif makes women weak in the knees" ===========================DOOM(1.2) ON YOU!=================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: DCOYLE@VAMPI.MPI-HD.MPG.DE (VA COYLE DAVE) Subject: Needed: UUCP in SW Germany Message-ID: <PRCNB80W@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: MPI KERNPHYSIK HEIDELBERG, GERMANY Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 13:36:13 GMT I have been unable to get any sort of decent mail setup for my NeXT through work (the MPI-K is heavily VMSified). What I need is an UUCP connection so that I can work at home more, and on my NeXT more (and who wouldn't want to do that?) My pocketbook could tolerate dialing in to a system anywhere from, say, Heidelberg to Zurich, but Tuebingen would be ideal, with Stuttgart a close second. So, what kindly person will take pity on me and give me a dialup UUCP account? (news not necessary, but would be handy) Or, if anyone knows how to interface with VMS for mail transfer, I'm all ears. expectantly, Dave MPI-Kernphysik, Heidelberg (where I am) SkiTracks International, Geislingen (where I wanna be)
From: dnelson@scrinext.scri.fsu.edu (Dru Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 31 Mar 1994 00:53:09 GMT Organization: Florida State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nd6tl$ahb@mailer.fsu.edu> References: <1994Mar30.021514.9083@adobe.com> <2nauot$8qs@bones.et.byu.edu> <2nca98$nig@bones.et.byu.edu> Making a game for Nextstep wasn't the problem. It can always use a good game. You did the business plan, but you let your emotions tell yourself that making a game was a possibility. This is alright, but I question your market data or understanding. Considering how hard it is to get that info in the first place, I think you were promising a little too much to the investors. Especially a crazy market like games. Look into the market some more, don't give up.
From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MOTO Releases/Announces 68040x2 Date: 31 Mar 1994 01:33:48 GMT Organization: Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nd99s$i89@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2n2836$1oo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <2n2836$1oo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> kdb@pegasus (Kurt D. Bollacker) writes: > Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU wrote: >> In article <2mpu54$fsu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: >>> I would think that the i486 model is a good one to look at >>> in trying to determine the effect of internal clock doubling. > >> As an answer to both of these, the figure I usually see for the 486DX2 >> is 70% of running (non-doubled) at the faster clock. Thus for a '040 25MHZ >> doubler, you'd end up with a speed comparible to having a 35MHZ system -- > > If there really is a 70% boost for CPU intesive tasks and the new part is > electrically compatible with the old 68040 33&25 parts, then this would > definitely be the best upgrade path for NeXT machines. Maybe, but don't imply that 70% from my estimates -- the numbers I gave imply a 40% boost over the processor you already have ~= 70% of the processor truly running twice as fast externally & internally. - Christopher
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Subject: Re: NeXTStep Pricing (WAS Re: CeBIT) Message-ID: <CnI16I.1B4@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <1994Mar19.181513.3494@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> <1994Mar30.034656.1142@kira.net.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 22:30:22 GMT In article <1994Mar30.034656.1142@kira.net.netcom.com> netcom.com!kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) writes: >In article <1994Mar19.181513.3494@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> >kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: >> In article <2mdjuj$1ag@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, >> Michael Sanderson <msander@bnr.ca> wrote: >> >[ chomp ] >> >to do so without having to sell the farm so to speak. Why can't the >> >student pricing scheme be elevated to the next (pun intended) level, >> >where individuals such as myself can enjoy reasonably priced software >[chomp] >> > >> >Whew, glad I got that off my chest. >> >-Michael >> >> >> I second that motion. >> Kurt > >I guess I third that. I just got back from vacation to discover that NS >Developer has been raised to $3K (and it sounds like NS User is still a >separate package). With a price like that, my next OS isn't going to be >NEXTSTEP, no matter how much I love the GUI and development tools... > >Sigh. > >david john burrowes David John isn't one to toot his own horn, but he's the author of the cool tools that convert from PICT to EPS. His tools are handy, and they're free and the source is included. Losing David John and others like him is not a good sign. --Cliff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tachang@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Andrew Chang) Subject: 3rd Party CDs and black CD driver Message-ID: <1994Mar31.055506.14271@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 05:55:06 GMT I just wonder what CDs black CD driver can read. What are the standards? Thanks. -- Andrew C. Chang Graduate School of Business University of Chicago Chicago, IL 60615
From: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu (Dhiren Jeram Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Transferring NS FIP from IDE to SCSI drive -- possible? Date: 31 Mar 1994 01:38:30 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ne5mm$96m@girtab.usc.edu> I have a problem someone may have (hopefully) solved already: I'm currently running NS FIP on a Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V with a 424MB IDE drive. I just got a new Micropolis SCSI drive onto which I'd like to transfer my system so I can get rid of the IDE drive. I'd also like to keep a DOS partition on it, and this is where the problem lies. I'm using an Adaptec 1542CF controller, and NS won't boot if I enable the controller's BIOS. If I diable the BIOS, NS will boot off of the IDE drive, and recognize the SCSI drive, but then I can't seem to run fdisk to partition the drive for both DOS and NS. fdisk gives an error message that says something like "bogus bios info... some bios' can't handle non-sequential targets." If anyone has any ideas as to what's going on here, I'd really appreciate a push in the right direction. Dhiren Patel [^_^]
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The low down on PPP? Date: 31 Mar 1994 10:42:01 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2ne5t9$j2@steffi.demon.co.uk> Ok, what's the lowdown on PPP solutions for NeXTSTEP? In the last month I've heard people talking about an existing development project to get ppp working or to (preferably) rewrite it from scratch. Just the facts!!! Also, what is MorningStar PPP like (cost?) NS3.2? (Hardware?) -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 30 Mar 1994 20:35:33 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ncnql$jdt@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2nauot$8qs@bones.et.byu.edu> don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) writes: > Ah, well, if the topic of games comes up, I'm expected to > post something, so here we go. > > Obligatory post follows. > > Perry A. Caro writes > ) I wonder how Lighthouse did with Void? That's the only other > ) commercial game that I know of. > > There was also (for a time, now it's free PD software) CultureShock > by Athena Design. Yep. I got that. Nice game. > There was also an interesting game called Ragnarok, which was OK but > needed smarter computer players. Playing against another human on the > net isn't so bad, though. But the sound effects were really cheesy > for a commercial game. (Almost as bad as, say, the silly noises in > that shareware PillBottle game. :-) ) I also picked up Ragnarok. I like it, but haven't played it much to get the hang of the strategy. While you think it needed smarter players, the better players of the ones that were provided generally beat me. I still like it though. > And there is Rocks, of course, which is a variation on Xox. (As such, > I bet Xox, which was released first, stole a lot of it's thunder.) My > main complaint is that the ship turns too slowly and the bullets can't > be fired off as fast as they can be in Xox--so it's way too hard to be > enjoyable, IMHO. Xox is plenty hard... I've got Rocks too. I wish it had the "full screen mode" that Xox does, and that it was a bit more responsive. I used to spend an enormous amount of money playing Asteroids and Deluxe Asteroids (the arcade games), and for me it's great to see these kinds of games available on NS! I just wish I had "regular arcade game controls" (so to speak) instead of having them tied into the keyboard. Maybe the move to Intel hardware helps this out. > I'll bet the sales figures on Void weren't (aren't) all that great > though. There's a critical flaw: you _have_ to buy three licenses > at once, for a grand total of $99! I could justify $33 for a single > user license, but not $99 on a student's budget. I believe they > argued that the game was meant for multiple users. Heh heh. I bought Void too. Actually bought it with a few others, so we could all play around with it. Cool game, but not quick enough on my machine (which at the time only had 8 meg of RAM in it, if I remember right). > There's also Whitelight Systems' Mission Critical Solitaire. I guess I'm still a little disappointed with the speed of the Solitaire games on NS. The versions of Canfield and Klondike on the Mac seem much faster to work with (but then they aren't quite as fancy with graphics). Of course, I ended up having to rip all those card games off my mac, cause I spent too much time playing them. I also took of the card games for NS, as I was clearly going to start playing them too often too! (I spent an entire weekend playing with the freebee one, even though I do think it's a bit sluggish compared to the Mac one. Sluggish, but still addicting for me, I guess). Now, having admitted to buying all too many games for my NeXT's, I should be honest and say that I don't know that I'd have bought this "Cultural Evolution: Noblesse Oblige" game. I'm generally into arcade-style games, or card games. I certainly wouldn't have bought the game before it was officially released. I'd like to see this game reappear, just because I think games are useful to have around (as silly as that may seem). Hopefully there would be some way to resurrect this game, long enough for some people to buy into the final version and report on how they liked it. I do expect that the games market for NeXTSTEP machines is probably rather small right now, but it is growing and it'd be a shame to have to abandon a game. I also do realize that the departure of NeXTWORLD does make it a bit harder to advertise for customers, but there should be some solutions to that problem soon. Would you're backers be interested if they felt there was a likely place to advertise the product? One announcement in csn.announce is simply not going to drum up a lot of business for you. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kevins@bmd.com Subject: Re: The death of a game Message-ID: <1994Mar31.104949.2830@bMD.com> Sender: kevins@bMD.com (Kevin Solie) Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. (Lex., KY) References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 10:49:49 GMT In article <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) writes: > Hello, > When we received only 7 orders, my investors were > worried. When NeXTWorld died, the game died. One whole month? Hung in there until the very end ;^) Just put the thing on the net and let it go from there. I made a silly game named CyberZone a while back and dared people to send me money. For some reason they did. Now I'm Director of Development for a company publishing a really cool imaging app named TIFFany. I must say I'm glad I didn't give up after the first slow month (nth slow month ;^) --- Man, that needle was really starting to piss me off! Kevin Solie Director of Development: benchMark Developments, Inc. Director: Kentucky NEXTSTEP Users Group Software Engineer: Alternate Worlds Technology -- Man, that needle was really starting to piss me off!
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 31 Mar 1994 15:10:48 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2nep5o$k89@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> <2nd54j$eeb@acme.gatech.edu> Keywords: game, dead gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (John) writes: >michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) writes: >>Hello, >> I am Erik Buck, proprietor of EMB & Associates. >>Now that the game "Cultural Evolution: Noblesse Oblige" is >> In february 1994, after about 8,000 person hours of >>development, thousands of dollars in operating expenses, and >>a lot of tender loving care, "Cultural Evolution: Noblesse >>Oblige" was announced in comp.sys.next.announce. At the >>time, all that remained to complete and ship the game was >>some revised art work, the creation of a manual/instruction >>booklet, and the final polish that only game testers can >>provide. I was amazed at how quickly the game was I'm one of those seven people who ordered "Cultural Evolution", and I was real sorry to read this announcement, for several reasons. 1) New products coming to this shaky market give me a warm all-over glow of confidence that I didn't make a complete idiot of myself in choosing the NS paltform. :=) The fact of new games showing up at leasts suggests that NS is a going concern for lowly end-users such as myself. 2) I'm a "Civilization" fiend - I spent several weekends last year building my digital culture up from the Neolithic to star-travel, stopping only to heed nature's call - and its performance under SoftPC is, um, an exercise in time dilation. Furthermore, I expect the application of NeXTSTEP graphics and audio to such a rich environment would be awesome. If it looks purty good in VGA, what would it look like native?! 3) I have some formal training in this subject (B.A. in anthropology, 2.5 years of gradute study in archaeology, including studies of the origins of complex societies) and was really looking forward to seeing how "Cultural Evolution" was going to handle these issues. >Here's what I'd suggest: Release what you have at some reduced price, >as a version 1.0. Offer free bug-fixes to anyone who buys now. Post it >to announcements, but ALSO post it to c.s.next.software AND >c.s.ibm.pc.games.(whichever), and reg.games.video.(whichever). At this >point, your announcements are the only way people are going to see >your product. Offer a rebate to the best 3 reviews you get before May 30th. >Then post the best 3 reviews. Afterall, at this point, what have you got >to lose? I'd be happy to review "Cultural evolution" as it stands and post my thoughts to this and other newsgroups. I consider myself a good candidate for the reasonsenumerated above. Cheers, Steve -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
From: npratt@glacier.sim.es.com (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Syquest Drives Date: 31 Mar 1994 15:44:31 GMT Organization: E&S Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ner4v$gu1@cnn.sim.ES.COM> References: <2ncn6q$73h@netnews.upenn.edu> In article 73h@netnews.upenn.edu, me@vigor.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) writes: > In article <2nbk8g$4i1@crl.crl.com> gorgon@crl.com (Zach Copley) writes: > > Here's a weird one: > > > > I hooked up a MASS Microsystem's 44meg Syquest drive to the 1542C SCSI > > adapter on my 486, and to my amazement, it worked perfectly! > > Anyway, there's one problem.... > > when I format it for NEXSTEP, I only get 10 megs? WHY??? > > > > Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? I have used a 44meg Syquest drive on black and white for years, and never had this problem. I currently have it on white, using a 1542B controller. Again, it formats a NeXTSTEP partition fully. No problems. Nevin
From: seidl@next1.lbl.gov (Peter Seidl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: diskspace mysteriously disappearing Date: 31 Mar 1994 17:17:33 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nf0jd$3q@overload.lbl.gov> I have a cube with a 350 MB disk, aoubt 92% used up (its been about 90% used for a long time now), and recently, mainly if I've stayed logged in for a couple of days, the next time i do something on it a lot of disk activity happens, for a minute, causing a slow response (swapping??) and several megabytes of space becomes unavailable. The lost disk space is recovered upon reboot. However, it seems that this is happening much more frequently now. Any ideas on what the problem might be? -- Peter Seidl Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Berkeley, CA 94720 seidl@next1.lbl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: anis@netcom.com (Anis Khwaja) Subject: Taylor UUCP Help Needed Message-ID: <anisCnJGoL.KI1@netcom.com> Keywords: UUCP,Taylor Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 17:02:44 GMT I would like to know If there is compiled version of Taylor UUCP 1.04 on the archives? I have downloaded the sources and tried to make them but no luck. If some one who has successfully made it and install perhaps would like to help me do the same I would be appreciate it very much. Please email me response . Thanks anis
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT publications??? Date: 31 Mar 1994 18:50:34 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2nf61q$pvv@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Do any NeXT related publications still exists?? -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: nsca_httpd in 3.2? Date: 31 Mar 1994 20:01:42 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2nf6mm$7em@steffi.demon.co.uk> I'm lazy and I don't need this enough to spend time on it. Has anybody put together as set of patches to allow this to build easily in 3.2? -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
From: ccpaulh@monad.missouri.edu (H. Paul Hammann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: SCSI Hard Drives for Black Cube : Recommendation wanted Date: 29 Mar 1994 01:55:02 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Columbia Distribution: World Message-ID: <2n81q4$igk@golf.ustores.missouri.edu> Keywords: HD, cube, SCSI Hello all, I'm in the market for a few of ~1 Gig SCSI HD's to chain onto the back of a cube. Main concerns are: Warranty, Ease of addition, reliability, and cost. If anybody has any recommendations, suggestions, horror stories, and/or personal experiences please let me know. Thanks. -- H. Paul Hammann ccpaulh@monad.missouri.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ramirez.Princeton.EDU!crb (Curtis Bahn) Subject: jpg format graphic files Message-ID: <1994Mar28.200340.17407@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Distribution: USA Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 20:03:40 GMT Are there any PD graphics programs that would allow me to view or convert .jpg files for a monochrome cube? Thanks Curtis Bahn
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nsca_httpd in 3.2? Date: 31 Mar 1994 22:00:17 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nfh5i$4fk@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <2nf6mm$7em@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2nf6mm$7em@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > I'm lazy and I don't need this enough to spend time on it. > > Has anybody put together as set of patches to allow this to build > easily in 3.2? I built it last month but I don't remember needing any patches. It Just Worked. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mosaic for NeXTstation Message-ID: <2nfdgv$1lt@kasey.umkc.edu> From: dmedhi@cstp.umkc.edu (Deep Medhi) Date: 31 Mar 1994 20:58:07 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City Where can I get Mosaic for NeXTstation running 2.1? Thanks. deep medhi univ of missouri-kansas city
From: stoleson@stutter.rchland.ibm.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Need some information to advocate about NeXTSTEP Date: 31 Mar 1994 23:44:44 GMT Organization: IBM Rochester, MN Message-ID: <2nfn9c$kk5@locutus.rchland.ibm.com> References: <CnGt37.JtG@mcs.anl.gov> <nagelc.4.0010AF42@landru.cpr.upenn.edu> In <nagelc.4.0010AF42@landru.cpr.upenn.edu>, nagelc@landru.cpr.upenn.edu (Christopher Nagel) writes: >In article <CnGt37.JtG@mcs.anl.gov> korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) writes: >>From: korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) >>Subject: Need some information to advocate about NeXTSTEP >>Keywords: NeXT, NeXTSTEP, Visual Basic, MVC, Objective-C >>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 06:37:54 GMT > >>I am looking at providing information to higher level management about the >>benefits that NeXTSTEP has in developing applications. >> ... > >In my (adittedly middling) experience, it's best to find out what the higher >level management already wants and find ways to justify that. If they don't >already want NS, then for G-d's sake--don't you convince them otherwise! > >That's NeXT's job. If NeXT can't do it, then why should you put your >job on the line?? Believe me, if NeXT isn't already a presence in your org, >then your job *will* be on the line if *you* get them in there. > >NS isn't worth your career, is it? > >Chris Yeah Peter, you better listen to Chris, you certainly wouldn't want your management to know any of the benefits of the NEXTSTEP platform. I am sure he knows everything about your organization and how your company works, so you should listen to Chris. Don't rock that boat, just shutup and follow the orders that come from above and smile and nod your approval. Peter, if all you are interested in is keeping your job than do exactly what Chris said. If you want to take the chance to improve yourself and your company then by all means get some serious information about NEXTSTEP, if it works out, maybe you'll get promoted. Chris, Peter was asking for information on NEXTSTEP, not how to conduct his business. All he was asking for was acquiring some knowledge that he could present to his management about the benefits of using NEXTSTEP, and comparing this to other GUI development platforms. And, you yourself admit to being nothing but a brown-noser anyway. "Find out what higher managament wants . . .", what a bunch of crap You might keep a job by sucking up, but you will never be a success. Hey Peter, if you look at Chris's previous post, you see he is nothing but a NeXT-hater anyway, don't listen to him. -dave ++++++I don't speak for IBM++++++++
From: jason_fosback@psca.com (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 31 Mar 1994 19:38:26 GMT Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nf8ri$kcd@ftp-p.mccaw.com> References: <2nca98$nig@bones.et.byu.edu> Eric- I'm very sorry to hear about the demise of your game; anyone that takes time and energy to produce a game for NEXTSTEP deserves kudos. However, I'll add my vote to those that wanted to see it first. I won't go as far as some to say that it should be shareware, but a demo is NECESSARY. Even most of the high-end PC games (Ultima VIII, EOB III, etc) have demos available. When it's almost defacto-standard to release demo versions of NEXTSTEP software to the net, how could a game succeed without following the norm? If you were to release the game to the net as it is, disabled in some fashion as a demo release, you would probably have 65 sales in TWO months. Less if your game is as good as it sounds. Ask your backers how they would feel about this. If you can make your target just by releasing a demo, with NO OTHER ADVERTISING, wouldn't that be a good enough sign? -jason ____________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, Systems Engineer | No sir, I didn't like it --- Paradigm Systems Corp --- | -R&S Internet: jason_fosback@psca.com | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jason_fosback@psca.com | The NeXT Generation...
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Syquest Drives Date: 31 Mar 1994 09:33:00 GMT Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2ne5cc$eq@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2nbk8g$4i1@crl.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Zach Copley writes > Here's a weird one: > > I hooked up a MASS Microsystem's 44meg Syquest drive to the 1542C SCSI > adapter on my 486, and to my amazement, it worked perfectly! To me, > that's just one of the coolest things in the world (that it works). > NEXTSTEP even had a special syquest icon for the cartridge with a little > apple on it (because it the cartridge was formatted on a Macintosh). My old 44 MB SyQuest is perfect in locking up the SCSI bus. Since I bought a DEC DSP hard disk, I had to remove the SyQuest, otherwise I had frequent SCSI bus crashes. I could watch this effect even if I connect it to other machines. The only machine that works with it is my black NeXTStation. > Anyway, there's one problem. NEXTSTEP lets me format cartridges either > for Macintosh, or NEXTSTEP, but not DOS. When I format a cartridge for > the Mac it formats to the right capacity (somewhere around 40+ megs), but > when I format it for NEXSTEP, I only get 10 megs? WHY??? > > Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? I've noticed that with Adaptec, too. It works for me (if the SCSI bus does not crash for some minutes) with the DPT and the NeXTStation. The problem about formatting DOS filesystem on SyQuest is that there is no common scheme for dealing with removable media under DOS, each controller has its own method and driver. So it is simply not possible for NS to format a SyQuest cartridge with DOS. Check if the "only 10 MB" effect remains if you disable the Adaptec's BIOS (which is not used by NeXTSTEP). Regards, Markus. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Veni, vidi, NeXTSTEPi.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wfischer@bio.indiana.edu (Will Fischer) Subject: On-the-fly doc de/compression Message-ID: <CnJpMM.1Dw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 20:15:58 GMT There was a posting a couple of months ago about the imminent release of a shareware(?) app to compress man pages, Shakespeare, Webster, et al. and de-compress "on-the-fly". Any knowledge as to whether this app was ever completed or released? I could sure use the disk space... -- Will ________________________________________________________________________ \\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/ Will Fischer In the old time the facts of Nature were beautiful in themselves and Gradual Student needed not the rouge of speculation Department of Biology to quicken their charm, but that was Indiana University long ago, before modern science Bloomington, Indiana 47401 USA was born. wfischer@indiana.edu -- William Bateson, 1893
From: brian@arl.wustl.edu (Brianosaurus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MANPATH and Edit.app Date: 31 Mar 1994 20:47:58 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Message-ID: <2nfctu$j68@bigfoot.wustl.edu> References: <2na586$7p8@bigfoot.wustl.edu> Thanks to all the replies about adding the "export" command to my script. That should solve at least one problem. Now I just need to figure out how to make the system not hang when I logout. brian
From: nagelc@landru.cpr.upenn.edu (Christopher Nagel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Need some information to advocate about NeXTSTEP Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 16:40:57 Organization: U of PA Message-ID: <nagelc.4.0010AF42@landru.cpr.upenn.edu> References: <CnGt37.JtG@mcs.anl.gov> Keywords: NeXT, NeXTSTEP, Visual Basic, MVC, Objective-C In article <CnGt37.JtG@mcs.anl.gov> korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) writes: >From: korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp)>Subject: Need some information to advocate about NeXTSTEP >Keywords: NeXT, NeXTSTEP, Visual Basic, MVC, Objective-C >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 06:37:54 GMT >I am looking at providing information to higher level management about the >benefits that NeXTSTEP has in developing applications. > ... In my (adittedly middling) experience, it's best to find out what the higher level management already wants and find ways to justify that. If they don't already want NS, then for G-d's sake--don't you convince them otherwise! That's NeXT's job. If NeXT can't do it, then why should you put your job on the line?? Believe me, if NeXT isn't already a presence in your org, then your job *will* be on the line if *you* get them in there. NS isn't worth your career, is it? Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Books Message-ID: <CnICKy.M4n@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <2n6oek$oi4@transfer.stratus.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 02:36:33 GMT In article <2n6oek$oi4@transfer.stratus.com> hship@zen.cac.stratus.com writes: >Could some kind soul please post the full names and ISBN numbers of a >couple of NeXTSTEP books. > >Adobe's postscript book (the purple book). ISBN 0-201-58135-3 > >Brian Cox's Objective-C book (or any other really good Obj-C books). ISBN 0-201-54834-8 (For the Second Edition) >Thanks! [munch] -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@trillium.ab.ca | (Albert Einstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bobcook@slac.stanford.edu (Bob Cook) Subject: Re: NeXT and afs Message-ID: <CnK9HD.77A@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <2n9uc1$9v@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 03:24:48 GMT James Nielsen writes > > I just managed to get afs mounted on my next using the transarc >package, but I have some lingering questions. First of all, I have to run >klog in order to authenticate myself...is there any way to get automatic >authentication (so I don't have to open up a terminal)? My username and >password are the same on both accounts. I don't know one, so if you find out, let me know. > Also, the workspace doesn't really recognize that I own my afs >files. I can read files using Edit.app (after I changed the directory >permissions to world readable), and I can save from Edit, but I can't copy >files from my system to my afs account, or create new folders in the afs >account from the Workspace. Am I perhaps missing something in the >complicated world of afs permissions? That's not my experience. After I do a klog, I can both create and destroy directories and files in my AFS space. -- Bob Cook bobcook@slac.stanford.edu Stanford Linear Accelerator Center NeXT mail okay
From: phyd@interaccess.com (Brian Leake) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: information Date: 30 Mar 1994 17:11:35 -0600 Organization: InterAccess, Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Distribution: na Message-ID: <2nd0v7$mvp@home.interaccess.com> References: <CnG489.IMH@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Is anybody aware of drivers for the following cards being available yet? - Bus Logic 445S (Local Bus SCSI) Number Nine GXE with 4Mb (Local Bus Graphics) I've been waiting for these for ages it seems. - Brian. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Image Art Take the next "No problems... Only Solutions" Brian Leake step with NEXTSTEP phyd@interaccess.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXTStep Pricing (WAS Re: CeBIT) Message-ID: <CnIFLt.A2@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1994Mar30.034656.1142@kira.net.netcom.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 03:41:53 GMT In article <1994Mar30.034656.1142@kira.net.netcom.com> netcom.com!kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) writes: #In article <1994Mar19.181513.3494@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> #kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: #> In article <2mdjuj$1ag@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, #> Michael Sanderson <msander@bnr.ca> wrote: #> >[ chomp ] #> >to do so without having to sell the farm so to speak. Why can't the #> >student pricing scheme be elevated to the next (pun intended) level, #> >where individuals such as myself can enjoy reasonably priced software #[chomp] #> > #> >Whew, glad I got that off my chest. #> >-Michael #> #> #> I second that motion. #> Kurt # #I guess I third that. I just got back from vacation to discover that NS #Developer has been raised to $3K (and it sounds like NS User is still a #separate package). With a price like that, my next OS isn't going to be #NEXTSTEP, no matter how much I love the GUI and development tools... Well for $4000 you can buy a HP Gecko. I say saw the writeup in the April issue of the now defunct NeXTWORLD. I think my next NeXTSTEP machine will be either a DEC Alpha or HP 712. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep Pricing (WAS Re: CeBIT) Date: 31 Mar 1994 00:53:05 -0500 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: na Message-ID: <2ndog1$47c@digifix.digifix.com> References: <CnIFLt.A2@infoserv.com> > In article <1994Mar30.034656.1142@kira.net.netcom.com> > netcom.com!kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) writes: > #In article <1994Mar19.181513.3494@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us> > #kurt@frsvnsvn.irvine.ca.us (Kurt Werle) writes: > #> In article <2mdjuj$1ag@bmerha64.bnr.ca>, > #> Michael Sanderson <msander@bnr.ca> wrote: > #> >[ chomp ] > #> >to do so without having to sell the farm so to speak. Why can't the > #> >student pricing scheme be elevated to the next (pun intended) level, > #> >where individuals such as myself can enjoy reasonably priced software > #[chomp] > #> > > #> >Whew, glad I got that off my chest. > #> >-Michael > #> > #> > #> I second that motion. > #> Kurt > # > #I guess I third that. I just got back from vacation to discover that NS > #Developer has been raised to $3K (and it sounds like NS User is still a > #separate package). With a price like that, my next OS isn't going to be > #NEXTSTEP, no matter how much I love the GUI and development tools... Why pay $3K when Next will sell it to you now for $995 complete? -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: mark@azalea.cs.odu.edu (Mark Imbriaco) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nsca_httpd in 3.2? Date: 01 Apr 1994 09:28:11 GMT Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA Message-ID: <MARK.94Apr1042811@azalea.cs.odu.edu> References: <2nf6mm$7em@steffi.demon.co.uk> In-reply-to: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk's message of 31 Mar 1994 20:01:42 +0100 > I'm lazy and I don't need this enough to spend time on it. > > Has anybody put together as set of patches to allow this to build > easily in 3.2? Yeah, it's called a makefile. You edit it for your system, and type: 'make' and _viola!_ it works. <go figure, huh?> :-) -- --- Mark Imbriaco mark@cs.odu.edu
From: kanna@cs.nyu.edu (Kanna Rajan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Webster<->Gopher repost Date: 31 Mar 1994 17:49:08 GMT Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nf2ek$psp@slinky.cs.nyu.edu> I'd posted the following a couple of days ago, when we had some newsfeed problems, so am not sure whether it went out of our campus. Any help will be appreciated. __________________________________________________________________________ I don't know if this is the right place to post; do excuse if not. Here's a problem that's been plaguing me for a while. I'm trying to connect a NeXT running NS 3.0 with a local gopher client, using the webster deamon code from Indiana Univ. which is known to work with NS 2.0+. Apparently due to some incompatibility with the Objective C libraries, I was unable to compile the source, so am running the websterd on the NeXT with the "pre-packaged" binary. The gopher client sends the query via a perl script (also running on the NeXT) which talks to the websterd. When I use the webster client program (also from Indiana) and talk directly to the webster port, all is well. All is well too, when I telnet in directly into the webster deamon's port. However if I query the deamon via the gopher, the deamon hangs. And when that happens, if I kill ONLY the (webster) deamon I DO get the correct dictionary output (albeit without format control) on the client side (whether it be a tty from telnet or the gopher client). Does anyone have a clue as to what's going on ? Any help/pointers would be greatly appreciated. -Kanna Rajan Courant Institute NY, NY
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nsca_httpd in 3.2? Date: 1 Apr 1994 12:40:44 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2nh17t$85g@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2nf6mm$7em@steffi.demon.co.uk> <MARK.94Apr1042811@azalea.cs.odu.edu> My mistake I defined -DNeXT (wrongly I know) instead of -DNEXT... -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
From: dl@apysoft.oleane.com (Denis Laffont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mosaic for NeXTstation Date: 1 Apr 1994 13:15:15 GMT Organization: OleANe Ceane Networks Message-ID: <2nh6p3$sr2@relay2.oleane.net> References: <2nfdgv$1lt@kasey.umkc.edu> In article <2nfdgv$1lt@kasey.umkc.edu> writes: > Where can I get Mosaic for NeXTstation running 2.1? > try the very neat OmniWeb. It is still a pre-release, it is not the classical NCSA mosaic but it is pretty cool... Take omnifilter too... the site is ftp.omnigroup.com the W3 server is: http://www.omnigroup.com Very impressive... Hope this helps, Denis -- Denis Lafont Oleane, French Internet Provider dl@apysoft.oleane.com 35 Boulevard de la Liberation Tel:(33-1)43.28.52.52/ 94300 Vincennes-France
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT and afs Date: 1 Apr 1994 17:30:41 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nhlo1$9m1@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <CnK9HD.77A@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> In article <CnK9HD.77A@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> bobcook@slac.stanford.edu (Bob Cook) writes: > James Nielsen writes > > > > I just managed to get afs mounted on my next using the transarc > >package, but I have some lingering questions. First of all, I have to run > >klog in order to authenticate myself...is there any way to get automatic > >authentication (so I don't have to open up a terminal)? My username and > >password are the same on both accounts. > > I don't know one, so if you find out, let me know. In the AFS distribution from University of Michigan there is a program called loginwindow.afs32a. This will kerberize your NS logwindow. I used it for a while, but it was a bit buggy and I finally decided it wasn't worth the hassle. > > Also, the workspace doesn't really recognize that I own my afs > >files. I can read files using Edit.app (after I changed the directory > >permissions to world readable), and I can save from Edit, but I can't copy > >files from my system to my afs account, or create new folders in the afs > >account from the Workspace. Am I perhaps missing something in the > >complicated world of afs permissions? > > That's not my experience. After I do a klog, I can both create and destroy > directories and files in my AFS space. This works for me too---most of the time. Every now and then it doesn't seem to work right. This probably does have to do with the AFS permissions, but I've never taken the time to figure out exactly when it works and when it doesn't. I don't want to give the impression that AFS on the NeXT is unstable. To the contrary, it seems to work pretty well overall. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: d91-elu@dront.nada.kth.se (Erik Lundström) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: MUX 1.4 binaries? Date: 1 Apr 1994 18:19:33 GMT Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nhojl$ftd@news.kth.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Where can I find Mux 1.4 binaries? //David Wallin. m94dwa@student.tdb.uu.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: boonlow@kits.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) Subject: USR wouldn't do 14.4 transfer Message-ID: <boonlow.765224146@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca (seymour news) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 18:15:46 GMT Hey there, I have a USR 14,400 external fax modem and I am having tons's of problem from it under NS. Whenever I tried any serial communication, things like serial loging or SLIP connection, I will keep losing characters if I set the baudrate on the communication over 9600 bps. MY screen will get all screwed up, characters will be lost e.t.c I tried Modulator, TipTop and set the baudrate above 9600 bps, all the problem will be there if the baudrate is set greater than 9600bps. Could it be NS doesn't support my modem or SW problems ? I have an Intel 486 with LocalBus motherboard. However, the modem is external and my I/O controller card is only ISA and not VESA. According to be friend, this might constitute to the problem of losing characters and if I get a VESA controller card with the UART 16500 chip, my problem would go away. BTW, I have a UART 16500 chip already on my present ISA controller/serial card. I am running NS3.2 on a Intel machine. Only my ATI video card is VESA, the rest are all ISA. I tried to asked around, my sysadmin e.t.c but no people seem to be able to help me. I have no problems with running at 14.4 under DOS or Windows, only NS. Therefore, I would really appreciate it if someone can take the time to drop me some adive/help. Thanks. - Ben.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ppp primer needed NeXT<modem>Mac Message-ID: <1994Apr1.112355.14883@cc.usu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 1 Apr 94 11:23:54 MDT Organization: As little as I can get away with... I'd like to connect my Mac (home) to the net via a NeXT (at work). If anyone has thrashed this out, I'd appreciate the benefit of your experience.
From: vamp@csulb.edu (VampLestat) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mosaic for NeXTstation Date: 1 Apr 1994 15:07:30 -0800 Organization: Me, organized? You gotta be kidding. Message-ID: <2ni9fj$9pd@tern.csulb.edu> References: <2nfdgv$1lt@kasey.umkc.edu> <2nh6p3$sr2@relay2.oleane.net> And Denis Laffont<dl@apysoft.oleane.com> spake unto the masses: >> Where can I get Mosaic for NeXTstation running 2.1? > >try the very neat OmniWeb. It is still a pre-release, it is not the >classical NCSA mosaic but it is pretty cool... > >Take omnifilter too... >the site is ftp.omnigroup.com >the W3 server is: http://www.omnigroup.com >Very impressive... Except that Omniweb doesnt run under 2.1. :) The original post indicated he was looking for Mosaic that would run under 2.1, and I Omniweb is a 3.0+ only app, and I have yet to see a 2.1 binary for XMosaic. What I've had to do so far is run Co-Xist on 2.1 and then rlogin to a 3.0 machine and xhost and display on my 2.1 machine. -- _O_ Ryan L. Watkins i tried to tell her | vamp@beach.csulb.edu about marx and engels, god and angels | finger for pgp public key i don't really know what for aka VampLestat but she looked good in ribbons - som
From: mgilula@inca.gate.net (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The death of a game Date: 1 Apr 1994 18:14:44 -0500 Message-ID: <2ni9t4$koc@inca.gate.net> References: <2na1ug$8uq@meaddata.meaddata.com> <2nb4hp$cbl@yucca.omnigroup.com> William Shipley (wjs@yucca.omnigroup.com) wrote: : Erik, : You could sell your game the way other NeXT vendors sell software; put a : crippled version on the FTP sites, contact the major NEXTSTEP clients : directly, develop a good relationship with NeXT employees so that they : recommend your software to new customers, etc. I totally agree with this!I hate to see Erik's game totally salted away in some cyber-dumpster. : On the other hand, your business plan may have been a bit optimistic. : The NeXT isn't a big home machine right now, and office people don't : play a lot of games. Games are written for NEXTSTEP because people : love NEXTSTEP, not because they want to make a bunch of money. : I'd love to program games for NEXTSTEP as well, but right now I'm : concentrating on helping the market get big enough to support a game : company. : BTW, if your game is so close to being done, you might as well put a : crippled version on the archive sites and let people send you money for : the full one. You won't make as much as Id, but you might do OK, and : it'd be a shame for all that creative effort to go down the tank. Second the motion again. C/mon, Erik.... give us a chance to see the game -73- Marshall Gilula mgilula@inca.gate.net -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@inca.gate.net el que busca nada mucho encuentra" Carpe resurrectionem mortuorum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrown@wri.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Re: diskspace mysteriously disappearing Message-ID: <CnLGBw.GB9@wri.com> Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <2nf0jd$3q@overload.lbl.gov> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 18:50:17 GMT In article <2nf0jd$3q@overload.lbl.gov> seidl@next1.lbl.gov writes: >I have a cube with a 350 MB disk, aoubt 92% used up (its been about 90% used for a >long time now), and recently, mainly if I've stayed logged in for a couple of days, >the next time i do something on it a lot of disk activity happens, for a minute, >causing a slow response (swapping??) and several megabytes of space becomes >unavailable. The lost disk space is recovered upon reboot. However, it seems that >this is happening much more frequently now. > >Any ideas on what the problem might be? > >-- >Peter Seidl >Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory >Berkeley, CA 94720 > >seidl@next1.lbl.gov I have a Cube at home and noticed this same thing. I happened to read somewhere (maybe here) that NS is a little od in this respect. The swap file for NS doesn't clear itself until reboot. So, as you say, if you've been working on it for some time without rebooting, the swap file will just keep growing. I can only assume that it is so stuff doesn't have to be continuously swapped in and out. A bit silly but I can (almost) see the reasoning behind it. Any thoughts? Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca (Mark Gregory Salyzyn) Subject: Re: HELP!!! SLIP ON WHITE AT 28.8 Message-ID: <CnLA9L.G9F@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca> Organization: VE6MGS Gateway References: <CnFrFC.LKC@spcuna.spc.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 16:39:17 GMT root@net23 (Operator) writes: < Mail to this and razor@net23.com failed, on a continuous loop *on* net23 > >Hello all, I have been having much trouble getting 28.8 SLIP to work on White >hardware... You need the Mux V1.4 serial driver to fix this. It can be ftp'd from several of the popular archives. I'd mail you a copy *if* your address worked ... Ciao -- Mark
From: work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Switching between applications? Date: 4 Apr 1994 14:17:29 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <2np7hp$fp@machthenext.dannug.dk> References: <9404040336.AA16845@alleg.EDU> In article <9404040336.AA16845@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: |> Does anyone know of a key-combination to switch between |> application in NS like shift-TAB in MS-Windows(ughhhhh). ? |> Well, this isn t a key-combination, but in case you don t know this one, it might do what you want (almost) If you hold down Command, while clicking on the app (icon) you would like active, it will clear the screen of any other apps windows, and only display the window of the one you pressed. Works pretty neat. Just thought you might want to try it... Best regards Michael --- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk NonNeXTMail: mh.xeroxvang@rxdk.xerox.com Voice: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Fax: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 (call first) Work: Int + 45 43 43 43 03 Fax: Int + 45 43 43 59 70 _____________________________________________
From: adhir@eng.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SoftPC on NSI 3.2 Date: 4 Apr 1994 18:06:43 GMT Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <2npkvj$4em@mojo.eng.umd.edu> Hey all - I am running NSI3.2 on a 486dx2/66 with a #9GXE VLB card attached to a 21" Sony monitor. Love it! A demo version of SoftPC came with NSI on the same CDROM. I am interested in using it and went ahead and installed it. The demo version is supposed to run for 30 days at which point it quits. The problem is that it won't work - at all. I install it, run it, it tells me it needs to create a DOS or a WIndows hard disk file (hdf) so I point it to a dir to which I have the correct permissions and it churns. Finally, it comes up with a window telling me SoftPC won't be able to run in full screen mode on my machine (which I don't understand why) and and I click on 'OK', so I can at least run it in a window. Immediately after that, it quits without a trace - completely disappears, and, needless to say, it doesn't work. I have tried reinstalling, re-running, re-booting, creating both DOS and Windows hdf files... Don't know what else to try. Not much of a program so far :-). I could have wrote that, and it would have been freeware! Seriously, though, can anyone offer any advice to get me up and running? Thanks... -- ------------------------------------___------------------------------------ | Al Dhir, Programmer Analyst /___\ UMCP Ag-Engineering Dept | | Internet: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (o o) (301) 405-1197 | --------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------------------- -- -----------------------------------___------------------------------------- | Al Dhir, Programmer Analyst /___\ UMCP Ag-Engineering Dept | | Internet: adhir@is-next.umd.edu (o o) (301) 405-1197 | -------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------------------------
From: nielsen@bears.Stanford.EDU (James Nielsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT and afs Message-ID: <2npl3d$asa@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> Date: 4 Apr 94 18:08:45 GMT References: <2nlqou$pik@usenet.rpi.edu> Organization: Stanford University In article <2nlqou$pik@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > Hal.Varian@umich.edu writes: > > > James Nielsen writes > > > > Also, the workspace doesn't really recognize that I own my afs > > > > files. I can read files using Edit.app (after I changed the > > > > directory permissions to world readable), and I can save from > > > > Edit, but I can't copy files from my system to my afs account, > > > > or create new folders in the afs account from the Workspace. > > > > Am I perhaps missing something in the complicated world of > > > > afs permissions? > > > > This works for me---most of the time. Every now and then it doesn't > > seem to work right. This probably does have to do with the AFS > > permissions, but I've never taken the time to figure out exactly > > when it works and when it doesn't. > > Not sure what everyone else is running, but I'm running the beta > version of AFS 3.3 on this NeXT, and this NeXT is running NS-3.2. > My account on this machine is "gad", while my AFS account (which > covers RPI in general) is "drosehn". The trick is that the > workspace doesn't seem to really understand AFS permissions. So > the workspace won't let me (gad) create anything in an AFS directory > unless it thinks that "gad" has permission to the directory via > the standard unix permissions. So, I tend to create directories > that are marked as "write others" as far as chmod bits look. This > doesn't effect my real (AFS) permissions at all, of course. > This was my first solution to the problem as well, and it does work since the afs permissions are not affected at all. But then I found myself spending too much time changing the default file creation permissions and such. The best solution is to make sure that the NeXT Unix accounts and the afs accounts have the same user id. You can find out what your afs id is by typing pts examine username You should then change your NeXT user id to this number. The workspace will then think that the afs files belong to you after you've done the klog. After you've changed your user id, you will have to change all of the ownerships in your home directory so that they belong to your new user id. I actually had some trouble with this, so I archived my files, deleted my account, and made a new account with the right user id. So be careful with this step. -jamey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ringger@cs.rochester.edu Subject: SUMMARY: fep under NS 3.2 Message-ID: <199404041908.PAA10727@slate.cs.rochester.edu> Sender: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric K. Ringger) Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept Date: Mon, 04 Apr 94 15:08:02 -0400 Hi. In article <199404020440.XAA23640@slate.cs.rochester.edu> I wrote: >Has anyone successfully compiled the command-line front-end-processor >program called "fep" under NS 3.2 ? > >Please mail me, and I'll summarize. Here's the promised summary: I received one response from "J. Kelly Cunningham" <deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu>. He sent me the compressed sources from cs.orst.edu with the following message: >Hi Eric, > >This is cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/sources/next-interface/fep.tar.Z. >It has a binary, man page and all src. I don't know if it compiles >under 3.2, but the binary will run. I just compiled it under 3.0 (I'm >the lone 3.0 holdout). It made with the following warnings: > >lipschitz:/deviate/Bulldog/fep> make >cc -O -g -bsd -c fep_main.c >cc -O -g -bsd -c fep_edit.c >fep_edit.c: In function `expand_file_name': >fep_edit.c:1759: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcpy' from incompatible pointer type >fep_edit.c:1761: warning: passing arg 2 of `strcmp' from incompatible pointer type >cc -O -g -bsd -c fep_hist.c >fep_hist.c: In function `historyExtract': >fep_hist.c:260: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcpy' from incompatible pointer type >fep_hist.c: In function `mk_home_relative': >fep_hist.c:422: warning: passing arg 2 of `strcpy' makes pointer from integer without a cast >cc -O -g -bsd -c fep_com.c >fep_com.c: In function `fep_command': >fep_com.c:803: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcpy' from incompatible pointer type >cc -O -g -bsd -c fep_funcs.c >cc -O -g -bsd -c fep_set.c >cc -O -g -bsd -c fep_vi.c >cc -O -g -bsd -c fep_util.c >cc -O -g -bsd -c fep_alias.c >cc -o fep -O -g -bsd fep_main.o fep_edit.o fep_hist.o fep_com.o fep_funcs.o fep_set.o fep_vi.o fep_util.o fep_alias.o -ltermlib > >It seems to work just fine. > >Cheers, kc Under 3.2, the compiler gives the same warnings, and the executable works just fine. Thanks, kc. Also, thanks, Ivo Welch, for porting the program so that it would compile under NEXTSTEP. Of course, thanks to the author too. --Eric --- Eric K. Ringger Internet: ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science Phone: (716) 275-0922 University of Rochester FAX: (716) 461-2018 Rochester NY 14627-0226 http://www.cs.rochester.edu/users/grads/ringger/ |||||| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ||||||
From: Jim De Arras <jmd@cube.handheld.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Date: 5 Apr 1994 02:58:00 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2nqk3pINNtb@clem.handheld.com> References: <2nm0jj$95j@yucca.omnigroup.com> In article <2nm0jj$95j@yucca.omnigroup.com> wjs@yucca.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) writes: > > Sandeep Kochhar writes: > [about problems previewing PostScript from PowerPoint 3.0...] > > I've had lots of troubles viewing PS from Windows. I don't think you > mentioned whether this was from a PC or not, but one thing I've noticed > from Windows is that it puts a space in front of the "%!PS-Adobe-3.0" on the > first line: > > %!PS-Adobe-3.0 > ^ > > When I delete this space, Preview loves the file. It's probably not a space, it's probably a ^D. Windows feels a need to stick one in. There is a windows "init" file option to stop this. Also, NS3.2 seems to tolerate the ^D Jim
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for triple speed CD-ROM for station Date: 2 Apr 1994 04:11:18 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2nir96INN410@uwm.edu> Originator: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience with running the NEC triple speed CD-ROM players (3Xe) on a station. If not, are there any triple speed players that work with stations? Thanks in advance, -- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
From: chris@helser54.res.iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NS/FIP 3.2 can't read Mac disk. Date: 5 Apr 1994 06:44:12 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Message-ID: <2nr1bs$k5i@news.iastate.edu> Keywords: Mac, NeXTSTEP, disk How on the earth can I get NS/FIP 3.2 to read Mac disks? Please help. It reads the Mac disks formatted by itself. But, it can't read the Mac disks formatter by a Mac. Any clue? Chris
From: colbert1@news.delphi.com (COLBERT13@DELPHI.COM) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: USR wouldn't do 14.4 transfer Date: 5 Apr 1994 01:05:17 -0400 Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Message-ID: <2nqrid$re@news.delphi.com> References: <boonlow.765224146@sfu.ca> boonlow@kits.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) writes: >Hey there, > I have a USR 14,400 external fax modem and I am having tons's of problem from it under NS. Whenever I tried any serial communication, things like >serial loging or SLIP connection, I will keep losing characters >if I set the baudrate on the communication over 9600 bps. MY screen will get all screwed up, characters will be lost e.t.c I tried Modulator, TipTop >and set the baudrate above 9600 bps, all the problem will be there if the > baudrate is set greater than 9600bps. >Could it be NS doesn't support my modem or SW problems ? >I have an Intel 486 with LocalBus motherboard. However, the modem is >external and my I/O controller card is only ISA and not >VESA. According to be friend, this might constitute to the problem of >losing characters and if I get a VESA controller card with the >UART 16500 chip, my problem would go away. BTW, I have a UART 16500 chip >already on my present ISA controller/serial card. >I am running NS3.2 on a Intel machine. Only my ATI video card is VESA, >the rest are all ISA. >I tried to asked around, my sysadmin e.t.c but no people seem to be able to >help me. I have no problems with running at 14.4 under DOS or Windows, only >NS. >Therefore, I would really appreciate it if someone can take the time to >drop me some adive/help. >Thanks. >- Ben. The root o your problem dates back to the original IBM pc . they originaly used a 8250 uart to control serial transmissions, whic required polling by the CPU to avoid overrun. The 8250 and the later 440 (both still commonly used) provide no buffer, onot a problem at up to 9600 bps, but tends to lose data under certain conditions ie. when the cpu has many other tasks it has to perform. I Havn't heard of a local bus serial port, kindda sounds like overrkill. a ISA bus w/ a >2 Mb transfer should be more than enough, but a serial board with a 550 should solve yuor problem, if you cold find one NeXT will work with. remember 55 saves lives ;) colbert13@delph.com no ascii sig couldn't think of anything to say
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: david@prim.demon.co.uk (David George) Subject: Re: The death of a game Message-ID: <1994Apr1.095304.5502@prim.demon.co.uk> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: KCS Ltd. References: <2na7uj$kth@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <sandrac-290394190650@port53.annex2.net.ubc.ca> <2nbpak$6jd@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 09:53:04 GMT In article <2nbpak$6jd@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > >unless you are targeting financial services or MCCA in general you are >redefining the word "risk". This is sad but financial services are sucking in many talented (and less than talented) software authors. It's a pity the NeXT dream has degenerated from an enabling tool for individuals to making bankers richer. Unfortunately its hard to make money in a marketplace of maybe 50,000 platforms unless you are selling consultancy or specialist software for the financial sector. I feel sorry for any good programmers who have to work in the financial sector. Such a tragic waste. I hope our games author employs his skill elsewhere. David.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chuck@benatong.com (Charles G. Bennett) Subject: (YANTPQ) Yet Another NTP Question Message-ID: <CnrK0E.LAp@benatong.com> Sender: usenet@benatong.com Organization: BenaTong Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 01:55:26 GMT I have a Mot based server named cypher and an Intel system on the network named cyborg. Even though I told cyborg to use network time when I put it on the network, it has never synced up.. If I type ntp -F from cyborg, I always get a connection refused. It "feels" like a rsh permissions problem, but where? TimeService is enabled for each machine in the root netinfo domain via HostManager and cypher is listed as a Master time server, all others are blank (clients not clones..) cyborg:1# ntp -F recvfrom: Connection refused or cyborg:3# ntpdc localhost (rem) Address (lcl) Strat Poll Reach Delay Offset Disp ========================================================================== -cypher wildcard 0 64 000 0.0 0.0 64000.0 checking the dates cypher /Users/chuck > date Mon Apr 4 21:51:39 EDT 1994 cyborg:4# date Mon Apr 4 21:45:51 EDT 1994 other information cyborg:5# nidump -r /locations/ntp . name = ntp; host = cypher; server = (); and on cypher cypher:6# nidump -r /locations/ntp / name = ntp; host = (); server = cypher; I have RT'd the FM and I "THINK" I followed the directions correctly, but no joy. a: Did I provide sufficent info for someone to make a guess? b: Is there a better manual somewhere? c: does anyone know what I did wrong? Thanks very much Chuck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: don@object.demon.co.uk (Donald Brady) Subject: Flow Charting Software Anyone? Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 10:06:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9404051052.AA00231@object.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Hi everybody Does anyone know of a flow charting app for NEXTSTEP ideally with an API which would allow me to incorporate flow charts / workflow diagrams into custom apps? Thanks in advance... Donald Brady ------------ Object Innovation Ltd. Tel.: +44 41 332 1360 e-mail: don@object.demon.co.uk [NeXTMAIL welcome]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Message-ID: <1994Apr5.142312.22121@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <2nm0jj$95j@yucca.omnigroup.com> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 14:23:12 GMT In article <2nm0jj$95j@yucca.omnigroup.com> wjs@yucca.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) writes: > > Sandeep Kochhar writes: > [about problems previewing PostScript from PowerPoint 3.0...] > > I've had lots of troubles viewing PS from Windows. I don't think you > mentioned whether this was from a PC or not, but one thing I've noticed > from Windows is that it puts a space in front of the "%!PS-Adobe-3.0" on the > first line: > > %!PS-Adobe-3.0 > ^ > > When I delete this space, Preview loves the file. > > I have no idea if this will solve your problem with psnup (what a great > name for a utility, too), but I figure it's worth mentioning. Actually it's a CTRL-D, the PostScript EOF marker. I've stumbled over that one more than once. But our PowerPoint/Windoze combination is broken in more places: It creates broken (illegal) PS code as soon as I include the company's logo as a bitmap. If I check "compress bitmaps" in the printer installation, the bitmap code will be truncated rather than compressed. If I don't check it, either an operator named "timeout" or one named "unpack" will be used that isn't defined. Very hairy, just like the rest of that company's software... -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Still the same boring old signature...
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT FTP Sites... Date: 5 Apr 1994 14:09:10 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2nrre6$jrl@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hi, I am new to the NeXT community so I don't know all of the really great ftp sites available for it. What are they?? could someone please mail me a list??? -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT FTP Sites... Date: 5 Apr 1994 09:21:47 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404051419.AA11538@alleg.EDU> In comp.sys.next.misc you wrote: Hi, I am new to the NeXT community so I don't know all of the really great ftp sites available for it. What are they?? could someone please mail me a list??? being new to the NeXT community, you will want to check out the NeXTStep FAQ that was posted to comp.sys.next.announce a few days ago. It will answer questions like these and many others. The first one is free :-) ___________________________________________________________________ (from above mentioned FAQ) Subject: B2. What are the names of some of the ftp sites that have NeXT-related files? There are too many to list them all, so are here are just a few. NeXT: cs.orst.edu nova.cc.purdue.edu sonata.cc.purdue.edu umd5.umd.edu ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de MIT GNU: aeneas.mit.edu MIT X: export.lcs.mit.edu music: princeton.edu ____________________________________________________________ Another excellent one is 129.187.249.15 in Munich. (transfer outside their local time) Anyone else have a suggestion of an FTP site not on the above list? Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
From: mmieszko@ac.dal.ca (Marek Roland-Mieszkowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ** DFG (Digital Function Generator) ** Message-ID: <1994Apr5.111757.22671@dal1> Date: 5 Apr 94 11:17:56 -0400 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada We are looking for people with NeXTSTEP on Intel with D/A card. *************************************************************** Digital Function Generator (DFG) software is a powerful tool for generation of audio test signals which could be used in acoustics, physics, electronics, engineering, music etc. This software is availiable for last 2 years for NeXT computers. At present we are testing DFG on Intel platforms. Would you be interested to check our software DFG on your machine ? Test will take no longer than 15->30 min and you will get useful DFG_demo.app software. Your help will be highly appreciated......... We can send DFG_demo.app software via NeXTmail to you. File is only 70 kB long. For those who are on the E-mail but do not know how to use NeXTmail via E-mail we will send instructions how to do this. Best regards, Marek Roland-Mieszkowski _ _ _ _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| Marek Roland - Mieszkowski, M.Sc.,Ph.D. |_| |_| |_| _ _ _ DIGITAL RECORDINGS - Advanced R & D _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| 5959 Spring Garden Road, Suite 1103 |_| |_| |_| _ _ _ Halifax, Nova Scotia, B3H-1Y5, Canada _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| Tel./ Fax. (902) 429-9622 |_| |_| |_| oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Everything is Information in one form or another.............mrm oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: NS/FIP 3.2 can't read Mac disk. Message-ID: <CnsJBp.Kxx@cunews.carleton.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2nr1bs$k5i@news.iastate.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 14:38:13 GMT NeXTSTEP will only read High Density (HD) 1.4MB Mac floppies. 720K double densities will not work. When you try to mount a 720K, NS will say its not initialized, and ask you if you want to format it. You didn't specify the type of disks you are using, so maybe that's your problem... Chris Wong (chris@helser54.res.iastate.edu) wrote: : How on the earth can I get NS/FIP 3.2 to read Mac disks? : It reads the Mac disks formatted by itself. But, it can't read the Mac : disks formatter by a Mac. : Any clue? --Chris Chris Saldanha, Carleton University |"Let the programmers be many, and chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | the managers few; then all will be csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) | productive." "OH! It's just a little bunny isn't it?"| -The Tao of Programming
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ringger@cs.rochester.edu Subject: fep under NS 3.2 Message-ID: <199404020440.XAA23640@slate.cs.rochester.edu> Sender: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric K. Ringger) Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept Date: Fri, 01 Apr 94 23:40:02 -0500 Hi. Has anyone successfully compiled the command-line front-end-processor program called "fep" under NS 3.2 ? Please mail me, and I'll summarize. Thanks, --Eric --- Eric K. Ringger Internet: ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science Phone: (716) 275-0922 University of Rochester FAX: (716) 461-2018 Rochester NY 14627-0226 http://www.cs.rochester.edu/users/grads/ringger/ |||||| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ||||||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: Software Consortium Message-ID: <CnsK0w.303@ucdavis.edu> Summary: Propose a Software Consortium to Select a Mag for NeXT Keywords: Magazine Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 14:53:20 GMT PROPOSAL FOR DISCUSSION Qualification: This is my first "advocation". Please don't beat me up. Proposal: All of the software distributors/manufactures could form a consortium/cartel an "power" select a magazine to carry their advertizing based on some agreements to with the magazine to pick up some of the writers and articles from NeXTWORLD. Question: Why couldn't NeXT have though of this ahead of time? They certainly have all the developer connections to administrate such a process. All that is needed is a unifying element to oversee the transition and NeXT is the best candidate for this proposal. Now, certainly this all could have been facilitated by some sort of mail back card inserted in the NeXTWORLD magazine and some sort of e-mail/network poll which could have been facilitated electronically to get user input also. Stevie J., I am available as of 10/1/94 as a Marketing Exec. Fire whoever didn't think of this. This is not hindsight, this is insight and common sense. All of the resources for this transition are right at your finger tips. You have missed the proper timing to maximize the return on this approach but you haven't missed the boat. Get off of your duff! Advocators, please don't hit me too hard. David Bradford dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Date: 5 Apr 94 16:13:43 GMT Organization: IGD Darmstadt Message-ID: <neuss.765562423@maotai> References: <2n77hm$l2o@crl2.crl.com> judson@crl.com (Michael Judson) writes: >Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized and the 'e' is not? Rumour sez that they "tested" the icon and it read to much like "exit". Chris -- "I ride a tandem with the random.." Christian Neuss # Fraunhofer Institute for Computer Graphics Wilhelminenstr.7 # 64283 Darmstadt # Germany e-mail: neuss@igd.fhg.de finger: neuss@wildturkey.igd.fhg.de
From: don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT FTP Sites... Date: 5 Apr 1994 17:58:19 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ns8rr$ckd@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <9404051419.AA11538@alleg.EDU> Timothy J. Luoma writes ) Anyone else have a suggestion of an FTP site not on the above list? ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu (MusicKit and related toys) -- Later, -Don Yacktman Don_Yacktman@byu.edu
From: croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Serial port hardware/drivers for NSI? Date: 5 Apr 1994 17:58:35 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <2ns8sb$iok@cs.ubc.ca> References: <2nqrid$re@news.delphi.com> In article <2nqrid$re@news.delphi.com> colbert1@news.delphi.com writes: > boonlow@kits.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) writes: >> I have a USR 14,400 external fax modem and I am having tons's >>of problem from it under NS [...] losing characters. >>BTW, I have a UART 16500 chip already on my present ISA >>controller/serial card. > The root o your problem dates back to the original IBM pc . they > originaly used a 8250 uart to control serial transmissions, whic > required polling by the CPU to avoid overrun. The 8250 and the > later 440 (both still commonly used) provide no buffer, onot a > problem at up to 9600 bps, but tends to lose data under certain > conditions ie. when the cpu has many other tasks it has to perform. So what UART should I be using to get error-free transmission at 38400 baud? I have a LocalBus multiIO card with serial ports on it, and I'm experiencing the same problem with the USR Sportster (external). I'm using /dev/cufb for hardware flow control and (using Kermit 5A) I do: AT&F1 (to load factory default hardware handshaking config) AT$ (displays a quick help screen) and I'm losing characters. I'm using the serial driver from NSI 3.2 Are you saying that the dropped characters are not because of failed flow-control, but from buffer overrun?!? Maybe I should ask instead what driver should I be using instead of the 3.2 driver? -- Chris Roehrig (croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca) Invertebrate Learning Group, University of British Columbia, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to umcompress (Command line) Message-ID: <2nkredINNeuo@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> From: palkar@elm.circa.ufl.edu (HeDEVA) Date: 2 Apr 1994 22:26:21 GMT Distribution: world Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville Hi, I have couple of compressed files from NeXT. (.compressed). How can uncompress those remotely, without using NeXTSTEP etc. Or is there a utility to uncompress that file on sparc etc? Any help would be appreciated. Please reply to following address. mp@c-cube.com MALHAR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Flow Charting Software Anyone? Message-ID: <1994Apr5.191609.16008@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <9404051052.AA00231@object.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 19:16:09 GMT In article <9404051052.AA00231@object.demon.co.uk> don@object.demon.co.uk (Donald Brady) writes: > Hi everybody > > Does anyone know of a flow charting app for NEXTSTEP ideally with an > API which would allow me to incorporate flow charts / workflow > diagrams into custom apps? > What's wrong with Diagram? You would want a custom palette, but that is easy; there might even be one for what you want in Diagram Pro. You should also take a look at how you can create Diagram files directly from your apps. Very neat. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov.cr.usgs.gov (Noel S. Gorelick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio,alt.binaries.sounds.d,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [?] Audio software interfaces Date: 5 Apr 1994 20:35:08 GMT Organization: MercWorks, Denver Message-ID: <2nsi1s$hq4@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> Summary: Got a favorite audio player/recorder/mixer user interface? Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu SYNOPSIS: Got a favorite audio player/recorder/mixer user interface? I am in the process of designing a user interface to handle multiple digital signals that look something like audio bites. I want to research the existing audio player/recorder/mixer software that exists to see if there is anything neat in the user interface that I might be able to duplicate. Anyone have a favorite interface that I should look at, or better yet, a demo program (or screen dumps of the real thing)? The type of audio file it plays/creates is completely unimportant unless I need to load one to see some important feature. I was thinking of looking at MIDI software since it usually is designed to handle multiple signals, but don't have any idea where to start. I currently have capabilities to run DOS, Mac, Amiga, and of course X-windows software, and can probably view any common raster file format. Any help appreciated, e-mail please. Noel (ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov) -- "You want it should sing too?" | /* Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov | Who watches the watchmen? */ "Life is pain... Anyone who says differently is selling something."
From: next2@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Serial port hardware/drivers for NSI? Date: 5 Apr 94 20:59:04 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <next2.765579544@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <2nqrid$re@news.delphi.com> <2ns8sb$iok@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes: >and I'm losing characters. I'm using the serial driver from NSI 3.2 >Are you saying that the dropped characters are not because of failed >flow-control, but from buffer overrun?!? Maybe I should ask instead what >driver should I be using instead of the 3.2 driver? Don't ask. Just use Mark Salyzyn's Mux driver as a replacement for NeXT's serial driver. Available on major ftp sites (cs.orst.edu, ftp.uni-stuttgart.de, ftp.informatiok.uni-muenchen.de, ...). Works like charm! Regards, Markus. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Expert in quantum bogodynamics
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Serial port hardware/drivers for NSI? Date: 5 Apr 1994 22:42:28 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2nspgk$9t@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <2nqrid$re@news.delphi.com> <2ns8sb$iok@cs.ubc.ca> <next2.765579544@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Hi, I installed the MUXD driver and it worked, but seemed no faster than the Next driver, AND all z-modem transfers failed. I just installed the vanilla MUX driver after a make. What could I have done wrong? Thanks R. de Lucca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@myxa.com Subject: Re: NeXTStep Pricing (WAS Re: CeBIT) Message-ID: <CnM8so.1qD@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <2ndog1$47c@digifix.digifix.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 2 Apr 1994 05:05:11 GMT In article <2ndog1$47c@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Why pay $3K when Next will sell it to you now for $995 complete? Exactly! And it's pretty doubtful that NeXT will cease to offer these deals. They need *something* to entice people to try it. Besides, now the discount will look even bigger. "Whoa! NeXTSTEP is $3000 off!! Yippee! I'm gonna buy me a boatload." Okay- wishful thinking. But it does appeal to that side of people that makes you buy stuff that's on sale regardless of the price, just because it's on sale. Pop Quiz: Since NS/I was released, how many months has it *NOT* been available at some discounted price? -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: menu auto-movement Date: 2 Apr 1994 04:49:27 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404021051.AA26697@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Hey, had anybody else noticed this? If you bring up the right-mouse-button app menu when the cursor is on the very edge of the screen, the menu is automatically "scrolled" on-screen for you. This happens again if you open a sub-menu if the cursor's on the right of the screen. If the cursor's not right on the edge of the screen but the menu is still just off, moving the cursor to the edge again scrolls the menu completely into view. Similar things happen with the normal app menu if you move it to the right and/or bottom of the screen: after you've finished with it it goes back to its original position. This is really cute! Does anybody know when this was introduced (I'm running 3.2)? It's coming close to the fourth birthday of our first NeXT system and I'd never seen this before! (I'd guess it was developed for small Intel screens at around the same time as pop-up menu behaviour was "improved" in a similar way.) Have fun, mmalcolm.
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Taylor UUCP Help Needed Date: 1 Apr 1994 19:58:52 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2nhqtc$2m9@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <anisCnJGoL.KI1@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: UUCP,Taylor anis@netcom.com (Anis Khwaja) writes: >I would like to know If there is compiled version of Taylor UUCP 1.04 on the >archives? I have downloaded the sources and tried to make them but no luck. >If some one who has successfully made it and install perhaps would like to >help me do the same I would be appreciate it very much. I put my own port to ftp.uni-stuttgart.de:/pub/systems/next/Sources and included FAT binaries. Hope that helps, Markus. -- .sig got a SIGKILL signal.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Switching between applications? Message-ID: <1994Apr2.205656.1554@earlham.edu> From: rabahya@earlham.edu Date: Sat, 2 Apr 94 20:56:52 -500 Distribution: world Organization: Earlham College Hi -- Does anyone know of a key-combination to switch between application in NS like shift-TAB in MS-Windows(ughhhhh). ? Thanks --- Jack A. Rabah Earlham College / | | _ Computer Science Dept. \ | | / \ rabahya@yang.earlham.edu | / | | / \ ** Here's the fortune cookie of the day.. ---------- ----------- it is randomly generated: - Transportable - Neither chained to a wall nor attached to an alarm system.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Message-ID: <1994Apr1.172608.3376@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <CnJ7Dw.Et4@cvbnet.CV.COM> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 17:26:08 GMT In article <CnJ7Dw.Et4@cvbnet.CV.COM> skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) writes: * hi! * I recently produced postscript from Powerpoint on a PC and * tried previewing it on my NextStation running 3.1, as well * as manipulating it with "psnup" and then previewing etc... * Basically, it screwed up the previwer --- it would either * hang (with the clock cursor going forever) and bring the * system to a crawl, or crash and log me out... * I looked at the header of the file and it has (at the top) * %!PS-Adobe-3.0 The means that the PostScript claims to be compliant with the Revision 3.0 Document Structuring Conventions. * while the postscript produced by my Next usually has * %!PS-Adobe-2.0 The means that the PostScript claims to be compliant with the Revision 3.0 Document Structuring Conventions. * I don't know what the difference is between PS-Adobe-3.0 * and PS-Adobe-2.0... But could it be the problem? Could * it be that Next's display postscript interpreter is outdated? * Is this something that is possibly fixed in 3.2 (so that * upgrading will fix it)? The interpreter in NEXTSTEP is [as far as I can tell] PostScript Level Two, which is as up to date as any PostScript printer on the market. Given : o the PostScript file is coming from an application created by an organisation known to be actively hostile towards Adobe and all things PostScript, and, o the PostScript file was generated on a platform demonstrably incompetent in creating platform-independent PostScript, I would suspect the generating system and not the receiving system. I've done a LOT of Level Two work, and NEXTSTEP's Display PostScript system hasn't shown any surprises yet. The only thing missing is makeblendedfont, and that postdates Level Two anyway. This is [not so] long shot, but just for laughs, check the PowerPoint PostScript output file and see if there's a control-D as the very first character. If there is, that's the culprit. ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Subject: Is Next Postscript outdated? Message-ID: <CnJ7Dw.Et4@cvbnet.CV.COM> Sender: usenet@cvbnet.CV.COM (News Account ) Organization: Computervision Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 13:41:56 GMT hi! I recently produced postscript from Powerpoint on a PC and tried previewing it on my NextStation running 3.1, as well as manipulating it with "psnup" and then previewing etc... Basically, it screwed up the previwer --- it would either hang (with the clock cursor going forever) and bring the system to a crawl, or crash and log me out... I looked at the header of the file and it has (at the top) %!PS-Adobe-3.0 while the postscript produced by my Next usually has %!PS-Adobe-2.0 I don't know what the difference is between PS-Adobe-3.0 and PS-Adobe-2.0... But could it be the problem? Could it be that Next's display postscript interpreter is outdated? Is this something that is possibly fixed in 3.2 (so that upgrading will fix it)? Thanks for any replies. Sandeep Kochhar -------- Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730-1486 fax: (617) 275-5166
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 19:25:58 PST Message-ID: <1994Apr02.032558.3574@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.misc Subject: Numerologically significant? The GMT, as returned by mktime(), will be 765432109 on Mon Apr 04 1994 04:01:49 GMT. This is undoubtedly significant. :^) --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: xcarn@mcmuse.mc.maricopa.edu (Michael Carnright) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help with computer rebooting Date: 2 Apr 1994 20:49:47 GMT Organization: Maricopa Community Colleges Message-ID: <2nklpb$7ud@names.maricopa.edu> I work with several Black NeXT computers that are networked together. On several of these when they are powered down they reboot. Is there a preferance I can change to keep them from automaticly rebooting? A second question I have is that on several of the login windows there is a phone icon. They are not set up to use this application (I think). Why has this Icon appeared? Does it have something to do with the Phone connector app. ? Thank you in advance for any help you can give me on these problems.
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.misc Subject: Re: Numerologically significant? Date: 6 Apr 1994 19:19:50 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nv20m$dhc@disuns2.epfl.ch> References: <1994Apr02.032558.3574@corona.com> In article <1994Apr02.032558.3574@corona.com>, pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: > The GMT, as returned by mktime(), will be 765432109 > on Mon Apr 04 1994 04:01:49 GMT. > > This is undoubtedly significant. :^) Then, wait till Sat Oct 11 04:13:30 1997 GMT (876543210) Both around 4AM. Such a "small" drift IS quite significant.. -- F.D. "Cyber Kid" Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab matomira@epfl.ch EPFL FAX: +41 (21) 693-5328
From: wjs@yucca.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mosaic for NeXTstation Date: 3 Apr 1994 00:54:55 -0800 Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <2nm08v$948@yucca.omnigroup.com> References: <2nfdgv$1lt@kasey.umkc.edu> <2nh6p3$sr2@relay2.oleane.net> <2ni9fj$9pd@tern.csulb.edu> VampLestat writes: >The original post indicated he was looking for Mosaic that would run under >2.1, and I Omniweb is a 3.0+ only app, and I have yet to see a 2.1 binary >for XMosaic. I'll fix this for you. Of course, I'll have to charge $800, but to make the deal sweeter I'll throw in an unopened copy of NEXTSTEP 3.2. >What I've had to do so far is run Co-Xist on 2.1 and then rlogin to a 3.0 >machine and xhost and display on my 2.1 machine. I assume that NXHost doesn't work from 3.0 to 2.1?
From: wjs@yucca.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Date: 3 Apr 1994 01:00:35 -0800 Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2nm0jj$95j@yucca.omnigroup.com> References: <CnJ7Dw.Et4@cvbnet.CV.COM> <1994Apr1.172608.3376@trilithon.com> Sandeep Kochhar writes: [about problems previewing PostScript from PowerPoint 3.0...] I've had lots of troubles viewing PS from Windows. I don't think you mentioned whether this was from a PC or not, but one thing I've noticed from Windows is that it puts a space in front of the "%!PS-Adobe-3.0" on the first line: %!PS-Adobe-3.0 ^ When I delete this space, Preview loves the file. I have no idea if this will solve your problem with psnup (what a great name for a utility, too), but I figure it's worth mentioning. -Wil
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Thoughts on Jollys Answering Machine software? Date: 3 Apr 1994 16:15:11 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2nmmhv$3h7@steffi.demon.co.uk> Would anybody care to give me their thoughts on Jollys answer machine software? Specifically can it operate with NXFax such that NXFax deals will all incomming faxes? What's the sound quality like? -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.misc From: rscott@netcom.com (Robert S. Scott) Subject: Re: Numerologically significant? Message-ID: <rscottCnoyJ6.6qn@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1994Apr02.032558.3574@corona.com> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 16:16:18 GMT In article <1994Apr02.032558.3574@corona.com> pkron@corona.com writes: >The GMT, as returned by mktime(), will be 765432109 >on Mon Apr 04 1994 04:01:49 GMT. > >This is undoubtedly significant. :^) >--- >NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com >Corona Design, Inc. >P.O. Box 51022 >Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Only to a serialist. BTW SERIAL is an anagram for ISRAEL. :-) C Dvorak
From: rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3rd party, why not PD? Date: 3 Apr 1994 12:42:58 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2nmrmi$cm7@panix2.panix.com> I have been perusing some of the software on my 3rd party products CD that came with 3.2. Some nice stuff there, also some pretty bogus programs. I will not review the disk here. My question is more naive. Why doesn't NeXT give you a CD filled with the best of PD software as well? I guess expecting reasonable behavior in a capitalist economy is pure folly. However, if they really want to move product, nothing would be smarter then giving out 600 meg of PD stuff that works, is more or less free, and allows a user to understand what is possible. There are probably some legal issues with copyleft, but I find that hard to swallow fomr a company that bundles the gnu compiler with an O/S they charge a rediculous (yes, this is becoming a next-flame) amount for. OK. Now that I am in full flame mode any, two more items. There are some significant items in the O/S that are completely undocumented, why ? It is my understanding that RCS is embedded in the project developer, in fact, several people have built methods to crack it. Why does NeXT see it as necessary to hide their revision control ? Also, small things like gnutar can be really important if you just want to do something quick and dirty, why not have a man page, even better, a library for the gnu software that comes with, and an explanation of waht was left out and why ? OK. Enough of that. Misc kit and Mo kit, both add significantly to NS. Why doesn't NeXT work with some of these groups and bring out certified NeXT class libraries. They could bless them, put them on the ftp.next.com archive, and help with enhacnements, AND put them on their PD CD they release with the O/S. One last thing, why don't they hire me as a high priced marketing consultant ? --thanks, RS
From: pmarc@allanon.math.byu.edu (Paul Cardon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3rd party, why not PD? Date: 3 Apr 1994 19:02:20 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2nn3rs$km2@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <2nmrmi$cm7@panix2.panix.com> In article <2nmrmi$cm7@panix2.panix.com> rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) writes: Also, small things like gnutar can be > really important if you just want to do something quick and dirty, > why not have a man page, even better, a library for the gnu software > that comes with, and an explanation of waht was left out and why ? Last I saw, the actual gnutar package itself from prep.ai.mit.edu doesn't have a man page with it. So unless NeXT writes it themselves ... (Yeah, right!) Later, Paul M. Cardon President of Provo-Orem NeXTSTEP User and Developer Group (PoNG) NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Department - Brigham Young University DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: jk@tools.de (Juergen Keil) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DOS/MAC CD-ROM Access? Date: 02 Apr 1994 16:12:47 GMT Organization: TooLs GmbH, Bonn, Germany Message-ID: <JK.94Apr2181247@leo.tools.de> References: <CnHt7z.9xv@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> In-reply-to: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu's message of Wed, 30 Mar 1994 19:38:21 GMT In article <CnHt7z.9xv@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: > Can any of the commercially available CD-ROMs for PCs and MACs be used > under NS3.2? Mounting CD-ROMs for PCs (and MACs) under NS is no problem, since both PCs and NS support the same ISO-9660 filesystem format. This gives you raw data access to the files contained on the CD. MACs also support ISO-9660, but sometimes CD-ROMs for MACs contain a native MAC filesystem image (HFS?) instead of an ISO-9660 filesystem. If the CD-ROM contains files in a format supported under NS (e.g. plain ASCII files like the 'Project Gutenberg CDROM', ASCII/Postscript/RTF files like Infomagic's 'Standards' CDROM) you can directly use such a CD-ROM under NS. If you need a special program to access the data contained on the PC CD-ROM, you can either try to run the PC version of the program under SoftPC or hope that someone has ported the data retrieval application to NS. Using our PaperOut application, you can use Sony's 'Electronic Book CDs' under NS (without the need for SoftPC; 300+ titles are available in this format, e.g. the Oxford English Dictionary and Oxford Thesaurus, Compton's Concise Encyclopedia, Hugh Johnson's Wine Guide, ...). For more information about PaperOut, email to info@tools.de. -- Juergen Keil jk@tools.de ...!{uunet,mcsun}!unido!tools!jk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) Subject: Re: Thoughts on Jollys Answering Machine software? Message-ID: <1994Apr3.201816.85884@yuma> Date: 3 Apr 94 20:18:16 GMT References: <2nmmhv$3h7@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2nmmhv$3h7@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > Would anybody care to give me their thoughts on Jollys answer machine > software? > > Specifically can it operate with NXFax such that NXFax deals will all > incomming faxes? > > What's the sound quality like? > > -- > "C++ is the best C++ there is." > > (ASCII for text only messages) i know nothing about this program. please fill me in.
From: ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Date: 6 Apr 1994 20:45:13 GMT Organization: Academic Computing Services, Sheffield University Message-ID: <2nv70p$vb@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <2nkredINNeuo@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> <2nukl0$opa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Mark Adler (madler@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: : >> cat file.compressed | zcat | tar xf - : : Well, it's called zcat because it works like cat, so you don't need : the cat at all. Also for NeXT .compressed files, you want to use : gnutar to extract because it was used to make them and they might : have long names. So, the command line answer is: : : zcat file.compressed | gnutar xvf - : Are you sure you can do zcat file.compressed ? For me it gives file.compressed.Z: No such file or directory I agree that gnutar would be easier, but the chap was asking about Sun, so he may not have gnutar installed... Have fun, mmalcolm.
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT and afs Date: 3 Apr 1994 07:21:02 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nlqou$pik@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2nhlo1$9m1@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Hal.Varian@umich.edu writes: > > James Nielsen writes > > > Also, the workspace doesn't really recognize that I own my afs > > > files. I can read files using Edit.app (after I changed the > > > directory permissions to world readable), and I can save from > > > Edit, but I can't copy files from my system to my afs account, > > > or create new folders in the afs account from the Workspace. > > > Am I perhaps missing something in the complicated world of > > > afs permissions? > > This works for me---most of the time. Every now and then it doesn't > seem to work right. This probably does have to do with the AFS > permissions, but I've never taken the time to figure out exactly > when it works and when it doesn't. Not sure what everyone else is running, but I'm running the beta version of AFS 3.3 on this NeXT, and this NeXT is running NS-3.2. My account on this machine is "gad", while my AFS account (which covers RPI in general) is "drosehn". The trick is that the workspace doesn't seem to really understand AFS permissions. So the workspace won't let me (gad) create anything in an AFS directory unless it thinks that "gad" has permission to the directory via the standard unix permissions. So, I tend to create directories that are marked as "write others" as far as chmod bits look. This doesn't effect my real (AFS) permissions at all, of course. > I don't want to give the impression that AFS on the NeXT is > unstable. To the contrary, it seems to work pretty well overall. Given the way I happen to use AFS on my NeXTstations, it works quite well. The bad news is that AFS won't be available for NS/Intel machines, and that in fact this will probably be the last release of AFS that includes support for NeXTstations. I have an occasional problem trying to eject CD-ROM's or floppies if AFS is running, but I've figured out a workaround for that. Of course, AFS support in general is heading to the backburner of Transarc, as DFS/DCE becomes "real". Pricing issues on DFS/DCE look unpleasent though, so I'm not sure that RPI is going to be eager to switch from AFS to DFS (and all that implies). Even if it is it probably won't switch over right away. Either way, I'm not quite sure where my NeXT's will be WRT the standard distributed file system used by RPI as time goes on. Arg. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Switching between applications? Date: 3 Apr 1994 22:38:10 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404040336.AA16845@alleg.EDU> Does anyone know of a key-combination to switch between application in NS like shift-TAB in MS-Windows(ughhhhh). ? YES! cmd (+). Well, sort of. If you have TickleServices there is a wonderful feature called Services/Apps/Unhide Apps. I have this bound to the + key so when I use cmd and + it brings up this wonderful panel with a list of all the apps I have running. I select one and BINGO it comes up as the active App. With that plus all of the other great features of TickleServices, it is well worth checking out. If you need more reasons to get TickleServices, send me email. I'd go on but I'm afraid people would accuse me of trying to make this newsgroup into alt.fan.scott-hess.advocacy. If you do want to get TickleServices, here's where to go: FTP Site: cs.orst.edu (login anonymous) Relevant Files: /pub/next/binaries/tools/TickleServices1.02mab.README /pub/next/binaries/tools/TickleServices1.02mab.compressed Tim -- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed Box 931 Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Subject: Re: Thoughts on Jollys Answering Machine software? Message-ID: <CnpnL9.68x@belly.in-berlin.de> Sender: usenet@belly.in-berlin.de Organization: - none - References: <2nmmhv$3h7@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 01:17:32 GMT In article <2nmmhv$3h7@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > Would anybody care to give me their thoughts on Jollys answer machine > software? > > Specifically can it operate with NXFax such that NXFax deals will all > incomming faxes? Jolly's machine does the fax receive. It seems not to be possible to let NXFax handle the job, because you would have to tell NXFax to do it, but not to answer the phone. The Fax receive works, you can view faxes with FaxReader, but there's no directory of received faxes available in FaxReader. > What's the sound quality like? Your post arrived at the right moment, but I have to explain some things first. ZyXEL offers 3 compression schemes. ADPCM2, ADPCM3 and CELP. From a posting in comp.dcom.modems I learned, that ADPCM3 is the best (while having a datarate of 3600 Bytes/sec), CELP is second (while having the lowest datarate, but it works only on PLUS-Models - I don't have one so I can't judge for myself) and ADPCM2 has the worst quality. In my experience, ADPCM2 really has a poor quality. This was the only thing which seemed to work and there were only converters ADPCM2<->snd available. So I tried it, put it away and got a mix. If you want an impression: ftp am, convert the .zyxel files which are distributed with it and listen. ADPCM3 has acceptable quality - yeah, to me it seems really good (mix is a bit better, but not so much). Jolly's answering machine compiled with ADPCM3 settings, but there sometimes was noise in the output and other weird things happened. So I started to fiddle with it. I'm currently working on full ADPCM3 support for Jolly's am: I got the converters ready and am now in the process of testing, cleaning up and debugging the stuff. Perhaps I'm also doing a NeXT-Fronted. The mach-messaging for status inquiries works since yesterday. I'm on vacation the next 10 days, but I think you will hear from me then about further improvements. -- Axel Habermann \\|// "Wenn Du nicht kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (NeXT-Mail) )o o( weisst was Du kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (NO NeXT-Mail) \ | / tust, mach's FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 \~/ mit Eleganz!"
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 4 Apr 1994 00:51:30 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2no6ci$8bn@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Product Information Server online comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers New Information --------------- NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Product Information Server online A product directory built around the World Wide Web system, this will allow full multimedia announcements by NEXTSTEP developers, as well as the ability to browse the available products for NEXTSTEP. This service is online now, and can be reached at http://digifix.digifix.com/ it can be reached using OmniWeb (available from ftp.omnigroup.com) or Mosaic. The entries are coming in quite quickly, and I'll be moving the entire NEXTSTEP Third Party Catalog contents in as soon as they become available. Additionally the NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server will be stocked full file files in the next week... you can get information on using the mail server at ns-products@digifix.com Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. 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Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. 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Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe The ftp sites ------------- cs.orst.edu: The main site for North American submissions nova.cc.purdue.edu: Lots of older stuff, but very short on disk space ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: In Germany. terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) and cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp.next.com: See the below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ------------------------------------- From the document 1000_Help from ftp.next.com Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, or you can transfer them by anonymous ftp. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. 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If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sr@rdbois.fdn.org (serge_ruby) Subject: Re: help with computer rebooting Message-ID: <1994Apr4.093100.10192@rdbois.uucp> Sender: sr@rdbois.uucp (serge_ruby) Organization: S.RUBY References: <2nklpb$7ud@names.maricopa.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 09:31:00 GMT In article <2nklpb$7ud@names.maricopa.edu> xcarn@mcmuse.mc.maricopa.edu (Michael Carnright) writes: > I work with several Black NeXT computers that are networked together. > On several of these when they are powered down they reboot. Is there a > preferance I can change to keep them from automaticly rebooting? > In the Preference application, in section Power section (Power button icon) in Power mode (not Startup device) there is a check box labeled "Turn computer on After power off/failure". This is probably the cause of your problem. You just need to uncheck it. Hope this helps Serge
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ganek@apollo.hp.com (Daniel E. Ganek) Subject: NeXT and Defender Call Back System Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News) Message-ID: <Cnupor.EIo@apollo.hp.com> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 18:50:50 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA I need some help with /etc/remote HP in chelmsford uses a Defender Call Back System from remote access to its system. Basically, 1) I call in, 2) Type a few CR's 3) The system prompts me and I enter my account number 4) The system hangs up and then calls me back. I've been trying to automate the above. I've been using tip and step 1 is no problem. Step 2 is where I'm having problems. The Defender does not issue a prompt until I enter a few CR's. It seems that tip does not send the "cm" string until it receives a prompt from the remote node. Does anyone have any suggestions on an /etc/remote entry that might work? /dan
From: armes@pioneer.tds.com (Jim Armes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DOS/MAC CD-ROM Access? Date: 2 Apr 1994 03:22:39 GMT Organization: Trident Data Systems Message-ID: <2niodv$bmc@discovery.ectds.com> References: <CnHt7z.9xv@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> In article <CnHt7z.9xv@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: > Can any of the commercially available CD-ROMs for PCs and MACs be used > under NS3.2? If not, can the PC compatible ones be read on balck > hardware running under SoftPC -- the non-windows version? Finally, > if the answer is no to the foregoing, is there any solution in sight? > --Tim You shouldn't have any problem reading CDRoms under Next, I do it on my system all the time. Now, running them, I hop back to Windoz/doz. (primarily because I'm using Doz 6, which SoftPC doesn't support.) #--------------------------------------------------------# # Jim Armes | I've got a Pentium and you do not # # Matrix-Man | nahh nahh nah nah nahhhh... # # | # #Trident Data Systems| but IiiiiM a lumberjack and I'm ok# # armes@tds.com |I sleep all night & I work all day.#
From: armes@pioneer.tds.com (Jim Armes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: RFC: How would you like to register NEXTSTEP? Date: 2 Apr 1994 03:42:43 GMT Organization: Trident Data Systems Message-ID: <2nipjj$bvm@discovery.ectds.com> References: <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: upgrade register neat software stuff to do maybe I'll do it sometime In article <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) writes: > > I may be in a position where I can make a difference... > > There was some talk a couple months ago about how folks would like to > register their NS software. Some ideas ... considered but time may constrain us from > responding to all ideas. > .... When I got an upgrade for PC-Tools for Windoze, as part of the upgrade/install it actually got my registration information and called an 800 number BBS central point had set up. VERY neat. It could be set up as a simple transfer app in Nextstep, with maybe a little cron jobby that asks for further comments after, say one week, and one month and sends the info down the wire. Next(or some enterprising group of software companies) could set up a centralized registration server hung off an 800 line, with credit card access & next day confirmation with the ordering person for ANY software product as long as it used this one pipeline application and (Gasp) distributed Object. my $3.14 (Inflation adjusted $) #--------------------------------------------------------# # Jim Armes | I've got a Pentium and you do not # # Matrix-Man | nahh nahh nah nah nahhhh... # # | # #Trident Data Systems| but IiiiiM a lumberjack and I'm ok# # armes@tds.com |I sleep all night & I work all day.#
From: armes@pioneer.tds.com (Jim Armes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: RFC: How would you like to register NEXTSTEP? Date: 2 Apr 1994 03:43:30 GMT Organization: Trident Data Systems Message-ID: <2nipl2$bvn@discovery.ectds.com> References: <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: upgrade register neat software stuff to do maybe I'll do it sometime In article <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) writes: > > I may be in a position where I can make a difference... > > There was some talk a couple months ago about how folks would like to > register their NS software. Some ideas ... considered but time may constrain us from > responding to all ideas. > .... When I got an upgrade for PC-Tools for Windoze, as part of the upgrade/install it actually got my registration information and called an 800 number BBS central point had set up. VERY neat. It could be set up as a simple transfer app in Nextstep, with maybe a little cron jobby that asks for further comments after, say one week, and one month and sends the info down the wire. Next(or some enterprising group of software companies) could set up a centralized registration server hung off an 800 line, with credit card access & next day confirmation with the ordering person for ANY software product as long as it used this one pipeline application and (Gasp) distributed Object. my $3.14 (Inflation adjusted $) #--------------------------------------------------------# # Jim Armes | I've got a Pentium and you do not # # Matrix-Man | nahh nahh nah nah nahhhh... # # | # #Trident Data Systems| but IiiiiM a lumberjack and I'm ok# # armes@tds.com |I sleep all night & I work all day.#
From: armes@pioneer.tds.com (Jim Armes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: RFC: How would you like to register NEXTSTEP? Date: 2 Apr 1994 03:44:48 GMT Organization: Trident Data Systems Message-ID: <2nipng$bvq@discovery.ectds.com> References: <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: upgrade register neat software stuff to do maybe I'll do it sometime In article <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) writes: > > I may be in a position where I can make a difference... > > There was some talk a couple months ago about how folks would like to > register their NS software. Some ideas ... considered but time may constrain us from > responding to all ideas. > .... When I got an upgrade for PC-Tools for Windoze, as part of the upgrade/install it actually got my registration information and called an 800 number BBS central point had set up. VERY neat. It could be set up as a simple transfer app in Nextstep, with maybe a little cron jobby that asks for further comments after, say one week, and one month and sends the info down the wire. Next(or some enterprising group of software companies) could set up a centralized registration server hung off an 800 line, with credit card access & next day confirmation with the ordering person for ANY software product as long as it used this one pipeline application and (Gasp) distributed Object. my $3.14 (Inflation adjusted $) #--------------------------------------------------------# # Jim Armes | I've got a Pentium and you do not # # Matrix-Man | nahh nahh nah nah nahhhh... # # | # #Trident Data Systems| but IiiiiM a lumberjack and I'm ok# # armes@tds.com |I sleep all night & I work all day.#
From: armes@pioneer.tds.com (Jim Armes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 2 Apr 1994 03:45:19 GMT Organization: Trident Data Systems Message-ID: <2nipof$bvr@discovery.ectds.com> References: <2n5uav$9op@digifix.digifix.com> In article <CnEHt9.B2n@news.cis.umn.edu> peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) writes: > > I may be in a position where I can make a difference... > > There was some talk a couple months ago about how folks would like to > register their NS software. Some ideas ... considered but time may constrain us from > responding to all ideas. > .... When I got an upgrade for PC-Tools for Windoze, as part of the upgrade/install it actually got my registration information and called an 800 number BBS central point had set up. VERY neat. It could be set up as a simple transfer app in Nextstep, with maybe a little cron jobby that asks for further comments after, say one week, and one month and sends the info down the wire. Next(or some enterprising group of software companies) could set up a centralized registration server hung off an 800 line, with credit card access & next day confirmation with the ordering person for ANY software product as long as it used this one pipeline application and (Gasp) distributed Object. my $3.14 (Inflation adjusted $) #--------------------------------------------------------# # Jim Armes | I've got a Pentium and you do not # # Matrix-Man | nahh nahh nah nah nahhhh... # # | # #Trident Data Systems| but IiiiiM a lumberjack and I'm ok# # armes@tds.com |I sleep all night & I work all day.#
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: no more processes Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 18:24:20 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <whcnOIu00iV5Q_sPlU@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <af.765627434@iaka> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 6-Apr-94 SUMMARY: no more processes by Alain Fauconnet@iaka.bio > Well, the general consensus about the "no more processes" error is that > this is a known bug of NS 3.1, leaving zombie processes around > especially when drag and drop operations are performed. > > The solution might be to upgrade to NS 3.2 (which I can't do), although > some people seem to imply that this particular bug is not completely > fixed and that 3.2 has more than its share of new bugs. Really? I actively develop under NS 3.2, and I have yet to encounter a crash or a noticable bug yet. I have had my machine stay up for over 2 weeks at a time without problems (until a power failure shut my machine down). > [munch] > Now I find all the noise made about NS being the new-generation > object-oriented microkernel-based [etc.] Unix quite pathetic. Unfortunately for your flame, NS is based on Mach 2.5, which is certainly not a microkernel and is not really object-oriented (although it depends on one's definitions). > This, among other things (broken telnetd, What's wrong with it? I use telnet between 2 NeXT's continuously, and I have not run into problems. > no decent automounter, Again, what's wrong with it? > broken lock daemon, And yet again, what's wrong with it? > swap space leakage...) I would like to see this fixed too. Deal with it; I am not aware of any Unix system with shared memory that does *not* leak swap space. The easiest solution is to get enough disk space so that you don't have to worry about your swap file. 250 MB does me just fine.... :-) Just MHO, -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Date: 6 Apr 1994 22:28:16 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2nv9hg$7sv@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2nkredINNeuo@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> <2nukl0$opa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc > >>> cat file.compressed | zcat | tar xf - > >Well, it's called zcat because it works like cat, so you don't need >the cat at all. Also for NeXT .compressed files, you want to use >gnutar to extract because it was used to make them and they might >have long names. So, the command line answer is: > > zcat file.compressed | gnutar xvf - > >(I threw in the "v" so you could see what's going on.) > >mark Actually that won't work either. zcat looks for files (if they are seen as arguments) with .Z extensions Try zcat < file.compressed | gnutar xvf - -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Message-ID: <1994Apr6.213503.19277@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2nukl0$opa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 21:35:03 GMT In article <2nukl0$opa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) writes: > : I have couple of compressed files from NeXT. (.compressed). How > : can uncompress those remotely, without using NeXTSTEP etc. Or > : is there a utility to uncompress that file on sparc etc? > : > Probably the easiest way is: > > cat file.compressed | zcat | tar xf - > > This will probably tell you that .compressed actually means .tar.Z Bad. For several reasons. Try: uncompress < file.compressed | tar xf - Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Message-ID: <1994Apr6.225517.19665@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 22:55:17 GMT In article <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > > >> cat file.compressed | zcat | tar xf - > > Well, it's called zcat because it works like cat, so you don't need > the cat at all. Also for NeXT .compressed files, you want to use > gnutar to extract because it was used to make them and they might > have long names. So, the command line answer is: > > zcat file.compressed | gnutar xvf - > Better than my previous attempt, but you need to redirect the compressed file, as zcat (and uncompress) expect a .Z extension. So (once more): uncompress < file.compressed | gnutar xvf - Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Date: 07 Apr 1994 02:03:43 GMT Organization: Department of Biological Sciences, Stanford University Message-ID: <MAGNUS.94Apr6190343@fisher.Stanford.EDU> References: <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <1994Apr6.225517.19665@seer.demon.co.uk> In-reply-to: paul@seer.demon.co.uk's message of Wed, 6 Apr 1994 22:55:17 GMT In article <1994Apr6.225517.19665@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes: > So (once more): > > uncompress < file.compressed | gnutar xvf - To optimize even further, why not gnutar -xzvf - < file.compressed as the "-z" option tells gnutar to pipe through gzip? -- Magnus Nordborg magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail welcome) Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-5020 +1 (415) 723-4952 (office)
From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Date: 7 Apr 1994 02:32:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research Message-ID: <2nvrbk$hfu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> References: <1994Apr6.225517.19665@seer.demon.co.uk> >>> cat file.compressed | zcat | tar xf - >> zcat file.compressed | gnutar xvf - > uncompress < file.compressed | gnutar xvf - Just say not to unnecessary an inefficient pipes: gnutar xZf file.compressed --Glenn
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TextFormatter subclass icon wanted. Date: 7 Apr 1994 09:22:19 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2o0frr$d4c@steffi.demon.co.uk> I will be releasing a DBTextFormatter subclass in the form of a CustomObject palette. I'd like a couple of icons The theme is TextFormatter (DBTableView) and MVC. 12-2bit reps one for the palette and one for the object itself. -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: znih!dbhinz (David Hinz) Subject: Daydream Mac box Message-ID: <1994Apr7.051604.4603@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: dbhinz@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 05:16:04 GMT What's the general opinion in the NewsGroups about the Daydream box which allows you Nextstation become a Macintosh. For $600.00 or so it seems like a good deal. I'm considering buying one, unless there are some very strong opinions against it. Has anyone used it, or purchased it yet? David Hinz. dbhinz@znih.rmnug.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: business card weight stock for laser printing? Message-ID: <1994Apr7.015450.3154@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <2nun0s$8jk@news.nd.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 01:54:50 GMT In article <2nun0s$8jk@news.nd.edu> gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu (George B. Ross) writes: > Hey there, > I would like to print up a few business cards. My problem > is, where can I get some business card weight stock that I > can print on with a regular laser printer? Full 8.5x11 inch Avery form # 5371 "Laser Business Cards" 2 x 3.5 inches, 10/sheet. Works for me. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schwett@netcom.com Subject: Ack! PC/Win .pfb -> NeXT Fonts.... Message-ID: <schwettCnvvzG.CB5@netcom.com> Summary: Help Me! Keywords: fonts windows nextstep postscript help Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 10:04:28 GMT Oh Dear... I've been bitching and moaning at the paltry *two* really useable PostScript fonts that come with NeXTStep, wishing very much that I could use on of the 35 or so that are built into my LaserJet 4M. Having given up on that (since I'm not about to pay money for copies of fonts that I already have...) I decided to try and convert one or two of the zillions of PostScript fonts I have on a CorelDraw CD-ROM. So I got the source for a pfb -> ascii ps converter, ran it on a font or two, and it churned out a file that looked just about exactly like the outlines that are included with NeXTStep. So I also took the metric file from the CD-ROM, stuffed them in a directory called fontname.font (in NextLibrary/Fonts), and made some links to /NextLibrary/Fonts/Outlines, and /NextLibrary/Fonts/afm... then I ran "buildafmdir /Nextlibrary/Fonts" It seemed to work. When I logged out and in, the new font was listed in the font panel, but it was listed as "unuseable." Does anybody know where I went wrong? Is there a document anywhere that might tell me how to do this? Am I making life difficult and overcomplicating something that is really simple? Should I break down and by disk versions of the fonts already in my printer? (In MicroShaft's Windoze environment, those sorts of things are free...) Thanks for any Chortles, Giggles, Sugggestions, and so on... Mark Schwettmann (schwett@netcom.com or schwett@soda.berkeley.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Message-ID: <1994Apr7.121129.674@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 94 12:11:29 GMT In article <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > > >> cat file.compressed | zcat | tar xf - > > Well, it's called zcat because it works like cat, so you don't need > the cat at all. Also for NeXT .compressed files, you want to use > gnutar to extract because it was used to make them and they might > have long names. So, the command line answer is: > > zcat file.compressed | gnutar xvf - Might as well forget about the zcat. Use gnutar's z option. gnutar xvzf file.compressed -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Still the same boring old signature...
From: work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Other NeXT related magazines/newsletters Date: 7 Apr 1994 09:30:25 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <2o0jrh$9v@machthenext.dannug.dk> Keywords: NeXT magazines, no-more-NeXTWORLD Hello everybody, Now that we don t have the NeXTWORLD magazine anymore, I would like to know some more about the alternatives. I have already asked for the first issue of NeXT In Line, but how about NeXTSTEP in Focus and NXApp??? Anyone know them??? What are they like, what kind of NeXT-related stuff do they cover??? Are they hardcopy, or are they distributed electronically??? What are the prices, foreign/abroad??? Thanks for any help provided. Best regards Michael --- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk NonNeXTMail: mh.xeroxvang@rxdk.xerox.com Voice: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Fax: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Work: Int + 45 43 43 43 03 Fax: Int + 45 43 43 59 70 _____________________________________________
From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Daydream Mac box Date: 7 Apr 1994 12:22:03 GMT Organization: MicroMuse Ltd, London, England Message-ID: <2o0ttb$gff@jake.micromuse.co.uk> References: <1994Apr7.051604.4603@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> David Hinz (znih!dbhinz) wrote: : What's the general opinion in the NewsGroups about the Daydream box which : allows you Nextstation become a Macintosh. For $600.00 or so it seems like a : good deal. : I'm considering buying one, unless there are some very strong opinions against : it. Has anyone used it, or purchased it yet? I haven't heard of it, but heck I'm curious..... Have you got any details on it? -- ============================================================================ dj@micromuse.co.uk |"I'm a loser, Baby, so why don't you kill me?" Beck Voice +44-81-875-9500 |"You're much too kind I smiled with murder | on my mind" PSB ------------------------+--------------------------------------------------- Non-standard Disclaimer : "I didn't do it, it wasn't me, I wasn't there"
From: mmieszko@ac.dal.ca (Marek Roland-Mieszkowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ** DFG (Sound for NeXT and Intel) ** Message-ID: <1994Apr7.100801.22739@dal1> Date: 7 Apr 94 10:08:01 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada We are looking for people with NeXTSTEP on Intel with D/A card. *************************************************************** Digital Function Generator (DFG) software is a powerful tool for generation of audio test signals which could be used in acoustics, physics, electronics, engineering, music etc. This software is availiable for last 2 years for NeXT computers. At present we are testing DFG on Intel platforms. Would you be interested to check our software DFG on your machine ? Test will take no longer than 15->30 min and you will get useful DFG_demo.app software. Your help will be highly appreciated......... We can send DFG_demo.app software via NeXTmail to you. File is only 70 kB long. For those who are on the E-mail but do not know how to use NeXTmail via E-mail we will send instructions how to do this. Best regards, Marek Roland-Mieszkowski _ _ _ _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| Marek Roland - Mieszkowski, M.Sc.,Ph.D. |_| |_| |_| _ _ _ DIGITAL RECORDINGS - Advanced R & D _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| 5959 Spring Garden Road, Suite 1103 |_| |_| |_| _ _ _ Halifax, Nova Scotia, B3H-1Y5, Canada _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| Tel./ Fax. (902) 429-9622 |_| |_| |_| oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Everything is Information in one form or another.............mrm oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
From: mike@whammo.media.mit.edu (Michael Hawley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Gateway wedging Date: 6 Apr 1994 03:37:30 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Message-ID: <2ntapq$5up@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> We're building 3.2 on a Gateway 66v tower machine, with DPT 2022 and ATI graphics. Boot from floppy works fine, the disk format works fine, but the subsequent boot from CD-ROM wedges. In particular, it freezes at "Registering PCKeyboard0." Any clue as to why?
From: grio@next.com (Dan Grillo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT FTP Sites... Date: 6 Apr 1994 06:14:06 GMT Organization: Technical Support, NeXT Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <2ntjve$stv@rosie.next.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Versions: dmail 1.8z+/makemail 2.2 luomat@alleg.EDU writes in comp.sys.next.misc: > Anyone else have a suggestion of an FTP site not on the above list? ftp.next.com --Dan
From: croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca (Chris J. Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Mux Driver (Re: Serial port hardware/drivers for NSI?) Date: 6 Apr 1994 06:59:07 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ntmjr$15d@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <2nqrid$re@news.delphi.com> <2ns8sb$iok@cs.ubc.ca> <next2.765579544@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <2nspgk$9t@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> In article <2nspgk$9t@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: >I installed the MUXD driver and it worked, but seemed >no faster than the Next driver, AND all z-modem transfers >failed. I just installed the vanilla MUX driver after a make. >What could I have done wrong? > >R. de Lucca I too just installed the Mux driver, and it works a bit better (I don't get many errors at 19200 anymore), but I still lose a lot of characters at 38400 with Mux complaining: Apr 5 23:03:00 localhost mach: Mux[7e1]: silo overflow Apr 5 23:03:41 localhost last message repeated 21 times I'm using the default configuration, and I tried doubling the buffer size to 4096 with no apparent change: mach: Mux0: probe for Serial Port Hardware: mach: 0x3f8: 16450 installed Buffer 1536<2000<4096 mach: Registering: Mux0 mach: Mux1: probe for Serial Port Hardware: mach: 0x2f8: 16450 installed Buffer 1536<2000<4096 mach: Registering: Mux1 Anyone have any clues? Thanks --- Chris Roehrig (croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca) Invertebrate Learning Group, University of British Columbia, Canada -- Chris Roehrig (croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca) Invertebrate Learning Group, University of British Columbia, Canada
From: af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SUMMARY: no more processes Date: 6 Apr 94 10:17:14 GMT Organization: Universites Paris VI/Paris VII - France Distribution: world Message-ID: <af.765627434@iaka> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, the general consensus about the "no more processes" error is that this is a known bug of NS 3.1, leaving zombie processes around especially when drag and drop operations are performed. The solution might be to upgrade to NS 3.2 (which I can't do), although some people seem to imply that this particular bug is not completely fixed and that 3.2 has more than its share of new bugs. Others suggested a daemon that alerts the user when the number of zombie processes is about to fill the process table, and offer a clean reboot. Strange as it seems, there is no way to enlarge the process table on NS 3.1. No nproc=XX kernel flag. ** FLAME ON ** NS is the first Unix system I've ever seen that offers no reconfiguration of the size of the process table. Now I find all the noise made about NS being the new-generation object-oriented microkernel-based [etc.] Unix quite pathetic. This, among other things (broken telnetd, no decent automounter, broken lock daemon, swap space leakage...) would rather make me consider NS as a very nice wrapping of a paleolithic Unix kernel... reminds me of SunOS 3.x or Ultrix 1.x... ** FLAME OFF ** Thanks who all the people who replied. _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health Research Labs 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (*no* NeXTmail !) Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68
From: csmith@blackplague.gmu.edu (Christian Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NS/FIP 3.2 can't read Mac disk. Followup-To: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Date: 6 Apr 1994 11:45:30 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <2nu7cq$f3g@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2nr1bs$k5i@news.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Wong (chris@helser54.res.iastate.edu) wrote: : How on the earth can I get NS/FIP 3.2 to read Mac disks? : Please help. : It reads the Mac disks formatted by itself. But, it can't read the Mac : disks formatter by a Mac. Is it possible that the Mac disks formatted by the Mac are not formatted high density? I.e., if the Mac does not have a HDSD floppy drive then it will format HD disks as DD disks (800K instead of 1.44M). Other then this, you should have no trouble reading Mac formatted disks on an NSI 3.2 machine. -- Christian Smith aka Blackplague PGP Public Key available by finger or request.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blanford@gemstone.com (Ron Blanford) Subject: Re: Serial port hardware/drivers for NSI? Message-ID: <1994Apr6.041559.27616@venice.sedd.trw.com> Originator: blanford@arkenstone Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <2ns8sb$iok@cs.ubc.ca> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 04:15:59 GMT In article <2ns8sb$iok@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes: > Maybe I should ask instead what > driver should I be using instead of the 3.2 driver? > Get the MUX driver v1.4 from cs.orst.edu (/pub/next/sources/drivers/MuxDriverSRC1.4.tar.gz). I couldn't do over 19200 until I installed it, but afterward 38400 worked flawlessly. -- Ron blanford@gemstone.com
From: ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Date: 6 Apr 1994 15:31:44 GMT Organization: Academic Computing Services, Sheffield University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nukl0$opa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <2nkredINNeuo@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> : I have couple of compressed files from NeXT. (.compressed). How : can uncompress those remotely, without using NeXTSTEP etc. Or : is there a utility to uncompress that file on sparc etc? : Probably the easiest way is: cat file.compressed | zcat | tar xf - This will probably tell you that .compressed actually means .tar.Z Have fun, mmalcolm.
From: gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu (George B. Ross) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: business card weight stock for laser printing? Date: 6 Apr 1994 16:12:12 GMT Organization: University of Notre Dame Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nun0s$8jk@news.nd.edu> Hey there, I would like to print up a few business cards. My problem is, where can I get some business card weight stock that I can print on with a regular laser printer? Full 8.5x11 inch sheets are fine, with perforations for separating would be great. Also, is there anything like this for color printers (yeah, wishful thinking)? Thanks... -george George B. Ross_____NeXTmail welcome_________gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering_______University of Notre Dame
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: WANTED: Magneto Optical Drive for the NeXT Followup-To: poster Date: 6 Apr 1994 17:35:04 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2nurs8$ils@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Keywords: MO Drive, NeXT, Black Hardware Hi, I need to find a Magneto Optical drive for my 68040 NeXT Cube!! I you have one that is in good working order I would like to hear about it!! Thanks, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Date: 6 Apr 1994 17:41:18 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2nkredINNeuo@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> <2nukl0$opa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> >> cat file.compressed | zcat | tar xf - Well, it's called zcat because it works like cat, so you don't need the cat at all. Also for NeXT .compressed files, you want to use gnutar to extract because it was used to make them and they might have long names. So, the command line answer is: zcat file.compressed | gnutar xvf - (I threw in the "v" so you could see what's going on.) mark
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Date: 7 Apr 1994 20:37:09 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2o1qtl$476@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <1994Apr7.121129.674@qb.rhein-main.de> I forgot that the real zcat looks for .Z on the name. zcat on my system is actually gzip, so it works on .Z and .gz (and .compressed) files. As was pointed out, you need to "zcat < blah.compressed ..." for it to work. Also on 3.2, the gnutar is recent enough to know about gzip, so I am now changing my habit from "zcat blah.[compress,Z,gz] | gnutar xvf -" to "gnutar xvfz blah.[]", since the "z" runs gzip. This still allows a single habit for all three suffixes. As for the person who suggests that gnutar xvfz or xvfZ eliminates a pipe, it doesn't. It simply runs the gzip -d or compress -d commands for you to save you some typing. You can check this with the ps command while gnutar is running. Finally, if you are dealing with a .compressed file on another machine, I still recommend getting gnutar, possibly having to compile it, since the .compressed file might have file names longer than 100 characters. In that case, gnutar (which Workspace uses) deals with it, but tar will not know what to do with the inserted long names in the tar file. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgrace@netcom.com (Joseph Grace) Subject: Re: business card weight stock for laser printing? Message-ID: <jgraceCnwnoA.6Dr@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2nun0s$8jk@news.nd.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 20:02:33 GMT In article <2nun0s$8jk@news.nd.edu>, George B. Ross <gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu> wrote: >Hey there, >I would like to print up a few business cards. My problem >is, where can I get some business card weight stock that I >can print on with a regular laser printer? Full 8.5x11 inch >sheets are fine, with perforations for separating would be >great. Also, is there anything like this for color printers >(yeah, wishful thinking)? George, the best I've found are: Avery "Laser Business Cards", part #5371 I have also tried a few from mail-order catalogue paper companies with disappoining results. Note that the weight of the paper is still somewhat light (on all the samples I've seen). What makes the Avery cards best, in my opinion, is the very fine micro-perforations and the very white paper. Believe it or not, some of the business cards had coarse and visible perforations (yuch!). Anyhow, the Avery's work well enough! Good luck, = Joe =
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: swapfile on remote disk? Message-ID: <1994Apr7.152802.8789@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 7 Apr 94 15:28:01 CST Organization: As little as I can get away with... I put lines similar to: # Primary file, 16MB low-water, 56MB high-water /private/vm/swapfile lowat=16777216,hiwat=58720256,prefer # Secondary file, 1KB low-water /external/swapfile lowat=1024 in /etc/swaptab. When I reboot, /external/swapfile isn't created. What else do I need to do to get a secondary swapfile? -- kc
From: ccpaulh@monad.missouri.edu (H. Paul Hammann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing to an HP 4si with a Jet Direct card? Date: 7 Apr 1994 04:13:05 GMT Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: World Message-ID: <2o018h$fnl@louie.udel.edu> Hello, we have an HP4si printer with a Jetdirect ethernet card in it. It is quite easy to print to using the command line. All you do is telnet to it and anything you type is printed. If the first two characters are %! then the data stream is considered as postscript. I would very much like to be able to get this to show up in the print panel you get when you hit Cmd-p. I tried using PrintManager.app to create a new printer but when I tried to change the communications from Serial to something else (telnet to an address), there were no other options. Any help or pointers to information would be greatly appreciated. -- H. Paul Hammann ccpaulh@monad.missouri.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) Subject: Wanted: contact at Sun for OpenStep Message-ID: <espritCnwzz9.LIA@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 00:28:20 GMT See subject line. I was wondering of anyone knows of a good contact at Sun concerning the OpenStep work. Why? Check out my work address. -- ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Alan F. Perry | Life is short, but by achieving greater speeds alanp@eng.sun.com (work) | a man can make his life a little longer and esprit@netcom.com (home) | more affluent - Soichiro Honda
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) Subject: Re: Strange Workspace-Inspector Goody Sender: news@gallant.apple.com Message-ID: <deluxe-070494172614@17.220.88.110> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 01:26:14 GMT References: <1994Mar26.174208.675@westwerk.cube.de> Organization: Buzz's Towing and Wrecker Service (24 hour) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc In article <1994Mar26.174208.675@westwerk.cube.de>, mburg@westwerk.cube.de (Michael Burgstahler) wrote: > I've discovered a strange function of the Workspace File-Inspector (works in > all four views): > > The Icon of the inspected file/folder is displayed in the upper third of the > Inspector Panel. When you click this Icon with the mouse, the alpha-Channel > disappears the more often you click. In the end, you have an Icon with only > 100%-alpha pixels left. Pixels with only partial alpha has been transformed to > non-alpha. Both WriteNow and Executor icons change when I click them. What other apps have alpha-channel icons?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: inexile!anis@netcom.com (Anis Khwaja) Subject: Re: Serial port hardware/drivers for NSI? Message-ID: <CntnwL.87G@padd.org> Sender: anis@padd.org (Anis Khwaja) Organization: People Against Dating Drunk. References: <2nspgk$9t@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 05:14:45 GMT In article <2nspgk$9t@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: > Hi, > > I installed the MUXD driver and it worked, but seemed > no faster than the Next driver, AND all z-modem transfers > failed. I just installed the vanilla MUX driver after a make. > I am using the MUX drivers with Hayes ESP board on com1 (have to boot in dos to turn on the FIFO) and seem to run the port fine at 38.4. I am using a 28.8 zoom and get 28.8 connect consistently. > What could I have done wrong? > What UART do you have. Get a 16550A. (or the ESP board, true there are no drivers for it to run it in the DMA mode but you can boot in dos and set it in the Compatibility mode and it acts like a 16500A but has a 1K buffer instead of 16 bytes). > Thanks > > R. de Lucca > anis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Re: Switching between applications? Message-ID: <Cnx8sw.1GE@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <9404040336.AA16845@alleg.EDU> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 03:41:27 GMT In article <9404040336.AA16845@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: > Does anyone know of a key-combination to switch between > application in NS like shift-TAB in MS-Windows(ughhhhh). ? > COMMAND+UP/DN ARROW Cycles through the windows
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Message-ID: <Cnw35K.6C@cvbnet.CV.COM> Sender: usenet@cvbnet.CV.COM (News Account ) Organization: Computervision References: <2nm0jj$95j@yucca.omnigroup.com> <1994Apr5.142312.22121@qb.rhein-main.de> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 12:39:19 GMT In article <1994Apr5.142312.22121@qb.rhein-main.de>, vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: |> In article <2nm0jj$95j@yucca.omnigroup.com> wjs@yucca.omnigroup.com (William |> Shipley) writes: |> > |> > Sandeep Kochhar writes: |> > [about problems previewing PostScript from PowerPoint 3.0...] |> > |> logo as a bitmap. If I check "compress bitmaps" in the printer installation, |> the bitmap code will be truncated rather than compressed. If I don't |> check it, either an operator named "timeout" or one named "unpack" will be |> used that isn't defined. |> |> Very hairy, just like the rest of that company's software... |> |> -- |> Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) |> My original problems about previewing Postscript from Powerpoint 3.0 were after I'd cleaned up the ^D. But --- similar to the above --- I did have a bitmap scanned-in logo in the file, which seemed to cause the problem... Based on one responder's suggestions, I'm working on creating a smaller file that shows the problem...then I'll post it to the net so people can look at it and have fun... -- Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730-1486 fax: (617) 275-5166
From: chris@helser54.res.iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,sysadmin Subject: SoftPC lacks of windows fonts Date: 8 Apr 1994 04:53:04 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Message-ID: <2o2nvg$693@news.iastate.edu> When I try to install a OEM driver that come with my Dell JAW system to SoftPC Windows full screen mode. SoftPC ask for windows disks!!! What's the point to buy a Windows emulation software and be be ask to insert a diskette from MicroSoft.... Gee.... Anybody know any workaround besides of buying a copy of Windows. Any public domain equivalent windows fonts? Like the CGA something... Thanks for any info... -- Chris Wong chris@iastate.edu Iowa State University
From: balfanz@zorro.informatik.hu-berlin.de (Dirk Balfanz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: latest PDO anouncement Date: 8 Apr 1994 07:06:28 GMT Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <2o2vpk$p9m@hahn.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Could a kind soul please point me to a place were I can find the latest PDO anouncement. (Is there a c.s.n.*-archiving site?) The according posting has already expired and - silly me! - I forgot to save it. Or if YOU have it, maybe you can mail it to me. But then, maybe it's a better idea to contact me first. (It was about DEC's Alpha, wasn't it?) Many thanks in advance. Dirk.
From: vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu (VampLestat) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mosaic for NeXTstation Date: 8 Apr 1994 07:28:31 GMT Organization: Me, organized? You gotta be kidding. Message-ID: <2o312v$4jo@garuda.csulb.edu> References: <2nfdgv$1lt@kasey.umkc.edu> <2nh6p3$sr2@relay2.oleane.net> <2ni9fj$9pd@tern.csulb.edu> <2nm08v$948@yucca.omnigroup.com> And William Shipley<wjs@yucca.omnigroup.com> spake unto the masses: >>The original post indicated he was looking for Mosaic that would run under >>2.1, and Omniweb is a 3.0+ only app, and I have yet to see a 2.1 binary >>for XMosaic. > >I'll fix this for you. Of course, I'll have to charge $800, but to make >the deal sweeter I'll throw in an unopened copy of NEXTSTEP 3.2. Huh? >>What I've had to do so far is run Co-Xist on 2.1 and then rlogin to a 3.0 >>machine and xhost and display on my 2.1 machine. > >I assume that NXHost doesn't work from 3.0 to 2.1? No, it doesnt. -- _O_ Ryan L. Watkins i tried to tell her | vamp@beach.csulb.edu about marx and engels, god and angels | finger for pgp public key i don't really know what for aka VampLestat but she looked good in ribbons - som
From: next2@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,sysadmin Subject: Re: SoftPC lacks of windows fonts Date: 8 Apr 94 10:20:40 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <next2.765800440@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <2o2nvg$693@news.iastate.edu> chris@helser54.res.iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >When I try to install a OEM driver that come with my Dell JAW system to >SoftPC Windows full screen mode. SoftPC ask for windows disks!!! What's >the point to buy a Windows emulation software and be be ask to insert a >diskette from MicroSoft.... Gee.... >Anybody know any workaround besides of buying a copy of Windows. I think all files which are required can be found in the Windows subdir within SoftPC.app. Maybe it is possible to redirect the disk request to this directory? Just a wild guess. Regards, Markus. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Expert in quantum bogodynamics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: NeXT and Defender Call Back System Message-ID: <1994Apr8.111539.4046@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <Cnupor.EIo@apollo.hp.com> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 94 11:15:39 GMT In article <Cnupor.EIo@apollo.hp.com> ganek@apollo.hp.com (Daniel E. Ganek) writes: > I need some help with /etc/remote > > HP in chelmsford uses a Defender Call Back System from remote > access to its system. Basically, > > 1) I call in, > 2) Type a few CR's > 3) The system prompts me and I enter my account number > 4) The system hangs up and then calls me back. > > I've been trying to automate the above. I've been using tip and > step 1 is no problem. Step 2 is where I'm having problems. The > Defender does not issue a prompt until I enter a few CR's. It > seems that tip does not send the "cm" string until it receives a > prompt from the remote node. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on an /etc/remote entry that > might work? The (absolutely brute-force) solution I once used for this kind of problem was to spawn off another process that sleeps for some time while tip starts up and then does an echo <something> >/dev/ttya several times as superuser. This worked, albeit very ugly. There was no sort of synchronisation between tip/uucp and the echo, so it was only reliable when the machine wasn't overloaded with work. Might help, but don't judge me by solutions like that, please... ;-) -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Still the same boring old signature...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: SUMMARY: no more processes Message-ID: <1994Apr8.112540.4121@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <af.765627434@iaka> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 94 11:25:40 GMT In article <af.765627434@iaka> af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) writes: [...] > Strange as it seems, there is no way to enlarge the process table on NS > 3.1. No nproc=XX kernel flag. > > ** FLAME ON ** > > NS is the first Unix system I've ever seen that offers no > reconfiguration of the size of the process table. Now I find all the > noise made about NS being the new-generation object-oriented > microkernel-based [etc.] Unix quite pathetic. This, among other things > (broken telnetd, no decent automounter, broken lock daemon, swap space > leakage...) would rather make me consider NS as a very nice wrapping of > a paleolithic Unix kernel... reminds me of SunOS 3.x or Ultrix 1.x... > > ** FLAME OFF ** Telnetd is broken, OK, but: - The process table has a *per-user* limit, not a global one. The per-user limit is reasonable in a multi-user environment since you don't want anyone to hog your machine with the silly fork()-loop trick or some such. - What's wrong with the automounter? - What's wrong with the lock daemon? - The alleged swap space leakage has been thoroughly explained by a NeXT engineer recently. It is neither a leak nor a bug, but rather an implicit limitation of a sequential file system (you cannot "shrink" a file even if it has large holes in it, as long as there is something at the end of the file). -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Still the same boring old signature...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de (Ralf Neumann) Subject: Help: How to get 4600 Internet-tiffs in the NewsGrazzer and Mail.app Message-ID: <1994Apr8.110540.655@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de Organization: DRN Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 11:05:40 GMT Hello, I have about 4600 pictures from the Internet for /LocalLibrary/Images/Pictures. I want to see these pictures inside the NewsGrazer and the mail.app. With a small amount of pictures (I tried about 200 ) I have no problems at all to install them with the folowing shell comands: # cd /LocalLibrary/Images/People # nidump aliases / >aliases # nidump passwd / >passwd # ./makemailpic always the shell tells me: /makemailpic: /bin/ls: arg list too long ./makemailpic: /bin/ls: arg list too long The contens of the makemailpic is #!/bin/sh echo "# aliases file for Internet Format" >>aliases /bin/ls -1 *.tiff | sed 's/.tiff$//; h; s/\./@/; G; s/\n/: /'>>aliases echo "# passwd file" >>passwd /bin/ls -1 *.tiff | sed 's/.tiff$/::10000::.:noshell/;' >>passwd I don't agree that it's really a problem of the /bin/ls or the shell because it is no problem at all to make ls -lg on the folder /LocalLibrary/People. I get a perfect output in the shell of about 5000 lines. Any help is very welcome because what's the use of 5MB Internet pictures if you can't see them in the NewsGrazer and the Mail.app. Thanks in advance Ralf %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cousens@biztech.com Subject: Re: Flow Charting Software Anyone? Message-ID: <1994Apr7.232613.23787@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <9404051052.AA00231@object.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 23:26:13 GMT Donald, sounds like you need Diagram from Lighthouse Designs. 1-800-366-2279, or (301)-907-4621. Diagram has basic flowcharting shapes, plus the ability to create your own palette of frequently used objects. Rik (cousens@biztech.com) In article <9404051052.AA00231@object.demon.co.uk> don@object.demon.co.uk (Donald Brady) writes: > Hi everybody > > Does anyone know of a flow charting app for NEXTSTEP ideally with an > API which would allow me to incorporate flow charts / workflow > diagrams into custom apps? > > Thanks in advance... > > Donald Brady > ------------ > Object Innovation Ltd. > Tel.: +44 41 332 1360 > e-mail: don@object.demon.co.uk [NeXTMAIL welcome]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cousens@biztech.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Jollys Answering Machine software? Message-ID: <1994Apr7.233245.23847@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <2nmmhv$3h7@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 23:32:45 GMT Robert, I actually tried it, and it works pretty well... The only problem is the "voice" compression. I was told that if I upgrade to the highest ROM revision ($30-35 from Zyxel), that I would have the better compression available. It works well (except for the irritating "clicking" caused by the compression) and could be a cheap alternative if you don't want to go out and spend $30+ on a new answering machine.... When I upgrade my ROM, I'll post my results (if anyone is interested). Have not tried the FAX stuff, sorry. Rik (cousens@biztech.com) In article <2nmmhv$3h7@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > Would anybody care to give me their thoughts on Jollys answer machine > software? > > Specifically can it operate with NXFax such that NXFax deals will all > incomming faxes? > > What's the sound quality like? > > -- > "C++ is the best C++ there is." > > (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cousens@biztech.com Subject: Re: help with computer rebooting Message-ID: <1994Apr7.234246.23913@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <2nklpb$7ud@names.maricopa.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 23:42:46 GMT Michael, Serge has the answer to the "auto-powerup" question (although I think you have to login as root to see this in the Preferences panel, I'm not really sure). The telephone appearing on the LoginWindow has something to do with the fact that you have PhoneConnector/PhoneManager installed on those machines. If you want to remove it, I suggest looking up PhoneManager in the Sysadm manual (I'm looking at it now), or maybe in /NextLibrary/Documentation/SysAdmin on how to remove it, if you don't want it. Rik (cousens@biztech.com) In article <2nklpb$7ud@names.maricopa.edu> xcarn@mcmuse.mc.maricopa.edu (Michael Carnright) writes: > I work with several Black NeXT computers that are networked together. > On several of these when they are powered down they reboot. Is there a > preferance I can change to keep them from automaticly rebooting? > > A second question I have is that on several of the login windows > there is a phone icon. They are not set up to use this application (I > think). Why has this Icon appeared? Does it have something to do with > the Phone connector app. ? > > Thank you in advance for any help you can give me on these problems.
From: ibs@rz.uni-jena.de (Bertram Smolny) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: eps2HPGL ???? Date: 8 Apr 1994 12:28:28 GMT Organization: Friedrich-Schiller-University Jena, Germany Message-ID: <2o3ilc$med@hpux.rz.uni-jena.de> hi, is there anyone who knows a method to transform PostScript-files to HPGL to plot a larch file on a HPGL-plotter ? :-/ thank you very much for answers Bertram
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cjones@marcie.wellesley.edu Subject: Gopher File Save Problem Message-ID: <8APR94.15552507@marcie.wellesley.edu> Sender: news@olaf.wellesley.edu (USENET News System) Organization: WELLESLEY COLLEGE Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 15:55:25 GMT On one of our user accounts, I'm having a strange problem with trying to use the Save file... feature in Gopher v1.3.b on NEXTSTEP intel 3.2. Whenever I click on this option with a text block in my gopher window, the program abruptly terminates. the option panel for saving files appears for an instant, then disappears. As mentioned, on other accounts the feature works fine. I've done a quick check on file permissions, but can't quite figure out where the problem lies. We've just begun experimenting with NEXTSTEP in a college library setting, and hopefully this problem is something fairly straightforward. Thanks. Carl ========================================================================= Carl Jones Internet: cjones@lucy.wellesley.edu Systems Librarian Voice: (617) 283-2172 Margaret Clapp Library Wellesley College Wellesley, MA 02181 =========================================================================
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Thoughts on Jollys Answering Machine software? (Zyxel Voice compression) Date: 8 Apr 1994 15:56:58 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2o3rbq$3am@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2nmmhv$3h7@steffi.demon.co.uk> <1994Apr7.233245.23847@biztech.com> cousens@biztech.com wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >Robert, > I actually tried it, and it works pretty well... The only problem >is the "voice" compression. I was told that if I upgrade to the highest >ROM revision ($30-35 from Zyxel), that I would have the better compression >available. It works well (except for the irritating "clicking" caused by really is that true? I recently grabbed the images of the ftp site (see the Zyxel FAQ) and had the eproms burnt. Do I get better compression now with the new software? -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dond@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com (Don Dupuis) Subject: SoundBlaster Driver FIP? Sender: news@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com (Netnews) Organization: Compaq Computer Corp. Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 15:31:56 GMT Message-ID: <Cny5t8.Joq@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> Where can I find the SoundBlaster Driver for NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors? Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hidinger@sandlot.nosc.mil (Ronald M Hidinger) Subject: audio CD on NSFIP Message-ID: <1994Apr8.162148.13930@nosc.mil> Sender: news@nosc.mil (Network News) Organization: NCCOSC RDT&E Division, San Diego, CA Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 16:21:48 GMT From time to time I've seen complaints about using audio CD's with various Intel hardware. There have been responses attesting that it should work just fine and other responses with proposed solutions. The most recent example: > This is what I had to do to get everything flying -- as > I remember it, anyway. My memory could well be flat out > wrong on some of this. > > 1) Make sure /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.util > and /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app/CDPlayer are both > setuid root. (mode 4755) > > 2) If that dosen't help, try making the CD-ROM drive the > SECOND LOWEST SCSI ID, because somewhere is, or at least > used to be, a hardcoded dependency on having the drive > as "/dev/rsd1h". The file > /usr/filesystems/cdaudio.fs/cdaudio.device and "dwrite > CDPlayer CDDrive /dev/rsd1h" are supposed to have some > affect on getting around that, but when I was messing > with it long ago, I didn't have much luck... (There's > some kinda correspondence between cdaudio.device and that > dwrite, I think, too.. updating one affects the other, > but I dunno the right order) I cannot get my Epson NX/Adaptec 1542B/Toshiba 3401/NS 3.2 to play audio CD's. When one is inserted, the console reports: probing for CDROM probing for DOS probing for mac probing for cdaudio and ejects the caddy. This occurs whether CDPlayer is running or not running, in the dock or not in the dock, SCSI address high or low. Although I've not checked recently, I found nothing in the NEXT compatibility guides that mention this. Does anybody know the real deal or is fear and superstition the order of the day? Ron Hidinger hidinger@nosc.mil
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: WANTED: NeXTStep 3.2 CD-ROMs (OS & Developer) Followup-To: poster Date: 8 Apr 1994 17:27:34 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2o4466$6ha@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hi! I am looking for someone who has the NeXTstep 3.2 OS & Developer CDs. If you have one or both of these, then *please* write me and tell me. I need them most desperately!!! Thanks for any info, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: evans@batman.tamu.edu (Bryan D. Evans) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: Disable power button on NeXT Hardware Date: 8 Apr 1994 14:05:47 -0500 Organization: Computing and Information Services Message-ID: <2o49ub$rg9@batman.tamu.edu> I am trying to disable the power button on several NeXTs in a lab, but I am unable to find any information about this in our manuals. We are running NeXTStep 3.0 on NeXT hardware. If you have any information on this, please mail me at evans@batman.tamu.edu. Thank you very much, Bryan Evans evans@batman.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Strange Workspace-Inspector Goody Message-ID: <1994Apr8.180037.17799@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <deluxe-070494172614@17.220.88.110> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 94 18:00:37 GMT The NEXTSTEP Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: In article <deluxe-070494172614@17.220.88.110> deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) writes: > In article <1994Mar26.174208.675@westwerk.cube.de>, mburg@westwerk.cube.de > (Michael Burgstahler) wrote: > > > I've discovered a strange function of the Workspace File-Inspector (works > > in all four views): > > > > The Icon of the inspected file/folder is displayed in the upper third of > > the Inspector Panel. When you click this Icon with the mouse, the > > alpha-Channel disappears the more often you click. In the end, you have > > an Icon with only 100%-alpha pixels left. Pixels with only partial alpha > > has been transformed to non-alpha. > [deleted] And in response, thus spake the Oracle: The button that contains the file's image is simply being composited with NX_SOVER without clearing the view first. Hence, all of the partially transparent portions of the icons get darker. It's a bug. You owe the Oracle a cable TV box so he can get more alpha channels. - Drew (who's been reading too much rec.humor.oracle lately) -- +--------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson - Software Guy | "Computers are useless. They can | | First National Bank of Chicago | only give you answers." | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | - Pablo Picasso | +--------< All opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone >---------+
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: Magneto Optical Drive for NeXT cube!! Followup-To: poster Date: 8 Apr 1994 18:48:12 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2o48tc$7vr@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Keywords: Magneto Optical Hi, I am desperatly seeking a Magneto-Optical drive for my Next cube. If anyone in the DC, MD, VA, DE area has one to sell, please let me know. People in other states may also respond, but local people will get priority. Thanks, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: hketola@agsm.ucla.edu (Heikki Ketola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: business card weight stock for laser printing? Date: 8 Apr 1994 18:42:58 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <2o48ji$hhe@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <2nun0s$8jk@news.nd.edu> gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu (George B. Ross) writes: >Hey there, >I would like to print up a few business cards. My problem >is, where can I get some business card weight stock that I >can print on with a regular laser printer? Full 8.5x11 inch >sheets are fine, with perforations for separating would be >great. Also, is there anything like this for color printers >(yeah, wishful thinking)? >Thanks... >-george >George B. Ross_____NeXTmail welcome_________gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu >Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering_______University of Notre Dame I've used regular manilla file folders -I have to trim them first to letter size (8.5 by 11 inches). Hand feeding them into neXT laser works pretty well. Cutting the page to biz card size is a pain, though. Also, I have noticed that the laser printing is not very chafe-resistant. The cards look terrible after they have been in my wallet for a couple of days -the laser toner wears off. Beats me if the Avery stock has this problem. Heikki
From: night@b65215.student.cwru.edu (John L. Millard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2o4glg$qpe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Control: cancel <2o4glg$qpe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 8 Apr 1994 21:02:38 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <2o4gpe$qpe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2]
From: grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com (Grettir Asmundarson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dial-In on NS/Intel, nothing but gibberish. Date: 8 Apr 1994 11:53:41 -0600 Organization: Keflavik Message-ID: <2o45n5$ai@keflavik.wordperfect.com> I've configured my NeXSTEP Intel box for dial-in. I've made the appropriate changes in /etc/ttys and the modem is set to Auto-Answer. But when I dial in and the modems connect, I get nothing but gibberish on the screen. I've tried dialing in using 8n1 and 7e1, but neither seems to be the answer. Has anyone else seen the problem? BTW, I can dial out without any problem. Thanks in advance, Grettir -- "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." - Mark Twain
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SoftPC lacks of windows fonts Message-ID: <2o4q7q$2h2@news.iastate.edu> From: chris@helser54.res.iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Date: 8 Apr 1994 23:43:54 GMT References: <next2.765800440@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa In article <next2.765800440@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> next2@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) writes: >:) >:) I think all files which are required can be found in the Windows subdir >:) within SoftPC.app. Maybe it is possible to redirect the disk request >:) to this directory? Just a wild guess. Nope. Not all standard files from MickeySoft Windows are in the windows subdirectory. We're buying some Windows emulator that require you to buy a copy of Window. -- Chris Wong chris@iastate.edu Iowa State University
From: jin@atlantis.rutgers.edu (Gavin Gim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Flow Charting Software Anyone? Message-ID: <Apr.8.00.21.46.1994.20470@atlantis.rutgers.edu> Date: 8 Apr 94 04:21:47 GMT References: <9404051052.AA00231@object.demon.co.uk> <1994Apr5.191609.16008@seer.demon.co.uk> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes: >In article <9404051052.AA00231@object.demon.co.uk> don@object.demon.co.uk >(Donald Brady) writes: >> Hi everybody >> >> Does anyone know of a flow charting app for NEXTSTEP ideally with an >> API which would allow me to incorporate flow charts / workflow >> diagrams into custom apps? >> >What's wrong with Diagram? You would want a custom palette, but that is >easy; there might even be one for what you want in Diagram Pro. >You should also take a look at how you can create Diagram files directly >from your apps. Very neat. >Paul I think Diagram is the greatest flow charting app. Gavin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lars@odin.swb.de (Lars-Ulrich Kahl) Subject: Re: Daydream Mac box Message-ID: <CnwtD6.BB@odin.swb.de> Sender: lars@odin.swb.de (Lars-Ulrich Kahl) Organization: Private Site References: <2o0ttb$gff@jake.micromuse.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 22:05:29 GMT We have got Daydream in Use in a Betaversion, it worth its price!! You can order at -------------------------------------------------------------------- QUIX Computerware AG, P.O. Box 306, 6030 Ebikon-Lucerne, Switzerland quix@applelink.apple.com Fax 011-41-41-348680 From: Andy Grawehr -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ciao Lars NeXT Club Schwerte/ Germany lars@odin.swb.de Forwarded Message: DAYDREAM SHIPS We have shipped the very first packages of Daydream today, after a batch of Apple ROM chips arrived in the morning. We are now able to ship Daydream in quantities. While legal issues delayed the introduction (and even made it questionable whether Daydream will ship at all), we really had enough time to bring the product to perfection: The development team mainly improved the quality and reliability of Daydream, instead of coming up with a large number of buggy add-ons. We are proud to say that the product has been running really stable for several months now, as the offices at QUIX are equipped with NeXT computers running Daydream. Remarkably, the old 030 cubes perform far better than expected under Daydream/System7. Attached, you'll find the specification for the currently shipping version of Daydream. Also, a revised version of our Q&A is included, along with a price list and ordering information. Please note that special conditions apply for User Groups. If you have questions, it's best to e-mail or fax to my attention. Regards, Andy Grawehr QUIX Computerware AG -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- DAYDREAM run your Apple* Macintosh* Software on your NeXT* computer. SIMPLE - Converts a NeXT* into a virtual Macintosh* workstation. - Runs your Macintosh* software as fast as a high-end Mac - Easy installation and setup FLEXIBLE - Opens a new world of software - Exchanges data with other Macintosh* Computers - Provides networking connectivity COMAPTIBLE - Runs System 7.1 out-of-the box - Works with multiple Applications, System Extensions and Control Panels at the same time - Uses existing Macintosh* device drivers - Supports CD-ROM's, Removables, Opticals and Scanners - Supports Ethernet and the Serial Ports (Modems, Printers) - Supports 1.4 MB Floppys, and the NeXT Laser Printer (see T43 in the Q&A) Daydream lets you run the Apple* Macintosh* System 7* on your black NeXT* computer. It opens a new world of applications, utilities and solutions - the world of the Macintosh* software. Use your existing NeXT* hardware to discover and take advantage of what Mac programmers have created for the Macintosh*. Take advantage of thousands of soft- and hardware products, and use your NeXT* as a high performance workstation. The approach of Daydream is radical: It converts your hardware into a virtual Macintosh* workstation, booting System 7.1* right out of the box. No need of patching system software, no need of patching applications, just use it as your new Mac*, and install your software as usual. It's not only for Macintosh* software, we support your hardware, too: Connect external hard disk drives, removables, opticals, CD ROM's or scanners to your NeXT* running Daydream. Use modems and printers. And: Daydream uses existing Macintosh* device driver software to make existing pheriperals work. There is no need of re-writing software: In the world of the Macintosh* it's already done for you... Daydream is the ultimate way to take the best of both worlds. Double the potential of your existing hardware! A tour with Daydream -------------------- Daydream consists of an external ROM-Box containing original Apple* ROM Chips, and a set of disks. You install Daydream just like any other NeXT* Application with a few mouse-clicks. Then, you start Daydream with the NEXTSTEP*-based Starter Application. Your hardware will reboot with Daydream and System 7* as operating system. The 'Happy Mac' appears and soon you'll find yourself in the Finder*. Now it looks like a Mac. The easiest way to test some applications is to attach a Macintosh*-formatted hard disk to your computer - no re-configuration or installation needed. Also, run the software directly from another Mac* using the network. Of course, you can still install your software from floppy disks. If your software works on a Macintosh LC*, chances are very good it will also run with Daydream. Not only INIT's and other drivers work in general, even international System Software, like Korean or Arabic versions, work with Daydream. REQUIREMENTS - black NeXT Computer (030/040 based) - 8 MB RAM - 20 MB Hard Disk recommended - Apple* Macintosh* System 7.1 (to be purchased separately) You should get a localized version of the system software from a local Apple Dealer. - NEXTSTEP* 3.x highly recommended INCLUDES - Daydream Software - ROM Box with Apple* ROM's installed - Minimal System 7.1 - Detailed Manual _____________________________________________________________________ * corresponds to (R) or (TM) NeXT and NEXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT, Inc. Apple, the Apple Logo, Macintosh, Mac, System 7 and Finder are trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc. All other trademarks mentioned belong to their respective holders. Mention of non-QUIX products is for informational purposes and constitutes neither an endorsement nor a recommendation. Specifications subject to change without notice. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ Daydream Q&A V1.4 Daydream version: B55 _____________________________________________________________________ T1 Q: What Version of Macintosh* System Software can I use? A: System 7.1 is needed for Daydream. T3 Q: Can I use my existing hard disk drive? A: Yes. No additional hardware is needed. T4 Q: Do I need to re-partition my hard disk? A: No. Daydream does not require re-partitioning or even formatting your hard disk. The Macintosh* 'hard disk' is stored in a file on your NeXT* hard disk. T6 Q: Can I run NEXTSTEP* and Daydream concurrently? A: No, you will have to reboot. T7 Q: Do I need to start NEXTSTEP* in order to start Daydream? A: You usually will, but you can take a shortcut and enter Daydream directly, if you want. T8 Q: How fast is Daydream? A: Daydream delivers the full potential of your hardware to your software. It runs as fast as a high-end Macintosh*, like a Quadra 900 or 950. The older 030 cubes are not as fast, but comparable to a Mac IIci. A IIci is still used to run DTP software today - they're fast! T10 Q: How long does it take to install Daydream and get running? A: The installation process is simple and takes about ten minutes. T11 Q: Can I read Apple* Macintosh* formatted Floppy Disks? A: Yes, you can read, write and format Macintosh* 1.44 MB Diskettes, like every Macintosh*. The older 800k format is not supported by the NeXT* hardware, so Daydream can't help with these. T13 Q: Can I read PC-formatted Floppy Disks? A: With third-party software, you can. PC Exchange* from Apple*, for example, works fine. T15 Q: Can I attach a Macintosh*-formatted Hard disk to my NeXT*? A: Yes, this works fine! T16 Q: Do I need to buy an Apple* Laser Printer? A: No. Use your existing black Laser Printer. Although the driver that ships with this version of Daydream is a developement version and will not work with some installations, a fully operating driver is not far away. We'll keep customers updated. T17 Q: Can I add INITs (System Extensions) and CDEVs (Control Panels) to my System Folder? A: Yes. Unless the thing you want to add is an complete hack, it will work. We've seen Daydream running more than 30 INIT's at the same time - the same collection did not work on a Quadra 950*. T18 Q: Can I connect a modem to my NeXT* running Daydream? A: Yes! You can attach serial printers, too! ( e.g. a Stylewriter* II) T20 Q: How compatible is Daydream compared with a Macintosh*? A: It's about as compatible as a Quadra 900* or 950*, what means that Daydream is very, very compatible. It's even compatible with a lot of software that does not adhere to Apple's programming specifications. T21 Q: Do I have a Mac* with Daydream? A: Daydream demonstrations were sometimes suspected of having an additional Mac* built into the enclosure of the NeXT* Computer. T22 Q: What technology is behind Daydream? A: QUIX engineers rewrote some parts of the Apple* Macintosh* Operating System in order to get it work on the NeXT* Hardware. The nature of the black hardware is 'of a different color' compared with Apple* Hardware, which means that nothing fits without modifications. Almost all hardware-dependent parts of the Mac* Operating System have been rewritten for the NeXT* hardware. T25 Q: Can I attach a SyQuest* removable or an optical drive? What kind of SCSI-Devices can I attach? A: Yes. You can attach Removables, Optials, Harddisks, CD-ROM's, Scanners, SCSI-Printers and a lot of other SCSI-devices. It's almost a standard Macintosh* SCSI Port, and due to the excellent NeXT*- Hardware, it's fast. T26 Q: Do I need special drivers for SCSI devices? No. Daydream is like a Mac. Use the Macintosh* driver that came with your pheripheral. If you don't have the a driver for your pheripheral, contact QUIX, we may have one. T27 Q: I have a 2.88 MB SCSI Floppy drive attached to my NeXT*. Can I use it? A: Not at this time. QUIX will build a driver into Daydream which talks to this device, but we would also like to make sure that the format we create will be compatible with a possible future Apple* 2.88 MB format. T28 Q: There is a file server built into Apple's System 7*. Does it work? A: Yes, you can publish you disk drives with this built-in System 7* Fileserver, and other users will be able to access your files after entering a password. NEXTSTEP* 3.0 useres with Appletalk* can access it, too. T29 Q: Can I use existing network resources with Daydream? A: Yes, you have full access to your Network, with all the capabilities of a Macintosh*: For example, you have a built-in fileserver which lets other NeXT* computers and Macintosh* computers use your files. Or you can access other file servers. You can also access Postscript* Printers in the network, run networking applications like databases, and much more. The Macintosh* is well known for its connectivity. T31 Q: Can I run networked applications on Daydream? A: Yes, they think they're on a Macintosh* and you won't see any difference. Examples of networked Applications are databases, like Filemaker* from Claris. T34 Q: On what hardware and with what software did you write this Q&A? A: On a 030 Cube, with Quark* Xpress*. I'll later copy&paste it into an AppleLink* document to send it as an E-mail. We have installed AppleLink* on a Turbo Station. T36 Q: When Mac System 7.2 comes out (or 8.0) can I upgrade the OS so I can use the system to its full capacity? What about System 7 PRO? A: We don't know what Apple* is going to do in their future System releases, so there is no guarantee that it will work with the current version of Daydream. On the other hand, Daydream was developed with System 7.01*, and worked with only one bug with System 7.1*. (The bug disabled Ethernet access. It's fixed now.) Concluding, Daydream does not depend on ONE particular version of the System File, but we don't know what the future will bring. With System 7 PRO, for example, we'll need to modify the Ethernet driver again. The rest works. T37 Q: Your Ad says Daydream runs (almost) all Macintosh* Applications. Is this merely a disclaimer or do you have a list of working programs? A: It's a disclaimer. We don't have a list of working programs (would be too long), and there are very few incompatibilities with this version of Daydream. Here are the known problems after testing more than 3 GB of software: ->> Apple's DiskCopy* does not work, because it goes directly to the Apple* Disk Controller Chip. Actually, going to the hardware directly is not allowed in the Mac OS. ->> Retrospect and DAT or Tape software in general. This is due to the different SCSI hardware in the NeXT* Computer. The current Version also has a bug which displays false colors in Adobe Photoshop* and Illustrator* on Computers with Color Monitors. We hope to fix this shortly after the first release. We don't know about any other software that does not work, and we are using Daydream for more than six months now, testing all the Software we can reach (more than 450 Applications). If you have a question concerning one particular piece of software, please send us an E-Mail. The bug which prevented NowMenus to display a menu is fixed because Daydream now displays the Apple* Logo in the upper left corner of the menu bar. T43 Q: Can you print to a NeXT laser? A: Ahh - yes: There is a beta-version of the NeXT* Laser Printer Driver shipping, although this driver is not finished and will not work on some configurations. This piece of software is a though one, and the driver is shipped to show the progress. It will still take about two months till it's finished. T44 Q: Is the NeXTdimension* supported? A: Not in this first release. We're working on it. T45 Q: What are your development priorities? A: 1) Color Fix for Photoshop* & Illustrator* 2) Printing support 3) NeXTdimension* support Non-priorities: Sound input/output, MIDI T50 Current Limitations: Here are the limitations for the currently shipping version of Daydream: - Does not support ADB* Keyboard and Mouse - Does not support the NeXTdimension* Video board - Provides limited support for the NeXT* laser printer - 'Color Bug' on Color [Turbo] Stations - No Sound T51 General Limitations: The following limitations are unlikely to be removed; most are caused by the NeXT* hardware: - No 800 k Floppy support - No NuBus* support - No LocalTalk* support _____________________________________________________________________ * corresponds to (R) or (TM) NeXT and NEXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT, Inc. Apple, the Apple Logo, Macintosh, Mac, Macintosh Quadra 900, Macintosh Quadra 950, Macintosh LC, System 7, Personal Filesharing, AppleShare, Appletalk, EtherTalk, AppleLink, PC Exchange and Apple Disk Copy are trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc. Postscript, Illustrator and Photoshop are trademarks of Adobe Systems, Inc. SoftPC is a trademark of Insignia Solutions, Inc. Filemaker is a trademark of Claris Corporation. Microsoft Word is a trademark of Microsoft Corporation. Executor is a trademark of Abacus Research and Development. Xpress is a trademark of Quark, Inc. 4th Dimension is a trademark of Acius, Inc. Now Menus and Now Utilities are trademarks of Now Software, Inc. Timbuktu is a trademark of Farallon Computing, Inc. HP, LaserJet and DeskWriter are trademarks of Hewlett-Packard Co. NuBus is a trademark of Texas Instruments. All other trademarks mentioned belong to their respective holders. Mention of non-QUIX products is for informational purposes and constitutes neither an endorsement nor a recommendation. Specifications subject to change without notice. _____________________________________________________________________ PRICING & ORDERING INFORMATION ------------------------------ For quantities above 5, please apply for special conditions. Below is the pricing valid till APRIL 1, 1994. Prices exclude local sales taxes / VAT applicable in some countries. (No additional taxes apply for the U.S.) PrePay Orders ------------- PrePay US$755.--(U.S.) DM1399.--(Germany) sFr1149.--(Switzerland) HOW TO ORDER: Please send us a FAX (not e-mail!) with your order, listing: - the quantity of Daydream packages - the shipping address (no P.O. Boxes possible) - your Fax & Phone Numbers, and your E-mail address We will in turn send you an invoice, and also list the shipping date for your order. Credit Card Orders: ------------------- American Express: US$795.-- MasterCard&Visa: sFr1192.-- MasterCard and Visa can't process US$ and other currencies, only Swiss Francs. The price in sFr is chosen to match the US$795 tag as close as possible. Credit cards are charged the same day the product ships. HOW TO ORDER: Please send us a FAX with your order. NEVER SEND E-MAIL WITH CREDIT CARD NUMBERS. E-mail is as public as a postcard, or even worse. Think of how many System Administrators could read your message! On the FAX with your order, we need: - the quantity of Daydream packages - the shipping address (no P.O. Boxes possible) - Your Fax & Phone Numbers, and your E-mail address - Your Credit Card Type, Number and EXPIRATION DATE. - Your Signature. We will ship the products as soon as possible. USER GROUPS ----------- Special conditions apply for User Groups. Please send a fax or e-mail. SHIPPING -------- Federal Express shipping is included for the U.S., Japan, Taiwan and Australia. Additional charges may apply for other countries. In Europe, standard shipping is included. ALREADY PLACED ORDERS --------------------- If you have placed an order more than three weeks ago, we'll contact you during the next days to confirm the order. UPGRADES & WARRANTY ------------------- Upgrades are free during the first 6 months if the registration card has been sent in. QUIX offers a 6 months limited warranty on the hardware of Daydream. The full warranty specifications are available on request. -- ************************************************************ * Lars-Ulrich Kahl Tel/FAX:02304/78430 lars@odin.swb.de * * Am Elsebad 36 58239 Schwerte-Ergste NeXT-Mail please!*
From: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The incredibly non-shrinking swap-file Message-ID: <794@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: 8 Apr 94 17:34:25 GMT References: <1994Apr8.112540.4121@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Maartensdijk, The Netherlands In article <1994Apr8.112540.4121@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: [ ... discussion about other shortcomings of NeXTSTEP deleted ... ] > - The alleged swap space leakage has been thoroughly explained by a NeXT > engineer recently. It is neither a leak nor a bug, but rather an > implicit limitation of a sequential file system (you cannot "shrink" a > file even if it has large holes in it, as long as there is something at > the end of the file). Well, they really take the (too) easy way out here, then. Remember that we are talking about the SWAP file here - anything that's in there is in there because it can't be in memory. The solution to this problem would of course be to swap in the memory blocks that take up the last bytes of the swap file, free these blocks in the swap file and shrink it - no big deal. If something has to be swapped out to get room to swap those blocks in, just allocate them to one of the holes in the middle of the file. Look ma - no hands :-) > -- > Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) > > Still the same boring old signature... -- Toon Moene (toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl) Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands Phone: +31 3461 4290; Fax: +31 3461 4286 No Disclaimer: I claim, therefore I am.
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: NS/FIP 3.2 can't read Mac disk. Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 9 Apr 1994 08:11:00 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2o5nuk$5ui@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2nr1bs$k5i@news.iastate.edu> <CnsJBp.Kxx@cunews.carleton.ca> In article <CnsJBp.Kxx@cunews.carleton.ca> csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: >NeXTSTEP will only read High Density (HD) 1.4MB Mac floppies. 720K double >densities will not work. When you try to mount a 720K, NS will say its >not initialized, and ask you if you want to format it. 720K Mac diskettes *do* work. I just tried it. Well, actually, it didn't work the first time: the machine churned for a bit and spit the disk out. "That's not supposed to happen!" So I called up the Console window: Disk is Write Protected probing for CDROM probing for DOS /usr/filesystems/mac.fs/mac.name: Permission denied /usr/filesystems/mac.fs/mac.label: Permission denied probing for mac ... kern_loader: kern_loader: Link failed ... kern_loader: kern_loader: Link failed ... kern_loader: kern_loader: server macfs won't link ... kern_loader: kern_loader: server macfs won't link Not good. Here's what's happened: the machine I used (a NeXTstation) is a NetBoot client, which doesn't have root access to / (for damn good reason!). It was trying to scribble in /usr/filesystems/mac.fs--a BIG no-no. So I logged into the server as root and did # cd /usr/filesystems/mac.fs # ln -s /etc/mac.name . # ln -s /etc/mac.label . # ln -s /etc/macfs_loadable . (This way the different clients couldn't clobber each other's files.) THEN I could read 720K Mac floppies. [I'm crossposting this to comp.sys.next.bugs, since NeXT did screw up ever so slightly.] [Ob. FAQ reminder: you _did_ install the "720K Floppy Disk Formatter" extension on your Mac, right? If so, when you initialize a DD floppy you're offered a choice between "Macintosh 800K" and "Macintosh HFS Interchange Format." You need to select the latter. If you see buttons titled "One-Sided" and "Two-Sided," find a copy of System Update 2.0.1. If you don't have one, it's available for anonymous FTP from ftp.apple.com in dts/mac/sys.soft/7.system.updates/. You will need a blank HD floppy for this.] -=EPS=-
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 18:56:17 PDT Message-ID: <1994Apr09.015617.5069@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: no more processes References: <1994Apr8.112540.4121@qb.rhein-main.de> From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) > - The alleged swap space leakage has been thoroughly > explained by a NeXT engineer recently. It is neither a > leak nor a bug, but rather an implicit limitation of a > sequential file system (you cannot "shrink" a file even > if it has large holes in it, as long as there is something > at the end of the file). Still pretty lame...blaming sequential files! A smart paging system could easily remap the stuff at the end into one of the holes. --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 18:57:07 PDT Message-ID: <1994Apr09.015707.5076@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Serial port hardware/drivers for NSI? References: <next2.765579544@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> From: next2@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) > Don't ask. Just use Mark Salyzyn's Mux driver as a > replacement for NeXT's serial driver. Available on major > ftp sites (cs.orst.edu, ftp.uni-stuttgart.de, > ftp.informatiok.uni-muenchen.de, ...). Works like charm! I use it, too, and it does seem a great improvement in throughput. Be forewarned, however, that I have also experienced a couple panics since installing it. (Nothing like the old NeXT driver, but still a little disconcerting.) --- NeXTMail:Peter_Kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ISO LATIN 1 with Pine anyone? Date: 9 Apr 1994 16:47:29 GMT Organization: UniNett Distribution: world Message-ID: <2o6m71$ac3@ratatosk.uninett.no> ISO LATIN 1 with Pine anyone? I'm using PINE for MIME compatibility on my NeXT Cube Dimension. BUT - There's a real problem with European characters. Has anyone inplemented the ISO LATIN 1 character set on the NeXT? - Barre -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barre Ludvigsen - Ostfold Regional College- N-1750 HALDEN - Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- vox:+4769185400/home+4769341922/direct+4769185577ext219fax:+4769185485 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <A HREF="http://www.ludvigsen.dhhalden.no">Come and visit.</A>
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Daydream Mac box Date: 9 Apr 1994 11:21:41 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <2o6rnl$n4s@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1994Apr7.051604.4603@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <2o0ttb$gff@jake.micromuse.co.uk> I've got my eye on it also but $600 still seems a bit much considering Apples PowerPC thingy. I'd really like to know why it doesn't support MIDI. After all, its only a little Din-8 connecter. I realize port A has some voltage but what about port B? maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: trebels@orpheus.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: Re: Help: How to get 4600 Internet-tiffs in the NewsGrazzer and Mail.app Message-ID: <W4NNB3IW@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1994Apr8.110540.655@rafa.in-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 18:30:53 GMT Ralf Neumann (ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de) wrote: > Hello, > I have about 4600 pictures from the Internet for [problem with argument lists munched] > The contens of the makemailpic is > #!/bin/sh > echo "# aliases file for Internet Format" >>aliases > /bin/ls -1 *.tiff | sed 's/.tiff$//; h; s/\./@/; G; s/\n/: /'>>aliases > echo "# passwd file" >>passwd > /bin/ls -1 *.tiff | sed 's/.tiff$/::10000::.:noshell/;' >>passwd How about changing ls -1 *.tiff | sed bla bla to find . -name '*.tiff' -print | sed bla bla
From: jdawson@sashimi.wwa.com (Jerald W. Dawson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The incredibly non-shrinking swap-file Date: 9 Apr 1994 13:31:11 -0500 Organization: WorldWide Access - Chicago Area Internet Services 708-367-1871 Message-ID: <2o6s9f$r0b@sashimi.wwa.com> In article<794@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene) wrote: >Well, they really take the (too) easy way out here, then. Remember that we >are talking about the SWAP file here - anything that's in there is in >there because it can't be in memory. The solution to this problem would >of course be to swap in the memory blocks that take up the last bytes of >the swap file, free these blocks in the swap file and shrink it - no big >deal. If something has to be swapped out to get room to swap those >blocks in, just allocate them to one of the holes in the middle of the file. I've always got to laugh when I hear people saying something like this. It makes me realize that they obviously aren't programmers. Nothing is ever "easy" when you are talking about changing something in software that is already released. One small change and you find out you've broken a hundred other things. You have no idea how complex the VM system in NS is. How do you know that it would be a easy fix... Sorry, I just had to say something about it. --- ___jerald dawson * Head Programmer * Investors Advantage / MRK ___NeXTMail - jerald@mrk.com | ___Phone - (708) 487-3221 | Don't blame me. I voted for Bush! ___Fax - (708) 526-3635 |
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Command line Mail notifcation Date: 9 Apr 1994 19:37:30 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404100035.AA18753@alleg.EDU> Having been using a shell-only login for the last few days, I realized what a pain it is to not be able to be notified of new mail as with Mail.app or MailCall. I figured there had to be a simple answer, and after I found 'biff' I thought that was it. I set biff y and sent myself a message to test it out. Nothing. This might be do to the fact that mail delivered to a central machine rather than to each NeXT here. Ok, fine. I'll try something else, I thought. Why not just 'tail -f /usr/spool/mail/<username>' ? That did not seem to work either. I realize that this is more a mail orientated quesstion than NeXT, but it is, for me, NeXT specific, so I thought I would ask other NeXT users how they handled this problem, or if I was the only one who experienced any difficulties here. Any suggestions gladly accepted by post or email. thanks again, Tim Luoma <luomat@alleg.edu>
From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SLIP/PPP Software Date: 10 Apr 1994 01:02:14 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2o7j6m$cd4@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Any advice on software for SLIP and/or PPP connections...either commercial or in the public domain....hopefully something that's not a nightmare to configure? Please e-mail to romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Thanks. JB.
From: d91-elu@dront.nada.kth.se (Erik Lundström) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT logo as eps? Date: 10 Apr 1994 01:01:35 GMT Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Distribution: world Message-ID: <2o7j5f$nkk@news.kth.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Where can I find a NeXT logo (the cube) as a postscript-file (.ps/.eps)?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.hnv.icem.de(Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: Help: Disable power button on NeXT Hardware Message-ID: <Co0nw6.CB@euler.hnv.icem.de> Sender: js@euler.hnv.icem.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <2o49ub$rg9@batman.tamu.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 23:57:42 GMT In article <2o49ub$rg9@batman.tamu.edu> evans@batman.tamu.edu (Bryan D. Evans) writes: > > I am trying to disable the power button on several NeXTs in a lab, > but I am unable to find any information about this in our manuals. > We are running NeXTStep 3.0 on NeXT hardware. If you have any > information on this, please mail me at evans@batman.tamu.edu. Is it not sufficient to set the Turn computer on after power off feature supplied in Prefs? Juergen --- Juergen Sell E-Mail js@icem.de ( NeXTMail ok ) Deisterstr. 18 Fax ++49-511-440617 BRD 30449 Hannover Fon ++49-511-440688 == What time do we live in when all the word 'revolution' makes you think of == is a new generation of soap powder ?
From: byrd@nachste.star.harc.edu (Marc J. Byrd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStep/Intel, GUS, PAS16, Multi-Sound Recording Date: 9 Apr 1994 21:57:17 GMT Organization: Houston Advanced Research Center Distribution: world Message-ID: <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu> I'm seriously thinking about converting my 486DX2/66 to NeXTStep (NS), which I use on black hardware at work. I've seen the PAS16 listed as compatible with NS/intel, but how about GUS? Turtle Beach Multisound? Anyone done multi-track recording with NS/intel/PAS16? How is it? What extra software is needed? Does the MusicKit or an associated demo do multi-track? I'd really like something with an on-board DSP, to offload the CPU. Also, I might like to do some DSP level programming, as I've been considering wavelet methods of audio compression, generation, recording, etc. Does the Turtle Beach Multi-sound work on NS/intel? Any recommendations for computer-based near-professional quality multi-track recording? Part of the reason I'm considering this change is that DOS/Windoze is not multi-threading, so high quality multi-track recording is absolutely limited (this surmised from discussion with Turtle Beach tech.). NS has a lean/mean micro-kernel, unix-ish operating system, with an object-oriented GUI and native programing languate (Objective-C), with which I hope to do some object oriented music authoring. I had considered NT, but it's not nearly as mature as NS. I suppose I should consider OS/2, but I really like the NS object-oriented environment, objective-C toolkits, etc. -- Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu | Marc J. Byrd - byrd@harc.edu Rice University | Houston Advanced Research Center Dept of Elec & Comp Engr | 4800 Research Forest Drive Confocal Hologram Reconstruction | The Woodlands, TX 77381 -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P(%P*22=M('-E<FEO M=7-L>2!T:&EN:VEN9R!A8F]U="!C;VYV97)T:6YG(&UY(#0X-D18,B\V-B!T M;R!.95A44W1E<"`H3E,I+%P*=VAI8V@@22!U<V4@;VX@8FQA8VL@:&%R9'=A M<F4@870@=V]R:RX@($DG=F4@<V5E;B!T:&4@4$%3,38@;&ES=&5D7`IA<R!C M;VUP871I8FQE('=I=&@@3E,O:6YT96PL(&)U="!H;W<@86)O=70@1U53/R`@ M(%1U<G1L92!"96%C:"!-=6QT:7-O=6YD/UP*7`I!;GEO;F4@9&]N92!M=6QT M:2UT<F%C:R!R96-O<F1I;F<@=VET:"!.4R]I;G1E;"]005,Q-C\@($AO=R!I M<R!I=#]<"E=H870@97AT<F$@<V]F='=A<F4@:7,@;F5E9&5D/R`@1&]E<R!T M:&4@375S:6-+:70@;W(@86X@87-S;V-I871E9%P*9&5M;R!D;R!M=6QT:2UT M<F%C:S\@(%P*7`I))V0@<F5A;&QY(&QI:V4@<V]M971H:6YG('=I=&@@86X@ M;VXM8F]A<F0@1%-0+"!T;R!O9F9L;V%D('1H95P*0U!5+B`@06QS;RP@22!M M:6=H="!L:6ME('1O(&1O('-O;64@1%-0(&QE=F5L('!R;V=R86UM:6YG+"!A M<R!))W9E7`IB965N(&-O;G-I9&5R:6YG('=A=F5L970@;65T:&]D<R!O9B!A M=61I;R!C;VUP<F5S<VEO;BP@9V5N97)A=&EO;BQ<"G)E8V]R9&EN9RP@971C M+B`@1&]E<R!T:&4@5'5R=&QE($)E86-H($UU;'1I+7-O=6YD('=O<FL@;VX@ M3E,O:6YT96P_("!<"EP*06YY(')E8V]M;65N9&%T:6]N<R!F;W(@8V]M<'5T M97(M8F%S960@;F5A<BUP<F]F97-S:6]N86P@<75A;&ET>5P*;75L=&DM=')A M8VL@<F5C;W)D:6YG/UP*7`I087)T(&]F('1H92!R96%S;VX@22=M(&-O;G-I M9&5R:6YG('1H:7,@8VAA;F=E(&ES('1H870@1$]3+U=I;F1O>F5<"FES(&YO M="!M=6QT:2UT:')E861I;F<L('-O(&AI9V@@<75A;&ET>2!M=6QT:2UT<F%C M:R!R96-O<F1I;F<@:7,@86)S;VQU=&5L>5P*;&EM:71E9"`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`I<"BTM7`I-87)C($HN($)Y<F0@+2!B>7)D M0')I8V4N961U("`@("`@('P@($UA<F,@2BX@0GER9"`M(&)Y<F1`:&%R8RYE M9'5<"E)I8V4@56YI=F5R<VET>2`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@?"`@2&]U M<W1O;B!!9'9A;F-E9"!297-E87)C:"!#96YT97(@7`I$97!T(&]F($5L96,@ M)B!#;VUP($5N9W(@("`@("`@("`@('P@(#0X,#`@4F5S96%R8V@@1F]R97-T M($1R:79E(%P*0V]N9F]C86P@2&]L;V=R86T@4F5C;VYS=')U8W1I;VX@("!\ @("!4:&4@5V]O9&QA;F1S+"!46"`@-S<S.#$@7`H*?0IS `
From: jhj@daimi.aau.dk (Jens Hoerup Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Modem dialback for remote users? Date: 10 Apr 1994 08:17:56 GMT Organization: DAIMI, Computer Science Dept. at Aarhus University Message-ID: <2o8cnk$g0v@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Hi, I would like to have a dialback facillity for users, who call my NeXT, so that I pay their phonebills. Is there a standard script for dialing back? Thanks in advance -- Jens
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de (Ralf Neumann) Subject: Send me pictures for /LocalLibrary/images/People Message-ID: <1994Apr10.082639.2844@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de Organization: DRN Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 08:26:39 GMT Hallo, After I installed the faces.tar.Z from cs.orst. I am missing nearly everybody from the next newsgroup. I will be very happy to see who is writing so please send me small pictures by NeXT-email. But take care that they are really really small (hope not to get to much flames but sorry what's multimedia without medias ?-) and from the size not bigger than 64x64 pixels. Please remember: give it the correct name i.e.: fuuu@grgrgrg.bla.com must be fuu.grgrgrg.bla.com.tiff Thanks a lot in advance Ralf If I get enough together I will put them on an ftp-server and post where to get them or send them to Carl Edman who is moderating the faces library since a long time. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|*
From: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: no more processes Date: 10 Apr 1994 10:53:39 GMT Organization: Universites Paris VI/Paris VII - France Distribution: world Message-ID: <2o8lrj$9m8@vishnu.jussieu.fr> References: <whcnOIu00iV5Q_sPlU@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Really? I actively develop under NS 3.2, and I have yet to encounter a >crash or a noticable bug yet. I have had my machine stay up for over 2 >weeks at a time without problems (until a power failure shut my machine >down). Dunno... my article was just a summary of the responses I've received, as the title suggested. I have definitely received quite a few mails telling me that NS 3.2 is not much more reliable than 3.0 and 3.1 were. I can't judge by myself since the company which has sold us NS is now out of business, so I don't get updates. >> [munch] >> Now I find all the noise made about NS being the new-generation >> object-oriented microkernel-based [etc.] Unix quite pathetic. >Unfortunately for your flame, NS is based on Mach 2.5, which is >certainly not a microkernel and is not really object-oriented (although >it depends on one's definitions). Again, I just reproduced all the noise that NS generates. It seems that just every major Unix system vendor is bragging about NS being ported on their boxes now. Check the announces, the same marketing nonsense everywhere, the same buzzwords. I fully agree that NS did not bring anything quite new in terms of operating system design. Only a very well-designed user interface. >> This, among other things (broken telnetd, >What's wrong with it? I use telnet between 2 NeXT's continuously, and I >have not run into problems. Oh yes, if you only telnet between NeXT machines you won't likely get into problems. But you know, telnet is supposed to work with other machines too. NS telnetd definitely has problems talking to VMS UCX clients and I remember a recent article here reporting problems with another Unix box (I don't remember which one). When telnetting from a VMS UCX client, raw and cbreak modes aren't working at all. Yeah... VMS and UCX are lame, I know, but for some reason it works perfectly with all the other Unix boxes we have here (and we have quite a few), so I can hardly conclude it's VMS UCX telnet client which is broken. >> no decent automounter, >Again, what's wrong with it? I still have to figure out how to have the equivalent of a -hosts map using NS, i.e. having the filesystems exported by every new system we put on our network through /Net/hostname/... without having to muck with Netinfo every time. >> broken lock daemon, >And yet again, what's wrong with it? Last time I checked, it would hang a Solaris 2 client trying to lock a mail file on a NS NFS server. Yes, I tried with AIX, Ultrix, SunOS servers and lockd. It worked fine. >> swap space leakage...) >I would like to see this fixed too. Deal with it; I am not aware of any >Unix system with shared memory that does *not* leak swap space. The [...] Not like *that* ! Oh yes, SunOS does leak some swap space too, but not to the point that you have to reboot the system after every run of Splus handling somewhat large matrices, because the swap file has eaten up most of your 400 Mb free disk space. >Just MHO, >-Chuck Just mine as well. NS-bashing is not my favourite game, but in my everyday's life of Unix/VMS sysadmin having to deal with a large number of different systems, NS is a real pain. I agree that most end-users are fairly happy with its user interface, definitely happier than with Openwindows, AIX Desktop and such. But they also complain about the poor reliability. _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health Research Labs 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (*no* NeXTmail !) Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT logo as eps? Date: 10 Apr 1994 11:38:00 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2o8oeo$hce@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2o7j5f$nkk@news.kth.se> d91-elu@dront.nada.kth.se (Erik Lundstrvm) writes: >Where can I find a NeXT logo (the cube) as a postscript-file (.ps/.eps)? Fish around in cs.orst.edu or sonata.cc.purdue.edu, /pub/next/graphics or something. I recall seeing such a file there. (Haven't explored informatik.uni-muenchen.de enough, else I'd give you a European pointer) Chers, -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
From: ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT logo as eps? Date: 10 Apr 1994 11:48:00 GMT Organization: Academic Computing Services, Sheffield University Message-ID: <2o8p1g$orf@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <2o7j5f$nkk@news.kth.se> <2o8oeo$hce@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> : >Where can I find a NeXT logo (the cube) as a postscript-file (.ps/.eps)? : This should do it: %!PS-Adobe-3.0 EPSF-3.0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 70 70 0.4 setlinewidth 1 setgray % % fill box black % % gsave newpath 14.96 0.9075 moveto 0.103 28.8195 lineto 2.827 46.2235 lineto 3.003 47.6385 lineto 34.558 64.4415 lineto 51.397 32.8165 lineto 50.902 31.5785 lineto 45.171 15.8005 lineto 15.597 0.0585 lineto closepath 0 setgray fill % grestore % % Outline % 1 setgray gsave newpath 14.96 0.9075 moveto 0.103 28.8195 lineto 2.827 46.2235 lineto 3.003 47.6385 lineto 34.558 64.4415 lineto 51.397 32.8165 lineto 50.902 31.5785 lineto 45.171 15.8005 lineto 15.597 0.0585 lineto closepath stroke grestore % % top face % 51.397 32.8165 moveto 19.807 16.0485 lineto 3.003 47.6385 lineto stroke % % left side % 19.807 16.0485 moveto 16 0.9075 lineto stroke % % "N" % 1 .125 0 setrgbcolor newpath 16.481 52.8035 moveto 18.179 53.6875 lineto 25.467 39.9975 lineto 9.725 43.9955 lineto 14.677 34.6915 lineto 12.767 33.7005 lineto 5.621 47.1085 lineto 21.646 43.0395 lineto % 16.481 52.8035 lineto closepath fill % % "e" % 1 1 0 setrgbcolor newpath 37.473 55.1455 moveto 35.53 59.0425 30.596 60.6925 26.74 58.6405 curveto 23.026 56.6595 21.434 51.6715 23.45 47.8865 curveto 25.467 44.1015 30.349 42.4735 34.204 44.4905 curveto 37.211 46.0825 38.697 49.2655 38.379 52.3795 curveto 36.398 52.2025 lineto 36.751 49.7965 35.619 47.3205 33.355 46.1175 curveto 30.632 44.6675 26.811 45.9765 25.361 48.6995 curveto 37.473 55.1455 lineto closepath fill 0 setgray % % hole in "e" % newpath 27.519 57.1195 moveto 25.113 55.8105 23.946 52.6265 24.618 50.3625 curveto 34.664 55.7045 lineto 34.664 55.7045 lineto 33.073 57.6855 29.924 58.3575 27.519 57.1195 curveto closepath fill 0 1 0 setrgbcolor % % "X" % newpath 19.984 19.1965 moveto 21.894 18.6665 lineto 24.476 27.4045 lineto 33.462 24.8215 lineto 33.992 26.7315 lineto 25.007 29.3145 lineto 27.483 37.8045 lineto 25.573 38.3345 lineto 23.097 29.8445 lineto 14.288 32.3915 lineto 13.722 30.4815 lineto 22.566 27.9345 lineto 19.984 19.1965 lineto closepath fill % % "T" % 1 0 1 setrgbcolor newpath 41.669 46.5425 moveto 28.403 39.5375 lineto 29.252 37.9105 lineto 35.053 40.9885 lineto 41.244 29.3855 lineto 42.978 30.3045 lineto 36.787 41.9075 lineto 42.518 44.9505 lineto 41.669 46.5425 lineto closepath fill %%EOF Can't remember where I got it from, I'm afraid... Have fun, mmalcolm
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT logo as eps? (long-ish) Date: 10 Apr 1994 07:18:27 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <940410131653.487AACUE.malc@jeeves> Oh well, since this is misc... > Where can I find a NeXT logo (the cube) as a postscript-file (.ps/.eps)? > See my previous post for the "original" "code": note that you'll probably have to ask NeXT very sweetly if you want to be able to use it anywhere, though. It's not clear to me just how far the trademark limitations extend, though. The following are: (1) a logo I created for the UK-NEXTSTEP User Group newsletter (2) a SUN-style cube, and (3) an OPEN cube [ Yap's a great drawing tool! :-) ] I presume these are all OK (nobody's said anything to me about them in the UK, and a number of NeXT people have copies of the newsletter...) 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kieffer@gemstone.com (Robert W. Kieffer) Subject: Re: business card weight stock for laser printing? Message-ID: <Cnzz5t.8wq@gemstone.com> Sender: kieffer@gemstone.com (Robert W. Kieffer) Organization: Gemstone Systems, Inc. References: <2nun0s$8jk@news.nd.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 15:03:28 GMT In article <2nun0s$8jk@news.nd.edu> gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu (George B. Ross) writes: > Hey there, > I would like to print up a few business cards. My problem > is, where can I get some business card weight stock that I > can print on with a regular laser printer? Full 8.5x11 inch > sheets are fine, with perforations for separating would be > great. Also, is there anything like this for color printers > (yeah, wishful thinking)? > Thanks... > -george > George B. Ross_____NeXTmail welcome_________gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu > Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering_______University of Notre Dame Time out! As I discovered the hard way, there is a real problem with laser printing business cards: If whoever you give them to sticks them in their wallet in the plastic card holders most wallets have then the toner comes off on the plastic. Now, while I'm sure this is a good way to get yourself remembered, I'm not sure it's the kind of impression you want to make. For a good quality, low-budget, card just do the artwork on your NeXT (Draw.app or something... I used Virtuoso), print it out, and take it down to Kinko's. They'll do a set of 500 cards for ~$35 plus a $2 charge for scanning in the artwork. If you want to knock a few dollars off, just do 250 cards. This should be < $30. A quick tip for the artwork: Don't draw the actual border of the card. Instead, just put a couple of tick marks about 1/8" - 1/4" outside of where the boundaries are to help give the print shop something to align on. (they may not even use these for all I know but it's easy enough to do) --- Robert Kieffer - kieffer@gemstone.com - NeXTMail welcome Gemstone Systems, Inc. 19616 Redbeam Ave. Torrance, CA 90503
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Virus of the Mind Message-ID: <1994Apr10.102657.3217@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 10:26:57 GMT In article <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu> byrd@harc.edu writes: >NS has a lean/mean micro-kernel, [...] How come this mis-conception is still doing the rounds? Is someone at NeXT still pumping it out? It'd be interesting to plot the spread of the idea plus it's converse on a big map. Every time someone with the idea meets somone who knows that NS has a big old macro-kernel, they get converted. It should have died out years ago. Dave Griffiths
From: tazzzzz@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Kevin Dangoor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep/Intel, GUS, PAS16, Multi-Sound Recording Date: 10 Apr 1994 14:27:36 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Message-ID: <2o92co$853@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu> In article <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu>, Marc J. Byrd <byrd@harc.edu> wrote: >Part of the reason I'm considering this change is that DOS/Windoze >is not multi-threading, so high quality multi-track recording is >absolutely >limited (this surmised from discussion with Turtle Beach tech.). Actually, Software Audio Workshop from Innovative Quality Software does 4 track stereo record/playback/editing. (Well, TB cards can only record one stereo track at a time, but SAW mixes the four in real time.) If you can get ahold of a copy of the Feb '94 issue of Mix magazine, there is a review of SAW. The author repeatedly said it's really fast. E-mail me if you'd like me to dig up IQS' number. They're also on CI$ in MIDI Vendor C forum (go midicven) Kevin (Not an IQS employee... in fact, not even a customer yet. Just passing on what I know :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: D.B.Tischenko@.TWI.TUDelft.NL (Dimitri Tischenko) Subject: Re: NeXT FTP Sites... Message-ID: <Co1ryI.5BG@news.tudelft.nl> Sender: news@news.tudelft.nl (UseNet News System) Organization: Delft University of Technology References: <9404051419.AA11538@alleg.EDU> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 14:23:06 GMT In article <9404051419.AA11538@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: .. > Anyone else have a suggestion of an FTP site not on the above list? > > > Tim > --- > Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) > Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola > MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO > No Root access, no super-user access the main Dutch NeXT-related ftp site: ftp.stack.urc.tue.nl Dimitri NiNe, the Dutch NEXTSTEP user group -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dimitri Tischenko | D.B.Tischenko@TWI.TUDelft.NL | NeXTmail preferred! | +------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Delft University of Technology | Technische Universiteit Delft | | Fac Applied Math & Computer Science| Fac. Techn. Wiskunde & Informatica| | The Netherlands | Nederland |
From: mgrice@iastate.edu (Matthew B Grice) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep/Intel, GUS, PAS16, Multi-Sound Recording Date: 10 Apr 94 15:01:54 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Message-ID: <mgrice.765990114@pv1423.vincent.iastate.edu> References: <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu> In <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu> byrd@nachste.star.harc.edu (Marc J. Byrd) writes: >I'm seriously thinking about converting my 486DX2/66 to NeXTStep >(NS), >which I use on black hardware at work. I've seen the PAS16 listed >as compatible with NS/intel, but how about GUS? Turtle Beach >Multisound? PAS-16 is the only card that NeXTStep supports. You may be able to get 8-bit SB drivers. If you have the right card, chances are about 50/50 that it will work with NS no matter what you do. -- Matthew B Grice mgrice@iastate.edu
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: no more processes Date: 10 Apr 1994 15:29:35 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2o960v$c9e@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <whcnOIu00iV5Q_sPlU@andrew.cmu.edu> <2o8lrj$9m8@vishnu.jussieu.fr> In article <2o8lrj$9m8@vishnu.jussieu.fr>, Alain Fauconnet <af@biomath.jussieu.fr> wrote: > >Oh yes, if you only telnet between NeXT machines you won't likely get >into problems. But you know, telnet is supposed to work with other >machines too. NS telnetd definitely has problems talking to VMS UCX >clients and I remember a recent article here reporting problems with >another Unix box (I don't remember which one). When telnetting from a >VMS UCX client, raw and cbreak modes aren't working at all. Yeah... VMS >and UCX are lame, I know, but for some reason it works perfectly with >all the other Unix boxes we have here (and we have quite a few), so I >can hardly conclude it's VMS UCX telnet client which is broken. > > ..... >Just mine as well. NS-bashing is not my favourite game, but in my >everyday's life of Unix/VMS sysadmin having to deal with a large number >of different systems, NS is a real pain. I agree that most end-users are >fairly happy with its user interface, definitely happier than with >Openwindows, AIX Desktop and such. But they also complain about the poor >reliability. UCX 2.0x is completely lame from the telnet point of view. Anything other than 2.0D is a complete waste of time. We have many VMS systems around here too and the only problem is between VMS/UCX and Next. VMS/CMU or VMS/TGV (or just about anything around here that has a telnet client/server, including various terminal servers) and NeXT is fine. You might want to dicuss your problems in vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx. One or two Dec developers of UCX hang around there and sources of reliable information. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: jgross@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joe Gross) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: Disable power button on NeXT Hardware Date: 10 Apr 1994 15:55:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2o97i7$qf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2o49ub$rg9@batman.tamu.edu> evans@batman.tamu.edu (Bryan D. Evans) writes: >I am trying to disable the power button on several NeXTs in a lab, >but I am unable to find any information about this in our manuals. >We are running NeXTStep 3.0 on NeXT hardware. If you have any >information on this, please mail me at evans@batman.tamu.edu. I use these two dwrites: GLOBAL PowerOffDisabled true LoginWindow PowerOffDisabled True seems to work for me. of course, they can always do it from rom monitor but that involves pressing more than just the power key. -- Joe Gross | A computer terminal is not some clunky old television | jgross@uiuc.edu | with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface | U of Illinois | where the mind and body can connect with the universe | NeXTmail welcome | and move bits of it about. --D. Adams, Mostly Harmless |
From: mmieszko@ac.dal.ca (Marek Roland-Mieszkowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ** PRESS RELEASE: Sound for NeXTSTEP ** Message-ID: <1994Apr10.121951.22893@dal1> Date: 10 Apr 94 12:19:51 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada PRESS RELEASE ****************** April 08, 1994 DFG (Digital Function Generator) Software 3.2 for NeXTSTEP Computers ******************************************************************** DFG (Digital Function Generator) Software 3.2 is a powerful tool for generation of arbitrary sounds and has many applications in the fields of acoustics, audio, music, psychoacoustics, physics, architecture, film, audiology, electronics, electroacoustics, mechanics, vibration measurements and transducer testing. Since DFG does not use DSP resources (Motorola 56001 chip) and since it uses only 2 -> 3% of the CPU time, it can run simultaneously with such applications as the Digital Oscilloscope and Spectrum Analyzer (both applications are available on NeXT). Therefore, a single NeXT computer can be used to perform sophisticated tests and experiments, since it can synthesize and analyze signals at the same time. DFG_demo.app Version 3.2 is working on all Motorola and Intel - based NeXTSTEP computers with NeXTSTEP versions 2.* => 3.* . Soon DFG will be available also for Sun and HP computers running NeXTSTEP. Intel - based computers require NeXTSTEP - supported 16 bit D/A convertors to use DFG software. DFG_demo.app software is available as DFG_demo.tar.Z file on the following archive sites: cs.orst.edu nova.cc.purdue.edu ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it ftp.next.com sonata.cc.purdue.edu For further information about DFG software please contact: _ _ _ _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| Marek Roland - Mieszkowski, M.Sc.,Ph.D. |_| |_| |_| _ _ _ DIGITAL RECORDINGS - Advanced R & D _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| 5959 Spring Garden Road, Suite 1103 |_| |_| |_| _ _ _ Halifax, Nova Scotia, B3H-1Y5, Canada _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| Tel./ Fax. (902) 429-9622 |_| |_| |_|
From: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The incredibly non-shrinking swap-file Message-ID: <795@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: 10 Apr 94 14:42:29 GMT References: <2o6s9f$r0b@sashimi.wwa.com> Sender: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Maartensdijk, The Netherlands In article <2o6s9f$r0b@sashimi.wwa.com> jdawson@sashimi.wwa.com (Jerald W. Dawson) writes: > In article<794@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon > Moene) wrote: [ ... On how to deal with the non-shrinking swap-file ... ] > I've always got to laugh when I hear people saying something like this. > It makes me realize that they obviously aren't programmers. Nothing is > ever "easy" when you are talking about changing something in software > that is already released. One small change and you find out you've > broken a hundred other things. You have no idea how complex the VM > system in NS is. How do you know that it would be a easy fix... > > Sorry, I just had to say something about it. Hmm, it's not clear to me why I'm 'obviously not a programmer'. Actually, I've been in operating system support for seven years (repairing - not writing - them). Nowadays I'm doing more interesting work (meteorological modelling), but I still remember those days (of non-disclosure access to source code of 'released' operating systems). Tricks like I describe are being pulled, so there's no a priori reason why it wouldn't work in NS. Of course, 'it being no big deal' depends a lot on how well organized the swap-in / swap-out code is ... -- Toon Moene (toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl) Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands Phone: +31 3461 4290; Fax: +31 3461 4286 No Disclaimer: I claim, therefore I am.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Command line Mail notifcation In-Reply-To: luomat@alleg.EDU's message of 9 Apr 1994 19:37:30 -0500 To: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Apr10105500@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <9404100035.AA18753@alleg.EDU> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 14:54:59 GMT In article <9404100035.AA18753@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) writes: Having been using a shell-only login for the last few days, I realized what a pain it is to not be able to be notified of new mail as with Mail.app or MailCall. I figured there had to be a simple answer, and after I found 'biff' I thought that was it. I set biff y and sent myself a message to test it out. Nothing. This might be do to the fact that mail delivered to a central machine rather than to each NeXT here. Yep, that is the reason. Why not just 'tail -f /usr/spool/mail/<username>' ? That did not seem to work either. Yes and if it did it would be rather inefficient in any case. I suggest you read the zsh** man page and search for the variable mailpath. Then add something like this to your ~/.zlogin: mailpath=( /usr/spool/mail/$USER ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox ) MAILCHECK=60 Then you shell will inform you whenever there is new mail. Carl Edman ** What ? You aren't using zsh yet ? Why not ?
From: william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virus of the Mind Date: 10 Apr 1994 19:37:10 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2o9kh6$oj8@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1994Apr10.102657.3217@prim.demon.co.uk> In article <1994Apr10.102657.3217@prim.demon.co.uk> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > In article <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu> byrd@harc.edu writes: > > >NS has a lean/mean micro-kernel, [...] > > How come this mis-conception is still doing the rounds? Because the vast majority of people, even the vast majority of N/S users, don't really understand what the words "lean/mean micro-kernel" (used to) mean. At this point, the words "micro-kernel" are the computer equivalent of "Corinthian Leather"-- fodder for rather silly comparisons/ads *and* almost completely meaningless. Bill Grosso
From: gregd@camtwh.eric.on.ca (Greg Dee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SCSI FRAME GRABBER? Date: 10 Apr 1994 17:46:23 -0400 Organization: Eye Research Inst. of Canada Sender: gregd@camtwh.eric.on.ca Message-ID: <2o9s3f$8vq@camtwh.eric.on.ca> Does anyone know of a good scsi frame grabber that could be used for scientific applications? We would like to be able to control the gain and range of the analog signal and also do hardware frame averaging. We would like to develop our own scsi driver under Nextstep so that we could use the frame grabber with intel, hp, motorola and sun hardware with a minimal amount of work. Any suggestions? Thanks, Greg Dee E.R.I.C.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mjh@minkowski.mit.edu (Michael J. Hopkins) Subject: Money Management Software? Message-ID: <1994Apr8.114940.21709@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics Date: Fri, 8 Apr 94 11:49:40 GMT I think I have seen this asked here before, but I couldn't find the thread in the archives.. Does anyone know if there is any Money Management software for NeXT out there? Mike -- ----------------------------------- Mike Hopkins mjh@math.mit.edu -----------------------------------
From: dtw02348@columbine.egr.uh.edu ((GLOVER) 94S02348) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: spell oheck? Date: 11 Apr 1994 03:53:16 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <2oahjc$md6@masala.cc.uh.edu> Hello, I have NSFIP 3.2 and I'm just trying to use the simple editor and I'm trying to check my spelling, no problem right? but it doesn't work! I thought myabe it's because I didn't have the digital Webster installed so I went back and installed it, but it didn't help I still can't get it to check spelling for me, all I get is the thing making the NEXT icon blink at me, am I supposed to link the dictionary into the edit app somehow? I feel pretty stupid, this is supposed to work right? David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: Command line Mail notifcation Message-ID: <Co2u6q.D23@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <CEDMAN.94Apr10105500@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 04:08:49 GMT Carl Edman writes > I suggest you read the zsh** man page and search for the variable > mailpath. Then add something like this to your ~/.zlogin: > mailpath=( /usr/spool/mail/$USER ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox ) > MAILCHECK=60 or if you are using a _really_ useful shell like tcsh, just do: set tperiod = 5 alias periodic from to check for new mail every 5 minutes. the alias periodic is executed every tperiod minutes, P.S. just kidding Carl, don't take it too seriously ok? -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 11 Apr 1994 02:24:34 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2oaqf2$f6e@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: NEXTSTEP WWW Third Party Product Information Server NEXTSTEP Third Party Product Mail Server comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers NEXTSTEP WWW Third Party Product Information Server --------------------------------------------------- The Server has information from many NEXTSTEP Third Party Developers. As well, there are - FTP links to the March 1994 NextAnswers MiniExamples - the ONLY only Hypertext version of the NEXTSTEP Expo Information - links to the big NEXTSTEP FTP sites - information on the NEXTSTEP Newsgroups Using a Mosaic compatible WWW reader, point to <http://digifix.digifix.com/index.html> [Under NEXTSTEP try OmniWeb.app (available from ftp.omnigroup.com:/pub/software)] NEXTSTEP Third Party Product Mail Server ---------------------------------------- Finally online, the Mail Server will allow you to retrieve information on NEXTSTEP products via NextMail (other formats coming soon). Accessing the Server The information is free, and the service is supported by sponsors from the NEXTSTEP Community. To find out what information is available and how to use the server send email to ns-products@digifix.com with index or help in the message. 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From: af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: no more processes Date: 11 Apr 94 09:09:07 GMT Organization: Universites Paris VI/Paris VII - France Distribution: world Message-ID: <af.766055347@iaka> References: <whcnOIu00iV5Q_sPlU@andrew.cmu.edu> <2o8lrj$9m8@vishnu.jussieu.fr> <2o960v$c9e@news.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: >UCX 2.0x is completely lame from the telnet point of view. Anything other >than 2.0D is a complete waste of time. We have many VMS systems around >here too and the only problem is between VMS/UCX and Next. VMS/CMU >or VMS/TGV (or just about anything around here that has a telnet >client/server, including various terminal servers) and NeXT is fine. Hmmmm... how do you explain the following then ? 1- telnetting from VMS to: Ultrix, SunOS 4.x, Solaris 2.x, AIX, MIPSos works without a hitch 2- compiling the plain telnetd sources from the BSD distribution on the NeXT fixes the problems [Rest deleted] -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health Research Labs 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (*no* NeXTmail !) Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2o8mat$23o@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Control: cancel <2o8mat$23o@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Date: 10 Apr 1994 14:45:18 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2o8vte$2jj@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cancel <2o8mat$23o@marsu.tynet.sub.org> in newsgroup comp.sys.next.misc This article was cancelled from within NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) -- .sig got a SIGKILL signal.
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The incredibly non-shrinking swap-file Date: 10 Apr 1994 16:35:55 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2o96cr$302@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2o6s9f$r0b@sashimi.wwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jdawson@sashimi.wwa.com (Jerald W. Dawson) writes: >I've always got to laugh when I hear people saying something like this. >It makes me realize that they obviously aren't programmers. Nothing is >ever "easy" when you are talking about changing something in software >that is already released. One small change and you find out you've >broken a hundred other things. You have no idea how complex the VM >system in NS is. How do you know that it would be a easy fix... I don't care whether it is easy to fix or hard to fix. It _has to be fixed_ !!! It is very annoying to reboot multiple times a day if you do DTP with larger high-res-scanned TIFF images or anything else with comparable memory consumption. -- .sig got a SIGKILL signal.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cousens@biztech.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Jollys Answering Machine software? (Zyxel Voice compression) Message-ID: <1994Apr10.221530.10431@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <2o3rbq$3am@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 22:15:30 GMT Robert, the code seems to handle ADPCM_3 compression. Since I don't have the latest ROM revision, I can't test it. Let me butt out for a while. Maybe someone with the latest and greatest ROM rev can answer your question...what I was trying to explain was hearsay... Are you using am Ver 1.15? Rik In article <2o3rbq$3am@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > cousens@biztech.com wrote in comp.sys.next.misc > >Robert, > > I actually tried it, and it works pretty well... The only problem > >is the "voice" compression. I was told that if I upgrade to the highest > >ROM revision ($30-35 from Zyxel), that I would have the better compression > >available. It works well (except for the irritating "clicking" caused by > > really is that true? > > I recently grabbed the images of the ftp site (see the Zyxel FAQ) and > had the eproms burnt. Do I get better compression now with the new > software? > -- > "C++ is the best C++ there is." > > (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cousens@biztech.com Subject: Re: swapfile on remote disk? Message-ID: <1994Apr10.222205.10489@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <1994Apr7.152802.8789@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 22:22:05 GMT Kelly, I was poking around the other day in ftp.next.com. They had some info about the swapfile and swaptabs. It may be worth looking into. Can't remember the exact path, but I have the file names: 1386_swabtab_high_water_mark_ignored.rtf 1387_swapdisk_no_longer_functions.rtf 1388_swapfile_size_issues.rtf If you don't FTP access, you can request these files by number, by sending a mail message to ftp.next.com. Just use the number, i.e. 1386. Otherwise, do anonymous FTP to ftp.next.com, and the path is something like /pub/NeXTanswers/files/.../SysAdmin??? Sorry about the vague-ness of this...should have written it down. Rik In article <1994Apr7.152802.8789@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> writes: > > I put lines similar to: > > # Primary file, 16MB low-water, 56MB high-water > /private/vm/swapfile lowat=16777216,hiwat=58720256,prefer > # Secondary file, 1KB low-water > /external/swapfile lowat=1024 > > in /etc/swaptab. > > When I reboot, /external/swapfile isn't created. > > What else do I need to do to get a secondary swapfile? > > -- kc
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: no more processes Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 09:00:09 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <EheIbNy00WBME1ZeID@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <af.766055347@iaka> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 11-Apr-94 Re: SUMMARY: no more processes by Alain Fauconnet: > Hmmmm... how do you explain the following then ? > > 1- telnetting from VMS to: Ultrix, SunOS 4.x, Solaris 2.x, AIX, MIPSos > works without a hitch > 2- compiling the plain telnetd sources from the BSD distribution on the > NeXT fixes the problems Vendors often add additional safety checking that may handle certain types of data that do not properly follow the protocol. For example, a lot of MS-Windows programs generate broken PostScript code with a Cntl-D as the first character. This is completely wrong according to the PostScript language specification, but because this happens so often, a lot of vendors make sure that their PostScript interpreters can handle a leading Ctrl-D as a special case. A vendor who rejects such bad PostScript is perfectly correct in doing so, but it is not what the user wants. Something similar may apply to the telnet connection between your VMS system and a NeXT. This does not mean that there is something 'broken with NeXT's telnetd'. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The incredibly non-shrinking swap-file Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 09:06:14 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <IheIh6S00WBMI1ZfFk@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2o96cr$302@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 10-Apr-94 Re: The incredibly non-shri.. by Markus Wenzel@marsu.tyne > I don't care whether it is easy to fix or hard to fix. It _has to be > fixed_ !!! > > It is very annoying to reboot multiple times a day if you do DTP with > larger high-res-scanned TIFF images or anything else with comparable > memory consumption. The easiest fix is for you to spend some money and buy a 100 MB hard drive (for about a dollar a MB). This will quite effectively solve the problems you are having with your swapfile. -Chuck PS: I use my original Seagate ST1280 (250MB drive) as a swapdisk now, and my system (a) performs better, (b) never has problems with swapspace, and (c) seems to be much more stable. % uptime 9:04am up 5 days, 15:41, 3 users, load average: 0.51, 0.32, 0.31 Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.next.misc From: jrp@ua.nwo.ac.uk (James Perrett) Subject: Re: NeXTStep/Intel, GUS, PAS16, Multi-Sound Recording Message-ID: <jrp.57.000DC60F@ua.nwo.ac.uk> Sender: news@c1.nkw.ac.uk (Ed Marchewicz) Organization: IOSDL References: <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu> <2o92co$853@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 13:46:19 GMT In article <2o92co$853@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tazzzzz@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Kevin Dangoor) writes: >Subject: Re: NeXTStep/Intel, GUS, PAS16, Multi-Sound Recording >From: tazzzzz@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Kevin Dangoor)>Date: 10 Apr 1994 14:27:36 GMT >In article <2o78bt$2ao@spectre.star.harc.edu>, >Marc J. Byrd <byrd@harc.edu> wrote: >>Part of the reason I'm considering this change is that DOS/Windoze >>is not multi-threading, so high quality multi-track recording is >>absolutely >>limited (this surmised from discussion with Turtle Beach tech.). >Actually, Software Audio Workshop from Innovative Quality Software does 4 >track stereo record/playback/editing. (Well, TB cards can only record one >stereo track at a time, but SAW mixes the four in real time.) If you can >get ahold of a copy of the Feb '94 issue of Mix magazine, there is a review >of SAW. The author repeatedly said it's really fast. >E-mail me if you'd like me to dig up IQS' number. They're also on CI$ in >MIDI Vendor C forum (go midicven) >Kevin >(Not an IQS employee... in fact, not even a customer yet. Just passing on >what I know :) As a SAW user I would say that if you have the hardware and seriously want to use hard disk based recording then it is the only system around for less than $1000. If you want real multitrack recording then you might be better off with a specialised box like the Digidesign Session 8, the Roland DM80 or one of the Akai's. If you want a cheaper way of doing a four track portastudio then get the portastudio. :-) Work out what you want to do first, then find the application software to do it and only once you've found the first two should you worry about the operating systems and hardware that they run on. If you want a full review of SAW email me. James. ********************************************************************** * James Perrett Institute of Oceanographic Sciences * * Deacon Laboratory, Brook Road, Wormley * * Godalming, Surrey GU8
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: no more processes Date: 11 Apr 1994 14:11:44 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2oblr0$5kp@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <whcnOIu00iV5Q_sPlU@andrew.cmu.edu> <2o8lrj$9m8@vishnu.jussieu.fr> <2o960v$c9e@news.acns.nwu.edu> <af.766055347@iaka> In article <af.766055347@iaka>, Alain Fauconnet <af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr> wrote: >jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > >>UCX 2.0x is completely lame from the telnet point of view. Anything other >>than 2.0D is a complete waste of time. We have many VMS systems around >>here too and the only problem is between VMS/UCX and Next. VMS/CMU >>or VMS/TGV (or just about anything around here that has a telnet >>client/server, including various terminal servers) and NeXT is fine. > >Hmmmm... how do you explain the following then ? > >1- telnetting from VMS to: Ultrix, SunOS 4.x, Solaris 2.x, AIX, MIPSos >works without a hitch >2- compiling the plain telnetd sources from the BSD distribution on the >NeXT fixes the problems > Given all the negotiation that goes on during the telnet session, its not a trival task to identify the bad guy here. Are the same options and parameters in use by both systems? Probably they both have bugs, or (pure speculation) the BSD version have been be modified to handle wayward VMS systems (wouldn't be the first time). IMHO the UCX bugs are about 1000x worse than the Next bugs. You never did state what version UCX you were running. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: philipp@enst.fr (Philippe-Andre Prindeville) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Tip replacement with x/y/zmodem support Date: 11 Apr 1994 16:46:40 +0200 Organization: Telecom Paris, France Distribution: world Message-ID: <2obnsg$ji2@inf.enst.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: tip, xmodem For the moment, I can't run PPP from home. So I'm looking for a package like tip or tip_zmodem that works on NS 3.2 (white) that can talk to an HP-UX system. I've had problems compiling tip_zmodem -- apparently it is pre-version 3.1... And doesn't take into account support for termios now available. I would do the porting myself (I have time on my hands) but I broke a couple of fingers this weekend... typing is left-handed and slow. -Philip
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: PostScript fonts for NeXTSTEP source? Message-ID: <Co3nu8.6yx@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 14:49:19 GMT Is there anyone out there selling PostScript fonts compatible with NeXTSTEP? I spoke to Adobe sales, and they did not resume selling NeXT PS fonts after RightBrain dropped out of the market. The saleswoman I spoke to said to buy DOS/Windoze PS fonts and convert them (FYI: she did know what NeXT was, and all about RightBrain, etc...). She said there were NO dealers for NeXT fonts any more. I'm especially looking for Palatino and TradeGothic font series right now, but there will be others... I'll post a summary of anything useful that's emailed to me... --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Thoughts on Jollys Answering Machine software? (Zyxel Voice compression) Date: 11 Apr 1994 13:41:04 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2obgh0$11a@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2o3rbq$3am@steffi.demon.co.uk> <1994Apr10.221530.10431@biztech.com> cousens@biztech.com wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >Robert, > the code seems to handle ADPCM_3 compression. >Since I don't have the latest ROM revision, I can't test it. Let me butt >out for a while. Maybe someone with the latest and greatest ROM rev can >answer your question...what I was trying to explain was hearsay... > >Are you using am Ver 1.15? No I promptly deleted it. I have NXFax and use that. I'd prefer not to run such a hack. -- "C++ is the best C++ there is." (ASCII for text only messages)
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Command line Mail notifcation Date: 11 Apr 1994 10:44:56 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404111544.AA09974@alleg.EDU> Thanks go to Joshua Simon for this answer, which works with csh or tcsh: setenv MAIL /usr/spool/mail/luomat set mail = ( 30 $MAIL) the 30 stands for how many seconds to check mail. Pop this in your .cshrc and you're all set. Thanks again! Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
From: citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (MCCOLLAM, DON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Muli launching of app? Date: 11 Apr 1994 08:11 MST Organization: University of Arizona Distribution: world Message-ID: <11APR199408113180@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hi, folks. I have a 25Mhz, 040 NeXTCube (non-ADB keyboard) running NS3.2. I can't the system to launch an app a second (independent, i.e. a new instance) time. I thought the trick was to <alt> double-click the icon? Does this apply to the app's file types? (i.e. can I launch two independent WriteNow apps by <alt> double-clicking [or whatever] on two different WriteNow docs?) What I'm really trying to do is launch two VisualWorks images at the same time. The only way I've succeeded so far was to put Visual.app twice in my Dock. The must be a better way. Thanks. Don McCollam mccollam@snow.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mikes@ceco.ceco.com (Michael Stepniczka) Subject: Re: The incredibly non-shrinking swap-file Message-ID: <Co3q9t.Luw@ceco.ceco.com> Sender: root@ceco.ceco.com (Operator) Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co. References: <2o6s9f$r0b@sashimi.wwa.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 15:41:52 GMT In article r0b@sashimi.wwa.com, jdawson@sashimi.wwa.com (Jerald W. Dawson) writes: > In article<794@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon > Moene) wrote: > I've always got to laugh when I hear people saying something like this. > It makes me realize that they obviously aren't programmers. Nothing is > ever "easy" when you are talking about changing something in software > that is already released. One small change and you find out you've > broken a hundred other things. You have no idea how complex the VM > system in NS is. How do you know that it would be a easy fix... > > Sorry, I just had to say something about it. Well, hopefully it really wouldn't be too heavily depended on outside of the VM subsystem, so changing it shouldn't be impossible. It's a "bug" that I can live with now that I have a bigger disk. I always thought this was just terrible until something came to my attention- all of the other swapping systems I've seen have FIXED swapfile sizes, so it's not as though they ever have to dynamically shrink themselves. If you want, go ahead and set a highwat on your swapfile, make lowwat the same, and it will act like anyone elses swap system. Having it grow is actually pretty handy after having to deal with doing a swapon-s when systems run out of VM. Not that it's difficult, just another thing that you have to do for your system instead of letting it manage it for you. Of course, if it did shrink itself, I would hardly complain. :) Mike Stepniczka mikes@ceco.ceco.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Muli launching of app? Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Co3rzC.s5n@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 16:18:48 GMT References: <11APR199408113180@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN In article <11APR199408113180@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, MCCOLLAM, DON <citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> wrote: > >I have a 25Mhz, 040 NeXTCube (non-ADB keyboard) running NS3.2. I can't the >system to launch an app a second (independent, i.e. a new instance) time. >I thought the trick was to <alt> double-click the icon? Does this apply to >the app's file types? (i.e. can I launch two independent WriteNow apps by ><alt> double-clicking [or whatever] on two different WriteNow docs?) > You have to alt-double-click the app in the Workspace File Viewer. It doesn't seem to apply to the files themselves -- if you alt-double-click two WriteNow docs you get one WriteNow app that opens both docs. Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah. The clouds are lifting." NeXT Mail accepted --
From: volks@uoguelph.ca (Lorraine P Vanwingerden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Converting graphics Date: 11 Apr 1994 16:26:37 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Message-ID: <2obtnt$meq@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Hello, What is the best software to use to convert PC bitmap files (.bmp) to something compatible in NeXT (black hardware) say, TIFF, JPEG, etc. Software recommendations for either the PC or for NeXT will be appreciated. I know of software for the PC which can save in different formats, but these are full-blown graphics packages. I am simply looking for small apps or conversion tools. Thanks, Lorraine -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lorraine Van Wingerden volks@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca | | University of Guelph tel. (519) 824-4120 Ext. 2713 | | Guelph, Ontario, Canada | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: PostScript fonts for NeXTSTEP source? In-Reply-To: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca's message of Mon, 11 Apr 1994 14:49:19 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Apr11100908@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <Co3nu8.6yx@cunews.carleton.ca> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 17:09:08 GMT Chris Saldanha writes: Chris> Is there anyone out there selling PostScript fonts compatible with Chris> NeXTSTEP? I spoke to Adobe sales, and they did not resume selling Chris> NeXT PS fonts after RightBrain dropped out of the market. The Chris> saleswoman I spoke to said to buy DOS/Windoze PS fonts and convert Chris> them (FYI: she did know what NeXT was, and all about RightBrain, Chris> etc...). She said there were NO dealers for NeXT fonts any more. Okay, so maybe our salsepeople aren't always clued in :-( ! <Sheesh!> Trilithon Software is the Authorized Adobe Reseller for NEXTSTEP fonts. Contact info@trilithon.com for more information. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === ===
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep/Intel, GUS, PAS16, Multi-Sound Recording Date: 11 Apr 1994 12:54:39 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <940411185225.227AACUG.malc@jeeves> > Work out what you want to do first, then find the application software to do > it and only once you've found the first two should you worry about > the operating systems and hardware that they run on. > I'd second that. Are you *really* *really* sure you want to do multi-track direct-to-disk? How many tracks, what quality sound (sampling rate, how many bits), how long will be your recording session, how much data do you want to store at a time? We have some fairly specialised requirements (but maybe not too different in "effect" to many others'), and the only way we've found to meet them is to buy a multichannel digital tape recorder (in our case a TASCAM DA-88), and a means of getting from that to disk (eventually, via AES/EBU through Ariel DatPort to the DSP port). (I only ordered this stuff on Friday, so haven't tested it yet!, but someone who helped a lot in working this out -- a friend at the BBC, thanks David! -- has a similar setup and is pleased with its performance.) IMHO, from what I've seen, direct-to-disk solutions just aren't quite there yet. I hope this helps, Have fun, mmalcolm. SHeffield Auditory Group | Vox : (+44) 742 768555 ext 5569 Dept. Computer Science | direct : 825569 Sheffield University | Fax : (+44) 742 780972 Regent Court | Email: malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk 211 Portobello Street | (NeXTMail, MIME welcome) Sheffield S1 4DP, UK. | (Read-Receipts discouraged :-)
From: kitana!sysop@prog1.caprica.com (JL Gomez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Who's running NS 3.2 for Intel in LA? Date: 11 Apr 1994 12:31:27 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <m0pqPcu-0003J7C@kitana> Greetings. I live in Pasadena (LA) and looking at getting NextStep 3.2 for Intel. Before I buy it, I would like to see one in action. What stores and/or individuals I may contact to see a demonstration? I've checked out CalTech in Pasadena but not one machine is running NS 3.2i. Thanks for the info! -- kitana!sysop@caprica.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Implementation of System V shared memory on NeXT Message-ID: <Co23F8.Ew2@cerc.wvu.edu> From: sanjay@cerc.wvu.edu (Sanjay Shrivastava) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 18:30:44 GMT Sender: news@cerc.wvu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center Keywords: shared memory I have to implement System V shared memory capability on NEXT. I was of the opinion that Memory Mapped I/O would solve my problem but due to its limitations of 'write-back' I cannot use it. I have heard of this problem being solved using a PAGING OBJECT... could someone please point me to the right direction of how to implement this or where I can get information on this topic. Thanks a lot. Sanjay Shrivastava sanjay@cerc.wvu.edu
From: ccwf@plato.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: broken telnet (was Re: SUMMARY: no more processes) Date: 11 Apr 1994 18:35:00 GMT Organization: FTL Enterprises, Inc. Message-ID: <2oc58k$d79@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <whcnOIu00iV5Q_sPlU@andrew.cmu.edu> <2o960v$c9e@news.acns.nwu.edu> <af.766055347@iaka> <2oblr0$5kp@news.acns.nwu.edu> Summary: NeXT's telnet is broken In article <2oblr0$5kp@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Jerry Weiss <j-weiss@nwu.edu> wrote: >In article <af.766055347@iaka>, >Alain Fauconnet <af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr> wrote: >>2- compiling the plain telnetd sources from the BSD distribution on the >>NeXT fixes the problems >Given all the negotiation that goes on during the telnet session, its >not a trival task to identify the bad guy here. The bug is probably the same telnet bug about which EPS used to complain frequently. As I recall, it's a mistake in one line of code which was fixed years ago in the BSD sources but which, for some unknown reason, NeXT refuses to fix in their sources (perhaps because it's so easy just to compile the Berkeley sources :-). The most popular program which triggers this bug is old versions of NCSA telnet. Recent versions are supposed to work around the NeXT bug. Perhaps Eric could be convinced to complain some more. -ccwf
From: brentm@zyxel.com (Brent Mosbrook) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Thoughts on Jollys Answering Machine software? (Zyxel Voice compression) Date: 11 Apr 1994 10:31:16 -0700 Organization: ZyXEL, The Intelligent Modem Message-ID: <2oc1h4$9a4@techie.zyxel.com> References: <2o3rbq$3am@steffi.demon.co.uk> Robert Nicholson (robert@steffi.demon.co.uk) wrote: : I recently grabbed the images of the ftp site (see the Zyxel FAQ) and : had the eproms burnt. Do I get better compression now with the new : software? There are three recording formats for ZyXEL's. 2-bit and 3-bit ADPCM, and CELP. CELP is available on the PLUS models. It has maintained the same compression scheme from its inception, so you shouldn't get any "better" compression with newer roms. The roms have typically fixed problems with clicking sounds, DTMF detection, etc. -- Brent Mosbrook brentm@zyxel.com Technical Support voice - 714-693-0808 ZyXEL BBS - 714-693-0762 FTP - ftp.sdsc.edu /pub/other/zyxel Fax - 714-693-8811
From: vanguard@oar.net (Tyler Gingrich) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: March SONG Meeting - STONE DESIGN Date: 11 Apr 1994 16:28:48 -0400 Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ocbu0$baj@dialup.oar.net> Andrew Stone of Stone Design was the guest for the most recent Southwest Ohio NeXT Group (SONG) meeting. Andrew gave us a 2-hour demonstration of the updated products from Stone Design (DataPhile 2.1, Create 2.1, and 3D-Reality ?.?). This demo was basically Andrew in "NXStreamOfConsciousnessMode" simultaneously demoing DataPhile, Create, and 3D-Reality - very informative for the NeXT experts in the crowd -- a little much for the NEXTSTEP novices. He showed a huge number of new & improved features BUT I can't remember which features go with which programs. :-) Neat new stuff: - Arc Tool (Create) - easy to use postscript arc command. - Data Well (Create & DataPhile) - drag out your drawings and data in a wide variety of user selectable data representations. - Read Only File Sharing (DataPhile) - Allows users to access a DP database in read only mode. - Many Bug fixes (Create & DataPhile). - Bunch of other stuff which I can't remember. :-) By far and away the NEATEST item was the new Stone Design CD-ROM. This includes demo versions of all shipping products AND over 100 megabytes of sample images, pictures, databases, 3D-shapes, shaders, etc. Any of the software bundled on the CD can be "activated" by calling Stone Design to buy a license key. This CD also contains the artwork for the famous (infamous??) add that was to run in the May issue of NeXTWorld, some pictures from last years RAVE party, and the Stone Design contest winners (the 3-D recycling logo is WAY COOL). The Stone-CD is only $15 and is *DEFINITELY* on my buy list. It should be available by mid-April. Andrew showed us the artwork and proofs before the meeting. Last, but not least, for those who missed the RAVE party last year, there will be another party sponsored by Stone this year. Don't know if it will be a peculiar as the first, but I'm planning to go just to find out. :-) Many, many thanks from the SONG group to Andrew and Katie for taking time out of their vacation to stop by and visit. --- Tyler Gingrich Vanguard Software, Corp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <1994Apr11.145541.11794@planon.qc.ca> Sender: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) References: <neuss.765562423@maotai> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 14:55:41 GMT In article <neuss.765562423@maotai> neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) writes: > judson@crl.com (Michael Judson) writes: > > >Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized and the 'e' is not? > > Rumour sez that they "tested" the icon and it read to much like "exit". > > Chris > -- > "I ride a tandem with the random.." > Christian Neuss # Fraunhofer Institute for Computer Graphics > Wilhelminenstr.7 # 64283 Darmstadt # Germany > e-mail: neuss@igd.fhg.de finger: neuss@wildturkey.igd.fhg.de The reason is that you can't register a single common word as a trademark or a company name. So, next, Next and NEXT would be considered unacceptable alone because the word "next" could be found in any dictionary. Regular way to capitalize the word (all lower, all upper, first upper and other lower) does not make the difference. BUT using a special way to capitalize the word NeXT make it special and acceptable as trademark. -- Yanik Crepeau The power of OOP used to stop when Programmer the programmer typed "make". With Planon Telexpertise NEXTSTEP and PDO, that is not true E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT) anymore!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) Subject: French Spelling Checker Message-ID: <Co44pt.G9w@cc.umontreal.ca> Summary: HSD Spell ? Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 20:53:51 GMT Hi. I'd like to get a French spelling checker that works with any kind of NEXTSTEP programs. The best would be for it to work in real-time, just like "THUNDER" did on the Atari ST: no matter where I am, the spelling checker is having fun checking to see If I make typing mistakes, and alerts with a calm bell sound... For example, as I am typing in WriteNow or in Cables or in Draw... Also, It's gotta be cheap: HSD Spell was $19 US at one point... Too bad I didn't go for it then. I would now. Anybody have a used one they dont want? Thanks -- "Restore spice mining on Arrakis or you will live out your life in a pain amplifier!" -- Guild agent
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: "TRADE" - loan us your system at EXPO in exchange for software Message-ID: <1994Apr5.205654.2345@stone.com> Keywords: EXPO Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 20:56:54 GMT If you: 1] live in the San Francisco area 2] have a Color Turbo, Gecko, or Pentium machine with NEXTSTEP 3] will loan us your machine for 3 days at EXPO 4] want DataPhile, Create & 3DReality (a $1685 value) in exchange send me email at andrew@stone.com -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>|<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone | (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com | Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>|<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: iwj@white.dogwood.com (Ian Jackson) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.next.hardware reorganization fails Supersedes: <comp.sys.next.hardware-reorg-CFV2@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Apr 1994 23:38:36 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <comp.sys.next.hardware-reorg-RESULT@uunet.uu.net> References: <comp.sys.next.hardware-reorg-RFD1@uunet.uu.net> RESULT comp.sys.next.hardware reorganisation This is the report of the vote result regarding the proposal to split comp.sys.next.hardware into three unmoderated groups, comp.sys.next.hardware.i386, .m68k and .misc. Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 152 60 : Yes No : No : comp.sys.next.hardware.i386 152 59 : Yes No : No : comp.sys.next.hardware.m68k 148 60 : Yes No : No : comp.sys.next.hardware.misc 214 valid ballots were received and counted in the totals above. Each new group requires at least twice as many yes as no votes and at least 100 more yes than no votes; accordingly none of the proposed new groups will be created and comp.sys.next.hardware will remain. The proposal may not be raised again for at least 6 months. CHARTERS ======== comp.sys.next.hardware.i386 Computers running NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors This group is intended for discussion of hardware topics relating to NeXTstep running on Intel x86 series processors. Appropriate topics include (but are of course not limited to) the various vendors of NeXTstep compatible Intel x86 systems, ISA/EISA/VLB/PCI cards and drivers for such systems and the DriverKit. comp.sys.next.hardware.m68k Computers running NeXTSTEP for NeXT Computers This group is intended for discussion of hardware topics relating to NeXTstep running on Motorola 680x0 series processors. Currently this includes all hardware questions relating to turbo and non-turbo NeXTcube and NeXTstations systems as well as NeXTdimension systems. comp.sys.next.hardware.misc Peripherals and miscellaneous Hardware (renamed from comp.sys.next.hardware) NeXTstep related hardware questions which belong in none or all of the existing processor specific groups belong in comp.sys.next.hardware.misc. Appropriate topics include the discussion of SCSI devices, modems and printers as related to NeXTstep, any topic relating to NeXTstep on new processors for which no processor specific group has yet been created, and many more. If this group is created it will replace comp.sys.next.hardware, which will therefore be removed approximately three months later. Crossposts between any of these three groups are discouraged. A subject appropriate for one of the processor specific newsgroups is by definition inappropriate for the .misc group, and a question which could go to both of them generally belongs in neither but only in the .misc group. RATIONALE ========= As NeXTSTEP has started to support multiple hardware architectures, the articles in comp.sys.next.hardware are clearly split right now. They are unrelated, but happen to be in the same newsgroup; things are going to be even worse when new hardware architectures are supported. This split will help to make reading hardware articles easier, as related articles will be grouped together. People only interested in one hardware architecture don't have to dig through all articles in order to find those they are interested in. The following naming rule for hardware groups has been applied, so that users of NeXTSTEP computers know at once which hardware newsgroup to use: comp.sys.next.hardware.`/usr/bin/arch` (this is the same as the MACH cpu type -- see man 3 arch). This is not ideal, but it is predictable. Fancier names could be chosen, but again, people would have to ask for the correct name of his newsgroup, and this discussion would start again and again with every new hardware architecture. CONTACT INFORMATION =================== This vote is being handled by Ian Jackson as a neutral third party. Please direct all voting and procedural questions and reports of problems to him at iwj@white.dogwood.com. NOTE! Please send *votes* to iwj-vote@white.dogwood.com ^^^^ Please direct all questions regarding the proposed new group to either one of the proposers, Stephan Trebels <trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de> or Carl Edman <cedman@cedman.remote.Princeton.EDU>. LIST OF VOTERS ============== The following ballots were received and counted in the totals above: comp.sys.next.hardware.misc -----+ comp.sys.next.hardware.m68k ----+| comp.sys.next.hardware.i386 ---+|| ||| A.Leene@research.ptt.nl (Arnaud Leene) YYY ah@fml.tuwien.ac.at (Andreas Haleger) YYY al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Eugenio Sanchez) Y-- altsys!lorin_rivers@uunet.UU.NET (Lorin Rivers) NNN amish@data.uchicago.edu (Amish Dave) NNN anderson@doit.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) YYY ault@cs.albany.edu (James Ault) YYY bajwa@saturn.dpic.bc.ca (Bob Bajwa) YYY bbeckwit@carrock.hw.stratus.com (Bob Beckwith) NNN bbs@bbs.dsnet.com (Robert Mc Daniel) NNN bchin@hesta2.hesta.com (Bill Chin) NNN birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag Aristotelis) YYY bisbey@loretta.la.ca.us (Bisbey) NNN bj@herbison.com (B.J. Herbison) YYY bobcook@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Bob Cook) YYY brown@bibliotech.com (Bob Brown) --- caro@mv.us.adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) NNN cdl@mpl.UCSD.EDU (Carl Lowenstein) YYY cedman@Princeton.EDU (Carl Edman) YYY chin@chestnut.chem.upenn.edu (Chin Hsiang Wu) YYY Christian.Limpach@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Christian Limpach) YYY christov@nazgul.st.hmc.edu (Christopher Douty) YYY ck@cs.tu-berlin.de (Christian Kelling) YYY claiborn@express.ctron.com (Christian Longshore Claiborn) NNN clasch@tallawe.lahn.de (Claus Schneeberger) YYY collins@kaiwan.com (Ed Collins) YYY cooncat@gershwin.mills.edu (Jessica Mosher) YYY crath@bnr.ca (Christopher Rath) YYY crawford@nesteggs.com (Michael E. Crawford) YYY crouchkp@flidh102.delcoelect.com (Kenneth P. Crouch, Jr.) NNN csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) YYY ctfinlay@lochnext.lerc.nasa.gov (Charles Finlay) YYY cuche@vaw.ethz.ch (Bernard CUCHE) YY- D.J.Walker-Morgan@micromuse.co.uk (D.J.Walker-Morgan) YYY d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) YYY dan@az.stratus.com (Dan Danz) YYY darrin@research.canon.oz.au (Darrin Smart) YYY daugher@cs.tamu.edu (Walter C. Daugherity) YYY david@colossus.pfm-mainz.de (David Andel) YYY david@worg.questor.org (David Lau) YYY dbruce@gonzo.cs.uoguelph.ca (Dave Bruce) YYY deckardr@skynet.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (Rick Deckard) YYY devans@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (David Evans) YYY djc@fnbc.com (Dan Crimmins) YYY dlewis@fnma.COM (David Lewis) NNN dlr@woodstock.abbott.com (Donald L. Ritchey) NNN dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (Dave Meyer) YYY drayer@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Rebecca Drayer) YYY DUKE_MA@a1.tcc.corning.com (Michael A. Duke) YYY ed@joker.fdn.org (Erik Dasque) YYY elitman+@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) YYY engstrom@src.honeywell.com (Eric D. Engstrom) NNN eps@cs.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) NNN eric@whyanext.com (Eric Schwartz) YYY eric_brown@il.us.swissbank.com (Eric Brown) YYY eric_wespestad@its.com (Eric Wespestad) YYY Erik_Kraft@ensuing.com (erik kraft) NNN ernest@cco.caltech.edu (Ernest N. Prabhakar) YYY esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) YYY Felix.Rauch@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Felix Rauch) YYY fl1ger@rrz.de (Ralf Weber) YYY fo6r@midway.uchicago.edu (Eric Fortune) NNN fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan) NNN gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance Alistair Drosehn) YYY gerald@kurt.in-berlin.de (Gerald Erdmann) YYY gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) YYY gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley) YYY ggw@acpub.duke.edu (Gregory G. Woodbury) YYY gil@atlantic.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gil Rivlis) YYY gildas@crih.fdn.org (Gildas NOEL) YYY GOLDEN@HUHEPL.HARVARD.EDU (Mitchell Golden) YYY gorndorf@mv.us.adobe.com (Graham Orndorff) NNN gregf@fpl91.berkeley.edu (Greg C. Foliente) YYY Greg_Anderson@afs.com (Gregory H. 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From: Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <108556@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 94 14:09:57 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <2n77hm$l2o@crl2.crl.com> <neuss.765562423@maotai> >judson@crl.com (Michael Judson) writes: > >>Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized and the 'e' is not? Pure speculation on my part, in the same vein as the "HAL" is "IBM" rumor: A long time ago (in computer terms) Sun created a postscript-based windowing system called "NeWS". I notice that NeXT is "Ne(W++)(S++)". Coincidence? ;-) Lee
From: shill@iphysiol.unil.ch (Sean L. Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to umcompress (Command line) Date: 6 Apr 1994 18:16:57 GMT Organization: Institut de Physiologie, Universite de Lausanne Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[9116] Message-ID: <2nuuap$k0d@cisun2000.unil.ch> References: <2nkredINNeuo@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> <2nukl0$opa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <2nus7u$b0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. just one more addition... you can also use: gnutar -uncompress xvf foo.tar.Z ----- Sean L. Hill Institut de Physiologie / Universite de Lausanne Rue du Bugnon, 7 CH-1005 Lausanne SWITZERLAND E-mail: Sean.Hill@iphysiol.unil.ch NEXTMAIL: hill@iisnext1.unil.ch
From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY: no more processes Date: 12 Apr 1994 07:19:30 GMT Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa Message-ID: <2odi22$far@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <whcnOIu00iV5Q_sPlU@andrew.cmu.edu> <2o8lrj$9m8@vishnu.jussieu.fr> <2o960v$c9e@news.acns.nwu.edu> <af.766055347@iaka> af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) writes: >jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: >>UCX 2.0x is completely lame from the telnet point of view. Anything other >>than 2.0D is a complete waste of time. We have many VMS systems around >>here too and the only problem is between VMS/UCX and Next. VMS/CMU >>or VMS/TGV (or just about anything around here that has a telnet >>client/server, including various terminal servers) and NeXT is fine. >Hmmmm... how do you explain the following then ? >1- telnetting from VMS to: Ultrix, SunOS 4.x, Solaris 2.x, AIX, MIPSos >works without a hitch >2- compiling the plain telnetd sources from the BSD distribution on the >NeXT fixes the problems As an added data point, telnetting from an Apollo Domain/OS system (which uses a BSD-based telnet client) fails to connect properly to a NeXT, but works for every other system known to man (or at least to me) rlogin fails as well, (stty -extproc fixes this) The BSD telnetd compiled on the NeXT fixes the problem, I never did get the BSD rlogind to work, but found out about the stty -extproc fix on the net and had the telnet working so I never really worked on it very hard. -- Douglas Siebert dsiebert@isca.uiowa.edu
From: nike@indirect.com (Laurence Canter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,pgh.general Subject: Green Card Lottery- Final One? Date: 12 Apr 1994 08:01:51 GMT Organization: Canter & Siegel Message-ID: <2odkhf$3gr@herald.indirect.com> Green Card Lottery 1994 May Be The Last One! THE DEADLINE HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED. The Green Card Lottery is a completely legal program giving away a certain annual allotment of Green Cards to persons born in certain countries. The lottery program was scheduled to continue on a permanent basis. However, recently, Senator Alan J Simpson introduced a bill into the U. S. Congress which could end any future lotteries. THE 1994 LOTTERY IS SCHEDULED TO TAKE PLACE SOON, BUT IT MAY BE THE VERY LAST ONE. PERSONS BORN IN MOST COUNTRIES QUALIFY, MANY FOR FIRST TIME. The only countries NOT qualifying are: Mexico; India; P.R. China; Taiwan, Philippines, North Korea, Canada, United Kingdom (except Northern Ireland), Jamaica, Domican Republic, El Salvador and Vietnam. Lottery registration will take place soon. 55,000 Green Cards will be given to those who register correctly. NO JOB IS REQUIRED. THERE IS A STRICT JUNE DEADLINE. THE TIME TO START IS NOW!! For FREE information via Email, send request to cslaw@indirect.com -- ***************************************************************** Canter & Siegel, Immigration Attorneys 3333 E Camelback Road, Ste 250, Phoenix AZ 85018 USA cslaw@indirect.com telephone (602)661-3911 Fax (602) 451-7617
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Message-ID: <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> Sender: usenet@cvbnet.CV.COM (News Account ) Organization: Computervision Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 12:57:16 GMT As I'd promised, here's a postscript file that shows the problem I'd originally reported here. To summarize: - this file was generated by PowerPoint 3.0 running under MS Windows 3.1. - it has 4 pages. All the pages are similar looking and contain a small scanned-in image in addition to text. - It prints fine on a QMS 1700 postscript printer, and, what's more, even previews fine under Sun OS 4.1.3, Openwindows 3.0 "Pageview" (amazing, since the NeXT previewer is usually much better than this) - But, on my Nextstation running NS 3.1, "preview" shows page 1 OK, page 2 takes several (3 or 4) minutes (and slows down my machine)--- and finally comes up OK, page 3 or 4 never come back (the rotating "busy" icon stays there forever, and my machine slows down quite a bit --- each character in the shell can take a few seconds to show up), and I have to kill the previewer process. Could someone try it out and post their results to the net (or to me)... Should I report this as a bug to NeXT? -- Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730-1486 fax: (617) 275-5166 -----------------------cut and save as nsteptst.ps----------------- %!PS-Adobe-3.0 %%Creator: Windows PSCRIPT %%Title: PowerPoint - NSTEPTST.PPT %%BoundingBox: 18 9 593 784 %%DocumentNeededResources: (atend) %%DocumentSuppliedResources: (atend) %%Pages: (atend) %%BeginResource: procset Win35Dict 3 1 /Win35Dict 290 dict def Win35Dict begin/bd{bind def}bind def/in{72 mul}bd/ed{exch def}bd/ld{load def}bd/tr/translate ld/gs/gsave ld/gr /grestore ld/M/moveto ld/L/lineto ld/rmt/rmoveto ld/rlt/rlineto ld /rct/rcurveto ld/st/stroke ld/n/newpath ld/sm/setmatrix ld/cm/currentmatrix ld/cp/closepath ld/ARC/arcn ld/TR{65536 div}bd/lj/setlinejoin ld/lc /setlinecap ld/ml/setmiterlimit ld/sl/setlinewidth ld/scignore false def/sc{scignore{pop pop pop}{0 index 2 index eq 2 index 4 index eq and{pop pop 255 div 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restore gr /bytestr 287 string def gs 83 8 1769 1302 CB save 1769 1302 translate 83 8 scale 287 27 8 [287 0 0 -27 0 27] {unpack} bind image dbe6e83cf3e6803cfd3cf4e6e63cdce6 d9e6e63cf5e6803c003cf7e6e43cdae6 d7e6e53cf7e6813cfae6e23cd8e6 d5e6e33cfae6833cfde6df3cd7e6 d3e6e13cfde6803ce13cd5e6 d2e6803cc03cd3e6 d0e6803cc43cd1e6 cee6803cc83ccfe6 cce6803ccc3ccde6 cae6803cd03ccbe6 c8e6803cd43cc9e6 c6e6803cd83c00a7c8e6 c4e6803cdb3cc6e6 c3e6803cde3cc4e6 c1e6803ce23cc2e6 bfe6803ce63cc0e6 bde6803cea3cbee6 bbe6803cee3cbce6 b9e6803cf23cbae6 b7e6803cf53cb9e6 b6e6803cf83cb7e6 b5e6803cf93cb7e6 b9e6803cf13cbbe6 c0e6803ce43cc1e6 c7e6803cd63cc8e6 cee6803cc83ccfe6 d5e6803cba3cd6e6 restore gr /bytestr 287 string def gs 83 8 1769 1294 CB save 1769 1294 translate 83 8 scale 287 27 8 [287 0 0 -27 0 27] {unpack} bind image dce6803cad3cdce6 e3e6803c9f3ce3e6 eae6803c913ceae6 f0e6002a803c853cf1e6 f5e6013733ff2bff2e803c813c0046f6e6 fb3c01e63c80e680e6efe6ffaa00e6 f13c80e680e6ffe600bef73c ed3c80e686e6f23c 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bind image ac3cfae6eb3cf8e6f03cf8e6f13cf8e6eb3cfae6ad3c ac3cfbe6ea3cf9e600b9f03cf9e600aff03cf9e6ea3cfbe6ad3c ad3cfae6ea3cf9e6ef3cf9e6ef3cf9e6ea3c00b8fce600aaae3c ad3cfbe6e93cf9e6ef3cf9e6ef3cf9e6e93cfbe6ae3c ad3cfce6e83cfae600b9ef3cf9e6ee3cfae6e83cfce6ae3c ae3cfbe6e83cfae6ee3cf9e6ee3cfae6009ae93cfbe6af3c ae3cfce6e83cf9e6ee3cf9e6ee3cfae600bce83cfce6af3c af3c00a2fde6e73cfae6ed3cf9e6ed3cfae6e73cfde6af3c af3cfce6e73cfae6ed3c009afae6ed3cfae6e73cfce6b03c af3cfde6e63cfae6ec3cfae6ed3c00b9fbe6e63cfde6b03c af3cfee6e53cfbe6eb3cfbe6eb3cfbe6e53cfee6b03c b03cfde6e53cfbe6eb3cfbe6eb3cfbe6e53cfde6b13c b03cfee6e43cfbe6eb3cfbe6eb3c00a2fce6e43cfee6b13c b03cffe6e33cfce6ea3cfbe6ea3cfce6e33cffe6b13c b13cffe6e23cfce6ea3cfbe6ea3cfce6e33cfee6b23c b13cffe6e33cfce6009dea3cfbe6ea3c00b8fde6009ae33cffe6b23c b13c00e6e23cfce6e93cfbe6e93cfce6e23c00e6b23c b23c00e6e13cfce6e83cfce6e93cfce6e13c00e6b33c b23c008ae13cfce6e83cfce6e83cfde6e13c00a5b33c 913cfde6e73cfde600aae83cfde6923c 913cfde6e73cfde6e73cfde6923c 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186 (sub-bullet) 186 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 726 695 22 (\226) 22 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 7 1 SJ 775 695 340 (another sub-bullet) 340 SB gr 1 #C statusdict begin /manualfeed false store end EJ RS %%PageTrailer %%PageResources: font Helvetica %%+ font Helvetica-Bold %%Page: 2 2 %%PageResources: (atend) SS 0 0 25 11 798 1100 300 SM 255 255 255 fC /fm 256 def 2394 3192 0 19 B 1 F n 32 0 0 53 53 0 0 0 48 /Helvetica /font12 ANSIFont font 0 0 0 fC 1 1 SJ 1113 3070 167 (Page 2) 167 SB 32 0 0 53 53 1 0 0 49 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font 3 3 SJ 352 1546 417 (Note for Slide #2) 417 SB 32 0 0 53 53 0 0 0 48 /Helvetica /font12 ANSIFont font 352 1713 19 (\225) 19 SB 8 6 SJ 432 1713 607 (This is a note for this slide) 607 SB 0 lc 0 lj 0 0 0 pC 6 5 SP 1793 1195 302 261 B S n 255 255 255 fC /fm 256 def gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 1788 1190 306 265 B 1 F n gr 32 0 0 26 26 0 0 0 24 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font 0 0 0 fC gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 3 1 SJ 566 1349 83 (Page 2) 83 SB gr 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1769 1259 CB save 1769 1259 translate 83 3 scale 287 10 8 [287 0 0 -10 0 10] {unpack} bind image 923cffe6e33cfee6e43cffe6933c 923cffe6e33cffe6e33cffe6933c 923c00e6e23cffe6e23c00e6933c 923c00e6e23cffe6e23c00e6933c 803cf33cffe6803cf43c 803cf33cffe6803cf43c 803cf23c00e6803cf43c 803c803ce43c 803c803ce43c 803c803ce43c restore gr 32 0 0 79 79 0 0 0 74 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 2 2 SJ 566 391 321 (Slide # 2) 321 SB gr 32 0 0 53 53 0 0 0 49 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 567 536 19 (\225) 19 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 2 4 SJ 616 536 390 (This is slide # 2) 390 SB gr 32 0 0 40 40 0 0 0 37 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 726 623 22 (\226) 22 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 775 623 186 (sub-bullet) 186 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 726 695 22 (\226) 22 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 7 1 SJ 775 695 340 (another sub-bullet) 340 SB gr 1 #C statusdict begin /manualfeed false store end EJ RS %%PageTrailer 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803c803ce43c 803c803ce43c restore gr 32 0 0 79 79 0 0 0 74 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 2 2 SJ 566 391 321 (Slide # 3) 321 SB gr 32 0 0 53 53 0 0 0 49 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 567 536 19 (\225) 19 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 2 4 SJ 616 536 390 (This is slide # 3) 390 SB gr 32 0 0 40 40 0 0 0 37 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 726 623 22 (\226) 22 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 775 623 186 (sub-bullet) 186 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 726 695 22 (\226) 22 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 7 1 SJ 775 695 340 (another sub-bullet) 340 SB gr 1 #C statusdict begin /manualfeed false store end EJ RS %%PageTrailer %%PageResources: font Helvetica %%+ font Helvetica-Bold %%Page: 4 4 %%PageResources: (atend) SS 0 0 25 11 798 1100 300 SM 255 255 255 fC /fm 256 def 2394 3192 0 19 B 1 F n 32 0 0 53 53 0 0 0 48 /Helvetica /font12 ANSIFont font 0 0 0 fC 1 1 SJ 1113 3070 167 (Page 4) 167 SB 32 0 0 53 53 1 0 0 49 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font 3 3 SJ 352 1546 417 (Note for Slide #4) 417 SB 32 0 0 53 53 0 0 0 48 /Helvetica /font12 ANSIFont font 352 1713 19 (\225) 19 SB 8 6 SJ 432 1713 607 (This is a note for this slide) 607 SB 0 lc 0 lj 0 0 0 pC 6 5 SP 1793 1195 302 261 B S n 255 255 255 fC /fm 256 def gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 1788 1190 306 265 B 1 F n gr 32 0 0 26 26 0 0 0 24 /Helvetica-Bold /font13 ANSIFont font 0 0 0 fC gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 3 1 SJ 566 1349 83 (Page 4) 83 SB gr gs 1788 1190 305 264 CB 1768 1342 81 (CHI\22294) 81 SB gr /bytestr 287 string def gs 83 7 1769 1331 CB save 1769 1331 translate 83 7 scale 287 27 8 [287 0 0 -27 0 27] {unpack} bind image 80e680e6e4e6 80e680e6e4e6 80e680e6e4e6 80e680e6e4e6 80e680e6e4e6 80e680e6e4e6 80e680e6e4e6 80e680e6e4e6 80e6f3e6004880e6f3e6 80e6f3e6013d2ce3e6004392e6 91e60036e3e6013821e3e6003092e6 91e6002ee3e6013321e3e6003192e6 91e60030e3e6012c1ce4e6013e3692e6 91e6013721e4e6012c1be4e6002a91e6 91e6014621e4e601281be4e6003c91e6 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jvitek@cui.unige.ch (Jan VITEK) Subject: Eastern europe? Message-ID: <1994Apr12.105806.15865@news.unige.ch> Sender: usenet@news.unige.ch Organization: University of Geneva - CUI Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 10:58:06 GMT Are there fonts/keyboards/programs for NeXTStep with support for all of the eastern european languages with funny accents (e.g. in Czech there is an inverted ^ on top of some letters)? If the answer is no, then how hard would it be to add it to the system? Thanks, jan
From: vamparys@litnext1.epfl.ch (Franck VAMPARYS) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Date: 12 Apr 1994 11:25:31 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Message-ID: <2oe0fb$g7o@disuns2.epfl.ch> In article <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) writes: > As I'd promised, here's a postscript file that shows the > problem I'd originally reported here. To summarize: > - But, on my Nextstation running NS 3.1, "preview" shows page 1 OK, > page 2 takes several (3 or 4) minutes (and slows down my > machine)--- and finally comes up OK, > page 3 or 4 never come back (the rotating "busy" icon stays there > forever, and my machine slows down quite a bit --- each character > in the shell can take a few seconds to show up), and I have to > kill the previewer process. > > Could someone try it out and post their results to the net (or to me)... > Should I report this as a bug to NeXT? I have the same problem with Preview (on a intel NS 3.2), but it works well with Tailor. --------------------------------+------------------------------------ EPFL-DI-LIT | Franck VAMPARYS Swiss Institute of Technology | E-mail : vamparys@litnext1.epfl.ch IN Ecublens | Work : +41 21 693-6796 CH-1015 Lausanne (Switzerland) | Fax : +41 21 693-4701
From: chi@kaiwan.com (Lung-Chi Chuang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: how do I use tip + modem on com2? Date: 12 Apr 1994 04:22:03 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310/527-4279,818/756-0180,714/741-2920) Message-ID: <2oe08r$l1m@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> I need help to setup tip to use my Supra V.32bis modem on com2... My system is an Intel 486/66 setup. I heard from people that I'll need to edit /etc/remote in order to use tip ... however, I still could get it to connect to my modem. If you have the same setup, could you please E-mail me your /etc/remote file? And also what command to use with tip. Thank you! P.S. I hate rebooting to DOS in order to use my modem.... Ahhhh... Help!!!
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Services/Mail/Document Date: 12 Apr 1994 10:10:30 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404121510.AA22555@alleg.EDU> Problem: In WorkSpace (or wherever) I do Services/Mail/Document. Mail.app comes up, a Compose window opens and [ insert system beep here ]. And a little panel pops up and says "Idiot, you have Non-NeXT as your default" (ok that part doesn't happen really) What _does_ happen is that I get a triangle around the Deliver box, but the attachment doesn't go in, because it is a Non-NeXT compose window. Is there a way I can get around this? All I need to do is have Mail.app open a NeXTMail compose window and put the document into it. Sounds simple enough to me. Yes I realize I could just change my default back to NeXTMail, but 90% of my email goes to people I don't know if they have NeXTs or the messages are just text, so Non-NeXT just makes more sense. Thanks Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: irogers@theme.music.indiana.edu (Ian Rogers) Subject: Is it possible to change the title bar from the command line? Message-ID: <Co5Jwz.xI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Indiana University Music Library, Bloomington Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 15:19:47 GMT Using Terminal (or Stuart if it's possible), can one change the title bar from the command-line? Please e-mail responses. Thanks, ian -- Ian Rogers Variations Technical Coordinator, Indiana University Music Library irogers@indiana.edu
From: draphsor@rescomp.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ATI Mach32 *ISA* possible?? Date: 12 Apr 1994 15:18:24 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <2oee40$pvg@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <2nbsm9$pr@ugle.unit.no> In comp.sys.next.misc benji@alkymi.unit.no (Jrn Norheim) writes: >I have a simple question. Is it possible to use the ATI Mach32 GU+ *ISA* >graphics adapter with NeXTStep 3.2? It didn't seem to work when I recently >installed NS 3.2. It seemed to me like the driver only supported localbus >( or possibly the EISA/PCI bus ). No. See the Hardware Compatibility Guide (available from NeXTanswers; email nextanswers@next.com, subject line "help" for information on accessing NeXTanswers) for details. The ATI driver supports the EISA and VL-BUS versions of the card, and some of the built-in graphics systems based on the mach32 chipset. It does not support the ISA version. Rollie -- Matt Rollefson ("Rollie") draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu Residential Computing, Stanford University NeXTmail accepted
From: kampp@nemesis (Ralf &) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ColorWells in ScrollViews Date: 12 Apr 1994 12:45:28 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <2oe558$fvv@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> Hi out there ! Has anyone a remedy or workaround for the following phenomenon ? (NeXTstep 3.1, black machine) --> Colorwells won't display correctly if put in a ScrollView and scrolled around. (Try "Group in ScrollView" with some ColorWells in InterfaceBuilder, make ScrollView smaller so that scrolling becomes necessary and "Test Interface") Any help would be appreciated !! Ralf
From: kampp@nemesis (Ralf &) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help: Disable power button on NeXT Hardware Date: 12 Apr 1994 12:56:10 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Message-ID: <2oe5pa$g0l@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <2o49ub$rg9@batman.tamu.edu> Try "dwrite loginwindow PowerOffDisabled YES" as root. After that, pressing the power button only logs out the current user. Powering down only works through the monitor then.
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Software Consortium Keywords: Magazine Message-ID: <Apr.12.12.46.07.1994.1442@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 12 Apr 94 16:46:07 GMT References: <CnsK0w.303@ucdavis.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) writes: >Proposal: All of the software distributors/manufactures could form > a consortium/cartel an "power" select a magazine to carry > their advertizing based on some agreements to with the > magazine to pick up some of the writers and articles > from NeXTWORLD. This isn't bad. We could have a net survey. Which magazine do you want to raid? a) infoworld b) macworld c) byte etc... Then everyone would buy those rags, and all the next software guys would advert there. But for now I suggest we wait and see how that new little next gazzette does. Maybe we wont need more than that... On the other hand it would be cool to be seen in another major rag... Later, John
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: broken telnet (was Re: SUMMARY: no more processes) Date: 12 Apr 1994 19:38:50 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2oetca$6rq@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <whcnOIu00iV5Q_sPlU@andrew.cmu.edu> <af.766055347@iaka> <2oblr0$5kp@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2oc58k$d79@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <2oc58k$d79@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, Charles Fu <ccwf@plato.klab.caltech.edu> wrote: >In article <2oblr0$5kp@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Jerry Weiss <j-weiss@nwu.edu> wrote: >>In article <af.766055347@iaka>, >>Alain Fauconnet <af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr> wrote: >>>2- compiling the plain telnetd sources from the BSD distribution on the >>>NeXT fixes the problems > >>Given all the negotiation that goes on during the telnet session, its >>not a trival task to identify the bad guy here. > >The bug is probably the same telnet bug about which EPS used to >complain frequently. As I recall, it's a mistake in one line of code >which was fixed years ago in the BSD sources but which, for some >unknown reason, NeXT refuses to fix in their sources (perhaps because >it's so easy just to compile the Berkeley sources :-). > Some time last year, I picked up and complied an update telnetd for NS to try to work out problems with Vms/Ucx 2.0 and 2.0b. It still didn't work properly. UCX 2.0d is usable and works with NS telnet as distributed with 3.0, 3.1, 3.2. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: keithw@fiji.umhc.umn.edu (Keith Willard) Subject: wireless nextstep Message-ID: <Co615y.HnG@news.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: wireless, pen based, RF Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Distribution: comp Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 21:35:09 GMT We could benefit mightily from having a nextstep based portable with the following characteristics: 1) a pen/stylus pointing device input 2) high band width wireless link (like a spread spectrum RF) with 1-2 m bandwidth 3) voice input i have seen a platform like this demo'd in the NT world using a compaq pen laptop (didn't find out the name of the RF or sound hardware used) as the base. in the nextworld i know of the NEC versa product (although i have not yet heard whether the pen drivers are available) but do not have any leads with regard to RF or sound products that might work with it. it has been suggested that there may be some DOS world RF products that work by appearing like a ethernet card at the hardware level, therefore making it straightforward to get working with nextstep. does anybody have any specific experience or information on putting together this kind of a platform? ---------------------------------- Keith Willard Laboratory Medicine and Pathology University of Minnesota <keithw@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu>
From: pas@phantom.com (Paul Shetler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 16 Mb. Maximum on Compaq? Date: 13 Apr 1994 01:52:39 GMT Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Message-ID: <2ofj97$7f2@dockmaster.phantom.com> I'm currently running NS/FIP 3.2 on a Compaq Deskpro XE 560. This machine has 24 Mb installed, but NS only sees 16Mb at boot, with only 13.x Mb available after allocating buffers. Is there some way of getting NS to see all 24 Mb? This is particularly annoying when I'm trying to do anything with MPEG files, etc. Any and all help is appreciated! Thanks!
From: mclement@access1.digex.net (Matt Clement) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Date: 12 Apr 1994 23:05:55 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <mclement.766206180@access1> References: <2n77hm$l2o@crl2.crl.com> <neuss.765562423@maotai> <108556@cup.portal.com> Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com writes: >>>Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized and the 'e' is not? According to the book "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing", Jobs spent $100,000 to have his logo designed, and the designer decided that it looked more futuristic. He also specified that the NeXT logo should be tilted exactly 28-degrees, and specified EXACTLY the colours to be used in the logo. It is especially interesting to note that Sun had its logo designed for only $3000. Another screwup by Jobs... "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing" is a wonderful book for anyone who's been following the Apple/NeXT saga. -- Matt mclement@access.digex.net
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is it possible to change the title bar from the command line? Date: 13 Apr 1994 00:27:24 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2ofaos$1o6@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <Co5Jwz.xI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> irogers@theme.music.indiana.edu (Ian Rogers) wrote in comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc > >Using Terminal (or Stuart if it's possible), can one change the title >bar from the command-line? > >Please e-mail responses. > >Thanks, >ian >-- > >Ian Rogers >Variations Technical Coordinator, Indiana University Music Library >irogers@indiana.edu Read the online manual in Stuart. I have the following zsh function defined in .cshrc chpwd () { echo -n "^[]2;$USERNAME@$HOST:$(print -D $PWD)^G" } If you want to do in on an adhoc basis then you have to form the escape sequences and echo then whenever. See the stuart utility "osc" for more details relating to stuart. osc _may_ also work with Terminal if all it's doing is outputing the appropriate escape sequence. Usage: osc [directory] [-title aTitle] [-mini aTitle] [-window aTitle] osc sends Stuart OSC sequences to its standard output. If the directory parameter is present, it is sent as part of the Directory-setting OSC sequence. With no parameters, the current working directory is used as the directory. -title causes the next string in the parameter list to be sent as part of a title-setting sequence. -mini is similar except that it only sets the miniwindow title, and -window only sets the main window title. -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Message-ID: <Apr13.032806.46868@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 03:28:06 GMT References: <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada In article <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) writes: > As I'd promised, here's a postscript file that shows the > problem I'd originally reported here. To summarize: .. > - But, on my Nextstation running NS 3.1, "preview" shows page 1 OK, > page 2 takes several (3 or 4) minutes (and slows down my > machine)--- and finally comes up OK, > page 3 or 4 never come back (the rotating "busy" icon stays there > forever, and my machine slows down quite a bit --- each character > in the shell can take a few seconds to show up), and I have to > kill the previewer process. > .. Sometimes, a very large number of errors reported to "console" (under "Tools" on the Workspace menu) can cause this problem. Writing to console can be _very_ slow, gets _way_ behind if there are many errors, and seems to rob CPU from almost everything else. Preview reports its errors there, so that may be an explanation. Try checking the console. This does not explain why the errors occur, but would explain the tremendous slow down. -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bug From: macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Message-ID: <Apr13.040021.44623@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 04:00:21 GMT References: <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada In article <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) writes: > As I'd promised, here's a postscript file that shows the > problem I'd originally reported here. To summarize: > - this file was generated by PowerPoint 3.0 running under > MS Windows 3.1. .. > - But, on my Nextstation running NS 3.1, "preview" shows page 1 OK, > page 2 takes several (3 or 4) minutes (and slows down my > machine)--- and finally comes up OK, > page 3 or 4 never come back (the rotating "busy" icon stays there > forever, and my machine slows down quite a bit --- each character > in the shell can take a few seconds to show up), and I have to > kill the previewer process. > > Could someone try it out and post their results to the net (or to me)... > Should I report this as a bug to NeXT? > I just tested it (Black, v.3.1 Preview). Two observations: 1) I changed the first line to "%!" only (which turns off some of Preview's expectations), and the file previewed with no difficulties, in less than 2 minutes, for all four pages. Everything normal. 2) I then changed it back, tried again, previewed page 1, advanced to page 2, and (from the console log) .... Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: WindowServer: Exception caught: PS-102 on host `pandora', user `macrae': Memory access exception on address 0xc0000000: invalid address (SIGSEGV), Apr 12 21:26:18 Workspace[561]: Exiting due to Window Server death Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: [ pc = 0x3ba56 Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: , from 0x36ce2 Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: , from 0x3929c Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: , from 0x38ae8 Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: , from 0x370ec Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: , from 0x37064 Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: , from 0x399c2 Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: , from 0xcf4a Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: , from 0x293fc Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WindowServer[158]: ] Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora WM[561]: DPS client library error: Error while writing to connection, DPSContext b2810, data -102 Apr 12 21:26:17 pandora Preview[855]: DPS client library error: Error while writing to connection, DPSContext 187e4, data -102 ..[other applications dying] Ouch. Uh, I think it might be a bug, but an intermittent one, because I can not consistently make this crash occur. Whatever it is, it has something to do with page 2, and probably with the image of the logo, because that is where the problems seem to begin. Man, some of that Postscript code looks weird. What have other people experienced? -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@myxa.com Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <Co6oAM.1I3@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <mclement.766206180@access1> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 05:51:57 GMT In article <mclement.766206180@access1> mclement@access1.digex.net (Matt Clement) writes: > Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com writes: > > >>>Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized and the 'e' is not? > > According to the book "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing", Jobs spent $100,000 > to have his logo designed, and the designer decided that it looked more > futuristic. He also specified that the NeXT logo should be tilted exactly > 28-degrees, and specified EXACTLY the colours to be used in the logo. It > is especially interesting to note that Sun had its logo designed for only > $3000. Another screwup by Jobs... First of all, Steve was worth what, $200 million+ at the time, and putting up a great deal of the money for the company (and has continued to put up a lot of money.) If someone with that much money is paying for a company out of his own pocket and wants to spend a paltry $100k on a nice logo for his new company, that's fine. I suppose Bill Gates is "smarter" for blowing $400K on a Porsche 959 which he can't drive (and last I heard is still impounded). I recall reading that Steve makes one or two dollars a year in salary. If so, the over five years he more than made up for the cost of the logo. As for the design requiring 28 degrees, EXACT colors, etc. that's what a designer is for. Hence the name. When you have a portrait done, you generally wouldn't want something that looks vaguely like you, you'd rather have it be as close to EXACT as possible. An architect hired to design a house specifies EXACT measurements. Or would you prefer buildings that fall down? That designer is also the same guy who did IBM, abc, UPS, and numerous others. Hence the high price. The entire story of the design is in a book about the design of the logo. The reason why NeXT is NeXT is that NEXT looked too much like EXIT. "looked more futuristic" is typical of Stross' book- no research to any depth, and no fact-checking. Sure, Sun got their logo for $3000. But they got what they paid for. Ask most people what it is, and it would take them a while to figure out exactly what it is or who it represents. The NeXT logo is pretty clear, unlike an ugly bunch of blue squiggles in a diamond. > "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing" is a wonderful book for anyone who's been > following the Apple/NeXT saga. Actually, it's an awful hatchet job which gets a lot of its information from a competitor's employees, and concentrates totally on Jobs' mistakes and personality flaws without giving any credit for what Jobs has accomplished (which are perhaps more incredible when you consider that they were accomplished in spite of his problems.) It's also amazing that his book came out just prior to the HP announcement yet he was completely oblivious of it. That and the Sun/OpenStep deal (and to a lesser extent the port of Portable Distributed Objects to DEC Alpha) have essentially rendered most of his concerns and predictions false. So much for in-depth research and insightful analysis. Even Forbes magazine saw it for what it is. It's also lame because it mentions my lame school, and even has a picture of someone from here. It's all connected to the Apple University Consortium, of which Drexel was the least significant digit. And of course it has nothing to do with NeXT. Can you say "space-filler-because-the-author-is-talking-out- his-butt-to-capitalize-on-what-he-expects-to-be-the-impending-doom-of-NeXT"? :-) -- Jonathan W. Hendry Inexpensive NeXTSTEP Consulting tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu For Your "Not-So-Mission-Critical" Apps
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? In-Reply-To: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com's message of Mon, 11 Apr 1994 12:57:16 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Apr12123002@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 19:30:02 GMT Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2 writes: Sandeep> Could someone try it out and post their results to the net (or to Sandeep> me)... Should I report this as a bug to NeXT? There are several things going on here. Whether it's a bug or not, I'm not quite sure. Let me explain: There is a protocol regarding the comments in a PostScript file, known as the "Document Structuring Conventions". These comments are easily parsed, and allow such things as previewers and print spoolers to know what fonts are going to be used, what the page boundaries are, etc. The file you posted claimed to be DSC 3.0 compliant. Stuff output by the Microsoft driver tends to be "close but not quite". However, it's unclear whether that's the problem. "Preview" tries to take advantage of the DSC comments as best it can. If it sees that the file is supposedly DSC compliant, it not only lets you page back and forth, but looks for such things as what paper size is going to be used, and adjusts the matrix and viewable area according to that. Now, looking at what happened on my screen, it seems that the file is requesting a page size that gets it a matrix that causes some poorly written PostScript down deep to go pathological. If I change the first line to "%!" instead of "%!PS-Adobe-3.0", then Preview doesn't tweak any matrices, and the file runs through (although only forward) just fine. In general, the first thing to do if a file seems to cause Preview problems, but it prints fine, is to change the first line of the file to "%!". -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === === Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power.
From: gpoc@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Gianfranco Pocecai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The Italian NEXTSTEP User Group offers ftpmail service for NEXTSTEP Users Date: 13 Apr 1994 09:40:56 GMT Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ogen8$4rc@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it> The Italian NEXTSTEP User Group offers ftpmail service for NEXTSTEP Users. Ftpmail is an email->ftp gateway. Just send your requests to ftpmail@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it. It will ftp the files and send them back to you via email. You can get the list of valid commands to the ftpmail gateway by sending an email to ftpmail@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it with 'help' in the body of the message. The default ftp site is the Italian NEXTSTEP User Group ftp site. There you can find a lot of MAB software + submissions from cs.orst.edu & sonata.cc.purdue.edu + NeXTAsnwers + FAQs + images + sounds + OOP stuff + MathPackages + Benchmarks + ... And now happy mailing!!! Gianfranco -- Gianfranco Pocecai President of The Italian NEXTSTEP User Group University of Milano - Computer Science Department Via Comelico, 39/41 20135 Milano - Italy E-mail : gpoc@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it
From: af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to regain disappeared mouse pointer? Date: 13 Apr 94 14:53:13 GMT Organization: Universites Paris VI/Paris VII - France Distribution: world Message-ID: <af.766248793@iaka> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I checked the FAQs and browsed through my archives with no luck, although I'm quite certain I have seen an article dealing with this: on various occasions, especially Cub'X Window's server crash, we end up with no mouse pointer at all. The NS window server is fine, I can click in a window, type, everything is OK except that the mouse pointer is now invisible. Logout/login does not help, only reboot :-( Someone mentioned a magical command that would bring you back the pointer. I haven't saved the article (shame). Can anyone help ? Many thanks in advance, _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health Research Labs 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (*no* NeXTmail !) Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Message-ID: <1994Apr13.120543.1589@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> <BYER.94Apr12123002@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:05:43 GMT In article <BYER.94Apr12123002@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: > >In general, the first thing to do if a file seems to cause Preview problems, >but it prints fine, is to change the first line of the file to "%!". It might be a good idea for NeXT to modify Preview to do things like that automatically. Possible? Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <espritCo7Dw0.HCH@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <neuss.765562423@maotai> <108556@cup.portal.com> <mclement.766206180@access1> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 15:04:48 GMT In article <mclement.766206180@access1> mclement@access1.digex.net (Matt Clement) writes: >Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com writes: > >>>>Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized and the 'e' is not? > >According to the book "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing", Jobs spent $100,000 >to have his logo designed, and the designer decided that it looked more >futuristic. He also specified that the NeXT logo should be tilted exactly >28-degrees, and specified EXACTLY the colours to be used in the logo. It >is especially interesting to note that Sun had its logo designed for only >$3000. Another screwup by Jobs... > >"Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing" is a wonderful book for anyone who's been >following the Apple/NeXT saga. "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing" is a load of crap any time Stross starts talking about anything technical. It was a scream to read some of his stuff to a friend who is also a S/W engineer. And if you are looking for the story behind the NeXT hardware (like the compression for the ND), don't get this book. Stross gets into a serious Jobs-slam-fest and forgets that he was writing about a hardware company as well. Actually, the way he gets around it is by saying that no one is interested in the hardware that NeXT made. -- ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Alan F. Perry | Life is short, but by achieving greater speeds alanp@eng.sun.com (work) | a man can make his life a little longer and esprit@netcom.com (home) | more affluent - Soichiro Honda
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pasqua@mv.us.adobe.com Subject: Re: How to regain disappeared mouse pointer? Message-ID: <1994Apr13.164101.26979@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <af.766248793@iaka> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:41:01 GMT In article <af.766248793@iaka> af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) writes: > ... > on various occasions, especially Cub'X Window's server crash, we end up > with no mouse pointer at all. The NS window server is fine, I can click > in a window, type, everything is OK except that the mouse pointer is now > invisible. Logout/login does not help, only reboot :-( Run the program pft in a shell. Type "showcursor" (without the quotes) and press return. Then type a ^D to exit pft. Move the mouse and the cursor should reappear. Joe Pasqua Adobe Systems Incorporated
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to regain disappeared mouse pointer? Date: 13 Apr 1994 13:36:38 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404131821.AA01552@alleg.EDU> In comp.sys.next.misc article <af.766248793@iaka> you wrote: Hi all, I checked the FAQs and browsed through my archives with no luck, although I'm quite certain I have seen an article dealing with this: on various occasions, especially Cub'X Window's server crash, we end up with no mouse pointer at all. The NS window server is fine, I can click in a window, type, everything is OK except that the mouse pointer is now invisible. Logout/login does not help, only reboot :-( Someone mentioned a magical command that would bring you back the pointer. I haven't saved the article (shame). Can anyone help ? Many thanks in advance, _Alain_ I _THINK_ (meaning I am not 100% sure, but maybe 99%) that what you want is below. I got this from Sam Streeper (If memory serves) after complaining that my mouse wouldn't reappear if BackSpace was killed. Tim #!/bin/csh -f # showcursor - a simple hack to get your cursor back; just executes # some postscript code using the pft utility /usr/bin/pft << MyEOF > /dev/null showcursor MyEOF
From: rimon@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Rimon E. Huque) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cube as X Client Date: 13 Apr 1994 17:05:06 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2oh8o2$f2e@netnews.upenn.edu> What is the easiest straight forward way to make a Cube act as an Xterminal to a SPARC IPC? What software and hardware is needed? R. Huque
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ak272@freenet.buffalo.edu (Douglas Boyce) Subject: Re: How to regain disappeared mouse pointer? Message-ID: <Co7nJE.689@freenet.buffalo.edu> Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: State University of New York At Buffalo, NY (USA) References: <af.766248793@iaka> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:33:14 GMT In a previous article, af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) says: >Someone mentioned a magical command that would bring you back the pointer. >I haven't saved the article (shame). Can anyone help ? > pft [connection to postscript server] showcursor ^D I sometimes get into this state with the recently release Fortune Backspace module. If you don't have a terminal window visible you will just have to hunt-and-double-click until you get one. -- Doug Boyce ak272@freenet.acsu.buffalo.edu NeXTmail and MIME welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: business card weight stock for laser printing? Message-ID: <1994Apr10.005950.23879@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <jgraceCnwnoA.6Dr@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 00:59:50 GMT In article <jgraceCnwnoA.6Dr@netcom.com> jgrace@netcom.com (Joseph Grace) writes: * In article <2nun0s$8jk@news.nd.edu>, * George B. Ross <gross@stimpy.ame.nd.edu> wrote: * > Hey there, I would like to print up a few business cards. * > My problem is, where can I get some business card weight * > stock that I can print on with a regular laser printer? * > Full 8.5x11 inch sheets are fine, with perforations for * > separating would be great. Also, is there anything like * > this for color printers (yeah, wishful thinking)? * the best I've found are: * Avery "Laser Business Cards", part #5371 * I have also tried a few from mail-order catalogue paper * companies with disappoining results. Note that the weight * of the paper is still somewhat light (on all the samples * I've seen). What makes the Avery cards best, in my opinion, * is the very fine micro-perforations and the very white * paper. Believe it or not, some of the business cards had * coarse and visible perforations Avery are one supplier of business cards. MACO also supply the same style of cards, and are probably somewhat cheaper than Avery. A minor product plug: our now shipping and just announced LabelWorks product supports these card styles as well as various Rolodex and index card styles, plus over 200 kinds of label products. For details, Write To: Trilithon Software, Two Ohlone, [3000 Alpine Road after 16th April] Portola Valley, California 94028. Telephone: (415) 325-0767 [(415) 851-7901 after 16th April] FAX: (415) 325-0768 [(415) 851-7902 after 16th April] E-mail: info@trilithon.com ........ Henry
From: citdem@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (MCCOLLAM, DON) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Iconable shell commands? Date: 13 Apr 1994 09:41 MST Organization: University of Arizona Distribution: world Message-ID: <13APR199409414563@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hi, folks. I have ParkPlace System's VisualWorks for my NeXT. The way it works is that a Virtual Machine (VM) - which is platform specific executable binary - "executes" (interprets) a Virtual Image (VI) - which is portable Smalltalk code. The problem is this: from the Window Manager, the only way to get two images (VI's) to execute concurrently, is to have _two_ Visual.app icons in the Dock and command-drag the separate image icons to separate Visual.app icons. Another way is to start a Terminal session and type: /LocalApps/Visual.app/Visual /path_to_image (where .../Visual is the VM). And do this for each of the images (VI's). What I'd like to do is have two Icon's that I can double click on and each simply executes the command line in a Terminal session (that starts and then terminates). Any ideas? Is there some sort of app that allows me to do this? (a sort of "Execute in terminal" app.) I suppose I could do it from CraftMan. I suppose I could write a program. But hopefully there is something simpler. Those of you who have worked with Windows (I know, "blech") know you can do this sort of thing. Is there something similar on the NeXT? Another reason for doing this is so I can call home and have my wife bring up a SLIP connection by simply double-clicking on a single icon. My wife is not computer literate. Thanks Don mccolla@snow.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? In-Reply-To: dave@prim.demon.co.uk's message of Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:05:43 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Apr13100000@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> <BYER.94Apr12123002@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> <1994Apr13.120543.1589@prim.demon.co.uk> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 17:00:00 GMT Dave Griffiths writes: Dave> It might be a good idea for NeXT to modify Preview to do things like Dave> that automatically. Possible? In this particular case, I'm not sure, since it's the PostScript itself that goes haywire. Halting problem anyone? -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === === Truth is a process, not an end.
From: samurai@wsc.com (Darcy Brockbank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to regain disappeared mouse pointer? (Fortune) Date: 13 Apr 1994 21:15:01 GMT Organization: WSC Investment Services, Inc. Disclaimer: The views represented within this posting are not necessarily those held by WSC Investment Services, Inc. Message-ID: <2ohncl$9ka@cerberus.wsc.com> References: <Co7nJE.689@freenet.buffalo.edu> In article <Co7nJE.689@freenet.buffalo.edu> ak272@freenet.buffalo.edu (Douglas Boyce) writes: > I sometimes get into this state with the recently release Fortune Backspace > module. If you're using Fortune-1.1 or lower, get the newest (1.2) version from the archives. Due to a BUG in the AppKit, Fortune-1.1 and 1.0 will occasionally go into infinite loops trying to make a TextField shrink. The bug is that with certain text in the TextField, it always thinks its size is 10000 x 5, no matter how small the font is. Please do NOT use Fortune-1.1... I'm sorry I put it out there without extensive testing... I didn't know that a TextField could hit so hard :-). - darcy
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:29:30 EDT From: <AJHJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Message-ID: <94103.162930AJHJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DarkForest I am seeking the utility DarkFOrest for NS/Intel. Orst seems only to have a Next executable. Many thanks.
From: dwestern@axysdev.krldwa.mccaw.com (Dale Western) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP... Printer problems Date: 13 Apr 1994 20:23:33 GMT Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <2ohkc5$44q@ftp-p.mccaw.com> Keywords: printer I have had this NeXT printer about 5yrs now and last night after printing a page the printer seemed to turn off. Once off, I could never get it to power up (i.e. never heard the fan start). If I used PrintManger or rebooted the machine in an attempt to force the printer to start all I would get is this funny clicking sound. It sounded like a relay or circuit break turning on and off. This would happen about 5 times before the system would report an IO error on the device. The machine is on a UPS and is usually turned off after printing with a shell script I have. After the page printed I never got a chance to turn it off myself, it just seemed to power down on its own. Any ideas? _____________________________________________________________________ Dale Western McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Axys CC Development P.O. Box 97060 Kirkland, WA 98083-9760
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: How to regain disappeared mouse pointer? Message-ID: <1994Apr13.200450.20327@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <af.766248793@iaka> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 20:04:50 GMT In article <af.766248793@iaka> af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) writes: > I checked the FAQs and browsed through my archives with no luck, > although I'm quite certain I have seen an article dealing with this: on > various occasions, especially Cub'X Window's server crash, we end up > with no mouse pointer at all. The NS window server is fine, I can click > in a window, type, everything is OK except that the mouse pointer is now > invisible. Logout/login does not help, only reboot :-( > > Someone mentioned a magical command that would bring you back the pointer. > I haven't saved the article (shame). Can anyone help ? There probably is one; but, after logging off, try entering exit as the userid in the login panel. That will restart the window server, and you should get your cursor back. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Iconable shell commands? Date: 13 Apr 1994 18:31:10 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404132327.AA19944@alleg.EDU> What I'd like to do is have two Icon's that I can double click on and each simply executes the command line in a Terminal session (that starts and then terminates). Any ideas? Is there some sort of app that allows me to do this? (a sort of "Execute in terminal" app.) I suppose I could do it from CraftMan. I suppose I could write a program. But hopefully there is something simpler. Those of you who have worked with Windows (I know, "blech") know you can do this sort of thing. Is there something similar on the NeXT? Not to ring a monotonous tone, but this is now possible through TickleServices and Scott Hess. When I read this it seemed like the perfect job for TickleServices. I sent a message to Scott asking about him about it and he took some TickleServices code he already had, modified it, made the service and then sent it to me. Now I have a service for running commands without Terminal. Added about 1500 bytes to the size of my account (of course I have TickleServices.app which is a little over 1MB). I wouldn't want Scott to get flooded with requests for services.... he was able to modify what he already had to do this so quickly, but he doesn't just sit around and wait for people to email him ideas (you don't, do you Scott?). I just wanted to use this as an example of the ease and functionality of TickleServices. If you have TickleServices and would like this new service, feel free to email me (luomat@alleg.edu) and I will send it to you asap. Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
From: starksm@genesis.mcs.com (Scott M. Stark) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: New Archie version Date: 14 Apr 1994 03:20:22 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <2oicpn$5ol@Mars.mcs.com> Keywords: Archie, Prospero Archie - A NeXT specific Archie client Archie 2.1 is a multi-architecture, 3.2 NeXTSTEP analog of George Ferguson's Xwindow based archie client. It provides all of its functionality with the niceties of the NeXTSTEP interface, as well as documents and interactive ftp sessions. The program is based on the query.[ch], ftplib.[ch], and Prospero library subset provided with George's 2.0 beta version of Xarchie. Changes This version contains a number of minor enhancements, all of which are concernced with the FTP side of the application. Specific enhancements over the 2.09a version include: "Mail Scott..." - Info submenu item that invokes a Mail.app compose session with my current email address. "What's Archie..." - Info submenu item that displays a document in the Help panel containg a general discussion of Archie as put together by Eric Anderson (eanders@sura.net). A splash of color - Yes, I finally bought a 486 color machine and just had to spice up some of the icons. Fixed the display of links - I now will resolve links in a very lazy fashion. A file item of the form "link_file -> link_target" displayed in the FTP session browser will resolve and redisplay itself when you select it. Link resolution is done with enough smarts (hopefully) to ensure that a given remote directory is only loaded once. "FTP Hosts..." - FTP submenu item that display a host/account editing panel that allows you to store commonly accessed hosts. Newly added items are saved into a .netrc style file in ~/.AppInfo/Archie.netrc. Any ~/.netrc entries you have are also loaded. Query & FTP window sizes - Both the query document windows and the interactive FTP session windows store any changes to their size so that subsequent windows use the new size. This information persists across invocations of Archie.app. Improved FTP transfer throughput - I am now performing the actual data transfer in a separate thread and the transfer rate is comparable to a command line ftp transfer. Bug fixes - I have fixed a number(most?) of the bugs that have been reported. New Limitations & Problems Hiding during FTP transfer - The "Abort" button in the transfer status panel now works. Since the status panel is displayed in a modal loop I have added a "Hide" button that allows you to dismiss the app. If you subsequently double click the app icon, the modal event loop is totally unresponsive to user events. This means that you can no longer abort the transfer using the abort button. However, note that you can abort the transfer by typing the Command-. (command key and the period key) combination because I poll NXUserAbort() each pass through the model loop. Display of links to links - Although links are now resolved and displayed when you select a "link -> link_target" style browser entry, if the link_target is also a link, I am not trying to resolve it. For problems existing in the previous version still not addressed, see the Readme section of the Help. Send in your comments I appreciate the input you have provided for previous versions, and I encourage all to continue to send me suggestions, and bugs, no matter how small. And finally, obtaining Archie The binary may now be obtained via anonymous ftp from the pub/next/submissions (usually moved to pub/next/binaries/wide-area-info) directory of cs.orst.edu. I will be putting out the source in short order. Scott Stark Sun Apr 10 03:12:25 CDT 1994 starksm@genesis.mcs.com (NeXT mail accepted) -- Scott Stark Stark Internation Software 4950 N. Marine Dr. #102 Chicago, IL 60640 starksm@genesis.mcs.com (NeXT mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@news.eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: What do you do with your NeXTWorld Subscription? Message-ID: <Co8G1o.3HA@eecs.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@eecs.nwu.edu Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 04:49:00 GMT Like some of us, I was just quick enough to extend my NeXTWorld Mag subscription for addition 2-years before the dismiss announcement. :-( Does most of you leave your current subscription status untouched? and settle down with the substitute UNIX magazines even you are not likely to be interested in reading them? Or do you expect some company to take over the subscribers and offer a replacement that make more sense, such as PowerWorld??? :-) Or you simply cancel the subscription and refund your money back?? I'm curious about what my next decision will be, and particularly all of yours. Cheers, gary
From: swiet@cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Date: 14 Apr 1994 04:53:55 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, The Johns Hopkins University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2oii93$ncp@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> References: <BYER.94Apr13100000@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> In article <BYER.94Apr13100000@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: | |In this particular case, I'm not sure, since it's the PostScript itself |that goes haywire. Halting problem anyone? I doubled-clicked on the NeXT icon, hit Command-P, waited a while, and was eventually able to kill Preview from Workspace. Went dizzy watching the spinning cursor in the meantime, though. :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silver@shakti.ncst.ernet.in (Silverline Industries Ltd.) Subject: Looking for TCL ver7.3 Message-ID: <Co6xnn.36t@shakti.ncst.ernet.in> Organization: National Centre for Software Technology, India Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 09:14:10 GMT Hello all{_, CAN YOU TELL ME wher I can find tcl version 7.3 - can you telll me the ftp site for this software, thank you parthasarathy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <1994Apr14.014628.3351@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <mclement.766206180@access1> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 01:46:28 GMT In article <mclement.766206180@access1> mclement@access1.digex.net (Matt Clement) writes: * Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com writes: * > Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized * > and the 'e' is not? * According to the book "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing", * Jobs spent $100,000 to have his logo designed, and the * designer decided that it looked more futuristic. He also * specified that the NeXT logo should be tilted exactly * 28-degrees, and specified EXACTLY the colours to be used * in the logo. * It is especially interesting to note that Sun had its logo * designed for only $3000. Another screwup by Jobs... Where did this $3000 dollar figure come from? As far as I recall, the original Sun logo was designed for nothing. It was a square logo with the juxtaposed U shaped pieces. It was originally upright as opposed to tilted at 45 degrees, and the color was a revolting orange. The logo was designed by Vaughan Pratt one evening for nothing. I still have my lapel badge with the square revolting orange logo. Later on, one of the first marketroids at Sun came up with the idea of tilting the logo and changing the color. By the time this brilliant piece of marketing had been done, the old square company logo had been created out of concrete [really, cast in stone] outside what is now Building 1 on Garcia Avenue. The new purple color is some kind of non-Pantone shade which has to be specially matched every trip to the printers. Maybe that's what they paid $3K for, but it sure wasn't for the logo design. And how is the Sun logo ``Another screwup by Jobs...''? Some kind of weird non sequitur? * "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing" is a wonderful book * for anyone who's been following the Apple/NeXT saga. Stross's book has about as much mis-information as the average USENET newsgroup carries in the average year. It's a good read in some ways, but I wouldn't base any business decisions on it, and I sure wouldn't use it either as a historically accurate reference, nor an example of good journalism. ........ Henry
From: af@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (Alain Fauconnet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: POTENTIALLY SOLVED: How to regain disappeared mouse pointer? Date: 14 Apr 94 09:32:54 GMT Organization: Universites Paris VI/Paris VII - France Distribution: world Message-ID: <af.766315974@iaka> References: <af.766248793@iaka> <1994Apr13.200450.20327@seer.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks so much to all who replied, too numerous to quote here. I have now two solutions: - logout, then type "exit" in the login box - lauch the "showcursor" script (refer to previous articles -- that was the magic formula I had seen in a past article indeed) I am now awaiting the next Cub'X crash to try out the fix. It shouldn't be quite a long wait. _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health Research Labs 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr (*no* NeXTmail !) Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to regain disappeared mouse pointer? Message-ID: <1994Apr14.075931.8796@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 14 Apr 94 07:59:31 CST References: <9404131821.AA01552@alleg.edu> Organization: As little as I can get away with... Can pft (or something else) be used to load a different (larger) pointer?
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: UI observation / query. Date: 14 Apr 1994 14:27:11 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2ojgbf$4ih@steffi.demon.co.uk> As somebody who spends a lot of time in Edit I'm far too often selecting "Print" instead of "Windows" when I want to move around my edit windows. Is there anybody who thinks that the Print menu should be moved below the Services menu out of harms way? It's really the only standard nonsubmenu in b/w all the other submenus. It's just a pain occasionallly because the print panel takes a while to come up. Now I don't expect this change to occur since it's not changeable globably however, I'm interested in who else suffers from this problem and feels the same way. I'd also like to hear the original argument for positioning Print where it currently lies in the top menu. Or am I just completely uncoordinated :-) IMHO: _ALL_ one action nonsubmenus should be grouped together and not placed in b/w submenus. -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoff Kuenning) Subject: Re: French Spelling Checker References: <Co44pt.G9w@cc.umontreal.ca> Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Message-ID: <1994Apr14.174759.28963@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 17:47:59 GMT Ispell 3.1 comes with a NextStep interface and pointers to French dictionaries. It is available from ftp.cs.ucla.edu, in the pub/ispell-3.1 directory. It does *not* do checking in real time, but it does provide support for multiple languages. -- Geoff Kuenning geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu geoff@ITcorp.com
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: UI observation / query. Date: 14 Apr 1994 17:55:44 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ok030$49d@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2ojgbf$4ih@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2ojgbf$4ih@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >As somebody who spends a lot of time in Edit I'm far too often >selecting "Print" instead of "Windows" when I want to move around my edit >windows. > >Is there anybody who thinks that the Print menu should be moved below >the Services menu out of harms way? If its just Edit.app or a few apps that you want this changed, you can use IB to edit Edit.app/English.lproj/Edit.nib to reorder main menu items to whatever you like. Obviously, I don't think there is an easy global solution which does this for all apps in one shot. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXT and MIME mails OK)
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStep on DEC Alpha? Date: 14 Apr 1994 20:31:49 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2ok97l$rug@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I see that DEC is demonstrating something (on UIUC campus) called "the Alpha PC and the PCMTE -- running NextStep" on April 22nd. Does this mean NextStep users should rush out and buy a DEC Alpha and run all of their NeXT software on this very fast machine? The announcment under comp.sys.next.announce said something about DEC using a NeXT POD, but didn't mention that the NeXTStep OS would be available. What's going on? Jim Beauchamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca (Terry Wilcox) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <Co92oK.JEn@arcane.calgary.ab.ca> Sender: terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca (Terry Wilcox) Organization: Arcane Systems Ltd. References: <mclement.766206180@access1> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:57:55 GMT Matt Clement writes >the colours to be used in the logo. It is especially interesting >to note that Sun had its logo designed for only $3000. Another >screwup by Jobs... Sun's budget for its logo certainly shows. Why is paying for a real logo a screwup? The NeXT logo is certainly more impressive than Sun's. >"Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing" is a wonderful book for anyone >who's been following the Apple/NeXT saga. I would think it's a bit too biased for 'anyone'. Most Jobs bashers seem to like it, but otherwise reviews are mixed. Terry Wilcox -- Terry Wilcox (terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca) `Some praise at morning what they blame at night; But always think the last opinion right.' - Alexander Pope
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <1994Apr14.020648.3562@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <Co6oAM.1I3@dsinc!flash> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 02:06:48 GMT In article <Co6oAM.1I3@dsinc!flash> flash!jon@myxa.com writes: * In article <mclement.766206180@access1> * mclement@access1.digex.net (Matt Clement) writes: * > According to the book "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing", * > Jobs spent $100,000 to have his logo designed, and the * > designer decided that it looked more futuristic. He also * > specified that the NeXT logo should be tilted exactly * > 28-degrees, and specified EXACTLY the colours to be used * > in the logo. It is especially interesting to note that * > Sun had its logo designed for only $3000. Another screwup * > by Jobs... * First of all, Steve was worth what, $200 million+ at the * time, and putting up a great deal of the money for the * company (and has continued to put up a lot of money.) If * someone with that much money is paying for a company out * of his own pocket and wants to spend a paltry $100k on a * nice logo for his new company, that's fine. I suppose Bill * Gates is "smarter" for blowing $400K on a Porsche 959 which * he can't drive (and last I heard is still impounded). My feelings, though, are that even rich people starting a new company venture ought to think a little frugally. I've seen a lot of outfits around here spending their money on important stuff like rosewood desks instead of fripperies like UNIX source licenses and workstations for the programmers. Watched them go out of business also. Did anybody read the piece in Carroll's book about the founding of Kaleida? Goldhaber wanted to run it like a startup. But it had the IBM ``throw goldfish to the cats'' mindset. So the marketroids went out and spent $100,000 on BUSINESS CARDS. Goldhaber told people to use PostIt notes with dollar bills stuck to them as business cards, to provide a better feel for what they were spending on flim flam. * I recall reading that Steve makes one or two dollars a year * in salary. Well, at last, Steve and I have SOMETHING in common. * If so, the over five years he more than made up for the * cost of the logo. <<<<< Munch >>>>> * Sure, Sun got their logo for $3000. But they got what they * paid for. Ask most people what it is, and it would take * them a while to figure out exactly what it is or who it * represents. The NeXT logo is pretty clear, unlike an ugly * bunch of blue squiggles in a diamond. Actually, I think that's true of many company logos. You kind of either know them or not. Quick, what company has three red diamonds for its logo? When you see the three red diamonds, do you think of the name of the company? * > "Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing" is a wonderful book * > for anyone who's been following the Apple/NeXT saga. * Actually, it's an awful hatchet job which gets a lot of * its information from a competitor's employees, Most of its mis-information. I haven't seen a book with so many mistakes in some time, down to getting people's names and pictures mixed up. * and concentrates totally on Jobs' mistakes and personality * flaws without giving any credit for what Jobs has accomplished * (which are perhaps more incredible when you consider that * they were accomplished in spite of his problems.) * It's also amazing that his book came out just prior to the * HP announcement yet he was completely oblivious of it. It's in the same camp as the FUD editorial masquerading as an article that Pascal Zachary wrote in the Wall Street Journal, carefully timed to appear on the morning of NextWorld Expo, BEFORE the NeXT/HP announcement. True to form, there was zero followup on the announcement after the fact. * That and the Sun/OpenStep deal (and to a lesser extent the * port of Portable Distributed Objects to DEC Alpha) have * essentially rendered most of his concerns and predictions * false. So much for in-depth research and insightful analysis. Up until last NextWorld Expo, the San Jose Mercury were busy writing articles of gloom and doom about NeXT -- one editorial was titled ``Too Little, Too Late'' and was full of the usual journalistic claptrap about the history of the industry. Since Expo, the Merc have had zero coverage of either the NeXT/HP announcement nor the OpenStep stuff. I wrote and asked the editor for her comments on the announcements, and of course, she declined to acknowledge my letter. ``So much for in-depth research and insightful analysis'' -- somebody famous said this recently, I wish I'd said it first. ........ Henry
From: thor@sushi.uib.no Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: How to use grave/circummflex Date: 14 Apr 1994 23:26:53 GMT Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Distribution: world Message-ID: <2okjft$ou5@due.uninett.no> I need to input some text in Croatian. I know that accent keys are dead to allow placing over letters, but the grave and circumflex don\t wait for a letter - they move on to the next place. I haven\t tried yet, but if cedilla (for French) is the same, I\d like a fix... BTW - Keyboard.app doesn\t seem to work for me (look at my apostrephes as an example...), I don\t get a keyboard picture, even after clicking on Add... I\m using mappings I modified under 2.1 and have used without problem since. Well, up to now. Please email replies. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | "This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known..." University of Bergen | -Jim Morrison, The Doors NORWAY | edmtl@edb.uib.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep on DEC Alpha? Message-ID: <2okliv$8ln@inxs.concert.net> From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Date: 15 Apr 1994 00:02:39 GMT References: <2ok97l$rug@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Distribution: world Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT In article <2ok97l$rug@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: > I see that DEC is demonstrating something (on UIUC campus) called > "the Alpha PC and the PCMTE -- running NextStep" on April 22nd. > > Does this mean NextStep users should rush out and buy a DEC Alpha and run all > of their NeXT software on this very fast machine? > > The announcment under comp.sys.next.announce said something about DEC using > a NeXT POD, but didn't mention that the NeXTStep OS would be available. > > What's going on? Jim, you might get a glimpse of PDO running under OSF/1 via the Alpha, however a native NeXTSTEP port to the Alpha is a distance off, to be released AFTER the SPARC port (post Q1, '95) Much of the interest in the MTE has wained due to the XL's popularity and upgradability, although NeXT has still fail to certify the box as late as the April 9, 1994 Hardware Compatibility Guide. The Alpha Upgrade for the XL is not expected to be released until June or July of this year and pricing has not be established, that goes also for what will be called the XL 590 (90 Mhz Pentium). Dave Briggman -- Paradigm Shift Corporation info@paradigm-shift.com A NeXT Object Channel Partner 919.682.8553 [Voice] Hardware, Software & Peripherals 919.682.1126 [Fax] ******** P.O. BOX 14565, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 ********
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: UI observation / query. Date: 14 Apr 1994 23:52:39 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2okhfn$b0a@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2ojgbf$4ih@steffi.demon.co.uk> <2ok030$49d@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu wrote in comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software >In article <2ojgbf$4ih@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >>As somebody who spends a lot of time in Edit I'm far too often >>selecting "Print" instead of "Windows" when I want to move around my edit >>windows. >> >>Is there anybody who thinks that the Print menu should be moved below >>the Services menu out of harms way? > >If its just Edit.app or a few apps that you want this changed, >you can use IB to edit Edit.app/English.lproj/Edit.nib to reorder >main menu items to whatever you like. Yes unfortunately every app today abides to the UI guide lines. This is like the original PB hack though even though the change is trivial you have this non-standard set up then. Perhaps there's call for a MenuSubclass that allows ordering through the defaults database? Yes that only will effect new app's though. Hypothesizing for just one second. As only the top level menu is of concern it would be pretty trivial to do actually. Like Window internally consults defaults for sizing/positing etc so too could Menu based on it's Title. In the case of an App typically it's App name. All the user would do to rearrange things is to specify defaults based on the Title. The default entry would just be an ordered by preference list of Cell titles. Just a thought. -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Requesting simple RTF->text tool Message-ID: <65428@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 11 Apr 94 20:22:05 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Could someone send me a simple RTF to text (or TeX,etc.) tool? I don't want to use RTF Tools 1.10 because it uses imake. I know about rtf2ascii in NeXT's directory. I do not want to use it. I need rtf conversion for a non-next machine. Thanks Mark Stankus
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Question: OpenStep and 3.2 vs 3.3 Message-ID: <65497@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 12 Apr 94 17:04:19 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Can openstep implementers implement enhancements to 3.2 (like 3.3 stuff not it 3.2) or are those changes propriotory? Is openstep going to be frozen where it is or can it chase new versions of nextstep if it wants? If the openstep specification varies over time, can a product be openstep compliant one day and not the next? Mark Stankus
From: pgeiss@dali.uphys.uni-heidelberg.de (Peter Geissler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cirrus Logic Graphics Mode Date: 15 Apr 1994 08:23:48 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <2oliuk$bjs@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Hello! I have NextStep running on a 486 with a Cirrus Logic VLB graphics adapter installed. By default, the display mode is set to 1024x768x2. How can I select a different mode, e.g. 800x600x2 or 800x600x16 ? I am using the Cirrus Logic Driver which was on the NextStep CD-Rom. Thanks in advance for any help, Peter Geissler pgeiss@dali.uphys.uni-heidelberg.de == NEXT MAIL WELCOME ==
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! Win LPR to Next 400 dpi. Message-ID: <2okbpo$8nd@algol.ksc.nasa.gov> From: dave-crawford@ksc.nasa.gov (David E. Crawford) Date: 14 Apr 1994 21:15:36 GMT Organization: NASA Kennedy Space Center Anyone know if there is a Windows 3.1 printer driver that can be used with a NeXT 400 dpi Level II printer? Is there an equivalent/generic Canon printer driver that will work? I'm attempting to use our NeXT cube as an lpr host, with a winsock compatible lpr client on the pc (wlprspl). I was able to use the windows generic text-only driver with no problems for dumb text printing, but would like to add graphic/font capability as well. Have tried the Canon LBP drivers that come with windows 3.1, and keep getting "unexpected end of file" errors when trying to print. Please email, will summarize the voluminous mass of responses. Thanks in advance. David dave-crawford@ksc.nasa.gov
From: me@vigor.anatomy.upenn.edu (Joe Panico) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep on DEC Alpha? Date: 14 Apr 1994 23:29:56 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Distribution: world Message-ID: <2okjlk$l5k@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <2ok97l$rug@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <2ok97l$rug@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: > I see that DEC is demonstrating something (on UIUC campus) called > "the Alpha PC and the PCMTE -- running NextStep" on April 22nd. > > Does this mean NextStep users should rush out and buy a DEC Alpha and run all > of their NeXT software on this very fast machine? > > The announcment under comp.sys.next.announce said something about DEC using > a NeXT POD, but didn't mention that the NeXTStep OS would be available. > > What's going on? > > Jim Beauchamp Digital's MTE pcs use Intel microprocessors and are one of the listed systems for NSI 3.2. The XL line by DEC can run on either an Intel chip or an alpha, but I have only heard of NS running on these systems with an Intel chip. Alpine computer follows DEC's pc line very carefully and are usually on top of any developments relating to NS for them. You might try contacting Kris Magnusson at Alpine for more info. (unfortunately I lost his e-mail address so you have to look around). Joe Panico joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: dubois@primate.wisc.edu (Paul DuBois) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Requesting simple RTF->text tool Date: 15 Apr 1994 09:58:32 -0500 Organization: Castra Parvulorum Sender: dubois@uakari.primate.wisc.edu Message-ID: <2oma2pINNbr3@uakari.primate.wisc.edu> References: <65428@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> From article <65428@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, by mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus): > Could someone send me a simple RTF to text (or TeX,etc.) > tool? > > I don't want to use RTF Tools 1.10 because it uses imake. > > I know about rtf2ascii in NeXT's directory. > I do not want to use it. I need rtf conversion for a > non-next machine. RTF Tools 1.10 contains a file "make.world" in the top-level directory that's a full transcript of the "make World" output. You can look at that to see how the distribution is built. In particular, the commands that are run in the h, lib, lib-unix, and rtf2text directories would give you some idea of how to compile by hand. Or, easier, you can edit make.world to run the commands for you, although some tweaking will no doubt be necessary if you're not building on a Sun running SunOS. -- Paul DuBois dubois@primate.wisc.edu
From: ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Date: 15 Apr 1994 15:24:24 GMT Organization: Academic Computing Services, Sheffield University Message-ID: <2ombj9$p68@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <Co6oAM.1I3@dsinc!flash> <1994Apr14.020648.3562@trilithon.com> : Actually, I think that's true of many company logos. You kind of : either know them or not. Quick, what company has three red diamonds : for its logo? When you see the three red diamonds, do you think : of the name of the company? : Umm, sorry, I give up: what company has three red diamonds as its logo? (Serious question -- I feel I may be missing out on something!) Have fun, mmalcolm.
From: gregf@fpl91.Berkeley.EDU (Greg C. Foliente) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Date: 15 Apr 1994 17:00:07 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2omh6n$olm@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2ombj9$p68@hippo.shef.ac.uk> In article <2ombj9$p68@hippo.shef.ac.uk> ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) writes: > : Actually, I think that's true of many company logos. You kind of > : either know them or not. Quick, what company has three red diamonds > : for its logo? When you see the three red diamonds, do you think > : of the name of the company? > : > Umm, sorry, I give up: what company has three red diamonds as its logo? > (Serious question -- I feel I may be missing out on something!) > Mitsubishi? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg C. Foliente gregf@nature.berkeley.edu FPL, UC-Berkeley (NeXTMail) gregf@fpl91.berkeley.edu 1301 South 46th St, Richmond, CA 94804 phone: (510) 215-4282 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Date: 15 Apr 1994 18:44:14 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2omn9u$rbs@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> <BYER.94Apr12123002@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> <BYER.94Apr13100000@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Scott Byer (byer@mv.us.adobe.com) wrote: : Dave Griffiths writes: : Dave> It might be a good idea for NeXT to modify Preview to do things like : Dave> that automatically. Possible? : In this particular case, I'm not sure, since it's the PostScript itself that : goes haywire. Halting problem anyone? Hang on while I call forth the spirits of Church and Turing for your channeling enjoyment. Uh...uh...aiiighh...okay. "The halting problem is only valid in unlimited cases. Given real-world situations, the halting problem can be _sometimes_ circumvented a reasonable number of times. P=NP. The Clintons will get out of Whitewater bruised but not bloody. Don Yacktman is destined to become the Net God of Objects. Sean's upcoming release of COWS will amaze and delight. Tcl is ugly, but WavesWorld is nothing short of brilliant. NeXT will not fold, though IBM's Pen for OS/2 will, and Mike Dahmus will go on to become a shoe salesman in Cleveland ("Timberland? No, I'd go for Dexter--more people wear it, so it MUST be better"). Microsoft will never be punished by the FTC because Bill Gates has paid off the investigators. Japan is beating us not because of an unfair trade imbalance, or criminal trade practices, but because they are better than us, pure and simple." Ow. Geez, that hurt. What did I say while I was under the trance? I don't remember anything. At any rate, you could just do a timeout on bad data, or scan the document for known Bad Operators, etc. Preview's doing this kind of stuff already in other situations. Sure, the halting problem says we can't get 100% of the problems if we've got an unlimited domain, but we can probably nail 95%. +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke milk:-cows. | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu (if (cows) 'milk) | | if only I spoke for Alpine... [milk set:[cows val]]; |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? In-Reply-To: henry@trilithon.com's message of Thu, 14 Apr 1994 02:06:48 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Apr15135018@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <Co6oAM.1I3@dsinc!flash> <1994Apr14.020648.3562@trilithon.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 20:50:18 GMT Henry McGilton writes: Henry> Up until last NextWorld Expo, the San Jose Mercury were busy writing Henry> articles of gloom and doom about NeXT -- one editorial was titled Henry> ``Too Little, Too Late'' and was full of the usual journalistic Henry> claptrap about the history of the industry. Since Expo, the Merc Henry> have had zero coverage of either the NeXT/HP announcement nor the Henry> OpenStep stuff. I wrote and asked the editor for her comments on the Henry> announcements, and of course, she declined to acknowledge my letter. Henry> ``So much for in-depth research and insightful analysis'' -- somebody Henry> famous said this recently, I wish I'd said it first. Yeah, but that's standard for the Murky. For a Silicon Valley paper, it's computer oriented stories are so biased and mis-informed (in general - there are *rare* bright spots), that one wonders why they spend the ink and paper. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === === Nothing is so firmly believed as what we least know.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Re: NS/FIP 3.2 can't read Mac disk. Message-ID: <CoApGD.98w@roscom.com> Sender: monty@roscom.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Roscom References: <CnsJBp.Kxx@cunews.carleton.ca> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 10:07:24 GMT In article <CnsJBp.Kxx@cunews.carleton.ca> csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: > NeXTSTEP will only read High Density (HD) 1.4MB Mac floppies. 720K double > densities will not work. When you try to mount a 720K, NS will say its > not initialized, and ask you if you want to format it. I think you mean that 800K disks will not work. You can't format 720K disks on the Mac unless you use the 720K Floppy Disk Formatter INIT. 720K disks should work. -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty@roscom.com
From: william@moomin.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Date: 15 Apr 1994 22:16:04 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2on3n4$15o@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <BYER.94Apr15135018@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> In article <BYER.94Apr15135018@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: > Yeah, but that's standard for the Murky. For a Silicon Valley paper, > it's computer oriented stories are so biased and mis-informed > (in general - there are *rare* bright spots), that one wonders why > they spend the ink and paper. > Wow!! I feel much better. Every now and then, I get an overwhelming urge to read Dilbert, buy the SJMN, and it *always* boggles me. I've managed to miss every single one of the "*rare* bright spots" that Scott refers to. It's always crappy. Are there many SJMN readers out there ? We could write a joint letter ... Bill Grosso
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Daydream Mac box Message-ID: <1994Apr14.224533.4293@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <1994Apr7.051604.4603@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:45:33 GMT In article <1994Apr7.051604.4603@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> znih!dbhinz (David Hinz) writes: > What's the general opinion in the NewsGroups about the Daydream > box which allows you Nextstation become a Macintosh. For > $600.00 or so it seems like a good deal. > > I'm considering buying one, unless there are some very strong > opinions against it. Has anyone used it, or purchased it yet? > I've seen it two months ago and I was very impressed. It is (almost) a full Quadra 900 if running on a "simple" mono station (all ports are supported, SCSI, asynch, sound). I understand they also support color now. Support for the NeXTlaser and the 040 math processor is included. And it comes with System 7.1 on it... It is fully functional. The Ethertalk is fully implemented and running. The Screen is much better tan anything I saw on a Mac. And all apps were running (with the excemption of PhotoShop) and we found no problem with any of the Mac functions. The only hassle is the booting procedure when changing from NS to Mac and vice versa. But you get a real Mac, no emulation! -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-76703 Kraichtal | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CASIO <-> NS Date: 16 Apr 1994 00:58:53 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2onrad$sh1@panix2.panix.com> This is rather mundane, but.... I have a little casio digital diary. It is great, and there is software for various platforms (PC and Suns, Mac) to allow I/O for the data. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing for NS/i ?? I am very curious, and if you have not heard of anything, but are in the same boat, tell me... --thanks, RS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yting@netcom.com (Yu-Han (John) Ting) Subject: Number 9 GXE Level 14 driver for 3.2? Message-ID: <ytingCoCED4.Ipp@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 08:03:03 GMT Does anybody know when will the driver supposed to be out by the end of the 1ST quarter be available? Many thanks in advance. Yu-Han Ting
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.hnv.icem.de(Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: Converting graphics Message-ID: <CoAxw4.A4@euler.hnv.icem.de> Sender: js@euler.hnv.icem.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <2obtnt$meq@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:09:39 GMT In article <2obtnt$meq@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca> volks@uoguelph.ca (Lorraine P Vanwingerden) writes: > Hello, > What is the best software to use to convert PC bitmap files (.bmp) > to something compatible in NeXT (black hardware) say, TIFF, JPEG, etc. > Software recommendations for either the PC or for NeXT will be > appreciated. I know of software for the PC which can save in different > formats, but these are full-blown graphics packages. I am simply > looking for small apps or conversion tools. You could either use ImageViewer.app ( I am not 100% sure it can handle .bmp though) or get the pbmplus tools, which gets you command-line converters for lots of bitmap-formats. Juergen --- Juergen Sell E-Mail js@icem.de ( NeXTMail ok ) Deisterstr. 18 Fax ++49-511-440617 BRD 30449 Hannover Fon ++49-511-440688 == What time do we live in when all the word 'revolution' makes you think of == is a new generation of soap powder ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: naubertp@cognos.COM (Patrick Naubert) Subject: Alert & help : Newbie trying to Doom... Message-ID: <1994Apr16.125525.18390@cognos.com> Sender: news@cognos.com (News Administrator) Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa CANADA Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 12:55:25 GMT Hi there ! Just got a lender (NeXT pizzabox, running 3.0) and I want to get instant gratification by running Doom on it... Bummer: - Downloaded DoomLauncher1.0 from cs.orst.edu - Downloaded Doom.app from cs.orst.edu Uncompressed Doom, and untarred DoomLauncher. I put them both in my home dir (/naubertp) and /LocalApps. The console tells me "Workspace: Cannot exec" when I double-click on DoomLaunch.app directory. If I go into that dir and do "./DoomLaunch" I am told "Bad Executable (or shared library). I did a strings on that file and saw the shlib it's using; it matches what I have in /usr/shlib. When I double click on "Doom", the console tells me "Cannot exec" too. But when I go into the directory and type "./Doom", I get "./Doom: [garbage]: not found" and "./Doom: syntax error at line 2 : '[garbage] unexpected". I am not new to Unix, but I am an anklebiter in the Next world. Thanks for the help! Patrick Naubert naubertp@cognos.com -- TEst in home
From: dmuir@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Douglas Muir) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OpenStep for $100 Date: 16 Apr 1994 16:51:38 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi, I'm part of a group that's thinking about implementing a $100 OpenStep implementation. We think Next's NextStep OS is great, but its high price is a major reason why not many people have it. Now that Next is releasing the system independent features of NextStep (the spec. is called OpenStep), some friends and I have started to think about starting a software company to write an inexpensive implementation. However, it would be stupid to go through all the work to write such a thing if nobody would want it, so I'd like to get some feedback from the net community. Lets suppose that our final product is as much of a NextStep clone as possible (to be determined by the OpenStep spec, but most NextStep features should be included). It probably will *not* be binary compatible with NextStep, but in most cases a simple recompile should do the trick. It should also have the same feel and features as NextStep (such as display postscript & same GUI) but will *not* have things like Renderman, Pantone color, and possibly a mach based unix, which would be too expensive to license (instead we would use something like linux). We would also use DPS on top of X windows so your standard X programs would run. * If this product was priced at or around $100, would you buy it? * * (assume we can write it :-) Please send email to the address below! * Also, what are the most important factors involved in your decision? GUI, number of available applications, power, user friendliness, price, hardware requirements, compatibility with other OS's (windows emulator), etc.? I will *NOT*, repeat *NOT*, use your response to form a list of potential customers unless you explicitly ask me to. We think that there are three types of people who might want this, 1) people who want nextstep but can't afford it, 2) people who use unix at work and want it at home but want a nicer interface so their family can use it too, 3) hacker/techie/student types like ourselves. Thanks for your input! -Doug Muir dmuir@mit.edu PS. We know about gnustep but think that the OS would do better with a company behind it. PPS. Yes, this is the same group that posted on n.programmers.
From: rogata@is-next.umd.edu (Richard Scott Ogata) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Date: 16 Apr 1994 17:03:02 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <2op5o6$scq@umd5.umd.edu> References: <mclement.766206180@access1> <Co92oK.JEn@arcane.calgary.ab.ca> >Matt Clement writes >>"Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing" is a wonderful book for anyone >>who's been following the Apple/NeXT saga. > I saw a copy of this book at Borders. Happy to see something on NeXT, I picked it up and opened to a random page. It was filled with an incredible amount of sniping petty comments. I opened to another, and found the same thing. Looked like a hatchet job to me. Rich Ogata rogata@arpa.mil
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NS3.2 and C++ (Does 3.2 come with a c++ compiler) Followup-To: poster Date: 16 Apr 1994 17:21:51 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2op6rf$c7j@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Keywords: c++, NeXTStep I know that this is probably a stupid question, but here goes... I have a copy of NS3.2 (both User and Developer) on my system. In the /bin directory there is a program called cc++. When I use it to compile a c++ program I have written, it gets NO compile errors. However, when it attempts to link the program, it cannot find certain things and I *know* that I am not forgetting to declare or include anything. Does anyone know what's wrong here?? Thanks, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Date: 16 Apr 1994 12:24:09 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404161724.AA19688@alleg.EDU> Would it be out of line to ask this discussion to shift over to comp.sys.next.advocasy ? It would seem the more appropriate place to discuss the relative merits of who paid more for their logo and who was nasty to who when where and why... Just my opinion... Tim -- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu NeXT Mail Welcomed MIME Not Box 931 Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 USA
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: OpenStep for $100---or NS drivers? Date: 16 Apr 1994 18:31:05 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <2opat9$blg@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> The alternative to running Openstep is running NeXTStep. Unfortunately, this is often impossible due to hardware requirements, even on the Intel platform. So, I might be an openstep for linux. However: My first choice would be a company that sold and supported lots of NS drivers for 3rd party hardware. Right now, I'd be willing to pay $100 for a good reliable supported NCR PCI SCSI driver, $100 for an ATI Ultra GX-Pro driver for rev 1-3 that can do 1280*1024 in 72Hz (as it can under Windows), and $200 for a driver for the newest ATI 64bit card that can do a speedy 1280*1024*16 @72Hz. I am sure other people feel like me. Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for $100 Date: 16 Apr 1994 19:08:22 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- InterNetNews site Distribution: world Message-ID: <2opd36$fek@paperboy.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> dmuir@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Douglas Muir) writes: > Hi, I'm part of a group that's thinking about implementing a $100 > OpenStep implementation. We think Next's NextStep OS is great, but its > high price is a major reason why not many people have it. Now that Next > is releasing the system independent features of NextStep (the spec. is > called OpenStep), some friends and I have started to think about > starting a software company to write an inexpensive implementation. > However, it would be stupid to go through all the work to write such a > thing if nobody would want it, so I'd like to get some feedback from the > net community. > ................STUFF DELETED.......................... > We think that there are three types of people who might want this, 1) > people who want nextstep but can't afford it, 2) people who use unix at > work and want it at home but want a nicer interface so their family can > use it too, 3) hacker/techie/student types like ourselves. > I guess I'm in all three of these categories, but I'm not sure I want it. I like the price, but I don't know if I'd buy it if it doesn't have the full suite of objects supported by nextstep, including for example, Renderman, pantone colors, printpanel with fax support, etc, etc, etc. Unless I could get something extra, like the FULL SOURCE CODE. ;>) I don't use nextstep just because it's got lots of neat software. If that's all I wanted, I'd get a whole lot more apps for less money with a mac or windoze. There are basically three reasons I want nextstep: 1.It provides a complete heirarchy of useful tools (objects, if you want) which make all the software written with these tools work smoothly together, so I can use many programs in concert to get my work done; 2. If I can't find a program which does something I need to do, it's not impossible for me (yes, even a busy scientist with minimal programming skills like me) to write some code to do it. And that code can access all the OS tools, and even some tools provided by other apps. 3. It looks sexy. I might try out FREE software that has some power, even if it doesn't have the sexy look or full toolset, (i.e. gnustep/linux) but if I'm going to pay $100 for a partially-supported product with a partial set of tools, I think I'd squeeze out $500 more to get the whole banana. Now, if there's no way I can GET the whole banana for less than $3K, well, then I'd look real carefully at exactly what $100 might buy compared to gnustep/linux. But of course the great advantage of linux has been that because of its non-proprietary nature, it's got a worldwide team of pretty sharp programmers all contributing to it for free. What tools would you provide that gnustep doesn't, that might make me want to give up the advantages of having a non-proprietary OS? Or ARE you planning to make source available? --Bob-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Control: cancel <2odkhf$3gr@herald.indirect.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,pgh.general From: alex@hal.rhein-main.de (Alexander Lehmann) Subject: REPOST: cmsg cancel <2odkhf$3gr@herald.indirect.com> Message-ID: <CoCurv.Gp@hal.rhein-main.de> References: <SuperBot.1710@megalith.miami.fl.us> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 13:57:30 GMT Due to a format error in the Date: line, this message could not be processed by cnews. SuperBot (SuperBot@megalith.miami.fl.us) wrote: : cancel <2odkhf$3gr@herald.indirect.com> : from nike@indirect.com (Laurence Canter) : in newsgroup(s) comp.sys.next.misc,pgh.general : : This article canceled bye an automated AREXX Script
From: paulw@boludar.revco.com (Paul Winkeler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is Next Postscript outdated? Date: 16 Apr 1994 01:23:48 GMT Organization: Revco D.S. Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2onen4$9a6@hptwin.revco.com> References: <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> In comp.sys.next.misc article <Co3InH.M0B@cvbnet.CV.COM> skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) wrote: > As I'd promised, here's a postscript file that shows the > problem I'd originally reported here. To summarize: > - this file was generated by PowerPoint 3.0 running under > MS Windows 3.1. > - it has 4 pages. All the pages are similar looking and contain > a small scanned-in image in addition to text. > - It prints fine on a QMS 1700 postscript printer, > and, what's more, even previews fine under Sun OS 4.1.3, Openwindows > 3.0 "Pageview" (amazing, since the NeXT previewer is usually much > better than this) You can now add to that description that under NS3.2 on black hardware using the demo version of Tailor (from the archives) things work just fine. Furthermore I took a look at the PS code in that file you attached and, although I admittedly spent 5 years working on Phoenix Technologies' PostScript interpreter (you know, the one in Calcomp, Seiko color printers and in PacificData cartride equipped machines) I must say that even 5 minutes with the Adobe BlueBook would show you what incredibly crummy PS code that is. Yuk! Typical hack-and-slash MicroSoft crud again, PaulW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sed@netcom.com (Sean Dreilinger) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <sedCoEEIC.6oC@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2n77hm$l2o@crl2.crl.com> <neuss.765562423@maotai> <108556@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 10:01:24 GMT >judson@crl.com (Michael Judson) writes: >Why does NeXT have the 'N,' 'X,' and 'T' capitalized and the 'e' is not? Read all about it in the following book. Rand also did the IBM logo. You get the designer's point-of-view and a look at outtakes from both logo designs. -- Sean Dreilinger, usually sean@durak.gslis.ucla.edu Author: Rand, Paul, 1914- Title: Design, form, and chaos / Paul Rand. New Haven : Yale University Press, 1993. Description: xii, 218 p. : chiefly ill. (some col.) ; 27 cm. Subjects: Commercial art. Design.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT as a PPP server Message-ID: <1994Apr16.132619.16312@cc.usu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 16 Apr 94 13:26:19 MDT Organization: As little as I can get away with... I want to set up a network connected NeXT as a PPP server for a Mac I have at home. Is there any PPP software available for a NeXT? Is this something a mere mortal should attempt? Thanks, kc
From: rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for $100 Date: 17 Apr 1994 13:42:22 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2orsdu$bq0@panix2.panix.com> References: <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Douglas Muir (dmuir@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) wrote: : Hi, I'm part of a group that's thinking about implementing a $100 : OpenStep implementation. We think Next's NextStep OS is great, but its : high price is a major reason why not many people have it. Now that Next : is releasing the system independent features of NextStep (the spec. is : called OpenStep), some friends and I have started to think about : starting a software company to write an inexpensive implementation. : However, it would be stupid to go through all the work to write such a : thing if nobody would want it, so I'd like to get some feedback from the : net community. : Lets suppose that our final product is as much of a NextStep clone as : possible (to be determined by the OpenStep spec, but most NextStep : features should be included). It probably will *not* be binary : compatible with NextStep, but in most cases a simple recompile should do : the trick. It should also have the same feel and features as NextStep : (such as display postscript & same GUI) but will *not* have things like : Renderman, Pantone color, and possibly a mach based unix, which would be : too expensive to license (instead we would use something like linux). : We would also use DPS on top of X windows so your standard X programs : would run. : * If this product was priced at or around $100, would you buy it? * This sounds superb, but it begs a question. Why not go the linux way ? I mean if you want to encourage developers to use NS, well PD is the way to go. Maybe OpenStep won't allow this, that would be sad. : * (assume we can write it :-) Please send email to the address below! * : Also, what are the most important factors involved in your decision? : GUI, number of available applications, power, user friendliness, price, : hardware requirements, compatibility with other OS's (windows emulator), : etc.? I will *NOT*, repeat *NOT*, use your response to form a list of : potential customers unless you explicitly ask me to. : We think that there are three types of people who might want this, 1) : people who want nextstep but can't afford it, 2) people who use unix at : work and want it at home but want a nicer interface so their family can : use it too, 3) hacker/techie/student types like ourselves. I think everybody would want it, but I agrre with you here as well. I still think charging $100- is a bit much. Why not do it, and release it for free on the net, and ask for contributions. I, myself, am willing to contribute before the prodcut is produced. I will be happy to work on it on a volunteer basis, and contribute dollars, if it comes out PD. Any other takers? A small aside, I gladly paid the rediculous $1000- for NS 3.2, no support. I am still a bit burned about it, but I can take it off my taxes, so its OK. With the price and all other issues, NS is still the best thing I've ever used, X11 is simply sad in comparison. Sorry, I decended into an advocacy strain. I hope you go for it, and yes, of course, I'd pay the $100- bucks, and your welcome to put me on your list. --thanks, RS
From: rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: For the rest of us Date: 17 Apr 1994 13:50:18 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2orssq$ccb@panix2.panix.com> Two simple questions. 1. OK, I'm lazy, and I'm still using Terminal.app to do some stuff. Problem is this black on white is giving me epilepsy. HELP ME!! 2. I have gateway spew-thousand, with a stupid PC keyboard. Keyboard.app is cool, but I need to remap the Control key & Escape key (sound familiar, emacs users ??). Keyboard.app doesn't seem to do it. Any ideas ?? Or am I just stupid (the answer, is yes, but no flames please). --thanks, RS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: rtf to ascii Message-ID: <1994Apr17.184501.28745@pcp.ca> Keywords: rtf, ascii Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 94 18:45:01 GMT Hello there: What is the command-line command to convert a file from rtf to ascii? I know how to use the Text methods to accomplish this but I would like the command-line command for a shell script which I'm writing. Thanks, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca alex@oolesson.com
From: icardena@dcl-nxt12 (Ian Patrick Cardenas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: rtf to ascii Date: 17 Apr 1994 19:29:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2os2n1$fob@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Apr17.184501.28745@pcp.ca> Keywords: rtf, ascii I've heard it was rtf2ascii, but on my machine the command is rtf-ascii. -Ian -- *x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x* "I would if I could X Ian P Cardenas X but I can't X CS major at UIUC X so I'll learn" -IPC X icardena@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu X
From: wjadams@hubcap.clemson.edu (William J Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: InstantTeX prob on nx/fip 3.2 Date: 17 Apr 94 22:57:13 GMT Organization: Clemson University Message-ID: <wjadams.766623433@hubcap> I'm running NeXTSTEP 3.2 / fip and just got down the "latest version" that I've been able to find of Instant TeX, and installed it. It claims, in the installation package that it supports white hardware. Unfortunately it wouldn't completely install, the program called after installation (TeXViewremover.app) is only for blackhardware. I tried to get around that, and it did install, but my computer said the programs had been damaged. Anybody have any idea? Thanks, Bill D. Hippie Cat ps. You can mail me directly at wjadams@hubcap.clemson.edu. pps. I got the program down from cs.orst.edu. It was dated july 1993.
From: mcgredo@crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: rtf to ascii Date: 17 Apr 1994 20:11:20 -0700 Organization: YoyoDyne Propulsion Systems Message-ID: <2ostoo$aeo@crl.crl.com> References: <1994Apr17.184501.28745@pcp.ca> <2os2n1$fob@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: rtf, ascii In article <2os2n1$fob@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> icardena@dcl-nxt12 (Ian Patrick Cardenas) writes: :> I've heard it was rtf2ascii, but on my machine the command is rtf-ascii. On my 3.2 machine it's in /usr/bin. Not sure if it's there by default in 2.x; I've got in in /usr/local/bin, but that might just be me. -- Don McGregor | "If there is a God, the Cardinal de Richelieu mcgredo@crl.com | will have much to answer for. If not...well, | he had a successful life."
From: rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: For the rest of us Date: 18 Apr 1994 00:04:23 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Message-ID: <2ot0s7$g69@panix2.panix.com> References: <2orssq$ccb@panix2.panix.com> Russell Silverman (rsilver@panix.com) wrote: : Two simple questions. : 1. OK, I'm lazy, and I'm still using Terminal.app to do some : stuff. Problem is this black on white is giving me epilepsy. : HELP ME!! : 2. I have gateway spew-thousand, with a stupid PC keyboard. : Keyboard.app is cool, but I need to remap the Control key : & Escape key (sound familiar, emacs users ??). Keyboard.app : doesn't seem to do it. Any ideas ?? Or am I just stupid : (the answer, is yes, but no flames please). : --thanks, RS Yuck, who is this idiot!! Keyboard.app does this and so much more. If you are suffering from keyboard discomfort, fire it up and go to town. Great program, what else is new.... Still looking for number one, but if you have sympathy for one so boney-headed, you will simply put a kill next to my name. --thanks, RS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: OpenStep for $100 Message-ID: <1994Apr17.154333.2954@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 15:43:33 GMT In article <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> dmuir@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Douglas Muir) writes: >Hi, I'm part of a group that's thinking about implementing a $100 >OpenStep implementation. We think Next's NextStep OS is great, but its >high price is a major reason why not many people have it. Now that Next >is releasing the system independent features of NextStep (the spec. is >called OpenStep), some friends and I have started to think about >starting a software company to write an inexpensive implementation. >However, it would be stupid to go through all the work to write such a >thing if nobody would want it, so I'd like to get some feedback from the >net community. I don't think the OpenStep API (ie the current AppKit) is particuarly good, and I'd be more interested in a new design that learned from the mistakes of the AppKit. I'm sure if the original AppKit designers had the chance to start over again, they'd do things differently - this is the nature of prototyping. So why not make the most of the opportunity to improve upon OpenStep? NeXT and Sun can't 'cos they're hands are tied by backwards compatibility. You're forcing yourselves to perpetuate things like the Text class. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Dave@NexusAdmin.COM(David W. Fahrney) Subject: Re: Dial-In on NS/Intel, nothing but gibberish. Message-ID: <CoDL87.HM@nexusadmin.com> Sender: dave@nexusadmin.com (David W. Fahrney) Organization: Nexus Administration References: <2o45n5$ai@keflavik.wordperfect.com> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 23:28:54 GMT Grettir Asmundarson writes !> I've configured my NeXSTEP Intel box for dial-in. I've made the !> appropriate changes in /etc/ttys and the modem is set to Auto-Answer. !> But when I dial in and the modems connect, I get nothing but gibberish on !> the screen. I've tried dialing in using 8n1 and 7e1, but neither seems !> to be the answer. !> !> Has anyone else seen the problem? !> !> BTW, I can dial out without any problem. !> I need the answer too! Please email me if you get it. I have tried both Telebit and Supra modems with essentially the same result. BTW, using either DFax or NXFax seems to solve the problem, but not all of my customers have need of the FAX software. -- David W. Fahrney =:-) Nexus Administration VOX: 310.640.3342 INT: Dave@NexusAdmin.COM
From: starksm@genesis.mcs.com (Scott M. Stark) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Archie update with source Date: 18 Apr 1994 05:52:45 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ot77d$pih@News1.mcs.com> Keywords: Archie, Prospero This is to announce an update to Archie that includes a few minor bug fixes, and one major one that seems to be due to a bad Help.store file. The source has also been released. Files: Archie_211.tar.gz - multi arch binary Archie_211_src.tar.gz - Archie project src directory Location: cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions Scott Stark starksm@genesis.mcs.com Sun Apr 17 22:34:20 CDT 1994 -- Scott Stark Stark Internation Software 4950 N. Marine Dr. #102 Chicago, IL 60640 starksm@genesis.mcs.com (NeXT mail accepted)
From: tyf@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted : Virtuoso/Illustrator Demo Date: 18 Apr 1994 06:23:24 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2ot90s$lc2@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi, Would someone be nice enough to NeXTmail a demo copy of Virtuoso or Illustrator? All helps appreciated. Thanks. BTW : Or is there somewhere I can ftp the demo.apps electronically like ftp.adobe.com or ftp.alysis.com? -- =========================================================== Tin-Yau Fung @ UC Berkeley NEXTMAIL OK and Preferred!! Email : tyf@ucsee.eecs or tyf@soda + .berkley.edu ===========================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: boonlow@malibu.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) Subject: How to change Host name ? Message-ID: <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca (seymour news) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 08:16:45 GMT Hey there, Plz take some time to anwser a rookie question. I am getting quite sick of the localhost prompt all the time Is there an easy/or hard way to change the host name to something else ? Thanks, - Ben.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OpenStep for $100---or NS drivers? Message-ID: <1994Apr18.080251.4552@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 08:02:51 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <2opat9$blg@news.mic.ucla.edu> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <2opat9$blg@news.mic.ucla.edu> writes: > > The alternative to running Openstep is running NeXTStep. Unfortunately, > this is often impossible due to hardware requirements, even on the Intel > platform. So, I might be an openstep for linux. However: > > My first choice would be a company that sold and supported lots of NS > drivers for 3rd party hardware. Right now, I'd be willing to pay $100 for > a good reliable supported NCR PCI SCSI driver, $100 for an ATI Ultra > GX-Pro driver for rev 1-3 that can do 1280*1024 in 72Hz (as it can under > Windows), and $200 for a driver for the newest ATI 64bit card that can do > a speedy 1280*1024*16 @72Hz. I am sure other people feel like me. > > Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu > Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu > AGSM at UCLA Yes, I too think that THAT is the way to go. Provide a bunch of basic support programs/drivers for the existing NEXTSTEP. Okay, not all people can/will afford NEXTSTEP in the first place, but creating something new which is only alike, but not identical, will only strain the software market - one more version to maintain. NS is expensive compared to DOS/windoze, both in hard and software, but you do get a lot more functionality. I wouldn't want to use anything else anymore, even if it means to have to use C (or objective C) - which I detest (my opinion, no arguments). -Robert -- Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 Robert Frank Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail ok) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch Switzerland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: kevins@bmd.com Subject: NS Help: Limitations from hell? Message-ID: <1994Apr18.070418.14416@bMD.com> Sender: kevins@bMD.com (Kevin Solie) Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. (Lex., KY) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 07:04:18 GMT Is this NEXTSTEP Help a chunk of crap or what? I just spent what seems like the last 50 years of my life working on a really cool NS Help layout. Obviously I was under the impression that since I needed to use edit to build the help hierarchy that the things that worked in edit would also work under NSH. Wrong! No attachments other than rtf[d] eps and tiff will work. Damn! Whats up with this extra-small-non-horizontal-resize-help-window? Damn! In past releases the size of the TOC dictated the size of the help window... What happened to that? Maybe it's because I cant seem to get the right TOC in that damn help.store. Damn! Damn! So to the man pages I went for this fancy compresshelp. No manual entry for compresshelp. Oh man, I'm pissed now! Somebody tell me what's up with this... --- Man, that needle was really starting to piss me off! Kevin Solie Director of Development: benchMark Developments, Inc. Director: Kentucky NEXTSTEP Users Group Software Engineer: Alternate Worlds Technology -- Man, that needle was really starting to piss me off!
From: tilley@cc.umanitoba.ca () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dial-In on NS/Intel, nothing but gibberish. Date: 18 Apr 1994 10:26:05 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Message-ID: <2otn7t$ir4@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <2o45n5$ai@keflavik.wordperfect.com> <CoDL87.HM@nexusadmin.com> In <CoDL87.HM@nexusadmin.com> Dave@NexusAdmin.COM(David W. Fahrney) writes: >Grettir Asmundarson writes >!> I've configured my NeXSTEP Intel box for dial-in. I've made the >!> appropriate changes in /etc/ttys and the modem is set to Auto-Answer. >!> But when I dial in and the modems connect, I get nothing but gibberish on >!> the screen. I've tried dialing in using 8n1 and 7e1, but neither seems >!> to be the answer. >!> >!> Has anyone else seen the problem? >!> >!> BTW, I can dial out without any problem. >!> Did you try the following in gettytab? default:\ :ap:im=\r\n\r\nNeXT Mach (%h) (%t)\r\n\r\r\n\r:\ :er=\177:kl=^U:in=^C:lm=\r\n%h login\72 :sp#9600:p8:zp: Note the "p8:zp:" It is possible that "ap:" is better than "zp:". Dunno. Anyone? -- .. Richard <tilley@cc.umanitoba.ca> NextMail OK.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: btf64@cas.org (Bernard T. French) Subject: Compiling Tk with XNeXT X11 Problems... Message-ID: <1994Apr18.113336.15857@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 11:33:36 GMT I'm trying to build Tk on NeXTSTEP 3.2 with the XNeXT X11 distribution and I'm having some difficulties that really have nothing to do with Tk or XNeXT but my environment. I have the X11 tree on an external harddisk with the path of /HD1/X11/include, etc. I have symbolic links from /usr/include/X11 to the files on the external harddisk. When I try to compile Tk, the configure program can't locate the include files. Which I believe, expects them in /usr/include/X11. When I manually include -I /usr/include/X11 as the path in the makefile, it still can't locate the include files, generating errors of the type 'X11/Xlib.h' not found. If I try to view Xlib.h through the link from /usr/include/X11 using "less", I get the error message "Xlib: Too many levels of indirection". I know that /usr/include is symbolically linked to NeXTDeveloper/Headers. Is there any way I can place X11 on the external harddisk and link its path through /usr/include/X11, /usr/bin/X11, etc. I'm confused as to what I need to do to get both X11 and Tk up and running on my NeXT. Thanks! -- Bernie
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: NeXT has released the Viper PCI Driver (ftp.next.com) Date: 18 Apr 1994 12:30:38 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2otuhe$r7q@inxs.concert.net> It's out and it's on the net with SEVERAL improvements over the beta that had been released. Dave -- Paradigm Shift Corporation info@paradigm-shift.com A NeXT Object Channel Partner 919.682.8553 [Voice] Hardware, Software & Peripherals 919.682.1126 [Fax] ******** P.O. BOX 14565, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 ********
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Terminal cwd to Workspace Date: 18 Apr 1994 08:58:39 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404181358.AA28598@alleg.EDU> I asked a while back if there was a way to have the file viewer reflect the shell's current working directory (i.e. If my file viewer is in my ~/ and I am in /some/other/folder, is there a way to change my file viewer to show /some/other/folder instead of ~/) I didn't hear anything, so I guess there wasn't either (1) an easy answer and/or (2) anyone who understood what I was trying to do or why. Well, the "solution" I came up with is not perfect, but it does have some advantages. It is basically just a command-line 'Open as Folder' for the cwd. It probably will register on the 'Gee didn't you know that' scale for some, but maybe for others maybe it will be a help: YourPrompt> open `pwd`/. The feature-not-a-bug (I think) of this is that your File Viewer will be 'unhidden' (if it was hidden) with the folder as 'key'. Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerti@tms-gmbh.de (Gerd Knops) Subject: Re: For the rest of us Message-ID: <CoGAH0.rD@tms-gmbh.de> Sender: usenet@tms-gmbh.de Organization: tms GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <2ot0s7$g69@panix2.panix.com> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 10:29:23 GMT In article <2ot0s7$g69@panix2.panix.com> rsilver@panix.com (Russell Silverman) writes: > Russell Silverman (rsilver@panix.com) wrote: > : Two simple questions. > > : 1. OK, I'm lazy, and I'm still using Terminal.app to do some > : stuff. Problem is this black on white is giving me epilepsy. > : HELP ME!! > > : 2. I have gateway spew-thousand, with a stupid PC keyboard. > : Keyboard.app is cool, but I need to remap the Control key > : & Escape key (sound familiar, emacs users ??). Keyboard.app > : doesn't seem to do it. Any ideas ?? Or am I just stupid > : (the answer, is yes, but no flames please). > > : --thanks, RS > > Yuck, who is this idiot!! Keyboard.app does this and so much > more. If you are suffering from keyboard discomfort, fire it up > and go to town. Great program, what else is new.... > > Still looking for number one, but if you have sympathy for one > so boney-headed, you will simply put a kill next to my name. > > --thanks, RS Ooops, I almost would have flamed you for calling yourself an idiot... However, I used Keyboard.app to change the keyboard-layout of my Intel, so it matches more my other black keyboard. But be aware, that some combinations of shift-modifier-key don't work because of the hardware-layout of the keyboard! Gerd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeff@netsurfer.com (Jeff Russell) Subject: SoftPC, TCP/IP Support w/Winsock, DNS Message-ID: <netnewsCoGMCv.Eyu@netcom.com> Keywords: SoftPC TCP/IP WINSOCK DNS Sender: netnews@netcom.com (USENET Administration) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 14:46:07 GMT The TCP/IP support in SoftPC is Novell Lan Workplace. It seems very easy to setup and works with the WINSOCK.DLL and WLIBSOCK.DLL that provide Winsock. The only problem is that DNS lookups don't seem to work from inside SoftPC. This is the case with both Winsock and running native LWP API. Does anyone know how to fix this? BTW, all of my TCP/IP apps, DNS, etc. work fine in NEXTSTEP. I have both /etc/resolve.conf and Netinfo entries for nameserver. jeff
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.next.admin,comp.sys.next.misc From: cuilla@il.us.swissbank.com (Chris Cuilla) Subject: uucp or SLIP connection in Singapore Message-ID: <1994Apr18.142903.25266@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 14:29:03 GMT Does anyone know how I can get a company setup with a commercial (or other) uucp (or possibly SLIP) connection to the net from Singapore? -- Chris Cuilla --------------------------------------------------------------------- NEXTSTEP Developer cuilla@swissbank.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: samurai@wsc.com (Darcy Brockbank) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2ou8i5$bh4@cerberus.wsc.com> Control: cancel <2ou8i5$bh4@cerberus.wsc.com> Date: 18 Apr 1994 11:59:37 -0400 Organization: WSC Investment Services, Inc. Disclaimer: The views represented within this posting are not necessarily those held by WSC Investment Services, Inc. Message-ID: <2ouap9$t3r@charon.wsc.com> References: <1994Apr17.184501.28745@pcp.ca> 409 cancelled from NewsGrazer.
From: t9116ts@tech.mis.cfc.com (Todd M. Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT logo as eps? Date: 18 Apr 94 11:36:07 Organization: Chrysler Financial, MIS, Center Line, MI Distribution: world Message-ID: <T9116TS.94Apr18113607@litespeed.tech.mis.cfc.com> References: <2o7j5f$nkk@news.kth.se> In-reply-to: d91-elu@dront.nada.kth.se's message of 10 Apr 1994 01:01:35 GMT In article <2o7j5f$nkk@news.kth.se>, d91-elu@dront.nada.kth.se (Erik Lundström) writes: >Where can I find a NeXT logo (the cube) as a postscript-file (.ps/.eps)? /NextDeveloper/Examples/PostScript/Logo.eps Todd -- _____ __ __ ____ |_ _| \/ | ___| Todd M. Swan - tms@cfc.com - CFC, Center Line, MI | | | |__ | The flame at the heart of a pawnbroker's diamond |_| |_|\/|_|____| is a cold fire. - Rush
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 18 Apr 1994 15:25:40 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2oumrk$mij@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Product Information Server online NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server online comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Much of this information is also available using the World Wide Web, <http://digifix.digifix.com/index.html> NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Product Information Server online --------------------------------------------------------- A product directory built around the World Wide Web system, this will allow full multimedia announcements by NEXTSTEP developers, as well as the ability to browse the available products for NEXTSTEP. This service is online now, and can be reached at http://digifix.digifix.com/ it can be reached using OmniWeb (available from ftp.omnigroup.com) or Mosaic. The entries are coming in quite quickly, and I'll be moving the entire NEXTSTEP Third Party Catalog contents in as soon as they become available. NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server online --------------------------------------------------------- The NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server is now available for product literature and pricing from NEXTSTEP developers. You can get information on using the mail server at ns-products@digifix.com Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe The ftp sites ------------- cs.orst.edu: The main site for North American submissions nova.cc.purdue.edu: Lots of older stuff, but very short on disk space ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: In Germany. terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) and cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp.next.com: See the below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ------------------------------------- From the document 1000_Help from ftp.next.com Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, or you can transfer them by anonymous ftp. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to NeXTanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO <your-address> If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <1994Apr17.232709.2355@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <2on3n4$15o@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 23:27:09 GMT In article <2on3n4$15o@agate.berkeley.edu> william@moomin.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) writes: * Wow!! I feel much better. Every now and then, I get an * overwhelming urge to read Dilbert, buy the SJMN, and it * *always* boggles me. I've managed to miss every single one * of the "*rare* bright spots" that Scott refers to. It's * always crappy. * Are there many SJMN readers out there ? We could write a * joint letter ... Doesn't do any good. Writing to the Murk kind of reminds me of that old saying about never trying to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and annoys the pig. ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <1994Apr17.233728.2536@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <2ombj9$p68@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 23:37:28 GMT In article <2ombj9$p68@hippo.shef.ac.uk> ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) writes: * Umm, sorry, I give up: what company has three red diamonds * as its logo? (Serious question -- I feel I may be missing * out on something!) Mitsubishi. You weren't missing anything important Malcolm -- this is USENET after all. I was responding to a previous poster who had remarked that Suns' logo wasn't recognisable as anything much. I am trying to make the point that most company logos which are geometric figures are unrecognisable unless you already know what they are. I chose a Japanese company because it's less obvious than the everyday European or Merkun symbols. Easily Recognisable Not Easily Recognisable IBM Sun NEXT SGI DEC Mitsubishi Intel Motorola SONY Varian The easily recognisable logos have their names in them. The non-easily recognisable ones use geometric symbols. Once you know them, you know them. Before you know them, you usually need to have them explained. ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: ColorWells in ScrollViews Message-ID: <CoA65D.B61@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Organization: Relief Consulting & Development References: <2oe558$fvv@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 03:10:24 GMT In article <2oe558$fvv@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> kampp@nemesis (Ralf &) writes: > > Hi out there ! > Has anyone a remedy or workaround for the following phenomenon ? > (NeXTstep 3.1, black machine) > > --> Colorwells won't display correctly if put in a ScrollView and scrolled > around. > > (Try "Group in ScrollView" with some ColorWells in InterfaceBuilder, make > ScrollView smaller so that scrolling becomes necessary and "Test > Interface") > > Any help would be appreciated !! > > Ralf I reported this bug years ago, it still isn't fixed. Here's my workaround: -------------MyNXColorWell.h--------------- #import <appkit/appkit.h> @interface MyNXColorWell:NXColorWell { } - drawSelf:(const NXRect *)rects :(int)nrect; @end -------------MyNXColorWell.m--------------- #import "MyNXColorWell.h" @implementation MyNXColorWell - drawSelf:(const NXRect *)rects :(int)nrect { [super drawSelf:&bounds :1]; return self; } @end -------------------------------------------- You can either use a CustomView in IB and make it this class, or you can do a poseAs: in your application delegate's -appWillInit:. John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com Relief Consulting & Development (206) 743-3953 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer --
From: speters@samsun.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Iconable shell commands? Message-ID: <SPETERS.94Apr18140750@samsun.us.oracle.com> Date: 18 Apr 94 21:07:50 GMT References: <9404132327.AA19944@alleg.EDU> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corporation., Redwood City, CA, USA In-Reply-To: luomat@alleg.EDU's message of 13 Apr 1994 18:31:10 -0500 at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article <9404132327.AA19944@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: > If you have TickleServices and would like this new service, feel free > to email me (luomat@alleg.edu) and I will send it to you asap. I would like it, but I keep getting errors trying to send email. Can you please e-mail it to speters@us.oracle.com? My apologies to the rest of comp.sys.next.misc for sending this here. Stephen Peters
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software From: scooby@cis.umassd.edu (Rob Duarte) Subject: REQUEST: Can you send me screenshots? Message-ID: <CoH3Kv.FAu@umassd.edu> Sender: usenet@umassd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 20:57:59 GMT I am doing a project on NeXT and I could use some screenshots in any image format. I would especially like screen captures of NeXTmail and maybe the NeXT logo? Thanks a lot for any replies... Rob. scooby@cis.umassd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Message-ID: <1994Apr18.212814.1844@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 21:28:14 GMT In article <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> boonlow@malibu.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) writes: > Hey there, > Plz take some time to anwser a rookie question. > I am getting quite sick of the localhost prompt all the time > > Is there an easy/or hard way to change the host name to something else ? Several :-). Try just changing the name in the Local panel of HostManager. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrown@wri.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Re: Switching between applications? Message-ID: <CoH1zr.L5M@wri.com> Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <1994Apr2.205656.1554@earlham.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 20:23:44 GMT In article <1994Apr2.205656.1554@earlham.edu> rabahya@earlham.edu writes: >Hi -- > >Does anyone know of a key-combination to switch between application in NS like >shift-TAB in MS-Windows(ughhhhh). ? > >Thanks >--- >Jack A. Rabah Earlham College / | | _ >Computer Science Dept. \ | | / \ >rabahya@yang.earlham.edu | / | | / \ > ** Here's the fortune cookie of the day.. ---------- ----------- > it is randomly generated: - > >Transportable - Neither chained to a wall nor attached to an alarm system. > On v.3.2 I tried alt and the arrow keys. each key stroke brought to FRONT the windows of the various apps which were not hidden but does not make them KEY. Anyone have any ideas on how to switch between windows AND to make the FRONT window KEY (without having to use the mouse, of course)? Thanks, Dan
From: a11094@giant.rsoft.bc.ca (George Chow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where do I buy Adobe fonts now... Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 19 Apr 1994 04:43:15 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp., Vancouver, BC, Canada Message-ID: <2ovnh3$b60@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> Now that Adobe has stopped selling Postscript fonts for NeXTs, where can I get Adobe fonts? I seem to recall that someone else is selling them. I'm looking for the Adobe Plus pack in particular to bring me up to par with the typical LaserWriter out there. If that is not available, does anyone know how much it is to generate and tune a set of bitmaps for the smaller sizes? George
From: vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu (VampLestat) Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NCSA httpd 1.2 known problems Date: 19 Apr 1994 07:44:28 GMT Organization: Me, organized? You gotta be kidding. Message-ID: <2p024s$4o4@garuda.csulb.edu> References: <2ovria$net@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> And Rob McCool<robm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu> spake unto the masses: >httpd 1.21 will be forthcoming to fix these problems, in the meantime, if >you find another problem, please tell us what the problem was, and what >system you are using. I think I've found another one. Apparently httpd 1.2 cant properly parse the date info on a NeXT. Both the directory listings and the log files have a question mark in the month position. It can properly obtain the date and the year, just not the month. I didnt experience this problem under httpd 1.1. This is using NCSA httpd1.2 on a NeXT runnning NeXTStep 2.1. You can access http://gothic.acs.csulb.edu:8080/~vamp/Gothic/Image.tmp for an example. Has anyone else encountered this problem? -- _O_ Ryan L. Watkins e-mail: vamp@csulb.edu | Academic Computing Services url : http://www.acs.csulb.edu/~vamp/ | CSU Long Beach - Network Support pgpkey: finger vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu
From: atshutko@artsci.wustl.edu (Alan Thomas Shutko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CSH and ANSI Cursor codes Followup-To: poster Date: 16 Apr 1994 08:46:18 GMT Organization: College of Arts and Sciences -- Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri, USA Message-ID: <2oo8kq$ff4@bigfoot.wustl.edu> I have been trying to get normal cursor keys to work with the standard NeXT csh. I have tried this by mapping "\e[" to execute named macro, and creating macros for ^P, ^N, ... with the proper names to run. This works fine when I am trying it out. However, attempting to save the macros to a file and load them at a later date fails. I can save normal text macros fine, but not the ones I want. Is there a problem in saving control characters in macros? If there is a better way of going about this (without grabbing a new shell....) I would really appreciate hearing about it. Please reply via email.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: C.Flemming's mathlink examples??? Message-ID: <CoIDKr.37r@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 13:31:39 GMT Does anybody know where can I find Chuck Flrmming's examples of comunicating to Mathematica with NeXTSTEP front ends? One of them If I recall is called "Derivative". The main machine at Allegheny college (pellns.alleg.edu) is "unreachable" from the net and e-mail to Chuck dissapears, so I am looking for alternative sites. Also, if you know of any other applications (with source) that talk to Mathematica with or without using MLink please drop me a line. Waiting anxiously for responses, --john m. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: btf64@cas.org (Bernard T. French) Subject: Symbolic links across file systems???? Message-ID: <1994Apr19.124319.13425@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 12:43:19 GMT I'm having problems with symbolic links from /usr/include/X11 to XNeXT X11 files on an external harddisk. I'm trying to get both X11 up and running as well as compiling Tk. I can't seem to get the Tk build to locate the nessary X11 include and library files. I formed symbolic links from /usr/include/X11, /usr/lib/X11 etc., to /HD1/X11/include, /HD1/X11/lib etc. The linked files can be listed with the ls command in the /usr path, but if I try to view Xlib.h through the link from /usr/include/X11 using "less", I get the error message "Xlib: Too many levels of indirection". I know that /usr/include is symbolically linked to NeXTDeveloper/Headers. Is there any way I can place X11 on the external harddisk and link its path through /usr/include/X11, /usr/bin/X11, etc. Is anyone running Tk under XNeXT who could lend me a hand? Thanks! -- Bernie -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | REWARD: Lost .sig, last seen in comp.sys.* or bionet.*, answers to | | the name btf64@cas.org | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CSH and ANSI Cursor codes Date: 19 Apr 1994 15:39:21 GMT Organization: Brown University Message-ID: <2p0tv9$7mf@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <2oo8kq$ff4@bigfoot.wustl.edu> Alan Thomas Shutko writes >...trying to get normal cursor keys to work with the standard NeXT csh. There seems to be some problem with saving macros involving control sequences, as the FAQ notes. This has been around since NS 1.0 days, and is apparently not a high-priority bug. You can get the csh controls working with the cursor keys by installing the necessary files by hand. Here are the .bindings and .macros files you need: The .macros had to be created in emacs or vi, since Edit doesn't have an easy way to enter arbitrary verbatim control characters. Your .cshrc should include something like: if( ${?prompt} ) then set notify # notify of job status before any prompt set editmode=emacs # gives emacs editing (see man csh) set macrofiles=~/.macros # sets up my arrow keys as ^F, ^B, ^N, ^P. (...your aliases...) endif Of course this is all of mainly historical interest. Why aren't you using zsh like all the rest of us? ``For what shall it profit a man, if +---------------------------------+ he shall gain the whole world, and yet | Joshua W. 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From: burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CSH and ANSI Cursor codes Date: 19 Apr 1994 15:40:02 GMT Organization: Brown University Message-ID: <2p0u0i$7nj@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <2oo8kq$ff4@bigfoot.wustl.edu> Alan Thomas Shutko writes >...trying to get normal cursor keys to work with the standard NeXT csh. There seems to be some problem with saving macros involving control sequences, as the FAQ notes. This has been around since NS 1.0 days, and is apparently not a high-priority bug. You can get the csh controls working with the cursor keys by installing the necessary files by hand. Here are the .bindings and .macros files you need: The .macros had to be created in emacs or vi, since Edit doesn't have an easy way to enter arbitrary verbatim control characters. Your .cshrc should include something like: if( ${?prompt} ) then set notify # notify of job status before any prompt set editmode=emacs # gives emacs editing (see man csh) set macrofiles=~/.macros # sets up my arrow keys as ^F, ^B, ^N, ^P. (...your aliases...) endif Of course this is all of mainly historical interest. Why aren't you using zsh like all the rest of us? ``For what shall it profit a man, if +---------------------------------+ he shall gain the whole world, and yet | Joshua W. 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Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www,comp.sys.next.misc From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (David Meyer) Subject: Re: NCSA httpd 1.2 known problems Message-ID: <CoIExF.140@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <2ovria$net@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <2p024s$4o4@garuda.csulb.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 14:00:50 GMT In article <2p024s$4o4@garuda.csulb.edu>, VampLestat <vamp@csulb.edu> wrote: >And Rob McCool<robm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu> spake unto the masses: > >>httpd 1.21 will be forthcoming to fix these problems, in the meantime, if >>you find another problem, please tell us what the problem was, and what >>system you are using. > >I think I've found another one. Apparently httpd 1.2 cant properly parse >the date info on a NeXT. Both the directory listings and the log files >have a question mark in the month position. It can properly obtain the >date and the year, just not the month. I didnt experience this problem >under httpd 1.1. I already reported this one. It's because NeXT's strftime doesn't understand %h to be the month, it wants %b. Most machines I've looked at understand both, but the the NeXT. Anyway, you can fix this problem by replacing every occurence of %h with %b in the source. Dave -- David M. Meyer Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu University of Virginia NeXTmail ok
From: kazdan@aristotle.math.upenn.edu (Jerry Kazdan) Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NCSA httpd 1.2 known problems Followup-To: comp.infosystems.www,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 19 Apr 1994 17:45:24 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <2p15bk$nu2@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <2ovria$net@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <2p024s$4o4@garuda.csulb.edu> VampLestat (vamp@gothic.acs.csulb.edu) wrote: : And Rob McCool<robm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu> spake unto the masses: : >httpd 1.21 will be forthcoming to fix these problems, in the meantime, if : >you find another problem, please tell us what the problem was, and what : >system you are using. : I think I've found another one. Apparently httpd 1.2 cant properly parse : the date info on a NeXT. Both the directory listings and the log files : have a question mark in the month position. It can properly obtain the : date and the year, just not the month. I didnt experience this problem : under httpd 1.1. : This is using NCSA httpd1.2 on a NeXT runnning NeXTStep 2.1. We have the same problem running NeXTSTEP 3.2 on NeXT hardware (don't know about NeXTSTEP on Intel).
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Date: 19 Apr 1994 16:14:50 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <940419221225.243AACUR.malc@jeeves> Thanks to many people for telling me that the three red diamonds logo represents Mitsubishi. I think my original question should have ended with a " :-) " as I don't feel I'm missing out that much, but was very curious. Henry's point that "that most company logos which are geometric figures are unrecognisable unless you already know what they are" is I guess a little obvious! (:-) It does raise an interesting question, however, as to the relative "powers" of text- and icon-based logos. There are certainly a number of logos in the UK which are very powerful, two of the best examples probably being that for British Rail: -->- -<-- and for the London Underground (which I can't reproduce here!). But anyway, this probably belongs elsewhere! (Just caught myself in time! :-) Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Subject: need task.h header file for NS 3.[12] Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <CoIxAA.BIt@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 20:37:22 GMT Organization: Purdue Data Network Keywords: task structure Does anyone know where I might get a copy of the task.h header file for NeXTSTEP 3.1 and/or 3.2? I need to look at the complete task structure, and I cannot find a header file that defines it, although <sys/proc.h> references it. Email replies would be appreciated. Vic Abell <abe@cc.purdue.edu>
From: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu (Dhiren Jeram Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! Can't access floppy drive on Gateway with NS3.2 Date: 19 Apr 1994 15:51:38 -0700 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p1n9q$s9k@girtab.usc.edu> For some reason, NS won't mount a floppy from the "Check Disks" menu in the Workspace Manager. I haven't used the floppy in a while, and I don't remember changing any system stuff that could affect the floppy. If anyone has any ides what the trouble might be, I'd appreciate your suggestions. Dhiren Patel [^_^]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Re: OpenStep for $100 Message-ID: <CoJ6vH.G5A@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 00:07:06 GMT In article <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> dmuir@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Douglas Muir) writes: > Hi, I'm part of a group that's thinking about implementing a $100 > OpenStep implementation. We think Next's NextStep OS is great, but its > high price is a major reason why not many people have it. Now that Next Boy, if you guys have this much talent and energy, why not use it to create something that might make you some serious cash!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) Subject: visa/mc .eps Message-ID: <1994Apr19.231220.78800@yuma> Date: 19 Apr 94 23:12:20 GMT I'm looking for an eps file of the visa and / or master card logo, in color of course. Can anyone tell me where to find such a beast?
From: ramanan@patch.pnb.sunysb.edu (S. V. Ramanan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Switching between applications? Date: 19 Apr 1994 21:57:50 GMT Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Message-ID: <2p1k4u$p6i@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> References: <CoH1zr.L5M@wri.com> In article <CoH1zr.L5M@wri.com> dbrown@wri.com (Dan Brown) writes: > In article <1994Apr2.205656.1554@earlham.edu> rabahya@earlham.edu writes: > Anyone have any ideas on how to switch between windows AND to make the > FRONT window KEY (without having to use the mouse, of course)? > > Thanks, > Dan There was an article by amon@cs.stanford.edu on how to change /usr/lib/NextStep/windowPackage.ps so that Cmd-Alt-(Up|Down)Arrow will do what you want. I have applied these mods by hand to NS3.2 (black) and it works for me. I'm reposting the original article below (without additional quotes). cheers, !ramanan ramanan@patch.pnb.sunysb.edu Repost of original article follows: Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Path: insti!sbcs.sunysb.edu!cmcl2!news.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins cwru.edu!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU!Xenon.Stan ford.EDU!amon From: amon@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Laurent Amon) Subject: Cmd-Alt-(Up|Down)Arrow workspace hack for 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Apr13.142828.17366@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: hack,patch,workspace Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 14:28:28 GMT Lines: 114 About a year ago, Robert Tobler wrote a hack that made it possible to cycle through windows AND activate the new window and corresponding application using Cmd-Alt-(Up|Down)Arrow. [And if you don't know it yet, using Cmd-(Up|Down)Arrow will cycle without changing the focus]. Well, he wrote that under NS2.1, and I took the time last night to port it to NS3.0. It wasn't very difficult, since that part of the code hadn't changed. However, NeXT did remove all commentaries and indentation in the package. Here is a patch for this, just below Robert's comments to his post. All usual diasclaimers apply. Don't forget to keep a copy of the old package. This has only been Berkeleyzely tested. In case of a problem, login as 'console' (boot single user in the worst case) and reinstall the old package. To install it, save the patch below as 'patchfile', cd to /usr/lib/NextStep, and do 'patch < patchfile'. Robert Tobler's post of old: > > Thanks to David Kosi, who sent me his Point-to-Focus Hack, I was able to > rewrite my Hack, so that Command-Alternate-UpArrow and > Command-Alternate-DownArrow now correctly cycle through the windows. > These two key-combinations now activate the new Window AND the owning > application. (i.e. you don't need to use the mouse to switch applications > anymore!!) > > WARNING: > If you install this hack, > 1. backup your old '/usr/lib/NextStep/windowPackage.ps', and > 2. create a possibility to boot from another drive. > (This in order to be able to reverse the changes if you should make a mistake.) > > DISCLAIMER: > Make the changes at you own risk. I refuse to give any warranty for damages > that arise from applying this hack. > > [...actual NS2.1 patch deleted] > > Robert F. Tobler *** Now the patch itself: *** windowPackage.ps.orig Thu Jul 30 06:47:25 1992 --- windowPackage.ps Mon Apr 12 19:18:01 1993 *************** *** 1028,1033 **** --- 1028,1061 ---- 5 -1 roll pop 0 5 1 roll activeApp exch /postByContext winexec } _NXDefProc + /activateAppWithTopWindow { + true 0 /getWindows winexec + false exch { + dup currentwindowlevel + dup //mainMenuLevel gt exch + //dockLevel lt or { + dup currentwindowdict + dup null ne { + /icon get 1 ne { + true exit + } if + }{ + pop + } ifelse + } if + pop + } forall + { + dup /activateByWindow winexec + dup currentwindowbounds exch pop add + 1 3 1 roll 0 0 5 index 0 0 + 2 index currentowner + 9 copy /transmitEvent winexec + 2 9 1 roll /transmitEvent winexec + pop pop + } if + /returnWindows winexec + } _NXDefProc /_handleCommand { mark 10 1 roll 1 index -16 bitshift *************** *** 1058,1063 **** --- 1086,1094 ---- } /revForall winexec cleartomark /returnWindows winexec + 5 index //Alternatemask and 0 ne { + /activateAppWithTopWindow winexec + } if }{ dup 175 eq { true 0 /getWindows winexec *************** *** 1075,1080 **** --- 1106,1114 ---- } forall cleartomark /returnWindows winexec + 5 index //Alternatemask and 0 ne { + /activateAppWithTopWindow winexec + } if }{ pop activeApp true /postByContext winexec --- Laurent Amon | amon@cs.stanford.edu | So far, the universe is winning. amon@lix.polytechnique.fr |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Serial Port in Epson NX Message-ID: <1994Apr17.201748.2127@planon.qc.ca> Sender: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 20:17:48 GMT We have an Epson NX computer here running NS/FIP. The NS documentation provides a very clear description of the pinout of the MiniDin-8 connector used by the NeXT computers. The Epson documentation is completly mute about the pinout of the male DB9 connectors used as serial ports. Has someone the pinout configuration of the male DB9 connector used by the Epson NX machine? It would be very usefull. Thank you in advance Yanik -- Yanik Crepeau The power of OOP used to stop when Programmer the programmer typed "make". With Planon Telexpertise NEXTSTEP and PDO, that is not true E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT) anymore!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jaime@afs.com (Jaime Guerrero) Subject: Seeking info on ISDN connectivity Message-ID: <1994Apr18.172437.2133@afs.com> Sender: jaime@afs.com Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 17:24:37 GMT Since a number of service providers offer internet connectivity using ISDN connections rather than modems, and ISDN is dramatically faster (128 kbps) and more suited to digital communication, I am investigating the its on black NeXT hardware. Does anyone have experience using the "Hayes ISDN extender for NeXT computers" device? The Hayes people tell me that device-driver software to use the extender is supplied as part of NEXTSTEP. Is it still there, or is it a part of the now-defunct (?) PhoneKit? My specific application is to use an extender talking to an ISDN port of an internet service provider (such as PSI) and use TCP/IP over that connection to get full interactive internet services. -- Jaime Guerrero "Verbing weirds language." Anderson Financial Systems Inc. Springhouse, Pennsylvania, USA jaime@afs.com [NeXTmail ok]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sngmedia@world.std.com Subject: MARKET SURVEY Message-ID: <CoJIE1.It@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 04:13:12 GMT We are a small, dedicated group of people desperately trying to get a video production company off the ground. Recently, we secured enough financial backing to produce several videos on the subject of personal computing. Because we don't have the financial resources to perform a traditional market analysis, we considered several alternatives and concluded that we should consult the people of the Internet, who are technically proficient and tend to be enthusiastic personal computer users. We would like you to indicate which three of the below described videos would appeal to you most. Please note that each video synopsis is numbered. When you are ready to send your response, please specify the numbers corresponding to your three video selections, and use commas to separate the numbers. For example, if you choose selections four, eight, and eleven, the body of your letter would simply be: 4,8,11 and nothing more. When you send back your response, please specify "MARKET SURVEY" in the subject field. Then, direct your response back to sngmedia@world.std.com. Please realize that this is not an advertisement, or solicitation. We simply would like to know your response. You will not be contacted further. Thank you in advance for your help and cooperation. Tom and Randi Fecker sngmedia@world.std.com. Please select three videos that interest you most: 1. The Internet Pilot's Guide A plain English guide to getting around on the Internet by veteran users. How to use Internet resources to send/receive e-mail, and to search for documents and files relating to a particular subject. How to use LISTSERVs, GOPHER, ARCHIE, WWW and WAIS. How to use FTP and Telnet to access remote computers for file transfers, remote logins, etc. Also, learning how to observe Internet's "netiquette." And how to access multimedia Mosaic bulletin boards. 2. How to Make Money at Home With Your PC I -- Successful PC-Based Businesses Meet five successful entrepreneurs who started their own home-based businesses using a PC. Includes businesses that provide typing services, mailing list management, horoscopes, bookkeeping, and even a software developer who does not know how to program -- he hires other people to implement his software designs. Includes ideas for two dozen home-based businesses you can start using your PC. 3. How to Make Money at Home With Your PC II: Portfolio Management. Whether you manage your own portfolio for investment gains, or you take on clients for a consulting fee, a PC can give you powerful tools for portfolio management. Meet three successful home-based portfolio managers who use their PCs to maximize profits. They'll inspire you, and share some tricks of the trade that can help you land clients and get started. We'll also show you how to determine which software applications will meet your needs, and which online services will satisfy your requirements. 4. How to Make Money at Home With Your PC III: Telecommuting Learn how to use your PC to telecommute to companies across America that are looking for specialized consultants with skills like bookkeeping, software design and programming, editorial and script writing, technical proofreading, graphic design, copywriting, and more. Includes interviews with three successful telecommuters who use their PCs, faxes, modems and phones to serve distant clients, and information about a telecommuting referral service that could help you find employers. 5. How to Upgrade Your Hard Drive, Step-By-Step From choosing your new hard drive, through ordering, installing and testing it. This plain English video shows you how to do the job correctly, one simple step at a time. Using industry-wide standards, we'll show you what all hard drives have in common. Includes how to determine if your controller will support a particular hard drive. How to remove the old drive, and install, format and test the new drive. Includes a discussion on the differences between the various standards. 6. How to Design Your Own PC You don't have to be an engineer to design and build the PC of your dreams. This plain English video shows you how to figure out the PC design that is best for you, how to specify components, how to make sure they'll work together, and where to buy them. You'll end up with a top quality system that will save you money. 7. How to Build Your Own PC Once you've designed your PC, we'll show you how to build it. The actual process will take you only a few hours. Using an easy-to- understand method, we'll show you how to inspect, install and test components. Includes tips and tricks from computer production experts. The technical skills can be easily mastered by almost anyone, and you probably already own most of the tools you would need. 8. How to Increase Your Computer's Memory This plain English video shows you how to determine whether your computer memory can be increased, and how to do the job correctly, one step at a time. You'll learn about industry-wide standards for memory, how to configure additional RAM and cache, how and where to buy RAM chips, and three ways to eliminate low-quality RAM chips. Covers all phases of the process from opening your computer, to testing your memory. Includes discussions on how to ensure your DOS set-up is able to access all available memory, and how to use various memory management software applications. 9. How to Use MS-Windows 3.1 This powerful graphical user interface can help you work smarter and faster, but the manual and the online tutorial that come with Windows leave many questions unanswered. This plain English, step- by-step video will show you how to install Windows on your computer and set it up to get optimum performance. 10. How to Find a Job in the Information Age A PC can give you an incredible advantage when you're searching for a new job -- or even a new career. But you have to know just how it can help you. In this video, an experienced employment counselor will show you how to tap the power in your PC to find job leads, create a winning resume and customized cover letters, tap into databases and find bulletin boards that will lead you to job openings, and use online services to research potential employers. 11. How to Install a Sound Card in Your Computer Here's how to add incredible stereo sound to your computer with step-by-step help. In plain English, you'll learn how to determine if your computer can support a sound card, how and where to buy a high-quality sound card. How to open your computer, and install and test the sound card. 12. How to Install a CD-ROM Drive in Your Computer Using simple tools, this plain English video shows you how to install a CD-ROM Drive in your computer. You'll learn how to make sure your computer can support a CD-ROM drive -- and what to do if it can't. Covers internal vs. external drives, how and where to buy a high quality CD-ROM drive, what you need to know about differing industry standards, preparing the drive bay, testing and trouble-shooting. Covers SCSI and IDE. 13. How to Fix the Most Common Computer Problems Your computer serviceman may not want you to know this, but all you need is the know-how you'll get from this video, simple tools, and easily-obtainable diagnostic software -- and you can fix most common problems you'll ever encounter with a PC. 14. What to Do When a Virus Strikes Your Computer Viruses can come from almost anywhere: a colleague or friend's disks, a network, a bulletin board, even commercial software. If you ignore the first warning signs, a virus can wipe out your data and permanently damage your computer's memory. In plain English, this video will tell you how to scan disks for viruses, how to check downloaded files from bulletin boards, how to set up a virus prevention program for your home or office computer, and how and where to buy the best anti-virus software. We'll also cover the pros and cons of the antivirus software in DOS 6.X and Windows 3.X, how to use antivirus software, and more. 15. How Your PC Works: Inside the Case Here's a down-to-earth explanation of how your PC actually processes information, and what really goes on inside the case. You'll get a guided tour of the insides of a PC, learn about how the various components work and how they communicate with each other, and get a clear explanation of technical terms. A must for anyone who wants to really understand how to program, use and repair a PC. 16. How to Create Config.Sys, Autoexec.Bat and Batch Files These basic files can make it much easier to use your computer -- or cause incredible headaches if they are not written properly for your particular software and peripherals. Now you don't have to be at the mercy of murky tech manuals, because we'll show you how to create files that work for your system -- step-by-step, in plain English. You'll learn how to write, modify and test Autoexec.Bat and Config.Sys files; and how to create batch files. 17. How to Add a Modem or Faxmodem to Your Computer Here's the easy way to add a modem or faxmodem to your computer, with step-by-step guidance from this plain English video. You'll learn how to determine if your computer can support a modem or faxmodem, and what to do if it can't, how to choose and buy the best modem or faxmodem, how to open your computer, and install the modem or faxmodem, how to test it, how to quickly eliminate common problems, and how to set your modem or faxmodem correctly. 18. How to Make Money at Home With Your Computer The information age is opening up incredible new opportunities for PC owners to make undreamed of money, using skills and knowledge you may already have! Here's inside information on the ten most promising telecommuting jobs and 12 small businesses you can run right from your home, using your PC. Includes profiles of PC owners who are actually running PC-based home businesses. 19. The Super-Highway Roadmap This is your guide to where to go and what to see. You can make incredible contacts and gather powerful, valuable information on the Internet, but the problem is that most people can't begin to imagine the potential of something that seems so abstract. This plain English video will introduce you to the Internet, and make these opportunities concrete. Includes interviews with 7 people who did the impossible by gathering information and making contacts on the Internet. 20. How to Upgrade and Repair Your PC I: Basic This is the video your repairman doesn't want you to know about! Since the components of most PCs are highly modular, PC repair is easier than you think. Just pinpoint the problem component, unplug it, remove a few screws, replace it, and presto! You're in business again. This step-by-step video shows you how to pinpoint problems and replace your PC's components, using ordinary household tools. 21. How to Upgrade and Repair Your PC II: Multimedia Here's how to save big money on a PC with all the latest multimedia peripherals. You learn how to determine if your PC can be upgraded, how to upgrade your video card and bus, and how to add a CD-ROM drive, sound card, video accelerator, and more. Presented in plain English. The procedures you'll learn require ordinary household tools -- nothing fancy! 22. Plain English Guide to DOS 6+. The powerful sub-programs buried deep within DOS 6.0 and higher can help you work smarter and faster, but the manual and the online tutorial that come with DOS leave many questions unanswered. This plain English, step-by-step video will show you how to install DOS on your computer and set it up to get optimum performance. In addition to DOS commands, you'll learn how to use the shell, defragmentation, scan and antivirus programs that come with DOS. 23. Home Financial Management on a PC. Your computer can help you create and manage a budget, keep track of your credit card accounts, handle your tax deductions, and reconcile your bank accounts. But that's not all! You can also determine whether you should pay down your mortgage, finance a new car or pay cash, buy or rent your home, and how much you'll need for retirement. The financial information your computer can give you might mean the difference between just getting by and a very comfortable lifestyle -- if you ask the right questions and use your PC to develop a financial strategy. 24. The Online Bulletin Board Guide Bulletin boards can be the on-ramps to the Information Super Highway -- if you know how to access and use them. This step-by- step guide shows you how to find bulletin boards, set-up your modem, log on, find out what they have to offer, find bulletin board users who share your interests, search for information, and upload and download files. Thank you.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) Subject: NeXTmail's uuencode/tar format (?) Message-ID: <1994Apr19.204120.19190@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 20:41:20 GMT I've recieved a couple of pieces of NeXTmail on a non-NeXT system, and have forwarded these to my NeXT account. The mail appears to be in an encoded/tarred format. My efforts to uudecode and untar have not worked. Is there a FAQ on this somewhere? Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Phil -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: C.Flemming's mathlink examples??? Date: 19 Apr 1994 23:42:24 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404200123.AA22289@alleg.EDU> In comp.sys.next.misc article <CoIDKr.37r@ra.nrl.navy.mil> you wrote: Does anybody know where can I find Chuck Flrmming's examples of comunicating to Mathematica with NeXTSTEP front ends? One of them If I recall is called "Derivative". The main machine at Allegheny college (pellns.alleg.edu) is "unreachable" from the net and e-mail to Chuck dissapears, so I am looking for alternative sites. The FTP site at Allegheny has been changed to: ftp.alleg.edu I think the file that you are looking for may be: IN: /pub/ESDG/Multidisciplinary/Workbench/Tools/Mathematica NAMED: DerivativeData.wbTool.compressed TjL --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
From: chi@kaiwan.com (Lung-Chi Chuang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to view high ASCII while in Terminal Date: 20 Apr 1994 00:35:57 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310/527-4279,818/756-0180,714/741-2920) Message-ID: <2p2m0t$aot@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> I would like to know how to view high ASCII characters while inside the VT100 Terminal.app. I am calling from my NeXTSTEP/486 to the remot host by using modem. Normally, if I load DOS/Win applications, I can see chinese character showing up on my screen, but not when I'm using NS's Terminal.app. By the way I have chinese fonts selected while when I am in the Terminal.app. I have tried setting the stty to pass8 but it doesn't work. If you know how I can get Terminal.app to display hish ASCII characters please let me know ASAP! Thank you very much!
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Date: 20 Apr 1994 03:12:49 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p26jh$9ur@news.iastate.edu> References: <1994Apr18.212814.1844@seer.demon.co.uk> Paul Lynch writes []In article <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> boonlow@malibu.sfu.ca (Boon Chong []Benjamin Low) writes: []> Hey there, []> Plz take some time to anwser a rookie question. []> I am getting quite sick of the localhost prompt all the time []> []> Is there an easy/or hard way to change the host name to something else ? [] []Several :-). [] []Try just changing the name in the Local panel of HostManager. The only problem with this is that some aspects of the operating system, such as renderman, will not know about the name change if this is all you do. A *halfway* solution is to change the name in teh Local panel, and then *alias* localhost to the new name, again in host manager. This will work for all functions *except* that your outgoing mail will still say it's from "localhost" (but the "Reply To" field will be okay). If you can live with that, fine. If not, drop me a note and I will explain a somewhat more complicated fix. Hope this helps --- Tom -- =========================================================================== Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Applied Mathematical Sciences 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@ameslab.gov
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTmail's uuencode/tar format (?) Date: 20 Apr 1994 10:21:52 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2p2s7g$hq@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1994Apr19.204120.19190@princeton.edu> gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >I've recieved a couple of pieces of NeXTmail on a non-NeXT system, and >have forwarded these to my NeXT account. The mail appears to be in an >encoded/tarred format. My efforts to uudecode and untar have not >worked. > >Is there a FAQ on this somewhere? Any suggestions appreciated. > >Thanks, >Phil > >-- >G. Philippe Menos >gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] >Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries >voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571 Try... saving the message to file. uudecode file | uncompress | tar xvf - -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu (Dhiren Jeram Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help, Can't access floppy drive on Gateway w/ NS3.2 Date: 20 Apr 1994 03:01:09 -0700 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: djpatel@girtab.usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p2uh5$ija@girtab.usc.edu> NS doesn't seem to want to recognize my floppy drive all of a sudden. I haven't used it in a while, and I don't remember changing any system parameters that might affect the floppy. It's on a GW2K. If anyone has any ideas what might be wrong, I'd appreciate your suggestions. Dhiren Patel [^_^]
From: robertg@bonham.sbc.co.uk (Guy Roberts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to change hostname on PC without ethernet ? Date: 19 Apr 1994 11:27:29 GMT Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation, High Timber St, London, UK Message-ID: <2p0f71$j31@gpo.gb.swissbank.com> References: <1994Apr18.212814.1844@seer.demon.co.uk> In article <1994Apr18.212814.1844@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes: >>Is there an easy/or hard way to change the host name to something else ? > Try just changing the name in the Local panel of HostManager. All of this reminds me of a problem that my daughter's boyfriend's uncle's friend is having. This person has a PC running NextStep 3.2. The machine has no ethernet hardware but is has a modem attached to a serial port over which a SLIP network interface runs. He used HostManager.app to set the IP address and hostname of the standalone machine. The reboot procedure hangs and has to be interupted with control-C to finish. The machine seems to be looking for a NetInfo server. When booted, NetInfo is *not* running. He has tried using SimpleNetworkStarter.app to configure the machine as standalone but this resulted in an error from ifconfig saying something about ioctl. SimpleNetworkStarter.app returns everything back to the way it was. The on line documentation about NetInfo does not seem to consider a machine without an ethernet network interface, perhaps because nearly every machine has one. Can anybody suggest a way for my daughter's boyfriend's uncle's friend to give the PC it's correct IP address *and* have NetInfo running too. I am stuck. Err, I mean my daughter's boyfriend's uncle's friend is stuck. Guy Roberts. Guy Roberts is not Swiss Bank, he is smaller and has fewer personalities.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: How to change hostname on PC without ethernet ? Message-ID: <1994Apr20.174931.6904@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2p0f71$j31@gpo.gb.swissbank.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 17:49:31 GMT In article <2p0f71$j31@gpo.gb.swissbank.com> robertg@bonham.sbc.co.uk (Guy Roberts) writes: > All of this reminds me of a problem that my daughter's boyfriend's uncle's > friend is having. This person has a PC running NextStep 3.2. The machine > has no ethernet hardware but is has a modem attached to a serial port over > which a SLIP network interface runs. > > He used HostManager.app to set the IP address and hostname of the > standalone machine. The reboot procedure hangs and has to be interupted > with control-C to finish. The machine seems to be looking for a NetInfo > server. When booted, NetInfo is *not* running. 3.2 Intel is stuffed. You don't need to set an IP address for the en interface, when using SLIP. Just set the hostname, and it should boot OK. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTmail's uuencode/tar format (?) Date: 20 Apr 1994 15:52:52 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404202052.AA22414@alleg.EDU> In comp.sys.next.misc article <2p2s7g$hq@steffi.demon.co.uk> you wrote: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >I've recieved a couple of pieces of NeXTmail on a non-NeXT >system, and have forwarded these to my NeXT account. The >mail appears to be in an encoded/tarred format. My efforts >to uudecode and untar have not worked. > >Is there a FAQ on this somewhere? Any suggestions appreciated. > Try... saving the message to file. uudecode file | uncompress | tar xvf - That (the last line) didn't work for me. I would suggest that you try cat filename >> /usr/spool/mail/`whoami` just make sure that you have all of the information (all the header lines, etc) Tim --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTmail's uuencode/tar format (?) Date: 20 Apr 1994 22:36:01 GMT Organization: Me Message-ID: <2p4aoh$7tj@news.tamu.edu> References: <1994Apr19.204120.19190@princeton.edu> <2p2s7g$hq@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2p2s7g$hq@steffi.demon.co.uk>, Robert Nicholson <robert@steffi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >>I've recieved a couple of pieces of NeXTmail on a non-NeXT system, and >>have forwarded these to my NeXT account. The mail appears to be in an >>encoded/tarred format. My efforts to uudecode and untar have not >>worked. >> >>Is there a FAQ on this somewhere? Any suggestions appreciated. >> >>Thanks, >>Phil >> >>-- >>G. Philippe Menos >>gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] >>Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries >>voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571 > >Try... > >saving the message to file. > >uudecode file | uncompress | tar xvf - > Disclaimer: I've never tried this myself, but based on some other things I've done successfully, I think it would work. My theory about why Mail.app doesn't recognize the mail you forwarded as NeXTMail is that the program you used on the non- NeXT machine (understandably) doesn't send it with the Next- Attachment header that Mail.app looks for. (The header is in the file, but it's not in the "header" section, so Mail.app doesn't recognize it.) If you use a mailer on the non-NeXT machine that will allow you to add "user-defined" headers to outgoing mail (I use elm, which does) then look at the beginning of the mail message on the non-NeXT machine and copy the Next-Attachment header line. When you forward the mail to your NeXT machine, add the Next-Attachment header as a "user-defined" header. When you then read the mail with Mail.app it should look just like a standard NeXTMail. I have done this in sort of the reverse way successfully: My home machine is not connected to the net. I can compose NeXTMail on it, but not send it directly. I save that mail to a file (actually I mail it to a dummy user and then upload the /usr/spool/mail/<dummy_user> file). I then upload it to my machine that's on the net, read the file into an elm message, delete the headers in it (though this step is unnecessary, I'm sure), and pasting in the Next-Attachment: header line as a "user-defined" header. Just my $.02. Lusty
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Where do I buy Adobe fonts now... Message-ID: <1994Apr19.233947.8335@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <2ovnh3$b60@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 23:39:47 GMT In article <2ovnh3$b60@deep.rsoft.bc.ca> a11094@giant.rsoft.bc.ca (George Chow) writes: * Now that Adobe has stopped selling Postscript fonts for * NeXTs, where can I get Adobe fonts? I seem to recall that * someone else is selling them. I'm looking for the Adobe * Plus pack in particular to bring me up to par with the * typical LaserWriter out there. We [Trilithon Software] are an authorised Adobe re-seller and can supply Adobe fonts for NEXTSTEP, in NEXTSTEP format, plus an installer/downloader utility. To forestall the usual flood of dis-information, Adobe do not manufacture the Plus Pack any more. Neither do Adobe manufacture Type Sets 1, 2, and 3 any more. What's current is Adobe Type Basics. A list of what's in Adobe Type Basics appears at the end of this message. It provides the set of fonts known as the Standard 35N in popular laser printers. That's about the only ``pack'' of any use right now. Write To: Trilithon Software, 3000 Alpine Road, Portola Valley, California 94028. Telephone: (415) 851-7901 FAX: (415) 851-7902 E-mail: info@trilithon.com ........ Henry ADOBE TYPE BASICS ================= Adobe Type Basics has sixty five faces, including the Standard Thirty Five[*], and includes two of the Tekton faces. It retails for $198. This in my opinion is a Good Deal, because the packages purchased separately would come out around $3,000. A list of the fonts in the Adobe Type Basics package is appended to this message. [*] For those unfamiliar with this term, the ``Standard Thirty Five N'' refers to the set of ROM fonts found in most LaserWriters such as the IINTX, IIf/IIg, Pro630, and so on. ====================================================================== FONTS IN ADOBE TYPE BASICS PACKAGE Adobe Caslon Regular Adobe Caslon Italic Adobe Caslon Semibold Adobe Caslon Semibold Italic Adobe Garamond Regular Adobe Garamond Italic Adobe Garamond Bold Adobe Garamond Bold Italic Americana Americana Extra Bold Avant Garde Book Avant Garde Book Oblique Avant Garde Demi Avant Garde Demi Oblique Barmeno Medium Barmeno Regular Barmeno Bold Barmeno Extra Bold Blackoak Bookman Demi Bookman Demi Italic Bookman Light Bookman Light Italic Carta Courier Courier Oblique Courier Bold Courier Bold Oblique Formata Regular Formata Medium Italic Formata Italic Formata Medium Helvetica Bold Helvetica Bold Oblique Helvetica Narrow Bold Helvetica Narrow Bold Oblique Helvetica Narrow Oblique Helvetica Narrow Helvetica Oblique Helvetica Kaufmann Lithos Black Lithos Regular New Century Schoolbook Bold New Century Schoolbook Bold Italic New Century Schoolbook Italic New Century Schoolbook Roman Palatino Bold Palatino Bold Italic Palatino Italic Palatino Roman Parisian Park Avenue Poetica Supplemental Ornaments Symbol Tekton Tekton Bold Times Bold Times Bold Italic Times Italic Times Roman Trajan Bold Woodtype Ornaments Two Zapf Chancery Medium Italic Zapf Dingbats ======================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org (Bruno Brottier) Subject: WANTED: desperately seeking for Jose Luis MAYORAL PINILLOS Message-ID: <1994Apr20.204047.12546@icare.fdn.org> Sender: news@icare.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Levallois, France. Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 20:40:47 GMT Hi netters ! I would like you to help me to find a friend, Jose Luis MAYORAL PINILLOS. He formerly worked at TANGERINE SCP, a firm located at Barcelona, Spain. I met him when he had a training session "NeXt Developer Course" in Paris, July 91. His firm failed, and I do not have his address. If you have any pointer in Spain, please help me. This is very important for me. Thanks BB --------------------------- Bruno Brottier 37 rue Chaptal 92300 LEVALLOIS PERRET - FRANCE E-mail: b_brottier@icare.fdn.org -- [NeXTmail] ---------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: burns@bellcore.com (James E. Burns) Subject: Re: Seeking info on ISDN connectivity In-Reply-To: jaime@afs.com's message of Mon, 18 Apr 1994 17:24:37 GMT Message-ID: <BURNS.94Apr20175735@wildcat.bellcore.com> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Organization: /burns/.organization References: <1994Apr18.172437.2133@afs.com> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 22:57:35 GMT The Hayes Extender is essentially dead. It depends on the PhoneKit, which as far as I know has never been picked up. In any case, it doesn't support the National ISDN-1 standard (although you might be able to use it if your switch has the AT&T ISDN option). You can use ISDN with the Cube (I am, even as I speak), but the max speed is 38.4K over the serial port. jim burns -- James E. Burns burns@nova.bellcore.com Bellcore, NVC-3X114 Off: (908) 758-2819 331 Newman Springs Road Fax: (908) 758-4371 Red Bank, NJ 07701-5699, USA Home: (908) 219-6561
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrelli@morris.emba.uvm.edu (Steven Borrelli) Subject: Re: Why NeXT and not Next? Message-ID: <1994Apr20.145701.5367@emba.uvm.edu> Sender: Steven Borrelli Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility References: <2on3n4$15o@agate.berkeley.edu> <1994Apr17.232709.2355@trilithon.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 14:57:01 GMT >In article <2on3n4$15o@agate.berkeley.edu> william@moomin.berkeley.edu >(William E. Grosso) writes: > > * Wow!! I feel much better. Every now and then, I get an > * overwhelming urge to read Dilbert, buy the SJMN, and it > * *always* boggles me. I've managed to miss every single one > * of the "*rare* bright spots" that Scott refers to. It's > * always crappy. > > * Are there many SJMN readers out there ? We could write a > * joint letter ... You don't have to waste your nickels to read Dilbert! I get it every day from the GNN Web server. from Mosaic open the URL: http://nearnet.gnn.com/gnn/arcade/comix/index.html to get to the Comix section of the GNN navigator and you can get your daily Dilbert fix. (Note: you may have to register your name with GNN) Cheers, Steve borrelli@emba.uvm.edu
From: chris@helser54.res.iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where do I buy Adobe fonts now... Date: 21 Apr 1994 01:51:56 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Message-ID: <2p4m7s$rdm@news.iastate.edu> References: <1994Apr19.233947.8335@trilithon.com> In article <1994Apr19.233947.8335@trilithon.com> henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) writes: > Adobe Type Basics has sixty five faces, including the Standard > Thirty Five[*], and includes two of the Tekton faces. It retails > for $198. This in my opinion is a Good Deal, because the packages > purchased separately would come out around $3,000. A list of the > fonts in the Adobe Type Basics package is appended to this message. > $198 is not a good deal for student. Consider NeXTSTEP for student is of $249. And I pay Adobe the license of the PS ROM and interpreter with my HP PS printer. Paying another $198 for the fonts is ... hmmm... I wish there is student discount on that. Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cousens@biztech.com Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Message-ID: <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 00:49:06 GMT Ben the simplest way is to set the HOSTNAME shell variable in /etc/hostconfig. BUT, BEWARE, I don't remember what this will do to your NetInfo resolution. I actually do it myself, but I have entries in NetInfo which map the hostName to different IP addresses. Any NetInfo gurus out there have any comments? In article <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> boonlow@malibu.sfu.ca (Boon Chong Benjamin Low) writes: > Hey there, > Plz take some time to anwser a rookie question. > I am getting quite sick of the localhost prompt all the time > > Is there an easy/or hard way to change the host name to something else ? > > Thanks, > > - Ben.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrown@wri.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Message-ID: <CoKsv6.Cuq@wri.com> Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> <1994Apr18.212814.1844@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 20:57:04 GMT >In article <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> boonlow@malibu.sfu.ca (Boon Chong >Benjamin Low) writes: > Hey there, > Plz take some time to anwser a rookie question. > I am getting quite sick of the localhost prompt all the time > > Is there an easy/or hard way to change the host name to something else ? Hello, Here's something you might want to try. The hostname doesn't actually change but the prompt does. Anyway, this has made my life a bit easier and maybe you'll find it usefull too. Try typing the following line: alias cd 'cd \!*; set prompt="$cwd [\\!] > "' What this does is everytime you change directories, your prompt changes to reflect your present directory. This way you don't have to type pwd all the time and if you pushd or popd alot you don't have to wonder where you're at (I made some changes to these two commands too. If you're interested - let me know). If you have a directory burried deep it does make the prompt look ugly but give it a try. This line can be typed directly from command line (of course, by doing it that way, once you log out it is no longer in effect). You can place this line in your .login or .cshrc file so that everytime you open a shell it takes effect. Or, you can create a file called .alias and place all your aliases in this file and then place the line source /path/.alias in the .login or .cshrc file. Where /path/.alias is the full path pointing to the location of the .alias file you want to use. Hope this helps. Have fun! Dan
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Undocumented options to w/uptime Date: 21 Apr 1994 06:09:31 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2p55ar$d6j@nic-nac.CSU.net> More useless trivia to amuse your friends! Note: w and uptime are hard links to the same executable; w -u = uptime uptime -w = w w -d Secret debugging option; intersperses ps-style output. Some other UNIX systems also have this (e.g. HP/UX and SunOS 4.1.3--but not Solaris 2.3). uptime -m Displays "Mach factors" instead of load averages. -f seems to be a synonym. [-m is actually useful, and probably should be documented.] -=EPS=-
From: kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Kenny Leung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: midi stuff Date: 21 Apr 1994 05:54:43 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2p54f3$mhh@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Hi All. Can a guy still get Pinnacle Sequence, and a midi box to got with it for a NeXT cube? --- Kenny Leung System Administrator University of Alberta Hospital Neurology 403-492-8648 Phone 403-480-3650 Pager (Preferred) 403-433-0427 Fax kenny@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca ------------------------------------------------------- "It wouldn't be Windows without windows within windows"
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: visa/mc .eps Date: 21 Apr 1994 07:30:53 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2p5a3d$hh2@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <1994Apr19.231220.78800@yuma> In article <1994Apr19.231220.78800@yuma> randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) writes: >I'm looking for an eps file of the visa and / or master card logo, in color of >course. Can anyone tell me where to find such a beast? T/Maker? (Their very nice grayscale "AmEx.eps" was distributed in Lotus Improv's "ClickArtSampler" folder, for those of you old enough to remember...) -=EPS=-
From: os9@bga.com (Michael R. M. Cheselka) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CDPlayer.app, ISDN, and other NeXT questions Date: 21 Apr 1994 02:34:47 -0500 Organization: Real/Time Communications - Bob Gustwick and Associates Message-ID: <2p5aan$bbu@ivy.bga.com> How can I play CD's through the headphones port on the back of the Monitor? I read in a magazine( NextReview, or maybe it was called NextWorld?( how many NeXT magazines are there?)) about an ISDN adapter for the NeXT that would cost about 100$. Do anyone have any experience with this? How can I launch the mail app on startup, in a hidden state? Of course, I am new to NeXT, NeXT flames welcome :-). -- cheselka@donna.rtf.utexas.edu N5UVV Michael R. M. Cheselka os9@gnu.ai.mit.edu Hangs out on 145.21mhz 400 W. 34th. St. #103 os9@bga.org and 147.18mhz Austin, TX 78705-1331 os9@io.com W (512) 472-9549v 4pm-6pm,M-F H (512) 452-9412v 24hrs
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking info on ISDN connectivity Date: 21 Apr 1994 09:55:37 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2p5iip$m6@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <1994Apr18.172437.2133@afs.com> <BURNS.94Apr20175735@wildcat.bellcore.com> In article <BURNS.94Apr20175735@wildcat.bellcore.com>, James E. Burns <burns@bellcore.com> wrote: >The Hayes Extender is essentially dead. It depends on the PhoneKit, >which as far as I know has never been picked up. In any case, it I thought it was picked up by Pencom, but then shelved. We have two of them, gathering dust. We were fairly pissed about it at the time. >doesn't support the National ISDN-1 standard (although you might be >able to use it if your switch has the AT&T ISDN option). You can use >ISDN with the Cube (I am, even as I speak), but the max speed is >38.4K over the serial port. I'm using ISDN, incidentally on a cube, but it can be used on any ethernet using the right bridges or hubs, and with compression, speeds in the .5 Mbps range are possible. All it takes is money. -- <> Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on <> too long. <> -- Ogden Nash -- Opinions expressed herein have no connection with the UW-Madison. Jess Anderson anderson@doit.wisc.edu
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTmail's uuencode/tar format (?) Date: 21 Apr 1994 08:08:07 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2p58on$ad5@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <9404202052.AA22414@alleg.edu> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >In comp.sys.next.misc article <2p2s7g$hq@steffi.demon.co.uk> you >wrote: > gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) wrote > in comp.sys.next.misc > >I've recieved a couple of pieces of NeXTmail on a non-NeXT > >system, and have forwarded these to my NeXT account. The > >mail appears to be in an encoded/tarred format. My efforts > >to uudecode and untar have not worked. > > > >Is there a FAQ on this somewhere? Any suggestions appreciated. > > > > Try... > > > saving the message to file. > > > uudecode file | uncompress | tar xvf - Yes that won't work sorry about that I should have tested it first. try this instead.... if all you want to do is see what's in the message if attatchments are there. uudecode filename uncompress < .tar* | tar xvf - Assuming one .tar file here. >cat filename >> /usr/spool/mail/`whoami` This will work also providing all of the headers are correct... The above is a brute force method. -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to change hostname on PC without ethernet ? Date: 21 Apr 1994 08:43:54 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2p5arq$aq6@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2p0f71$j31@gpo.gb.swissbank.com> <1994Apr20.174931.6904@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >In article <2p0f71$j31@gpo.gb.swissbank.com> robertg@bonham.sbc.co.uk (Guy >Roberts) writes: >> All of this reminds me of a problem that my daughter's boyfriend's >uncle's >> friend is having. This person has a PC running NextStep 3.2. The machine >> has no ethernet hardware but is has a modem attached to a serial port >over >> which a SLIP network interface runs. >> >> He used HostManager.app to set the IP address and hostname of the >> standalone machine. The reboot procedure hangs and has to be interupted >> with control-C to finish. The machine seems to be looking for a NetInfo >> server. When booted, NetInfo is *not* running. > >3.2 Intel is stuffed. You don't need to set an IP address for the en >interface, when using SLIP. Just set the hostname, and it should boot OK. As far as I can tell there's no difference in 3.2 Motoralla either. In fact it's correct to not have an address specified. When I had an address specified getbyhostname() wasn't properly returning a fqdn. # # /etc/hostconfig # # This file sets up shell variables used by the various rc scripts to # configure the host. Edit this file instead of rc.boot. # # Warning: This is sourced by /bin/sh. Make sure there are no spaces # on either side of the "=". # # There are some special keywords used by rc.boot and the programs it # calls: # # -AUTOMATIC- Configure automatically # -YES- Turn a feature on # -NO- Leave a feature off or do not configure # HOSTNAME=steffi INETADDR= ROUTER=-NO- IPNETMASK= IPBROADCAST=-AUTOMATIC- NETMASTER=-NO- YPDOMAIN=-NO- TIME=-AUTOMATIC- -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: dagole@altus.altus.no (Dag Ole Storrosten) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fortran Compiler Date: 21 Apr 1994 11:14:56 GMT Organization: UniNett Message-ID: <2p5n7g$sbh@ratatosk.uninett.no> I want to use Nextstep for running Fortran routines with better user interface on an Intel-computer. The routines are written for Sun/HP-computers under Unix V. Where do I get a fortran-compiler for running under Nextstep or it s Unix without paying a fortune? Christian Brudevoll Altus Interactive Norway Please reply to: -- email:dagole@altus.no
From: fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: C.Flemming's mathlink examples??? Date: 21 Apr 1994 08:35:41 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Message-ID: <2p5rut$o8b@nova.umd.edu> References: <9404200123.AA22289@alleg.EDU> Also of interest on this thread is the UHMath palette. The latest version seems to be working very well. Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: disc@vector.casti.com (David Casti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NeXTMail and MIME? Date: 21 Apr 1994 14:40:58 GMT Organization: The Gnomes of Zurich (shhh!) Message-ID: <2p639s$diu@news.intercon.com> Hi folks, Does NeXT have any plans to support MIME in their Mail.app? I understand there are some 3rd party MIME mailers (I couldn't locate them on the net this morning, though), but I'm really hoping that NeXT, Inc. won't miss the MIME boat, as it were. Thanks for any info. David.
From: tll@cco.caltech.edu (Tal Lewis Lancaster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Visual File Differ? Date: 21 Apr 1994 15:51:54 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2p67eq$f0u@gap.cco.caltech.edu> I am looking for something that will visually display the differences between two files. For example as you are scrolling down the two files the differences will be in separate colors (or somekind of highlighting). Is there something like this available under NeXTStep? If there is something like this that runs under X that would be an option, too. Thanks. Tal Lancaster --
The Principal from "Buffy, The Vampire Slayer", "I think the students learned an important lesson on safety." ########################################################################### #################################################################### From: mark@snapdragon.cs.odu.edu (Mark Imbriaco) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking info on ISDN connectivity Date: 21 Apr 1994 16:25:00 GMT Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <MARK.94Apr21122500@snapdragon.cs.odu.edu> References: <1994Apr18.172437.2133@afs.com> <BURNS.94Apr20175735@wildcat.bellcore.com> <2p5iip$m6@news.doit.wisc.edu> In-reply-to: anderson@macc.wisc.edu's message of 21 Apr 1994 09:55:37 GMT > I'm using ISDN, incidentally on a cube, but it can be used > on any ethernet using the right bridges or hubs, and with > compression, speeds in the .5 Mbps range are possible. All > it takes is money. Yeah. Combinet ISDN bridges are about US$1000 or so, and they support compression so you could get somewhere in the .25 Mbps range. Gandalf bridges support a better compression system and advertise 8:1 or 1 Mbps over the standard ISDN (2 b-channels) service. -- --- Mark Imbriaco mark@cs.odu.edu
From: ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NeXTMail and MIME? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 21 Apr 1994 16:51:44 GMT Organization: Academic Computing Services, Sheffield University Message-ID: <2p6av0$f50@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <2p639s$diu@news.intercon.com> David Casti (disc@vector.casti.com) wrote: : Does NeXT have any plans to support MIME in their Mail.app? I understand : there are some 3rd party MIME mailers (I couldn't locate them on the net : this morning, though), but I'm really hoping that NeXT, Inc. won't miss : the MIME boat, as it were. : There have been occasional postings from NeXT employees which have included a MIME header: it is widely rumoured that Mail.app II will support MIME, although it is not clear when Mail II will ship. Best guess is October, with NS3.3. If you want MIME now, you coult try Eloquent, from Take Three eloquent_info@arissoft.com Version 1.01c due out very soon. Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Where do I buy Adobe fonts now... In-Reply-To: chris@helser54.res.iastate.edu's message of 21 Apr 1994 01:51:56 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Apr21102347@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <1994Apr19.233947.8335@trilithon.com> <2p4m7s$rdm@news.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 17:23:47 GMT Chris Wong writes: Chris> $198 is not a good deal for student. Consider NeXTSTEP for student Chris> is of $249. And I pay Adobe the license of the PS ROM and Chris> interpreter with my HP PS printer. Paying another $198 for the fonts Chris> is ... hmmm... $198 may not be what a student can afford, but for those typefaces, it is a good deal. If you can't afford the $198, look into finding PD fonts. They're not of high quality, but you do get what you paid for. Or, look for some of the cheaper alternatives out on the market - again, not of the best quality, but they may suit your purpose. Trilithon has a PC font converter program, so that you can buy Type 1 fonts "for Windows" and use Henry's program to install them. (Make sure they are Type 1, NeXT, thank goodness, hasn't put the TrueType rasterizer in yet.) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === === Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Visual File Differ? In-Reply-To: tll@cco.caltech.edu's message of 21 Apr 1994 15:51:54 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Apr21102636@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <2p67eq$f0u@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 17:26:36 GMT Tal Lewis Lancaster writes: Tal> I am looking for something that will visually display the differences Tal> between two files. For example as you are scrolling down the two files Tal> the differences will be in separate colors (or somekind of Tal> highlighting). You can either use the 3.2 FileMerge program included as a demo program in the developer package, or use the new "emerge" facility in Emacs19. Both are excellent solutions for file merging. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === === Truth is a process, not an end.
From: andrewp@lpl.arizona.edu (Andrew Papanikolas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Does NS use X? Date: 21 Apr 1994 17:36:29 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, CCIT Message-ID: <2p6dit$e09@auggie.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Hello, I am considering the purchase of a NeXTstation. I do have a couple of questions... 1) Does NeXTstep use an X protocol in it's windowing system. I could save some money if I bought the mnachine headless and sent the windows to my sun. If NS does not use an X protocol, is it possible to compile an X server for the machine? 2) Is the NS kernel based on the Mach microkernel, or is it the pre-microkernel version? Thanks, -Andrew Papanikolas Lunar and Planetary Lab Univfersity of Arizona Tucson, AZ andrewp@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wfischer@bio.indiana.edu (Will Fischer) Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Message-ID: <CoMEu2.CuI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington References: <CoKsv6.Cuq@wri.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 17:49:13 GMT Dan Brown (dbrown@wri.com) wrote: : >In article <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> boonlow@malibu.sfu.ca (Boon Chong : >Benjamin Low) writes: : > Hey there, : > Plz take some time to anwser a rookie question. : > I am getting quite sick of the localhost prompt all the time : > : > Is there an easy/or hard way to change the host name to something else ? I'm surprised no consensus has been posted. I changed my hostname with HostManager, but found I also had to put "hostname gargoyle" in /etc/rc.local to get the name showing up everyhere. This worked: is it the standard thing to do? -- Will ________________________________________________________________________ Will Fischer wfischer@indiana.edu wfischer@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu Grad Student wfischer@ucs.indiana.edu Department of Biology wfischer@ac.dal.ca Indiana University (take your pick!) Bloomington, Indiana 47405 USA fax 812-333-7922
From: fodea@pelican.ma.utexas.edu (Fergus O'Dea) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT notebook Date: 21 Apr 1994 20:36:14 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2p6o3u$4rl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Is there a possibility that a notebook/powerbook with NeXTSTEP compatibility may be produced at some stage in the future?
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: kernel panic exception (6,3,1), NS/I on GW2K P5-66 Date: 21 Apr 1994 21:00:40 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <2p6pho$6ac@Times.Stanford.EDU> I finally got my system completely assembled, configured, partitioned, and loaded with NEXTSTEP 3.2 for Intel. Yeah! Mostly it seems to work great, except... Very occasionally (once every 5-7 boots roughly), I get a kernel panic which crashes the boot process and I have to reboot, which usually works. When it does boot correctly, most everything seems to work fine. Does anyone have any clue what's going on? More importantly, is this really bad, or just a minor booting hassle? I've got a matter of days to decide whether to ship the Gatewauy back before my 30 day money-back period is up. Should I be worried? The exact text I see when booting wih diagnostic messages is the following: ----- <after registering various devices> rootdev 600, howto 0 panic: (Cpu 0) vfs_mount root: cannot mount root panic: NeXT Mach 3.2: Mon Oct 18 22:08:07 PDT 1993; root (rcbuilder): mk-149.30.15.obj~2/RC_i386/RELEASE_I386 kernel panic exception (6,3,1) Waiting for remote debugger connection. (Type 'c' to continue or 'r' to reboot) ----- My exact configuration: Gateway 2000 P5-66 Best Buy, Pentium 66MHz, Intel 2 PCI / 3 ISA / 1 interleaved motherboard, 32MB RAM Seagate ST11200N 1GB SCSI HD Adaptec 1542CF ISA SCSI controller NEC 3xi internal triple-speed SCSI CD-ROM (model CDR-510) Miro Crystal 32S 4MB PCI video card Intel EtherExpress16 ISA network card MS Windows Sound System ISA sound card running NEXTSTEP 3.2 for Intel. SCSI setup: physical layout: Adaptec 1542CF connected to HD by one SCSI cable with a SCSI connector in the middle of the cable connected to the CD-ROM drive. There's about 11 1/2 - 11 3/4 " of cable between the CD-ROM and the HD, and about twice that between the CD-ROM and the controller. logical settings: SCSI ID terminated Adaptec 1542CF 7 yes (IRQ: 11, DMA channel: 6) Seagate ST11200N 0 yes NEC 3xi 1 no All the SCSI setup settings on the Adaptec card are identical to the NextAnswers document on it (memory address, etc.). I can't seem to find any pattern of when the panic happens and when it doesn't. It has happenend and not happened on soft reboots, hardware reset button reboots, and power-up boots in seemingly all possible contexts. I had decided to gamble and see if NS/I worked on a computer significantly cheaper than any of the equivalent officially supported systems, and it seems to run great on this Gateway. (A friend of mine who owns a great NeXTStation color turbo says my system feels great to him.) I had hoped that buying only completely known compatible and robust peripherals would insure that compatibility was a very all-or-nothing issue: if I could get it to install correctly, it would work, otherwise it wouldn't work at all. (I figured it would mostly depend on the only unsupported factor--the motherboard.) I think it is very strange that booting from power-up gives non-deterministic behavior. Any help much appreciated. -Karl P.S. I intend to post a long summary of configuration info, general information about buying an Intel computer to run NEXTSTEP, advice, impressions, thanx, etc. as soon as I'm sure I'm keeping the system. Until then, I can provide specific information on request. I'd like this to become a "listed system" in NextAnswers because I think it is a great system.
From: Roland Telfeyan <roland@gomidas.mi.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fortran Compiler Date: 21 Apr 1994 22:01:01 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2p6t2t$8d4@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <2p5n7g$sbh@ratatosk.uninett.no> In article <2p5n7g$sbh@ratatosk.uninett.no> dagole@altus.altus.no (Dag Ole Storrosten) writes: > Where do I get a fortran-compiler for running under Nextstep or > it s Unix without paying a fortune? Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 11:44:58 -0500 To: Roland Telfeyan <roland@gomidas.mi.org> From: Brian J. Helinski <bjh@absoft.com> FORTRAN 77 for NeXTSTEP 68030/040 (Sys 2.1 or 3.x*) $995.00 FORTRAN 77 for NeXTSTEP Intel (16MB RAM Sys 3.1*) $995.00 * Operating System 3.0 and above may require the Developers Release of NeXTSTEP. If we can be of anymore assistance please do not hesitate to call. Brian J. Helinski Absoft Tech Support phone: (810) 853-0050 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Telfeyan Solid State Electronics Laboratory telfeyan@eecs.umich.edu University of Michigan EECS Department ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft=sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.software Subject: play CDs through sound card over system bus? Date: 21 Apr 1994 22:06:20 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <2p6tcs$7nq@Times.Stanford.EDU> Is there any software which allows one to play CDs in the CD-ROM drive over the speakers connected to the sound-card, even when there is no direct connection between the CD-ROM drive and the sound-card other than the SCSI bus and system bus? I've got an NEC 3xi SCSI CD-ROM and MS-Windows Sound System ISA sound card on my NS/I 3.2 system, but the sound card has no internal input to connect directly to the CD-ROM inside the computer like many sound cards (SoundBlaster and PAS16 I believe are examples) seem to. I like the CDPlayer.app, but want the sound to come out of my speakers, not headphones. (And of course I could connect the speakers to the headphone jack of the CD-ROM drive instead of the sound-card, but then I wouldn't hear the system sounds, and buying 2 sets of speakers is just absurd.) Seems like it should be possible to write software to transfer the music over the system bus. Might take processor cycles, but that's okay. The only other option would be to connect the output from the headphone jack of the CD-ROM drive back into the line-in of the sound card. This would require another cable. Also, it isn't clear to me how you would record CD-ROM music into the sound-card without software which does essentially this (or the last option mentioned above). -Karl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anis@padd.org (Anis Khwaja) Subject: SpellCheck services. Message-ID: <CoLEsK.2oo@padd.org> Organization: People Against Dating Drunk. Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 04:50:44 GMT All, Is there a program that provides spell check services? thanks anis anis@padd.org
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc,su.computers.next Subject: robustness testing before performance tuning Date: 21 Apr 1994 23:12:03 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2p7183$903@Times.Stanford.EDU> An important question and some (I think) useful ideas and philosophy follow. And at the end I issue two challenges... Basic question: Is there any software, or are there any things to check by hand, to test out a new NEXTSTEP system when things appear to work correctly in order to determine with high confidence that everything is in fact working properly and there aren't any hidden incompatibility problems? Background: With all the complaints about incompatibility in the NS/I world, I posted a while ago a question about whether NS/I compatibility was a black and white issue or whether there were shades of gray. That is, if you go out and buy a non-supported system, does successful NS installation and brief use of all system components indicate that there is a good likelihood that everything works fine and is completely compatible? Specifically, it is easy to determine the supported components for NS/I and stick to those. The real potential for problems is with the motherboard. How likely is it that a motherboard can be 80% compatible, or 90% compatible, in ways that aren't ilkely to be noticed in the first 30 days of ownership? It certainly seems to be the case that certain peripherals (e.g., ProAudioStudio16 ISA sound card) seem to cause intermittant problems (freeze up and crash the OS). [Philosophizing & soap-box mode on] In general, it seems when people buy a new sophisticated computer system (NS or other), the first thing they do once it is set up (in addition to playing games or gawking at multimedia type stuff) is to start doing performance benchmarking. (At least serious computer junkies seem to.) This makes some sense since presumably they always could have bought cheaper systems if they were willing to suffer from worse performance of some kind. So benchmarking is a way to check that they got their money's worth. In addition, after an initial set of performance evaluations (and after bragging about these on the net and to their computer-junky-inclined friends :-) ) they can try to improve their systmes scores by fiddling with various things. This has some utility since presumably it will improve the quality of their system. But still, it seems to me they have missed something, namely robustness testing. Things often go wrong with computer systems and they should try to make whatever is going to go wrong actually do so as soon as possible. This is admittedly, a significantly less important issue in worlds where there are few or no compatibility issues, since it applies mostly to compatibility problems (since actual hardwar failures are tested for more extensively before shipping and also are covered under warranty for a reasonably long period of time). But in the NS/Intel world this is especially important. Furthermore, I would claim that compatibility problmes will be increasingly important in the future as more and more hardware is capable of running more and more different software and operating systems. Thus, this will be an issue for more and more people. Having gotten no responses to my black & white vs. shades of gray question, I went ahead and bought a Gateway Pentium to run NS/I, even though it was not a certified or listed NextAnswers system, having heard over the net of one person successfully installing NS on the Intel motherboard used in these systems. I installed NS and everything seems to work, for the most part, great (and fast too! :-) ). So what should I do now, in the roughly 1 week I have left before my 30 days are up to put my new system through its paces? Challenge (1): Send me the hardest tasks you think a NEXTSTEP system has to face that you think are most likely to cause problems to show up if they exist. Challenge (2): I think someone who has access to a lot of different PC hardware should design a piece of software and/or suite of tests which would with high confidence (I'd be impressed by 75%) and in only a few hours expose problems which still exist after NEXTSTEP installation. Or do you actually believe that both challenges are a waste of time because you have confidence that compatibility issues are black or white. Care to back up the opinion? -Karl
From: hbott@esu.edu (Howard B Ott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: kernel panic exception (6,3,1), NS/I on GW2K P5-66 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 22 Apr 1994 01:10:57 GMT Organization: East Stroudsburg University, Pennsylvania Message-ID: <2p7871$j7i@jake.esu.edu> References: <2p6pho$6ac@Times.Stanford.EDU> Karl Robert Pfleger (kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote: : I finally got my system completely assembled, configured, partitioned, : and loaded with NEXTSTEP 3.2 for Intel. Yeah! Mostly it seems to work : great, except... : Very occasionally (once every 5-7 boots roughly), I get a kernel panic : which crashes the boot process and I have to reboot, which usually : works. When it does boot correctly, most everything seems to work fine. : ----- : <after registering various devices> : rootdev 600, howto 0 : panic: (Cpu 0) vfs_mount root: cannot mount root : panic: NeXT Mach 3.2: Mon Oct 18 22:08:07 PDT 1993; root (rcbuilder): mk-149.30.15.obj~2/RC_i386/RELEASE_I386 : kernel panic exception (6,3,1) : Waiting for remote debugger connection. : (Type 'c' to continue or 'r' to reboot) : ----- I have the same problem, my config is DELL XPS 66Mhz 486 ATI ULTRA pro VLB Adaptec 1542C ISA SCSI controller Intel EtherExpress16 ISA network card NEC CDR74 Fujitsu 520 MB No sound card running NEXTSTEP 3.2 for Intel. Berk Ott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: visa/mc .eps Message-ID: <1994Apr20.192132.10742@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <1994Apr19.231220.78800@yuma> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 19:21:32 GMT In article <1994Apr19.231220.78800@yuma> randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) writes: * I'm looking for an eps file of the visa and / or master * card logo, in color of course. Can anyone tell me where to * find such a beast? I think you can get Visa, MasterCard, and American Express, EPS files, from the T/Maker company in Mountain View. They're at (415) 962-0195. ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: melling@trddsk.com (Michael Mellinger) Subject: Janus CD Message-ID: <1994Apr20.204928.4472@trddsk.com> Organization: Trading Desk Systems Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 20:49:28 GMT Are people still receiving the Janus CD for the NeXT? I have only ever received disk one. I'm curious about whether anyone else has had any problems with Janus? -Mike melling@trddsk.com
From: silbar@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: kernel panic exception (6,3,1), NS/I on GW2K P5-66 Date: 21 Apr 1994 21:37 MST Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico Distribution: world Message-ID: <21APR199421370648@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov> References: <2p6pho$6ac@Times.Stanford.EDU> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <2p6pho$6ac@Times.Stanford.EDU>, kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) writes... >I finally got my system completely assembled, configured, partitioned, Go get the newer Adaptec drivers from ftp.next.com.
From: chris@helser54.res.iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Janus CD Date: 22 Apr 1994 07:13:35 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Message-ID: <2p7tev$8ip@news.iastate.edu> References: <1994Apr20.204928.4472@trddsk.com> In article <1994Apr20.204928.4472@trddsk.com> melling@trddsk.com (Michael Mellinger) writes: > Are people still receiving the Janus CD for the NeXT? I have only > ever received disk one. I'm curious about whether anyone else has had > any problems with Janus? I haven't received disk two either. > -Mike > melling@trddsk.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: DBTableview and double-clicking Message-ID: <1994Apr22.041421.16955@pcp.ca> Keywords: dbtableview, dbtablevector Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 04:14:21 GMT Hello there: I have a tableview in which I set the double action to be a method called doThis: in my Controller class. When I double-click on the title bar (i.e, the DBTableVector), the tableview receive a doThis: message. I would have expected that the tableview only receive this message if the double-click happened in one of the rows, not in the title. Is there an easy way of setting up the tableview so that the Controller only receive the doThis: message if the double-click happens in one of the rows and not the title? Please e-mail me and I'll summarize. Thanks in advance, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca alex@oolesson.com
From: dlr@underdog (Donald L. Ritchey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where do I buy Adobe fonts now... Date: 22 Apr 1994 04:27:10 GMT Organization: Abbott Laboratories Message-ID: <2p7jmu$4kg@kelso.abbott.com> References: <BYER.94Apr21102347@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Keywords: extortion In article <BYER.94Apr21102347@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: > > Chris Wong writes: > > Chris> $198 is not a good deal for student. Consider NeXTSTEP for student > Chris> is of $249. And I pay Adobe the license of the PS ROM and > Chris> interpreter with my HP PS printer. Paying another $198 for the fonts > Chris> is ... hmmm... > > $198 may not be what a student can afford, but for those typefaces, > it is a good deal. > > If you can't afford the $198, look into finding PD fonts. They're > not of high quality, but you do get what you paid for. > No, $198 for this set of fonts is NOT a good deal. Adobe has been leaning on the Mac, PC and NeXT communities for years, overcharging for their product and squashing out any who would seek ways around their monopoly. Even their competitors have to pay ransom for the ability to use their technology. Why do you think Micro-Sludge came out with TrueType fonts, if not to get out from under Adobe's thumb. I recall threats and intimidation aimed at GNU for their GhostScript project, as well. When I can get MicroSludge TrueType fonts for Windows at 1/10 the price Adobe charges [and you can't tell me that PS fonts are 10 times as good as TT], then if it grunts like a pig, and it smells like a pig, and it wallows in the mud like a pig, then, by golly, it must be a pig. This reminds me of the line from General Bullmoose, the Little Abner comic strip's arch-capitolist: "What's good for General Bullmoose, is good for the USA..." > Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com > Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and > 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect > Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. > === === > Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power. But absolute power does such a good job of scre... Oops! Excuse me, squeezing the public. -- Donald L. Ritchey | :-) Certified Lunatic and dlr@woodstock.abbott.com | Unix System Administrator :-) You knew the job was dangerous when you took it ... - SuperChicken
From: mgilula@inca.gate.net (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MicrophonePro Date: 21 Apr 1994 19:37:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2p72og$f5i@inca.gate.net> Please forgive this "double post" (also on sysadmin) but I figured that my original post was to the wrong group. Help. I am trying to locate the supergreathuman writer of Microphone Pro (Michael Rutman) as I don't have a correct email address for him anymore. I am having trouble figuring out how to rid myself of spurious controlQ's and controlS's that the software is generating on my Internet node despite my having the software configured for hardware flow control. A couple of us with NeXT's on this node (an RS6000 running AIX ) are having the same problem with MP. It does not happen when we use our Macs to logon to the same node. Anyone with this problem in the past? Or anyone have a current email address for Michael Rutman (who has always been extremely kind and generous with his time, in my experience). -73- -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@inca.gate.net el que busca nada mucho encuentra" Carpe resurrectionem mortuorum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing from windows to NeXT laser Message-ID: <2p65kg$jq1@algol.ksc.nasa.gov> From: dave-crawford@ksc.nasa.gov (David E. Crawford) Date: 21 Apr 1994 15:20:48 GMT Organization: NASA Kennedy Space Center Here's the results from my plea for help re. trying to print from a PC running Windows LPR Spooler 3.1a to a NeXT 400 dpi laser on a cube running system 3.0. We did get this to work (mostly), though the print comes out first page first (i.e. backwards for the NeXT) and we haven't figured out how to make it print landscape mode yet. In Wlprspl, we had to use the "l" lpr filetype option in the queue definition. NeXT lpr doesn't like the "o" postscript option. In Windows control panel, we selected the generic postscript driver, and set the option to print to an encapsulated postscript file. If you set up your spool file as a device (in win.ini) and print directly to the device rather than selecting the eps file option, the annoying ^D character is prepended to the spool file and NeXT 3.0 barfs on it; 3.2+ has fixed this problem, supposedly. Microsoft and one of the respondants to my posting suggested including the line "CTRLD=0" in win.ini under the [Postscript,<my_spool_filename>] section to get rid of the control-D character when printing to the device. This had no effect with the windows postscript driver we were using, but the eps setting got us around it. Thanks to the following for their input: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Jim De Arras <jmd@cube.handheld.com> haas@avalon.unizh.ch (haas thomas) Ron Parise <parise@gelato.gsfc.nasa.gov> Bill Gates' corporate telephonically-indentured support humans David.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Message-ID: <1994Apr21.154941.1165@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 15:49:41 GMT In article <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> cousens@biztech.com writes: > Ben > the simplest way is to set the HOSTNAME shell variable in > /etc/hostconfig. BUT, BEWARE, I don't remember what this will do to I had similar problems when 1st setting up my NeXT. My question is for NeXT. Where in the instructions for setting up a standalone machine is there information on how to set the host name. Simple step-by-step instructions would be nice. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
From: disc@vector.casti.com (David Casti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Does NS use X? Date: 22 Apr 1994 11:31:35 GMT Organization: The Gnomes of Zurich (shhh!) Message-ID: <2p8cio$f2t@news.intercon.com> References: <2p6dit$e09@auggie.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Andrew Papanikolas (andrewp@lpl.arizona.edu) wrote: : 1) Does NeXTstep use an X protocol in it's windowing system. I could save : some money if I bought the mnachine headless and sent the windows to : my sun. If NS does not use an X protocol, is it possible to compile an : X server for the machine? No, it uses a technology superior to X. The problem is, its use is not widespread. You can compile an X display server on the machine. David.
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc,su.computers.next Subject: Re: robustness testing before performance tuning Date: 22 Apr 1994 12:54:48 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2p8heo$l74@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2p7183$903@Times.Stanford.EDU> In article <2p7183$903@Times.Stanford.EDU>, Karl Robert Pfleger <kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote: >An important question and some (I think) useful ideas and philosophy follow. >And at the end I issue two challenges... > >Basic question: Is there any software, or are there any things to check >by hand, to test out a new NEXTSTEP system when things appear to work >correctly in order to determine with high confidence that everything is in >fact working properly and there aren't any hidden incompatibility problems? > > Background deleted > >Challenge (1): Send me the hardest tasks you think a NEXTSTEP system has >to face that you think are most likely to cause problems to show up if >they exist. > >Challenge (2): I think someone who has access to a lot of different >PC hardware should design a piece of software and/or suite of tests >which would with high confidence (I'd be impressed by 75%) and in only a >few hours expose problems which still exist after NEXTSTEP installation. > >Or do you actually believe that both challenges are a waste of time >because you have confidence that compatibility issues are black or white. >Care to back up the opinion? > I'd have to say that the hardest task is simply getting NEXTSTEP itself to run. There's no application in general that is going to exercise the basic hardware of the computer, memory, video interfaces, disk I/O, interrupts and dma more than NS itself. Then of course you have specific interfaces and/or hardware that NS itself won't directly exercise in the course of everyday operation, but these tend to rather specific to the mission the user has intended (ie:peripherals and applications related to them). The difficulty you encounter at this point is whether you are testing the hardware or NS itself with any particular package. NS requires/demands good performance of its components. Hardware flaws or firmware bugs in cards or peripherals or masked by BIOS code that escaped notice in lesser Operatings Systems (msdos, windoze,...) can interfer with NS operation. Bugs within NS (the few that exist ;-) can make it difficult to debug certain types of problems. I suspect we could probably come up with a general list of Apps to run and some additional test code to use as a system exerciser, but you are not going to find those problems that make you want to tear your hair out until you can't run the application YOU need. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft=sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: play CDs through sound card over system bus? Date: 22 Apr 1994 10:47:14 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2p86f2$2sv@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2p6tcs$7nq@times.stanford.edu> kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft=sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.software >Is there any software which allows one to play CDs in the CD-ROM drive >over the speakers connected to the sound-card, even when there is no >direct connection between the CD-ROM drive and the sound-card other than >the SCSI bus and system bus? > >I've got an NEC 3xi SCSI CD-ROM and MS-Windows Sound System ISA sound >card on my NS/I 3.2 system, but the sound card has no internal input to >connect directly to the CD-ROM inside the computer like many sound cards >(SoundBlaster and PAS16 I believe are examples) seem to. I like the >CDPlayer.app, but want the sound to come out of my speakers, not >headphones. (And of course I could connect the speakers to the headphone >jack of the CD-ROM drive instead of the sound-card, but then I wouldn't >hear the system sounds, and buying 2 sets of speakers is just absurd.) Me too. Carl Edman wrote Play3401 to do that on M68K with a Toshiba drive and I'd like to see it work with my Apple CD300. The CDDA stuff is performed differently. b/w drives. Especially the Toshiba... > >Seems like it should be possible to write software to transfer the music >over the system bus. Might take processor cycles, but that's okay. It is possible the software already exists plenty for the Amiga. > >The only other option would be to connect the output from the headphone >jack of the CD-ROM drive back into the line-in of the sound card. This >would require another cable. I don't think the amplication will be large enough. -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Inspector.bundle Date: 22 Apr 1994 12:05:05 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9404221653.AA29923@alleg.EDU> I only recently discovered the WrapperInspector.bundle (which allows you to look inside folders which you would usually have to 'Open as Folder' in order to see the contents of, such as .app and .mbox folders) and TarInspector.bundle (which does what you'd expect from the name) on the archives. Are there any more of these around ? I would be interested in hearing about them if there are. Thanks TjL --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoff Kuenning) Subject: Re: SpellCheck services. References: <CoLEsK.2oo@padd.org> Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Message-ID: <1994Apr22.173400.8890@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 17:34:00 GMT In article <CoLEsK.2oo@padd.org> anis@padd.org (Anis Khwaja) writes: > Is there a program that provides spell check services? Ispell 3.1 comes with a NeXTStep interface. It is available from ftp.cs.ucla.edu, in the pub/ispell-3.1 directory. -- Geoff Kuenning geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu geoff@ITcorp.com
From: murshid@unit.edu (Murshid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PrePress Publishing Date: 17 Apr 1994 13:27:00 GMT Organization: University of California at San Diego Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ordf4$qbu@network.ucsd.edu> Keywords: negatives Is there a list of prepress publishing houses that take Next postscript or application (Create) files by NeXTmail or modem transfer and photostatically or linotronically process them to paper or negative? If you have this information please post and email to me at murshid@unit.edu. Thank you Murshid
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DBTableview and double-clicking Date: 22 Apr 1994 16:43:15 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2p8raj$5ng@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1994Apr22.041421.16955@pcp.ca> Keywords: dbtableview, dbtablevector Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) wrote in comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc >Hello there: > >I have a tableview in which I set the double action to be a method called >doThis: in my Controller class. When I double-click on the title bar (i.e, >the DBTableVector), the tableview receive a doThis: message. I would have >expected that the tableview only receive this message if the double-click >happened in one of the rows, not in the title. Is there an easy way of >setting up the tableview so that the Controller only receive the doThis: >message if the double-click happens in one of the rows and not the title? > >Please e-mail me and I'll summarize. > >Thanks in advance, > >Alex >Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca >alex@oolesson.com Here's a quick an easy solution... In your double action method just test... [tableView selectedRow] if you've clicked on a column (title) heading it's going to be -1 otherwise it's going to be the integer row value. you could try selectedColumnCount also I guess. - doubleClickAction:sender { if ([sender selectedRow] == -1) { return nil; } // normal doubleClickAction processing. return self; } -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrelli@blacky.emba.uvm.edu (Steven Borrelli) Subject: =="Dilbert" on the Net== Message-ID: <1994Apr22.182131.437@emba.uvm.edu> Sender: Steven Borrelli Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 18:21:31 GMT Re: Getting dailly Dilbert dose on the net Some people have had problems connecting to GNN (the Global Network Navigator). I'll try to summarize what I did to get a connection. (Note: I am running the X version of Mosaic, release 2.2) 1] Launch Mosiac and open the URL: (under the FILE menu) http://gnn.com ---> at this point you will get a "Welcome to GNN" message. 2] The next thing to do (after reading the terms of GNN) is to select a server near your site and register. 3] After you register, I add the site to my GNN hotlist (Menu: NAVIGATE/ADD CURRRENT TO HOTLIST....) 4] Find your way to the "Arcade" and then the "Comix" sections and you will be upon the item for the "Dilbert du jour". ( I also add this to my hotlist) 5] get your Dilbert fix, which comes in .gif format. I hope this helps you Dilbert Addicts! Cheers, Steve borrelli@emba.uvm.edu (P.S. Is there a Dilbert FTP site?)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: <none> Message-ID: <shahir.2.000AFEBF@asic.mtv.nec.com> From: shahir@asic.mtv.nec.com (Rajabzadeh, Shahir) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 10:59:37 Organization: Nec Electronics. Inc.
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Date: 22 Apr 1994 16:59:19 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2p8s8n$64h@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> <1994Apr21.154941.1165@nugget.rmnug.org> rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (Robert B. Love ) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >In article <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> cousens@biztech.com writes: >> Ben >> the simplest way is to set the HOSTNAME shell variable in >> /etc/hostconfig. BUT, BEWARE, I don't remember what this will do to > >I had similar problems when 1st setting up my NeXT. My question is >for NeXT. Where in the instructions for setting up a standalone >machine is there information on how to set the host name. Simple >step-by-step instructions would be nice. All a standlone machine has to have is.. a name... no ethernet address is needed. I believe if gethostbyname doesn't give you a fqdn you've configured wrongly... (speaking from experience, hi Carl) # # /etc/hostconfig # # This file sets up shell variables used by the various rc scripts to # configure the host. Edit this file instead of rc.boot. # # Warning: This is sourced by /bin/sh. Make sure there are no spaces # on either side of the "=". # # There are some special keywords used by rc.boot and the programs it # calls: # # -AUTOMATIC- Configure automatically # -YES- Turn a feature on # -NO- Leave a feature off or do not configure # HOSTNAME=steffi INETADDR= ROUTER=-NO- IPNETMASK= IPBROADCAST=-AUTOMATIC- NETMASTER=-NO- YPDOMAIN=-NO- TIME=-AUTOMATIC- -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Where do I buy Adobe fonts now... In-Reply-To: dlr@underdog's message of 22 Apr 1994 04:27:10 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Apr22151014@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <BYER.94Apr21102347@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> <2p7jmu$4kg@kelso.abbott.com> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 22:10:14 GMT Donald L Ritchey writes: Donald> No, $198 for this set of fonts is NOT a good deal. Adobe has been Donald> leaning on the Mac, PC and NeXT communities for years, overcharging Donald> for their product and squashing out any who would seek ways around Donald> their monopoly. While conspiracy theories are always fun to rant and rave about, they never face up to reality. Hey, if you thought we were overchanging so much, build your own and undercut us. Simple as that. As for "squashing out any who would seek ways around their monopoly", you are seriously overestimating Adobe's power in the PC world. Adobe is just a company, and can't force anybody to do anything. Besides, this statement clashes with your first assertion - to squash out competitors requires market share, at the sacrafice of price. As for monopoly, there have been multiple sources for Type 1 fonts for years. A monopoly means that there is only one supplier. Donald> Even their competitors have to pay ransom for the ability to use Donald> their technology. Amusing. And just how would Adobe do that? If they're competing with us, how are they paying ransom? There isn't any necessity to license *anything* from Adobe in order to compete. Donald> Why do you think Micro-Sludge came out with TrueType fonts, if not Donald> to get out from under Adobe's thumb. MicroSoft's licensing of the TrueType technology had to do with price - essentially free. MicroSoft isn't stupid; they realized they needed outline font technology. And when the choice came between a license fee (it wouldn't have mattered how low) and giving away a junk clone PostScript interpreter in exchange - well, Microsoft, more than any other OS vendor, doesn't want any licensing fees attached to their software. Even at the price of some quality. Donald> I recall threats and intimidation aimed at GNU for their Donald> GhostScript project, as well. Wow, we're really getting out into fantasy land here. Why would we threaten anyone for producing a PostScript interpreter? Adobe's business has always been built on the belief that you can sell quality software. Donald> When I can get MicroSludge TrueType fonts for Windows at 1/10 the Donald> price Adobe charges [and you can't tell me that PS fonts are 10 Donald> times as good as TT], then if it grunts like a pig, and it smells Donald> like a pig, and it wallows in the mud like a pig, then, by golly, it Donald> must be a pig. Where can you get 60-some odd TrueType fonts for $19 that aren't complete junk? I've seen packages of TrueType fonts for $70 that were of passing quality. Are the Adobe fonts twice as good? I don't know exactly, but if I were putting together a book, or publishing a newsletter, I wouldn't risk using "okay" quality - that's just being penny wise and pound foolish. I'm not going to say Adobe's fonts aren't pricey; they are. But that's because of the work that goes into them. If you don't need that quality, and don't want to pay that price, then don't. That's your perogative. We don't have a monopoly on Type 1 fonts, never really did. There are plenty of other places to buy Type 1 fonts. Now it's nice to have fantasies and conspiracy theories and all that, but many fantasies, like the ones you have posted, should have remained private. You have done nothing but embarass yourself in front of people who know better. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === === Everything is impossible until it isn't.
From: william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: =="Dilbert" on the Net== Date: 23 Apr 1994 01:21:12 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2p9t68$pja@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1994Apr22.182131.437@emba.uvm.edu> In article <1994Apr22.182131.437@emba.uvm.edu> borrelli@blacky.emba.uvm.edu (Steven Borrelli) writes: > Re: Getting dailly Dilbert dose on the net > > Some people have had problems connecting to GNN (the Global Network > Navigator). I'll try to summarize what I did to get a connection. > > (Note: I am running the X version of Mosaic, release 2.2) Just a quick note: Those of you who don't want to go through all the bother of dealing with X and Mosaic can use OmniWeb. Bill Grosso
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From: rogerhsu@kaiwan.com (Roger Y. Hsu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to Boot From DOS for a HDD Used for NS? Date: 22 Apr 1994 21:24:22 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310/527-4279,818/756-0180,714/741-2920) Message-ID: <2pa7tm$gaa@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Hi, I have a 200MB IDE HDD which was installed w/ NS for Intel. Now, I got a bigger SCSI HDD for the NS, and am trying to use the 200MB HDD in a 386 DOS system. The drive can be formatted, but it just can not boot from DOS. There is always some NS bootup message showing up when I try to boot form the drive. It seems that some area are permanently occupied by the NS OS. Anyone has any solution for this problem? Please e-mail. Thanks, Roger rogerhsu@kaiwan.com
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: window too big for notebook Date: 23 Apr 1994 07:46:45 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2pajp5$9en@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Hi. I'm using a Cypress notebook with NS and I want to know how to resize a window when the default size is bigger than the screen - i.e. the resize bar is where the mouse can't get it. Ack! Thanks, patricia@cco.caltech.edu
From: "Douglas A. Balog" <db6p+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: How to change SCSI addr of a Maxtor XT8380S ? Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 18:41:44 -0400 Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Qhi5_cC0hXsx01dktX@andrew.cmu.edu> Anyone know how to change the SCSI address of a Maxtor XT8380S drive from a Cube ? Thanks, Doug
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: SoftPC doesn't work with DOS partition Date: 23 Apr 1994 08:28:56 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2pam88$hfo@Times.Stanford.EDU> I finally loaded up SoftPC and figured out how to get access to my DOS partition (using preferences, mounting DOS partition as drive D: as per the on-line help). Problem is, most of the directories (all except \DOS pretty much) are unreadable, and I get the typical DOS retry, irnore, etc. message trying to do a DIR on them. Is this a problem with the fact that SoftPC is only DOS 5.0, while the DOS on my DOS partition is 6.2? If so, I can't believe this isn't mentioned anywhere in the on-line help. No mention under troubleshooting, under the section on mounting DOS partitions, or _anywhere_ that I could find. Argh! Is that it, or is there something else I'm missing? If version incompatibility is the culprit, what's the easiest way to get the DOS partition back into a form DOS 5.0 likes? People dreaming of SoftPC be forewarned! -Karl
From: ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: How to change SCSI addr of a Maxtor XT8380S ? Date: 23 Apr 1994 11:40:50 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2pb1g2$189@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <Qhi5_cC0hXsx01dktX@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Douglas A. Balog" <db6p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >Anyone know how to change the SCSI address of a Maxtor XT8380S drive from a >Cube ? SCSI ID JP37 JP36 JP35 0 out out out 1 out out in 2 out in out 3 out in in 4 in out out 5 in out in 6 in in out 7 in in in These jumpers are located approximately 3 inches behind the blue SCSI connector. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ernst Kloecker phone: ++49-30-6181635 e-mail: ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: seiberta@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Axel Seibert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Date: 23 Apr 1994 12:11:11 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <SEIBERTA.94Apr23141111@hphalle4.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> <1994Apr21.154941.1165@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> In-reply-to: rlove@raptor.rmnug.org's message of Thu, 21 Apr 1994 15:49:41 GMT In article <1994Apr21.154941.1165@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (Robert B. Love ) writes: In article <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> cousens@biztech.com writes: > Ben > the simplest way is to set the HOSTNAME shell variable in > /etc/hostconfig. BUT, BEWARE, I don't remember what this will do to I had similar problems when 1st setting up my NeXT. My question is for NeXT. Where in the instructions for setting up a standalone machine is there information on how to set the host name. Simple step-by-step instructions would be nice. I dared to install the following changes, up to now without any visible damage (see last few lines). If you are fearless, follow my steps (standard disclaimer regarding any guarantees apply :-)) Please read all the text before starting your experiments! Imagine, you want to set up your machine with the name your_hostname. Then do the following: 1) in /etc/hostconfig set hostname with the following line: HOSTNAME=your_hostname 2) in Hostmanager:Local Enter your_hostname in the field Hostname Up to here it was rather obvious; but sendmail will still resolve your address to login@localhost... and INN won't function either. 3) in NetInfoManager go into the directory machines; there you will find the entries localhost and broadcasthost. Click on localhost and choose from the menu edit ->duplicate (or whatever it is in English). Then name this new entry as your_hostname (and - if you like - your IP-Address). 4) Now go back to HostManager and choose Host -> Open Now there should be three entries: broadcasthost, localhost and your_hostname. (I once had no localhost, but two your_hostname entries. You must rename then one of the two your_hostname back to local_host by simply opening this entry and changing the relevant string. Maybe that was due to the fact, that I originally had given your_hostname as an alias to localhost. But that's not necessary any more, if you have followed my steps so far.) From now on, sendmail will happily deliver your mail as sender@your_hostname and INN will (if set up properly) function. But my talk still doesn't work. I always get the error "You don't exist. Go away." Maybe it has something to do with this setup? I don't know and I haven't found it explained so far, although I did rtfm (just in case...). No, I'm no NetInfo-Guru at all, and it took me several weeks to find this out and then only with the help of Christian Baur (cbaur@blabel.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de) and Andreas Wastl (wastl@atreidis.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de) I hope, this posting was usefull to some of you, and it contains no errors. But as I said above, I don't give any guarantees, everything is your fault... :-) (e.g. I'm not sure, if the entry in /etc/hostconfig is still necessary, I guess not, but then, it's only one line to enter...) Good luck, Axel. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- aseibert@tumbolia.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (NeXTmail welcome) seiberta@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (please no NeXTmail here!) You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tilp@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Alison Tilp) Subject: NS/Intel: Interbase/Quickbase Experience? Message-ID: <1994Apr22.155648.28840@bnlux1.bnl.gov> Sender: tilp@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Alison Tilp) Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 15:56:48 GMT Hello, does anyone have any experience with Interbase/Quickbase on NS/Intel? Any information is appreciated. Thanks in advance, Alison Tilp tilp@bnlux1.bnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hyrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Howard Yermish) Subject: Anyone in the Rochester Area... Message-ID: <1994Apr21.133003.17678@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Distribution: ny Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 13:30:03 GMT I recently got myself an old cube to use for digital synthesis, and other sound manipulation. My problem is that I live in a dorm where you are tied to the phone system. The ROLM system that they have has never really acted cleanly, (even simple text files do not transfer to my PC) and it has not been able to be configured with the NeXT anyway. Since I will only be in the dorm another month, I do not want to bother with continuing my attempt to hook it up. (It will be networked with the PC once I move out to California to do my masters.) So here is the request. In order to do a final project, I need to get at a bunch of software (Csound especially, plus some other freeware - all at FTP sites) onto an optical disk for my cube. Unfortunately, the OD is the only way into this machine so far. If anyone has a cube with an optical drive within about an hours drive (I live in Rochester) an is willing to let me go to your house and download bunches of applications (it will probably take between 30 minutes and two hours depending on the speed) to an optical disk (of which I have three 256 mb ones), I would greatly appreciate it. My project is due in about three weeks and I need about two weeks to finish it. Any help is very much appreciated. Howard Yermish hyrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu hyermish@lulu.esm.rochester.edu Eastman School of Music (716)274-1935
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: How to change hostname on PC without ethernet ? Message-ID: <1994Apr23.111435.14898@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2p5arq$aq6@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 11:14:35 GMT In article <2p5arq$aq6@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > paul@seer.demon.co.uk wrote in comp.sys.next.misc > >3.2 Intel is stuffed. You don't need to set an IP address for the en > >interface, when using SLIP. Just set the hostname, and it should boot OK. > > As far as I can tell there's no difference in 3.2 Motoralla either. In > fact it's correct to not have an address specified. > > When I had an address specified getbyhostname() wasn't properly > returning a fqdn. Earlier black versions would accept both hostname and IP address; 3.2 Intel refuses to boot if you have an IP address specified (and aren't on a network). This is somewhat intolerant, IMHO. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: SpellCheck services. Message-ID: <1994Apr23.111754.14966@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <CoLEsK.2oo@padd.org> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 11:17:54 GMT In article <CoLEsK.2oo@padd.org> anis@padd.org (Anis Khwaja) writes: > All, > Is there a program that provides spell check services? You could also try HSDSpell, now from Metrosoft. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: c4craig@csn.org (Craig Anderson) Subject: NS in high schools? Message-ID: <CoqEv8.6EE@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (The Daily Planet) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 21:40:19 GMT I am interested in setting up a NeXT lab for a high school. I'd like to hear from anyone who has done this. Thanks, Craig Anderson craig@c4.com
From: trestrail@aol.com (Trestrail) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Good, cheap hotels for NeXTstep Expo ? Date: 23 Apr 1994 20:20:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2pcdvl$b7i@search01.news.aol.com> I am thinking of attending the NeXTstep Expo in June, but am hoping to find lodging at lower rates than the three hotels listed in the Expo brochure. Does anyone have any recommendations ? Thanks. Jeff trestrail@aol.com
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: NeXTMail and MIME? Date: 22 Apr 1994 22:28:38 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2p9fi6$2as@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2p639s$diu@news.intercon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit disc@vector.casti.com (David Casti) writes: >Does NeXT have any plans to support MIME in their Mail.app? I understand >there are some 3rd party MIME mailers (I couldn't locate them on the net >this morning, though), but I'm really hoping that NeXT, Inc. won't miss >the MIME boat, as it were. I heard from a NeXT rep at CeBit fair that MIME support is included in 3.3 which is to be released Q3/94. Regards, Markus. -- .sig got a SIGKILL signal.
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: kernel panic exception (6,3,1), NS/I on GW2K P5-66 Date: 24 Apr 1994 01:10:55 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <2pcguv$5eb@Times.Stanford.EDU> References: <2p6pho$6ac@Times.Stanford.EDU> <2p7871$j7i@jake.esu.edu> In article <2p7871$j7i@jake.esu.edu>, Howard B Ott <hbott@esu.edu> wrote: >Karl Robert Pfleger (kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote: >: Very occasionally (once every 5-7 boots roughly), I get a kernel panic >: which crashes the boot process and I have to reboot, which usually >: works. When it does boot correctly, most everything seems to work fine. >: kernel panic exception (6,3,1) >: Waiting for remote debugger connection. >: (Type 'c' to continue or 'r' to reboot) >I have the same problem, my config is > DELL XPS 66Mhz 486 > ATI ULTRA pro VLB > Adaptec 1542C ISA SCSI controller > Intel EtherExpress16 ISA network card > NEC CDR74 > Fujitsu 520 MB Consensus seems to be that it is the Adaptec card. One person said that switching to the DPT ISA controller made the problem go away. A number of people said they get the problem on EVERY boot. A couple people said to try upgrading to the new release of the Adaptec driver, available from NeXTAnswers. I had thought that I had installed that, but I'm not really sure, so I'll install it again to make sure. Good luck everyone. (Further data on the problem: every time I change the configuration a lot, like play with fdisk to change around the non-NEXTSTEP partitions, the next boot panics, but the one after that is okay.) -Karl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: fleminmk@fe808.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Fleming) Subject: Re: SoftPC doesn't work with DOS partition Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <fleminmk.767149690@fe808.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 1994 01:08:10 GMT Distribution: inet References: <2pam88$hfo@Times.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Purdue Data Network kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) writes: >I finally loaded up SoftPC and figured out how to get access to my DOS >partition (using preferences, mounting DOS partition as drive D: as per >the on-line help). Problem is, most of the directories (all except \DOS >pretty much) are unreadable, and I get the typical DOS retry, irnore, >etc. message trying to do a DIR on them. You know, I had an *exactly identical* problem to that. The DOS partion in 60 megs and it was formated under 5.0. Only the root directory was readable, and I could only run programs in the root directly. Suddenly, as if by magic, it started working. I have *no* idea what the deal is. All I can say is: I'm very displeased about something so basic not working reliably. Oh, and BTW: *NEVER* run any Microsoft install programs through SoftPC. BIG loss. Mike
From: pas@phantom.com (Paul Shetler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: kernel panic exception (6,3,1), NS/I on GW2K P5-66 Date: 23 Apr 1994 23:19:50 GMT Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Message-ID: <2pcaem$8nd@dockmaster.phantom.com> References: <2p6pho$6ac@Times.Stanford.EDU> <2p7871$j7i@jake.esu.edu> Howard B Ott (hbott@esu.edu) wrote: : Karl Robert Pfleger (kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote: : : I finally got my system completely assembled, configured, partitioned, : : and loaded with NEXTSTEP 3.2 for Intel. Yeah! Mostly it seems to work : : great, except... : : Very occasionally (once every 5-7 boots roughly), I get a kernel panic : : which crashes the boot process and I have to reboot, which usually : : works. When it does boot correctly, most everything seems to work fine. : : ----- : : <after registering various devices> : : rootdev 600, howto 0 : : panic: (Cpu 0) vfs_mount root: cannot mount root : : panic: NeXT Mach 3.2: Mon Oct 18 22:08:07 PDT 1993; root (rcbuilder): mk-149.30.15.obj~2/RC_i386/RELEASE_I386 : : kernel panic exception (6,3,1) : : Waiting for remote debugger connection. : : (Type 'c' to continue or 'r' to reboot) : : ----- : I have the same problem, my config is : DELL XPS 66Mhz 486 : ATI ULTRA pro VLB : Adaptec 1542C ISA SCSI controller : Intel EtherExpress16 ISA network card : NEC CDR74 : Fujitsu 520 MB : No sound card : running NEXTSTEP 3.2 for Intel. I also get this error, config is: Compaq Deskpro XE 560 16Mb RAM, localbus Qvision Fujitsu 1.2 GB drive Adaptec 1542c PAS Basic Chinon CDROM NS/FIP 3.2 pas
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DEC NeXTStep system Date: 24 Apr 1994 02:59:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2pcnap$act@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I saw a DECpc MTE system running NeXTStep yesterday. I was semi-impressed. It was a Pentium-ready 66 MHz 486 system with 19 inch color monitor, 48 Mbyte RAM, 4 MB video memory, 1 Gbyte hard drive, CD ROM, and floppy selling for about $5800. The color was beautiful. However, with molecules spinning in one window, editing in Edit in another window was nearly impossible, until we killed the molecules. Individual windows did not drag smoothly. At one point we tried to bring the File Viewer in view by clicking on its Icon, and it refused to come up. There was no word processor. The sound card, a Media Vision, did not work -- not even a beep. Something about a missing driver. So I think I'll stick with my black cube with its 256 Mbyte read/write optical drive for a while. Very handy for transporting files between home and work. And I like my 90 dB S/N stereo sound. Color would be nice, but the monochrome is sharp, and color hard copy is too expensive anyway. The salesman told me that DEC has a DOD contract to port NeXTStep to the Alpha. This will run at up to 225 MHz, he said. Maybe this will finally be a machine that is worthy of NeXTStep. Let's hope that in the port they 1) get most of the bugs out and 2) can sell it for an affordable price. Jim Beauchamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Message-ID: <Coq8A3.66J@fragile.termfrost.org> Organization: Terminal Frost, Springfield OH References: <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> <1994Apr21.154941.1165@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <SEIBERTA.94Apr23141111@hphalle4.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 19:18:02 GMT seiberta@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Axel Seibert) writes: >In article <1994Apr21.154941.1165@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (Robert B. Love ) writes: >But my talk still doesn't work. I always get the error "You don't exist. >Go away." Maybe it has something to do with this setup? I don't know and I >haven't found it explained so far, although I did rtfm (just in case...). Does it work as root? If so, make sure Terminal.app/Terminal is setuid root. If Terminal can't update /etc/utmp, then talk will give you that error. (If you don't show up when you do a "w" or "finger" on your machine, then that's what's breaking talk.) Same applies if you're running Stuart; make sure slog is setuid root.... -- Mike Andrews "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." root@fragile.termfrost.org [NeXTmail OK] - Primus kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown)
From: brady@mercury.interpath.net (Donald C Brady - Comintel Inc) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 24 Apr 1994 05:48:46 GMT Organization: Interpath -- An Internet access provider Message-ID: <2pd17u$pgi@redstone.interpath.net> I notice there are sessions at the conference discussing NextStep 3.3. When is this expected to be available? Thanks, Don
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fssmw3@camelot (M Weems) Subject: elm on next Message-ID: <Cor2Cn.IM6@raven.alaska.edu> Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Alaska Date: Sun, 24 Apr 1994 06:07:33 GMT can anyone procvide me with a copy (exe) of elm compiled on the next? i cant get it to compile and i am tired of fooling with it. please send\ email if you can help. thanks
From: gguelden@ixpoint.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PC for NEXTSTEP-Expo Date: 24 Apr 1994 10:59:33 GMT Organization: iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH, Waldbronn, Germany Message-ID: <2pdjel$4nu@balu.ixpoint.de> Hello, does anybody knows where we can rent a good and komplete NSfIP-PC for the time of the NEXTSTEP-Expo ? (Because it's not the best idea to bring them with us from Europe). Thanks Gerd ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Dipl.- Inform. Gerd Gueldenpfennig + + iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH + + Im Ermlisgrund 20-24 76337 Waldbronn Germany + + Phone ++49 7243/65535 Fax ++49 7243 69817 + + Email: gguelden@ixpoint.de (NeXTmail welcome) + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: richarda@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Achmatowicz) Subject: Multimedia Toolkit for NeXT? Message-ID: <CorLun.75y@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Sender: usenet@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Usenet News System) Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK. Date: Sun, 24 Apr 1994 13:08:46 GMT Is anyone aware of a good multi-media toolkit for NeXTStep, one that would allow writing general purpose multi-media apps, say, by providing a library of classes and a few multi-media related development apps. Or are such kits usually tied to a particular piece(s) of hardware, like a sound or video card. Thanks in advance -- Richard Achmatowicz Internet: richarda@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Dept. of Computer Science Telephone: +44 71-975 5244 Queen Mary and Westfield College Fax: +44 81-980 6533 University of London Mile End Road London E1 4NS United Kingdom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New SCSI Driver For PCI Message-ID: <MATTHEW.94Apr24132007@viriconium.ocms.ox.ac.uk> From: matthew@viriconium.ocms.ox.ac.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: 24 Apr 1994 12:20:07 GMT References: <2p4bor$sto@spool.mu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: The Blue Anenome Ontological Association In-reply-to: alec@carie.dental.mu.edu's message of 20 Apr 1994 22:53:15 GMT >>>>> "Alec" == Alec Ellsworth <alec@carie.dental.mu.edu> writes: Alec> Using this driver will give you *UNBELIEVABLE* I/O performance Alec> (considering that NS doesn't support synchronous SCSI). Hmmm... This is something that has been puzzling me for a while. I know from personal experience that you can't use synchronous SCSI on a *boot* disk, at least on Black hardware --- simply because one of the early parts of the boot process can't cope with synchronous mode. But is that true for *all* disks? I have the feeling that the standard SCSI on black machines actually can cope with synchronous mode, but you can only use it on non-boot disks. What the situation is with white hardware, I have no idea. Would anyone who knows care to comment? Cheers, Matthew -- Matthew Seaman <Matthew.Seaman@dyson.ox.ac.uk> Non-NeXT mail <matthew@viriconium.ocms.ox.ac.uk> NeXT mail Inorganic Chemistry Laboratory, S. Parks Rd, Oxford, OX1 3QR, England Tel +44 (0)865 272640 Fax +44 (0)865 272690
From: jgross@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joe Gross) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: elm on next Date: 24 Apr 1994 18:08:53 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2pecjl$cqp@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <Cor2Cn.IM6@raven.alaska.edu> fssmw3@camelot (M Weems) writes: >can anyone procvide me with a copy (exe) of elm compiled on the next? >i cant get it to compile and i am tired of fooling with it. please send\ >email if you can help. thanks check out yak.macc.wisc.edu in /pub/elm for instructions on how to compile for a NeXT. worked perfectly for me. -- Joe Gross | A computer terminal is not some clunky old television | jgross@uiuc.edu | with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface | U of Illinois | where the mind and body can connect with the universe | NeXTmail welcome | and move bits of it about. --D. Adams, Mostly Harmless |
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 24 Apr 1994 14:42:43 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2peej3$nnk@acme.gatech.edu> References: <2pd17u$pgi@redstone.interpath.net> brady@mercury.interpath.net (Donald C Brady - Comintel Inc) writes: >I notice there are sessions at the conference discussing NextStep 3.3. >When is this expected to be available? >Thanks, >Don I also want to know what new things its' going to have, and what things it's going to fix. Especially on the INtel side. And how much is an upgrade? John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.getech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) Ascii Mail only (no Nextmail) (ex-kzin@ucscb.ucsc.edu) ========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.===============
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 23 Apr 1994 07:33:17 GMT Organization: George Mason University Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2paivt$9f3@portal.gmu.edu> References: <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> <1994Apr21.154941.1165@nugget.rmnug.org> <2p8s8n$64h@steffi.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: Not a big deal. make sure there is an entry in /etc/hosts/ & in netinfo in "hosts" for "localhost", should be 127.0.0.1 then just change the hostname in hostconfig. Give the machine an IP out of "hosts" file of one of the examples.. i.e. the myhost entry IF IT IS NOT connected to the internet! (UUCP doesn't count so if you have it don't worry. That should do it. As far as i know doing so is perfectly safe, and the localhost entry that people were talking about still exists as it should ALLWAYS. If you do NOT have a "127.0.0.1 localhost" entry in the netinfo hosts, you got big problems. change it. Buy the Nutshell book on administering tcp/ip from orilley. Tim Scanlon
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 24 Apr 1994 20:17:59 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2pegl7$237@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2pd17u$pgi@redstone.interpath.net> <2peej3$nnk@acme.gatech.edu> gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (John) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >brady@mercury.interpath.net (Donald C Brady - Comintel Inc) writes: > >>I notice there are sessions at the conference discussing NextStep 3.3. > >>When is this expected to be available? > >>Thanks, > >>Don > > >I also want to know what new things its' going to have, and what things >it's going to fix. Especially on the INtel side. And how much is an >upgrade? Really? I just want to know what it's going to cost with the new foundation classes and all..... I'm becoming increasingly concerned that they are pricing _everything_ at FS now and so it's going to be pretty darn difficult to us boys to play with the latest toys. -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: trance9@clark.net (Trance 9) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! I can't get outgoing News! Date: 24 Apr 1994 18:17:47 -0400 Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Message-ID: <2per6b$mv0@explorer.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I've recently gone back to UUCP from slip, and after renistalling CNEWS, I'm unable to get outgoing news. Incoming news works just fine, but my new newsgrazer posts get put in /usr/spool/news/in.coming instead of out.going. Then, onece newsrun happens, they get put in /usr/spool/news/in.coming/bad. They get put in my local folders and I can read them, but the world at large never gets to see them (I know, maybe thats a good thing----> :-) ) Anyway, if anyonce has any suggestions please drop me an e-note at jmeacham@ants.ci.net (not this address, which my brothr has been kind enough to let me use until I get this straigtened out. Thanks in advance. Peace, _____________________________________________________________________ James David Meacham, 3rd M.Div. Candidate Andover Newton Theological School e-mail:jmeacham@ants.ci.net 7 Flint Road Phone: 617-926-6024 Watertown, MA 02172 NeXTMAIL accepted Intern Minister 64-66 Marlborough Street First and Second Church in Boston Boston, MA 02116 (Unitarian Universalist) 617-267-6730 _____________________________________________________________________
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Date: 24 Apr 1994 23:11:41 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2peqqt$5uu@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> <1994Apr21.154941.1165@nugget.rmnug.org> <2p8s8n$64h@steffi.demon.co.uk> <2paivt$9f3@portal.gmu.edu> tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc > > make sure there is an entry in /etc/hosts/ & in netinfo in "hosts" >for "localhost", should be 127.0.0.1 > > then just change the hostname in hostconfig. Give the machine an IP >out of "hosts" file of one of the examples.. i.e. the myhost entry IF IT IS >NOT connected to the internet! (UUCP doesn't count so if you have it don't >worry. That should do it. > As far as i know doing so is perfectly safe, and the localhost entry >that people were talking about still exists as it should ALLWAYS. If you do >NOT have a "127.0.0.1 localhost" entry in the netinfo hosts, you got big >problems. change it. > Buy the Nutshell book on administering tcp/ip from orilley. > > Tim Scanlon > Here's my take on this.... INN's innd sees your machine as the first synonym in /etc/hosts (nidump hosts /) that means that nnrp.access for instance will have to have an entry for localhost and not `hostname` So in some cases even though you've changed your hostname you still have to use localhost in config files like that. I'm not happy with this situation... For instance, here's an entry from my news.info Apr 24 23:07:50 steffi innd: localhost connected 16 At least that's the case for me. -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: cdl@triton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Date: 24 Apr 1994 19:12:07 -0700 Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego Message-ID: <2pf8tn$5hq@triton.ucsd.edu> References: <CoKsv6.Cuq@wri.com> <CoMEu2.CuI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> In article <CoMEu2.CuI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> wfischer@bio.indiana.edu (Will Fischer) writes: -Dan Brown (dbrown@wri.com) wrote: -: >In article <boonlow.766657005@sfu.ca> boonlow@malibu.sfu.ca (Boon Chong -: >Benjamin Low) writes: -: > Hey there, -: > Plz take some time to anwser a rookie question. -: > I am getting quite sick of the localhost prompt all the time - -I'm surprised no consensus has been posted. I changed my hostname with -HostManager, but found I also had to put "hostname gargoyle" in -/etc/rc.local to get the name showing up everyhere. - -This worked: is it the standard thing to do? I always have found that editing the HOSTNAME line in /etc/hostconfig was absolutely the simplest thing to do. And it seems to take care of the problem everywhere. Simple Network Starter will do that for you, but vi or even Edit.app is pretty simple to use on a text file. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu clowenstein@ucsd.edu
From: mallen@nwu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: elm on next Date: 25 Apr 1994 03:15:22 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <2pfcka$po9@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <Cor2Cn.IM6@raven.alaska.edu> M Weems writes : can anyone procvide me with a copy (exe) of elm compiled on the next? : i cant get it to compile and i am tired of fooling with it. please send\ : email if you can help. thanks There is an executable of it on cs.orst.edu. Was in /pub/next/submissions I think. I can mail it too, but you're address is a fully qualified one, and would bounce. -- mallen@nwu.edu (NeXTMail welcome) Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. finger mallen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu for PGP public key
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fssmw3@camelot (M Weems) Subject: elm 2.4 pl 23 Message-ID: <CosyCI.Isv@raven.alaska.edu> Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Alaska Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 06:36:17 GMT never mind, i got it to compile. thanks for all of you who didnt reply, i got it on my own. (:
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: elm 2.4 pl 23 Date: 25 Apr 1994 12:23:37 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2pg97p$437@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <CosyCI.Isv@raven.alaska.edu> fssmw3@camelot (M Weems) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >never mind, i got it to compile. thanks for all of you who didnt >reply, i got it on my own. (: I put together an installable pkg for elm last month. It's on cs.orst.edu somewhere... Scott will know where. -- "Kill files are for pacifists" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: rudloff@gaveau.u-strasbg.fr (Rudloff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: For Paper economies Date: 25 Apr 1994 16:05:52 GMT Organization: Universite Louis Pasteur - Strasbourg (France) Message-ID: <2pgpp0$huc@thot.u-strasbg.fr> I'm looking for a App that would print two PostScript pages on the same and so reduce the paper quantity by 2. (When I want to print a ps document from Preview, the PageLayout is disabled). Thanks -- -------------------------------------------------------------- David Rudloff e-mail: rudloff@steinway.u-strasbg.fr -------------------------------------------------------------- ERIC (Equipe de Recherche en Ingenierie des connaissanes) ENSAIS
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 25 Apr 1994 14:02:38 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2ph0ju$e0j@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Product Information Server online NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server online comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Much of this information is also available using the World Wide Web, <http://digifix.digifix.com/index.html> NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Product Information Server online --------------------------------------------------------- A product directory built around the World Wide Web system, this will allow full multimedia announcements by NEXTSTEP developers, as well as the ability to browse the available products for NEXTSTEP. This service is online now, and can be reached at http://digifix.digifix.com/ it can be reached using OmniWeb (available from ftp.omnigroup.com) or Mosaic. The entries are coming in quite quickly, and I'll be moving the entire NEXTSTEP Third Party Catalog contents in as soon as they become available. NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server online --------------------------------------------------------- The NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server is now available for product literature and pricing from NEXTSTEP developers. You can get information on using the mail server at ns-products@digifix.com Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: New York consultants or GUN mailing list Message-ID: <1994Apr25.130242.3500@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 13:02:42 GMT Can some one send me the address of the GUN mailing list. I have a customer that is looking for some NeXT and UNIX consulting in NYC and I'd like to ping the group. Thanks, -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. A NEXTSTEP software and consulting services company. Electronic Mail: Joe@FreemanSoft.com (NeXT Mail) Voice: 919.783.7033
From: zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Good, cheap hotels for NeXTstep Expo ? Date: 25 Apr 1994 19:22:39 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2ph59v$7h6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <2pcdvl$b7i@search01.news.aol.com> In article <2pcdvl$b7i@search01.news.aol.com> trestrail@aol.com (Trestrail) writes: >I am thinking of attending the NeXTstep Expo in June, but am hoping to >find lodging at lower rates than the three hotels listed in the Expo brochure. >Does anyone have any recommendations ? Thanks. If you don't mind a few cock-a-roaches, there are many small hotels near the 'Tenderloin' district, which is a few blocks from the Moscone Center. A lot of them are on Turk street, I think. The pisshole I stayed in last year (don't remember the name) was small and simple, but it only cost $30/night. You can also check out the Youth Hostels in the area. There are many many good ones, but most of them give out rooms on a first come, first serve basis, and you can't make reservations. You also might need to prove that you are an international traveller. Eric
From: csmith@blackplague.gmu.edu (Christian Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing to AppleTalk printer under 3.2 Date: 25 Apr 1994 19:40:54 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <2ph6c6$l23@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have installed the AppleTalk package from my 3.0 release, and have put the PrintManager from 3.0 on NeXTApps as well. Now, I can select and configure an AppleTalk printer on my network, but printing to it still fails. The is one more file I need to replace from the 3.0 disk, but I don't remember what it is. Can anybody out there send me the file path/name? Thanks, Chris
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 25 Apr 1994 19:50:32 GMT Organization: George Mason University Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ph6u8$mmb@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2p8s8n$64h@steffi.demon.co.uk> <2paivt$9f3@portal.gmu.edu> <2peqqt$5uu@steffi.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: No matter what you do, you need localhost The way that host lookup under a NeXT OS works is this: First it looks in netinfo if netinfo is running, then it looks at whatever other method of host resolution you have running, if you don't have anything,(like named or BIND) it then looks at the /etc/hosts file. YP (i.e. NIS) has the same precidence, it falls into the same catagory as BIND & the rest. It ALLWAYS looks at netinfo & the hosts entries there if it can first. You should have an entry for your machine's name with an associated IP. Use the default "myhost" IP if you are A. running SLIP/PPP and have no packets coming from or going to the en0 interface (your ethernet interface(s) or, B. are using UUCP or soem derivative. The basic rule of thumb being that if you have legitimate packets going to the internet & from the internet through to or by your ethernet interface (en0) then you need a "real" IP to use. To have an interface set up correctly for programs to use it, you need: a "HOSTNAME" entry in /etc/hostconfig an "INETADDR" entry in /etch/hostconfig that is appropriate for your setup. If you are running PPP or SLIP, the IP you use for the ppp0 or slip0 or pni0 interface will be DIFFERENT than what you have in hostconfig. Don't make them the same! The entry for INETADDR should be numeric, I wouldn't jack around with the automatic, even though it uses the "myhost" IP out of /etc/hosts. (know your netinfo & all that blah) The rest of the info in hostconfig will vary with your setup, but SLIP & the like are completly separate interfaces from the ethernet one & need to be treated as such. Now, for the /etc/hosts & netinfo hosts entry (make them match AFTER you havethem straightend out & hte way you want them, makes for easy fixes) you want to have a localhost entry of "127.0.0.1 localhost" wherever you want. If news has soem gripe against it, then put int AFTER the entry for your host that matches the one in your "hostconfig" file. (this is why I say don't do the automatic thing for your IP number) Set up yoru resolv.conf normally, and you should be ok. The bottom line though in the whole thing is basicly to do what /etc/hosts says about the localhost entry, and do not muck with it. If you take this out you'll break things. In some cases badly. The Orilley "TCP/IP Network administration" book is a real real good thing to get in addtion to the NeXT System Admin manual. You can get order info etc. from "ftp.ora.com" & they do fone & email orders too. I highly reccomend them as a source for technical books. Tim Scanlon #undef sig
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrown@wri.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Re: C.Flemming's mathlink examples??? Message-ID: <Cou0n8.2Kx@wri.com> Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <CoIDKr.37r@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 20:23:29 GMT In article <CoIDKr.37r@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) writes: > >Does anybody know where can I find Chuck Flrmming's examples of comunicating to >Mathematica with NeXTSTEP front ends? One of them If I recall is called >"Derivative". > >The main machine at Allegheny college (pellns.alleg.edu) is "unreachable" from >the net and e-mail to Chuck dissapears, so I am looking for alternative sites. > >Also, if you know of any other applications (with source) that talk to >Mathematica with or without using MLink please drop me a line. > >Waiting anxiously for responses, > > >--john m. > > Hello, The largest repository of Mathematica related materials is MathSource. There are notebooks, packages and articles on various topics and how some people have used Mathematica in their area of interest. Information is submitted both by our users and by those inside WRI. I haven't ran a search for the above topic(s) but if Dr. Flemming contacted WRI about his notebooks, I'm sure they're on there. I know the link to Matlab is on there and there are probably many other items having to do with links to other applications on MathSource. To obtain instructions on how to access this material, send the one line message "help intro" (without quotes) to mathsource@wri.com. The subject header is not important as far as what MathSource sees when processing the information. All the materials that you can down-load from MathSource are free. Access to MathSource is now available through email, ftp, and gopher. For more information about Mathematica or related issues, write to info@wri.com or call toll-free at 800-441-6284. Dan Brown Wolfram Research, Inc. Academic Account Executive Pacific Region
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: arthur@sentuk.demon.co.uk (John Vaudin) Subject: Restoring new disk with no boot floppy Message-ID: <arthur-260494000100@sentuk.demon.co.uk> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@demon.co.uk (Usenet Administration) Organization: Sentient Ltd Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 23:07:03 GMT Hi, I have just purchased a old mono-station, with a broken disk. I have replaced the disk and then wanted to install NeXTStep. I have the CD which came with the machine but apparently I need a floppy to complete the installation. The people I bought it from have lost said floppy. They do have a working NeXT station though... Can anyone tell me how to fix this ? I have asked NeXT UK but they are no help. (I am trying to install 3.0). Can I get the files and build a floppy myself ? Or can I get a floppy from somewhere in the UK. Or can I somehow copy the files from the working NeXT. I have tried copying of the working Next in a naive way but it seems not work. It loads mach but fails to run init. It comes back with errno=83 (bad executable...) Any help gratefully received. John Vaudin arthur@sentuk.demon.co.uk
From: croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Superblock hosed - what now? Date: 25 Apr 1994 22:30:24 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2phga0$47p@cs.ubc.ca> References: <2pgqoh$3ov@hecate.umd.edu> In article <2pgqoh$3ov@hecate.umd.edu> davida@anagram.umd.edu (David Arnold) writes: > f I 'fsck -b16' it does the fsck > ok, but does not fix block #8 and I still can't boot/fsck normally. Try fsck -b 32. I had the same symptoms (on NS/Intel 3.2, SCSI) and it did the trick. -- Chris Roehrig (croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca) Invertebrate Learning Group, University of British Columbia, Canada
From: Mark G. Tacchi Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Good, cheap hotels for NeXTstep Expo ? Date: 25 Apr 1994 23:02:01 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2phi5a$k1p@rosie.next.com> References: <2ph59v$7h6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <2ph59v$7h6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > In article <2pcdvl$b7i@search01.news.aol.com> trestrail@aol.com (Trestrail) writes: > >I am thinking of attending the NeXTstep Expo in June, but am hoping to > >find lodging at lower rates than the three hotels listed in the Expo brochure. > >Does anyone have any recommendations ? Thanks. > > If you don't mind a few cock-a-roaches, there are many small hotels near > the 'Tenderloin' district, which is a few blocks from the Moscone Center. > A lot of them are on Turk street, I think. The pisshole I stayed in last > year (don't remember the name) was small and simple, but it only cost > $30/night. You can also check out the Youth Hostels in the area. There > are many many good ones, but most of them give out rooms on a first come, > first serve basis, and you can't make reservations. You also might need > to prove that you are an international traveller. Maybe even look into getting a hotel near a train station in some city further down the peninsula. The cal train's final stop is in San Fran several blocks east of Moscone Center (within walking distance, but you can take a bus). It should only cost a couple of bucks for the train and it's quite quick. Get a map of the peninsula for reference, and head down to your Library to look at the yellow pages phone book. You can pick hotels out of there with some idea of where they are. Hope this helps. -Mark
From: sawtelle@stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: does ANDI exist? anyone care to give them a plug? Date: Mon, 25 Apr 94 11:14:16 PDT Organization: Stonecutter Software Message-ID: <01050131.u2lk8y@mariposa.stonecutter.com> A couple of weeks ago when I thought I was going to have to buy Intel hardware I looked on ANDI's anonymous FTP site to get the most current "why join ANDI" info. The files were old, dated last year. I called the number listed in the files and got a voice-mailbox that was full. I also sent email to bill@andi.org but received no reply. So I am wondering... Does ANDI still exist? Would any current members care to plug the benefits of membership? Thanks, Don PS: Here's the note I sent bill@andi.org, in case anyone knows the answers to some of the Q's: > From: sawtelle@mariposa.stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle) > To: bill@andi.org > Subject: a few questions > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 94 11:58:01 PDT > Reply-To: sawtelle@stonecutter.com > > Bill, > > I am attempting to get some current info on ANDI. I have ftp'd the files > from ftp.andi.org/pub but the newest of those dates from the middle of > '93. I called your number (301) 681-0613 but your voice mailbox is full. > > Specifically I would like to find out something about: > > 1) the level of activity & success that ANDI is enjoying currently > > 2) approximate size of membership > > 3) status (last rev. date) of "ANDI Intel PC Buyers Guide" > > 4) whether sample issues of any ANDI publications are available > > 5) cost of "ANDI Intel PC Buyers Guide". The ANDI info I have says > members get a discount. Is it available to non-members? What is the > price for non-members, and what is the price for members? > > 6) whether there are any significant volume purchase or member discount > programs for Intel hardware currently active. > > 7) whether there is a satisfaction guarantee (money-back guarantee) on > the cost of membership for some limited period of time following the > time one initially joins. > > Thanks! > > Don > > PS: Currently I can't accept NeXTMail, as my email is Mac-based. > > Don Sawtelle > Stonecutter Software > Internet: sawtelle@stonecutter.com > voice: (209) 966-3066 > fax: (209) 966-5544 > > --- > Don Sawtelle:Stonecutter Software:Mariposa, CA > sawtelle@stonecutter.com
From: sawtelle@stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP user groups that are useful from long-distance? Date: Mon, 25 Apr 94 11:20:52 PDT Organization: Stonecutter Software Message-ID: <01050131.u2m0k0@mariposa.stonecutter.com> I am looking for a NEXTSTEP user group that might be useful even though I am remote. Being unable to attend meetings in any metro area (I'm about 3 hours from San Francisco) I suppose I would be most interested in the quality of the newsletter and/or any listserv-type communication that may be run by the group. Or cd-roms they may produce. Does BANG have a newsletter again yet? (From random postings I have seen on the net, I have the impression that they died down but are now starting up again.) Any comments or suggestions are most welcome. If anyone can point me toward a current list of groups/newsletters & their contact information, that would be great. Thanks, Don
From: chi@kaiwan.com (Lung-Chi Chuang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Binary on Terminal Date: 25 Apr 1994 16:52:53 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310/527-4279,818/756-0180,714/741-2920) Message-ID: <2phl4l$2sk@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> I am interested in editing some binary codes while using vi editor when under Terminal emulation. What do I need to do in order to see high ASCII code and binary code on my Terminal screen? Normally when I use EDIT, binary code can show up just fine but not when using Terminal with vi or other unix editors. By the way, I do have a font that displays binary code but, even if I set to proper font I still cannot see binary codes. Please help me if you have the solution for this... Thank you!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cousens@biztech.com Subject: Re: How to change Host name ? Message-ID: <1994Apr25.231254.7035@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <SEIBERTA.94Apr23141111@hphalle4.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 23:12:54 GMT Axel, I did something similar to what you suggest. You apparently did something right, because when I tried this, I ended up not having my NetInfo daemon start properly. This changing of HOSTNAME can be dangerous, as I found out. Any NetInfo gurus have any suggestions? Rik (cousens@biztech.com) In article <SEIBERTA.94Apr23141111@hphalle4.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> seiberta@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Axel Seibert) writes: > > In article <1994Apr21.154941.1165@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (Robert B. Love ) writes: > > In article <1994Apr20.004906.619@biztech.com> cousens@biztech.com writes: > > Ben > > the simplest way is to set the HOSTNAME shell variable in > > /etc/hostconfig. BUT, BEWARE, I don't remember what this will do to > > I had similar problems when 1st setting up my NeXT. My question is > for NeXT. Where in the instructions for setting up a standalone > machine is there information on how to set the host name. Simple > step-by-step instructions would be nice. > > I dared to install the following changes, up to now without any visible > damage (see last few lines). If you are fearless, follow my steps > (standard disclaimer regarding any guarantees apply :-)) Please read all > the text before starting your experiments! > > Imagine, you want to set up your machine with the name your_hostname. Then > do the following: > > 1) in /etc/hostconfig set hostname with the following line: > HOSTNAME=your_hostname > > 2) in Hostmanager:Local > Enter your_hostname in the field Hostname > > Up to here it was rather obvious; but sendmail will still resolve your > address to login@localhost... and INN won't function either. > > 3) in NetInfoManager go into the directory machines; > there you will find the entries localhost and broadcasthost. > Click on localhost and choose from the menu edit ->duplicate (or whatever it > is in English). Then name this new entry as your_hostname (and - if you > like - your IP-Address). > > 4) Now go back to HostManager and choose Host -> Open > Now there should be three entries: broadcasthost, localhost and your_hostname. > (I once had no localhost, but two your_hostname entries. You must > rename then one of the two your_hostname back to local_host by simply > opening this entry and changing the relevant string. Maybe that was due to > the fact, that I originally had given your_hostname as an alias to localhost. > But that's not necessary any more, if you have followed my steps so far.) > > From now on, sendmail will happily deliver your mail as > sender@your_hostname and INN will (if set up properly) function. > > But my talk still doesn't work. I always get the error "You don't exist. > Go away." Maybe it has something to do with this setup? I don't know and I > haven't found it explained so far, although I did rtfm (just in case...). > > > No, I'm no NetInfo-Guru at all, and it took me several weeks to find this out > and then only with the help of > Christian Baur (cbaur@blabel.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de) and > Andreas Wastl (wastl@atreidis.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de) > > I hope, this posting was usefull to some of you, and it contains no errors. > But as I said above, I don't give any guarantees, everything is your fault... > :-) (e.g. I'm not sure, if the entry in /etc/hostconfig is still necessary, > I guess not, but then, it's only one line to enter...) > > Good luck, > Axel. > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > aseibert@tumbolia.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (NeXTmail welcome) > seiberta@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (please no NeXTmail here!) > > You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: dbtableview and double-clicking Message-ID: <1994Apr26.030622.11410@pcp.ca> Keywords: dbtableview, double-clicking Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Tue, 26 Apr 94 03:06:22 GMT Hello there: From my original post: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) wrote in comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc >Hello there: > >I have a tableview in which I set the double action to be a method called >doThis: in my Controller class. When I double-click on the title bar (i.e, >the DBTableVector), the tableview receive a doThis: message. I would have >expected that the tableview only receive this message if the double-click >happened in one of the rows, not in the title. Is there an easy way of >setting up the tableview so that the Controller only receive the doThis: >message if the double-click happens in one of the rows and not the title? > >Please e-mail me and I'll summarize. > >Thanks in advance, > >Alex >Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca >alex@oolesson.com Many people (including Robert Nicholson, Timothy Wood and too many people to enumerate here) replied with the following: 1. check the selected row. If it's -1, then don't perform the double-click. 2. check the position of the event and then determine whether it's in the GridView. If it is, then process the event else don't do anything. I haven't had time to test either one. Thanks to all who responded. Regards, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca alex@oolesson.com
From: rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu (randal rencsok) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: lpr to NeXT Laser Printer on network Date: 26 Apr 1994 04:07:56 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <2pi42s$usm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Keywords: lpr network Hello, We recently purchased a NeXT Color Printer and hooked it to a Color Slab which is hooked into our local ethernet network. We have not had any sucess printing from machines other than NeXTs on this printer. Does anyone have a NeXT hooked to a non NeXT network and use the NeXT as a print server with lpr? Please respond to rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu if you have have a NeXT configured as a print server. Sucessful or not. I will try to post error messages and other relavant detials when I can Thanks randy rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu P.S. Just looking for good or bad experiences
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: For Paper economies Message-ID: <1994Apr25.232235.21408@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2pgpp0$huc@thot.u-strasbg.fr> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 23:22:35 GMT In article <2pgpp0$huc@thot.u-strasbg.fr> rudloff@gaveau.u-strasbg.fr (Rudloff) writes: > > I'm looking for a App that would print two PostScript pages on the same > and so reduce the paper quantity by 2. > > (When I want to print a ps document from Preview, the PageLayout is > disabled). Look in the man pages for psnup. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Binary on Terminal Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 02:40:38 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ohj=Raa00iV60EwLYq@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2phl4l$2sk@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 25-Apr-94 Binary on Terminal by Lung-Chi Chuang@kaiwan.c > I am interested in editing some binary codes while using vi editor when > under Terminal emulation. What do I need to do in order to see high > ASCII code and binary code on my Terminal screen? Normally when I use > EDIT, binary code can show up just fine but not when using Terminal with > vi or other unix editors. How about this: Start up emacs. M-x hexl-mode. Go from there.... (No, this isn't vi. But it will do the job.) -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: robert@st#################################################################### #################################################################### From: dhsmith@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP user groups that are useful from long-distance? Date: 26 Apr 1994 17:20:58 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pjihq$l1n@rosie.next.com> References: <01050131.u2m0k0@mariposa.stonecutter.com> Keywords: User Group, Newsletter In article <01050131.u2m0k0@mariposa.stonecutter.com> sawtelle@stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle) writes: #I am looking for a NEXTSTEP user group that might be useful even though #I am remote. Being unable to attend meetings in any metro area (I'm #about 3 hours from San Francisco) I suppose I would be most interested #in the quality of the newsletter and/or any listserv-type communication #that may be run by the group. Or cd-roms they may produce. # #Does BANG have a newsletter again yet? (From random postings I have seen #on the net, I have the impression that they died down but are now #starting up again.) # #Any comments or suggestions are most welcome. If anyone can point me #toward a current list of groups/newsletters & their contact #information, that would be great. # #Thanks, # #Don There is a new listing of all User Groups on line at ftp.next.com (or from NeXTanswers) which is split into US and International Listings. The contact information is current as of February for most groups, and it does list the meeting times, newsletter frequency, special services, etc. Hope this helps! Darren Smith User Group Coordinator
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GatorFTP for NS/I 3.2 that works Date: 26 Apr 1994 18:10:03 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2pjldr$7oi@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Apr26.134048.15568@cs.uno.edu> Summary: Band Aid In article <1994Apr26.134048.15568@cs.uno.edu>, David Vazquez <david@snoopy> wrote: >Does a version of GatorFTP+ exist for NS 3.2 on Intel that works properly? >I have v1.4 (got it from cs.orst...), and it terminates whenever I try to do >a transfer (if it doesn't die before then, that is). > > -David Vazquez "david@smobject.com" > The quick and dirty fix to this is to delete the .gatorftprc file that's in the package. On my system, I have to do this every time I use the package, bummer. Another suggestion is to use the latest version of Archie recently posted to the regular FTP sites. Personally I find it a little unstable on Intel, but unlike GatorFTP, the Author is still visible on the net. Last but not least I have a working version of GatorFTP derived from v.98 that I have built for Intel. I (and others) have not been able to contact the original authors for GatorFTP. If there is interest and no strong moral objection I would be willing to place this version on some FTP site, with all the original authorship credits intact of course. Use at your own risk of course. I really have no desire to fix or improve this version, but make this suggestion simply as a stop gap measure until the original authors make a reappearance. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Good, cheap hotels for NeXTstep Expo ? Date: 26 Apr 1994 18:26:45 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2pjmd5$3if@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <2pcdvl$b7i@search01.news.aol.com> <2ph59v$7h6@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu> <2pii3v$5no@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <2pii3v$5no@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >zmonster@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric M Hermanson) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >>If you don't mind a few cock-a-roaches, there are many small hotels near >>the 'Tenderloin' district, which is a few blocks from the Moscone Center. >>A lot of them are on Turk street, I think. >30/night is expensive compared to what I heard. I'd rather pay the >extra 20 and avoid the risk of being murdered in my sleep. Turk street >just isn't a very nice street neither is the notorious "Tenderloin" >district.... >Eric. make sure you make people aware of the safety issues when >recommending areas. Of course. The so called Tenderloin area of San Fran isn't the safest area, but the place I stayed at was _near_ this area, not in it. It was far enough away for me to consider it safe. Although I don't think you have to worry about getting murdered while passing through the Tenderloin as much as you have to worry about being approached by pan-handlers. The best thing to do is call 800-information and get the number to the San Francisco tourism office. They will probably send you a whole booklet on housing in the area. As Robert mentioned, you might want to stay out of the Tenderloin district (which is in the South West part of the city, West of the Moscone center I believe), but the closer you are to this area the cheaper hotels will be, I believe. And the closer you are to the water and tourist areas, the more expensive things get. Probably the safest and cheapest bet would be to try to get a room in a nice Youth Hostel. Somebody did a good job and posted info on the Youth Hostels in the area last year. Does anybody have this list to post it? Eric
From: gregory@nukestep.mit.edu (Gregory B Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: MS Windows Emulation Date: 26 Apr 1994 19:00:01 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2pjobh$451@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Linux is developing a Windows emulator called WINE. It reportedly will run on BSD. Is there any chance that this could be ported to NEXTSTEP?
From: cplager@uiuc.edu (Charles Plager) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: X windows Date: 26 Apr 1994 20:20:34 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2pjt2i$qb7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I am trying to X windows running on my color NeXTstation (running 3.0 with 16 meg ram). I have installed mouseX following (I think) the instructions. The problem I am having is that when I run X, the computer changes backgrounds, waits 20 seconds, and quits. If anybody has any ideas on what could be causing the trouble (I did chmod on /dev/vid0) or has another X program that will (relatively) easily switch back and forth between X and NeXTStep, all advice is would be appreciated. Thanks, Charles Plager cplager@uiuc.edu
#################################################################### From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: X windows Date: 26 Apr 1994 22:51:04 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pk5so$63q@hub.ucsb.edu> References: <2pjt2i$qb7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <2pjt2i$qb7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> cplager@uiuc.edu (Charles Plager) writes: ] I am trying to X windows running on my color NeXTstation (running 3.0 with ] 16 meg ram). I have installed mouseX following (I think) the ] instructions. The problem I am having is that when I run X, the computer ] changes backgrounds, waits 20 seconds, and quits. If anybody has any ] ideas on what could be causing the trouble (I did chmod on /dev/vid0) or ] has another X program that will (relatively) easily switch back and forth ] between X and NeXTStep, all advice is would be appreciated. ] Thanks, ] Charles Plager ] cplager@uiuc.edu There is a bug in the newest Xfe.app (I assume you are using the app) which causes it to quit if you have auto-start enabled (where the server starts as soon as you launch the app). For now, do 'dwrite Xfe StartXOnLaunch NO' and start X from the menu. I will fix this -- I am just bogged down in other projects right now. -- Douglas Scott | Senior Development Engineer Tel: (805) 893-8352 | Center for Computer Music Research and Composition Internet (NeXTMail ok): | Music Department <doug@ccmrc.ucsb.edu> | University of California, Santa Barbara
From: gorgon@crl.com (Zach Copley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Diamond Viper and SoftPC Date: 26 Apr 1994 20:58:12 -0700 Organization: Pigdog Journal Message-ID: <2pknsk$7ih@crl2.crl.com> Summary: Does SoftPC support the Diamond Viper? Keywords: Diamond, Viper, SoftPC What gives? Since I installed a Diamond Viper VLB card in my system, SoftPC wont run anymore. It says "This session does not support full screen" and then quits. Does SoftPC support the Diamond Viper? What's the deal? Thanks, Zach
From: acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.questions Subject: /dev/drum?!? Date: 27 Apr 1994 04:49:43 GMT Organization: Electrical Engineering Computer Teaching Labs Message-ID: <2pkqt7$cnb@wea.eel.ufl.edu> I've noticed that NeXT machines (black box hardware) have a device called "drum" in /dev-- major number 7, minor zero. Does anyone know what this is for? Some vestige from the days of magnetic-drum memories, perhaps? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with sound or music synthesis! Curious, -- ______ \ / ////////////////////////////////////////////// \ / / Alexandra Griffin /// acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu / \/ //////////////////////////////////////////////
From: acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Terminal window colorization? Date: 27 Apr 1994 04:58:04 GMT Organization: Electrical Engineering Computer Teaching Labs Message-ID: <2pkrcs$crv@wea.eel.ufl.edu> Another silly NeXT question for you-- Is it possible to specify alternate color schemes (besides black on white) for Terminal windows? This is easily done on X-window boxes but I haven't found an option for it under NextStep. Thanks! -- ______ \ / ////////////////////////////////////////////// \ / / Alexandra Griffin /// acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu / \/ //////////////////////////////////////////////
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Librarian Date: 27 Apr 1994 04:13:45 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Message-ID: <2pkopp$o25@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> I want to use the Librarian to display the Recipes I downloaded from cs.orst.edu, but they are setup for a pre-3.0 digital librarian. I've tried converting to the 3.2 librarian, but can't seem to get it. I can't see documented anywhere how to use things like .displayCommand or descCommand, etc. Has anyone set up the Recipes to be used by a 3.2 librarian? Much thanks for all replies. Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> From: <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> Message-ID: <9404262334.AA00303@relay2.geis.com> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 94 23:08:00 UTC Cc: comp-sys-next-software@antigone.com Subject: Hidden feature Some friends on the GEnie Information Service discovered a hidden feature in the ProductFeedback app that comes with NeXTSTEP 3.2. ProductFeedback.app is located in the NextDeveloper /Demo directory. Go in the Info panel and click 5 times rapidly on the clipboard icon. It's a cool "morph" type animation... Special thanks to Paul Applegate and Archie Bird for the discovery. BTW: Walnut Creek will be at NeXTSTEP Expo this summer. Be sure to come visit us, we will have some hot new CDROM's. Please note that the lastest version of the Nova was released note so long ago... Call and order the Nova Second Edition... Eric "E.T." Walnut Creek CDROM 1-800-786-9907
From: gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GatorFTP for NS/I 3.2 that works Date: 27 Apr 1994 05:43:22 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pku1q$8lm@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <2pjldr$7oi@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article <2pjldr$7oi@news.acns.nwu.edu> jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > In article <1994Apr26.134048.15568@cs.uno.edu>, > David Vazquez <david@snoopy> wrote: > >Does a version of GatorFTP+ exist for NS 3.2 on Intel that works properly? > >I have v1.4 (got it from cs.orst...), and it terminates whenever I try to do > >a transfer (if it doesn't die before then, that is). It does the same thing to me, and it's a real shame that the authors of this excellent .app seem to have vanished. I'd like very much to have a working GatorFTP+/Intel. -------------------------------------------- Gary Finley, Univ. of Alberta Psychology Dept. gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.questions From: enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer) Subject: Re: /dev/drum?!? Message-ID: <1994Apr27.084055.17224@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: The University of Chicago References: <2pkqt7$cnb@wea.eel.ufl.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 08:40:55 GMT In article <2pkqt7$cnb@wea.eel.ufl.edu> acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin) writes: >I've noticed that NeXT machines (black box hardware) have a device >called "drum" in /dev-- major number 7, minor zero. Does anyone know >what this is for? Some vestige from the days of magnetic-drum >memories, perhaps? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with sound >or music synthesis! It's the BSD virtual memory device, named in homage of the days when there really were memory drums, but which first appeared long after memory had become solid-state. Eric enf1@ellis.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: marketing@nextsrv1.andi.org (Marketing Director) Subject: Re: does ANDI exist? anyone care to give them a plug? Message-ID: <Cox1p2.2Iz@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NEXTSTEP Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <01050131.u2lk8y@mariposa.stonecutter.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 11:39:01 GMT In article <01050131.u2lk8y@mariposa.stonecutter.com> sawtelle@stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle) writes: > Does ANDI still exist? YES! > 1) the level of activity & success that ANDI is enjoying currently We have exhibited at the following trade shows or helped provide support/information: NeXTWORLD Expo NEXTSTEP East Coast Developer Conference UNIX Expo PC Expo - NYC PC Expo - Chicago FedUNIX FOSE COMDEX-Fall Intl Assn of Jazz Educators Unix Reseller Show Meeting Planners International Several User Group Meetings around the country We attend tradeshows to talk to vendors about NEXTSTEP; some of those are: COMNET Interop Uniforum National Assn of Broadcasters Siggraph Object World Intelemart AFCEA Numerous Manufactured sponsored programs We produce a resource guide which is distributed at tradeshows. We have an archive site which I believe has more NeXTSTEP Related info than anywhere else. We have an InfoServer which carries many of the latest submissions to archive sites under the folder Files_du_Jour ..also info from some of our member Companies is on the InfoServer We are in the process of producing our first CD-ROM in conjunction with Ensuing Technologies. We have been successful in getting manufacturers such as Intel to offer special rates to NEXTSTEP Developers. We provide consulting services to our member companies We promote our member companies and try and send them business. We offer internet services such as uucp, SLIP, ftp, USENET, etc. to those who do not have access to services elsewhere. We are putting together a complete database of all known NEXTSTEP sites for use by our member companies which is due for completion by May 31. We negotiate special room rates at hotels during NEXTSTEP events for our members. > 2) approximate size of membership Just over 100 members > 3) status (last rev. date) of "ANDI Intel PC Buyers Guide" Last march was our first draft but not an official version; I am looking at doing that for expo. > 4) whether sample issues of any ANDI publications are available We have not put out sample copies of our publication breakpoint, and are just now ramping up to produce FocalPoint and Objectivitie. We are also working with several companies to see if it is viable to create a new NEXTSTEP Magazine in print and electronic format. Hopefully we will know more by the time NEXTSTEP Expo takes place. > 5) cost of "ANDI Intel PC Buyers Guide". The ANDI info I have says > members get a discount. Is it available to non-members? What is the > price for non-members, and what is the price for members? Cost has yet to be determined > 6) whether there are any significant volume purchase or member discount > programs for Intel hardware currently active. In the past we have had special prices for the Pro GX and the JCIS Wingine systems and are renegotiating with several vendors to offer special packages > 7) whether there is a satisfaction guarantee (money-back guarantee) on > the cost of membership for some limited period of time following the > time one initially joins. No I removed the membership info as I am in the process of creating new collateral material which should be done in about a week. I will send it to you if you like when I am done. --- Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI reply to:membership@nextsrv1.andi.org "Take the NeXTSTEP and Keep on Truckin'...."
From: e01e@zfn.uni-bremen.de (Jan von Styp-Rekowski ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: Driver ATI GUP VL ? Date: 27 Apr 1994 13:15:43 GMT Organization: Zentrum fuer Netze, Universitaet Bremen Message-ID: <2plohv$1160@ina.zfn.uni-bremen.de> HI, can anybody help me ? Where can I find the Driver for ATI GUP VLB with a Resolution of 1120x832 16 Bit. On my CD there is only a Driver for 1120x832 8 Bit, 1280x1024 8 Bit, 1024x768 16 Bit. In the Hardware Compatibility Guide I read about the Resolution 1120x832 16 Bit. I thanks for anybody's help. Caio Jan -- +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | e-mail: e01e@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de | | jvsr@informatik.uni-bremen.de | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ **** NeXT-mail accepted ! ****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.questions From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Subject: Re: /dev/drum?!? Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cox6uC.swL@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 13:30:12 GMT References: <2pkqt7$cnb@wea.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Purdue University In article <2pkqt7$cnb@wea.eel.ufl.edu> acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin) writes: >I've noticed that NeXT machines (black box hardware) have a device >called "drum" in /dev-- major number 7, minor zero. Does anyone know >what this is for? Some vestige from the days of magnetic-drum >memories, perhaps? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with sound >or music synthesis! /dev/drum is a device sometimes used to access the UNIX swap file. The terminology comes from the early days of UNIX, when a magnetic drum was a fast type of mass storage, and was used for swapping, because the small memory of machines of that day did a lot swapping when loaded. Although I don't believe it's used that way under NeXTSTEP, it's still used under DYNIX, HP-UX, and ULTRIX. Some application programs, e.g., ps(1), use it to access user areas for swapped processes.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: DEC NeXTStep system Message-ID: <CoxBCF.1E3@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2pcnap$act@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 15:07:27 GMT James Beauchamp (beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : I saw a DECpc MTE system running NeXTStep yesterday. I was semi-impressed. : It was a Pentium-ready 66 MHz 486 system with 19 inch color monitor, 48 Mbyte : RAM, 4 MB video memory, 1 Gbyte hard drive, CD ROM, and floppy selling for : about $5800. The color was beautiful. However, with molecules spinning in one : window, editing in Edit in another window was nearly impossible, until we : killed the molecules. Individual windows did not drag smoothly. At one point : we tried to bring the File Viewer in view by clicking on its Icon, and it : refused to come up. There was no word processor. The sound card, a Media : Vision, did not work -- not even a beep. Something about a missing driver. Well, I'm here on my 486, 20MB RAM, 2MB VRAM, IDE(blech!) hard disk machine, and I've got the molecule spinning in the backgroud, and typing seems to be no problem in Terminal, and in Edit. Even on a VLB/PCI card, window dragging will be slow. Remember that's 32 bits of colour you're dragging around! Try doing the same on a 68040/25MHz NeXTStation Colour. Certainly, the window drags can never be as fast as a Mono Station (but that's 2-bit, remember). NeXTSTEP hasn't included a Word Processor (WriteNow) since 2.1. The MediaVision cards run VERY well. Driver is on the 3.2 CD. Clearly you witnessed a seriously screwed-up demo. If they can't be bothered configuring the machine in advance in order to make a sale, then they're clearly idiots. I almost hate to say it, but a properly built and configured Intel 486/Pentium can beat out a NeXTStation in nearly every respect (video, SCSI, MIPS, FLOPS)... : The salesman told me that DEC has a DOD contract to port NeXTStep to the Alpha. : This will run at up to 225 MHz, he said. Maybe this will finally be a machine : that is worthy of NeXTStep. I wonder how reliable this is, if they can't even push the "Add..." button on the Configure.app sound panel, or figure out the logistics of the NeXT icon on the dock... ;-) Like I've said for a while, "I'll believe it when I see it in beta". --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: GatorFTP for NS/I 3.2 that works Message-ID: <CoxBKy.1sH@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <1994Apr26.134048.15568@cs.uno.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 15:12:34 GMT David Vazquez (david@snoopy) wrote: : Does a version of GatorFTP+ exist for NS 3.2 on Intel that works properly? : I have v1.4 (got it from cs.orst...), and it terminates whenever I try to do : a transfer (if it doesn't die before then, that is). : -David Vazquez "david@smobject.com" Take a look at YFtp.app, available, as I recall, from cs.orst.edu. It's in beta, but looked pretty good when I played with it... --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smith@nextone.niehs.nih.gov (Howard C. Smith) Subject: Re: /dev/drum?!? Message-ID: <1994Apr27.152829.18579@alw.nih.gov> Keywords: ha ha laugh Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Organization: National Institutes of Health References: <2pkqt7$cnb@wea.eel.ufl.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 15:28:29 GMT In article <2pkqt7$cnb@wea.eel.ufl.edu> acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin) writes: > I've noticed that NeXT machines (black box hardware) have a device > called "drum" in /dev-- major number 7, minor zero. Does anyone know > what this is for? Some vestige from the days of magnetic-drum > memories, perhaps? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with sound > or music synthesis! > > Curious, > -- > ______ > \ / ////////////////////////////////////////////// > \ / / Alexandra Griffin /// acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu / > \/ ////////////////////////////////////////////// %man 4 drum DRUM(4) UNIX Programmer's Manual DRUM(4) NAME drum - percussion device DESCRIPTION Binary data written on a drum special file will generate audio percussion on the audio out device. Reads from a drum file will usually cause a headache. SEE ALSO /dev/rap FILES /dev/drum d(^_^)b -- Howard C. Smith National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences 111 T.W. Alexander Drive Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 smith@nextone.niehs.nih.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) Subject: Software Contest, Where? Message-ID: <1994Apr27.185721.7234@ornl.gov> Sender: usenet@ornl.gov (News poster) Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 18:57:21 GMT I have an entry I'd like to submit to the NeXT Software Contest. I believe it was for Educational Software. Where can I submit it and how to get forms? - - - - - - - - - J. W. Wooten
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: printing out dbtableviews Message-ID: <1994Apr27.193247.6844@pcp.ca> Keywords: dbtableview printing Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Wed, 27 Apr 94 19:32:47 GMT Hello there: I have another problem with a dbtableview here. It seems like the default printPSCode: method for DBTableView does not work as expected. The information the DBTableView is printed on top of itself and is quite unreadable. I seem to recall that there was a known bug with this but I can't remember if there's a simple workaround. Any solutions? Please e-mail me and I'll summarize. Thanks, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca alex@oolesson.com
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden feature Date: 27 Apr 1994 20:07:20 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Message-ID: <SOWA.94Apr27130720@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <9404262334.AA00303@relay2.geis.com> In-reply-to: 's message of Tue, 26 Apr 94 23:08:00 UTC >>>>> "eric" == erictremblay <erictremblay@genie.geis.com> writes: eric> Some friends on the GEnie Information Service discovered a hidden eric> feature in the ProductFeedback app that comes with NeXTSTEP 3.2. eric> ProductFeedback.app is located in the NextDeveloper /Demo eric> directory. schwoing! -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
From: tagoldth@camtwh.eric.on.ca (Tom Goldthorpe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: is dwrite-able non-mount option available? Date: 27 Apr 1994 15:45:56 -0400 Organization: Eye Research Inst. of Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pmfdk$g49@camtwh.eric.on.ca> Hi all, I need to be able to keep the workspace from mounting any disk (scsi or floppy). The preferences do not keep it from mounting it (which is annoying). Is there a dwritable option available to keep the automatic mounts from happening? If it's in the docs, I apologize, I just couldn't find any reference to it with any key word I could think of. Tom ps: please reply via mail, I'm on news overload :-) -- __________________________________________________ tagoldth@camtwh.eric.on.ca root@camtwh.eric.on.ca Thomas A. Goldthorpe Software Engineer, Systems Administrator, ERIC/TWH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) Subject: Re: GatorFTP for NS/I 3.2 that works Message-ID: <1994Apr27.134604.6924@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1994Apr26.134048.15568@cs.uno.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 13:46:04 GMT In article <1994Apr26.134048.15568@cs.uno.edu> david@snoopy (David Vazquez) writes: > Does a version of GatorFTP+ exist for NS 3.2 on Intel that works properly? > I have v1.4 (got it from cs.orst...), and it terminates whenever I try to do > a transfer (if it doesn't die before then, that is). > > -David Vazquez "david@smobject.com" You can get version 1.5 from uhoop.egr.uh.edu in /pub/misc/GatorFTP. According to the .README file, the changes are that the pie chart icon isn't there anymore, and the date of the file also shows up. No mention of whether it works on Intel now, and I don't have one so can't test it. The new date display only works on some ftp sites. I sent email a couple of days ago to Mike Mezzino, mezzino@gauss.cl.uh.edu, who seems to be the current maintainer, but have gotten no response yet. -- Jim Horne jhh@waldzell.physics.yale.edu "With stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain." Friedrich von Schiller
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: stiv@netcom.com (Stiv D. Ostenberg) Subject: Re: SoftPC doesn't work with DOS partition Message-ID: <stivCoxto2.EEM@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2pam88$hfo@Times.Stanford.EDU> Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 21:43:14 GMT kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) writes: >I finally loaded up SoftPC and figured out how to get access to my DOS >partition (using preferences, mounting DOS partition as drive D: as per >the on-line help). Problem is, most of the directories (all except \DOS >pretty much) are unreadable, and I get the typical DOS retry, irnore, >etc. message trying to do a DIR on them. >Is this a problem with the fact that SoftPC is only DOS 5.0, while the >DOS on my DOS partition is 6.2? If so, I can't believe this isn't >mentioned anywhere in the on-line help. No mention under >troubleshooting, under the section on mounting DOS partitions, or >_anywhere_ that I could find. Argh! >Is that it, or is there something else I'm missing? If version >incompatibility is the culprit, what's the easiest way to get the DOS >partition back into a form DOS 5.0 likes? >People dreaming of SoftPC be forewarned! >-Karl I am sorry to inform you that this is a documented bug with NeXTStep (not with SoftPC specifically) and is beyond our control to fix. But don't just take my word for it! Below is an excerpt from NeXT describing the problem: Large DOS Partition Bug version 3NA Q: I have a DOS Partition on my computer that is larger than 64MB. The free space on the partition does not seem to be accurate when examined from NEXTSTEP Release 3.2 and Release 3.1 for Intel Processors. What's going on? NeXT Answer #1481 (May refer to 32 megs instead of 64) A: There appear to be a number of bugs associated with accessing DOS partitions that are larger than 64MB under NEXTSTEP. Problems that you may see are incorrect reporting of available space on the partition, or even possibly corruption of data. Do not use NEXTSTEP to access DOS partitions larger than 64MB. This bug is valid for both Release 3.1 and 3.2 for Intel Processors. ---------------------------------------- THis is what is causing your problem. Hopefully there will be a fix soon. -- Stiv Ostenberg stiv@netcom.netcom.com| Sable, Saltairwise, a Claighmore ---------------------------------------+ inverted Argent, a Rowan Branch Or Tech Support, Insignia Solutions | --<------ ------>-- ---------------------------------------+ Conner MacCiaran
Control: cancel <1994Apr27.224434.751@jlc.mv.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jason@jlc.mv.com (Jason T. Nelson) Subject: cmsg cancel <1994Apr27.224434.751@jlc.mv.com> Message-ID: <1994Apr27.225431.832@jlc.mv.com> Sender: jason@jlc.mv.com (Jason T. Nelson) Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH References: <1994Apr27.224434.751@jlc.mv.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 22:54:31 GMT <1994Apr27.224434.751@jlc.mv.com> was cancelled from within trn.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <Cowu4w.G4@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Organization: Molecule Modelling Lab. References: <2peej3$nnk@acme.gatech.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 08:55:43 GMT Rumor---Rumor NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) Some NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail will work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. Anyway..just a rumor. Aloha, Tom -- ____________________________________________________ (tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org) Thomas Engel Neptunstr. 9 NeXTMail welcome 90522 Oberasbach
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Erik Dasque <ed@joker.fdn.org> Subject: Re: does ANDI exist? anyone care to give them a plug? Message-ID: <1994Apr27.171958.7574@joker.fdn.org> Sender: ed@joker.fdn.org (Erik Dasque) Organization: French Guy Corp. - Paris, France. References: <01050131.u2lk8y@mariposa.stonecutter.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 17:19:58 GMT In article <01050131.u2lk8y@mariposa.stonecutter.com> sawtelle@stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle) writes: > A couple of weeks ago when I thought I was going to have to buy Intel > hardware I looked on ANDI's anonymous FTP site to get the most current > "why join ANDI" info. The files were old, dated last year. I called the > number listed in the files and got a voice-mailbox that was full. I > also sent email to bill@andi.org but received no reply. So I am > wondering... > > Does ANDI still exist? > Wouldn't the right question be : Did ANDI really ever exist ? Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" ed@joker.fdn.org I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am sure, you realize, that what you heard is not what I meant.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: NEXTSTEP ObjectWare in May issue of Byte Message-ID: <1994Apr27.032023.10514@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 03:20:23 GMT Check out what Alex Cone (OTI) and Dirk Fromhein (Watershed) have to say about NEXTSTEP in the May issue of Byte magazine. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: Looking for Bar-a-Coda software Message-ID: <1994Apr28.035804.502@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <CoIA2u.J3w@demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 03:58:04 GMT Our product, Bar-a-Coda is available from Alembic Systems International (800) 452-7608 and Paget Press (800) 733-2031. Bar-a-Coda is the most comprehensive application for creating bar codes on any platform. You can create every type of bar code (over 20 in all) in EPS and TIFF format via Services, Drag and Drop, Object Linking and the GUI. These features allow you to seamlessly use Bar-Coda with your favorite word processor, page layout, etc... Moore Business Forms, one of the largest business form companies in the world and a major supplier of bar codes has been using our products for years. BTW - A recent post asked about creating Pioneer 2 of 5 bar codes for controlling a LaserDisc player. YES. Bar-a-Coda creates these too - that's why it's comprehensive. I spoke to the person who made the post and he's quite happy with the samples I sent him: "Thanks very much! The barcodes that you produced do indeed work!" For more info about Bar-a-Coda, BarCodeKit (Best of Breed ObjectWare Nominee), BarCodeBox scanners and our other products. Write to: info@hot.com or call + 1 617 252 0088. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP Registered ISV and Consulting In article <CoIA2u.J3w@demon.co.uk> david@ffcsas.demon.co.uk writes: > Hi, > > As the subject line says we are looking for Bar-a-coda software. Any > information would be appreciated. > > -- > Regards David Knight > > FFC Software and Systems Limited > 351 London Road Phone: +44 (0)702 551010 > Hadleigh Fax: +44 (0)702 551515 > Essex. SS7 2BT Email: david@ffcsas.demon.co.uk
From: slxn8@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Diamond Viper and SoftPC Message-ID: <1994Apr27.154830.17389@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Apr 94 15:48:30 MDT References: <2pknsk$7ih@crl2.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University In article <2pknsk$7ih@crl2.crl.com>, gorgon@crl.com (Zach Copley) writes: > What gives? > > Since I installed a Diamond Viper VLB card in my system, SoftPC wont run > anymore. It says "This session does not support full screen" and then > quits. Does SoftPC support the Diamond Viper? What's the deal? Works fine for me. Are you trying to run windows using a windows viper dirver? I tried to see if I could get this to work :-) but I couldn't. Is it possible to use SoftPC in full screen with a third-party window driver to get say, 800x600 or some such? Anyway, SoftPC running in a window and full screen works just fine for me on my NEC P60 with the Diamond Viper PCI. ====================================================================== John Zollinger (NextMail Preferred) Programmer/Analyst ati06!obsidian!johnz@attati.attmail.com [Moore BCS - Logan, Utah] "Life is too important to take seriously." ======================================================================
From: mgilula@inca.gate.net (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP user groups that are useful from long-distance? Date: 28 Apr 1994 10:35:33 -0400 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pohjl$1jde@inca.gate.net> References: <01050131.u2m0k0@mariposa.stonecutter.com> <2pjihq$l1n@rosie.next.com> dhsmith@next.com wrote: : In article <01050131.u2m0k0@mariposa.stonecutter.com> : sawtelle@stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle) writes: : #I am looking for a NEXTSTEP user group that might be useful even : though : #I am remote. Being unable to attend meetings in any metro area : (I'm : #about 3 hours from San Francisco) I suppose I would be most : interested : #in the quality of the newsletter and/or any listserv-type : communication : #that may be run by the group. Or cd-roms they may produce. : # : #Does BANG have a newsletter again yet? (From random postings I : have seen : #on the net, I have the impression that they died down but are now : #starting up again.) : # : #Any comments or suggestions are most welcome. If anyone can point : me : #toward a current list of groups/newsletters & their contact : #information, that would be great. : # : #Thanks, : # : #Don : There is a new listing of all User Groups on line at ftp.next.com : (or from NeXTanswers) which is split into US and International : Listings. The contact information is current as of February for : most groups, and it does list the meeting times, newsletter : frequency, special services, etc. : Hope this helps! also, it might be useful to write bill@andi.org to possibly to get the same type or more updated information about current NeXT User Groups. -73- : Darren Smith : User Group Coordinator -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@inca.gate.net el que busca nada mucho encuentra" Carpe resurrectionem mortuorum
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Emacs 4.0 available elsewhere than orst? Date: 28 Apr 1994 10:09:30 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <940428160633.4578AACUT.malc@jeeves> Is Emacs_for_NEXTSTEP 4.0 available from any ftp site other than cs.orst? I've tried a number of times to grab it but it's timed out on each occasion (without telling me -- boy am I glad I don't pay for connections!). If anybody could make it available elsewhere I'd be most grateful. Have fun, mmalcolm.
From: hvillega@roxette (Hugo Villegas Roji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Agfa-NeXT via ethernet? Date: 28 Apr 1994 14:59:03 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <2poivn$1cr1@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> Hi! I istalled NeXTSTEP 3.2 in our server and we found the PrintManager does not have the possibility to conect and Agfa Accuset imagesetter via Ethernet wi th apple share protocols. With 3.0 it was working well but I can't install 3.0 a gain. Anybody out there knows how can I conect this imagesetter to our NeXT comp uters net? I'll apreciate any help Thank you in advance ................................................................. Hugo Ernesto Villegas Roji . Nexit Diseno Grafico . . Ricardo Margain Zozaya 210-5 / CP 66267 . Valle de Santa Engracia / Garza Garcia / Nuevo Leon / Mexico . tels. 52 (8) 335 19 14 / 335 19 15 / 335 08 87 / 356 30 53 fax . .................................................................
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: For Paper economies Date: 28 Apr 94 09:09:35 GMT Organization: IGD Darmstadt Message-ID: <neuss.767524175@budlight> References: <2pgpp0$huc@thot.u-strasbg.fr> rudloff@gaveau.u-strasbg.fr (Rudloff) writes: >I'm looking for a App that would print two PostScript pages on the same >and so reduce the paper quantity by 2. >(When I want to print a ps document from Preview, the PageLayout is >disabled). Get quarto from sonata.cc.purdue.edu, or another archive. Compiles out of the box, and does just what you want. Chris -- "I ride a tandem with the random.." Christian Neuss # Fraunhofer Institute for Computer Graphics Wilhelminenstr.7 # 64283 Darmstadt # Germany e-mail: neuss@igd.fhg.de finger: neuss@wildturkey.igd.fhg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hans@tms-gmbh.de(Hans Stoeger) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP ObjectWare in May issue of Byte Message-ID: <Coz0xJ.s7@tms-gmbh.de> Sender: usenet@tms-gmbh.de Organization: tms GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <1994Apr27.032023.10514@hot.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 13:17:42 GMT In article <1994Apr27.032023.10514@hot.com> Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> writes: > Check out what Alex Cone (OTI) and Dirk Fromhein (Watershed) have to > say about NEXTSTEP in the May issue of Byte magazine. I hate it being in in europe and wait.... Hans
From: wolfgang@wi.WHU-Koblenz.de (Wolfgang Roeckelein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Tool for accessing UNIX machines Date: 28 Apr 1994 18:25:57 GMT Organization: WHU Koblenz Message-ID: <2pov3l$bbp@obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de> Hello, I think I saw some days ago a announcment for an NEXT app to access other UNIX machines for doing such work as file copying, etc. Unfortunatly, I can't find this announcment anymore. Can anybody tell me if I dreamed it or if such a piece exists and where? Thank you all in advance, Wolfgang -- Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Inf. Voice: +49 261 6509 173 Wolfgang Roeckelein Fax: +49 261 6509 179 WHU Koblenz E-Mail: roeckelein@wi.whu-koblenz.de Burgplatz 2 (NeXTmail ok) D-56179 Vallendar Germany
From: next2@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Emacs 4.0 available elsewhere than orst? Date: 28 Apr 94 19:58:42 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <next2.767563122@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <940428160633.4578AACUT.malc@jeeves> M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) writes: >Is Emacs_for_NEXTSTEP 4.0 available from any ftp site other than cs.orst? >I've tried a number of times to grab it but it's timed out on each occasion >(without telling me -- boy am I glad I don't pay for connections!). If >anybody could make it available elsewhere I'd be most grateful. ftp.uni-stuttgart.de ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de Regards, Markus. -- Markus Wenzel System administration, Consulting, Networking mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org on... NeXTSTEP / Unix / Novell / Windows NT IRC: Marsu Expert in quantum bogodynamics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: bill@pandora.gcr.com (William R. Herndon) Subject: AVI? Is there a NeXTStep viewer? Message-ID: <CozCtI.Dvo@pandora.gcr.com> Sender: bill@pandora.gcr.com (William R. Herndon) Organization: none Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 17:34:29 GMT From the postings I've seen in the alt.binaries.pictures hierarchy, I as- sume that this is some kind of motion video format mostly used with DOS and Windoz. Is this correct? If so is there a viewer for NeXTStep? Any information is appreciated. Thanks. - Max | William R. Herndon \ "My only regret in life is that I wasn't | | bill@pandora.gcr.com \ born with a prehensile tail." | | \ | | NeXTMail Welcome \ - Calvin |
From: indy@ih-nxt07.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: AVI? Is there a NeXTStep viewer? Date: 28 Apr 1994 21:55:49 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ppbd5$ijs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CozCtI.Dvo@pandora.gcr.com> Keywords: fully packed and cheaper than the leading brand In article <CozCtI.Dvo@pandora.gcr.com> bill@pandora.gcr.com (William R. Herndon) writes: > > From the postings I've seen in the alt.binaries.pictures hierarchy, I as- > sume that this is some kind of motion video format mostly used with DOS > and Windoz. Is this correct? If so is there a viewer for NeXTStep? > > Any information is appreciated. Thanks. Not at this time, to my knowledge. AVI is, I believe, Video for Windows. Presumably someone will write a NEXTIME widget for reading/writing these. There are a couple of fine little .FLI players for viewing animations in that format: FLIplay from Britain (on informatik in Munich) and MovieShow.app (on orst). A number of NASA fly-bys are now available in this format -check out gaspra.fli (asteroid fly-by) and emconj.fli (Earth-Moon conjunction) on explorer.ames.nasa.gov (I forget the exact directory; try /pub/space/movies or something).
From: jenkinsonjp@rcwusr.bp.com (John P. Jenkinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3 button mouse availability Message-ID: <1994Apr28.145734.761@rcwusr> Date: 28 Apr 94 14:57:34 -0600 Organization: BP Exploration (Alaska) what are my current options for users wanting a 3 button mouse on their NeXTstations? they run NeXTstem and Cube'X. they know the way to emulate 3 buttons on the two button NeXT mouse, but want to have 3 buttons. black mouse preferable i'd guess. ------------------- John Jenkinson BP Exploration (Alaska) jenkinson@sapc1.dnet.bp.com
From: wilson@cs.umd.edu (Anne Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Where to port my NeXT code?? Date: 28 Apr 1994 21:14:44 -0400 Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ppn24$l2o@ringding.cs.umd.edu> I wrote 7500 lines of C++ code fo my NeXT. The code uses Mach operating system level calls for multi-tasking, multi-threading, and message passing. I'd like to port this code somewhere! to some hardware that will hopefully be in existence for several years. Can anyone give any suggestions, or suggestions about who to ask or where to look? I really want a UNIX machine. I understand that Sun will implementing "OpenStep" or something like that - operating system independent NextStep. I'm not sure how much of NextStep is operating system independent, as I thought the whole thing was object oriented and relied on those OS level operations I described above. Does anyone know anything about this? Does anyone know how to contact Sun about this issue? I would appreciate as quick as responses as possible, as I am currently negotiating a job offer and I would like to include a request for this equipment, whatever it may be. Also, email responses directly to me would be appreciated. If there's interest, I'll summarize and post to the list. Thank you! Anne Wilson wilson@cs.umd.edu
From: chi@kaiwan.com (Lung-Chi Chuang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for file! help! Date: 29 Apr 1994 00:34:00 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310/527-4279,818/756-0180,714/741-2920) Message-ID: <2pqd98$k7s@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Where can I download CablesPreRelease1.0r40.tar ? This should be a communication software package for NS/I. Thank you!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Emacs 4.0 available elsewhere than orst? In-Reply-To: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk's message of 28 Apr 1994 10:09:30 -0500 To: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94Apr28134930@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <940428160633.4578AACUT.malc@jeeves> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 17:49:30 GMT In article <940428160633.4578AACUT.malc@jeeves> M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Malcolm Crawford) writes: Is Emacs_for_NEXTSTEP 4.0 available from any ftp site other than cs.orst? I've tried a number of times to grab it but it's timed out on each occasion (without telling me -- boy am I glad I don't pay for connections!). If anybody could make it available elsewhere I'd be most grateful. I uploaded it to the submissions directory of nova.cc.purdue.edu this morning. The way nova is run it is likely that it will remain there forever, but that probably isn't much of a concern. The mirror sites such as src.doc.ic.ac.uk should have it within 24 hours or so. Carl Edman
From: gguelden@ixpoint.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where to port my NeXT code?? Date: 29 Apr 1994 09:20:28 GMT Organization: iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH, Waldbronn, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <2pqjgs$fdh@balu.ixpoint.de> References: <2ppn24$l2o@ringding.cs.umd.edu> In article <2ppn24$l2o@ringding.cs.umd.edu> wilson@cs.umd.edu (Anne Wilson) writes: > I understand that Sun will implementing "OpenStep" or something like that - > operating system independent NextStep. I'm not sure how much of NextStep > is operating system independent, as I thought the whole thing was object > oriented and relied on those OS level operations I described above. Does > anyone know anything about this? > > Does anyone know how to contact Sun about this issue? > No problem. Buy a HP 7XX or a SPARC. They will do NEXTSTEP native and your code should work. Dont try to use OpenStep. It is (!) independent from the OS. So it cant handle mach_threads and message_passing. That is stated in the first issue of OpenStep and NEXTSTEP compatibility guide I have seen recently. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Dipl.- Inform. Gerd Gueldenpfennig + + iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH + + Im Ermlisgrund 20-24 76337 Waldbronn Germany + + Phone ++49 7243/65535 Fax ++49 7243 69817 + + Email: gguelden@ixpoint.de (NeXTmail welcome) + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Faxing multiple documents together Message-ID: <Cp0zLv.3LG@das.harvard.edu> From: newman@string.harvard.edu (Michael Newman) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 14:44:18 GMT Sender: usenet@das.harvard.edu Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Just suppose that I have two documents (for sake of argument, a cover letter and a resume) that I want to Fax together from my NeXT, using the standard Print/Fax menu item. Does anyone know how I can send them out together, rather than in two goes? The documents are either .dvi or .ps files. Thanks, Mike Newman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mikes@ceco.ceco.com (Michael Stepniczka) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP ObjectWare in May issue of Byt Message-ID: <Cp140L.HII@ceco.ceco.com> Sender: root@ceco.ceco.com (Operator) Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co. References: <Coz0xJ.s7@tms-gmbh.de> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 16:19:32 GMT <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> writes: > Check out what Alex Cone (OTI) and Dirk Fromhein (Watershed) have to > say about NEXTSTEP in the May issue of Byte magazine. I got kind of upset when I read the cover- "Why Object-Oriented Computing Failed" or something to that effect. I thought "It did??" Hmmmmm. Maybe I should cancel my subscription- there's only so much MicroSoft cheerleading I can take, and a story about how VBXs for VisualBasic have killed OO programming... Then I read the article. It rips on a lot of the OO problems (C++ in particular), but NS was mentioned very favorably. A pleasant surprise! Mike Stepniczka mikes@ceco.ceco.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP ObjectWare in May issue of Byt Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Cp1AxH.1Jox@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 18:48:53 GMT References: <Cp140L.HII@ceco.ceco.com> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 In article <Cp140L.HII@ceco.ceco.com> mikes@ceco.ceco.com (Michael Stepniczka) writes: > <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> writes: > > Check out what Alex Cone (OTI) and Dirk Fromhein (Watershed) have to > > say about NEXTSTEP in the May issue of Byte magazine. > > I got kind of upset when I read the cover- "Why Object-Oriented Computing Failed" > or something to that effect. I thought "It did??" Hmmmmm. Maybe I should cancel > my subscription- there's only so much MicroSoft cheerleading I can take, and a byte is one of the most depressing stories on the consumer side of computing. we had a very nice magazine there six or seven years ago. what a shame.
From: jcooper@olympus.net (Jim Cooper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP ObjectWare in May issue of Byte Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 30 Apr 1994 03:32:59 GMT Organization: Big Tree Technology Message-ID: <jcooper-290494202859@199.4.191.45> References: <Cp140L.HII@ceco.ceco.com> <Cp1AxH.1Jox@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> In article <Cp1AxH.1Jox@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) wrote: > In article <Cp140L.HII@ceco.ceco.com> mikes@ceco.ceco.com (Michael Stepniczka) > writes: > > <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> writes: > > > Check out what Alex Cone (OTI) and Dirk Fromhein (Watershed) have to > > > say about NEXTSTEP in the May issue of Byte magazine. > > > > I got kind of upset when I read the cover- "Why Object-Oriented Computing > Failed" > > or something to that effect. I thought "It did??" Hmmmmm. Maybe I should > cancel > > my subscription- there's only so much MicroSoft cheerleading I can take, and > a > Well, yes, the cover is pretty misleading. The actual story is about how OO Computing has failed to deliver reuseable abjects (except for NeXTStep the story points out), and why that's true. It also is pretty straight up about why Visual Basic components are less than desireable even though they are quite popular. Overall a pretty accurate picture of the current state of things in the resuseable software component arena today. -- -jim cooper- Some do, Some Don't, Some Waffle... @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->- @->-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) Subject: Re: Looking for file! help! Message-ID: <Cp1qDL.L4t@cc.umontreal.ca> Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal References: <2pqd98$k7s@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 00:22:31 GMT Lung-Chi Chuang (chi@kaiwan.com) wrote: : Where can I download CablesPreRelease1.0r40.tar ? : This should be a communication software package for NS/I. : Thank you! This is commercial software, is it not? I would doubt you can just go fetch it from an FTP site, unless Yrrid Inc. has made it so that it is a demo. Anyways, you can contact the maker of Cables at: cables@yrrid.com -- "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that the thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." -- Mentat Piter de Vries
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Faxing multiple documents together Date: 30 Apr 1994 05:45:17 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <2psr9d$mqd@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <Cp0zLv.3LG@das.harvard.edu> In article <Cp0zLv.3LG@das.harvard.edu>, Michael Newman <newman@string.harvard.edu> wrote: >Just suppose that I have two documents (for sake of argument, a cover >letter and a resume) that I want to Fax together from my NeXT, using the >standard Print/Fax menu item. Does anyone know how I can send them out >together, rather than in two goes? The documents are either .dvi or .ps >files. There is a program called PageChain. I haven't tried it, but it is supposed to be good. RWW. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines, Keeper of the ZyXEL modem FAQ, University of British Columbia NeXT Users Group Leader and collector of titles.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Faxing multiple documents together Message-ID: <1994Apr29.233435.6939@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <Cp0zLv.3LG@das.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 23:34:35 GMT In article <Cp0zLv.3LG@das.harvard.edu> writes: > Just suppose that I have two documents (for sake of argument, a cover > letter and a resume) that I want to Fax together from my NeXT, using the > standard Print/Fax menu item. Does anyone know how I can send them out > together, rather than in two goes? The documents are either .dvi or .ps > files. You need an app called PageChain, whioch was once sold by Pinnacle. I have been unable to trace whoever now sells this app. One for the great black hole. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: Looking for file! help! Message-ID: <1994Apr30.053652.8423@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <2pqd98$k7s@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 05:36:52 GMT In article <2pqd98$k7s@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> chi@kaiwan.com (Lung-Chi Chuang) writes: > Where can I download CablesPreRelease1.0r40.tar ? > This should be a communication software package for NS/I. You have a later version than I do. When did r40 come out? Anyway the author reads stuff here on occaision so you should get a location. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: recovering destroyed file Message-ID: <2prq4v$pig@kasey.umkc.edu> From: dmedhi@cstp.umkc.edu (Deep Medhi) Date: 29 Apr 1994 20:19:43 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City A friend of mine accidently destroyed an important file first by putting in the Recyler and then invoking "Empty Reclyer". Is there any way to recover it? (I thought you can't; but then some one will hopefully prove me wrong). He is running 2.1. Deep Medhi Univ of Missouri-Kansas City
From: pmarc@allanon.math.byu.edu (Paul Cardon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tool for accessing UNIX machines Date: 30 Apr 1994 15:03:18 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2ptrvm$go8@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <2pov3l$bbp@obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de> In article <2pov3l$bbp@obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de> wolfgang@wi.WHU-Koblenz.de (Wolfgang Roeckelein) writes: > Hello, > I think I saw some days ago a announcment for an NEXT app to access other > UNIX machines for doing such work as file copying, etc. > > Unfortunatly, I can't find this announcment anymore. > > Can anybody tell me if I dreamed it or if such a piece exists and where? > It's RBrowser which can be found in /pub/RBrowser at sutro.sfsu.edu. -- Paul M. Cardon President of Provo-Orem NeXTSTEP User and Developer Group (PoNG) NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Department - Brigham Young University DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT in Object magazine Message-ID: <66616@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 30 Apr 94 15:22:16 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Dr. Ronald E. FE Weissman (Dir. of Corp. Marketing at NeXT Computer Inc.) wrote an article in March-April Object magazine on pages 38-39. It is about distributed object -- client server and discusses PDO at the right time. Also on page 39 in the end of a previous story, a person writes that Development environments like OpenStep from NeXT are coming into being, freeing up some of the (technical) details of the old paradigm that get in the wasy of the new paradigm. They got the capatilization of NeXT correct. Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: khw2x@sonja.math.Virginia.EDU (Kevin H. Weiss) Subject: Printing to a remote HPLaserJet4si Message-ID: <Coy84p.3Ix@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 02:55:36 GMT We just bought an HPLaserJet4si and have it hooked up to an RS6000 running AIX. The NeXT is running NS3.0 While I can print by telling the NeXT it's a LaserJetIIIsi, I'd like to know how to get the NeXT to recognize that it's an HPLaserJet4si, so I can do things like print at a resolution higher than 300dpi... Thanks, Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Weiss Department of Mathematics khw2x@sonja.math.Virginia.edu (NeXT mail) University of Virginia khw2x@virginia.edu (Non-NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pfkeb@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul F. Kunz) Subject: Re: OpenStep for $100 In-Reply-To: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov's message of 16 Apr 1994 19:08:22 GMT Message-ID: <PFKEB.94Apr30082759@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <2op52q$1qi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <2opd36$fek@paperboy.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 15:27:59 GMT >>>>> On 16 Apr 1994 19:08:22 GMT, cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) said: > I might try out FREE software that has some power, even if it > doesn't have the sexy look or full toolset, (i.e. gnustep/linux) but > if I'm going to pay $100 for a partially-supported product with a > partial set of tools, I think I'd squeeze out $500 more to get the > whole banana. Now, if there's no way I can GET the whole banana for > less than $3K, well, then I'd look real carefully at exactly what > $100 might buy compared to gnustep/linux. But of course the great > advantage of linux has been that because of its non-proprietary > nature, it's got a worldwide team of pretty sharp programmers all > contributing to it for free. What tools would you provide that > gnustep doesn't, that might make me want to give up the advantages > of having a non-proprietary OS? Or ARE you planning to make source > available? --Bob-- > Checkout our objcX library on ftp.slac.stanford.edu:/pub/sources. Its implements quite a bit of the appkit using X and Motif. When someone contributes sources to get the Motif out, then it can be contributed to FSF and be called GNUStep. It runs under Linux and other UNIX platforms. -- Paul F. Kunz Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu (NeXT mail ok) Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University Voice: (415) 926-2884 (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GatorFTP for NS/I 3.2 that works Date: 30 Apr 1994 15:54:56 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2ptv0g$g0d@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Apr26.134048.15568@cs.uno.edu> <1994Apr27.134604.6924@cs.yale.edu> In article <1994Apr27.134604.6924@cs.yale.edu>, Jim Horne <jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu> wrote: 5~ >You can get version 1.5 from uhoop.egr.uh.edu in /pub/misc/GatorFTP. According >to the .README file, the changes are that the pie chart icon isn't there >anymore, and the date of the file also shows up.No mention of whether it works >on Intel now, and I don't have one so can't test it. > >The new date display only works on some ftp sites. I sent email a couple of >days ago to Mike Mezzino, mezzino@gauss.cl.uh.edu, who seems to be the current >maintainer, but have gotten no response yet. > > This version does appear to work on Intel from what I've been able to test so far. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Faxing multiple documents together Date: 1 May 1994 02:29:08 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Message-ID: <2pv45kINNpuh@uwm.edu> References: <Cp0zLv.3LG@das.harvard.edu> <1994Apr29.233435.6939@seer.demon.co.uk> In article <1994Apr29.233435.6939@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk writes: >In article <Cp0zLv.3LG@das.harvard.edu> writes: >> Just suppose that I have two documents (for sake of argument, a cover >> letter and a resume) that I want to Fax together from my NeXT, using the >> standard Print/Fax menu item. Does anyone know how I can send them out >> together, rather than in two goes? The documents are either .dvi or .ps >> files. > >You need an app called PageChain, whioch was once sold by Pinnacle. I Or Collagist from SmartSoft. If purchased together with StayInTouch it provides a very easy way to fax multiple people mutliple documents. -- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kenw@tfs.com (Ken Worthy) Subject: Cutting/pasting from a .tif file Message-ID: <Cp3ryF.D1G@tfs.com> Organization: TRW Financial Systems Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 02:51:51 GMT Is there a graphic tool running on NeXTStep that will cut snippets from a .tif file? I.e., I want to cut out part of a .tif image and then paste it into a Draw or WriteNow document. Ken Worthy
From: pcteoh00@mik.uky.edu (Pek Chan Teoh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Paste Board Viewer? Date: 1 May 94 06:59:43 GMT Organization: University of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Message-ID: <pcteoh00.767775583@mik.uky.edu> Hi guys Just wander is there a paste board viewer that can view the paste board server on NeXT. Well, you can always Paste or command-v to dump the content, but ... I just wander :) Regards. --- teoh (VIP - Very Ignorant Person)
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking info on ISDN connectivity Date: 1 May 1994 14:19:49 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2q0dq5$ol1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Apr18.172437.2133@afs.com> <BURNS.94Apr20175735@wildcat.bellcore.com> <2p5iip$m6@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >In article <BURNS.94Apr20175735@wildcat.bellcore.com>, >James E. Burns <burns@bellcore.com> wrote: >>The Hayes Extender is essentially dead. It depends on the PhoneKit, >>which as far as I know has never been picked up. In any case, it >I thought it was picked up by Pencom, but then shelved. >We have two of them, gathering dust. We were fairly pissed >about it at the time. >I'm using ISDN, incidentally on a cube, but it can be used >on any ethernet using the right bridges or hubs, and with >compression, speeds in the .5 Mbps range are possible. All >it takes is money. So, just to clarify - Jess, you aren't using the Hayes cheap-o box? It's not supported anymore? -- David Lemson University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Paste Board Viewer? Date: 1 May 1994 12:08:00 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9405011708.AA17653@alleg.EDU> Yes, there are a few pasteboard inspectors of them. Such as: ================================================================= FTP SITE: ftp.cs.orst.edu Relevant Files: /pub/next/binaries/next-interface/Pastry-1.0.README /pub/next/binaries/next-interface/Pastry-1.0.tar /pub/next/sources/next-interface/Pasteboard.tar.gz /pub/next/sources/next-interface/Pasteboard.tar.gz.readme ================================================================= TjL --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Paste Board Viewer? Date: 1 May 1994 17:29:53 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2q0ouh$60@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <pcteoh00.767775583@mik.uky.edu> pcteoh00@mik.uky.edu (Pek Chan Teoh) writes: >Hi guys > Just wander is there a paste board viewer that can view the >paste board server on NeXT. Well, you can always Paste or command-v >to dump the content, but ... I just wander :) You want Pastry -a MOST cool applet. Try cs.orst.edu, /pub/next/submissions... Cheers, -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Paste Board Viewer? Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cp4wCu.H2J@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 17:24:30 GMT References: <pcteoh00.767775583@mik.uky.edu> Organization: Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN In article <pcteoh00.767775583@mik.uky.edu>, Pek Chan Teoh <pcteoh00@mik.uky.edu> wrote: > > Just wander is there a paste board viewer that can view the >paste board server on NeXT. Well, you can always Paste or command-v >to dump the content, but ... I just wander :) > There are 3 or 4 different ones -- there's one in particular that I'd recommend, but I'm probably biased :-) Pastry is available at the following sites: cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/binaries/next-interface ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de:/pub/comp/platforms/next/Tools/pasteboard sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions You can use Pastry's inspector to look at the contents of the standard NeXTSTEP pasteboards. In addition, Pastry's main purpose is to let you place any number of items onto the pasteboard -- essentially it remembers the last n things you've copied or cut and lets you paste any one of them. It works with the general purpose, font, ruler, and find pasteboards. See the online help for details. (End of shameless plug.) There are some other pasteboard inspectors as well -- check the same places that you find Pastry. They all work a little bit differently, so you can probably find one to your liking. Good luck, Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah." NeXT Mail accepted --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: ShiTao Vsn2.0 Color? Message-ID: <Cp4zxu.C9o@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 18:41:54 GMT I am unable to get Color when running the game ShiTao on a Next Dimension based 68040 Cube under NS3.2. Is this a know problem or am I doing something wrong? Thanks for your help. --Tim -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcenmp.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: bdnee@max.tiac.net (Charles Bandes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Artist has questions about NextStep Date: 1 May 1994 21:02:10 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Message-ID: <2q15ci$jpt@sundog.tiac.net> Hi - I'm searching for a new system - I've been using Amigas for years, and am an avid fan of good multitasking, object-oriented behavior and so forth. The NEXT OS is very appealing to me, but I have some misgivings about the availability of software and hardware for it. I'm an artist, my primary uses for my computer is 24bit paint/image manipulation, DTP, structured drawing... I'll need a WP and terminal software too... that's about it. If I were to buy a Pentium configured for NextSTEP, would I still be able to use my HP-LJ3p printer, and my Epson 600c scanner? On the software side, is Photoshop or Fractal Painter available for NS? Are there any equivalent programs? As far as SoftPC goes, it seems silly to emulate a PC on a PC, doesn't it? How fast is SoftPC, and how compatible? Will games run through it? I work for a PC game developer, it'd be awful nice to be able to run our products at home... But I loathe windows/dos, won't buy a computer that relies on them. How is the PD realm for NS, is there a lot available? I've grown accustomed to worlds of wonderful free/nearly free goodies for my Amiga Workbench... Anyway, if someone could send me a software list, or something to that effect, I'd really appreciate it. How much SW comes bundled with NS? I remember the original Nexts had all sorts of things built into their MO drives... And is there educational pricing for NeXT? Many thanks - Charley please send email, i can't always read this group bdnee@max.tiac.net
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 1 May 1994 09:35:22 GMT Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <Cowu4w.G4@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thomas Engel writes > Rumor---Rumor > > NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. > Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. > NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) > Some NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail will > work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. > > Anyway..just a rumor. I heard all rumours mentioned above except "will have BSD 4.4". Has anyone more information about this? It would be the most interesting part of 3.3. Markus. -- /dev/ Markus Wenzel /usr/spool/mail/ mow@marsu.uni-stuttgart.de /etc/zoneinfo/ University of Stuttgart /bin/ps System administration, Consulting, Networking
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: List All Files with Full Path Name Date: 1 May 1994 18:51:17 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9405012351.AA28700@alleg.EDU> Here's what I am trying to do: compile a full listing of all files/folders/subfolders/subfiles in my account and make an index much like the Index to an FTP sire that you might find, where each line holds the complete pathname to the file. For example, if there is a file called 'test' within a folder called 'old' within my ~/Library folder, the entry would be: ~/Library/old/test so I can 'cat' the file for a word/phrase/segment and have it return the full path to the file. Does anyone know of a way this might be accomplished? I would like something that would be much like what would be returned by 'ls -l' if it would give the full path and not just the filename. If this doesn't make any sense, please let me know. Thanks TjL --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: List All Files with Full Path Name -- THANKS Date: 1 May 1994 20:21:30 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9405020121.AA02120@alleg.EDU> Thanks to all of those who reminded me that there is a find command which will do just what I wanted, if you use the right syntax (me? use the wrong syntax? nah. never) The two options I have heard the most often are: find ~ -print and find $HOME -print What I basically wanted was a way to do a fast find of things on my account. But of course, I can't run a cron job in my situation as a loseruser, so I added this line to the script I run at login time by Workspace LaunchPaths: find ~ -print > ~/Library/Backups/AccountListing.txt and added thess aliases to my .cshrc # to find an entry alias fynd "cat $backups/AccountListing.txt | grep \!*" (excuse the olde English... I'm writing a paper for my Brit Lit class and this was the only thing I could think of) # to update the list alias newlist 'find ~ -print > ~/Library/Backups/AccountListing.txt' so I can search for files by using % fynd <string> Maybe it ain't perfect, but it works. Thanks for the assistance, once again, TjL --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO
From: "Thomas G. Mon" <tm31+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ShiTao Vsn2.0 Color? Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 21:11:13 -0400 Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4hl5AlS00iV8I7JdsC@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <Cp4zxu.C9o@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 1-May-94 ShiTao Vsn2.0 Color? by Tim Pugh@aplcenmp.apl.jh > I am unable to get Color when running the game ShiTao on a Next Dimension > based 68040 Cube under NS3.2. Is this a know problem or am I doing something > wrong? Thanks for your help. > --Tim I didn't make a color version yet.. in fact, if someone with a color machine would like to make one for me, I would gladly accept the help and put his/her name all over the documentation (well, maybe not ALL over...).. I think if I tried to make color tiles my Mono station, they would look... well... "whacked out". Anyways, for people that read this bboard, the next version will be out next week sometime (around May 9th or so). It will be FAT, have undo, and lots of other things that are fixed. Tom. tm31@andrew.cmu.edu [NeXTmail welcome]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mjh@runge.mit.edu (Michael J. Hopkins) Subject: Re: List All Files with Full Path Name Message-ID: <1994May2.013510.27243@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics References: <9405012351.AA28700@alleg.EDU> Date: Mon, 2 May 94 01:35:10 GMT In article <9405012351.AA28700@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) writes: >Here's what I am trying to do: > >compile a full listing of all files/folders/subfolders/subfiles in my >account and make an index much like the Index to an FTP sire that you >might find, where each line holds the complete pathname to the file. >For example, if there is a file called 'test' within a folder called >'old' within my ~/Library folder, the entry would be: > >~/Library/old/test I don't know if this is all that elegant, but the following will work. mymachine> find ~ -name '*' -print > filelist The contents of filelist will contain everything in your home directory, as well as all subdirectories, listed with their full pathnames. If you want a more refined list, see the man page for find. Mike -- ----------------------------------- Mike Hopkins mjh@math.mit.edu -----------------------------------
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: List All Files with Full Path Name Date: 2 May 1994 01:28:48 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2q1l0g$rnk@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <9405012351.AA28700@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) writes: > Here's what I am trying to do: > > compile a full listing of all files/folders/subfolders/subfiles in my > account and make an index much like the Index to an FTP sire that you > might find, where each line holds the complete pathname to the file. > For example, if there is a file called 'test' within a folder called > 'old' within my ~/Library folder, the entry would be: > > ~/Library/old/test > > so I can 'cat' the file for a word/phrase/segment and have it return > the full path to the file. > > Does anyone know of a way this might be accomplished? I would like > something that would be much like what would be returned by 'ls -l' > if it would give the full path and not just the filename. The long, laborious answer is that you could FTP to eclipse.its.rpi.edu and check in the directory NeXT/ls_output for a script called Snapshot_HD. The purpose of that script was to take a snapshot of the hard disk, and it was used to create the various listings that are also in that directory. This was really to track differences between different versions of NeXTSTEP, and as usual I got a little carried away. The much shorter, more direct answer to your question would be: find ~ -ls > /tmp/somefile (where ~ is your home directory, of course) or perhaps better: cd ~ find . -ls > /tmp/somefile -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? In-Reply-To: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org's message of 1 May 1994 09:35:22 GMT To: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <Cowu4w.G4@shinto.nbg.sub.org> <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 02:08:11 GMT In article <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: Thomas Engel writes > Rumor---Rumor > > NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. > Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. > NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) > Some NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail will > work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. > > Anyway..just a rumor. I heard all rumours mentioned above except "will have BSD 4.4". Has anyone more information about this? It would be the most interesting part of 3.3. Yes, that would be a great advance. If all of the above was true, I'd consider 3.3 the most significant upgrade since 2.0 at least. Unfortunately I don't have any firm information on that. However, NeXT _has_ announced that zsh 2.4 will be part of NS 3.3 and has at least expressed interested in a few other free programs such as Emacs for NeXTstep. Personally, I can only congratulate them on distributing some of the most popular free software along with the operating. As the OS CDs are almost empty in any case, this involves virtually no cost to NeXT and very many NS users who aren't as plugged into the net as we are will benefit greatly. Carl Edman
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/I vendors Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 29 Apr 1994 19:29:53 GMT Organization: George Mason University, fairfax va. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2prn7h$ju3@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: Need a vendor Please respond in EMAIL I am looking for NeXTSTEP vendors who sell the Intel version of the OS. All I need is a "User" level copy of the OS. I do however need it to be a company who: - Has it currently in stock - Can accept normal corporate terms - Can ship overnight NeXT is apperently back ordered on it, & I need to get a copy fast. So I'm basicly looking for a third party vendor someplace. I'd prefer a company in the DC metro area, but I frankly don't give a damn, as overnight shipping only adds a day to the process. Thankyou, Tim Scanlon tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu
From: b_drake@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Bruce Drake) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: next and where you can get it? Date: 2 May 1994 03:56:08 GMT Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia. Message-ID: <2q1tko$3ue@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au> Hi anyone who reads this, As you may have worked out I am in Tasmania, Australia... Now the problem is, where do I go to to buy a copy of next or just find out information about it?. I have read the FAQ and they talk about writing to NeXT for the user manuals, but no one says where to actually write to, that is the address of NeXT, so could someone please email me the real-mail address or email address that someone reads, NOT NeXTanswers I have tried that!!! Thanks in advance... P.S. If anyone reads this who has NeXT in Tasmania, could you please contact me I should have used NeXT in that caoptiliasation in my subject but I couldn't be bothered retyping it!! -- University isn't a job, it's an adventure. b_drake@postoffice.utas.edu.au
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: List All Files with Full Path Name Date: 2 May 1994 01:19:02 +0100 Organization: me organised, that's a joke. Message-ID: <2q1gtm$v0@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <9405012351.AA28700@alleg.edu> luomat@alleg.EDU (Tim Luoma) wrote in comp.sys.next.misc >Here's what I am trying to do: > >compile a full listing of all files/folders/subfolders/subfiles in my >account and make an index much like the Index to an FTP sire that you >might find, where each line holds the complete pathname to the file. >For example, if there is a file called 'test' within a folder called >'old' within my ~/Library folder, the entry would be: > >~/Library/old/test > >so I can 'cat' the file for a word/phrase/segment and have it return >the full path to the file. > >Does anyone know of a way this might be accomplished? I would like >something that would be much like what would be returned by 'ls -l' >if it would give the full path and not just the filename. > >If this doesn't make any sense, please let me know. If you just want the full path of each file name then do this.. find / \! -type d -print -exec ls -al {} \; -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: tyf@blackslab.hip.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 2 May 1994 08:42:09 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> In article <CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: + In article <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: + Thomas Engel writes + > Rumor---Rumor + > + > NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. + > Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. + > NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) + > Some NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail will + > work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. + > + > Anyway..just a rumor. + + I heard all rumours mentioned above except "will have BSD 4.4". + Has anyone more information about this? It would be the most interesting + part of 3.3. Wait .. I think BSD 4.4 is not officially released yet. Besides, NeXT uses Mach, not BSD. Unless they rewrite Mach to be BSD 4.4 compliant .. but that would be a lot of work .. + + Yes, that would be a great advance. If all of the above was true, I'd + consider 3.3 the most significant upgrade since 2.0 at least. + Unfortunately I don't have any firm information on that. However, + NeXT _has_ announced that zsh 2.4 will be part of NS 3.3 and has at + least expressed interested in a few other free programs such as Emacs + for NeXTstep. + + Personally, I can only congratulate them on distributing some of the + most popular free software along with the operating. As the OS CDs + are almost empty in any case, this involves virtually no cost to NeXT + and very many NS users who aren't as plugged into the net as we are + will benefit greatly. + + Carl Edman -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Tin-Yau Fung @ UC Berkeley NeXTmail/email : tyf@ucsee.eecs.berkeley.edu
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: List All Files with Full Path Name -- THANKS Date: 02 May 1994 09:45:30 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May2104530@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <9405020121.AA02120@alleg.EDU> To: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) In-reply-to: luomat@alleg.EDU's message of 1 May 1994 20:21:30 -0500 >>>>> "Timothy" == Timothy J Luoma <luomat@alleg.EDU> writes: Timothy> What I basically wanted was a way to do a fast find of things Timothy> on my account. But of course, I can't run a cron job in my Timothy> situation as a loseruser, so I added this line to the script Timothy> I run at login time by Workspace LaunchPaths: Ask your sysadmin to install Vixie Cron. Timothy> find ~ -print > ~/Library/Backups/AccountListing.txt Timothy> and added thess aliases to my .cshrc Did you originally want something in ls -l format? ie. permissions etc? but without the directories listed at the top... -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 02 May 1994 09:48:03 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May2104803@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <Cowu4w.G4@shinto.nbg.sub.org> <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> To: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) In-reply-to: cedman@princeton.edu's message of Mon, 2 May 1994 02:08:11 GMT >>>>> "Carl" == Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> writes: Carl> In article <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Carl> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: Thomas Engel Carl> writes >> Rumor---Rumor >> >> NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. >> NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) Some >> NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail >> will work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. >> >> Anyway..just a rumor. What's it going to cost? with 4.4 AND the new foundation kit stuff? With NeXT's main market being FS.. Have they expressed _demand_ for BSD4.4? -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where can I find decompression utils? (LHA, ZIP) Followup-To: poster Date: 2 May 1994 16:03:34 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2q388m$nhd@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Keywords: LHA, ZIP Hi, where can I find decompression/compression utilities to allow me to decompress .ZIP, and .LHA files? Thanks for any info, P.S. If this info can befound in a FAQ list, please direct me to the right one. -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where can I find decompression utils? (LHA, ZIP) Date: 2 May 1994 12:59:57 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9405021757.AA22900@alleg.EDU> In a comp.sys.next.misc article you wrote: Hi, where can I find decompression/compression utilities to allow me to decompress .ZIP, and .LHA files? The first place I would look would be Opener.app. FTP Site: ftp.cs.orst.edu Files: /pub/next/binaries/util/Opener.app_3.1.2_FAT.README /pub/next/binaries/util/Opener.app_3.1.2_FAT.tar.Z I know that it will work for .zip files... I am not sure about .lha, but I'd assume it would work for those as well. TjL --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Where can I find decompression utils? (LHA, ZIP) Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cp6st2.FwA@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 18:03:02 GMT References: <2q388m$nhd@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Organization: Purdue Data Network In article <2q388m$nhd@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes: > Hi, where can I find decompression/compression utilities to allow > me to decompress .ZIP, and .LHA files? > > Thanks for any info, > I think the first thing to do is to pick up Opener.app from one of the archives. This includes most compression schemes. Certainly ZIP, but don't know 'bout LHA. Cheers. -- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Where can I find decompression utils? (LHA, ZIP) Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cp6tED.G0y@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 18:15:49 GMT References: <2q388m$nhd@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Organization: Purdue Data Network In article <2q388m$nhd@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes: > Hi, where can I find decompression/compression utilities to allow > me to decompress .ZIP, and .LHA files? > > Thanks for any info, > I think the first thing to do is to pick up Opener.app from one of the archives. This includes most compression schemes. Certainly ZIP, but don't know 'bout LHA. Cheers. -- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Where can I find decompression utils? (LHA, ZIP) Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cp6tEn.G1u@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 18:15:59 GMT References: <2q388m$nhd@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Organization: Purdue Data Network In article <2q388m$nhd@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes: > Hi, where can I find decompression/compression utilities to allow > me to decompress .ZIP, and .LHA files? > > Thanks for any info, > I think the first thing to do is to pick up Opener.app from one of the archives. This includes most compression schemes. Certainly ZIP, but don't know 'bout LHA. Cheers. -- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Where can I find decompression utils? (LHA, ZIP) Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cp6tEw.spv@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 18:16:08 GMT References: <2q388m$nhd@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Organization: Purdue Data Network In article <2q388m$nhd@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes: > Hi, where can I find decompression/compression utilities to allow > me to decompress .ZIP, and .LHA files? > > Thanks for any info, > I think the first thing to do is to pick up Opener.app from one of the archives. This includes most compression schemes. Certainly ZIP, but don't know 'bout LHA. Cheers. -- Jon Haveman Asst. Prof. of Economics ,_~o jon@mgmt.purdue.edu Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, (317) 494-6156 (Office) Purdue University (*)/'(*) (317) 494-9658 (Fax) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Subject: Music Pallettes for Diagram? Message-ID: <Cp6IAu.MA0@cvbnet.CV.COM> Sender: usenet@cvbnet.CV.COM (News Account ) Organization: Computervision Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 14:16:06 GMT hi! I was wondering if there were any public-domain Diagram pallettes out there for doing simple musical notation (e.g. note and rest symbols, etc.)? Thanks for any info. -- Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730-1486 fax: (617) 275-5166
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: Where can I find decompression utils? (LHA, ZIP) Message-ID: <Cp6yDJ.IxA@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <9405021757.AA22900@alleg.EDU> Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 20:03:19 GMT Timothy J. Luoma (luomat@alleg.EDU) wrote: : you wrote: : Hi, where can I find decompression/compression utilities : to allow me to decompress .ZIP, and .LHA files? : : The first place I would look would be Opener.app. : I know that it will work for .zip files... I am not sure about .lha, : but I'd assume it would work for those as well. If you mean .lzh (instead of .lha), yes it can do them. This does not support more recent versions of lha.exe, but it works for the older lharc archives. It does not work with files created with LHA 2.55, and I don't think it works with LHA 2.13, either (but I may be wrong...) --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: slxn8@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BSD 4.4, what will that mean? Message-ID: <1994May2.174947.17900@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 May 94 17:49:47 MDT Organization: Utah State University I have been reading the rumors lately about BSD 4.4 being a part of NS 3.2. Being a Nextstep "guts" neophyte, can someone explain what this will mean if it does come to pass? Thanks, John Z. slxn8@cc.usu.edu
From: mallen@palpatine (Mark Allen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What type of tape do I need? Date: 3 May 1994 02:00:36 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL USA Message-ID: <2q4b84$9v2@news.acns.nwu.edu> Distrubution: world I have procured a SCSI connector cable, a power cable and yes, even a terminator for my old tape drive. Now what I need are the tapes for the drive. I found out what kind of tape drive I have after I inspected the signature on the bus. It's a TEAC tape drive, MT-2ST/N50. It looks like it takes standard cassette tapes (not the 2120 or 2000 size of tapes.) Any help on who, or where I can get some would be most appreciated. -- mallen@nwu.edu (NeXTMail welcome) Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. finger mallen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu for PGP public key
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gelato@netcom.com (Steve James) Subject: Re: Good, cheap hotels for NeXTstep Expo ? Message-ID: <gelatoCp7M9u.7Es@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2pcdvl$b7i@search01.news.aol.com> <2ph59v$7h6@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu> <2pii3v$5no@steffi.demon.co.uk> <2pjmd5$3if@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 04:39:30 GMT Another alternative is to not stay in San Francisco. Moscone Center is just a few blocks from both the Powell and Montogomery St exits of BART, so you can stay anywhere along the BART line. Staying somewhere in the East Bay is on average much cheaper; the round trip BART ticket is about $3. The last train leaves SF around midnight during the week, so don't go this route if you want to experience the nightlife of SF.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: allan@narwal.ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May2.162640.13063@narwal.ali.bc.ca> Organization: A.L.I. Technologies Distribution: na Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 16:26:40 GMT Markus Wenzel writes: >Thomas Engel writes >> Rumor---Rumor >> >> NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. >> Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. >> NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) >> Some NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail will >> work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. >> >> Anyway..just a rumor. > >I heard all rumours mentioned above except "will have BSD 4.4". >Has anyone more information about this? It would be the most interesting >part of 3.3. > I agree. If I'm not mistaken BSD 4.4 has support for both journaled and ram-based file systems. NeXTSTEP's lack of a journaled file system is a major cause of concern for us and is one thing in which Windows NT is superior. Of lesser importance, making /tmp a ram-based file-system could also offer significant speed implications for systems whose appliciations write a lot of files there (or who just dump a lot of stuff to the console). ------------------------------------------------------------ Allan Noordvyk, Software Artisan ALI Technologies, Richmond, BC, Canada ------------------------------------------------------------ Veni. Vidi. Visa. -- "I came. I saw. I charged it." ------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yoda@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Marc Guenther) Subject: Re: BSD 4.4, what will that mean? Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Message-ID: <Cp83t2.GLH@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 10:58:13 GMT References: <1994May2.174947.17900@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen In article <1994May2.174947.17900@cc.usu.edu> slxn8@cc.usu.edu writes: > I have been reading the rumors lately about BSD 4.4 being a part of NS 3.2. > Being a Nextstep "guts" neophyte, can someone explain what this will mean if it > does come to pass? This would mean for example, that we would get all the nice things in 4.4, for example kerberos. Now, this would be really great, it would improve security to a great extend. But dont dream about it, Next will not do it !! -- Marc Guenther ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Centrum fuer Informations | Wagmuellerstr. 23 | Phone: +49 89 211 0670 und Sprachverarbeitung | 80538 M"unchen | Fax: +49 89 211 0674 University of Munich | Germany | yoda@cis.uni-muenchen.de -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? In-Reply-To: tyf@blackslab.hip.berkeley.edu's message of 2 May 1994 08:42:09 GMT To: tyf@blackslab.hip.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May2082859@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 12:28:59 GMT In article <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> tyf@blackslab.hip.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) writes: In article <CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: + In article <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: + Thomas Engel writes + > Rumor---Rumor + > + > NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. + > Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. + > NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) + > Some NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail will + > work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. + > + > Anyway..just a rumor. + + I heard all rumours mentioned above except "will have BSD 4.4". + Has anyone more information about this? It would be the most interesting + part of 3.3. Wait .. I think BSD 4.4 is not officially released yet. Besides, NeXT uses Mach, not BSD. Unless they rewrite Mach to be BSD 4.4 compliant .. but that would be a lot of work .. Nope on both counts. BSD 4.4 is released and NeXT does use BSD 4.3. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? In-Reply-To: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk's message of 02 May 1994 09:48:03 GMT Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May2083050@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <Cowu4w.G4@shinto.nbg.sub.org> <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> <ROBERT.94May2104803@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 12:30:50 GMT In article <ROBERT.94May2104803@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >>>>> "Carl" == Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> writes: Carl> In article <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Carl> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: Thomas Engel Carl> writes >> Rumor---Rumor >> >> NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. >> NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) Some >> NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail >> will work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. >> >> Anyway..just a rumor. What's it going to cost? with 4.4 AND the new foundation kit stuff? With NeXT's main market being FS.. Have they expressed _demand_ for BSD4.4? Zilch. With the licenses which NeXT already has BSD 4.4 costs nothing. Carl Edman
From: swiet@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where can I find decompression utils? (LHA, ZIP) Date: 03 May 1994 07:20:00 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, The Johns Hopkins University Message-ID: <SWIET.94May3032003@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu> References: <9405021757.AA22900@alleg.EDU> <Cp6yDJ.IxA@cunews.carleton.ca> In-reply-to: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca's message of Mon, 2 May 1994 20:03:19 GMT In article <Cp6yDJ.IxA@cunews.carleton.ca> csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: If you mean .lzh (instead of .lha), yes it can do them. This does not support more recent versions of lha.exe, but it works for the older lharc archives. It does not work with files created with LHA 2.55, and I don't think [Opener.app] works with LHA 2.13, either (but I may be wrong...) Opener will work with lha -- it just doesn't come with it...yet. Just have to get & build lha, then add it to the Opener "archive table." You can find lha on the amiga archive sites, but I don't know if that's where the official up-to-date distribution is.
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 3 May 1994 10:30:54 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2q594u$sv8@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <1994May2.162640.13063@narwal.ali.bc.ca> In article <1994May2.162640.13063@narwal.ali.bc.ca> allan@narwal.ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) writes: > NeXTSTEP's lack of a journaled file >system is a major cause of concern for us and is one thing in which >Windows NT is superior. If you want NeXT to provide a journaled file system, tell them! The hooks have been in the product since NS 2.0--there's no reason they couldn't give you this TODAY. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: shawn@monitor.com Subject: NeXT and Shiva LanRovers????? Message-ID: <Cp2yzE.2so@monitor.com> Keywords: Next, Shiva, LanRover, Modem Sender: shawn@monitor.com (Shawn Broderick) Organization: Monitor Company / IE Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 16:26:01 GMT we have a Shiva LanRover with eight modems on it that we use for Novell, WFW, and Macintosh remote connections. i'm curious to know if anyone has experience getting it to work with NeXT's. on the DOS/Mac side it can provide the equivalent of SLIP, but i'm only interested in being able to access the local LanRover (it's about 20 feet from my office) to use it for dial-out from my desk to BBS's and whatnot. the LanRover can talk TCP/IP. any info/experience? shawn -- Shawn Broderick Monitor Company / Information Engineering shawn@monitor.com (617) 252-2090 Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips -- Shawn Broderick Monitor Company / Information Engineering shawn@monitor.com (617) 252-2090
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eang95@castle.ed.ac.uk (J R Small) Subject: terminal emulators Message-ID: <Cp8BvC.BD4@festival.ed.ac.uk> Sender: news@festival.ed.ac.uk (remote news read deamon) Organization: Edinburgh University Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 13:52:22 GMT Dear All, I am looking for an alternative terminal emulator (other than Terminal) which can emulate a tektronic type terminal. This is to run on my NeXTStation. Is there one available and can I upload it from an ftp site? Reply either by email (eang95@castle.ed.ac.uk) or to this group. Thanks in advance, Rankin Small.
From: me@ienext.unl.edu (Dan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Reading bin hex? Date: 3 May 1994 14:36:47 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <2q5nhv$1e0@crcnis1.unl.edu> A Mac user just sent me some email that says it has to be decoded using bin hex (sigh). Can anyone tell me what I need to do on my NeXT? Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Scott me@ienext.unl.edu NeXT mail welcome --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: starksm@genesis.mcs.com (Scott M. Stark) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Archie update Date: 3 May 1994 13:28:59 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <2q5jis$osk@News1.mcs.com> Keywords: Archie, Prospero Archie 2.12, May 2 1994 binary update on cs.orst.edu in pub/next/submissions, usually moved to pub/next/binaries/wide-area-info: Archie_212.tar.gz size: 450620 bytes sum: 18130 441 This version fixes: 1. Crashes during addition of FTP hosts. 2. Crashes if double clicked on button in info panel. 3. Couple other problems I found. Adds: 1. FTP transfer directory to preferences. 2. Min size constraint on session windows. Scott starksm@genesis.mcs.com -- Scott Stark Stark Internation Software 4950 N. Marine Dr. #102 Chicago, IL 60640 starksm@genesis.mcs.com (NeXT mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <MATTHEW.94May3164837@dyson.dp.ox.ac.uk> From: matthew@dyson.dp.ox.ac.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: 03 May 1994 15:48:37 GMT References: <Cowu4w.G4@shinto.nbg.sub.org> <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org><CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> Organization: Dyson Perrins Laboratory (Organic Chemistry), Oxford University In-reply-to: cedman@princeton.edu's message of Mon, 2 May 1994 02:08:11 GMT >>>>> "Carl" == Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> writes: Carl> Yes, that would be a great advance. If all of the above was Carl> true, I'd consider 3.3 the most significant upgrade since 2.0 at Carl> least. Unfortunately I don't have any firm information on that. Carl> However, NeXT _has_ announced that zsh 2.4 will be part of NS Carl> 3.3 and has at least expressed interested in a few other free Carl> programs such as Emacs for NeXTstep. Yeah! So what are the candidates for good freeware to distribute with NeXTSTEP? We've already got gcc, TeX, emacs (or Emacs.app --- even better). I'd be quite happy to see the Gnu fileutils, textutils, shellutils and diffutils replace the BSD 4.3 versions --- if only because they get bugfixes etc. very promptly. I never understood why NeXT has shipped both BSD tar and gnutar, since gnutar has a superset of BSD tar's capabilities. Then there are Larry Walls' patch and perl --- these two should be part of every standard unix distribution. Um, what else. A better cron daemon would be good --- one that supported individual crontabs and that will mail back any output from processes it runs, or any error messages, instead of silently doing nothing like the current version. Carl> Personally, I can only congratulate them on distributing some of Carl> the most popular free software along with the operating. As the Carl> OS CDs are almost empty in any case, this involves virtually no Carl> cost to NeXT and very many NS users who aren't as plugged into Carl> the net as we are will benefit greatly. My thoughts entirely. Certainly one of NS's biggest faults is how out of date so much of it's standard unix stuff is. I know that the unix command line is not central to NeXT's mission, and that they don't really want to spend too much of their limited resources on licking it into shape. So why not simply grab the best available versions off the net and supply them as is? I know there's an argument against this to do that semi-mythical service called "support" --- but the best support for any software I have ever seen is that which is provided free everyday on the net. Matthew -- Matthew Seaman <Matthew.Seaman@dyson.ox.ac.uk> Non-NeXT mail <matthew@viriconium.ocms.ox.ac.uk> NeXT mail Inorganic Chemistry Laboratory, S. Parks Rd., Oxford, OX1 3QR, England Tel +44 (0)865 272640 Fax +44 (0)865 272690
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Reading bin hex? Message-ID: <1994May3.174849.1714@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <2q5nhv$1e0@crcnis1.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 17:48:49 GMT In article <2q5nhv$1e0@crcnis1.unl.edu> me@ienext.unl.edu writes: >A Mac user just sent me some email that says it has to be decoded using >bin hex (sigh). Can anyone tell me what I need to do on my NeXT? Can't help you, but maybe you'd like to contact the author of this post: In article <deluxe-300494173020@17.220.88.110> deluxe@well.sf.ca.us (Don Hurter) writes: > >NeXTMail, NewsGrazer, et al. are prime examples of NeXTSTEP's advantages, >particularly with the level of integration that allows almost seemless >cutting, pasting, converting, decoding, etc. that NS Services provide. How >many picture or sound-oriented newsgroups have you visited where every >other post is someone wondering how to view/listen to Gifs, binhexed files, ^^^^^^^^ >SNDs and other alien bundles of bits that NeXTSTEP simply recognizes and >presents without any effort? :-> Dave Griffiths
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 03 May 1994 18:03:25 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May3190325@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <Cowu4w.G4@shinto.nbg.sub.org> <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org><CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> <MATTHEW.94May3164837@dyson.dp.ox.ac.uk> To: matthew@dyson.dp.ox.ac.uk (Matthew Seaman) In-reply-to: matthew@dyson.dp.ox.ac.uk's message of 03 May 1994 15:48:37 GMT <matthew@dyson.dp.ox.ac.uk> writes: >>>>> "Carl" == Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> writes: Carl>Yes, that would be a great advance. If all of the above was Carl>true, I'd consider 3.3 the most significant upgrade since 2.0 at Carl>least. Unfortunately I don't have any firm information on that. Carl>However, NeXT _has_ announced that zsh 2.4 will be part of NS Carl>3.3 and has at least expressed interested in a few other free Carl>programs such as Emacs for NeXTstep. >Yeah! So what are the candidates for good freeware to distribute with >NeXTSTEP? We've already got gcc, TeX, emacs (or Emacs.app --- even >better). I'd be quite happy to see the Gnu fileutils, textutils, >shellutils and diffutils replace the BSD 4.3 versions --- if only >because they get bugfixes etc. very promptly. I never understood why >NeXT has shipped both BSD tar and gnutar, since gnutar has a superset >of BSD tar's capabilities. Don't stop there. Here's my list.. INN (optional package) CNEWS+NNTP (optional package) TRN (optional package) TIN (optional package) ELM (optional package) SMAIL (a *******) must. Lose sendmail..... SMAIL supports netinfo aliasing. PINE (MIME multipart support) YTALK PROCMAIL SLIP (PNI) Does anybody actually use a NeXT as a firewall? What software do you run on it? Perhaps I should just go ahead and cut some CD's... :-) >Then there are Larry Walls' patch and perl --- these two should be >part of every standard unix distribution. There should be a package that I put together for Perl in MAB form on cs.orst.edu. Interestingly enough other OS vendors have shipped perl and I've heard that Perl is in use in FS institutions as a data translation/conversion tool. >Um, what else. A better cron daemon would be good --- one that >supported individual crontabs and that will mail back any output from >processes it runs, or any error messages, instead of silently doing >nothing like the current version. Running Vixie cron3.0 with no problems here. -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 3 May 1994 14:46:29 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2q6665$r65@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: NEXTSTEP World Wide Web Product Information Server online NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server online comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers Much of this information is also available using the World Wide Web, <http://digifix.digifix.com/index.html> Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep WWW Information Server online --------------------------------------------------------- A product directory built around the World Wide Web system, this will allow full multimedia announcements by NEXTSTEP developers, as well as the ability to browse the available products for NEXTSTEP. This service is online now, and can be reached at http://digifix.digifix.com/ it can be reached using OmniWeb (available from ftp.omnigroup.com) or Mosaic. The entries are coming in quite quickly, and I'll be moving the entire NEXTSTEP Third Party Catalog contents in as soon as they become available. NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server online --------------------------------------------------------- The NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server is now available for product literature and pricing from NEXTSTEP developers. You can get information on using the mail server at ns-products@digifix.com Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. 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Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. 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If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: tab stops in HeaderViewer Message-ID: <1994May3.191827.22594@pcp.ca> Keywords: HeaderViewer, tab Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Tue, 3 May 94 19:18:27 GMT Hello there: Is there a way to set the tab stops for HeaderViewer when it displays the h files? I create them using a tab stop of 4 and HeaderViewer then displays them with a tab stop of 8, which then messes up all the indentation levels. Please e-mail me and I'll summarize. Thanks in advance, Alex alex@oolesson.com Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 17:39:14 GMT In article <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> tyf@blackslab.hip.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) writes: > In article <CEDMAN.94May1220813@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu > (Carl Edman) writes: > + In article <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus > Wenzel) writes: > + Thomas Engel writes > + > Rumor---Rumor > + > > + > NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. > + > Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. > + > NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) > + > Some NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail > will > + > work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. > + > > + > Anyway..just a rumor. > + > + I heard all rumours mentioned above except "will have BSD 4.4". > + Has anyone more information about this? It would be the most interesting > + part of 3.3. > > Wait .. I think BSD 4.4 is not officially released yet. > Besides, NeXT uses Mach, not BSD. Unless they rewrite Mach to be > BSD 4.4 compliant .. but that would be a lot of work .. I agree that an OS overhaul would be very attractive to most of us. However, what NeXT call Mach is a very old version of BSD 4.3 with their own, Mach-based, kernel underneath. Upgrading would be simpler than you think. However, all of the appkit functions that call BSD functions would need to be looked over and tested, which represents quite a lot of work, even if the changes are minimal. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BSD 4.4, what will that mean? Date: 3 May 1994 20:03:53 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2q6an9$ps8@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <1994May2.174947.17900@cc.usu.edu> <Cp83t2.GLH@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> In article <Cp83t2.GLH@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> yoda@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Marc Guenther) writes: >This would mean for example, that we would get all the nice things in >4.4, for example kerberos. Now, this would be really great, it >would improve security to a great extend. Some NeXT users have had Kerberos since at least NS 2.1 days. Transarc includes a version with their AFS product. So far, *everything* you whiners have been asking about could be provided RIGHT NOW with the current system. Let up on 4.4, OK? -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hornkvjm@merlin.whitman.edu (John Hornkvist) Subject: Non-PostScript printers and NS Message-ID: <HORNKVJM.94May3143311@merlin.whitman.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Whitman College Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 21:33:10 GMT I have a HP DeskJet 500C, and to my dismay I read that NS only has support for PostScript printers. Is there ANY work around for this? (I can't afford a new printer right now, and I will not have much use for NS without one...) Thanks! :>John
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 03 May 1994 20:57:40 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May3215740@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> To: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) In-reply-to: paul@seer.demon.co.uk's message of Tue, 3 May 1994 17:39:14 GMT <paul@seer.demon.co.uk> writes: >However, all of the appkit functions that call BSD functions would need to >be looked over and tested, which represents quite a lot of work, even if >the changes are minimal. There's not a great deal of AppKit code that calls BSD functions. All that I can think of off hand (That's your queue EPS) is the stuff that needs to talk to netinfo if it is running. ie. pwd.h grp.h tcp -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: Reading bin hex? Message-ID: <Cp94q9.EL2@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2q5nhv$1e0@crcnis1.unl.edu> Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 00:15:44 GMT Dan Scott (me@ienext.unl.edu) wrote: : A Mac user just sent me some email that says it has to be decoded using : bin hex (sigh). Can anyone tell me what I need to do on my NeXT? Get Opener.app from ftp.cs.orst.edu... It decompresses many different kinds of formats... It's in /pub/next/binaries/util or /pub/next/binaries/tools, as I recall... --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: Non-PostScript printers and NS Message-ID: <Cp94uF.Ez4@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <HORNKVJM.94May3143311@merlin.whitman.edu> Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 00:18:14 GMT John Hornkvist (hornkvjm@merlin.whitman.edu) wrote: : I have a HP DeskJet 500C, and to my dismay I read that NS only has : support for PostScript printers. Is there ANY work around for this? : (I can't afford a new printer right now, and I will not have much use : for NS without one...) Dots is probably the solution for you. Dots is a non-postscript printer driver for NeXT systems... Send to info@alembic.com to get info/pricing (educ. prices available) --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wright@spock.cen.encompass.com (Jeff Wright) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May3.181143.20664@glv.cen.encompass.com> Sender: usenet@glv.cen.encompass.com Organization: Encompass References: <2pvt4q$16h@marsu.tynet.sub.org> Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 18:11:43 GMT > NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. > Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. Perhaps this is BSD 4.4 networking? I don't think it's the BSD kernel, and BSD 4.4 commands doesn't make a lot of sense either. Or maybe it's just a wild rumor... --Jeff Wright
From: eagle@catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel C. L'Hommedieu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Reading bin hex? Date: 4 May 1994 04:30:15 GMT Organization: North Carolina State University Message-ID: <2q78cn$9l0@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <2q5nhv$1e0@crcnis1.unl.edu> <Cp94q9.EL2@cunews.carleton.ca> csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: >Get Opener.app from ftp.cs.orst.edu... It decompresses many different >kinds of formats... That's FAT binary. Any ideas for those of us with NextStep 2.1? Really, I could use a BinHex reader (I have a friend with a Mac, and he forgets and mails me BinHex stuff all the time)... Daniel -- Daniel "eagle" L'Hommedieu Daniel_LHommedieu@nest.catt.ncsu.edu eagle@nest.catt.ncsu.edu (NeXT Mail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Where can I find decompression utils? (LHA, ZIP) Message-ID: <1994May3.170400.29591@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <9405021757.AA22900@alleg.EDU> Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 17:04:00 GMT In article <9405021757.AA22900@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: * The first place I would look would be Opener.app. * I know that it will work for .zip files... I am not sure * about .lha, but I'd assume it would work for those as well. Funny, I was about to ask the same questions. I have a bunch of stuff that came on PC disks from Korea. The files have an LZH extension. According to the archive headers, the compression method is -lh4- which the xlharc which comes with Opener doesn't know about. Anybody have any Great Ideas where to look next? Thanks, ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: Reading bin hex? Message-ID: <Cp9IHH.I8w@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2q5nhv$1e0@crcnis1.unl.edu> <Cp94q9.EL2@cunews.carleton.ca> <2q78cn$9l0@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 05:12:53 GMT Daniel C. L'Hommedieu (eagle@catt.ncsu.edu) wrote: : csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: : >Get Opener.app from ftp.cs.orst.edu... It decompresses many different : >kinds of formats... : That's FAT binary. Any ideas for those of us with NextStep 2.1? : Really, I could use a BinHex reader (I have a friend with a Mac, and he : forgets and mails me BinHex stuff all the time)... Well, I had Opener.app long before FAT binaries... Look for old versions of Opener.app left lying about the net. You might find them on sonata.cc.purdue.edu, since they have directories for old stuff still around (going back to <1.0 beta days for NeXTSTEP!!). --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kay@ecrc.de (Kay Schulz) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <Cp9JqJ.I2H@ecrc.de> Sender: news@ecrc.de Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre GmbH. References: <ROBERT.94May3190325@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 05:39:54 GMT In article 94May3190325@steffi.demon.co.uk, robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: ><matthew@dyson.dp.ox.ac.uk> writes: > >>>>>> "Carl" == Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> writes: >Carl>Yes, that would be a great advance. If all of the above was >Carl>true, I'd consider 3.3 the most significant upgrade since 2.0 at >Carl>least. Unfortunately I don't have any firm information on that. >Carl>However, NeXT _has_ announced that zsh 2.4 will be part of NS >Carl>3.3 and has at least expressed interested in a few other free >Carl>programs such as Emacs for NeXTstep. > >>Yeah! So what are the candidates for good freeware to distribute with >>NeXTSTEP? We've already got gcc, TeX, emacs (or Emacs.app --- even >>better). I'd be quite happy to see the Gnu fileutils, textutils, >>shellutils and diffutils replace the BSD 4.3 versions --- if only >>because they get bugfixes etc. very promptly. I never understood why >>NeXT has shipped both BSD tar and gnutar, since gnutar has a superset >>of BSD tar's capabilities. > >Don't stop there. Here's my list.. > >INN (optional package) >CNEWS+NNTP (optional package) One of both >TRN (optional package) >TIN (optional package) One of both >ELM (optional package) Never needed it >SMAIL (a *******) must. Lose sendmail..... SMAIL supports netinfo aliasing. Yeah... >PINE (MIME multipart support) Pine or elm if one... But 3.3 will have Mime so no need >YTALK yep >PROCMAIL Necessary >SLIP (PNI) A MUST > >Does anybody actually use a NeXT as a firewall? >What software do you run on it? Me not. But I would like if they would ship a freeware CD with it probably. HP does it with the interworks CD. ALthough it is sometimes old, it works and to get the patches is less than to install a new e.g. emacs > >Perhaps I should just go ahead and cut some CD's... :-) > DO it >>Then there are Larry Walls' patch and perl --- these two should be >>part of every standard unix distribution. > sig ------------------------------------------- Kay Schulz, kay@ecrc.de European Computer-Industry Research Centre Arabellastr. 17, 81925 Muenchen, GERMANY Tel: 089/92699-186
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Non-PostScript printers and NS Date: 4 May 1994 06:25:50 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2q7f5e$i89@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <HORNKVJM.94May3143311@merlin.whitman.edu> <Cp94uF.Ez4@cunews.carleton.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: >John Hornkvist (hornkvjm@merlin.whitman.edu) wrote: >: I have a HP DeskJet 500C, and to my dismay I read that NS only has >: support for PostScript printers. Is there ANY work around for this? >: (I can't afford a new printer right now, and I will not have much use >: for NS without one...) >Dots is probably the solution for you. Dots is a non-postscript printer >driver for NeXT systems... Or get eXTRAPRINT from GS-Corp., which also comes with a PostScript license, so you won't be violating Adobe's license agreement when you use it. Also has some additional capabilities that hadn't been duplicated in Dots last time I checked. (Mainly better dithering and color matching). BTW I wrote it, so I am not entirely unbiased. Contact: info@goldleaf.com Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 09:52:53 GMT In article <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk writes: > >I agree that an OS overhaul would be very attractive to most of us. >However, what NeXT call Mach is a very old version of BSD 4.3 with their >own, Mach-based, kernel underneath. Upgrading would be simpler than you >think. When people say that BSD is "above" Mach, you've got to realize that you're into marketing-speak here. :) With the old version of Mach that NeXT use, the BSD kernel and Mach itself are all lumped together in a monolithic kernel. I don't know how much the kernel changed between 4.3 and 4.4, but incorporating the changes would be harder than you think. I just can't see NeXT having the time for this sort of work. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: daf@wts.com (David A. Fox) Subject: Help! Need to boot DOS Message-ID: <1994May02.091359.18759@wts.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 1994 09:13:59 EDT Organization: Wegmans Electronic Banking Services The NextStep boot manager only boots Next, which doesn't bother me but does bother a client of mine. He needs to be able to boot DOS also. How can I do this WITHOUT using a DOS boot floppy? Thanks in advance, Dave Fox ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Senior Software Engineer Remember.... Wegmans They don't understand what I do so they daf@wts.com refuse to agree with it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 10:12:22 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <chlup6S00iV7M22XF5@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-May-94 Re: NextStep 3.3 When? by Dave Griffiths@prim.demo > In article <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk writes: > >I agree that an OS overhaul would be very attractive to most of us. > >However, what NeXT call Mach is a very old version of BSD 4.3 with their > >own, Mach-based, kernel underneath. Upgrading would be simpler than you > >think. > > When people say that BSD is "above" Mach, you've got to realize that you're > into marketing-speak here. :) With the old version of Mach that NeXT use, > the BSD kernel and Mach itself are all lumped together in a monolithic > kernel. I don't know how much the kernel changed between 4.3 and 4.4, but > incorporating the changes would be harder than you think. People, please let's not confuse published external calls with the actual code used to build the kernel. NeXT uses version 2.5 of the Mach kernel, which was developed by Avadis Tevanian (avie) at CMU. The primary differences between 2.5 and the newest version of Mach is the lack of external pagers and the monolithic design. The Mach kernel is a much cleaner and smaller design than a traditional BSD kernel. Saying the "BSD kernel and Mach itself are all lumped together" is not right. What is available with NeXT's Mach kernel are the traditional BSD system calls that a stock BSD 4.3 kernel provides for compatibility purposes. These calls conceptually reside "on top of" the underlying Mach kernel. The code used to implement these system calls is different between Mach and BSD. Implementing the additional system calls for BSD 4.4 is probably not all that difficult. With regard to Mach 2.5 being old, well, it is a much more modern kernel with a cleaner design than most other computer vendors provide. The Mach 3.x kernel (which is a true microkernel design) is suffering from "creeping featuritis", and is bloating well past the monolithic version, at least according to some friends who used to work for the Mach Project here at CMU. The Mach 3.x kernel is also typically slower than the Mach 2.5 kernel. Having NeXT upgrade to Mach 3.x would probably reduce performance, not improve it. A reasonable place to get more information is to read the OperatingSystem documentation target under Digital Librarian. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: Re: Music Pallettes for Diagram? Message-ID: <1994May4.032953.2498@stone.com> Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp References: <Cp6IAu.MA0@cvbnet.CV.COM> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 03:29:53 GMT In article <Cp6IAu.MA0@cvbnet.CV.COM> skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) writes: > hi! > I was wondering if there were any public-domain Diagram pallettes out > there for doing simple musical notation (e.g. note and rest symbols, > etc.)? > > Thanks for any info. > I can't answer that, but I can recommend the Adobe font "Sonata" which is a musical notation font. The swell folks at Trilithon probably can get it for you. (info@trilithon.com) andrew > Sandeep Kochhar > Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com > 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 > Bedford, MA 01730-1486 fax: (617) 275-5166 > -- ||<<->>||<<==>>|S<<++>>|T<<?>O<+>>N|<<-->>E|<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone | (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com | Have Modem Why Travel !! ||<<->>|D<<==>>|E<<++>>|S<<?>|<+>>G|<<-->>N|<<==>>!|<<+>>||
From: srs1002@hermes.cam.ac.uk (S.R. Samani) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 4 May 1994 13:36:06 GMT Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK Distribution: world Message-ID: <2q88c6$6r1@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk> In article <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk>, dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: |> In article <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk writes: |> > |> >I agree that an OS overhaul would be very attractive to most of us. |> >However, what NeXT call Mach is a very old version of BSD 4.3 with their |> >own, Mach-based, kernel underneath. Upgrading would be simpler than you |> >think. |> |> When people say that BSD is "above" Mach, you've got to realize that you're |> into marketing-speak here. :) With the old version of Mach that NeXT use, |> the BSD kernel and Mach itself are all lumped together in a monolithic |> kernel. I don't know how much the kernel changed between 4.3 and 4.4, but |> incorporating the changes would be harder than you think. |> |> I just can't see NeXT having the time for this sort of work. |> |> Dave Griffiths I think this may be the crucial point. Not whether or not NeXT plan to use BSD 4.4, but whether they intend to use Mach 3.0 (rather than 2.5 currently), which moves "most" BSD functionality out of the kernel, and into user space. Mach claims to be a "micro-kernel", so having the kludge of BSD inside the kernel, defeated the point. I think the Mach upgrade will be far more important in providing a flexible system, than any new changes 4.4 might bring. It's worth noting that IBM are going to use Mach 3.0 for their WorkPlace OS. Most of this info comes from an issue of Byte, a month ot two ago, where they said "NeXT are also looking at Mach 3.0". Sanj
From: Mike_Paquette@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 4 May 1994 00:56:29 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2q6rru$up@rosie.next.com> References: <2q594u$sv8@nic-nac.CSU.net> In article <2q594u$sv8@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > If you want NeXT to provide a journaled file system, tell them! > The hooks have been in the product since NS 2.0--there's no > reason they couldn't give you this TODAY. > > -=EPS=- Today? That might be a touch excessive. As I write this, there are 6 hours and 6 minutes until midnight. I'm not really sure if I could design the correct file system tweaks, code them, integrate them, test them, get the appropriate feature change approvals, submit the new code to Release Control, get a testing release built for all architectures, develop a Software QA plan, run the testing release through Software QA on all supported platforms, get a release signed off by all the relevent managers, and put a patch on NeXTAnswers in the available amount of time. It might be fun to try, though... Mike_Paquette@NeXT.COM ------ I don't speak for NeXT Computer, and NeXT Computer doesn't speak for me. Any factual information presented in this message is my responsibility, and doesn't represent anything official from NeXT Computer. In fact, it was probably produced by line noise.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: tfletche@uglz.UVic.CA (Thomas Fletcher) Subject: NeXT X-Terminal Emulator Message-ID: <1994May4.154726.21457@sol.UVic.CA> Followup-To: tfletche@malahat.library.uvic.ca Summary: I need one! Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Date: Wed, 4 May 94 15:47:26 GMT Hello there, I ask your pardons in advance if I don't use the proper terminology. I am just familiarizing myself with a NeXT "mach" terminal which is running version 3 of the system software. I am working at setting up library user access to WWW using X-terms but am also looking for a text based browser. So essentially I have two questions: 1- Where can I find an X-terminal emulator for the NeXT station? 2- Does anyone out there have suggestions for WWW browsers, both textually and graphically interfaced. Thanks in Advance Thomas Fletcher ********************************************************************** tfletche@engr.uvic.ca tfletche@malahat.library.uvic.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May4.171655.462@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk> <2q88c6$6r1@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 17:16:55 GMT In article <2q88c6$6r1@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> srs1002@hermes.cam.ac.uk (S.R. Samani) writes: > >I think this may be the crucial point. Not whether or not NeXT plan to use BSD >4.4, but whether they intend to use Mach 3.0 (rather than 2.5 currently), which >moves "most" BSD functionality out of the kernel, and into user space. Mach >claims to be a "micro-kernel", so having the kludge of BSD inside the kernel, >defeated the point. I think the Mach upgrade will be far more important in >providing a flexible system, than any new changes 4.4 might bring. It's worth >noting that IBM are going to use Mach 3.0 for their WorkPlace OS. One problem with Mach 3.0 is it's not as fast as 2.5. You pay a price for having a user-level kernel server. I'm not sure NeXT would want NeXTStep to be any slower. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May4.173939.541@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <chlup6S00iV7M22XF5@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 17:39:39 GMT In article <chlup6S00iV7M22XF5@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > >The primary differences between 2.5 and the newest version of Mach is >the lack of external pagers and the monolithic design. The Mach kernel >is a much cleaner and smaller design than a traditional BSD kernel. >Saying the "BSD kernel and Mach itself are all lumped together" is not >right. In 2.5 it is. The dividing line is not as sharp as you'd like to think. >What is available with NeXT's Mach kernel are the traditional BSD system >calls that a stock BSD 4.3 kernel provides for compatibility purposes. >These calls conceptually reside "on top of" the underlying Mach kernel. >The code used to implement these system calls is different between Mach >and BSD. Implementing the additional system calls for BSD 4.4 is >probably not all that difficult. > [...] > >A reasonable place to get more information is to read the >OperatingSystem documentation target under Digital Librarian. Another good way to get information is to look at the actual code. :) Don't know about you Charles, but I've had to hack unix kernels in the past, and merging in the changes from 4.3 to 4.4 would not be that simple. Remember the 4.3 that Mach uses has been hacked around internally to reside "on top of" Mach, so you've got to diff the original 4.3/4.4 sources and then work out where to make the changes in your version. Anyone know what kernel changes there are between 4.3 and 4.4? Dave Griffiths
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Problems wih CDPlayer.app Date: 4 May 1994 13:41:34 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2q8moe$nc5@acme.gatech.edu> Well, at first I thought this might be related to the fact that I didn't have an audio cable between my cdrom and my PAS-basic..but that's not the case. For a while I couldn't get audio cd play out of any of my 3 OS's (Nextstep, Dos, OS/2). But, I've fixed it on OS/2 (it needed the audio cable), and Dos/windows (needed both the cable, and the scsi drivers weren't loading propperly)..but now i'm still having problems wiht Nextstep. I have a main user account (kzin) and some lesser project accounts (that aren't relevent), plus root. I have NS/Intel 3.2 on my Gateway 2000, 16mb ram, 400mb disk space for NS, an Adaptek 1542c, a Sony CDU561 cdrom, and a Pro-Audio 16 basic. Oh, and an internal modem that is using the MUX serial driver that was posted here. (The CD rom is id#2 on the scsi bus, and it's the only thing on the bus besides the host adaptor) For the whole time, I've had kzin set the public sound server option. Last night I figured maybe the problem was that root needed to set it as well. So I logged in as root, set the option. Then I inserted the audio cd.. the console showed it probing for the filesystem and mounting it.. and I got the cdplayer app..for the first time ever.. So I clicked to play the cd.. NO SOUND. I can hook up headphones to the drive and listen, but there's no sound comming out of my speakers (from the sound card). So I went back to my kzin account... put the cd in..and it started to probe for the cd , but after it mounted it as /cdaudio, it said: "cdaudio.util Cannot open CDPlayer" and ejected the cd. Same error I always get. I've tried having CDPlayer be setuid root, or not. I've tried a LOT of things..none of which seem to work. Also, even when root gets cdplayer.app to run, there is no such mount as /cdaudio (which is where the console informs me that it has placed the cd). So..what's the deal here? If it were a hardware problem, it wouldn't work on the other operating systems.. so it's got to be a software problem. Has anyone else gotten a setup like this to work propperly? (oh, in case it matters, I have deleted the "me" account, and its files). Thanks for any help, John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.getech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) Ascii Mail only (no Nextmail) (ex-kzin@ucscb.ucsc.edu) ========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.===============
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 14:45:49 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <0hlypRq00iUvI82EVx@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2q88c6$6r1@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-May-94 Re: NextStep 3.3 When? by S.R. Samani@hermes.cam.a > I think this may be the crucial point. Not whether or not NeXT plan to use > BSD 4.4, but whether they intend to use Mach 3.0 (rather than 2.5 > currently), which moves "most" BSD functionality out of the kernel, and > into user space. Well, that is pretty much how a microkernel design is intended to work, yes. But.... > Mach claims to be a "micro-kernel", Wrong. Mach 3.0 is a microkernel. No one who knows what they are talking about claims that Mach 2.5 is a microkernel. NeXT never said they run NEXTSTEP on top of a microkernel, at least as far as I know. > so having the kludge of BSD inside the kernel, defeated the point. You don't understand. There is no "kludge of BSD inside the kernel". Mach 2.5 is a monolithic kernel with a published external system call API equivalent to what a standard BSD 4.3 kernel provides so that standard BSD Unix programs could be recompiled without changing the source. It is true that the BSD emulation ("compatibility" may be a better term) layer in Mach 2.5 is conceptually located within the kernel, which is unlike how a microkernel such as Mach 3.0 would implement it. However, the actual implementation of the BSD interface does not use BSD kernel code. Mach is/was a complete redesign. > I think the Mach upgrade will be far more important in providing a flexible > system, than any new changes 4.4 might bring. Why? There is no visible difference to the user or the application programmer whether NeXT uses Mach 2.5 or Mach 3.0. There will be an impact on people writing kernel code, of course, but that is quite uncommon. > It's worth noting that IBM are going to use Mach 3.0 for their WorkPlace > OS. True enough. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: hvillega@roxette (Hugo Villegas Roji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IO error on pageout: error ?? Date: 4 May 1994 21:01:52 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <2q92g0$241i@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> HI! Today I had have receivced a lot of messages like this: IO error on pageout: error = 28. vnode_pageout: failed! In the console window, and my computer looks like is slepping. Anybody out there knows what this minds? Thank you in advance .................................................................. Hugo Ernesto Villegas Roji . Nexit Diseno Grafico . . Ricardo Margain Zozaya 210-5 / CP 66267 . Valle de Santa Engracia / Garza Garcia / Nuevo Leon / Mexico . tels. 52 (8) 335 19 14 / 335 19 15 / 335 08 87 / 356 30 53 fax . .................................................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: Re: Non-PostScript printers and NS Message-ID: <1994May4.205542.23713@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven References: <HORNKVJM.94May3143311@merlin.whitman.edu> <Cp94uF.Ez4@cunews.carleton.ca> <2q7f5e$i89@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 20:55:42 GMT marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) writes: >csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: >>John Hornkvist (hornkvjm@merlin.whitman.edu) wrote: >>: I have a HP DeskJet 500C, and to my dismay I read that NS only has >>: support for PostScript printers. Is there ANY work around for this? >>: (I can't afford a new printer right now, and I will not have much use >>: for NS without one...) Or use djf, which uses the printer as a dump bitmap printer and the NeXT will do the RIP stuff. Is maybe a little slow, but works like a charm. Willem -- W i l l e m v a n S c h a i k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philips TASS schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl
From: begonia@abstractsoft.com (Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP Mailing lists Date: 4 May 1994 23:28:41 GMT Organization: Abstract Software Message-ID: <2q9b39$qtq@news.u.washington.edu> I'm trying to compile a list of all NEXTSTEP related e-mail mailing lists. I know of two - the next-icon mailing list and nextprog. If you know of any other please send me e-mail about it including information on how to subscribe. Thank you! -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ``Another one of the flock following the herd.'' Abstract Software P.O. Box 25045 Seattle, WA 98125 206/361-5080 e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <CpAzBD.JHK@txnews.amd.com> Sender: news@txnews.amd.com Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <0hlypRq00iUvI82EVx@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 00:14:00 GMT In article <0hlypRq00iUvI82EVx@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >>Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-May-94 Re: NextStep 3.3 >>When? by S.R. Samani@hermes.cam.a >>> I think this may be the crucial point. Not whether or not NeXT plan to use >>> BSD 4.4, but whether they intend to use Mach 3.0 (rather than 2.5 >>> currently), which moves "most" BSD functionality out of the kernel, and >>> into user space. >> >>Well, that is pretty much how a microkernel design is intended to work, >>yes. But.... >> >>> Mach claims to be a "micro-kernel", >> >>Wrong. Mach 3.0 is a microkernel. No one who knows what they are >>talking about claims that Mach 2.5 is a microkernel. NeXT never said >>they run NEXTSTEP on top of a microkernel, at least as far as I know. >> >>> so having the kludge of BSD inside the kernel, defeated the point. >> >>You don't understand. There is no "kludge of BSD inside the kernel". >>Mach 2.5 is a monolithic kernel with a published external system call >>API equivalent to what a standard BSD 4.3 kernel provides so that >>standard BSD Unix programs could be recompiled without changing the >>source. >> >>It is true that the BSD emulation ("compatibility" may be a better term) >>layer in Mach 2.5 is conceptually located within the kernel, which is >>unlike how a microkernel such as Mach 3.0 would implement it. However, >>the actual implementation of the BSD interface does not use BSD kernel >>code. Mach is/was a complete redesign. >> >>> I think the Mach upgrade will be far more important in providing a flexible >>> system, than any new changes 4.4 might bring. >> >>Why? There is no visible difference to the user or the application >>programmer whether NeXT uses Mach 2.5 or Mach 3.0. There will be an >>impact on people writing kernel code, of course, but that is quite >>uncommon. >> >>> It's worth noting that IBM are going to use Mach 3.0 for their WorkPlace >>> OS. >> >>True enough. >> Ah, but the $40,000 question is... But will WorkPlace OS run in 4 meg of ram without swapping/paging to death ? -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CIM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: Reading bin hex? Message-ID: <May5.012850.52298@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 01:28:50 GMT References: <2q78cn$9l0@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada In article <2q78cn$9l0@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> eagle@catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel C. L'Hommedieu) writes: > csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: > >Get Opener.app from ftp.cs.orst.edu... It decompresses many different > >kinds of formats... > > That's FAT binary. Any ideas for those of us with NextStep 2.1? > Really, I could use a BinHex reader (I have a friend with a Mac, and he > forgets and mails me BinHex stuff all the time)... > mcvert, available from ftp.wustl.edu, in /systems/mac/umich.edu/util/unix -r--r--r-- 1 root archive 154041 Nov 20 11:37 mcvert2.15.shar I just happened to pick this up myself. I can send you the Makefile with settings for NS 3.1 (probably the same for 2.1). I used it to decode some FreeHand/Virtuoso files sent via e-mail from a Mac - worked like a charm (the syntax of the command is a bit bizarre, and it was a two-step process, but it worked perfectly). -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 21:17:36 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <shm4YkC00iV7A_YKhr@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994May4.173939.541@prim.demon.co.uk> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-May-94 Re: NextStep 3.3 When? by Dave Griffiths@prim.demo > >A reasonable place to get more information is to read the > >OperatingSystem documentation target under Digital Librarian. > > Another good way to get information is to look at the actual code. :) Don't > know about you Charles, but I've had to hack unix kernels in the past, and > merging in the changes from 4.3 to 4.4 would not be that simple. I have dealt with rebuilding and lightly massaging the source for the kernels for three systypes, but I don't claim expertise in the area. > Remember the 4.3 that Mach uses has been hacked around internally to reside > "on top of" Mach, so you've got to diff the original 4.3/4.4 sources and > then work out where to make the changes in your version. > > Anyone know what kernel changes there are between 4.3 and 4.4? Why does the internal implementation of 4.4 or 4.3 matter? All one should have to do (assuming that one does not need to create new functionality in the underlying Mach layer), is provide the new external system calls now available in 4.4 and modify any previously existing systems calls that have changed from 4.3 to 4.4. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IO error on pageout: error ?? Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 21:25:04 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <whm4fkG00iV7Q_YM4H@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2q92g0$241i@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-May-94 IO error on pageout: error ?? by Hugo Villegas Roji@roxet > HI! > > Today I had have receivced a lot of messages like this: > IO error on pageout: error = 28. > vnode_pageout: failed! > In the console window, and my computer looks like is slepping. > Anybody out there knows what this minds? Yes. You probably ran out of swap space and the computer wedged trying to swap out a process. You must reboot to fix this. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: ecarlino@falcon.depaul.edu (Eric J. Carlino) Subject: Help with Bus Logic 445S VLB SCSI controller / Installation Sender: news@hal.depaul.edu (News Admin) Organization: DePaul University, Chicago Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 02:09:49 GMT Message-ID: <1994May5.020949.27504@hal.depaul.edu> I have the following equipment: 486/33 VLB #9GXE level 11 Bus Logic 445S 16mb RAM 800mb SCSI drive SCSI CD ROM drive 3.5" floppy I am trying to install NS/FIP v3.2 I have the floppy attached to a seperate controller, have disabled the floppy on the Bus Logic, installed new ROMs on the Bus Logic, am using the latest drivers from NeXT. I still get this error when installing: Registering: PCKeyboard0 Registering: event0 Registering: kmDevice0 No SCSI controller or CD ROM drive found use sd%d, hd%d or fd%d root device? What does all this mean and how should I proceed. Anyone else using the Bus Logic? HELP!! Thanks, Eric -- \//// (O-O) _______oOO_(_)_OOo________
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BSD 4.4, what will that mean? Date: 5 May 1994 02:59:00 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2q9ndk$357@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2q6an9$ps8@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > yoda@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Marc Guenther) writes: > > This would mean for example, that we would get all the nice things > > in 4.4, for example kerberos. Now, this would be really great, it > > would improve security to a great extend. > > Some NeXT users have had Kerberos since at least NS 2.1 > days. Transarc includes a version with their AFS product. Item 1: There is no AFS for NS/Intel users. Item 2: My understanding is that Transarc has no plans to update AFS for NeXTstations any more. So there may not be any AFS for the next version of NeXTSTEP, and even if the current version works on NS-3.3, any future versions of AFS will not include NeXTSTEP. Item 3: The current version of AFS, with the current version of NeXTSTEP, still has a few bugs in it. > So far, *everything* you whiners have been asking about could > be provided RIGHT NOW with the current system. Let up on 4.4, > OK? I'm not pushing for BSD 4.4 here. I'm just wishing all NeXTSTEP users would have continued and up-to-date versions of AFS clients -- including continued bug fixes. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? In-Reply-To: Charles William Swiger's message of Wed, 4 May 1994 14:45:49 -0400 To: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May4221519@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <0hlypRq00iUvI82EVx@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 02:15:19 GMT In article <0hlypRq00iUvI82EVx@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: It is true that the BSD emulation ("compatibility" may be a better term) layer in Mach 2.5 is conceptually located within the kernel, which is unlike how a microkernel such as Mach 3.0 would implement it. However, the actual implementation of the BSD interface does not use BSD kernel code. Mach is/was a complete redesign. As is obvious from the fact that I'm allowed to post on this subject, I have not seen the source to /mach. However, I have at times disassembled it and compared some random selection of functions to stock BSD 4.3 source code. For almost comparison I'd be extremely surprised if the /mach code was not compiled straight from the BSD 4.3 source. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: manroe@manki.toppoint.de(Manfred Roehr) Subject: EPSON GT6000 Scan-soft wanted Message-ID: <CpBL10.Er@manki.toppoint.de> Sender: manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 08:02:59 GMT Hello, I m looking for a Scan-Software supporting an EPSON GT6000 scanner. But not too expensive! Manfred -- *************************************************************** * Manfred Roehr e-mail: manroe@toppoint.de * * Elisabethstrasse 88 fax: +49 431 733 483 * * 24143 Kiel phone: +49 431 73 45 39 * * Germany NeXT-mail welcome * ***************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cmaeda@cs.washington.edu (Chris Maeda) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May5.084233.11540@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle References: <0hlypRq00iUvI82EVx@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 5 May 94 08:42:33 GMT In article <0hlypRq00iUvI82EVx@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-May-94 Re: NextStep 3.3 >When? by S.R. Samani@hermes.cam.a > >It is true that the BSD emulation ("compatibility" may be a better term) >layer in Mach 2.5 is conceptually located within the kernel, which is >unlike how a microkernel such as Mach 3.0 would implement it. However, >the actual implementation of the BSD interface does not use BSD kernel >code. Mach is/was a complete redesign. Actually, BSD kernel code *is* used in Mach 2.x. Networking, file system, syscall handling code are almost unchanged. The BSD semantics are so tricky that the only way to get them right is to use BSD code. The BSD code is also kept pretty separated in a Mach kernel so it's not a hugely difficult project to rip out 4.3BSD and drop in 4.4BSD code. One of the byproducts of the Mach project is that we have good understanding of how to get BSD kernel code running in weird environments such as Mach 2.x kernels, Mach 3.0 OS servers, and Mach 3.0 user-level code libraries. On the Mach 2.x vs. Mach 3.0 thing: the Mach 3.0 kernel doesn't have code bloat problems. However, the OS emulation tends to execute more code than necessary and to have higher memory system overhead (due to context switches, poor cache locality, etc). [Check out Brad Chen's SOSP paper for a detailed explanation of this problem: anon ftp from mach.cs.cmu.edu in doc/published/os-memorysys.ps.] Despite these problems, vendors like IBM are adopting the technology because it provides flexible OS technology that lets you do stuff like run multiple OS's (ie Win32, OS/2, POSIX, Taligent) at the same time. As it is now, you have to make a tradeoff between flexibility and performance. Several research groups are investigating techniques that might not require one to make this flexibility/performance tradeoff. We'll let you know how it goes in the next year or two. Chris Maeda, CMU grad student in exile <cmaeda@cs.washington.edu>
From: schmo1@info.isbiel.ch (Olivier Schmid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Disc-doubler Date: 5 May 1994 11:23:17 GMT Organization: Biel School of Engineering, CH-2501 Biel, Switzerland Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qakv5$cn0@vega.info.isbiel.ch> I've got a question: Are there any programs à la stacker or double-space (DOS) to compress data in realtime on UNIX ? Or are there some problems to realize that on UNIX ? Thanks in advance Oli
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: List All Files with Full Path Name -- THANKS Message-ID: <CpBywr.ExE@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <9405020121.AA02120@alleg.EDU> Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 13:02:51 GMT In article <9405020121.AA02120@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: [...] > What I basically wanted was a way to do a fast find of things on my > account. But of course, I can't run a cron job in my situation as a > loseruser, so I added this line to the script I run at login time by > Workspace LaunchPaths: > > find ~ -print > ~/Library/Backups/AccountListing.txt > > > and added thess aliases to my .cshrc > > # to find an entry > alias fynd "cat $backups/AccountListing.txt | grep \!*" > (excuse the olde English... I'm writing a paper for my Brit > Lit class and this was the only thing I could think of) > > # to update the list > alias newlist 'find ~ -print > ~/Library/Backups/AccountListing.txt' > > so I can search for files by using > > > % fynd <string> I use a similar scheme for a Norton-NCD (eccchhh!)-like cd command, so I can say, e.g. go ib/news which will take me to /usr/local/lib/news. If you want it, cut-and-paste the following stuff. - In /etc/crontab: 30 2 * * * root /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/inittree - In ~/.cshrc: alias go 'cd `grep "\!*" /usr/lib/dirtree | head -1`' - In /usr/local/bin/inittree (which you must create): #! /bin/sh # Write all directories into a file OLDTREEFILE=/usr/lib/dirtree NEWTREEFILE=/tmp/dirtree find / -type d -xdev -print >$NEWTREEFILE 2>/dev/null mv $NEWTREEFILE $OLDTREEFILE One could also play tricks with find's path to make 'go' prefer certain directories, but my personal preference is simplicity, so... FWIW -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Still the same boring old signature... -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Still the same boring old signature...
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 10:22:55 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <UhmE4zW00WBOA1k1cJ@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994May5.084233.11540@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-May-94 Re: NextStep 3.3 When? by Chris Maeda@cs.washingto > On the Mach 2.x vs. Mach 3.0 thing: the Mach 3.0 kernel doesn't have > code bloat problems. However, the OS emulation tends to execute more > code than necessary and to have higher memory system overhead (due to > context switches, poor cache locality, etc). [Check out Brad Chen's > SOSP paper for a detailed explanation of this problem: anon ftp from > mach.cs.cmu.edu in doc/published/os-memorysys.ps.] How recently have you checked up on this? My comment was based on information from a grad student who was employed by the Speech project until about 2 months ago, and who had done work earlier with the Mach project. He still has/had pretty good connections with the people in those groups. "Code bloat" was his exact wording. <Shrug.> -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 05:49:40 PDT Message-ID: <1994May05.124940.1026@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Non-PostScript printers and NS References: <HORNKVJM.94May3143311@merlin.whitman.edu> From: hornkvjm@merlin.whitman.edu (John Hornkvist) > I have a HP DeskJet 500C, and to my dismay I read that > NS only has support for PostScript printers. Is there > ANY work around for this? (I can't afford a new printer > right now, and I will not have much use for NS without > one...) It's also pretty easy to implement GhostScript as an output filter. I do this and for the most part it works great. I have come across a few files that will Preview but not print, and have never been very happy with color image dithering, but these are relatively minor issues. NeXT screwed up the parallel port with 3.2 Intel, so you may want to avoid that for the time being. Avery Wang put some good stuff for doing this, using GhostScript as a filter on sonata.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/next/lore -rw-r--r-- 1 archiver 8252 May 13 05:57 HPDeskJet550C.tar.Z --- NeXTMail:peter.kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: Joshua_Bloch@transarc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Janus CD Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:43:01 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <YhmFE5uSMUYQ8EJwBV@transarc.com> References: <1994Apr20.204928.4472@trddsk.com> <2p7tev$8ip@news.iastate.edu> In-Reply-To: <2p7tev$8ip@news.iastate.edu> I haven't received disk two either.
From: zhao@crl.nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/intel/3.2 with ATT 2001 voice/fax modem ? Date: 5 May 94 10:37:09 Organization: Computing Research Lab Message-ID: <ZHAO.94May5103709@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu> Has anyone used the new ATT dataport 2001 voice/fax modem with your NextStep/intel 3.2 successfully ? If you have, is any special setup needed ? ZZ
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT LaserPrinting on 36" x 8.5" Paper? Date: 5 May 1994 18:22:48 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2qbdho$6jb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi. Has anybody out there figured out what I need to do to the Next Laserprinter .ppd file to get it to print on long (but 8.5" wide) paper? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory --- Everything I say via this computer belongs to MIT. --- ---> NeXTmail always welcome <---
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Further to my earlier question (re: swapdrives) Date: 05 May 1994 18:22:30 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May5192230@steffi.demon.co.uk> CC: next-admin@seer.demon.co.uk Has anybody any experience with putting a second drive into a SLAB (NSC)? The existing drive is a SEAGATE ST1480 419MEG. Can another drive go in with this one? Power supply issues? (cooling/airflow?) I've heard that some folk used Toshiba's like this. I only need a small capacity (105MB) drive in there. How difficult is it to installed given that there's probably no bracket? -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: williams@secorner.cen.encompass.com (Gary Williams) Subject: NeXT Emacs, edt.el Message-ID: <1994May5.142725.4490@glv.cen.encompass.com> Keywords: Emacs Sender: usenet@glv.cen.encompass.com Organization: Encompass Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 14:27:25 GMT I'm new to Emacs, and am trying to load the edt.el file. It complained at first that it couldn't load the keypad file, then when I got the keypad file to load, it didn't like something about it. Is anyone successfully using the edt.el file? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary D. Williams (919) 460-3283 113 Edinburgh S. williams@cen.encompass.com Suite 200 Cary, NC 27511 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: <bwhite@mr.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP Programmers in Mpls/St. Paul area? Date: Thu, 5 May 94 11:42:20 CST Organization: Minnesota Regional Network Message-ID: <55030.bwhite@mr.net> I've been told to compile a short list of contractors who will do NeXTSTEP programming in the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area. If you know of such a contractor (or you are one), please e-mail me a name and phone number. Thank You. Ben White PS. I know the distribution for this should be local, but this newsreader does not support distributions (sorry).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lem@ted.cs.depaul.edu (Lem Oandasan) Subject: Windows swap file is only temporary Sender: news@hal.depaul.edu (News Admin) Organization: Depaul University, Chicago Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 23:42:20 GMT Message-ID: <1994May5.234220.3778@hal.depaul.edu> Hi all, I apologize if the following is a FAQ or a nextanswer. Please direct me to them if this is the case. I am unable to create a permanent swap file in MS-Windows. I used DOS fdisk to set aside 35meg on my first hard drive and left the rest undefined. Then I installed NSI/3.2 and chose the option to leave the DOS partition alone and use the rest for NeXTSTEP. NS installed with no problem. Then using DOS fdisk again, I made the first partition(DOS) active. I then intalled Windows on the second drive and tried to create a permanent swap file. Windows comes back with a message that it couldn't create a permanent swap file because of the partition scheme that I used Did I miss something while installing NS? The system works pretty much as I anticipated except for the Windows swap file. I love NeXTSTEP but I have to do some work in Windows. BTW, before I had NS I was able to create a permanent swap file in Windows. And currently there is over 400meg free on the second drive. My system if it matters: NSI/3.2 486/66 VLB 2 IDE drives Adaptec 1542 card ATI GUP card 32M ram Any help or suggestions is appreciated. lem@ted.cs.depaul.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hornkvjm@megan.whitman.edu (John Hornkvist) Subject: Upgrade policies? Message-ID: <HORNKVJM.94May5203232@megan.whitman.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Whitman College Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 03:32:32 GMT How much do you normally have to pay for NS upgrades? (Or do you have to buy the whole thing again?) Thanks! :>John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmh@info.polymtl.ca (Jean-Marc Heneman) Subject: where is benatong? internet address Message-ID: <1994May6.010453.12253@vlsi.polymtl.ca> Keywords: ADDRESS BENATONG Sender: news@vlsi.polymtl.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 01:04:53 GMT I want to send a mail to BenaTong, the designer of PowerGuardian! What is the internet address? the old address is benatong@cypher.cmhnet.org, but it bounces! -- jmh jean-marc heneman = jmh@info.polymtl.ca if mail bounces, try jmh@aircanada.ca I prefer ASCII mail for now, but you can send me NextMail for attachment __ / /_/ __/ / /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <Cp8DA6.LI3@txnews.amd.com> Sender: news@txnews.amd.com Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <1994May2.162640.13063@narwal.ali.bc.ca> Distribution: USA Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 14:22:52 GMT In article <1994May2.162640.13063@narwal.ali.bc.ca> allan@narwal.ali.bc.ca (Allan Noordvyk) writes: >> >>Markus Wenzel writes: >>>Thomas Engel writes >>>> Rumor---Rumor >>>> >>>> NeXTSTEP 3.3 to be released end'94. >>>> Will have a BSD 4.4 UNIX. >>>> NeXTTIME will be a seperate product (not included with 3.3) >>>> Some NeXT.apps will get improved after several years now :-) NeXTMail will >>>> work with MIME, more online-Help, etc. >>>> >>>> Anyway..just a rumor. >>> >>>I heard all rumours mentioned above except "will have BSD 4.4". >>>Has anyone more information about this? It would be the most interesting >>>part of 3.3. >>> >> >>I agree. If I'm not mistaken BSD 4.4 has support for both journaled >>and ram-based file systems. NeXTSTEP's lack of a journaled file >>system is a major cause of concern for us and is one thing in which >>Windows NT is superior. >> >>Of lesser importance, making /tmp a ram-based file-system could also offer >>significant speed implications for systems whose appliciations write >>a lot of files there (or who just dump a lot of stuff to the console). >> Journaled file system support !?!?!? Now you've got my attention! Where does one find all the documentation on the new features of BSD4.4 ? -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CIM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NeXT Emacs, edt.el In-Reply-To: williams@secorner.cen.encompass.com's message of Thu, 5 May 1994 14:27:25 GMT To: williams@secorner.cen.encompass.com (Gary Williams) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May5172236@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1994May5.142725.4490@glv.cen.encompass.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 21:22:36 GMT In article <1994May5.142725.4490@glv.cen.encompass.com> williams@secorner.cen.encompass.com (Gary Williams) writes: I'm new to Emacs, and am trying to load the edt.el file. It complained at first that it couldn't load the keypad file, then when I got the keypad file to load, it didn't like something about it. Is anyone successfully using the edt.el file? You don't need to load the edt.el file. With Emacs 4.0 as distributed just type M-x edt-emulation-on (Emacs handles the loading of the appropriate files automatically) and you should be edt heaven. To always start up in edt mode, just add this line to your ~/.emacs: (edt-emulation-on) Have you tried this and still had problems ? Carl Edman
From: lwallyci@onramp.net (Leslie Connally) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT printer on a Mac? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 6 May 1994 06:01:24 GMT Organization: On-Ramp Technologies, Inc. Message-ID: <lwallyci-060594005937@ramp02.onramp.net> I'm a Mac person, and really don't know NeXT, but want to ask if it is possible to make a NeXT/canon 11x17 color printer work on a Mac 030 or 040. I think it is a question of system-extension-printer driver availability and serial or parallel connection ("Power Print" is a serial to parallel converter with drivers) I'm calling them tomorrow. Please help if you can. Sorry if i'm bothering yall here (there is one available here low $ auction) Leslie Connally lwallyci@onramp.net 6 may 94
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iok@theseas.ntua.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Subject: another small fax send program Message-ID: <CpDtnt.5K7@theseas.ntua.gr> Summary: questions and announce Keywords: fax,zyxel,small Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 13:01:53 GMT Hello out there. I hope that this note gets its way to the net. As we all know in the next community a small and open to the public program that can receive fax/voice is am. Lately i show the mgetty+sendfax package by Gert Doering(I am sorry if the name is incorrect) and decided to patchit/strip it in order to make it work with a next station. Well it seems to be workingbut for the daa it sends out. I am hasppy to give the code to anyone who will try to see what is wrong with it. Actually i will play a little bit more myself and then post it. My questions taht i would appreciate to have them answered are: 1) the DLE and DC2 characters in the mgetty and the am program are different. i take it that the dle and etx codes in the ascii man page are the correct. I am right, am I not ? 2) the zyxel modem(the one i am testing the program with) has a 5.05 version and is the u1496E model. should one tell to this particular type of modem +FBOR=0 or 1, especially if one only wants to send g3 files ? 3) is it ok that the modem insists on sendigng many cr and lf along with different messages like OK, CONNECT,... ? 4) In any case if the program works it will be a small(30Kbytes) code that faxes many g3 pages. Now I wonder how does next creates the g3 files out of a ps docdoes anyone know of a filter that will do the job ? do you think that one should invoke the NX-image represenatin in order to do the translation ? I appreciate your time as well as any comments. Ioannis .
From: srs1002@hermes.cam.ac.uk (S.R. Samani) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 6 May 1994 14:13:34 GMT Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qdjae$40a@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <0hlypRq00iUvI82EVx@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <0hlypRq00iUvI82EVx@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: |> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-May-94 Re: NextStep 3.3 |> When? by S.R. Samani@hermes.cam.ac.uk |> > Mach claims to be a "micro-kernel", |> |> Wrong. Mach 3.0 is a microkernel. No one who knows what they are |> talking about claims that Mach 2.5 is a microkernel. NeXT never said |> they run NEXTSTEP on top of a microkernel, at least as far as I know. |> Yes, I agree with that. What I meant is that Mach 2.5 claimed to be a micro-kernel as well, when it quite clearly wasn't. I fully appreciate that 3.0 is a micro-kernel, and I think that's a good move. |> > so having the kludge of BSD inside the kernel, defeated the point. |> |> You don't understand. There is no "kludge of BSD inside the kernel". |> Mach 2.5 is a monolithic kernel with a published external system call |> API equivalent to what a standard BSD 4.3 kernel provides so that |> standard BSD Unix programs could be recompiled without changing the |> source. What I was saying was, there are certain advantages generally accepted in having a micro-kernel over a monolithic OS, so if Mach was pushed as the former, when it was in fact the latter....well. |> > I think the Mach upgrade will be far more important in providing a flexible |> > system, than any new changes 4.4 might bring. |> |> Why? There is no visible difference to the user or the application |> programmer whether NeXT uses Mach 2.5 or Mach 3.0. There will be an |> impact on people writing kernel code, of course, but that is quite |> uncommon. Why do I think that 3.0 will be better than 2.5 ? For all the advantages that micro-kernels provide. As I said, it would be far more flexible, because parts of BSD that need replacing could be replaced more easily. The OS would be more modular, which is always pushed as a good thing. But I think the main advantage is portability, which is what the NT micro-kernel gives it, along with the Hardware Abstraction Layer -- it can be easily ported to other machines. All the higher level stuff can just be recompiled (though of course you need the compiler). Another factor that interests me is that IBM are unlikely, IMHO to use BSD, but are more likely to implement all the higher stuff using AIX, or WorkPlace OS, over the Mach micro-kernel. It would be a major overhaul, but NeXT could possibly do the same thing. I'm sure religious wars will be fought over whether or not the BSD portion should be replaced or not, but I'm not going to say I know enough about it to put forward an opinion. The one problem with 3.0 vs 2.5 that's been put forward is a performance issue, that OS potions that run in user space run a lot slower than if they were in the kernel. I figure that the designers are well aware of this and would be doing their best to optimize the performance. Considering all the majot vendors are going over to micro-kernels, the advantages obviously outweigh the performance hit, and I know its optimistic and dreamy, but they might actually try and do something about improving the performance. Sanj
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Date: 6 May 1994 16:18:33 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qdqkp$1d8@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk> <2q88c6$6r1@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk> S.R. Samani (srs1002@hermes.cam.ac.uk) wrote: : In article <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk>, dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: : |> When people say that BSD is "above" Mach, you've got to realize that you're : |> into marketing-speak here. :) With the old version of Mach that NeXT use, : |> the BSD kernel and Mach itself are all lumped together in a monolithic : |> kernel. I don't know how much the kernel changed between 4.3 and 4.4, but : |> incorporating the changes would be harder than you think. : I think this may be the crucial point. Not whether or not NeXT plan to use BSD :4.4, but whether they intend to use Mach 3.0(rather than 2.5 currently), which : moves "most" BSD functionality out of the kernel, and into user space. Mach : claims to be a "micro-kernel", so having the kludge of BSD inside the kernel, : defeated the point. I think the Mach upgrade will be far more important in : providing a flexible system, than any new changes 4.4 might bring. It's worth : noting that IBM are going to use Mach 3.0 for their WorkPlace OS. I.e., Workplace OS will be SLOOOOOWWWWW. This is a problem with microkernel architectures which hasn't been addressed here: Mach 3.0 is much slower than 2.5 exactly BECAUSE 2.5 is monolithic. We really don't want NeXT to go with an even slower OS, do we? How many of us could actually _benefit_ from a true microkernel. I say it's of little worth. +---------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) UCLA CS in September | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo--------------------+
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu(Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Communication between a NeXT and a PC? Date: 6 May 1994 18:42:42 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C., USA Message-ID: <2qe332$13u@news.duke.edu> I'm looking into this for a researcher here on campus, and I don't know if what he's asking for is possible. Has someone else tried something similar successfully? Current setup: A PC (some 486/66) running DOS, and a NeXTCube running NS 3.2. They are connected in such a way that the NeXT appears as a drive on the PC. There's a custom-written C++ program that's run on the PC which controls a DSP card, attenuators and the like; it generates sounds and records data into a file on the PC. The C++ program, having a DOS interface, is not intuitive to use--there is no GUI. What he needs: A) A more intuitive interface for running the C++ program. B) A way to quickly (preferably in real-time) graph the results. Ideas we have: A) Create a NeXTSTEP app with sliders, buttons, etc. which drives the C++ program on the PC. This would require writing an API for the C++ program. B) Put the sliders, buttons, etc. in the C++ program and do the graphing on the NeXT. Questions/problems: 1. Can the NeXT access a PC buffer? If so this would give the NeXT access to the data as it is coming in, and we could have the plots appear on the NeXT in the same way as they now appear on the PC. 2. Can a NeXT app drive a PC app at all? 3. What would be the best/simplest graphing software to use for creating a scatter plot and a bar chart from output data relatively quickly on the NeXT? They've tried Mathematika, DADisp, SciPlot, Mesa, and VVdrafter. In earlier version of Mathematica it was very difficult for them to produce publication-quality graphs; they haven't yet received their upgrade to see if this has improved. SciPlot is the easiest to use, but it's programmability is limited. Mesa is fairly easy to use, but the graphics are lacking. They haven't had a lot of experience with it yet. VVdrafter may have a lot of potential, but it is not very intuitive, poorly documented. I've suggested they take a look at NXYPlot. 4. The main concern is one of speed: The controls of the sound stimulus need to be as fast as possible, and this may dictate keeping the controls in the C++ program on the PC. The display of the data does not need to be as fast. Thanks for any help and insights anyone can provide. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: where is benatong? internet address Message-ID: <CpEKpB.DIn@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <1994May6.010453.12253@vlsi.polymtl.ca> Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 22:48:47 GMT Jean-Marc Heneman (jmh@info.polymtl.ca) wrote: : I want to send a mail to BenaTong, the designer of PowerGuardian! : What is the internet address? : the old address is benatong@cypher.cmhnet.org, but it bounces! Try info@benatong.com They have their own domain, now. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: New NeXTAnswers supersedes Old? Message-ID: <CpEKvD.E16@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2qeaebINN9ol@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 22:52:25 GMT Charles D. Kincaid (statman@stat.ufl.edu) wrote: : I downloaded the current NeXTAnswers in NA.compressed and am : installing them. Do these supersede the old ones, such as : NeXTAnswers_93W? I tried to look for a few of the old ones in the new : group, but couldn't find the few that I tried. Should I have kept the old : ones? None of the README's seem to specifically state this. The new files replace old ones. The old ones get over-written. The only exception to this seems to be when the file changes name, but keeps the same number in the index (ie when they widen the scope of a document). --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New NeXTAnswers supersedes Old? Date: 6 May 1994 20:48:11 GMT Organization: University of Florida Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qeaebINN9ol@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Hello, I downloaded the current NeXTAnswers in NA.compressed and am installing them. Do these supersede the old ones, such as NeXTAnswers_93W? I tried to look for a few of the old ones in the new group, but couldn't find the few that I tried. Should I have kept the old ones? None of the README's seem to specifically state this. -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Another `new NeXTAnswer' question Date: 6 May 1994 21:02:33 GMT Organization: University of Florida Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qeb9aINN9pg@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Hello, This is a followup to my other question. After installing the new NeXTAnswers, I did some searches and found that many of the answers were so deep in subdirectories that the names went off of the end of the DL window. My question is "Are people putting NeXTAnswers on their bookshelves a) in the original, one target manner; b) with all one level subdirectories as targets; c) not at all and just using the e-mail or ftp service instead; or d) in some other unthought of way. I look forward to hearing peoples replies. -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: Another `new NeXTAnswer' question Message-ID: <CpELL4.FzK@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2qeb9aINN9pg@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 23:07:52 GMT Charles D. Kincaid (statman@stat.ufl.edu) wrote: : This is a followup to my other question. After installing the new : NeXTAnswers, I did some searches and found that many of the answers were : so deep in subdirectories that the names went off of the end of the DL : window. My question is "Are people putting NeXTAnswers on their : bookshelves a) in the original, one target manner; b) with all one level : subdirectories as targets; c) not at all and just using the e-mail or ftp : service instead; or d) in some other unthought of way. Yes, it's pretty hard to find docs in Librarian when the path is of the form: /Net/foonext/LocalLibrary/Documents/NeXTAnswers/Intel_Configuration_Info/Obnox iouslyLongFileNameForADocumentAboutSomeSCSICardOrOther.rtfd I have the whole NA tree at the office, for use in Librarian (a single entry in my bshelf, with another icon for the ThirdParty index). I do, however, keep the most important set of documents (the ones that relates to things we use at the office and resell) in a mailbox. I make heavy use of the 'index by date' command of the mailserver. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cbradley@bozell.com (Chris Bradley) Subject: Re: Help! Need to boot DOS Message-ID: <1994May6.192005.7461@bozell.com> Sender: news@bozell.com Organization: Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. References: <1994May02.091359.18759@wts.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 19:20:05 GMT In article <1994May02.091359.18759@wts.com> daf@wts.com (David A. Fox) writes: > The NextStep boot manager only boots Next, which doesn't bother me but does > bother a client of mine. He needs to be able to boot DOS also. How can I > do this WITHOUT using a DOS boot floppy? See the man page for ``fdisk''. -- Chris Bradley | cbradley@bozell.com Techno-Slave, with Many Masters | +1 214 830 2273 vox Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. | +1 214 830 2687 fax Advertising and Public Relations | "Born ready"
From: seh@trantor.cc.umb.edu (Stephen Halpin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IDE boot block Date: 7 May 1994 04:45:02 GMT Organization: Math/CS Dept. University of Massachusetts at Boston Message-ID: <2qf6ce$fft@cs.umb.edu> Gretings... I just aquired NeXTstep and a 545MB Conner IDE drive to run NeXTstep on my PC. I first used the real drive geometry (1057 cylinders) whereupon NeXTstep would only attempt to partitiion the drive as a 16MB volume. I reconfigured my BIOS settings for 1023 cyliners, and NeXTstep happily installed in a 503MB partition. The problem is, when I reboot, I get the NeXTstep boot statement (bootlaoder 1.28 etc..) and the system hangs with the IDE access light on. I then booted a DOS floppy and repartitioned the drive for DOS, and Im finding that if I try to read stuff off the disk the drive hangs in the accessing mode. Not only that, but I cant seem to get rid of the NeXT boot block, even with a full install of DOS 5.0. Does anyone know who I can get rid of the NS boot block and start with a simple DOS boot block, and does anyone have any idea why an IDE drive wont read correctly after this sequence of events? (The problem is I never actually installed DOS to test the drive, so Im not sure if the drive was hosed to start or the NS install did something wierd. As I have zero information on IDE, I dont even know what damage is possible from software.. -Steve
From: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (Alok K. Dhir) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Compiling X apps with Cub'X-Window Date: 7 May 1994 05:07:55 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2qf7nc$oc5@umd5.umd.edu> Hello all - I recently took delivery of Cub'xWindow for my Next machine running NSFIP 3.2. I am trying to compile some X apps for it, but I seem to be having a problem using imake. Here is the message I get when trying to make fvwm (a window manager): In file included from /usr/lib/X11/config/Imake.tmpl:859, from :3: /tmp/IIf.011772:5: invalid preprocessor directive name /tmp/IIf.011772:6: invalid preprocessor directive name imake: Exit code 1. Stop. Interestingly, I receive this _exact_ same error message from two other completely unrelated X apps I am tryng to compile. I looked at the Imake.tmpl file but was not able to find anything wrong on line 859, it it the following: #include INCLUDE_IMAKEFILE I did, however, successfully make 'xbiff' using Imake, so it doesn't happen every time I try to use it. Any advice? Thanks... -- -------------------------------------___--------------------------------- | Al Dhir, Programmer Analyst /___\ UMCP Ag-Engineering Dept | | Internet: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (o o) (301) 405-1197 | ---------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-----------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May7.072131.16296@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 07:21:31 GMT In article <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > I just can't see NeXT having the time for this sort of work. That may well be; much along the same lines as they don't have time to fix all the OS bugs. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compiling X apps with Cub'X-Window Date: 07 May 1994 08:02:51 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May7090251@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2qf7nc$oc5@umd5.umd.edu> To: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (Alok K. Dhir) In-reply-to: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu's message of 7 May 1994 05:07:55 GMT <adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu> writes: >Hello all - I recently took delivery of Cub'xWindow for my Next machine >running NSFIP 3.2. I am trying to compile some X apps for it, but I seem >to be having a problem using imake. Here is the message I get when >trying to make fvwm (a window manager): >In file included from /usr/lib/X11/config/Imake.tmpl:859, from :3: >/tmp/IIf.011772:5: invalid preprocessor directive name >/tmp/IIf.011772:6: invalid preprocessor directive name >imake: Exit code 1. Stop. Your problem is caused by the comment lines not starting at column zero I think... It's related to the comment lines I know that because I had the same problem with Co-Xist. when building fvwm... Look for strange comment lines in the Imakefile. fvwm is not _a_ window manager it's _the_ window manager :-) -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: andreas@dworkin.wustl.edu (Andreas D. Bovopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ideas about an Multimedia Lab Keywords: ATM, Videoconferencing Message-ID: <77710@dworkin.wustl.edu> Date: 7 May 94 04:30:00 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Washington University St. Louis, MO Hi Everybody: I am in the process of setting up an ATM networking lab for the company I work for. Part of our activities will include the development of services and applications for the ATM LAN market and experimentation. For example one of the first projects we want to undertake is to develop an ATM Forum complient impementation of LAN Emulation. In an ATM infrastructure, we plan to try to experiment with multimedia applications as well. The question is: Is there any reason to consider NextStep and workstations that will support Nextstep? From what I know over the summer HP workstations will be available with NextStep. That would probably be a good platform. But what about peripherals and adapter cards? What about ATM switches that could interoperate with such workstations and or PCs. Do you know if there exist any ATM switches which could be used in such environment? Any suggestions about video cameras and other multimedia equipment which could be used in such an environment? Could you give me some reasons for which I should not choose a Sun based infrastructure? If you prefer you may send your suggestions to andreas@dworkin.wustl.edu and I will summarize. Thanks a lot in advance, Andreas D. Bovopoulos Chipcom Corporation 508-4905602
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Audix and NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1994May6.182211.9305@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 18:22:11 GMT Has anyone ever heard of any type of app that could use NEXTSTEP as a front end to deal with Audix voice mail. It seems that if the system is storing the voice mail on a machine, it must be storing them in some logical manner. Further, we should be able to look at, convert if necessary, and then play the voice mail out via NEXTSTEP. Please let me know both what you know of this idea, and any apps that exists to deal with it. Thanks Wes -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group (UUCP and SENDMAIL Consultation) 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: mgs460@ku-eichstaett.de (GERALD GRASSMANN) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Postsrcipt - ASCII Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 06:58:50 GMT Organization: Katholische Universitaet Eichstaett Distribution: world Message-ID: <mgs460.9.768207530@ku-eichstaett.de> Is there any util for NS3.2 to convert Postscript files to ASCII ? Is it possible to drag'n'drop Postscript display ? Thanks in advance. Gerald.
From: gt6963c@prism.gatech.edu (John) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Still having CD audio problems Date: 7 May 1994 17:53:48 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2qh2lc$feh@acme.gatech.edu> Ok.. I got the PASPlus driver as everyone suggested. And now Root can play CD's and I can hear it through my sound card..but.. My user account still can't do it. I still get "CANNOT OPEN CDPlayer" from cdaudio.util. I'm getting REALLY frustrated. I don't want to have to log in as root everytime I want to play a cd. John -- John "Kzin" Rudd gt6963c@prism.getech.edu (ex-kzin@cc.gatech.edu) Ascii Mail only (no Nextmail) (ex-kzin@ucscb.ucsc.edu) ========Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatable.===============
From: kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A question of interface Date: 8 May 1994 06:10:42 GMT Organization: The University of Waikato Message-ID: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> Keywords: interface NeXTstep Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). Have these features been added in later releases (or perhaps intended for NS 3.3 ?). Another problem is window resizing which is rather clumsy in that it can be only done from the bottom edge/corners and there is no maximise/restore button (or keyboard accelerator) for quickly making a window fill the screen c.f. Motif or Windows. Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been addressed for NS on Intel). Don't get me wrong, despite all the whining I really like NeXTstep. However there are some interface issues which have been successfully solved by the likes of (dare I mention) Apple and Microsoft which could be quite easily fixed for NeXT and would make a big difference in the quality of the interface. In particular, I think it should be possible to perform all interface operations (except drawing) through the keyboard alone. BTW, I heard a rumour that NeXT is thinking of doing away with dwrite's. (And replace with what ?). It would be nice to have a more customizable mechanism such as that in the X windows world where classes and instances within an application are individually customizable. For example, if a generic scroll class, by default, had customizable foreground and background (through some mechanism such as dwrite's or X's xrdb), any app making use of this class would inherit the extra functionality. I'm one of many who dislike the unchangeable glaring white background of Terminal.app (Yes, I know I can buy Stuart.app or use Emacs.app ...). Just some thoughts. Blast away. Kerry Guise
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FTP'ing and ftp.next.com Date: 8 May 1994 09:12:07 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <2qiad7$fbb@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Apologies for my lack of understanding: Is there a way to FTP a complete version of NeXTanswers, NeXTstep In Focus, etc? I am using a plain old text-based FTP program via dial-up. For the life of me, I can't seem to find any way to download just *ONE* file containing all the NeXTanswers. In the past, it was all nicely packaged for FTP'ing. Is there a *single* file for NeXTanswers or NeXTstep In Focus? Again, I apologize for the fact that I am FTP impaired. :-) RWW. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines, Keeper of the ZyXEL modem FAQ, University of British Columbia NeXT Users Group Leader and collector of titles.
From: gorgon@crl.com (Zach Copley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,ca.unix Subject: Setting up a home LAN with NEXSTEP/Unix Date: 8 May 1994 02:39:53 -0700 Organization: Pigdog Message-ID: <2qic19$479@crl.crl.com> Summary: Setting up a home LAN with NEXSTEP/Unix (and Macs) Keywords: LAN, Mac, Telnet Setting up a home LAN with NEXSTEP/Unix I'm trying to setup a local area network in my house using my NEXTSTEP machine. I want to have the NEXTSTEP machine be a UNIX host machine, and let all of the other computers in the house telnet in over ethernet to use shell accounts. I have a Mac II and a Mac Quadra 700, both on ethernet, and they both have MacTCP 2.0.4. I also have a DOS machine on ethernet, but I don't care about that one as much. The ethernet network is a simple daisy chain, terminated at both ends. MacTCP wants an IP address for its machine, a gateway address for routing, whether to obtain the address manually, dynamically, or from a server, and a subnet mask (net, subnet and node). It also wants domain name servers, but that doesn't seem to be manditory. I haven't been able to figure out the right numbers to put in. The IP address for my NEXTSTEP machine is 192.187.157.37. I also run SLIP on it to do e-mail. All that I want to do is run NCSA Telnet and FTP so that my Macs can access my NeXT machine. I can't get either application to work. The NeXT machine wont respond. I don't want to run something like Novell (overkill for me). I want to connect all the machines with TCP/IP and make the NeXT machine the central machine. Is this something very complicated to do? Can anyone help me? Please? Thanks, Zach
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FTP'ing and ftp.next.com Date: 8 May 1994 10:54:24 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2qigd0$e3u@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2qiad7$fbb@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> In article <2qiad7$fbb@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) writes: >Is there a *single* file for NeXTanswers or NeXTstep In Focus? Yes. pub/NeXTanswers/NA.compressed (Just under 15.7 MB as of this writing) -=EPS=-
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FTP'ing and ftp.next.com Date: 08 May 1994 10:10:32 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May8111032@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2qiad7$fbb@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> To: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) In-reply-to: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca's message of 8 May 1994 09:12:07 GMT Go get mirror.pl.... It will mirror an entire heirarchy using FTP. -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: Greg Notch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Disc-doubler Date: 6 May 1994 04:51:34 GMT Organization: Allegheny College Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qcicm$3be@mustang.alleg.edu> References: <2qakv5$cn0@vega.info.isbiel.ch> Olivier Schmid writes -> -> I've got a question: -> -> Are there any programs la stacker or double-space (DOS) to compress data in realtime on UNIX ? Or are there some problems to realize that on UNIX ? -> -> Thanks in advance -> -> Oli Well, wouldn't the 20+ MB swapfiles cause problems if they were compressed in real time? NeXTs are slow enough, they don't need any help from a real-time disk compression utility (IMHO) :-) -Greg --- ***************************************************************************** ***** Greg Notch * "Intolerance leads to bigotry, ***** ***** Box 475 Allegheny College * bigotry leads to hatred, ***** ***** Meadville, PA 16335 * hatred leads to violence, ***** ***** School: (814) 332-3027 * violence leads to death" ***** ***** Home: (518) 393-7712 * -Elie Wiesel ***** ***** Email: <notchg@alleg.edu> * ***** *****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 15:58:39 GMT Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: : Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, : launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible : to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without : using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). This is part of NeXT's interface philosophy. Keyboard hotkeys are a convenience to speed things up, not the primary method of getting around. Remember, this is a _graphical_ user interface. It is much more intuitive to use the mouse, rather than the keryboard for stuff like that. When I am forced to use MS Windoze, I find I can't live without the keyboard for navigating menus and windows; not so with NeXTSTEP. : Another problem is window resizing which is rather clumsy in that it can : be only done from the bottom edge/corners and there is no maximise/restore : button (or keyboard accelerator) for quickly making a window fill the : screen c.f. Motif or Windows. I find 'maximized' windows offensive. What is the advantage? Full-screen windows make it hard to switch applications, and they make it nearly impossible to _really use_ two or more apps at the same time. NeXT's concept of 'floating' windows (unlike Windoze, where all the document windows are contained within the app's master window), the idea that all windows and panels can float freely about the screen, make 'maximized' windows unnecesary for MOST apps. Those apps that would benefit from full-screen windows should implement a Windows->Maximize menu option... : Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb : in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to : the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the : keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been : addressed for NS on Intel). Applications that use page-oriented documents should always have page up/down buttons along the bottom of the window. It is more intuitive to have the scrollbox go where you clicked in the scroll, and leave page up/down to the buttons. And no, NS/FIP makes no use of the PC-101 keyboard's PG-UP and PG-DOWN keys. : In particular, I think it should be possible to perform : all interface operations (except drawing) through the keyboard alone. Despite my background in VT100 UNIX-via-modem, QNX, and DOS (and C64! ;-) where the mouse was a minor luxury, I believe that the mouse is an essential part of doing work on a computer. The NeXT system is the first where I felt the mouse was increasing my workspeed, not slowing it down. Don't be afraid of using the mouse... _ADVOCACY ON_ I for one don't want to see NeXTSTEP take on the interface of Windows, X, or Mac any more than it already does. It does take some getting used to, if you switch frequently between interfaces. NeXT has put a lot of time into making the interface efficient. I think they did a good job. _ADVOCACY OFF_ : BTW, I heard a rumour that NeXT is thinking of doing away with dwrite's. I hope not... Just when we've had a slew of good graphical dwrite tools! : Just some thoughts. Blast away. I did. :) --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: csmith@blackplague.gmu.edu (Christian Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,ca.unix Subject: Re: Setting up a home LAN with NEXSTEP/Unix Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,ca.unix Date: 8 May 1994 13:35:26 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <2qipqu$m29@portal.gmu.edu> References: <2qic19$479@crl.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zach Copley (gorgon@crl.com) wrote: : Setting up a home LAN with NEXSTEP/Unix : : I'm trying to setup a local area network in my house using my : NEXTSTEP machine. I want to have the NEXTSTEP machine be a UNIX host : machine, and let all of the other computers in the house telnet in : over ethernet to use shell accounts. : Ok, here is what you should do. Since the NeXT is using Slip to get to the outside world, it has TWO network interfaces, call them slip0 and en0. Each of these should have its own ip address. The slip0 interface will get its ip from the slip server you connect to. The en0 interface will get its ip address from /etc/hostconfig. Now, you have two choices 1) set up an internal ethernet network with no access to the outside world. 2) set up an internal ethernet network with access to the outside world. Choice one is easy, choice two involves setting routed on the next, and getting you slip prrovider to set you up with a subdomaine, which they might or might not be willing to do. I can't help you out to much with this one. As for choice one, do it this way.... Using /etc/hostconfig, set up as HOSTNAME=somename INETADDR=xxx.xxx.xxx.1 ROUTER=same as above IPNETMASK=255.255.255.0 IPBROADCAST=xxx.xxx.xxx.255 NETMASTER=-YES- Now, you have a router and netmask to give the mac, ie the same as the above. Ip address for the other machines in you home ethernet should be of the form xxx.xxx.xxx.n where 1<n<255 You can also set the next up to run bind and named and then have nameservice for your home network, but you probably don't need this. This should all work. Since your home network won't have any connection to the outside world, it doesn't matter what the ip network you chose is. If you want to try to get the home network connected to the outside world, talk to your slip provider, and get copies of the Nutshell books on routing, and named/bind as you will need them. Frankly, I doubt it is worth the trouble. Amanda (or others) if I goofed on here please let me know, this is coming off the top of my head... Chris
From: don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 8 May 1994 21:50:49 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qjmrp$sv7@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> Chris Saldanha writes ) Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: ) : Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, ) : launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible ) : to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without ) : using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). ) ) This is part of NeXT's interface philosophy. Keyboard hotkeys are a ) convenience to speed things up, not the primary method of getting around. ) Remember, this is a _graphical_ user interface. It is much more ) intuitive to use the mouse, rather than the keryboard for stuff like that. ) When I am forced to use MS Windoze, I find I can't live without the ) keyboard for navigating menus and windows; not so with NeXTSTEP. Yes. More key equivalents would be nice, but they aren't strictly necessary. And you can change them in Preferences.app anyway, so...add them yourself! It would be nice to add a hotkey to switch from app to app, but I doubt I'd ever really use it much. I barely use command up/down arrow as it is...though command clicking a title bar is terribly ueful... ) : Another problem is window resizing which is rather clumsy in that it can ) : be only done from the bottom edge/corners and there is no maximise/restore ) : button (or keyboard accelerator) for quickly making a window fill the ) : screen c.f. Motif or Windows. ) ) I find 'maximized' windows offensive. What is the advantage? ) [...great explanation axed...] ) Those apps that would benefit from ) full-screen windows should implement a Windows->Maximize menu option... It would be nice if the Window class supported this functionality, but it should be set up so that it has to be enabled, and it should be discouraged. I've never liked the maximize function--it reminds me too much of the old days of only running one app at a time, and having that app take over everything. On a multitasking system, that simply doesn't make good sense. I like NeXT's interface on this count. ) : Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb ) : in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to ) : the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the ) : keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been ) : addressed for NS on Intel). ) ) Applications that use page-oriented documents should always have page ) up/down buttons along the bottom of the window. It is more intuitive to ) have the scrollbox go where you clicked in the scroll, and leave page ) up/down to the buttons. Note also that ALT-clicking on the scroll up/down buttons will scroll by one "screenful", which although not necessarily a full page, is perhaps more useful in a given interface. Page up/down buttons should still be placed in the scroll bar, though. I *_LOVE_* the way clicking in the scroll bar takes me to that spot in the document. GUIs that only scroll a pagefull when I click in the bar really piss me off. They are definitely DUIs (Dumb User Interfaces). ) And no, NS/FIP makes no use of the PC-101 keyboard's PG-UP and PG-DOWN ) keys. But it should. If the key is there, it ought to be used. It's that simple. But, remembering that the key isn't on all keyboards, there should be other ways to access the same functionality just as easily. Alt-clicking the scroll buttons is probably good enough for that... ) : In particular, I think it should be possible to perform ) : all interface operations (except drawing) through the keyboard alone. ) ) _ADVOCACY ON_ ) I for one don't want to see NeXTSTEP take on the interface of Windows, X, ) or Mac any more than it already does. It does take some getting used to, ) if you switch frequently between interfaces. NeXT has put a lot of time ) into making the interface efficient. I think they did a good job. ) _ADVOCACY OFF_ Well said. Yes, there are many cases where more keyboard equivalents could be added. For some people it would be helpful. However, I would hope that if NeXT ever did add these items, that they would do so in a manner which doesn't destroy the way the current GUI handles things so cleanly. I don't mind using the mouse a lot--and I agree that it helps me with my work rather than hindering me. I can't say the same for Windoze or X; on those systems, using the mouse sucks. Under NEXTSTEP it just feels natural. Big difference to me, but I've been using NS for a long time now and am quite accustomed to (comfortable with) it. ) : BTW, I heard a rumour that NeXT is thinking of doing away with dwrite's. ) ) I hope not... Just when we've had a slew of good graphical dwrite tools! Yeah, I hope not. I've got a really nice setup for managing preferences and the like that will come to the MiscKit soon. It will allow things such as a system-wide defaults database for defaults that the user has not set in their own database and so on. I'd hate to have to re-do it! ) : Just some thoughts. Blast away. ) ) I did. :) Well, I'm basically just agreeing here, but basically my verdict is "leave the NEXTSTEP interface alone." They did it right, IMHO. There's very little I'd want them to add, and I hope anything they add doesn't make the current stuff any harder to work with. I for one am quite satisfied with it... :-) -- Later, -Don Yacktman Don_Yacktman@byu.edu
From: michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 8 May 1994 23:19:42 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Message-ID: <2qjs2e$our@meaddata.meaddata.com> References: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> Keywords: interface NeXTstep I like the proportional scrollers. When I click in the scroller I want it to scroll to the proportional position of the mouse. I hate MS Windows which the position of the scroller has nothing to do with how far you have scrolled in the document. Typically, the first few pages consume 95% of the scroller and you must scroll through the remaining 95 pages within just 5% of the scroller. I also like the fact that the relative size of the grabbable part of the Nextstep scroller reflects the relative size of the visible portion and non-visible portion of the document. Page up and page down are usualy buttons below the vertical scroller. Using the mouse to unhide apps is not to inconvenient for me. When I am changing app focus, I usually want to use the mouse for other things anyway. In my opinion, maximize window controls are not a good idea in multiple active app situations. It is really only needed for small screens. Making a window full screen tends to obscure inspectors and palettes etc. - Erik
From: luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sorta Re: FTP'ing and ftp.next.com Date: 8 May 1994 19:40:32 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9405090038.AA11752@alleg.EDU> A little off the thread here, but would it seem unreasonable to ask why 'ftp' does not allow for an entire folder to be transferred? Granted there are times when this would not be desired, but there are also times when it would be a great benefit. or Why not have a way to FTP several files at once? ftp> get README /path/to/file /path/to/other/file instead of having to do it manually? (I'm sure now someone is going to tell me that this is possible and that I should have known it all along) TjL --- Timothy J. Luoma Email: luomat@alleg.edu (Shell=tcsh) Workstation Environment using NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola MAIL: NeXT YES / MIME Mail NO No Root access, no super-user access
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ajones@math.toronto.edu (Albin L. Jones) Subject: the OpenStep specification...where/how? Message-ID: <1994May9.000648.12998@math.toronto.edu> Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto Date: Mon, 9 May 94 00:06:48 GMT (note: i apologize if this question exists in a faq form...i have been unable to locate any comp.sys.next.* faqs...) does the OpenStep open specification exist yet? if it doe does it exist in a legible format? if so, how can one obtain a copy of it? (and if not to either of the above, will it ever?) thanks much. -- albin l. jones department of mathematics university of toronto toronto, ontario ajones@math.toronto.edu canada m5s 1a1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Bitstream 500 Font CD Message-ID: <1994May9.010030.19548@venice.sedd.trw.com> Originator: verket@verket-home Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 01:00:30 GMT IMHO the "Bitstream 500 Font CD for Windows" is a _steal_ at $30 from Egghead. The fonts have a good variety and are all unlocked. There's even a selection of monospaced fonts for Emacs junkies. Note that this disk doesn't have any hand tuned screen bitmaps of the fonts so they won't look as good as fonts shipped for the NeXT. Heck, some of the fonts (like Shelley Allegro - a script font) could use more than the 300 dpi of my printer! The format of the files turned out to be easy to convert to use under NeXTSTEP once I found the tools on the net. I've uploaded a quick hack at a font converter to cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions. (The README is at the bottom) It will convert the fonts from MS-DOS binary to NeXT ASCII and rename the font files to something reasonable. For example: next:~/ installBitFont /BITSTREAM/psfonts/n_p/0213a___.afm /LocalLibrary /LocalLibrary/Fonts/OrbitBbyBT-Regular.font created. When you've converted all the font's you want, don't forget to run buildafmdir. Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok) --------README--------- Here's a small hack to simplify the installation of Postscript fonts from the "Bitstream 500 Font CD For Windows" disk onto NextSTEP. installBitFont A shell script that takes a bitstream file name and installs it as a font in the location of your choice. pfbtops A FAT binary of a binary to ascii font converter. pfbtops.1 The man page. pfbtops.c The source for the converter (from gatekeeper.dec.com).
From: bchin@is-next.umd.edu (Bill Chin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 9 May 1994 01:39:00 GMT Organization: Comp. Sci. Ctr., Univ. of MD, College Park, MD 20742 Message-ID: <2qk47k$4u6@umd5.umd.edu> References: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: : Another problem is window resizing which is rather clumsy in that it can : be only done from the bottom edge/corners and there is no maximise/restore : button (or keyboard accelerator) for quickly making a window fill the : screen c.f. Motif or Windows. NEXTSTEP is a *document* centric interface, while the Mac/Motif/Windows etc. are *application* centric interfaces. That means, a document should be only as large as that document is -> there is no application to take up the rest of the space. NEXTSTEP is designed to have multiple applications and documents running and allows the user to easily work between them. Most of the other GUI's out there are still designed to have one app at a time, so they make it easy to have an app fill the whole screen. : Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb : in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to : the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the : keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been : addressed for NS on Intel). Proportional scrollbars is a *feature*. Page Up/Down should be handled by the individual application and not an OS level feature. Many word processing programs have page up and page down built into their UI's. Some provide keyboard equivalents. : Don't get me wrong, despite all the whining I really like NeXTstep. : However there are some interface issues which have been successfully : solved by the likes of (dare I mention) Apple and Microsoft which could be : quite easily fixed for NeXT and would make a big difference in the quality : of the interface. In particular, I think it should be possible to perform : all interface operations (except drawing) through the keyboard alone. I guess it all depends on your point of view. Microsoft, for instance, is "fixing" their Windows UI to be more document centric for Chicago (Windows 4.0). The lack of keyboard control is actually a benefit IMHO. It's part of what makes NEXTSTEP elegant. Coming from a Windows/ Mac world, however, I have had the urge to resort back to some ofthe controls in those environments. In the end, however, I'm glad NeXT hasn't. : BTW, I heard a rumour that NeXT is thinking of doing away with dwrite's. : (And replace with what ?). It would be nice to have a more customizable : mechanism such as that in the X windows world where classes and instances : within an application are individually customizable. For example, if a : generic scroll class, by default, had customizable foreground and : background (through some mechanism such as dwrite's or X's xrdb), any app : making use of this class would inherit the extra functionality. I'm one of : many who dislike the unchangeable glaring white background of Terminal.app : (Yes, I know I can buy Stuart.app or use Emacs.app ...). And thus practically require the user to sift through something like an .mwmrc? Dwrite's aren't really supposed to be used by the end user anyways... The applications is supposed to have a preferences panel take care of most of it. The problem is, most of us just don't have the time to put in every possible configuration into a UI. Some of it is just for debugging. NEXTSTEP makes some trade-offs between simplicity, elegance, ease-of use, and flexibility and I'm glad the balance they took was more for simplicity, elegance, ease-of-use at the expense of a little flexibility. .Bill
From: lozinski@cup.portal.com (Christopher A Lozinski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Communication between a NeXT and a PC? Message-ID: <111195@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 94 18:33:14 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <2qe332$13u@news.duke.edu> It is very easy to connect P.C.'s and NEXT computers. Just use the DOME message bus. It is like PDO, but it runs on NEXTs, Windows, UNIX and VMS. All you need to do is send messages between your computers. The speed will be as fast as your network supports. The Dome message bus is described in the product catalogue entitled: "Windows Clients for NEXTSTEP Servers". You can get a copy by sending your postal address to: info@bpg.com Please specify whether you prefer a paper version or NEXTMAIL version of the catalogue. Regards Christopher Lozinski President Berkeley Productivity Group Object Enterprise Editor, NEXT IN LINE. Author Borland Extensions to Objective-C.
From: Jason.Hunsaker@launchpad.unc.edu (Jason Hunsaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Floor Plan drawing program wanted Date: 9 May 1994 02:24:54 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qk6tm$qcb@samba.oit.unc.edu> There is a feature in old (and maybe current) MacDraw programs that lets one change the display rulers such that one can tell the program that one inch equals 1 foot, one centimeter equals 30 meters, and so on. Is there a fairly decent program for NEXTSTEP or Windows that has this capability? I used both Aldus Freehand and WordPerfect Presentations, and neither of the versions I used have this feature. I need it so that I can draw up some floor plans/architectural drawings. It makes things much simpler than just arbitrarily deciding "okay, if I make one centimeter equal to 100 feet, then I need to start at this point and go over to ... hmmm ... somewhere in this general area ... I think ...." Do Virtouso, Illustrator, AutoCad, or anything else offer this? -- Jason Hunsaker -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ The above does not represent OIT, UNC-CH, laUNChpad, or its other users. / ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: pmarc@allanon.math.byu.edu (Paul Cardon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sorta Re: FTP'ing and ftp.next.com Date: 9 May 1994 04:49:22 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2qkfci$f39@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <9405090038.AA11752@alleg.EDU> In article <9405090038.AA11752@alleg.EDU> luomat@alleg.EDU (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: > A little off the thread here, but would it seem unreasonable to ask > why 'ftp' does not allow for an entire folder to be transferred? > Granted there are times when this would not be desired, but there are > also times when it would be a great benefit. There are some ftp servers which can be configured to do .tar, .Z, .gz, etc. The wu-ftpd stuff comes to mind first. > Why not have a way to FTP several files at once? > > ftp> get README /path/to/file /path/to/other/file > > instead of having to do it manually? > > (I'm sure now someone is going to tell me that this is possible and > that I should have known it all along) Well, you did ask. mget allows that as well as wildcards to match large numbers of individual files. Check out prompt while you are at it. Type help at the ftp prompt to see a list of all ftp commands and help <command> to get a little more information on a specific command. The ftp manpage also summarizes the commands. You will still probably use only a small subset of the commands on a regular basis, but it is still useful to know what is available to you if the need arises. Another nifty little trick using a pipe to read text files without having to actually transfer them is: get README "|more" -- Paul M. Cardon President of Provo-Orem NeXTSTEP User and Developer Group (PoNG) NeXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Department - Brigham Young University DOS - The Ultimate Blivet
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Disc-doubler Date: 9 May 1994 05:48:52 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2qkis4$t6j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2qakv5$cn0@vega.info.isbiel.ch> <2qcicm$3be@mustang.alleg.edu> Greg Notch writes: > Well, wouldn't the 20+ MB swapfiles cause problems if they were >compressed in real time? NeXTs are slow enough, they don't need any help from a >real-time disk compression utility (IMHO) :-) Do a man 5 swaptab... since 3.0 (maybe 3.1???), swapfiles can be compressed. If it is faster to compress the data and then write the smaller sized data to the disk than to write the larger uncompressed data in the first place, it makes sense. Compressing data in RAM is fast - writing data to a disk is slow. -- David Lemson University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sorta Re: FTP'ing and ftp.next.com Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 01:32:51 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <QhnQg3C00iUzQ8Le9r@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <9405090038.AA11752@alleg.EDU> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 8-May-94 Sorta Re: FTP'ing and ftp.n.. by Timothy J. Luoma@alleg.E > A little off the thread here, but would it seem unreasonable to ask > why 'ftp' does not allow for an entire folder to be transferred? > Granted there are times when this would not be desired, but there are > also times when it would be a great benefit. > > or > > Why not have a way to FTP several files at once? The communications protocol for FTP has been standardized for decades now. There is the 'mget *' command (use 'prompt' first to turn off interactive queries), which may do almost what you wish. Newer FTP daemons found on some sites allow you to ask for a file with a given extension, including .tar, so these site will automatically tar up a directory tree for you if you so wish. This feature is not generally available, but it's nice to run into. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 18:55:05 PDT Message-ID: <1994May09.015505.1054@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Disc-doubler References: <2qcicm$3be@mustang.alleg.edu> From: Greg Notch <notchg@alleg.edu> > Well, wouldn't the 20+ MB swapfiles cause problems > if they were compressed in real time? NeXTs are > slow enough, they don't need any help from a real-time > disk compression utility (IMHO) :-) While it does add some load to the CPU, you're typically reading/writing half as much data. Since disk is so much slower, it seems that a net win is at least plausible. Anyone have real numbers on performance effects of real-time software compression techniques? --- NeXTMail:peter.kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <1994May9.082811.21947@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2qjmrp$sv7@bones.et.byu.edu> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 08:28:11 GMT In article <2qjmrp$sv7@bones.et.byu.edu> don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) writes: > Chris Saldanha writes > ) Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: > ) : Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, > ) : launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not > possible > ) : to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications > without > ) : using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). > ) > ) This is part of NeXT's interface philosophy. Keyboard hotkeys are a > ) convenience to speed things up, not the primary method of getting > around. > ) Remember, this is a _graphical_ user interface. It is much more > ) intuitive to use the mouse, rather than the keryboard for stuff like > that. > ) When I am forced to use MS Windoze, I find I can't live without the > ) keyboard for navigating menus and windows; not so with NeXTSTEP. > > Yes. More key equivalents would be nice, but they aren't strictly > necessary. And you can change them in Preferences.app anyway, > so...add them yourself! It would be nice to add a hotkey to switch > from app to app, but I doubt I'd ever really use it much. I barely > use command up/down arrow as it is...though command clicking a title > bar is terribly ueful... There are a couple of different circumstances here. Firstly, if I am principally typing, and requirement to switch to the mouse is a major productivity loss. As a result, I would like to see a number of document/application related tasks handled from the keyboard. These are the standard ones that people ask for, like switching between windows, and others. The other circumstance is the broken mouse/installation. There are times when installing NeXTSTEP that I can't, without a lot of hassle, have a mouse on the system. The installation routine should be able to handle that. > ) : Another problem is window resizing which is rather clumsy in that it > can > ) : be only done from the bottom edge/corners and there is no > maximise/restore > ) : button (or keyboard accelerator) for quickly making a window fill the > ) : screen c.f. Motif or Windows. > ) > ) I find 'maximized' windows offensive. What is the advantage? > ) [...great explanation axed...] > ) Those apps that would benefit from > ) full-screen windows should implement a Windows->Maximize menu option... > > It would be nice if the Window class supported this functionality, > but it should be set up so that it has to be enabled, and it should > be discouraged. I've never liked the maximize function--it reminds > me too much of the old days of only running one app at a time, and > having that app take over everything. On a multitasking system, > that simply doesn't make good sense. I like NeXT's interface on > this count. I also dislike Maximise, for the reasons given. However, there is a good case to permit a zoom function in more apps. If I have to switch between 17" and 21" monitors, I would rather see a fixed relationship maintained between subtended angle on the display and the document windows. The NeXT GUI uses number of pels to control image sizes too often for my taste. > ) Applications that use page-oriented documents should always have page > ) up/down buttons along the bottom of the window. It is more intuitive to > ) have the scrollbox go where you clicked in the scroll, and leave page > ) up/down to the buttons. This may be my personal obsession, but GUIs are not intuitive! The may be easy to learn, but there is nothing obvious about how to use a mouse. What you (Chris and Kerry) are writing about is learned behaviour. Just because your first GUI did it in a particular way doesn't mean that it is the only right or 'best' behaviour. I'd also like to say that I agree with Don, and other posters in this thread. There are a number of clear cases where most people agree that NeXTSTEP could be easily improved, at the appkit level. How about it for 3.3? These include recognition of PgUp/PgDn keys, Window scaling/zoom/maximise, chnaging focus from the keyboard, and probably a whole load more that I have missed. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May9.083124.22015@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <ROBERT.94May3215740@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 08:31:24 GMT In article <ROBERT.94May3215740@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > <paul@seer.demon.co.uk> writes: > > >However, all of the appkit functions that call BSD functions would need to > >be looked over and tested, which represents quite a lot of work, even if > >the changes are minimal. > > There's not a great deal of AppKit code that calls BSD functions. All > that I can think of off hand (That's your queue EPS) is the stuff that > needs to talk to netinfo if it is running. ie. pwd.h grp.h tcp Actually, there are a lot. Check into functions (not methods), like: NXCopyStringBuffer and all of the file mapping calls. These would have to be regression tested properly if the underlying OS was changed. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chuck@benatong.com (Charles G. Bennett) Subject: Re: where is benatong? internet address Message-ID: <CpIFC3.E9C@benatong.com> Sender: usenet@benatong.com Organization: BenaTong References: <1994May6.010453.12253@vlsi.polymtl.ca> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 00:43:14 GMT In article <1994May6.010453.12253@vlsi.polymtl.ca> jmh@info.polymtl.ca (Jean-Marc Heneman) writes: > I want to send a mail to BenaTong, the designer of PowerGuardian! > What is the internet address? > the old address is benatong@cypher.cmhnet.org, but it bounces! > > -- > jmh > > jean-marc heneman = jmh@info.polymtl.ca > if mail bounces, try jmh@aircanada.ca > I prefer ASCII mail for now, but you can send me NextMail for attachment > __ > / /_/ > __/ / / Just received your mail... For those that don't know, benatong is now at benatong.com... So info@benatong.com will work. BTW: We just placed a beta of our upcomming program called LabelStar on the archives. This program works with CoStar LabelWriter I , II and II+ and the new XL and XL+. If you don't know what those are, they are the small dedicated label printers that excel at doing things like address labels.. Try it and drop me a line. We will release the program at the Expo and will be authorized resellers by then.. The beta is fully enabled, but dies in september. Chuck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) Subject: kernext.486 problem Message-ID: <riddlerCpJ4y7.K3D@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 09:56:31 GMT I just bought NextStep 3.2 for Intel and am trying to get access to my NetCom account. I figured kermit would be a good start and used ftp to get kernext.486 in binary mode from cs.orst.edu. I then downloaded the file using a Windows comm program, rebooted under NS, and opened the file from my DOS partition. I placed it in Local/Apps and renamed it to kermit.app as per the README but when I try to launch the file, I get an error telling me the file is damaged. Does anyone know what the problem might be? Also, is this the easiest way to go about getting access to the InterNet under NS for Intel? Sorry for being so clueless but all of this stuff is pretty new to me.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) Subject: More NS/Intel Cluelessness Message-ID: <riddlerCpJ5Hy.L05@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 10:08:22 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) Subject: More NS/Intel Cluelessness Message-ID: <riddlerCpJ6CL.M4u@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 10:26:44 GMT Any help on the following issues would be greatly appreciated: 1) The mouse is really jerky. I've played around with my Prefs but to no avail. The mouse seems to skip pixels and is really hard to control. Also, double-clicking icons can be very painful. I keep getting aliases or something just off-center of the icon I'm trying to double click. 2) How do I log on as root on a non-networked machine straight out of the box? I don't have a sys admin like the NeXT manuals keep referring to. It seems like NeXT could at least rewrite parts of their manual instead of dumpin the same manuals in the NS for Intel box when things like this are being described. 3) NeXT's manuals suck in my opinion. They only touch on things in a very cursory manner and don't explain very essential things like #2 above. They also don't say anything about modems. It's nice for all of us net users who can access NeXTanswers, etc. but what about non-netters. They would buy NS for about a grand, take it home, install it, and be................hosed! 4) Does NS for Intel kind of seem like a Beta product or is it just me? 5) What are the best comm programs for NS/Intel out there? (perferrably free/shareware) 6) Is anyone working on Gravis Ultrasound sound support for NS/Intel? Sorry for my ranting.... Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) Subject: kernext.486 problem Message-ID: <riddlerCpJ6nz.MDy@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 10:33:35 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) Subject: kernext.486 problem Message-ID: <riddlerCpJ6u5.MM0@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 10:37:17 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Subject: NSI: disk dirty after DOS session Message-ID: <1994May9.123858.14323@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:38:58 GMT Hello, I run NSI on a 486 PC with a 250MB local disk, which has two partions: one for DOS/WINDOZE and one for NeXTSTEP. Very often it happens that after I run DOS and then boot up NS, NS has to check the disk, which is dirty, and then it has to repair it. Is this normal? I would have expected that the two partions (DOS and NS) are completely independant of each other.... And, yes, when I shut down the NS, I use the "reboot to DOS" window panel, so that the disks should be synced and clean for the next reboot. Anyone any ideas? -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ FAX: +49-89-2394-4607 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: +49-89-2394-4565, -4562---------------------------------------------- Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University Institute for Medical Optics, Theoretical Biophysics Group
From: wpwood@bga.com (Bill Woodward) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compiling X apps with Cub'X-Window Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 9 May 1994 13:09:42 GMT Organization: Real/Time Communications - Bob Gustwick and Associates Message-ID: <2qlcmm$g9l@giga.bga.com> References: <2qf7nc$oc5@umd5.umd.edu> <ROBERT.94May7090251@steffi.demon.co.uk> Robert Nicholson (robert@steffi.demon.co.uk) wrote: : <adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu> writes: : >Hello all - I recently took delivery of Cub'xWindow for my Next machine : >running NSFIP 3.2. I am trying to compile some X apps for it, but I seem : >to be having a problem using imake. Here is the message I get when : >trying to make fvwm (a window manager): : >In file included from /usr/lib/X11/config/Imake.tmpl:859, from :3: : >/tmp/IIf.011772:5: invalid preprocessor directive name : >/tmp/IIf.011772:6: invalid preprocessor directive name : >imake: Exit code 1. Stop. : Your problem is caused by the comment lines not starting at column : zero I think... It's related to the comment lines I know that because I : had the same problem with Co-Xist. when building fvwm... : Look for strange comment lines in the Imakefile. Well, not quite. Older version of imake expected comments to be delimited by a '#' in the first column (like a shell script). One can imagine that this caused portability problems, since some c pre-processors ignore lines that have a '#' and then a space, and some don't, etc. Later versions of imake expect comments to be delimited with 'XCOMM'. Change the comment lines to start with that, and you shouldn't get the error anymore. : fvwm is not _a_ window manager it's _the_ window manager :-) I'll buy that :-) -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Bill Woodward | Just another speedbump on wpwood@bga.com | the Information Superhighway Austin, TX, USA, Earth | Crack the Sky fan
From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStep's purity sacrifices commercial useability (Re: A question of interface) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 9 May 1994 13:20:12 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. Message-ID: <2qldac$2dk@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> References: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> Keywords: interface NeXTstep Originator: pww@bcarh355 In article <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz>, Kerry Guise <kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz> wrote: >Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, >launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible >to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without >using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). I agree that the lack of proper keyboard shortcuts is a significant weakness in NeXTStep. Others have responded that NeXTStep is a graphical interface, as if somehow that statement more than makes up for NeXTStep's problems. If I am working in a "state of flow", typing away (coding, writing documentation, what-have-you), having to break away to the mouse is a major break in my concentration. My carpal tunnels also suffer if I have to use the mouse too much. Advocates of "pure mouse" interfaces who fail to understand the need for keyboard alternatives spout dogma, and nothing more. Remember that in the real, commercial world, the customer pays for what they want, and that the customer determines what is right and what is wrong. If the customer (i.e. me) wants keyboard shortcuts, and your answer, or NeXT's answer, is simply "but it is a graphical mouse-based system", then the customer (i.e. me) will spend those dollars elsewhere. If you/NeXT want/s the customer to spend on NeXTStep, then you/NeXT will have to come up with more convincing arguments than simple mouse dogma. One of the reasons I dislike using the Mac, and the only thing I dislike about NeXTStep (so far), is the fact that I MUST use the mouse. Under VUE and tvtwm, I could very happily use the keyboard to navigate from one working window to another, as necessary. Navigation shortcuts were quickly absorbed into my subconscious, along with editor commands, etc. Forcing me to use the mouse forces me to break from that train of thought which allows me to work quickly and productively, doing what I want to do without having to think about how to do it. Note that I am using NeXTStep at work, where I have not had to pay for it myself. If I had to, don't know that I would. >Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb >in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to >the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the >keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been >addressed for NS on Intel). This is another major weakness in the UI, IMHO. Another poster indicated that NeXTStep is "document oriented", not "application oriented". Documents generally have a "page" concept, regardless of whether they are hardcopy or on-line. Interpretation of that concept is different, based on whether they are hardcopy or on-line, but the concept remains. An excellent example of how not to format documents for on-line viewing is found in UNIX man pages, where documents are always formatted for hardcopy, to the point that you see hardcopy page numbers on-line; page numbers are completely meaningless on-line. IMHO, an "on-line page" is a screenful, regardless of screen size. This allows the use (i.e. me) to set the "page" to an amount of data which can be scanned comfortably, with an amount of effort appropriate to the user. Page-up and Page-dowm keyboard shortcuts allow the user to work with the "pages" of information in a manner to which they have grown accustomed after years of working with hardcopy. There are those who will argue "butbutbutbut this is on-line! The page concept is irrelevant!". Perhaps. Nevertheless, take your dogma and spout it elsewhere. Those of us with real work to do aim to maximize our efficacy and efficiency. One aspect of this maximization is the desire to work in modes that we have mastered. If these modes interfere with our work, or cause us to be less effective or efficient than other, newer, modes, then we will recognize this and adapt. Those that would force particular interfaces and modes of work upon us for reasons of interface purity or interface concept theory are at best simply dogmatic, and at worst woefully naive of business concerns and hopelessly paternalistic. The purity of the user interface must always be second to its effective and efficient use by customers more concerned with maximizing accomplishements with respect to time and effort expended. As a final comment on "graphical interfaces", remember that not all computer users perceive their reality in visual terms. Purely graphical interfaces that make use of purely visual metaphors may tend to lose those users who perceive reality primarily through aural or kinesthetic metaphor. I would argue that the most vocal and vociferous among us in the development community are in fact visual perceivers; those of us who are visual perceivers tend to be impatient with the aural community, and frustrated with the kinesthetic community. Something to think about. dismissmals > /dev/null. pww -- Peter Whittaker [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~] Secure Networks pww@bnr.ca [ ] Bell Northern Research Ph: +1 613 765 2064 [ ] P.O. Box 3511, Station C FAX:+1 613 765 2854 [__________________________] Ottawa, Ontario, K1Y 4H7
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <CpJFJH.9q9@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2qjmrp$sv7@bones.et.byu.edu> <1994May9.082811.21947@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 13:45:16 GMT Paul Lynch (paul@seer.demon.co.uk) wrote: : There are a couple of different circumstances here. Firstly, if I am : principally typing, and requirement to switch to the mouse is a major : productivity loss. As a result, I would like to see a number of : document/application related tasks handled from the keyboard. These are : the standard ones that people ask for, like switching between windows, and : others. You can switch between visible windows using CMD-UPARROW and CMD-DOWNARROW. If you switch between _applications_, not document windows in the same app, you aren't typing anymore are you? : The other circumstance is the broken mouse/installation. There are times : when installing NeXTSTEP that I can't, without a lot of hassle, have a : mouse on the system. The installation routine should be able to handle : that. I agree on this... This has caught me more than once. : > ) Applications that use page-oriented documents should always have page : > ) up/down buttons along the bottom of the window. It is more intuitive : to : > ) have the scrollbox go where you clicked in the scroll, and leave page : > ) up/down to the buttons. : This may be my personal obsession, but GUIs are not intuitive! The may be : easy to learn, but there is nothing obvious about how to use a mouse. : What you (Chris and Kerry) are writing about is learned behaviour. Just : because your first GUI did it in a particular way doesn't mean that it is : the only right or 'best' behaviour. This is actually my fourth or fifth GUI, after QNX, MacOS, Windoze, X. When I say intuitive, I mean for the people who have not picked up 'intuition' from other GUIs. I have known many people (customers of my company, computerActive), who had never used a GUI before, and they are now almost as proficient as I in making things happen with the mouse. I had to get used to the interface when I started. I got caught a few times on the scroller thing at the beginning (as well as other things), but I have now decided it's more efficient. : I'd also like to say that I agree with Don, and other posters in this : thread. There are a number of clear cases where most people agree that : NeXTSTEP could be easily improved, at the appkit level. : These include recognition of PgUp/PgDn keys, Window scaling/zoom/maximise, : chnaging focus from the keyboard, and probably a whole load more that I : have missed. I agree on the PgUp/PgDn keys. I still think that Maximize should be an app-implemented option, not a NeXTSTEP Dev. feature. Maximize doesn't make sense for a lot of apps. Those that need it should implement it like SoftPC and Xoxeroids do with Full-screen mode. NeXT has plenty of room for improvement. But remember, if you want the Windoze GUI, buy Windoze (or better yet, a Mac) --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: slxn8@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Postsrcipt - ASCII Message-ID: <1994May9.084754.18526@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 May 94 08:47:54 MDT References: <mgs460.9.768207530@ku-eichstaett.de> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University > Is there any util for NS3.2 to convert Postscript files to ASCII ? > > Is it possible to drag'n'drop Postscript display ? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gerald. If you mean, get the text areas out of a PostScript file into an ASCII file... The only method(s) I know of doing this is with Tailor (From FirstClass). You select a group of text, and then paste that text into Edit. I think there may also be a GNU utility that might do it. ====================================================================== John Zollinger (NextMail Preferred) Programmer/Analyst ati06!obsidian!johnz@attati.attmail.com [Moore BCS - Logan, Utah] "Life is too important to take seriously." ======================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: Eduardo Ostertag Subject: NeXTstation freezing and/or panicking with NFS backup Message-ID: <1994May6.221140.18847@tolten.puc.cl> Sender: news@tolten.puc.cl (News Manager) Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 22:11:40 GMT I have a Non-Turbo NeXTstation connected via Ethernet to a network of heterogenous machines (Unixes and PCs). Each time we attempt to backup my hard disk via NFS from another Unix machine, the NeXT either freezes (no respond to <command>-<command>-~) or panics with an "unexpected kernel page fault failure" message. I have tried doing the same from various Unix machines (HPs, Suns, NCRs), but the result is the same. In fact, it seems this NeXTstation hates NFS. I once tried to use it as a File/Mail server and each time the load got high (lots of clients using the NeXTstation) the NeXT died. I have checked the hardware using a software tool sent to me by someone at NeXT (dvt040), but all tests finish successfully. I have checked the wiring and its OK. I have read all the docums I have access to (FAQ, NeXTanswer, Addison-Wesley docum on NeXT) but nothing helps. If I can't do backup then my NeXT will become the most expensive VT100 of my organization. Please, help!! and thanx in advance. NeXTstation configuration is: + NeXT ROM Monitor 2.2 v63 + NeXT Mach 3.1 Fri Apr 30 08:31:15 PDT 1993 + FPU version 0x40 + physical memory = 20.00 megabytes + using 126 buffers containing 0.98 megabytes of memory + Disk: SEAGATE ST11200N Rev 8770 (1GB capacity; 48% free) + Standard NeXT Printer + No other SCCI devices -Eduardo Ostertag (ostertag@macha.orden.cl)
From: Gary Palmer <pesky@scoob.xap.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,ca.unix Subject: Re: Setting up a home LAN with NEXSTEP/Unix Date: 9 May 1994 10:26:59 -0700 Organization: XAP Company, Inc. Sender: pesky@xap.com Distribution: ca Message-ID: <2qlrpl$c9b@baird.xap.com> References: <2qic19$479@crl.crl.com> <2qipqu$m29@portal.gmu.edu> In article <2qipqu$m29@portal.gmu.edu>, Christian Smith <csmith@blackplague.gmu.edu> wrote: >Ok, here is what you should do. Since the NeXT is using Slip to get to the >outside world, it has TWO network interfaces, call them slip0 and en0. Each >of these should have its own ip address. The slip0 interface will get its >ip from the slip server you connect to. The en0 interface will get its ip >address from /etc/hostconfig. Now, you have two choices Erm, I dunno much about NeXT, but FreeBSD (and other Unixes) can run quite happily with the SLIP i/f address set to the ethernet card address, since routing is done by the SLIP's destination address, not by it's local address (AFAIK). I can say this (with a bit of uncertainty) as the machine I am sending this from has a SLIP i/f to Netcom (designation 'sl0'), and a Ethernet i/f toa 10bT LAN (designated 'ed1'). Both have been ifconfiged to have the same local IP address, and a default route has been set to the gateway machine at the other end of the SLIP link, with the ifconfig for the ed1 card setting the route to the LAn correctly. Unless NeXT does things differently, only one IP address should be needed by the NeXT. Certainly, 2 (or more) IP addresses are needed for machines with multiple IP i/f's of a more traditional nature (ethernet, FDDI, etc), but I think most SLIP implimentations would fall over if the 'en0' and the 'sl0' were given separate IP addresses. *However* I could be wrong, but this setup works fine for us. >Choice one is easy, choice two involves setting routed on the next, and getting >you slip prrovider to set you up with a subdomaine, which they might or might >not be willing to do. I can't help you out to much with this one. Again, AFAIK, routed isn't needed unless there are multiple possible routes to the smae destination. All that is needed for SLIP is a default route entry, made just after the SLIP interface is brought up. Hope this help, and doesn't confuse anyone! BTW: Can anyone give more details of the Nutshell routing book, e.g. ISBN, etc? Thanks Gary
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cmaeda@cs.washington.edu (Chris Maeda) Subject: microkernel performance Message-ID: <1994May9.181412.26113@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle References: <UhmE4zW00WBOA1k1cJ@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 9 May 94 18:14:12 GMT In article <UhmE4zW00WBOA1k1cJ@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-May-94 Re: NextStep 3.3 >When? by Chris Maeda@cs.washingto >> On the Mach 2.x vs. Mach 3.0 thing: the Mach 3.0 kernel doesn't have >> code bloat problems. However, the OS emulation tends to execute more >> code than necessary and to have higher memory system overhead (due to >> context switches, poor cache locality, etc). [Check out Brad Chen's >> SOSP paper for a detailed explanation of this problem: anon ftp from >> mach.cs.cmu.edu in doc/published/os-memorysys.ps.] > >How recently have you checked up on this? My comment was based on >information from a grad student who was employed by the Speech project >until about 2 months ago, and who had done work earlier with the Mach >project. He still has/had pretty good connections with the people in >those groups. "Code bloat" was his exact wording. I work for the CMU Mach Project and I'm doing a dissertation related to microkernel OS performance. I said that the microkernel doesn't suffer from code bloat because * it's only 500-600k of program text on a mips-based decstation, which includes all device drivers, thread scheduling, ipc, vm, and a kernel debugger * the microkernel functionality like IPC is pretty fast * DEC Ultrix (vers 4.2A) kernels on the same hardware are much bigger (~2-5mb) The problem with microkernels is that the high level OS emulation tends to be slow. The Unix emulation on Mach 3.0 usually runs like a pig. I'm sure other systems with user-level OS servers have problems as well. On the other hand, these systems are very flexible, which is why systems like Workplace OS and Windows NT have user-level OS servers. Many people are looking at different techniques for making these systems faster. One technique is to load the OS server into the kernel at runtime. Another technique is to redesign the OS so that performance-critical parts are moved into the same protection domain as each application.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <1994May9.155134.5182@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 15:51:34 GMT In article <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: >Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: >: Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, >: launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible >: to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without >: using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). > >This is part of NeXT's interface philosophy. Keyboard hotkeys are a >convenience to speed things up, not the primary method of getting around. >Remember, this is a _graphical_ user interface. It is much more >intuitive to use the mouse, rather than the keryboard for stuff like that. This may be true for novices, but not for experienced users. An interface should be able to accomodate both styles of use. The mouse will probably come to be seen in the future as a bit of a red herring. :) It's a bit of a pain for the rest of us to be stuck with GUI designs that suit children and the computer illiterate. Actually I'd quite like point'n'click if only we had touch screens. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <1994May9.155429.5259@prim.demon.co.uk> Keywords: interface NeXTstep Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 15:54:29 GMT In article <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) writes: > >BTW, I heard a rumour that NeXT is thinking of doing away with dwrite's. Let's hope so. We should be using persistant objects instead (with the Controller object collecting up all the app-wide defaults). Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: User Group in Toronto? Message-ID: <CpJrCw.4I2@xexos.com> Sender: usenet@xexos.com Organization: Xexos Ltd (London) Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 18:00:32 GMT Whats NeXT life like in Toronto? We have 2 people opening an office for us there, and I'd like to put them in touch with the local NeXT life in town. I'd be grateful for any info. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: marcos@its.com (Marcos J. Polanco) Subject: Call for Participation: OPN Objectware Licensing Panel Discussion Message-ID: <1994May6.202834.8955@its.com> Sender: usenet@its.com Organization: Information Technology Solutions Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 20:28:34 GMT Call for Participation: OPN Objectware Licensing Panel Discussion ******************************************************************** It has often been stated that finding a solid licensing model for Objectware is one of the keys to the building of a vibrant marketpla ce in software components. The Objectware Licensing Panel Discussion, hosted by the Objectware Professionals Network between May 30 and June 10, 1994, will provide a forum where component software experts and NEXTSTEP developers may share their views on the kinds of licensing models and practices which best serve application developers, component software vendors, and, ultimately, users. Format: ******************************************************************** The Objectware licensing panel discussion will be carried out within an electronic mailing list where panel members will answer a series of prepared questions and engage each other in discussion. All participants will be able to listen in on the ongoing conversation. After the discussion is over there will be a Q & A session where the "floor" will be opened to all participants to engage each other or the panel members through the mailing list. There will be two questions posed to the panel for each of the three days of the panel discussion; the Q & A session will formally last for eight days after that. Panel members: ******************************************************************** Alex Cone: President, Objective Technologies, Inc. Dr. Brad Cox: Inventor of the Objective-C language. Kevin Berg: Senior Software Engineer, Pages, Inc. David Pollack: Founder, Athena Design, Inc. Don Yacktman: Organizer of the MiscKit shareware project. Mark Thomsen: Senior Developer, Gemstone Systems. Registration: ******************************************************************** To register for the panel discussion, send mail to: licensing-registration@dogen.persona.com with the line: register <your e-mail address> in the message. To unregister, send mail to the same address with the line: unregister <your e-mail address> in the message. If you are on the OPN mailing list you are already registered. Submitting questions: ******************************************************************** If you have a question about Objectware licensing you would like the panel members to respond to, send mail to: licensing-questions@dogen.persona.com with your question as the body of the message. The questions finally posed within the panel discussion will be selected from this pool of questions. Please enter your questions by May 20, 1994. Important dates: ******************************************************************** Deadline for question submittal: May 20, 1994 Panel Discussion dates: May 30, May 31, June 1, 1994 Question and Answer session: June 2 - June 10, 1994 Contact information: ******************************************************************** To register/unregister: licensing-registration@dogen.persona.com To provide feedback to OPN: licensing-feedback@dogen.persona.com To submit a panel question: licensing-questions@dogen.persona.com Thank you. - Marcos J. Polanco - marcos@whitelight.com
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dancing Bear phone #? Date: 9 May 1994 20:35:06 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2qm6pq$dsh@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Does anyone have the phone number for Dancing Bear ?? thanks Robert de Lucca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <1994May9.192143.713@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <CpJFJH.9q9@cunews.carleton.ca> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 19:21:43 GMT In article <CpJFJH.9q9@cunews.carleton.ca> csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) writes: > You can switch between visible windows using CMD-UPARROW and > CMD-DOWNARROW. If you switch between _applications_, not document windows > in the same app, you aren't typing anymore are you? Actually, you can't. You can bring windows to the front in this way, but you can't switch focus. The same old window stays key. > : This may be my personal obsession, but GUIs are not intuitive! The may be > : easy to learn, but there is nothing obvious about how to use a mouse. > : What you (Chris and Kerry) are writing about is learned behaviour. Just > : because your first GUI did it in a particular way doesn't mean that it is > : the only right or 'best' behaviour. > > This is actually my fourth or fifth GUI, after QNX, MacOS, Windoze, X. > When I say intuitive, I mean for the people who have not picked up > 'intuition' from other GUIs. I have known many people (customers of my > company, computerActive), who had never used a GUI before, and they are > now almost as proficient as I in making things happen with the mouse. It still isn't 'intuitive'. Easy to learn I can accept, but I'll reserve intuitive for more important things, like sex :-). > : NeXTSTEP could be easily improved, at the appkit level. > : These include recognition of PgUp/PgDn keys, Window scaling/zoom/maximise, > : chnaging focus from the keyboard, and probably a whole load more that I > : have missed. > > I agree on the PgUp/PgDn keys. > I still think that Maximize should be an app-implemented option, not a > NeXTSTEP Dev. feature. Maximize doesn't make sense for a lot of apps. > Those that need it should implement it like SoftPC and Xoxeroids do with > Full-screen mode. I'd still like to see some kind of zoom functionality (as opposed to maximise, which is tightly related to screen size) available to all apps. It is most relevant for Text objects, where the point size that is ideal for printing is illegible on screen, and one good to read on screen is too big when printed (see Pages for some good examples). However, I feel it should be available for all windows that use Postscript (i.e. all windows). Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: More NS/Intel Cluelessness Message-ID: <1994May9.193035.781@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <riddlerCpJ6CL.M4u@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 19:30:35 GMT In article <riddlerCpJ6CL.M4u@netcom.com> riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) writes: > 1) The mouse is really jerky. I've played around with my Prefs but to no > avail. The mouse seems to skip pixels and is really hard to control. > Also, double-clicking icons can be very painful. I keep getting aliases > or something just off-center of the icon I'm trying to double click. MS and Logitech mice are OK, the rest all suck to one extent or another. I suspect that you aren't using the best mouse. > 2) How do I log on as root on a non-networked machine straight out of the > box? I don't have a sys admin like the NeXT manuals keep referring to. It > seems like NeXT could at least rewrite parts of their manual instead of > dumpin the same manuals in the NS for Intel box when things like this are > being described. Use Librarian to access the manuals. You need to be able to log out of the me account, in order to log in to root. To do that, you have to give it a password (use the Preferences app). > 3) NeXT's manuals suck in my opinion. They only touch on things in a very > cursory manner and don't explain very essential things like #2 above. > They also don't say anything about modems. It's nice for all of us net > users who can access NeXTanswers, etc. but what about non-netters. They > would buy NS for about a grand, take it home, install it, and > be................hosed! Modems are handled in a Unix kind of way, which isn't very user friendly. Yes, there are some comms apps out there, but you need net access to find them. I get the impression that NeXT see the dial-up comms world as being rather passee, and nobody could possibly live without internet access (I must admit to feeling the same way, but not to such an exclusive extent). The manuals are pretty good, or at least the ones that you always used to get were. I think you still get a printed User Manual in the box. That should be enough to get you to find your way into Libraian. > 4) Does NS for Intel kind of seem like a Beta product or is it just me? There are some things not quite finished, I agree (installation process, drivers available, DOS support, etc), but I don't think you've been able to get far enough to find them :-). I suspect that you are feeling the overwhelming culture shock of learning a new OS. I can remember first using PC-DOS after CP/M (and other, much bigger, OSes). I get the same feeling, only much worse, using Windows or X; but this happens every time :-). Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: NeXTStep's purity sacrifices commercial useability (Re: A question of interface) Message-ID: <1994May9.193654.842@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2qldac$2dk@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 19:36:54 GMT In article <2qldac$2dk@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) writes: > In article <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz>, > Kerry Guise <kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > >Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, > >launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible > >to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without > >using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). > > I agree that the lack of proper keyboard shortcuts is a significant > weakness in NeXTStep. Others have responded that NeXTStep is a > graphical interface, as if somehow that statement more than makes up for > NeXTStep's problems. > > If I am working in a "state of flow", typing away (coding, writing > documentation, what-have-you), having to break away to the mouse is a > major break in my concentration. My carpal tunnels also suffer if I > have to use the mouse too much. I quite agree. [polemic deleted] > >Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb > >in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to > >the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the > >keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been > >addressed for NS on Intel). > > This is another major weakness in the UI, IMHO. Another poster > indicated that NeXTStep is "document oriented", not "application > oriented". Documents generally have a "page" concept, regardless of > whether they are hardcopy or on-line. Interpretation of that concept is > different, based on whether they are hardcopy or on-line, but the > concept remains. [a lot more polemic deleted] You sound like you missed the Alt-click on the scrollbar buttons. Accepting that usage involves mouse clicking, but the functionality is available. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
From: peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca (Peter Karbaliotis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 9 May 1994 22:24:41 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2qmd79$at2@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <1994May9.155134.5182@prim.demon.co.uk> In article <1994May9.155134.5182@prim.demon.co.uk> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: .. >and the computer illiterate. Actually I'd quite like point'n'click if only >we had touch screens. From the jargon file: gorilla arm n. The side-effect that destroyed touch-screens as a mainstream input technology despite a promising start in the early 1980s. It seems the designers of all those spiffy touch-menu systems failed to notice that humans aren't designed to hold their arms in front of their faces making small motions. After more than a very few selections, the arm begins to feel sore, cramped, and oversized; hence `gorilla arm'. This is now considered a classic cautionary tale to human-factors designers; "Remember the gorilla arm!" is shorthand for "How is this going to fly in *real* use?". -- Peter Karbaliotis - peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca - NeXTmail ok Seen on an Alberta (non-vanity) license plate: MMM-069.
From: gorgon@crl.com (Zach Copley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More NS/Intel Cluelessness Date: 9 May 1994 16:20:00 -0700 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [login: guest] Message-ID: <2qmgf0$oif@crl.crl.com> References: <riddlerCpJ6CL.M4u@netcom.com> Andy Riedel (riddler@netcom.com) wrote: : Any help on the following issues would be greatly appreciated: : 1) The mouse is really jerky. I've played around with my Prefs but to no : avail. The mouse seems to skip pixels and is really hard to control. : Also, double-clicking icons can be very painful. I keep getting aliases : or something just off-center of the icon I'm trying to double click. Get a logitech bus mouse. I had the same problem with a Microsoft mouse. With the MS mouse, the mouse cursor would blink when I moved it. With the Logitech mouse, everything is nice and smooth. The ghosting thing sounds like a low-memory symptom. How much RAM does your machine have, and what color-depth are you running NEXTSTEP with? See if changing to grayscale cures the problem. If it does, then you probably need more RAM to run NEXTSTEP in color properly. : 2) How do I log on as root on a non-networked machine straight out of the : box? I don't have a sys admin like the NeXT manuals keep referring to. It : seems like NeXT could at least rewrite parts of their manual instead of : dumpin the same manuals in the NS for Intel box when things like this are : being described. You have to give the "me" account a password with the preferences.app (double click the clock icon in the dock to get the preferences menu) and then logout. You should get a login window at that point. You login as "root", start up preferences again, and assign root a password. : 3) NeXT's manuals suck in my opinion. They only touch on things in a very : cursory manner and don't explain very essential things like #2 above. : They also don't say anything about modems. It's nice for all of us net Most of the documentation is in electronic form. Lots of things are discussed in depth. There is a section on modems. You can find it with the Digital Librarian program. You can also print the relevant sections out on a laser printer, and keep a notebook. : users who can access NeXTanswers, etc. but what about non-netters. They : would buy NS for about a grand, take it home, install it, and : be................hosed! Well, that's pretty dramatic. They might have an easier time if there were more printed documentation right out of the box though, I agree. Also, its not like net access is that expensive. I pay $17.50 a month flat for my access. : 4) Does NS for Intel kind of seem like a Beta product or is it just me? 3.1 did. But 3.2 seems very robust and solid. : 5) What are the best comm programs for NS/Intel out there? (perferrably : free/shareware) I would look at Tiptop, which is shareware, and Cables, which is commercial. Zach
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: microkernel performance Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 19:44:23 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4hngfLW00iUv4=fmlK@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994May9.181412.26113@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 9-May-94 microkernel performance by Chris Maeda@cs.washingto > The problem with microkernels is that the high level OS emulation > tends to be slow. The Unix emulation on Mach 3.0 usually runs like a > pig. I'm sure other systems with user-level OS servers have problems > as well. On the other hand, these systems are very flexible, which is > why systems like Workplace OS and Windows NT have user-level OS > servers. NEXTSTEP presumably requires the Unix emulation functionality. While the low levels of the Mach 3.x kernel probably still are quite efficient, that does not help when you have to include less efficient/bloated code for backwards compatibility reasons. I have heard that certain other areas, such as the terminal drivers, also become much less efficient under Mach 3.x as compared to Mach 2.5. I have no intention to disparge the Mach project or Mach 3.x, but on the other hand, people should be aware that Mach 3.x is usually not as fast or as efficient as the Mach 2.5-based kernel that NeXT currently uses, before they suggest that NeXT upgrade. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: tuyo@mumford (Mike M. Tuyo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Setting Up A Dial-In Modem Date: 10 May 1994 03:16:02 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2qmu9i$540@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I Would like to setup a modem on my NeXTStation '40 box, so I can dial into it when I'm not home. I've don't what the DigiLib said to do, but it doen't seem to work. I constantly see the send&recv lights flashing. Can anyone give me some assistance? I would really appreciate it. Mike Tuyo tuyo@mumford.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <1994May9.231210.1@nebula> From: itsmrwk@nebula.syscon.hii.com Date: 9 May 94 23:12:10 -0700 References: <ROBERT.94May3215740@steffi.demon.co.uk> <1994May9.083124.22015@seer.demon.co.uk> Organization: SYSCON Corporation I am in the process of getting a new system that will be able to run NeXTstep. I missed the start of this set of messages and am wondering if anyone has answered the question of when 3.3 will be out? What changes are in store? If I get NS now, (the student version), what is the upgrade path? -- Ron +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Ronald W. Kaltenbaugh SYSCON Corporation| |RKALTENBAUGH@SYSCON.HII.COM 1000 Thomas Jefferson St., NW| +(202) 342-4393 Washington, DC 20007+
From: acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can't get Mouse-X to work! Date: 10 May 1994 03:43:34 GMT Organization: Electrical Engineering Computer Teaching Labs Message-ID: <2qmvt6$3qe@wea.eel.ufl.edu> I'm having trouble getting the MouseX-X11R5 server to work on my color Turbo Nextstation. All the X11/bin, X11/lib files, etc. are installed correctly, and I'm launching X from the "Xfe.app" front end. The problem is that the video memory apparently isn't being mapped correctly... the top-left window that Xinit opens appears as a series of upward-right slanting diagonal bars (about 10 degree slope). I can start up clients fine, but the display is completely mangled! Moving the mouse cursor vertically also results in diagonal motion along these same slant lines... I've checked the "Turbo nextstation" box on Xfe's prefs. panel, but that seems to make no difference (same behavior as without). Any idea what's gonig on here? Thanks for your time... -- ______ \ / ////////////////////////////////////////////// \ / / Alexandra Griffin /// acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu / \/ ////////////////////////////////////////////// -- ______ \ / ////////////////////////////////////////////// \ / / Alexandra Griffin /// acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu / \/ //////////////////////////////////////////////
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sorta Re: FTP'ing and ftp.next.com Date: 10 May 1994 03:56:25 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Message-ID: <2qn0l9$rn2@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <QhnQg3C00iUzQ8Le9r@andrew.cmu.edu> This post is just to clear up some things like giving proper names to the programs aformentioned in this thread. I hope that it helps someone out ... Well, a couple of things. First, if the archive site is running ftpd instead of ftp, there are a lot of neat things that can be done ... like getting a whole directory -- just do a get on the directory, it will do the tar command on the directory; also by adding a .Z or .gz will get you a compressed and visa versa: leaving a .Z or .gz off a file that has one will send you an uncompressed copy. Also, newer ftp (including ftpd) will allow mget and mput with reg ex's, ie *?[] etc. Look at the readme's usually in the root --- better yet, take a look at the login mesg, it will usually tell you what ftp program they are running. Another point made about reading ascii files on line in an ftp session, standard ftp will not page a file for you. You must go ahead and download it to your file. You can only get this feature in ncftp by Mike Gleason, this ftp program is very nice. It allows viewing of ascii files on line in session using many favorite pagers ... you can use more, or page, etc., this, IMHO, is easier than _get README "|more"_ in the standard ftp. Also, there is pdir, that pages the ls -l listing of the current directory. If you'd like more info, scan the net ... it's they're there ... or drop me a line ...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: NeXTStep's purity sacrifices commercial useability (Re: A question of interface) Message-ID: <CpKn13.2w6@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <2qldac$2dk@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 05:24:39 GMT Peter Whittaker writes > One of the reasons I dislike using the Mac, and the only thing I dislike > about NeXTStep (so far), is the fact that I MUST use the mouse. If you prefer to avoid the mouse when possible, and perform a fair amount of work in a terminal window, then you should get Stuart.app from the ftp archives such as sonata.cc.purdue.edu. It is filled with keyboard shortcuts for scrolling, paging, switching between windows, uniconifying (sic), and will even let you switch the key window without clicking if you wish. its reasonably priced, stable, and can make a decent improvement in efficiency. there are other commercial terminal emulators for Intel I believe. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: Roland Telfeyan <telfeyan@eecs.umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Intel] problem with UltraScan monitor and #9GXE driver Date: 10 May 1994 07:39:56 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qndoc$7rd@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Using the configuration app, I've set my #9GXE to some high resolution and 72 MHz refresh rate and rebooted the computer, and now when NEXTSTEP should come up, I get a black screen instead. Everything was working just fine before I played with the settings. What files can I copy from the CDROM in single-user mode to set things straight again? Many thanks for any assistance!! Roland --------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Telfeyan Display Technology & Manufacturing telfeyan@eecs.umich.edu University of Michigan EECS Department ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 10 May 1994 02:36:35 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2qna1j$i84@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information Server comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers New Information --------------- Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information Server A product directory built around the World Wide Web system, this will allow full multimedia announcements by NEXTSTEP developers, as well as the ability to browse the available products for NEXTSTEP. This service is online now, and can be reached at http://digifix.digifix.com/ it can be reached using OmniWeb (available from ftp.omnigroup.com) or Mosaic. The entries are coming in quite quickly, and I'll be moving the entire NEXTSTEP Third Party Catalog contents in as soon as they become available. Additionally the NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server will be stocked full file files in the next week... you can get information on using the mail server at ns-products@digifix.com Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe The ftp sites ------------- cs.orst.edu: The main site for North American submissions nova.cc.purdue.edu: Lots of older stuff, but very short on disk space ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: In Germany. terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) and cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp.next.com: See the below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ------------------------------------- From the document 1000_Help from ftp.next.com Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, or you can transfer them by anonymous ftp. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. 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If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
From: gorgon@crl.com (Zach Copley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: kernext.486 problem Date: 10 May 1994 01:05:30 -0700 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [login: guest] Message-ID: <2qnf8a$dvl@crl2.crl.com> References: <riddlerCpJ4y7.K3D@netcom.com> Andy Riedel (riddler@netcom.com) wrote: : I just bought NextStep 3.2 for Intel and am trying to get access to my : NetCom account. I figured kermit would be a good start and used ftp to : get kernext.486 in binary mode from cs.orst.edu. I then downloaded the : file using a Windows comm program, rebooted under NS, and opened the file : from my DOS partition. I placed it in Local/Apps and renamed it to : kermit.app as per the README but when I try to launch the file, I get an : error telling me the file is damaged. : Does anyone know what the problem might be? Also, is this the easiest way : to go about getting access to the InterNet under NS for Intel? Sorry for : being so clueless but all of this stuff is pretty new to me. I think the file must have gotten damaged somehow. I got the same file, and it works fine for me. Try it again. Try ftping it to your netcom account, gziping it, downloading it to a floppy, and then booting NEXTSTEP, and then reading it off the floppy, and finally gunziping it. I think there are bugs with the way NEXTSTEP handles DOS partitions. I find that kermit is complicated and obtuse to use, and its not very good for accessing non-UNIX hosts (eg: a BBS)...but it is a nice solid program. I use tip, which comes with NEXTSTEP, for accessing my netcom account to do mail and news and stuff. To download things, you can use rzsz (z-modem) combined with Modulator, which is a comm program on the archives, which is great for downloading stuff, but not too great for terminal emulation. I would pay the author of Modulator a nice registration fee if he beefed up the program, as long as he released it as shareware (not crippleware). The trick with tip is to get your modem working properly with NEXSTEP. Then you setup your /etc/remotes file to tell NEXTSTEP about places to call (hosts), and you can make an /etc/phones file to store multiple numbers (pops) for NEXTSTEP to try. One you get it going it's pretty convenient because in any terminal.app window you can just type: tip netcom and it dials and connects. The VT100 Terminal emulations is great. Downloading stuff is kind of a pain, though. Someone really needs to write a good solid shareware terminal program for NEXTSTEP ala Telix, Procomm, Qmodem, Zterm, etc. I've played with TipTop, but I can't really evaluate it much because its crippleware. I mean, you can only download files that are under 2 minutes in length with that thing. The ANSI color terminal emulation is pretty much worthless on it too. I can't be sure about the rest of the program because it quits after about 10 minutes (you can sit there like a retard re-running it over and over again, if you wish). The program's "evaluation" mode is so annoying that even if everything worked perfectly, I still wouldn't buy it. What is it with all this crippleware in the NEXTSTEP world, anyway? I thought NEXTSTEP was supposed to make programming easier. There's a program called Cables that, from the ads for it, LOOKS pretty good, but it is really pricey. I'm not going to pay $300 for a terminal program no matter how great the platform it runs on is. I could probably buy a a 14.4 modem and a DOS machine and a DOS terminal program for that much! Once I get up to speed on NEXTSTEP/Unix programming, I will consider writing a terminal program, and maybe a BBS program, too. RoR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfr@trwlasd.com Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <CpKnAL.9zD@trwlasd.com> Sender: jfr@trwlasd.com (Jon Rosen) Organization: TRW References: <CpJFJH.9q9@cunews.carleton.ca> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 05:30:20 GMT Chris Saldanha writes > Paul Lynch (paul@seer.demon.co.uk) wrote: > > These are the standard ones that people ask for, like switching > > between windows, and others. > > You can switch between visible windows using CMD-UPARROW and > CMD-DOWNARROW. If you switch between _applications_, not document > windows in the same app, you aren't typing anymore are you? First of all, you can't even switch between windows with Cmd-Up and Cmd-Down. These only display other windows. It doesn't make those windows key or main. This is, IMHO, a weakness in the NeXTSTEP Cmd-key structure which could be solved trivially. Second, you certainly could be JUST TYPING and want to switch between apps. In fact, last night I spent a lot of time switching between Framemaker and Edit. Writing documentation in Frame and editing code in Edit, both of which are "just typing". Now, I personally prefer to use a mouse so this doesn't bother me. But I certainly could understand someone wanting to use just a keyboard. > I agree on the PgUp/PgDn keys. Me too. > I still think that Maximize should be an app-implemented option, not a > NeXTSTEP Dev. feature. Maximize doesn't make sense for a lot of apps. > Those that need it should implement it like SoftPC and Xoxeroids do with > Full-screen mode. No, this is NOT the same thing. Taking over the screen is necessary in some apps, but wanting to maximize a window is NOT the same as taking over the screen. Some examples of when I want to maximize a window are in Edit, Frame and Improv. Improv, particularly, cries out for the need to make the spreadsheet VERY large for a moment to see the "whole" thing and then shrink it down again. This is not zooming (making the font smaller). I want the relative typesize to stay the same. I just want to see more of my spreadsheet. Ditto for Edit and Frame although I could also make use of an "elongate/shrink" command that just made the vertical size greater and smaller (width is usually not so important in documents, just length). From another post: > > BTW, I heard a rumour that NeXT is thinking of doing away with > > dwrite's. > > I hope not... Just when we've had a slew of good graphical dwrite tools! Actually, the one criticism I have of dwrites (compared to X's .xrdb) is the lack of a hierarchical structure to the options. In NeXTSTEP, you either have a personal preference set or you get the application's default. In X, you can set up a set of .Xdefaults that are "nested" so that you can have the app's supplied defaults, a system-wide default database, a departmental default database and a personal default database. This provides a LOT of flexibility that is non-existent in NeXT. It is very hard to implement a good system-wide default mechanism in NeXT. It should be built-in to the product. After all, we are supposed to be moving towards workgroup computing, right? Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Christopher Lloyd - NOT THE ACTOR) Subject: Re: kernext.486 problem Message-ID: <CpKyoC.7HJ@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <riddlerCpJ4y7.K3D@netcom.com> <2qnf8a$dvl@crl2.crl.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 09:36:12 GMT In article <2qnf8a$dvl@crl2.crl.com> gorgon@crl.com (Zach Copley) writes: >There's a program called Cables that, from the ads for it, LOOKS pretty >good, but it is really pricey. I'm not going to pay $300 for a terminal >program no matter how great the platform it runs on is. I could probably >buy a a 14.4 modem and a DOS machine and a DOS terminal program for that >much! Heh. Cables is not $300. The price varies drastically dependant on what modules you purchase. We have a core product and "modules", purchased seperately, for additional terminal emulations. Sooo, we sell a low-cost comm. package, and high-quality emulators all based on the same core technology. The base product is about $100, and includes most of what you'd expect in a comm. package, VT102, file transfer, dialer, etc. The high-end emulations (VT320, IBM 3270, Data General, TI, soon HP) then plug into this base product at additional cost. I'll try to refrain from hype, but it would be negligent of me to not say it's rockin' app, and getting louder all the time. I will be putting a demo on the archives soon, probably within a week. In the meantime, info@yrrid.com. -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid, Inc. :: lloyd@yrrid.com lloyd@world.std.com :: :: I-i-i-i-i, i-i-I-I bl-a-a-a-ame NeXT. *cough* *cough* *gasp* ak ak ak ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <1994May10.032549.7767@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <2qjmrp$sv7@bones.et.byu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 03:25:49 GMT In article <2qjmrp$sv7@bones.et.byu.edu> don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) writes: > Note also that ALT-clicking on the scroll up/down buttons will scroll > by one "screenful", which although not necessarily a full page, is > perhaps more useful in a given interface. Page up/down buttons should > still be placed in the scroll bar, though. I *_LOVE_* the way clicking Having my arm in a sling for a while convinced me that ALT-clicking is just too inconvienent. There _should_ be a pure mouse way to page up/down. Even with my arm out of the sling, ALT-clicking is bothersome. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Love rlove@raptor.rmnug.org (NeXT Mail OK) BIX: rlove -----------------------------------------------------------------
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Postsrcipt - ASCII Date: 10 May 94 10:19:46 GMT Organization: IGD Darmstadt Message-ID: <neuss.768565186@batida> References: <mgs460.9.768207530@ku-eichstaett.de> mgs460@ku-eichstaett.de (GERALD GRASSMANN) writes: >Is there any util for NS3.2 to convert Postscript files to ASCII ? >Is it possible to drag'n'drop Postscript display ? >Thanks in advance. This is simply not possible, since postscript is a general programming language. You could write specific filters for specific postscript (like TeX dvips output, WordPerfect print jobs etc), but a general solution doesn't exist. You can, however use OCR. Don't laugh! This is what I do. With OCR Servant all you need to do is click on the file in the Worspace browser and hit Cmd-k. It's inexpensive and has great user support. You can get a demo from the archives. Cheerio, Chris -- "I ride a tandem with the random.." Christian Neuss # Fraunhofer Institute for Computer Graphics Wilhelminenstr.7 # 64283 Darmstadt # Germany e-mail: neuss@igd.fhg.de finger: neuss@wildturkey.igd.fhg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heller@attila.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Subject: NSI: -lMallocDebug on Intel broken? Message-ID: <1994May10.124452.22254@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 12:44:52 GMT Hello, I am currently working on changing some large program of mine to use malloc instead of static array bounds. It is some molecular dynamics code which uses PVM to parallelize on workstation clusters. I use MallocDebug.app to track down my leaks and errors. To do so, I have to link it with -lMallocDebug. So far so good. At home, on my BLACK NeXT everything works fine, just as it should be (NS3.2). However, at work, where we have a 486 with NSI (NS3.2), the program won't even start to run as soon as I link with -lMallocDebug! Without -lMallocDebug it runs just the same way as on black hardware, however, without -lMallocDebug I cannot use MallocDebug.app! Bummer!! Has anyone else experienced similar problems? Any hints on what to do?? Thanks, Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ FAX: +49-89-2394-4607 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: +49-89-2394-4565, -4562---------------------------------------------- Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University Institute for Medical Optics, Theoretical Biophysics Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <CpL61p.DsH@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Laboratory Information Services References: <1994May9.155134.5182@prim.demon.co.uk> <2qmd79$at2@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 12:13:34 GMT Peter Karbaliotis (peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca) wrote: : In article <1994May9.155134.5182@prim.demon.co.uk> dave@prim.demon.co.uk : (Dave Griffiths) writes: : .. : >and the computer illiterate. Actually I'd quite like point'n'click if : >only we had touch screens. : From the jargon file: : gorilla arm n. The side-effect that destroyed touch-screens as a : mainstream input technology despite a promising start in the early 1980s. : It seems the designers of all those spiffy touch-menu systems failed to : notice that humans aren't designed to hold their arms in front of their : faces making small motions. After more than a very few selections, the : arm begins to feel sore, cramped, and oversized; hence `gorilla arm'. : This is now considered a classic cautionary tale to human-factors : designers; "Remember the gorilla arm!" is shorthand for "How is this : going to fly in *real* use?". Yes, this is correct. I've got a kiosk system where, initially, the user had to stand with their arms out in front of them. Another problem is properly dealing with folks in wheel chairs. Several months ago some ergo-oriented graphic artists sat down and designed a kiosk that tried to deal with that. The touchscreen driver is available through Visus in Atlanta. Ask for Tom at 404 634-6335. peter -- Always looking for a handy place to nap... peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) peisch@snac.cfa.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shayman@Objectario.com (Steve Hayman) Subject: Re: User Group in Toronto? Message-ID: <1994May10.043326.457@objectario.com> Sender: shayman@objectario.com Organization: Steve Hayman + Associates / NeXTSTEP Consulting / Toronto References: <CpJrCw.4I2@xexos.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 04:33:26 GMT There's a small but somewhat enthusiastic NeXTSTEP community in Toronto. Our user group (TaNG - Toronto area NeXT Group) currently has informal agendaless meetings on an irregular basis. We met for dinner a month or so ago at a downtown restaurant (and were delighted that NeXT's Curt Griffin and John Karabaic were in town and were able to join us) and hope to continue this from time to time. We used to have more formal, monthly TaNG meetings with official agendas and presentations and even a newsletter but, well, I gotta be honest, it didn't really seem worth the effort to try to have a "structured" user group. So now we just hope to get together informally every couple of months just so everyone can keep in touch. I like it better this way! There's pressure to come up with a spectacular presentation to keep the crowd enthralled every single month. Anyone who's interested in knowing if/when TaNG schedules another one of these informal get-togethers should drop me or Dave Bruce (dbruce@gonzo.cis.uoguelph.ca) a note and we'll make sure you're on the mailing list. Regards, Steve -- Steve Hayman shayman@Objectario.com Steve Hayman & Associates, Toronto, Ontario (416) 769-8995 NeXTSTEP Consulting
From: william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PGP ? Date: 10 May 1994 14:41:42 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2qo6f6$rb0@agate.berkeley.edu> Does anybody know of a version of of PGP for NeXTs ? Bill Grosso
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gery@ares.fdn.org (Gery Divry) Subject: Re: Floor Plan drawing program wanted Message-ID: <1994May10.102042.10731@ares.fdn.org> Sender: news@ares.fdn.org Organization: Ares - Lyon, France. References: <2qk6tm$qcb@samba.oit.unc.edu> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 10:20:42 GMT In article <2qk6tm$qcb@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jason.Hunsaker@launchpad.unc.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes: :There is a feature in old (and maybe current) MacDraw programs that lets :one change the display rulers such that one can tell the program that one :inch equals 1 foot, one centimeter equals 30 meters, and so on. : :Is there a fairly decent program for NEXTSTEP or Windows that has this :capability? I used both Aldus Freehand and WordPerfect Presentations, and :neither of the versions I used have this feature. I need it so that I can :draw up some floor plans/architectural drawings. It makes things much :simpler than just arbitrarily deciding "okay, if I make one centimeter :equal to 100 feet, then I need to start at this point and go over to ... :hmmm ... somewhere in this general area ... I think ...." : :Do Virtouso, Illustrator, AutoCad, or anything else offer this? : :-- :Jason Hunsaker :-- :------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- : \ The above does not represent OIT, UNC-CH, laUNChpad, or its other users. / : ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello Yes the old fashion MacDraw was quite nice for quick drawing Many CAD programs change their mind now, they work as follow: You are drawing using an arbitrary units like feet, inches (in France we currently use the meter unit). and draw your blueprint using this units. it allow you to put dimentions easely. At the time of printing, you choose your scale .. 1/100, or 1/254 or 1/20 and the computer rescale the drawing depending of your printer. the result is a draw with a known scale factor. Autocad do that nicely ( except the user interface) on NEXTSTEP you can use: JessyCad (2D) aCADemy (2D) ZZVolume (3D) <;o)) Sincerely Gery DIVRY ( ZZVolume Daddy ) ARES Publisher 8, rue Victor Lagrange Phone: (+33) 72 80 16 30 69007 LYON Fax: (+33) 72 80 16 32 France Email: gery@ares.fdn.org Earth, Solar System, Galaxy MW1 NeXT Mail accepted
From: jdsmith@novell.com (Doug Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Modem cable? Date: 10 May 1994 14:52:35 GMT Organization: Novell, INC Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qo73j$rgs@gilligan.npeg.provo.novell.com> Can anyone tell me where I can obtain a modem cable for my 040 slab? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug Smith Internet: jdsmith@novell.com Novell, INC phone: (801) 429-7324 122 E. 1700 S. C-11-1 Provo, UT 84606
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu(Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PGP ? Date: 10 May 1994 16:53:23 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C., USA Message-ID: <2qoe63$n2a@news.duke.edu> References: <2qo6f6$rb0@agate.berkeley.edu> William E. Grosso writes > > > Does anybody know of a version of of PGP for NeXTs ? PGP is just PGP, which you compile from the source included with the PGP package. You might be thinking of an app with a NeXTSTEP interface for PGP, however, and yes, that's available. Check out cs.orst.edu: /pub/next/sources/misc/NXPGP1.0.1.tar.Z. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
From: don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 10 May 1994 18:00:26 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qoi3q$apd@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <CpKnAL.9zD@trwlasd.com> jfr@trwlasd.com writes ) Actually, the one criticism I have of dwrites (compared to X's .xrdb) is ) the lack of a hierarchical structure to the options. In NeXTSTEP, you ) either have a personal preference set or you get the application's ) default. In X, you can set up a set of .Xdefaults that are "nested" so ) that you can have the app's supplied defaults, a system-wide default ) database, a departmental default database and a personal default database. ) This provides a LOT of flexibility that is non-existent in NeXT. It is ) very hard to implement a good system-wide default mechanism in NeXT. It ) should be built-in to the product. After all, we are supposed to be ) moving towards workgroup computing, right? Well, the MiscKit Preferences/Defaults system I am working on will support all that and much, much, more. All from IB, too! Once I finish there will be no excuse for anyone to use anything less, seeing as the MiscKit is free and comes with source, right? :-) IMHO, NeXT doesn't have to do _everything_ and this is a case where there is no reason we can't roll up our sleeves and dig in. (Granted, the "global" part of the heirarchy would be cleaner if built into NS already, but still...) -- Later, -Don Yacktman Don_Yacktman@byu.edu
From: don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 10 May 1994 18:04:01 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qoiah$au9@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <1994May10.032549.7767@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Robert B. Love writes ) In article <2qjmrp$sv7@bones.et.byu.edu> don@darth.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) ) writes: ) > Note also that ALT-clicking on the scroll up/down buttons will scroll ) > by one "screenful", which although not necessarily a full page, is ) > perhaps more useful in a given interface. Page up/down buttons should ) > still be placed in the scroll bar, though. I *_LOVE_* the way clicking ) ) Having my arm in a sling for a while convinced me that ALT-clicking ) is just too inconvienent. There _should_ be a pure mouse way to ) page up/down. Even with my arm out of the sling, ALT-clicking is ) bothersome. Yes, I am fully aware of this consideration, and the text I wrote which you quoted even implies this. I repeat: ) > Page up/down buttons should ) > still be placed in the scroll bar, though. Just like good ol' WriteNow, which had scroll and paging buttons. In fact, there should also be a keyboard way to do this. On Intel, there _are_ page up/down keys. Why on earth aren't they used?!? Of course, since black HW doesn't have the keys, some other alternative ought to show up. Maybe ALT-up/down arrow? I dunno... -- Later, -Don Yacktman Don_Yacktman@byu.edu
From: heinlein+@pitt.edu (David S Daniel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Need Info Date: 10 May 1994 19:37:23 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Message-ID: <2qonpj$h6b@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Hi all, I was hoping someone out there would be able to give me some names and/or phone #'s of some educational software vendors. Particularly any that might have software which computerizes exam taking. Any help with ideas for finding such companies would also be appreciated. Thanks, David D. e-mail: heinlein+@pitt.edu
From: diana@lusty.tamu.edu (Diana) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 10 May 1994 20:12:03 GMT Organization: None Message-ID: <2qopqj$487@news.tamu.edu> References: <1994May10.032549.7767@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <2qoiah$au9@bones.et.byu.edu> In article <2qoiah$au9@bones.et.byu.edu>, Don Yacktman <Don_Yacktman@byu.edu> wrote: > >I repeat: >) > Page up/down buttons should >) > still be placed in the scroll bar, though. > >Just like good ol' WriteNow, which had scroll and paging buttons. Good ol' WriteUp does this ;) >In fact, there should also be a keyboard way to do this. On Intel, >there _are_ page up/down keys. Why on earth aren't they used?!? >Of course, since black HW doesn't have the keys, some other alternative >ought to show up. Maybe ALT-up/down arrow? I dunno... And good ol' WriteUp also does this, though I have to take their word for it on the page up/down since I'm still running 3.1 and NeXT didn't even hook up anything to those keys for Intel back then. Diana just spouting useless trivia -- "The way we are, we are members of each other. All of us. Everything. The difference ain't in who is a member and who is not, but in who knows it and who don't." - Wendell Berry, Kentucky Farmer & Writer -
From: Jason.Hunsaker@launchpad.unc.edu (Jason Hunsaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Floor Plan drawing program wanted Date: 10 May 1994 22:13:46 GMT Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. Message-ID: <2qp0uq$cel@samba.oit.unc.edu> References: <2qk6tm$qcb@samba.oit.unc.edu> <1994May10.102042.10731@ares.fdn.org> In article <1994May10.102042.10731@ares.fdn.org>, Gery Divry <gery@ares.fdn.org> wrote: > Jason.Hunsaker@launchpad.unc.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes: >> There is a feature in old (and maybe current) MacDraw programs >> that lets one change the display rulers such that one can tell >> the program that one inch equals 1 foot, one centimeter equals >> 30 meters, and so on. >> >> Is there a fairly decent program for NEXTSTEP or Windows that >> has this capability? I used both Aldus Freehand and WordPerfect >> Presentations, and neither of the versions I used have this feature. >> I need it so that I can draw up some floor plans/architectural >> drawings. [...] > Yes the old fashion MacDraw was quite nice for quick drawing > > Many CAD programs change their mind now, they work as follow: > > You are drawing using an arbitrary units like feet, inches > (in France we currently use the meter unit). and draw your > blueprint using this units. It allow you to put dimentions easely. > > At the time of printing, you choose your scale .. 1/100, or 1/254 > or 1/20 and the computer rescale the drawing depending of your > printer. The result is a draw with a known scale factor. > > Autocad do that nicely ( except the user interface) > > on NEXTSTEP you can use: > JessyCad (2D) > aCADemy (2D) > ZZVolume (3D) <;o)) One other feature of the old MacDraw program was that it would autosize lines. In other words, you set your ruler to one inch = six feet, draw a line, and the program inserted a bit of text in the middle of the line indicating how long the line was in feet. Do any of the programs you mentioned above, or any other programs support this kind of thing? -- Jason Hunsaker -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ The above does not represent OIT, UNC-CH, laUNChpad, or its other users. / ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Re: Setting Up A Dial-In Modem Message-ID: <CpM2Ex.BuH@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <2qmu9i$540@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 23:52:48 GMT In article <2qmu9i$540@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> tuyo@mumford (Mike M. Tuyo) writes: > I Would like to setup a modem on my NeXTStation '40 box, so I can > dial into it when I'm not home. I've don't what the DigiLib said to > do, but it doen't seem to work. I constantly see the send&recv lights > flashing. Can anyone give me some assistance? I would really > appreciate it. > Set your modem to default auto-answer mode and also set it to not respond or echo back commands. The just set up a tty on the port you have the modem on in the /etc/ttys file, should work
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Douglas Moore Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <CpJE9z.Frx@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <2qk47k$4u6@umd5.umd.edu> Distribution: World Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 13:16:09 GMT In article <2qk47k$4u6@umd5.umd.edu> bchin@is-next.umd.edu (Bill Chin) writes: > Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: > : Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb > : in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to > : the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the > : keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been > : addressed for NS on Intel). > > Proportional scrollbars is a *feature*. Page Up/Down should be handled > by the individual application and not an OS level feature. Many > word processing programs have page up and page down built into their > UI's. Some provide keyboard equivalents. Try alternate clicking in the scroll bar. -- Douglas Moore St Paul, MN 612-227-3274 dmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu <---NeXTMail ready
From: tyler@dbkit.com (Tyler Gingrich) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3rd Party Gecko Memory?? Date: 11 May 1994 02:46:59 GMT Organization: OARnet Message-ID: <2qpgv3$hvd@ns.oar.net> Anybody found a 3rd party source for Gecko memory strips?? I'm pretty sure my 712/60 needs 8, 16, or 32Mb 70ns ECC 72-pin strips. As you can imagine, the HP list price is "too hot to handle". :-) --- Tyler Gingrich Vanguard Software, Corp.
From: sw@dannug.dk (soren wang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 10 May 1994 19:54:49 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <2qooq9$8v4@danmeasure.dannug.dk> References: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> In article <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) writes: > Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, > launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible > to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without > using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). > Have these features been added in later releases (or perhaps intended for > NS 3.3 ?). Have you tried using command-arrow up/down, this should do a bit of "paging" between all your apps that you have running. > Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb > in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to > the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the > keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been > addressed for NS on Intel). Try placing your mouse on the little up/down linefeeders at the bottom of the scrollbar, then hold down alternate and click your mouse! There are many of those little tricks in your NeXT, just try and find them, and may I add: They have been there for years !! Take care, have fun sw@dannug.dk Soren
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tip on Indexing NA.compressed (NeXTanswers) Date: 11 May 1994 03:42:28 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qpk74$1nl@usenet.rpi.edu> If you have lots of free disk space available (over 40meg), you might want use anonymous ftp to ftp.next.com to pick up the file pub/NeXTanswers/NA.compressed. This includes all kinds of useful information (probably more than you really need to have, unless you support several NeXTSTEP users). The file itself takes up over 16meg. When you uncompress and untar it, you'll end up with over 22meg of files (which means that for a short period of time you need almost 40meg of disk space available). There is an .index.store file in the directory that is created from uncompressing all this. Thus, you might want to have it as a target for Digital Librarian. When you try this, you will find three things: 1. the .index.store file increases to over 2.4meg 2. you'll get some error messages on the console (if you watch the console) about "cannot filter file". 3. *every* time you do a search on this target in digital librarian, it goes off checking all the files in the collection. To alleviate those problems, I suggest: For the following list of files: 1000_Help 1001_Master_Index Software_and_Tools/MiniExamples/DatabaseKit/1240_DatabaseKit_README Software_and_Tools/MiniExamples/AppKit/1262_AppKit_README Software_and_Tools/MiniExamples/NetInfoKit/1265_NetInfoKit_README Software_and_Tools/MiniExamples/IndexingKit/1268_IndexingKit_README NEXTSTEP_In_Focus/InFocusSpring1993/Supplemental_Files/1335_makefile NEXTSTEP_In_Focus/InFocusSpring1993/Supplemental_Files/1336_sample_profile General_NeXT_Information/User_Groups/1562_US_NeXT_User_Groups_4-94 General_NeXT_Information/User_Groups/1563_International_NeXT_User_Groups_4- 94 General_NeXT_Information/NEXTSTEP_Expo/1549_NEXTSTEP_Expo_Guide 1119_NeXTanswers_News-940131 Change the filenames so they have a suffix of ".ReadMe" (note the period there). This seems to solve the "cannot filter file" thing, though there is probably a smarter solution to that. Then "cd" into the directory, and type the commands: rm .index.store ixbuild -s -S/usr/dict/connectives . chmod go+r .index.store This will build a new index, one which is static (so it won't be checked on every search), and one which won't include some very common words (like "the" -- how many times you do want to find all documents which contain the word "the"?). By doing this, the index is more like 1.3meg instead of 2.4meg. It wouldn't surprise me if there were things one could do to reduce this even further. The drawback of this is that the index is indeed static. So, if you update this directory by picking up any new files from ftp.next.com, you'll want to rebuild the index by hand. If you don't, the index won't know about the new files (and it won't know if you remove files, either). footnote for those interested: There's a new version of the compatibility listings available now (revised May 8th). The postscript version is file: 1002_3.2_Hardware_Compatibility_Guide.ps in directory: pub/NeXTanswers/Files/Hardware_Compatibility_Guides at ftp.next.com. Note that the plain-text version may not be up-to-date with the postscript one. Also note that you might want to cross-check the info for specific devices with other NeXTanswer files. For instance, the configuration info for the miroCrystal 32S video card in the current Compatibility Guide does not match the info in NeXTanswer #1486. The miroCrystal 32S displays up to 1024 x 768 in 32-bit color, but the Guide says it only does 800 x 600 in 32-bit mode. Looks like a minor mixup. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Richard.Smyth@launchpad.unc.edu (Richard Smyth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help with ispell-3.1 Date: 11 May 1994 04:42:28 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Message-ID: <2qpnnk$n2q@samba.oit.unc.edu> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ The above does not represent OIT, UNC-CH, laUNChpad, or its other users. / ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose) Subject: Re: NeXTStep's purity sacrifices commercial useability (Re: A question of interface) Message-ID: <1994May10.051512.21496@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <2qldac$2dk@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 05:15:12 GMT Peter Whittaker writes: > If I am working in a "state of flow", typing away (coding, writing > documentation, what-have-you), having to break away to the mouse is a > major break in my concentration. My carpal tunnels also suffer if I > have to use the mouse too much. I agree. It doesn't make any sense that window focusing and other interface features should rely solely on a mouse for triggering. The mouse simply doesn't have the bandwidth that a keyboard has - it cannot accept as much information from the user as a keyboard. Using emacs keybindings to cut and paste regions of information is often more fluid than using a mouse to do such. Both interfaces should be given maximum control hooks into the operating system i.e. arrow key control of the cursor, keyboard triggered window focusing.... Christopher Penrose penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu
From: captain@arsenal.com (Andrew T. Foster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP Support WWW Server Date: 11 May 1994 06:29:59 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Message-ID: <2qpu17$47h@news.doit.wisc.edu> Howdy, For those using OmniWeb (NeXTSTEP WWW Client) or Mosaic (under X- bleagh) there is an interesting WWW site at "http://support.mayfield.hp.com/". Digging through a section for future software and coming products, I found no mention of NeXTSTEP for the 712, 715, etc. Unfortunate, but still an interesting site. For those who are students interested in purchasing HP machines running NEXTSTEP, I came across and HP ad in a student paper today offering a 35% discount on the hardware. Not too bad! Developers get 40%. The price of a 712 with a color 16" monitor, 16megs RAM, 250meg HD was in the ballpark of $3,300. Of course, this did not include the price of NS. Lets hope the academic price of $239 adheres across all hardware lines. Later! - C -- _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Knight Enterprises - A Film/Video Production Company _/_/_/ C. Knight - captain@arsenal.com _/_/_/ (608) 251-5522 _/_/_/ (608) 251-5727 FAX _/_/_/
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3rd Party Gecko Memory?? Date: 11 May 1994 07:21:06 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May11082106@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2qpgv3$hvd@ns.oar.net> To: tyler@dbkit.com (Tyler Gingrich) In-reply-to: tyler@dbkit.com's message of 11 May 1994 02:46:59 GMT <tyler@dbkit.com> writes: >Anybody found a 3rd party source for Gecko memory strips?? >I'm pretty sure my 712/60 needs 8, 16, or 32Mb 70ns ECC 72-pin strips. >As you can imagine, the HP list price is "too hot to handle". :-) >--- >Tyler Gingrich >Vanguard Software, Corp. So you've bought a gekko? Hopefully it's like like SGI and vendor only RAM. -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tip on Indexing NA.compressed (NeXTanswers) Date: 11 May 1994 07:23:59 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May11082359@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2qpk74$1nl@usenet.rpi.edu> To: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) In-reply-to: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu's message of 11 May 1994 03:42:28 GMT And if you don't have the space but would like to still be able to mirror selective trees then go get mirror from src.doc.ic.ac.uk in their "archiving" area. It's a perl script that allows you to mirror a remote tree via ftp. A must have perl script. The exact name is "mirror-2.3.tar.gz" (the gz might be my doing) I currently uses this to mirror the MiniExamples. -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: david@smobject.com (David Vazquez) Subject: Re: where is benatong? internet address Message-ID: <1994May11.133859.27981@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: SmartObject Technologies, Inc. References: <1994May6.010453.12253@vlsi.polymtl.ca> Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 13:38:59 GMT Jean-Marc Heneman (jmh@info.polymtl.ca) wrote: : I want to send a mail to BenaTong, the designer of PowerGuardian! : What is the internet address? : the old address is benatong@cypher.cmhnet.org, but it bounces! The documentation I have here says its "info@benatong.com", but when I sent mail there about a month (or so) ago, it bounced too. -David Vazquez "david@smobject.com"
From: hubert@arles.univ-rennes1.fr (Hubert Philippe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP: EPS NEXT <-> EPS MAC Date: 11 May 1994 14:13:11 GMT Organization: Universite de Rennes 1, France Message-ID: <2qqp5n$8e3@news.univ-rennes1.fr> Does anyone know how to import a NeXT Postscript file ( .EPS or .PS ) in an Apple Mac Application like Word or PowerPoint. Thank you in advance. Philippe. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ [ ..NEXTSTEP is probably the most respected piece of Software ] [ of the planet.. ] [ BYTE MAGAZINE ] +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ [ HUBERT Philippe - Software Engineer ] [ e-mail : hubert@arles.univ-rennes1.fr - NeXTMail - ] +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to run terminal windows white-on-black; default font Q. Date: 11 May 1994 17:19:10 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. Message-ID: <2qr42e$3o5@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> As per the subject line: what must I do to run Terminal.App windows white-on-black? If the answer is RTFM, which M? Also, how do I tell Terminal.App to use a font size other than the default, for all windows? So far, I've been using "Font, Larger" on the "Terminal" menu to increase the font size to that which I like; I'd prefer it if Terminal.App would remember my preferred font size from one invocation to the next. If RTFM, which M? Thanks, pww -- Peter Whittaker [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~] Secure Networks pww@bnr.ca [ ] Bell Northern Research Ph: +1 613 765 2064 [ ] P.O. Box 3511, Station C FAX:+1 613 765 2854 [__________________________] Ottawa, Ontario, K1Y 4H7
From: mike_foltz@sgate.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is the benchpress.app?? Date: 11 May 1994 19:23:59 GMT Organization: Southgate Internet Host Message-ID: <2qrbcf$59j@waco.sgate.com> To all: Thanks in advance... Does anybody know where I can find the benchpress.app? Thanks, Mike Foltz foltzmik@sgate.com 703-803-8361
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: Re: Janus CD References: <1994Apr20.204928.4472@trddsk.com> <2p7tev$8ip@news.iastate.edu> <YhmFE5uSMUYQ8EJwBV@transarc.com> Organization: German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 17:30:19 GMT Message-ID: <1994May11.173019.27544@proximus.north.de> I didn't follow the thread, but did ANYONE at all receive the 2nd cd? Me not... :-((((((((( Gerhard. -- +--< principiis obsta! >------------------< PGP key available on request >--+ N Gerhard Moeller, Teichstr. 12, 26122 Oldenburg (FRG) [*: 02/21/1968] N e Private: gemoe@proximus.north.de Phone (voice): +49-441-75520 e X Uni: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE NeXTmail X T Z-Net: Gerhard.Moeller@uniol.zer encouraged! T +-> NoGeNUG - Northern German NeXT User Group: NoGeNUG@proximus.north.DE <-+
From: lestat@cs.utexas.edu (Faizel Dakri) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is the benchpress.app?? Date: 11 May 1994 21:33:05 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Message-ID: <2qriuh$hbc@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <2qrbcf$59j@waco.sgate.com> In article <2qrbcf$59j@waco.sgate.com> mike_foltz@sgate.com writes: > Does anybody know where I can find the benchpress.app? > > Thanks, > > Mike Foltz > foltzmik@sgate.com > 703-803-8361 I just got it from uhoop.egr.uh.edu last night. It's located in the /pub/misc/BenchMarks/ directory. Later, Faizel lestat@cs.utexas.edu
From: slxn8@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: EPS NEXT <-> EPS MAC Message-ID: <1994May11.142740.18846@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 May 94 14:27:40 MDT References: <2qqp5n$8e3@news.univ-rennes1.fr> Organization: Utah State University In article <2qqp5n$8e3@news.univ-rennes1.fr>, hubert@arles.univ-rennes1.fr (Hubert Philippe) writes: > Does anyone know how to import a NeXT Postscript file ( .EPS > or .PS ) in an Apple Mac Application like Word or PowerPoint. > > Thank you in advance. > > Philippe. The Mac shouldn't have any trouble importing NeXT generated EPS files. NEXTSTEP does not need a preview image in the EPS file like the Mac does, so when you import the file into your Mac you will get nothing but a box, probably with the file name in it. It will still print out just fine...the limited Mac display is the problem. I do not know of any NEXTSTEP applications that can stick a preview image into the EPS file though. Now you can see why NEXTSTEP users laugh when a Mac person says that the Mac is WYSIWYG. Ha! ====================================================================== John Zollinger (NextMail Preferred) Programmer/Analyst ati06!obsidian!johnz@attati.attmail.com [Moore BCS - Logan, Utah] "Life is too important to take seriously." ======================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Dave@NexusAdmin.COM(David W. Fahrney) Subject: Re: IDE boot block Message-ID: <Cpo0op.7Et@nexusadmin.com> Sender: dave@nexusadmin.com (David W. Fahrney) Organization: Nexus Administration References: <2qf6ce$fft@cs.umb.edu> Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 01:12:24 GMT Stephen Halpin writes !> Gretings... I just aquired NeXTstep and a 545MB Conner IDE drive to !> run NeXTstep on my PC. I first used the real drive geometry (1057 !> cylinders) whereupon NeXTstep would only attempt to partitiion the drive !> as a 16MB volume. I reconfigured my BIOS settings for 1023 cyliners, !> and NeXTstep happily installed in a 503MB partition. The problem is, !> when I reboot, I get the NeXTstep boot statement (bootlaoder 1.28 etc..) !> and the system hangs with the IDE access light on. I then booted a DOS !> floppy and repartitioned the drive for DOS, and Im finding that if I try !> to read stuff off the disk the drive hangs in the accessing mode. Not !> only that, but I cant seem to get rid of the NeXT boot block, even with !> a full install of DOS 5.0. Does anyone know who I can get rid of the NS !> boot block and start with a simple DOS boot block, and does anyone have !> any idea why an IDE drive wont read correctly after this sequence of !> events? (The problem is I never actually installed DOS to test the !> drive, so Im not sure if the drive was hosed to start or the NS install !> did something wierd. As I have zero information on IDE, I dont even !> know what damage is possible from software.. -Steve To remove the NEXTSTEP boot block, boot your computer and type C: fdisk /mbr this will rewrite the boot sector. -- David W. Fahrney =:-) Nexus Admin. VOX: 310.640.3342 INT: Dave@NexusAdmin.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <CpoD2G.EAD@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <1994May10.032549.7767@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <2qoiah$au9@bones.et.byu.edu> <2qopqj$487@news.tamu.edu> Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 05:39:51 GMT Diana (diana@lusty.tamu.edu) wrote: : >Just like good ol' WriteNow, which had scroll and paging buttons. : Good ol' WriteUp does this ;) : >In fact, there should also be a keyboard way to do this. On Intel, : >there _are_ page up/down keys. Why on earth aren't they used?!? : >Of course, since black HW doesn't have the keys, some other alternative : >ought to show up. Maybe ALT-up/down arrow? I dunno... : And good ol' WriteUp also does this, though I have to take their : word for it on the page up/down since I'm still running 3.1 and : NeXT didn't even hook up anything to those keys for Intel back then. You know, I have to say that every page-oriented document program I've ever used had page up/down on the bottom of the document window. On the issue of PageUp / PageDown keys on Intel keyboards... Put in a suggestion using BugNeXT.app. I have. If we all do it, maybe they'll listen... It's what BugNeXT is for... I think that PgUp/PgDn keys should simulate ALT-clicking on the up and down arrows of the scroll bar. (this does a 'screen' up, rather than a page up, but is appropriate for all text objects, whether page-oriented or not. ie Edit, Terminal...) --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Intuitive's Cub'XWindows vs. Pencom's co-Xist Date: 12 May 1994 05:49:17 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2qsg0t$dc4@Times.Stanford.EDU> A few comments on the two major X programs for NEXTSTEP based on my impressions from a few days of using the demo versions of each. - co-Xist explicitly says it supports 32-bit color, while Cub'X doesn't. Does Cub'X NOT support 32-bit color under it's "Native" mode? It's hard to tell from reading the on-line help, and I don't have time to test extensively. - The demo versions are hard to test because they don't come with the full font distribution, but I believe you should be able to get the rest of the fonts by ftp from MIT since they are public. Then you just have to figure out where to put them. - I couldn't get the latest version of Cub'X to run at all without exiting immediately. It's demo version is crippled to only support a certain number of X events and then exit, but it seems to exit on me immediately with the demo message no matter which of the 4 integration modes I try. A previous version of the demo (supplied on the 3rd party sampler CD with NEXTSTEP) worked in the completely-separate mode only. - I can't seem to find a statement about how co-Xist's demo version was crippled, nor do I notice anything while running the program other than missing fonts which clues me in as to what the crippling is. -Karl Note, I'm running NS/Intel versions of each.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: How to run terminal windows white-on-black; default font Q. Message-ID: <CpoDEK.EJn@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2qr42e$3o5@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 05:47:08 GMT Peter Whittaker (pww@bnr.ca) wrote: : As per the subject line: what must I do to run Terminal.App windows : white-on-black? If the answer is RTFM, which M? : Also, how do I tell Terminal.App to use a font size other than the : default, for all windows? So far, I've been using "Font, Larger" on the : "Terminal" menu to increase the font size to that which I like; I'd : prefer it if Terminal.App would remember my preferred font size from one : invocation to the next. If RTFM, which M? Try the preferences panel in Terminal.app You can pick the default font family (must be a monospaced font) and size, there. I don't know of a way to change the colours, but I'd love to know, too, if it can be done... The Stuart terminal emulator will let you set colours, I'm told. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: the OpenStep specification...where/how? Date: 12 May 1994 05:58:20 GMT Organization: The University of Waikato Message-ID: <2qsghs$15t5@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> References: <1994May9.000648.12998@math.toronto.edu> In article <1994May9.000648.12998@math.toronto.edu> ajones@math.toronto.edu (Albin L. Jones) writes: > does the OpenStep open specification exist yet? There's some interesting info (including the papers OpenStep_and_Solaris.ps and OpenStep_Portability.rtfd) at the URL : http://digifix.digifix.com/index.html Kerry
From: kunkee@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (Randy Kunkee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [Q] A few questions about NS486 Date: 12 May 1994 00:55:37 -0500 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Message-ID: <2qsgcp$e3u@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> References: <2n24uj$eof@news.tamu.edu> <1994Mar27.085455.4246@seer.demon.co.uk> In article <1994Mar27.085455.4246@seer.demon.co.uk>, Paul Lynch <paul@seer.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In article <2n24uj$eof@news.tamu.edu> root@neuromancer.tamu.edu (bossMan) >writes: >> 3. Will a Adaptec 1510/Texel CD-ROM combo work? > >No, 1510 is not supported (I haven't tried it, though). > >Paul I tried a Texel (two different models) and neither worked with my Adaptec 1542B. Got myself a Toshiba 3401B and it's working great. -- Randy Kunkee Houston, TX 713-870-1334 kunkee@sugar.neosoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cbradley@bozell.com (Chris Bradley) Subject: Re: More NS/Intel Cluelessness Message-ID: <1994May10.185110.25856@bozell.com> Sender: news@bozell.com Organization: Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. References: <riddlerCpJ6CL.M4u@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 18:51:10 GMT In article <riddlerCpJ6CL.M4u@netcom.com> riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) writes: > Any help on the following issues would be greatly appreciated: > > 1) The mouse is really jerky. I've played around with my Prefs but to no > avail. The mouse seems to skip pixels and is really hard to control. > Also, double-clicking icons can be very painful. I keep getting aliases > or something just off-center of the icon I'm trying to double click. Are you using a Microsoft mouse? If not, you may be experiencing the same problem that we did, using a Taiwanese "clone" mouse -- the mouse pointer seems to jump along the drag vector, instead of moving smoothly as one would expect. The fix was discovered by NeXT Tech Support, who somehow came up with a special build of the Mach kernel for us that fixed our problem. Try talking to your NeXT area SE about the problem. > 2) How do I log on as root on a non-networked machine straight out of the > box? I don't have a sys admin like the NeXT manuals keep referring to. It > seems like NeXT could at least rewrite parts of their manual instead of > dumpin the same manuals in the NS for Intel box when things like this are > being described. This issue {is|should be} in the FAQ. When booted "out of the box," a NEXTSTEP system will automatically log you in as user "me". If you put a password on the "me" account, then log out, you will then be presented with a loginwindow panel, and you can log in as "root" from there. > 3) NeXT's manuals suck in my opinion. They only touch on things in a very > cursory manner and don't explain very essential things like #2 above. > They also don't say anything about modems. It's nice for all of us net > users who can access NeXTanswers, etc. but what about non-netters. They > would buy NS for about a grand, take it home, install it, and > be................hosed! Seek out and join a NEXTSTEP User Group in your area. > 4) Does NS for Intel kind of seem like a Beta product or is it just me? IMO, it's just you. :-) > 5) What are the best comm programs for NS/Intel out there? (perferrably > free/shareware) Assuming you mean a program to let you use a modem to dial up bulletin boards and download software, then you might want to take a look at TipTop, TeleComm, MicroPhone, or Kermit. All of these are available via anonymous FTP from cs.orst.edu or (maybe) from sonata.cc.purdue.edu. If you do not have an Internet connection, then you might try the NeXT Forum on CompuServe. > 6) Is anyone working on Gravis Ultrasound sound support for NS/Intel? I dunno. > > > Sorry for my ranting.... > > Andy -- Chris Bradley | cbradley@bozell.com Techno-Slave, with Many Masters | +1 214 830 2273 vox Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. | +1 214 830 2687 fax Advertising and Public Relations | "Born ready"
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intuitive's Cub'XWindows vs. Pencom's co-Xist Date: 12 May 1994 07:07:35 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: inet Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May12080735@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <2qsg0t$dc4@Times.Stanford.EDU> To: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) In-reply-to: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU's message of 12 May 1994 05:49:17 GMT Well given that I've not heard a peep from either Vendor lately I'm not exactly going to rush out and purchase either. however, I've been a Pencom co-Xist user for a long time. What's their attitute to X11R6? I personally don't think they can justify any action given the market for X emulators at the moment. Read: Sun/HP boxes run X. -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fender@netcom.com (Nemtrovski) Subject: WWW and Shell Account Message-ID: <fenderCpoJnH.5K7@netcom.com> Summary: WWW & Shell Account? Keywords: WWW Mosaic NeXT NeXTSTEP Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 08:02:04 GMT I have a basic Shell Account with Netcom ($17/mo) and am wondering if I am capable of running WWW on NeXT Platform? If not, what Internet connection is required? James Nemerovski fender@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@psmpaul.demon.co.uk (Paul Meier) Subject: Re: Where is the benchpress.app?? Message-ID: <CpoM2p.2px@demon.co.uk> Sender: news@demon.co.uk (Usenet Administration) Organization: Demon Internet References: <2qriuh$hbc@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 08:54:24 GMT In article <2qriuh$hbc@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> lestat@cs.utexas.edu (Faizel Dakri) writes: > In article <2qrbcf$59j@waco.sgate.com> mike_foltz@sgate.com writes: > > Does anybody know where I can find the benchpress.app? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike Foltz > > foltzmik@sgate.com > > 703-803-8361 > > I just got it from uhoop.egr.uh.edu last night. It's located in the > /pub/misc/BenchMarks/ directory. > > Later, > > Faizel > lestat@cs.utexas.edu What is benchpress.app? Paul Meier paul@psmpaul.demon.co.uk
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WWW and Shell Account Date: 12 May 1994 11:00:49 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May12120049@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <fenderCpoJnH.5K7@netcom.com> To: fender@netcom.com (Nemtrovski) In-reply-to: fender@netcom.com's message of Thu, 12 May 1994 08:02:04 GMT Direct IP most probably via SLIP. -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: NeXT Printer Gear: Ordering Info Message-ID: <Cpox1I.B30@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 12:51:17 GMT Rmemember the problem of the paper not coming all the way through the black printers?? The solution is to replace the 14 tooth gear in the fuser assemply with a new one. (You need a very long screwdriver to take off 4 screws holding the fuser assy. down after you take the top and side covers off). Thanks to all the kind people that responded I finally ordered nad replaced the gears on all of the printers with the problem. As a small token of appreciation I post the detailed info to order them for future reference and perhaps for inclusion in the FAQs..... 1. Provider: CHENESKO PRODUCTS INC, 2221 FIFTH AVE., SUITE 4, RONKONKOMA, NY 11776 Tel. No. 516-467-3205 2. Gear: 14 tooth, Model Nu. RSI-0132 Keep in mind that this tooth has double the width of the original one and when you replace it you won't be able to put back the safty washer that was there for the old one. Thi does NOT creatte any problem though because the assemply cover plays the role of restricting the gear to not come out. --john m NRL-NUG leader ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: NeXT printer gear: Ordering Info Message-ID: <Cpox78.B8E@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 12:54:43 GMT Remember the problem of the paper not coming all the way through the black printers?? The solution is to replace the 14 tooth gear in the fuser assemply with a new one. (You need a very long screwdriver to take off 4 screws holding the fuser assy. down after you take the top and side covers off). Thanks to all the kind people that responded I finally ordered nad replaced the gears on all of the printers with the problem. As a small token of appreciation I post the detailed info to order them for future reference and perhaps for inclusion in the FAQs..... 1. Provider: CHENESKO PRODUCTS INC, 2221 FIFTH AVE., SUITE 4, RONKONKOMA, NY 11776 Tel. No. 516-467-3205 2. Gear: 14 tooth, Model Nu. RSI-0132 Keep in mind that this tooth has double the width of the original one and when you replace it you won't be able to put back the safty washer that was there for the old one. Thi does NOT creatte any problem though because the assemply cover plays the role of restricting the gear to not come out. --john m NRL-NUG leader ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: wucolin@popeye.CIS.McMaster.CA (Colin Wu) Subject: DockPrint semi-fails under NS3.2 Message-ID: <1994May12.134017.10706@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> Sender: usenet@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario. Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 13:40:17 GMT Hello NeXT'ers, I have this application, DockPrint, from NS2.0 days that has semi-failed since upgrading to NS3.2 (on a mono slab) and I'm wondering if anyone a) knows how I might fix this and/or b) knows of a similar application that works properly under NS3.2 DockPrint, if you don't know, is an application that should ideally sit in your Dock. When active you can drag a document icon onto the DockPrint icon and the document can be printed, tared, compressed, etc. However, ever since I upgraded to NS3.2 DockPrint hasn't worked when Docked (it works fine if started from the FileViewer). I didn't write DockPrint, but I have the sources, and I've recompiled since the upgrade. Any help appreciated. Thanks. -- __ _ _ Colin Wu / ) // ' ) / Network Analyst / __|/ o ____ / / / . . Computing & Information Services (__/ (_) \_<_/ / <_ (_(_/ (_/_ McMaster University (905)525-9140 ext 24050 "If you want to truly understand something, try to change it." - Kurt Lewin
From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Some solutions (Re: How to run terminal windows white-on-black; default font Q.) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 12 May 1994 13:53:59 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. Message-ID: <2qtcdn$3gs@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> References: <2qr42e$3o5@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> Originator: pww@bcarh355 In article <2qr42e$3o5@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, Peter Whittaker <pww@bnr.ca> wrote: >As per the subject line: what must I do to run Terminal.App windows >white-on-black? If the answer is RTFM, which M? According to several replies received via e-mail, users interested in white-on-black - and a host of other features - should pick up Stuart.App. To quote one reply: Peter - the stock Terminal doesn't support white-on-black. What you should do is get Stuart, which is a PD terminal replacement that is much better than Terminal in many ways. I use it all the time. It's very nice. One of my favourite features is that it lets you work backwards through scroll bar directly from the keyboard (alt-uparrow and alt-downarrow), and lets you switch from one window to another (alt-rightarrorw and alt-leftarrow.) You can find Stuart.app on sonata.cc.purdue.edu, in /pub/next/something-or-other. >Also, how do I tell Terminal.App to use a font size other than the >default, for all windows? So far, I've been using "Font, Larger" on the >"Terminal" menu to increase the font size to that which I like; I'd >prefer it if Terminal.App would remember my preferred font size from one >invocation to the next. If RTFM, which M? Several readers pointed me to the "Window" panel of the "Info, Preferences" menu. Thanks, it works fine (and thanks to this advice, I went one steo further, and got Terminal.App to to start several properly-titled telnet sessions at startup). Thanks to the anonymous responders.... (If it wasn't for the fact that NeXTStep forces me to use a mouse, I would be about ready to go ga-ga over this system. As it is, my ahcing wrist is keeping me sane.) pww -- Peter Whittaker [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~] Secure Networks pww@bnr.ca [ ] Bell Northern Research Ph: +1 613 765 2064 [ ] P.O. Box 3511, Station C FAX:+1 613 765 2854 [__________________________] Ottawa, Ontario, K1Y 4H7
From: jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CryptorBundle-1.0 with newer version of pgp? Date: 12 May 1994 14:00:30 GMT Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Message-ID: <2qtcpv$479@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> Has anyone gotten CryptorBundle-1.0 to work with a newer version of pgp? It is distributed with pgp 2.2, which is about a year old. The newest international version is pgp 2.3a; in the US, we're supposed to use pgp 2.5 for noncommercial purposes. However, simply replacing pgp 2.2 with pgp 2.5 seems to break CryptorBundle. (It works fine as distributed.) Any hints would be appreciated. -- Jim Horne jhh@waldzell.physics.yale.edu "With stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain." Friedrich von Schiller
From: zhao@crl.nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NeXT & MM Date: 12 May 94 08:32:24 Organization: Computing Research Lab Message-ID: <ZHAO.94May12083224@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu> Some people in this group may be interested in the following article posted in comp.multimedia and etc. I do think NeXT should have some important impact on multimedia development. However, is NeXT interested in mm? Probably, they are, and focused on the application for bankers. I can see the different marketing strategy of SUN&NeXT and microsoft. If SUN&NeXT hook on 1000 bankers and made $10 million/banker, that is $1billion, a lot of money. There are about 150 millions of PCs. If microsoft made $20/PC, e.g., by upgrading DOS 5.0 to 6.0., that is $3billion. Even bankers cannot ignore PCs now. ZZ _____________________________________________________________________________ >From andreas@dworkin.wustl.edu Tue May 10 07:33:42 1994 From: andreas@dworkin.wustl.edu (Andreas D. Bovopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.multimedia,comp.mail.multi-media,comp.dcom.ce ll-relay Subject: An ATM based multimedia lab Keywords: ATM, multimedia equipment Date: 7 May 94 05:43:19 GMT Followup-To: poster Distribution: usa Organization: Washington University St. Louis, MO Hi Everybody: I am in the process of setting up an ATM networking lab for the company I work for. Part of our activities will include the development and experimentation with services and applications for the ATM LAN market. For example one of the first projects we want to undertake is to develop an ATM Forum complient impementation of LAN Emulation. We also plan to experiment with multimedia applications as well. With respect to workstations we are thinking to get Sun workstations. One of reasons is that there are plenty of ATM adapter cards impemented for Sbus. Any comments on this? What is the situation with HP machines? The other issue is that eventually we would like to experiment with multimedia applications. Do you have any experience on the real time capabilities of Solaris? Over the summer Nextstep will be available on HP machines and later on Suns. Would any of you prefer a HP machine with/or without Nextstp over a Sun with Solaris? We are interested also to aquire an ATM switch for the lab. Has any of you experimented with any of the switches that are currently in the market? We are interested only in switches that support a standards (UNI 3.0) complient product. Further, we would need to have access to the signalling API. Any suggestions? With respect to peripherals, video cards, video cameras what would you recommend? Is there an advantage for going with Sun over HP workstations? How would you position NextStep in your consideration? The question is: Is there any reason to consider NextStep and workstations that will support Nextstep? >From what I know over the summer HP workstations will be available with NextStep. That would probably be a good platform. But what about peripherals and adapter cards? What about ATM switches that could interoperate with such workstations and or PCs. Do you know if there exist any ATM switches which could be used in such environment? Please, send your suggestions to my e-mail address: andreas@dworkin.wustl.edu and I will summarize. Thanks a lot in advance, Andreas D. Bovopoulos Chipcom Corporation 508-4905602
From: jmm@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: overriding cmd-key shortcuts Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 15:46:45 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <940512084645.7359AABqE.jmm@energy7.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The newest version of Eloquent.app (a NeXTMail alternative) uses the ">" key as a short cut for marking a message. I have always used cmd-> for inserting ">" to quote text in a message (original via MailHelper, then via TickleServices). I used Preferences.app to assign ">" to "Quote Text", which is my TickleServices menu item. Is there some way to automatically get rid of the assignment that's built into Eloquent? The first time I try to quote text each day, I get an error message from Eloquent. Then, if I explicitly quote it by selecting Services/Mail/Quote Text, it works (of course), but to my delight, the ">" shortcut disappears from the Eloquent function, and works as a shortcut for quoting text from then on. So, how do I get the ">" shortcut to disappear from the Eloquent function (or any .app function) automatically, without having to go through this rigamarole every day?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: keithw@fiji.umhc.umn.edu (Keith Willard) Subject: inexpensive database servers Message-ID: <Cpp4K6.CI7@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 15:31:59 GMT we have always used sybase for our servers in our educational environment. we are now looking at moving to a commercial application and would like to find alternatives to sybase's pricing structure on that side of the fence. one of the alternatives that looks potentially attractive is to take advantage of the firesale that microsoft is giving on SQL Server which is their version of sybase's 4.2 rev. our understanding is that an unlimited license is currently going for about $2500. can you setup their sql server on an NT machine and just talk to it over tcp like it works in unix land? anybody ever hooked up a next client to a microsoft sql server NT box? any comments at all on this approach? ---------------------------------- Keith Willard Laboratory Medicine and Pathology University of Minnesota <keithw@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: david@smobject.com (David Vazquez) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <1994May12.160055.20370@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: SmartObject Technologies, Inc. References: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 16:00:55 GMT Chris Saldanha (csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca) wrote: : Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: : : Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, : : launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible : : to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without : : using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). : This is part of NeXT's interface philosophy. Keyboard hotkeys are a : convenience to speed things up, not the primary method of getting around. : Remember, this is a _graphical_ user interface. It is much more : intuitive to use the mouse, rather than the keryboard for stuff like that. : When I am forced to use MS Windoze, I find I can't live without the : keyboard for navigating menus and windows; not so with NeXTSTEP. At least they could've provided a way of moving the pointer with the keyboard (Amiga style). I don't appreciate the fact that NeXTStep becomes useless when a mouse is not plugged in. While navigating the menubar with the cursor keys (MS-Windows) is not the funnest thing to do in the world, I appreciate the fact that Microsoft took the time to put code in there for use keyboard junkies. I type *fast*, and I know my keyboard well; therefore, I could do things alot faster if the keyboard was more fully integrated into the NeXTStep interface. : : Another problem is window resizing which is rather clumsy in that it can : : be only done from the bottom edge/corners and there is no maximise/restore : : button (or keyboard accelerator) for quickly making a window fill the : : screen c.f. Motif or Windows. : I find 'maximized' windows offensive. What is the advantage? Full-screen : windows make it hard to switch applications, and they make it nearly : impossible to _really use_ two or more apps at the same time. NeXT's : concept of 'floating' windows (unlike Windoze, where all the document : windows are contained within the app's master window), the idea that all : windows and panels can float freely about the screen, make 'maximized' : windows unnecesary for MOST apps. Those apps that would benefit from : full-screen windows should implement a Windows->Maximize menu option... Score one for NeXTStep. I hate MDI. Again, if you want to isolate apps, why not put them on separate screens (like the Amiga, of course)? : : Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb : : in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to : : the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the : : keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been : : addressed for NS on Intel). : Applications that use page-oriented documents should always have page : up/down buttons along the bottom of the window. It is more intuitive to : have the scrollbox go where you clicked in the scroll, and leave page : up/down to the buttons. : And no, NS/FIP makes no use of the PC-101 keyboard's PG-UP and PG-DOWN : keys. : : In particular, I think it should be possible to perform : : all interface operations (except drawing) through the keyboard alone. : Despite my background in VT100 UNIX-via-modem, QNX, and DOS (and : C64! ;-) where the mouse was a minor luxury, I believe that the mouse is : an essential part of doing work on a computer. The NeXT system is the : first where I felt the mouse was increasing my workspeed, not slowing it : down. Don't be afraid of using the mouse... No one's afraid of the mouse (well I'm not), but I want to make the choice of when to use it. A GUI shouldn't make that decision for me.. : _ADVOCACY ON_ : I for one don't want to see NeXTSTEP take on the interface of Windows, X, : or Mac any more than it already does. It does take some getting used to, : if you switch frequently between interfaces. NeXT has put a lot of time : into making the interface efficient. I think they did a good job. : _ADVOCACY OFF_ Amen. : --Chris : Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- : Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| : chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| : csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o----------------- -David Vazquez "david@smobject.com"
From: cdl@triton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tekton font Date: 12 May 1994 09:32:29 -0700 Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego Message-ID: <2qtlmt$8o9@triton.ucsd.edu> Maybe this is an old problem, and I'm just behind the times. I got the file Tekton.tar.Z from the archive server at sonata.cc.purdue.edu, and believe that I did all the right things to install the font in my Library/Fonts directory. (uncompress, tar x, buildafmdir) The font is visible in the Font Panel when invoked from Edit.app, but any attempt to select Tekton for a piece of text seems only to change the spacing of the characters in the Edit display, but not their shape. This is accompanied by messages to Console about DPS client library errors, namely: Error: typecheck; Offending Command: setfont On the other hand, I can write a small PostScript "Hello world" program and have it work in Preview.app. ultima: tmp: 126> cat ~/tmp/hello.ps %! 72 648 moveto /Tekton findfont 100 scalefont setfont (Hello world) show showpage So what have I not done properly? carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu clowenstein@ucsd.edu
From: ad02@gte.com (Alin D'Silva) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems w NS3.2 installation Date: 12 May 1994 16:32:49 GMT Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qtlnh$g82@ceylon.gte.com> Keywords: install Hi there, I'm having problems installing NS 3.2 on my 486DX2 66Mhz machine. The machine is not one of those listed in the hardware compatability guide. I have an Adaptec1542CF SCSI controller, Toshiba 4101 CD-ROM, Seagate SCSI drive. There are no IDE drives, and I have just one floppy drive. None of the advanced options on the adaptec controller (>1G disks, etc) that are known to sometimes cause problems with the 1542B driver are enabled. When the mach_kernel attempts to boot after having loaded the appropriate drivers that come with the boot disk (DPT,Adaptec,PS2KeyBoard,IDE,Floppy..) it hangs after printing the message Registering PS2Keyboard. I've read the NeXTanswer on keyboard lockup during install and have followed their advice about leaving out the PS2Mouse driver when loading the kernel. This doesn't help much as the boot sequence hangs at the same place. I've talked with NeXT technical support, but I got the feeling that they weren't terribly eager to help once I told them that I was using a generic 486DX2-66 motherboard. Does anyone out there have any other suggestions for things that I may attempt to try? Is it possible to boot the mach_kernel directly from the CD-ROM as one can with SunOs? Under advance boot options, I could try boot sd1()mach_kernel .... but this doesn't seem to work. Oh, one other thing. I'm reasonably sure that there arn't any DMA or I/O conflicts because I've been using Linux and DOS/Windows on this machine without any problem. Thanks, Alin D'Silva GTE Laboratories 40 Sylvan Road Waltham, MA 02254 ad02@gte.com
From: vasu@beancounter.commerce.ubc.ca (Vasu Krishnamurthy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NewsGrazer Crashes Date: 12 May 1994 18:17:09 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <2qtrr5$5ci@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> During the last few months there has been a steady stream of posts on frequent crashes by NewsGrazer. Since NG wasn't exhibiting this behavior on my machine, I ignored the discussion. However, NG inexplicably caught the disease yesterday, so would some kind soul e-mail me any known fixes? I am running NG version 75 on NeXT hardware with NS 3.2. Thanks in advance. -- Vasu Krishnamurthy Assistant Professor Faculty of Commerce and Business Administration University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z2 CANADA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Tekton font Message-ID: <1994May12.182427.24804@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <2qtlmt$8o9@triton.ucsd.edu> Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 18:24:27 GMT In article <2qtlmt$8o9@triton.ucsd.edu> cdl@triton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) writes: >>Maybe this is an old problem, and I'm just behind the times. I got the >>file Tekton.tar.Z from the archive server at sonata.cc.purdue.edu, and >>believe that I did all the right things to install the font in my >>Library/Fonts directory. >> Just a friendly, cautionary note, with the disclaimer that I haven't looked at this font, so it might just be named to same but..: Tekton is an Adobe Original font. When I bought it back 4 years ago or so from RightBrain, it cost me ~$80. It's not free, it's not shareware, it's a product from Adobe. If this font is the same (and I'm not saying it is, it might just be named the same), it's a *bad* thing that this is available for ftp from sontata. We have a guy at MIT here in deep doodoo over the same sort of issue. Ignorance is not bliss; I'd advise the folks at sonata to make sure that pirated software is not available for ftp from their site... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> 20 Ames St. E15-023G -- (617) 547-0563 (day office) --> Cambridge, MA 02139 -- (617) 253-0663 (night office)
From: srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: EPS NEXT <-> EPS MAC Date: 12 May 1994 19:23:25 GMT Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Message-ID: <2qtvnd$k6c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <2qqp5n$8e3@news.univ-rennes1.fr> Originator: srosie@rilke.ccs.itd.umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: EPS NEXT <-> EPS MAC Summary: Expires: References: <2qqp5n$8e3@news.univ-rennes1.fr> <1994May11.142740.18846@cc.usu.edu> From: srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) Reply-to: srosie@umich.edu Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Keywords: In article <1994May11.142740.18846@cc.usu.edu> slxn8@cc.usu.edu writes: >In article <2qqp5n$8e3@news.univ-rennes1.fr>, hubert@arles.univ-rennes1.fr (Hubert Philippe) writes: >> Does anyone know how to import a NeXT Postscript file ( .EPS >> or .PS ) in an Apple Mac Application like Word or PowerPoint. >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> Philippe. > >The Mac shouldn't have any trouble importing NeXT generated EPS files. NEXTSTEP >does not need a preview image in the EPS file like the Mac does, so when you >import the file into your Mac you will get nothing but a box, probably with the >file name in it. It will still print out just fine...the limited Mac display >is the problem. I do not know of any NEXTSTEP applications that can stick a >preview image into the EPS file though. Now you can see why NEXTSTEP users >laugh when a Mac person says that the Mac is WYSIWYG. Ha! > >====================================================================== >John Zollinger (NextMail Preferred) >Programmer/Analyst ati06!obsidian!johnz@attati.attmail.com >[Moore BCS - Logan, Utah] "Life is too important to take seriously." >====================================================================== > Actually, to port eps files, one must include a postscript definition file (I have presently forgotten the name of it) in the document. More explicity, in the eps file you will see a line that lists a UNIX postscript file (/usr/.../... .ps). You must delete this line, and insert the contents of the file at this point. Otherwise, the file will not properly print. -rosie (srosie@umich.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: david@smobject.com (David Vazquez) Subject: Stuart.app for NS/I 3.2 Message-ID: <1994May12.194532.9722@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: SmartObject Technologies, Inc. Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 19:45:32 GMT Is there a version of Stuart.app for NeXTStep 3.2 for Intel? If so, where can I get it? -David Vazquez "david@smobject.com"
From: matthewm@sgate.com (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Object Link Publishing Date: 12 May 1994 13:47:34 -0400 Organization: Southgate Internet Host Message-ID: <2qtq3m$82m@sgate.com> Can someone please explain to me how to publish an object hotlink across the network? Here's what I've been doing: Using Draw.app on both platforms (NEXTSTEP 3.2, Black hardware). Create a Draw document, put a circle in it, save the document, and publish the link to an NFS-shared directory (the NFS server is another machine). Go to another NEXTSTEP machine, run Draw, drag that .objlink file into it. This opens up the original document (aborting it if can't even find it due to pathname inconsistencies), with the object in an Untitled window (the one I dragged the .objlink icon into). I update the published object on the source document, save it, and nothing happens on the remote document (same network, same shared file systems). I click on 'Update from Source' and it updates the last update time but not the object. This procedure works if I do the same thing on the same machine (e.g. don't go to a remote machine, just open up another Draw window and drag the .objlink in). What gives? Also, if you don't have access to the original document, it severely limits the object link technology, doesn't it? I imagine that most times you want to use it -- with ideas in place today -- you'll probably be within the same organization, and thus have access to the same files, but that might not always be true. If anyone can tell me by Email what I'm doing wrong, I'd appreciate it. We're always at least a few days behind in news and we might actually lose some articles under the worst case scenario. Thanks. ------ Mike Matthews, Mike_Matthews@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Winter is the season in which people try to keep the house as warm as it was in the summer, when they complained about the heat.
From: dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WWW and Shell Account Date: 12 May 1994 09:44:31 -0700 Organization: Obvious Implementations Corp Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qtmdf$7ii@apollo.west.oic.com> References: <fenderCpoJnH.5K7@netcom.com> Keywords: WWW Mosaic NeXT NeXTSTEP In article <fenderCpoJnH.5K7@netcom.com> fender@netcom.com (Nemtrovski) writes: : :I have a basic Shell Account with Netcom ($17/mo) and am wondering :if I am capable of running WWW on NeXT Platform? If not, what Internet :connection is required? : :James Nemerovski :>fender@netcom.com You can't run Mosaic via your shell account (though, actually, if you were running Linux on your home machine you probably could despite the lack of a direct IP tie-in). However, there is a terminal-based WWW client that you *could* run on the shell account. No fancy graphics, being terminal based, but it does work. It is called 'lynx', and can be found at a number of sites. A quick run through archie returned: gatekeeper.dec.com .3/net/infosys/lynx/* dime.cs.umass.edu pub/rcf/exp/build/lynx2-0-11.tar.Z ... -Matt -- Matthew Dillon dillon@apollo.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
From: adhir@betelgeuse.iagi.com Newsgroups: comp.unix.unixware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Machine dedicated to Web servers Date: 12 May 1994 22:05:29 GMT Organization: Internet Access Group, Inc Message-ID: <2qu979$bgn@umd5.umd.edu> Originator: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu Hello all - we will soon be setting up a Pentium server with some flavor of Unix in order to use mainly as a Web/Gopher server. There will likely be 10 or 15 different homepages on the system with many connections at a time. We would like the ability to handle up to 100 simultaneous Web/Gopher accesses at a time. We have configured a Pentium 66mhz machine with 64mb ram and 2 gigs of disk for this purpose. The question that remains is what flavor of Unix to run on it. I am familiar with Linux, Unixware and NeXTStep (for Intel). I am leaning towards Unixware since it is a 'commercial' Unix which would be potentially more stable than a Linux box. NeXTStep is rather expensive (compared to Linux and Unixware) but I have found it to be extremely stable on my 486/66 machine. I had a 2 week bout with unixware which I finally gave up on, although by the end of it I did have a working system. It was far from painless however. The last Linux version I used was kernel revision .99pl11 or so, which I ran on an unnetworked box. I am not familiar with how it handles multiple inbound connections. Can anyone out there in net.land offer suggestions/reasons for or against any of the above Unix flavors in our intended configuration? Any other Unixes I should be considering? Thanks... ---------------------------------------___--------------------------------- | Al Dhir /___\ Internet Access Group, Inc | | Internet: adhir@betelgeuse.iagi.com (o o) 301-847-0228 Fax:301-847-0229 | -----------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------------------- -- -------------------------------------___--------------------------------- | Al Dhir, Programmer Analyst /___\ UMCP Ag-Engineering Dept | | Internet: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (o o) (301) 405-1197 | ---------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-----------------------------
From: kpfleger@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Karl Robert Pfleger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Cub'X Windows & Miro video card Date: 12 May 1994 22:22:13 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2qua6l$jsa@Times.Stanford.EDU> FYI, looks like Cub'X doesn't work well with the Miro card, but will soon. I recieved the following from someone at Intuitive Systems: -Karl ------ To: Karl Pfleger <kpfleger@HPP.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Re: trouble running Cub'XWindows demo 4.39 Dear Sir, Thanks for your interest in Cub'X-Window. We're sorry there are problems with Cub'X-Window running on configurations with a Miro video board. This is something we're working on right now, an the patch will be ready before the end of next week. [stuff deleted] Intuitive Systems, Inc. P.O. Box 60849 Palo Alto, CA 94306 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Tekton font In-Reply-To: wave@media.mit.edu's message of Thu, 12 May 1994 18:24:27 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94May12161008@birch.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <2qtlmt$8o9@triton.ucsd.edu> <1994May12.182427.24804@news.media.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 23:10:08 GMT Michael B Johnson writes: Michael> Tekton is an Adobe Original font. When I bought it back 4 years Michael> ago or so from RightBrain, it cost me ~$80. It's not free, it's Michael> not shareware, it's a product from Adobe. If this font is the same Michael> (and I'm not saying it is, it might just be named the same), it's a Michael> *bad* thing that this is available for ftp from sontata. We have a Michael> guy at MIT here in deep doodoo over the same sort of issue. Michael> Ignorance is not bliss; I'd advise the folks at sonata to make sure Michael> that pirated software is not available for ftp from their site... While it's a goober-clone and not the real thing, it's still in violation of the trademark on the font name. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === ===
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: glibc for NeXT Date: 13 May 1994 00:59:56 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qujec$psn@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Keywords: port Has anybody generated a configuration for the GNU glibc that supports the NeXT? I have a need to pick and choose a few files to put into a library, but NeXT is not one of the (predefined) supported systems. - Steve -- ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University | "There's more ways to skin a cat than putting its head in a
From: hal@alfred.econ.lsa.umich.edu (Hal Varian) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WWW and Shell Account Date: 13 May 1994 04:02:56 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: world Message-ID: <2quu5g$f60@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <fenderCpoJnH.5K7@netcom.com> <2qtmdf$7ii@apollo.west.oic.com> Keywords: WWW Mosaic NeXT NeXTSTEP >In article <fenderCpoJnH.5K7@netcom.com> fender@netcom.com (Nemtrovski) writes: >:I have a basic Shell Account with Netcom ($17/mo) and am wondering >:if I am capable of running WWW on NeXT Platform? If not, what Internet >:connection is required? Sommone suggested lynx. If you are an emacs user, another option is w3.el, an emacs-based WWW browser. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: app-wide defaults in persistant object database (Was Re: A question of interface) Date: 13 May 1994 05:13:34 GMT Organization: The University of Waikato Message-ID: <2qv29u$hco@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> References: <1994May9.155429.5259@prim.demon.co.uk> In article <1994May9.155429.5259@prim.demon.co.uk> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > In article <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) writes: > > > >BTW, I heard a rumour that NeXT is thinking of doing away with dwrite's. > > Let's hope so. We should be using persistant objects instead (with the > Controller object collecting up all the app-wide defaults). > > Dave Griffiths NetInfo might be another candidate. What would be the pros and cons of an OODBMS for app defaults, netinfo etc. ??
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dylan@Angst.COM (Dylan Kohler) Subject: SOLUTION: Hang during bootup... NBIC present Message-ID: <1994May13.033242.26347@Angst.COM> Sender: dylan@Angst.COM Organization: Angst Animation Post Production Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 03:32:42 GMT A long time ago I posted about how my TurboCube would hang when it was soft-rebooting at the line: NBIC present I had to power down and up again to get it to boot properly. This is finally solved, thanks to the help of Matthew Mortazie at Bell Atlantic. Apparently the TurboCube I bought (used from Sam Goldberger) had been upgraded from a normal Cube. Earlier cubes had an old EPROM that exhibited this behavior with the Turbo board installed. To fix this, you need the EPROM version 74, which I got from Bell Atlantic for $30; you can check your EPROM version in the bootup messages, logged in /usr/adm/messages. Works great now! -- ___________________________________ Dylan Kohler Angst Animation Post Production dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome)
From: dsdecasp@iiic.ethz.ch (Daniel Stefan Decasper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CryptorBundle-1.0 with newer version of pgp? Date: 13 May 1994 07:06:50 GMT Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Message-ID: <2qv8ua$cqd@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> References: <2qtcpv$479@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> In article <2qtcpv$479@babyblue.cs.yale.edu>, Jim Horne <jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu> wrote: > >Has anyone gotten CryptorBundle-1.0 to work with a newer version of pgp? It is >distributed with pgp 2.2, which is about a year old. The newest international >version is pgp 2.3a; in the US, we're supposed to use pgp 2.5 for noncommercial >purposes. However, simply replacing pgp 2.2 with pgp 2.5 seems to break >CryptorBundle. (It works fine as distributed.) > I've tried it with pgp 2.3a and it seems to work fine. Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: app-wide defaults in persistant object database (Was Re: A question of interface) Message-ID: <CpqJAB.GwI@xexos.com> Sender: usenet@xexos.com Organization: Xexos Ltd (London) References: <2qv29u$hco@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 09:49:22 GMT In article <2qv29u$hco@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz (Kerry Guise) writes: > > NetInfo might be another candidate. What would be the pros and cons of > an OODBMS for app defaults, netinfo etc. ?? I think NetInfo would be nice. One of the common problems when setting up large networks is setting all the new users defaults. You can get round this by having some nice new-user templates that have all been configured correctly, but doing it all in netinfo (or having an option that says if something was in netinfo, it would override the defaults database) would be just peachy. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: ssiebert@ixpoint.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Searching for DEC people responsible for NEXTSTEP Expo Date: 13 May 1994 09:59:08 GMT Organization: iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH, Waldbronn, Germany Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2qvj1c$468@balu.ixpoint.de> Hi! I'm looking for the people from DEC who're responsible/ organizing the DEC booth at the NEXTSTEP Expo. If somebody knows some names or could forward this message, this would help me a lot. Thanks. Stefan Siebert ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Stefan Siebert + + iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH + + Im Ermlisgrund 20-24 76337 Waldbronn Germany + + phone: ++49 7243-65535 + + Email: ssiebert@ixpoint.de (NeXTmail welcome) + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iok@theseas.ntua.gr (Ioannis Koutselas) Subject: fax send source code here Message-ID: <Cpqrs2.EE0@theseas.ntua.gr> Keywords: zyxel,next,source code,.buggy Organization: National Technical University of Athens, Greece Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 12:49:47 GMT small but buggy yet source code of a fax send program exists in alt.sources.it is a porgram that need to have some things fixed. stripped/modified from mgetty+sendfax of Gert Doering need to get mgetty package though cause i have forgotten to include the g3topbm and vice versa program ioannis p.s let me knw if you can find the bad bug
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerti@BITart.sub.org (Gerd Knops) Subject: Stuart Message-ID: <Cpp7y0.3w4@BITart.sub.org> Sender: usenet@BITart.sub.org Organization: BITart, NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Consulting Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 16:46:48 GMT I'd like very much to check out Stuart. Is there any FAT version available? Gerd
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CryptorBundle-1.0 with newer version of pgp? Date: 13 May 1994 07:26:08 GMT Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2qva2g$2s0@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <2qtcpv$479@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jim Horne writes > > Has anyone gotten CryptorBundle-1.0 to work with a newer version of pgp? It is > distributed with pgp 2.2, which is about a year old. The newest international > version is pgp 2.3a; in the US, we're supposed to use pgp 2.5 for noncommercial > purposes. However, simply replacing pgp 2.2 with pgp 2.5 seems to break > CryptorBundle. (It works fine as distributed.) It works fine for me with 2.3a. Regards, Markus. -- /dev/ Markus Wenzel /usr/spool/mail/ mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org /etc/zoneinfo/ University of Stuttgart /bin/ps System administration, Consulting, Networking
From: jackie@interaccess.com () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: positions (Chicago) Date: 13 May 1994 14:56:35 GMT Organization: InterAccess, Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Message-ID: <2r04f3$lfk@mailhost.interaccess.com> Hello, Risetime Software, in Chicago, is looking for folk with Next experience. If anyone has questions, or would like to send a resume, post or mail: jackie@risetime.com
From: marka@Eng.Sun.COM (Mark Anenberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: the OpenStep specification...where/how? Date: 13 May 1994 18:01:51 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2r0faf$cod@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <2qsghs$15t5@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> Kerry Guise writes <In article <1994May9.000648.12998@math.toronto.edu> <ajones@math.toronto.edu (Albin L. Jones) writes: <> does the OpenStep open specification exist yet? < <There's some interesting info (including the papers <OpenStep_and_Solaris.ps and OpenStep_Portability.rtfd) at the URL : < <http://digifix.digifix.com/index.html < < Kerry Yes those are there, but they are not OpenStep API. They API is due to be presented, as NeXT has said, by the end of June. -- Mark Anenberg , OpenStep Development Team Email: marka@Eng.Sun.COM (NeXTMail Welcome) Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are my own and in no way represent those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <Cppp6q.1s6@microsoft.com> Organization: Microsoft Corporation Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 22:59:10 GMT Distribution: usa References: <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> In article <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca wrote: > Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: > : Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, > : launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible > : to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without > : using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). > > This is part of NeXT's interface philosophy. Keyboard hotkeys are a > convenience to speed things up, not the primary method of getting around. > Remember, this is a _graphical_ user interface. It is much more > intuitive to use the mouse, rather than the keryboard for stuff like that. > When I am forced to use MS Windoze, I find I can't live without the > keyboard for navigating menus and windows; not so with NeXTSTEP. I don't understand what it is about Windows that makes you say "I find I can't live without the keyboard for navigating menus and windows." I see Windows as being just as easily navigated as NeXTSTEP is with a mouse, and having a keyboard equivalent for nearly all interface operations. The fact that Windows gives you the option of readily using the keyboard to navigate doesn't mean that one can't live without it; rather, you have an option. If you choose to use the keyboard to navigate, thats your choice. Specifically, what operations do you find requiring the keyboard that aren't just as easily performed with the mouse, ala NeXTSTEP? > : Another problem is window resizing which is rather clumsy in that it can > : be only done from the bottom edge/corners and there is no maximise/restore > : button (or keyboard accelerator) for quickly making a window fill the > : screen c.f. Motif or Windows. > > I find 'maximized' windows offensive. What is the advantage? Full-screen > windows make it hard to switch applications, and they make it nearly > impossible to _really use_ two or more apps at the same time. NeXT's > concept of 'floating' windows (unlike Windoze, where all the document > windows are contained within the app's master window), the idea that all > windows and panels can float freely about the screen, make 'maximized' > windows unnecesary for MOST apps. Those apps that would benefit from > full-screen windows should implement a Windows->Maximize menu option... Again, Windows doesn't FORCE you to maximize anything. I have never seen a Windows application that requires itself to run maximized. I'm sure they exist, but they are definitely not the norm. Again, its your choice. If you don't want your windows maximized, then leave them in a "restored" state. The choice is yours. > _ADVOCACY ON_ > [... NeXTSTEP...] does take some getting used to, > if you switch frequently between interfaces. NeXT has put a lot of time > into making the interface efficient. I think they did a good job. > _ADVOCACY OFF_ I agree with the above, though. -Jeff not a Microsoft spokesperson jhenshaw@microsoft.com
From: robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 13 May 1994 19:35:37 GMT Organization: Pencom Sofware Message-ID: <2r0kq9$hqi@digdug.pencom.com> References: <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> :Another is paging in a scrollview where clicking above or below the thumb :in the scroll should (in my opinion) page up/down. Instead, it moves to :the location of the mouse click. There are no pageup/down keys on the :keyboard of my turboslab (but perhaps this is an issue which has been :addressed for NS on Intel). I realize that this will get beat to death, but I needed to add my 2 cents worth: PLEASE DON'T CHANGE THE SCROLLBAR! I HATE MS-WINDOWS, MAC, and Motif SCROLLers! NEXTSTEP is the only one that has it right. It might make sense to change the generic "scrollview" object to pre-enable the "ALT-click" paging, and even the "COMMAND-arrow" paging, but please don't change the "direct position" mechanism or the variable sized scroll-bar _ever_! (Whew!) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** These are my opinions... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin D. Wilson robin@pencom.com Pencom Software 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759
From: robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Setting Up A Dial-In Modem Date: 13 May 1994 19:58:52 GMT Organization: Pencom Sofware Message-ID: <2r0m5s$lch@digdug.pencom.com> References: <2qmu9i$540@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <2qmu9i$540@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> tuyo@mumford (Mike M. Tuyo) writes: :I Would like to setup a modem on my NeXTStation '40 box, so I can :dial into it when I'm not home. I've don't what the DigiLib said to :do, but it doen't seem to work. I constantly see the send&recv lights :flashing. Can anyone give me some assistance? I would really :appreciate it. Set the modem to assert carrier only when connected. (Usually "&C1" on Hayes compatible modems will accomplish this feat...) Getty uses the carrier signle to figure out when to send out a "login:" message. If CD is 'high', getty sends the login message. When this happens, (especially if the modem is set to "echo on"), the modem echo's back "login:" to getty. Since getty must have 'echo' turned on (unless its set for a half-duplex connection), it re-echos the 'login:' to the modem, and thinks that 'login:' (a user) is trying to login. Getty says: "Password:", which adds to the loop. Soon (very soon) you get a race condition on the port, and getty exits (you may note that getty's PID changes frequently in 'ps' listings...). Init restarts 'getty', and the whole loop starts from the top. However, if the modem doesn't assert CD until a connection exists, only the other side of the connection (usually a terminal) sees the 'login:'. Then everything is 'copasetic' (sp?). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** These are my opinions... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin D. Wilson robin@pencom.com Pencom Software 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759
From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TipTop is Tops! Date: 13 May 1994 20:26:54 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2r0nqe$jea@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu I just upgraded from TipTop v.93 to TipTop v1.01 and am pleased as punch that I did. Those of you who already have v.93 should rush your orders in and those who don't have TipTop should try the demo and *then* send in your order. I might also add that Pedja Bogdanovich is very responsive to any questions or trouble you might encounter. Excellent product and excellent support...a great combo that deserves mention in this forum. One thing about TipTop v1.01 that I like is the customizable text-size and background colors that make the app eminently more pleasant to use compared to microphone II, for example. I'm sure however, you will find much more to like about TipTop as you explore the product further beyond the aesthetics that I've mentioned. It runs good too. JB.
From: wjadams@hubcap.clemson.edu (William J Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: transys 1.08 prob on ns/fip 3.2 Date: 13 May 94 21:23:43 GMT Organization: Clemson University Message-ID: <wjadams.768864223@hubcap> hey I just got transys 1.08 beta down and installed it. I've got a slip connection, and have changed the default config.slip file ,and put it in the config dir as ordered. I run pnirun the with editted file name (with path ) as an argument and I get the following error Error: Can't access initialization file "/usr/local/tclX/7.3a/TclInit.tcl". Override directory containing this file with the environment variable: "TCL_LIBRARY" Device pnio is busy So my question is, where do I get this file from? And if you have any general advice for me I'd appreciate it. Thanks, and the address is wjadams@hubcap.clemson.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <beth@raven.millersv.edu> Date: Fri, 13 May 94 17:52:00 -0400 From: "Elizabeth E. Katz" <beth@raven.millersv.edu> Message-ID: <9405132152.AA01636@raven.millersv.edu> Subject: Re: A question of interface paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes: > I'd still like to see some kind of zoom functionality (as > opposed to maximise, which is tightly related to screen size) > available to all apps. It is most relevant for Text objects, > where the point size that is ideal for printing is illegible > on screen, and one good to read on screen is too big when > printed (see Pages for some good examples). However, I feel > it should be available for all windows that use Postscript > (i.e. all windows). I think scaling is a major advantage in NEXTSTEP apps that use it. I routinely view documents at 128%. I miss this when I use a Mac (or pretend to use a Mac while using Executor). The scaling buttons/menu (50%, 75%, 100%, 128%, 200%) should be an optional part of a scroll view so that developers easily add them when appropriate. They probably belong only in scroll views because those have a means of scrolling through the enlarged document. Along those same lines, the page up/down buttons should be easy to add to scroll view. But again they should be a choice that the developer could include, not the default. As others have mentioned here, some people are physically challenged. Luckily I can put the baby down if I need to use the mouse and keyboard. It would be nice if NEXTSTEP were a little more accessible. I suppose I could get Simon Says, but I don't want to talk to the computer. Beth Katz beth@raven.millersv.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <beth@raven.millersv.edu> Date: Fri, 13 May 94 17:52:54 -0400 From: "Elizabeth E. Katz" <beth@raven.millersv.edu> Message-ID: <9405132152.AA01641@raven.millersv.edu> Subject: Subject: How to run terminal windows white-on-black; default font Q. pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) asks: > Also, how do I tell Terminal.App to use a font size other than > the default, for all windows? So far, I've been using "Font, > Larger" on the "Terminal" menu to increase the font size to > that which I like; I'd prefer it if Terminal.App would remember > my preferred font size from one invocation to the next. In Terminal.app, go to Preferences/Windows and set the default font. Although I'd find white letters on black annoying, I suppose color should be an option. And it should be set in preferences rather than with dwrites. In Preferences.app, the General Preferences (looks like a NeXTcube) sets application fonts and various system fonts. (pp. 298-299 of the printed User's Guide for Release 3) These may be in the manuals, but I've learned most about my NeXTstation by exploring, reading news, and browsing in Digital Librarian. Beth Katz beth@raven.millersv.edu
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 16:27:37 PDT Message-ID: <1994May13.232737.495@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Exhibiting at NEXTEXPO From the announcement >Companies Exhibiting. >-------------------- ...deleted >JANA Publishing !!! I hope they bring some CD-ROMs with them instead of excuses... --- NeXTMail:peter.kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CryptorBundle-1.0 with newer version of pgp? Message-ID: <1994May13.234454.19164@cc.usu.edu> From: hcole@zia.nrcabq.com Date: 13 May 94 23:44:53 MDT References: <2qv8ua$cqd@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Distribution: world Keywords: pgp In article <2qv8ua$cqd@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> writes: > In article <2qtcpv$479@babyblue.cs.yale.edu>, > Jim Horne <jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu> wrote: > > > >Has anyone gotten CryptorBundle-1.0 to work with a newer version of pgp? It is > >distributed with pgp 2.2, which is about a year old. The newest international > >version is pgp 2.3a; in the US, we're supposed to use pgp 2.5 for noncommercial > >purposes. However, simply replacing pgp 2.2 with pgp 2.5 seems to break > >CryptorBundle. (It works fine as distributed.) > > > > I've tried it with pgp 2.3a and it seems to work fine. > > Dan However it is true that pgp 2.5 does not work with CryptorBundle-1.0 out of the box. This is because pgp 2.5 sends all its messages out through stderr, and CryptorBundle assumes it's coming from stdout. There is a quick fix for this. In the file pgp.c find the following lines: #if 0 /* At request of Peter Simons, use stderr always. Sounds reasonable. */ if (!filter_mode && (outputfile == NULL || strcmp(outputfile, "-"))) pgpout = stdout; #endif And change the "#if 0" to "#if 1". All will be well. Except for an extra two spurious keys in your window called "found." These can be eliminated by changing lines in the keymgmt.c file back to their 2.3 state: Replace these lines: if (keycounter == 1) fprintf(pgpout,LANG("1 matching key found.\n")); else fprintf(pgpout,LANG("%d matching keys found.\n"),keycounter); with this line: fprintf(pgpout,LANG("%d key(s) examined.\n"),keycounter); Now, CryptorBundle will operate as before. Cheers. Howard ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Howard Cole | Nichols Research Corp. | hcole@zia.nrcabq.com 2201 Buena Vista SE | Suite 203 | "Leaders on the trailing Albuquerque, NM 87106 | edge of technology" (505) 843-7364 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: kaoki@ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Kenichiro Aoki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Some solutions (Re: How to run terminal windows white-on-black; default font Q.) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 14 May 94 18:25:42 Organization: Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics, Kyoto, Japan. Message-ID: <KAOKI.94May14182542@ps1.ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp> References: <2qr42e$3o5@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> <2qtcdn$3gs@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> In-reply-to: pww@bnr.ca's message of 12 May 1994 13:53:59 GMT >>>>> On 12 May 1994 13:53:59 GMT, pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) said: Peter> In article <2qr42e$3o5@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>, Peter Whittaker <pww@bnr.ca> wrote: Peter> According to several replies received via e-mail, users interested in Peter> white-on-black - and a host of other features - should pick up Stuart.App. Peter> To quote one reply: Peter> Peter - the stock Terminal doesn't support white-on-black. What you Peter> should do is get Stuart, which is a PD terminal replacement that is Peter> much better than Terminal in many ways. I use it all the time. Peter> It's very nice. One of my favourite features is that it lets you Peter> work backwards through scroll bar directly from the keyboard Peter> (alt-uparrow and alt-downarrow), and lets you switch from one window Peter> to another (alt-rightarrorw and alt-leftarrow.) While I also like Stuart and use it, I want to put the record straight; Stuart is *not* PD. It is a *shareware* app by Scott Hess. I think it's $40 or so. It might or might not be worth it, depending on what you do. Peter> You can find Stuart.app on sonata.cc.purdue.edu, in Peter> /pub/next/something-or-other. >Also, how do I tell Terminal.App to use a font size other than the >default, for all windows? So far, I've been using "Font, Larger" on the >"Terminal" menu to increase the font size to that which I like; I'd >prefer it if Terminal.App would remember my preferred font size from one >invocation to the next. If RTFM, which M? Peter> Several readers pointed me to the "Window" panel of the "Info, Peter> Preferences" menu. Thanks, it works fine (and thanks to this advice, I Peter> went one steo further, and got Terminal.App to to start several Peter> properly-titled telnet sessions at startup). Peter> Thanks to the anonymous responders.... Peter> (If it wasn't for the fact that NeXTStep forces me to use a mouse, I Peter> would be about ready to go ga-ga over this system. As it is, my ahcing Peter> wrist is keeping me sane.) Peter> pww Peter> -- Peter> Peter Whittaker [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~] Secure Networks Peter> pww@bnr.ca [ ] Bell Northern Research Peter> Ph: +1 613 765 2064 [ ] P.O. Box 3511, Station C Peter> FAX:+1 613 765 2854 [__________________________] Ottawa, Ontario, K1Y 4H7 -- Kenichiro Aoki (ken@phys.titech.ac.jp), Department of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Oh-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo, JAPAN $@@DLZ(J $@7r0lO:(J $@El9)Bg(J $@J*M}3X2J(J
From: Richard.Smyth@launchpad.unc.edu (Richard Smyth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ispell3.1 installation problem Date: 14 May 1994 13:42:38 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Distribution: na Message-ID: <2r2kge$me1@samba.oit.unc.edu> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ The above does not represent OIT, UNC-CH, laUNChpad, or its other users. / ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: Re: TipTop is Tops! Message-ID: <Cpsr17.ExG@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: <2r0nqe$jea@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 14:31:54 GMT romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) writes: >I just upgraded from TipTop v.93 to TipTop v1.01 and am pleased as punch >that I did. Those of you who already have v.93 should rush your orders in >and those who don't have TipTop should try the demo and *then* send in >your order. I might also add that Pedja Bogdanovich is very responsive to >any questions or trouble you might encounter. Excellent product and excellent >support...a great combo that deserves mention in this forum. >One thing about TipTop v1.01 that I like is the customizable text-size and >background colors that make the app eminently more pleasant to use compared >to microphone II, for example. I'm sure however, you will find much more to >like about TipTop as you explore the product further beyond the aesthetics >that I've mentioned. It runs good too. >JB. I certainly agree with the above but find I have V1.0 (not V1.01). Where did you get the newer version? --Tim -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcenmp.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Richard.Smyth@launchpad.unc.edu (Richard Smyth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: installing ispell3.1 Summary: When I try to install ispell3.1 on a nextstation3.2 with Date: 14 May 1994 14:54:18 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2r2omq$ojf@samba.oit.unc.edu> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ The above does not represent OIT, UNC-CH, laUNChpad, or its other users. / ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TipTop is Tops! Date: 14 May 1994 16:47:31 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2r2vb3$52o@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2r0nqe$jea@agate.berkeley.edu> <Cpsr17.ExG@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu >I'm sure however, you will find much more to >like about TipTop as you explore the product >further beyond the aesthetics that I've >mentioned. It runs good too. >JB. I certainly agree with the above but find I have V1.0 (not V1.01). Where did you get the newer version? --Tim While the distribution discs indicate 'Version 1.0'...if you bring up the 'Info Panel' on the app, it will say 'Version_1.01'. Try it. JB.
From: honey@citi.umich.edu (Peter Honeyman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.pen,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.large,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.unixware,news.sysadmin Subject: 2nd CFP: Winter '95 USENIX Technical Conference, New Orleans Followup-To: comp.org.usenix Date: 14 May 1994 16:40:50 GMT Organization: Center for Information Technology Integration, Univ of Michigan Distribution: world Message-ID: <2r2uui$2k0@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> = Announcement and Call for Submissions USENIX Winter 1995 Technical Conference January 16-20, 1995 New Orleans, Louisiana CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS The USENIX Winter 1995 Technical Conference in New Orleans will be the only broad-theme USENIX conference in 1995. The emphasis for the USENIX Winter 1995 Conference is on state-of-the-art practice and research in personal, distributed, and enterprise computing. We seek original and innovative papers about the architecture and performance of modern computing systems. We are especially interested to hear reports on practical experiences with such systems. Of particular interest are such topics as: * privacy and cryptography * personal digital assistant applications * enterprise-scale computing * kernelized operating systems * user interface toolkits * standards-based computing environments * file systems and mass storage * nomadic and wireless computing * shared address spaces DATE FOR REFEREED PAPER SUBMISSIONS Manuscripts or Extended Abstracts Due: July 18, 1994 Notification to Authors: August 31, 1994 Camera-ready Papers Due: November 14, 1994 The USENIX conference, like most conferences and journals, requires that papers not be submitted simultaneously to more than one conference or publication and that submitted papers not be previously or subsequently published elsewhere. Papers accompanied by so-called "non-disclosure agreement" forms are not acceptable and will be returned to the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a matter of policy and in accord with the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976 (Title 17, U.S. Code, Section 102). HOW TO SUBMIT A REFEREED PAPER It is important that you contact the USENIX Association office to receive detailed guidelines for submitting a paper to the refereed track of the technical sessions; please telephone to +1-510-528-8649 or E-mail to winter95authors@usenix.org In addition, specific questions about submissions to the USENIX Winter 1995 Conference may be made to the program chair via E-mail at honey@citi.umich.edu. The program committee will review full papers or extended abstracts. An extended abstract should be 5 manuscript pages (single-sided) or fewer in length. It should represent the paper in "short form." Please include the abstract as it will appear in the final paper. If the full paper has been completed, it may be submitted instead of an extended abstract. Full papers should be limited to 12 single-spaced pages. Include references to establish that you are familiar with related work, and, where possible, provide detailed performance data to establish that you have a working implementation and measurement tools. Every submission should include one additional page or separate E-mail message containing: * the name of one of the authors, who will act as the contact for the program committee * contact's surface mail address, daytime and evening telephone numbers, E-mail address, and FAX number * an indication of which, if any, of the authors are full-time students WHERE TO SEND SUBMISSIONS Submit one copy of an extended abstract or full paper by July 18, 1994 via AT LEAST TWO of the following methods * E-mail to winter95papers@usenix.org * FAX to +1 313 763 4434 * Mail to: Winter 1995 USENIX CITI University of Michigan 519 W. William Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943 U.S.A. CASH PRIZES Cash prizes will be awarded for the best paper at the conference and the best paper by a full-time student. CONFERENCE PROGRAM COMMITTEE Charles J. Antonelli CITI, University of Michigan David Bachmann IBM Austin David Chaum DigiCash b.v. Cecelia D'Oliviera Information Systems, MIT Richard Draves Microsoft Research Lori Grob Chorus Systemes Peter Honeyman (Chair) CITI, University of Michigan John T. Kohl Atria Software Greg Minshall Novell, Inc. Douglas Orr University of Utah Noemi Paciorek Horizon Research Phil Winterbottom AT&T Bell Laboratories CONFERENCE PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION INFORMATION Materials containing all details of the technical sessions and tutorial program, conference registration, hotel discounts, and airfare discount and reservation information will be available at the end of September 1994. If you wish to receive the registration materials, please contact: USENIX Conference Office 22672 Lambert St., Suite 613 Lake Forest, CA USA 92630 +1-714-588-8649, FAX: +1-714-588-9706 E-mail: conference@usenix.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) Subject: Re: TipTop is Tops! Message-ID: <1994May14.181712.1525@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 18:17:12 GMT Subject: TipTop is Tops! romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu wrote: >> I just upgraded from TipTop v.93 to TipTop v1.01 and am pleased as punch >> that I did. Those of you who already have v.93 should rush your orders in >> [munch] Excellent product and excellent support...a great combo that >> deserves mention in this forum. >> One thing about TipTop v1.01 that I like is the customizable ....... I am equally pleased by the new TipTop, and want to tell you what I like about this package... TipTop is integrated with GNU term, TCL, and expect. The advantage of this is that you can have basically all of the benefits of SLIP without the headaches of setting SLIP up. Another benefit of term over SLIP is that term does not require root access at the remote site. term is faster than SLIP too. The program also has a bunch of built-in expect and tcl scripts which are easily modified for one's own system. And Pedja, the author of TipTop, has done a fabulous job of integrating everything. This communications package is far and away the best I have used on _any_ platform. satisfied in chicago, - eric fortune fo6r@midway.uchicago.edu NeXTMail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mikef@praxis.xnet.com (Mike Fleming) Subject: Re: transys 1.08 prob on ns/fip 3.2 Message-ID: <Cpt9uI.K6y@amiserv.chi.il.us> Sender: news@amiserv.chi.il.us Organization: XNet Public Access Internet, Naperville, IL (708-983-6435) References: <wjadams.768864223@hubcap> Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 21:18:17 GMT In article <wjadams.768864223@hubcap> wjadams@hubcap.clemson.edu (William J Adams) writes: > hey I just got transys 1.08 beta down and installed it. I've got a slip > connection, and have changed the default config.slip file ,and put it in > the config dir as ordered. I run pnirun the with editted file name > (with path ) as an argument and I get the following error > Error: Can't access initialization file > "/usr/local/tclX/7.3a/TclInit.tcl". > Override directory containing this file with the environment variable: > "TCL_LIBRARY" > Device pnio is busy > > So my question is, where do I get this file from? And if you have any > general advice for me I'd appreciate it. Thanks, and the address is > wjadams@hubcap.clemson.edu > I have EXACTLY the same problem, and I couldn't figure out why. However, I discovered that the error is not fatal. The thing will run fine if you run pnid directly. In fact, I'm using it right now. This is the way I run it...it was in the "debugging" section of the manuel. I trust there's a more "real" way to circumvent this problem.....anyone? /etc/pni/pnid -C -c -n pni0 -t -d -f /etc/pni/config/pni0.config & <note that this TclInit thing infects *all* of the scripts, not just pnirun. pnistat is diseased this way as well...> I've been running 1.8 for the past couple of days without serious problems. However, it HAS locked up on be twice. Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: zac@dolphin.com (Zacharias J. Beckman) Subject: NNTP for NeXTSTEP? Message-ID: <1994May14.192547.1906@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Technologies Inc. Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 19:25:47 GMT I recently grabbed the NNTP source off the net... attempting to compile it revealed that getting it to work under NS wasn't going to be easy. Has anyone made it work on NS? If so, please point me in the right direction (or even send a copy via NEXTMAIL is you have it handy). Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks. -- Zacharias J. Beckman - NEXTMAIL welcome at <zac@dolphin.com>! - CIS 73207,3402 Dolphin Technologies Inc. - NEXTSTEP information management <info@dolphin.com> To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Tekton font Message-ID: <1994May14.232356.6597@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <1994May12.182427.24804@news.media.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 23:23:56 GMT In article <2qtlmt$8o9@triton.ucsd.edu> cdl@triton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) writes: * >> Maybe this is an old problem, and I'm just behind the * >> times. I got the file Tekton.tar.Z from the archive * >> server at sonata.cc.purdue.edu, and believe that I did * >> all the right things to install the font in my * >> Library/Fonts directory. The font package as you get it off the sonata server is called Tekton-Normal.font, right? There's no such font. The font contained in Tekton-Normal.font/Tekton-Normal is really called Tekton. Following the required NEXTSTEP conventions, the package (font folder) ought to be called Tekton.font, the font file inside the folder should be called Tekton, and the AFM file should be called Tekton.afm. So whoever put the Tekton font there in the first place obviously didn't know enough about fonts to get that part right. I see that the AFM file still contains an Adobe Copyright notice. Aaaaannnnnnddddddd, In article <1994May12.182427.24804@news.media.mit.edu> wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes: * Just a friendly, cautionary note, with the disclaimer that * I haven't looked at this font, so it might just be named * to same but..: * Tekton is an Adobe Original font. When I bought it back * 4 years ago or so from RightBrain, it cost me ~$80. It's * not free, it's not shareware, it's a product from Adobe. * If this font is the same (and I'm not saying it is, it * might just be named the same), it's a *bad* thing that this * is available for ftp from sontata. We have a guy at MIT * here in deep doodoo over the same sort of issue. Ignorance * is not bliss; I'd advise the folks at sonata to make sure * that pirated software is not available for ftp from their site... Michael is quite right. It may be hard to prove conclusively the ``Tekton'' on Sonata is a ripoff font, but it looks close enough. The copyright laws can't much dent individual users copying fonts for personal use, but distributing either copies of legitimate fonts or ripoff fonts around inside organisations could well bring a visit from the ATypI police. ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) Subject: Re: NextStep 3.3 When? Message-ID: <Cppt4n.LwL@research.canon.oz.au> Sender: news@research.canon.oz.au Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia References: <2q2ed1$g1i@agate.berkeley.edu> <1994May3.173914.5070@seer.demon.co.uk> <1994May4.095253.2266@prim.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 00:24:22 GMT dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >I don't know how much the kernel changed between 4.3 and 4.4, but >incorporating the changes would be harder than you think. 4.4 uses Mach's VM system so some of the work has been done. Now they just have to make the VM system not blow up under load. -- Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WWW and Shell Account Date: 14 May 1994 23:36:23 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <2r45bn$lpe@digifix.digifix.com> References: <2qtmdf$7ii@apollo.west.oic.com> Matthew Dillon writes > However, there is a terminal-based WWW client that you *could* run on > the shell account. No fancy graphics, being terminal based, but it > does work. It is called 'lynx', and can be found at a number of sites. > > A quick run through archie returned: > > gatekeeper.dec.com .3/net/infosys/lynx/* > dime.cs.umass.edu pub/rcf/exp/build/lynx2-0-11.tar.Z Its also already compiled FAT and sitting on cs.orst.edu in /pub/next/binaries/wide-area-info.... Thanks to Sean Luke... -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Subject: RCS problem Message-ID: <1994May15.045503.17903@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 04:55:03 GMT Hello, since yseterday I get the following messge on my intel-NeXT: attila(2:17)> RCS logfile /private/adm/rcs.log seems permanently locked. Please alert system administrator RCS logfile /private/adm/rcs.log seems permanently locked. Please alert system administrator What does it mean and how can I correct the problem? (Yes, I am using RCS on the NeXT). Thanks for any pointers, Helmut -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: +49-89/2394-4565 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: +49-89/2394-4607 ------------------------------------------------ Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University, Institute for Medical Optics Theoretical Biophysics Group, Room 230
From: griffon@unixg.ubc.ca (James) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PROBLEM WITH NS 3.1 INSTALLATION HELP!!!!! Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 23:20:55 +1000 Organization: UBC Message-ID: <griffon.98.0011AA16@unixg.ubc.ca> Hello! I am trying to install NS3.1 on my IDE system...I have a trantor 118 SCSI adaptor....first when the Mach system boots up it doesn't sense for my CD-ROm saying no SCSI drive is found...*but I have it working under DOS and Windows...* then after that after I got pass that is says something wrong with my clock *but it is okay* then it says MACH/INIT ERRNO 2 (something like that!) What should I do??? Thanx for all the help James
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NNTP for NeXTSTEP? Date: 15 May 1994 08:08:15 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May15090815@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1994May14.192547.1906@dolphin.com> To: zac@dolphin.com (Zacharias J. Beckman) In-reply-to: zac@dolphin.com's message of Sat, 14 May 1994 19:25:47 GMT <zac@dolphin.com> writes: >I recently grabbed the NNTP source off the net... attempting to >compile it revealed that getting it to work under NS wasn't going to >be easy. Has anyone made it work on NS? If so, please point me in >the right direction (or even send a copy via NEXTMAIL is you have it >handy). Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks. I hope he doesn't get a thousand copies of NNTP sent to him :-) Can't speak for NNTP but it will work under NS... I believe the CNEWS package on cs.orst.edu/sonata comes with it... I choose to run INN though and have no problems with it. -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: transys 1.08 prob on ns/fip 3.2 Date: 15 May 1994 08:25:25 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May15092525@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <wjadams.768864223@hubcap> <Cpt9uI.K6y@amiserv.chi.il.us> To: mikef@praxis.xnet.com (Mike Fleming) In-reply-to: mikef@praxis.xnet.com's message of Sat, 14 May 1994 21:18:17 GMT <mikef@praxis.xnet.com> writes: >I have EXACTLY the same problem, and I couldn't figure out why. However, >I discovered that the error is not fatal. The thing will run fine if you >run pnid directly. In fact, I'm using it right now. This is the way I >run it...it was in the "debugging" section of the manuel. I trust there's >a more "real" way to circumvent this problem.....anyone? Well as carl said you can simply touch the file. For the more sane I'd recommend falling back to 1.7 with 1.8's license key. Works for me. -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where InstantTeX for NS/FIP? Date: 15 May 1994 14:31:21 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2r5bnp$oh9@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> The binaries at the archives are for black hw only. Are there binaries anywhere for NS/Intel? thanks R. de Lucca Johns Hopkins University
From: Roland Telfeyan <telfeyan@eecs.umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Machine dedicated to Web servers Date: 15 May 1994 14:48:18 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2r5cni$m94@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <2qu979$bgn@umd5.umd.edu> adhir@betelgeuse.iagi.com writes > Hello all - we will soon be setting up a Pentium server with some flavor of > Unix in order to use mainly as a Web/Gopher server. There will likely be 10 > or 15 different homepages on the system with many connections at a time. We We've got a DELL 486-66 on the net (flegtid.eecs.umich.edu) as a standard Unix machine with 10 NFS mounts, one NFS export of / and a couple of programmers banging on it every day. It has yet to crash or hang. Put a lot of memory in and you won't have a problem. Roland --------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Telfeyan Display Technology & Manufacturing telfeyan@eecs.umich.edu University of Michigan EECS Department ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ob@obh.in-berlin.de (Oliver Brandmueller) Subject: How to play Sounds from stdin? Message-ID: <AYROBTGG@obh.in-berlin.de> Organization: obh - private bbs in Berlin/Germany Date: Sun, 15 May 94 15:09:46 GMT Hi, which command is to be used from commandline to play a soundfile from the stdin? I can play soundfiles from the NeXT to the Sun by typing cat foo.snd | rsh berl 'cat > /dev/audio' But what I'm looking for is the opposite... Bye, Olli -- | Oliver Brandmueller | Fon/Fax: +49 30 822 99 42 | Data: +49 30 822 15 17 | | Offenbacher Str.1 | Cityruf numerisch: 315 30 68 <area> try 30 and 89 | | 14197 Berlin | "Information is information nor matter or energy." |
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem with ND window server? Date: 15 May 1994 18:18:36 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2r5p1s$i0c@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: NeXT, NeXTdimension, hard crashes, window server Hi there. I'm having the following problem with my NeXTdimension system: Since I installed a 2.1GB drive and turned the stock 425MB drive into a swapdisk, I no longer get console messages about "file system full - unable to page". Now, once the system starts swapping hard it simply seizes up, the keyboard dies, and the cursor icon spins for as long as I let it. The only way I can restore is a hard reboot (alt-cmd-*), which is unacceptable and growing rapidly tiresome. - The 425MB drive is labeled "swapdisk" and I've confirmed that it's mounted and used for swapping. - I get no console error messages at all, and I've found nothing in the etc/adm logs about the problem. - The problem occurs under conditions of heavy swapping, such as multiple animations running at the same time, a big rendering, or simply too many applications open at once. I can hear a drive thrashing, and I believe it's the gig drive because its LED is blinking. I can't see far enough into my Cube to tell if the swap drive is thrashing too. - I usually am running only Engage!, Stopwatch, Date and BackSpace in addition to WM and Preferences when I'm running big tasks. - My system didn't do this before installing the gig drive. - I have a pseudo-network set up in order to use network rendering on my standalone machine (Many thanks to Robert Nicholson and wave {Michael Johnson} for walking me through this!) I'm guessing that something is bombing either the Window Server or the ND driver. Any suggestions as to where to start on this problem will be gratefully appreciated, and would be welcome additions to the forthcoming v2.0 of the "NeXTdimension Compendium." Thanks, Steve -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
From: jmack@skye.phys.ualberta.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Problem with ND window server? Date: 15 May 1994 19:34:58 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2r5th2$rjt@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <2r5p1s$i0c@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <2r5p1s$i0c@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) writes: > Hi there. > > I'm having the following problem with my NeXTdimension system: > > Since I installed a 2.1GB drive and turned the stock 425MB drive into a >swapdisk, I no longer get console messages about "file system full - unable to >page". Now, once the system starts swapping hard it simply seizes up, the >keyboard dies, and the cursor icon spins for as long as I let it. The only way >I can restore is a hard reboot (alt-cmd-*), which is unacceptable and growing >rapidly tiresome. > > - The 425MB drive is labeled "swapdisk" and I've confirmed that it's mounted >and used for swapping. > Check what /etc/rc.swap is doing. NeXT assumes (perhaps historically) that the only swapdisk will be 40 MB, so they hardwired a hig-water mark into the rc.swap file: # Turn on paging to the swapdisk. Note the high water mark (hiwat): # this helps ensure the swapdisk doesn't get full. /usr/etc/mach_swapon -v -o prefer,lowat=16777216,hiwat=31457280 \ $NEWSWAPFILE >/dev/console 2>&1 Just change the hiwat= to whatever top end on you 425MB drive is. Given 10% off for system overhead, a value of 401080320 should be appropriate. -- James S. MacKinnon Office: P-139 Avahd-Bhatia Physics Lab Computing/Networking Phone : (403) 492-8226 Department of Physics email : jmack@phys.ualberta.ca University of Alberta uucp : uofaphys!jmack iskye!jmack Edmonton, Canada T6G 2N5 bitnet: jmack@triumfcl jsm1@ualtamts
From: thomas@zippy.sonoma.edu (Thomas Poff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXT & MM Date: 15 May 1994 21:39:03 GMT Organization: Sonoma State University, Rohnert Park, Ca. Message-ID: <2r64pn$il2@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <ZHAO.94May12083224@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu> If NeXT _isn't_ interested in multimedia, then there are definitely other companies that can be said to be interested in multimedia running on NeXTStep. In my own humble opinion, NeXTStep has infinitely larger growth potential in the multimedia market than any other OS does. This is particularly true in networked multimedia projects, but also true in more conservative multimedia applications. Pathetically short development cycles help to justify multimedia apps running under NeXTStep. There are additional perks like dynamic loading of objects that help too (particularly in terms of building cd-rom based multimedia apps). However, the real exciting thing about multimedia on the NeXT is the ease of use with regard to distributed-objects technology (running on networks). One thing that has kind of surprised me is that Interface Builder hasn't (been) grown past it's current incarnation. With a lot of work, it could become the first authoring system bundled with an OS. In addition, it could still be everything that it is today for more traditional application development. (I'm using that word "traditional" very loosely here) :-) --thomas-- thomas@zippy.sonoma.edu ---- In article <ZHAO.94May12083224@sparta.crl.nmsu.edu>, Z. Zhao <zhao@crl.nmsu.edu> wrote: >Some people in this group may be interested in the following article >posted in comp.multimedia and etc. > >I do think NeXT should have some important impact on multimedia >development. However, is NeXT interested in mm? Probably, they are, >and focused on the application for bankers. > > > >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) Subject: Sound Blaster Problems Message-ID: <riddlerCpvLwp.22y@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 03:34:01 GMT I installed the SoundBlaster Driver for NS 3.2/Intel but can't get any sound out of it. The boot messages show that it has found the card okay at the right IRQ and DMA settings and the card works okay under DOS. Has anyone gotten the driver to work properly? Any help would be great.....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: phillip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Sound Blaster Problems Message-ID: <Cpvst6.Mso@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <riddlerCpvLwp.22y@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 06:03:06 GMT In article <riddlerCpvLwp.22y@netcom.com> riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) writes: >I installed the SoundBlaster Driver for NS 3.2/Intel but can't get any >sound out of it. The boot messages show that it has found the card okay >at the right IRQ and DMA settings and the card works okay under DOS. Has >anyone gotten the driver to work properly? Any help would be great..... Is there a SB driver for NS3.2/Intel? There is a PD one which won't work on ISA systems, and a shareware one for the SB which will play 20 sounds or whatever... It's odd that a driver hasn't appeared for it. -- Philip McDunnough OR P. McDunnough (U of Toronto-stats) philip@utstat.toronto.edu (NeXT Mail) phillip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...] [Where sheep bite...]
From: jnh@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Jordan Hazen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 16 May 1994 06:22:10 GMT Organization: Electrical Engineering Computer Teaching Labs Message-ID: <2r73ei$sal@wea.eel.ufl.edu> I've run into a serious problem with NextStep, running on a network of black hardware boxes. It seems that certain programs allocate virtual-memory space and never return or re-use this space, eventually filling up the swap device to capacity with stale pages and causing a system crash. The only two programs that seem to do this (that we've noticed) are the ImageViewer application (by Lennart Lovstrand) and the Wingz spreadsheet (the last version released before Wingz was discontinued). The trouble with Wingz is particularly troublesome, because the entire network depends on a couple of Wingz servers (linked to clients via the spreadshett's Hyperscript language) for various operations. Some of these operations involve opening more than one hundred data files, and each time a file is loaded in a little bit more of the swap space gets allocated (and never freed!). By the middle of the work day, the servers' swap disks have nearly filled and performance has slowed to a crawl (it will eventually crash outright). Compounding tis memory-leak problem is the fact that the NeXT kernel will never free up the old swap page, EVEN AFTER THE OFFENDING PROGRAM HAS BEEN QUIT OR KILLED! Only a complete system reboot (rather intrusive in this environment) will allow work to resume. We have a kludged "solution" now whereby a cron job periodically reboots the computer and re-starts the Wingz servers, but this is far from optimal! Under every other version of UNIX I've encountered, memory space gets returned to the free pool once the program that allocated it is gone, but this apparently doesn't happen under NeXT Mach. All the computers involved are running NeXTStep 3.2. Is there any way out of this conundrum? Is it possible to write a privileged program that polices a program's VM usage, and de-allocated stale pages? If there's no easier way I'd like to try this, but have no idea where to begin. Your help would be very much appreciated! Thanks in advance, -- Jordan.
From: chris@stokeisland.ohi.com (Christopher J. Traynor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PGP - Where is it? Date: 16 May 1994 03:13:41 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9405160139.AA00948@stokeisland.ohi.com> All: Could someone please tell me where to get PGP? I did a search on my local archie, but it didn't come up with anything... Thanx in advance... Cheers, Chris
From: Charlesa@learned.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next-friendly WAIS clients & servers? Date: Mon, 16 May 94 14:20:21 BST Organization: EUnet GB Message-ID: <2r7rsa$ld7@marble.Britain.EU.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all- Does anybody know of a NeXT client for WAIS? How about WAIS server software? This is for 3.2 on white. Thanks for any leads... C.
From: jhh@genesis5.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CryptorBundle-1.0 and pgp 2.5 Date: 16 May 1994 13:55:42 GMT Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Distribution: na Message-ID: <2r7u0u$246@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> Some of you in the US may have tried to replace the version of pgp distributed with CryptorBundle-1.0 with the newest (and definitely legal in the US) version of pgp, version 2.5. However, due to a bug in pgp 2.5, this is not possible without fiddling with the source code. Some of you have also noticed that it is not even possible to compile pgp 2.5 on Intel machines without playing with the makefile. The kind folks at MIT who are in charge of version 2.5 say they are aware of the problems, and they will be fixed in version 2.6 (the bugs, that is [the programmers will not be fixed :-)]), which will be out soon. A number of people have noticed a simple way to hack the code to fix the problems. The Intel compilation fix is correct; the changes to pgp.c around lines 610-614 to fix the 'pgp -kv' bugs are not the right way to proceed, according to the MIT people. The output from 'pgp -kv' was erroneously sent to pgpout, but should have gone to stdout instead. Of course, if you don't care about artistic programming, and just want something to work, then you can make the changes. Again, expect a new official version of pgp that will fix these problems. -- Jim Horne jhh@waldzell.physics.yale.edu "With stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain." Friedrich von Schiller
From: joisha@bodhi.esys.cwru.edu (Prashanth Joisha) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FlowChart drawing software Date: 16 May 1994 14:46:57 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <2r8111$mrn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Hi Folks, Is there a software for Next that helps in drawing flowcharts (I am not referring to draw.app) ? Regards, Joisha
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) Subject: Fast Modem Software? Message-ID: <riddlerCpwsoB.9z6@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 18:57:46 GMT Does anyone know of a good, fast terminal program for NS 3.2/Intel? I've been using Kermit but it is sooooooo slow! I want something with Z-modem or something with a little more zing. Please don't tell me Kermit is the best as I feel like I'm back in the dark ages with its file transfer times. Also, does anyone know of a NE2000 driver? I'm pretty surprised that NS only ships with 4 network adapter drivers and would leave out such a huge protocol as NE2000. As usual, all help is greatly appreciated.
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS PC mnfct's phone #'s Message-ID: <May.16.16.18.31.1994.28932@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 16 May 94 20:18:31 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi all, I wish NeXT would put all of the vendor's telephone #'s in with the hardware compatibility guide. Im in the market for yet another intel machine and wanted to get info from the following vendors: Advance 2000 AST Compaq Mag Unisys Continental Computer Intel Im most interested in Intel, Continental Computer, Mag, and Advance 2000 because I think they will have the best prices in 486 EISA/VESA systems. If anyone could either email or post up phone #'s to the above companies, I for one would greatly appreciate it :-) Later, John
From: rogata@is-next.umd.edu (Richard Scott Ogata) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FlowChart drawing software Date: 17 May 1994 00:53:11 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <2r94hn$kl7@umd5.umd.edu> References: <2r8111$mrn@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> In article <2r8111$mrn@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> joisha@alpha writes: > >Hi Folks, > > Is there a software for Next that helps in drawing flowcharts (I am >not referring to draw.app) ? > >Regards, >Joisha Diagram! from LightHouse Design is a drawing program written especially for creating charts of all types, including flow charts. They have very aggressive educational pricing, if you qualify. Rich Ogata rogata@arpa.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: TipTop is Tops! In-Reply-To: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of Sat, 14 May 1994 18:17:12 GMT To: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May16102931@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1994May14.181712.1525@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 14:29:31 GMT In article <1994May14.181712.1525@midway.uchicago.edu> fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) writes: TipTop is integrated with GNU term, TCL, and expect. The advantage of this is that you can have basically all of the benefits of SLIP without the headaches of setting SLIP up. Another benefit of term over SLIP is that term does not require root access at the remote site. I'm sure term is a nice hack. But it emphatically does _not_ give you all the benefits of SLIP. It only allows you to run a limited set of specially modified clients. It can't run OmniWeb, Archie, NeXTstep, Netinfo, GNUS, SMTP, SNMP, NFS or NTP, not to mention rlogind, telnetd, fingerd or ftpd. In addition, while for a novice it may be easier to initially set up than SLIP, over time the modification of all the network clients which you want to use to run over term (if it can be done at all) is going to be far more time consuming. Term has its niche, but it will not replace SLIP and nobody who has access to either will chose the former. term is faster than SLIP too. On exactly what measurement or argument do you base this claim ? Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HEY NeXT, how about this keyboard problem? Message-ID: <1994May17.094206.13655@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 09:42:06 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Keywords: keyboards The keyboard to use is set on a per-user basis. But, in a network with non-adb, adb, intel, and, in future, HP machines, each with different keyboards (possibley localised!), users moving around (we do have such!) continously have to go to preferences to set the appropriate keyboard. How much easiser it would be to set the keyboard on a per-system basis! Anybody have some decent hack to handle this automatically (i.e. on login)? -Robert -- Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 Robert Frank Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail ok) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch Switzerland
From: skrbec@cig.mot.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pinnacle number? Date: 17 May 1994 13:42:42 GMT Organization: Motorola Cellulsr Infrastructure Group Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2rahki$h7d@delphinium.cig.mot.com> Does anyone know the number for the company that now handles Pinnacle's Sequence (once known as Presto!)? I just upgraded my machine, and this node-locked software no longer works for me. I'd like to get a working license. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Brad Brad Skrbec "I know engineers, they *love* to change things!" Motorola Cellular -- McCoy, "ST:TMP" Lead Engineer Work: skrbec@cig.mot.com Play: brad@darby.chi.il.us ---------------------- NeXTMail Gladly Accepted ----------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: jmeacham@ants.ci.net (James D. Meacham 3rd) Subject: vnode_pager: /private/swapdisk/vm/swapfile is full--what do I do? Message-ID: <CpyJo4.3B8@ants.ci.net> Sender: jmeacham@ants.ci.net (James D. Meacham 3rd) Organization: Meacham, Zweig, and Cats Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 17:38:27 GMT I keep getting a message on the console which says: vnode_pager: /private/swapdisk/vm/swapfile is full What do I do so this doesn't happen? I assume this means my swapfile is too small at 30 megs. I'd think this would be big enough with 20 megs of RAM. Any suggestions from the collected wisdom of NeXT 'net Gurus. Thanks in advance. Peace, James --- _____________________________________________________________________ James David Meacham, 3rd M.Div. Candidate Andover Newton Theological School e-mail:jmeacham@ants.ci.net 7 Flint Road Phone: 617-926-6024 Watertown, MA 02172 NeXTMAIL accepted Intern Minister 64-66 Marlborough Street First and Second Church in Boston Boston, MA 02116 (Unitarian Universalist) 617-267-6730 _____________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________ James David Meacham, 3rd M.Div. Candidate
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Subject: Re: vnode_pager: /private/swapdisk/vm/swapfile is full--what do I do? Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <CpyKJz.DvE@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 17:57:35 GMT References: <CpyJo4.3B8@ants.ci.net> Organization: Purdue University In article <CpyJo4.3B8@ants.ci.net> jmeacham@ants.ci.net writes: > >I keep getting a message on the console which says: > >vnode_pager: /private/swapdisk/vm/swapfile is full > >What do I do so this doesn't happen? I assume this means my swapfile is too >small at 30 megs. I'd think this would be big enough with 20 megs of RAM. Any >suggestions from the collected wisdom of NeXT 'net Gurus. Thanks in advance. Conventional Unix wisdom says you should allocate swap space in an amount equal to or greater than three times memory size -- 60MB in your case. NeXTSTEP controls swap space allocation via entries in the /etc/swaptab file and in the files of /private/vm. Look at swaptab(5) for more information.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrsma@uno.edu Subject: Programming Display Postscript System with NeXTstep Message-ID: <1994May17.182332.4185@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 18:23:32 GMT i have this book entitled: Programming the Display PostScript System with NeXTstep by Adobe Systems Incorporated. would anyone be interested in buying this book?
From: rogata@is-next.umd.edu (Richard Scott Ogata) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HEY NeXT, how about this keyboard problem? Date: 17 May 1994 19:55:53 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <2rb7g9$c60@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1994May17.094206.13655@urz.unibas.ch> Keywords: keyboards In article <1994May17.094206.13655@urz.unibas.ch> frank@ifi.unibas.ch writes: >The keyboard to use is set on a per-user basis. > >But, in a network with non-adb, adb, intel, and, in future, HP machines, >each with different keyboards (possibley localised!), users moving around >(we do have such!) continously have to go to preferences to set the >appropriate keyboard. > >How much easiser it would be to set the keyboard on a per-system basis! > >Anybody have some decent hack to handle this automatically (i.e. on login)? > >-Robert >-- Hmmm. What version of NEXTSTEP are you running? Under 3.2 you create a "FAT" keyboard file, with multiple keyboard definitions in it. NS picks the appropriate one based on the hardware you're on. Rich Ogata rogata@arpa.mil
From: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 17 May 1994 19:52:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <2r73ei$sal@wea.eel.ufl.edu> In article <2r73ei$sal@wea.eel.ufl.edu> jnh@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Jordan Hazen) writes: [Description of growing swap file problems] > > Under every other version of UNIX I've encountered, memory space gets > returned to the free pool once the program that allocated it is gone, > but this apparently doesn't happen under NeXT Mach. > Your analysis is not quite right. NEXTSTEP has no memory leaks, and the swap space grows only when the total used virtual memory is greater than the swap space size. However, the swap space (almost) never shrinks, which makes it appear as if it grows indefinitely. Your real problem is that you use to much memory. Make more space on the disk, and you will see that the swapfile doesn't grow after it has reached a certain size. That size is the maximum amount of total virtual memory you ever used simultaneously since the last reboot. This is not a bug, and you can configure the swapfile not to grow indefinitely. Then, however, the system will inevitably crash when you request more memory than the high water mark permits. That is, if you run voluminous Wingz jobs or look at gigantic pictures with ImageViewer. Mathematica is also very good at filling up the disk. It would be nice if the system would just kill the offending job, like some other UNIXes do, but then more often than not some innocent job gets killed, which is not nice, either. It's a "no free lunch" situation. Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics |630 West 168th St. BB-221 | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: indy@ih-nxt07.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SOLVED! - Re: Problem with ND window server? Date: 17 May 1994 20:35:57 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rb9rd$iqn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2r5th2$rjt@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Good News! THIS PROBLEM HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEXTDIMENSION WINDOW SERVER! In article <2r5th2$rjt@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> jmack@skye.phys.ualberta.ca writes: > In article <2r5p1s$i0c@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven > cortelou) writes: > > Hi there. > > > > I'm having the following problem with my NeXTdimension system: > > > > Since I installed a 2.1GB drive and turned the stock 425MB drive into a > >swapdisk, I no longer get console messages about "file system full - unable to > >page". Now, once the system starts swapping hard it simply seizes up, the > >keyboard dies, and the cursor icon spins for as long as I let it. The only way > >I can restore is a hard reboot (alt-cmd-*), which is unacceptable and growing > >rapidly tiresome. [blather deleted] > Check what /etc/rc.swap is doing. NeXT assumes (perhaps historically) that > the only swapdisk will be 40 MB, so they hardwired a hig-water mark into > the rc.swap file: > > # Turn on paging to the swapdisk. Note the high water mark (hiwat): > # this helps ensure the swapdisk doesn't get full. > /usr/etc/mach_swapon -v -o prefer,lowat=16777216,hiwat=31457280 \ > $NEWSWAPFILE >/dev/console 2>&1 > > Just change the hiwat= to whatever top end on you 425MB drive is. Given > 10% off for system overhead, a value of 401080320 should be appropriate. Tip o' the hat to Jim McKinnon! This was indeed the problem, and his suggestion solved it. One wonky thing about my particular system: The OS is installed on Partition A and all the Local and local directories are soft-linked to A from Partition B. The idea is to minimize mayhem and ease OS upgrading. Any modified file gets copied to B first, then tweaked, then soft-linked back. Well, rc.swap DOESN'T LIKE THIS. It must be copied in full back to A. Boot-up finicky-ness, I guess. While not a cheap solution, this does appear to have solved my swapfile problem, and if it'll do that for an ND, it'll do it for anything :-) I use NEXTSTEP freely and sloppily for heavy-duty graphics work(lots of apps open, big 32-bit images, animations, video grabbing, sometimes all at once!), so of course I'm chewing up swap space for breakfast. Ought to work for more disciplined folks. cheers, Steve Weintz EthnoGraphics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) Subject: NE2000? Message-ID: <riddlerCpypnw.79q@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 19:47:55 GMT Sorry for the repeat but someone told me I could find an NE2000 network adapter driver in 3.1_Drivers in NeXTanswers (Sorry I don't recall who told me this) but there is no such driver that I could find. Please, someone tell me there is an NE2000 driver. We have 55 machines waiting to use NS/Intel but if NE2000 isn't supported, we're going to dump the project. NE2000 is one of THE STANDARD Novell protocols. NeXT simply can't afford to ignore it and force people to buy new hardware. If this is the case I believe NS/Intel will have a very short lifespan........ In Driver Hell, Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.hnv.icem.de(Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: Fast Modem Software? Message-ID: <CpyqoK.FB@euler.hnv.icem.de> Sender: js@euler.hnv.icem.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <riddlerCpwsoB.9z6@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 20:09:55 GMT In article <riddlerCpwsoB.9z6@netcom.com> riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) writes: > Does anyone know of a good, fast terminal program for NS 3.2/Intel? I've > been using Kermit but it is sooooooo slow! I want something with Z-modem > or something with a little more zing. Please don't tell me Kermit is the > best as I feel like I'm back in the dark ages with its file transfer times. You could use a comand line version of rz/sz, the z-modem tools from within kermit. I do it and it is fast and it's free. Check the archives. Juergen --- Juergen Sell E-Mail js@icem.de ( NeXTMail ok ) Deisterstr. 18 Fax ++49-511-440617 BRD 30449 Hannover Fon ++49-511-440688 == What time do we live in when all the word 'revolution' makes you think of == is a new generation of soap powder ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.hnv.icem.de(Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: TipTop is Tops! Message-ID: <Cpyqtp.H3@euler.hnv.icem.de> Sender: js@euler.hnv.icem.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <CEDMAN.94May16102931@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 20:13:00 GMT In article <CEDMAN.94May16102931@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article <1994May14.181712.1525@midway.uchicago.edu> fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) writes: > TipTop is integrated with GNU term, TCL, and expect. The advantage of > this is that you can have basically all of the benefits of SLIP without > the headaches of setting SLIP up. Another benefit of term over SLIP > is that term does not require root access at the remote site. > > I'm sure term is a nice hack. But it emphatically does _not_ give you > all the benefits of SLIP. It only allows you to run a limited set of > specially modified clients. It can't run OmniWeb, Archie, NeXTstep, > Netinfo, GNUS, SMTP, SNMP, NFS or NTP, not to mention rlogind, > telnetd, fingerd or ftpd. In addition, while for a novice it may be > easier to initially set up than SLIP, over time the modification of > all the network clients which you want to use to run over term (if it > can be done at all) is going to be far more time consuming. Term has > its niche, but it will not replace SLIP and nobody who has access to > either will chose the former. I don't know about term, but to setup slip on the NeXT was easy for me. Just following the very good insructions - maybe two lazy hours of your time. Give it a try, you will like it. Juergen --- Juergen Sell E-Mail js@icem.de ( NeXTMail ok ) Deisterstr. 18 Fax ++49-511-440617 BRD 30449 Hannover Fon ++49-511-440688 == What time do we live in when all the word 'revolution' makes you think of == is a new generation of soap powder ?
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fast Modem Software? Date: 18 May 1994 01:44:00 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2rbrt0$j0u@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <riddlerCpwsoB.9z6@netcom.com> In article <riddlerCpwsoB.9z6@netcom.com> riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) writes: >Does anyone know of a good, fast terminal program for NS 3.2/Intel? I've >been using Kermit but it is sooooooo slow! I want something with Z-modem >or something with a little more zing. Please don't tell me Kermit is the >best as I feel like I'm back in the dark ages with its file transfer times. Either you're using a version of Kermit from the dark ages, or you have it misconfigured. Kermit 5A is faster than Z-modem! -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: woden@asgard.csuohio.edu (A.P.Santilli) Subject: Re: FlowChart drawing software Message-ID: <1994May18.035009.25815@news.csuohio.edu> Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University References: <2r8111$mrn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 03:50:09 GMT Prashanth Joisha (joisha@bodhi.esys.cwru.edu) wrote: : Hi Folks, : Is there a software for Next that helps in drawing flowcharts (I am : not referring to draw.app) ? : Regards, : Joisha I have been using Diagram 2.0 from Lighthouse Design- very good app... try the demo (available at cs.orst.edu, etc.). -- Angelo Santilli (santilli@csuohio.edu) NeXTMail Accepted Voice & Data Network Supervisor; Cleveland State University "traveling without moving..." -Frank Herbert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HEY NeXT, how about this keyboard problem? Message-ID: <1994May18.073024.22881@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 07:30:24 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <2rb7g9$c60@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <2rb7g9$c60@umd5.umd.edu> writes: > In article <1994May17.094206.13655@urz.unibas.ch> frank@ifi.unibas.ch writes: > >The keyboard to use is set on a per-user basis. > > > >But, in a network with non-adb, adb, intel, and, in future, HP machines, > >each with different keyboards (possibley localised!), users moving around > >(we do have such!) continously have to go to preferences to set the > >appropriate keyboard. > > > >How much easiser it would be to set the keyboard on a per-system basis! > > > >Anybody have some decent hack to handle this automatically (i.e. on login)? > > > >-Robert > >-- > > Hmmm. What version of NEXTSTEP are you running? Under 3.2 you create > a "FAT" keyboard file, with multiple keyboard definitions in it. NS picks the > appropriate one based on the hardware you're on. > > > Rich Ogata > rogata@arpa.mil > Ah, yes, that's ok if you are using, say US keyboards on all systems. But we have Swiss-German on some, US on others. That's when the mess starts! You login in to a machine with USkeyboard and have your preferences set to Swiss-German - type a 'y' and get a 'z', want ';' and have to press '<' ... A situation NeXT (being US) most probably never thought of, after all who needs anything other than US-keyboards? :-) Right? And yes, we are running 3.2. -Robert -- Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 Robert Frank Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail ok) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch Switzerland
From: sears@uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Updated GatorFTP Date: 18 May 1994 12:44:53 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <2rd2k5$gmd@masala.cc.uh.edu> The newest release of GatorFTP dated 5/17/94 (still 1.5, but there were some minor fixes) is located at: uhoop.egr.uh.edu:/pub/misc/GatorFTP/GatorFTP_MAB_1.5.app.tar.Z -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: mek@guinan.arl.psu.edu (Mark E. Kotanchek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FrameMaker Status Update Date: 18 May 1994 14:17:35 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Message-ID: <2rd81v$uu6@hearst.cac.psu.edu> Hi y'all, I really don't want to be posting this; however, I had some technical problems and the response frome comments@frame.com included.... I've got two problems at the moment using FrameMaker 3.0.1 under NeXTSTEP 3.2 on my NeXTstation. (WHEN are you going to let me upgrade to FrameMaker 4.0?) The announcement by NeXT in February of last year that the NeXT cube would no longer be manufactured caused us to evaluate our plans for Frame4 on the NeXT hardware. Frame has determined, given the relative small size of this market and the potential accompanying support costs, that the demand for the NeXT platform is insufficient to warrant the investment in porting any new products to this platform. Therefore, Frame has discontinued product support for the NeXT platform in two phases. Phase I is to drop all plans to support any new products on this platform. Under Phase II, Frame will continue to support the current NeXT FSS customers but only through the existing term of the agreement. As an incentive to encourage the NeXT FSS customers to move to another platform, Frame is offering its FSS customers the option to switch to another standard platform offered by Frame for the same product at no additional charge. This offer may be exercised during the remaining term of the FSS agreement, up until December 31, 1994, or the until the next major release of the product occurs, whichever shall come first. Non-current FSS customers and non-FSS Users (same class) may migrate to any standard platform offered by Frame by purchasing the selected platform at the then current upgrade price. This offer shall expire on December 31, 1994 or upon the release of another major upgrade whichever occurs first. Your email path has been retained on a NeXT-specific electronic list so that you will automatically receive additional information on this topic as it is announced. We are continuing to evaluate the NeXTSTEP market on other platforms (Intel, HP and Sun). We do not anticipate a release for NS on these platforms at the present time. So it appears I can switch to another platform (for "cheap") or stick with NeXTSTEP and return to my LaTeX roots to handle my figure and equation-laden documents. :( Mark. -- Mark Kotanchek Signal Processing Dept - 363 ASB Applied Research Lab/Penn State P.O. Box 30 State College, PA 16804
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Slip & Ethernet, can it be done? Message-ID: <May.18.10.48.05.1994.14736@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 18 May 94 14:48:05 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi All, I recently set up PNI slip and it at least partially worked for me. However, my local IP address, as can be found in host manager was different from what local IP I was given by the slip server. So, I could email stuff out to people, but nothing would get to me. Now I have a little net of two machines eneted together, and I thought I could just change the IP on the machine with the modem to match that of what the slip server assigns me at login. So after changing the IP's to match and trying to login via SLIP, SLIP hangs whenever I try to telnet, or ftp or anything! Maybe your not supposed to have the same Hostmanager IP and Slip server IP??? If not, then how do you get things like mail to know how to get to your account? Or maybe the problem is that enet and slip cannot coexist? Thanks for any/all help. Later, John
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A question of interface Date: 18 May 1994 15:35:42 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2rdcke$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> <2qhvp2$1ika@thebes.cc.waikato.ac.nz> <Cppp6q.1s6@microsoft.com> Jeff Henshaw (jhenshaw@microsoft.com) wrote: : In article <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca wrote: : > Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: : > : Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to locate, : > : launch, close, save, quit and hide an application but it is not possible : > : to unhide. Nor is it possible to switch focus between applications without : > : using the mouse (c.f. Windows 3.1/NT, Unixware etc.). : > : > This is part of NeXT's interface philosophy. Keyboard hotkeys are a : > convenience to speed things up, not the primary method of getting around. : > Remember, this is a _graphical_ user interface. It is much more : > intuitive to use the mouse, rather than the keryboard for stuff like that. : > When I am forced to use MS Windoze, I find I can't live without the : > keyboard for navigating menus and windows; not so with NeXTSTEP. : I don't understand what it is about Windows that makes you say : "I find I can't live without the keyboard for navigating menus : and windows." I see Windows as being just as easily navigated : as NeXTSTEP is with a mouse, and having a keyboard equivalent : for nearly all interface operations. The fact that Windows IMHO a big advantage for NEXTSTEP over windows is the vertical orientation of ALL menus (not only the pull-down menus): - you get the contents of the menu with just one look (if it's not my Services menu, but that's another point) - it's much easier to navigate the mouse in a rectangle with moderate x-y ratio (typically 1:2 for NEXTSTEP, see above ;-) and items with the same size each: NEXTSTEP main menu: aaaaaa bbbbbb xxxxxx yyyyyy zzzzzz than in a Windows menu with an exorbitant x-y ratio of typically 20:1, where you have many vertical boxes of different length: Windows main menu: aaaaaaaa bbb ccccc dddddddddd eee You have to be careful not to leave the small vertical range of the menu. So with Windows, it's easier to use the well-defined reactions to key presses to switch from one menu item to the next than to concentrate on the correct navigation of the mouse. With NEXTSTEP's vertical concept, navigation is IMHO so easy, that you don't even think about using the keyboard for this. : > I find 'maximized' windows offensive. What is the advantage? Full-screen : > windows make it hard to switch applications, and they make it nearly : > impossible to _really use_ two or more apps at the same time. NeXT's : > concept of 'floating' windows (unlike Windoze, where all the document : > windows are contained within the app's master window), the idea that all : > windows and panels can float freely about the screen, make 'maximized' : > windows unnecesary for MOST apps. Those apps that would benefit from : > full-screen windows should implement a Windows->Maximize menu option... : Again, Windows doesn't FORCE you to maximize anything. I have never : seen a Windows application that requires itself to run maximized. : I'm sure they exist, but they are definitely not the norm. Again, its : your choice. If you don't want your windows maximized, then leave : them in a "restored" state. The choice is yours. It forces you to maximize the application window in that it puts all of its document windows in ONE rectangle. So if you 'REALLY' use windows, you have to take care that each application's main window is big enough that you can confortably move all sub windows in it, and this means for normal work that you will use the whole screen for the applications window. That's how I see it. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BugNeXT: What is reasonable use of it ? Date: 18 May 1994 15:51:00 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <2rddh4$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Perhaps somebody from NeXT would like to speak to this point: Would they like us to use BugNeXT extensively for suggestions ? In the last time there were several hints to 'Bug NeXT' if it came to UI annoyances (take the Emacs<->Edit discussions). Well, I had many little and some bigger suggestions to NeXT about bundled applications as well as IMHO UI shortcomings, but until now I didn't want to flood them with my thoughts. So is it reasonable to submit even minor suggestions via BugNeXT ? Or should we be careful only to submit to more serious things, since you have enough work even so ? Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: Sendmail V8 (who's running it?) Date: 18 May 1994 16:05:35 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May18170535@steffi.demon.co.uk> Recently I moved over to smail and smail supports NeXT netinfo aliasing (relatively trivial) so ... Who's running the new sendmail ... Perhaps it can be coaxed to also support netinfo aliases... Any other benefits from using the new Sendmail... As I understand it need to go and grab the new BSD dbm stuff too? How trivial are the config files for this? -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Creating HTML documents? Message-ID: <1994May18.190135.1081@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 19:01:35 GMT Hi, what is everyone using to create HTML documents under NeXTStep? Is there anything which allows you to drag'n'drop file icons to create links? BTW, when I was writing my newsreader, to handle the problem of interpreting NewsGrazer/MIME/NeXTMail/etc format, I had a list of filters each of which parsed an RTF stream and carried out any necessary conversions. Something like this coupled with Edit would be ideal. Imagine if you had a HTML filter switched on which checked for the presence of <a href="URL">...</a> strings (ie hyperlinks to other files) and converted them to buttons. Clicking on the button would take you to that file. The advantage of this is that it could replace NeXT's help links. You don't need RTF for this, so you could embed them in source code. They could also appear as plain text within RTF files. Wouldn't it be nice if filters of the sort I'm talking about were a standard feature of the AppKit, so that any application with a Text object (especially Mail.app) could automatically make use of them. There could also be a standard way of opening URL's in the Workspace Manager. Dave Griffiths PS: If I a decent HTML editor doesn't exist for NS, maybe I'll write an indecent one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: A question of interface Message-ID: <May18.185954.51639@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 18:59:54 GMT References: <2rdcke$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada In article <2rdcke$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) writes: > Jeff Henshaw (jhenshaw@microsoft.com) wrote: > : In article <CpHr1r.Bp9@cunews.carleton.ca> csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca > : wrote: > : > Kerry Guise (kerry@totara.cs.waikato.ac.nz) wrote: > : > : Under NS 3.0 it is possible, without touching the mouse, to .. > : your choice. If you don't want your windows maximized, then leave > : them in a "restored" state. The choice is yours. > > It forces you to maximize the application window in that it puts all of > its document windows in ONE rectangle. So if you 'REALLY' use windows, > you have to take care that each application's main window is big enough > that you can confortably move all sub windows in it, and this means for > normal work that you will use the whole screen for the applications > window. > > That's how I see it. > > Gregor > An interesting observation with regards to this "multiple document interface" or "document window inside application window" nonsense is that even MicroSoft has acknowledged it is a bad idea because they have apparently dropped it in the interface guidelines for their forthcoming OS releases. Another interesting bit of trivia (or rumour?) which I recently heard is that the close button on windows has been moved to the upper right corner, and now has an X in it. It sounds a little hard to believe , but would be hysterical if true. Can anyone confirm this, or am I just wrong? -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca
From: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (Alok K. Dhir) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 1152x832 on #9GXE? Date: 18 May 1994 19:09:24 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <2rdp54$bnu@umd5.umd.edu> Hello all - is it possible to run NS3.2/Intel with a #9GXE Level 12 VLB at the 1152x819x16 resolution? The drivers supply a 1152x819xBW:8 option, but I don't see why this card shouldn't be able to do 16 bits at this resolution. Can it be done? Thanks -- -------------------------------------___--------------------------------- | Al Dhir, Programmer Analyst /___\ UMCP Ag-Engineering Dept | | Internet: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (o o) (301) 405-1197 | ---------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-----------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: makto@cis.umassd.edu (Makoto Sadahiro) Subject: what is ggraphics capability of next? Message-ID: <Cq0Jzo.5t4@umassd.edu> Keywords: what is graphics capability of next? Sender: usenet@umassd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 19:40:34 GMT hello. i am wondering if there is any good photo editing or painting software like photoshop on macintosh. i am thinking getting next for graphics work if trere are good software. also, what is graphics display capability on next? can it display 24 bit? i knwo this is silly question, but i dont know a lot about next. if next is good machine for graphics, i really like to get one since this was dream machine when i was smaller...thank you makto@cis.umassd.edu
From: okidz@ccs.neu.edu (Oki D Zakaria) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: DELL Dimension XPS Date: 18 May 1994 21:54:28 GMT Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University. Message-ID: <2re2qk$3d9@narnia.ccs.neu.edu> Any success stories about installing NS on the machine? How good is its 17" screen? Thanks, Oki
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: djc@puck.fnbc.com (Dan Crimmins) Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! In-Reply-To: windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu's message of 17 May 1994 19:52:36 GMT Message-ID: <DJC.94May18104246@puck.fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago, IL References: <2r73ei$sal@wea.eel.ufl.edu> <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: 18 May 94 10:42:46 In article <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > Your analysis is not quite right. NEXTSTEP has no memory leaks, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ now *that* is the boldest statement i've heard in quite some time. :-) --d. -- dan crimmins djc@fnbc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) Subject: Re: TipTop is Tops! Message-ID: <1994May18.154217.6963@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 15:42:17 GMT I wrote: >>> TipTop is integrated with GNU term, TCL, and expect. The advantage of >>> this is that you can have basically all of the benefits of SLIP without >>> the headaches of setting SLIP up. Another benefit of term over SLIP >>> is that term does not require root access at the remote site. Carl Edman responded: >> I'm sure term is a nice hack. But it emphatically does _not_ give you >> all the benefits of SLIP. It only allows you to run a limited set of >> specially modified clients. It can't run OmniWeb, Archie, NeXTstep, >> Netinfo, GNUS, SMTP, SNMP, NFS or NTP, not to mention rlogind, >> telnetd, fingerd or ftpd. In addition, while for a novice it may be >> easier to initially set up than SLIP, over time the modification of >> telnetd, fingerd or ftpd. In addition, while for a novice it may be >> all the network clients which you want to use to run over term (if it >> can be done at all) is going to be far more time consuming. Term has >> its niche, but it will not replace SLIP and nobody who has access to >> either will chose the former. Correct - term does not give everything that SLIP does. I should have stated that term provides all of the services that *I* was using SLIP for previously. If you have a dedicated line and need extensive networking, it is clear that SLIP is the best solution. But for me, and I think many people, term provides the required services without the overhead of SLIP and the non-trivial setup. Using the term client tredir, which redirects local ports to the remote server, I can run NewsGrazer, telnet, ftp, OmniWeb, etc. without SLIP. Also, and what is most important for my application, I can use the term client txconn to display remotely generated X-windows on my NeXT at home (or display X-windows from my machine at work). With the help provided with the SLIP package I was able to implement SLIP in a couple of hours. On the other hand, term took less than 5 minutes to configure. The term that is bundled with TipTop requires even less set up. I wrote: >>> term is faster than SLIP too. Carl Edman responded: >> On exactly what measurement or argument do you base this claim ? Specifically, displaying x-windows with graphics is faster. Also down- loads were faster. This only makes sense to me, since term does not provide all of the services of SLIP, there is less overhead over the line. Also file transfers seem to go faster. Lastly, if you do not have root access to the remote site, and the remote site does not provide SLIP (as is the case for the public computing facilities at the Univ. of Chicago) term is the only viable solution that I know of for multiple logins etc. So, in my excitement over TipTop I made a false statement about SLIP. - eric fortune fo6r@midway.uchicago.edu NeXTMail OK (thanks to term)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Slip & Ethernet, can it be done? Message-ID: <1994May18.223040.6204@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <May.18.10.48.05.1994.14736@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 22:30:40 GMT In article <May.18.10.48.05.1994.14736@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > Hi All, > I recently set up PNI slip and it at least partially worked for me. > However, my local IP address, as can be found in host manager was different > from what local IP I was given by the slip server. So, I could email stuff > out to people, but nothing would get to me. > Now I have a little net of two machines eneted together, and I thought > I could just change the IP on the machine with the modem to match that of what > the slip server assigns me at login. So after changing the IP's to match > and trying to login via SLIP, SLIP hangs whenever I try to telnet, or ftp or > anything! > > Maybe your not supposed to have the same Hostmanager IP and Slip server > IP??? If not, then how do you get things like mail to know how to get to your > account? Or maybe the problem is that enet and slip cannot coexist? It all works together just fine. The IP address is the address of your interface, and is used to determine what interface to use (SLIP or enet). If you are losing mail, it is far more likely that your machine name is incorrect. HostManager Local IP address (for /etc/hostconfig) must be your ethernet address. The SLIP IP address should be in your SLIP config files, and nowhere else. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomas@netcom.com (Tom Thomas) Subject: Next doom with mail order WAD.. HELP Message-ID: <thomasCq123B.HEF@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 02:11:35 GMT Is it possible to run the 1.2 MAB DOOM from cs.orst.edu with the mail-order WAD file, or the WAD files that are floating around on the net? If so, How? I tried to load one of the WAD's floating around on the net with the command >Doom -f NewWad.wad No luck.. I'd like to buy the game, but not if it won't run on a black box.. Thanks!
From: drmikey@d0nx01.fnal.gov (Michael Albert Tartaglia) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: is graduated control of ZOOM possible in PREVIEW ? Date: 19 May 1994 02:51:22 GMT Organization: FERMILAB, Batavia, IL Message-ID: <2rek7b$bm1@fnnews.fnal.gov> Greetings, I would like to adjust the scale of a scanned (bit map) eps graphic image while it is displayed on my screen (to capture it with GRAB, actually). I am using the PREVIEW app to view the file, and find that the options ZOOM IN and ZOOM OUT have rather course magnification. Is there any way to interpolate or fine control the zoom, or perhaps dwrite the magnification scale factor (I couldn't find one)? I would prefer not having to muck with the postscript language directly. Thanks for any help, Mike Tartaglia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: gap (Gernot A. Pohl) Subject: text converter Message-ID: <1994May18.180310.1439@utata.wy.in-berlin.de> Sender: grisu@utata.wy.in-berlin.de (Gernot Armin Pohl) Organization: YW Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 18:03:10 GMT Does exist any free available & some intelligent text converter to get some lovely DOS texts (with placed graphics) into NeXT? (i.e. WinWord Word .... & whatever ===> RichText (rtf)) Or any hints to a program on the market? -- .. viel Spasz! > Grisu grisu@utata.wy.in-berlin.de \_/ alt.: grisu@uriela.in-berlin.de Gernot A. Pohl
From: steve@eps.rain.com (Steve Kornreich) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NXBench question Date: 19 May 1994 05:08:21 GMT Organization: Kornreich Communications Distribution: world Message-ID: <2res85$nfp@eps.rain.com> Does a higher NXfactor rating in theory mean better performance?? or is it the inverse.. The lower the number, the better. -- Steven Kornreich steve@eps.rain.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: linje@texhrc.uucp (Jeff Lin) Subject: [HELP] Bootable floppy for NS 2.1 Message-ID: <1994May18.184010.24278@texhrc.uucp> Organization: Texaco EPTD Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 18:40:10 GMT Hi, I really screwed up last night, I messed yp my "/etc/fstab" on my old NS 2.1 cube. I know there was a bootable floppy build program on the net, but as you probably has figured out by now, I NEVER BOTHER TO BUILD ONE (stupid !). And of course, my original MO... well it died a long long time ago. So, now I can't get my 6-year old cube to come up. If there are some KIND soul out there who can send me a bootable floppy, I'll pay $10 + shipping for his/her trouble. Thanks and please help.. -- Jeff Lin __/__/__/ __/__/__/ __/__/__/ __/__/__/ . . . . . . . . . . __/ __/ __/ __/ . Jeff Lin . __/ __/__/ __/__/ __/__/ . linj@Texaco.com . __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ . 713-975-4592 . __/__/__/ __/__/__/ __/ __/ . . . . . . . . . .
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Hidden feature Date: 19 May 1994 12:00:06 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <2rfkc6$fl1@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <9404262334.AA00303@relay2.geis.com> erictremblay@genie.geis.com wrote: : : Some friends on the GEnie Information Service discovered a : hidden feature in the ProductFeedback app that comes with : NeXTSTEP 3.2. [...] : Go in the Info panel and click 5 times rapidly on the : clipboard icon. : : It's a cool "morph" type animation... BTW, maybe this is common knowledge, but if you click once on the NeXT icon in the Info panel of the Workspace Manager, you get a similar effect. Maybe this is even in the style guide ? Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
From: spacl@essex.ac.uk (Libor Spacek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 19 May 1994 14:27:26 GMT Organization: Essex University, England Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rft0e$2k9@seralph0.essex.ac.uk> References: <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In article <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > In article <2r73ei$sal@wea.eel.ufl.edu> jnh@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Jordan > Hazen) writes: > [Description of growing swap file problems] > > > > Under every other version of UNIX I've encountered, memory space gets > > returned to the free pool once the program that allocated it is gone, > > but this apparently doesn't happen under NeXT Mach. > > > Your analysis is not quite right. NEXTSTEP has no memory leaks, > and the swap space grows only when the total used virtual memory > is greater than the swap space size. However, the swap space > (almost) never shrinks, which makes it appear as if it grows > indefinitely. Your real problem is that you use to much memory. Oh, come on, give us a chance! I agree with Jordan Hazen. If your disk swapspace mirrors the virtual memory, it should behave in the same way, ie. SHRINK when no longer needed. You kid yourself that all is fine by telling us not to use memory. -- Libor Spacek, Computer Science, University of Essex, Colchester CO4 3SQ, UK.
From: t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Message-ID: <2845@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 19 May 94 15:41:26 GMT References: <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2rft0e$2k9@seralph0.essex.ac.uk> Distribution: world Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). Simplified scheme of things: at work: SunOS 4.1.3: swap partition or fixed size file, if need more -> program won't run or crashes if use less -> unused (well, in /tmp). at home: NextStep 3.0: compressed swap file, if need more -> extend swapfile until disk full if use less -> almost always unused. i.e. nextstep offers moore flexibility at the expense of worse consequences when reaching the end of the string. But one can set aside a swap partition in NextStep as well and get the SunOS behaviour. My fl 0.02 worth, Geert Jan van Oldenborgh
From: cherp@cscnx15 (Chernett P) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 19 May 1994 16:00:53 GMT Organization: Essex University, England Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rg2fl$46t@seralph0.essex.ac.uk> References: <2rft0e$2k9@seralph0.essex.ac.uk> In article <2rft0e$2k9@seralph0.essex.ac.uk> spacl@essex.ac.uk (Libor Spacek) writes: > In article <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > > In article <2r73ei$sal@wea.eel.ufl.edu> jnh@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Jordan > > Hazen) writes: > > [Description of growing swap file problems] > > > > > > Under every other version of UNIX I've encountered, memory space gets > > > returned to the free pool once the program that allocated it is gone, > > > but this apparently doesn't happen under NeXT Mach. > > > > > Your analysis is not quite right. NEXTSTEP has no memory leaks, > > and the swap space grows only when the total used virtual memory > > is greater than the swap space size. However, the swap space > > (almost) never shrinks, which makes it appear as if it grows > > indefinitely. Your real problem is that you use to much memory. > > > Oh, come on, give us a chance! > I agree with Jordan Hazen. > > If your disk swapspace mirrors the virtual memory, > it should behave in the same way, ie. SHRINK when no longer needed. > > You kid yourself that all is fine by telling us not to use > memory. > > -- > Libor Spacek, Computer Science, University of Essex, Colchester CO4 3SQ, UK. This is a bug. It has always been a bug with NeXTSTEP. NeXT have always promised to fix it. I run a lrge network of some thirty NeXTSTEP machines, and this is still by far the biggest source of problems. I am unable to use NeXTs as file servers because they crash too often due to this problem. Other workstations will run for many, months without ever rebooting. 3 or 4 weeks is probably the record for a NeXT. Please mend this NeXT!! -- ************************************* * Paul Chernett University of Essex * * Department of Computer Science * * cherp@essex.ac.uk 0206 872048 * * NeXT Mail welcome * *************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: armin@kd.fh-hannover.de (Armin Retzko) Subject: MouseX problem - using german keyboard Message-ID: <armin.769362376@master> Summary: How to use a german keyboard with MouseX? Keywords: MouseX Sender: news@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (News Service) Organization: RRZN Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 15:46:16 GMT I have a problem with X11R5 (MouseX) I have here a NeXTcube with a NeXTdimension board running NeXTstep 3.0. I've installed X11R5 (MouseX) and it's working fine. The problem is that X11 is using a US keymapping and i have a german keyboard. I tried to work around this by changing the kemapping with xmodmap, but it sucks, because i can't get X to show a "german double s" (in X called "ssharp"). Can somebody help me out? -------------------------------------------------------------- Armin Retzko Schumannstr.5 30823 Garbsen Germany e-mail: armin@kd.fh-hannover.de -------------------------------------------------------------- -- Armin Retzko e-mail: armin@kd.fh-hannover.de
From: sandman@well.sf.ca.us (W. Sanford May) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Internet SLIP link on NeXT (Black) Date: 19 May 1994 16:25:49 GMT Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Message-ID: <2rg3ud$e75@nkosi.well.com> I am trying to configure a NeXT Cube running NS 3.0 for connection to the Internet via a SLIP link. I plan to use Netcom as the SLIP provider. I want to be able to use ftp, telnet, mail, NewsGrazer to read Usenet news, finger, etc. as well as shareware/freeware software for such things as gopher and World-Wide Web access. I'm connecting with a 14.4 kbps modem (US Robotics - Hayes compatible). Does anyone have experience or how-to information concerning set up for this kind of SLIP link? Any and all detailed how-to, hints, tips, traps, etc. via post or email would be greatly appreciated. I'd really like to use the NeXT Cube as my primary machine for net access. If I can't figure it out, I'll have to default to my Mac, which I'd rather avoid. thanks... sanford
From: nextug@ac.dal.ca (Christopher Majka) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Surely never on NeXTSTEP ... Message-ID: <1994May19.124633.24199@dal1> Date: 19 May 94 12:46:33 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada From European Elan, No 209. 13-19 May, 1994. CYBERFLOP HORROR Bologna, Italy A record 35,000 people were attracted to this year's Bologna Erotica Festival. Excitement was at a fever pitch following news that it would be the pioneering showcase for the eroticism of the future -- cybersex. This is simulated sex, using computer screens and electronic probes. Unfortunately, on the night, the cybersex suits kept blowing up. One of the lady demonstrators, Milly, told the audience not only that she felt nothing pleasant, but also that she feared the machine could harm her. To stop the resulting exodus of the audience from the room, Milly, in despair, tore off her cybersuit and adopted a good old- fashioned tactic: she bared her breasts. The Norwegian inventor of the electronic sex machine, Stahl Stenslie, said the technology was still at an experimental stage -- and Milly had "moved around too much." He claimed that his device would enable any two people in the world to make love from a distance, provided they each had a Macintosh computer, a modem and access to a telephone line. The cybersex machine was not a porn accessory, but was intended to alleviate "profound social problems": for instance, "to aid the disabled and those in prison."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cq24zv.L9o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 16:11:55 GMT References: <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2rft0e$2k9@seralph0.essex.ac.uk> <2845@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Organization: Purdue University The swap file can be directed to shrink by the low water option in /etc/swaptab. See this comment in swaptab(5): lowat=size Attempt to shrink the file down to the low water mark, size, when pag- ing resources are freed. If size equals zero, then the paging file does not shrink as resources are freed.
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 19 May 1994 18:04:53 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2rft0e$2k9@seralph0.essex.ac.uk> <2845@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> <Cq24zv.L9o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> >> The swap file can be directed to shrink by the low water option in >> /etc/swaptab. See this comment in swaptab(5): Yes, very nice words in swaptab(5). However, I've had lowat set in my swaptab for some time under 3.2 (black if that matters) and the swapfile has never ever shrunk. Since I use Mathematica (a major memory hog), I have to reboot periodically to clear the swap file. I agree that it's better to have a swapfile that grows instead of a fixed size, but it would be better still to have one that shrinks too. As for the argument that at least the unused pages in the big swapfile are reused (which I'm not sure is 100% true), it still doesn't help when an application (e.g. Mathematica) has filled up the disk with swapfile. Quitting the application doesn't make the machine usable again--you have to reboot. A shrinking swapfile would allow the machine to work after quitting without rebooting. mark
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 12:33:06 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <AhqtH2W00iV2Q3ka1i@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2rft0e$2k9@seralph0.essex.ac.uk> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 19-May-94 Re: Virtual mem. never get .. by Libor Spacek@essex.ac.uk > Oh, come on, give us a chance! > I agree with Jordan Hazen. > > If your disk swapspace mirrors the virtual memory, > it should behave in the same way, ie. SHRINK when no longer needed. How? To make the swapfile shrink, you would probably have to stop all processing and perform garbage collection. This could result in a number of problems, including lost packets from the ethernet, dropping characters from the serial lines/DSP, and other serious nastynesses. Other Unix systems force you to allocate swap partitions before booting the machine, which means you must permenantly dedicate your swapspace, instead of having your swapfile grow to meet demand as NEXTSTEP does. I would suggest getting a swapdisk. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 19 May 1994 18:39:02 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2rgbo6$lok@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <AhqtH2W00iV2Q3ka1i@andrew.cmu.edu> >> How? To make the swapfile shrink, you would probably have to stop all >> processing and perform garbage collection. This could result in a It doesn't have to shrink instantaneously. A continuous process of moving the last swap page in the file down to the lowest slot would be good enough. It wouldn't have to do this as fast as it can either, just when it sees a bunch of space but none at the top. Anyway, the user is always right. It's not our job to figure out the implementation--I'm sure that there's a way to do it that does not adversely affect performance. It's NeXT's job to be creative, ignore the naysayers, and write insanely great software. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cq2BHL.A5L@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 18:32:09 GMT References: <2845@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> <Cq24zv.L9o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Purdue University In article <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > >>> The swap file can be directed to shrink by the low water option in >>> /etc/swaptab. See this comment in swaptab(5): > >Yes, very nice words in swaptab(5). However, I've had lowat set in >my swaptab for some time under 3.2 (black if that matters) and the >swapfile has never ever shrunk. Since I use Mathematica (a major >memory hog), I have to reboot periodically to clear the swap file. Try: # /usr/etc/mach_swapon -v -o lowat=<nnnn> /private/vm/swapfile You'll get a warning message that the swapfile is busy, but ``ls -l'' says it has been shrunk to <nnnn>. > >I agree that it's better to have a swapfile that grows instead of >a fixed size, but it would be better still to have one that shrinks >too. > >As for the argument that at least the unused pages in the big swapfile >are reused (which I'm not sure is 100% true), it still doesn't help >when an application (e.g. Mathematica) has filled up the disk with >swapfile. Quitting the application doesn't make the machine usable >again--you have to reboot. A shrinking swapfile would allow the >machine to work after quitting without rebooting. > >mark
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 19 May 1994 19:00:33 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rgd0h$hk7@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > > >> The swap file can be directed to shrink by the low water option > >> in /etc/swaptab. See this comment in swaptab(5): > > Yes, very nice words in swaptab(5). However, I've had lowat set in > my swaptab for some time under 3.2 (black if that matters) and the > swapfile has never ever shrunk. Since I use Mathematica (a major > memory hog), I have to reboot periodically to clear the swap file. I've seen my swapfile shrink at times, though it's not as often as I'd like. I do have to reboot occasionally for no other reason than the swapfile. The trick is finding whichever process has that "top-most" page allocated. Sometimes I can get the swapfile to shrink by logging out, and then typing "exit" to the loginwindow (thus restarting that and the window server). Of course, many times that's not all that much different from rebooting the system, and on top of that it doesn't always work either. It does seem to me that it should be possible for the OS to migrate those virtual pages (after all, they are *virtual* pages, it's not like they *have* to appear at any given spot in the swapfile). And from the user's point of view, it would be "A Good Thing(tm)". -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk (Stephen Fitzpatrick) Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Message-ID: <1994May19.200034.8235@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@ousrvr.oulu.fi Organization: University of Oulu References: <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 20:00:34 GMT What does setting the high water mark in swaptab do? Does it force reuse of pages if the swapfile reaches the mark? Or does it just crash the system? Would it be possible for each process to have a swapfile, which would be deleted when the process terminates? (With a shared file for shared pages.) -- Stephen Fitzpatrick | sfitzp@cs.qub.ac.uk O-O Department of Computer Science | (NeXT mail ok) | The Queen's University of Belfast|"Keep passing the OpenWindows" v or shared
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <2rghke$po7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Control: cancel <2rghke$po7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: 19 May 1994 20:20:20 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2rghm4$pq2@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <2rghke$po7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> was cancelled from within trn.
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 19 May 1994 20:22:48 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2rghqo$ps3@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2845@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> <Cq24zv.L9o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <Cq2BHL.A5L@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Vic Abell (abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu) suggested: >> Try: >> >> # /usr/etc/mach_swapon -v -o lowat=<nnnn> /private/vm/swapfile Important safety tip: DON'T DO THIS. I tried it and froze my machine to the point where I had to *unplug* it to get it back again. (None of the magic key combinations worked.) I'm not going to try that again. It did indeed shrink the swapfile, but it apparently did so completely indiscriminately, i.e. with no regard for the possibility that some of the stuff at the end was still in use. I suppose in some perverse sense, it did eventually accomplish the task of correctly shrinking the swap file, since it forced me to crawl under the desk and unplug the machine and reboot it, after which the swapfile was at the lowat mark and working. Hardly an optimal solution however. Mark (I'll try anything once) Adler
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cq2Jp1.o36@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 21:29:25 GMT References: <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <Cq2BHL.A5L@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <2rghqo$ps3@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Purdue University In article <2rghqo$ps3@gap.cco.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > >Vic Abell (abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu) suggested: > >>> Try: >>> >>> # /usr/etc/mach_swapon -v -o lowat=<nnnn> /private/vm/swapfile > >Important safety tip: DON'T DO THIS. I tried it and froze my machine >to the point where I had to *unplug* it to get it back again. (None of >the magic key combinations worked.) I'm not going to try that again. Hmmm. I tried it before posting the suggestion and it worked without problem for me. It's effect must depend on system activity. Sorry it caused you trouble. And, of course, you're correct that everyone should consider it a risky venture, given your experience.
From: fxr9483@hertz.njit.edu (-=] CodeMan [=-) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SCSI Card Message-ID: <1994May19.215459.3338@njitgw.njit.edu> Date: 19 May 94 21:54:59 GMT Sender: news@njit.edu Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. I am getting a SCSI card, and would like to know which one to get to be compatable with NS. I can get a good price on the Adaptec Local bus one (i think its the 2542?) Will that one be ok? -Frank
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 15:37:34 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <Uhqvzym00iV785Qukg@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2rg2fl$46t@seralph0.essex.ac.uk> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 19-May-94 Re: Virtual mem. never get .. by Chernett P@cscnx15 > This is a bug. It has always been a bug with NeXTSTEP. NeXT have always > promised to fix it. I run a lrge network of some thirty NeXTSTEP machines, > and this is still by far the biggest source of problems. I am unable to use > NeXTs as file servers because they crash too often due to this problem. Please. This might fairly be described a deficiency with the OS, but it is certainly not a bug (unless you also consider the fixed swap partitions of other Unix boxes to be a bug as well). > Other workstations will run for many, months without ever rebooting. 3 or 4 > weeks is probably the record for a NeXT. Provide the machines with a decent amount of swap space, and they can stay up much longer then that. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: Morgan P Hankins <mh7e+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need video help Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 18:00:37 -0400 Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Ahqy65m00YUoAa441e@andrew.cmu.edu> I am looking for a way to record what is on the screen directly to a VCR. Thanks for any help. -morgan hankins
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iok@apollon.servicenet.ariadne-t.gr (ioannis koutselas) Subject: for the fax send program Message-ID: <Cq1oH8.Anv@clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr> Sender: news@clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr Organization: /etc/organization Distribution: ntua Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 10:15:08 GMT Hello world. I have been wondering. HAs anyone tried to use the program called sendfax that was posted a while ago in the alt.sources newsgroup. it is intended as a sendfax program only for a next/zyxel combo. It has bugs I know. Anyone with any comments ? Ioannis .
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 20 May 1994 02:12:40 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2rh6ao$kqn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2845@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> <Cq24zv.L9o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <Cq2BHL.A5L@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <2rghqo$ps3@gap.cco.caltech.edu> As a comment on this matter, it gets REALLY bad on a NeXTdimension system, for obvious reasons. (32-bits per pixel vs. etc...) Add the fact that I grab a lot of video, do 3D rendering, leave a lot of apps going at once, and am a chronic packrat, and I was rebooting my system 3-5 times a day. Thoughtful of NeXT to put a "Restart" button so prominently on the login window... I find video grabbing to be most destructive of swapspace, followed by big rendering jobs. Image transforms, unpacking big compressed files and other things that use a lot of /tmp space are also sources of indigestion. After about an hour of manipulating 3D models in intuitiv'3d the screen really slows down,and the cure I've found is to save, log out, and type "exit" in the login widnow to flush the window server. I solved my swapspace problem by installing a 2GB dirve and turning the 425MB drive into a swapdisk. Works like a charm, but Tim McKinnon helped me through one glitch: the stock rc.swap file has a hard-wiored hiwater mark of 40MB! Check this on your system if it barfs hard even with adequate swap space. My $0.02, Steve -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
From: brahm@alembic.com (Lans Brahmantyo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Changing Font Size Menu?? Date: 19 May 1994 21:22:12 -0500 Organization: Q.Ad - A NEXTSTEP-based Advertising Agency Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <199405200114.AA00723@alembic.com> Hello, Anybody has any idea how to modify NEXTSTEP's Font Size menu so it does not only display 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 18, 24, 36, 48 and 64? I would like to be able to put 20, 28, 33 in there as well. Any help is greatly appreciated. ...... brahm Q.Ad, Q.Type
From: dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 19 May 1994 19:24:12 -0700 Organization: Obvious Implementations Corp Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rh70d$7rs@apollo.west.oic.com> References: <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2845@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> <Cq24zv.L9o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> In article <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: : :>> The swap file can be directed to shrink by the low water option in :>> /etc/swaptab. See this comment in swaptab(5): : :Yes, very nice words in swaptab(5). However, I've had lowat set in :my swaptab for some time under 3.2 (black if that matters) and the :swapfile has never ever shrunk. Since I use Mathematica (a major :memory hog), I have to reboot periodically to clear the swap file. : :I agree that it's better to have a swapfile that grows instead of :a fixed size, but it would be better still to have one that shrinks :too. Actually, there is a good argument against growable swap files, and that is the following: (1) You need to ensure that you have enough free space on your disk for your nominal swap requirements or you risk a crash. (2) If you fill up the filesystem by normal means, you must still ensure you leave enough space for your nominal swap requirements or you risk a crash. (3) Using more swap then can be reasonably expected is an error that should be dealt with immediately (like, killing the program responsible). I don't suppose NeXT has implemented resource limits yet for anything other then the stack size ?? Therefore, having a growable swap file does nothing more then increase the number of failure modes that will occur with the machine (for example, fill up the filesystem and screw up other running programs) and, being mapped over the filesystem, has a much greater chance of corrupting something in the ensuing crash then a swap partiton. So I prefer a relatively large, but fixed, swapfile... say, 64MB. -Matt -- Matthew Dillon dillon@apollo.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) Incline Village, NV. 89451 Obvious Implementations Corporation USA Sandel-Avery Engineering [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
From: kaoki@ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Kenichiro Aoki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next doom with mail order WAD.. HELP Date: 20 May 94 12:29:52 Organization: Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics, Kyoto, Japan. Message-ID: <KAOKI.94May20122952@ps1.ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp> References: <thomasCq123B.HEF@netcom.com> In-reply-to: thomas@netcom.com's message of Thu, 19 May 1994 02:11:35 GMT >>>>> On Thu, 19 May 1994 02:11:35 GMT, thomas@netcom.com (Tom Thomas) said: Tom> Is it possible to run the 1.2 MAB DOOM from cs.orst.edu with the mail-order Tom> WAD file, or the WAD files that are floating around on the net? Yes, it is. Everything, except sound, works fine. You can the full doom 3 epidodes will run. Also, you can use wad files from the net and play back lmp files also. I have only used it on NS3.1 or higher tho. to install: 1. you will need a dos machine to unpack the floppies from ID. I just used my friend's 386, extracted the wad file, compressed it and chopped it into 3 DOS floppies, recombined it on the NeXT. If you have a DOS machine on a fast network or a NS/fip machine close to you, then it will be easier. 2. rename the wad file you extract from doom.wad->doom1.wad (as it says in the info part of Doom.app) and put it in the appwrapper. downside of NS version: 1. no sound 2. graphics slower than 486dx66. visibly so. 3. when you play back a recorded demo (.lmp) files only -playback instead of -playdemo works. (not a problem since one of the command works.) might be the other way around haven't played it for a while so i forgot. Tom> I tried to load one of the WAD's floating around on the net with the command >Doom -f NewWad.wad Most wad files are protected against use with the shareware wad file for the obviouse reasons. It will work with the commercial version wad. Btw it's Doom -file foo.wad not -f. For info on Doom stuff not specific to NS, you should grab the Doom faq. it's very detailed. alt.games.doom might be a good place to look. It's $40 plus shipping, give ID their fair share. -- Kenichiro Aoki (ken@phys.titech.ac.jp), Department of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Oh-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo, JAPAN $@@DLZ(J $@7r0lO:(J $@El9)Bg(J $@J*M}3X2J(J
From: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 20 May 1994 05:26:49 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Sender: tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rhhmp$8ms@portal.gmu.edu> References: <Cq24zv.L9o@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <2rg9o5$kds@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <2rh70d$7rs@apollo.west.oic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: DO NOT # /usr/etc/mach_swapon -v -o lowat=<nnnn> /private/vm/swapfile Keywords: this is a bug not a feature Do Not run: # /usr/etc/mach_swapon -v -o lowat=<nnnn> /private/vm/swapfile on a running machine where the "swapfile" is the RUNNING swapfile. I did this, and crashed my box as a previous poster did. However, I got to see the effect, and why it's a _bad_ thing to do. First, I did it and did a "df" indeed the swapfile did shrink down to the size I wanted it to. However, it also deallocated stuff that was threaded & running from teh swapfile. Thus the box "freeze". The results of a "ps aux" froze it, indicating that something went away that should not have. Since the device is "busy" it should do NOTHING to the file. I sseriously doubt that this effect is even intended, and it's definatly NOT desired. Using it to "shrink" your swapfile is russian roulette at best. While it would be damn nice to have soem sort of garbage collection command implemented, this isn't it, & looks to me to be a bug. The reason why I'd like to see a "garbage collector" is simple, if I run a NeXT box as a network server, and needt to have it "up" and running constantly, it would be desireable to be able to deal with the "swap gone mad" :) thing in a way that dosn't make me drop the server & make a network of XX boxes unavalible. (perhaps a utility combined with an extention to "shutdown", i.e one that set's up limited tcp/udp requesting, & /etc/nologin etc. to "isolate" the box but still keep "essential/core" (yea I KNOW, so make it read a file called "/private/etc/essential") services avalible. Have the util go & look at the process table, & all the threads, and concentate the stuff into a diffrent file & switch over or rebuild the swapfile. Not that any of this would be neccisarily easy, but it'd be worthwhile & useful as hell. ps acxgme Tim Scanlon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Fast Modem Software? In-Reply-To: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU's message of 18 May 1994 01:44:00 GMT To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May17233942@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <riddlerCpwsoB.9z6@netcom.com> <2rbrt0$j0u@nic-nac.CSU.net> Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 03:39:41 GMT In article <2rbrt0$j0u@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: In article <riddlerCpwsoB.9z6@netcom.com> riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) writes: >Does anyone know of a good, fast terminal program for NS 3.2/Intel? I've >been using Kermit but it is sooooooo slow! I want something with Z-modem >or something with a little more zing. Please don't tell me Kermit is the >best as I feel like I'm back in the dark ages with its file transfer times. Either you're using a version of Kermit from the dark ages, or you have it misconfigured. Kermit 5A is faster than Z-modem! Absolutely not. Under every configuration I've ever tried, Zmodem came within 2 or 3% of the theoretical maximum transfer rate on large transfers and frequently would be within 1% of the theoretical optimum. Kermit on the other hand with most configuration is inadequate for high speed connections, frequently not even using 30% of the available bandwidth. To some extent this can be improved upon by cleverly choosing non-default transfer parameters and hoping that the other end supports them as well, but to claim that Kermit is faster than Zmodem is preposterous. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: TipTop is Tops! In-Reply-To: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of Wed, 18 May 1994 15:42:17 GMT To: fo6r@midway.uchicago.edu Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May18224522@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1994May18.154217.6963@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 02:45:20 GMT In article <1994May18.154217.6963@midway.uchicago.edu> fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) writes: Using the term client tredir, which redirects local ports to the remote server, I can run NewsGrazer, telnet, ftp, OmniWeb, etc. without SLIP. Forgive me, but exactly how does tredir allow you to use OmniWeb ? After all OmniWeb (or any WWW client in general) constantly opens ports on a dynamically changing set of remote hosts. How can tredir handle this without forcing the user to rewrite every single URL he sees and add a tredir for every single remote host (after getting an error message for it) ? Also note that I asked about the servers in my article, none of which any amount of inspired trediring is going to enable to run properly (not to mention any protocol not based TCP, such NFS, archie, ping, netreck and many more). Also, and what is most important for my application, I can use the term client txconn to display remotely generated X-windows on my NeXT at home (or display X-windows from my machine at work). That's dandy, but of course SLIP can do that as well. >>> term is faster than SLIP too. >> On exactly what measurement or argument do you base this claim ? Specifically, displaying x-windows with graphics is faster. Also down- loads were faster. This only makes sense to me, since term does not provide all of the services of SLIP, there is less overhead over the line. Also file transfers seem to go faster. SLIP with Van Jacobsen TCP/IP header compression has an average package overhead of 6 bytes on a packet more than 1000 bytes in length i.e. <1%. I'm not sure what term uses and whether it can beat that. I am sure that term can't significantly beat SLIP in this regard and unless the designer was extremely careful, term will have more overhead. Lastly, if you do not have root access to the remote site, and the remote site does not provide SLIP (as is the case for the public computing facilities at the Univ. of Chicago) term is the only viable solution that I know of for multiple logins etc. In that situation, I'm sure I'd give term a serious look as well. Carl Edman
From: hill@iisnext1.unil.ch (Sean Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Source to NeXT TeX package? Date: 20 May 1994 10:27:03 GMT Organization: University of Lausanne CH (Switzerland) Message-ID: <2ri39n$bd8@cisun2000.unil.ch> I would like to compile and test the TeX package for NEXSTEP, I was wondering if anyone could e-mail pointers to building the package or the equivalent of the package on a non-Intel and non-Motorola NEXTSTEP platform (hmm, which one?!). I have the source to TeXView of course, but where should I get the source to the full package. Thanks, Sean hill@ulphy1.unil.ch
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! (Newsgrazer References?) Date: 20 May 1994 13:03:29 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94May20140329@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <AhqtH2W00iV2Q3ka1i@andrew.cmu.edu> <2rgbo6$lok@gap.cco.caltech.edu> To: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) In-reply-to: madler@cco.caltech.edu's message of 19 May 1994 18:39:02 GMT Does Newsgrazer maintain the References header when you follow up? I ask because this because the previous message didn't have a References header in it. Whilst the majority of the messages (particularly in this Thread) are keeping the References header intact. -- "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" (ASCII for text only messages)
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Source to NeXT TeX package? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 20 May 1994 14:02:01 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <2rifsp$rvg@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <2ri39n$bd8@cisun2000.unil.ch> Sean Hill (hill@iisnext1.unil.ch) wrote: : I would like to compile and test the TeX package for NEXSTEP, I was : wondering if anyone could e-mail pointers to building the package or the : equivalent of the package on a non-Intel and non-Motorola NEXTSTEP : platform (hmm, which one?!). I have the source to TeXView of course, but : where should I get the source to the full package. The source for dvips is also included. tex itself as included in the current NeXTTeX package is mainly the normal web source compiled with web2c. To get a newer version of TeX, you could just connect to a CTAN ftp server (e.g. ftp.shsu.edu or ftp.dante.de), to go tex-archive/systems/web2c and get the needed packages (there's a couple of READMEs). I don't know if this compiles out of the box with NEXTSTEP 3.2, but there should be no big problem. Drawback: You miss the IPC features added to NeXTTeX, that is you don't have any longer '-v' and '-V' to start up the previewer and provide it automatically with every new page. The additions to NeXTTeX are copyrighted (NeXTTeX is in fact a 'commercial' TeX from Radical Eye's Tom Rokicki and sponsored by NeXT) and therefore not public available. BTW, is there interest in a further development of the NeXTTeX package ? I would be glad to hear opinions about missing features. E.g. a 'search' feature in the previewer, perhaps even source tracking, but also updates to the new TeX distribution (3.1415 in the meantime) ! Perhaps I'd try to work in it. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
From: mtfirst@cc.umanitoba.ca (Mount-first Yat Fung Ng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTWorld Suspended?!... Date: 20 May 1994 17:08:57 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Message-ID: <2riqr9$jon@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> I have just received a letter from NeXTWORLD saying that they had suspended publication immediately. Does anyone know why? Mount-first
From: Olav Anderson Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is anyone familiar with the SCSI488/N Date: 20 May 1994 18:32:44 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rivoc$rg@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Hi All, I'm planning to do some experiments and was wondering if anyone had any experience, or know where I can get a SCSI488/N. This is a IEEE interface plus software driver that enables the NeXT to control up 14 IEEE instruments. I called IOtech, Inc., but their "it's no longer in their catalog, but I will check" response didn't fill me with much hope. So, I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this at all. Thanks ___________________________________________________ B.Olav Anderson Autodidact NeXTSTEP CyberSurfer e-mail olav@emerson.physics.ubc.ca NeXT Mail? Of course! Vancouver, B.C. "I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestionable ability of man to elevate his life by a conscious endeavor." H.D.Thoreau
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karl@trapac.com (Karl Kraft) Subject: Re: is graduated control of ZOOM possible in PREVIEW ? Message-ID: <Cq36F4.48s@trapac.com> Sender: karl@trapac.com (Karl Kraft) Organization: Trans Pacific Container Service Corporation References: <2rek7b$bm1@fnnews.fnal.gov> Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 05:40:16 GMT In article <2rek7b$bm1@fnnews.fnal.gov> drmikey@d0nx01.fnal.gov (Michael Albert Tartaglia) writes: > Greetings, > > I would like to adjust the scale of a scanned > (bit map) eps graphic image while it is displayed > on my screen (to capture it with GRAB, actually). I am > using the PREVIEW app to view the file, and find that > the options ZOOM IN and ZOOM OUT have rather course > magnification. Is there any way to interpolate or fine > control the zoom, or perhaps dwrite the magnification > scale factor (I couldn't find one)? I would prefer not > having to muck with the postscript language directly. > > Thanks for any help, > Mike Tartaglia Drag and Drop into Draw.app (/NextDeveloper/Demos) Then resize to any size you want, and then do your grab. If you need to keep the proportions right, Draw has a "Natural Size" menu item that will make sure the image is in proportion to the original. -- Karl Kraft Karl_Kraft@trapac.com Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com [My opinions are my own]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: Re: BugNeXT: What is reasonable use of it ? Message-ID: <1994May20.083754.569@stone.com> Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp References: <2rddh4$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 08:37:54 GMT In article <2rddh4$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) writes: > Perhaps somebody from NeXT would like to speak to this point: Would they > like us to use BugNeXT extensively for suggestions ? In the last time > there were several hints to 'Bug NeXT' if it came to UI annoyances (take > the Emacs<->Edit discussions). Well, I had many little and some > bigger suggestions to NeXT about bundled applications as well as IMHO UI > shortcomings, but until now I didn't want to flood them with my thoughts. > > So is it reasonable to submit even minor suggestions via BugNeXT ? Or > should we be careful only to submit to more serious things, since you > have enough work even so ? > > Gregor They put the application in /NextDevelopers/Demos, use it! But use it wisely: IE, the kind of bugs software engineers love to receive are those which are well documented, step-by-step reenactions of a bug. Even if it's a UI complaint, take the time to describe it well, and route it to the right department. And who knows, you may see your idea in NS 4.0! andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>|S<<++>>|T<<?>O<+>>N|<<-->>E|<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone | (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com | Have Modem Why Travel !! ||<<->>|D<<==>>|E<<++>>|S<<?>|<+>>G|<<-->>N|<<==>>!|<<+>>||
From: bobs@pth3.bu.edu (Robert Singleton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A Perplexing Problem Date: 20 May 1994 19:27:53 GMT Organization: Boston University Message-ID: <2rj2vp$41b@news.bu.edu> Hello, Recently I asked about a "network" problem I'm having. I've taken my NeXT (NS 3.1) off the network and am presently using it at home. It was configured as pth3.bu.edu (as is the machine I'm currently using). When I reboot I get the following message when the daemons are started: autonfsmount pth3 can't get my address. It then takes about 5 min. or so before it gives up looking, after which it boots successfully. Apparently there is more to removing a machine from the network than simply unplugging it and taking it home. Someone suggested that I go into the Simple Network Starter and define myself as a stand alone node. It turns out that I've been a stand alone node all along. But while I was in the Simple Network Starter I changed my host name to "localhost" and configured the machine. Now the machine rebooted successfully, with no autonfsmount complaint - and the above problem seems to have disappeared. But now when I login, the Workspace manager is gone (although a shell window works). In about 5 minutes, the Workspace manager reappears and everything seems to be just fine. The next time I login, if I haven't rebooted, the Workspace manager starts up as it should. Any suggestions on this very perplexing problem?!? Thanks very much. Regards, -- bob singleton bobs@pth3.bu.edu
From: burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) Date: 20 May 1994 19:46:18 GMT Organization: Brown University Message-ID: <2rj42a$fi@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <CEDMAN.94May17233942@capitalist.princeton.edu> Carl Edman writes >eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > >riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) writes: > >Does anyone know of a good, fast terminal program for NS 3.2/Intel? I've > >been using Kermit but it is sooooooo slow! I want something with Z-modem > >or something with a little more zing. > > Either you're using a version of Kermit from the dark ages, or > you have it misconfigured. Kermit 5A is faster than Z-modem! > >Absolutely not. Under every configuration I've ever tried, Zmodem >came within 2 or 3% of the theoretical maximum transfer rate on large >transfers and frequently would be within 1% of the theoretical >optimum. Kermit on the other hand with most configuration is >inadequate for high speed connections, frequently not even using 30% >of the available bandwidth. To some extent this can be improved upon >by cleverly choosing non-default transfer parameters and hoping that >the other end supports them as well, but to claim that Kermit is >faster than Zmodem is preposterous. Carl, I wrote you a note of support when EPS was making silly noises about Emacs for NeXTstep. Now fairness demands that I enter this new fray on the other side. C-Kermit in its default configuration has a ridiculously small packet size (90 bytes), and a longish checksum. This optimizes for limited available buffer space and a very noisy phone line. Nowadays with hardware EC it is very rare to see a modem line noisy enough to require error correction at all (I have run raw tip to transfer 1 MB+ compressed files and brought them home intact, and so Kermit needs to be configured with a setup radically different from its defaults. If you set: set block-check 1 ; minimal error-detection set buffers 33000 33000 ; bigger send and receive buffers allocated set file type binary ; no file conversions set receive packet-length 4096 ; use long packets set window-size 8 ; transmit several packets between replies you will find that at 38,400 bps on a V.32bis modem you get a sustained throughput on incompressible data of 1330 to 1390 bytes per second. I think that my SLIP line may be a couple of percent faster than that when I enable header compression and use a non-default MTU of 1500 bytes, but sz/rz, at 1310 to 1340 bytes per second, is *not* faster under any conditions. FYI, the theoretical optimum for incompressible data on this line is 1440 bytes per second, not 1800, because asynchronous transfer requires a start and a stop bit. Your 30% performance sounds like what I used to get before I learned that Kermit could be tuned. If you have access to a provider, and the data you are trying to access are on the Internet, C-SLIP or PPP defines the envelope in all areas of the performance/convenience/flexibility tradeoff graph. If you need to reach a dialin BBS, or can't get SLIP, or are intimidated by the set-up, then C-Kermit 5A-189 properly configured remains the best option, especially with its extensive scripting abilities. Do check out the new fullscreen display option, if you haven't yet. Of course, it is to C-Kermit's credit that you can use command-line pipes to rz/sz and such from within it...but unless you are trying to reach someone who doesn't provide Kermit-based transfer, my fairly extensive performance tests say there is no reason to bother. God created the positive |===================================================== integers: zero was here | Joshua W Burton (401)435-6370 burton@het.brown.edu when He arrived. |=====================================================
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BugNeXT: What is reasonable use of it ? Date: 20 May 1994 23:04:17 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2rjflh$kj@rosie.next.com> References: <2rddh4$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> In article <2rddh4$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) writes: > Perhaps somebody from NeXT would like to speak to this point: Would they > like us to use BugNeXT extensively for suggestions ? In the last time <munch> > So is it reasonable to submit even minor suggestions via BugNeXT ? Or > should we be careful only to submit to more serious things, since you > have enough work even so ? BugNeXT is intended for both bugs and suggestions. The more good feedback we get for NEXTSTEP, the better we can make it. However, I think all of us here would prefer if you didn't just fire off every little idea you have on the spur of the moment. It's far more useful to hear things like "I'd like this feature because of this, this and this. Here's where I think it would help others as well." instead of "I'd like this feature". The more complete and informative your bug / suggestion is, the more likely it will be taken seriously and considered. Erik
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HEY NeXT, how about this keyboard problem? Date: 20 May 1994 23:18:25 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2rjgg2$km@rosie.next.com> References: <1994May18.073024.22881@urz.unibas.ch> In article <1994May18.073024.22881@urz.unibas.ch> writes: >Ah, yes, that's ok if you are using, say US keyboards on all systems. >But we have Swiss-German on some, US on others. That's when the mess >starts! You login in to a machine with USkeyboard and have your >preferences set to Swiss-German - type a 'y' and get a 'z', want ';' and >have to press '<' ... Yes, you're correct. This is a problem. However, there's a relatively straightforward workaround to your problem. If a user doesn't have a Keymap default, loginwindow looks in netinfo (/localconfig/keyboard) for the default keymap for the system. This way, you can set the default keymap in netinfo (this happens when you set the keymap in the language panel after a fresh install), and have every user default to that keymap. Well, almost. In addition to grabbing the default from netinfo, loginwindow then proceeds to write out that keymap as the default keymap for the user as they login. (sigh) Anyway, you can workaround this problem for now by making a system LogoutHook that removes the "NeXT1 Keymap" default for the user as they logout. This workaround only works if you don't want to have any level of user customization on keymaps beyond that. (i.e. one person wants to use "MySwissGerman.keymapping" when they're on one system and "MyUSA.keymapping" when they're on another) For that, you'd probably have to write a LoginHook that has a bit more logic in it. >A situation NeXT (being US) most probably never thought of, after all who >needs anything other than US-keyboards? :-) Right? actually, no. That's not why the problem exists. We spend a decent amount of time dealing with localization issues. The reason that things are like they are is that our defaults system is primarily user-based rather than system-based. In many ways, it's difficult to have defaults be both user and system oriented. When I set my keymap, am I setting the keymap that I want to use for this machine? Or for all machines? Anyway, you get the idea. Erik
From: procopio@thumper.cis.upenn.edu (Joseph L. Procopio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: HELP!!! unrecoverable disk crash while upgrading! Date: 20 May 94 21:58:41 Organization: UPENN Computer Graphics Research Laboratory Distribution: comp Message-ID: <PROCOPIO.94May20215841@thumper.cis.upenn.edu> HELP! My system crashed while upgrading from CD, and now the disk won't boot at all! I've been having problems with a quirky CD-ROM drive (pretty old) that I borrowed, and it locked up in the middle of a system upgrade. How can I reboot from the CD? It doesn't seem to like to CD-ROM drive |-{ The CD drive in question is made by Optical Access International and comes up as "MATSHITACD-ROM CR-5XX Rev 1.0b" during the system boot. As soon as it gets to this, it shows the CD label "NEXTSTEP_3.1" etc... then it says "waiting for drive to come ready...." then it dies! I can get into the ROM monitor, but thats it... HELP!!!!!!! JOE
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerti@BITart.sub.org (Gerd Knops) Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) Message-ID: <Cq4nr0.sq@BITart.sub.org> Sender: usenet@BITart.sub.org Organization: BITart, NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Consulting References: <2rj42a$fi@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 00:52:11 GMT In article <2rj42a$fi@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) writes: > Carl Edman writes > >eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > [Discussion about how to tune kermit] OK, an optimized Kermit is nice and fast, if your hardware works the way it should. On my PC with a cheap multi I/O board (16540, I know...), it once in a while looses a byte or two (regardless of the use of MUX). I noticed, that about 30% of the files transferred with an optimized Kermit are defect (checksum error during unzip etc). This never happened with rz/sz so far, so rz/sz is still the faster solution for me. Yes, I tried the various error checking possibilities. Gerd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) In-Reply-To: burton@het.brown.edu's message of 20 May 1994 19:46:18 GMT To: burton@het.brown.edu Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May20214329@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.94May17233942@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2rj42a$fi@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 01:43:29 GMT In article <2rj42a$fi@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) writes: Carl, I wrote you a note of support when EPS was making silly noises about Emacs for NeXTstep. Now fairness demands that I enter this new fray on the other side. Et tu, brute ? :-) Seriously, I don't think we disagree much. you will find that at 38,400 bps on a V.32bis modem you get a sustained throughput on incompressible data of 1330 to 1390 bytes per second. I think that my SLIP line may be a couple of percent faster than that when I enable header compression and use a non-default MTU of 1500 bytes, but sz/rz, at 1310 to 1340 bytes per second, is *not* faster under any conditions. So by default kermit is a lot slower than Zmodem. Under optimal conditions, with the right configuration and the right server, kermit can become as fast as Zmodem. We can certainly agree to that. However, no reasonable person can agree with the original claim that kermit is significantly faster than Zmodem. FYI, the theoretical optimum for incompressible data on this line is 1440 bytes per second, not 1800, because asynchronous transfer requires a start and a stop bit. Your 30% performance sounds like what I used to get before I learned that Kermit could be tuned. Not quite. V42.bis (and every 14,400 bps modem in existence also has V42.bis) sends data over the line synchronously, not asynchronously (as over the DTE), so your peak transfer rate goes back up to 14400 (bit/second)/(8 bits/byte) = 1800 bytes/second. But then there is the overhead from the automatic error detection and correction features of V42.bis which again reduce theoretical maximum throughput. Calculating this is a little bit more complicated and modem dependent but you end up with a theoretical maximum transfer rate typically in the low 1600s. Carl Edman
From: chipsig@kaiwan.com (Chip Sieglinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: HELP!!! unrecoverable disk crash while upgrading! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 20 May 1994 23:30:02 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310/527-4279,818/756-0180,714/741-2920) Distribution: comp Message-ID: <2rk9pa$drf@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> References: <PROCOPIO.94May20215841@thumper.cis.upenn.edu> Joseph L. Procopio (procopio@thumper.cis.upenn.edu) wrote: : HELP! : My system crashed while upgrading from CD, and now the disk won't : boot at all! :How can I reboot from the CD? It doesn't seem to like to CD-ROM drive |-{ Check out the Release notes that came with the 3.0 upgrade. Page 13 talks about installing the essentials. Just don't initialize the drive that you're upgrading. I wouldn't think your problem is the cdrom drive, but I guess it's possible. If you are able perhaps you should get ahold of the NeXT cdrom drive. Good Luck. -- >-<>--<>---<>----<>-----<>------<>----+----<>------<>-----<>----<>---<>--<>-< | Chip Sieglinger <chipsig@kaiwan.com> "Life is short..., | | Long Beach CA Home Phone/Fax 310-985-0086 Eat dessert first!" | >-<>--<>---<>----<>-----<>------<>----+----<>------<>-----<>----<>---<>--<>-<
From: ccwf@zanzibar.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 21 May 1994 09:24:14 GMT Organization: FTL Enterprises, Inc. Message-ID: <2rkjvu$8q1@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2r73ei$sal@wea.eel.ufl.edu> <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> If it isn't already, shouldn't this be an FAQ? In article <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Andreas Windemuth <windemut@cumbnd.bioc.columbia.edu> wrote: >...NEXTSTEP has no memory leaks... Well, perhaps it depends on what you mean by "NEXTSTEP." I have not personally encountered any leaks in the kernel, but I can't say the same for the shared libraries or programs associated with NEXTSTEP. There was, of course, the famous problem with a memory leak in DOs. Then, there is the fact that freeing a window does not completely free all the memory used by it in the window server. I reported this one to NeXT and got a confirmation that there are a few bytes per window used in an internal table that only grows--the entry in the table is never freed or reused. (How severe is this problem? You should probably restart your window server every few hundred thousand windows--at least. :-) After a few million windows have been created, the impact on the swapfile is quite noticeable and will eventually cause a great slowdown and then a crash. Of course, there is no way for the user to determine how many windows have been created. Just watch the swapfile(s) and take appropriate action when it grows too large.) -ccwf page 3a. A quantity of memory storage equal to between 512 and 4,096 bytes. _The American Heritage Dictionary_
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: balu@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu (t.balasubramanian) Subject: Error message Message-ID: <1994May21.090918.3210@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 09:09:18 GMT Hi , Could some one please tell me what this error message means WindowServer[178]: IPCFlushOutput: failed to flush output for stream 0x27df08. Just keep getting this whenever, I quit Edit.app. Any solutions ? thanks Balu
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) Date: 21 May 1994 13:22:55 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2rl1vf$29l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CEDMAN.94May17233942@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2rj42a$fi@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> <CEDMAN.94May20214329@capitalist.princeton.edu> Thanks, gentlemen, for this thread. Now kermit doesn't bomb out in the middle of writing some screed. I think it was choking on the stock settings and now it works More Better. Cheers, -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
From: buddha@samsara.circus.com (Adam Deishu Beeman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Slip & Ethernet, can it be done? Date: 21 May 1994 08:06:30 -0700 Organization: The Marshmallow Peanut Circus Message-ID: <2rl81m$li@samsara.circus.com> References: <May.18.10.48.05.1994.14736@gandalf.rutgers.edu> In article <May.18.10.48.05.1994.14736@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, John Kheit <kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu> wrote: > I recently set up PNI slip and it at least partially worked for me. >However, my local IP address, as can be found in host manager was different >from what local IP I was given by the slip server. So, I could email stuff >out to people, but nothing would get to me. > Now I have a little net of two machines eneted together, and I thought >I could just change the IP on the machine with the modem to match that of what >the slip server assigns me at login. So after changing the IP's to match >and trying to login via SLIP, SLIP hangs whenever I try to telnet, or ftp or >anything! > Maybe your not supposed to have the same Hostmanager IP and Slip server >IP??? If not, then how do you get things like mail to know how to get to your >account? Or maybe the problem is that enet and slip cannot coexist? I think I'm quoting Carl Edman here, but "dynamically assigned IP numbers are evil." If you have a dedicated set of IP numbers, then there is no problem. You simply use two, one for the SLIP interface, and one for the ethernet interface. You can check it out with ifconfig - there's an "en0" interface and either a "slip0" or "pni0" interface... my machine has two IP numbers, one for the slip interface and one for the ethernet. This works very well, because all traffic heading to 165.227.17.* (my IP range) for me goes through the ethernet, and all other traffic goes out the SLIP interface. However, if your slip interface gets a dynamically assigned IP number, then you're screwed as regards inbound packets, because there's no fixed route to your inside machines. The solution: get fixed IP addresses from your network administrators. get a set for the machines on your end of the link, and give the machine which will act as your router (with SLIP and ethernet) two IP numbers. As far as I know, there isn't really another way. -Adam Beeman -- //#*=--=*#*=--=*#*=--=*#*=--=*#*=--=*#*=--=*#*=--=*#*=--=*#*=--=*#*=--=*#// // Adam Beeman \\ Standard Disclaimers Apply! // // Home = buddha@circus.com \\ work = Peripheral Solutions! // // http://samsara.circus.com/~buddha/ \\ I don't speak for anyone //
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: thomas@gamelan.sh.sub.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Message-ID: <1994May19.101143.4374@gamelan.sh.sub.de> Sender: thomas@gamelan.sh.sub.de (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <2r73ei$sal@wea.eel.ufl.edu> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 10:11:43 GMT Yes. The famous NeXTBug (tm) of ever growing swapfiles is not seen as serious by NeXT despite millions of bug reports. It seems that their position is "buy bigger disks and more memory". -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke thomas@gamelan.sh.sub.de Brooks's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hornkvjm@calvin.whitman.edu (John Hornkvist) Subject: Help! I can't install NS FIP 3.2 Message-ID: <HORNKVJM.94May21091928@calvin.whitman.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Whitman College Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 16:19:28 GMT Hi! I bought NeXTStep Academic Bundle, and I can't get it to find my SCSI driver. I have the Talus driver for NCR, but when I try to specify that disk during install, NS does not find the driver. I thought that the disk would be properly set up, but it is not! Help me! The message I get is: couldn't find /usr/Devices Than :>John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ak272@freenet.buffalo.edu (Douglas Boyce) Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) Message-ID: <Cq5yAo.G4t@freenet.buffalo.edu> Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: State University of New York At Buffalo, NY (USA) References: <CEDMAN.94May20214329@capitalist.princeton.edu> <CEDMAN.94May17233942@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2rj42a$fi@cat.cis.Bro Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 17:37:36 GMT Background: NS/FIP 3.2, EISA motherboard, Supra V32/V42 internal, C-Kermit 5A(190) ALPHA.11, 18 May 94, for NeXTSTEP, MUX 1.4 Serial Port driver. My .kermrc set line /dev/cufa set speed 57600 set send packet-length 1024 set receive packet-length 9000 set window 8 set block 3 set file names literal set flow NONE set modem hayes set file display crt set terminal bytesize 8 set parity none This file is what I send to remote servers before transferring remote set file typ bin remote set file name lit remote set window 8 remote set block 3 Using the standard serial port driver I knew the system would either panic or grind to a halt whenever the file transfer status reached anywhere near 3000 cps. Using the Mux driver with a V32/V42 connection I get speeds of 1300-1500 cps for uuencoded and binary files, and 2000 to 3200 for other ascii files (both directions). -- Doug Boyce ak272@freenet.acsu.buffalo.edu NeXTmail and MIME welcome
From: mcafee@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Christopher C McAfee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MEETING: BaNG will meet at SLAC at 7:00pm, Thurday May 26 Date: 21 May 1994 21:19:29 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Message-ID: <2rltt1$kmm@Times.Stanford.EDU> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Bay Area NeXT Group Meeting on Thursday, May 26, 1994 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Where: Stanford Linear Accelerator (SLAC), Auditorium 2575 Sand Hill Road, Menlo Park, CA (415) 926-3300 Contacts: Mike Gabrys, President info@bang.org (415) 327-BANG When: 7:00, Thursday, May 26 Topics: Software Demonstrations: * Robert Vasvari, author of RBrowser (a remote file system browser) Hardware Demonstration: * NEXTSTEP for PA/RISC NEXTSTEP Expo OpenStep Directions: SLAC is much easier to reach from 280. FROM 280: Take 280 towards Palo Alto, take the Sand Hill Road exit (east). Follow Sand Hill over a small hill, about one mile. The SLAC entrance will be on your right at 2575 Sand Hill Road. The auditorium is about 100 yards directly in front of the guard house; park in the parking lot immediately to your right. FROM 101: Take 101 towards Palo Alto. Take the Embarcadero Road exit (west). Continue on Embarcadero a few miles, cross El Camino Real onto the Stanford campus. The road forks about a block later, take the right fork; you are now on Arboretum Rd. Follow Arboretum across Palm Drive and through the Stanford Shopping Center. Turn left onto Sand Hill Road. Follow Sand Hill Road for a few miles, crossing Foothill Expressway/Alemeda de las Pueguas (street has two names) and passing a Shell station on your right. The SLAC entrance will be on your left at 2575 Sand Hill Road. The auditorium is about 100 yards directly in front of the guard house; park in the parking lot immediately to your right. ---------------
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SCSI Card Date: 21 May 1994 13:41:34 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2rkvhu$jer@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <1994May19.215459.3338@njitgw.njit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit fxr9483@hertz.njit.edu (-=] CodeMan [=-) writes: >I am getting a SCSI card, and would like to know which one to get to >be compatable with NS. I can get a good price on the Adaptec Local bus one >(i think its the 2542?) Will that one be ok? No, there's no driver for this card available. I'd go for #if VL BusLogic BT445S #if EISA DPT 2022 #if PCI NCR 810 #else (=ISA) Adaptec 1542cf or DPT 2021 There are no drivers for the newer Adaptec 2xxx controllers available yet. And for their restrictive developer policy, I'd choose a DPT or BusLogic. DPT has a very good support, too. Markus. -- /dev/ Markus Wenzel /usr/spool/mail/ mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org /etc/zoneinfo/ University of Stuttgart /bin/ps System administration, Consulting, Networking
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) Subject: Re: TipTop is Tops! Message-ID: <1994May22.051343.8872@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 05:13:43 GMT Carl Edman wrote: >> Forgive me, but exactly how does tredir allow you to use OmniWeb ? >> After all OmniWeb (or any WWW client in general) constantly opens >> ports on a dynamically changing set of remote hosts. No need for forgiveness! Good point. However, there is a solution for this problem built into the clients. You can use environment variables to send all http requests to a server - that is through a "proxy" or "firewall" or "gateway" computer. The environment variables are set with the commands: setenv WWW_http_GATEWAY http://gw.here.com/ setenv WWW_wais_GATEWAY http://gw.here.com/ setenv WWW_gopher_GATEWAY http://gw.here.com/ For information see the following pages: http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/FAQ/Firewall.html http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/Daemon/User/Installation/Installation.html http://info.cern.ch/httpd_3.0/Config/Examples.html The problem for term users is that the gateway computer has to be running httpd. This requires proper configuration by the superuser of the gateway machine. If you have the httpd daemon running, to run OmniWeb you need to do the following things: First, you need to tredir some unused port to the httpd port that your sysadmin tells you (it is 8080 in the sample config files). tredir 4321 your.gateway.host:8080 then set the environment variables to setenv WWW_http_GATEWAY http://your.local.machine:4321 etc...... Now you should be able to run OmniWeb. I cannot guarauntee that this will work because I have not sucessfully run OmniWeb yet :^(. OmniWeb *does* communicate with the daemon, but the daemon's built-in security features are rejecting the URLs. This is almost certainly due to a problem in the configuration of the httpd daemon, but until I can get the sysadmin to look at the problem, I can't be sure what the problem really is.... Also, because alot of people have asked, here are a couple of other useful term hints. As far as I know, Gopher will not work for the very reason Carl Edman indicated - you would need specific tredir's for each gopher server. For pop2 protocol tredir 109 to your.pop.server:109, for pop3 use 110. Then configure PopOver to use your.local.machine in the Mail Hosts panel. This will allow you to easily receive NeXTMail. To run Newsgrazer you need to tredir 119 your.nntp.host:119. Then, configure NewsGrazer to use your.local.machine as the nntp server. Straightforward, but awkward. Carl Edman wrote: >> SLIP with Van Jacobsen TCP/IP header compression has an average >> package overhead of 6 bytes on a packet more than 1000 bytes in length >> i.e. <1%. I'm not sure what term uses and whether it can beat that. >> I am sure that term can't significantly beat SLIP in this regard and >> unless the designer was extremely careful, term will have more >> overhead. I dont' know about these things, but I don't have access to CSLIP so I can't compare. BTW, Can you get CSLIP without paying for it? I wrote: >>> Lastly, if you do not have root access to the remote site, and the remote >>> site does not provide SLIP (as is the case for the public computing >>> facilities at the Univ. of Chicago) term is the only viable solution that I >>> know of for multiple logins etc. Carl Edman replied: >> In that situation, I'm sure I'd give term a serious look as well. This is another example that people's computer needs / situations vary dramatically. I am starting to agree with Carl's first comment, that term is a "hack" - but it is the tool that I need. And, since the subject of this thread is TipTop being Tops, I'll throw in, as a satisfied customer, another plug. I had term running with cu before I bought TipTop. I was more that a little awkward. With TipTop I easily edited the "StartTerm" script and now it launches all of my clients etc. No more chewing on tip/cu for me... - eric fortune fo6r@midway.uchicago.edu NeXTMail OK
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Slip & Ethernet, can it be done? Date: 22 May 1994 06:40:44 GMT Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Message-ID: <HARDY.94May21234044@golem.ps.uci.edu> References: <May.18.10.48.05.1994.14736@gandalf.rutgers.edu> <2rl81m$li@samsara.circus.com> In-reply-to: buddha@samsara.circus.com's message of 21 May 1994 08:06:30 -0700 Unfortunately, some network administrations (like ours) stubbornly refuse to assign dedicated IP numbers to users; I have to reboot and use a script to assign the hostname assigned to me by the slip-server (e.g. dialin33513.slip) to be able to receive mail via slip. However, X-windows work fine if, whenever my connection goes down and I get ane new IP number I just reset the hostname (as root, of course) to the new name. A pain, but I learned to live with this. As a consequence I have over 30 .xinitrc and .mwmwrc files in a subdirectory, which are sym-linked to the ones I have to use to get things working. -- -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: text converter Message-ID: <Cq6zq2.8HC@cunews.carleton.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <1994May18.180310.1439@utata.wy.in-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 07:06:01 GMT Gernot A. Pohl (gap) wrote: : Does exist any free available & some intelligent text converter to get : some lovely DOS texts (with placed graphics) into NeXT? : (i.e. WinWord : Word : .... : & whatever ===> RichText (rtf)) Word for Windows (any recent version) will export files in RTF format. Word for DOS probably does, too... I have never tried with graphics. Probably doesn't, since I don't see it understanding RTFD format. Maybe AFS will write a Word filter for their WriteUp program. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtual mem. never get de-allocated!!! Date: 22 May 1994 07:39:01 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <2rn26l$sd9@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <2r73ei$sal@wea.eel.ufl.edu> <2rb7a5$fd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2rkjvu$8q1@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ccwf@zanzibar.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) writes: [...NeXTStep memory leaks...] >Then, there is the fact that freeing a window does not completely free >all the memory used by it in the window server. I reported this one >to NeXT and got a confirmation that there are a few bytes per window >used in an internal table that only grows--the entry in the table is >never freed or reused. (How severe is this problem? You should >probably restart your window server every few hundred thousand >windows--at least. :-) After a few million windows have been created, >the impact on the swapfile is quite noticeable and will eventually >cause a great slowdown and then a crash. Of course, there is no way >for the user to determine how many windows have been created. Just >watch the swapfile(s) and take appropriate action when it grows too >large.) Or if you really want to fry your disk, try using large 8 bit windows! The interesting part about this is that the memory seems to just simply get lost: I can't find a process (using ps -axu) that is attributed the memory vm_stat clearly shows is being used. Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rsilver@mtkgc.com (Russell Silverman) Subject: Re: HEY NeXT, how about this keyboard prob Message-ID: <Cq2GM8.MMM@mtkgc.com> Sender: news@mtkgc.com Organization: no way, never References: <1994May18.073024.22881@urz.unibas.ch> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 20:22:56 GMT In article 22881@urz.unibas.ch, frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) writes: >In article <2rb7g9$c60@umd5.umd.edu> writes: >> In article <1994May17.094206.13655@urz.unibas.ch> frank@ifi.unibas.ch >writes: >> >The keyboard to use is set on a per-user basis. >> > >> >But, in a network with non-adb, adb, intel, and, in future, HP machines, >> >each with different keyboards (possibley localised!), users moving >around >> >(we do have such!) continously have to go to preferences to set the >> >appropriate keyboard. >> > >> >How much easiser it would be to set the keyboard on a per-system basis! >> > >> >Anybody have some decent hack to handle this automatically (i.e. on >login)? >> > >> >-Robert >> >-- >> >> Hmmm. What version of NEXTSTEP are you running? Under 3.2 you >create >> a "FAT" keyboard file, with multiple keyboard definitions in it. NS >picks the >> appropriate one based on the hardware you're on. >> >> >> Rich Ogata >> rogata@arpa.mil >> > >Ah, yes, that's ok if you are using, say US keyboards on all systems. But >we have Swiss-German on some, US on others. That's when the mess starts! >You login in to a machine with USkeyboard and have your preferences set to >Swiss-German - type a 'y' and get a 'z', want ';' and have to press '<' ... > >A situation NeXT (being US) most probably never thought of, after all who >needs anything other than US-keyboards? :-) Right? > >And yes, we are running 3.2. > >-Robert >-- >Institut fuer Informatik tel +41 (0)61 321 99 67 >Universitaet Basel fax. +41 (0)61 321 99 15 >Robert Frank >Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail ok) >CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch >Switzerland Am I missing something ?? Keyboard.app allows you to create as many different types of keyboards as you want for as many different machines. It is unquestionable the most complete, easy to use app for keyboard definitions. Try doing the same thing with motif for example. You need to write a .motifbind file for each keyboard, copy it into place, each time (assuming your present one allows you to do this). This presumes you know the sybtax of keysym db. How could you possibly be moaning about the way Keyboard.app works ?? --RS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rsilver@mtkgc.com (Russell Silverman) Subject: Using devices from SoftPC Message-ID: <Cq2Grx.MnK@mtkgc.com> Sender: news@mtkgc.com Organization: Sakura Global Capital, NYC Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 20:26:20 GMT In SoftPC, can you use PC/Windoze device driver software ? I am thinking about Apple's new QuickTime camera, which works off a serial port. Could I fire up software inside SoftPC, and have it operate the devices?? --thanks, RS
From: matthewm@sgate.com (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HEY NeXT, how about this keyboard problem? Date: 22 May 1994 08:44:55 -0400 Organization: Southgate Internet Host Message-ID: <2rnk47$2m4@sgate.com> References: <1994May17.094206.13655@urz.unibas.ch> <2rb7g9$c60@umd5.umd.edu> Keywords: keyboards In article <2rb7g9$c60@umd5.umd.edu> rogata@is-next.umd.edu (Richard Scott Ogata) writes: > Hmmm. What version of NEXTSTEP are you running? Under 3.2 you create >a "FAT" keyboard file, with multiple keyboard definitions in it. NS picks the >appropriate one based on the hardware you're on. >Rich Ogata >rogata@arpa.mil If they aren't running NEXTSTEP 3.2, you can always use the LoginHook feature to have it determine which arch you're on and do a dwrite NeXT1 KeyMap ... . I wasn't aware of the FAT keyboard capability. Neat feature. ------ Mike Matthews, Mike_Matthews@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Source to NeXT TeX package? Date: 22 May 1994 18:25:24 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ro82k$erd@news.iastate.edu> References: <2ri39n$bd8@cisun2000.unil.ch> Sean Hill writes []I would like to compile and test the TeX package for NEXSTEP, I was []wondering if anyone could e-mail pointers to building the package or the []equivalent of the package on a non-Intel and non-Motorola NEXTSTEP []platform (hmm, which one?!). I have the source to TeXView of course, but []where should I get the source to the full package. [] The sources to NeXT-TeX itself are not going to be availalbe to you, unless, in a complete change of previous behavior, NeXT is willing to release them (NeXT-TeX, hell, I'm still trying to get the source for Date!). NeXT-TeX is owned by NeXT. dvips and TeXview are owned by Tom Rokicki, who created NeXT-TeX for NeXT and maintains it, but does not own it. For the software Tom (a truly fantastic guy!) does own he makes the source available. NeXT, however, does not. Sorry the answer isn't more positive. Regards --- Tom -- =========================================================================== Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Applied Mathematical Sciences 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@ameslab.gov
From: rick@mft.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Gray) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Source to NeXT TeX package? Date: 22 May 1994 18:51:42 GMT Organization: Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, TX Message-ID: <2ro9ju$kns@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> References: <2ri39n$bd8@cisun2000.unil.ch> <2rifsp$rvg@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sean Hill (hill@iisnext1.unil.ch) wrote: : I would like to compile and test the TeX package for NEXSTEP, I was : wondering if anyone could e-mail pointers to building the package or the : equivalent of the package on a non-Intel and non-Motorola NEXTSTEP : platform (hmm, which one?!). I have the source to TeXView of course, but : where should I get the source to the full package. I built the standard web2c distribution (then web2c-5.851d from ics.uci.edu) last fall with little or no problems on my Epson NX running 3.1. ------------------------------------------------------------ Here are the only changes to make it work without a single error or warning (after running configure): 1) [axon]396-> diff c-auto.h c-auto.h~ 126c126 < #undef DIRENT --- > #define DIRENT 1 2) [axon]399-> diff c-auto.h.in c-auto.h.in~ 137c137 < #define SYSDIR --- > #undef SYSDIR 3) [axon]403-> diff c-memstr.h c-memstr.h~ 34,35c34,35 < /* #define index strchr */ < /* #define rindex strrchr */ --- > #define index strchr > #define rindex strrchr Since Co-xist wasn't out yet for the Intel hardware, there was a problem linking in MFWindows.a (I had undef'ed X11 and all the window stuff)... I got around that by doing: cc -o virmf vextra.o imf.o openinout.o mf0.o mf1.o mf2.o mf3.o mf4.o mf5.o mf6.o mf7.o mf8.o mf9.o ../lib/lib.a by hand. I also had to add some '\'s in this line in sedscript to install-manpages: s;@DECLARE_YYTEXT@;extern char yytext [ ] ; ; We have an exported directory on one machine called /NetLibrary that contains all the fonts and inputs shared between a bunch of black hardware and now 1 Intel machine. I didn't want to experiment with formats being sharable between architechures, so I did the following so everything but bases and formats were shared among machines: [axon]105-> pwd /usr/local/lib/tex [axon]106-> ls -l total 1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 25 Sep 10 21:51 fonts ->/NetLibrary/TeX/tex/fonts drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 Sep 10 22:10 formats lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 26 Sep 10 21:51 inputs ->/NetLibrary/TeX/tex/inputs lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 6 Sep 10 22:13 macros -> inputs lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 22 Sep 10 21:51 ps ->/NetLibrary/TeX/tex/ps lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 23 Sep 10 21:51 src ->/NetLibrary/TeX/tex/src [axon]107-> cd ../mf [axon]108-> ls -l total 1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 Sep 10 22:10 bases lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 25 Sep 10 21:53 inputs -> /NetLibrary/TeX/mf/inputs -- Rick Gray, Division of Neuroscience, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx 77030 | Phone:(713) 798-3346 | Fax: (713) 799-8544 Internet: rick@mft.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu | NeXTMail accepted
From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.hp.misc Subject: PPD file for HP LaserJet 4ML? Date: 22 May 1994 21:18:57 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2roi81$hmb@news.iastate.edu> A while ago, I've got the PPD file for HP 4ML from a kind soul in the NeXTSTEP community. Now my harddrive has crashed and I can hardly recover any files from it. I need the PPD file. You'd be greatly appreciated and remember for the rest of my life if you can point me to a site to get the file. HP, do you have a ftp site for you customer? Thanks for any help. Chris -- NeXTMail super welcomed!!| Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science <:)>:)<:)>:)<:)>:)<:) | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
From: pluther@cs.pdx.edu (Pat Luther) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: 14.4K modem on Black Cube Date: 22 May 1994 15:17:24 -0700 Message-ID: <2rollk$8ge@xavier.cs.pdx.edu> Has anyone out there gotten this to work? If so, what do you put in your /etc/remote or /etc/ttys file? Or is there something else entirely I'm overlooking?? I'm using a Technology Concepts (Hayes Compatible) V.42/V.42bis 14.4K modem, and I keep getting an error something like: Device Busy cua: link down Anybody know what this means? And/or how to fix it? (I can find nothing in the documentation or in Nextanswers that even mentions 14.4K modems) ??pat -- Pat Luther: Lex's Evil Twin pluther@cs.pdx.edu [A hollow voice says "pluther"] "Who is he, he is she, and dog is fish" --Ancient Jewish Proverb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kelman@ncifcrf.gov (David Kelman) Subject: Font editting software Message-ID: <Cq89FI.MBI@ncifcrf.gov> Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 23:33:17 GMT Is there any software out there, preferably PD, that allows one to edit fonts so as to make your own versions, or perhaps to make new fonts from scratch? David Kelman kelman@fconvx.ncifcrf.gov
From: jin@atlantis.rutgers.edu (Li-Min G. Jin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where to order InstantTeX? Message-ID: <May.22.20.10.14.1994.11957@atlantis.rutgers.edu> Date: 23 May 94 00:10:15 GMT Distribution: us Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. I tried the address 'dmitri@StarConn.com', but the mail bounced back with a a message "Returned mail: unknown mailer error 255". Please let me know Dmitri Lindes' new email address. Thanks. Gavin
From: kaoki@ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Kenichiro Aoki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BugNeXT: What is reasonable use of it ? Date: 23 May 94 10:48:49 Organization: Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics, Kyoto, Japan. Message-ID: <KAOKI.94May23104849@ps1.ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp> References: <2rddh4$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> <1994May20.083754.569@stone.com> In-reply-to: andrew@stone.com's message of Fri, 20 May 1994 08:37:54 GMT >>>>> On Fri, 20 May 1994 08:37:54 GMT, andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) said: AS> In article <2rddh4$bdo@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> AS> flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) writes: ... > So is it reasonable to submit even minor suggestions via BugNeXT ? Or > should we be careful only to submit to more serious things, since you > have enough work even so ? > > Gregor AS> They put the application in /NextDevelopers/Demos, use it! But use it AS> wisely: IE, the kind of bugs software engineers love to receive are those AS> which are well documented, step-by-step reenactions of a bug. Even if it's AS> a UI complaint, take the time to describe it well, and route it to the AS> right department. You should send suggestions also using BugNeXT; but make sure that you adjust the severity level to suggestion. The fact that they put in the suggestion severity level in BugNeXT, I assume, means that NeXT wants to hear your suggestions. ( or pretend to :-) -- Kenichiro Aoki (ken@phys.titech.ac.jp), Department of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Oh-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo, JAPAN $@@DLZ(J $@7r0lO:(J $@El9)Bg(J $@J*M}3X2J(J
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hen1580@cs.rit.edu (Harry E Noel) Subject: TipTops is giving me a headache Message-ID: <1994May23.014536.2074@cs.rit.edu> Sender: news@cs.rit.edu (USENET News Admin) Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 01:45:36 GMT The program looks great and I would like to get it to run but I am encountering the following problems, feedback would be great. First, the 13 minute time limit is silly, he has a right to protect his software but I launched the application and started to read the help file and it quit before I could even try to connect. Then when I get it to connect and try to figure out what I am doing wrong it keeps quiting and leaving me still connected with no way to get back to my host. I have to hang up the modem and dialup again. That part is pretty damn rude, it should at least allow me to disconnect from my host and then quit. Anyway, I finally got it to work, sort of, and the trsh window does come up like it said it would in help, but it won't respond and a few minutes later the whole app will quit. I tried it on a sun and an ultrix system. I am pretty sure the error is on my side since Linux users have used term on their systems here. thanks for the help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney) Subject: Re: HEY NeXT, how about this keyboard problem? Message-ID: <Cq8M4s.9EL@research.canon.oz.au> Sender: news@research.canon.oz.au Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia References: <1994May18.073024.22881@urz.unibas.ch> <2rjgg2$km@rosie.next.com> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 04:07:39 GMT erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) writes: > In many ways, it's difficult to have defaults be >both user and system oriented. When I set my keymap, am I setting the >keymap that I want to use for this machine? Or for all machines? Anyway, >you get the idea. Back before 3.0, you could log in as root and set the machine's keymap, and this only got overridden if the user had set their own keymap, which was entirely optional. This made it possible to have different keymaps on different machines, users could also elect to have their own personal keymaps, the sun shone brightly, and life was happy. Was it really necessary to break this behaviour? -- Graham Stoney, Hardware/Software Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Ph: + 61 2 805 2909 Fax: + 61 2 805 2929
Control: cancel <1994May23.014536.2074@cs.rit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hen1580@cs.rit.edu (Harry E Noel) Subject: cmsg cancel <1994May23.014536.2074@cs.rit.edu> Message-ID: <1994May23.045257.5619@cs.rit.edu> Sender: news@cs.rit.edu (USENET News Admin) Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY References: <1994May23.014536.2074@cs.rit.edu> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 04:52:57 GMT <1994May23.014536.2074@cs.rit.edu> was cancelled from within trn.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP information on the Internet Date: 23 May 1994 02:40:32 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2rpj50$lju@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information Server online comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers New Information --------------- Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information Server online A product directory built around the World Wide Web system, this will allow full multimedia announcements by NEXTSTEP developers, as well as the ability to browse the available products for NEXTSTEP. This service is online now, and can be reached at http://digifix.digifix.com/ it can be reached using OmniWeb (available from ftp.omnigroup.com) or Mosaic. The entries are coming in quite quickly, and I'll be moving the entire NEXTSTEP Third Party Catalog contents in as soon as they become available. Additionally the NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server will be stocked full file files in the next week... you can get information on using the mail server at ns-products@digifix.com Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. 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Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe The ftp sites ------------- cs.orst.edu: The main site for North American submissions nova.cc.purdue.edu: Lots of older stuff, but very short on disk space ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: In Germany. terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) and cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp.next.com: See the below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ------------------------------------- From the document 1000_Help from ftp.next.com Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, or you can transfer them by anonymous ftp. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. 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If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
From: bobs@pth3.bu.edu (Robert Singleton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: configuring printer Date: 23 May 1994 14:57:47 GMT Organization: Boston University Message-ID: <2rqg9b$t07@news.bu.edu> Hello, I'm trying to configure a printer to my NeXT. The printer (called ppr) is on the network on a host called pthpr, and my local NeXT is called pth3. In using the PrintManagter.app, the host for the printer ppr is being set to pth3.bu.edu - but it should be set to pthpr. I can't seem to change the host to pthpr. At one point I had another NeXT connected to this same printer, but now I've forgotten how I did it. I should also say that I'm not using NetInfo (if that's relevant). Thanks for any assistance. Regards, -- bob singleton bobs@pth3.bu.edu
From: robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) Date: 23 May 1994 14:57:18 GMT Organization: Pencom Sofware Message-ID: <2rqg8e$e94@digdug.pencom.com> References: <CEDMAN.94May20214329@capitalist.princeton.edu> In article <CEDMAN.94May20214329@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: : FYI, the theoretical optimum for incompressible data on this line : is 1440 bytes per second, not 1800, because asynchronous transfer : requires a start and a stop bit. Your 30% performance sounds like : what I used to get before I learned that Kermit could be tuned. : :Not quite. V42.bis (and every 14,400 bps modem in existence also has :V42.bis) sends data over the line synchronously, not asynchronously :(as over the DTE), so your peak transfer rate goes back up to 14400 :(bit/second)/(8 bits/byte) = 1800 bytes/second. But then there is the :overhead from the automatic error detection and correction features of :V42.bis which again reduce theoretical maximum throughput. :Calculating this is a little bit more complicated and modem dependent :but you end up with a theoretical maximum transfer rate typically in :the low 1600s. So the start/stop bits don't enter into it? The DTE device is transmitting 10 bit characters isn't it? (8 data, 1 start, 1 stop.) Given this, are you suggesting that the modem is reading the data, converting to 8-bit synchronous, and only passing 8-bits across the wire? I just want to know... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** These are my opinions... Mine! All Mine! Minemineminemineminemine! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin D. Wilson robin@pencom.com Pencom Software 701 Canyon Bend Dr. 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy Pflugerville, TX 78660 Austin, TX 78759
From: eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu (Eric de_la_Tribouille) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: still searching for a 3.5" magneto-optical solution for NeXT computers Date: 23 May 1994 15:35:23 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2rqifr$79q@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Hi ! I'm still searching for a 3.5" magneto-optical solution for NeXT computers. It seems indeed that the solutions from Pinnacle micro do not work on NeXT stations. I remember when I was still in France that we had a magneto-optical drive working perfectly (format and read-write) with a NeXT station. So such solutions must exist. This is an urgent need, so it would be very nice from you to give me good references. Best regards, - Eric eric_t@cs.uiuc.edu -- "The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be." - Paul Valery _____________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) Subject: Intel 3.2 machine won't grok NFS.... Message-ID: <Cq9L8t.Lv9@mcs.anl.gov> Sender: usenet@mcs.anl.gov Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 16:46:03 GMT We installed 3.2 on a Lexar 486 with a Etherlink III card. It allows us to do rlogin, telnet, ftp but whenever we try to NFS mount things the mount succeeds but cd'ing to one of those directories causes the shell to hang with a NFS server xxxx not responding error. The server is responding and black hardware on the same subnet running 3.2 works fine. We have a 2.1 machine acting as the Netinfo server if that matters. Any ideas about what could be wrong? Thanks, Peter -- Peter A. Korp Assistant Scientist Argonne National Laboratory peter_korp@anl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: pat@biocat1.iit.edu (pathikrit bandyopadhyay) Subject: Hard drive question Message-ID: <1994May23.135755.6323@iitmax.iit.edu> Sender: news@iitmax.iit.edu (News) Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Mon, 23 May 94 13:57:55 GMT I recently added a SCSI hard drive to our NeXT. It works ok but it shows up as a separate drive with no protections what so ever. The NeXT network and sys-admin manual says to include that disk in /etc/fstab. If I do that all hell breaks loose. While booting the monitor window comes up with messages scrolling at light speed. The only thing that works at that point (that I could find is logout. That completes booting and lets me login) The questions I have : 1) can I configure this SCSI as an integral part of the boot disk (so that the boot disk appears as a single 1000 meg disk instead of two disks with 500 megs ? 2) if the answer to 1 is no, what should I put in fstab to have write protection on the second disk I followed the directions in the man pages, did not seem to work. 3) can I move the user accounts onto the second SCSI disk ? I tried that by moving user accounts to that disk and making links using ln, did not work to well. any help will bi highly appreciated. pathikrit
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HEY NeXT, how about this keyboard problem? Date: 23 May 1994 17:04:16 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2rqnmg$4ft@rosie.next.com> References: <Cq8M4s.9EL@research.canon.oz.au> In article <Cq8M4s.9EL@research.canon.oz.au> greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney) writes: > Back before 3.0, you could log in as root and set the machine's keymap, > and this only got overridden if the user had set their own keymap, which > was entirely optional. This made it possible to have different keymaps > on different machines, users could also elect to have their own personal > keymaps, the sun shone brightly, and life was happy. > > Was it really necessary to break this behaviour? I don't know why the behavior changed from 2.0 to 3.x (or when it changed). My guess is that it was simply done for convenience reasons (so that Preferences and Keyboard app would actually show the right keymap etc). In any case, this has been fixed for 3.3. Erik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Dave@NexusAdmin.COM(David W. Fahrney) Subject: Re: Help! I can't install NS FIP 3.2 Message-ID: <Cq8n7I.E8@nexusadmin.com> Sender: dave@nexusadmin.com (David W. Fahrney) Organization: Nexus Administration References: <HORNKVJM.94May21091928@calvin.whitman.edu> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 04:30:51 GMT John Hornkvist writes !> Hi! !> !> I bought NeXTStep Academic Bundle, and I can't get it to find my SCSI !> driver. !> I have the Talus driver for NCR, but when I try to specify that disk !> during install, NS does not find the driver. I thought that the disk !> would !> be properly set up, but it is not! !> !> Help me! !> !> The message I get is: !> couldn't find /usr/Devices !> This probably should be posted to comp.sys.next.sysadmin. But here's the answer: The OS looks for drivers in the directory /usr/Devices on the floppy disk. This is, incidentally, where they are also located on your computer after installation. The disk may not have those directories. You will need to get to another machine already running NEXTSTEP. Insert the floppy which we will assume is called "Floppy" and the driver is called "NCRDriver.config": mkdir /Floppy/usr mkdir /Floppy/usr/Devices mv /Floppy/NCRDriver.config /Floppy/usr/Devices/NCRDriver.config eject the floppy and continue installation on your new machine. If you can't get to another machine you may be out of luck. You'll have to get Talus to fix you up! -- David W. Fahrney =:-)
From: bobs@pth3.bu.edu (Robert Singleton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: annoying icon problem Date: 23 May 1994 18:12:29 GMT Organization: Boston University Message-ID: <2rqrmd$40b@news.bu.edu> I seem to have an annoying icon problem. When I'm logged on as root, the home directory bobs (which is my usual home directory) appears as a regular folder - it doesn't have the double house icon. Does anyone know what the problem is? Thanks very much. regards, -- bob singleton bobs@pth3.bu.edu
From: bobs@pth3.bu.edu (Robert Singleton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: configuring printer Date: 23 May 1994 18:17:10 GMT Organization: Boston University Message-ID: <2rqrv6$418@news.bu.edu> References: <2rqg9b$t07@news.bu.edu> Just so you don't waste your time replying to this question: I now have it figured out. The problem was that I had to load the /etc/printcap file into NetInfo by hand using niload printcap . < /etc/printcap For some reason the PrintManager.app didn't do this (I've never had to use niload in configuring a printer to my NeXT before - maybe there is a but in PrintManager?) -- bob singleton bobs@pth3.bu.edu
From: anuster@cygnus.umd.edu (Anu Tuli) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Running Mathematica on SunOS 4.1.3 using Co-Xist 2.0 Date: 23 May 1994 19:42:26 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: <2rr0v2$5jc@umd5.umd.edu> I have been having problems running Mathematica ver 2.2 on SunOS 4.1.3 using Co-Xist 2.0 on NeXTStep 2.1. I get the following messages after launching up Mathematica : Name: On Context Class: XmPushButton Illegal mnemonic character; Could not convert X KEYSYM to a keycode And then when I try to plot any functions, the application crashes and I get a core dumped error. The same thing seems to happen with Co-Xist ver 3.0 under NeXTStep 3.2 ! Anyone else encounter these problems?? Please email me at: anuster@is-next.umd.edu Thanks a lot!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Subject: [HM]otel in SF? Message-ID: <1994May23.204818.911@rna.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 20:48:18 GMT Can people point me to reasonably priced decent Hotels/Motels in SF for the period round the expo? Thanks, -- gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) NEXTSTEP RD242 "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Melissa O'Neill) Subject: Why Kermit's speed no longer matters to me. (was Re: Kermit speed) Message-ID: <1994May23.211430.24727@cs.sfu.ca> Organization: Simon Fraser University References: <CEDMAN.94May20214329@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2rqg8e$e94@digdug.pencom.com> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 21:14:30 GMT I used to care about squeezing the last bit of speed out of my connection for downloads. Now I don't care half so much. Why? Because I found a nice little line multiplexing program that'll let me run multiple sessions, do file transfers in the background, and so forth. Transfer times used to matter because I had to *wait*, but now I can do stuff on my remote host while the download is taking place. The program is called `term', and I'm pretty pleased with it. It can do most of the things you'd want to do with SLIP, but you don't need any priveleges or a SLIP server to run it. I actually can run SLIP on my NeXT, but I don't because in my experience, `term' is faster. (Your mileage may vary, however). You can find it on: sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/term/term/term114.tar.gz and mirrors (check with archie). [Unless your local or remote end is an SCO machine, you probably want to avoid term115.tar.gz because it adds SCO support, but breaks compilation on NeXTs and Suns (fairly easy to fix though).] Go try it, and stop having to wait while your transfers are happening. Best Regards, Melissa. P.S. I actually do use term in conjunction with Kermit 5A(190), since Kermit 5A(190) provides the `redirect' command which makes it especially easy to start term once I've logged in. (You can use `redirect' to run sz/rz if you really feel you must, too.) --- I am Woman, hear me Roa... oh, sorry, was I interrupting... no no, it wasn't important... no, really; it's fine. // Melissa O'Neill <oneill@cs.sfu.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) In-Reply-To: robin@pencom.com's message of 23 May 1994 14:57:18 GMT To: robin@pencom.com Message-ID: <CEDMAN.94May23130358@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.94May20214329@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2rqg8e$e94@digdug.pencom.com> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 17:03:56 GMT In article <2rqg8e$e94@digdug.pencom.com> robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson) writes: In article <CEDMAN.94May20214329@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: : FYI, the theoretical optimum for incompressible data on this line : is 1440 bytes per second, not 1800, because asynchronous transfer : requires a start and a stop bit. Your 30% performance sounds like : what I used to get before I learned that Kermit could be tuned. : :Not quite. V42.bis (and every 14,400 bps modem in existence also has :V42.bis) sends data over the line synchronously, not asynchronously :(as over the DTE), so your peak transfer rate goes back up to 14400 :(bit/second)/(8 bits/byte) = 1800 bytes/second. But then there is the :overhead from the automatic error detection and correction features of :V42.bis which again reduce theoretical maximum throughput. :Calculating this is a little bit more complicated and modem dependent :but you end up with a theoretical maximum transfer rate typically in :the low 1600s. So the start/stop bits don't enter into it? The DTE device is transmitting 10 bit characters isn't it? (8 data, 1 start, 1 stop.) Given this, are you suggesting that the modem is reading the data, converting to 8-bit synchronous, and only passing 8-bits across the wire? Exactly. With V.42/V.42bis you have start/stop bits between the computer and the modem, but not on the phone line between the modems. Carl Edman
From: estraff@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPD file for HP LaserJet 4ML? Date: 23 May 1994 22:06:45 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rr9dl$4q3@rosie.next.com> References: <2roi81$hmb@news.iastate.edu> In article <2roi81$hmb@news.iastate.edu> chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: :A while ago, I've got the PPD file for HP 4ML from a kind soul in the :NeXTSTEP community. Now my harddrive has crashed and I can hardly recover :any files from it. : :I need the PPD file. You'd be greatly appreciated and remember for the :rest of my life if you can point me to a site to get the file. Try ftp.adobe.com, /pub/adobe/PPD/win/hp4ml_v1.ppd. Ethan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: Type of SIMMS needed for a NeXTStation Message-ID: <1994May23.224240.8550@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Distribution: na Date: Mon, 23 May 94 22:42:40 GMT I need to know what type of SIMMS I need to put into a NeXTStation. What sort of physical characteristics apply to this RAM? Speed, bits, etc. Anybody have any good sources for buying memory? Thanks... -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Mail Format/Protocol Question Message-ID: <1994May23.213246.1@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> From: f_hillhg@ccsvax.sfasu.edu (Wayne Hill) Date: 23 May 94 21:32:46 CST Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University I am trying to find information on the NeXTMail format. I am especially interested in the way it can incorporate so many non-text items so easily (pictures, sound, so forth). My experience with it is rather limited, but I certainly like it better than plain-text mail. Anyhow, if anyone can provide information or point me toward reading material, I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks, ------------------- Wayne Hill f_hillhg@ccsvax.sfasu.edu -------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: NeXT Mail Format/Protocol Question Message-ID: <CqAGI0.5IE@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <1994May23.213246.1@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 04:01:12 GMT Wayne Hill (f_hillhg@ccsvax.sfasu.edu) wrote: : I am trying to find information on the NeXTMail format. I am especially : interested in the way it can incorporate so many non-text items so easily : (pictures, sound, so forth). My experience with it is rather limited, but : I certainly like it better than plain-text mail. : Anyhow, if anyone can provide information or point me toward reading material, : I'd appreciate it very much. I have never seen a breakdown of the NeXTMail format officially. You could, however, pick up the MailEnclosure.app from cs.orst.edu, which includes source. This app generates various formats of email, including NeXTMail. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Will Solaris/OpenStep look & feel like NEXTSTEP? Message-ID: <2rs4eo$e7s@scunix2.harvard.edu> From: mohan@husc4.harvard.edu (Mohan Penubarti) Date: 24 May 1994 05:48:08 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA Hi folks! When OpenStep is implemented into Solaris, does it mean that Solaris on a SparcStation will look and feel like NEXTSTEP? Here is my question: I am about to buy a workstation and would like to continue with NEXTSTEP if possible (I currently have a NeXTstation). However, I would like to use GAUSS and S-PLUS which do not currently exist for NEXTSTEP (S-PLUS discontinued upgrading). They do exist for Solaris. If I buy a SparcStation and install Solaris for now, does it mean that a future upgrade of Solaris (when Solaris/OpenStep is released next year) will suddenly begin to look and feel like NEXTSTEP? Also, will software like GAUSS and S-PLUS just continue to run under Solaris/OpenStep? I am interested in NEXTSTEP at a pretty simple level. I don't care particularly about all the mission critical stuff: the only mission critical software I use are TeX, S-PLUS, GAUSS, Mathematica, Create, and Improv. I like NEXTSTEP because it is simple, elegant, very stable, and has UNIX. If I can get the look and feel under Solaris, I would like to go that route to get access to GAUSS and S-PLUS. I read the SUN/NeXT White Paper on OpenStep and Solaris and this is the impression I get. So, is my premise that Solaris in the future will look like NEXTSTEP right? I would very much appreciate your comments via email or follow-up. Thank you! Mohan Penubarti <mohan@husc.harvard.edu>
From: keogh@anshar.shadow.net (Matt Keogh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Skinny Dip Date: 24 May 1994 03:08:27 -0400 Organization: Shadow Information Services, Inc. Message-ID: <2rs95b$854@anshar.shadow.net> ÜÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÛÛ ÜÛÛ ÞÛÛÝ ÜÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÜÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÞÛÛÝ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÜ ÛÛÜÜÜÜ ÛÛÜÛÛß ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛÜ ÜÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛÜÜÜÛÛ ßßßßÛÛ ÛÛßÛÛÜ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ßÛÛÛß ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛßßßß ßÛÛÛÛÛß ÛÛ ßÛÛ ÞÛÛÝ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÛÛ ÞÛÝ ÛÛÛÛÛÛß ÞÛÛÝ ÛÛ *** THIGH CREAM *** The ORIGINAL thigh cream, as seen on national TV This is the NEW, SUPER STRENGTH formula Accept none of the immitation creams YOU'RE WORTH THE BEST!!! Now only $29.95 per bottle which INCLUDES shipping, handling and tax U.S. orders only, please. Rush check or money order to: U.S. Health Inc. 18524 NW 67th Ave. #311 Miami, Florida 33015
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kay@ecrc.de (Kay Schulz) Subject: Instant TeX Message-ID: <CqApJF.BEo@ecrc.de> Sender: news@ecrc.de Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre GmbH. References: <2ri39n$bd8@cisun2000.unil.ch> Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 07:16:27 GMT Hi can someone mail me the email address of DImitri Linde who wrote Instant TeX KAY ------------------------------------------- Kay Schulz, kay@ecrc.de European Computer-Industry Research Centre Arabellastr. 17, 81925 Muenchen, GERMANY Tel: 089/92699-154
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: david@smobject.com (David Vazquez) Subject: Re: Next doom with mail order WAD.. HELP Message-ID: <1994May24.143400.16255@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: SmartObject Technologies, Inc. References: <thomasCq123B.HEF@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 14:34:00 GMT Tom Thomas (thomas@netcom.com) wrote: : Is it possible to run the 1.2 MAB DOOM from cs.orst.edu with the mail-order : WAD file, or the WAD files that are floating around on the net? : If so, How? : I tried to load one of the WAD's floating around on the net with the command : >Doom -f NewWad.wad : No luck.. : I'd like to buy the game, but not if it won't run on a black box.. The docs say that you can do it. Just copy the doom.wad that comes with the registered version (or whatever it's name is) over the WAD file that comes with the shareware version. The catch is that you'll be buying the DOS version, so you'll need a way to get that 10meg WAD file over to your black box. : Thanks! You're welcome -David Vazquez "david@smobject.com"
From: rfoote@pcm5134.sph.umich.edu (Richard J. Foote) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [HM]otel in SF? Date: 24 May 1994 16:51:46 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Message-ID: <2rtbb2$bhr@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <1994May23.204818.911@rna.nl> In article <1994May23.204818.911@rna.nl> gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) writes: > Can people point me to reasonably priced decent Hotels/Motels in SF for the > period round the expo? > > Thanks, > > -- > gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) NEXTSTEP RD242 > "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" > Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud. If you take the BART (Bay Area subway) across the bay from Oakland, you'll get more "decent" prices. Make it close to a station, though. Downtown Oakland after dark can be a little spooky... Richard Foote (rfoote@umich.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tanderso@elite.intel.com (Todd Anderson) Subject: SoftPC for NEXTSTEP 3.1 Message-ID: <CqBFK8.Gvq@elite.intel.com> Sender: news@elite.intel.com (News User for Internet News) Organization: Intel Corp. Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 16:38:32 GMT Anyone know if there is a version of SoftPC out there that works with NS 3.1? I know it comes with 3.2, but was wondering if it also works under 3.1... Thanks! Todd ====
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) Subject: Help with Webster from Command Line Message-ID: <1994May24.154609.20013@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 15:46:09 GMT Can a person who is telneted to NeXT us the Webster.app from the command line? Could someone please tell me how? Thanks! O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov <NeXTMail OK>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: Printer seen by ROOT, but nobody else. Message-ID: <1994May24.161926.22256@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Distribution: na Date: Tue, 24 May 94 16:19:26 GMT I have a NeXT user here on campus who lost her system due to a time warp or something (I'm not really sure what happened). Anyway, after rebuilding the system, when she logs in as ROOT, she can see, and print to, her LocalPrinter. When she logs in as a regular user, nothing will let her print, she cant even see the printer as a choice. Any simple ideas as to what we need to do? Thanks for all replies. -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Solaris/OpenStep look & feel like NEXTSTEP? Date: 24 May 1994 17:56:54 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rtf56$2ck@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <2rs4eo$e7s@scunix2.harvard.edu> writes > > > Hi folks! > > When OpenStep is implemented into Solaris, does it mean that Solaris > on a SparcStation will look and feel like NEXTSTEP? Mostly, yes. OpenStep makes use of the same basic UI Objects, and Display PostScript underneath. So, the functional aspects of the UI (window buttons, scrollbar placement and behavior) should all be the same. As should the other features (drag-n-drop, services, etc.). However, it is possible they may change things like the color scheme (or should I say add one), and other cosmetic changes. I don't see why they should, but there's no reason they can't. They have explicitly said they would have a Dock. However, there was a rumour that Sun would create their own File Viewer, rather than using NeXT's. I am sure it would use Browsers of some kind, but they might (ack) try to emulate their current or CDE desktop, or at least provide that as an option. The important thing to remember is that Sun would have two user environments: CDE and OpenStep (three if you count Windows/WABI). You can use apps of any kind in any environment. So, maybe I can say that OpenStep will _feel_ like NeXTSTEP in all the important ways, but it might not exactly look like it. :-) Good luck, -- Ernie P. -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus' sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: bobs@pth3.bu.edu (Robert Singleton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Annoying Icon Problem II Date: 24 May 1994 19:07:48 GMT Organization: Boston University Message-ID: <2rtja4$6f5@news.bu.edu> Recently I wrote concerning an annoying icon problem I'm having. When I'm logged in as root, the home directory bobs (which is my usual home directory) appears as a regular folder - it doesn't have the double house icon. But if I'm logged in as bobs, the usual single house icon appears. Thanks very much to all those who replied to me. The most common suggestion was that I had a non-unique UID. I checked this and it was not the case. But I now have more information on the problem. Someone sent me a .dir.tiff file to try out (a yellow sun-like picture). I placed the .dir.tiff file in my home directory and of course my home folder icon became a yellow sun - and this happened logged in as myself *and* as root. So apparently when I'm logged in as root, it doesn't know which icon to use. There must be a directory with the appropriate icons, and a way to set a search path, but I've made no progress along these lines. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. regards, -- bob singleton bobs@pth3.bu.edu
Control: cancel <2rs95b$854@anshar.shadow.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: keogh@anshar.shadow.net (Matt Keogh) Subject: cmsg cancel <2rs95b$854@anshar.shadow.net> Organization: Shadow Information Services, Inc. Date: 24 May 1994 03:08:27 -0400 Message-ID: <cancel.2rs95b$854@anshar.shadow.net> Skinny Dip
From: elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Skinny Dip Date: 24 May 1994 17:25:04 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9405242225.AA03552@proxima.com> Here we go again - please, let's keep discussion of this topic OUT of the NeXTSTEP-related groups. -- Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) 506.1661 Director, ProxNet McLean, VA elitman+@proxima.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: riddler@netcom.com (Andy Riedel) Subject: NeXTMAIL Local/Remote Message-ID: <riddlerCqBuM7.KuH@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 22:03:42 GMT Is there a way to receive NeXTMail from a remote Internet account when I log into that account without having to download and manage the files myself? For example, I would be nice to have a means to see that I had some mail which was actually NeXTMail and then have my system download it or be able to view it remotely. Is this possible or do I need a dedicated mail server with a direct Internet connection?> Also, what about sending NeXTMail to remote addresses without a direct Internet connection (i.e. through an Internet account over a modem)? Finally, is there a way to get NeXTMail to send/receive messages over a NetWare LAN running cc:Mail? Thanks for any replies.
From: turnbull@datarev.datarev.com (Steve Turnbull) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CS.ORST.EDU Index Needed Date: 24 May 1994 19:46:56 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: root@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9405250049.AA07092@datarev.datarev.com> I need to get an index of the NeXT related directories and files from cs.orst.edu. I use e-mail to download these files, so I cannot browse and find the files I need. I have requested and retrieved via e-mail the INDEX and an lslR file but they provide me with only the top level of directories and no filenames etc. Any help would be appreciated greatly. Thank-you Steve Turnbull turnbull@datarev.com NeXTmail OK!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: SoftPC for NEXTSTEP 3.1 Message-ID: <CqBwGK.5Jn@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <CqBFK8.Gvq@elite.intel.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 22:43:31 GMT Todd Anderson (tanderso@elite.intel.com) wrote: : Anyone know if there is a version of SoftPC out there that works with NS 3.1? : I know it comes with 3.2, but was wondering if it also works under 3.1... I don't think there is one for 3.1. NeXT made some mods to the kernel at 3.2 expressly for Insignia's SoftPC. The version of SoftPC that comes with NS3.2 will _NOT_ run under 3.1. I assume you were talking about Intel 486 hardware, since you're from Intel Corp... --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: de5@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: Re: Sendmail V8 (who's running it?) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Date: 25 May 1994 02:59:38 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rueuq$hht@stc06r.CTD.ORNL.GOV> References: <ROBERT.94May18170535@steffi.demon.co.uk> In article <ROBERT.94May18170535@steffi.demon.co.uk> Robert Nicholson (robert@steffi.demon.co.uk) wrote: > As I understand it need to go and grab the new BSD dbm stuff too? It's not mandatory, but it is recommended. > How trivial are the config files for this? We use a 4-5 line config file for most systems here, and they aren't just passing everything off to a "smart" mailhub. > "Emacs isn't pretty. It's functional!" Have you seen Lucid Emacs or GNU Emacs 19.23+? -- Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov) I dream of a televisionland where it will be Martin Marietta Energy Systems as hard for a network to expose us to violence Workstation Support as it is for me to tell someone they have spinach on their teeth. --Paula Poundstone URL http://www.dec.com/pub/DEC/DECinfo/html/dsill.html
From: ja@sbp.com (Jim Sims) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail lost @ 3.2 upgrade, please advise Date: 25 May 1994 03:28:30 GMT Organization: Sims Boynton Photography Sender: sb@desiree.teleport.com Message-ID: <2rugku$nmo@desiree.teleport.com> I am lost in this and need some help. I have a NeXTCube connected to a Mac with IPT Partner. I pickup my mail with uucp on the NeXT. Last night about midnight I decided it might be safe to upgrade to 3.2 and I upgraded my cube from 3.1. Since the upgrade completed I have not been able to send mail, either from the mail.app or from uupoll. The NeXT is able to pickup mail,which endsup in the correct account, but all outgoing mail is dead.lettered. If I do a "mail -v" in a shell I get this error message: sbpnext:1# mail -v sb@mail.teleport.com Subject: test test . EOT sb@mail.teleport.com... Connecting to mail (ether)... sb@mail.teleport.com... Deferred: Host Name Lookup Failure sbpnext:2# Looking in /etc/sendmail, /etc/uucp everything seems as it should be. If I tail a connection: sbpnext:7# tail -f /usr/spool/uucp/LOGFILE root uupsi4 (5/24-15:14-665) REQUESTED (S D.uu4b847fe4 D.uu4b847fe4 daemon) daemon uupsi4 (5/24-15:14-665) REQUESTED (S D.uu0643012177 X.uu4Cb847 daemon) daemon uupsi4 (5/24-15:14-665) OK (conversation complete) uucp uu4 (5/24-15:14-666) daemon XQT (rmail ja) root uupsi4 (5/24-20:11-494) SUCCEEDED (call to uupsi4 ) root uupsi4 (5/24-20:11-494) OK (startup cufb 38400 baud) root uupsi4 (5/24-20:11-494) OK (conversation complete) root uupsi4 (5/24-20:13-498) SUCCEEDED (call to uupsi4 ) root uupsi4 (5/24-20:13-498) OK (startup cufb 38400 baud) root uupsi4 (5/24-20:13-498) OK (conversation complete) ^Csbpnext:8# I do not know what I am talking about, could the machine lose who it is. I may if I don't get it fixed. Advice, clues, encouragement, empathy NextMail: ja@sbp.com MiME: sb@mail.teleport.com Thanks, Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: dylan@Angst.COM (Dylan Kohler) Subject: Posting from other LAN hosts Message-ID: <1994May25.010831.2489@Angst.COM> Sender: dylan@Angst.COM Organization: Angst Animation Post Production Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 01:08:31 GMT I installed Newsgrazer and CNews using the CNews.pkg on the archives. Works great, except for one hitch. I can't seem to post from any other NeXT on our LAN that isn't the mailserver, the one with the UUCP connection to Netcom. Posts just end up in dead.article in my home directory. BTW, /usr/spool/mail and /usr/spool/news are mounted from the mailserver. Is there a tricky way of getting this to work? Thanks in advance. If someone has a solution to this, I'll summarize. -- ___________________________________ Dylan Kohler Angst Animation Post Production dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome)
From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPD file for HP LaserJet 4ML? Date: 25 May 1994 05:17:18 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa (USA) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2run0u$m1e@news.iastate.edu> References: <2roi81$hmb@news.iastate.edu> <2rr9dl$4q3@rosie.next.com> In article <2rr9dl$4q3@rosie.next.com>, Ethan Straffin <estraff@next.com> wrote: >In article <2roi81$hmb@news.iastate.edu> chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) >writes: >:A while ago, I've got the PPD file for HP 4ML from a kind soul in the >:NeXTSTEP community. Now my harddrive has crashed and I can hardly recover >:any files from it. >: >:I need the PPD file. You'd be greatly appreciated and remember for the >:rest of my life if you can point me to a site to get the file. > >Try ftp.adobe.com, /pub/adobe/PPD/win/hp4ml_v1.ppd. Thanks for every response I received. Here is a reminder for people who ftp the ppd file from ftp.adobe.com: The window version ppd file doesn't seem to work very well. I don't know if this is specific to the 4ML one or it applies to all of them. The windows' version of the 4ML ppd seems to miss the options button, i.e., the option button in the print panel is disabled. Good luck. Chris -- NeXTMail super welcomed!!| Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science <:)>:)<:)>:)<:)>:)<:) | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
From: sdunbar@mathlab21.unl.edu (Steven Dunbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FORTRAN compiler for NS/FIP Date: 24 May 1994 16:21:57 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: global Message-ID: <2rt9j5$nbg@crcnis1.unl.edu> Keywords: FORTRAN compiler NeXTstep Intel Is there a FORTRAN compiler for NeXTstep running on an Intel platform, especially a Pentium? Replies to Steve Dunbar sdunbar@mathlab01.unl.edu
From: hans@borneo.gmd.de (Hans Wegener) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Request for postal address of NeXT Date: 25 May 1994 08:34:00 GMT Organization: GMD - German National Research Center for Computer Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <2rv2ho$rrj@omega.gmd.de> Hello, I know, this might not be the right place to ask, but I didn't find any better. Could someone tell me the postal address of NeXT Computer in the USA? Direct e-mail replys preferred. HW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hans Wegener Phone: +49 2241 14 2840 GMD SET/SKS Fax: +49 2241 14 2889 Schloss Birlinghoven D - 53754 St. Augustin Germany E-Mail: hans.wegener@gmd.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: adracup@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Dracup) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Timed power-on with MonoStation Date: 25 May 1994 13:41:45 GMT Organization: IBM Glendale Laboratory, Endicott, NY Message-ID: <2rvkip$1dji@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> Last night I tried that timed-power-on option (for the first time) in preferences and it didn't work. Did I do something stupid? The checkbox for power-on after power off/outage does works. NeXTStation Mono 25Mhz, ROM 2.5; NEXTSTEP 3.2 I couldn't find anything in the FAQ. Thanks, Andy Dracup
From: bobs@pth3.bu.edu (Robert Singleton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Annoying Icon Problem II Date: 25 May 1994 15:06:41 GMT Organization: Boston University Message-ID: <2rvpi1$2km@news.bu.edu> References: <2rtja4$6f5@news.bu.edu> Thanks, to all those who gave me a hand with this. It turns out that I had "Large File System" selected in the Preferences.app in root. I unselected it and now the double house icon for my home directory shows up. regards, -- bob singleton bobs@pth3.bu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hornkvjm@calvin.whitman.edu (John Hornkvist) Subject: Need to find Alpine! Message-ID: <HORNKVJM.94May25095648@calvin.whitman.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Whitman College Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:56:48 GMT I have to get in touch with Alpine. Does anyone know their email address? Thanks! :>John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kevins@bmd.com Subject: Re: annoying icon problem Message-ID: <1994May24.082223.27363@bMD.com> Sender: kevins@bMD.com (Kevin Solie) Organization: benchMark Developments, Inc. (Lex., KY) References: <2rqrmd$40b@news.bu.edu> Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 08:22:23 GMT In article <2rqrmd$40b@news.bu.edu> bobs@pth3.bu.edu (Robert Singleton) writes: > I seem to have an annoying icon problem. When I'm logged > on as root, the home directory bobs (which is my usual home > directory) appears as a regular folder - it doesn't have > the double house icon. Does anyone know what the problem > is? Thanks very much. > > > regards, > > -- > bob singleton > bobs@pth3.bu.edu The physical path to your home dir is not the same as the one in netinfo. --- Kevin Solie Director of Development: benchMark Developments, Inc. Director: Kentucky NeXTSTEP Users Group Software Engineer: Alternate Worlds Technology -- Man, that needle was really starting to piss me off!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 17:49:42 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <94145.174943U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: contact info for peripheral solutions? i am looking for the phone number or email address of peripheral solutions. larry cohen, a sales person there, used to work for tecor and has always been a great help in finding the appropriate storage solutions for my NS system, but i seem to have lost his contact information. could someone else who has peripheral solutions/larry cohen's contact info please share it with me? thanks. -tom nawara nirvana@death.eecs.uic.edu ideaLABS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: Timed power-on with MonoStation Message-ID: <CqE8so.7EK@cunews.carleton.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2rvkip$1dji@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 05:05:11 GMT Andy Dracup (adracup@vnet.ibm.com) wrote: : Last night I tried that timed-power-on option (for the first time) in : preferences and it didn't work. Did I do something stupid? The : checkbox for power-on after power off/outage does works. : NeXTStation Mono 25Mhz, ROM 2.5; NEXTSTEP 3.2 I have forgotten how this works, but I wonder if you have to be root to do that??? --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: chris@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Christian Limpach) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Suggestion: 'active' scrollbars Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 25 May 1994 23:21:30 GMT Organization: welcome to nowhere... Message-ID: <CHRIS.94May26012131arkin@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch> References: <8054@darmstadt.gmd.de> <CHRIS.94May22191421arkin@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch> <2rteq7$loi@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> In-reply-to: kinch@jones.heart.rri.uwo.ca's message of 24 May 1994 17:51:03 GMT Originator: ARKIN@nice [Followup-To: set to comp.sys.next.misc] In article <2rteq7$loi@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> kinch@jones.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Dave Kinchlea) writes: > >I wouldn't like to have this. It would IMHO be quite useless. After > >all, real-world sliders don't give you a visual feedback if you use > > No, real-world sliders provide a tactile feedback so you don't NEED a > 3d feedback. but you get a feedback as soon as you move the slider. And if you click on sliders and don't move them, then you have too much spare time and you're just playing around. I think that even then, moving the slider around, is more fun than just watching some boring 3D effect :-) > >them, GUI buttons just like real-world buttons do... And what about > >the titlebar, the resizers ? Do you want to change these as well ? > > And why not? In what way would these hurt? they would require NeXT to spend time on this, time which they could use to do some more important and more needed things... > One of the things I least appreciate in NeXT's GUI is that not any > little thing has some customization possibilities... yes indeed, I would like to have some more customization possibilities too. > SO, make it configurable (like ALL interactions should be) then > everyone could be happy! agreed. christian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Hill) Subject: Re: annoying icon problem Message-ID: <CqDs1H.Erv@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science References: <2rqrmd$40b@news.bu.edu> Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 23:03:16 GMT In article <2rqrmd$40b@news.bu.edu> bobs@pth3.bu.edu (Robert Singleton) writes: >I seem to have an annoying icon problem. When I'm logged >on as root, the home directory bobs (which is my usual home >directory) appears as a regular folder - it doesn't have >the double house icon. Does anyone know what the problem >is? Thanks very much. > > >regards, > >-- >bob singleton >bobs@pth3.bu.edu Try setting up the permissions correctly, and the pathnames under the user manager. david ------ -- david hill: hill@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | Imagination is more voice: 403-282-6481, fax: 403-282-6778 | important than knowledge. nextmail: hill@trillium.ab.ca | (Albert Einstein)
From: unlhds@nlhds.UUCP (Pieter van Emmerik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Use NeXT STEP TIFF files in WP on a PC ??? Distribution: world Message-ID: <769961170snx@nlhds.UUCP> Date: Thu, 26 May 94 14:06:10 GMT Organization: HDS info management Hello all you netters, I have problems using TIFF files from a NeXT station created with snapshot in WP on a PC. Normally it is simple to import TIFF files into WP, but not so if the originate from a NeXT station (yes the black box). Has anyone any suggestions? Please Email to: unlhds@hds.nl Pieter van Emmerik HDS info management, Dept. Industrial Automation unlhds@hds.nl P.O.Box 23, 7550 AA Hengelo, The Netherlands unlhds@nlhds.UUCP Tel: +31-74-464231
From: annard@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Timed power-on with MonoStation Date: 25 May 1994 23:03:44 +0200 Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands Distribution: world Message-ID: <2s0efg$rr@theborg.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <2rvkip$1dji@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> In article <2rvkip$1dji@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> adracup@vnet.ibm.com (Andy Dracup) writes: > Last night I tried that timed-power-on option (for the first time) in > preferences and it didn't work. Did I do something stupid? The > checkbox for power-on after power off/outage does works. > There is something with this Preference panel that bothers me, though I haven't submitted a bug to NeXT about it. One way to get this to work is to repeatedly click on set when you change the date, hour and minutes and click several times on the "At specified time". This normally makes things work. :-)) Have other people experienced this trouble? Annard -- Give me enough bandwidth and I can transmit the earth. - Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) PGP Public Key available on request -- Give me enough bandwidth and I can transmit the earth. - Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) PGP Public Key available on request
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: Use NeXT STEP TIFF files in WP on a PC ??? Message-ID: <May26.195930.39355@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 19:59:30 GMT References: <769961170snx@nlhds.UUCP> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada In article <769961170snx@nlhds.UUCP> unlhds@nlhds.UUCP (Pieter van Emmerik) writes: > Hello all you netters, > > I have problems using TIFF files from a NeXT station created with > snapshot in WP on a PC. > Normally it is simple to import TIFF files into WP, but not so if the > originate from a NeXT station (yes the black box). > > Has anyone any suggestions? > > Please Email to: unlhds@hds.nl > Pieter van Emmerik HDS info management, Dept. Industrial It is possible this is due to the atypical encoding used by NeXT 2-bit TIFF files, which WP may not support. Try converting the image to PPM, and converting it to an 8-bit TIFF using the PBMplus tools. -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dylan@Angst.COM (Dylan Kohler) Subject: SUMMARY: Posting from other LAN hosts Message-ID: <1994May26.184208.7434@Angst.COM> Sender: dylan@Angst.COM Organization: Angst Animation Post Production References: <1994May25.010831.2489@Angst.COM> Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 18:42:08 GMT In article <1994May25.010831.2489@Angst.COM> dylan@Angst.COM (Dylan Kohler) writes: > I installed Newsgrazer and CNews using the CNews.pkg on the archives. > Works great, except for one hitch. I can't seem to post from any other > NeXT on our LAN that isn't the mailserver, the one with the UUCP > connection to Netcom. Posts just end up in dead.article in my home > directory. Thanks to all respondents. It turned out to be a permissions problem. On the advice of Paul Lynch, I ran inews by hand. I logged in as news, ran "inews" with the article I had in dead.article and got a list of error messages, most of them because relaynews (which has its setuid flag on) wasn't owned by 'news'. Hope this helps someone with a similar problem. -- ___________________________________ Dylan Kohler Angst Animation Post Production dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome)
From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Login screen saver timeout? Followup-To: poster Date: 27 May 1994 01:47:27 +0300 Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland Sender: otto@network.cc.jyu.fi Message-ID: <OTTO.94May27014725@tukki.jyu.fi> References: <OTTO.94May26163743@tukki.jyu.fi> In-reply-to: otto@tukki.jyu.fi's message of 26 May 1994 16:37:54 +0300 In article <OTTO.94May26163743@tukki.jyu.fi> otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes: In NeXTstep 3.2, how do I change the login screen saver timeout? I find the default (10 minutes?) to be much too long, I think something around one minute would be much better. Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen! As usual, the net came thru within hours. The solution is (as Mr. Erik Kay from NeXT amongst others kindly explained): As root, dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim seconds. So for one minute: # dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim 60 The default is actually 30 minutes currently. -- /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ /* Mail: Cygn.k.7 E 46/FIN-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N 25.44E */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <OTTO.94May26163743@tukki.jyu.fi> Control: cancel <OTTO.94May26163743@tukki.jyu.fi> Date: 27 May 1994 01:47:35 +0300 Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland Sender: otto@network.cc.jyu.fi Message-ID: <OTTO.94May27014733@tukki.jyu.fi> -- /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ /* Mail: Cygn.k.7 E 46/FIN-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N 25.44E */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
From: Jason.Hunsaker@launchpad.unc.edu (Jason Hunsaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) Date: 27 May 1994 02:20:32 GMT Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. Message-ID: <2s3ldg$edt@samba.oit.unc.edu> References: <CEDMAN.94May20214329@capitalist.princeton.edu> <CEDMAN.94May17233942@capitalist.princeton.edu> <2rj42a$fi@cat.cis.Bro <Cq5yAo.G4t@freenet.buffalo.edu> Some nice things to know: Use hardware flow-control (RTS/CTS) instead of software flow-control when ever possible if your equipment supports it. Kermit is a little bit more robust than Zmodem in that it prefixes control characters, but one pays a price in transfer speed for this this prefixing. The feature can be turned off in Kermit if you want to play around with it. The packet size is determined by the receiving machine. If the sending machine is trying to send 9024 byte packets but the receiving machine only accepts 90 byte packets, the sender will automatically re-adjust and send 90 byte packets. On the other hand, if the receiving machine is set to receive 9024 byte packets but the sender is only sending 90 byte packets, no adjustment is made and the packet size stays at 90 bytes. Always use at least 2 windows. If you only use one window, kermit stops the transfer after each packet to send and acknowlegment packet back to the sender (half duplex). Most modems support full duplex operation these days, which means that the modem can send and receive data at the same time. With 2 windows, Kermit can send the acknowlegment packet back to the sender with out interrupting the incoming packets. If you are using ethernet, SLIP, or PPP, increasing size to 4 or more windows might also speed things up. But on plain old modem or serial connections,using more than 2 windows doesn't improve things all that much, if at all. If you transfer a file and it gets corrupted at the receivers end, you probably transfered a text(ascii) file in binary mode, or binary file (.zip, .z, .gif, .jpg, .pkg. etc.) in text mode. Make sure that you SET FILE TYPE TEXT or SET FILE TYPE BINARY accordingly *before* you begin the transfer. Or you may need to turn control-character prefixing back on if you turned it off. Or you need you used better block-checking (SET BLOCK 2 or SET BLOCK 3) to compensate for a bad connection. Another solution is to make packet size smaller until Kermit no longer chokes on them. This is one of the reasons that Kermit is initally set up with such a small packet size: so that it will at least communicate with the other end even under the worst conditions. Usually conditions don't get that bad and you can boost packet size and tune other paramaters to optimize Kermit for your specific conditions. Make sure you are using the latest version of kermit on both ends, for MS-DOS, this is MS-KERMIT 3.13 with 3.14 due out soon. For everything else, it's C-Kermit 5A(190). Both are FTPable from kermit.columbia.edu (at least I think that's the address). The following setting seem to work best for me most of the time for both the sending and receiving machines: set block 3 set window 2 set send packet 9024 set receive packet 9024 plus any other settings you may want to add according to your preferences, like: set line set speed 9600 set terminal display 8 set parity none set modem hayes set port TCP set host fubar.blech.gov set flow-control RTS/CTS set control unprefixed set file type binary set file names converted set file display crt set file incomplete discard set file collision discard set attributes length on set prompt {C-Kermit fubar.blech.com> } . . . etc. Also, I prefer to put the sending machine in SERVER mode, and then use the GET and SEND commands from the receiving machine. This way I can change parameters I need to on the sending machine with the REMOTE command (REMOTE SET FILE TYPE TEXT, REMOTE SET SEND PACKET 2000, REMOTE CD /usr/fubar/misc, etc.). -- Jason Hunsaker -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ The above does not represent OIT, UNC-CH, laUNChpad, or its other users. / ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hoff@treene.darmstadt.gmd.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need to find Alpine! Date: 27 May 1994 10:01:08 GMT Organization: German National Research Centre for Information Technology Sender: hoff@treene (Holger Hoffstaette) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2s4gd4$jfj@omega.gmd.de> References: <HORNKVJM.94May25095648@calvin.whitman.edu> Keywords: urgent In article <HORNKVJM.94May25095648@calvin.whitman.edu>, hornkvjm@calvin.whitman.edu (John Hornkvist) writes: > >I have to get in touch with Alpine. Does anyone know their email >address? > >Thanks! > >:>John > I tried info@alpine.com, but got no reply so far. Their toll-free number is 800-748-4558, but unfortunately, this is next to useless for me since I try to contact them from Germany, and 800 numbers don't work from here. :-( Could anybody please post or email Alpine's regular phone number or (even better) their FAX number ? I need that NCR driver ASAP.. H.Hoffstaette (hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de, no NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: salmon@lgb.hill.af.mil (Keith E. Salmon) Subject: NeXTDimension Question Message-ID: <CqFI37.Iq5@oodis01.hill.af.mil> Keywords: NextDimension Sender: news@oodis01.hill.af.mil (News System;Unix;) Organization: Hill AFB Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 21:23:30 GMT I have the following equipment: NeXTDimension Board w/ color and mono monitors S-VHS VCR HI-8mm VTR I have S-Video cable from the S-VHS VCR to the HI-8 unit, and S-video cable from the HI-8 unit to the S-video input on the ND board. I can use both video machines to view recorded video information, but i also want the capability to hear the audio recordings as well. Does anyone know of a way to get audio through the mono monitor (or any other way besides using external speakers attached directly to the video units)? Please email any responses to the address listed below. Thanks. Keith Salmon Aerospace Engineer United States Air Force salmon@lgb.hill.af.mil (NeXTMail preferred)
From: Marco Schumacher <schumach@crpht.lu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.hp.misc Subject: PacificPage 4 PPD for Mac desperately seeking... Date: 27 May 1994 14:55:14 GMT Organization: Centre de Rech.Public - Henri Tudor, Luxembourg Distribution: world Message-ID: <2s51ki$1gm@caladan.restena.lu> References: <2roi81$hmb@news.iastate.edu> When I start my Installer from the original HP Installation Disk coming with our brand new JetDirect card (10-Base-T, 10-Base-2, Localtalk) it says it can't locate the PacificPage 4 v2.5 or the PacificPage 4 PPD file. OK, but when I use another PPD file from the original disks, I get a PostScript error out of Word 5.1 with a document containing a graphic. Text on the other side is printed. So is this a problem related to the PPD ? And where do I get the right one ? The belgian HP-BBS does have PPD's but not the ones coming from Pacific. We have: HP LaserJet 4, 8 PPM, 600 DPI, PCL3, Pacific Data PostScript emulation, 6 MB RAM, serial, parallel Serial Nbr:JPBV080080 Jan/93. PacificPage 4 running version 2.5 of PostScript. (JetAdmin PS test-page) JetDirect J2552 3 Installer disks J2552-13051,-13061,-13071 Rev. B.00.01 Made in France Thank you for every piece of information. Marco Schumacher Projet de recherche CIMOO Centre de Recherche Public Henri Tudor 6, rue Coudenhove-Kalergi L-1359 Luxembourg-Kirchberg Europe
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) Date: 27 May 1994 16:35:09 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2s57ft$6v5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <2s3ldg$edt@samba.oit.unc.edu> In article <2s3ldg$edt@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jason.Hunsaker@launchpad.unc.edu (Jason Hunsaker) writes: > > [excellent summary deleted] > > But on plain old modem or serial connections,using more than 2 windows > doesn't improve things all that much, if at all. > An exception is if at least one of the machines is slow to acknowledge due to it being busy with other processing, it has been accessed across a busy network, etc. In these cases, bumping the number of windows up to a higher number might be required to keep the packets flowing without interruption. > Or you need you used better block-checking (SET BLOCK > 2 or SET BLOCK 3) to compensate for a bad connection. > If both modems support error detection, using kermit's error detection (BLOCK 2 or 3) seems unnecessary and does introduce additional overhead. So BLOCK 1 seems sufficient for modern modems. Am I missing something here? > > set block 3 > set window 2 > set send packet 9024 > set receive packet 9024 > There's no free lunch :-) This setting will result in actual packet sizes of 4562 (set packet size / number of windows). 9024 is the maximum packet size supported by kermit 5A, so keep in mind that using more windows will reduce the actual packet size and thus increase the overhead percentage. > set flow-control RTS/CTS This is unnecessary for NEXTSTEP (and may actually cause problems). NEXTSTEP, unlike some other OS's, implements hardware flow control by using different devices (those containing 'f' in their names; e.g., /dev/cufa). So I have found that setting flow-control to NONE works fine. > set file incomplete discard If you occasionally lose your connection in the middle of a large file transfer, you may wish you had set this to "keep". Otherwise, you'll have to start over with your large file transfer. Although kermit doesn't support restarting an interrupted file transfer as does zmodem, it's easy to write a simple C program that will split a binary file such that you can transfer only the portion of the file that wasn't transferred due to the interruption. Then you can concatenate the 2 file segments and have the entire file without retransferring what you already have. > set file collision discard This may cause headaches as well as it will result in overwriting a file with the same name as one being transferred. kermit supports renaming files when a name collision occurs which may be what you'll want to do. Thanks to Jason for his kermit explanations. kermit seems to frequently take an undeserved bad rap vis a vis zmodem. kermit is certainly more flexible than zmodem and is as fast when appropriately configured in my experience. However, zmodem certainly provides better performance "automatically", but kermit can be tuned as necessary and can safely run setuid uucp which doesn't require that device permissions be changed. zmodem doesn't seem to support this "better" mode of operation. (I haven't used kermit for some time because I now use TipTop which has nice zmodem support, so I'm spouting off from memory which may not be entirely correct :-) --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need to find Alpine! Date: 27 May 1994 19:24:59 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2s5heb$4j7@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <HORNKVJM.94May25095648@calvin.whitman.edu> <2s4gd4$jfj@omega.gmd.de> Holger Hoffstaette (hoff@treene.darmstadt.gmd.de) wrote: : I tried info@alpine.com, but got no reply so far. : Their toll-free number is 800-748-4558, but unfortunately, : this is next to useless for me since I try to contact them : from Germany, and 800 numbers don't work from here. :-( : Could anybody please post or email Alpine's regular phone number : or (even better) their FAX number ? : I need that NCR driver ASAP.. Kris Magnusson has left Alpine, and as such alpine.com (his machine) has left with him. However, Alpine should soon have a machine up-and-running. As for their telephone number, you might be able to get through using, um, let me check my Salt Lake City phone book here...okay, 801/268-8877 for the Salt Lake City store and 801/392-0353 for the Ogden store. I believe most of the NeXT sellers are in the Salt Lake City store. When you call, complain that their 1-800 number isn't international, and that NeXT is an international community and they should have an international number even if it's not toll- free. You're welcome, Sean +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will Solaris/OpenStep look & feel like NEXTSTEP? Date: 27 May 1994 19:28:08 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2s5hk8$4j7@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <2rs4eo$e7s@scunix2.harvard.edu> <2rtf56$2ck@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Ernest Prabhakar (ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu) wrote: : The important thing to remember is that Sun would have two user : environments: CDE and OpenStep (three if you count Windows/WABI). You : can use apps of any kind in any environment. As I understand it, this isn't quite the case. Sun _will_ have two user environments, but they will be: CDE and Sun's X-window implementation of OpenStep on Solaris NeXTSTEP (NeXT's implementation of OpenStep on Mach) This is right, no? +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
From: hoff@kyll.darmstadt.gmd.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need to find Alpine! Date: 27 May 1994 20:32:20 GMT Organization: German National Research Centre for Information Technology Sender: hoff@kyll (Holger Hoffstaette) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2s5lck$eo@omega.gmd.de> References: <HORNKVJM.94May25095648@calvin.whitman.edu> <2s4gd4$jfj@omega.gmd.de> <2s5heb$4j7@hamblin.math.byu.edu> In article <2s5heb$4j7@hamblin.math.byu.edu>, sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: [how to reach Alpine] Thank you very much for this information! Fortunately the problem has solved itself: Talus just sent me email telling me they have finally managed to wake up my german reseller, so I can get the driver from them next week. THANKS TALUS ! These guys are just great: friendly, helpful, and responsive. IMHO NeXT should hire them for mucho $$$ and let _them_ drive NS/I sales. >You're welcome, >Sean :) Thanks, Holgi -- Holger Hoffstaette, GMD-IPSI/PaVE (hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de) Smalltalker, NeXTstepper, Amiga veteran, Net citizen. "I'm gonna get myself connected.." - Stereo MC's
From: jklinke@aeon.ucsd.edu (Jochen Klinke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Alpine's FAX # Date: 27 May 1994 21:07:06 GMT Organization: University of California at San Diego Message-ID: <2s5ndq$73b@network.ucsd.edu> here it is (801)-752-9377 Later, jk
From: rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu (randal rencsok) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP expo ticket USER/DEV up for grabs Date: 27 May 1994 21:40:07 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <2s5pbn$lv0@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Keywords: NeXTSTEP expo ticket Hello, I was wondering if anyone would be interested to attend the NeXTSTEP expo. I have an extra ticket to User and Dev conference I probably won't use and I'd like to work out an arrangement with anyone (preferrably a registered developer etc.) to exchange the ticket for cash, or plane ticket from MI to CA (one perhaps two way) I can just work out a cash deal but would prefer someone who's been in the NeXTSTEP environment as a DEV that would be willing to hang out a bit w/ me, and discuss things (but we don't have to be tethered). I'm flexible and willing to talk to interested parties.. Correct me if I'm wrong but these are going for $895 yes?? And we can get NS3.2 USER/DEV for intel for $299.. Anyone who is interested, and willing to talk let me know. Sincerely, Randy Rencsok Turbo Software and Consulting rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu 517-546-4037
From: smart_is@pinyon.libre.com (Smart Practice) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! Netware & NeXTstep Date: 27 May 1994 22:25:36 -0700 Organization: Evergreen Communications Message-ID: <2s6kkg$cvg@pinyon.libre.com> Our company just recently puchased the NeXT operating system. I happened to be connected to a Novell network (3.11). My system will not recognize any of our four Novell servers. I spoke with technical support and they said it sould just automatically recognize ther servers--but of course, it doesn't. I can "trick" the computer into recognizing the servers by booting up with a dos disk, logging into the network, loggin out, then reboot. When the next operating system comes up it recognizes the 4 servers. If you have any info -- PLEASE HELP! Sincerly annoyed, Lon D. Varscsak smart_is@libre.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CryptorBundle, 4.4 Sending public keys to other people. Message-ID: <1994May27.190445.20557@cc.usu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 27 May 94 19:04:44 MDT Organization: As little as I can get away with... I just installed CryptorBundle and pgp2.6 (the legal? version) in Mail.app. According to CryptorBundle.1.0.README, > 4.4 Sending public keys to other people. > > Open a mail compose window. Select NeXTMAIL. Click 'Tools -> > Encryption keys' and select the key you wish to send. Drag this > key into your compose window. > > Now send the mail as usual. > > If you want to save a key in an ascii file, just command-drag the > key into Edit.app - the ascii key will be in a Edit window which > you can save under another name for example. > When I drag a key icon into a compose window, it shows up just like it should. Checking /tmp/deviate/... I don't find anything that looks like a public key. When the message is received, the NeXT logo shows up where the key should be. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks, kc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomson@bluebird.fs.com (Doug Thomson) Subject: NeXT deployment on Windows? Sender: news@cardinal.fs.com (Account for USENET News system) Message-ID: <CqHHoy.DF5@cardinal.fs.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 23:10:09 GMT Organization: Fourth Shift Corp. as far as I know a NeXTStep app must be deployed on machines running NeXTStep. Is this still true? Is there any chance that it will change? Since we are a VAR, we cannot ignore the desires of the marketplace, despite holding our nose while testing in the DOS/Windows environment. -- ======================================================== Doug Thomson Fourth Shift / JIT thomson@fs.com 7900 International Drive (612) 851-1471 Minneapolis, MN 55425 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mgoedel@muaddib.isar.muc.de (Maximilian Goedel) Subject: Re: Login screen saver timeout? Message-ID: <CqJ852.J38@muaddib.isar.de> Sender: mgoedel@muaddib.isar.de (Maximilian Goedel) Organization: Michael Maximilian Goedel References: <OTTO.94May26163743@tukki.jyu.fi> Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 21:39:02 GMT In article <OTTO.94May26163743@tukki.jyu.fi> otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes: | I've tried searching all the usual documentation (manuals, NeXTanswers etc.) | for an answer to this, but to no avail. So, I'm asking a distributed | information network with gigabytes of infomation (ie. the net): | | In NeXTstep 3.2, how do I change the login screen saver timeout? | I find the default (10 minutes?) to be much too long, I think | something around one minute would be much better. | | Replies to me, I'll summarize if there is larger interest. | -- | /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ | /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ | /* Mail: Cygn.k.7 E 46/FIN-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N 25.44E */ | /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ PART OF THE FAQs ------------------------------------%------------------------------------------- dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim <integer_number> No relation to the dim time set by Preferences. The units are odd, I think. Felix reported them as 1/34 second. However, when I changed it to 1020, I got 15 seconds to dimming, and 680 gives 10 seconds, that I'm sure of. So I think the units are 1/68 second. Maybe Felix just thought it was too damn long! We all know it *seems* longer when you're not having fun waiting. :-) Whatever, the login screen dims to about half after this length of time. -------------------------------------%------------------------------------------- Nice Greetings from Munich -- Michael Maximilian Goedel email_____________________________ Gerhardstrasse 33 NeXT: mgoedel@muaddib.isar.muc.de 81543 Muenchen - GERMANY LINUX: max@funman.boss.sub.org Phone +49-89-652918 SGI: f11cs1@rz.unibw-muenchen.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: laurent@caladan.fdn.org (Laurent LECHELLE) Subject: Millennuim Software Labs: looking for e-mail address Message-ID: <1994May28.103220.607@caladan.fdn.org> Sender: laurent@caladan.fdn.org Organization: No really organized Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 10:32:20 GMT I am looking for the e-mail address of Millennuim Software Labs which distributes Engage!. Thanks for your help. -- __________________________________________ | | ____| Laurent Lechelle, Courbevoie, France |____ \ | e-mail: laurent@caladan.fdn.org | / > |__________________________________________| < /_____> NeXT mail welcomed <_____\
From: felix (Felix Rauch)@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Error message Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 14:28:20 GMT Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zuerich, Switzerland Message-ID: <1994May29.142820.357@harka> References: <1994May21.090918.3210@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Originator: HARKA@nice t.balasubramanian (balu@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu) wrote: > Could some one please tell me what this error message means > WindowServer[178]: IPCFlushOutput: failed to flush output for stream > 0x27df08. > Just keep getting this whenever, I quit Edit.app. Any solutions ? It also happens sometimes when leaving Librarian.app. As I have the same problem with a program I'm writing, I wonder how I could stop it? - Felix -- Felix Rauch, CS-Student @ ETH Zurich, Switzerland. internet: felix@nice.ch (NeXT Mail welcome)
From: chi@kaiwan.com (LCC) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help: Cann't boot up NS/FIP Date: 29 May 1994 09:37:41 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310/527-4279,818/756-0180,714/741-2920) Message-ID: <2sagcl$rts@kaiwan.kaiwan.com>
From: ken@nika.com (Ken Pelletier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems w/DCI reg. for Expo? Date: 29 May 1994 18:14:28 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Message-ID: <2sam24$5g5@News1.mcs.com> Am I the only one who has continually had problems with DCI and registration for the Expo - EVERY YEAR? This year's snafu is the topper. I got my registration confirmation today - for Database and Client Server World in Boston. What? I've never spoken to anyone at DCI about this event, only sent in my reg. for NEXTSTEP Expo, which I later learned they lost, so I then had to phone in on the last day of the deadline for the discounted price. Now this. I've been to each of the NeXTWorld Expos and the East Coast Dev. conference, and there was a problem with DCI each time. How have your experiences been? -- Ken Pelletier (ken@nika.com) NiKA Software, Inc. Chicago, IL
From: dpuertas@bu.edu (Daniel Puertas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT faq? help Date: 29 May 1994 18:28:31 GMT Organization: Boston University Message-ID: <2samsf$8f6@news.bu.edu> Forgive my ignorance, but i really would like to find out more about NeXT machines. I know almost nothing. I would really like any information at all: For Example: a list of faqs gifs/picts/jpegs specs market prices advantages/disadvantages Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Daniel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: Re: Creating HTML documents? References: <1994May18.190135.1081@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 08:20:08 GMT Message-ID: <1994May26.082008.7560@proximus.north.de> In article <1994May18.190135.1081@prim.demon.co.uk>, Dave Griffiths <dave@prim.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Hi, what is everyone using to create HTML documents under NeXTStep? Is there >anything which allows you to drag'n'drop file icons to create links? [...] I never wrote a HTML document, but as far as I know you can write them in LaTeX or FrameMaker and use filters. Those filters should be in many archives, you might want to ask archie for something like 2html or tohtml, as I forgot the name of the filters. Gerhard.
From: hal@alfred.econ.lsa.umich.edu (Hal Varian) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Creating HTML documents? Date: 29 May 1994 21:49:11 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <2sb2kn$eob@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <1994May18.190135.1081@prim.demon.co.uk> <1994May26.082008.7560@proximus.north.de> In article <1994May18.190135.1081@prim.demon.co.uk>, Dave Griffiths <dave@prim.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>Hi, what is everyone using to create HTML documents under NeXTStep? Is there >>anything which allows you to drag'n'drop file icons to create links? >[...] There is an HTMLEdit.app but I tend to use html-mode.el in emacs. Another sensible thing to do is to write your document in LaTeX and use latex2html. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert La Ferla <Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com> Subject: Re: Mail lost @ 3.2 upgrade, please advise Message-ID: <1994May29.204317.14615@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <2rugku$nmo@desiree.teleport.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 20:43:17 GMT This is because 3.2 now uses NetInfo to store the location of the sendmail.cf file. You must have had a symbolic link in the /etc/sendmail directory when now you need to edit NetInfo's /locations directory. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies NEXTSTEP ISV and Consulting In article <2rugku$nmo@desiree.teleport.com> ja@sbp.com (Jim Sims) writes: > I am lost in this and need some help. I have a NeXTCube connected to a > Mac with IPT Partner. I pickup my mail with uucp on the NeXT. Last > night about midnight I decided it might be safe to upgrade to 3.2 and I > upgraded my cube from 3.1. Since the upgrade completed I have not been > able to send mail, either from the mail.app or from uupoll. The NeXT is > able to pickup mail,which endsup in the correct account, but all > outgoing mail is dead.lettered. > > If I do a "mail -v" in a shell I get this error message: > > sbpnext:1# mail -v sb@mail.teleport.com > Subject: test > test > . > EOT > sb@mail.teleport.com... Connecting to mail (ether)... > sb@mail.teleport.com... Deferred: Host Name Lookup Failure > sbpnext:2# > > > Looking in /etc/sendmail, /etc/uucp everything seems as it should be. > > If I tail a connection: > > sbpnext:7# tail -f /usr/spool/uucp/LOGFILE > root uupsi4 (5/24-15:14-665) REQUESTED (S D.uu4b847fe4 D.uu4b847fe4 > daemon) > daemon uupsi4 (5/24-15:14-665) REQUESTED (S D.uu0643012177 X.uu4Cb847 > daemon) > daemon uupsi4 (5/24-15:14-665) OK (conversation complete) > uucp uu4 (5/24-15:14-666) daemon XQT (rmail ja) > root uupsi4 (5/24-20:11-494) SUCCEEDED (call to uupsi4 ) > root uupsi4 (5/24-20:11-494) OK (startup cufb 38400 baud) > root uupsi4 (5/24-20:11-494) OK (conversation complete) > root uupsi4 (5/24-20:13-498) SUCCEEDED (call to uupsi4 ) > root uupsi4 (5/24-20:13-498) OK (startup cufb 38400 baud) > root uupsi4 (5/24-20:13-498) OK (conversation complete) > ^Csbpnext:8# > > I do not know what I am talking about, could the machine lose who it > is. I may if I don't get it fixed. > > Advice, clues, encouragement, empathy > > NextMail: ja@sbp.com > MiME: sb@mail.teleport.com > > > Thanks, Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: manroe@manki.toppoint.de(Manfred Roehr) Subject: Re: Millennuim Software Labs: looking for e-mail address Message-ID: <CqLsvy.C5@manki.toppoint.de> Sender: manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) References: <1994May28.103220.607@caladan.fdn.org> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 07:02:21 GMT In article <1994May28.103220.607@caladan.fdn.org> laurent@caladan.fdn.org (Laurent LECHELLE) writes: > > I am looking for the e-mail address of Millennuim Software Labs which > distributes Engage!. > > Thanks for your help. info@millennium.com Manfred > -- > __________________________________________ > | | > ____| Laurent Lechelle, Courbevoie, France |____ > \ | e-mail: laurent@caladan.fdn.org | / > > |__________________________________________| < > /_____> NeXT mail welcomed <_____\ -- *************************************************************** * Manfred Roehr e-mail: manroe@toppoint.de * * Elisabethstrasse 88 fax: +49 431 733 483 * * 24143 Kiel phone: +49 431 73 45 39 * * Germany NeXT-mail welcome * ***************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: luis@elysia.com (Luis Arias) Subject: Re: Problems w/DCI reg. for Expo? Message-ID: <1994May30.122824.2109@elysia.com> Sender: news@elysia.com Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. References: <2sam24$5g5@News1.mcs.com> Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 12:28:24 GMT In article <2sam24$5g5@News1.mcs.com> ken@nika.com (Ken Pelletier) writes: > Am I the only one who has continually had problems with DCI and registration > for the Expo - EVERY YEAR? This year's snafu is the topper. I got my > registration confirmation today - for Database and Client Server World in > Boston. What? I've never spoken to anyone at DCI about this event, only sent > in my reg. for NEXTSTEP Expo, which I later learned they lost, so I then had to > phone in on the last day of the deadline for the discounted price. Now this. > > I've been to each of the NeXTWorld Expos and the East Coast Dev. conference, > and there was a problem with DCI each time. > > How have your experiences been? We also had a bad screw-up with them last year, we got somewhat overcharged... We did get our money back, a couple of months later...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CryptorBundle (Solution) Message-ID: <1994May30.095926.20656@cc.usu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 30 May 94 09:59:26 MDT References: <1994May27.190445.20557@cc.usu.edu> Organization: As little as I can get away with... In article <1994May27.190445.20557@cc.usu.edu>, J. Kelly Cunningham <deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu> wrote: > >I just installed CryptorBundle and pgp2.6 (the legal? version) in Mail.app. >According to CryptorBundle.1.0.README, [... ya da da, ya da da...] > > >When the message is received, the NeXT logo shows up where the key should >be. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? > Thanks to all that replied. I modified a *copy* of Mail.app. Several scripts in cryptor.bundle have /NextApps/Mail.app/cryptor.bundle/pgp coded in. All is well now.
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick Guide to NEXTSTEP Information on the Internet. Date: 30 May 1994 16:28:39 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2sdi9n$fer@digifix.digifix.com> This post is made weekly, to help 'point' users to more NEXTSTEP information Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information Server online comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers New Information --------------- Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information Server online A product directory built around the World Wide Web system, this will allow full multimedia announcements by NEXTSTEP developers, as well as the ability to browse the available products for NEXTSTEP. This service is online now, and can be reached at http://digifix.digifix.com/ it can be reached using OmniWeb (available from ftp.omnigroup.com) or Mosaic. The entries are coming in quite quickly, and currently consist of - NeXT Press Releases - OpenStep WhitePapers - Third Party Products Directory - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - NEXTSTEP User Group Directory - comp.sys.next.announce archives (searchable) - searchable contents of Third Party compilation CDs Additionally the NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server will be stocked full file files in the next week... you can get information on using the mail server at ns-products@digifix.com Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. Getting the Newsgroups without getting News ------------------------------------------- Thanks to Michael Ross at antigone.com, the main NEXTSTEP groups are now available as a mailing list digest as well. next-nextstep-d next-advocacy-d next-announce-d next-bugs-d next-hardware-d next-marketplace-d next-misc-d next-programmer-d next-software-d next-sysadmin-d (For a full description, send mail saying LISTS to <digestif@antigone.com>). The subscription syntax is essentially the same as LISTSERV's. To subscribe, send a message to <digestif@antigone.com> saying: SUB Listname YourName Example: SUB next-hardware-d John Doe The ftp sites ------------- cs.orst.edu: The main site for North American submissions nova.cc.purdue.edu: Lots of older stuff, but very short on disk space ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de: In Germany. terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (Dutch NEXTSTEP User Group) and cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Italian NEXTSTEP User Group) ftp.next.com: See the below ftp.next.com and NextAnswers@next.com ------------------------------------- From the document 1000_Help from ftp.next.com Welcome to the NeXTanswers information retrieval system! This system allows you to request online technical documents, drivers, and other software, which are then sent to you automatically. You can request documents by fax or Internet electronic mail, or you can transfer them by anonymous ftp. NeXTanswers is an automated retrieval system. Requests sent to it are answered electronically, and are not read or handled by a human being. NeXTanswers does not answer your questions or forward your requests. USING NEXTANSWERS BY E-MAIL To use NeXTanswers by Internet e-mail, send requests to NeXTanswers@next.com. Files are sent as NeXTmail attachments by default; you can request they be sent as ASCII text files instead. To request a file, include that file's ID number in the Subject line or the body of the message. You can request several files in a single message. You can also include commands in the Subject line or the body of the message. These commands affect the way that files you request are sent: ASCII causes the requested files to be sent as ASCII text SPLIT splits large files into 95KB chunks, using the MIME Message/Partial specification These commands return information about the NeXTanswers system: HELP returns this help file INDEX returns the list of all available files INDEX BY DATE returns the list of files, sorted newest to oldest SEARCH keywords lists all files that contain all the keywords you list (ignoring capitalization) For example, a message with the following Subject line requests three files: Subject: 2101 2234 1109 A message with this body requests the same three files be sent as ASCII text files: 2101 2234 1109 ascii This message requests two lists of files, one for each search: Subject: SEARCH Dell SCSI SEARCH NetInfo domain NeXTanswers will reply to the address in your From: line. To use a different address either set your Reply-To: line, or use the NeXTanswers command REPLY-TO <your-address> If you have any problem with the system or suggestions for improvement, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. USING NEXTANSWERS BY FAX To use NeXTanswers by fax, call (415) 780-3990 from a touch-tone phone and follow the instructions. You'll be asked for your fax number, a number to identify your fax (like your phone extension or office number), and the ID numbers of the files you want. You can also request a list of available files. When you finish entering the file numbers, end the call and the files will be faxed to you. If you have problems using this fax system, please call Technical Support at 1-800-848-6398. You cannot use the fax system outside the U.S & Canada. USING NEXTANSWERS BY ANONYMOUS FTP To use NeXTanswers by Internet anonymous FTP, connect to FTP.NEXT.COM and read the help file pub/NeXTanswers/README. If you have problems using this, please send mail to NeXTanswers-request@NeXT.com. Written by: Eric P. Scott eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU and Scott Anguish sanguish@digifix.com Additions from: Greg Anderson (Greg_Anderson@afs.com) and Michael Pizolato (Michael_Pizolato@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: NEXTSTEP EXPO Reports? Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 20:22:52 GMT Message-ID: <CqMty4.9I4@crash.cts.com> Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) So, what happened at NEXTSTEP EXPO? Anything interesting? Anything noteworthy?
From: ken@nika.com (Ken Pelletier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP EXPO Reports? Date: 30 May 1994 22:07:58 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Message-ID: <2sdo3u$4ug@News1.mcs.com> References: <CqMty4.9I4@crash.cts.com> In article <CqMty4.9I4@crash.cts.com> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: > > So, what happened at NEXTSTEP EXPO? Anything interesting? Anything > noteworthy? Not yet; it's not until June. :-) -- Ken Pelletier (ken@nika.com) NiKA Software, Inc. Chicago, IL
From: bill@alamut.lifesci.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CS.ORST.EDU Index Needed Date: 30 May 1994 16:54:53 -0700 Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program Message-ID: <2sducd$bm1@alamut.lifesci.ucla.edu> References: <9405250049.AA07092@datarev.datarev.com> >I need to get an index of the NeXT related directories and files from cs.orst.edu. >I use e-mail to download these files, so I cannot browse and find the files I need. I talked to them a while back, and they set up an index file to list everything. Retrieve /pub/next/index Bill -- Bill Eldridge.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:Projects: routers that will route bill@lifesci.ucla.edu \ /\ /\ /\ / servers that will serve 310-206-3960 (3987 fax) / \/ \/ \/ \ mailers that will mail Ich bin auch Dagoberter.:.:.:..:..:.:.:.& modems that will mode
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@myxa.com Subject: iron-on toner? Message-ID: <Cqn4BF.rG@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 00:06:50 GMT Sorry if this is the wrong place for this, but would anyone happen to know if there's a NeXT laser printer-compatible system for making iron-ons? I vaguely remember something that worked with a printer that made iron on transfers. A friend needs something like this for class. Thanks in advance, Jon -- Jonathan W. Hendry tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar" Edward R. Murrow
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) Message-ID: <1994May31.025031.15787@venice.sedd.trw.com> Originator: verket@verket-home Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <2s57ft$6v5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 02:50:31 GMT In article <2s57ft$6v5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) writes: > In article <2s3ldg$edt@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jason.Hunsaker@launchpad.unc.edu > (Jason Hunsaker) writes: > > set file incomplete discard > > If you occasionally lose your connection in the middle of a large file > transfer, you may wish you had set this to "keep". Otherwise, > you'll have to start over with your large file transfer. Although > kermit doesn't support restarting an interrupted file transfer as > does zmodem, it's easy to write a simple C program that will split > a binary file such that you can transfer only the portion of the > file that wasn't transferred due to the interruption. Then you > can concatenate the 2 file segments and have the entire file without > retransferring what you already have. The "tail" command can also be used to split the file, for example: tail +123000c large_file > remaining_to_transfer Works great on binary files, countrary to intuition! Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP EXPO Reports? Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET/crash), San Diego, CA Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 02:39:38 GMT Message-ID: <CqnBE2.At@crash.cts.com> References: <CqMty4.9I4@crash.cts.com> <2sdo3u$4ug@News1.mcs.com> Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Ken Pelletier (ken@nika.com) wrote: : In article <CqMty4.9I4@crash.cts.com> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) : writes: : > : > So, what happened at NEXTSTEP EXPO? Anything interesting? Anything : > noteworthy? : Not yet; it's not until June. :-) : -- : Ken Pelletier (ken@nika.com) : NiKA Software, Inc. : Chicago, IL Oops, ok, ok, so I goofed. I don't follow NeXT news much anymore, and thought NEXTSTEP Expo was in May, not June. Thanks to all those who took the time to notify me by email of the error of my ways. No more mail needed, thanks! :-) - bd
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From: alpine@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need to find Alpine! Message-ID: <1994May31.105752.20721@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 May 94 10:57:52 MDT References: <HORNKVJM.94May25095648@calvin.whitman.edu> Organization: Utah State University In article <HORNKVJM.94May25095648@calvin.whitman.edu>, hornkvjm@calvin.whitman.edu (John Hornkvist) writes: > I have to get in touch with Alpine. Does anyone know their email > address? > > Thanks! > > :>John We are at alpine@cc.usu.edu, at least until I can wangle a better connection. Also, AlpineDirect answers (800) 748-4558, or you can reach any of us at (801) 752-6688. Thanks, Dan Daniel L. Kramer alpine@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: elee@ird126.fnbc.com (Edward Lee) Subject: NeXT mail reader for non-NeXT machines Message-ID: <ELEE.94May31144208@ird126.fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago, IL Date: 31 May 1994 19:42:08 GMT Dear Netters, Pardon me if this is the incorrect news group. Does anyone know of a NeXT mail to (anything-non-NeXT) mail program? This converter should run on a non-NeXT machine. Thanx!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 22:35:18 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <94151.223518U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HTMLEdit.app i saw the application HTMLEdit.app mentioned in another post, and i was wondering where it can be obtained. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks. -tom nawara nirvana@death.eecs.uic.edu ideaLABS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: haruyama@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (shinichiro.haruyama) Subject: a simple question about ejecting a disc Message-ID: <CqFvuK.CJ8@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 02:20:44 GMT Is there a UNIX command to eject a floppy disc from NeXT instead of moving a disc icon into a recycle box?
From: mrb@earth.wustl.edu (Mike Bray) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mac Font Converter or source Date: 1 Jun 1994 07:31:58 GMT Organization: Washington University in St. Louis Message-ID: <2shdhe$hob@bigfoot.wustl.edu> Our users have Macintosh Microsoft Word documents they want to fax to the world on demand. We can get rtf and/or postscript files on the NeXT, but the NeXT doesn't have the "Palatino" or "New Century Schoolbook" fonts which are necessary for the documents to come out properly. We haven't had much success using mac to next font converters and were wondering if there were any suggestions out there. We'd be happy to buy the fonts for the NeXT if someone could point us to a vendor. Thanks, Mike Bray National Outdoor Leadership School mrb@nols.edu 907-745-4047
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kay@nagasena.tynet.sub.org (Kay Schulz) Subject: Searching sources Message-ID: <CqpHtp.Cu9@ecrc.de> Sender: news@ecrc.de Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre GmbH, Munich, Germany Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 06:53:48 GMT I am looking for some sources for NS: 1.) Opener , I only got binaries and some utils sources, but no complete package to compile 2.) Something like mosaic 3.) a graphical ftp -- Kay Schulz GG kay@ecrc.de
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac Font Converter or source Date: 1 Jun 1994 12:20:30 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2shuef$fhh@inxs.concert.net> References: <2shdhe$hob@bigfoot.wustl.edu> In article <2shdhe$hob@bigfoot.wustl.edu> mrb@earth.wustl.edu (Mike Bray) writes: > Our users have Macintosh Microsoft Word documents they want > to fax to the world on demand. We can get rtf and/or > postscript > files on the NeXT, but the NeXT doesn't have the "Palatino" > or "New Century Schoolbook" fonts which are necessary > for the documents to come out properly. We haven't had > much success using mac to next font converters and > were wondering if there were any suggestions out there. > We'd be happy to buy the fonts for the NeXT if someone > could point us to a vendor. Mike, you have at least two choices: 1) MetroTools 2.1, an excellent choice which does a lot more than just converting Mac fonts...also has an API to "do your own thing" with the utility...contact them at info@metrosoft.com, Mary will hook you up. Requires you have Adobe's (or other vendors) .AFM files [as well as the Macintosh Font Outline] to convert typeface. 2) Mac-to-Pfa...is a great conversion/installation utility by Trilithon Software (info@trilithon.com) and his utility requires only the outline to convert as this utility generates it's own .AFM files (read: it COULD, but not very likely, change kerning pairs and thus line endings, right Henry). Henry also has parallel utility to convert windows typefaces...Henry is also an authorized reseller of Adobe Typeface. :-) Dave Briggman -- Paradigm Shift Corporation info@paradigm-shift.com A NeXT Object Channel Partner Hardware, Software & Peripherals ******** P.O. BOX 14565, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 ********
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ebarker@world.std.com (Ed Barker) Subject: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <CqpzHq.Mqn@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 13:15:25 GMT A friend the other day claimed that NS requires so much memory because the volume of PostScript code needed to generate windows and their contents was enourmous. I was under the impression that the memory requirements come from the fact that the window server stores the contents of each window in memory buffers. Anybody have a definative answer? ne grOD
From: indy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (weintz steven cortelou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP EXPO Reports? Date: 1 Jun 1994 14:42:36 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2si6os$mg0@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <CqMty4.9I4@crash.cts.com> <2sdo3u$4ug@News1.mcs.com> <CqnBE2.At@crash.cts.com> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: >Oops, ok, ok, so I goofed. I don't follow NeXT news much anymore, >and thought NEXTSTEP Expo was in May, not June. >Thanks to all those who took the time to notify me by email of the >error of my ways. No more mail needed, thanks! :-) (#import humor.h#) "Bad dog! BAD dog! NEVER wear pearls with plaid! CRETIN!!" --- from a Kevin Pope greeting card :-) :-) :-) :-) -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 10:44:34 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Ahv9vGi00iV642_z4_@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <CqpzHq.Mqn@world.std.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 1-Jun-94 Why does NS require so much.. by Ed Barker@world.std.com > A friend the other day claimed that NS requires so much memory because the > volume of PostScript code needed to generate windows and their contents was > enourmous. I was under the impression that the memory requirements come > from the fact that the window server stores the contents of each window in > memory buffers. Anybody have a definative answer? Well, it's true that there is a very large amount of PS code being generated and interpreted under NS, and this does require memory. It's certainly true that the off-screen buffers for windows (ie, backing-store) consume a lot of memory too, especially for color systems. The other thing to remember is that NS is based off of a multitasking Unix OS with paged virtual memory. The more memory you have, the better the system performs (in general). Getting more memory is probably the cheapest way to improve performance. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: vanguard@oar.net (Tyler Gingrich) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Inexpensive Source for Gecko Memory :-) Date: 1 Jun 1994 11:21:48 -0400 Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2si92c$dr9@dialup.oar.net> Well, I found a good source for Gecko memory (thanks Andreas). DataRam Corp. 1-800-822-0071 The folks at DataRam knew about the machine, provided great service, and have VERY good prices. I bought memory for my Gecko (70ns, 9 bit, ECC) about 2 weeks ago -- the prices were... 16Mb (2-8Mb SIMM Strips) 695.00 + shipping 32Mb (2-16Mb SIMM Strips) 1395.00 + shipping Best price from an HP reseller was $1170.00 for 16Mb (2-8Mb SIMM Strips). --- Tyler Gingrich tyler@vsc.com Vanguard Software, Corp. Disclaimer: I don't have any connection with DataRam other than being a satisfied customer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Interactive access to the Internet in SF Message-ID: <1994Jun1.140556.3904@planon.qc.ca> Sender: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 14:05:56 GMT My R&D Director will be in San Francisco area during the last two (2) weeks of June. He will have a portable Macintosh with him. That mac has a 2400 bps fax modem. He would be interested to access an interactive account as temporary E-Mail address to exchange E-Mail between him and our office. I would be interested to get information about freenet or commercial providers in the San Francisco area that could manage a E-Mail account for one month. Thank you Yanik Crepeau Network administrator Planon Telexpertise -- Yanik Crepeau The power of OOP used to stop when Programmer the programmer typed "make". With Planon Telexpertise NEXTSTEP and PDO, that is not true E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT) anymore!
From: aeg@hobbes.crc.com (Tony Glover HSV) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Biography Date: 31 May 1994 09:22:25 -0400 Organization: Coleman Research Corporation Message-ID: <2sfdmh$qil@hobbes.crc.com> If you are interested in learning more about the history of NeXT, I just finished reading a book that you might want to check out. It is called "Steve Jobs & The NeXT Big Thing" by Randall E. Stross. Another semi- related book that I have also read recently describes the early beginnings of the computer industry in general and the rise of Bill Gates and Microsoft more specifically. The book is "Gates" by Stephen Manes and Paul Andrews. This book does talk a little about Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and their interactions. Tony Glover
From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What format do NeXTStep CDs use? Date: 1 Jun 1994 20:13:04 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. Message-ID: <2siq4g$90d@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> I have only occasional access to a CD-ROM, and must reboot the machine whenever I want to use one(*). Since other, non-NeXT users have CD-ROMs on their machines, I would like to have them load the CD; I would access it via ftp, or tar through a remote shell, or even NFS. A colleague tried this under Solaris 1.1, using fs types "hsfs" and Rock Ridge. Neither worked. Under "hsfs" (High Sierra), mount complained about an "unknown CD-ROM structure". In what format are the NeXTStep and NeXT Product Demo CDs? On what non-NeXT machines can I read these? (*): Sure, the SCSI-2 spec mandates hot-swaps; too bad so few supposedly SCSI compliant vendors support this. pww -- Peter Whittaker [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~] Secure Networks pww@bnr.ca [ ] Bell-Northern Research Ph: +1 613 765 2064 [ ] P.O. Box 3511, Station C FAX:+1 613 765 3520 [__________________________] Ottawa, Ontario, K1Y 4H7
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iok@apollon.servicenet.ariadne-t.gr (ioannis koutselas) Subject: for the fax send program(success?) Message-ID: <CqpK69.5An@clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr> Sender: news@clnsnet.ariadne-t.gr Organization: /etc/organization Distribution: eie Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 07:44:33 GMT Hello. I would very much appreciate if i could find out people who have used the sendfax code for zyxel modems succesfully. Thank you. ioannis
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Biography Date: 2 Jun 1994 01:47:59 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2sjdof$dvg@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <2sfdmh$qil@hobbes.crc.com> In article <2sfdmh$qil@hobbes.crc.com> aeg@hobbes.crc.com (Tony Glover HSV) writes: > If you are interested in learning more about the history of NeXT, I just > finished reading a book that you might want to check out. It is called > "Steve Jobs & The NeXT Big Thing" by Randall E. Stross. Readers of this posting should be aware that this book was written without the cooperation of Steve Jobs or anyone connected with NeXT while the book was being written, so I understand. Sources at Sun (before the truce was signed :-) provided the cannon fodder, so read it accordingly. --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: Jason.Hunsaker@launchpad.unc.edu (Jason Hunsaker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Kermit speed (was: Re: Fast Modem Software?) Date: 2 Jun 1994 05:35:58 GMT Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2sjr3u$j6b@samba.oit.unc.edu> References: <2s3ldg$edt@samba.oit.unc.edu> <2s57ft$6v5@darkstar.ucsc.edu> In article <2s57ft$6v5@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, Art Isbell <art@cubicsol.com> wrote: >In article <2s3ldg$edt@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jason.Hunsaker@launchpad.unc.edu >(Jason Hunsaker) writes: [...] >> Or you need you used better block-checking (SET BLOCK >> 2 or SET BLOCK 3) to compensate for a bad connection. >> > If both modems support error detection, using kermit's error detection >(BLOCK 2 or 3) seems unnecessary and does introduce additional overhead. >So BLOCK 1 seems sufficient for modern modems. Am I missing something >here? Well, no. Most of my transfers are straight connections (ie: plug a cable into the back of one computer, plug the other end into another computer accross the room. No modem, just cables.) >> set block 3 >> set window 2 >> set send packet 9024 >> set receive packet 9024 >> > There's no free lunch :-) This setting will result in actual packet >sizes of 4562 (set packet size / number of windows). 9024 is the maximum >packet size supported by kermit 5A, so keep in mind that using more >windows will reduce the actual packet size and thus increase the overhead >percentage. Well, not true. If you play around with SET BUFFERS, you can get away with larger packet sizes, up to 9024. On the other hand, in my "staight connections, kermit seems to choke the larger the packet size is, so I usually stick with packet sizes between 1024 - 2000. This usually gets be between 75% and 90%+ on binary transfers between DOS & Unix @ 9600bps. [...] >> set file incomplete discard > > If you occasionally lose your connection in the middle of a large file >transfer, you may wish you had set this to "keep". Otherwise, you'll have >to start over with your large file transfer. Although kermit doesn't >support restarting an interrupted file transfer as does zmodem, it's easy >to write a simple C program that will split a binary file such that you >can transfer only the portion of the file that wasn't transferred due to >the interruption. Then you can concatenate the 2 file segments and have >the entire file without retransferring what you already have. At present, I have no NEXTSTEP experience. I follow these groups because I plan to purchase NEXTSTEP in the future and I want to get up to speed and keep current with what is happening with NEXTSTEP. The command above was intented to be in a "I-generally-find-these-things- fun-to-mess-with-on-different-platforms" kind of offering. With what I am working with, If it doesn't all make it the first time, I have to start over from scratch anyway. > >> set file collision discard > > This may cause headaches as well as it will result in overwriting a >file with the same name as one being transferred. kermit supports >renaming files when a name collision occurs which may be what you'll want >to do. Again, see above. This works for me in *my* circumstances. Your mileage may vary. Batteries not included. Some NEXTSTEP experience required. No I don't have a Kermit manual, I've just learned this from hacking, and taking advise from others who know more than me. Void where prohibited or taxed. .... This is only an exhibition, not a competition. Please! no wagering. -- Jason Hunsaker -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ The above does not represent OIT, UNC-CH, laUNChpad, or its other users. / ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: a simple question about ejecting a disc Message-ID: <1994Jun2.082747.10090@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <CqFvuK.CJ8@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 08:27:47 GMT In article <CqFvuK.CJ8@cbfsb.cb.att.com> haruyama@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (shinichiro.haruyama) writes: > > Is there a UNIX command to eject a floppy disc from NeXT > instead of moving a disc icon into a recycle box? You should use: umount <floppy name> disk -e /dev/rfd0a Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nfowler@acs.ucalgary.ca (Neal Fowler) Subject: Help with FaxModem? Message-ID: <Jun2.135318.15105@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:53:18 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Does anyone know how to properly configure a Practical Peripherals 14400FXMT FaxModem so that the fax portion works? From reading the literature all I can think to do is run PrintManager, press the Configure button, select one of the two faxmodem settings (InterFax and Class 2 FaxModem), but when I try to send off a fax I get this error message: Your fax could not be delivered. The fax software has failed. Restart your computer and try again. If anyone can help me here I would be most appreciative. Thanks. Neal Fowler nfowler@acs.ucalgary.ca
From: trestrail@aol.com (Trestrail) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Question about NeXTmail Date: 2 Jun 1994 10:46:05 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2skrbd$i2d@search01.news.aol.com> I would like to be able to receive NeXTmail, but have no way at the present time to interface with the net with NS. Is it possible to inject mail into my NS mailbox off of a DOS floppy ? If yes, how ? Thanks. Jeff Trestrail trestrail@aol.com
From: Scott McIntyre <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: procmail 2.92pl12 on 3.2? Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 15:50:44 GMT Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Sender: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk Message-ID: <940602165044.198AACYE.scott@shrug> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I just tried to compile procmail on my nextstation colour, running 3.2OS and got a system panic (this is during compilation, not execution)...I suspect that the problem has to do with the kernel locking it says it was going to do in the background to test which method it should use for procmail... Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: unexpected kernel page fault failure Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: trap: type 0x410 fcode 5 rw 1 faultaddr 0x10320018 Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: trap: pc 0x405133c sp 0x3ffff88 sr 0x2009 Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: trap: cpu 0 th 0x101eb920 proc 0x101eb1d0 pid 20852 pcb 0x111de010 Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: traceback: fp 0x111deed0 Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04050e3a fp 0x111deefc 4-args 101b0820 101a3f80 00000009 00000009 Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04050c98 fp 0x111def18 4-args 101a3f80 111def6a 040a5154 111de1b4 Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04053e96 fp 0x111def2c 4-args 101f28cc 111def6a 00000009 111def7c Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x0401d970 fp 0x111def7c 4-args 101f28cc 111def6a 00000009 101e4750 Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04098af8 fp 0x111defb0 4-args 00000009 000108e4 00000001 00000020 Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04001d0e fp 0x111deff0 4-args 0000005c 00000000 00000009 000108e4 Of course, I didn't believe that compiling procmail would cause this problem, so I did it again, and sure enough, it died again. What is the key to making this compile successfully? Thanks, Scott
From: tec@alumni.caltech.edu (Timothy E. Cushing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: command line tiff to postscript? Date: 2 Jun 1994 16:51:02 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Alumni Association Message-ID: <2sl2lm$96s@gap.cco.caltech.edu> I'm looking for a tiff to postscript utility that runs at the command line (not a GUI app) so I can forward faxes and direct fax tiffs from a simple terminal. We've got several people here with only Macs or PCs or SPARC and the NeXT supports the whole group for faxing (NXFax/ZyXEL combo). Craig Goss at NXFax thought he'd heard of something like a TiffToPS utility but wasn't sure where it might be found. Anyone seen or have something like this? Incidentally, we've been using a command line text/postscript fax script from Steve Hayman (shayman@Objectario.com) and it seems to work quite well. I envision adding a tiff-enscript option to that script to keep it all one tool. Any help is welcome--email or post. Thanks, Timothy E. Cushing tec@alta.com (NeXTMail Welcome) Altadena Instruments Corporation 55 W. Del Mar Blvd, Pasadena CA 91105-2505 V(818)405-1812, F(818)405-1817
From: fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Creating HTML documents? Date: 2 Jun 1994 13:08:33 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Message-ID: <2sl3mh$mlf@nova.umd.edu> References: <1994May18.190135.1081@prim.demon.co.uk> <1994May26.082008.7560@proximus.north.de> <2sb2kn$eob@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> In article <2sb2kn$eob@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu>, Hal Varian <hal@alfred.econ.lsa.umich.edu> wrote: > >There is an HTMLEdit.app but I tend to use html-mode.el in emacs. >Another sensible thing to do is to write your document in LaTeX >and use latex2html. > > Also, CERN should be (or has) releasing its Frame to HTML filter which (should) support graphics, equations, tables, etc. Since FrameMaker supports hyperlinks this may be a way to go (FM is now the "official" gov doc processing software and is getting more popular. Thus we (I?) hope to see it back under NEXTSTEP.) Charlie (hi Hal) > >-- >Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian >voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics >fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: diana@lusty.tamu.edu (Diana) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Question about NeXTmail Date: 2 Jun 1994 17:13:41 GMT Organization: None Message-ID: <2sl405$t4n@news.tamu.edu> References: <2skrbd$i2d@search01.news.aol.com> In article <2skrbd$i2d@search01.news.aol.com>, Trestrail <trestrail@aol.com> wrote: >I would like to be able to receive NeXTmail, but have no way at the >present time >to interface with the net with NS. Is it possible to inject mail into >my NS >mailbox off of a DOS floppy ? If yes, how ? Thanks. This should be a FAQ by now. Place the file in /usr/spool/mail/<username> Start up Mail.app Diana -- It should be against the law for anyone born after 1970 to wear tie-dye. ---Stephen K. Baum
From: comptrad@sam (Comptrade sp.z o.o.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NextStep education licenses Date: 2 Jun 1994 17:20:14 GMT Organization: Science And Accademic Computer Networks Message-ID: <2sl4ce$plu@bilbo.nask.org.pl> Does anbody know is it possible to buy NextStep Intel education license ? (where, price, etc.) Marcin Olcha Warsaw University of Technology
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep education licenses Date: 2 Jun 1994 18:34:05 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2sl8mt$639@inxs.concert.net> References: <2sl4ce$plu@bilbo.nask.org.pl> In article <2sl4ce$plu@bilbo.nask.org.pl> comptrad@sam (Comptrade sp.z o.o.) writes: > Does anbody know is it possible to buy NextStep Intel > education license ? (where, price, etc.) > > Marcin Olcha > Warsaw University of Technology Alembic Systems in Englewood, Colorado, USA is the sole (to my knowledge) higher ed reseller for NeXTSTEP outside of Campus Computer Resellers in the United States. You may try to contact NeXT in London or Germany as I recall that there is a higher education reseller over in Europe. Hope this helps, if not, email me and I'll find out who's who in Europe. Dave -- Paradigm Shift Corporation info@paradigm-shift.com A NeXT Object Channel Partner Hardware, Software & Peripherals ******** P.O. BOX 14565, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709 ********
From: peterk@berlin.nwest.mccaw.com (Peter Kretzman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is a .ps text extractor available?? Date: 2 Jun 1994 19:42:26 GMT Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <2slcn2$orb@ftp-p.mccaw.com> My apologies if this is a FAQ, but I need to find a way to recover the raw text contained in a .ps file. Thanks, PK -- Peter Kretzman Tel: (206) 803-4477 McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. FAX: (206) 803-7406 3933 Lake Washington Blvd NE Kirkland, WA 98033 Internet: peter.kretzman@mccaw.com ---> Note: NeXT Mail welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: ivor@cs.mcgill.ca (Ivo ROTHSCHILD) Subject: CrashTrap Message-ID: <1994Jun2.205217.13260@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 20:52:17 GMT I have submitted CrashTrap to the archives. The files are CrashTrap.README and CrashTrap.tar.gz. It is at the following sites: sonata.cc.purdue.edu: /pub/next/submissions cs.orst.edu: /pub/next/submissions hasc.ca: /pub/next CrashTrap is a demo of the ObjectError class. This class can help in debugging an app by reporting on crashes. When enabled, this class catches terminating signals (ie seg faults, bus errors) and fatal Objective-C runtime errors and writes a backtrace out to the console. It can also be set to continue after a crash by jumping back into the main event loop. This can give users the opportunity to save their work. ObjectError was written by many people including Bill Bumgarner, Andrew Stone, Mike Morton, and Julie Zalenski. I added the "continue after a crash" feature. -ivo ivo@hasc.ca
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is a .ps text extractor available?? Date: 2 Jun 1994 22:45:05 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2slndh$91a@inxs.concert.net> References: <2slcn2$orb@ftp-p.mccaw.com> In article <2slcn2$orb@ftp-p.mccaw.com> peterk@berlin.nwest.mccaw.com (Peter Kretzman) writes: > My apologies if this is a FAQ, but I need to find a way to recover the raw > text contained in a .ps file. > Peter, I believe you can use Tailor to extract text from a .ps file...there's a demo version on the archives. Dave Briggman Paradigm Shift Corporation
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: procmail 2.92pl12 on 3.2? Date: 02 Jun 1994 18:29:50 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94Jun2192950@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <940602165044.198AACYE.scott@shrug> To: Scott McIntyre <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> In-reply-to: Scott McIntyre's message of Thu, 2 Jun 1994 15:50:44 GMT <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> writes: >I just tried to compile procmail on my nextstation colour, running 3.2OS and >got a system panic (this is during compilation, not execution)...I suspect >that the problem has to do with the kernel locking it says it was going to do >in the background to test which method it should use for procmail... >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: unexpected kernel page fault failure >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: trap: type 0x410 fcode 5 rw 1 faultaddr 0x10320018 >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: trap: pc 0x405133c sp 0x3ffff88 sr 0x2009 >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: trap: cpu 0 th 0x101eb920 proc 0x101eb1d0 pid >20852 pcb 0x111de010 >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: traceback: fp 0x111deed0 >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04050e3a fp 0x111deefc 4-args >101b0820 101a3f80 00000009 00000009 >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04050c98 fp 0x111def18 4-args >101a3f80 111def6a 040a5154 111de1b4 >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04053e96 fp 0x111def2c 4-args >101f28cc 111def6a 00000009 111def7c >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x0401d970 fp 0x111def7c 4-args >101f28cc 111def6a 00000009 101e4750 >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04098af8 fp 0x111defb0 4-args >00000009 000108e4 00000001 00000020 >Jun 2 16:12:28 shrug mach: called from pc 0x04001d0e fp 0x111deff0 4-args >0000005c 00000000 00000009 000108e4 >Of course, I didn't believe that compiling procmail would cause this problem, >so I did it again, and sure enough, it died again. >What is the key to making this compile successfully? >Thanks, >Scott WOW, I'm running procmail-2.92p12.tar.gz under NS3.2 on a NSC (non turbo) and it compiles fine for me. Just not your day is it Scott :-) Do you have a standard /usr/include tree? -- "Real programmers don't create classes. They build hierarchies" (PGP key: send email with Subject: request pgp key) (ASCII for text only messages)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun3.011810.15418@adobe.com> Sender: caro@mv.us.adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <Ahv9vGi00iV642_z4_@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 01:18:10 GMT In article <Ahv9vGi00iV642_z4_@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 1-Jun-94 Why does NS require >so much.. by Ed Barker@world.std.com >> A friend the other day claimed that NS requires so much memory because the >> volume of PostScript code needed to generate windows and their contents was >> enourmous. I was under the impression that the memory requirements come >> from the fact that the window server stores the contents of each window in >> memory buffers. Anybody have a definative answer? > >Well, it's true that there is a very large amount of PS code being >generated and interpreted under NS, and this does require memory. I don't know what you mean by "very large". In fact, AppKit has been tuned to use PostScript as efficiently as possible, and that usually means using PostScript as sparingly as possible. >It's >certainly true that the off-screen buffers for windows (ie, >backing-store) consume a lot of memory too, especially for color systems. Right. It's not the PostScript code, it's window system *data*. Window buffers account for the lion's share of the window server's memory allocation. A color window on a *minimal* color NEXTSTEP desktop is 2-bytes per pixel. The same window is only 1/2 byte per pixel on minimal color Windows and Macs, and that's ignoring the generally higher resolution (more pixels per inch) of NEXTSTEP screens over Windows and the Mac. Even so, the guys at NeXT have done a great job of tuning the heck out of the window server, and making sure it uses memory efficiently. For example, if all you are doing is displaying black text on a white background with gray GUI decorations, your window buffer depth is only 2-bits. It's promoted to the full 16-bits only when you need it. >The other thing to remember is that NS is based off of a multitasking >Unix OS with paged virtual memory. Right again. It's not like you don't get anything out the extra memory needed. NEXTSTEP is altogether more powerful than either the Mac or Windows, and power needs memory, fast CPU's, and fast disks to be fully exploited. Also, the NEXTSTEP GUI is just as easy to use as the Mac GUI, but more versatile. The Windows GUI doesn't even compare. The cost of having such a great GUI is memory, though, as both Mac and Windows users will discover as those two environments play catch-up. Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.com (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Mac Font Converter or source Message-ID: <1994Jun2.015229.17599@trilithon.com> Sender: henry@trilithon.com Organization: Trilithon Software References: <2shdhe$hob@bigfoot.wustl.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 01:52:29 GMT In article <2shdhe$hob@bigfoot.wustl.edu> mrb@earth.wustl.edu (Mike Bray) writes: * Our users have Macintosh Microsoft Word documents they want * to fax to the world on demand. We can get rtf and/or * postscript files on the NeXT, but the NeXT doesn't have * the "Palatino" or "New Century Schoolbook" fonts which are * necessary for the documents to come out properly. * We haven't had much success using mac to next font converters * and were wondering if there were any suggestions out there. We [Trilithon Software] sell font conversion utilities which go from Macintosh format to NEXTSTEP or from PC format to NEXTSTEP. Blurb is listed below. * We'd be happy to buy the fonts for the NeXT if someone * could point us to a vendor. We [Trilithon Software] are also an authorised Adobe re-seller of fonts for NEXTSTEP. Write To: Trilithon Software, 3000 Alpine Road, Portola Valley, California 94028. Telephone: (415) 851-7901 FAX: (415) 851-7902 E-mail: info@trilithon.com ........ Henry MacToPfa -- a Mac to NeXT font converter and installer. MacToPfa: o converts the Mac storage format to NeXT PFA format. o understands Macintosh file systems, o understands Type 4 POST resources, o understands MacBinary storage format, o understands Macintosh font files on DOS file systems. o converts and sanitises the AFM file (is there is one). o converts and creates a correct AFM file, o fills in missing fields (such as FullName and FamilyName), o generates an AFM file (if there isn't one). o installs the font for you. o Available for Black Hardware and Intel Hardware PfbToPfa -- a PC to NeXT font converter and installer. PfbToPfa: o converts PC storage format to NeXT PFA format. o converts and sanitises AFM file (is there is one). o converts PFM (if there is one) to AFM. o generates AFM file (if neither AFM nor PFM exist). o installs the font for you. o Available for Black Hardware and Intel Hardware
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 01:52:32 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <YhvgIUu00iUxM8Bsgy@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun3.011810.15418@adobe.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 3-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Perry A. Caro@adobe.com > In article <Ahv9vGi00iV642_z4_@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger > <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >>Well, it's true that there is a very large amount of PS code being >>generated and interpreted under NS, and this does require memory. > > I don't know what you mean by "very large". In fact, AppKit has been > tuned to use PostScript as efficiently as possible, and that usually > means using PostScript as sparingly as possible. Well, the WindowServer is the largest process in terms of virtual and physical memory use currently running on my system (according to VSIZE and RSIZE in 'ps aux'). Even if the AppKit blits lots of things directly, a NEXTSTEP system does process a lot of PostScript code in any given time interval. How many PostScript operations get processed by doing something like cruising through a WorkSpace browser for a minute? How about Preview'ing a 10 page document before printing it? Thousands? Millions, maybe? Note that I am making no claims as to whether the implementation of either the AppKit or Display PostScript is efficient or inefficient. I am simply claiming that since NeXT systems use DPS pretty intensively, this does consume significant amounts of the system resources (CPU, memory, etc). -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: NextStep education licenses Message-ID: <1994Jun3.064514.12812@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <2sl8mt$639@inxs.concert.net> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 06:45:14 GMT In article <2sl8mt$639@inxs.concert.net> info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) writes: > In article <2sl4ce$plu@bilbo.nask.org.pl> comptrad@sam (Comptrade sp.z o.o.) > writes: > > Does anbody know is it possible to buy NextStep Intel > > education license ? (where, price, etc.) > > Alembic Systems in Englewood, Colorado, USA is the sole (to my knowledge) > higher ed reseller for NeXTSTEP outside of Campus Computer Resellers in the > United States. > > You may try to contact NeXT in London or Germany as I recall that there is a > higher education reseller over in Europe. > > Hope this helps, if not, email me and I'll find out who's who in Europe. We sell academic NeXTSTEP. (Original poster doesn't have a valid reply address) Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sdavenpo@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: ex Message-ID: <1994Jun3.091846.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> Sender: news@dmi.stevens-tech.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 14:18:46 GMT Could someone provide me with the number for Diskcovery Education in Florida (I believe Palm Beach)? I made an order with them and now have misplaced the phone number. Thanks Scott Davenport sdavenpo@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Doug Moore Subject: Renderman on Ariel IRCAM? Message-ID: <Cqtp9y.9w5@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 13:25:33 GMT Does anybody know if this is possible or being done? I'm also looking for any non music experiences with this board, and an email address for Ariel... -- Douglas Moore St Paul, MN 612-227-3274 dmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu <---NeXTMail ready
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? In-Reply-To: Charles William Swiger's message of Fri, 3 Jun 1994 01:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: <BYER.94Jun3102209@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <YhvgIUu00iUxM8Bsgy@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 17:22:09 GMT Charles William Swiger writes: Charles> Well, the WindowServer is the largest process in terms of virtual Charles> and physical memory use currently running on my system (according Charles> to VSIZE and RSIZE in 'ps aux'). Remember that window buffers come out of the window server's memory space, as do all offscreen windows. Charles> Note that I am making no claims as to whether the implementation of Charles> either the AppKit or Display PostScript is efficient or Charles> inefficient. I am simply claiming that since NeXT systems use DPS Charles> pretty intensively, this does consume significant amounts of the Charles> system resources (CPU, memory, etc). True, it ain't no spring chicken. However, Perry's assertion is correct - as other systems add capability, their users will see bloat. Watch as the high-capability imaging models on the other platforms are introduced (e.g., QDGX) - they're not small either. True, there is some cost for PostScript being an interpreter - but that cost gets you the ability to remote display things across many different machines. And the interpretation overhead of BOSes is quite low. And while I know it isn't saying much, NeXT's window server is definitely less of a pig than X is. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === ===
From: stimpy@beavis.im.med.umich.edu (Gary L.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ex Date: 3 Jun 1994 22:14:52 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Medical Center Message-ID: <2soa0s$i4m@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <1994Jun3.091846.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> diskovery's number is: 800-331-5489 I have bought from them, and they are a respectible company, I highly reccomend them ####################################################################
From: michael@mvhome.hesta.com (Michael Verruto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,alt.guitar.tab,alt.guitar,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Guitar programs Date: 4 Jun 1994 13:42:28 GMT Organization: FXnet Message-ID: <2sq0c4$8jg@clt.fx.net> Are any of the programs refferred to in alt.guitar.tab (ie. CHORD) available for NeXTSTEP? How hard would they be to port? Unfortunately I am programming illiterate, so I apologize if this is a dumb question.... michael@mvhome.hesta.com
#################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 18:31:07 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <IhwE2f600iV0M2Wo8I@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <CquKr8.C8@dsinc!flash> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by jon@myxa.com > > Thousands? Millions, maybe? > > > > Run some apps with the -NXShowPS flag and find out. > :-) :-) What the heck, I'll actually do so: A 10 page document (spoo.ps) through Preview generated: % /NextApps/Preview.app/Preview -NXShowPS spoo.ps >& pscode % wc -lw pscode 5073 24330 pscode Since there were lines with multiple operations on them, I would guess that there was around 7000-10000 actual operations performed. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
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#################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 03:11:00 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2su444$4nv@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.233730.3993@millennium.com> JaysonAdams wrote: : I don't think you quite understand the situation. You're exactly right in : that if I have 105MB of swap space and all of my running processes require : more than that, I'm hosed. The bug is that when I quit an app that has been : partially swapped out, the space it takes up in the swapfile isn't reclaimed : (well, more precisely, if an app I'm running adds 40 mb to the swap file, : then some other app starts up and adds let's say a page to the end of the : swap file, when I quit the first app, the now unused 40mb isn't reclaimed : because the second app is still running). Typing "exit" in the WindowServer : won't make this problem go away, unless you're very lucky. The real solution : is that NEXTSTEP should be smart about truncating and reclaiming space in the : swap file. We've got two situations here. Let's nail down which is the real problem. In the bar-graph below, time is vertical from the top. Number represent pages belonging to some process. "-" represents a hole--an unused page. 111111111111111 1111111111111112222 ---------------2222 33333333-------2222 33333333----------- This is an example of normal paging behavior. The swapfile grows to accomodate the maximum alloted memory during a session (i.e., between reboots). It does not shrink, but tries to re-use previously allocated space. We've got people here complaining that after process 1 dies, the swapfile should shrink. This is absurd, of course, as the fragmentation and efficiency problems of such a scheme are HUGE. i.e., 111111111111111 1111111111111112222 2222 <---system hangs for a long time as swapfile shrinks 333333332222 33333333 <---same here. Not a good solution, for sure. Now, Jayson, what you're saying is something different from the two examples above. You're saying space ISN'T FREED. I'll use a "+" to show space "lost": 111111111111111 1111111111111112222 +++++++++++++++2222 +++++++++++++++222233333333 +++++++++++++++++++33333333 ...and so on. This is a major bug in NeXT's software if this happens. I've not seen evidence of it, though. If you can demonstrate that this is happening, then we've got something to go on. If it's just rehashing angriness at the first example above, it's time to reread litertaure on VM. :-) BTW, could you _please_ fix your replyTo field? JaysonAdams isn't much to send letters to. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
From: dhowland@gpu.s#################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.210221.1632@rna.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <1994Jun5.051223.3378@millennium.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 21:02:21 GMT Jayson Adams writes > Of course you don't need DPS to create a nice GUI. Choosing DPS (or at least > buffered windows) was probably one of the biggest mistakes they made. Why is choosing DPS bad? -- gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) NEXTSTEP RD242 "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud.
#################################################################### From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 06:10:58 GMT Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD Message-ID: <2sueli$hir@network.ucsd.edu> References: <2suahv$71f@news.acns.nwu.edu> Jerry Weiss (jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: : I keep reading these comments about "memory leak" in NS, but I wonder if we : really need a memory leak to create the non-shrinkable swap file. I don't : pretend to know the actual paging methods NS uses, but if an active running : process happens to have a page swapped out into the end of the swapfile you : are never going to be able to shrink the file. That process doesn't : necessarily need to be the one on the screen, it could be some otherwise : idle process that the pager has picked on while scrouging for memory for : some other app. This is what I'd guess is happening. Given the apparent evidence *) swapfiles usually appear to grow in size after heavy use. *) they apparently occasionally shrink, but not very much. Here's my hypothesis. The VM system is working "right". But there may be a memory leak in the WindowServer, or other heavy use causes authentically high paging demand at times. It does try to shrink the swapfile but I bet that the truncation algorithm cannot "move" in-use pages. That would be pretty tricky to keep everything right. I'm guessing that it "ftruncate"s the swap file just so as to cover the last in-use page. But after heavy use all sorts of things are swapped in and out and maybe some daemon's page (read WindowServer or network thing) ends up with that "very last" page. If that daemon doesn't run that page won't move. so it could look like XXXXX--------------------------------X With that one block allocated there. Given this, how would you design an algorithm to shrink the file with a minimum of tricky kernel stuff? Easy: touch memory inside a thread of the guilty process's space to bring the "end" pages into memory. (sort to find the last 5% of on-disk pages, e.g.). Then once it's in memory, make sure the paging algorithm pages back out towards the beginning: XXXXXX------------------------------ Now the truncation will work better: XXXXXX The trick though, is to do this thing only when things are quiet, because it is of course doing "unneccessary" paging from the point of view of performance. : Jerry comments? -- -Matt Kennel mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu -Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego -*** AD: Archive for nonlinear dynamics papers & programs: FTP to -*** lyapunov.ucsd.edu, username "anonymous".
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 06:48:48 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2sugsg$adj@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <2su93f$l8i@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> On the current NeXTanswers CDROM (available to Registered Consultants and Developers), NeXT has included an unsupported app called SwapCheck that monitors the swapfile size warning (via voice or alert panel) when it's grown either to a set size or to occupy a set percentage of the disk. It checks the swapfile periodically (the period can be set in its preferences). So this stands a good chance of preventing a system crash due to a growing swapfile. --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
From: lloyd@max.tiac.net (Christopher Lloyd - not the actor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 07:06:13 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Message-ID: <2suht5$74a@sundog.tiac.net> References: <1994Jun5.221433.24748@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> In article <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) writes: [explanation of vm/swapfile behaviour] Hey Nathan, I hope you're saving this for the FAQ. -- |: Christopher Lloyd :|: Yrrid Incorporated :|: lloyd@yrrid.com :| |: Fish Cannot Carry Guns :|
From: t-shawki@uiuc.edu (Tarek G. Shawki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Font Problems with DVIPS & TeXview Date: 6 Jun 1994 09:22:32 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2supso$hr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: fonts, dvips, texview, postscript, tex I do have a strange problem related to the printing of postscript CM fonts from within TeXview. More specifically, I have installed postscript versions of the computer modern fonts. I have also edited the /usr/lib/tex/ps/psfonts.map and built the fonts. In fact, the fonts are all available from the font panel to all applications. Furthermore, the fonts work correctly with TeXview as far as screen display is concerned. Now, here is the problematic scenario: (1) I draw a sketch using Diagram 2.0. I then annotate the sketch with equations produced by writing the TeX code in an Edit window and then invoking the service "TeXview -> TeX EQ->.EPS". I copy the resulting equation and paste it in Diagram. The equation looks great in Diagram and it can be sized without loss of resolution (since it is now in postscript). (2) I save the annotated sketch from Diagram in an "eps" format. (3) I now use the "epsf" macros to include the eps graphic into my TeX document. (4) Once the TeX file is compiled, it shows up "correctly" in TeXview. All the fonts appear to be there. As soon as you print (from TeXview), the output looks fine everywhere except that the annotations within the eps graphic come out in COURIER!!!!! (5) The amazing thing is that all TeX equations and text use the postscript fonts. More strange is the fact that I could print the eps file itself from Preview without a problem!! Hence, the problem reduces to that of the loss of font information from the included eps graphics when processed by dvips. I would greatly appreciate any help or ideas. This problem does not happen on my Black NeXT when I process and print the same TeX file. Thanks for your help... _______________________________________________________________ Tarek G. Shawki Associate Professor 134 Talbot Laboratory Theoretical & Applied Mechanics Tel: 217 333 7131 University of Illinois Fax: 217 333 3625 104 South Wright Street E-mail: t-shawki@uiuc.edu Urbana, Illinois 61801
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! need ergonomic keyboard Date: 6 Jun 1994 04:41:41 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <940606103625.6686AACUc.malc@jeeves> > Hi, I have a NeXT Turbo monochrome ('040) and a bad > case of repetitive stress injury from typing. Are there > any options for replacing my NeXT keyboard with another > more ergodynamic one? I do not have an ADB based keyboard. > Is it possible to convert my NeXT to ADB? > I would not recommend swapping to ADB unless you also intend to buy a non-NeXT keyboard and mouse. I'm now using an Apple keyboard on my ADB NeXT, and wish I had something other than the NeXT mouse. The NeXT ADB stuff really looks the part, but for me at least it is very, very uncomfortable. I am sure these things are personal, so please don't go just by my experiences, but if you have a chance, try before you buy. The thing I'm most interested in is whether the Kinesis true ergo keyboards (at a truly exorbitant price!) with a dvorak key layout will work with a NS PC...? I can't see any reason why not...? This leads on to a supplemental question: does anybody know if it's possible to swap keys around on the NeXT (ADB) keyboards? I wouldn't mind creating a dvorak layout, but I got the impression that if I pulled any harder in the keys something would break rather than "give". Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <CqyuI8.6uM@belly.in-berlin.de> Sender: usenet@belly.in-berlin.de Organization: - none - References: <1994Jun5.192810.18696@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 08:06:07 GMT Here we are at the swapfile discussion again. In article <1994Jun5.192810.18696@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > My understanding of it is far from perfect, but this is what > I see: > > 1) The swapfile does not shrink Mostly correct. I've seen a swapfile on a NeXT cube shrink, but it happens rarely. > 2) In practice, it grows to immense size I have the suspicion you got a memory leaking application running. My swapfile grows only when I do memory intense operations. Well, it stays at the bigger size when I'm finished, but following operations reuse this space, so the swapfile grows only to the size of total vm required. > 3) If you don't have a large disk, then you can easily fill > up all available space. Memory and disks always are too small. > 4) page outs begin to fail > 5) page ins then begin to fail Is there really another option? What I'm trying to say is: Even if NeXT would fix this so-called bug, the feature of the never shrinking swapfile - it wouldn't change anything, despite the fact that you were able to temporarily use parts of your disk as vm and later to store normal files, reducing the available swap space for later operations. It would not prevent you from running out of diskspace/memory when asking for too much. I wouldn't call the never shrinking swapfile a bug, because it is not a leakage but a missing feature. Just my $0.02 -- Axel Habermann \\|// "Wenn Du nicht kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (NeXT-Mail) )o o( weisst was Du kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (NO NeXT-Mail) \ | / tust, mach's FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 \~/ mit Eleganz!"
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Defragging the swapfile Date: 6 Jun 1994 13:59:56 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2sva4s$cna@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> New thread time. (Gee, I haven't had this much fun with a topic since talking about OS/2 memory requirements, last week! :~) As people will know from my posts, I believe the swap system works fine as it is, and any legitimate growth problems are caused by application-level code leaking memory. However, one person (I can't recall who it was) requested swapfile defragmentation / compaction as an option, for his case of sharing a filesystem between /tmp and swap, and wanting to be able to better juggle needs between the two resources. Again, personally, I feel if you're really having so much trouble, but more disk :~). No vendor I've ever heard of implements an automatically-compacting swap system, just like I've never heard of a vendor implementing automatically defragmenting filesystems or automatically reorganizing database tablespaces. It's a nasty business, especially if your machine is resource-limited in the first place. However, if the idea is to be implemented, here are some thoughts (Mr. Tevanian did ask :~). - Make the procedure manual, not automatic. Manual procedures can be put in cron to automate, but fully automatic procedures have a habit of kicking in at the most inopportune time. Plus, for people that don't trust them, automatic procedures are harder to see, and prove to oneself that they are really there and working. :~) - The safest approach to reorging the swapfile dynamically is to have two of them, to reduce pauses and race conditions inherent with compacting a single swapfile. A couple of scenarios come to mind: a. Cut swapping over to the second swapfile, and then reorg the first one in place. This will cause a short pause for any process needing to swap in or out from the swapfile being reorged, since the whole file might need to be locked off-line until the reorg is complete. But processes needing to swap new pages out can proceed with the second swapfile. When the second swapfile needs reorging, repeat the process in the reverse direction. b. Cut swapping over to the second swapfile, and then reorg the first one by transferring its active pages to the second one. When no more active pages are left in the first swapfile, truncate it to lowat. Again, this would cause a pause for processes that need to swap in from the swapfile being reorged, but if done properly, the pause would only occur if the swap in needed to be done right while the page was transferring from the first swapfile to the second. Once the transfer is done, that page now lives somewhere it can be paged in or out without regard to what else is going on the with the first swapfile. When the second swapfile needs reorging, repeat the process in the reverse direction. This approach is better in terms of compacting overall swap usage between the two swapfiles, but the other approach might distribute I/O a little better. These scenarios could be generalized to N swapfiles. Having more, smaller swapfiles would improve responsiveness of swapfile compacting, while having fewer, larger ones would improve system performance in terms of not hanging up the swap system during reorgs. Having said all this, if you still run out of swap, you're dead anyway. :~) And all of this work shrinking swapfiles only causes more work later extending them again when VM use increases. The only space reclaimed by these defragmenting operations is space that would be reused by the swap system, anyway. To get full bang for your buck, you'd have to implement some kind of garbage collection scheme that, during the reorg, would weed out pages flagged as active, that are in fact orphaned and not in use. Comments? Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc From: kochhar@endor.harvard.edu (Sandeep Kochhar) Subject: LaTeX/Postscript fonts for linguistic (IPA) symbols? Message-ID: <CqzAsq.Fs@das.harvard.edu> Sender: usenet@das.harvard.edu Organization: Harvard University Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:58:01 GMT hi! While the LaTeX book by Leslie Lamport does list a lot of mathematical and accented symbols, it still is missing a lot of symbols used by linguists (including the International Phonetic Association or IPA symbols)... Does anyone know if these are available at all in TeX/LaTeX already, or are they available in font libraries (postscript?) that can be used with LaTeX? Please reply via email if possible, since I don't frequently read this group.... (PS: Most of my LaTeX-ing is done on a NeXT if that helps any.) Thanks. Sandeep Kochhar Harvard University email: kochhar@harvard.harvard.edu 33 Oxford st. tel: (617) 495-3998 Cambridge, MA 02138 fax: (617) 495-9837 -- Sandeep Kochhar Harvard University email: kochhar@harvard.harvard.edu 33 Oxford st. tel: (617) 495-3998 Cambridge, MA 02138 fax: (617) 495-9837
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 14:35:11 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2svc6v$hel@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> <2su6sg$pun@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Deborah Howland (dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) wrote: : Right, "no". :~) NeXT's swapdisk scheme just puts a normal : filesystem on the swapdisk, mounts the filesystem at boot time, : and swaps to a swapfile located thereon. Peruse /etc/rc.swap : and man mach_swapon. Gotcha. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kay@ecrc.de (Kay Schulz) Subject: Sources needed Message-ID: <Cqz38w.Luu@ecrc.de> Sender: news@ecrc.de Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre GmbH. Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 11:14:56 GMT I would like to get the following sources to be compiled at my workstation: Omniweb Opener I couldn't find them anywhere. ANy hints, email adresses who to ask or something? I thought it would be helpful if I compile them. I need opener and I would like omniweb KAY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kay@ecrc.de (Kay Schulz) Subject: Re: Sources needed Message-ID: <CqzD6A.3ut@ecrc.de> Sender: news@ecrc.de Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre GmbH. References: <Cqz38w.Luu@ecrc.de> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 14:49:21 GMT Hi There I would also need the sources for the following files: ImageViewer an archie app The newest Informer.app If there is someone who knows the guys to mail to ask or if someone knows where they are, I would put them later on onto the server as binaries. So please help, this would help others, too KAY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kay@ecrc.de (Kay Schulz) Subject: Re: Sources needed Message-ID: <CqzD8M.3wH@ecrc.de> Sender: news@ecrc.de Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre GmbH. References: <Cqz38w.Luu@ecrc.de> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 14:50:45 GMT Is tickleservices a commercial product? If not, where are the sources? KAY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jura.demon.co.uk!haldane (Steve Sykes) Subject: Daydream NeXT->Apple hardware Message-ID: <Cqz80J.D0@jura.demon.co.uk> Keywords: Daydream Sender: haldane@jura.demon.co.uk (Steve Sykes) Organization: Jura Productions, London Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 12:57:54 GMT There was a posting a little while ago about a thing called Daydream that would turn my NeXT into a Mac. The contact address was quix@applelink.apple.com (Andy Grawehr). However, I have mailed this address and received no reply. Does anyone have an email address that works? Thanks Steve. -- Stephen D.Sykes _______| Have you __| NeXT | Classic FM haldane@jura.demon.co.uk | hugged your | mail __| London, U.K. +44 71 284 3000 (daytime) _-| radio today? _-| O.K. __| NW1 7DQ
From: kiwi@next2032.le.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 16:13:45 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <2svhvp$abi@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) writes: [...long explanation deleted...] First of all - thanks to Avie for giving some facts. > I'd be more than happy to read suggestions others have on improving how > swapfiles work. I can't guarantee we'll implement them, but you never know! I would like to have a facility to reserve some emergency space which can only be claimed by the processes which are necessary for systems operation on a low level. I don't know exactly how this could be done, but I would rather see my machine tell me that I'm running out of VM and asking if I would like to kill/quit some applications. If, for example, Workspace Manager loaded the Processes Monitor at startup and would be able to operate even if there is no _more_ memory available - I could still kill an application, even if nearly nothing else works anymore. Better than coming to a grinding halt, eh?!?! And also, we have disk quotas - how about memory quotas? -- Axel Habermann \\|// "Wenn Du kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (NO NeXT MAIL) )o o( nicht weisst kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (NeXT Mail) \ | / was Du tust, FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 \~/ mach's mit Eleganz!"
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 15:59:40 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2svh5c$2sj@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Finally, if you want to solve the growing swapfile problem, all you have >to do is get a small drive (say a used 105MB, which'll cost about $100 >w/o the case), and use it as a swapdisk. I now use a 250MB Seagate >(which came with my slab) as a swapdisk, and my system has been >noticably faster when paging. Mine, too. I recently turned my 200 MB internal into a swapdisk. I wish it were more straightforward to do this (if I didn't know how to read /etc/rc.swap, I would not have succeeded), because this is such a good idea. Basically, it turns your machine into the Sun that all of these people wish it were. Since I have a "spare" 200 MB drive, it makes sense to do this... But, I like the fact that NS gives you the flexibility to have the swapfile share the main drive if you don't have space to waste "just in cas you ever need it"... -- David Lemson University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 06:58:39 PDT Message-ID: <1994Jun06.135839.652@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CFP--OOPSLA '94 Workshop on OOT for Health Care and Medical Information Systems I've reposted the following message from comp.object, since it might be of interest to healthcare MCCA developers: From: mibrahim@rcsuna.gmr.com (Mamdouh Ibrahim ) Message-ID: <2su1tr$h46@rcsuna.gmr.com> Call For Participation OOPSLA '94 Workshop Object-Oriented Technology for Health Care and Medical Information Systems As the requirements for the new national health care system keep emerging, current health care and medical information systems must undergo major changes to meet these requirements. In addition to the need for changing these systems in a very short time, the new systems must be flexible and easily adaptable to changes. Using object-oriented technology could be the only possible way to address these demands and certainly will affect the extent to which new opportunities are realized. Goals and Focus: The purpose of this workshop is to explore the potential of using object-oriented technology in solving the problems facing existing health care and medical information systems. It will also serve as a vehicle to report on current and future efforts to develop innovative object-oriented applications in this area, and make recommendations to NIH as appropriate. Below are a number of specific areas that could benefit from object- oriented technology: Medical information systems - Electronic medical record - Clinical longitudinal database - Optical images of medical records - Integrated clinical communications - Clinical workstation - Support for declarative programming - Executive information systems - Community health network - Country patient index - Integrating heterogeneous medical databases - Security of object-oriented medical systems Health care information systems - Claim processing and EDI - Fraud detection - Customer service - Marketing health care products - Group enrollment and new business Requirements for Attendance: Interested participants are expected to have participated in the development of medical information systems or have knowledge of object-oriented technology and how it could be applied to health care systems. Participants are expected to be able to contribute to discussion on the nature and value of object-oriented technology for these systems. Potential participants are required to submit a position paper addressing the application of object-oriented technology to one or more of the above mentioned, or other related, topics . The position papers will be reviewed by the workshop committee and acceptance will be based on the relevance of the technical material and on the insight the papers provide on the workshop objectives. Important Dates: Deadline for submissions: August 1, 1994 Notification of acceptance or rejection: September 7, 1994 Organizers: Shail Arora, St. John Hospital and Medical Center, Mamdouh H. Ibrahim, EDS Object-Oriented and AI Services Bhavani Thuraisingham, The Mitre Corporation, T. C. Ting, University of Connecticut Submissions: Mamdouh H. Ibrahim EDS Object-Oriented and AI Services 5555 New King Street, Troy, MI 48098 Tel: (810) 696-7129 Fax:(810) 696-2325 E:mail: mhi@gmr.com or Bhavani Thuraisingham The Mitre Corporation 202 Burlington Road, Bedford, MA 01730
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:38:06 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Uhwpvy200iV8M45OQN@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun5.205510.3790@millennium.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? > > It's more complex than that--it's a major efficiency problem compacting a > > swapfile. If you'd like your programs to hang for minutes on end while > > NeXTSTEP is cleaning the swapfile up, and maybe add some fragmentation to > > your system while doing it, you're welcome to it. I prefer manual > > shrinking. > > Umm, who said anything about compacting? Why can't the OS just keep track > of the "holes" in the swapfile (holes created by processes that allocated > VM and have since disappeared)? When a process needs swap space, reuse the > holes rather than tacking more space onto the end of the swapfile. Umm, Jayson, that's exactly what the current behavior is. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:43:10 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Yhwq0iO00iV8M45Owi@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun5.233730.3993@millennium.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? > I don't think you quite understand the situation. SIGH. Jayson, the other readers and myself will probably be happier if we can avoid degrading this discussion into an argument. [ ..munch.. ] > Typing "exit" in the WindowServer won't make this problem go away, unless > you're very lucky. The real solution is that NEXTSTEP should be smart about > truncating and reclaiming space in the swap file. The WindowServer is a long running process that probably leaks core, albeit slowly. Restarting the WindowServer via "exit" is a very easy way to correct this and reclaim the space. No, it's not very elegant, but it does help, and it costs nothing. I think it's worth a lot more then what you pay for it. If you disagree, okay: go find your own solution. If you come up with something, I'd love to hear it, particularly if it's better then what we have now. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 14:09:22 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4hwqNGe00iV8E45PQX@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun5.204437.3714@millennium.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? > OK, so it's alright for NEXTSTEP to work this way because everyone else's > UNIX is worse? No. It's "alright for NEXTSTEP to work this way" because of reality. Follow closely: Mach has a page-based virtual memory system. This VM system must have a backing store to save pages being paged out. This backing store consists of one or more swapfiles. These swapfiles grow when necessary. If the system runs out of disk space, the swapfiles cannot grow. If the swapfiles cannot grow when they need to, bad things happen: ie, the system crashes. Do you understand? > > Finally, if you want to solve the growing swapfile problem, all you have > > to do is get a small drive (say a used 105MB, which'll cost about $100 > > w/o the case), and use it as a swapdisk. I now use a 250MB Seagate > > (which came with my slab) as a swapdisk, and my system has been > > noticably faster when paging. > > OK, please don't anyone in this group propose this as a solution again. > I've seen it suggested before and it's absurd. Getting more space to swap in solves the problem that people such as yourself are complaining about, namely, their systems crash when they run out of swap space. It costs money, agreed. It also is the best solution, IMHO. This is a tradeoff, and you are free to make your own decisions about whether it's worth it. However, any solution that works certainly is not "absurd". > You're telling me to outfit all of my machines with a second hard drive to > get around a bug in the operating system? No. I'm telling you that getting enough swap space will solve the problem in question. Getting a second drive for use as a swapdrive is the best mechanism for doing so. Simple fact. BTW, there is no "bug"; consult the post by Avie@NeXT.com for details. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun6.154923.18685@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2su2ri$4nv@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 15:49:23 GMT [ swapfile discussion deleted... there's more than enough data out there now to make the point I was trying to make ] In article <2su2ri$4nv@hamblin.math.byu.edu> sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: >Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: > sean wrote: > >: >Claiming that swap partitions are better than swapfiles for memory management >: >is ludicrous. > >: Go back and read what I wrote. I said that swapping on a partition >: is a feature. I then said that NS only allows you to swap on >: a file. Now, seeing as some of us actually like "speed", and >: consider it a good thing when OSs give us speed, I don't >: consider swapping to a partition to be a bad thing. It's >: an option, which I would like to invoke on occasion. Never did >: I say that one was preferrable to another. Try reading what >: I wrote before telling me what I said. > >You said 1) There's a problem with the swapfile growing, and 2) NeXT should >supply partitioning. There's enough implication here. If partitioning gives us speed, and other OSs can do it, then NeXT should give it to us as an option. That is what I said. You turned around and said I was claiming that partitions were plain-old-better than files. I never made this claim. If you want to read what I write then invent things in your head, I can't stop you. Whaty I claim is that having 2 options is better than having one. *And* there is a problem with the swapfile growing. Our Sun chugs along merrily with 16M of swap. Why do the NeXT's require so much more? Maybe the WindowServer should be killed on each logout? That could possibly help... >: As far as I know, this is swapping to a disk, and not a partition. >: If you can dedicate a partition to swapping on a disk, while >: using the other partitions for data, then someone should >: tell us how to do it. Otherwise, allocating an entire disk >: for swapping is the most inflexible configuration you can get. > >On most OSes, a "disk" == a "partition". For example, in SCO, you create >partitions with fdisk, then assign each its own disk label, raw device, and >file system. Why would the same not be the case for NS? (I'm not saying it >isn't--I haven't looked into it. I'm just asking people in the know...) If you look at the NeXT rc files, you can see that they make a couple directories on the "swapdisk". One for the swpafile, and a tmp directory. This isn't raw partition-based swapping, as far as I can tell, but I won't make a claim here because I don't know. I can only say that this is what it looks like: # We have a swap disk, set things up to use it. if [ $useswap -eq 1 ]; then # Mount the swapdisk on /private/swapdisk fbshow -B -I "Mounting swapdisk" -z 21 /usr/etc/mount -o rw,noquota,noauto /dev/${SWAPDEV} /private/swapdisk \ >/dev/console 2>&1 # Set up swapping on it. We need the SWAPDIR and the SWAPFILE. # If we make the file anew, we turn on its sticky bit, and ensure # that only root can read it. if [ ! -d $NEWSWAPDIR ]; then (echo "Creating vm directory on swapdisk") >/dev/console mkdir $NEWSWAPDIR chmod 755 $NEWSWAPDIR fi if [ ! -f $NEWSWAPFILE ]; then (echo "Creating swapfile on swapdisk") >/dev/console touch $NEWSWAPFILE chmod 1600 $NEWSWAPFILE fi # Turn on paging to the swapdisk. Note the high water mark (hiwat): # this helps ensure the swapdisk doesn't get full. /usr/etc/mach_swapon -v -o prefer,lowat=16777216,hiwat=31457280 \ $NEWSWAPFILE >/dev/console 2>&1 # Make sure there is a tmp directory. Note the sticky bit, which # is critical for security. if [ ! -d /private/swapdisk/tmp ]; then (echo "Creating tmp directory on swapdisk") >/dev/console mkdir /private/swapdisk/tmp chmod 1777 /private/swapdisk/tmp fi # Point /private/tmp to the swapdisk's tmp directory. We assume # that if /private/tmp is a symlink, then either it references # the swapdisk already or the user who modified it knew what # he or she was doing. if [ ! -h /private/tmp ]; then (echo "Linking /private/tmp to /private/swapdisk/tmp") \ >/dev/console rm -rf /private/tmp (cd /private; ln -s swapdisk/tmp) fi .... Anyway, Jason Adams made the best point of the discussion. NeXT is supposed to be the company that rethinks things, and does them better. I think that the swapfile situation should be rethought and done better. You're happy with it the way it is. Our disagreement is as simple as that. - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: magnan@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA (Magnan Francois) Subject: DOOM for Black? Message-ID: <MAGNAN.94Jun6143017@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA> Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 18:30:17 GMT Is there a version of Doom compiled for Black Hardware? Thank you, Francois Magnan -- **************************************************** ** Francois Magnan : magnan@mathcn.umontreal.ca ** ** Dept. Mathematiques, Universite de Montreal ** ****************************************************
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 19:32:24 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2svtk9$1l1@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: > >I've run NeXTSTEP on an 8-meg machine with a 20-meg swapfile (mostly > >compiling and writing), and had to reboot it once in 4 months, > >because a program I wrote (forking) got out of hand. > > > >Your mileage may vary, but claiming the machine will crash because > >the swapfile doesn't shrink is...indefensible. :-) > > 1) swap file does not shrink > 2) normal operation (I'm a developer) makes my swapfile grow > 3) disk is finite > > Sooner or later you get the familiar old vm error on the console. Note that Sean stated, as fact, that he had to reboot his machine once in four months. Of your list, 1 is not strictly true. The swap file may indeed shrink at times. I've seen it happen on my machines, running NS-3.2. It doesn't happen often, but it happens. Number 2 is true, up to a point. My experience is that the swapfile grows to a certain size and then stays there. I have two machines, one of which went 154 days before it crashed (due to a system panic, due to someone on the machine testing out a program "off the net"). The other one was closing in on 100 days when I had to turn it off due to a scheduled power outage on campus here. Once a machine gets to the point that the operating system is more reliable than the supply of power, I think it's doing fairly well. Both these systems see constant use. There's me at the console, doing whatever it is I do, and there's between two and eight other users who are telnetting into the machine. Most of us are doing development of one sort or another (and thus the panic noted above), although I'm obviously the only one doing interface- builder type of development...). These are not lightly used systems which are only sitting in Edit all day long. > Now, if you did compiles on an 8 Meg machine consistenly, > and didn't grow the swapfile, then you must me magic. > Just logging in on an 8Meg machine makes the machine swap. The system I'm on right now has 48meg of RAM, and the swap file is at 64meg. That's my low-water mark for the swapfile. As I say, this is not a "lightly used system". This might seem excessive, but there are times when I'm playing around with photo CD's. You simply can not work with 32-bit color images that are 3072 pixels by 2048 pixels unless you have lots of memory (both RAM and swap space), particularly if you have people telnetting into your machine at the same time. Now, such spare room might be too expensive an option for many users. However, the fact remains that the swapfile does not grow endlessly. It perhaps grows larger than it should grow, and it wouldn't surprise me much if there's something there which needs fixing. > This machine has 32M of RAM, and is used for the occasional > compile, as well as using Improv. > > total 48050 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 Jun 2 19:25 ./ > drwxrwxr-x 11 root 1024 Oct 22 1993 ../ > -rw------t 1 root 22364160 Jun 3 19:08 swapfile > -rw------t 1 root 26820608 Jun 3 19:08 swapfile.front The rule of thumb that is used by the Sun-happy people around here is "You must have at least twice as much room for swap area as you have in RAM". Meanwhile, you have 32meg of RAM backed up by less than 22meg of swapspace -- and you're *complaining*? If you were to go with the "superior" technology for this, you'd be tying up 64meg of disk space. And if you think that's excessive, then consider: What *is* the purpose of swap space? It's so you can use more virtual memory than you have in real####################################################################
#################################################################### From: Rick.Reynolds@3DO.com (Rick Reynolds) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Daydream NeXT->Apple hardware Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 7 Jun 1994 03:21:30 GMT Organization: The 3DO Company Distribution: world Message-ID: <Rick.Reynolds-060694201951@rr.3do.com> References: <Cqz80J.D0@jura.demon.co.uk> In article <Cqz80J.D0@jura.demon.co.uk>, jura.demon.co.uk!haldane (Steve Sykes) wrote: > There was a posting a little while ago about a thing called Daydream that > would turn my NeXT into a Mac. The contact address was > quix@applelink.apple.com (Andy Grawehr). However, I have mailed this > address and received no reply. > > Does anyone have an email address that works? > That is the right address, but he may be hard to reach right now as he is traveling in the US. He will be at Expo if that helps. FWIW: I like daydream. It works like a charm. -- Rick Reynolds The 3DO Company Rick.Reynolds@3DO.com ***My remarks do not necessarily reflect the opinions of my employer.***
From: ccwf@ludwig.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 7 Jun 1994 03:56:00 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2t0r4g$lip@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <1994Jun5.202154.20681@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2sub05$mbu@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> In article <2sub05$mbu@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, >The swaptimizer compresses all VM pages before they are written to >disk, which reduces overall disk I/O involved with swapping, and >reduces the real amount of disk required to store swap space. Isn't this an FAQ by now? Just feel compelled to point out that the swaptimizer is like MNP compression, i.e., it's fast and works well for most but not all cases. Generally, a large portion of memory paged out is video memory and is thus often just large expanses of light gray. The swaptimizer compresses this type of data very fast and well. However, if you are displaying photorealistic images or are running certain database queries or generally dealing with not easily compressible data, the swapfile can be substantially larger than swapfile.front. And, unfortunately, if you use the swaptimizer, you can't set low and high watermarks for how much actual disk space is used by the swapfile. -ccwf
From: furufuru@ccsr.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Furue Ryo) Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LaTeX/Postscript fonts for linguistic (IPA) symbols? Date: 07 Jun 94 04:31:58 GMT Organization: Center for Climate System Research, Univ. Tokyo, Japan. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <FURUFURU.94Jun7133158@kongming.ccsr.u-tokyo.ac.jp> References: <CqzAsq.Fs@das.harvard.edu> In-reply-to: kochhar@endor.harvard.edu's message of 06 Jun 94 22:58:01 JST In article <CqzAsq.Fs@das.harvard.edu> kochhar@endor.harvard.edu (Sandeep Kochhar) writes: | hi! | While the LaTeX book by Leslie Lamport does list a lot of | mathematical and accented symbols, it still is missing a lot | of symbols used by linguists (including the International Phonetic | Association or IPA symbols)... | Does anyone know if these are available at all in TeX/LaTeX already, | or are they available in font libraries (postscript?) that can be | used with LaTeX? I'm also much interested in phonetic symbols for LaTeX. So... | Please reply via email if possible, since I don't frequently read | this group.... ...please also post the reply. Thanks, Ryo FURUE
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: remote NeXTMail Message-ID: <1994Jun7.044459.6803@pcp.ca> Keywords: mail, remote Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 04:44:59 GMT Hello there: What's the easiest way to receive NeXTMail if I'm on the road? I often take extensive trips from Canada to the US and during that time, I can't reach my mail because my uucp link (via UUNET) is hooked to my desk machine. Is there an easy way of routing my mail from my desk machine to a NeXTSTEP portable? Is there a cheap portable out there than can run NS for the sake of reading NeXTMail? Please e-mail me and I'll summarize if there's any interest. Thanks, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca alex@oolesson.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun7.022651.19097@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <Yhwq0iO00iV8M45Owi@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 02:26:51 GMT In article <Yhwq0iO00iV8M45Owi@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > >If you disagree, okay: go find your own solution. What about installing a program as the logout hook which will kill the window server? Does the logout hook get called as the *very last* thing before going bye-bye? If not, we're screwed... (don't want to sleep a bit first, because someone could be logging in when we do the kill). This sounds like it could be a stop-gap measure. Comments? - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun7.055851.5422@millennium.com> Keywords: Jayson Adams@??? Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <Yhwq0iO00iV8M45Owi@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 05:58:51 GMT In article <Yhwq0iO00iV8M45Owi@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS > require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? > > I don't think you quite understand the situation. > > SIGH. > > Jayson, the other readers and myself will probably be happier if we can > avoid degrading this discussion into an argument. > > > [ ..munch.. ] > > > Typing "exit" in the WindowServer won't make this problem go away, unless > > you're very lucky. The real solution is that NEXTSTEP should be smart about > > truncating and reclaiming space in the swap file. > > The WindowServer is a long running process that probably leaks core, > albeit slowly. Restarting the WindowServer via "exit" is a very easy > way to correct this and reclaim the space. No, it's not very elegant, > but it does help, and it costs nothing. I think it's worth a lot more > then what you pay for it. > Sigh. You might want to read (reread?) Avie's post so that you understand why this usually won't work. Besides, who said anything about the window server. Most of the machines around here run headless. __jayson
#################################################################### From: t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <2863@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 7 Jun 94 08:48:14 GMT References: <Yhwq0iO00iV8M45Owi@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun7.055851.5422@millennium.com> Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). To come back to the orginal title, I think the OO part also increases memory consumption. In the Good Old Unix Days, your typical filter worked on the 1kB in, 1kB out principle. Now, you load the entire object (in my case, 40M sound file) in memory. This costs nothing, the file is promoted to its own swap. You change a bit and hit the [save] button. Suddenly, VM grows by 40MB, and if you are unlucky and the old file gets deleted by the software _after_ the new file is written, disk usage goes up by 40MB. Oh boy, does one feel caught when both hit each other before they are finished, and the original file is deleted anyway... Secondly, a pop-up panel with: 'VM almost exhausted, please kill a process' (cf. Sun: 'no more memory') instead of an eart-shattering KABOOM would be nice. Geert Jan van Oldenborgh
From: kaoki@ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Kenichiro Aoki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 7 Jun 94 17:59:54 Organization: Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics, Kyoto, Japan. Message-ID: <KAOKI.94Jun7175954@ps2.ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp> References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> In-reply-to: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca's message of Sun, 5 Jun 1994 19:22:24 GMT >>>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 1994 19:22:24 GMT, samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) said: [... munch ...] Darcy> Now, if you did compiles on an 8 Meg machine consistenly, Darcy> and didn't grow the swapfile, then you must me magic. Darcy> Just logging in on an 8Meg machine makes the machine Darcy> swap. just trying to understand you here, but this doesnt mean that the swapfile will grow, does it? I worked on one of these guys also and yes, you are right, with 8mb, you are already swapping even as you log in. even on greyscale. However, unless the memory is leaking, the swapfile space gets recycled so it doesn't necessarily grow. [...] Darcy> drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 May 31 12:40 ./ Darcy> drwxrwxr-x 12 root 1024 Oct 21 1993 ../ Darcy> -rw------t 1 root 16777216 Jun 2 16:41 swapfile Darcy> -rw------t 1 root 11812864 Jun 2 16:41 swapfile.front Darcy> This is real data. I think it's insane that machines that Darcy> are not stressed in any way (unless you consider a single Darcy> user running a compiler and/or a spreadsheet) to have Darcy> such large swapfiles (there's nobody logged in at the Darcy> console at the moment as well). If the machines didn't Darcy> have big disks, then they'd be toast. ??? I lost you here completely. The swapfile is at lowat of 16mb. This is set at boot time. You can note that swapfile.front which is the virtual swapspace (so to speak) which is uncompressed is **smaller** than the swapfile. This strongly suggests that this machine has never used more than the VM that was *allocated at the boot time*. Did you read the manuals and check /etc/swaptab? [...] >: I have a better solution: have NeXT fix the bug. > >It's more complex than that--it's a major efficiency problem compacting a >swapfile. If you'd like your programs to hang for minutes on end while >NeXTSTEP is cleaning the swapfile up, and maybe add some fragmentation to your >system while doing it, you're welcome to it. I prefer manual shrinking. Darcy> "manual shrinking"? Does that refer to "rebooting"? Darcy> I simply think that those people at NeXT using their OO technology, Darcy> and leveraging this amazing development environment can come Darcy> up with something better. I don't think that their best effort Darcy> could possibly be "all your programs hangingfor minutes". Darcy> If you're quite happy with NEXTSTEP the way it is, then you're Darcy> welcome to it. I happen to think that it can be improved. The Darcy> swapfile thing is just something that they don't want to Darcy> put time into, because Steve can't demo it on IB. Darcy> It's pretty simple. I have very finite disk space and am running NS3.2 on color turbo with 16mb ram. I certainly would really appreciate if the swapfile will shrink. On the other hand, if this problem was so simple, I am sure ALL OS's will ship with dynamic swapfiles. It's just better to have that option. Currently, I know of no other mainstream OS's that support this option. (Well, NS is not mainstream either :-) I think more information will be very welcome. This is pretty low level stuff and common to unix kernels. There must be theories and books on this subject; I wish if someone can tell us what the established mechanism for shrinking swapspace robustly and efficently. I hear the same complaints over and over, but very little new information seems to be added, if any. I think we could be more constructive and more convincing. -- Kenichiro Aoki (ken@phys.titech.ac.jp), Department of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Oh-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo, JAPAN ... posting from kyoto....
From: kaoki@ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Kenichiro Aoki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 7 Jun 94 18:21:51 Organization: Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics, Kyoto, Japan. Message-ID: <KAOKI.94Jun7182151@ps2.ps1.yukawa.kyoto-u.ac.jp> References: <1994Jun5.202154.20681@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> In-reply-to: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca's message of Sun, 5 Jun 1994 20:21:54 GMT >>>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 1994 20:21:54 GMT, samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) said: Darcy> More data (since I forgot some in the previous post)... all Darcy> machines here have 32M RAM. I don't know the exact mechanism Darcy> behind the swapfile.front stuff. I do know that it is Darcy> a mount of type 'swapfs' of the swapfile. There appears to be some Darcy> handwaving, so I won't rule out that somehow the size for the Darcy> swapfile.front isn't real... this is for someone that knows Swapfile.front is not real, so to speak. when you use swapfile compression, the actu####################################################################
#################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: ** MOSAIC for NeXT ** Message-ID: <1994Jun7.093657.305@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <CqzrGy.L2I@cbnewse.cb.att.com> <Cr09tD.Buq@news.cis.umn.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:36:57 GMT In article <Cr09tD.Buq@news.cis.umn.edu> klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu writes: > >try Omniweb.app at ftp.omnigroup.com > >It's only a beta, but in many ways superior to Mosaic and you don't need >XWindows to run it. (Mosaic is an X App) I've never used Mosaic - in what ways is OmniWeb superior? (No offence to the Omni people - it's still beta after all - but that means Mosaic can't actually do very much). Can Mosaic be used for creating HTML documents BTW? Dave Griffiths
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:44:40 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Mhx7b8y00iUxE1VeBW@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun7.022651.19097@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 7-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Darcy BROCKBANK@cs.mcgil > In article <Yhwq0iO00iV8M45Owi@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger > <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > > > >If you disagree, okay: go find your own solution. > > What about installing a program as the logout hook which will > kill the window server? Does the logout hook get called > as the *very last* thing before going bye-bye? If not, > we're screwed... (don't want to sleep a bit first, > because someone could be logging in when we do the kill). That actually sounds like a pretty cool idea. It's actually what people using X-Windows have happen to them, generally. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Defragging the swapfile Date: 7 Jun 1994 14:13:21 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2t1va1$qqr@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <2sva4s$cna@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <Cr07pn.AE@dsinc!flash> flash!jon@myxa.com writes: >In article <2sva4s$cna@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca >(Deborah Howland) writes: >As another suggestion, how about putting something in so that the Windowserver >"exits" automatically in the wee hours if nobody's logged in? Unless this would >have some dire consequences I'm not aware of, it could at least free up some >of the swapfile if the WindowServer has some pages at the end of it. >It wouldn't be as drastic as rebooting, but would restart one of the largest >and longest-running processes without being really disruptive. Hmm. My system has been up this long: 8:02am up 2 days, 23:45, 2 users, load average: 0.56, 0.25, 0.18 Here are my top few processes right now, in terms of VSIZE, as shown by ps: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND royce 183 1.5 14.8 21.9M 2.95M ? S 69:01 - console (WindowServer) root 0 0.0 12.8 17.0M 2.56M ? R N 67hr (kernel idle) root 188 0.0 13.3 11.1M 2.66M ? SWN 2:16 /usr/local/sybase/bin/datas root 22 0.0 1.8 6.66M 376K ? S 0:05 (nmserver) royce 1513 0.0 7.3 5.98M 1.47M ? SWN 0:01 /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail -NX royce 1511 0.0 10.6 5.57M 2.12M ? SW 0:04 /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace royce 1512 0.0 6.7 5.27M 1.34M ? S 0:00 /NextApps/Preferences.app/P root 153 0.0 2.5 5.02M 520K ? S 22:41 /usr/lib/NextPrinter/FaxDae royce 1515 0.0 12.1 4.91M 2.43M co S 0:10 /LocalApps/Cables.app/Cable root 1510 0.0 7.7 4.88M 1.53M ? S 0:01 /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace root 1514 1.3 7.6 4.39M 1.52M ? S 0:01 /NextApps/Terminal.app/Term root 184 0.0 6.6 4.02M 1.33M ? SW 10:28 - console (loginwindow) root 168 0.0 3.6 3.67M 736K ? SWN 0:00 /usr/lib/NextPrinter/npd root 154 0.0 2.3 3.62M 464K ? S 0:00 Faxxess splunge_fax root 3 0.0 1.4 3.42M 280K ? S 0:02 /usr/etc/kern_loader -n root 1516 0.0 1.8 3.13M 360K co S 0:01 [link-server] Excluding my Sybase instance and the kernel itself, the WindowServer process is the largest consumer of swap by a long shot. In fact, it may be even larger, relatively, than is apparent from the top apps shown (Mail.app, Workspace.app, Preferences.app, etc.), since some of their VM is shared libraries and such, which would be common to all apps. I would assume that virtually none of the WindowServer would be shared libraries. (One mystery is why the nmserver is sitting there with 6.66M of VM...) My question, then, is how big does the WindowServer get after heavy activity (I've never paid it any attention, really), and how much could you reclaim by periodic restarts? Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 7 Jun 1994 14:18:39 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2t1vjv$gfm@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <1994Jun5.202154.20681@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2sub05$mbu@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <2t0r4g$lip@gap.cco.caltech.edu> ccwf@ludwig.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) writes: >In article <2sub05$mbu@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, >>The swaptimizer compresses all VM pages before they are written to >>disk, which reduces overall disk I/O involved with swapping, and >>reduces the real amount of disk required to store swap space. >Isn't this an FAQ by now? >Just feel compelled to point out that the swaptimizer is like MNP >compression, i.e., it's fast and works well for most but not all >cases. >Generally, a large portion of memory paged out is video memory and is >thus often just large expanses of light gray. The swaptimizer >compresses this type of data very fast and well. >However, if you are displaying photorealistic images or are running >certain database queries or generally dealing with not easily >compressible data, the swapfile can be substantially larger than >swapfile.front. And, unfortunately, if you use the swaptimizer, you >can't set low and high watermarks for how much actual disk space is >used by the swapfile. Hmm, I had never considered this circumstance. I guess I thought the swaptimizer would be smart enough not to compress things if it made a page larger. As for the lowat/hiwat comment, are you saying then that those parameters no longer work, or that they apply to the virtual swapfile.front, or what? Anyway, lowat certainly works to some extent, since my swapfile gets truncated back to 20MB, my lowat, with every reboot. Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ebarker@world.std.com (Ed Barker) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <Cr16o7.JJp@world.std.com> Keywords: Jayson Adams@??? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <Yhwq0iO00iV8M45Owi@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun7.055851.5422@millennium.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:24:07 GMT Well for my money, the fact that NS/I can't access the DOS partition of a DISK if it's greater than 32 Meg is much more inhibitive and frankly embarasing to me as a NextStep advocate. ca
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:07:05 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <chx7w9G00iUx01VfYt@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun6.230024.5152@millennium.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 6-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? > No duh. The issue was does the OS reclaim swapfile space that's no longer > being used. The answer to "does the OS reclaim swapfile space that is no longer being used?" is "Yes." Since you seem to be having problems following this, and have been accusing NeXT's OS of having bugs when it does not, as in: > That, and having to reboot your machine because the damn OS doesn't > reclaim swap space. I thought that explaining the basics might help you understand. My mistake. > > Getting more space to swap in solves the problem that people such as > > yourself are complaining about, namely, their systems crash when they > > run out of swap space. > > > > It costs money, agreed. It also is the best solution, IMHO. This is a > > tradeoff, and you are free to make your own decisions about whether it's > > worth it. However, any solution that works certainly is not "absurd". > > Really? I could try stuffing my machine with 128MB of RAM. That's a > solution that works, but it's (also) absurd. "I don't think that word means what you think it means." Any chance that you're Sicilian, Jayson? :-) I know of a fair number of machines with 128MB of RAM. For some circumstances, that amount of memory is perfectly reasonable. However, a 105MB drive costs about $200, and 128MB RAM costs about $4000. A cost ratio of 20 implies that the 105 is a much more cost efficient solution then getting 128MB of RAM. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: mleggott@sandnc.stfx.ca (Mark Leggott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tektronix or vt240 emulation Date: 7 Jun 1994 11:55:19 -0300 Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network Sender: news@nstn.ns.ca Message-ID: <2t21on$saq@owl.nstn.ns.ca> Keywords: tektronix vt240 I am looking for a NeXT app that will give me Tektronix and/or vt240 terminal emulation. I have seen the Communicae demo, but would like to try and find something free/cheaper as I only need it temporarily for a visting researcher. Can I use C-Kermit? I know the DOS version supports terminal type TEK. Any suggestions would be appreciated. ================================================================ *** Information Technology in the Hands of Many Is a Powerful Enabling Tool Information Technology in the Hands of Few Is a Powerful Weapon *** Mark Leggott, Cybrarian / NeXT Administrator / Systems Librarian Angus L. MacDonald Library, St. Francis Xavier University P.O. Box 5000, Antigonish, Nova Scotia, B2G 2W5 Canada Voice 902-867-2168 FAX 902-867-5153 mleggott@sandnc.stfx.ca ================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <Cr0zz8.7uu@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <1994Jun5.221433.24748@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 11:59:36 GMT I hope everyone read Avadis Tevanian's post, becuase I'm buchering it below so that this long post doesn't have to be even longer. If you haven't read his post, you probably shouldn't read this one, because it assumes the reader is familiar with the issues. In article <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) writes: [...] >Having said all of this, why do so many people seem to have problems >with their swapfiles? Here are some possible explanations: > >1) Not everyone realizes just how much memory their apps use. [...] > >2) Programs occasionally have memory leaks. We work hard to be sure that the >software we release does not have leaks. There's a reason we developed >MallocDebug! I think we do pretty well, but I'm sure there are some bugs. For >example, the Windowserver, with it's printer heritage, has long had problems >with correctly managing its memory. On the printers they just "reset" the >memory heap for each new job --- we can't do that. If/when the Windowserver >leaks we get a double whammy since not only do we leak a small amount of >memory, but the Windowserver is a long running process and tends to hog those >high numbered pages. I think NEXTSTEP ISV's generally do a good job too, but >it only takes one or two apps to leak memory and cause problems. [...] > >3) As many of you know, Mach has a quite advanced virtual memory scheme, [...] >The situations when this happens are fairly rare, and worse case >the memory is freed when the process exits, but it wouldn't surprise me if this >is the cause of isolated problems. With one exception, these three explanations do not very well explain the problem that some people are seeing. Take Josh Burton's logs as an example. If the VM system is working properly, then either there is a *serious* memory leak in a program that normally runs the entire time the system is up, or Josh just happens to schedule his VM intensive tasks such that the amount of total VM that he is going to use at any given time is proportional to the amount of time his system has been up. For #1 to apply above, that would mean Josh is inadvertantly doing things like opening more windows at a time two days after his machine has been up than he does one day, etc. For #3 to apply above, the programs that Josh regularly uses have to be kept running the entire time his machine is up. Apparently Josh runs something between 6:30pm and 9:30pm that consumes a fair amount of swap space. If that is the same process that is running from day to day, there could be a memory leak in the process. I can't speak for Josh, but I can speak for myself. When I only had 8 Mb RAM, I experienced the same thing that Josh documents, and it appears that several other people on the net have experienced something similar. *I* logged out between sessions, so even if there were leaks in the applications that I ran, or advanced virtualy memory scheme's biting me, the swap file still wouldn't need to increase like it did. Now, the one exception is of course the Window Server. If the Window Server leaks, then the average Josephine and Joe is screwed. However, the informed Joey and Josephette know that "exit" as a login name will restart the Window Server. My experience was that *did* help *some* but the problem was still there. "ps awwxl" showed that there was *not* a memory leaking hidden process chewing up my space. Now the real interesting thing is that now that I have 20 Mb, in general, I'm seeing the problem *much* less than usual. If swap space really was being properly reused, then one would think that except for performance problems, an 8 Mb system would behave the same as a 20 Mb system, except for 12 additional Mb of swap space. But back when I had 8 Mb RAM, the problem *wasn't* that my swap space would grow 12 Mb quickly and then behave the same as my current 20 Mb RAM machine does, the problem was *much* worse, which to me, suggests that there is a leak in the VM subsystem. My reasoning is that with an 8 Mb RAM system, I did a lot more paging than I do with a 20 Mb RAM system. If there's some little bug somewhere in the VM subsystem that can occasionally irretrievably (at least until reboot time) lose a page of swap space, then you'd wind up with *exactly* the same symptoms that I have seen and I believe other people are reporting. >I personally think the Mach swapfile solution is quite good. I'm obviously >biased though. Sure, there are a few things I think could be improved, but >that's true of any piece of software. Overall I think we've made some >reasonable trade-offs. I also think swapfile management is fairly bug-free. The swapfile management can be *very* bug-free and do quite well when you have enough memory so that you're not constantly paging, and still have a very small bug to cause just the type of problems that people are complaining about if the people who are seeing the problem are paging very frequently and the people who aren't seeing the problem are paging infrequently. If there's been no swap space reclaimation bug fixes in 3.2, I would bet that what I describe is happening, just based on my own experience. However, I am trying to get things done over here, instead of being the good scientist. So by increasing my memory the same time that I upgraded to NS 3.2, I sinned and changed two variables at once. >We know we can improve the situation is (3) above (but it is difficult). >Certainly if anyone has any other possible reasons for swapfile growth, >especially with concrete examples of programs, let us know so we can >investigate! How about a tool that will dump tons of the OS data structures so that we can verify ourselves that there are not any unused holes in the swap space. Such a tool would give the people who suspect that there's a bug a chance to conclusively demonstrate it. If, after such a tool was released, there were no documented cases of swap file leakage, then the doubters should eat crow, although it would probably be nutritious crow, since the data that such a tool would reveal would be beneficial for pointing out exactly what is happening. --Cliff [Josh's post is reproduced below. I have included the entire thing because Josh was arguing that the growing VM file isn't a big deal and I'm arguing the opposite, so I didn't want to make it look like Josh was agreeing with me] From: burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 01:57:25 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 266 Message-ID: <2stvq5$f2i@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <1994Jun5.222657.25259@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Reply-To: burton@het.brown.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: tonto-slip7.cis.brown.edu Just for what it's worth...I write my swapfile size to a logfile in /usr/local/adm every three hours from cron (at the same time I'm rebuilding the 'find' hashtable and similar bookkeeping). The swapfile DOES in fact shrink now and then, just not very well. NeXTcube mono, still running 2.1, 24 MB physical memory, infinite disk space (a 1.7 GB drive now 52% full): At 00:29:07 on May 6, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 03:29:45 on May 6, swapfile was 36839424 bytes long. At 06:29:33 on May 6, swapfile was 38207488 bytes long. At 09:29:46 on May 6, swapfile was 38207488 bytes long. At 12:29:41 on May 6, swapfile was 38207488 bytes long. At 15:29:24 on May 6, swapfile was 38207488 bytes long. <reboot> At 18:28:27 on May 6, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 21:29:16 on May 6, swapfile was 31236096 bytes long. At 00:29:55 on May 7, swapfile was 31236096 bytes long. At 03:29:15 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 06:29:22 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 09:29:18 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 12:29:19 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 15:29:16 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 18:27:40 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 21:28:57 on May 7, swapfile was 34783232 bytes long. At 00:28:58 on May 8, swapfile was 34783232 bytes long. At 03:28:56 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 06:29:11 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 09:28:59 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 12:28:07 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 15:28:15 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 18:28:32 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 21:28:03 on May 8, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 00:27:47 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 03:29:03 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 06:29:06 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 09:28:59 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 12:29:00 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 15:29:03 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 18:27:54 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 21:29:01 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 00:28:59 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 03:29:05 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 06:29:02 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 09:29:02 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 12:28:59 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 15:29:01 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 18:34:35 on May 10, swapfile was 46374912 bytes long. At 21:29:09 on May 10, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 00:28:18 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 03:29:09 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 06:29:03 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 09:29:00 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 12:28:59 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 15:28:43 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 18:29:17 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 21:29:08 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 00:29:55 on May 12, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. <reboot> At 03:29:04 on May 12, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 06:29:05 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 09:29:12 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 12:29:14 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 15:29:04 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 18:29:04 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 21:27:31 on May 12, swapfile was 39911424 bytes long. At 00:28:32 on May 13, swapfile was 39911424 bytes long. At 03:27:36 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 06:29:06 on May 13, swapfile was 40321024 bytes long. At 09:29:00 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 12:29:01 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 15:28:12 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 18:29:01 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 21:29:08 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 00:27:53 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 03:29:03 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 06:29:16 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 09:29:05 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 12:29:01 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 15:27:44 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 18:31:12 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 21:27:32 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 00:28:13 on May 15, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 03:29:00 on May 15, swapfile was 44621824 bytes long. At 06:29:02 on May 15, swapfile was 44621824 bytes long. At 09:28:57 on May 15, swapfile was 44621824 bytes long. <reboot> At 12:29:11 on May 15, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 15:28:59 on May 15, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 18:25:43 on May 15, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 21:26:58 on May 15, swapfile was 40099840 bytes long. At 00:26:20 on May 16, swapfile was 40099840 bytes long. At 03:27:57 on May 16, swapfile was 34103296 bytes long. At 06:29:06 on May 16, swapfile was 34103296 bytes long. At 09:32:11 on May 16, swapfile was 34103296 bytes long. At 12:29:03 on May 16, swapfile was 34103296 bytes long. <reboot> At 15:28:34 on May 16, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 18:28:11 on May 16, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 21:28:07 on May 16, swapfile was 36323328 bytes long. At 00:28:58 on May 17, swapfile was 36323328 bytes long. At 03:29:02 on May 17, swapfile was 39165952 bytes long. At 06:29:00 on May 17, swapfile was 39247872 bytes long. At 09:29:00 on May 17, swapfile was 39247872 bytes long. At 12:29:01 on May 17, swapfile was 39247872 bytes long. At 15:28:45 on May 17, swapfile was 36069376 bytes long. At 18:29:12 on May 17, swapfile was 54878208 bytes long. At 21:28:20 on May 17, swapfile was 72531968 bytes long. At 00:28:58 on May 18, swapfile was 72531968 bytes long. At 03:28:40 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 06:29:03 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 09:28:58 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 12:29:05 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 15:28:04 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 18:29:06 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 21:29:03 on May 18, swapfile was 83025920 bytes long. At 00:27:58 on May 19, swapfile was 82411520 bytes long. At 03:27:33 on May 19, swapfile was 82411520 bytes long. At 06:29:04 on May 19, swapfile was 82411520 bytes long. At 09:29:14 on May 19, swapfile was 82411520 bytes long. <reboot> At 12:28:37 on May 19, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 15:29:10 on May 19, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 18:29:10 on May 19, swapfile was 21757952 bytes long. At 21:29:11 on May 19, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 00:28:59 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 03:29:14 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 06:29:03 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 09:29:02 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 12:29:07 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 15:28:47 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 18:28:28 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 21:29:23 on May 20, swapfile was 48627712 bytes long. At 00:28:39 on May 21, swapfile was 48627712 bytes long. At 03:29:09 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 06:29:07 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 09:28:59 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 12:28:20 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 15:27:44 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 18:29:01 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 21:27:58 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 00:37:28 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 03:29:07 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 06:28:58 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 09:29:03 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 12:28:42 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 15:29:05 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 18:27:37 on May 22, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 21:29:04 on May 22, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 00:27:46 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 03:29:06 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 06:29:05 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 09:29:02 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 12:29:03 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 15:30:12 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. <reboot> At 18:29:09 on May 23, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 21:29:05 on May 23, swapfile was 43491328 bytes long. At 00:27:49 on May 24, swapfile was 43491328 bytes long. At 03:29:05 on May 24, swapfile was 44204032 bytes long. At 06:29:07 on May 24, swapfile was 44204032 bytes long. At 09:27:34 on May 24, swapfile was 44204032 bytes long. At 12:29:06 on May 24, swapfile was 44204032 bytes long. At 15:25:09 on May 24, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 18:38:03 on May 24, swapfile was 24461312 bytes long. At 21:30:03 on May 24, swapfile was 43630592 bytes long. <reboot> At 03:26:19 on May 30, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 06:26:20 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 09:26:20 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 12:26:32 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 15:30:30 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 18:29:04 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 21:28:58 on May 30, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 00:29:30 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 03:29:15 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 06:29:23 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 09:28:00 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 12:28:48 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 15:29:26 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 18:28:57 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 21:31:46 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 00:28:09 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 03:29:30 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 06:29:16 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 09:29:36 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 12:30:31 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 15:29:07 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 18:29:22 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 21:29:33 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 00:29:48 on Jun 2, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 03:29:37 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 06:29:35 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 09:29:29 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 12:29:24 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 15:31:03 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 18:29:47 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 21:28:14 on Jun 2, swapfile was 53329920 bytes long. At 00:29:49 on Jun 3, swapfile was 49184768 bytes long. <reboot> At 03:25:32 on Jun 3, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 06:29:32 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 09:29:31 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 12:29:24 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 15:28:54 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 18:28:59 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 21:33:10 on Jun 3, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. At 00:29:08 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. At 03:29:32 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41861120 bytes long. At 06:29:36 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41861120 bytes long. At 09:30:19 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41861120 bytes long. At 12:29:38 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41861120 bytes long. At 15:28:05 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. At 18:29:43 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. At 21:29:36 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. <reboot> At 00:28:48 on Jun 5, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 03:29:18 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 06:35:22 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 09:29:38 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 12:28:30 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 15:28:18 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 18:28:52 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 21:28:22 on Jun 5, swapfile was 39034880 bytes long. As you can see, it is simply not true that the swapfile never shrinks. It never shrinks _significantly_. By the way, all of these reboots were either because I was going out of town for a few days, or because I was playing with low-level stuff like SLIP config files, and needed to restart the kernel. I never reboot for swapfile reasons anymore, and I don't exit the windowserver to recover swapspace either. (I did when I had a small disk!) Earlier in the spring I left the machine running for over 90 days, and the swapfile was in the high 60's; on the other hand, you can see that a killer overnight Mathematica job on May 17-18 zapped it up to over 80 MB. I don't see why someone with 100 MB or more to spare (make that 150-200 MB if you're running a ND with 64 MB of physical RAM!) has to worry about this. For someone with less, you can take your crashes any way you like: (1) Make a partition called swapdisk, and no other swapfile, and you'll die hard when it fills. (2) Swap to a file with a hiwat and no alternative, and you'll die just as hard when you hit the hiwat. (3) Swap to a file with no hiwat, and your disk will get to 100% full, at which point your user-level writes will fail, and you'll know to reboot. (4) Swap to a file with no hiwat, keep working as root when you no longer have space to write to disk as user, and eventually your disk will get to 111.1% full, and you will HAVE to reboot, if you still can. Warning: at this point things like 'rm' and 'umount' no longer work properly, so you may have to do a real Kabuki dance to get back to a sane system. Would someone please tell me what you would LIKE NeXTstep to do about swapfiles, that is not covered by the four choices above? I think that every non-NeXT solution that I've ever seen is isomorphic to one of the above...though to be fair, if SunOS can really stay happy for months with only 16 MB, then either (a) X is as bad as I've been told, or (b) Sun is handling their fixed, limited, vulnerable swapspace with care and some delicacy. If NeXT can improve the way they handle their flexible, unlimited, robust swapspace so as to shrink things more often, of course I am all for it.... But in his eyes a still small flame +------------------------------------+ Like the first cell from which he came | Joshua W. Burton (401)435-6370 | Burns round and luminous, as he rides, | burton@het.brown.edu | Singing my song of deicides. -- Haldane +------------------------------------+
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:47:26 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <chx8Vyy00iUxI1Vg5h@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun7.055851.5422@millennium.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 7-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? > > The WindowServer is a long running process that probably leaks core, > > albeit slowly. Restarting the WindowServer via "exit" is a very easy > > way to correct this and reclaim the space. No, it's not very elegant, > > but it does help, and it costs nothing. I think it's worth a lot more > > then what you pay for it. > > Sigh. > > You might want to read (reread?) Avie's post so that you understand why > this usually won't work. In my case it would be "reread". Since you are aware of it's existence, why don't you read it as well? It answers most of the questions you've been asking repeatedly, such as "does the swapfile reclaim pages?" Avie's post also addresses how useful using "exit" is. If you read it and understand it, you might even consider using "exit", since it is in fact useful. > Besides, who said anything about the window server. Most of the machines > around here run headless. You probably should spend more time trying to come up with your own solutions to your own problems, then, instead of making knee-jerk reflexive criticisms about every idea that has my name attached to it, which is precisely what you are doing now. Are you having fun, Jayson? -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun7.145753.16029@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.233730.3993@millennium.com> <jlemonCqzwy9.Foq@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:57:53 GMT In article <jlemonCqzwy9.Foq@netcom.com> jlemon@netcom.com (Jonathan Lemon) writes: >Yes, but I have to agree with Charles; I don't really see how this is a bug. >When you quit your first app, you now have a 40MB hole in your swapfile. >Now, your swapfile will _NOT_ grow any more until you have filled in the >entire 40MB hole. It's not as if it keeps chewing space off the end of >the swapfile while there are free pages at a lower address. If your swapfile >grows up to 80MB, it's because there _were_ 80MB of VM in use at one time. > This is what it's supposed to do. However, when my system has 32M of RAM, and all I do is a compile, while logging in to a remote site, and my swapfile blooms up to 46M I don't see how this can be happening. Unless gcc became a real pig, and needs all this space... or, there's something wrong with the kernel: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND root -1 7.7 19.9 51.3M 6.37M ? U 10:22 <mach-task> root 0 2.1 19.9 51.3M 6.37M ? R N 23hr (kernel idle) NeXT has said before that the -1 process taking up all the VM is an artifact, that it isn't real. Why does the kernel report all this VM usage though? Is this incorrect as well? >Making the swapfile shrink seems like a "who cares?" problem, since if >I used 80MB of VM at one time, I'm likely to use 80MB of VM at another >point in time too. I couldn't care less if it stayed at 80MB in between, >since if I really needed that disk space for something else, then I'm >going to royally crash (cf: your first point) when I run out of backing >store. NS is hard enough on resources. The idea of having a dedicated 200M swap drive is a little bit of a hack, I think. Sure, we're living in an age of increased resources, but most of the world gets by on a 40M drive, with 4M of RAM. I think that the resource situation can easily get out of hand (if it isn't already) if programmmers continue to be wasteful. > >If the swapfile keeps growing without limit, then it's due to a memory >leak in some program, where the system thinks that the VM pages are still >in use, when they're not. But it isn't due to any bug in the swapfile >handling itself. Compacting the swapfile isn't going to do much good, >since if those pages are still marked 'in use', then they can't be >removed anyway. As soon as a long running process grabs a high numbered page, your swapfile will not shrink past that point. It's a staircase effect; you can only go up, not down, as long as long running processes grab the occasional page. If NS is good and efficient, it will attempt to reclaim the unused portions of the swapfile. Due to my experience, I'm sceptical of this, although I'm unable to back that feeling up with proof, other than that NS seems to be more VM-inefficient than other OSs. - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: Re: remote NeXTMail wireless? Message-ID: <1994Jun7.153525.10733@pcp.ca> Keywords: remote, mail Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. References: <1994Jun7.044459.6803@pcp.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 15:35:25 GMT Group: I apologize for not being more clear on my original posting: 1. I would like to receive NeXTMail on the road on a NeXTSTEP portable. I don't want to have to be tied to my desk machine, which has a UUNET link. I would like to be able to forward my mail from my desk machine to my portable while I'm on the road wireless (e.g, while I'm in a plane, for example). Thus, my question is: are there any services that offer this wireless connection for NeXTMail? 2. What's the approximate cost of a portable that can run NS? Is there even such a thing? Please e-mail me and I'll summarize. Regards, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca alex@oolesson.com In article <1994Jun7.044459.6803@pcp.ca> Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) writes: > Hello there: > > What's the easiest way to receive NeXTMail if I'm on the road? I often > take extensive trips from Canada to the US and during that time, I can't > reach my mail because my uucp link (via UUNET) is hooked to my desk > machine. Is there an easy way of routing my mail from my desk machine to a > NeXTSTEP portable? Is there a cheap portable out there than can run NS for > the sake of reading NeXTMail? > > Please e-mail me and I'll summarize if there's any interest. > > Thanks, > > Alex > Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca > alex@oolesson.com
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:15:51 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Yhx_h7C00iUxE4I4Ju@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2t1vjv$gfm@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 7-Jun-94 Re: More on swapping... by Deborah Howland@gpu.srv. > >However, if you are displaying photorealistic images or are running > >certain database queries or generally dealing with not easily > >compressible data, the swapfile can be substantially larger than > >swapfile.front. And, unfortunately, if you use the swaptimizer, you > >can't set low and high watermarks for how much actual disk space is > >used by the swapfile. > > Hmm, I had never considered this circumstance. I guess I thought > the swaptimizer would be smart enough not to compress things if > it made a page larger. The swaptimizer presumably attempts to perform compression on each page; if the results from applying the compression are larger then the original, I would assume the original version (not the "compressed" one) of the page would be the version that gets placed in the swapfile. Unfortunately, there is no (single) compression algorithm that always produces smaller results then the original, and there also isn't any good way of determining whether a given input will compress well or not without actually applying the compression algorithm to find out. This is from information theory. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? In-Reply-To: terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca's message of Mon, 6 Jun 1994 23:28:26 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Jun7104836@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <1994Jun5.203807.3643@millennium.com> <Cr017E.GKB@arcane.calgary.ab.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 17:48:36 GMT Terry Wilcox writes: Terry> I forgot. I meant easily using fonts. I hate: Terry> adobe-times-*-*-*-180-*-what-the-hell-is-this? Terry> or is that X's fault alone? XLFDs are a horrid abomination, and yes, they are X's fault. Do you really think someone as nice as me would inflict something that awful on you ;-) ? I don't think I could come up with such a dastardly simultaneous combination of over and under specification without some really wicked drugs. Terry>>> I want a drawing program that can really scale and rotate text. Jayson>> You don't need DPS to scale and rotate text. "Need", no. But X doesn't support it, nor does QuickDraw, or GDI. QDGX does, but TrueType fonts aren't generally built to support rotation. Even with the matrix enhancements to XLFDs, X still won't _support_ rotated text. Terry> But it couldn't hurt. Currently I can rotate little boxes where the Terry> text should be. Criminal. Purely criminal :-). Almost as bad is rotating bitmaps - eeew! -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === ===
From: burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 7 Jun 1994 18:01:08 GMT Organization: Brown University Message-ID: <2t2cl4$78t@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <Cr0zz8.7uu@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Clifford T. Matthews writes: >For #3 to apply above, the programs that Josh regularly uses have to be >kept running the entire time his machine is up. Apparently Josh runs >something between 6:30pm and 9:30pm that consumes a fair amount of swap >space. If that is the same process that is running from day to day, there >could be a memory leak in the process. Gnutar and gzip. I do an incremental backup of my own files every 20:40, and 00:40, and of ALL non-system files at 04:40. Sounds paranoid, but it fits my work schedule and means I never risk losing more than about 4 hours of work. (Saved my bits once when a hard drive died hard with ZERO warning. Get paranoid, everybody. If you would shrug if your primary storage device went belly-up RIGHT THIS MOMENT, then I'm not talking to you.) I bet it's gzip that's the culprit---compression requires large chunks of the file to be compared at once, and it's trying to compress a tarfile of anywhere from 2 to 50 MB. (When it gets bigger than that, my scripts send me mail, and I do a manual level-zero backup. Anyone want my scripts?) Cliff's point is well-taken---things never really do stop growing, do they? Basically, I see three likely regimes: (1) Swapfile is too damn small (less than about 30-40 MB on my 24 MB system). In this regime, your swapfile grows by a few MB every time you launch an app, draw a graphic, scratch your ear, etc. When I had 7 MB of user-accessible space free on my old 340 MB drive, this torture was standard operating procedure. If this is your problem, no sympathy. (2) Swapfile is reasonable, but every now and then you use a big app, which then goes away. This should cause slow, roughly logarithmic growth (assuming Poisson statistics in the interval between big app launches), and ultimately should max out somewhere stable, corresponding to your `realistic worst case'. For instance, say my lowat is 20 MB, but I need 34 MB just to function, 40-45 MB to run a big background gzip, and 60-80 MB whenever I open Imageviewer on something enormous or blow a two-loop Feynman diagram past Mathematica. In this case, my swapfile should eventually get up to 80 MB and stay there, which is not really wasteful. After all, if I did it once, I might do it again, and so I am only fooling myself if the space frees up and I naively think I can put user files there. I was willing to believe that this was what I was seeing, but Cliff thinks otherwise, and almost he persuadeth me. (3) Swapfile is reasonable, and a slow pernicious leak in a long-running app is killing us by degrees. In this regime, growth should be slow, but linear and eternal. Avie pointed out that sloppiness in the printer-based heritage of our DPS windowing system is a good candidate for this kind of problem, but was honest with us: he doesn't know whether his company's OS has this problem or not, and it's not a high priority to find out. If I stayed up for a year, would my swapfile be 90 MB (good) or 450 MB (clear linear leak)? I really don't know, but I think that the answer to this question would finally pinpoint the existence/nonexistence of a BUG in need of repair. <Editorial on> No one can tell you what an appropriate configuration for your problem is until he knows your work habits and needs. NeXT has historically shown more common sense and customer sense here than most companies. Example: almost everybody has a `need' for clean power. So NeXT put a cheap but fairly heavy-duty surge protector in every cube they sold. If we all need it, why should we have to hassle with it? We're not all Englishmen, who LIKE having to buy a custom plug every time they buy a lamp or a blender! Do you also need a UPS? A high-speed modem? A DAT drive? More system memory? A color screen? A mirrored backup solution? A dedicated swapdisk? *It depends on what you are trying to do.* NeXT's responsibility is to give you clear guidance as to `typically' appropriate choices for your situation. YOUR responsibility as a sysadmin is to monitor your performance, and spot the real bottlenecks...then address them within the constraints of available funds. <Editorial off> If your primary hard drive has 200 MB free, or if you have a dedicated swapdrive of 200 MB, then it almost doesn't matter whether there is a bug here: everyone (but the NeXTdimension studs) agrees that you can run for many months without ever seeing a swapfile that big. This should really be the situation most people are in most of the time, based on the old rule that you buy a hard drive 40% full, and a bigger one when you hit 80%. My experience seems to show that with my Mma-intensive use I would still be OK for months at 100 MB, but here the leak probably matters. I think Cliff and I agree that trying to run at lowat (20 MB) is folly, as regime (1) is not a good place to be. If there's a leak, AND it can be fixed, AND it means the difference between monthly-trouble-at-80-MB and monthly- trouble-at-30-MB, then I agree it matters to some people with marginal but adequate hard drives, and NeXT should pursue it. AFTER they fix Mail.app to index properly, put a good GUI PPP solution in the basic distribution, incorporate Carl Edman's Emacs 19 port, bring in Kerberos and a reasonably modern sed, gawk, sendmail, ispell, cron, date, and talk, become Unicode friendly, make HTML as `native' as RTF, make .gif and .jpg as `native' as tiff---anything else on the plate for whatever fraction of NeXT's 200-odd employees are doing Unix-level stuff? Oh, and did you want those HP and Sun ports out the door on time, too? An unrelated beef that a lot of people have is that we are still in regime (1) at, say, 25-30 MB---this is true no matter what you think about the leak/no-leak, (2) vs. (3) issue. Does Sun do better, or is it just that on an X-box I'd be typing this in a text window with a broken ugly cursor and a limited scroll-back facility, instead of in a GUI window that has at-a-click services to everything from a full-featured dictionary and thesaurus to a TeX previewer to a freeware app that will pronounce my words out loud as I type them? We get a lot of stuff that we take for granted because it's so transparent. If 50 MB of VM is the price, most of us can live with it. If it's 100 MB, most of us can STILL live with it, but maybe we shouldn't. Thanks for clearing my thoughts, Cliff. If theorists today are all equally /=========================================== nearsighted, it is because we are /(Joshua W) burton@het.brown.edu 401/435-6370 standing on one another's feet. /=============================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun7.172246.5733@millennium.com> Keywords: sdfsfsafasfsadfsafsafsf Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <4hwqNGe00iV8E45PQX@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun6.230024.5152@millennium.com> <2t0l9t$pe0@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 17:22:46 GMT In article <2t0l9t$pe0@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Deborah Howland writes: > Jayson Adams writes: > > >No duh. The issue was does the OS reclaim swapfile space that's no longer > >being used. > > Come on, we're talking at cross purposes. If we are more clear what > we mean, here, it will probably help. (A little ESP would go a long > way, too. :~) > > It has been stated time and time again, and evidence presented, and > supporting statements from Avie posted, that "space that's no longer > being used" *is* reclaimed. Where in this post did I say it wasn't? In previous posts, yes, but that was before Avie's. You might want to reread the thread (or just not jump in the middle). __jayson
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 7 Jun 1994 18:25:19 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2t2e2f$h5o@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.233730.3993@millennium.com> <jlemonCqzwy9.Foq@netcom.com> <1994Jun7.145753.16029@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> In article <1994Jun7.145753.16029@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, Darcy BROCKBANK <samurai@cs.mcgill.ca> wrote: >[munch] >As soon as a long running process grabs a high numbered page, your swapfile >will not shrink past that point. It's a staircase effect; you can only >go up, not down, as long as long running processes grab the occasional >page. If NS is good and efficient, it will attempt to reclaim the >unused portions of the swapfile. Due to my experience, I'm sceptical >of this, although I'm unable to back that feeling up with proof, >other than that NS seems to be more VM-inefficient than other OSs. > I think you are correct in the first part of this paragraph. I get the impression that a lot of people think that virtural memory is allocated in some orderly fashion and the most recent APP to launch is the one to use the highest block in the swapfile. More likely is the case that some process that never exits (init, netinfod, etc) has some page swapped out at the end of the file. This behavior has nothing to do whatsoever with Memory Leaks. If you have don't enough free real memory the VM pager has to hunt for more by trying to page out idle processes. This is probably one of the last things the pager tries and it probably results in page swaps by these's processes that normally don't exit. Unfortunately, the particular pages that do get swapped out from these old-timers probably never get swapped back in (data that never gets called, or text that isn't used often). So basically you've probably got some really trivial piece of data paged out at the 60 Mb mark of some swap file which is never going to be allowed to shrink. As far as fixing this behavior, I would NOT want to see NeXT spend time working on a garabage collector or defragmenter. The extra overhead and impact on real time or near real time processes would not be work it. You'd probably have to temporarily block processes leading to all sorts of headaches, not the least of which would be debugging the darn thing. Perhaps the file system could be used to delete blocks around the allocated blocks. I think it can allocate files with holes, but I've not read up enough to know if the reverse where true. Another thing to do provided Mach (or underlying OS) allowed it would be some way to force otherwise idle processes to page back into real memory to free up the distantly placed paged segments. The idle processes might get paged out again quickly, but hopefully it could arranged to be somewhere earlier in the swap file. Getting it to page back in and changing the VM allocation method to release the reserved pages are definitely no-trival modifications to the pager. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 7 Jun 1994 18:43:48 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2t2f54$ji1@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <Cr0zz8.7uu@cobra.cs.unm.edu> <2t2cl4$78t@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> >> I bet it's gzip that's the culprit---compression requires large chunks of >> the file to be compared at once, and it's trying to compress a tarfile of >> anywhere from 2 to 50 MB. (When it gets bigger than that, my scripts send Nope. gzip only keeps a sliding window of 32K (that's K) bytes for finding matching strings for compression. Even with the hash table for strings, it only needs a few 100K of memory to operate. If it's really gnutar+gzip eating swap space, I could only guess that gnutar is keeping all the files and file information in memory for some reason. It should be easy enough to check by looking at the gnutar source. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dylan@Angst.COM (Dylan Kohler) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun7.171401.7802@Angst.COM> Sender: dylan@Angst.COM Organization: Angst Animation Post Production References: <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 17:14:01 GMT In article <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) writes: > When a page is freed, if it is the highest page in the swapfile, the swapfile > will be truncated all the way down to the highest page in use (down to > lowat). In practice, this happens rarely. The basic problem is that if you > have a long running process use a very high number paged (e.g., if the > Windowserver allocates a high numbered page) the swapfile will not get > truncated until that process exits --- which could be a very long time. When > this happens due to a core process (e.g., the nmserver), which cannot be > restarted unless the system is rebooted, your swapfile will remain large. > Still, there can be lots of free pages in the swapfile file, and rest assured > they will be reused! > Quick suggestion... Why not assign an individual "process swapfile" to each running process that pages out? That way, long-running processes with high pages don't hold the lesser pages (and your disk space) hostage. Furthermore, there will far more opportunities to compact swapfiles--if an application frees its highest numbered pages, its swapfile can be truncated no matter what other processes have allocated pages since. When a process dies, its swapfile is removed and the disk space is back. Because disk space is returned more easily under this scheme, you can do work that may require intensive swapping. Once it is over, you know you'll recapture the disk space; you'll avoid the monolithic creeping swapfile syndrome. Obviously, this scheme also obviates the compaction question. If this requires too many i-nodes or overhead, you have two tiers: one for likely heavy users (windowserver, Appkit apps) using my scheme of individual swapfiles; and one for the rest, using the current single swapfile. -- ___________________________________ Dylan Kohler Angst Animation Post Production dylan@angst.com (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.admin From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: NeXTMail on non-Unix systems on the road Message-ID: <1994Jun7.191146.12835@pcp.ca> Keywords: NeXTMail Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 19:11:46 GMT Group: From what I can tell, there's little hope of receing NeXTMail from a portable through a wireless connection while I'm on the road (the technology doesn't exist yet). Since I also need my portable for Windows, is there a way I can forward my NeXTMail from my desk machine to, say, Compuserve (or another Windows e-mail package) and read it there? I know how to use uudecode and uncompress to get attachments out of NeXTMail but how would I do this with DOS e-mail packages? Would I need the MKS toolkit for the Unix commands so I can get Unix mail and then deal with NeXTMail that way? Or should I just purchase something such as ZMail for Unix and then partition my portable with Windows and Unix? Any suggestions would be welcome. Please e-mail me and I'll summarize. Thanks, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca alex@oolesson.com
From: weissd@access.digex.net (Damien) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 7 Jun 1994 16:42:04 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <weissd.771021675@access3> Question: Is it me or does OmniWeb not load up the embeded images? OK, you'll say, check it in the Prefs, I did, and it still doesn't. Is this a known bug, or have I stumpbled upon a new feature?
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 7 Jun 1994 21:31:21 GMT Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD Message-ID: <2t2ov9$2ti@network.ucsd.edu> References: <2t0l9t$pe0@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Deborah Howland (dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) wrote: : What some people are, in effect, asking for, then, is the inclusion : in NEXTSTEP of a feature not implemented by any UNIX vendor that I : know of, i.e. some kind of auto garbage collection routine. It : would definitely be nice to have, in certain circumstances, but is : not a quick hack to implement, nor would it fail to exact a : performance penalty. Nor is NeXT somehow grossly at fault for not : implementing such a feature. Adding garbage collection to the standard objective-C toolkit and object system would be wonderful. GC makes all sorts of programming tasks less complex and more reliable. I'm presently using a new language with GC. (Sather). It uses Hans Boehm's (fabulous) C based garbage collector. The performance penalty is not as large as most people claim. In fact, in a very small test I made (after an Eiffel benchmark) using the GCing Boehm malloc compiled from Sather was faster than a native C program using the Sun standard malloc. That is, the performance degradation incurred by GC is on the same order as that found in switching between various malloc implementations, of which Boehm's is better. The present lack of GC in O-C is, in my opinion, one of its major weaknesses. Perfectly understandable, but still a weakness. I feel that it could be added, if only in some limited form, say as far as locally created objects go. (which would be OK for the window server). Garbage collection across distributed objects is still a leading-edge research problem. : Royce Howland : dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account) -- -Matt Kennel mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu -Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego -*** AD: Archive for nonlinear dynamics papers & programs: FTP to -*** lyapunov.ucsd.edu, username "anonymous".
From: chris@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Christian Limpach) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 07 Jun 1994 21:19:25 GMT Organization: welcome to nowhere... Message-ID: <CHRIS.94Jun7231926arkin@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch> References: <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2ste40$s7v@network.ucsd.edu> <2su7mh$dg4@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> In-reply-to: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca's message of 6 Jun 1994 04:12:01 GMT Originator: ARKIN@nice In article <2su7mh$dg4@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) writes: > It gives you a way to > avoid having a growing swapfile fill a filesystem completely > before things cut over to a secondary swapfile. (This assumes > hiwat works; some folks are saying it doesn't, but I think it does > on my NS 3.2 black slab. I'd have to check for sure, though.) On my system at home, I have swapfiles spread on two disks and I use the hiwat parameter to keep the size of the swapfile on the first disk constant. Sometime ago I had even a hiwat on both swapfiles and when both hiwat marks were reached, I got some error message, after exiting several apps (which took some minutes because swapping was really slow) everything worked again. I then increased the swapspace because it was indeed too small for what I was doing. Another machine here has even been running for over a month and gets only rebooted if we need to move it because of a demonstration. It's used for login at the console as well as network logins. Besides this it has a printer and we run several mailing lists, uucp accounts and an ftp server on it. I had even several things running for a month in a screen session. As the machines disks are quite full, swapfile problems would bring it down immediately. Conclusion: I think that NeXT's swap mechanism just works very well and that there is no need to change anything... christian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@myxa.com Subject: Re: More on swapping... Message-ID: <Cr1zK9.G9@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <2t1vjv$gfm@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 00:48:08 GMT In article <2t1vjv$gfm@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) writes: > ccwf@ludwig.klab.caltech.edu (Charles Fu) writes: > >However, if you are displaying photorealistic images or are running > >certain database queries or generally dealing with not easily > >compressible data, the swapfile can be substantially larger than > >swapfile.front. And, unfortunately, if you use the swaptimizer, you > >can't set low and high watermarks for how much actual disk space is > >used by the swapfile. > > As for the lowat/hiwat comment, are you saying then that those > parameters no longer work, or that they apply to the virtual > swapfile.front, or what? Anyway, lowat certainly works to some > extent, since my swapfile gets truncated back to 20MB, my lowat, > with every reboot. I think this explains what I saw last night- I set up my machine to have a second swapfile (thanks, Royce!). The primary had a hiwat of abuot 27 megs. To test it, I opened a few JPEGs in ImageViewer and zoomed them to 1500% (and they were pretty big to begin with). What I saw was that when the secondary swapfile kicked in, the first was only at 19 Megs (lowat being 16). The second swapfile grew from 4 megs (the lowat - I don't want too keep much space idle on the drive) to 21 megs. The primary swapfile was set for compression, so my theory is that the swaptimizer confused things, so that the second swapfile was switched in when *swapfile.front* grew over the primary's hiwat, rather than using the size of actual physical swapfile. So, it would appear that it's true that hiwat doesn't work with the swaptimizer. -- Jonathan W. Hendry tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar" Edward R. Murrow
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun7.231442.6075@millennium.com> Keywords: Please go away now Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <chx8Vyy00iUxI1Vg5h@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 23:14:42 GMT In article <chx8Vyy00iUxI1Vg5h@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger writes: > [don't get me started; I wish someone would learn to read] > > You probably should spend more time trying to come up with your own > solutions to your own problems, then, instead of making knee-jerk > reflexive criticisms about every idea that has my name attached to it Chucky, you suggested exiting the Window Server as the way to solve the swapfile "problem." If you had understood Avie's post, you would've realized that this won't always work because a daemon might've grabbed a high page in the swapfile, and that daemon won't go away on Window Server exit. It also won't work if you never really use the Window Server, which is true for the multiple headless systems we have running here (and they exhibit the swapfile "problem" too). Please don't declare your "solutions" (like that dedicated swapdisk idea) as the universal answer. __jayson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun7.232602.6155@millennium.com> Keywords: ssdfsdlslskskfkoksfsf Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <chx7w9G00iUx01VfYt@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 23:26:02 GMT In article <chx7w9G00iUx01VfYt@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger writes: > > I know of a fair number of machines with 128MB of RAM. For some > circumstances, that amount of memory is perfectly reasonable. However, > a 105MB drive costs about $200, and 128MB RAM costs about $4000. A cost > ratio of 20 implies that the 105 is a much more cost efficient solution > then getting 128MB of RAM. > Of course, finding and fixing whatever's chewing up swapspace (or fixing the vm bug in the kernel, if there is one) would be the most cost-effective solution of all! __jayson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: how to put page-break in .rtf Edit file Message-ID: <1994Jun7.230937.1815@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Keywords: edit rtf Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 23:09:37 GMT Hi, Does anybody know how I can put in a .rtf file a page-break character. Thanks Willem -- W i l l e m v a n S c h a i k ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philips TASS schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mane@simplework.octagon.de (Mane Wuehr) Subject: Re: Newton Message-ID: <1994Jun7.083053.10917@simplework.octagon.de> Organization: SimpleWork Software GmbH References: <9406060354.AA02442@sisnext.uucp> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 08:30:53 GMT si@sisnext.sf.ca.us (Lawrence S. Kroll) writes: >1) Has anyone used a PDA like the Newton successfully and not had the >need for a pencil and pocket notebook? Me; and I'm satisfied with it and like it! (OK, with handwriting-recognition you can't take up *fast* notes, but it does a remarkable job even with my scribbling. And it reminds me of my dates!!! And when I write `call Sepp', it finds Sepp's phone-number and with one tap it dials for me, and it has a calculator, and I have some public-domain-progies, and I will buy a german/english-dictionary for it, and ...). >2) Can the Newton data be transferred to my NeXT? When you are thinking about something like the ConnectionKit, I don't thik so - at the moment; but there are some things running. Yesterday was an article in comp.sys.next.software about `NeXTstep & My (Your) Newton' where a guy named Crawford asked about the interest in such a product, so he can forward it to the developers (mail him at crawford@nesteggs.com!). >3) What about compatibility with the Dancing Bear product? *WHAT IS THIS?????* Am I missing something? Why am I sitting here in Germany ... 'nuf 4 now, -- Manfred W"uhr - mane@simplework.octagon.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@myxa.com Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <Cr246G.no@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <1994Jun7.231442.6075@millennium.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 02:27:51 GMT In article <1994Jun7.231442.6075@millennium.com> Jayson Adams writes: > Chucky, you suggested exiting the Window Server as the way to solve the > swapfile "problem." If you had understood Avie's post, you would've realized > that this won't always work because a daemon might've grabbed a high page in > the swapfile, and that daemon won't go away on Window Server exit. It also > won't work if you never really use the Window Server, which is true for the > multiple headless systems we have running here (and they exhibit the swapfile > "problem" too). Please don't declare your "solutions" (like that dedicated > swapdisk idea) as the universal answer. Actually, Jayson's right, the vast numbers of headless machines (which as we all know make up the overwhelming majority of the installed base) would not be helped at all by restarting the Windowserver. Thus, the solution is obviously without any merit whatsoever. The fact that it won't work at times is truly the smoking gun that exiting the Windowserver is a load of hooey. No doubt that unnecessary and inefficacious windowserver restarts are crumbing the very foundation of this once proud nation. Only half a :-), since I respectfully think Mr. Adams is working overtime in his position as a net.curmudgeon. -- Jonathan W. Hendry tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar" Edward R. Murrow
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 8 Jun 1994 04:07:33 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2t3g65$r53@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <2t1vjv$gfm@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <Cr1zK9.G9@dsinc!flash> flash!jon@myxa.com writes: >[...good test of hiwat...] >So, it would appear that it's true that hiwat doesn't work with the >swaptimizer. Damn! If that's the case, then *there's* a real bug for sure. I'll have to run off and test it myself, now, as if I don't have enough to do already, what with yacking about this topic and all. :~) Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 8 Jun 1994 04:20:58 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2t3gva$nib@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <4hwqNGe00iV8E45PQX@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun6.230024.5152@millennium.com> <2t0l9t$pe0@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1994Jun7.172246.5733@millennium.com> Keywords: sdfsfsafasfsadfsafsafsf Jayson Adams writes: >In article <2t0l9t$pe0@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Deborah Howland writes: >> Jayson Adams writes: >> >> >No duh. The issue was does the OS reclaim swapfile space that's no longer >> >being used. >> >> It has been stated time and time again, and evidence presented, and >> supporting statements from Avie posted, that "space that's no longer >> being used" *is* reclaimed. >Where in this post did I say it wasn't? In previous posts, yes, but that was >before Avie's. You might want to reread the thread (or just not jump in the >middle). Well, in fact I have been reading this thread from the beginning. However, I just took you up on your kind offer, and reread your posts in this thread. True, in the post I quoted, you do not actually say that swapfile space is not being reclaimed. However, since you indicated this opinion in each previous post on the subject, and did not indicate in the quoted post that you had changed your mind, I felt it not unreasonable to assume your opinion continued unaltered. Bad assumption, seemingly. (Or is it? You are not saying, now, that you *have* changed your mind, you're only implying it. Silly me, looking for clarity. :~) Anyway, apologies for the confusion, if any. Don't take things so seriously, and we'll all have a lot more fun. Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
From: mickey@uunet.uu.net (Mickey Lasky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DOOM for Black? Date: 6 Jun 1994 16:07:09 -0400 Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc. (Earth offices) Sender: mickey@shiva.UU.NET Distribution: world Message-ID: <2svvld$5ae@shiva.UU.NET> References: <MAGNAN.94Jun6143017@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA> There most certainly is! Check on cs.orst.edu /pub/next/binaries/games I think. And if you have a net connection, I'd be interested in playing, as would several other folks I know. ------ Mickey Lasky mickey@uunet.uu.net Technical Support dokk@ita.org (NeXTMail welcomed) http://stravinsky.anderson-lab.american.edu:3001 "I did not say this. I am not here..." --- Third Stage Guild Navigator _Dune_ In article <MAGNAN.94Jun6143017@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA>, magnan@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA (Magnan Francois) writes: > > Is there a version of Doom compiled for Black Hardware? > >Thank you, > >Francois Magnan >-- >**************************************************** >** Francois Magnan : magnan@mathcn.umontreal.ca ** >** Dept. Mathematiques, Universite de Montreal ** >****************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib) Subject: ** MOSAIC for NeXT ** Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 19:58:03 GMT Message-ID: <CqzrGy.L2I@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Does anybody knows where can I find a NeXTSTEP version of MOSAIC? Thanks in advance. Richard Dib dib@ihlpe.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Subject: Anybody know something about this motel/street in SF? Message-ID: <1994Jun6.201033.1868@rna.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 20:10:33 GMT Hi, I found a motel room in SF (for the Expo). It's the Mart Motel in Taylor street. Is it OK? Thanks, --Gerben -- gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) NEXTSTEP RD242 "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <CqzJ41.6JJ@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:57:39 GMT In article <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Charles William Swiger writes: >>However, NEXTSTEP's growing swapfile is certainly no worse then every >>other Unix OS, all of which require you to dedicate large physical >>partitions of your disks for swap areas. > >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS >require so.. by Darcy BROCKBANK: >> I have a better solution: have NeXT fix the bug. > >and > >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS >require so .. by J.B. Nicholson-Owens: >> In my opinion, NeXT should still be held to fixing the problem. >> Letting them off the hook because many other OSs are broken doesn't >> make NeXT any better to me; NS' swap mechanism is still broken and >> every release that passes without it being fixed makes me believe more >> strongly that this might be beyond their ability to fix. I can't >> imagine why they would let a show-stopping bug like this (that affects >> *every* NS user) to go on so long. > >I don't understand how either of you can claim NeXT's swapfile behavior >is a bug. OK. Here's how I can claim that there were severe bugs related to paging under NEXTSTEP. I used to run an 8 Mb system, and the system swapfile would continue to grow, even though the amount of virtual memory being used should not have been sufficient to cause such growth. Logging out, killing processes and using the "exit" special login to restart the WindowServer would not clear up the problem. There were *serious* leaks up through 3.1. I got more memory before I brought in 3.2, and as such I haven't seen the problem as much. I have a strong suspicion that it's still there, because my swap file still appears to grow over time, although it's not as often and I haven't taken the time to *verify* that there is a problem. Other UNIXs that I have used *have not* had this problem. It is not a matter of running out of swap space because too much VM is being used concurrently, it *is* a matter of running out of swap space because swap spaces isn't being reclaimed appropriately (or at leat it *was* -- again, I haven't spent much time looking into it under 3.2). I have a Sun3/60 running SunOS 3.5 that never had to be rebooted because swap space slowly was eaten up. Sure, I ran out of swap space here and there, I push computers pretty hard. All that usually happens is that you get an error message saying something about virtual memory being exhausted (of course it's possible thaat just as my application eats all of swap, some system app would request VM and get unhappy, it didn't happen in practice). >Like every other page-based virtual memory operating system, NeXT's Mach >kernel needs to have a backing store for performing paging operations. >When you run out of swap space, the system has *absolutely* no recourse; >there simply is no space for the page to be saved. The kernel then has >to terminate the process that was being paged out and had a page of >memory permenently lost. This may unfortunately result in your system >going down when the WorkSpace or some other critical component gets >killed. No. On most VM based machines you have enough swapping space to do day to day tasks and on the rare occasion when you run an app that eats more VM than you have allocated for swap space, that application runs out of space and gets an "out of virtual memory" type error that causes a well-behaved app to release some resources, or die gracefully, and causes a naive app to just die. Now it is *possible* that you'll run an app that will take up *just enough* memory so that some critical daemon will get shorted, but in practice it's fairly rare because usually you only hit the boundary when you're doing something that suddenly takes up a bunch of VM. It is TOTALLY different under broken NEXTSTEP. Instead, your swap space is slowly eaten up, and who knows *what* process will be the unlucky one that gets killed. And if something important isn't the first to die, don't worry, the VM will *still* be tied up and something important is bound to die sooner or later. There is no conspiracy to claim that NEXTSTEP systems require rebooting because of swap space problems -- they really do (or at least did). Sure, some people's knowledge of what's going on, may be slightly off-base, or perhaps they don't want to spend a bunch of time typing in all the specifics, but the problem is (or at least was) very real and was MUCH worse than other UNIXs. --Cliff
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 16:06:13 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <940606215921.6686AACUu.malc@jeeves> Darcy BROCKBANK <samurai@cs.mcgill.ca> wrote: (in <1994Jun6.154923.18685@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>) > Maybe the WindowServer should be killed on each logout? That could possibly help... > Now there's an interesting idea: couldn't this be done automatically with a logouthook? If, as many are saying, the size of the swapfile may remain large because the WindowServer has grabbed a high-numbered page, so the intervening megabytes are not released, restarting it between *every* login session may be a useful measure. (I periodically login as "exit", but maybe every so often is not enough.) Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <CqyF5J.8u@dsinc!flash> Sender: tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 02:34:30 GMT In article <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > -rw------t 1 root 22364160 Jun 3 19:08 swapfile > -rw------t 1 root 29335552 Jun 4 16:08 swapfile > -rw------t 1 root 16777216 Jun 2 16:41 swapfile > ... > such large swapfiles (there's nobody logged in at the Huh? The bloated ones are only 6MB and 13MB over "normal". The swapfiles aren' that big, and hardly put the machines at risk. Compiling does tend to eat swapspace, but this really isn't a *huge* amount of bloat (at least I don't think so). When the swapfile hits 35-40MB, then I'd say there's a real problem. Whatever problems there are with NeXT's swap scheme, I imagine it's also due to leaky apps and utilities and not purely the fault of the OS. Does Improv have any memory leaks? The swapfile shrinks fine *sometimes*- ImageViewer lets go of whatever memory it uses when I quit and the swapfile shrinks right back down to 16MB. Sure, it'd be nice if the OS cleaned up after sloppy apps, but I don't think that NeXT should take the heat for third party apps that leak. (Well, maybe if the leak comes from NeXT code...) I think that might be a more worthwhile endeavor for NeXT- fixing their own leaky code, rather than fixing the swap mechanism. -- Jonathan W. Hendry tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar" Edward R. Murrow
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jlemon@netcom.com (Jonathan Lemon) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <jlemonCqzwy9.Foq@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.233730.3993@millennium.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 21:56:32 GMT In article <1994Jun5.233730.3993@millennium.com>, <Jayson Adams> wrote: >In article <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger writes: >> >> I don't understand how either of you can claim NeXT's swapfile behavior >> is a bug. >> >> Like every other page-based virtual memory operating system, NeXT's Mach >> kernel needs to have a backing store for performing paging operations. >> When you run out of swap space, the system has *absolutely* no recourse; >> there simply is no space for the page to be saved. The kernel then has >> to terminate the process that was being paged out and had a page of >> memory permenently lost. This may unfortunately result in your system >> going down when the WorkSpace or some other critical component gets >> killed. > >I don't think you quite understand the situation. You're exactly right in >that if I have 105MB of swap space and all of my running processes require >more than that, I'm hosed. The bug is that when I quit an app that has been >partially swapped out, the space it takes up in the swapfile isn't reclaimed >(well, more precisely, if an app I'm running adds 40 mb to the swap file, >then some other app starts up and adds let's say a page to the end of the >swap file, when I quit the first app, the now unused 40mb isn't reclaimed >because the second app is still running). Typing "exit" in the WindowServer Yes, but I have to agree with Charles; I don't really see how this is a bug. When you quit your first app, you now have a 40MB hole in your swapfile. Now, your swapfile will _NOT_ grow any more until you have filled in the entire 40MB hole. It's not as if it keeps chewing space off the end of the swapfile while there are free pages at a lower address. If your swapfile grows up to 80MB, it's because there _were_ 80MB of VM in use at one time. Making the swapfile shrink seems like a "who cares?" problem, since if I used 80MB of VM at one time, I'm likely to use 80MB of VM at another point in time too. I couldn't care less if it stayed at 80MB in between, since if I really needed that disk space for something else, then I'm going to royally crash (cf: your first point) when I run out of backing store. If the swapfile keeps growing without limit, then it's due to a memory leak in some program, where the system thinks that the VM pages are still in use, when they're not. But it isn't due to any bug in the swapfile handling itself. Compacting the swapfile isn't going to do much good, since if those pages are still marked 'in use', then they can't be removed anyway. -- Jonathan
From: m94dwa@albireo.tdb.uu.se (David Wallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tseng-Labs W32i driver available? Date: 6 Jun 1994 22:36:59 GMT Organization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University, Sweden Message-ID: <2t08eb$hhs@columba.udac.uu.se> The Compatibility Guide from May 8 1994 say that a Tseng-Labs W32i driver is planned for Q2 94. And now over to the questions: 1. Is it available yet ? 2. Where can I get it ? 3. What resolutions is supported ? 4. Since Im not sure if to buy a W32i-based card, is it a good choice or can you recommend me some other card (maybe a Weitek Power 9000)? //David Wallin. m94dwa@student.tdb.uu.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaik@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (Willem van Schaik) Subject: SOLUTION for mount name MSDOS floppy Message-ID: <1994Jun6.212915.2166@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl> Keywords: next msdos floppy Sender: news@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (USENET News System) Organization: Philips Communications & Processing Services, Eindhoven Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 21:29:15 GMT Some of you will remember the thread a while ago about the name used to mount MSDOS floppies under NeXTstep 3.0 and later, It appears that MSDOS puts more then one volume label on a diskette and NS is using just the label that can not be altered. Result: mount names of no_name, unlabeled or boeder (appears to be a very large OEM floppy disk manufacturer in Germany). But here is the SOLUTION. It is however a TurboPascal program that runs under MSDOS. I don't know how this could be done on the NeXT. Please let me know if you find this useful (or the dumbest thing ever produced). Have fun, Willem ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BSLABEL version 1.0 written by Willem van Schaik Oirschot - Netherlands May 1994 This MSDOS utility sets the disk label as present in the bootsector of a floppy. This label is different from a normal volume label, which can be specified when formatting a disk or changed using the LABEL command. Syntax is "BSLABEL D: <label>", where the drive is an obligatory parameter. When no label is specified the current label is reset to blanks. Starting with NeXTstep 3.0 the label as specified in the bootsector is used to mount the floppy. Using BSLABEL it is now possible to set the name used for mounting without having NS initialize the disk. When no label was given and the bootsector label is filled with all blanks, NS mounts the floppy under the name /DOS, which is the same as NS 2.1 did for default. The program modifies directly the bytes [2B]h upto [35]h of the bootsector. This works with MSDOS 5.0 and OS/2 2.1. I don't take any responsibility for destroying your floppies, in case big Bill thinks of changing this. So be carefull and know what you do. Better experiment first with a floppy without valuable data. Both the Turbo Pascal source and an executable as compiled with TP7 are provided. It should be possible to compile this program with any TP version >= TP4.0. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun6.230024.5152@millennium.com> Keywords: Jayson Adams@??? Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <4hwqNGe00iV8E45PQX@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 23:00:24 GMT In article <4hwqNGe00iV8E45PQX@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS > require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? > > OK, so it's alright for NEXTSTEP to work this way because everyone else's > > UNIX is worse? > > No. > > It's "alright for NEXTSTEP to work this way" because of reality. > Follow closely: > > Mach has a page-based virtual memory system. > This VM system must have a backing store to save pages being paged out. > This backing store consists of one or more swapfiles. > These swapfiles grow when necessary. > If the system runs out of disk space, the swapfiles cannot grow. > If the swapfiles cannot grow when they need to, bad things happen: ie, > the system crashes. > > Do you understand? No duh. The issue was does the OS reclaim swapfile space that's no longer being used. > > Getting more space to swap in solves the problem that people such as > yourself are complaining about, namely, their systems crash when they > run out of swap space. > > It costs money, agreed. It also is the best solution, IMHO. This is a > tradeoff, and you are free to make your own decisions about whether it's > worth it. However, any solution that works certainly is not "absurd". Really? I could try stuffing my machine with 128MB of RAM. That's a solution that works, but it's (also) absurd. __jayson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: netcom.com!kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) Subject: Re: Mac Font Converter or source Message-ID: <1994Jun4.153636.1034@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. References: <2shdhe$hob@bigfoot.wustl.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 15:36:36 GMT In article <2shdhe$hob@bigfoot.wustl.edu> mrb@earth.wustl.edu (Mike Bray) writes: > Our users have Macintosh Microsoft Word documents they want > to fax to the world on demand. We can get rtf and/or > postscript > files on the NeXT, but the NeXT doesn't have the "Palatino" > or "New Century Schoolbook" fonts which are necessary > for the documents to come out properly. We haven't had > much success using mac to next font converters and > were wondering if there were any suggestions out there. > We'd be happy to buy the fonts for the NeXT if someone > could point us to a vendor. > Thanks, > Mike Bray > National Outdoor Leadership School > mrb@nols.edu > 907-745-4047 Actually, All the type faces that are part of the LaserWriter II and later (avant garde, palatino, new century schoolbook, bookman, etc) are part of the Adobe Plus pack. They at least used to sell this package for NeXTSTEP (I know 'cause I own a copy). The NeXTSTEP ones do come with appropriate bitmaps so stuff looks good at normal point sizes. david john
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@myxa.com Subject: Re: Defragging the swapfile Message-ID: <Cr07pn.AE@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <2sva4s$cna@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 01:48:59 GMT In article <2sva4s$cna@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) writes: As another suggestion, how about putting something in so that the Windowserver "exits" automatically in the wee hours if nobody's logged in? Unless this would have some dire consequences I'm not aware of, it could at least free up some of the swapfile if the WindowServer has some pages at the end of it. It wouldn't be as drastic as rebooting, but would restart one of the largest and longest-running processes without being really disruptive. -- Jonathan W. Hendry tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar" Edward R. Murrow
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 7 Jun 1994 02:16:29 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2t0l9t$pe0@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <4hwqNGe00iV8E45PQX@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun6.230024.5152@millennium.com> Keywords: Jayson Adams@??? Jayson Adams writes: >No duh. The issue was does the OS reclaim swapfile space that's no longer >being used. Come on, we're talking at cross purposes. If we are more clear what we mean, here, it will probably help. (A little ESP would go a long way, too. :~) It has been stated time and time again, and evidence presented, and supporting statements from Avie posted, that "space that's no longer being used" *is* reclaimed. I've been assuming all along, then, that Jayson and others who say this really mean "space that's no longer being used by any active process, but is still flagged as active in the VM system." Therefore, we're not at all talking about a bug with the swap system, but with leaky application-level code which, if it ran on any other UNIX, would cause the same behavior. (Some people are also talking about the volume of VM consumed by NEXTSTEP as compared to, say, ancient SunOS with tty or primitive X-window interfaces. I think it's safe to say that NEXTSTEP is definitely more VM intensive that such environments, and almost completely justifiably so given what it does and how it does it. The same is true of Sun's modern Solaris 2.x environment, as I can personally attest.) What some people are, in effect, asking for, then, is the inclusion in NEXTSTEP of a feature not implemented by any UNIX vendor that I know of, i.e. some kind of auto garbage collection routine. It would definitely be nice to have, in certain circumstances, but is not a quick hack to implement, nor would it fail to exact a performance penalty. Nor is NeXT somehow grossly at fault for not implementing such a feature. However, if it is such a feature that some folks want, then we should discuss it clearly and correctly, rather than talking about bugs that do not exist, and using terminology that serves only to get each others' goats. Not intending to single Jayson out explicitly here, but using his comment as a case in point... Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Re: ** MOSAIC for NeXT ** Message-ID: <Cr09tD.Buq@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <CqzrGy.L2I@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 02:33:12 GMT In article <CqzrGy.L2I@cbnewse.cb.att.com> cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib) writes: > > Does anybody knows where can I find a NeXTSTEP version of > MOSAIC? > > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Dib > dib@ihlpe.att.com hehehehehe try Omniweb.app at ftp.omnigroup.com It's only a beta, but in many ways superior to Mosaic and you don't need XWindows to run it. (Mosaic is an X App)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun4.122230.322@prim.demon.co.uk> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <YhvgIUu00iUxM8Bsgy@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun4.000145.24620@adobe.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 12:22:30 GMT In article <1994Jun4.000145.24620@adobe.com> caro@mv.us.adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) writes: > >I don't mean to pick on you. It's just that it's a common >misconception that PostScript makes NEXTSTEP slow, or that PostScript >is a memory hog. Your comments offered me an opportunity to rectify >and demystify, that's all. It's not entirely a misconception. I recently worked on a large application which was perceived to be slow. Nearly all of the time was being spent in the window server. There was a limit to how much of this could be optimised away. Now I've no way of knowing what it would have been like under X for instance, all I know is that it was slow under NS. It may well be that the window server is highly optimised. But try attaching to it under gdb and getting some stack traces. Even for "simple" things like displaying characters they are huge! Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: nxps2ai - slight problem, now fixed Message-ID: <Jun7.074140.34467@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 07:41:40 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada Keywords: darn bugs Hi: The recently-submitted "nxps2ai" script, mentioned in comp.sys.next.announce, and found on cs.orst.edu, had some "problems" with the archive, of uncertain cause (sigh). They were fixed (or appeared to be) by a resubmission, currently sitting in the submissions directory. Then I found a bug in the output (sigh), due to a quirk in "pft" (the input does not have to be flushed, but the _output_ does), which was tolerated by Virtuoso, but not Adobe Illustrator (oddly enough). Anyway, it is now fixed, and you can now find the repaired version as: nxps2ai_USE_THIS_ONE.tar.Z (/usr/bin/sum: 28834 41) nxps2ai_USE_THIS_ONE_README Currently in the submissions directory on cs.orst.edu. They were tarred and compressed using the versions distributed with v.3.1 of NEXTSTEP, and download and decompress fine for me. Hopefully these will migrate, and be copied over the (apparently) corrupted version currently in /pub/next/sources/graphics. To be sure you have the correct version, check for indication of "VERSION 0.5" in the slightly improved README file. Sorry for the inconvenience for anyone who unsuccessfully attempted to retrieve it the first time. It really _does_ work fairly well. Honest! (although I am still not promising anything) :-) Thanks for your patience, and enjoy. On a related note, what is the status of the various incompatibilities with the various versions of tar and compress found in the GNU and the standard NEXTSTEP distributions (some of which are the GNU versions)? I seem to be getting, ah, inconsistent results. Is there any strategy that can ensure everyone can retrieve the files? (short of not using tar and compress :-)) -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca
From: Joe Gross <jgross@uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Defragging the swapfile Date: 7 Jun 1994 09:41:32 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2t1fcc$dbv@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2sva4s$cna@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <Cr07pn.AE@dsinc!flash> flash!jon@myxa.com writes: >As another suggestion, how about putting something in so that the Windowserver >"exits" automatically in the wee hours if nobody's logged in? Unless this would >have some dire consequences I'm not aware of, it could at least free up some >of the swapfile if the WindowServer has some pages at the end of it. >It wouldn't be as drastic as rebooting, but would restart one of the largest >and longest-running processes without being really disruptive. i haven't tried this (i'm 150 miles away from the nearest NeXT) but what if you go into console mode by typing "console" from the login prompt? will that kill the window server? -- Joe Gross | University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign jgross@uiuc.edu | <a href=http://mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu/~jgross>me</a>
From: salzer@loria.fr (Gernot Salzer) Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: LaTeX/Postscript fonts for linguistic (IPA) symbols? Date: 7 Jun 1994 10:07:05 GMT Organization: CRIN/INRIA Lorraine, Nancy, France Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2t1gs9$8hq@muller.loria.fr> References: <CqzAsq.Fs@das.harvard.edu> <FURUFURU.94Jun7133158@kongming.ccsr.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <FURUFURU.94Jun7133158@kongming.ccsr.u-tokyo.ac.jp>, furufuru@ccsr.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Furue Ryo) writes: |> In article <CqzAsq.Fs@das.harvard.edu> kochhar@endor.harvard.edu (Sandeep Kochhar) writes: |> |> | hi! |> | While the LaTeX book by Leslie Lamport does list a lot of |> | mathematical and accented symbols, it still is missing a lot |> | of symbols used by linguists (including the International Phonetic |> | Association or IPA symbols)... |> | Does anyone know if these are available at all in TeX/LaTeX already, |> | or are they available in font libraries (postscript?) that can be |> | used with LaTeX? |> |> I'm also much interested in phonetic symbols for LaTeX. So... |> |> | Please reply via email if possible, since I don't frequently read |> | this group.... |> |> ...please also post the reply. |> |> Thanks, |> Ryo FURUE Below part of my private FAQs. Gernot Salzer QUESTION: Can anyone tell me where I can find a phonetic font (preferably in metafont)? arjank@cs.kun.nl (Arjan Knijff) ANSWERS: According to Liam Quinn's list of fonts for Metafont there is an IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) font in Metafont format. It says: Used by linguists, and also in some dictionaries. It's designed to go with Computer Modern. From WSU. phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker) You can get the source by ftp to cougar.csc.wsu.edu in the text1.wsuipa directory. guenther@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu (Dean Guenther) QUESTION: I downloaded the package Phonetic.tar.Z from csli.stanford.edu. This package provides the International Phonetic Alphabet as MetaFont source, and a style file for LaTeX 2.09. Not surprisingly the style file does not work with NFSS2. Has anyone already solved this problem? alm@hep.ph.soton.ac.uk ANSWERS: I had done some preliminary work but have never installed it in the ftp directory because I was not satisfied with it. However, the daring may take a poke at it now. See pub/TeXfiles/nfss2-prelim.tar.Z at csli.stanford.edu ps. I've also placed a preliminary version of phonetic-nfss1.sty which does the same for nfss1 in the ftp directory. Again proceed at your own risk. emma@csli.stanford.edu (Emma Pease)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shayman@Objectario.com (Steve Hayman) Subject: Restarting Window Server automatically (was Re: Why does NS require so much Memory?) Message-ID: <1994Jun7.043506.1532@objectario.com> Sender: shayman@objectario.com Organization: Steve Hayman + Associates / NeXTSTEP Consulting / Toronto References: <2t0l9t$pe0@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 04:35:06 GMT Here's one thing you could try. Install a shell script as a logout hook, and have that shell script track down and kill the existing WindowServer. loginwindow notices the death of this process, and it exits itself and restarts a new window server. You can get the same effect by logging in as user "exit", but if you want this to be automatic, create a little script like this and call it /usr/local/bin/logouthook #!/bin/sh # logouthook # Track down and kill the window server when the user logs out. # This will cause a new window server to be started, which should # result in reclaiming any memory that the previous window server # has allocated. The effect is the same as logging in as "exit" # on the console, only this way it's automatic. # # steve_hayman@objectario.com # jun 7 1993 ws=`ps ax | grep [W]indowServer | awk '{print $1}'` kill -TERM $ws exit 0 and then do this (as root) dwrite loginwindow LogoutHook /usr/local/bin/logouthook I just tried this and it works OK, the appropriate processes seem to exit nicely and restart themselves. So if you are concerned about window server memory leaks, you might want to add a script like this to kill/restart the window server every time you log out. I don't think there's any harm in that, but am willing to be proven wrong. Regards, Steve --- Steve Hayman shayman@Objectario.com Steve Hayman & Associates, Toronto, Ontario (416) 769-8995 NeXTSTEP Consulting
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca (Terry Wilcox) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <Cr017E.GKB@arcane.calgary.ab.ca> Sender: terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca (Terry Wilcox) Organization: Arcane Systems Ltd. References: <1994Jun5.203807.3643@millennium.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 23:28:26 GMT Jayson Adams writes In article <CqxHvq.D61@arcane.calgary.ab.ca>, Terry Wilcox writes: >> I just wish I had DPS on my X-terminal. I want my fonts to work >> correctly. > >You don't need DPS to use fonts. I forgot. I meant easily using fonts. I hate: adobe-times-*-*-*-180-*-what-the-hell-is-this? or is that X's fault alone? > >> I want a drawing program that can really scale and rotate text. > >You don't need DPS to scale and rotate text. > But it couldn't hurt. Currently I can rotate little boxes where the text should be. What I would really like is consistency. Every X/Motif app I use is different because each one has a different graphics standard. If DPS is so bad, how come Draw.app is better than any publicly available X drawing app I can find? Terry Wilcox -- Terry Wilcox (terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca) `Some praise at morning what they blame at night; But always think the last opinion right.' - Alexander Pope
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 5 Jun 1994 20:55:28 GMT Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD Message-ID: <2ste40$s7v@network.ucsd.edu> References: <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: : In article <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: : >operations. I've run NeXTSTEP on an 8-meg machine with a 20-meg swapfile : >(mostly compiling and writing), and had to reboot it once in 4 months, : >because a program I wrote (forking) got out of hand. : > : >Your mileage may vary, but claiming the machine will crash because the : >swapfile doesn't shrink is...indefensible. :-) : 1) swap file does not shrink : 2) normal operation (I'm a developer) makes my swapfile grow : 3) disk is finite : Sooner or later you get the familiar old vm error on the console. I don't have much NS experience, but the man page for "swaptab(5)" shows these options: =============== DESCRIPTION The /etc/swaptab file contains entries for files that can be enabled for system paging/swapping. This file is read automatically by the mach_swapon(8) command at system startup time. If you change this file, the changes will not take effect until the system is rebooted. An entry for a paging file consists of a line of the follow- ing form: file [option[,option]...] [# comment] file is the pathname of the file to page into option is one of: prefer Enable this file as a "preferred" paging area. The system will pre- ferentially allocate space in this paging file over non-preferred pag- ing files. noauto Do not enable this file when mach_swapon -a is called. lowat=size Attempt to shrink the file down to the low water mark, size, when pag- ing resources are freed. If size equals zero, then the paging file does not shrink as resources are freed. hiwat=size Do not grow the paging file above the high water mark, size. If size is zero then the file will grow as large as needed. ============ It appears that "lowat" and "hiwat" supposedly do what you ask. If "hiwat" is set to some value then according to the documentation you ought to have a hard-maximum size, just as in a SunOS swap partition, except you can easily change the number. And "lowat" purports to shrink the swapfile. Are you saying that these do not function properly in NextStep? On our black 3.2 machine, we have "lowat" set to 16 megs, but no "hiwat". Perhaps that is the default. If there is a long term memory leak in a long-running process, then maybe one ought to set "hiwat". -- -Matt Kennel mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu -Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego -*** AD: Archive for nonlinear dynamics papers & programs: FTP to -*** lyapunov.ucsd.edu, username "anonymous".
From: indy@ih-nxt07.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Weintz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 5 Jun 1994 21:27:16 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Distribution: world Message-ID: <2stfvk$3vi@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Jun5.192810.18696@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> In article <1994Jun5.192810.18696@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: [...] > My understanding of it is far from perfect, but this is what > I see: > > 1) The swapfile does not shrink > 2) In practice, it grows to immense size > 3) If you don't have a large disk, then you can easily fill > up all available space. > 4) page outs begin to fail > 5) page ins then begin to fail > > Now, if your program paging in is something like netinfo, > you're hung. You're basically out of memory, and when > a system that requires dynamic memory allocation can't > get any more memory, programs die. > > I have not simulated this, but I do have memories of machines > crashing/hanging when they run out of swap. I suppose the > thing to do would be to simulate this, and see how long > the machine can operate with the disk 100% full. > > Does anyone know what happens when the WindowServer fails > on paging out/paging in? OK, I run a NeXTdimension system and I do a lot of rendering, image processing and animations, so i know something about swapfiles. (If you don't know, ND systems use 32 bits per pixel and so their memory demands are correspondingly enormous.) I recieved my machine with a 425 MB drive, which after being stuffed full of apps had 30-80MB free for /tmp and swap. I regularly run multiple graphics apps while working on several jobs at once, some of which generate 4-20MB of temp files while rendering, etc., and i became accustomed to rebooting my machine 4-5 times a day. (I believe this is why there's a "Restart" button placed so prominently on the 3.2 login panel ;-) When the file system filled up, i got console error messages like "page-out failed! inode = 28 file system full", everything slowed to a stop, and finally I was either logged out automatically or I gave up and rebooted. Later i got a 2.1GB drive and turned the 425MB in to a swapdrive (All of it). For the first week my machine was crashing hard whenever the swapfile filled up, and I was going bananas. I mean it would lock up so hard I had to hit alt-cmd-*. I paid $X,XXX for THIS?! Then a kind net.soul pointed me to the rc.swap file. NeXT has hard-wired a 40MB hiwat in there. I editied the rc.swap file to reflect my new amount of swap space and lo, the crashing stopped. Currently, even under the worst abuse, my swapfile has grown to only (:-)) 180MB. This may demonstrate why NeXT opted for the solution they chose: fixed swapfiles cause even more trouble (but then, why is the rc.swap file still that way it is?) I still occasionally bring my system to its knees with big rendering jobs and multiple graphics tasks, but it's more a matter of too many processes or too huge a process (for example, a 640x480 RenderMan image at very high resolution with 10 objects, 15 texture maps, fractals, shadows and reflections :-). The swapdrive just thrashes for days and the system slows to a crawl. But it stays running. If i behave myself and limit the number of simultaneous processes I can postpone such things. I haven't tried doing the sorts of things i do on my ND on comparable systems, such as a Quadra 950, Sparc5 or Indigo, so i have no feel for their "choke-ability". The macs i have used to experiment with 3D rendering have cracked far earlier than my NeXT, however. None of this is an excuse for leaving such a problem unfixed, and "buying more storage and RAM" isn't good enough either. But it does work. -- -- Steve Weintz * EthnoGraphics a NeXTSTEP-based multimedia shop serving indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu * (217) 328-4803 serving anthropologists and others "They were disappointed because the formidable writ of arrest, with symbolic flame-etched runes on a scroll of human skin, was now useless..." C. A. Smith
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.203807.3643@millennium.com> Keywords: You don't need DPS Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <1994Jun5.051223.3378@millennium.com> <CqxHvq.D61@arcane.calgary.ab.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 20:38:07 GMT In article <CqxHvq.D61@arcane.calgary.ab.ca>, Terry Wilcox writes: > Jayson Adams writes > >Of course you don't need DPS to create a nice GUI. Choosing DPS (or > >at least buffered windows) was probably one of the biggest mistakes > >they made. > > [Blah, blah, blah] > > I just wish I had DPS on my X-terminal. I want my fonts to work > correctly. You don't need DPS to use fonts. > I want a drawing program that can really scale and rotate text. You don't need DPS to scale and rotate text. DPS is perhaps the elegant solution to drawing on the screen (in the sense that both your screen and printer are speaking the same language), but it's not a necessity. __jayson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.204437.3714@millennium.com> Keywords: What a joke! Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 20:44:37 GMT In article <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS > require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? > [ ..munch.. ] > > That, and having to reboot your machine because the damn OS doesn't > > reclaim swap space. > > I agree that having the swapfile shrink would be great. > > However, NEXTSTEP's growing swapfile is certainly no worse then every > other Unix OS, all of which require you to dedicate large physical > partitions of your disks for swap areas. You can't reduce their > swapspace usage by rebooting; instead, you must rebuild the drive with > different partition sizes. OK, so it's alright for NEXTSTEP to work this way because everyone else's UNIX is worse? NEXTSTEP's philosophy is one of doing the right thing, even if it's difficult programming-wise. That's why the AppKit, Distributed Objects, etc. work so well and do such amazing stuff. I'm sorry, but they've dropped the ball on this swapfile thing. > Finally, if you want to solve the growing swapfile problem, all you have > to do is get a small drive (say a used 105MB, which'll cost about $100 > w/o the case), and use it as a swapdisk. I now use a 250MB Seagate > (which came with my slab) as a swapdisk, and my system has been > noticably faster when paging. > It's also been more reliable: OK, please don't anyone in this group propose this as a solution again. I've seen it suggested before and it's absurd. You're telling me to outfit all of my machines with a second hard drive to get around a bug in the operating system? __jayson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.205510.3790@millennium.com> Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 20:55:10 GMT In article <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu>, Sean O. Luke writes: > Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: > > : The fact that NEXTSTEP doesn't ever shrink the swapfile is simply > : indefensible. This implies that sooner or later, through normal > : usage, your computer will crash if you use NEXTSTEP. No getting > : around it (except to have TONS and TONS of RAM). > > Nonsense. You're somehow assuming some of this swapspace is lost. If it's > lost, then you're gonna run out of room on your swap partitions as well. > The swapfile only grows if you're using operations that take up more memory > than it can provide. Normal usage will not do this, unless your "normal > usage" is big-time Mathematica computations or large, bit-heavy graphics > operations. I've run NeXTSTEP on an 8-meg machine with a 20-meg swapfile > (mostly compiling and writing), and had to reboot it once in 4 months, > because a program I wrote (forking) got out of hand. > > Your mileage may vary, but claiming the machine will crash because the > swapfile doesn't shrink is...indefensible. :-) I hardly call running cc and Edit "normal usage" -- that's about the same as leaving it at the login panel. Try faxing or previewing documents, running a bunch of apps, etc., you know, stuff you need to do when you're using NEXTSTEP as a business computer (which is what I think they're trying to push it as now). > : >Finally, if you want to solve the growing swapfile problem, all you have > : >to do is get a small drive (say a used 105MB, which'll cost about $100 > : >w/o the case), and use it as a swapdisk. I now use a 250MB Seagate > : >(which came with my slab) as a swapdisk, and my system has been > : >noticably faster when paging. > > : I have a better solution: have NeXT fix the bug. > > It's more complex than that--it's a major efficiency problem compacting a > swapfile. If you'd like your programs to hang for minutes on end while > NeXTSTEP is cleaning the swapfile up, and maybe add some fragmentation to > your system while doing it, you're welcome to it. I prefer manual > shrinking. Umm, who said anything about compacting? Why can't the OS just keep track of the "holes" in the swapfile (holes created by processes that allocated VM and have since disappeared)? When a process needs swap space, reuse the holes rather than tacking more space onto the end of the swapfile. __jayson
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 17:58:01 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <MhwYddC00iUyI2EAMA@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun5.192810.18696@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Darcy BROCKBANK@cs.mcgil > My understanding of it is far from perfect, but this is what > I see: > > 1) The swapfile does not shrink True. > 2) In practice, it grows to immense size False. The swapfile grows to the highest virtual memory usage. It does not grow further (unless you exceed the previous VM high water mark). > 3) If you don't have a large disk, then you can easily fill > up all available space. Typical usage seems to grow the swapfile up to about 30 - 40 MB, give or take. If you don't have 40 MB available, then you will run into problems. If you do have 40 MB available, you won't run into problems. Simple. > 4) page outs begin to fail True. > 5) page ins then begin to fail False. Page ins shouldn't fail unless you encounter a hardware failure in your drive. > Now, if your program paging in is something like netinfo, > you're hung. You're basically out of memory, and when > a system that requires dynamic memory allocation can't > get any more memory, programs die. Exactly. Don't run out of swap space and you won't run into problems. > I have not simulated this, but I do have memories of machines > crashing/hanging when they run out of swap. I suppose the > thing to do would be to simulate this, and see how long > the machine can operate with the disk 100% full. > > Does anyone know what happens when the WindowServer fails > on paging out/paging in? The WindowServer really doesn't like to run out of VM (ie, having page-outs fail). It generally crashes, logging the user out, and sometimes taking the system along with it. You can help the WindowServer reduce its memory usage by logging in as 'exit' every so often (4 days to a week is what I do), which will restart the WindowServer. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 18:12:30 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4hwYrCe00iUyQ2EAsA@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun5.202154.20681@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 More on swapping... by Darcy BROCKBANK@cs.mcgil > More data (since I forgot some in the previous post)... all > machines here have 32M RAM. I don't know the exact mechanism > behind the swapfile.front stuff. I do know that it is > a mount of type 'swapfs' of the swapfile. There appears to be some > handwaving, so I won't rule out that somehow the size for the > swapfile.front isn't real... this is for someone that knows > about this stuff to say. If they aren't real, then the > situation isn't as dramatic. Given that these machines > have been up for only a couple days though, it's still > a little depressing... From NeXT's documentation: mount_swapfs is a command invoked by mount(8) to mount the swapfs filesystem. The swapfs filesystem is used for optim- izing swap performance and disk usage. mount_swapfs is not intended to be launched directly. Instead, you can invoke this command through mount(8) by using the "-t swapfs" option. backfile is the name of the backing store which the swapfs filesystem will write into. frontfile is the name of the mount point where the swapfs filesystem will be mounted. The swapfs only contains one file, and it will appear at the named mount point. swapfs is literally the characters in "swapfs". opts are the mount options passed from mount(8). They are ignored by mount_swapfs. Basically, the swapfile.front is the uncompressed version of the actual compressed swapfile. The size of 'swapfile' is how much physical disk space is actually being used, and the size of 'swapfile.front' is how big it would be if compression was not used. For example, you write: > This is a 486/66 that's being used for development. There's nobody > currently at the console, and the machine has been up for 5 days: > > total 75322 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 May 31 09:13 ./ > drwxrwxr-x 11 root 1024 Oct 22 1993 ../ > -rw------t 1 root 29335552 Jun 4 16:08 swapfile > -rw------t 1 root 47767552 Jun 4 16:08 swapfile.front You are using 30MB of physical drive space with the compressed swapfile, and would be using almost 50MB without compression. RE: The Sun machine. Are you certain that you aren't also swapping to /dev/rsd1b? Unless you have reformatted the boot drive, you should know that Sun ships their drives configured with a 32MB swap partition in 'b'. 'a' is the root (/) partition (typically 16 MB), and 'g' and 'h' are /usr and /home. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: More on swapping... Message-ID: <1994Jun5.221752.24954@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1994Jun5.202154.20681@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2steir$s7v@network.ucsd.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 22:17:52 GMT In article <2steir$s7v@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes: >Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: >: Now, if anyone thinks that NEXTSTEP has adequate, or >: even competitive technology in swapfile management compared >: to Sun, then they're mistaken. Sun obviously figured things out. > >I don't know about Solaris, but on SunOS 4.1.x you have to create >a "blank" file with "mkfile(8)" of a fixed size and then swap on that. >Just like a fixed partition. Boy, just when I thought I was getting better at avoiding sweeping generalizations ;-). Ow. - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.222657.25259@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1994Jun5.192810.18696@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2stfvk$3vi@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 22:26:57 GMT In article <2stfvk$3vi@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> indy@jg.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Weintz) writes: >In article <1994Jun5.192810.18696@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy >BROCKBANK) writes: >[...] >> My understanding of it is far from perfect, but this is what >> I see: >> >> 1) The swapfile does not shrink >> 2) In practice, it grows to immense size >> 3) If you don't have a large disk, then you can easily fill >> up all available space. >> 4) page outs begin to fail >> 5) page ins then begin to fail >> >"page-out failed! inode = 28 file system full", everything slowed to a stop, and >finally I was either logged out automatically or I gave up and rebooted. "logged out automatically" is a WindowServer crash. But what you describe are the symptoms of what happens when you run out of swap space, which was what I was getting at before when I said that your machine will crash under normal usage. Of course, if you have 600M free on your disk, then this is pushed way off into the future. Maybe many moons. In practice, a 500M disk, with NS dev on it, and a user's home directory is a prime candidate for swapfile woes. >None of this is an excuse for leaving such a problem unfixed, and "buying more >storage and RAM" isn't good enough either. But it does work. Exactly... - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jayson Adams Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.233730.3993@millennium.com> Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 23:37:30 GMT In article <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger writes: > > I don't understand how either of you can claim NeXT's swapfile behavior > is a bug. > > Like every other page-based virtual memory operating system, NeXT's Mach > kernel needs to have a backing store for performing paging operations. > When you run out of swap space, the system has *absolutely* no recourse; > there simply is no space for the page to be saved. The kernel then has > to terminate the process that was being paged out and had a page of > memory permenently lost. This may unfortunately result in your system > going down when the WorkSpace or some other critical component gets > killed. I don't think you quite understand the situation. You're exactly right in that if I have 105MB of swap space and all of my running processes require more than that, I'm hosed. The bug is that when I quit an app that has been partially swapped out, the space it takes up in the swapfile isn't reclaimed (well, more precisely, if an app I'm running adds 40 mb to the swap file, then some other app starts up and adds let's say a page to the end of the swap file, when I quit the first app, the now unused 40mb isn't reclaimed because the second app is still running). Typing "exit" in the WindowServer won't make this problem go away, unless you're very lucky. The real solution is that NEXTSTEP should be smart about truncating and reclaiming space in the swap file. __jayson
From: damonc@hookup.net (Damon F. Cooper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TransSys PNI Key Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 01:51:55 GMT Organization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Oakville, Ontario, CANADA Message-ID: <damonc.10.2DF2813B@hookup.net> Anybody have that TransSys PNI SLIP authorization key extention that was posted by TransSys a couple weeks ago? (and instructions on how to install it?) Thanks! Damon Cooper damonc@hookup.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: sjones@netcom.com (Scott M. Jones) Subject: Re: How to make image copy of floppy? Message-ID: <sjonesCqyCKw.A5A@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <westesCqwBqq.GyM@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 01:38:55 GMT Will Estes (westes@netcom.com) wrote: : I need to make an image dump and restore of a foreign floppy on my : NeXTSTEP 3.2 FIP system. The command that I was given for a SunOS : system was: : dd if=/dev/diskette of=outfile : I tried the following under NS FIP 3.2: : dd if=/dev/fd0a of=outfile : but this fails with: : read: I/O error : 0+0 records in : 0+0 records out This works for me with the command: dd if=/dev/rfd0b of=outfile When it's done dd will report 2880 "blocks" written for a 1.44MB device. If you are _writing_ to the floppy, I suggest you unmount the disk from Workspace first (choose 'eject' even though it probably doesn't actually eject the disk on your system). If you access /dev/rfd0b without mounting it in Workspace first, use the command: disk -e /dev/rfd0b to be able to use your floppy from Workspace again. See the man page for fd(4) for an explanation of the 'b' partition on a floppy. Caveat: I tried both reading and writing myself. It's _annoyingly_ slow. -- ----- Scott sjones@netcom.com
From: burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 01:57:25 GMT Organization: Brown University Message-ID: <2stvq5$f2i@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <1994Jun5.222657.25259@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Just for what it's worth...I write my swapfile size to a logfile in /usr/local/adm every three hours from cron (at the same time I'm rebuilding the 'find' hashtable and similar bookkeeping). The swapfile DOES in fact shrink now and then, just not very well. NeXTcube mono, still running 2.1, 24 MB physical memory, infinite disk space (a 1.7 GB drive now 52% full): At 00:29:07 on May 6, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 03:29:45 on May 6, swapfile was 36839424 bytes long. At 06:29:33 on May 6, swapfile was 38207488 bytes long. At 09:29:46 on May 6, swapfile was 38207488 bytes long. At 12:29:41 on May 6, swapfile was 38207488 bytes long. At 15:29:24 on May 6, swapfile was 38207488 bytes long. <reboot> At 18:28:27 on May 6, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 21:29:16 on May 6, swapfile was 31236096 bytes long. At 00:29:55 on May 7, swapfile was 31236096 bytes long. At 03:29:15 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 06:29:22 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 09:29:18 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 12:29:19 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 15:29:16 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 18:27:40 on May 7, swapfile was 32964608 bytes long. At 21:28:57 on May 7, swapfile was 34783232 bytes long. At 00:28:58 on May 8, swapfile was 34783232 bytes long. At 03:28:56 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 06:29:11 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 09:28:59 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 12:28:07 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 15:28:15 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 18:28:32 on May 8, swapfile was 38821888 bytes long. At 21:28:03 on May 8, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 00:27:47 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 03:29:03 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 06:29:06 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 09:28:59 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 12:29:00 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 15:29:03 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 18:27:54 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 21:29:01 on May 9, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 00:28:59 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 03:29:05 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 06:29:02 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 09:29:02 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 12:28:59 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 15:29:01 on May 10, swapfile was 43311104 bytes long. At 18:34:35 on May 10, swapfile was 46374912 bytes long. At 21:29:09 on May 10, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 00:28:18 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 03:29:09 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 06:29:03 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 09:29:00 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 12:28:59 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 15:28:43 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 18:29:17 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 21:29:08 on May 11, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. At 00:29:55 on May 12, swapfile was 53600256 bytes long. <reboot> At 03:29:04 on May 12, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 06:29:05 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 09:29:12 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 12:29:14 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 15:29:04 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 18:29:04 on May 12, swapfile was 33341440 bytes long. At 21:27:31 on May 12, swapfile was 39911424 bytes long. At 00:28:32 on May 13, swapfile was 39911424 bytes long. At 03:27:36 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 06:29:06 on May 13, swapfile was 40321024 bytes long. At 09:29:00 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 12:29:01 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 15:28:12 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 18:29:01 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 21:29:08 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 00:27:53 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 03:29:03 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 06:29:16 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 09:29:05 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 12:29:01 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 15:27:44 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 18:31:12 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 21:27:32 on May 14, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 00:28:13 on May 15, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. At 03:29:00 on May 15, swapfile was 44621824 bytes long. At 06:29:02 on May 15, swapfile was 44621824 bytes long. At 09:28:57 on May 15, swapfile was 44621824 bytes long. <reboot> At 12:29:11 on May 15, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 15:28:59 on May 15, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 18:25:43 on May 15, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 21:26:58 on May 15, swapfile was 40099840 bytes long. At 00:26:20 on May 16, swapfile was 40099840 bytes long. At 03:27:57 on May 16, swapfile was 34103296 bytes long. At 06:29:06 on May 16, swapfile was 34103296 bytes long. At 09:32:11 on May 16, swapfile was 34103296 bytes long. At 12:29:03 on May 16, swapfile was 34103296 bytes long. <reboot> At 15:28:34 on May 16, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 18:28:11 on May 16, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 21:28:07 on May 16, swapfile was 36323328 bytes long. At 00:28:58 on May 17, swapfile was 36323328 bytes long. At 03:29:02 on May 17, swapfile was 39165952 bytes long. At 06:29:00 on May 17, swapfile was 39247872 bytes long. At 09:29:00 on May 17, swapfile was 39247872 bytes long. At 12:29:01 on May 17, swapfile was 39247872 bytes long. At 15:28:45 on May 17, swapfile was 36069376 bytes long. At 18:29:12 on May 17, swapfile was 54878208 bytes long. At 21:28:20 on May 17, swapfile was 72531968 bytes long. At 00:28:58 on May 18, swapfile was 72531968 bytes long. At 03:28:40 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 06:29:03 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 09:28:58 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 12:29:05 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 15:28:04 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 18:29:06 on May 18, swapfile was 81944576 bytes long. At 21:29:03 on May 18, swapfile was 83025920 bytes long. At 00:27:58 on May 19, swapfile was 82411520 bytes long. At 03:27:33 on May 19, swapfile was 82411520 bytes long. At 06:29:04 on May 19, swapfile was 82411520 bytes long. At 09:29:14 on May 19, swapfile was 82411520 bytes long. <reboot> At 12:28:37 on May 19, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 15:29:10 on May 19, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 18:29:10 on May 19, swapfile was 21757952 bytes long. At 21:29:11 on May 19, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 00:28:59 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 03:29:14 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 06:29:03 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 09:29:02 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 12:29:07 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 15:28:47 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 18:28:28 on May 20, swapfile was 42967040 bytes long. At 21:29:23 on May 20, swapfile was 48627712 bytes long. At 00:28:39 on May 21, swapfile was 48627712 bytes long. At 03:29:09 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 06:29:07 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 09:28:59 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 12:28:20 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 15:27:44 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 18:29:01 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 21:27:58 on May 21, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 00:37:28 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 03:29:07 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 06:28:58 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 09:29:03 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 12:28:42 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 15:29:05 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 18:27:37 on May 22, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 21:29:04 on May 22, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 00:27:46 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 03:29:06 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 06:29:05 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 09:29:02 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 12:29:03 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. At 15:30:12 on May 23, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. <reboot> At 18:29:09 on May 23, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 21:29:05 on May 23, swapfile was 43491328 bytes long. At 00:27:49 on May 24, swapfile was 43491328 bytes long. At 03:29:05 on May 24, swapfile was 44204032 bytes long. At 06:29:07 on May 24, swapfile was 44204032 bytes long. At 09:27:34 on May 24, swapfile was 44204032 bytes long. At 12:29:06 on May 24, swapfile was 44204032 bytes long. At 15:25:09 on May 24, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 18:38:03 on May 24, swapfile was 24461312 bytes long. At 21:30:03 on May 24, swapfile was 43630592 bytes long. <reboot> At 03:26:19 on May 30, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 06:26:20 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 09:26:20 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 12:26:32 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 15:30:30 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 18:29:04 on May 30, swapfile was 32784384 bytes long. At 21:28:58 on May 30, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 00:29:30 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 03:29:15 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 06:29:23 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 09:28:00 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 12:28:48 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 15:29:26 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 18:28:57 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 21:31:46 on May 31, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 00:28:09 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 03:29:30 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 06:29:16 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 09:29:36 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 12:30:31 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 15:29:07 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 18:29:22 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 21:29:33 on Jun 1, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 00:29:48 on Jun 2, swapfile was 44982272 bytes long. At 03:29:37 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 06:29:35 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 09:29:29 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 12:29:24 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 15:31:03 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 18:29:47 on Jun 2, swapfile was 46710784 bytes long. At 21:28:14 on Jun 2, swapfile was 53329920 bytes long. At 00:29:49 on Jun 3, swapfile was 49184768 bytes long. <reboot> At 03:25:32 on Jun 3, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 06:29:32 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 09:29:31 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 12:29:24 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 15:28:54 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 18:28:59 on Jun 3, swapfile was 29057024 bytes long. At 21:33:10 on Jun 3, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. At 00:29:08 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. At 03:29:32 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41861120 bytes long. At 06:29:36 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41861120 bytes long. At 09:30:19 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41861120 bytes long. At 12:29:38 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41861120 bytes long. At 15:28:05 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. At 18:29:43 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. At 21:29:36 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. <reboot> At 00:28:48 on Jun 5, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. At 03:29:18 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 06:35:22 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 09:29:38 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 12:28:30 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 15:28:18 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 18:28:52 on Jun 5, swapfile was 38461440 bytes long. At 21:28:22 on Jun 5, swapfile was 39034880 bytes long. As you can see, it is simply not true that the swapfile never shrinks. It never shrinks _significantly_. By the way, all of these reboots were either because I was going out of town for a few days, or because I was playing with low-level stuff like SLIP config files, and needed to restart the kernel. I never reboot for swapfile reasons anymore, and I don't exit the windowserver to recover swapspace either. (I did when I had a small disk!) Earlier in the spring I left the machine running for over 90 days, and the swapfile was in the high 60's; on the other hand, you can see that a killer overnight Mathematica job on May 17-18 zapped it up to over 80 MB. I don't see why someone with 100 MB or more to spare (make that 150-200 MB if you're running a ND with 64 MB of physical RAM!) has to worry about this. For someone with less, you can take your crashes any way you like: (1) Make a partition called swapdisk, and no other swapfile, and you'll die hard when it fills. (2) Swap to a file with a hiwat and no alternative, and you'll die just as hard when you hit the hiwat. (3) Swap to a file with no hiwat, and your disk will get to 100% full, at which point your user-level writes will fail, and you'll know to reboot. (4) Swap to a file with no hiwat, keep working as root when you no longer have space to write to disk as user, and eventually your disk will get to 111.1% full, and you will HAVE to reboot, if you still can. Warning: at this point things like 'rm' and 'umount' no longer work properly, so you may have to do a real Kabuki dance to get back to a sane system. Would someone please tell me what you would LIKE NeXTstep to do about swapfiles, that is not covered by the four choices above? I think that every non-NeXT solution that I've ever seen is isomorphic to one of the above...though to be fair, if SunOS can really stay happy for months with only 16 MB, then either (a) X is as bad as I've been told, or (b) Sun is handling their fixed, limited, vulnerable swapspace with care and some delicacy. If NeXT can improve the way they handle their flexible, unlimited, robust swapspace so as to shrink things more often, of course I am all for it.... But in his eyes a still small flame +------------------------------------+ Like the first cell from which he came | Joshua W. Burton (401)435-6370 | Burns round and luminous, as he rides, | burton@het.brown.edu | Singing my song of deicides. -- Haldane +------------------------------------+
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 02:20:59 GMT Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD Message-ID: <2su16b$8n1@network.ucsd.edu> References: <2stvq5$f2i@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Joshua W. Burton (burton@het.brown.edu) wrote: : Would someone please tell me what you would LIKE NeXTstep to do about : swapfiles, that is not covered by the four choices above? I think that : every non-NeXT solution that I've ever seen is isomorphic to one of the : above...though to be fair, if SunOS can really stay happy for months : with only 16 MB, then either (a) X is as bad as I've been told, or (b) : Sun is handling their fixed, limited, vulnerable swapspace with care : and some delicacy. On SunOS the OpenWindows server is killed upon each logout. -- -Matt Kennel mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu -Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego -*** AD: Archive for nonlinear dynamics papers & programs: FTP to -*** lyapunov.ucsd.edu, username "anonymous".
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 02:49:22 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2su2ri$4nv@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: : 1) swap file does not shrink : 2) normal operation (I'm a developer) makes my swapfile grow : 3) disk is finite You're doing something weird here. The swapfile by definition recovers available memory when programs quit, even if it doesn't give it back to the file system. : Now, if you did compiles on an 8 Meg machine consistenly, : and didn't grow the swapfile, then you must me magic. : Just logging in on an 8Meg machine makes the machine : swap. Swap yes. Swap a lot, yes. Make the swapfile grow for no apparent reason, no. : To believe that this isn't a problem when users have been : complaining about this for about 4 years, is pretty wierd. What is the total VM space used by all your programs? If it's less than your swapfile space and the swapfile _still_ grows then there's a problem. I'd bet it isn't, though. : >Claiming that swap partitions are better than swapfiles for memory management : >is ludicrous. : Go back and read what I wrote. I said that swapping on a partition : is a feature. I then said that NS only allows you to swap on : a file. Now, seeing as some of us actually like "speed", and : consider it a good thing when OSs give us speed, I don't : consider swapping to a partition to be a bad thing. It's : an option, which I would like to invoke on occasion. Never did : I say that one was preferrable to another. Try reading what : I wrote before telling me what I said. You said 1) There's a problem with the swapfile growing, and 2) NeXT should supply partitioning. There's enough implication here. : >However, does anyone know what NeXT's swapdisk format is? This _is_ : >partition-based swapping, no? : As far as I know, this is swapping to a disk, and not a partition. : If you can dedicate a partition to swapping on a disk, while : using the other partitions for data, then someone should : tell us how to do it. Otherwise, allocating an entire disk : for swapping is the most inflexible configuration you can get. On most OSes, a "disk" == a "partition". For example, in SCO, you create partitions with fdisk, then assign each its own disk label, raw device, and file system. Why would the same not be the case for NS? (I'm not saying it isn't--I haven't looked into it. I'm just asking people in the know...) : "manual shrinking"? Does that refer to "rebooting"? No. There is a way (discussed earlier in this group) to shrink the swapfile from root. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 02:54:00 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2su348$4nv@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> <1994Jun5.205510.3790@millennium.com> JaysonAdams wrote: : In article <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu>, Sean O. Luke writes: : > Your mileage may vary, but claiming the machine will crash because the : > swapfile doesn't shrink is...indefensible. :-) : I hardly call running cc and Edit "normal usage" -- that's about the same as : leaving it at the login panel. Try faxing or previewing documents, running a : bunch of apps, etc., you know, stuff you need to do when you're using : NEXTSTEP as a business computer (which is what I think they're trying to push : it as now). Jayson, I know you're doing heavy-duty stuff, but I do some serious compiles and look at the differences in swapfiles. They rarely increase. There must be some difference, something more than just running cc and using Edit, that would cause this, or I'd see it too. : > It's more complex than that--it's a major efficiency problem compacting a : > swapfile. If you'd like your programs to hang for minutes on end while : > NeXTSTEP is cleaning the swapfile up, and maybe add some fragmentation to : > your system while doing it, you're welcome to it. I prefer manual : > shrinking. : Umm, who said anything about compacting? Why can't the OS just keep track of : the "holes" in the swapfile (holes created by processes that allocated VM and : have since disappeared)? When a process needs swap space, reuse the holes : rather than tacking more space onto the end of the swapfile. That's what it's supposed to do. If there's a problem here, that's a BUG for sure. I've not seen it, though. However, the previous poster's saying he wants the solution to be NeXTSTEP literally shrinking the swapfile. I.e., compacting it and rewriting it to disk. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 04:12:01 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2su7mh$dg4@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2ste40$s7v@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes: >Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: >: In article <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: >: >operations. I've run NeXTSTEP on an 8-meg machine with a 20-meg swapfile >: >(mostly compiling and writing), and had to reboot it once in 4 months, >: >because a program I wrote (forking) got out of hand. >: > >: >Your mileage may vary, but claiming the machine will crash because the >: >swapfile doesn't shrink is...indefensible. :-) >: 1) swap file does not shrink >: 2) normal operation (I'm a developer) makes my swapfile grow >: 3) disk is finite >: Sooner or later you get the familiar old vm error on the console. Is this because the swap system is broken, or because of crappy code that leaks VM? If VM is leaking, you're dead on any UNIX system on the planet. I'm like Sean, I have observed my swapfile growing, but have never seen anything that makes me believe it's because of the swap system itself. Trying to implement a dynamic swapfile shrinking process is a hard problem, and wouldn't even help if leaking VM is what's causing a lot of the growth in the first place. >I don't have much NS experience, but the man page for "swaptab(5)" >shows these options: >[...] >It appears that "lowat" and "hiwat" supposedly do what you >ask. Slight misperceptions here. >If "hiwat" is set to some value then according to the documentation >you ought to have a hard-maximum size, just as in a SunOS swap partition, >except you can easily change the number. True, hiwat places an upper limit on the growth of your swapfile. This doesn't help, though, if you have only one swapfile. When your system reaches that limit, it will die, since there is no more VM available for the next page that some system process needs. The hiwat parameter is really only useful when you have multiple swapfiles on several filesystems. It gives you a way to avoid having a growing swapfile fill a filesystem completely before things cut over to a secondary swapfile. (This assumes hiwat works; some folks are saying it doesn't, but I think it does on my NS 3.2 black slab. I'd have to check for sure, though.) >And "lowat" purports to shrink the swapfile. The shrinkage is not dynamic, it occurs only during a system boot. So it doesn't help when you've just run out of disk space because your swapfile took it all. >Are you saying that these do not function properly in NextStep? >On our black 3.2 machine, we have "lowat" set to 16 megs, but no >"hiwat". Perhaps that is the default. If there is a long term >memory leak in a long-running process, then maybe one ought to set >"hiwat". A 16MB lowat and no hiwat is indeed the default. As described above, setting hiwat will not save you from a memory leak, it will only make things die earlier. Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
From: jbn@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 94 04:04:30 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <jbn.770875470@owens.slip.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Jun5.222657.25259@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2stvq5$f2i@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> burton@het.brown.edu (Joshua W. Burton) writes: >Just for what it's worth...I write my swapfile size to a logfile in >/usr/local/adm every three hours from cron (at the same time I'm >rebuilding the 'find' hashtable and similar bookkeeping). The swapfile >DOES in fact shrink now and then, just not very well. Here's a summary of the shrinks not due to reboots I spotted in the log: At 06:29:06 on May 13, swapfile was 40321024 bytes long. At 09:29:00 on May 13, swapfile was 40034304 bytes long. (diff=286720 ~286k) At 00:26:20 on May 16, swapfile was 40099840 bytes long. At 03:27:57 on May 16, swapfile was 34103296 bytes long. (diff=5996544 ~5.99M) At 12:29:01 on May 17, swapfile was 39247872 bytes long. At 15:28:45 on May 17, swapfile was 36069376 bytes long. (diff=3178496 ~3.17M) At 21:29:03 on May 18, swapfile was 83025920 bytes long. At 00:27:58 on May 19, swapfile was 82411520 bytes long. (diff=614400 ~614k) At 15:29:05 on May 22, swapfile was 57565184 bytes long. At 18:27:37 on May 22, swapfile was 53051392 bytes long. (diff=4513792 ~4.51M) At 12:29:06 on May 24, swapfile was 44204032 bytes long. At 15:25:09 on May 24, swapfile was 20971520 bytes long. (diff=23232512 ~23.23M) At 21:28:14 on Jun 2, swapfile was 53329920 bytes long. At 00:29:49 on Jun 3, swapfile was 49184768 bytes long. (diff=4145152 ~4.14M) At 12:29:38 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41861120 bytes long. At 15:28:05 on Jun 4, swapfile was 41508864 bytes long. (diff=352256 ~352k) * I spotted 8 shrinks not due to reboots. * A total of 42319872 bytes (~42.31M) shrunk (adding all 8 such shrinkages together) * An average of 5289984 bytes (~5.28M) shrunk per shrink action not due to rebooting. * The configuration as listed in the original post, the data is from one user's: > NeXTcube mono, still running 2.1, 24 MB physical memory, > infinite disk space (a 1.7 GB drive now 52% full) 3.2 might require more swapspace than 2.1 and 3.x apps might require more as well. >Would someone please tell me what you would LIKE NeXTstep to do about >swapfiles, that is not covered by the four choices above? [the choices >were cut, consult the original post] As confirmation that the space in the swapfile is actually being reused, I wouldn't mind seeing the swapfile decrease in size when I quit a program that is paged out. I'd like to see it decrease because I also use the same disk for /tmp and sometimes I need more /tmp space than other times, so if I can get more /tmp space (since the swapfile doesn't actually have to be as big as it is) I'd like to have the space made available for /tmp. Someday I'll buy another disk for /tmp, but until that money comes rolling in, I've got to make what I've already got work as best I can. I also wouldn't mind it (if a program needs more swap space than is available) for the system to notify me nicely, telling me that the program will have to shut down because it cannot page out. I've setup my machine to have an alternate swapfile on another hard disk (which would presumably be used when the preferred one fills up or hits the hiwater mark), but I've never seen the system actually page data to this secondary file. Does this actually work? If it does, there's another reason why I'd prefer a *shrinking* swapfile as opposed to a swapfile with parts inside the file that are reused when needed--this second disk where my alternate swapfile goes is my system disk which has my homedir on it. I don't want to use up space on this disk unless I _really_ need to. I'm willing to take a system speed hit to get this "true swapfile shrinking" functionality since the HD space is more precious to me than the access time. In my opinion, this sounds like a perfect example of a preference switch set by the root user of each machine. In the swaptab somewhere there could be another keyword for whether to reuse the swapspace by not shrinking it but instead overwriting data within the file or actually removing the empty space and rewriting the file so the swapfile actually shrinks (according to a simple "ls -l" length change). It seems that some folks like it one way and others like it another, so why not please everyone and make it do both? Generally speaking, I'd like to be able to use my computer for various purposes (mostly dealing with long papers or large documents) and I'd like my computer to stay up for months without rebooting (I'd like it best if I only had to bring the machine down because of inclement weather). I've never been able to do this with my NS machine, even after quitting apps holding a lot of data (like Frame with some long documents I'm editing) followed by logging out and shutting down the WS then restarting it (by logging in as "exit"). -- No NeXTmail please
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 04:35:59 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2su93f$l8i@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2ste40$s7v@network.ucsd.edu> <1994Jun5.221433.24748@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: >First a couple of things... I've been told that SunOS >cannot shrink the swapfile. It also cannot grow the >swapfile :-). It's stuck at a fixed size. So, NeXT >is actually one-up on Sun here it appears. My comments >before were out of line, as I apparently was the one >that didn't know what he was talking about. This is precisely because normal behavior is to swap to a raw partition. By definition, a raw partition is a fixed region on a disk, and it doesn't grow or shrink. Use of the space inside a raw partition swap area could be just as inefficient as what people perceive with NEXTSTEP. >Minor self-flagellation aside, I'll proceed (hey, at least >when I spout garbage, I can admit it ;-). Kudos. :~) >In article <2ste40$s7v@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes: >>I don't have much NS experience, but the man page for "swaptab(5)" >>shows these options: > [discussion of swaptab] >>And "lowat" purports to shrink the swapfile. >So the documentation says. It does say "attempt" though. >>Are you saying that these do not function properly in NextStep? >> >>On our black 3.2 machine, we have "lowat" set to 16 megs, but no >>"hiwat". Perhaps that is the default. If there is a long term >>memory leak in a long-running process, then maybe one ought to set >>"hiwat". >The low water mark works a little bit. If you checked the >examples I posted to the net, you can see that the attempts >don't quite work. The problem is (I'm guessing here) that >if memory in the swapfile is allocated like this: >Process A : Process B : Process A >Then process B goes away, the memory that was allocated to >it can only be reused. I'm not sure if Process A goes away >then this whole block can be shrunk. True re: process B. As for process A, in practise I doubt any situation this simple ever occurs. By the time process A goes away, you've probably got a process C or D, too: Process A : Process ex-B-now-C : Process A : More process C : Process D : ... :~) >Which brings up another >problem with this virtual memory scheme... the swapfile >can get fragmented quite a bit. If this happens, I suppose >the system degrades in vm performance. Sure, somewhat. Just like your normal filesystem. And, to draw an analogy to the database world, just like tablespaces. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe any SQL database vendor (say) implements dynamically compacting tablespaces. Oracle is my main area of expertise, and I can vouch for the fact that manual reorganization of tablespaces is constantly required, to eliminate fragmentation caused by deleting/creating/resizing database tables and other constructs. >Does the high water mark work? I don't know... It is documented, >but that doesn't mean anything. NeXT traditionally ships >incomplete, incorrect or meaningless documentation. I would >wager that this one is correct though. I know it used to work, since I use it with a dual-swapfile scheme on my system. I haven't forced a hiwat test lately, though, under NS 3.2. >It's not the >same as swapping to a partition though. Someone else >said that NEXTSTEP can do this, but when it tries to >allocate memory larger than the partition size (which >it will apparently do) a system crash can result. This >is the first I've heard of this altogether. NEXTSTEP does not at all support swapping to raw partitions. If it did, though, you'd still have the same problem as today. When the partition (instead of your whole disk) ran out of space, up in smoke you would go. >What I want though is a swapfile that works properly. Whenever >it can, it should shrink. While I (from my naive viewpoint) >don't believe it's rocket science, the more I look around, >I suppose that nobody has an "insanely great" means of >handling a swapfile. At least Windows can delete the windows >swapfile when you exit to DOS :-). Yeah, but exiting Windoze back to DOS is the same as rebooting Windoze, isn't it. :~) Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll hold to my opinion that the NEXTSTEP swap system works fine, and it's memory leaks that cause all of our problems. Get rid of those (including some in the AppKit, for instance; and doesn't the window manager have some, too?), and things should be fine. >And still, with the Sun, I've never ran out of memory >with my 16M swapfile, so perhaps the vm managment is >better. Run Solaris 2.x, that'll cure that opinion. :~) Again, it's in the apps. VM management is VM management. This does not necessarily take blame away from NeXT, since it may well be that some of their non-system code is responsible for some poor VM characteristics. If so, it should be fixed. Jayson Adams' suggestion that NEXTSTEP monitor the swapfile for holes left behind by now-departed processes, and reuse them, brings something to mind: automatic garbage collection. Anyone care to share their experiences with the performance impact of such a system (e.g. Smalltalk)? Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <Jun6.043946.38373@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 04:39:46 GMT References: <MhwYddC00iUyI2EAMA@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.234643.29652@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Organization: Geology & Geophysics Dept, University of Calgary, Canada samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: >Yuck. NeXT can do better. If it were MS-Windows, I would expect >to log in as "exit" every 4 days. Out of curiousity, what happens to MS-Windows v.3.1 when you are using a "temporary swapfile" and you fill the device where it is located? I remember the results being rather nasty, although it may have been fixed. I still have not seen evidence that any other vendor of UNIX handles swapfiles in a better fashion. As for MS-Windows, there is a _large_ performance benefit to establishing a permanent swapfile instead of a filesystem one anyway. I suspect that implementing a "shrinking" swapfile that reorganized the inevitable fragmentation that will develop would cause a significant performance hit. The option may be nice in some situations (I am currently operating with only 15MB free :-)), but personally I would still opt for either purchasing a larger swap device or tolerating the occasional reboot, and keeping performance where it is. Not to mention the fact that the devotion of NeXT's resources to implementing a "shrinking" swapfile may be wasteful if they already know the performance hit would be so large most people would not want it. I would certainly be interested to know whether they (or any other vendor) have considered "shrinking" swapfile. The only feasible option I can think of that might provide "the best of both worlds" would be to have something like a daily cleanup that stopped all other tasks and de-fragmented the swapfile once a day (at the users preferred time or even at a greater fequency if desired). This would at least offer the opportunity for machines that run for extended periods to periodically shrink their swapfiles, although with some interuption in services. I do not know if this is really feasible, but might help some situations. Now, if there is evidence that NEXTSTEP is not reusing the space in the swapfile it allocates, perhaps due to bugs, that is a different story, and complaints are justified (IMHO). However, I have not yet seen evidence presented. I am sure there could be memory leaks in there somewhere, but I doubt they are significant. <Shrug> Maybe they are? Provide evidence there are significant memory leaks or the space is not being reused, and then you (and I) will have something to complain about. Does anyone know if these problems exist? -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca
From: avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 04:38:53 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> References: <1994Jun5.221433.24748@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> In article <1994Jun5.221433.24748@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > Oh well... can someone more informed than me > *please* take up this discussion, because I don't have > enough knowledge on this to come to the correct conclusion. Here's the facts on how swapfiles work: For every page in the swapfile, the kernel maintains status telling whether that page is in use or not. When a swapfile it enabled (mach_swapon), it is truncated to lowat and each page is flagged as free. When the page out daemon requests a page to be swapped out, the pager locates the first free page in the swapfile (actually, there is an algorithm to determine which swapfile is used, if more than one is enabled, but I will omit this from the discussion). The first free page is defined as the lowest numbered page. As more and more memory is consumed by processes, higher and higher numbered pages are used. When all pages in the swapfile are in use, and additional page out causes the swapfile to be extended in size. This occurs until hiwat is reached. If hiwat is reached, or if the file system is out of space, the page will be left in memory (unless there is another swapfile enabled that can be used). If the system stays in this state, it will eventually be full of dirty pages which can not be paged out. When this happens, the system comes to a grinding halt as it is forced to use fewer and fewer pages of memory (memory is filled with dirty pages that can not be paged out). Now, it gets interesting when we consider what happens when memory is freed. In particular, when a process exits or calls vm_deallocate, the VM system attempts to free any memory that was associated with the appropriate regions of virtual memory. When memory is shared, it simply makes a note that there is one fewer reference to the shared memory (or copy-on-written memory) and no further action is taken. If this is the last reference to the memory, any corresponding physical pages are freed from main memory and any corresponding pages in the swapfile are tagged as free. A subsequent allocation of page on the swapfile will most definitely reuse this page! When a page is freed, if it is the highest page in the swapfile, the swapfile will be truncated all the way down to the highest page in use (down to lowat). In practice, this happens rarely. The basic problem is that if you have a long running process use a very high number paged (e.g., if the Windowserver allocates a high numbered page) the swapfile will not get truncated until that process exits --- which could be a very long time. When this happens due to a core process (e.g., the nmserver), which cannot be restarted unless the system is rebooted, your swapfile will remain large. Still, there can be lots of free pages in the swapfile file, and rest assured they will be reused! So why don't we compact the swapfile to handle these pages that get allocated at high page numbers? Good question. We've considered doing it many times. However, it has always been considered a quite risky change (how many of YOU have debugged a virtual memory system before) and would need to be done very carefully to ensure correctness and adequate performance. As an example, it would not be acceptable to just start a compaction and cause the system to lock up as the kernel does several megabytes of I/O for the compaction. The relative merits of making this improvement has never outweighted the costs in risk and the opportunity costs of not working on other parts of the system. I'm not saying we'll never do it, I'm just saying we haven't done it yet for some carefully considered reasons. Having said all of this, why do so many people seem to have problems with their swapfiles? Here are some possible explanations: 1) Not everyone realizes just how much memory their apps use. As has been mentioned before, the Windowserver keeps backing store for all the windows (on or off screen). On 16-bit color systems this can be quite large, on 24-bit systems its downright huge! Simple images on the screen can translate into megabytes of storage. Mathematica sessions are notorious for consuming 10's or even 100's of megabytes of VM. 2) Programs occasionally have memory leaks. We work hard to be sure that the software we release does not have leaks. There's a reason we developed MallocDebug! I think we do pretty well, but I'm sure there are some bugs. For example, the Windowserver, with it's printer heritage, has long had problems with correctly managing its memory. On the printers they just "reset" the memory heap for each new job --- we can't do that. If/when the Windowserver leaks we get a double whammy since not only do we leak a small amount of memory, but the Windowserver is a long running process and tends to hog those high numbered pages. I think NEXTSTEP ISV's generally do a good job too, but it only takes one or two apps to leak memory and cause problems. 3) As many of you know, Mach has a quite advanced virtual memory scheme, which NEXTSTEP makes excellent use of. Features like copy-on-write and pageable read/write sharing can cause complex relationships between memory and how it is mapped into one or more processes. There is one known optimization that the kernel does (specifically the coalescing of adjacent memory regions when backing store has not yet been allocated --- for those of you Mach VM literate) which sometimes causes the freeing of some memory to be delayed until a process has exited. The situations when this happens are fairly rare, and worse case the memory is freed when the process exits, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is the cause of isolated problems. I personally think the Mach swapfile solution is quite good. I'm obviously biased though. Sure, there are a few things I think could be improved, but that's true of any piece of software. Overall I think we've made some reasonable trade-offs. I also think swapfile management is fairly bug-free. We know we can improve the situation is (3) above (but it is difficult). Certainly if anyone has any other possible reasons for swapfile growth, especially with concrete examples of programs, let us know so we can investigate! I'd be more than happy to read suggestions others have on improving how swapfiles work. I can't guarantee we'll implement them, but you never know! I hope this sheds a little light on the whole swapfile discussion. Somehow I think it will still continue on --- but hopefully it can be grounded with a few more facts now. Avie
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 04:43:14 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2su9h2$jhc@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.233730.3993@millennium.com> Jayson Adams writes: >In article <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger writes: >> >> I don't understand how either of you can claim NeXT's swapfile behavior >> is a bug. >> >> Like every other page-based virtual memory operating system, NeXT's Mach >> kernel needs to have a backing store for performing paging operations. >> When you run out of swap space, the system has *absolutely* no recourse; >> there simply is no space for the page to be saved. The kernel then has >> to terminate the process that was being paged out and had a page of >> memory permenently lost. This may unfortunately result in your system >> going down when the WorkSpace or some other critical component gets >> killed. >I don't think you quite understand the situation. You're exactly right in >that if I have 105MB of swap space and all of my running processes require >more than that, I'm hosed. The bug is that when I quit an app that has been >partially swapped out, the space it takes up in the swapfile isn't reclaimed >(well, more precisely, if an app I'm running adds 40 mb to the swap file, >then some other app starts up and adds let's say a page to the end of the >swap file, when I quit the first app, the now unused 40mb isn't reclaimed >because the second app is still running). Typing "exit" in the WindowServer >won't make this problem go away, unless you're very lucky. The real solution >is that NEXTSTEP should be smart about truncating and reclaiming space in the >swap file. Hang on, we're talking two different things here. Yes, you've now got a 40MB hole in your swapfile. But that now-unused space will be reused by the next bunch of processes that need VM, to the best of my understanding. The swapfile on disk does not shrink, because that page tacked on the end is holding things extended out to that size. But unused pages within should be reused just fine. If somebody can *prove* otherwise, I'll be glad to say NEXTSTEP's swap system is totally buggered, and whoever is responsible should be drawn and satired, or what have you. (Oh yeah, and should have to fix the problem, too.) Test concept: run your app that adds 40MB, then start some other puny thing and exit your 40MB app while leaving the puny thing running. Now start your 40MB app again. Does the swapfile extend by another 40MB, or is the old 40MB reused? My bet is that the swapfile does *not* extend by another 40MB, but that the old 40MB space gets recycled. *UNLESS* your 40MB app is a VM-leaker! Then you *are* hosed, and only some probably-pathetically-slow auto garbage collection system could save you. Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <si@sisnext.sf.ca.us> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 94 19:54:07 -0800 From: si@sisnext.sf.ca.us (Lawrence S. Kroll) Message-ID: <9406060354.AA02442@sisnext.uucp> Subject: Newton 1) Has anyone used a PDA like the Newton successfully and not had the need for a pencil and pocket notebook? 2) Can the Newton data be transferred to my NeXT? 3) What about compatibility with the Dancing Bear product?
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 6 Jun 1994 05:00:47 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2suahv$71f@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2ste40$s7v@network.ucsd.edu> <2su7mh$dg4@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> In article <2su7mh$dg4@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Deborah Howland <dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote: >mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes: > >>Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: >>: In article <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: >>: >operations. I've run NeXTSTEP on an 8-meg machine with a 20-meg swapfile >>: >(mostly compiling and writing), and had to reboot it once in 4 months, >>: >because a program I wrote (forking) got out of hand. >>: > >>: >Your mileage may vary, but claiming the machine will crash because the >>: >swapfile doesn't shrink is...indefensible. :-) > >>: 1) swap file does not shrink >>: 2) normal operation (I'm a developer) makes my swapfile grow >>: 3) disk is finite > >>: Sooner or later you get the familiar old vm error on the console. > >Is this because the swap system is broken, or because of crappy >code that leaks VM? If VM is leaking, you're dead on any UNIX >system on the planet. I'm like Sean, I have observed my swapfile >growing, but have never seen anything that makes me believe it's >because of the swap system itself. Trying to implement a dynamic >swapfile shrinking process is a hard problem, and wouldn't even >help if leaking VM is what's causing a lot of the growth in the >first place. > >>I don't have much NS experience, but the man page for "swaptab(5)" >>shows these options: > >>[...] > >>It appears that "lowat" and "hiwat" supposedly do what you >>ask. > >Slight misperceptions here. > >>If "hiwat" is set to some value then according to the documentation >>you ought to have a hard-maximum size, just as in a SunOS swap partition, >>except you can easily change the number. > >True, hiwat places an upper limit on the growth of your swapfile. >This doesn't help, though, if you have only one swapfile. When >your system reaches that limit, it will die, since there is no >more VM available for the next page that some system process >needs. The hiwat parameter is really only useful when you have >multiple swapfiles on several filesystems. It gives you a way to >avoid having a growing swapfile fill a filesystem completely >before things cut over to a secondary swapfile. (This assumes >hiwat works; some folks are saying it doesn't, but I think it does >on my NS 3.2 black slab. I'd have to check for sure, though.) > >>And "lowat" purports to shrink the swapfile. > >The shrinkage is not dynamic, it occurs only during a system >boot. So it doesn't help when you've just run out of disk >space because your swapfile took it all. > >>Are you saying that these do not function properly in NextStep? > >>On our black 3.2 machine, we have "lowat" set to 16 megs, but no >>"hiwat". Perhaps that is the default. If there is a long term >>memory leak in a long-running process, then maybe one ought to set >>"hiwat". > I keep reading these comments about "memory leak" in NS, but I wonder if we really need a memory leak to create the non-shrinkable swap file. I don't pretend to know the actual paging methods NS uses, but if an active running process happens to have a page swapped out into the end of the swapfile you are never going to be able to shrink the file. That process doesn't necessarily need to be the one on the screen, it could be some otherwise idle process that the pager has picked on while scrouging for memory for some other app. Jerry -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 6 Jun 1994 05:08:21 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2sub05$mbu@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <1994Jun5.202154.20681@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: >More data (since I forgot some in the previous post)... all >machines here have 32M RAM. I don't know the exact mechanism >behind the swapfile.front stuff. I do know that it is >a mount of type 'swapfs' of the swapfile. There appears to be some >handwaving, so I won't rule out that somehow the size for the >swapfile.front isn't real... this is for someone that knows >about this stuff to say. If they aren't real, then the >situation isn't as dramatic. The swapfile.front thing is an artifcat of the "swaptimizer", introduced with NS 3.1. (3.0? Can't remember.) The swaptimizer compresses all VM pages before they are written to disk, which reduces overall disk I/O involved with swapping, and reduces the real amount of disk required to store swap space. The thing you see called swapfile.front is a virtual filesystem, which is where swap pages are written. The real swapfile on disk is basically backing store for the virtual swap filesystem. So the amount of VM space being consumed is represented by the size of swapfile.front, but the space it really takes on disk is represented by the size of the swapfile itself. I think. :~) >Given that these machines >have been up for only a couple days though, it's still >a little depressing... >+++ >This is a 486/66 that's being used for development. There's >nobody currently at the console, and the machine has been up >for 5 days: >-rw------t 1 root 29335552 Jun 4 16:08 swapfile >-rw------t 1 root 47767552 Jun 4 16:08 swapfile.front >+++ >This is a mono slab, being used to run Improv, and the >occasional compile. It has been up for 2 days: >-rw------t 1 root 22364160 Jun 3 19:08 swapfile >-rw------t 1 root 26820608 Jun 3 19:08 swapfile.front >+++ >This is a mono slab running sendmail, and netifo >service, as well as print and fax service. Nobody >logs in here, and it has been up 5 days: >-rw------t 1 root 16777216 Jun 2 16:41 swapfile >-rw------t 1 root 11812864 Jun 2 16:41 swapfile.front >+++ Here's my mono slab, NS 3.2, with 20MB of RAM. It's used for light development, Improv, occasional light document processing (FrameMaker & PasteUp), game playing (lots of Doom & Risk.app), and modeming. -rw------t 1 root wheel 20971520 Jun 5 21:34 swapfile -rw------t 1 root wheel 8945664 Jun 5 21:34 swapfile.front This is not a good representation, since, sadly, I just rebooted two days ago for a normal backup & house-cleaning operation, combined with deinstalling TTYDSP's lkm (temporarily) so I can play with CCRMA's MusicKit. Normally, my swapfile.front hovers right around the size of swapfile itself (which sits at my lowat size of 20MB). A major blitz of activity (four separate recompiles from scratch of MusicKit, plus a bunch of other crap) last week had pushed it up to around 25MB. My primary swapfile's hiwat is 30MB, and since I upgraded to NS 3.2, I've never hit that point. (Nor has my disk run out of space. :~) >This is a Sun Sparc2, used as an NFS server (home directories, >/usr/spool/mail, /LocalApps, /usr/local, /LocalLibrary for all >our NeXTs); it is also used for software development, and I am currently >logged in at the console (I forgot to log out :-), running X and >emacs. It is configured to swap to a file. It has been up for >8 days, and gets far more abuse than the NeXT machines (black or white): >-rw------T 1 root 16777216 Jun 3 16:53 swapfile >Now, if anyone thinks that NEXTSTEP has adequate, or >even competitive technology in swapfile management compared >to Sun, then they're mistaken. Sun obviously figured things out. >NeXT just doesn't want to be bothered doing things better. I'm >sure that the NeXT guys are as smart as the Sun guys, >so that's the only explanation I can think of. I'd like to >see solutions, instead of excuses. "It's too hard" is for >babies. Or, to repeat my litany, is it the application-level code that is the difference? In comparison, my current contract involves use of Sun SPARCs running Solaris 2.3, most of which we can't even run with OpenWindows because they're only equipped with ASCII terminals for consoles. All of them have at least 32MB, and none of them fail to swap by a significant amount during light activity. Obviously, I'm being sketchy on details. But suffice it to say that my experience indicates that, in fact, NEXTSTEP's swapfile management *is* competitive. If anything, it's what's being put into the swapfile that has problems. Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Monitor in Florida? Message-ID: <Jun.6.01.25.20.1994.17220@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 6 Jun 94 05:25:20 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.marketplace Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi All, An associate of mine needs to bring a next to Florida for a bio- feedback conference. He doesn't want to bring his color monitor with him because he fears the trek will destroy it. Thus, in his behalf, Im hoping there might be a User Group in florida that maybe able to loan, rent (or if necessary, sell) a monitor which will work with a color station. Actually, it need not be a User Group, but if if anyone is in the area and can help out it would be great. Thanks, Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.211106.1729@rna.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 21:11:06 GMT Darcy BROCKBANK writes > The fact that NEXTSTEP doesn't ever shrink the swapfile is simply > indefensible. This implies that sooner or later, through normal > usage, your computer will crash if you use NEXTSTEP. No getting > around it (except to have TONS and TONS of RAM). Nope. The 'memory' in the swap area is reused when programs free their memory (what they do in any case on exit). So only a program that claims more memory than the total of RAM + swapsize will crash your system on file system full. Such a program will also crash any other system that uses fixed swap spaces (either in file or in partition) lie SunOS, HPUX and so on. > > FYI, SunOS, and I think HPUX as well, both allow you to swap > to a file as well as a partition. Being able to swap to > a partition is a feature. NS only allows you to swap to > a file. Yeah, but you can (at least I think you can) make a partition anyway and put your swap file there. Same effect. > > > >Finally, if you want to solve the growing swapfile problem, all you have > >to do is get a small drive (say a used 105MB, which'll cost about $100 > >w/o the case), and use it as a swapdisk. I now use a 250MB Seagate > >(which came with my slab) as a swapdisk, and my system has been > >noticably faster when paging. > > I have a better solution: have NeXT fix the bug. It could be better, but this is not a bug by my standards. -- gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) NEXTSTEP RD242 "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud.
From: croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Network woes on NS/FIP Date: 4 Jun 1994 21:16:58 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <2sqr0a$f0t@cs.ubc.ca> References: <chris.10.001677D5@clubside.digex.net> In article <chris.10.001677D5@clubside.digex.net> chris@clubside.digex.net (Chris Rowley) writes: > Hello again, no I won't go away, because this is very frustrating. > The sole reason I bought NeXTStep for Intel was so I could do > UNIX school work connected via SLIP to the university. No such > luck so-far. > [...] > When I boot, the system appears to hang after clearing the screen. > [...] > One of the problems is the TranSys PNI docs are totally devoid > of information in maintaining the network outside of installation. > They don't even mention the resolv.conf file. So here's my plea: > [...] > I cannot get it to resolve ANY names. I can ping and > telnet and ftp AS LONG AS I know the actual address, but I can't > 'ping arizona.edu' without an error. > > It is honesty unreasonable the amount of work involved > to get SLIP going. You shouldn't have to edit files, you should > get a sialog and the system does the rest. And what about my > host? How does hostconfig play in this equation? And mail? And > what about the dan name resolution? I agree completely! PNI is in no shape to be released to the public. However, it is a beta, and they do warn you that you pretty much need to be an expert on IP and SLIP to install it. But then, they also say that 1.9 is likely to be the last beta release. (!) I hope the full release will be able to deal with automatically setting up full network services. I've been having some frustrating times too. However, I have things pretty much working now (with the exception of Mach IPC, which I'm still tracking down). I've removed all of the PNI stuff from rc.local, and written scripts to bring PNI up and take it down. Getting name resolution working isn't too hard. Getting it to stop trying to check the network after the link is brought down takes more work. In the LINK_start module, basically I copy resolv.conf.SAV to resolv.conf, and kill -HUP lookupd. You may also want to ntp -F <your time server>, and start up ntpd. After you bring SLIP down (in the LINK_stop module), you have to be a bit more heavy handed: rm resolv.conf, kill lookupd, kill nibindd, restart nibindd, and then restart lookupd. I put a sleep 1 between the two restarts so that nibindd gets its act together and forks a netinfod before lookupd tries to connects to one. Anything less than this doesn't seem to do the trick. (Do something like nibindd=`ps -cax | grep nibindd | awk '{print $1}'` kill $nibindd to do the killing). You should also do "route delete ... ..." for all the routes that pnid added but forgot to remove, as well as kill ntpd. There are probably other things I'm forgetting... When you bring up PNI, I suspect you should also do a kill -USR2 nmserver to let the Mach IPC server (responsible for DPS connections, distributed objects) know about the link. (However, I haven't figured that part out entirely yet.) You may have to enter your hostname and IP address into NetInfo (using HostManager) so that your machine doesn't have to rely on a nameserver to figure out its address (this may cure your boot problem). Also make sure you are not trying to connect to a parent netinfo server (set "Use Local Domain Only" in HostManager). Set HOSTNAME, INETADDR, IPNETMASK and IPBROADCAST (you can use HostManager), but if you have no network adapter, you should leave INETADDR at -AUTOMATIC-, or else rc.net will configure the address of your loopback interface (bad news -- it's supposed to be 127.0.0.1). Hope this stuff helps. -- Chris Roehrig (croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca) Invertebrate Learning Group, University of British Columbia, Canada
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 18:51:00 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <EhwEJIW00iV0E2Wp4V@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun4.000145.24620@adobe.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Perry A. Caro@adobe.com > >Thousands? Millions, maybe? > > It wouldn't be hard to find out for certain, but if I were to guess, > I'd say more like hundreds. A little quick testing (see the previous message where I did a 10 page Preview) suggests on the order of thousands to tens of thousands of PostScript operations. [ ..munch.. ] > I don't mean to pick on you. No problem. :-) > It's just that it's a common misconception that PostScript makes NEXTSTEP > slow, or that PostScript is a memory hog. Your comments offered me an > opportunity to rectify and demystify, that's all. Okay. However, I have never (intentionally) claimed either of the misconceptions you're demystifying. I simply stated that Display PostScript has a real cost in terms of using significant amounts of memory and CPU. I consider DPS' functionality to be well worth its requirements, but lets not pretend that this comes for free, either. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) Subject: How to make image copy of floppy? Message-ID: <westesCqwBqq.GyM@netcom.com> Organization: Mail Group Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 23:25:37 GMT I need to make an image dump and restore of a foreign floppy on my NeXTSTEP 3.2 FIP system. The command that I was given for a SunOS system was: dd if=/dev/diskette of=outfile I tried the following under NS FIP 3.2: dd if=/dev/fd0a of=outfile but this fails with: read: I/O error 0+0 records in 0+0 records out I'm using the 3.5" floppy drive. I'm able to mount the floppy disk in question using File Viewer, and I do see files on that disk. Why does dd fail, and is there some other command I could use to better accomplish the same task? -- Will Estes Internet: westes@usc.com
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I talk from SLIP? Date: 5 Jun 1994 05:08:23 GMT Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD Message-ID: <2srmk7$1o5@network.ucsd.edu> References: <2srjos$4vg@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Joshua W. Burton (burton@het.brown.edu) wrote: : Joseph W Reiss writes : >I've got a rather curious problem here. I've found that, when my UNIX : >box is connected to the network via SLIP, people can "talk" to accounts : >on my system. However, I cannot reply to their "talk" requests, nor : >can I initiate any of my own. : > : >When I attempt to do either of these, the talk program informs me that : >it is "Checking for invitation on caller's machine". It then sits : >there and seemingly does nothing. Every so often, my modem's send : >light will blink, but that's the only sign of life. I end up using ^C : >to get out of talk. : This has been my problem, too, for months. I'm running 2.1, but a friend : of mine has experienced it with both 3.0 and 3.2. FWIW, I'm using a : dynamically allocated SLIP number, which I realize is a Bad Thing (tell : my department!)...but we've had the same problem on some of the machines : at work, which are directly connected by ether to the university net. : It must be some kind of configuration problem---does anyone know what : we are all doing wrong? I see similar things, but on a Sun when trying to talk to a non-sun. (no SLIP involved). There are some weird incompatibilities between different talks. I've heard there is a new program "ytalk" on one of the comp.sources.{unix,misc} or similar archives that slices and dices and supposedly can supplant all the weird talks out there. : I became a physicist in order +----------------------------------------+ : to understand the world, which was | Joshua W. Burton (401)435-6370 | : rather like becoming an archbishop | burton@het.brown.edu | : in order to meet girls. +----------------------------------------+ -- -Matt Kennel mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu -Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego -*** AD: Archive for nonlinear dynamics papers & programs: FTP to -*** lyapunov.ucsd.edu, username "anonymous".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Return-Path: <xystem!jsmit@relay.NL.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 94 11:28:39 +0100 From: Jack Smit <xystem!jsmit@relay.NL.net> Message-ID: <9406051028.AA00414@xystem> Subject: NS3.2 and Notebooks Hey, Does some one have expierences with the installation/using of NS3.2 on a Notebook? Which of the notebooks on the market are usefull and of course running without problems with NS. I would very pleased if I got the information of users who already know ..... with it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack Smit +31 46 529019 Xystem Consultancy BV JSmit@Xystem.NL The Netherlands NeXTmail welcome ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: steve@xbrcom.qc.ca (Steve Audy) Subject: Problem with hardware handshake on the 68040! Message-ID: <Q6EPBLGC@math.fu-berlin.de> Keywords: slip modem cufa Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany Distribution: XBR Communications Inc. Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 12:25:28 GMT Hi, I am trying to setup a NeXT Station for a SLIP connexion on the Internet at 19.2K. I installed the SLIP package from TransSys (19920904) and configure it to dialout on the same modem and cable I was using with Versaterm SLIP on the Macintosh. The modem is a 'Practical Modem 9600SA' and the cable supports hardware handshake (on the Macintosh, anyway). This is the setup string I send to the modem: ATE0&C1W1. Here's my problem: When I send a file larger than 200K the connection will drop, and the system will report that the network is down. (Overflow problem??) I tried using 'cufa' instead of 'cua' but the modem lights would never flash. (I get the error message 'Unable to get modem's attention'). I read somewhere that to use cufa I need to lock the DTE speed to 19200 but I just can't figure out how to do this. What am I doing wrong? Why is the modem not working with cufa? PS: I tried SupraFaxModemV.32, HayesOptima9600 and Zoom14.4 but with the same results. Thanks in advance for any help! Steve Audy steve@xbrcom.qc.ca
From: mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 5 Jun 1994 13:40:49 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <2sskl1$bj0@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <YhvgIUu00iUxM8Bsgy@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <YhvgIUu00iUxM8Bsgy@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> wrote: > >Even if the AppKit blits lots of things directly, a NEXTSTEP system does >process a lot of PostScript code in any given time interval. How many >PostScript operations get processed by doing something like cruising >through a WorkSpace browser for a minute? How about Preview'ing a 10 >page document before printing it? > >Thousands? Millions, maybe? > There's an easy way to see all the postscript being generated. Open up a Terminal window, cd to a program's .app folder, and run the program from the shell followed by the -NXShowPS parameter: cd /NextApps/Preview.app Preview -NXShowPS Varun
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 12:00:31 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun5.051223.3378@millennium.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? [ ..munch.. ] > That, and having to reboot your machine because the damn OS doesn't > reclaim swap space. I agree that having the swapfile shrink would be great. However, NEXTSTEP's growing swapfile is certainly no worse then every other Unix OS, all of which require you to dedicate large physical partitions of your disks for swap areas. You can't reduce their swapspace usage by rebooting; instead, you must rebuild the drive with different partition sizes. Because of this, I think that "the damn OS"'s swapfile behavior is preferable to the others. ;-) Finally, if you want to solve the growing swapfile problem, all you have to do is get a small drive (say a used 105MB, which'll cost about $100 w/o the case), and use it as a swapdisk. I now use a 250MB Seagate (which came with my slab) as a swapdisk, and my system has been noticably faster when paging. It's also been more reliable: 34% uptime 11:50am up 7 days, 18:35, 3 users, load average: 0.22, 0.16, 0.14 -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Network woes on NS/FIP Date: 5 Jun 1994 16:40:07 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2ssv57$nd5@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <chris.10.001677D5@clubside.digex.net> <2sqr0a$f0t@cs.ubc.ca> In article <2sqr0a$f0t@cs.ubc.ca>, Chris Roehrig <croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca> wrote: >In article <chris.10.001677D5@clubside.digex.net> chris@clubside.digex.net >(Chris Rowley) writes: >> Hello again, no I won't go away, because this is very frustrating. >> The sole reason I bought NeXTStep for Intel was so I could do >> UNIX school work connected via SLIP to the university. No such >> luck so-far. >> [...] >> When I boot, the system appears to hang after clearing the screen. >> [...] >> One of the problems is the TranSys PNI docs are totally devoid >> of information in maintaining the network outside of installation. >> They don't even mention the resolv.conf file. So here's my plea: >> [...] If you haven't already heard, put a line in resolv.conf like this nameserver a.b.c.d where a.b.c.d is the IP address of a machine which will provide this service. > >I agree completely! PNI is in no shape to be released to the public. >However, it is a beta, and they do warn you that you pretty much need to >be an expert on IP and SLIP to install it. But then, they also say that >1.9 is likely to be the last beta release. (!) I hope the full release >will be able to deal with automatically setting up full network services. > You can't say you haven't been warned. Actually most of the hassle will be getting dial and login scripts for all the permuntations of modems and Slip servers out there. > I've been having some frustrating times too. However, I have things >pretty much working now (with the exception of Mach IPC, which I'm still >tracking down). > >I've removed all of the PNI stuff from rc.local, and written scripts to >bring PNI up and take it down. Getting name resolution working isn't too >hard. Getting it to stop trying to check the network after the link is >brought down takes more work. In the LINK_start module, basically I copy >resolv.conf.SAV to resolv.conf, and kill -HUP lookupd. You may also want >to ntp -F <your time server>, and start up ntpd. > After you bring SLIP down (in the LINK_stop module), you have to be a >bit more heavy handed: rm resolv.conf, kill lookupd, kill nibindd, >restart nibindd, and then restart lookupd. I put a sleep 1 between the >two restarts so that nibindd gets its act together and forks a netinfod >before lookupd tries to connects to one. Anything less than this doesn't >seem to do the trick. > [Misc Deleted] I'm amazed you have to go through all this hassle. I have two scripts to handle this and they are very simple. Why do you need to go through the above? Slipup #!/bin/sh -u # /etc/pni/pnirun -all -boot -core Slipdown #!/bin/sh -u # /etc/pni/bin/pnistat -c down The ONW didn't state whether he had a fixed IP address or if it was assigned dynamically. The hardest thing to figure out for sites that have dynamic IP addresses, ie: you server assigns you an address when dialup is how to associate that address with your machine. The following two commands in my login.tcl exec /etc/ifconfig pni0 $1 up arp netmask 255.255.255.0 exec /etc/route add $1 your_hostname 0 Where $1 is a variable holding the IP address allocated for this session. These assign the IP address to the pni0 interface and then tell your machine how to get there. > >You may have to enter your hostname and IP address into NetInfo (using >HostManager) so that your machine doesn't have to rely on a nameserver to >figure out its address (this may cure your boot problem). If your site uses dynamically allocated slip this is kind of a pain, I generally just set up a Name in /etc/hostconfig just to give my machine an identity. But then again with dynamic address I really can't expect to get much return mail :-(. The two lines of commands above replace the need to mess with Netinfo. Also make sure >you are not trying to connect to a parent netinfo server (set "Use Local >Domain Only" in HostManager). Set HOSTNAME, INETADDR, IPNETMASK and >IPBROADCAST (you can use HostManager), but if you have no network adapter, >you should leave INETADDR at -AUTOMATIC-, or else rc.net will configure >the address of your loopback interface (bad news -- it's supposed to be >127.0.0.1). Generally good and valid advice. > >Hope this stuff helps. > >-- >Chris Roehrig (croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca) >Invertebrate Learning Group, University of British Columbia, Canada -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: icardena@dcl-nxt12 (Ian Patrick Cardenas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I talk from SLIP? Date: 5 Jun 1994 16:46:49 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2ssvhp$bd1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199406050035.UAA18750@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <2srjos$4vg@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Ok, I've been working on this same problem...my situation is similiar: Cube running 3.2 with a dynamically allocated SLIP connection. What I've figured out is that the talk daemon on the other end doesn't like my hostname. I have my hostname in /etc/hostconfig to be 'inferno.uiuc.edu' but the actual address I am assigned when I SLIP in, DNS looks up to 'ruger-#.slip.uiuc.edu.' (where '#' is something from 1 to 80 or so I think) The so I try talking someone and the talk daemon does a name lookup on inferno to get my address and comes up blank...no talk session. So after I realized what was going on I su'd to root and changed the hostname to the one assigned to me by SLIP... (inferno.uiuc.edu:1# hostname ruger-12.slip.uiuc.edu) Voila! Talk now worked. A note of interest on ytalk...I grabbed ytalk and ytalk has this nifty thing I haven't quite figured out yet: readdressing. You put in an entry in either your ~/.ytalkrc or a systemwide /usr/local/etc/ytalkrc file and the address you advertise can be different than what your system reports. It was designed specifically for PPP/SLIP connections. The man page is kinda brief but the author seems willing to help out in this respect with an email address. I just haven't gotten around to writing that letter... Hope this helps... -Ian -- *x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x*x* "I would if I could X Ian P Cardenas X but I can't X CS major at UIUC X so I'll learn" -IPC X icardena@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu X
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca (Terry Wilcox) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <CqxHvq.D61@arcane.calgary.ab.ca> Sender: terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca (Terry Wilcox) Organization: Arcane Systems Ltd. References: <1994Jun5.051223.3378@millennium.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 14:35:49 GMT Jayson Adams writes >Of course you don't need DPS to create a nice GUI. Choosing DPS (or >at least buffered windows) was probably one of the biggest mistakes >they made. Other people are making that same mistake now. Buy from SGI, you get DPS. How foolish of them to repeat NeXT's mistakes. How many other companies are making that same mistake? I just wish I had DPS on my X-terminal. I want my fonts to work correctly. I want a drawing program that can really scale and rotate text. Terry Wilcox -- Terry Wilcox (terry@arcane.calgary.ab.ca) `Some praise at morning what they blame at night; But always think the last opinion right.' - Alexander Pope
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 17:05:09 GMT In article <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > >However, NEXTSTEP's growing swapfile is certainly no worse then every >other Unix OS, all of which require you to dedicate large physical >partitions of your disks for swap areas. You can't reduce their >swapspace usage by rebooting; instead, you must rebuild the drive with >different partition sizes. The fact that NEXTSTEP doesn't ever shrink the swapfile is simply indefensible. This implies that sooner or later, through normal usage, your computer will crash if you use NEXTSTEP. No getting around it (except to have TONS and TONS of RAM). FYI, SunOS, and I think HPUX as well, both allow you to swap to a file as well as a partition. Being able to swap to a partition is a feature. NS only allows you to swap to a file. > >Finally, if you want to solve the growing swapfile problem, all you have >to do is get a small drive (say a used 105MB, which'll cost about $100 >w/o the case), and use it as a swapdisk. I now use a 250MB Seagate >(which came with my slab) as a swapdisk, and my system has been >noticably faster when paging. I have a better solution: have NeXT fix the bug. - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
From: M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 5 Jun 1994 12:45:48 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <940605184044.6686AACUV.malc@jeeves> > The fact that NEXTSTEP doesn't ever shrink the swapfile is simply > indefensible. This implies that sooner or later, through normal > usage, your computer will crash if you use NEXTSTEP. No getting > around it (except to have TONS and TONS of RAM). > Umm, I don't follow the logic of this. Please correct me if I misunderstand things here, but surely the crash is only inevitable of you have some memory-hungry Oliver.app which keeps asking for more? Assuming you're just using things like Edit etc. which release memory when they're quit, you close a doc or whatever, then isn't the swap space which it has claimed is available for other apps or docs? The swap file will only continue to grow if you load up more apps which *simultaneously* ask for more memory. It's a moot point which behaviour is preferable, a single app crashing as soon as a hard-limit is reached, or the whole system coming down when demand finally exceeds supply... most complaints seem to be heard from those who want the former. As it stands at the moment, however, NeXT do seem to allow any variant you want: again I may be wrong, but surely if you want the "single app crashes" scenario, all you have to do is create a swapfile partition...? (An easier way would be to have HIWAT taken notice of...) IMHO the things which NeXT should fix are: (1) the bug in the window-manager which guarantees that swap requirements do in fact grow indefinitely (although not by much); and (2) the swap file should *shrink* when pages are released. (Please correct any misconceptions I may have; this is not an area I understand very well and would be pleased to learn more about.)
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 5 Jun 1994 17:47:29 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: : The fact that NEXTSTEP doesn't ever shrink the swapfile is simply : indefensible. This implies that sooner or later, through normal : usage, your computer will crash if you use NEXTSTEP. No getting : around it (except to have TONS and TONS of RAM). Nonsense. You're somehow assuming some of this swapspace is lost. If it's lost, then you're gonna run out of room on your swap partitions as well. The swapfile only grows if you're using operations that take up more memory than it can provide. Normal usage will not do this, unless your "normal usage" is big-time Mathematica computations or large, bit-heavy graphics operations. I've run NeXTSTEP on an 8-meg machine with a 20-meg swapfile (mostly compiling and writing), and had to reboot it once in 4 months, because a program I wrote (forking) got out of hand. Your mileage may vary, but claiming the machine will crash because the swapfile doesn't shrink is...indefensible. :-) : FYI, SunOS, and I think HPUX as well, both allow you to swap : to a file as well as a partition. Being able to swap to : a partition is a feature. NS only allows you to swap to : a file AIX, DG/UX, Dynix, OSF/1 all are partition-based. HP/UX is as well, I believe, though I'll have to check on it. At any rate there's one and ONLY ONE reason you'd want to do partition-based swapping: speed. Swapping on a raw device is much faster than through a journaled file system. There's no other good reason. If you run out of space on a swap device, you crash. If you run out of the same amount of space in NeXTSTEP, you probably have some extra space on your main hard drive; i.e., you can exit nicely. Claiming that swap partitions are better than swapfiles for memory management is ludicrous. However, does anyone know what NeXT's swapdisk format is? This _is_ partition-based swapping, no? : >Finally, if you want to solve the growing swapfile problem, all you have : >to do is get a small drive (say a used 105MB, which'll cost about $100 : >w/o the case), and use it as a swapdisk. I now use a 250MB Seagate : >(which came with my slab) as a swapdisk, and my system has been : >noticably faster when paging. : I have a better solution: have NeXT fix the bug. It's more complex than that--it's a major efficiency problem compacting a swapfile. If you'd like your programs to hang for minutes on end while NeXTSTEP is cleaning the swapfile up, and maybe add some fragmentation to your system while doing it, you're welcome to it. I prefer manual shrinking. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
From: jbn@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 5 Jun 94 17:58:26 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <jbn.770839106@owens.slip.uiuc.edu> References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger writes: >However, NEXTSTEP's growing swapfile is certainly no worse then every >other Unix OS, all of which require you to dedicate large physical >partitions of your disks for swap areas. In my opinion, NeXT should still be held to fixing the problem. Letting them off the hook because many other OSs are broken doesn't make NeXT any better to me; NS' swap mechanism is still broken and every release that passes without it being fixed makes me believe more strongly that this might be beyond their ability to fix. I can't imagine why they would let a show-stopping bug like this (that affects *every* NS user) to go on so long. >Finally, if you want to solve the growing swapfile problem, all you have >to do is get a small drive (say a used 105MB, which'll cost about $100 >w/o the case), and use it as a swapdisk. Actually, this won't solve the problem. Funny that you mention this drive, I have that drive as my swapdrive, however it doesn't fix the problem (nor would any other drive), it just pushes off the inevitable (as opposed to using a hard disk of lower capacity)--a crash or lockup forcing the machine to be rebooted to become functional again. Also unfortunate, is that the swap mechanism is broken on *all* ports of NS (and given NeXT's reluctance to fix this thing it might very well *continue* to be broken in future ports) and thus affects *all* NS users everywhere. >It's also been more reliable: >34% uptime > 11:50am up 7 days, 18:35, 3 users, load average: 0.22, 0.16, 0.14 Personally, I don't think 7 days uptime is anything that great considering that if the swap mechanism worked we could all be experiencing orders of magnitude more uptime instead of mere days (where any reboots come from something other than a crashed or locked up machine because there wasn't any swap space). -- No NeXTmail please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.192224.18525@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 19:22:24 GMT In article <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: >operations. I've run NeXTSTEP on an 8-meg machine with a 20-meg swapfile >(mostly compiling and writing), and had to reboot it once in 4 months, >because a program I wrote (forking) got out of hand. > >Your mileage may vary, but claiming the machine will crash because the >swapfile doesn't shrink is...indefensible. :-) 1) swap file does not shrink 2) normal operation (I'm a developer) makes my swapfile grow 3) disk is finite Sooner or later you get the familiar old vm error on the console. Now, if you did compiles on an 8 Meg machine consistenly, and didn't grow the swapfile, then you must me magic. Just logging in on an 8Meg machine makes the machine swap. This machine has 32M of RAM, and is used for the occasional compile, as well as using Improv. total 48050 drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 Jun 2 19:25 ./ drwxrwxr-x 11 root 1024 Oct 22 1993 ../ -rw------t 1 root 22364160 Jun 3 19:08 swapfile -rw------t 1 root 26820608 Jun 3 19:08 swapfile.front This machine is used only for compiling, and reading news. It has 32M of RAM as well. It's been up a little bit longer than the machine above. total 75322 drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 May 31 09:13 ./ drwxrwxr-x 11 root 1024 Oct 22 1993 ../ -rw------t 1 root 29335552 Jun 4 16:08 swapfile -rw------t 1 root 47767552 Jun 4 16:08 swapfile.front This machine just runs sendmail and is the netinfo server. The swapfile doesn't grow here. total 27930 drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 May 31 12:40 ./ drwxrwxr-x 12 root 1024 Oct 21 1993 ../ -rw------t 1 root 16777216 Jun 2 16:41 swapfile -rw------t 1 root 11812864 Jun 2 16:41 swapfile.front This is real data. I think it's insane that machines that are not stressed in any way (unless you consider a single user running a compiler and/or a spreadsheet) to have such large swapfiles (there's nobody logged in at the console at the moment as well). If the machines didn't have big disks, then they'd be toast. To believe that this isn't a problem when users have been complaining about this for about 4 years, is pretty wierd. > >: FYI, SunOS, and I think HPUX as well, both allow you to swap >: to a file as well as a partition. Being able to swap to >: a partition is a feature. NS only allows you to swap to >: a file > >AIX, DG/UX, Dynix, OSF/1 all are partition-based. HP/UX is as well, I >believe, though I'll have to check on it. At any rate there's one and >ONLY ONE reason you'd want to do partition-based swapping: speed. Swapping >on a raw device is much faster than through a journaled file system. There's >no other good reason. If you run out of space on a swap device, you crash. >If you run out of the same amount of space in NeXTSTEP, you probably have >some extra space on your main hard drive; i.e., you can exit nicely. > >Claiming that swap partitions are better than swapfiles for memory management >is ludicrous. Go back and read what I wrote. I said that swapping on a partition is a feature. I then said that NS only allows you to swap on a file. Now, seeing as some of us actually like "speed", and consider it a good thing when OSs give us speed, I don't consider swapping to a partition to be a bad thing. It's an option, which I would like to invoke on occasion. Never did I say that one was preferrable to another. Try reading what I wrote before telling me what I said. > >However, does anyone know what NeXT's swapdisk format is? This _is_ >partition-based swapping, no? As far as I know, this is swapping to a disk, and not a partition. If you can dedicate a partition to swapping on a disk, while using the other partitions for data, then someone should tell us how to do it. Otherwise, allocating an entire disk for swapping is the most inflexible configuration you can get. >: I have a better solution: have NeXT fix the bug. > >It's more complex than that--it's a major efficiency problem compacting a >swapfile. If you'd like your programs to hang for minutes on end while >NeXTSTEP is cleaning the swapfile up, and maybe add some fragmentation to your >system while doing it, you're welcome to it. I prefer manual shrinking. "manual shrinking"? Does that refer to "rebooting"? I simply think that those people at NeXT using their OO technology, and leveraging this amazing development environment can come up with something better. I don't think that their best effort could possibly be "all your programs hangingfor minutes". If you're quite happy with NEXTSTEP the way it is, then you're welcome to it. I happen to think that it can be improved. The swapfile thing is just something that they don't want to put time into, because Steve can't demo it on IB. It's pretty simple. - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun5.192810.18696@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <940605184044.6686AACUV.malc@jeeves> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 19:28:10 GMT In article <940605184044.6686AACUV.malc@jeeves> Malcolm Crawford <M.Crawford@dcs.shef.ac.uk> writes: >> The fact that NEXTSTEP doesn't ever shrink the swapfile is simply >> indefensible. This implies that sooner or later, through normal >> usage, your computer will crash if you use NEXTSTEP. No getting >> around it (except to have TONS and TONS of RAM). >> >Umm, I don't follow the logic of this. > >Please correct me if I misunderstand things here, but surely the crash is only >inevitable of you have some memory-hungry Oliver.app which keeps asking for >more? >(Please correct any misconceptions I may have; this is not an area I >understand very well and would be pleased to learn more about.) > My understanding of it is far from perfect, but this is what I see: 1) The swapfile does not shrink 2) In practice, it grows to immense size 3) If you don't have a large disk, then you can easily fill up all available space. 4) page outs begin to fail 5) page ins then begin to fail Now, if your program paging in is something like netinfo, you're hung. You're basically out of memory, and when a system that requires dynamic memory allocation can't get any more memory, programs die. I have not simulated this, but I do have memories of machines crashing/hanging when they run out of swap. I suppose the thing to do would be to simulate this, and see how long the machine can operate with the disk 100% full. Does anyone know what happens when the WindowServer fails on paging out/paging in? - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I talk from SLIP? Date: 5 Jun 1994 20:06:01 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <2stb79$ccg@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <199406050035.UAA18750@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <2srjos$4vg@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> <2ssvhp$bd1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Icardena@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu wrote... > A note of interest on ytalk...I grabbed ytalk and ytalk has this nifty >thing I haven't quite figured out yet: readdressing. You put in an entry >in either your ~/.ytalkrc or a systemwide /usr/local/etc/ytalkrc file and >the address you advertise can be different than what your system reports. >It was designed specifically for PPP/SLIP connections. The man page is >kinda brief but the author seems willing to help out in this respect with >an email address. I just haven't gotten around to writing that letter... After reading the responses here on the net and in a few email messages, I grabbed ytalk myself. I piddled around a bit with my dialupip configuration files and wrote a script to automagically generate a /usr/local/etc/ytalkrc file to perform the readdressing when I get my dynamically allocated IP address from the SLIP connection. I installed ytalk in /usr/local, linked it to talk so I wouldn't have to think about it, and now everything works absolutely peachy keeno! If anyone wants to use talk over SLIP, I'd have to say go out and get ytalk ASAP. It's the only way to go (quite literally). For those of you interested, here's the script I use to automagically create the ytalkrc file. I put it in /usr/local/etc/ytalkconf. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/csh cat >/usr/local/etc/ytalkrc <<READDRESS readdress opus $1 128.146.216.0 readdress opus $1 164.107.0.0 READDRESS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- You'll need one "readdress" line for each network that you might be talking to. Of course, you'll need to change that IP address at the end of the line to reflect the appropriate address of each network as well. And you'll want to change "opus" to whatever your own hostname is. I'm using a modified version of the UofO SLIP configuration files, which handle dynamic IP address allocation. In /usr/dialupip/config/login-<whatever>.tcl, I added the second of the two lines below (the other is just there to show you where I added it)... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- exec /etc/ifconfig $interface $1 exec /usr/local/etc/ytalkconf $1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus, whenever the SLIP connection is brought up and I'm given an IP address, a new ytalkrc file is created with the appropriate readdresses in place. If anyone can improve on this, please feel free. And let all of us poor souls out here know about it! Joe -- | NeXTMail OK! | If I had a clue, would I still be here? | | ________ | Ehhhhh, I don't think so! | | | |__) | ======================================================== | | (_|OE| \EISS | - Me and Yakko Warner |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: manroe@manki.toppoint.de(Manfred Roehr) Subject: Re: Daydream NeXT->Apple hardware Message-ID: <Cr2KqB.EB@manki.toppoint.de> Sender: manroe@manki.toppoint.de (Manfred Roehr) References: <Cqz80J.D0@jura.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 08:25:23 GMT In article <Cqz80J.D0@jura.demon.co.uk> jura.demon.co.uk!haldane (Steve Sykes) writes: > There was a posting a little while ago about a thing called Daydream that > would turn my NeXT into a Mac. The contact address was > quix@applelink.apple.com (Andy Grawehr). However, I have mailed this > address and received no reply. > > Does anyone have an email address that works? > > Thanks > Steve. > -- > Stephen D.Sykes _______| Have you __| NeXT | Classic FM > haldane@jura.demon.co.uk | hugged your | mail __| London, U.K. > +44 71 284 3000 (daytime) _-| radio today? _-| O.K. __| NW1 7DQ The e-mail address is ok and I also have no other one. But try with fone under (from USA) 011 41 41 348828. DAXDREAM works very good and quick - its real great! manfred -- *************************************************************** * Manfred Roehr e-mail: manroe@toppoint.de * * Elisabethstrasse 88 fax: +49 431 733 483 * * 24143 Kiel phone: +49 431 73 45 39 * * Germany NeXT-mail welcome * ***************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Subject: swapfile (was Re: Why does NS require so much Memory?) Message-ID: <Cr2o7A.LG9@boa.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@boa.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <1994Jun5.221433.24748@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:40:24 GMT In article <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) writes: [description of how swap file truncation *should* work omitted] ... >In practice, this happens rarely. The basic problem is that if you have a long >running process use a very high number paged (e.g., if the Windowserver >allocates a high numbered page) the swapfile will not get truncated until that >process exits --- which could be a very long time. When this happens due to a >core process (e.g., the nmserver), which cannot be restarted unless the system >is rebooted, your swapfile will remain large. Still, there can be lots of free >pages in the swapfile file, and rest assured they will be reused! It certainly does happen RARELY in practice. I just booted my NEXTstation in single user mode and ran "eatswap" (source included below). I was using a non-compressed swap file, and the swap file did not shrink, even though "ps awwxl" suggested that none of the other half-dozen or so processes had allocated any new memory (i.e. there was no nmserver or Window Server running). Here's what I did (normally I would not describe what I've done, but I would use a terminal capture, or the "script" program, but I wanted as few processes running on my machine as possible): wrote and tested eatswap while multi-user editted /etc/swaptab to explicitly state "nocompress" (i.e. make it as easy as possible for the space to be reclaimed) ran /etc/halt unplugged my ethernet b sd() -s ps awwxl wrote down the vsize and rsize of the processes: PID VSIZE RSIZE name -1 0 0 mach task -1 0 0 mach task -1 0 0 mach task 0 16.2M 1.48M kernel idle 1 736k 88k init 3 2.56M 528k kern loader 2 768k 128k mach init 15 8.64M 144k sh /usr/etc/mach_swapon -a ran eatswap waited a few minutes control-c'd eatswap ls -l /private/vm What do you know? There's a big 'ol swap file there. Another "ps awwxl" showed the same VSIZE and RSIZE numbers, but with the granularity that ps uses to report, it's possible that one of them did decided to add a page after eatswap ran, but I doubt it. This shows that either the above explanation is lacking, or there is a bug. The bug that has been demonstrated does not suggest that space isn't being reclaimed, but it does show that there is at least one bug in the VM subsystem. I spent a couple hours fiddling around with that eatswap, looking for the swap file to shrink (it did sometimes, never by very much) and trying to get some pages in the swap file to not be reclaimed. I wasn't successful doing the latter, but let's face it, eatswap doesn't push the VM system anywhere near as hard as a real load of a bunch of processes using a variety of the mach vm calls. So, if it's possible that the VM subsystem can trivially be confused as to how to truncate the swapfile, isn't it possible (esp., considering how complex it is) that the VM subsystem itself could leak? Again, let's consider the possibilities: The VM subsystem does leak: People running memory starved configurations would do tons of paging, some of which results in swap space allocated that could never be reused until a reboot. As such, swap space would grow "indefinitely" and systems would need to be periodically rebooted. This sounds a lot like what people are describing The VM subsystem doesn't leak: People would periodically run VM intensive programs and if they used too much VM, they'd run out of swap space. Kind of like tall people walking through low doorways. Boom, you bump your head. Tall people will eventually learn to duck ("Doctor, Doctor! It hurts when I do this" -- "Don't do that"). Hence, all that people would have to do to avoid rebooting their machines would be to avoid running these VM intensive jobs, and periodically kill and restart any programs that may have VM leaks (by logging out, then using the magic "exit" command) This does not sound like what people are describing. BTW, although NEXT and ARDI don't necessarily see eye to eye on a bunch of issues, I have no axe to grind w.r.t. their VM subsystem. Whether or not there are bugs in it, I don't have much trouble because I have enough memory now that I don't page often and rebooting my machine is no big hassle. I only entered this discussion because people who really appear to be having problems were being told "*you* don't have problems", rather than "that's funny, *I* don't have those problems". NOTE: I've demonstrated one problem, described another and suggested a tool that could help resolve these issues once and for all. I believe I've done my part. I'm out of here. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com ============================ eatswap.c follows ======================== #include <stdlib.h> #include <assert.h> #include <stdio.h> #define PAGE 1024 #define BLOCK (50 * 1024 * PAGE) int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *p, *ep; p = malloc(BLOCK); assert(p); for (ep = p + BLOCK; p < ep; p += PAGE) *p = 1; sigpause(0); return 0; }
From: fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** MOSAIC for NeXT ** Date: 8 Jun 1994 08:43:43 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2t4edv$mh0@nova.umd.edu> References: <CqzrGy.L2I@cbnewse.cb.att.com> <Cr09tD.Buq@news.cis.umn.edu> <1994Jun7.093657.305@prim.demon.co.uk> In article <1994Jun7.093657.305@prim.demon.co.uk>, Dave Griffiths <dave@prim.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In article <Cr09tD.Buq@news.cis.umn.edu> klett@sunrayce.solar.umn.edu writes: >> >>try Omniweb.app at ftp.omnigroup.com >> >>It's only a beta, but in many ways superior to Mosaic and you don't need >>XWindows to run it. (Mosaic is an X App) > >I've never used Mosaic - in what ways is OmniWeb superior? (No offence to >the Omni people - it's still beta after all - but that means Mosaic can't >actually do very much). Can Mosaic be used for creating HTML documents BTW? > >Dave Griffiths It is superior when running under NS because you can use all the good NS features (like 'open ...'); whereas with Mosaic you will need to install xv (or what ever), soundplay (or whatever), etc. Also, OnmiWeb kepts a browser of your connections which is a nice feature. "IT just works." No, you don't write HTML with Mosaic (or OnmiWeb)--you can view it for testing (or ideas, anyones page source may be viewed). Use a text editor to write it, or use FrameMaker (or TeX) and get a filter. Check out the "Best of Web" winners for a good start in using OW or Mosaic. Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shayman@Objectario.com (Steve Hayman) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? [Auto-restarting the window server] Message-ID: <1994Jun8.015517.382@objectario.com> Sender: shayman@objectario.com Organization: Steve Hayman + Associates / NeXTSTEP Consulting / Toronto References: <1994Jun8.015137.325@objectario.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 01:55:17 GMT > What about installing a program as the logout hook which will > kill the window server? That's easy. Here's a script that will do it. Install this script as /usr/local/bin/logouthook, and then do (as root) dwrite loginwindow LogoutHook /usr/local/bin/logouthook This way the window server will be killed and automatically restarted every time you log out. I have tried this, and it works, and doesn't seem to cause any ill effects (but am willing to be convinced otherwise.) #!/bin/sh # kill window server. Install this as a logout hook, and the # window server will be killed whenever you log out. # Steve_Hayman@Objectario.com, June 7 1994 PATH=/usr/ucb:/bin:/usr/bin export PATH # find window server process id ws=`ps ax | grep [W]indowServer | awk '{print $1}'` # and kill it. It so happens that this causes loginwindow # to restart, which also restarts the window server.. kill -TERM $ws exit 0
From: Joe_Keenan@next.com (Joe Keenan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 8 Jun 1994 13:58:11 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2t4ipj$8em@rosie.next.com> References: <Cr1zK9.G9@dsinc!flash> In article <Cr1zK9.G9@dsinc!flash> flash!jon@myxa.com writes: > I think this explains what I saw last night- I set up my machine to have a > second swapfile (thanks, Royce!). The primary had a hiwat of abuot 27 megs. > To test it, I opened a few JPEGs in ImageViewer and zoomed them to 1500% (and > they were pretty big to begin with). > > What I saw was that when the secondary swapfile kicked in, the first was only > at 19 Megs (lowat being 16). The second swapfile grew from 4 megs (the lowat > - I don't want too keep much space idle on the drive) to 21 megs. > > The primary swapfile was set for compression, so my theory is that the > swaptimizer confused things, so that the second swapfile was switched in when > *swapfile.front* grew over the primary's hiwat, rather than using the size of > actual physical swapfile. > > So, it would appear that it's true that hiwat doesn't work with the > swaptimizer. I'm not sure I agree with you on that conclusion. Think about what's happening. The hiwat argument tells the swap system when to switch to the other swapfile. It does that by counting pages that it's written to the swapfile (swapfile.front in this case). It just so happens that there's some compression going on behind it's back that's causing the actual amount of disk space used to be less than what it thinks is being used. What are the alternatives? I can think of two. Program in an estimate of the compression ratio so that even though you tell if to max out at 32Meg, it'll actually wait until it gets to 48Meg before switching? What if the pages you're swapping out don't get the estimated compression ratio? The other is to have the swap system actually check the disk space being used by the back-end file of the compression code. That means disk stats instead of internal page counting. On every page out? No thanks. What this all means to me is that you, as the administrator, need to ake responsibility for swapfile maintainence. If you're using multiple swap files, AND you're using swapfile compression, then YOU have to figure out what's the appropriate hiwat to use to do what you want. TANSTAAFL. joe #import <std.desclaimer> // This space for rent
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: garbage collection (tangent of: Why does NS require so much Memory?) Date: 8 Jun 1994 15:03:08 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t4mjc$sir@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2t2ov9$2ti@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes: > Deborah Howland (dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) wrote: > > : What some people are, in effect, asking for, then, is the inclusion > : in NEXTSTEP of a feature not implemented by any UNIX vendor that I > : know of, i.e. some kind of auto garbage collection routine. It > : would definitely be nice to have, in certain circumstances, but is > : not a quick hack to implement, nor would it fail to exact a > : performance penalty. Nor is NeXT somehow grossly at fault for not > : implementing such a feature. > > Adding garbage collection to the standard objective-C toolkit > and object system would be wonderful. GC makes all sorts of > programming tasks less complex and more reliable. Some of my friends use Modula-3, and are quite happy with the garbage-collection facility in that. I wish M3 was more "plug-in-able" to the NeXTSTEP programming environment (with IB support, etc). > I'm presently using a new language with GC. (Sather). It uses > Hans Boehm's (fabulous) C based garbage collector. The performance > penalty is not as large as most people claim. In fact, in a very > small test I made (after an Eiffel benchmark) using the GCing > Boehm malloc compiled from Sather was faster than a native C > program using the Sun standard malloc. I'm not quite sure what that small test on a Sun really proves about the performance of the C-based garbage collector on a NeXT. I'm also not sure that a C-based garbage collector would be as fool-proof as garbage collection done as a part of the language. [I'm not saying it wouldn't work, I'm saying it'd be interesting to see how well it works because I have no idea how well it'd work] Hmm. But perhaps this would be a topic for csn.programmer instead of csn.misc? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 8 Jun 1994 15:30:50 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2t4o7a$k28@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <Cr0zz8.7uu@cobra.cs.unm.edu> <2t2cl4$78t@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Joshua W. Burton (burton@het.brown.edu) wrote: : I bet it's gzip that's the culprit---compression requires large chunks of : the file to be compared at once, and it's trying to compress a tarfile of : anywhere from 2 to 50 MB. (When it gets bigger than that, my scripts send : me mail, and I do a manual level-zero backup. Anyone want my scripts?) Possible. But gzip's memory requirements grow at O(logN) of the file size probably, because gzip uses, it's my understanding, a process fairly similar to compress (LZW). Basically, LZW generates a table of items in a file, but if the table already contains a pattern in the file, it's not added again. Hence the compression. Still, for big-time compresses this could indeed be a problem. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 8 Jun 1994 15:39:20 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2t4on8$k28@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <chx8Vyy00iUxI1Vg5h@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun7.231442.6075@millennium.com> JaysonAdams wrote: : Chucky, you suggested exiting the Window Server as the way to solve the : swapfile "problem." If you had understood Avie's post, you would've realized : that this won't always work because a daemon might've grabbed a high page in : the swapfile, and that daemon won't go away on Window Server exit. It also : won't work if you never really use the Window Server, which is true for the : multiple headless systems we have running here (and they exhibit the swapfile : "problem" too). Please don't declare your "solutions" (like that dedicated : swapdisk idea) as the universal answer. Whoa, whoa! Avie basically said that long-running memory-intensive processes tend to hog the high spots on the swapfile. This does not sound like daemons (long-running, yes, memory-intensive, no), which get booted initially, ask for little more memory, and so are allocated spots low on the file. It _does_ sound like the window server, which grows so often that it's allocated new spots in the file all the time. So it'll have high spots consistently. Of course, it's possible that some other app (daemons, apps on all the itme, etc.) might grab a single page up there and so define the amount the swap can shrink if the window server exits, but it's more likely that the high spots are taken mostly by the window server and general apps. So we should be able to expect a reasonable amount of shrinkage. Not all the time, not consistently, but overall a reasonable amount. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:23:33 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <QhxS9pS00WBME2WsZ3@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1994Jun7.231442.6075@millennium.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 7-Jun-94 Re: Why does NS require so .. by Jayson Adams@??? > In article <chx8Vyy00iUxI1Vg5h@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger > writes: > > > [don't get me started; I wish someone would learn to read] Try calling "1-800-ABCDEFG". > > You probably should spend more time trying to come up with your own > > solutions to your own problems, then, instead of making knee-jerk > > reflexive criticisms about every idea that has my name attached to it > > Chucky,... My name is "Charles". "Chuck" to my friends. However, it really doesn't surprise me to see Jayson being so childish as to deliberately misspell someones' name. It's really too bad; I had hoped to have a polite and intelligent discussion. > ...you suggested exiting the Window Server as the way to solve the > swapfile "problem." s/solve/help > If you had understood Avie's post, s/If/Since s/had understood/do understand > you would've realized that this won't always work because a daemon might've > grabbed a high page in the swapfile, and that daemon won't go away on > Window Server exit. ...which is true. However, I never claimed using "exit" was a magical solution; all I said was that it helps. Notice that word, Jayson: "help". The suggestions I've made have been intended to help other people who read this group, not to abuse them because they don't understand something complex, such as the swapfile, but they are at least asking questions. So far, I have not seen a single helpful post from you on the topic, period. All I have seen is abusive language, sarcastic questions, and NeXT bashing. Anyone have a counterexample? > It also won't work if you never really use the Window Server, which is > true for the multiple headless systems we have running here (and they > exhibit the swapfile "problem" too). True. And I suggested that since your circumstances are different then that of others, you should look into finding your own solutions since some of my suggestions aren't going to help very much. Heck, I'll even repeat my suggestion, and politely, to boot. > Please don't declare your "solutions" (like that dedicated > swapdisk idea) as the universal answer. I have never claimed my solutions were "the universal answer". I have found that using a dedicated swapdrive completely solves the swapping problem *for me*, and has made my system faster. Other people have also done this, and they have posted that using a swapdrive has really helped them, too. Simple fact. I would suggest taking this to email, but you have still not fixed your return address. I've seen at least one other person complain about this, too. Instead of accusing NeXT's OS of having bugs, and being abusive on the newsgroups, why don't you go fix the bugs in your own software before throwing stones? People in glass houses.... -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <Cr335F.BBt@txnews.amd.com> Sender: news@txnews.amd.com Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Austin TX References: <2t2ov9$2ti@network.ucsd.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 15:03:13 GMT In article <2t2ov9$2ti@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes: >>Deborah Howland (dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) wrote: >> >>: What some people are, in effect, asking for, then, is the inclusion >>: in NEXTSTEP of a feature not implemented by any UNIX vendor that I >>: know of, i.e. some kind of auto garbage collection routine. It >>: would definitely be nice to have, in certain circumstances, but is >>: not a quick hack to implement, nor would it fail to exact a >>: performance penalty. Nor is NeXT somehow grossly at fault for not >>: implementing such a feature. >> >>Adding garbage collection to the standard objective-C toolkit >>and object system would be wonderful. GC makes all sorts of >>programming tasks less complex and more reliable. >> >>I'm presently using a new language with GC. (Sather). It uses >>Hans Boehm's (fabulous) C based garbage collector. The performance >>penalty is not as large as most people claim. In fact, in a very >>small test I made (after an Eiffel benchmark) using the GCing >>Boehm malloc compiled from Sather was faster than a native C >>program using the Sun standard malloc. >> >>That is, the performance degradation incurred by GC is on >>the same order as that found in switching between various malloc >>implementations, of which Boehm's is better. >> >>The present lack of GC in O-C is, in my opinion, one of its major weaknesses. >>Perfectly understandable, but still a weakness. >> Hear hear! As a Smalltalk programmer who has always wanted to do more N[Ee]XTSTEP programming, the lack of GC in Obj-C has been the single greatest roadblock to that happening. Go ahead and flame me for being lazy, but the thought of having to keep track of all those objects just to make them go away nicely seems like a real pain in the butt! I'd rather stay focused on the problem space as opposed to the memory space. -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CIM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
From: peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca (Peter Karbaliotis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 8 Jun 1994 15:53:58 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2t4pim$um0@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <1994Jun7.171401.7802@Angst.COM> In article <1994Jun7.171401.7802@Angst.COM> dylan@Angst.COM (Dylan Kohler) writes: > Quick suggestion... Why not assign an individual "process > swapfile" to each running process that pages out? That > way, long-running processes with high pages don't hold .. > If this requires too many i-nodes or overhead, you have > two tiers: one for likely heavy users (windowserver, > Appkit apps) using my scheme of individual swapfiles; > and one for the rest, using the current single swapfile. Better yet would be to swap on the swapfile :^). Have two swapfiles and check to see how long a page has been swapped out to the first one. If it has been swapped out for a long time (one hour? more?) move it to the second swap file. Thus, a long running process with a high numbered page in VM would have that page moved to the second swapfile, allowing the first one to shrink. -- Peter Karbaliotis - University of Alberta - NeXTmail ok
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: swapfile (was Re: Why does NS require so much Memory?) Date: 8 Jun 1994 16:06:36 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t4qac$1r8@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <Cr2o7A.LG9@boa.cs.unm.edu> ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) writes: > avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) writes: > [description of how swap file truncation *should* work omitted] > ... > > In practice, this happens rarely. The basic problem is that if > > you have a long running process use a very high number paged > > (e.g., if the Windowserver allocates a high numbered page) the > > swapfile will not get truncated until that process exits --- > > which could be a very long time. When this happens due to a > > core process (e.g., the nmserver), which cannot be restarted > > unless the system is rebooted, your swapfile will remain large. > > Still, there can be lots of free pages in the swapfile file, > > and rest assured they will be reused! > > It certainly does happen RARELY in practice. I just booted my > NEXTstation in single user mode and ran "eatswap" (source included > below). I was using a non-compressed swap file, and the swap > file did not shrink, even though "ps awwxl" suggested that none > of the other half-dozen or so processes had allocated any new > memory (i.e. there was no nmserver or Window Server running). > > Here's what I did (normally I would not describe what I've done, > but I would use a terminal capture, or the "script" program, but > I wanted as few processes running on my machine as possible): > [skipping over details] > > What do you know? There's a big 'ol swap file there. Another > "ps awwxl" showed the same VSIZE and RSIZE numbers, but with the > granularity that ps uses to report, it's possible that one of > them did decided to add a page after eatswap ran, but I doubt it. One of the things you were running is "sh". If "sh" is anything like "bash", it may have done all kinds of alloc's in the process of starting up the mach_swapon or eatswap (or the control-c to get out of eatswap). The end result may be the same size, but it could very well change the layout as far as paging is concerned. > This shows that either the above explanation is lacking, or there > is a bug. The bug that has been demonstrated does not suggest > that space isn't being reclaimed, but it does show that there is > at least one bug in the VM subsystem. Or that you're missing a subtle detail of the original explanation... Let's say you have a process running, such as init. It's only 736k, and since there's boatloads of RAM left in your machine it has *never* been paged out. The memory of that process has not been assigned any location in the swap file. Now you run eatswap. That process creates pages like crazy, so the system starts swapping out memory. Well, if you're allocating enough memory (and referencing it enough) the paging system will eventually decide that it would be a good idea to swap out the memory that init *already has*. At *that* point the system takes a page from the "init" process and assigns to it some page in the swap file. Note that init has not done anything -- no mallocs, no new memory, and maybe not even used up any CPU time at all. Also note that the page of memory from init will get the highest page as of the time it is paged out. The fact that the page was allocated back when there was 30meg free does not mean it's going to wind up at the beginning of the swap file. > So, if it's possible that the VM subsystem can trivially be > confused as to how to truncate the swapfile, isn't it possible > (esp., considering how complex it is) that the VM subsystem > itself could leak? It's also possible that people who have not developed virtual memory paging systems are being trivially confused as to what is really going on... :-) ;-) :-) We have two groups of people here, each of which seems to be missing the point of the other. I'm telling you that I have a very busy system which is heavily used (sometimes by as many as 10 people at once -- one of *my* problems with the NeXT kernel is that it has "only" 32 pty's defined and I *do* run into that limit...). That system has been up for as much as 150 straight days. No reboots. No problems. No infinitely growing swapfile. The *average* time between reboots on my machines is over 40 days. The lowat mark for my swapfile on eclipse (a machine with 32meg of RAM) is 40meg, right now eclipse has been up for 14 days, and the size of the swapfile is exactly 40meg. The lowat mark for my swapfile on black-ice (a machine with 48meg of RAM) is 64 meg, right now black-ice has been up for 8 days, and the size of the swapfile on black-ice is exactly 40meg. A "memory leak" means "memory grows without bounds". The old version of KPerfMon had a memory leak in it, for instance (until I fixed it...). The longer you ran the program, the more memory it took up. And, in fact, two of the reboots for eclipse happened because I was running KPerfMon and it used up dozens of megabytes of memory (thus my desire to fix KPerfMon, back when I fixed it). Given that definition of the phrase "memory leak", NeXTSTEP per se and the memory subsystem thereof does not have a memory leak. If it did, I wouldn't have enough disk space to hold a swapfile after 150 days. In particular, my swapfile after 150 days was about the same size as it was after 20 days. The extra 130 days did not increase the size of the swapfile. That said, I do think there's "something fishy" about the way the swapfile is handled. The fact that I argue against some of the conclusions of people in the "so much memory" thread does not mean that I think everything is peachy keen. I'm just arguing against some specific conclusions as to what the problem is, due to my own real-NeXT-life experiences. [next on Donahue: "People with real-NeXT-life experiences"...] Before upgrading the RAM on my machines (and picking a swapfile lowat size to match it), I would run into problems similar to what other people are describing. I "bought my way out" of those problems, because I needed more memory for what I was doing anyway. At the time I made those changes, it did seem to me that the changes helped much more significantly than I had expected them to. I was expecting to "alleviate" the problems, such that I could work with 32-bit color images without having to reboot quite so often, and suddenly I found that the problem had completely disappeared. So, something is up here, and I would like to know (as a matter of curiosity) what the problem is. But I think that if we all focus in on some generic "memory system leak" that we'll be barking up the wrong tree. I do not think the problem is as straightforward as some process with a memory leak, I think it's going to be something much more subtle. > NOTE: I've demonstrated one problem, described another > and suggested a tool that could help resolve these > issues once and for all. I believe I've done my > part. I'm out of here. I do think Cliff has the right attitude here. Instead of just throwing around claims and insults at each other, it's nice to see someone trying to pin down the problem using real and objective tools. I don't agree with his conclusions, but this is the right way to approach this debate. Clearly there's *something* odd here, or there wouldn't be so many people who are so worked up about it. It would be very nice to resolve the issues (at least to the point that everyone is confident we understand what it is - even if we can't necessarily fix it). I do think there's a problem, but I want any proposed explanation to make sense with the data that I have seen on my own machines over the last four years. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Message-ID: <Cr36w3.I2u@ucdavis.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis References: <weissd.771021675@access3> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:24:01 GMT > Question: Is it me or does OmniWeb not load up the > embeded images? OK, you'll say, check it in the Prefs, I did, > and it still doesn't. If you have already viewed an HTML page with Autofetch turned off, OmniWeb's caching will simply load the old view of the page - even if Autofetch is turned back on. It won't load the embedded images now if they were not loaded earlier. Turn on, and keep on, the Autofetch in the preferences window and try viewing new HTML documents. > Is this a known bug, or have I stumpbled upon a new > feature? I guess OmniWeb could include some extra state with the cached image indicating wether it was viewed with or without the Autofetch on, and if it was cached w/o autofetch, but autofetch is now turned on, OmniWeb could load the images. However, I would prefer to see other functionality added first. Todd heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: gzip/gnutar (tangent of: Why does NS require so much Memory?) Date: 8 Jun 1994 16:23:19 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t4r9n$2qk@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2t2f54$ji1@gap.cco.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > (someone else wrote:) > >> I bet it's gzip that's the culprit---compression requires large > >> chunks of the file to be compared at once, and it's trying to > >> compress a tarfile of anywhere from 2 to 50 MB. (When it gets > >> bigger than that, my scripts send ... > > Nope. gzip only keeps a sliding window of 32K (that's K) bytes for > finding matching strings for compression. Even with the hash table > for strings, it only needs a few 100K of memory to operate. > > If it's really gnutar+gzip eating swap space, I could only guess that > gnutar is keeping all the files and file information in memory for > some reason. It should be easy enough to check by looking at the > gnutar source. doesn't gnutar keep the information, in order to build the mapping of MaNgLeD filenames to original ones? That mapping file is always tacked on at the end of the tar archive, right? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? In-Reply-To: peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca's message of 8 Jun 1994 15:53:58 GMT Message-ID: <BYER.94Jun8100203@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View, CA References: <1994Jun7.171401.7802@Angst.COM> <2t4pim$um0@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 17:02:03 GMT Peter Karbaliotis writes: Peter> Better yet would be to swap on the swapfile :^). Have two swapfiles Peter> and check to see how long a page has been swapped out to the first Peter> one. If it has been swapped out for a long time (one hour? more?) Peter> move it to the second swap file. Thus, a long running process with a Peter> high numbered page in VM would have that page moved to the second Peter> swapfile, allowing the first one to shrink. Everybody bitches about Solaris, but with the number of things they got right... On a Solaris machine (actually, any SVR4.2 machine) look in /proc. You'll see a whole bunch of files with numbers for names. Geez, those numbers look _familiar_! Why, indeedy, they look _just_ like the PID column from a "ps -ef". Funny, huh? When a process goes away - *poof*! - the process swapfile goes away. No funny compaction algorithms, no sandbars in high memory. You could even turn on and off compression on a per-process basis. And let the window server give back "swap" after a garbage collection. Gosh, in an emergency, you could even kill a process and get back enough disk space to shut down properly. Imagine that. Once you've gone to the concept of swapfiles instead of partitions (eeew!), how big a leap is it to go to a swapfile per process? Especially with memory mapped I/O? Huh? -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. === ===
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Subject: Re: gzip/gnutar (tangent of: Why does NS require so much Memory?) Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cr3BrD.sHD@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 18:09:13 GMT References: <2t2f54$ji1@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <2t4r9n$2qk@usenet.rpi.edu> Organization: Purdue University In article <2t4r9n$2qk@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > >doesn't gnutar keep the information, in order to build the mapping >of MaNgLeD filenames to original ones? That mapping file is always >tacked on at the end of the tar archive, right? GNU tar 1.11.2 has a malloc() bug that caused out-of-swap-space panics during weekly dumps on our departmental NeXT server. I fixed it (and other problems) and sent fixes to bug-gnu-utils@prep.ai.mit.edu in September, 1993, but have never received any acknowledgement of their receipt. The context diffs are too long to post. Those who want them may send me e-mail and I will forward the reports I sent to bug-gnu-utils. Vic Abell <abe@cc.purdue.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Message-ID: <Cr3BHC.300@ucdavis.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: University of California, Davis References: <Cr36w3.I2u@ucdavis.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 18:03:12 GMT >> Question: Is it me or does OmniWeb not load up the >> embeded images? OK, you'll say, check it in the Prefs, I did, >> and it still doesn't. [my verbose explanation deleted] As Ben Black replied to me, also make sure you have OmniImage tools or a similar tool which can process the embedded images (converts them to native NeXT TIFF format). Check out ftp.omnigroup.com or http://www.omnigroup.com/Software/ for OmniImageFilter and OminImage. Todd heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu
From: mzemina@.wiltel.com (Mike Zemina) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Adding a new font - HOW? Date: 8 Jun 1994 18:29:17 GMT Organization: WilTel Message-ID: <2t52lt$egc@gateway.wiltel.com> Keywords: font add next How in the world do I add a new font to my box? It should be easy. Do I HAVE TO ask my SysAdmin? mike_zemina@wiltel.com
From: peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca (Peter Karbaliotis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 8 Jun 1994 18:49:31 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2t53rr$r9e@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <BYER.94Jun8100203@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> In article <BYER.94Jun8100203@embassy.mv.us.adobe.com> byer@mv.us.adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: Everybody bitches about Solaris, but with the number of things they got right... > On a Solaris machine (actually, any SVR4.2 machine) look > in /proc. You'll see a whole bunch of files with numbers > for names. Geez, those numbers look _familiar_! Why, > indeedy, they look _just_ like the PID column from a "ps > -ef". Funny, huh? When a process goes away - *poof*! > - the process swapfile goes away. Well, at least under IRIX 5.2 (and previous versions too) these are NOT per process swapfiles. I think the same is true for Solaris but I can't say for sure. The following is from the man page for /proc (the process debug file system) in IRIX 5.2: /proc is a file system that provides access to the image of each active process in the system. This was historically mounted as /debug. /proc does not consume any disk resources. This interface provides a richer set of functionality and replaces the now obsolete dbg(4), debug(4) interface. The "files" of this file system are of the form /proc/nnnnn and /proc/pinfo/nnnnn, where nnnnn is a decimal number corresponding to the process-ID. These files actually consume no disk space, and are only convenient handles by which a debugger can attach to a process. The owner of each ``file'' is determined by the process's user-ID. Files of the form /proc/nnnnn have permission mode 0600 while files of the form /proc/pinfo/nnnnn have permission mode 0444. The /proc/pinfo files are intended for use by unprivileged programs that wish to access miscellaneous process information such as that provided by ps(1) and top(1). > No funny compaction algorithms, no sandbars in high > memory. You could even turn on and off compression on > a per-process basis. And let the window server give back > "swap" after a garbage collection. > > Gosh, in an emergency, you could even kill a process and > get back enough disk space to shut down properly. Imagine > that. > > Once you've gone to the concept of swapfiles instead of > partitions (eeew!), how big a leap is it to go to a > swapfile per process? Especially with memory mapped I/O? > Huh? In principle, the Mach kernel supports external pagers so perhaps one could do it this way. Or use the fact that Mach supports loadable filesystems and have some sort of swap filesystem instead of a swapfile. -- Peter Karbaliotis - University of Alberta - NeXTmail ok
From: jtod@access1.digex.net (John Todd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Label printer for NS? Date: 8 Jun 1994 18:48:36 GMT Organization: Wit's End Message-ID: <2t53q4$lov@news1.digex.net> Summary: Info wanted on label printers for NeXTs Keywords: Label, NeXTSTEP, squink I'm looking for a label printer for my NeXT, one that is capable of printing individual labels as well as mega-mailing lists of names. I think I saw one of these at one point... any ideas on where I can get the printer and software now that NeXTWorld is no longer a source for me to look in? :) -- John Todd -- Sales Digital Express Group - An Internet Access Provider Voice: 1-800-969-9090 FAX: 1-301-220-0477 jtodd@digex.net
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 8 Jun 1994 19:06:12 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t54r4$8s9@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) risked life, limb, his mailbox, and certainly his sanity by writing to usenet: > samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > > Oh well... can someone more informed than me *please* take > > up this discussion, because I don't have enough knowledge > > on this to come to the correct conclusion. > > Here's the facts on how swapfiles work: > > For every page in the swapfile, the kernel maintains status > telling whether that page is in use or not. When a swapfile it > enabled (mach_swapon), it is truncated to lowat and each page is > flagged as free. When the page out daemon requests a page to be > swapped out, the pager locates the first free page in the swapfile > (actually, there is an algorithm to determine which swapfile is > used, if more than one is enabled, but I will omit this from the > discussion). The first free page is defined as the lowest numbered > page. As more and more memory is consumed by processes, higher > and higher numbered pages are used. Assuming this works the way I've seen other VM systems work, it should be noted that the page which the page-out daemon has selected to page out is not necessarily a page which some process has just allocated. It could very well be a page which had been allocated much much earlier. I have no idea how Mach paging works, but in other contexts I know that paging systems work by mapping "virtual memory" to a page in the swapfile. That mapping is not done unless the page of virtual memory needs to be removed from real memory. Once that has happened, then that page of virtual memory is forever mapped to the assigned page in the swapfile (until the virtual memory is deallocated). When an application causes a new page to be created, it's not the *new* page that gets mapped into the swapfile, it's some other page which needs to be moved out of real memory to make room for the new page. I get the impression that everyone thinks it's the brand new page that is going into the swapfile. [skipping over lots of useful info from Avie] > When a page is freed, if it is the highest page in the swapfile, > the swapfile will be truncated all the way down to the highest > page in use (down to lowat). In practice, this happens rarely. One wonders if this could be helped along at times. Let's say one had a program which could figure out which pages in virtual memory are the last pages in the swapfile. Could something be setup so a program could: 1) reference those pages, so the page is certain to be in real memory. 2) update the info corresponding to those virtual pages, to claim that those pages do *not* exist at all in the swapfile. Ie, make them look like they have never been swapped out. 3) free up the pages at the end of the swapfile. If one had a program (unix program) which knew how to do this, probably just for the last <x> number of pages in the real swapfile, then people could run this at low-usage times. One might want to run it as part of restarting the window server, for instance. Perhaps even have a cron job to run it at 3am or something. I don't know how practical it would be to add support for this on the kernel side of things. > So why don't we compact the swapfile to handle these pages that > get allocated at high page numbers? Good question. We've > considered doing it many times. However, it has always been > considered a quite risky change (how many of YOU have debugged > a virtual memory system before) and would need to be done very > carefully to ensure correctness and adequate performance. What I'm suggesting isn't quite the same as a full-scale compaction of the swapfile (and, yes, I have debugged a virtual memory system before -- but that experience is probably not going to be relevent unless you're planning on porting NeXTSTEP to a 370 architecture mainframe...). You would have to worry about correctness, but you should *not* have to worry so much about adequate performance. Since the mini-compaction is triggered by a user process, the user can just very well sit and wait for a few minutes (if that's what it takes) while the compaction occurs. Many users are in the situation where they feel they need to reboot the system to get disk space back, so all you have to do is be faster (and hopefully less disruptive) than a complete system reboot. ("all you have to do". Notice I'm not volunteering to do it, or help debug it... :-) > Having said all of this, why do so many people seem to have > problems with their swapfiles? editorial note: it should be "why do so many people *have* problems with their swapfiles?" They don't "seem" to have problems, they do in fact have them. The cause is up for debate, but there is no doubt that some (but not all) people are having problems. Just thought I'd throw in a little english pedantry while I was roaming thru here... > Here are some possible explanations: > > 1) Not everyone realizes just how much memory their apps use. [skipping details from Avie] > > 2) Programs occasionally have memory leaks. [skipping details from Avie] > > 3) As many of you know, Mach has a quite advanced virtual memory > scheme, which NEXTSTEP makes excellent use of. Features like > copy-on-write and pageable read/write sharing can cause complex > relationships between memory and how it is mapped into one or > more processes. I don't think #1 or #2 are the primary problems facing people. If we really had programs that were huge (either because they had to be, or because they and some memory leak), then people could find those processes via the "ps" command and start to pinpoint the problem. That's how I figured out that KPerfMon needed to be looked into (after it crashed my machine twice...). I do have this vague feeling that there might be some glitch in the expanding of the swapfile. Initially I was running with a low value for lowat (say, 16meg), and saw the same kinds of problems people are talking about. I then increased my lowat value, first to 32meg and later to 64meg, and it seemed that my total swapfile usage stopped climbing as high as it was before those changes. I also added RAM along the way, so I can't really say these impressions of mine are significant. I *think* that somewhere in this thread someone else mentioned something similar (but I'm not going to read thru all these articles trying to find it!). I believe he said he added a separate disk for a swapfile, but that he still had problems. He then noted the logic which was setting his lowat mark to 16meg. After changing his lowat mark to something higher, his machine started behaving much more reliably. I wouldn't trust my memory on the details of that article, but maybe someone could chime in if they have noticed similar experiences. > I'd be more than happy to read suggestions others have on improving > how swapfiles work. I can't guarantee we'll implement them, but > you never know! I would like some changes to the logic in /etc/rc.swap, actually, but I'm not quite ready to write up suggestions. I want something along the lines of "/private/swapdisk" processing, except that I *don't* want my /tmp space moved over there, and I *don't* want it setting it's own high and low water marks. The logic in that script was for a specific configuration (adding a 40meg hard disk to a NeXT that was running off the MO drive -- way back when), and it does not make sense for the kinds of configurations that people are actually setting up. Certainly it makes no sense for me, using a 170meg external hard disk for swapping (and a few other things). In vague terms, I'd want to have additional logic which keyed off a different name for the hard disk. Perhaps "swapdisk_3.3"? Note that I want the logic to be in *NeXT's* /etc/rc.swap file, so that it'd be used when booting off a CD-ROM disc or other things like that. I could change it on my own hard disk, but what's the point? If that's the only place it's changed, then I might as well change /etc/swaptab (which I'm doing...) instead of mucking around in the rc scripts... > I hope this sheds a little light on the whole swapfile discussion. > Somehow I think it will still continue on --- but hopefully it > can be grounded with a few more facts now. Thanks for the background. Clearly it's a topic that's near and dear to quite a few NeXTSTEP users... :-) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc From: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Subject: How does NEXTSTEP compare to NT in speed? Message-ID: <1994Jun8.191453.1752@rna.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 19:14:53 GMT Hello World! (If you read this on the crossposted NT group and you want to follow up, please crosspost or send me email. The NT group is not carried here) I was wondering how NS and NT compare in raw speed. I was thinking about equal systems compare (say 32MB RAM on a 486 DX2) in various aspects. If they do differ (what I do not expect), please tell me why you think it is so (better VM system? etc) I was also wondering what the constraints for NT are for processes to be able to use multiprocessing. Do you need to write separate threads to make use of the availability of more processors? (NEXTSTEP to date does not support MP). Maybe (to prevent flame wars) people could reply by email and i'll make a summary for the net. Thanks in advance, -- gerben@rna.nl (Gerben Wierda) NEXTSTEP RD242 "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there" Paraphrased in Alice in Wonderland, originally from the Talmud.
From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 8 Jun 1994 20:48:47 GMT Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD Message-ID: <2t5arf$ljr@network.ucsd.edu> References: <1994Jun7.231442.6075@millennium.com> JaysonAdams wrote: : In article <chx8Vyy00iUxI1Vg5h@andrew.cmu.edu>, Charles William Swiger writes: : > [don't get me started; I wish someone would learn to read] : > : > You probably should spend more time trying to come up with your own : > solutions to your own problems, then, instead of making knee-jerk : > reflexive criticisms about every idea that has my name attached to it : Chucky, you suggested exiting the Window Server as the way to solve the : swapfile "problem." If you had understood Avie's post, you would've realized : that this won't always work because a daemon might've grabbed a high page in : the swapfile, and that daemon won't go away on Window Server exit. It also : won't work if you never really use the Window Server, which is true for the : multiple headless systems we have running here (and they exhibit the swapfile : "problem" too). Please don't declare your "solutions" (like that dedicated : swapdisk idea) as the universal answer. : __jayson Yes this is true. It's also true that the WindowServer would be the most likely culprit to be swapped in and out because of its heavy memory usage compared to most other processes. I have an idea for a temporary "hack". Write a program that can "page in" any process. (say by attaching a thread and reading in its active pages) When it gets paged out it would then get put in the lower-numbered pages. Do this for all long-running daemons. (a smarter form of this is what they've already looked at as an idea for swap compaction) cheers Matt -- -Matt Kennel mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu -Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego -*** AD: Archive for nonlinear dynamics papers & programs: FTP to -*** lyapunov.ucsd.edu, username "anonymous".
From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 8 Jun 1994 21:03:25 GMT Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa Message-ID: <2t5bmt$jvf@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <weissd.771021675@access3> <Cr36w3.I2u@ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) writes: >> Question: Is it me or does OmniWeb not load up the >> embeded images? OK, you'll say, check it in the Prefs, I did, >> and it still doesn't. >If you have already viewed an HTML page with Autofetch turned off, >OmniWeb's caching will simply load the old view of the page - even >if Autofetch is turned back on. It won't load the embedded images >now if they were not loaded earlier. >Turn on, and keep on, the Autofetch in the preferences window and >try viewing new HTML documents. I've been unable to *ever* get it to load up the images. Even if I click on them they won't load. I'm wondering if it is because I'm at 3.0, and maybe 3.1 or 3.2 is required for OmniWeb to work correctly... -- Doug Siebert | I have a proof that everything I have stated above dsiebert@isca.uiowa.edu | is true, but this .sig is too small to contain it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (David Meyer) Subject: Re: More on swapping... Message-ID: <Cr3HIB.A94@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <2t1vjv$gfm@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <Cr1zK9.G9@dsinc!flash> <2t3g65$r53@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 20:13:23 GMT In article <2t3g65$r53@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Deborah Howland <dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote: >Damn! If that's the case, then *there's* a real bug for sure. >I'll have to run off and test it myself, now, as if I don't have >enough to do already, what with yacking about this topic and all. It's definitely the case. a) hiwat does nothing useful, as far as I've been able to tell, and b) specifying a second swap device (which would get used for swapping if swapping>hiway on the first device) is also useless. Dave -- David M. Meyer Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu University of Virginia NeXTmail ok
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 8 Jun 1994 22:57:49 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2t5idd$i6a@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <1994Jun7.231442.6075@millennium.com> <2t5arf$ljr@network.ucsd.edu> In article <2t5arf$ljr@network.ucsd.edu>, Matt Kennel <mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu> wrote: > >Yes this is true. It's also true that the WindowServer would be the >most likely culprit to be swapped in and out because of its heavy >memory usage compared to most other processes. Not necessarily, most paging systems try to look for memory that hasn't been accessed for a while as best fodder for paging out. Ie: if you aren't using that memory sir, I'm going to give it to someone who will. > >I have an idea for a temporary "hack". Write a program that can "page in" >any process. (say by attaching a thread and reading in its active pages) >When it gets paged out it would then get put in the lower-numbered pages. >Do this for all long-running daemons. > (Gee this sounds familiar :-) In practice once a memory page has been allocated swap space most paging systems won't change that spot. If that page becomes a target for paging out again, some efficiency is gained as the system does not have to go through the overhead of finding a place for it to go. Further if the page hasn't changed from the time it was paged back in, the system can just recycle the memory w/o bothering to write anything to disk. >(a smarter form of this is what they've already looked at as an idea for > swap compaction) > -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,uc.general Subject: [SUBMISSION] Reprint Request generator for MELVYL (needs NEXTSTEP) Date: 8 Jun 1994 01:15:55 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: uc Message-ID: <2t364b$avd@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: Melvyl, University of California, Current Contents, reprint request [I set the distribution to "uc", but is there any reason to post with a wider distribution? Let me know if so. -Izumi] Announcing availability of: ReprintReq -- Reprint request generator for use with Current Contents database accessed via University of California's MELVYL system. =========================================================== Requirements: ============= [1] NEXTSTEP 3.x (Motorola or Intel) [2] Access to Current Contents database on MELVYL. [3] Non-PostScript printer loaded with continuous feed labels. (Laser printer labels are not supported.) =========================================================== FTP site: ========= Host: pinoko.berkeley.edu File: /pub/next/ReprintReq1.07.tar.Z Sum: 35189 118 ReprintReq1.07.tar.Z This is a binary only distribution containging FAT binary for Motorola and Intel architectures. =========================================================== What it does: ============= This app prints labels that go onto a postcard for requesting reprints of scientific journal articles. Two labels are printed for each article requested. One label has the name and address of the author and the other describes the requested article. The address of the author and the article description are taken directly from Melvyl's Current Contents database, so you won't have to scribble on a postcard by hand, or retype this info. The user accesses Melvyl using Terminal/Stuart or other terminal application and performs a search. Once the search is narrowed down, the user displays the results in the "tagged" format for parsing by this program. This portion of Melvyl output is transferred to RepringReq via NEXTSTEP Services mechanism by selecting the relevant section and pressing "Services->Reprint Request" on the menu or pressing "Command -" command key equivalent in Terminal/Stuart. This activates ReprintReq.app which allows further selection of articles, editing of addresses (if needed), and printing of labels. This app requires a cheap non-PostScript printer for printing labels, e.g., old dot-matrix printers which are typically collecting dust these days. We considered using laser printer labels, but this is just too messy for shared printer environment if manual feed or special label sheets need to be used. Printing on plain paper and folding it and stuffing it in a windowed envelope is also rejected to save postage (10-cent difference per request between 1-st class letter and postcard). So, our solution is to bring back a dot-matrix printer out of retirement, and dedicate it for label printing for reprint requests. The labels are then pasted onto a postcard. Defaults are set up for using 4" x 1 7/16" labels for tractor-feed printers. Although there is some room for adjustments via Prefrences, we recommend labels of this size. Each user prepares a batch of postcard with pre-printed return address and other standard messages, e.g., "I would greatly appreciate a reprint of your paper:", etc. All that are needed then is to run this app, stick on generated labels on the front and back, and send the postcards out. (And finally, of course, you will closely read the papers once they arrive!) I am not sure if there is any use for this app outside of the Univ. of California system, but access to Current Contents must be available via other on-line services. I don't know, however, if the "tagged" format used by Melvyl is a universal format that is offered by other systems. This software is provided as is, without warranty and support of any kind. Since this is something we put together for our internal use and are pretty happy with the way it works, we probably will not make major changes. In particular, it is unlikely that the app will get support for laser printers for reasons mentioned above. =========================================================== Typical Usage: ============== % telnet melvyl Trying 192.35.222.222... Connected to melvyl.berkeley.edu. Escape character is '^]'. TERMINAL? vt100 Press RETURN for the MELVYL System -> -> start cc CC-> fi au hubel dh Search request: FI AU HUBEL DH# Search result: 4 citations in the CC article database ### If the number of citations found is reasonable, do: ### "Command k" here to clear out scroll buffer of Terminal/Stuart. CC-> d tags long capture ### "Command a" to select all, or manually select relevant block. ### "Command -" to activate ReprintReq.app. ### ReprintReq becomes the active application automatically. Then: [A] Click on a line in the top browser. [B] Confirm if the address and description are correct. Edit if incorrect, and press "Save Edit" button to commit edit. [C] Press "Add" button if you want to send for a reprint for this article. [D] Repeat [A..C] for other lines in the top browser. [E] More searches in Melvyl in Terminal/Stuart and repeat above. [F] Press "Print" button. -- Izumi Ohzawa <izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu> [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: Univ. of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720-2020 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323
From: dhurter@world.std.com (Don Hurter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A few thoughts about the _real_ computer revolution Followup-To: alt.test Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 16:11:35 -0800 Organization: Buzz's Towing and Wrecker Service (24 hour) Message-ID: <dhurter-080694161135@mac194.kip.apple.com> References: <Pine.3.89.9406011052.A2244-0100000@ktud.elte.hu> Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,alt.computer.consultants,alt.flame,alt.msdos.programmer,alt.pud,alt.sources,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.programming,comp.specification,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.hp.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.misc,comp.windows.misc,misc.misc,news.newusers.questions,sci.comp-aided In article <Pine.3.89.9406011052.A2244-0100000@ktud.elte.hu>, chx@ktud.elte.hu (Charlie Negyesi) wrote: > Is this really a computer revolution?? > > (This is going to be the biggest flamewar you've ever seen!) > > [deletia] > > About myself: > I'm a 19 year old student, I'm making programs as well as using other's. > I'd like to hear about your opinion! Preferably in E-Mail, 'cos I've posted > this to _many_ newsgroups. Well, maybe if he directed the followups somewhere this might have rated at least a marshmallow roast. As it was, though, I couldn't even make it through the whole article. Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z -d
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: NeXTmail on non-Unix systems and on the road Message-ID: <1994Jun9.170500.3137@pcp.ca> Keywords: NeXTMail, remote, wireless Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 17:05:00 GMT Group: I posted the following related questions a couple of weeks ago: 1. Since I'm on the road a lot, I wanted to know whether there's a way to read NeXTMail on my portable (running NS) using a wireless connection. I currently receive NeXTMail on my desk machine through a UUCP link (I download/upload my mail using a UUNET service). >>> Maybe. Radiomail is a company in Palo Alto (info@radiomail.com or (415) 555-1212 - I haven't verified this) which offers wireless service but nobody knew whether this service could provide a UUCP link. >>> Two products were recommended. Pinnacle and Eloquent. Pinnacle is described as such: ================ PINNACLE DESCRIPTION ============== The best setup I have found is to use Pinnacle's Transfer program. It basically installs a small server process on your home machine and an app on your remote. Then after a little configuration you can dial in to your home machine and see what's in your mailbox with a nice GUI front end that looks very similar to the mail app. It also shows you how big the mail messages are. Then you decide which ones you want to transfer to your remote machine based on the sender, subject and size. They are automatically inserted into your mailbox on your remote machine and read with normal NeXT Mail.app. Sending messages is also controlled. Just create a message normally with Mail.app and send it. Transfer controls the mail spool. There's also a GUI remote file browser that lets you copy files to the local machine. =============== ELOQUENT DESCRIPTION ================== Eloquent can read NeXTmail/MIME messages out of a berkeley mailbox. It can even do this when the mailbox is on a remote machine that runs an IMAP server. Eloquent can also send mail directly with SMTP, so you don't need to have sendmail running on your computer. If you are interested in more info on Eloquent send a message to eloquent_info@arissoft.com. Thanks for all the replies. Regards, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca alex@oolesson.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Sender: news@mozo.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Message-ID: <Cr58s4.u5M@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 19:00:03 GMT References: <2t5bmt$jvf@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Organization: Purdue Data Network Doug Siebert writes > I've been unable to *ever* get it to load up the images. Even if I click on > them they won't load. I'm wondering if it is because I'm at 3.0, and maybe > 3.1 or 3.2 is required for OmniWeb to work correctly... That shouldn't be it. I'm running 3.0 and it works fine. I wish I had something to tell you, I just stuck OmniImageFilter.service in ~/Library/Services and it works! Good luck - Jon
From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: swapfile (was Re: Why does NS require so much Memory?) Date: 9 Jun 1994 11:58:03 -0600 Organization: ARDI Sender: kdm1@unm.edu Message-ID: <2t7l7b$f74@hydra.unm.edu> References: <Cr2o7A.LG9@boa.cs.unm.edu> <2t4qac$1r8@usenet.rpi.edu> In article <2t4qac$1r8@usenet.rpi.edu>, Garance A. Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >ctm@ardi.com (Clifford T. Matthews) writes: >> avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) writes: >> [description of how swap file truncation *should* work omitted] >> ... >> > In practice, this happens rarely. The basic problem is that if >> > you have a long running process use a very high number paged >> > (e.g., if the Windowserver allocates a high numbered page) the >> > swapfile will not get truncated until that process exits --- >> > which could be a very long time. When this happens due to a >> > core process (e.g., the nmserver), which cannot be restarted >> > unless the system is rebooted, your swapfile will remain large. >> > Still, there can be lots of free pages in the swapfile file, >> > and rest assured they will be reused! >> >> It certainly does happen RARELY in practice. I just booted my >> NEXTstation in single user mode and ran "eatswap" (source included >> below). I was using a non-compressed swap file, and the swap >> file did not shrink, even though "ps awwxl" suggested that none >> of the other half-dozen or so processes had allocated any new >> memory (i.e. there was no nmserver or Window Server running). >> >> Here's what I did (normally I would not describe what I've done, >> but I would use a terminal capture, or the "script" program, but >> I wanted as few processes running on my machine as possible): >> > [skipping over details] >> >> What do you know? There's a big 'ol swap file there. Another >> "ps awwxl" showed the same VSIZE and RSIZE numbers, but with the >> granularity that ps uses to report, it's possible that one of >> them did decided to add a page after eatswap ran, but I doubt it. > ... >Or that you're missing a subtle detail of the original explanation... ... >It's also possible that people who have not developed virtual >memory paging systems are being trivially confused as to what >is really going on... :-) ;-) :-) ... Hi KIDS! Enclosed is a short program that allows you to look at the paging file. A slightly modified version of eatswap.c is also posted so that you can do the obvious test of checking to see what's in the high pages of the swap file. Guess what? It's not some page from one of the few processes that were still running when I did the test originally. Why Garance would prefer to speculate rather than just check for himself, I don't know. If you don't have enough knowledge to write physcat, or to do useful experiments, your speculation is probably just noise. general description of how to show that truncation is not being done when it should: compile physcat and eatswap ls -li /private/vm/swapfile run eatswap physcat /dev/rsd0a inumber | od -c | tail When you get something that looks like this: 24517720 \0 025 { * \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 001 24517740 \0 025 k 316 \0 \0 \0 002 \0 \b 222 024 \0 \0 \0 001 24517760 \0 025 p \n \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 \0 24520000 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 363 * 306440000 then you can come up with all sorts of contorted explanations for where the 363's are coming from, and why there aren't anything except 363's at the end of the swapfile. So, we're back to where we were yesterday. Clearly the truncation doesn't work as has been described. Quite possibly there are other bugs in the VM subsystem that results in some people's (esp. people who don't have much memory) problems with their swap files. I've given some of my reasons in the past, I've also described a simple tool that could shut everyone up. If you want to assume that I don't understand the issues, fine. I look forward to another hundred posts without anyone writing any test code. --Cliff ========================== physcat.c ========================== /* * physcat device inumber * * cats a file by doing raw disk reads. This can be used to peek at * /private/vm/swap on a NEXT. * */ #include <sys/types.h> #include <sys/param.h> #include <sys/file.h> #include <ufs/fs.h> #include <sys/vnode.h> #include <ufs/inode.h> #include <assert.h> void blast_direct(int ndirect, int fd, struct fs *fsp, daddr_t block, long *sizep) { char *bufp; long toseek, towrite; daddr_t *dp, *ep; assert((bufp = alloca(fsp->fs_bsize))); if (block) { toseek = block * fsp->fs_fsize; assert(lseek(fd, toseek, L_SET) == toseek); assert(read(fd, bufp, fsp->fs_bsize) == fsp->fs_bsize); } else memset(bufp, 0, fsp->fs_bsize); if (ndirect == 0) { towrite = MIN(*sizep, fsp->fs_bsize); assert(write(1, bufp, towrite) == towrite); *sizep -= towrite; } else { dp = (daddr_t *) bufp; ep = (daddr_t *) (bufp + fsp->fs_bsize); while (*sizep > 0 && dp < ep) blast_direct(ndirect-1, fd, fsp, *dp++, sizep); } } int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int fd; struct fs fs; long iwant, iaddr; struct icommon *icp; char *bufp; long size; int i; assert(argc == 3); fd = open(argv[1], O_RDONLY); assert(fd >= 0); iwant = atol(argv[2]); assert(iwant >= 2); /* * read superblock */ assert(lseek(fd, SBLOCK, L_SET) == SBLOCK); assert(read(fd, &fs, sizeof(fs)) == sizeof(fs)); assert(fs.fs_magic == FS_MAGIC); /* * locate inode */ assert((bufp = alloca(fs.fs_bsize))); iaddr = itod(&fs, iwant) * fs.fs_fsize; assert(lseek(fd, iaddr, L_SET) == iaddr); assert(read(fd, bufp, fs.fs_bsize) == fs.fs_bsize); icp = (struct icommon *) (bufp + itoo(&fs, iwant) * sizeof(*icp)); size = icp->ic_size.val[1]; /* only deal with files < 4 gb */ /* * cat direct blocks */ for (i = 0; size > 0 && i < NDADDR; ++i) blast_direct(0, fd, &fs, icp->ic_Mun.ic_Mb.Mb_db[i], &size); /* * cat indirect blocks */ for (i = 0; size > 0 && i < NIADDR; ++i) blast_direct(i+1, fd, &fs, icp->ic_Mun.ic_Mb.Mb_ib[i], &size); /* * Don't check close return value because NS will bite you. */ close(fd); return 0; } ================== neweatswap.c ================ #include <stdlib.h> #include <assert.h> #include <stdio.h> #include <string.h> #define PAGE 1024 #define BLOCK (50 * 1024 * PAGE) int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *p; p = malloc(BLOCK); assert(p); memset(p, 0xF3, BLOCK); return 0; }
From: Joe Gross <jgross@uiuc.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: gcc and NeXT Date: 10 Jun 1994 07:52:44 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2t964c$e8i@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2t8nap$6at@news1.digex.net> chris@clubside.digex.net (Chris Rowley) writes: >I'm trying to set up a MOO on my machine under NeXTSTEP 3.2 for intel and >it seems there's a compiler bug in cc. According to MOO's author Pavel >Curtis (pavel@parc.xerox.com) this bug is real, but was fixed months ago >in gcc. Does anyone know of bug fixes to NeXT's cc, or whether there's a >version of gcc for NeXT? Doe adding another compiler take mongo disk >space? The cc for NeXT's *is* gcc (try cc -v), it's an older version (2.2.2). you should be able to compile the newest version (2.5.8) without any problems. look at prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu for the latest version. i'd guess it took up about 14 megs. -- Joe Gross | University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign jgross@uiuc.edu | <a href=http://mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu/~jgross>me</a>
From: ac1mdc@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (M Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Restarting Window Server automatically (was Re: Why does NS require so much Memory?) Date: 10 Jun 1994 08:57:27 GMT Organization: Academic Computing Services, Sheffield University Message-ID: <2t99to$br2@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <1994Jun7.043506.1532@objectario.com> <1994Jun9.191633.16359@seer.demon.co.uk> Paul Lynch (paul@seer.demon.co.uk) wrote: : In article <1994Jun7.043506.1532@objectario.com> shayman@Objectario.com : (Steve Hayman) writes: : > Here's one thing you could try. Install a shell script as a logout : hook, : > and have that shell script track down and kill the existing : WindowServer. : > loginwindow notices the death of this process, and it exits itself : > and restarts a new window server. : : Doesn't 'exit' restart the windowserver? : Yes, but this follows on from a thread on NS memory usage in which it was sugested that one way to try to prevent swapfile bloat might be to restart the windowserver automatically between login sessions... Have fun, mmalc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sdavenpo@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: Upgrade policy on NeXTSTEP Academic Bundle? Message-ID: <1994Jun10.073744.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> Sender: news@dmi.stevens-tech.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 12:37:44 GMT What is the upgrade policy for NeXTSTEP Academic Bundle? I've finally got a copy of 3.2 on it's way, and I'm curious about what happens when 3.3 comes out. Scott Davenport sdavenpo@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfr@trwlasd.com Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <Cr6Dwr.D1z@trwlasd.com> Sender: jfr@trwlasd.com (Jon Rosen) Organization: TRW References: <2t8sq3$kob@nic-nac.CSU.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:48:26 GMT Eric P. Scott writes: > Jerry Weiss writes: > > Matt Kennel writes: > > > Jayson Adams writes: > > > > Charles William Swiger writes: > > > > > Avadis Tevanian writes: > > > > > > Darcy BROCKBANK writes: > > > > > > > [munch] > > > > > > [munch] > > > > > [munch] > > > > [munch] > > > [munch] > > [munch] > [munch] > > Time for this thread to fizzle out. Here here! Now I know why NS requires so much Memory. Its because of this damn thread! I counted no less than 75 posts on this subject and that was just today! > -=EPS=- > -- > "I guess no one reads Santayana anymore." That's right. Nobody has any time. They're too busy reading this thread. Jon Rosen
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Upgrade policy on NeXTSTEP Academic Bundle? Date: 10 Jun 1994 12:03:17 GMT Organization: MCNC -- Center for Communications -- CONCERT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t9kq5$rac@inxs.concert.net> References: <1994Jun10.073744.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> In article <1994Jun10.073744.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> sdavenpo@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes: > What is the upgrade policy for NeXTSTEP Academic Bundle? I've finally got a > copy of 3.2 on it's way, and I'm curious about what happens when 3.3 comes out. > Register your copy of 3.2 and NeXT probably (at this late date) will probably provide you with a free upgrade to 3.3 when it ships. Dave
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 8 Jun 1994 23:42:46 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <2t5l1n$iaq@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <Cr0zz8.7uu@cobra.cs.unm.edu> <2t2cl4$78t@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> <2t4o7a$k28@hamblin.math.byu.edu> >> Possible. But gzip's memory requirements grow at O(logN) of the file size >> probably, because gzip uses, it's my understanding, a process fairly similar >> to compress (LZW). Basically, LZW generates a table of items in a file, but No, gzip does not use LZW, and has fixed (O(1)) memory requirements. gzip uses LZ77, which simply looks for duplicated strings in a sliding window. gzip's sliding window is 32K. Even LZW implementations (at least the ones I've seen) have an upper limit on the memory usage that is almost always hit by reasonable length files. The upper limit comes from the maximum symbol size, which for Unix compress for example is 16 bits. This leads just a few hundred K needed, max, by compress. mark
From: dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Deborah Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 8 Jun 1994 23:54:40 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2t5lo0$acd@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <2t1vjv$gfm@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <Cr1zK9.G9@dsinc!flash> <2t3g65$r53@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> <Cr3HIB.A94@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (David Meyer) writes: >It's definitely the case. a) hiwat does nothing useful, as far as >I've been able to tell, and b) specifying a second swap device (which >would get used for swapping if swapping>hiway on the first device) is >also useless. Well, this doesn't agree with what Jon just said in his post. He tested the hiwat/dual swapfile and it worked, just not the way we first expected. (Hiwat got applied to swapfile.front, not swapfile itself.) This behavior actually makes some sense after all, as another person (I forget who, already) pointed out. Royce Howland dhowland@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (wife's account)
From: annard@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** MOSAIC for NeXT ** Date: 8 Jun 1994 20:53:04 +0200 Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands Message-ID: <2t542g$13i@theborg.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <2t4edv$mh0@nova.umd.edu> In article <2t4edv$mh0@nova.umd.edu> fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > It is superior when running under NS because you can use > all the good NS features (like 'open ...'); whereas with > Mosaic you will need to install xv (or what ever), soundplay > (or whatever), etc. Also, OnmiWeb kepts a browser of your > connections which is a nice feature. "IT just works." > However, as some other people have experienced too: pictures do not get displayed although I do see an icon. And I really have installed: ImageFilter, ImageViewer, Graphics Workshop etc so Omniweb should be able to show them inside an html document... But why doesn't it do it? Any help appreciated, Annard -- Give me enough bandwidth and I can transmit the earth. - Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) PGP Public Key available on request
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ** MOSAIC for NeXT ** Date: 9 Jun 1994 00:42:29 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t5ohl$m6f@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2t542g$13i@theborg.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> annard@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes: > fletcher@nova.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > > [OmniWeb] is superior when running under NS because you can > > use all the good NS features (like 'open ...'); whereas with > > Mosaic you will need to install xv (or what ever), soundplay > > (or whatever), etc. Also, OnmiWeb kepts a browser of your > > connections which is a nice feature. "IT just works." > > > However, as some other people have experienced too: pictures do > not get displayed although I do see an icon. And I really have > installed: ImageFilter, ImageViewer, Graphics Workshop etc so > Omniweb should be able to show them inside an html document... > But why doesn't it do it? All you should have to do is install ImageFilter. You might have to do a "make_services" or something like that after you have put the OmniImageFilter.service file in /LocalLibrary/Services. That's all I had to do, and images started working as expected. Maybe some file or directory permissions are wrong? I do seem to have problems if I try to *print* a page which has images in it. Something weird happens. I haven't yet sent a message to the guys at OmniGroup about it, though. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 9 Jun 1994 00:48:50 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t5oti$me5@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2t5bmt$jvf@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) writes: > I've been unable to *ever* get [OmniWeb] to load up the images. > Even if I click on them they won't load. I'm wondering if it is > because I'm at 3.0, and maybe 3.1 or 3.2 is required for OmniWeb > to work correctly... This might be true. All the systems I've run OmniWeb on are running NS-3.2. Perhaps you have to "thin" the modules (such as the object code file in the OmniImageFilter.service folder) for them to work under NS-3.0. I have some vague memory of some problem in NS-3.0 when processing certain kinds of "fat" object files. That's not much help, I realize, but maybe someone else could look into it some more. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Interested in getting S-PLUS to NEXTSTEP? Message-ID: <mohan.771046579@husc4.harvard.edu> From: mohan@husc4.harvard.edu (Mohan Penubarti) Date: 8 Jun 94 03:36:19 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Keywords: nextstep s-plus s * * Interested in getting S-PLUS ported to NEXTSTEP? * S-PLUS is a powerful object oriented statistical analysis software from Statistical Sciences in Seattle, Washington. It is a binary version of the S language from AT&T Bell Labs. It is widely recognized by statisticians to be among the best data analysis software available. An earlier version of S-PLUS (Version 3.0) was ported to NEXTSTEP for NeXT machines, apparently at the request of Swiss Bank. StatSci has no plans to port the new version (3.2 and soon 4.0) to NEXTSTEP on any platform. BUT, I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY STATSCI THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER A MAB PORT TO NEXTSTEP IF THEY GET ENOUGH INTEREST FROM THE NEXTSTEP COMMUNITY. From previous posts to the net and talking to other NEXTSTEP users who use S-PLUS, I know that there is more than sufficient interest in S-PLUS. If you are interested in S-PLUS, please send email expressing your interest to the following people at StatSci: Tom Conlon: tom@statsci.com (Product Manager) Thomas Christie: thomas@statsci.com (Sales) I agreed to call StatSci in two weeks time to follow-up. If it is OK with you, please send me a note indicating that you sent email to StatSci so that we can gauge the interest in S-PLUS from NeXT users. I will post follow-ups to this group informing you of StatSci's decision and (hopefully) the status of the port. Posts to the net have often lamented the lack of major software in certain areas on NEXTSTEP. Here is a chance to get arguably the best data analysis system to NEXTSTEP. I certainly hope that we will show that there is more than sufficient interest in the NeXT community to attract StatSci to port S-PLUS. Please send email to StatSci right away. Thanks! Mohan Penubarti <mohan@husc.harvard.edu>
From: jbm@aiinet.com (John Milton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ok, we've got CyptorBundle, what about file encryption in Workspace? Date: 9 Jun 1994 02:39:55 GMT Organization: Applied Innovation, Inc. Message-ID: <2t5vdr$581@aisun.aiinet.com> Keywords: encryption Ok, now we have the CryptorBundle by Philip R. Zimmermann for Mail.app, how about "encryption" support in WM? All the hooks seem to be there to support a file type .encrypted (just like .compressed) and a bundle encryption.bundle (just like /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/compression.bundle) The WM operations are there: WSM_ENCRYPT_OPERATION and WSM_DECRYPT_OPERATION John -- John Bly Milton IV jbm@aiinet.com (614) h:252-8544, w:798-8301 NeXTmail OK AMPR:N8KSN[44.70.0.52] Don't FLAME, inform!
From: eugene@raddi.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 9 Jun 1994 03:03:51 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t60qn$v1v@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <2t5oti$me5@usenet.rpi.edu> In article <2t5oti$me5@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) writes: > > I've been unable to *ever* get [OmniWeb] to load up the images. > > Even if I click on them they won't load. I'm wondering if it is > > because I'm at 3.0, and maybe 3.1 or 3.2 is required for OmniWeb > > to work correctly... > > This might be true. All the systems I've run OmniWeb on are > running NS-3.2. Perhaps you have to "thin" the modules (such > as the object code file in the OmniImageFilter.service folder) > for them to work under NS-3.0. I have some vague memory of > some problem in NS-3.0 when processing certain kinds of "fat" > object files. That's not much help, I realize, but maybe > someone else could look into it some more. > hmmm I'm running OmniWeb on my 3.0 slabs, and it seems to work fine. No problems at all with inline images. I've got ImageViewer, and the OmniImage stuff (service and app) under LocalApps/LocalLibrary. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugene Mah eugene@raddi.uah.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail) Grad Student/Sys Admin "For I am a Bear of Very Little Department of Radiology Brain, and long words bother University of Alberta Hospitals me." Winnie the Pooh Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
From: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <812@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: 8 Jun 94 17:54:05 GMT References: <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> Sender: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Maartensdijk, The Netherlands In article <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) writes: [ ... Very clear description of swap file usage algoritms deleted ... ] > So why don't we compact the swapfile to handle these pages that get > allocated at high page numbers? Good question. We've considered doing > it many times. However, it has always been considered a quite risky > change (how many of YOU have debugged a virtual memory system before) > and would need to be done very carefully to ensure correctness and > adequate performance. As an example, it would not be acceptable to just > start a compaction and cause the system to lock up as the kernel does > several megabytes of I/O for the compaction. The relative merits of > making this improvement has never outweighted the costs in risk and the > opportunity costs of not working on other parts of the system. I'm not > saying we'll never do it, I'm just saying we haven't done it yet for > some carefully considered reasons. Well, yes and no. Of course people (ok, perhaps not all) realize that 'repairing' once working operating system algoritms, like the paging system described above, is not trivial and a careful cost-benefit analysis has to be made. BUT, the proposed 'solution' given in this paragraph is, IMHO, unnecessarily complex. Of course you can always device a special kernel routine that simply takes over the machine (uhhh, the operating system) to do a GC on the swap file. In this case, however, I think (and I've written this in this forum before) one can attack the problem in a much simpler way. One of the things to remember is, that any page active in the swap file is there, because there was no room for it in main (RAM) memory of the machine. Now it is well known (I hope - assuming that this is what is given by vm_stat's 'Pages free') that any virtual memory system worth its salt will keep a list of free pages of main memory lying around, just to avoid 'rush hour' traffic to disk in case a process suddenly needs another page. So a solution to the problem would be to have a (tunable) system parameter, say N (N < the 'free list'), indicating the number of pages active at the end of the swapfile, just behind a gap of non-active pages M (with M > xN - x probably another tunable system parameter), and a kernel thread periodically looking for this condition. If the condition is detected to hold, the N pages are swapped back in (thereby 'freeing' them in the swap file) USING THE ALREADY EXISTING AND DEBUGGED 'page in' routine in the kernel, and the swap file is truncated, releasing M + N pages of disk space. This analysis depends heavily on the possibility to use the 'page in' routine from another context than the page-fault exception, but I hope that THAT has been taken care of. [ ... More useful info deleted for bandwidth's sake ...] -- Toon Moene (toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl) Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands Phone: +31 3461 4290; Fax: +31 3461 4286 No Disclaimer: I claim, therefore I am.
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From: bublitz@mdd.comm.mot.com (Martin Bublitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: swapfile (was Re: Why does NS require so much Memory?) Date: 9 Jun 1994 05:41:44 GMT Organization: Motorola - Wireless Data Group; Richmond, BC Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t6a2o$1dg@mmddvan.mdd.comm.mot.com> References: <2t4qac$1r8@usenet.rpi.edu> Since we're talking about swap files here, I've got a question. I've got a cube with the 40 MB drive. Is it possible for me to move its contents to another hard disk so that I can remove that drive? How so? If there's info out there on it, please point me in the right direction. Thanks, Martin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mike@lorax.com (Mike Ferris) Subject: Re: Defragging the swapfile Message-ID: <Cr345C.15w@lorax.com> Sender: mike@lorax.com (Mike Ferris) Organization: Stultus Enterprises References: <2t1fcc$dbv@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 15:24:47 GMT In article <2t1fcc$dbv@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Joe Gross <jgross@uiuc.edu> writes: >flash!jon@myxa.com writes: > >>As another suggestion, how about putting something in so that the Windowserver >>"exits" automatically in the wee hours if nobody's logged in? Unless this would >>have some dire consequences I'm not aware of, it could at least free up some >>of the swapfile if the WindowServer has some pages at the end of it. > >>It wouldn't be as drastic as rebooting, but would restart one of the largest >>and longest-running processes without being really disruptive. > >i haven't tried this (i'm 150 miles away from the nearest NeXT) but what >if you go into console mode by typing "console" from the login prompt? will >that kill the window server? > You can manually exit the windowserver from the loginwindow by logging in as exit with no password. That's not exactly automatic however. ____________________________________________________________ Mike Ferris Whenever you find that you are mike@lorax.com on the side of the majority, (510) 652-2039 it is time to reform. -Mark Twain
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bchin@andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Expo PencilMeIn Calendar? Message-ID: <Cr486H.J6q@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 05:49:29 GMT Is there a calendar of all (or nearly all) the events going on at/right around Expo in PencilMeIn format? I think that would be a cool thing(TM) to have. -- Bill Chin - bchin@pangea.com - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: Label printer for NS? Message-ID: <Cr412K.25B@genoa.com> Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <2t53q4$lov@news1.digex.net> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 03:15:55 GMT John Todd writes > > I'm looking for a label printer for my NeXT, one that is capable of printing > individual labels as well as mega-mailing lists of names. I think I saw one > of these at one point... any ideas on where I can get the printer and > software now that NeXTWorld is no longer a source for me to look in? :) try contacting Sarrus at info@sarrus.com (they have two good products PencilMeIn - calendar and SBook - contact mgmt) SBook will do some label printing specifically for labels though, cantact Henry McGilton at Trilithon for LabelWorks. info@trilithon.com I havent tried it but there other products worked well for me. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Interested in getting S-PLUS to NEXTSTEP? Message-ID: <2t531q$mq@scunix2.harvard.edu> From: mohan@husc4.harvard.edu (Mohan Penubarti) Date: 8 Jun 1994 18:35:38 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA * * Interested in getting S-PLUS ported to NEXTSTEP? * S-PLUS is a powerful object oriented statistical analysis software from Statistical Sciences in Seattle, Washington. It is a binary version of the S language from AT&T Bell Labs. It is widely recognized by statisticians to be among the best data analysis software available. An earlier version of S-PLUS (Version 3.0) was ported to NEXTSTEP for NeXT machines, apparently at the request of Swiss Bank. StatSci has no plans to port the new version (3.2 and soon 4.0) to NEXTSTEP on any platform. BUT, I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY STATSCI THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER A MAB PORT TO NEXTSTEP IF THEY GET ENOUGH INTEREST FROM THE NEXTSTEP COMMUNITY. From previous posts to the net and talking to other NEXTSTEP users who use S-PLUS, I know that there is more than sufficient interest in S-PLUS. If you are interested in S-PLUS, please send email expressing your interest to the following people at StatSci: Tom Conlon: tom@statsci.com (Product Manager) Thomas Christie: thomas@statsci.com (Sales) I agreed to call StatSci in two weeks time to follow-up. If it is OK with you, please send me a note indicating that you sent email to StatSci so that we can gauge the interest in S-PLUS from NeXT users. I will post follow-ups to this group informing you of StatSci's decision and (hopefully) the status of the port. Posts to the net have often lamented the lack of major software in certain areas on NEXTSTEP. Here is a chance to get arguably the best data analysis system to NEXTSTEP. I certainly hope that we will show that there is more than sufficient interest in the NeXT community to attract StatSci to port S-PLUS. Please send email to StatSci right away. Thanks! Mohan Penubarti <mohan@husc.harvard.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kay@nagasena (Kay Schulz) Subject: HPPA Binaries Message-ID: <Cr49FM.EJ3@ecrc.de> Sender: news@ecrc.de Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre GmbH, Munich, Germany Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 06:16:33 GMT Hi Guys. I tried to compile some PD stuff for HPPA. Some sources are still compiled by others, e.g. Opener.app and OmniWeb. Contact them if you need the binaries. All the PD stuff I compiled are on our ftp server ftp.ecrc.de Login with username and email-address , as usual. The path is: /pub/NeXT Here the binaries are located at HPPABIN. You will also find a src directory containing a lot of sources which I tried to compile. Feel free to download things. NOTICE: I did not test most of the binaries. So I am not responsible if they work or crash your system. The MPEG_Players do not work for me. If you find other sources helpful to compile, let me know. If you compiled sources which are not on the server, tell me immediately, I will use them :-) If you have binaries you want to put onto our server, but not the sources, contact me. There is another server containing also binaries. It is called ftp.biomath.jussieu.fr Thanks to Jean-Francois BOISVIEUX (jfb@biomath.jussieu.fr ) who is also doing something for the NeXT friends :-) That is all. Have fun. KAY SCHULZ kay@ecrc.de
From: guest@blackplague.gmu.edu (IDO Guest Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 9 Jun 1994 10:18:46 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2t6qa6$402@portal.gmu.edu> References: <1994Jun7.231442.6075@millennium.com> <Cr246G.no@dsinc!flash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please DO NOT REPLY to this account, our fiber is broken, and thsi is NOT my normal home by any stretch. 95% of our machines are on the other side of the fiber cut, so I'm SOL till sometime tomorrow Mail me at tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu, or tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu. Direct any replys there. That much being said, I have to admit I've wanted to jump into this one from about the 6th article. :> This is a GOOD discussion IMHO. *WARNING*: THIS IS WAY LONG, but contains allmost NO "opinion" stuff, I've tried to keep it totaly technical. Just my experinces and solutions, with no crap. It IS pretty detailed, but that's in the hope that people who _don't_know_ way much will find it helpful.. I'm not going to quote, I'm presuming you've followed the prior threads. Besides I can chow bandwith like a total windbag ALL ON MY OWN! (Seriously, sorry, I did go back & cut 2 pages.) Now as far as the hiwat/lowat debated goes, I can tell you that it works for me. I've TESTED it to death, with some pretty hard thrashing, just cause I like to try things out as much as possible on these puppies. My setups is as follows. I have a MonoSlab, 25 mgz. Disk wise I have a 105 internal, & 2 externals, one 670 meg & one 1.4 gig. I have set up my swap with the 105 as a swapdisk, with the "preferred" switch & all that noise on, and with the 670 meg without prefrence, and the 1.4 gig without as well. The last two are in that order in the swaptab, so it goes to the 670 second etc. It works for me running NS 3.2, and setting up a secondary worked uder 3.0, and under 2.2 as well. Prior to that I didn't have a big enough disk (just the 105) so it was a moot issue. If setting up a secondary swap file DOES NOT work for you, you may be doing something wrong... In any event, try running normally, & if it get's near full, or you know that you are going to do something beastly, have an alternate swaptab, and do a "mach_swapon -v -f myswaptab" & it will start paging on that one too. (check your preferred thing too... It does make a diffrence, & this part works too). The "swapfile" & directory MUST exist allready. I've also set up swapping on a "separate" partition, (you might wonder how? :>) Basicly I wrote my own disktab, & built the damn thing by hand. It worked just fine. However, I saw NO "fantastic" improvement no matter what I did with it, so I gave it up as being relativly worthless. The performance improvment I did see was nothing special. I do NOT think this is the solution. I saw no great improvements. Try it if you want. Now there is one Serious thing that can and will make a BIG diffrence in how you swap. This is the "hiwat" setup. Not setting one is a BAD idea. If you have an disk set up to be as "swapdisk" you should set up a "hiwat". If you don't the disk will fill to 110% and evil things will happen. If you know you're goign to write into /tmp a good bit, then run with a "setenv TMP /some/other/disk/dir" and a "setenv TEMP /some/other/disk/dir" (the last just to be safe) in your cshrc or your .login files. This also isn't a bad idea to do if you are going to be doing alot of tmp file writing ANYWAY as it puts it on 2 disks. This also is a good idea on other Unixes, it's NOT some "workaround". In fact I started doing this on Sun's LONG before I did on any NeXT. if your "hiwat" is set with enough room so that you can write into /tmp without running out of room between the 2, you'll be ok, & things won't horridly lock up if you can swap to another disk. If not, you avoid playing havoc with the disk setup (more on that next). Filling it to 110% is real bad and will crash your box, and in some extreme cases make it damn hard to reboot. We have a lab full of NeXT's at GMU & people running Mathimatica managed to do this often till we set a hiwat. Beyond swaptab hacking, you can also tune your disk, with some effect. "man tunefs" to see the deal. You can change some of this stuff on the fly, but have to reboot to see it take effect. On my swapdisk, I have a "minfree" set to 20%, and optimization turned onto "time". I've noticed in the past that the optimization switches on demand back & forth, but it dosn't seem to get lost. (kewl :) I would NOT screw with the "rotational delay" etc. etc. unless you're like a SCSI disk god, for real. Check out "dumpfs" for some cool info on things... It's LONG on big disks, be warned. I've found that tuning my disk decently DOES help, more than the separate partition thing did in the case of a bad tune too. I have never seen a setup where properly configured swap will not swap onto a second file. If it's not doing it, you've probably got something a tad hosed up in the swaptab file. (check your whitespace etc.) This is after looking at swap on ALOT of NeXTs, both at GMU & when I worked as a consultant to our (former) local NeXT VAR. The WindowServer presents another issue. "Exit"-ing is a good solution to many things, and restarting it is NOT a bad idea. I do it all the time. Putting it in a logout hook or in a .logout file basicly will give you the same automated kill that you get with X too. I DO NOT think it ought to be "automatic". No good reason, & especially if people run things off of the box that you're planning on doing it on. Making a script or a program to kill it off is trivial, and frankly, asking that it be changed causes more problems than it fixes. More applications address the WindowServer than you might think, and that's where alot of VM for it comes from. Check out "Winfo" off the archives to see what's happening with the windows ALONE. Programs can address it for diffrent functions too, so that's not all there can be either... The "8 meg" thing is a tad diffrent. Bad things happen when you try and run with 8 megs under 3.0 or higher. First, the OS itself can end up swapping immedatly (ixbuild etc.) Also, app's that are being run can start to swap. I suspect that there are bad things happening when this is done BESIDES just the massive amounts of swapping going on. I think that the efficiency take's such a hit that the performance for the swapfile is degenerative, and the OS deals with it in a much poorer way. From what I know of how things work, and from what I can surmise of the algorithm's governing VM & swap, in that case, EVERYTHING is trying to happen "RIGHT NOW", so prioritizing & ordering goes bang. Also, the problems that Avie mentioned, get totaly and somewhat wildly magnified. Simply because the system is sort of freaking out trying to deal with it's _Lack_ of ram. 12 Megs is the bare minimum for ANY system, and I'd say 16 on a Color box at a Bare minimum. I've not seen a system yet where if you try to do the things we take for granted on a NeXT, you will not need a similar amount of RAM either. I have a a couple of friends who've tried to run with 8 megs, on turbo boxes, and my 25 mgz system just beats the pants off of them performance wise. I ran for a WHILE with 8 megs, under 2.0-3.0, and got "disk first" then bought ram. I set up a "swapdisk" first, saw some improvment, but was STUNNED at the diffence getting more ram made. Swap, No MATTER WHAT I DID, including booting & swapping off one disk, suddenly got one hell of alot better OVERALL! I've even put my ram down to 16 megs, and dogged my box JUST to test it, (low as I could go above 8), and it STILL made a hell of a diffrence. At GMU, the "lab" mono slabs (25 mgz) have 12 megs. They even run way faster than 8 meg turbo boxes, color OR mono. My conclusion from observation is that you need to have RAM above the 8 meg line. The OS really REALLY _REALLY_ likes it, and since not having it basicly makes it "thrash". (Thrashing is Common behavior to to ANY Unix, (Windumb boxes don't even try), if you load them too heavy ram&cpu wise. I've seen more Sun's do it than NeXT's honestly.)It's not that you CAN'T RUN a NeXT on 8 megs, it's just that you will see problems. I'd put the "Well I can live with this, sort of" minimum at 12 megs. NeXT has been decent & honest in the RAM reccomendations. The "Please make it SHRINK" argument has been going on a long time, and I've actually made my own spasm's about it when I was using 8 megs, & heard alot of complaints etc, and been of the the opinion that it needed "fixing". With the Intel release, it started anew, and this time around I decided to look at the issues in depth, as opposed to BWR-ing (Bitching Without Reasearch). Taking into account the need & desire for "long uptime", especially in distributed, and "net booted" enviornments, I would NOT call a "fix" life or death. Running rendering or other heavy application type things on an NFS or Netinfo server is BAD, and should NOT be done. The same thing is true of ANY Unix box, running NIS & NFS etc. I do think it's a complex issue, and a "solution" won't be easy to code. Nor do I think "automatic garbage collection" is the way to go either. That'd be REAL BAD, for the reason's that people have gone into, and cause it could potentialy blow things up. It's simply NOT either safe, efficient, or desireable from a performace POV. However, I DO think a utility, to do rebuilds of the swpafile would be very very useful, especially where "uptime" is critical. To avoid problems, it should: Check for "uid" authority, I'd give users the ability to reboot at will before I'd let them randomly use this one. Check for running Applications, and for User owned processes, perhaps that are above a "certain" VM level. Ask that they be killed off, and list which ones they are, or kill them UNLESS they are specified to be left running after the listing is done. (ex. "list PID's of processes NOT to clear> 2478 1220 <CR>") Calculate the Space needed for the "New" swapfile, plus like a 1-2 meg "safety" margin perhaps, based the calculation on what is running, and what's swapped, and NOT let the operation take place if there is not suffcient space to perform it in. Obviously there is probably more I'm missing (-NXHost open's?, using /etc/nologin's? etc.) to make things "stable" so it'd be effcient as possible, but I DO think it'd be worth having. I realize that doing this would basicly require a "corrisponding mach_swapoff", and probably a bit of a hack to mount (adapt -o,remount ?) but it would be worth the time it'd take to do it. Even if it were primative. I realize doing all the Child processes, and dealing with all the threads in a sane manner would be the WORST part of it, but to be honest, I know, and I belive other people in enterprise NeXT enviornments, would benefit from something like this. The one thing I've not hit on with the whole swap "deal" is the application question. NeXT pays a HELL of ALOT of attention to this, but developers don't allways do it. Every NeXT related programming book talks about this in depth too. However, "early" applications, and App's that arn't behaving correctly, can CHOW on VM, and NOT free it up. GUI's cost, and between stuff that chomps on the GUI, and leaky stuff, you can see reallocation problems. NeXT can't do any more than they Allready do for this problem from what I can see. {large paragraph about how fixing disk utils & how "reasb" is broken ommited, I'm going to submit a Bug report instead. Try this tho, what happens to a "BAD" block when "reasb" fails?!, and ask "surface analysis" & "partitions" & think "maybye *I* need 3 partions".} Sorry this was sooo long, but hey mayhaps it was helpful. Tim Scanlon tfs@gravity.science.gmu.edu tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu [answer to the "reasb" question: The block stays bad. It does NOT get marked as bad in the event that it can't be read & reassigned. EVIL! Answer to the surface analysis question: You want what? hahahahha. Borrow a Sun, fix it on that.]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: NeXT step /mac compatable? Message-ID: <Cr3Lt2.1yy@chemelex.com> Sender: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation Distribution: ba,na,usa,world Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 21:46:14 GMT Are there any machines out there that are compatable with nextstep and macintosh os? I'm trying to get a traveling/home use machine for my group. I have a NeXT cube and my boss has a quadra... and we'd rather not buy two machines and so am wondering if anyone has solved this particular problem. Regards, Fred Schenkelberg NeXTmail enjoyed fms@chemelex.com Redwood City, CA -- Fred Schenkelberg
From: tlyon@css.itd.umich.edu (Tony Lyon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Workspace Mgr goofy Date: 9 Jun 1994 15:19:01 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD/User Services Message-ID: <2t7bt5$noq@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> I'm working on a Turbo slab, and after a reload of Release 3.0 most of the NextApps cuase workspace manager errors when you try to even move them. Specifically, Terminal causes the error message "Try saving work before closing Workspace Manager" and then it logs me out. Ideas/comments/suggestions gleefully accepted. Tony Lyon tlyon@umich.edu
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: can't tell what dies on startup (was Re: Network woes on NS/FIP) Message-ID: <940609.083241.8j0.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:32:41 -0600 References: <chris.9.00167548@clubside.digex.net> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada chris@clubside.digex.net (Chris Rowley) writes: > When I boot, the system appears to hang after clearing the > screen. When the Wietek P9000 driver kicks in, it clears the > screen, and I don't get to see the rest of the diagnostic startup > messages. The hard drive stops. Forever. Unless I hit Ctrl-C. The > hard drive resumes, and up comes the system, I log in as root, > check the /usr/adm/messages file, and it won't tell me what I hit > Ctrl-C to interrupt. is it an option to change rc.local so that it spits out a `date' command's output to a log file every command? then you can simply check where the big gap occured (or just keep your clocks sync'd). -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Message-ID: <1994Jun6.162304.28374@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1994Jun5.221433.24748@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2su98t$4ip@rosie.next.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:23:04 GMT [Avie's long explanation deleted]. Now that's an answer! I really appreciate someone knowledgable from NeXT coming on the net to clear things like this up. It's been a long time since that's happened to one of my questions (recently more "rants"). I still hold that the current situation can improve, and Avie's explanation agrees with that. It seems to be just a matter of time and money to do it. It's hard, but NeXT has always had smart people building software. So, my vote is to go ahead and do it. Or at least, some in-between hack that can compact these things at night so we don't have to reboot all the time. I hope that it becomes somewhat more a priority. - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
From: snyers@yosemite.enst-bretagne.fr (Dominique SNYERS (Equipe IA SC)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HTML editor Keywords: HTML Message-ID: <852@enstb.enst-bretagne.fr> Date: 10 Jun 94 08:48:03 GMT Sender: news@enstb.enst-bretagne.fr Is there an HTML editor somewhere? I mean I would like to be able to compose HTML page for WWW just like I do in Edit.APP with rtfd file. Dominique Snyers -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Laboratoire I.A et Systemes Cognitifs Tel: (33) 98 00 14 31 ENST de Bretagne Fax: (33) 98 00 10 30 BP 832 29285 BREST CEDEX E-mail: Dominique.Snyers@enst-bretagne.fr FRANCE
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 13 Jun 1994 14:14:33 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2thpk9$c0t@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2tfoul$e5m@apollo.west.oic.com> dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > : [someone talking about the advantage of swap partitions > : over swapfiles - I've lost track of who] writes: > :> (2) Fewer failure modes, MANY FEWER FAILURE MODES > :> (a) The filesystem can't fill up and leave swap with > :> nothing left. [details munched] > :> (b) Swap can't fill up and leave the filesystem with > :> nothing left. [details munched] > :> (c) Filesystem corruption will not effect a swap > :> partition, and swapping to a swap partition will > :> not make filesystem corruption worse. [munch] > :> (d) Machine-Crashes are less likely to corrupt the > :> filesystem when you have a swap partition. > : > : The (a) and (b) issues are not due to swap partitions per se, they > : are due to having swaping on a separate partition than "most other > : stuff". I'm not just nit-picking with that distinction. On my NeXT, > : I have the swapfile on a separate disk than "most other stuff". It > : is still a file in a regular unix file system. It does not suffer > : from (a) or (b) because every other file on that file system is a > > (a) and (b) do not apply for you, but they do apply for the majority > of NeXT installations. Most installations have one big partition. Um, how is that fact relevent? Most installations don't have a swap partitioin either (given that it's not supported :-), but I did not list that as a reason that swap partitions should not be considered. If a change is made to add support for swap partitions, then anyone who wants to take advantage of that support is going to have to create a partition that they don't currently have. That is just as disruptive as creating a separate file system partition which you then move the swapfile to. I'm debating whether swap paritions per se have advantages over a swapfile on a separate file system partition. > :Seems to me that this same distinction means that issues (c) and (d) > :aren't all that significant either. [munch] > > (c) and (d) do apply... unless you mount the partition read-only, > every time you access a file or directory the access time will be > updated in the file inode, requiring a write. Not to mention > writes to the swap file. So the potential is always there. > (and before anybody complains that the potential is always there > anyway, my original point was that problem becomes exasperated > when using a swap file on an active partition). Whoops. I didn't include a sentance in that "Seems to me" paragraph that I meant to include. I wanted to say something like "but I'm too tired to think it thru right now". I guess I was too tired to remember to write that sentance... I still think that putting the swapfile on a file system partition along with *read-only* files (and in particular, files that I only reference occasionally, as opposed to Headers or something) will *greatly* reduce (c) and (d). And the nice thing is, even if that partition is totally wiped out due to a file system problem, it's trivial to recreate all of it (since one can just copy the files off the CD-ROM again - as they aren't changing). > :Your arguments basically boil down to "the swapping should be done > :on a separate partition than all your active files are on", which > :is not the same as "you must have a swap parition". The only > :advantage to the swap partition that is left is the one originally > :mentioned, namely speed. > > Yes, at which point it is exactly as you say... why waste the > overhead of a swap file when you have to used a fixed swap size > anyway to avoid the whole shitload of corruptive mechanisms that > can occur under normal operation... i.e. the OS doesn't crash > but some app fills swap or fills a filesystem. At that point > you might as well use a swap partition instead of a swap file > to get the speed advantage. The swapfile in a file system is still easier to change around. I have a 170 meg external hard disk which has a swapfile on it. The swapfile has a lowat mark of 64 meg, and sometimes grows to 100meg. Right now I store about 50meg of static files on it. Let's say I start getting hog-wild with photo CD image processing again, and I really need to have 120meg available for swap space. All I have to do is move some files off the separate partition I'm using, and I have more swap space available to me. I don't have to reformat my partitions, I don't even have to reboot. I have assumed all along that a swap partition would have somewhat better performance than putting the swapfile in the file system, but I still think that's the only significant benefit. All the other benefits that were listed for dedicated swap partitions, are still pretty much covered by putting the swapfile on a file system partition that's separate from your busy files. People can do that now, without having to ask NeXT to include code for dedicated swap partitions. It is no more tramatic to create another file system partition than it would be to create a dedicated swap partition. I don't mean to dismiss the probable speed advantage, I just don't think there should be a long list of advantages touted if there really is only the one advantage. > I'll stick to my ordering. #1 should be more statistics on > memory and swap usage by individual processes, #2 should be > a reworking of the system to free resources intelligently > rather then just leave them in VM. X suffers from this > problem as well, but it is no where near as bad as NeXTStep. > (And, before someone complains about problems with sbrk() > and rbrk() under standard UNIX systems, I should note that > all modern UNIX systems implement mmap() which an excellent > way to manage memory resources at a much finer granularity > than the *brk() routines. Mach has no advantage there). I don't have enough background to champion any other ordering of things to do, so this priority list seems as reasonable to me as the other ones that were offered. It would be nice to see NeXT investigating this general area more, but that's up to NeXT to do I'm afraid. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: POSIX functions? Message-ID: <1994Jun17.153441.21675@cc.usu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 17 Jun 94 15:34:41 MDT Organization: As little as I can get away with... What does one do to access POSIX functions? Please Cc: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu. Thanks, -- kc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: rtf portable to other systems? Message-ID: <Jun18.011506.35406@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 01:15:06 GMT References: <PJS.94Jun17052536@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada In article <PJS.94Jun17052536@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> pjs@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) writes: > In article <2tq0nh$r6j@hpscit.sc.hp.com> sailer@a4430edc.esr.hp.com > (Lee Sailer) writes: > > Paul J. Sanchez (pjs@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu) wrote: > > I'd like to be able to use Edit to write memos in rtf, since it's > > so darned easy to do. My problem is getting people on other > > systems to accept it in an electronic rather than paper > > environment. So are there any decent (easy to use) free rtf > > edit/display programs for other environments? > > I think most Windows Word Processors will read RTF files. > > Thanks, Lee. I knew from Garfinkel & Mahoney's book that RTF was a > Microsloth invention, so I didn't think Windows would be any problem. > Does anyone know of an RTF editor for X environments? > Despite what some others have said, RTF is not *that* incompatible between platforms. The main problems are: 1) "extended" characters (i.e. the ones above ASCII decimal code 128) are not standard between the platforms, and RTF does not encode them in an easily portable way (a shortcoming, in my opinion), 2) "standard" image formats differ (e.g., PICT on the Mac, versus Bitmap on PCs, versus Postscript and TIFF on NeXT), 3) NeXT has made extensions, particularly for images (i.e. .rtfd files) that the other platforms do not support at all (plus a few things NeXT's version does not support), and 4) fonts. So, if you are doing text only (no images) without accented characters, and stick to fonts present on both platforms, it usually works fine. At least, that has been my experience, both to and from Macs and PCs. For NeXT<->Mac, there is a NeXT program called Convert_RTF, or something like that, available on the usual archive sites, which will convert the "extended" characters in Mac RTF files to NeXT's encoding, and will also convert PICT files to Postscript. It works great. There is also a command-line filter program called "rtffix", by Nik A Gervae which will convert between character encodings. It includes filters for NeXT<->Mac and between NeXT WriteNow (which is a bit weird about its encoding) and Mac. Further filters can be made by producing a conversion table file, so presumably you could sit down and write a NeXT<->PC and NeXT<->Windows encoding table too (although I have not done this for RTF, I have for straight ASCII - it is simple to do). I think this is also available on the NeXT archive sites. Finally, *hot* off the presses, I just noticed this in comp.archives. It could be the start of a truely portable RTF tool. Of course, I haven't even checked it out myself yet :-) Hopefully someone with an interest in NEXTSTEP will take a look at it, and possibly enhance it to support NEXTSTEP's peculiarities (I'm half tempted myself). This could even be the starting point for a "public" Text object for use on other platforms (I'm really stretching here :-)). Anyway, it looks quite interesting. -Andrew macrae@pandora.geo.ucalgary.ca or: macrae@geo.ucalgary.ca ===================== From: gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert) Newsgroups: comp.archives Subject: [comp.windows.misc] Announcing free, cross-platform RTF document viewer Followup-To: poster Date: 16 Jun 1994 14:17:59 +0200 Lines: 50 Sender: x920031@rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de Message-ID: <2tpftn$ch9@rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> References: <CrFuuw.82C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Archive-Name: auto/comp.windows.misc/Announcing-free-cross-platform-RTF-document-viewer RTFViewer is a program that will display documents stored in Microsoft's Rich Text Format (RTF), and it is usable on the common computer systems including Macintosh, Motif/XWindows and MS-Windows. This may be the first freely available RTF viewing program for some of these platforms. RTF documents can include a variety of fonts including symbols, font sizes and styles, super-scripting and sub-scripting, tabbing, paragraph formatting, and pictures (in both vector and bitmap forms). Executables of the program are available via gopher or ftp at ftp.bio.indiana.edu: /util/dclap/apps/rtfviewer. It is built on a cross-platform C toolkit from the Nat'l Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI), especially Jonathan Kans' Vibrant user interface toolkit. This was combined with Paul Dubois' excellent RTF parsing routines. On top of this toolkit, the author built a C++ application framework that is patterned after the MacApp framework from Apple Computer. This framework is available freely to the public, as is NCBI's toolkit and Paul Dubois RTF parser. The home archive location for DCLAP is {ftp,gopher} to ftp.bio.indiana.edu:/util/dclap. This initial release of RTFViewer lacks important features, and also it includes several bugs. There are application executables for Macintosh, MS-Windows, and Sun Sparcstation, with a Silicon Graphics version expected soon. Source code is available, at the DCLAP home, to those who wish to compile it on their own systems. Comments, bug reports and suggestions for new features may be addressed via e-mail to dclap@Bio.Indiana.Edu History June 1994, v 0.1. first release to public, along with GopherPup v 0.2 that supports network RTF. This release of RTFViewer includes the core of RTF processing (fonts,styles,font-sizes,center/right/left just, paragraphing,tabbing). It lacks various RTF features, esp. tables formats (but tabbing can substitute). It currently includes picture support for Macintosh PICT format only (various MSWindows image formats are defined also for RTF), but that format allows documents to show both vector and pixmap pictures. There are some various bugs and drawbacks to this library -- it is still young. Among the more important here is that printing is not defined for X-Window systems... -- -- d.gilbert--biocomputing--indiana u--bloomington--gilbertd@bio.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Dave@NexusAdmin.COM(David W. Fahrney) Subject: Re: Address of Unter Ecker Message-ID: <CrI4Cz.2Gs@nexusadmin.com> Sender: dave@nexusadmin.com (David W. Fahrney) Organization: Nexus Administration References: <940616121750.1179AAC6H.info@barkley> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:53:22 GMT info@paradigm-shift.com writes !> Unter Ecker Software can be reached at the following: !> !> 49-6131-368804 [voice] !> 49-6131-365416 [fax] !> !> untereck@vipmzw.physik.uni-mainz.ds [email] !> !> in the US call Alembix Systems at: !> !> 800-452-7608 !> 303-799-6223 !> 303-799-1435 [fax] !> info@alembix.com That's Alembic Systems info@alembic.com The phone numbers are right. -- David W. Fahrney =:-)
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Address of Unter Ecker Date: 17 Jun 1994 00:22:32 GMT Organization: MCNC/NC-REN Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tqqc8$84l@inxs.concert.net> References: <2tqma7$aft@u.cc.utah.edu> In article <2tqma7$aft@u.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) writes: > Have they changed their name, has Dave made an easy typing error, or is it > still Alembic? > David made a typing error, of course. I think that post was made late, late evening or early, early morning. :-) Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimbo@oingo.umn.edu Subject: Re: zipadedooazipadeea Message-ID: <CrIn51.FBF@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <1994Jun15.195825.8645@iitmax.iit.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:40:26 GMT In article <1994Jun15.195825.8645@iitmax.iit.edu> pat@biocat1.iit.edu (pathikrit bandyopadhyay) writes: > is there a zip utility available for the next ? in other words how do i a > unzip a file in the next ? (gunzip does not work on this file). > thanks. The latest version of Opener.app does .zip files, try cs.orst
From: torsten@eirah.ping.de (Torsten van Beeck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: top module for NS 3.2 wanted Date: 17 Jun 1994 01:33:08 GMT Organization: Torsten's Ideenschmiede Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tqugk$dim@eirah.ping.de> Hello ... can anybody tell me where to find a top 3.2/3.3 module for NS 3.2. Thanx in advance. Bye, Torsten
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) Subject: It's 4:08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Message-ID: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 03:00:42 GMT Lately I have noticed a strange problem with my NeXT slab (a NeXTstation running 3.1). Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it hangs at 4:08 AM. I haven't bothered to stay up until 4:08 (or reset the clock to just before 4:08). I just figured I would ask to see if anyone has seen a problem like this. -- ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Alan F. Perry | Life is short, but by achieving greater speeds alanp@eng.sun.com (work) | a man can make his life a little longer and esprit@netcom.com (home) | more affluent - Soichiro Honda
From: klund@haas.berkeley.edu (Kyle Lundstedt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interested in getting S-PLUS to NEXTSTEP? Date: 10 Jun 1994 21:01:32 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2takbc$oke@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <mohan.771046579@husc4.harvard.edu> Keywords: statistics,econometrics Just to add another voice to the chorus: If you have suffered with SAS, you'll find S-PLUS is a joy. So let's get the best statistics software running in the best environment. Email StatSci (Tom Conlon, tom@statsci.com) and tell them you want S-PLUS ported to NEXTSTEP! In article <mohan.771046579@husc4.harvard.edu> writes: > > * > * Interested in getting S-PLUS ported to NEXTSTEP? ... Kyle Lundstedt PhD Program, Finance and Real Estate Haas School of Business, U.C. Berkeley klund@haas.berkeley.edu
From: slxn8@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Display problem using Diamond Viper card Message-ID: <1994Jun12.121841.21363@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jun 94 12:18:41 MDT References: <2talmq$1qa@portal.gmu.edu> Organization: Utah State University In article <2talmq$1qa@portal.gmu.edu>, emarshal@mason1.gmu.edu (ERIC R. MARSHALL) writes: > When I set the display mode to RGB/16 color at 1152x900 > at 60 Hz, the pixels seem to vibrate back and forth a tiny amount > on the screen. Does anyone know why this happens? I called my > monitor manufacturer (MAG) and they thought it was a problem with > the device driver (No, please not another device driver flame war :-). > I've also seen this occur on a new Nanao. Both machines are 66 > MHz Pentiums. This vibrating does not occur when I use a display > mode of RGB/16 color at 1024x768 at 60 Hz. > > Has anyone else experienced this? This isn't terribly annoying, > I'm just curious :-) > > Thank in advance. I am using an NEC Image P60 (60mhz pentium) with a Diamond Viper PCI card at 1152x900 @ 60Hz with a Nanao FlexScan T560i and do not experience the problems you describe. Perhaps you have a flaky monitor. John Z. slxn8@cc.usu.edu
From: sanguish@digifix.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Quick guide to NEXTSTEP Information on the Internet Date: 13 Jun 1994 01:49:51 -0400 Organization: Next Announcements Message-ID: <2tgs1v$qbe@digifix.digifix.com> Topics include: Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information Server online comp.sys.next newsgroups related newsgroups comp.sys.next newsgroups mailing list ftp sites NeXTanswers New Information --------------- Stepwise NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Information Server online A product directory built around the World Wide Web system, this will allow full multimedia announcements by NEXTSTEP developers, as well as the ability to browse the available products for NEXTSTEP. This service is online now, and can be reached at http://digifix.digifix.com/ it can be reached using OmniWeb (available from ftp.omnigroup.com) or Mosaic. The entries are coming in quite quickly, and currently consist of - NeXT Press Releases - OpenStep WhitePapers - Third Party Products Directory - NEXTSTEP Developer Directory - NEXTSTEP Community WhitePages - NEXTSTEP User Group Directory - comp.sys.next.announce archives (searchable) - searchable contents of Third Party compilation CDs Additionally the NEXTSTEP Product Information Mail Server will be stocked full file files in the next week... you can get information on using the mail server at ns-products@digifix.com Suggestions or comments can be directed to me at sanguish@digifix.com comp.sys.next.* newsgroups -------------------------- Comp.Sys.Next.Advocacy This is the "why NEXTSTEP is better (or worse) than anything else in the known universe" forum. It was created specifically to divert lengthy flame wars from .misc. Comp.Sys.Next.Announce Announcements of general interest to the NeXT community (new products, FTP submissions, user group meetings, commercial announcements etc.) The NEXTSTEP FAQs are posted here monthly as well. This is a moderated newsgroup, meaning that you can't post to it directly. Submissions should be e-mailed to next-announce@digifix.com where the moderator (Scott Anguish) will screen them for suitability. Comp.Sys.Next.Bugs A place to report verifiable bugs in NeXT-supplied software. Material e-mailed to Bug_NeXT@NeXT.COM is not published, so this is a place for the net community find out about problems when they're discovered. This newsgroup has a very poor signal/noise ratio--all too often bozos post stuff here that really belongs someplace else. It rarely makes sense to crosspost between this and other c.s.n.* newsgroups, but individual reports may be germane to certain non-NeXT- specific groups as well. Comp.Sys.Next.Hardware Discussions about NeXT-label hardware and compatible peripherals, and non-NeXT-produced hardware (e.g. Intel) that is compatible with NEXTSTEP. In most cases, questions about Intel hardware are better asked in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. Questions about SCSI devices belong in comp.periphs.scsi. This isn't the place to buy or sell used NeXTs--that's what .marketplace is for. Comp.Sys.Next.Marketplace NeXT stuff for sale/wanted. Material posted here must not be crossposted to any other c.s.n.* newsgroup, but may be crossposted to misc.forsale.computers.workstation or appropriate regional newsgroups. Comp.Sys.Next.Misc For stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. Anything you post here by definition doesn't belong anywhere else in c.s.n.*--i.e. no crossposting!!! Comp.Sys.Next.Programmer Questions and discussions of interest to NEXTSTEP programmers. This is primarily a forum for advanced technical material. The NEXTSTEP programmer FAQs are posted here. Generic UNIX questions belong elsewhere (comp.unix.questions), although specific questions about NeXT's implementation or porting issues are appropriate here. Note that there are several other more "horizontal" newsgroups (comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.postscript, comp.os.mach, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, etc.) that may also be of interest. Comp.Sys.Next.Software This is a place to talk about [third party] software products that run on NEXTSTEP systems. Comp.Sys.Next.Sysadmin Stuff relating to NeXT system administration issues; in rare cases this will spill over into .programmer or .software. related Newsgroups ------------------ Comp.Soft-Sys.Nextstep Like comp.sys.next.software and comp.sys.next.misc combined. Exists because NeXT is a software-only company now, and comp.soft-sys is for discussion of software systems with scope similar to NEXTSTEP. Comp.Lang.Objective-C Technical talk about the Objective-C language. Implemetations discussed include NeXT, Gnu, Stepstone, etc. Comp.Object Technical talk about OOP in general. Lots of C++ discussion, but NeXT and Objective-C get quite a bit of attention. At times gets almost philosophical about objects, but then again OOP allows one to be a programmer/philosopher. (The original Comp.Sys.Next no longer exists--do not attempt to post to it.) Exception to the crossposting restrictions: announcements of usenet RFDs or CFVs, when made by the news.announce.newgroups moderator, may be simultaneously crossposted to all c.s.n.* newsgroups. 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From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 13 Jun 1994 08:49:08 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2th6i4$rqs@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2teo6l$elm@yucca.omnigroup.com> <2tfig5$gbv@news.duke.edu> In article <2tfig5$gbv@news.duke.edu> blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) writes: >Too bad SF doesn't have an Omni Hotel for you! It's *not* too bad. The fine folks in rec.arts.sf.fandom will no doubt be more than happy to clue you in. -=EPS=- -- I still have my "Didn't you know OMNI is Latin for `up yours?'" button from Westercon 45.
From: lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Harald Lauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Did JANA deliver ? Date: 13 Jun 1994 08:36:22 GMT Organization: University of Tuebingen Distribution: world Message-ID: <2th5q6$enf@wsiserv.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <2ta8ju$11jo@columba.udac.uu.se> No, I'm still waiting for my second disk. I hope they're out of business and not making money from other fools. Bye, Harald --- Harald Lauer Those health nuts will look Wilhelm-Schickard Institut fuer Informatik stupid someday, lying in Universitaet Tuebingen hospital dying of nothing.
From: "Scott A. McIntyre" <S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Did JANA deliver ? Date: 13 Jun 1994 09:18:28 GMT Organization: University of Durham, Durham, UK. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2th894$92f@mercury.dur.ac.uk> References: <2ta8ju$11jo@columba.udac.uu.se> <2th5q6$enf@wsiserv.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Harald Lauer (lauer@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de) wrote: : No, I'm still waiting for my second disk. : I hope they're out of business and not making money from other fools. I've received 3 so far... I guess PT Barnum was right. -- GAT d-- -p+ c++++ !l u++ e+++@ m++(*) s+/+@ n+ h-- f+@(?) g+ w+++ t++ r- y**(+) EMAIL: scott@shrug.org (NeXTmail accepted) OR S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk WWW: http://shrug.org/~scott/ Drink Coca Cola (tm)
From: dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 12 Jun 1994 12:50:45 -0700 Organization: Obvious Implementations Corp Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tfoul$e5m@apollo.west.oic.com> References: <2tb3jr$p0f@apollo.west.oic.com> <2tbath$2om@usenet.rpi.edu> In article <2tbath$2om@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: :dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: :> sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: :> :Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: :> : :> :: The fact that NEXTSTEP doesn't ever shrink the swapfile is simply :> :: indefensible. This implies that sooner or later, through normal : :> (2) Fewer failure modes, MANY FEWER FAILURE MODES :> (a) The filesystem can't fill up and leave swap with nothing left. :> If a process runs away or the news/mail system fills up the :> disk, the result can be a completely crashed machine when you :> depend on 'growable' swap files rather then simply having a :> subsystem die on you -- recoverable without rebooting. :> :> (b) Swap can't fill up and leave the filesystem with nothing left. :> If I run out of swap there is a HUGE potential for >> additional corruption of files due to standard system services :> being unable to write to the filesystem. >> :> (c) Filesystem corruption will not effect a swap partition, :> and swapping to a swap partition will not make filesystem :> corruption worse. Again, its the difference between being :> able to unmount a filesystem and fsck'ing it and crashing :> the machine hard... or even the ability to reboot the :> machine at all. :> :> (d) Machine-Crashes are less likely to corrupt the filesystem when :> you have a swap partition. : :The (a) and (b) issues are not due to swap partitions per se, they :are due to having swaping on a separate partition than "most other :stuff". I'm not just nit-picking with that distinction. On my NeXT, :I have the swapfile on a separate disk than "most other stuff". It :is still a file in a regular unix file system. It does not suffer :from (a) or (b) because every other file on that file system is a (a) and (b) do not apply for you, but they do apply for the majority of NeXT installations. Most installations have one big partition. :Seems to me that this same distinction means that issues (c) and (d) :aren't all that significant either. Now, you may ask, what is the :point of *not* having a swap partition if I've got a separate disk :anyway? Well, all those never-changing static files are now on :the separate disk, instead taking up space on my boot disk. They :are still accessible at hard-disk speeds (as opposed to having them :on the CD-ROM), but I have more disk space on my primary drive. (c) and (d) do apply... unless you mount the partition read-only, every time you access a file or directory the access time will be updated in the file inode, requiring a write. Not to mention writes to the swap file. So the potential is always there. (and before anybody complains that the potential is always there anyway, my original point was that problem becomes exasperated when using a swap file on an active partition). An intermediate solution such as the one Sun takes ... putting the swap on a separate /tmp partition, avoids (c) and (d) reasonably well, but you still have the problem with (a) and (b). :Your arguments basically boil down to "the swapping should be done :on a separate partition than all your active files are on", which :is not the same as "you must have a swap parition". The only :advantage to the swap partition that is left is the one originally :mentioned, namely speed. Yes, at which point it is exactly as you say... why waste the overhead of a swap file when you have to used a fixed swap size anyway to avoid the whole shitload of corruptive mechanisms that can occur under normal operation... i.e. the OS doesn't crash but some app fills swap or fills a filesystem. At that point you might as well use a swap partition instead of a swap file to get the speed advantage. :> NeXT's problems with swap and memory usage cannot be narrowed :> down to any one thing... it is a combination of many different :> smaller problems coupled with NeXT's lack of committment to :> fixing the source of the problems. Instead, NeXT creates new :> hacks, like swap file compression (which is a stupid place to :> put compression!). : :I agree that there are some problems here (I also basically agree :with several paragraphs of stuff I skipped over...). I don't :agree that the swap file compression was stupid. Well, I have to admit that the swapfile compression 'works' in reducing swap file requirements. My problem with it is that it is a huge hack... I would have rather NeXT spent the time to fix the memory usage problem rather then add nasty compression hacks. :> tell where you stand as you try to fix all the other :> problems. : :I think the first thing I'd like to see is someone at NeXT following :up on the issues that Cliff has been pursuign in the "swapfile" :thread in csn.misc. So, I'd make the above thing second on the :list. Actually, let me rephrase that... the absolute number one priority should not be the swap file reallocation. Instead, it should be better tracking of memory and swap usage for individual processes. vm_stat simply doesn't cut it in terms of finding out what is going on. :> (2) Stop caching everything under the sun [etc] :> (3) Implement all remaining resource limits. :> (4) Go through ALL of your apps looking for page pings [etc] : :These all sound like reasonable ideas, but I have no strong :feeling about any particular order of them (or perhaps other :changes that would be worth pursuing). I'll stick to my ordering. #1 should be more statistics on memory and swap usage by individual processes, #2 should be a reworking of the system to free resources intelligently rather then just leave them in VM. X suffers from this problem as well, but it is no where near as bad as NeXTStep. (And, before someone complains about problems with sbrk() and rbrk() under standard UNIX systems, I should note that all modern UNIX systems implement mmap() which an excellent way to manage memory resources at a much finer granularity than the *brk() routines. Mach has no advantage there). -Matt :Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu :ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) :Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA -- Matthew Dillon dillon@apollo.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) Incline Village, NV. 89451 Obvious Implementations Corporation USA Sandel-Avery Engineering [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
From: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HTML editor Date: 13 Jun 1994 15:18:40 GMT Organization: University Koblenz / Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <2thtcg$ht3@newshost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <1994Jun10.212117.807@prim.demon.co.uk> In article <1994Jun10.212117.807@prim.demon.co.uk> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > In article <852@enstb.enst-bretagne.fr> snyers@yosemite.enst-bretagne.fr (Dominique SNYERS (Equipe IA SC)) writes: > >Is there an HTML editor somewhere? I mean I would like to be able to > >compose HTML page for WWW just like I do in Edit.APP with rtfd file. > > You should be able to compose in rtf and then run a filter to convert it > to HTML. Haven't tried the public domain one yet but if it doesn't work, I'll > write a filter to do it. There is a "rtftohtml" filter floating around (v.2.6). It should be easy to extend it, so that NeXT Help links and graphics are dealt with. Thus you could write entire hierarchies including the links as if you would write a NeXTSTEP Help "document" and then convert it to HTML. Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Uni Koblenz, FB Informatik, Rheinau 1, D-56075 Koblenz, Germany Tel: +49 261 9119-421, Fax: -497, NeXT/Email: droege@informatik.uni-koblenz.de
From: ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interested in getting S-PLUS to NEXTSTEP? Date: 13 Jun 1994 16:35:46 GMT Organization: UCLA Microcomputer Support Office Message-ID: <2ti1t2$c5n@news.mic.ucla.edu> References: <2takbc$oke@agate.berkeley.edu> > If you have suffered with SAS, you'll find S-PLUS is a joy. I certainly do not like SAS, but I still have not found better statistical tools for many needs. In particular, SAS has advantages: [a] It has no problems handling data files of 100MB. S relies on virtual memory and often makes multiple copies even for simple stuff. So, I have never managed to use S productively for datasets larger than 3-5MB. [b] It has some of the best I/O handlers around. That is, I like their "data step" facilities. S relies on another nice paradigm, that is based on hooking with other Unix tools. They are just different. [c] I like the concept of an input file with a unique output file, i.e., one run at a time. Interactivity can be nice, but with big data files, this is another problem. (I am avoiding a long list of SAS disadvantages.) This is not the right place to discuss the virtues of these statistical packages. (Gauss is another package I would really want.) I see these packages not as substitutes, but complements. Ivo Welch ivo@128.97.74.50 = next.agsm.ucla.edu Asst Prof of Finance iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu AGSM at UCLA
From: rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu (randal rencsok) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MST ppp on NeXT with ZYXEL 1496E through Xylogics (annex) server Date: 13 Jun 1994 18:19:20 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <2ti7v8$sf4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Keywords: help ppp Hello, Well after dealing with the SLIP battle and partually succeeding I decided to get MST's ppp package. Everyone seemed to find this an excellent package for NeXT's. Even though the documentation seems complete, there is virtually no examples for setup on a NeXT. I've tried to set up ppp to dial in to an annex Xylogics 3.0 server that allocates ip addresses dynamically to no avial. MST's support so far I have found to be nil!! If there is a NeXT user of ppp that is dialing into a annex Xylogics server that dynamically allocates IP addresses out there I would GREATLY appreciate it if you could send me your config files. like /etc/remote /etc/ttys /etc/gettytab /etc/hostconfig (so I can check mine) /etc/local* (again so I can check mine) /etc/rc (to double check) /etc/rc.local and of course /etc/ppp/Login.ex /etc/ppp/Startup.ex /etc/ppp/Systems.ex and if your using a ZYXEL 1496E your /etc/ppp/Dialers.ex (without your password and username of course) So if anyone is using a standalone (or even not a stand alone) NeXT with a ZyXEL 1496E and MST ppp dialing into a annex Xylogics 3.0 server that dynamically allocates IP addresses (yours and it's) I would really APPRECIATE a copy of the above files.. e-mail rencsok@convex.cl.msu.edu (ascii or NeXT mail) rencsok@cteq14.pa.msu.edu (NEXTMail encouraged) Sincerely, Randy Rencsok .
From: qShariff@io.org (qShariff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Slip Connection for a StandAlone NS/FIP 3.2 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 18:30:48 Organization: IS solutions Message-ID: <qShariff.2.001283F3@io.org> I am trying to get the TransSys PNI Slip working on NS/FIP 3.2. I have edited the sample file and placed a copy of it in the /etc/PNI/config directory under filename pni0.config. When I execute "pnirun -all" I get a message saying "kernel driver not loaded". If anyone has successfully got TransSys PNI Slip working I would appreciate their help. Thankyou Q.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.hnv.icem.de(Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: More on swapping... Message-ID: <CrCGvB.EB@euler.hnv.icem.de> Sender: js@euler.hnv.icem.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <2teft9$t8e@nic-nac.CSU.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 16:37:59 GMT In article <2teft9$t8e@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > In article <Cr7yqK.4zJ@dsinc!flash> tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu > writes: > >There's /usr/bin/pmem, which gets you this information: > > >It's not in the man pages, at least it doesn't seem to be. > > Neither is /usr/etc/vmoprint, and it's fun too. :-) there seems to be no /usr/bin/pmem on my NS3.0 sysyem. Did I loose something? Juergen --- Fon ++49-511-440688 NeXTMail welcome Fax ++49-511-440617 == What time do we live in when all the word 'revolution' makes you think of == is a new version of soap powder, == when spontaneity and freedom gets associated with instant coffee?
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DEsk Jet Drivers Date: 13 Jun 1994 20:52:57 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tigv9$m3p@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Can any one tell me what drivers are arround that will support the new HP Desk Jets with their 600x300 res mode. This is to run on a NS 3.2 black hardware. Thanks in advance john.
From: sears@uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: High quality printing services via NeXTMail? Date: 10 Jun 1994 21:01:44 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <2takbo$n0v@masala.cc.uh.edu> I remember a while back someone mentioned that there is a printing service that can produce very high quality color documents and and you send them NeXTMail and they FedEx the documents back to you. We are looking to turning some color network diagrams (created in Diagram!) and have them printed on a high quality color printer. Does this service exist and if so, what is there email address? Thanks -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: [intel] setting buffers _permanently_ ? Date: 13 Jun 1994 16:54:14 -0500 Organization: Proxima, Inc. Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9406132102.AA19370@proxima.com> In article <8095@darmstadt.gmd.de> you wrote: > Also, is there any way to put the nbuf=<num> information into the bootblock > permanently ? I only have one hard drive, and therefore can't write a new > bootblock while the disk is in use. Edit the file /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table. The line "Kernel Flags" is what you are looking for. -- Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) 506.1661 Director, Network Services McLean, VA elitman+@proxima.com
From: dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 10 Jun 1994 18:22:03 -0700 Organization: Obvious Implementations Corp Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tb3jr$p0f@apollo.west.oic.com> References: <chwTOTa00iUy41IOBC@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun5.170509.13393@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> In article <2st33h$pqe@hamblin.math.byu.edu> sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: :Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: : :: The fact that NEXTSTEP doesn't ever shrink the swapfile is simply :: indefensible. This implies that sooner or later, through normal :... : :AIX, DG/UX, Dynix, OSF/1 all are partition-based. HP/UX is as well, I :believe, though I'll have to check on it. At any rate there's one and :ONLY ONE reason you'd want to do partition-based swapping: speed. Swapping :on a raw device is much faster than through a journaled file system. There's :no other good reason. If you run out of space on a swap device, you crash. :If you run out of the same amount of space in NeXTSTEP, you probably have :some extra space on your main hard drive; i.e., you can exit nicely. : :Claiming that swap partitions are better than swapfiles for memory management :is ludicrous. : :+--------------------------------------------------------------+ :| Sean Luke This signature no verb | :| sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, <- finger for PGP key | :| sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) | :+------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+ Sorry Sean, but swap partitions ARE better than swapfiles, period. You left out some things: (1) Speed (2) Fewer failure modes, MANY FEWER FAILURE MODES (a) The filesystem can't fill up and leave swap with nothing left. If a process runs away or the news/mail system fills up the disk, the result can be a completely crashed machine when you depend on 'growable' swap files rather then simply having a subsystem die on you -- recoverable without rebooting. (b) Swap can't fill up and leave the filesystem with nothing left. If I run out of swap there is a HUGE potential for additional corruption of files due to standard system services being unable to write to the filesystem. (c) Filesystem corruption will not effect a swap partition, and swapping to a swap partition will not make filesystem corruption worse. Again, its the difference between being able to unmount a filesystem and fsck'ing it and crashing the machine hard... or even the ability to reboot the machine at all. (d) Machine-Crashes are less likely to corrupt the filesystem when you have a swap partition. To whit, having a growable swap file is S.T.U.P.I.D. My opinion, IMHO, but you wouldn't catch me dead using growable swap files. What is the usefullness of having all that 'free disk space' when normal machine usage REQUIRES it to grow the swap file into? That disk space looks pretty on a 'df', but it is not real because you MUST have that space free in order for your swapfile to be able to grow. You might as well just setup a fixed-sized ungrowable swap file. NeXT suffers from several problems: (1) NeXTStep does not reallocate swaped out blocks, meaning that a single swapped out fragment can prevent the swap file from shrinking. This page can be allocated from *ANY* running process in the system. This is why killing big hog process does not necessarily shrink your swap. (2) NeXTStep does not implement resource limits beyond the stack size. This means that *ANY* program can allocate memory until the system crashes. *ANY* runaway program. This has always been unacceptable to me but NeXT has repeatedly ignored all bug reports related to the lack. (3) Most NeXT applications hog memory... NeXT's own apps hog memory. It's amazing how much memory these apps take. Simply put, NeXT needs to either manage their backing store better (like deallocating portions of the backing store when resources get tight and then require some of the programs to redraw the screen when they go active again), or to switch it off wholesale in as many apps as they can. Fragmentation is also partly responsible, along with apps just plain allocating too much memory. (4) NeXTStep takes caching to the extreme, basically depending on Mach to 'do the right thing'. Well, Mach doesn't do the right thing... probably partially due to applications traversing structures and 'pinging' little bits of many pages, forcing them to be paged in. A little (a lot!) of reorganization to reduce/remove unnececessary page accesses would go a long way to making the machine more usable. :It's more complex than that--it's a major efficiency problem compacting a :swapfile. If you'd like your programs to hang for minutes on end while :NeXTSTEP is cleaning the swapfile up, and maybe add some fragmentation to your :system while doing it, you're welcome to it. I prefer manual shrinking. No, it is not a major efficiency problem compacting a swapfile. The manual shrinking is, judging by the net discussions, extremely dangerous. Keep in mind that the fragmentation that keeps the swapfile large can be as small as a single page... just reallocating such pages at a low rate -- like one page a second, would do wonders for the swapfile size. NeXT's problems with swap and memory usage cannot be narrowed down to any one thing... it is a combination of many different smaller problems coupled with NeXT's lack of committment to fixing the source of the problems. Instead, NeXT creates new hacks, like swap file compression (which is a stupid place to put compression!). If NeXT were to ask me to prioritize the problems, I would say: (1) Reallocate swap pages. Absolutely necessary so you can tell where you stand as you try to fix all the other problems. (2) Stop caching everything under the sun -- start deallocing backing store for graphics and flagging it to force a redraw when obscured or invisible portions are brought up again. Exit sub-system processes that are out of use (another form of silly caching). Clear out fonts and other cached structures. (3) Implement all remaining resource limits. (4) Go through ALL of your apps looking for page pings -- i.e. data structure traversals that have the side effect of touching a huge number of pages in proportion to the amount of information read from each structure. (e.g. just following Next pointers in a linked list should not bring in 200 hundred pages from disk!). etc... -Matt -- Matthew Dillon dillon@apollo.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) Incline Village, NV. 89451 Obvious Implementations Corporation USA Sandel-Avery Engineering [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
From: emarshal@mason1.gmu.edu (ERIC R. MARSHALL) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Display problem using Diamond Viper card Date: 10 Jun 1994 21:24:42 GMT Organization: EMI Software Engineering, Herndon, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <2talmq$1qa@portal.gmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keywords: wavy bits dude When I set the display mode to RGB/16 color at 1152x900 at 60 Hz, the pixels seem to vibrate back and forth a tiny amount on the screen. Does anyone know why this happens? I called my monitor manufacturer (MAG) and they thought it was a problem with the device driver (No, please not another device driver flame war :-). I've also seen this occur on a new Nanao. Both machines are 66 MHz Pentiums. This vibrating does not occur when I use a display mode of RGB/16 color at 1024x768 at 60 Hz. Has anyone else experienced this? This isn't terribly annoying, I'm just curious :-) Thank in advance. Eric Marshall EMI Software Engineering 903 Dunbarton Court Herndon, Virginia 22070 (703) 787-0834
From: wayne@unixg.ubc.ca (Wayne Henriques) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fax Reporting Tool Date: 10 Jun 1994 21:43:11 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <2tampf$c85@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Keywords: Fax Report Hi there, Are they any fax reporting tools superior to Fax Reader. I send nearly 300 faxes each day, so Mail is also inadequate. Thanks wayne
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jura.demon.co.uk!haldane (Steve Sykes) Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Message-ID: <Cr6qKz.DG@jura.demon.co.uk> Sender: haldane@jura.demon.co.uk (Steve Sykes) Organization: Jura Productions, London References: <2t60qn$v1v@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 14:22:10 GMT In article <2t60qn$v1v@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> eugene@raddi.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) writes: > In article <2t5oti$me5@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. > Drosehn) writes: > > dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) writes: > > > I've been unable to *ever* get [OmniWeb] to load up the images. > > > Even if I click on them they won't load. I'm wondering if it is > > > because I'm at 3.0, and maybe 3.1 or 3.2 is required for OmniWeb > > > to work correctly... > > > > This might be true. All the systems I've run OmniWeb on are > > running NS-3.2. Perhaps you have to "thin" the modules (such > > as the object code file in the OmniImageFilter.service folder) > > for them to work under NS-3.0. I have some vague memory of > > some problem in NS-3.0 when processing certain kinds of "fat" > > object files. That's not much help, I realize, but maybe > > someone else could look into it some more. > > > > hmmm > I'm running OmniWeb on my 3.0 slabs, and it seems to work fine. > No problems at all with inline images. > I've got ImageViewer, and the OmniImage > stuff (service and app) under LocalApps/LocalLibrary. I had this problem until I moved Omniweb.app from my home directory into /LocalApps. I don't understand why this fixed the image loading.. perhaps someone can enlighten me? Steve. -- Stephen D.Sykes _______| Have you __| NeXT | Classic FM haldane@jura.demon.co.uk | hugged your | mail __| London, U.K. +44 71 284 3000 (daytime) _-| radio today? _-| O.K. __| NW1 7DQ
From: dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 10 Jun 1994 19:21:45 -0700 Organization: Obvious Implementations Corp Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tb73p$p8v@apollo.west.oic.com> References: <1994Jun5.202154.20681@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> In article <1994Jun5.202154.20681@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: :More data (since I forgot some in the previous post)... all :machines here have 32M RAM. I don't know the exact mechanism :behind the swapfile.front stuff. I do know that it is :a mount of type 'swapfs' of the swapfile. There appears to be some :.. : :total 75322 :drwxr-xr-x 2 root 1024 May 31 09:13 ./ :drwxrwxr-x 11 root 1024 Oct 22 1993 ../ :-rw------t 1 root 29335552 Jun 4 16:08 swapfile :-rw------t 1 root 47767552 Jun 4 16:08 swapfile.front What is really needed is a command that tells you how much swap is *allocated*, not how large the swap file has become. I do not believe NeXTStep has such a command, or at least, I have been unable to find it. Something like Linux's 'free' command would be extremely useful, or the SWAP field in Linux's ps. apollo:/home/dillon> free total used free shared buffers Mem: 14976 14824 152 5812 4884 Swap: 32764 12632 20132 apollo:/home/dillon> And there you have it... 12MB swap allocated out of 32MB. 14 MB of main memory used of which 5.8 MB is shared between two or more processes and 4.8 MB is used for file buffers. A quick look at ps reveals that X is taking up 2.7 MB of main memory (2 MB of which is shared, probably with a couple of xterm's) and a whopping 7.5 MB of swap... 10MB of total space. This is after 15 days of up time. These are the meaningful fields (TRS, DRS, and SWAP) | | | V V V PID TTY MAJFLT MINFLT TRS DRS SIZE SWAP RSS SHRD LIB DT COMMAND 1 --- 140 127 8 24 288 72 216 192 192 2 init auto 18505 --- 18 39 4 12 248 20 228 216 220 2 ./slipwait kill 364 1 31 83 0 20 284 92 192 192 172 0 (getty) 16082 --- 17 39 4 12 248 20 228 216 220 2 ./slipwait kill ... 61 --- 410 29892 96 144 472 28 444 308 220 4 tcsh -f ./dosli 71 --- 19 130 0 8 316 128 188 188 180 0 (doslip) 73 --- 124 1464 0 8 324 136 188 188 180 0 (doslip) 117 --- 15 38 4 12 248 20 228 216 220 2 ./slipwait kill 114 --- 14 38 4 12 248 20 228 216 220 2 ./slipwait kill 19190 --- 26 65 24 128 436 0 436 324 328 11 /bin/getty -d / 23367 p0 20 393 180 212 668 0 668 456 332 14 -csh 91 --- 708 245 32 236 568 96 472 204 220 4 /etc/named/name 109 --- 167 19519 8 84 380 32 348 264 292 9 /usr/bin/crond 115 --- 64 118 4 12 264 60 204 192 196 2 /etc/lpd 23366 --- 165 292 72 656 1420 0 1420 768 848 39 xterm 299 --- 17 13 0 44 360 136 224 224 200 5 (xdm) 301 --- 19133 64370 368 2016 10288 7536 2752 676 1344 244 (X) 302 --- 122 90 0 44 400 328 72 72 48 5 (xdm) 25397 p6 100 332 148 360 816 0 816 464 368 15 trn 151 2 24 63 0 20 284 92 192 192 172 0 (getty) 152 3 23 64 0 20 284 92 192 192 172 0 (getty) 25355 --- 0 15 8 36 316 0 316 280 300 7 sl0 scdev -i sl 25398 --- 62 98 116 408 524 0 524 120 0 0 -apollo.west.oi 183 --- 24 53 4 16 260 48 212 196 200 2 chatmon 192.100 185 --- 54 97 4 16 284 92 192 176 180 2 pagemon 192.100 28870 p1 72 1217 128 176 592 72 520 348 240 6 -csh 16268 --- 592 911 164 188 808 160 648 460 328 8 wish -f /home/s ... 18000 p6 59 662 148 204 628 52 576 376 256 8 -csh 17990 --- 129 451 60 376 984 132 852 480 488 18 xterm NeXT really needs something like that. It's just too useful. -Matt -- Matthew Dillon dillon@apollo.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) Incline Village, NV. 89451 Obvious Implementations Corporation USA Sandel-Avery Engineering [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 11 Jun 1994 03:26:41 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tbath$2om@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2tb3jr$p0f@apollo.west.oic.com> dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: > :Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: > : > :: The fact that NEXTSTEP doesn't ever shrink the swapfile is simply > :: indefensible. This implies that sooner or later, through normal > :... > : > :AIX, DG/UX, Dynix, OSF/1 all are partition-based. HP/UX is as well, > :I believe, though I'll have to check on it. At any rate there's one > :and ONLY ONE reason you'd want to do partition-based swapping: > : speed. > :Swapping on a raw device is much faster than through a journaled > :file system. There's no other good reason. [etc] > Sorry Sean, but swap partitions ARE better than swapfiles, > period. You left out some things: > > (1) Speed He did not leave this out. He explicitly stated it. > (2) Fewer failure modes, MANY FEWER FAILURE MODES > (a) The filesystem can't fill up and leave swap with nothing left. > If a process runs away or the news/mail system fills up the > disk, the result can be a completely crashed machine when you > depend on 'growable' swap files rather then simply having a > subsystem die on you -- recoverable without rebooting. > > (b) Swap can't fill up and leave the filesystem with nothing left. > If I run out of swap there is a HUGE potential for > additional corruption of files due to standard system services > being unable to write to the filesystem. > > (c) Filesystem corruption will not effect a swap partition, > and swapping to a swap partition will not make filesystem > corruption worse. Again, its the difference between being > able to unmount a filesystem and fsck'ing it and crashing > the machine hard... or even the ability to reboot the > machine at all. > > (d) Machine-Crashes are less likely to corrupt the filesystem when > you have a swap partition. The (a) and (b) issues are not due to swap partitions per se, they are due to having swaping on a separate partition than "most other stuff". I'm not just nit-picking with that distinction. On my NeXT, I have the swapfile on a separate disk than "most other stuff". It is still a file in a regular unix file system. It does not suffer from (a) or (b) because every other file on that file system is a file which is static (such as /NextLibrary/Documentation). The only file growing or shrinking on that partition is the swapfile. Seems to me that this same distinction means that issues (c) and (d) aren't all that significant either. Now, you may ask, what is the point of *not* having a swap partition if I've got a separate disk anyway? Well, all those never-changing static files are now on the separate disk, instead taking up space on my boot disk. They are still accessible at hard-disk speeds (as opposed to having them on the CD-ROM), but I have more disk space on my primary drive. Your arguments basically boil down to "the swapping should be done on a separate partition than all your active files are on", which is not the same as "you must have a swap parition". The only advantage to the swap partition that is left is the one originally mentioned, namely speed. > NeXT's problems with swap and memory usage cannot be narrowed > down to any one thing... it is a combination of many different > smaller problems coupled with NeXT's lack of committment to > fixing the source of the problems. Instead, NeXT creates new > hacks, like swap file compression (which is a stupid place to > put compression!). I agree that there are some problems here (I also basically agree with several paragraphs of stuff I skipped over...). I don't agree that the swap file compression was stupid. > If NeXT were to ask me to prioritize the problems, I would say: > > (1) Reallocate swap pages. Absolutely necessary so you can > tell where you stand as you try to fix all the other > problems. I think the first thing I'd like to see is someone at NeXT following up on the issues that Cliff has been pursuign in the "swapfile" thread in csn.misc. So, I'd make the above thing second on the list. > (2) Stop caching everything under the sun [etc] > (3) Implement all remaining resource limits. > (4) Go through ALL of your apps looking for page pings [etc] These all sound like reasonable ideas, but I have no strong feeling about any particular order of them (or perhaps other changes that would be worth pursuing). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: sjones@netcom.com (Scott M. Jones) Subject: Re: How to make image copy of floppy? Message-ID: <sjonesCr7qyI.1Mu@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <westesCqwBqq.GyM@netcom.com> <sjonesCqyCKw.A5A@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 03:27:53 GMT Scott M. Jones (sjones@netcom.com) wrote: : Caveat: I tried both reading and writing myself. It's _annoyingly_ slow. Matt_Watson@NeXT.COM suggested specifying the entire floppy as the block size. The speedup is pretty significant: scott_next 16% time dd if=/dev/rfd0b of=out1 read: Invalid argument 2880+0 records in 2880+0 records out 1.1u 2.6s 9:51 0% 0+0k 0+153io 0pf+0w scott_next 17% time dd if=/dev/rfd0b of=out2 bs=1440k read: Invalid argument 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 0.0u 0.6s 0:55 1% 0+0k 2+191io 0pf+0w scott_next 18% ls -l out* -rw-r--r-- 1 scott 1474560 Jun 10 22:47 out1 -rw-r--r-- 1 scott 1474560 Jun 10 22:51 out2 scott_next 19% sum out* 07024 1440 out1 07024 1440 out2 scott_next 20% -- ----- Scott sjones@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: HTML editor Message-ID: <1994Jun10.212117.807@prim.demon.co.uk> Keywords: HTML Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <852@enstb.enst-bretagne.fr> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 21:21:17 GMT In article <852@enstb.enst-bretagne.fr> snyers@yosemite.enst-bretagne.fr (Dominique SNYERS (Equipe IA SC)) writes: >Is there an HTML editor somewhere? I mean I would like to be able to >compose HTML page for WWW just like I do in Edit.APP with rtfd file. You should be able to compose in rtf and then run a filter to convert it to HTML. Haven't tried the public domain one yet but if it doesn't work, I'll write a filter to do it. Dave Griffiths
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix or vt240 emulation Date: 11 Jun 1994 00:15:09 -0400 Organization: Digital Fix Development Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tbdod$8l0@digifix.digifix.com> References: <1994Jun9.191738.16417@seer.demon.co.uk> Paul Lynch writes > In article <2t21on$saq@owl.nstn.ns.ca> mleggott@sandnc.stfx.ca (Mark > Leggott) writes: > > I am looking for a NeXT app that will give me Tektronix and/or vt240 > > terminal emulation. I have seen the Communicae demo, but would like to > try > > and find something free/cheaper as I only need it temporarily for a > > visting researcher. > > Try Cables, from Yrrid. Does that, but isn't free. Cables is an excellent program.. It has totally replaced Terminal.app and Microphone Pro for my work. I never could get MPro working correctly.. Cables has some really great customizing features as far as color and highlighting goes. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: rueiwun@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (ruei-wun tu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Question]:Floppy Controller error during boot NS/FIP??? Date: 14 Jun 1994 06:04:19 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Message-ID: <2tjh93$p9j@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> References: <2sl8mt$639@inxs.concert.net> <1994Jun3.064514.12812@seer.demon.co.uk> Hello, First of all, thank you for your time to answer my question I finally got my NS3.2 installed on my TYAN motherboard. Here is what I did. I only put one SCSI HD, which is on ID 0, and SCSI CD ROM, which is on SCSI ID 1. And I also put on my AHA 1542C and ATI Ultra Graphic Pro 2M, and, of course the IDE controller, which is used for my Floppy. It works without any problem. However, I found two serious problems after I finished the installation. 1. When I add my IDE HD latter on, the NS could not recognize the device. I could not mount it or use "fdisk" to format the IDE. 2. When booting the system. if I didn't insert the floopy disk in floppy driver, it shows the following warning message several times: FloppyCntIo:flushIntMsgs:Stray Interrupt After all, the system still boot successfully. And the floppy disk functionarity seems working O.K. Anyway, I am wondering if you have any ideals could solve those annoying problems. Thanks again for your help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: Re: Interested in getting S-PLUS to NEXTSTEP? Message-ID: <Cr6x2q.9u@chemelex.com> Sender: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation References: <2t531q$mq@scunix2.harvard.edu> Distribution: ba,na,usa,world Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:42:26 GMT As a user of S-Plus, via a X emulator, let me say that 1 S-Plus is an excellent data analysis app. 2 Working via a X emulator is the pits 3 The NeXTstep gui is the best And I wholeheartedly support lobbying and (hopefully) pursuading StatSci to port Splus to NeXTstep. If you want specifics on how useful S-Plus is for data analysis,.... well I can go on and on. Please, post or email me you're questions? If you ever expect you'll need to make a decision based on data, you need, no require, S-Plus.... and via NeXTstep. Fred Schenkelberg NeXTmail enjoyed fms@chemelex.com Redwood City, CA writes > > * > * Interested in getting S-PLUS ported to NEXTSTEP? > * > > S-PLUS is a powerful object oriented statistical analysis software from > Statistical Sciences in Seattle, Washington. It is a binary version of > the S language from AT&T Bell Labs. It is widely recognized by > statisticians to be among the best data analysis software available. > > An earlier version of S-PLUS (Version 3.0) was ported to NEXTSTEP for > NeXT machines, apparently at the request of Swiss Bank. StatSci has > no plans to port the new version (3.2 and soon 4.0) to NEXTSTEP on > any platform. BUT, I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY STATSCI THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER > A MAB PORT TO NEXTSTEP IF THEY GET ENOUGH INTEREST FROM THE NEXTSTEP > COMMUNITY. > > From previous posts to the net and talking to other NEXTSTEP users who use > S-PLUS, I know that there is more than sufficient interest in S-PLUS. > If you are interested in S-PLUS, please send email expressing your > interest to the following people at StatSci: > > Tom Conlon: tom@statsci.com (Product Manager) > Thomas Christie: thomas@statsci.com (Sales) > > I agreed to call StatSci in two weeks time to follow-up. If it is OK > with you, please send me a note indicating that you sent email to StatSci > so that we can gauge the interest in S-PLUS from NeXT users. I will post > follow-ups to this group informing you of StatSci's decision and (hopefully) > the status of the port. > > Posts to the net have often lamented the lack of major software in > certain areas on NEXTSTEP. Here is a chance to get arguably the best data > analysis system to NEXTSTEP. I certainly hope that we will show that > there is more than sufficient interest in the NeXT community to attract > StatSci to port S-PLUS. Please send email to StatSci right away. Thanks! > > Mohan Penubarti > <mohan@husc.harvard.edu> > -- Fred Schenkelberg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fms@chemelex .com (Fred Schenkelberg) Subject: Re: Tektronix or vt240 emulation Message-ID: <Cr6x5u.AL@chemelex.com> Sender: fms@chemelex.com (Fred Schenkelberg) Organization: Research Group of Chemelex Division of Raychem Corporation References: <1994Jun9.191738.16417@seer.demon.co.uk> Distribution: ba,na,usa,world Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:44:17 GMT Anyone have a vt340, color and hi res graphics, terminal emulator? Fred Schenkelberg NeXTmail enjoyed fms@chemelex.com Redwood City, CA Paul Lynch writes > In article <2t21on$saq@owl.nstn.ns.ca> mleggott@sandnc.stfx.ca (Mark > Leggott) writes: > > I am looking for a NeXT app that will give me Tektronix and/or vt240 > > terminal emulation. I have seen the Communicae demo, but would like to > try > > and find something free/cheaper as I only need it temporarily for a > > visting researcher. > > Try Cables, from Yrrid. Does that, but isn't free. > > Paul > -- > Paul Lynch > P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk > Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, > Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK -- Fred Schenkelberg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flash!jon@myxa.com Subject: Re: More on swapping... Message-ID: <Cr7yqK.4zJ@dsinc!flash> Sender: jon@dsinc!flash (Jonathan Hendry) Organization: Who Needs It? References: <2tb73p$p8v@apollo.west.oic.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 06:15:56 GMT In article <2tb73p$p8v@apollo.west.oic.com> dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > What is really needed is a command that tells you how much > swap is *allocated*, not how large the swap file has become. > > I do not believe NeXTStep has such a command, or at least, I > have been unable to find it. > > Something like Linux's 'free' command would be extremely useful, or > the SWAP field in Linux's ps. > > apollo:/home/dillon> free > total used free shared buffers > Mem: 14976 14824 152 5812 4884 > Swap: 32764 12632 20132 > apollo:/home/dillon> There's /usr/bin/pmem, which gets you this information: pid private aliased unshared shared total nobjects command 6322 1560 128 1688 1328 3016 51 WindowServer It's not in the man pages, at least it doesn't seem to be. Doesn't say much about swap, but with /usr/bin/filemem and /usr/bin/vm_stat it might be possible to get an idea of what's going on with the swap. Accent on "might be". -- Jonathan W. Hendry tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar" Edward R. Murrow
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: shipping a NeXT to France Date: 15 Jun 1994 17:58:04 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2tnffc$elh@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> If anyone has had experience shipping a NeXT to France, please let me know. I want to ship my NeXT Cube system (too big to carry on the plane) for personal and research use to IRCAM, and I don't want to pay the 23% duty+VAT on a value of $2000. Suggestions so far: 1) Fill out a French Carnet form -- how does that work? UPS doesn't deal with those. 2) Declare to be a household item. -- will that wash? 3) Declare its value to be $0 -- can I get away with that? Jim Beauchamp University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jh@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jose Tomas Henriques) Subject: Help. Hard-drive/audio-output problem. Message-ID: <CrG6GG.1y4@acsu.buffalo.edu> Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: UB Distribution: na Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 16:43:28 GMT Hi. I have the audio output of my NeXTstation hooked to a quality amplifier and speakers. What happens when I turn the volume way up is odd. Not only I hear a loud hum which is expected, but I also can hear very loudly, noises originated by the hard drive being accessed. Each time I execute a command I hear loud click-like noises and when the hard-drive executes intense operations (such as reading large sound-files) those noises are continuous and very much degrade the audio output. I took the drive to the university and hooked it to a Cube. The very some problem happened. For my surprise though even with the drive's power turned off I could still hear the noises I described. Only when I disconnected the SCSI cable the noises went way. Do I just have a bad SCSI cable or is the problem worse? Can it be something related to the drive's power supply? If you have any ideas or suggestions please email me. Thanks in advance. See you. Ze Tomas
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Daydream info request. Date: 11 Jun 1994 10:56:41 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <2tctsp$1n1@spock.dis.cccd.edu> I want to use Daydream as a front panal to run a Midi studio and need it to recognize NeXT's serial ports A and B so that I can hook up a Midi Time Piece midi interface. Daydream people told me it wouln't work, but that was a year ago. Does it work now. Also, how is Daydream with Timbukto? maurices
From: jbn@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix or vt240 emulation Date: 11 Jun 94 17:55:14 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <jbn.771357314@owens.slip.uiuc.edu> References: <1994Jun9.191738.16417@seer.demon.co.uk> <2tbdod$8l0@digifix.digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Cables is an excellent program.. It has totally replaced Terminal.app >and Microphone Pro for my work. I never could get MPro working correctly.. I agree that Cables is excellent. It's one of few NS apps I can recommend to any user (who is looking for this functionality, of course) on any platform because it's so competitive. > Cables has some really great customizing features as far as color and >highlighting goes. And the keymapping is great (I wish this were available generally for other apps that use keymapping files, prompting and so on). -- No NeXTmail please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacyuy From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: ** STONE DESIGN RAVE ** Message-ID: <1994Jun14.145356.692@stone.com> Keywords: solstice dance Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:53:56 GMT Since my mailbox has been flooded with requests for info, I thought it would be useful to make a general announcement about this year's party... The Stone Design Rave will be held on the Solstice this year, Wednesday night at 9pm until dawn. Come celebrate the shortest night of the year! Spin by our booth to get your invitation - and a CD perhaps. ========================================================================= T H E C O S M I C D A N C E Dance is the manifestation of the primal vibrations of the universe. It is the means by which the Absolute brings creation into existence, sustains and maintains it, and eventually destroys it. God/dess, the supreme dancer, has no purpose other than the enjoyment of her/his own dynamic movements. Life's continual prodigal transformation of energy IS the dance. -- ||<<->>||<<==>>|S<<++>>|T<<?>O<+>>N|<<-->>E|<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone | (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com | Have Modem Why Travel !! ||<<->>|D<<==>>|E<<++>>|S<<?>|<+>>G|<<-->>N|<<==>>!|<<+>>||
From: "mmalcolm Crawford" <malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 2Gb Hard drive recommendation wanted Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 13:35:59 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Sheffield Message-ID: <940619143559.5054AACUH.malc@jeeves> References: <1994Jun17.154511.20323@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <2tvq50$42d@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII We recently got a Seagate 12400N. Works fine. In case anybody wants a disktab for it... st12400n|ST12400N|Seatgate ST12400N:\ :ty=fixed_rw_scsi:nc#2621:nt#19:ns#80:ss#1024:rm#5411:\ :fp#512:bp#512:\ :os=mach_kernel:z0#80:z1#168:ro=a:\ :pa#0:sa#2079360:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#4:ra#5:da#4096:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: (Thanks to Paul Armitage of Trimac Technology Ltd for sorting this out.) Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Peter Twarecki <B7NS000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> Subject: "unexpected kernel page fault failure" problem Message-ID: <19JUN94.10237669.0061@VM1.MCGILL.CA> Sender: usenet@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA Organization: McGill University Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 14:28:45 GMT Hello, I am trying to decipher the following panic information: Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: unexpected kernel page fault failure Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: trap: type 0x410 fcode 5 rw 3 faultaddr 0x6 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: trap: pc 0x4032972 sp 0x3ffb23c sr 0x2000 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: trap: cpu 0 th 0x10120388 proc 0x1011fdcc pid 3 pcb 0x1078c010 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: traceback: fp 0x1078ce8c Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: called from pc 0x04032920 fp 0x1078ceb8 4-args 1078ceac 00000001 00000000 1078cef2 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: called from pc 0x04034850 fp 0x1078cf30 4-args 03ffba64 00000000 00000001 00000000 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: called from pc 0x04033482 fp 0x1078cf60 4-args 03ffba64 00000000 00000001 00000ec8 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: called from pc 0x040333ca fp 0x1078cf7c 4-args 03ffba64 00000001 03ffbed8 040a3754 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: called from pc 0x04098af8 fp 0x1078cfb0 4-args 00000000 03ffbed8 00000005 00000000 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: called from pc 0x04001d0e fp 0x1078cff0 4-args 00000005 03ffba64 00000000 03ffbed8 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: called from pc 0x03ffb23c fp 0x03ffbe64 4-args 00100500 7b220090 040a8958 040a8958 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: last fp 0x3ffbe64 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: panic: (Cpu 0) MMU invalid descriptor during table walk Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: NeXT ROM Monitor 2.5 v66 Jun 19 08:46:17 localhost mach: panic: NeXT Mach 3.2: Mon Oct 18 21:57:41 PDT 1993; root(rcbuilder):mk-149.30.15.obj~2/RC_m68k/RELEASE_M68K I can reproduce the above crash on every bootup sequence, with pressing the <Command>-~ key combination and selecting (r)estart shortly after the root on od0 message. Does anyone know what can be causing the above panic? Thank you in advance, Peter Twarecki. Peter Twarecki <b7ns@MUSICB.McGill.CA>
From: bchoate@vespucci.iquest.com (Brian Choate) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with NeXT (Black Hardware) Date: 15 Jun 1994 15:40:08 -0500 Organization: interQuest: Fuel for the Mind Message-ID: <2tnov8$4n8@vespucci.iquest.com> I am interested in NEXT systems (Black Hardware). I would like to know where to look to find Hardware for sale. What it might cost. Also how does the black hardware compare to intel based NeXT (or other intel based UNIX) I dislike intel systems (but that is about all you can find in Alabama!). Any help would be great You can mail me at bchoate@bbs.iquest.com
From: "mmalcolm Crawford" <malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "unexpected kernel page fault failure" problem Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 15:17:27 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Sheffield Distribution: world Message-ID: <940619161727.6268AACUF.malc@jeeves> References: <19JUN94.10237669.0061@VM1.MCGILL.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I recently asked a simliar question, particularly re: panic: (Cpu 0) MMU invalid descriptor during table walk A number of people suggested this was a software fault due to heavy network traffic. I have switched the affected machine with another. The new machine (same spec) does not seem to to be affected. The old one (now on another segment of the network) seems more stable than previously (although it gets less use now). This leaves me a bit confused... Have fun, mmalcolm.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Magazines Message-ID: <1994Jun15.212250.8092@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 21:22:50 GMT What NeXT oriented magazines or sections of magazines still exist? -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. A NEXTSTEP software and consulting services company. Electronic Mail: Joe@FreemanSoft.com (NeXT Mail) Voice: 919.783.7033
From: bfreeto@interaccess.com (Bill Freeto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Adaptec 1520 SCSI controller Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 14:01:54 Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Message-ID: <bfreeto.51.000E0835@interaccess.com> I also posted this on comp.sys.next but I thought this might be a more appropriate place for my question. I am trying to install NextStep 3.2 on a Gateway2000 486DX2-66V. I have a Plexor CD attached to an Adaptec 1520 SCSI controller which I bought from Iomega to control my 90MB Bernoulli. When I run the install program, it complains that it couldn't find a CD-ROM and prompts me for another location to mount root. I suspect that this occurrs because the only Adaptec driver on the install disk is for the 1544. Sooo, my questions are: 1. Is there a driver available that would work with my controller? 2. If not, is anyone using a 1544 for the CD-ROM controller on their system? The only references I found to the 1544 talk about it as a HD controller. I am beginning to think that I'm wasting my time and need to talk to Next about returning the product but that would be a big disappointment because I really like NextStep.
From: murshid@unit.edu (murshid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: list of prepress publishing houses that take Next files Date: 19 Jun 1994 16:31:39 GMT Organization: University of California at San Diego Distribution: world Message-ID: <2u1rtb$c4m@network.ucsd.edu> Keywords: prepress Is there a list of prepress publishing houses that take Next postscript or application (Create) files by NeXTmail or modem transfer and photostatically or linotronically process them to paper or negative? If you have this information please post and email to me at murshid@unit.edu. Thank you Murshid
From: eronald@cnam.cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TeX output offset *bug* Date: 16 Jun 1994 00:15:10 GMT Organization: Conservatoire National des Arts et Metiers, Paris, France Message-ID: <2to5ie$omf@sheckley.cnam.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My latex output seems to be offset about 3/5 inch down the page, compared to what I get running xlatex on an HP UX system. Anyone seen this bug and its fix? I am using 3.2 black, NeXT laser printer, A4 paper. Thanks for your time! email a reply as well as posting, if you can be bothered. Edmund. -- This is not a signature line.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: man pages for cpp & cpp-precomp needed. Message-ID: <1994Jun14.115626.21464@cc.usu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 14 Jun 94 11:56:25 MDT Distribution: usa Organization: As little as I can get away with... Would some kind soul send me copies of the man pages for cpp & cpp-precomp? Ours seem to've evaporated. Thanks, kc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat@biocat1.iit.edu (pathikrit bandyopadhyay) Subject: zipadedooazipadeea Message-ID: <1994Jun15.195825.8645@iitmax.iit.edu> Sender: news@iitmax.iit.edu (News) Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 19:58:25 GMT is there a zip utility available for the next ? in other words how do i a unzip a file in the next ? (gunzip does not work on this file). thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: daf@wts.com (David A. Fox) Subject: Help! Wierd BIOS error when loading 3.2 Message-ID: <1994Jun15.145640.19385@wts.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:56:40 EDT Organization: Wegmans Electronic Banking Services Hi, I am doing a complete install of NextStep 3.2 and get the error: fdisk:bogus bios info some bios can't handle non sequential targets fdisk:bogus bios info some bios can't handle non sequential targets /etc/rc.cdrom.i386: test: argument expected The above is close to but not the exact message. My system configuration is: 486DX2/66 5 EISA, 2 VESA Adaptec 1542B SCSI Controller Micropolis 1.08gig SCSI Hard drive NEC 3x SCSI CDROM ATI Ultra-Pro Video Card Teac 3.5 Floppy So what's my problem? Thanks in advance Dave Fox
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: shipping a NeXT to France Date: 19 Jun 1994 19:19:14 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2u25ni$asp@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2tnffc$elh@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: >If anyone has had experience shipping a NeXT to France, please let me know. >I want to ship my NeXT Cube system (too big to carry on the plane) for >personal and research use to IRCAM, and I don't want to pay the 23% duty+VAT >on a value of $2000. > So far the responses have been divided into two camps: 1) Get a Carnet ($100?) and pay 40% deposit based on the declared value of the system. Try to use a minimal declared value (e.g., someone said a Sun Sparc 10 could be declared at $1000; where does that leave an 040 Next cube?) to keep the amount down. When you leave and return to the US, you can get your deposit back. In my case, they will have my money for 10 months (without interest). 2) Take it on the plane with you (excess baggage), declare it to be your personal property, and walk it through. Write 'NOT FOR RESALE' all over the box. Walking through definitely works for laptops; they think of it as part of your luggage. As a variation on this method, one person shipped his Next to Germany and got it through without any tariff, but I haven't heard from anyone with experience going into France, either by shipping or as excess baggage. I'm still up in the air about which way to go, and I leave in 2 weeks. Jim
From: pjs@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: rtf portable to other systems? Date: 16 Jun 1994 02:14:18 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, CCIT Distribution: world Message-ID: <PJS.94Jun15191418@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> I'd like to be able to use Edit to write memos in rtf, since it's so darned easy to do. My problem is getting people on other systems to accept it in an electronic rather than paper environment. So are there any decent (easy to use) free rtf edit/display programs for other environments? Thanks in advance for your input. -- --paul paul@whimsy.umsl.edu ================================================================= Soap and education are not as sudden as a massacre, but they are more deadly in the long run. --Mark Twain =================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: cheap backup device Message-ID: <1994Jun14.230322.19541@pcp.ca> Keywords: backup, device Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 23:03:22 GMT Group: I have a Turbo mono station with a 400MB hardfile which I've been backing up using tar to floppies (I know, I know). Anyway, I would like any recommendations on cheap backup devices. I don't need the 4GB tape drives but something that would comfortably back up 100MB is fine. I would also like to use this device with my Dell PC, which is not SCSI. Please e-mail me and I'll summarize if there's interest. Thanks, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca alex@oolesson.com
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: gcc and NeXT (Pavel Curtis's MOO) Date: 11 Jun 1994 02:58:20 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tb98c$1rh@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <2t8nap$6at@news1.digex.net> chris@clubside.digex.net (Chris Rowley) writes: > I'm trying to set up a MOO on my machine under NeXTSTEP 3.2 for > intel and it seems there's a compiler bug in cc. According to > MOO's author Pavel Curtis (pavel@parc.xerox.com) this bug is > real, but was fixed months ago in gcc. Does anyone know of bug > fixes to NeXT's cc, or whether there's a version of gcc for NeXT? > Does adding another compiler take mongo disk space? Hmm. Is this a bug that's limited to NeXTSTEP/Intel, or would the same bug be seen on any NeXTSTEP system? One of the things running on my NeXT is a server that uses Pavel's MOO, and there was a patch to it (the MOO) which was needed to avoid a problem (somewhere in NeXTSTEP itself) that was causing the server to crash. Might that be the same bug you're seeing, or are you seeing something different? Here's the description that was included in the patch. Let me know if you want to try this patch, and if you don't have it. I don't really follow the development of the MOO-based server that's running on my machine, so I'm afraid I can't tell you anything more than what is here: This patch works around a problem on the NeXT machine where the server's use of setjmp/longjmp to time out hostname lookups somehow corrupts the virtual memory subsystem. This patch eliminates that problem at the expense of a potentially unbounded pause each time the server looks up a hostname (i.e., on every inbound connection and on every use of the open_network_connection() function). The next release of the server will not have the problem which necessitated this patch. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: gguelden@ixpoint.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HTML editor Date: 10 Jun 1994 17:41:40 GMT Organization: iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH, Waldbronn, Germany Message-ID: <2ta8kk$2fu@balu.ixpoint.de> References: <852@enstb.enst-bretagne.fr> In article <852@enstb.enst-bretagne.fr> snyers@yosemite.enst-bretagne.fr (Dominique SNYERS (Equipe IA SC)) writes: > Is there an HTML editor somewhere? I mean I would like to be able to > compose HTML page for WWW just like I do in Edit.APP with rtfd file. > > Dominique Snyers > > Some folks at the university of Darmstadt/Germany are working on something like this. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Dipl.- Inform. Gerd Gueldenpfennig + + iXpoint Informationssysteme GmbH + + Im Ermlisgrund 20-24 76337 Waldbronn Germany + + Phone ++49 7243/65535 Fax ++49 7243 69817 + + Email: gguelden@ixpoint.de (NeXTmail welcome) + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: "mmalcolm Crawford" <malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "unexpected kernel page fault failure" problem Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 19:47:16 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Sheffield Message-ID: <940619204716.6268AACUM.malc@jeeves> References: <19JUN94.10237669.0061@VM1.MCGILL.CA> <940619161727.6268AACUF.malc@jeeves> <19JUN94.15257658.0069@VM1.MCGILL.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > I also thought of a bad SIMM, but I'm not sure how much the panic > message that I got has to do with bad memory... > I wondered about that too. Any suggestions as to how to go about checking for this (short of the obvious very long and exhausting, I mean exhaustive, method?) Have fun, mmalcolm.
From: sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! Wierd BIOS error when loading 3.2 Date: 16 Jun 1994 06:39:30 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <2tos32$2nu@rosie.next.com> References: <1994Jun15.145640.19385@wts.com> In article <1994Jun15.145640.19385@wts.com> daf@wts.com (David A. Fox) writes: > Hi, > > I am doing a complete install of NextStep 3.2 and get the error: > > fdisk:bogus bios info > some bios can't handle non sequential targets woops... The problem is that the bios didn't leave behind any info on that drive, so fdisk can't do its thing (which relies on bios info to allow the system to boot and work under dos). When I wrote fdisk (yikes!) the only cause of this I had seen was that some controllers stopped probing for SCSI id's when they hit a missing one. from a bug report: (fdisk problem...) Basically, his Adaptec SCSI card had the BIOS disabled, so when CDIS asked fdisk about the hard drive layout, it gave an error that looked something like this: bogus information in bios. Some bios' can't deal with non-sequential SCSI targets... (...) the non-sequential SCSI targets problem doesn't exist anymore (was fixed prior to 3.1), so it seems to me that this error message should be corrected to say something like: "Bogus disk information in BIOS. You probably need to check your SCSI (IDE?) card setup to make sure that the BIOS is enabled. If the BIOS is disabled, NEXTSTEP will be unable to get proper disk information." -sam -- Opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer. They're not even mine. They're probably wrong besides. How did they get in here, anyway?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: leb@label.tau.ac.il (Larry Blume) Subject: Re: More on swapping... Message-ID: <1994Jun16.085034.6641@aristo.tau.ac.il> Sender: usenet@aristo.tau.ac.il (USENET) Organization: Tel-Aviv University Computation Center References: <CrCGvB.EB@euler.hnv.icem.de> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 08:50:34 GMT In article <CrCGvB.EB@euler.hnv.icem.de> js@euler.hnv.icem.de(Juergen Sell) writes: > In article <2teft9$t8e@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > > In article <Cr7yqK.4zJ@dsinc!flash> tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu > > writes: > > >There's /usr/bin/pmem, which gets you this information: > > > > >It's not in the man pages, at least it doesn't seem to be. > > > > Neither is /usr/etc/vmoprint, and it's fun too. :-) What is all that stuff that vmoprint produces? ******************************************************************* Larry Blume Reply To: LB19@CORNELL.EDU Eitan Berglas School of Economics Voice: 972-03-640-7167 Tel Aviv University Fax: 972-03-640-9908 Naftali Bldg
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NS Expo free pass in SF Examiner 6/19 Date: 19 Jun 1994 20:55:31 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <2u2bc3$iqc@agate.berkeley.edu> If anyone needs a free pass to NEXTSTEP Expo, there is one in Business section (C-2) of Sunday (6/19) San Francisco Examiner/Chronicle. -- Izumi Ohzawa <izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu> [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: Univ. of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720-2020 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323
From: peer@ccrma.stanford.edu (Peer Landa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help. Hard-drive/audio-output problem. Date: 16 Jun 1994 13:59:12 GMT Organization: Stanford University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tplrg$s69@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> References: <CrG6GG.1y4@acsu.buffalo.edu> NeXT's DA-converter sucks, or rather the placement of it -- you get monitor interference. I'd suggest that you get a Singular Solution box connected to the DSP-port and go digital from that into a DAT-machine and then use the DAT's DA instead. -- peer
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to see the boot messages every time Date: 16 Jun 1994 09:12:27 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9406161404.AA01539@cantina.lanl.gov> Posting this to c.s.n.misc instead of sysadmin because I suspect sysadmin folk already know it well and regular users may not. For some time now I've been wondering why I always have to look at the graphics describing the boot process, just because I wasn't quick enough to hit the return key twice when the booter asks if I want NS or DOS. (I like to see what devices do or don't get attached during the boot process, but I'm not usually quite bothered enough to go look in the /private/adm/messages.) Well, Eric Litman's remark here on setting thenumber of buffers permanently provided the clue: > Edit the file /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table. > The line "Kernel Flags" is what you are looking for. (You have to <cmd-O> the System.config to get to it.) Setting the line "Boot Graphics" = "Yes"; to "Boot Graphics" = "No"; does the trick. Thanks Eric! Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
From: pmarc@allanon.math.byu.edu (Paul Cardon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Does Workspace Leak? Date: 16 Jun 1994 21:23:07 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tqfrr$4ld@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <2tq5dpINNgu3@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> Hmm ... no puddles around my machine ... :-) -- Paul M. Cardon President of Provo OpenStep-NEXTSTEP User and Developer Group (PoNG) NEXTSTEP and HP System Manager Math Department - Brigham Young University Member of the Open Buzzword Foundation (OBF) Standards Committee
From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Address of Unter Ecker Date: 16 Jun 1994 17:13:11 -0600 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tqma7$aft@u.cc.utah.edu> References: <2tpr0h$10n@korfu.igd.fhg.de> <940616121750.1179AAC6H.info@barkley> Have they changed their name, has Dave made an easy typing error, or is it still Alembic? Which is it, John P.? ..................................kris info@paradigm-shift.com wrote: : Unter Ecker Software can be reached at the following: : 49-6131-368804 [voice] : 49-6131-365416 [fax] : untereck@vipmzw.physik.uni-mainz.ds [email] : in the US call Alembix Systems at: : 800-452-7608 : 303-799-6223 : 303-799-1435 [fax] : info@alembix.com : Dave Briggman
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: It's 4:08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Date: 17 Jun 1994 03:45:27 GMT Organization: MCNC/NC-REN Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tr68n$89d@inxs.concert.net> References: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> In article <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes: > Lately I have noticed a strange problem with my NeXT slab (a NeXTstation > running 3.1). Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it > hangs at 4:08 AM. I haven't bothered to stay up until 4:08 (or reset the > clock to just before 4:08). I just figured I would ask to see if anyone > has seen a problem like this. Actually, I remember something similar in the movie "The Amityville Horror" except that it was at 3:15 am...I guess your machine didn't see the movie. Dave
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: It's 4:08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Date: 17 Jun 1994 03:45:57 GMT Organization: MCNC/NC-REN Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tr69l$89e@inxs.concert.net> References: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> In article <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes: Lately I have noticed a strange problem with my NeXT slab (a NeXTstation running 3.1). Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it hangs at 4:08 AM. I haven't bothered to stay up until 4:08 (or reset the clock to just before 4:08). I just figured I would ask to see if anyone has seen a problem like this. Actually, I remember something similar in the movie "The Amityville Horror" except that it was at 3:15 am...I guess your machine didn't see the movie. Dave
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: It's 4:08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Date: 17 Jun 1994 03:47:49 GMT Organization: MCNC/NC-REN Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tr6d5$89f@inxs.concert.net> References: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> In article <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes: > > Lately I have noticed a strange problem with my NeXT slab (a NeXTstation > running 3.1). Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it > hangs at 4:08 AM. I haven't bothered to stay up until 4:08 (or reset the > clock to just before 4:08). I just figured I would ask to see if anyone > has seen a problem like this. I seem to remember this except that the magic time was 3:15AM...I think it was in the movie "The Amityville Horror", I guess your machine didn't see the movie! ;-) Dave
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NewsGrazer Problem - Sorry for the Multiple Postings Date: 17 Jun 1994 03:49:31 GMT Organization: MCNC/NC-REN Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tr6gb$89i@inxs.concert.net> Dave
From: jmack@skye.phys.ualberta.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 17 Jun 1994 04:15:19 GMT Organization: Computer and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Message-ID: <2tr80n$kj6@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <1994Jun16.085034.6641@aristo.tau.ac.il> In article <1994Jun16.085034.6641@aristo.tau.ac.il> leb@label.tau.ac.il (Larry Blume) writes: > In article <CrCGvB.EB@euler.hnv.icem.de> js@euler.hnv.icem.de(Juergen > Sell) writes: > > In article <2teft9$t8e@nic-nac.CSU.net> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. > Scott) writes: > > > In article <Cr7yqK.4zJ@dsinc!flash> tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu > > > writes: > > > >There's /usr/bin/pmem, which gets you this information: > > > > > > >It's not in the man pages, at least it doesn't seem to be. > > > > > > Neither is /usr/etc/vmoprint, and it's fun too. :-) There is also another one: >usr/etc/vmmprint -p0 Virtual Memory Map for pid 0: Task map 0x40d1e66: pmap=0x40bab68,ref=1,nentries=113 map entry 0x40d226a: start=0x10000000, end=0x10004000, prot=7/7/copy, object=0x0, offset=0x0 map entry 0x40d223a: start=0x10004000, end=0x1000a000, prot=7/7/copy, wired, object=0x40b4520, offset=0x4000 Object 0x40b4520: size=0x4000000, resident=219, ref=195 pager=270124672, paging offset=0x0, shadow=(0x0)+0x0 memory:=(off=0x4000,page=0x40fa000),(off=0x6000,page=0x40fc000) ...(off=0x8000,page=0x40fe000),(off=0x10a000,page=0x4100000) ...(off=0x10c000,page=0x4102000),(off=0x10e000,page=0x4104000) ...(off=0x110000,page=0x4106000),(off=0x112000,page=0x4108000) ... -- James S. MacKinnon Office: P-139 Avahd-Bhatia Physics Lab Computing/Networking Phone : (403) 492-8226 Department of Physics email : jmack@phys.ualberta.ca University of Alberta uucp : uofaphys!jmack iskye!jmack Edmonton, Canada T6G 2N5 bitnet: jmack@triumfcl jsm1@ualtamts
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: SCSI ID SETTINGS FOR QUANTUM EMPIRE SERIES 1080MB Message-ID: <CrJ1En.2E4@ucdavis.edu> Summary: Which jumpers on the control board for Quantum 1080 MB Drive Keywords: SCSI ID - Which Jumper - Quantum 1080 MB Empire series Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 05:47:11 GMT I just received a pair of 1080 MB Quantum Empire Series Hard Drives. One is set to SCSI ID #6, the other to #7. All the jumpers are set identically on the control board. Question: How does one set the SCSI ID??? on this drive? e-mail: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu Thanks, David Bradford "Did you realize that Peter O'toole has a double phallic name?" - Groucho Marx in a letter to Dick Cavett.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: leif@pattern.rmnug.org (Leif Smith) Subject: NeXT at American Association of Petroleum Geologists Convention Message-ID: <1994Jun16.185046.2336@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: leif@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Pattern Research, Denver, Colorado Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 18:50:46 GMT Hospitality arrangements for international visitors to the annual convention of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists were coordinated with a NEXTSTEP based system. The convention was in Denver this week. Clients: 4 Hewlett Packard RISCs, 2 NeXTs, 1 486. Server: HP running Sybase. Client software built with ESPRESSO!, DBKit. Reports done with Impress. Progamming, hardware selection an installation by Chris Huston, of D. C. Dudley and Associates, an oil & gas exploration company. Quite a beautiful piece of work! -- Leif Smith, Denver leif@pattern.rmnug.org
From: pjs@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: rtf portable to other systems? Date: 17 Jun 1994 12:25:35 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, CCIT Distribution: world Message-ID: <PJS.94Jun17052536@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> References: <PJS.94Jun15191418@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> <2tq0nh$r6j@hpscit.sc.hp.com> In-reply-to: sailer@a4430edc.esr.hp.com's message of 16 Jun 1994 17:04:49 GMT In article <2tq0nh$r6j@hpscit.sc.hp.com> sailer@a4430edc.esr.hp.com (Lee Sailer) writes: Paul J. Sanchez (pjs@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu) wrote: > I'd like to be able to use Edit to write memos in rtf, since it's so > darned easy to do. My problem is getting people on other systems to > accept it in an electronic rather than paper environment. So are > there any decent (easy to use) free rtf edit/display programs for > other environments? I think most Windows Word Processors will read RTF files. Thanks, Lee. I knew from Garfinkel & Mahoney's book that RTF was a Microsloth invention, so I didn't think Windows would be any problem. Does anyone know of an RTF editor for X environments? -- --paul paul@whimsy.umsl.edu ================================================================= Soap and education are not as sudden as a massacre, but they are more deadly in the long run. --Mark Twain =================================================================
From: laughner@freewilly.midatl.mccaw.com (Bill Laughner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next Subject: NeXTStep Training calender Date: 17 Jun 1994 13:11:01 GMT Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Message-ID: <2ts7d5$f45@ftp-p.mccaw.com> Does anyone have a current training calender for NeXTStep for the remainder of the year. I need a list of classes, prices and locations for upcoming classes. If you do please Mail a copy to me. Thanks in advance!
From: hship@zen.cac.stratus.com (Howard Ship) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: It's 4:08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Date: 17 Jun 1994 13:40:36 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <2ts94k$7qc@transfer.stratus.com> References: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> In article <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes: > > Lately I have noticed a strange problem with my NeXT slab (a NeXTstation > running 3.1). Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it > hangs at 4:08 AM. I haven't bothered to stay up until 4:08 (or reset the > clock to just before 4:08). I just figured I would ask to see if anyone > has seen a problem like this. > > -- Just yesterday I was fooling with cron ... if your defaults are the same as mine, then the script /usr/adm/daily is run every morning at 4am. I believe there are log files (I just checked .. mine are empty). Anyway, check that script and see if it could be doing anything evil. -- DIDI... is that a MARTIAN name, or, are we in ISRAEL? Howard Ship hship@zen.cac.stratus.com [NeXT Mail OK] `84 GPz 750 "I lurk not, neither do I flame."
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Screen Dump Application? Date: 17 Jun 1994 16:23:55 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2tsimr$mj1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> I know there used to be a bundled application that does screen dumps of selected portions of the screen (black hardware). The 1.0 OS for sure had this, because I know I've used it. However, I can't remember the name and location of the application. Can someone point me in the right direction? Jim Beauchamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jbright@stimpy.carleton.ca (Jason Bright) Subject: Re: It's 4:08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Message-ID: <CrJyDF.38o@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:39:14 GMT In article <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes: > > Lately I have noticed a strange problem with my NeXT slab (a NeXTstation > running 3.1). Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it > hangs at 4:08 AM. I haven't bothered to stay up until 4:08 (or reset the > clock to just before 4:08). I just figured I would ask to see if anyone > has seen a problem like this. > > -- > ----------------------------+--------------------------------------------- -- > Alan F. Perry | Life is short, but by achieving greater speeds > alanp@eng.sun.com (work) | a man can make his life a little longer and > esprit@netcom.com (home) | more affluent - Soichiro Honda It's not quite the same thing, but my cube, if left on all night with an OD in the drive will start thrashing on the OD at around 4am. Has happened a number of times and always end up halting the system----really noisy if you're sleeping in the next room. later jay jbright@stimpy.carleton.ca (NeXTMail most happy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca (Michal Jaegermann) Subject: Re: It's 4: 08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Message-ID: <1994Jun17.175516.20062@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: Department of Physics, University of Alberta References: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:55:16 GMT Alan F. Perry (esprit@netcom.com) wrote: : Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it : hangs at 4:08 AM. Is your /usr/adm/daily, or something similar, running around 4 am? It may contain lines like this: if [ `/bin/hostname` != localhost ]; then find / -name .nfs\* -mtime +7 -exec rm -f {} \; -o -fstype nfs -prune fi 'find' will try to walk all over the place. I had similar crashes when my hard drive started acting up. Pretty soon after it gave up a ghost and had to be replaced. Any interesting leftovers in your 'messages' file? Michal
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pelletk@il.us.swissbank.com (Ken Pelletier) Subject: Re: It's 4: 08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Message-ID: <1994Jun17.201824.10292@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division References: <CrJyDF.38o@cunews.carleton.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 20:18:24 GMT Jason Bright writes > In article <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) > writes: > > > > Lately I have noticed a strange problem with my NeXT slab (a NeXTstation > > running 3.1). Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it > > hangs at 4:08 AM. I haven't bothered to stay up until 4:08 (or reset > the > > clock to just before 4:08). I just figured I would ask to see if anyone > > has seen a problem like this. > > > > It's not quite the same thing, but my cube, if left on all night with an > OD in the drive will start thrashing on the OD at around 4am. Has happened > a number of times and always end up halting the system----really noisy > if you're sleeping in the next room. > My guess is that you've got a cron job that's doing a find (probably looking for core files to remove or something like that), and that's why it was hitting your OD. - Ken (ken@nika.com)
From: wjadams@hubcap.clemson.edu (William J Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Transys PNI prob on ns3.2/fip Date: 17 Jun 94 20:39:10 GMT Organization: Clemson University Message-ID: <wjadams.771885550@hubcap> hey I'm a guy w/ transys pni 1.9 and I can't get the thing to work to save my life, I've tried everything and keep getting the following. Unknown Unix error: pni ENOENT thanks in advance, Bill Adams ps. please send mail to wjadams@db.erau.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: rtf portable to other systems? Message-ID: <CrKn4B.ADB@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <PJS.94Jun15191418@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> <2tq0nh$r6j@hpscit.sc.hp.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 02:33:47 GMT Lee Sailer (sailer@a4430edc.esr.hp.com) wrote: : Paul J. Sanchez (pjs@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu) wrote: : > I'd like to be able to use Edit to write memos in rtf, since it's so : > darned easy to do. My problem is getting people on other systems to : > accept it in an electronic rather than paper environment. So are : > there any decent (easy to use) free rtf edit/display programs for : > other environments? : I think most Windows Word Processors will read RTF files. To go to the Mac, there's Convert_RTF.app, that should be on the archives. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: Screen Dump Application? Message-ID: <CrKnM1.BEH@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2tsimr$mj1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 02:44:25 GMT James Beauchamp (beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : I know there used to be a bundled application that does screen dumps of : selected portions of the screen (black hardware). The 1.0 OS for sure had : this, because I know I've used it. However, I can't remember the name and : location of the application. Can someone point me in the right direction? You could use Grab.app to grab a piece of the screen (either a window, the whole screen, or a rectagular shape) and then print it... Grab used to be a NeXTDev Demo program. Promoted at some point near 3.0 to a /NextApps app. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: nishimu@macro.co.jp (Tosh Nishimura) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS3.1(J) on Compaq XE466 Message-ID: <NISHIMU.94Jun18180814@janis.macro.co.jp> Date: 18 Jun 94 09:08:13 GMT References: <NISHIMU.94Jun17231104@next.macro.co.jp> Sender: nishimu@macro.co.jp (Tosh Nishimura) Organization: Macro Engineering Co., Ltd. Taito-ku Tokyo, Japan. In-Reply-To: nishimu@macro.co.jp's message of Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:11:03 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>>> "Me" == Tosh Nishimura <nishimu@macro.co.jp> writes: Me> I use Compaq XE466, Me>(1) a sound is unusable by COMPAQ business audio driver Me>(2) display size or bw/color are not selectable. Me>(3) kernel cannot recognize over 16MByte memory. Me> I found some solutions about them Me>(1) MS sound system driver is suitable. Sound is usable. Me>(2) I make a small patch to fix it. We can get a new driver for QVision-localbus from nextanswers now!!! Me> (3) I think all compaq's ISA-machine is incompatible about over Me> 16MByte. NeXTAnwsers tells to set memory configuration to "linear" on Compaq DeskPro. But, SETUP program in DIAGNOSTICS floppy with Compaq XE466 does not such option. Is there any SETUP program? P.S. When I try to boot from DIAGNOSTICS floppy, It makes a DIAGNOSTICS partition, and the first 2M byte of harddisk is overwritten.... nishimu -- nishimu - NeXTMail Ready -
From: "Thomas G. Mon" <tm31+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Random noise. Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 08:11:18 -0400 Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <wi0iFa_00iV2Q0pPlo@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <CrJyDF.38o@cunews.carleton.ca> For some reason when I start my NeXTstation Turbo up, the monitor gives a high pitched sound and decided not to stop making it unless I turn it off. Although it was a prob. a stupid thing to do, I unplugged just the montor from the station and it still make the sound, so it wasn't getting a signal to make this noise. It's pretty loud and when you hit the up/down sound keys, it "flutters".... Any ideas? It happens like once every 4 months? tm31@andrew.cmu.edu
From: damonc@hookup.net (Damon F. Cooper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HERE'S HOW: Standalone SLIP in 11 Easy Steps Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 13:27:55 GMT Organization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Oakville, Ontario, CANADA Message-ID: <damonc.33.2E02F65B@hookup.net> I got TransSys PNI 1.9 working on my standalone NS Intel 3.2 machines!!! Thanks to everyone who responded (WOW! Talk about a helpfull community!!) Every one of the replies put a piece in the puzzle. What I was doing wrong was a combination of things: 1) I had MTU in pni0.config left at 1006 when my provider had an MTU of 2000+ 2) I may have had "bad" chars in some of my config files (I replaced them with ones supplied/suggested and did #1 above and it "just worked"!!) Anyway, many thanks to all who helped out. If you are in a similar situation, and are still struggling to get a SLIP connection going, here are the basic steps (as I remember them anyway.) If I've missed anything, or misrepresented something, someone please correct me. Do all steps logged in as root. 1) Install NEXTSTEP. 2) Get an account with Internet provider and get info (IP addresses, etc) 3) Get and install TransSys PNI 1.9 (available @ cs.orst.edu). When installing, answer "YES" to the "Make Non-NetInfo Network". 4) Restart the machine. 5) In HostManager, do Hosts->Open->Local and: a) Set the IP address to the one given you by the provider. b) Add an alias. The alias should be the "Host Name" given you by the provider (in my case "damonc"). 6) Open /etc/hostconfig and change the HOSTNAME field from the default value of -AUTOMATIC- to the value of the "Host Name" you set in step 5(b) above. When finished, it should look similar to this (your HOSTNAME will be different, of course): # /etc/hostconfig # Local host configuration file # HOSTNAME=damonc INETADDR=-AUTOMATIC- ROUTER=-NO- IPNETMASK= IPBROADCAST=-AUTOMATIC- NETMASTER=-NO- YPDOMAIN=-NO- TIME=-NO- 7) Open /etc/resolv.conf (or create one if it doesn't exist so that your machine can find a nameserver. You need a) the IP address of the nearest Name Server and b) your Domain Suffix (your local domain) from your Internet provider. When finished, it should look similar to this (your addresses will be different, of course): # /etc/resolv.conf # Domain name resolver configuration file # domain tor.hookup.net nameserver 165.154.1.1 8) Restart the machine 9) Set up the TransSys PNI config files. a) Save the following as pni0.config in /etc/pni/config. CHECK WITH YOU INTERNET PROVIDER FOR THE CORRECT "MTU" TO USE. (Your addresses, etc will be different, of course): # # Pretty close to minimal configuration file for just plain SLIP using # # $Header: /local/SRCS/slip2/pnid/support/config.slip,v 1.4 1993/10/06 02:42:48 louie Exp $ ## PART I. set Config(pni:INTERFACE) pni0 set Config(pni:MTU) 2000 set Config(pni:ADDRESS) local-address set Config(pni:REMOTEADDRESS) remote-address set Config(pni:NETWORKMASK) 255.255.255.0 set Config(pni:DEFAULT) 1 set Config(slip:MODE) slip set Config(tty:DEVICE) /dev/cufa set Config(tty:SPEED) 38400 set Config(tty:MODEMTYPE) zyxel set Config(tty:SERVERTYPE) unix set Config(tty:SERVERNAME) SlipServerName set Config(tty:NUMBER) 416-630-0970 set Config(SlipServerName:DIALTYPE) TONE set Config(SlipServerName:USERNAME) username set Config(SlipServerName:PASSWORD) password # PART II. stack PNI pni stack SLIP slip stack TTY tty # PART III. proc LINK_start { encap } { log "LINK $encap connected" } proc LINK_stop { encap } { log "LINK $encap disconnected" } # # END OF FILE b) Save the following as login-unix.tcl in /etc/pni/support (Your login script will be different, of course): # Copyright 1993 by TransSys, Inc. # All rights reserved. # # $Header: /local/SRCS/slip2/pnid/support/login-unix.tcl,v 1.7 1994/05/14 20:15:32 louie Exp $ # # # Login script for use when remote end is some sort of UNIX box that will # drop into SLIP mode. # proc login-hookup { DIALER cfg } { global Config syslog LOG_INFO "Start Hookup login script" if {[info exists Config($cfg:SECRETFILE)] && [file exists $Config($cfg:SECRETFILE)]} { if {[file readable $Config($cfg:SECRETFILE)]} { source $Config($cfg:SECRETFILE) } file stat $Config($cfg:SECRETFILE) stat if {[expr $stat(mode)&044]} { error "File with password, $Config($cfg:SECRETFILE), is readable by non-owner!" } } else { if {[info exists Config($cfg:USERNAME)]} { set username $Config($cfg:USERNAME) } if {[info exists Config($cfg:PASSWORD)]} { set password $Config($cfg:PASSWORD) } } set timeout 20 # In case autobaud # $DIALER xmit "\r" # $DIALER sleep 1 $DIALER xmit "\r" $DIALER sleep 10 # Look for unix login prompt $DIALER expect timeout {error "waiting for login prompt"} "*ogin:*" # Send login poop $DIALER xmit "$username\r" $DIALER expect timeout {error "waiting for password"} "*assword:*" $DIALER sleep 1 $DIALER xmit "$password\r" # Wait for connection set timeout 60 $DIALER expect timeout {error "waiting for SLIP startup"} "*choice:*" $DIALER xmit "2\r" $DIALER sleep 5 # set timeout 20 syslog LOG_INFO "Entering SLIP mode" # That's all return 1 } c) Copy the Zyxel modem file (dial-zyxel.tcl) from the /etc/pni/support or /etc/pni/SAMPLES (can't remember which one?) to /etc/pni/config. This file name must match the value for "Config(tty:MODEMTYPE)" line in the /etc/pni/config/pni0.config file. 10) If you want to bring up the SLIP link when you start the machine, rename the /etc/pni/config/pni0.config to /etc/pni/config/pni0.config-auto. 11) Restart the machine. If you chose to set up the link on startup, you should now be connected. If you chose not to bring up the link on startup, enter the following in a terminal window to manually bring up the link: /etc/pni/pnid -t -d -c -f /etc/pni/config/pni0.config or /etc/pni/pnid -t -d -c -f /etc/pni/config/pni0.config-auto (if you are bringing up the link at startup but it failed) NOTE: this command line will work, but it shows test and debugging info. Lookup /etc/pni/pnirun in the TransSys doco for a "proper" command. THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYONE THAT HELPED OUT!! SEE YOU AT THE EXPO!! Regards, Damon F. Cooper damonc@hookup.net
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: It's 4: 08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Date: 18 Jun 1994 08:15:43 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94Jun18091543@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> <1994Jun17.175516.20062@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> To: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca (Michal Jaegermann) In-reply-to: michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca's message of Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:55:16 GMT <michal@gortel.phys.ualberta.ca> writes: >Alan F. Perry (esprit@netcom.com) wrote: >: Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it >: hangs at 4:08 AM. >Is your /usr/adm/daily, or something similar, running around 4 am? >It may contain lines like this: > if [ `/bin/hostname` != localhost ]; then > find / -name .nfs\* -mtime +7 -exec rm -f {} \; -o -fstype nfs -prune > fi >'find' will try to walk all over the place. >I had similar crashes when my hard drive started acting up. Pretty soon >after it gave up a ghost and had to be replaced. Any interesting >leftovers in your 'messages' file? > Michal Yes if you've changed your hostname to something other than localhost then simply comment those lines out. -- "Real programmers don't create classes. They build hierarchies" (PGP key: send email with Subject: request pgp key) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: It's 4:08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Date: 18 Jun 1994 08:17:37 GMT Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <ROBERT.94Jun18091737@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> <CrJyDF.38o@cunews.carleton.ca> To: jbright@stimpy.carleton.ca (Jason Bright) In-reply-to: jbright@stimpy.carleton.ca's message of Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:39:14 GMT <jbright@stimpy.carleton.ca> writes: >In article <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) >writes: >> >>Lately I have noticed a strange problem with my NeXT slab (a NeXTstation >>running 3.1). Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it >>hangs at 4:08 AM. I haven't bothered to stay up until 4:08 (or reset >the >>clock to just before 4:08). I just figured I would ask to see if anyone >>has seen a problem like this. >> >>-- >> >----------------------------+--------------------------------------------- >-- >>Alan F. Perry | Life is short, but by achieving greater >speeds >>alanp@eng.sun.com (work) | a man can make his life a little longer >and >>esprit@netcom.com (home) | more affluent - Soichiro Honda >It's not quite the same thing, but my cube, if left on all night with an >OD in the drive will start thrashing on the OD at around 4am. Has happened >a number of times and always end up halting the system----really noisy >if you're sleeping in the next room. I see the cause of this problem is the find command looking for old .nfs files. Look for in /usr/adm/daily #if [ `/bin/hostname` != localhost ]; then # find / -name .nfs\* -mtime +7 -exec rm -f {} \; -o -fstype nfs -prune #fi Make sure those three lines are commented out. -- "Real programmers don't create classes. They build hierarchies" (PGP key: send email with Subject: request pgp key) (ASCII for text only messages)
From: mengpao@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (mengpao cheng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Question]: "System clock" differ than "NS clock"??? Date: 18 Jun 1994 14:34:10 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Message-ID: <2tv0l2$ds2@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> References: <NISHIMU.94Jun17231104@next.macro.co.jp> <NISHIMU.94Jun18180814@janis.macro.co.jp> Hello, Does anyone know why the "preference clock" can't read the "system clock" whcih set up by BIOS. I tried several times when I changed one correctly, the other one became incorrect. However, when I stay on "preference clock" correct and ignore the "system clock", everything seems working fine. Anybody have any ideal what causes the problem??? Rueiwun Tu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: js@euler.hnv.icem.de(Juergen Sell) Subject: Re: It's 4:08 AM. Time for the NeXT to crash! Message-ID: <CrJyIr.FG@euler.hnv.icem.de> Sender: js@euler.hnv.icem.de (Juergen Sell) Organization: Ink Unknown References: <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:42:26 GMT In article <espritCrItp6.Mtq@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes: > > Lately I have noticed a strange problem with my NeXT slab (a NeXTstation > running 3.1). Every time that I leave the machine on all night, it > hangs at 4:08 AM. I haven't bothered to stay up until 4:08 (or reset the > clock to just before 4:08). I just figured I would ask to see if anyone > has seen a problem like this. Any jobs mentioned in /etc/crontab or crontab.local? Also, is there no info in /usr/adm/messages on what might have gone wrong? In the nmi-monitor messages? Juergen --- Fon ++49-511-440688 NeXTMail welcome Fax ++49-511-440617 == What time do we live in when all the word 'revolution' makes you think of == is a new version of soap powder, == when spontaneity and freedom gets associated with instant coffee?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgaston@stpaul.ncr.com (Jim Gaston) Subject: Looking for Jesus Molinas, NeXT: Valencia, Spain Message-ID: <jgaston.4@stpaul.ncr.com> Sender: news@NCRTimes.stpaul.ncr.com Organization: WAN Interface Development Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 20:41:58 GMT Jesus, Are you on the net? Jim Jim Gaston, Software Engineer AT&T GIS (NCR NPD), St.Paul, MN. Voice: (612) 638-7398 Email: jim.gaston@stpaul.ncr.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: [Question]: "System clock" differ than "NS clock"??? Message-ID: <CrLvxM.Mr9@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <NISHIMU.94Jun17231104@next.macro.co.jp> <NISHIMU.94Jun18180814@janis.macro.co.jp> <2tv0l2$ds2@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 18:41:45 GMT mengpao cheng (mengpao@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU) wrote: : Hello, : Does anyone know why the "preference clock" can't read the : "system clock" whcih set up by BIOS. I tried several times when I : changed one correctly, the other one became incorrect. However, when I : stay on "preference clock" correct and ignore the : "system clock", everything seems working fine. Anybody have any ideal : what causes the problem??? NeXT assumes that the system clock is running on Greenwich Meridian time, and then adjusts it to whatever time zone you picked in Preferences.app. Now, when I'm in DOS on my machine at home, DOS (which assumes that the system clock is set to _local_ time) is always 5 hours ahead of time. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: asm@eecg.toronto.edu (Anees S. Munshi) Subject: 2Gb Hard drive recommendation wanted Message-ID: <1994Jun17.154511.20323@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Keywords: HDD, hard drive Date: 17 Jun 94 19:45:12 GMT Hello, I would like to get a 2Gb drive for my NeXTStation (mono, non-turbo, running NS3.0). I tried the Dynatek 2Gb drive (which is an IBM mechanism). It formats, but buildfs fails (rw errors). Is anyone using a 2Gb drive successfully with the NeXT. If so please send me email ASAP (do not post). If this in a FAQ please let me know where to find it (and I apologize in advance). Thanks a bundle. Regards, Anees Munshi asm@eecg.toronto.edu
From: God <diety@heaven.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Jesus Molinas, NeXT: Valencia, Spain Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 21:09:04 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Sheffield Sender: "mmalcolm Crawford" <malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: <940620220904.9852AACUE.malc@jeeves> References: <jgaston.4@stpaul.ncr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Jesus, > Are you on the net? > No, he's been a naughty boy and I've disconnected his SLIP connection. He might be allowed out at the end of the millennium. Dad.
From: stimpy@beavis.im.med.umich.edu (Gary L.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 2Gb Hard drive recommendation wanted Date: 18 Jun 1994 21:49:20 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Medical Center Message-ID: <2tvq50$42d@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <1994Jun17.154511.20323@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Anees S. Munshi (asm@eecg.toronto.edu) wrote: : Hello, : I would like to get a 2Gb drive for my NeXTStation (mono, : non-turbo, running NS3.0). : I tried the Dynatek 2Gb drive (which is an IBM mechanism). : It formats, but buildfs fails (rw errors). : Is anyone using a 2Gb drive successfully with the NeXT. If : so please send me email ASAP (do not post). If this in a FAQ : please let me know where to find it (and I apologize in : advance). : Thanks a bundle. : Regards, : Anees Munshi : asm@eecg.toronto.edu THe DEC 2 gig works... write kcheek@umich.edu and ask hime about it... Gary -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ stimpy@beavis.im.med.umich.edu no NeXTmail yet please Founder of the NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors HomeBrew mailing list ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: gabor@arch-ws11.architektur.uni-kassel.de (Gabor Freivogel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Suggestion for advanced Image processing application? Date: 20 Jun 1994 13:42:41 GMT Organization: University of Kassel - Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <2u46ch$dfd@hrz-ws11.hrz.uni-kassel.de> Hallo I am looking for a (high-end) image processor for NEXTSTEP (FAT). I use appsoft Image currently but it crashes very often, so I need a (better and more powerful) replacement. I have seen some adverts about Compose In Color but could not find anybody, who has already worked with this application. If somebody uses it or similar products please send me some suggestions / comments. important features: - advanced image editing - Image formats ( Photoshop if possible) - digitizer support - scaner support - color separation Thanks. Gabor -- Gabor Freivogel GhK FB Architektur Henschelstr. 2 34109 Kassel E-mail: gabor@architektur.uni-kassel.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: Backplane configuration for Cube Message-ID: <Cr808w.5q8@ucdavis.edu> Summary: Jumpers on the backplane - how to configure a multiboard cube?? Keywords: Question Configure Backplane Multiboard Cube Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 06:48:31 GMT Does anyone know how to configure the backplane for a multiboard cube and/or where I can get the jumper pins for the backplane. Also, I have seen the rom monitor brought up over a serial connection. Does anyone know how to do that?? I suppose it is possible to get other boards to boot off of the ethernet but one must configure the boot parameters first. Does anyone know where these parameters are held? Seems that one would not want to hold them on a drive as this would defeat the purpose of booting from the ether. Any input or references to FAQ archives greatly appreciated. Thanks, David
From: lloyd@max.tiac.net (Christopher Lloyd - not the actor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix or vt240 emulation Date: 10 Jun 1994 23:39:24 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Distribution: ba,na,usa,world Message-ID: <2tatjc$i59@sundog.tiac.net> References: <1994Jun9.191738.16417@seer.demon.co.uk> <Cr6x5u.AL@chemelex.com> In article <Cr6x5u.AL@chemelex.com> fms@chemelex.com writes: >Anyone have a vt340, color and hi res graphics, terminal >emulator? Sorry, currently, I know of no product for NEXTSTEP which is capable of VT340 emulation with color and high res. graphics....BUT I'll surely note the need - several other people have asked us for it too. If anyone needs _any_ terminal emulation for NEXTSTEP, please drop me a line at lloyd@yrrid.com with the name of the emulation or stop by our booth at the Expo and say Hi! Here at Yrrid we have built an OO framework and application called 'Cables' for rapidly developing new, high quality, terminal emulations for NEXTSTEP. We are always interested in what everyone out there needs, and do our best to fill that need in an orderly manner. I just recently finished a TI 931 which was in desperate need at a small site, and have an HP 700/9X series emulator in the works to add to our VT320/220/102, IBM 3278/9, ANSI-PC & DG D200 series. No emulator too obscure, no site too small, we do our best to help integrate NEXTSTEP into an existing terminal based environment. Am I gonna get flamed for this? Oh well... -- |: Christopher Lloyd :|: Yrrid Incorporated :|: lloyd@yrrid.com :| |: "If you find this world bad, you should see some of the others" -PKD :|
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Tseng-Labs W32i driver available? Message-ID: <Jun.12.13.44.27.1994.218@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 12 Jun 94 17:44:27 GMT References: <2t08eb$hhs@columba.udac.uu.se> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. m94dwa@albireo.tdb.uu.se (David Wallin) writes: >The Compatibility Guide from May 8 1994 say that a Tseng-Labs W32i driver >is planned for Q2 94. >And now over to the questions: >1. Is it available yet ? Yes, if you email Gary at stimpy@beavis.im.med.umich.edu you should get a copy. >3. What resolutions is supported ? I was a bit dissapointed with the initial resolutions set: "2" = "0640-0480-C16-60Hz-M1-NW32i 640 x 480 Color (RGB:555/16) @ 60Hz"; "4" = "0640-0480-C16-76Hz-M2-NW32i 640 x 480 Color (RGB:555/16) @ 76Hz"; "6" = "0640-0480-GR8-60Hz-M2-NW32i 640 x 480 Grayscale (BW:8) @ 60Hz"; "8" = "0640-0480-GR8-76Hz-M1-NW32i 640 x 480 Grayscale (BW:8) @ 76Hz"; "10" = "0800-0600-C16-60Hz-M1-NW32i 800 x 600 Color (RGB:555/16) @ 60Hz"; "12" = "0800-0600-C16-65Hz-M2-NW32i 800 x 600 Color (RGB:555/16) @ 65Hz"; "14" = "0800-0600-GR8-60Hz-M1-NW32i 800 x 600 Grayscale (BW:8) @ 60Hz"; "16" = "0800-0600-GR8-65Hz-M2-NW32i 800 x 600 Grayscale (BW:8) @ 65Hz"; "18" = "0800-0600-GR8-76Hz-M3-NW32i 800 x 600 Grayscale (BW:8) @ 76Hz"; "20" = "1024-0768-C16-45Hz-MX-IW32i 1024 x 768i Color (RGB:555/16) @ 45Hz"; "24" = "1024-0768-GR8-60Hz-M3-NW32i 1024 x 768 Grayscale (BW:8) @ 60Hz"; "26" = "1024-0768-GR8-70Hz-M4-NW32i 1024 x 768 Grayscale (BW:8) @ 70Hz"; "28" = "1120-0832-GR8-70Hz-MX-NW32i 1120 x 832 Grayscale (BW:8) @ 70Hz"; Most dissapointing is that mode 20 or 1024>768@16bits is interlaced @ 45hz! I was hoping to get a 16bit mode at 1120X832 at 65hz!!!! Anyway, I would be happy as pie to get a 1024X768@16bit@65hz mode... >4. Since Im not sure if to buy a W32i-based card, is it a good choice > or can you recommend me some other card (maybe a Weitek Power 9000)? If your budget can afford it, I would go with the viper, ati, stb or miro card. Later, John
From: thomas@kalium.physik.TU-Berlin.DE (Thomas Hensel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POSIX functions? Date: 19 Jun 1994 11:23:31 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Message-ID: <2u19rj$ign@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <1994Jun17.153441.21675@cc.usu.edu> In article <1994Jun17.153441.21675@cc.usu.edu> writes: > What does one do to access POSIX functions? > Please Cc: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu. > Thanks, > > -- kc cc -posix foo.c -o foo ^^^^^^ that is all ... Thomas -- email: thomas@kalium.physik.TU-Berlin.DE (NeXTMail) vmail: +49 (0)30 314 23014 (work) +49 (0)30 393 65 20 (home) smail: TU Berlin, Institut Strahlungsphysik, Hardenbergstr.36, 10623 Berlin
From: mengpao@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (mengpao cheng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 11 Jun 1994 10:53:10 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Message-ID: <2tc52m$5rj@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> References: <Cr58s4.u5M@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <Cr5rHp.36u@news.cis.umn.edu> <CHRIS.94Jun10212257arkin@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch> Hello NeXT Fans, I have a couple of questions really annoying me. Hopefully I can gather some answers from all of you. On "NeXTAnswers #1475", it said that the Adaptec 1742 SCSI controller must be set in "Standard Mode" in order to run NS. It also mentioned that when you set Adaptec 1742 in "Standard Mode", it is compitable with Adaptec 1542. My questions are: 1. If we set 1742 in standard mode which is compatible with 1542, can 1742 still take advantage of 32bit EISA board. Or said can 1742 still has the ability to access the memory more than 16MB??? 2. Supposely one has EISA motherboard and want to choose either 1742 or 1542 controller. Since 1542 and 1742 are both using the same driver in NS, why would people pay more for using 1742 instead of using 1542 -- assuming both of them make no difference to each others. 3. I think a lot of fans know that PAS16 and Adaptec 1542 will fight each other in ISA bus motherboard. Is this going to be the same if one use both of them in EISA bus motherboard??? In another hand, assuming both 1542 and 1742 are functioning in the same way (since they are using the same driver), will 1742 and 1542 fight each other in EISA bus motherboard??? Any suggestions or answers will be so appreciated.... Rueiwun Tu
From: work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen Dump Application? Date: 17 Jun 1994 22:20:41 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <2tt7jp$49m@machthenext.dannug.dk> References: <2tsimr$mj1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <2tsimr$mj1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: |> |>I know there used to be a bundled application that does screen dumps of |>selected portions of the screen (black hardware). The 1.0 OS for sure had |>this, because I know I've used it. However, I can't remember the name and |>location of the application. Can someone point me in the right direction? |> |>Jim Beauchamp It is still there!!! It is called Grab, and is located NextApps on the latest 3.2 CD. Mail me if you havent got it... Best Michael --- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk
From: rune@uranus.ifi.unit.no (Rune Sandnes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Looking for BSD Unix for NextStation Date: 21 Jun 1994 01:03:16 GMT Organization: Nettverksgruppa - UNIT Message-ID: <2u5e8k$k4e@ugle.unit.no> References: <2u22mt$436@ugle.unit.no> <CroIBp.1Iy@cunews.carleton.ca> >NeXTSTEP's underside is already based on BSD UNIX, with some add-ons and >modifications. I have received quite a number of emails informing me of this, and I've realised that my original question wasn't clear enough. My student's society has inherited a NextServer, with NextStep 2 on it. We can't afford an upgrade (unless it's free, we wouldn't know - there are no dealers for Next here, and this is as far as we know the only Next box in town.) Most NS software that floats around the net requires NS 3.0 or better. We find the NextServer very difficult to integrate with our existing machines, and really could use it's processor and disk for something more useful (e.g. a news-server) than an interesting museum object. We're told there is a FREE-BSD port for the Next. True? Where? Of course, if we got a software upgrade things would look different. I would really like to have a NextStep machine around, just to give people the possibility to try hands on what they have only hear about earlier... Rune
From: t68@nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: spare parts. I need a black monitor. Message-ID: <2878@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 19 Jun 94 17:41:46 GMT Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). Does anybody know where one can get a new (or rather new) monochrome monitor for a regular NeXT-station? In the Netherlands even the importer could not help me. According to them all leftover computers were shipped back to the US as spare parts, after which they sold most of them as complete systems anyway. Am I out of luck? Jos Vermaseren
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherry@relief.com (Sherry Feiler) Subject: Re: Magazines Message-ID: <Crpvqt.59A@relief.com> Sender: sherry@relief.com (Sherry Ann Feiler) Organization: Relief Consulting & Development References: <1994Jun15.212250.8092@FreemanSoft.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 22:28:04 GMT In article <1994Jun15.212250.8092@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) writes: > What NeXT oriented magazines or sections of magazines still exist? NEXT IN LINE will be premiering at Expo this week. They can be contacted at NEXT IN LINE P.O. Box 392 Berryville, VA 22611 fax: (206) 361-7545 email: nil-subscriptions@abstract.com I am not affiliated with NEXT IN LINE, so please don't reply to me asking for info. > > > -- > Joe Freeman > FreemanSoft Inc. A NEXTSTEP software and consulting services company. > Electronic Mail: Joe@FreemanSoft.com (NeXT Mail) > Voice: 919.783.7033 --- Sherry Feiler sherry@relief.com --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: suppress User Commands window? Message-ID: <1994Jun20.162649.21802@cc.usu.edu> From: deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Date: 20 Jun 94 16:26:49 MDT Organization: As little as I can get away with... Can I suppress the extra window that opens when I use a Utilities > User Commands > whatever button in Edit.app? It's a good way to run SAS, but the extra window is a pain. -- kc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Peter Twarecki <B7NS000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> Subject: Re: "unexpected kernel page fault failure" problem Message-ID: <19JUN94.15257658.0069@VM1.MCGILL.CA> Sender: usenet@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA Organization: McGill University References: <19JUN94.10237669.0061@VM1.MCGILL.CA> <940619161727.6268AACUF.malc@jeeves> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 19:07:38 GMT In article <940619161727.6268AACUF.malc@jeeves> "mmalcolm Crawford" <malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk> writes: >I recently asked a simliar question, particularly re: > > panic: (Cpu 0) MMU invalid descriptor during table walk > >A number of people suggested this was a software fault due to heavy network >traffic. >I have switched the affected machine with another. >The new machine (same spec) does not seem to to be affected. >The old one (now on another segment of the network) seems more stable than >previously (although it gets less use now). > >This leaves me a bit confused... To add to the confusion: my machine is standalone, so there is no network traffic at all (except the loopback). Since this panic does not occur by itself, only when I interrupt the boot process and then restart the machine, I figured that it happens due to software failure when I interrupt the loading of some crucial system software. I also thought of a bad SIMM, but I'm not sure how much the panic message that I got has to do with bad memory... >Have fun, > >mmalcolm. Always :), Peter. Peter Twarecki <b7ns@MUSICB.McGill.CA>
From: rune@uranus.ifi.unit.no (Rune Sandnes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for BSD Unix for NextStation Date: 19 Jun 1994 18:27:41 GMT Organization: Nettverksgruppa - UNIT Message-ID: <2u22mt$436@ugle.unit.no> We would like to try BSD Unix on our NextStation, but we haven't been able to find this port of BSD Unix on any public FTP sites. Is it available, and where? Rune
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Screen Dump Application? Date: 19 Jun 1994 19:02:56 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2u24p0$9nu@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2tsimr$mj1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: >I know there used to be a bundled application that does screen dumps of >selected portions of the screen (black hardware). The 1.0 OS for sure had >this, because I know I've used it. However, I can't remember the name and >location of the application. Can someone point me in the right direction? > >Jim Beauchamp OK, I know the answer is grab.app. Thanks to everyone that responded, but after receiving 20 responses, I think I've got the idea now! It works! Thanks again. Jim
From: hitt@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Hitt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: lost carriage returns with remote login Date: 19 Jun 1994 23:15:10 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Sender: hitt@cs.stanford.edu Message-ID: <2u2jhu$5li@Times.Stanford.EDU> Summary: how to get each line terminated with a carriage return? Keywords: line feed, 3.2, remote log in There's a system running version 3.2 of the operating system which i log onto occasionally. When i log on remote (using telnet from another machine, which i am also remote logged on from kermit on a 386) and do commands like ls, the output often seems to be dropping carriage returns --- i get something like: > ls file1 file2 file3 file4 file6 file7 It seems like it's dropping carriage returns. This only happens on the NeXT---i log onto lots of different machines without this problem. I suppose there is some Unix environment variable that i need to set, but i have no idea what. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. dan hitt@cs.stanford.edu
From: info@paradigm-shift.com (Paradigm Shift Corporation) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dell dropped from NeXT's Hardware Compatibility Guide Date: 21 Jun 1994 03:03:10 GMT Organization: MCNC/NC-REN Distribution: world Message-ID: <2u5l9e$cov@inxs.concert.net> No Dell boxes on the Hardware Compatiblity Guide (as far as Certified Systems)...If you take a look at the new Guide (June 16), there are very few Certified systems on the Guide now, which causes me concern. Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherry@relief.com (Sherry Feiler) Subject: Re: Magazines Message-ID: <Crq1zo.5Gx@relief.com> Sender: sherry@relief.com (Sherry Ann Feiler) Organization: Relief Consulting & Development References: <Crpvqt.59A@relief.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 00:42:59 GMT In article <Crpvqt.59A@relief.com> sherry@relief.com (Sherry Feiler) writes: > In article <1994Jun15.212250.8092@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe > Freeman) writes: > > What NeXT oriented magazines or sections of magazines still exist? > > NEXT IN LINE will be premiering at Expo this week. They can be contacted at > NEXT IN LINE > P.O. Box 392 > Berryville, VA 22611 > fax: (206) 361-7545 > email: nil-subscriptions@abstract.com > > I am not affiliated with NEXT IN LINE, so please don't reply to me asking for > info. > OOPS! The email address is nil-subscriptions@abstractsoft.com Please forgive the error! --- Sherry Feiler sherry@relief.com --
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: More book info ... please Date: 20 Jun 1994 03:56:03 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Message-ID: <2u340j$cm9@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Hello all, I was looking for book info on programming in Obj-C. Whilst looking through the FAQ, I noticed that the book by Garfinkel&Mahoney was not listed. This made me ask myself what other books were missing. Could you please look over this list and if you see any other books that should be on this list, please let me know. I will compile a list and send it to the compiler of the FAQ. Any help is greatly appreciated. (Also, any books that might be good reading that have something in common with NeXTSTEP would be nice ... like programming with MACH ...) Thanks all! From the FAQ: Objective-C and other useful Object-oriented programming references: Budd, Timothy, _An Introduction to Object-Oriented Programming_ (Addison-Wesley) [It discusses Smalltalk, Object Pascal, C++ _and_ Objective-C] Cox, Brad J., _Object Oriented Programming: An Evolutionary Approach_ ISBN 0-201-10393-1. (Addison-Wesley) [Note: 2nd edition - ISBN# is 0-201-54834-8 and has coauthor A.J. Novobilski] Huizenga, Gerrit, "Slides from a short course on Objective-C" available via anonymous ftp from sonata.cc.purdue.edu in pub/next/docs/ObjC.frame.Z, ObjC.ps.Z, or OldObjC.wn.tar.Z Meyer, Bertrand, _Object-Oriented Software Construction_ (Prentice-Hall). NeXT Technical Documentation Pinson and Weiner, _Objective-C: Object-Oriented Programming Techniques_ (Addison-Wesley). 350 pages, ISBN 0 201 50828 1, paperback. User Reference Manual for Objective-C which is available from Stepstone Corporation. (203)426-1875. Note: There are some differences between Stepstone's Objective-C and NeXT's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: Looking for BSD Unix for NextStation Message-ID: <CroIBp.1Iy@cunews.carleton.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2u22mt$436@ugle.unit.no> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 04:40:37 GMT Rune Sandnes (rune@uranus.ifi.unit.no) wrote: : We would like to try BSD Unix on our NextStation, but we haven't been : able to find this port of BSD Unix on any public FTP sites. : Is it available, and where? NeXTSTEP's underside is already based on BSD UNIX, with some add-ons and modifications. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: More book info ... please Message-ID: <CroIqM.29q@cunews.carleton.ca> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2u340j$cm9@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 04:49:33 GMT Joel C Belog (nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote: : Hello all, : I was looking for book info on programming in Obj-C. Whilst : looking through the FAQ, I noticed that the book by Garfinkel&Mahoney : was not listed. This made me ask myself what other : books were missing. There is also NeXTSTEP Programming Concepts and Applications by Alex Duong Nghiem (ISBN 0-13-605916-3) Have you gone over to the comp.lang.objective-c newsgroup? Their FAQ should be more complete, on the subject of Objective-C. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 12 Jun 1994 18:00:37 GMT Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C., USA Message-ID: <2tfig5$gbv@news.duke.edu> References: <2teo6l$elm@yucca.omnigroup.com> William Shipley writes > See you all at Expo, where you'll see (informally) the new OmniWeb. > > -Wil Shipley > Omni Development, Inc. > > PS: No, we don't have a booth, since we've got all the work we can handle, > but we're going to go and schmooze around anyway. Also, we have a pool at our > hotel and you're all invited to come swim with The Omni Group! (That'd > make you an Omni Grouper... d'oh!) Too bad SF doesn't have an Omni Hotel for you! :-) :-) Sorry, I couldn't resist. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
From: rueiwun@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (ruei-wun tu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Questions about Adaptec 1742 and 1542??? Date: 11 Jun 1994 12:39:24 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Message-ID: <2tcb9s$6so@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> References: <CqFvuK.CJ8@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1994Jun2.082747.10090@seer.demon.co.uk> Hello NeXT Fans, I have a couple of questions really annoying me. Hopefully I can gather some answers from all of you. On "NeXTAnswers #1475", it said that the Adaptec 1742 SCSI controller must be set in "Standard Mode" in order to run NS. It also mentioned that when you set Adaptec 1742 in "Standard Mode", it is compitable with Adaptec 1542. My questions are: 1. If we set 1742 in standard mode which is compatible with 1542, can 1742 still take advantage of 32bit EISA board. Or said can 1742 still has the ability to access the memory more than 16MB??? 2. Supposely one has EISA motherboard and want to choose either 1742 or 1542 controller. Since 1542 and 1742 are both using the same driver in NS, why would people pay more for using 1742 instead of using 1542 -- assuming both of them make no difference to each others. 3. I think a lot of fans know that PAS16 and Adaptec 1542 will fight each other in ISA bus motherboard. Is this going to be the same if one use both of them in EISA bus motherboard??? In another hand, assuming both 1542 and 1742 are functioning in the same way (since they are using the same driver), will 1742 and 1542 fight each other in EISA bus motherboard??? Any suggestions or answers will be so appreciated.... Rueiwun Tu
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More on swapping... Date: 12 Jun 1994 08:10:17 GMT Organization: San Francisco State University Message-ID: <2teft9$t8e@nic-nac.CSU.net> References: <2tb73p$p8v@apollo.west.oic.com> <Cr7yqK.4zJ@dsinc!flash> In article <Cr7yqK.4zJ@dsinc!flash> tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu writes: >There's /usr/bin/pmem, which gets you this information: >It's not in the man pages, at least it doesn't seem to be. Neither is /usr/etc/vmoprint, and it's fun too. :-) -=EPS=-
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why does NS require so much Memory? Date: 10 Jun 1994 22:53:48 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2taqts$8pt@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <0hwYV0C00iUyM2E=s0@andrew.cmu.edu> <1994Jun7.145753.16029@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <2t2e2f$h5o@news.acns.nwu.edu> <2t8sq3$kob@nic-nac.CSU.net> In article <2t8sq3$kob@nic-nac.CSU.net>, Eric P. Scott <eps@cs.sfsu.edu> wrote: >In article <2t2e2f$h5o@news.acns.nwu.edu> j-weiss@nwu.edu > (Jerry Weiss) writes: >> Perhaps the file system could be used to delete blocks around the >>allocated blocks. I think it can allocate files with holes, but I've >>not read up enough to know if the reverse where true. > >This is the right answer (for pages above lowat), and it's not >exactly a new idea--TOPS-20 could do this eons ago (gosh, I sound >like Crispin now). And it's what I've been telling Avie for >several years. > Tops-20? Could have sworn it was in Tenex first..... -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de (Holger Hoffstaette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [intel] setting buffers _permanently_ ? Keywords: buffers, bootblock settings Message-ID: <8095@darmstadt.gmd.de> Date: 11 Jun 94 14:41:34 GMT Sender: hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de Organization: German National Research Centre for Information Technology Dear Gurus! In order to increase the hard disk performance on my Intel box, I set the number of buffers at boot time. The fine FAQ told me to use boot: mach_kernel nbuf=<num>. So far, so good. When the kernel comes up, it says 'Allocating <num> buffers, using 0.63 MB'. Unfortunately, it seems to use the same amount of memory every time, no matter if I specify a different <num> or not. Interestingly enough, performance _does_ increase significantly when I set more buffers. So, what's going on here ? Is the kernel really using more memory, and simply lies to me during the boot process ? Or is it just my imagination ? Also, is there any way to put the nbuf=<num> information into the bootblock permanently ? I only have one hard drive, and therefore can't write a new bootblock while the disk is in use. I'd like to be enlightened..even if it envolves using a hex editor.. :-) Thanks for your time, Holger -- Holger Hoffstaette, GMD-IPSI/PaVE (hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de) Smalltalker, NeXTstepper, Amiga veteran, Net citizen. "I'm gonna get myself connected.." - Stereo MC's
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: david@snoopy (David Vazquez) Subject: Latest version of gcc. Message-ID: <1994Jun21.044335.3078@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 04:43:35 GMT What is the latest version of gcc that has been compiled for NeXTStep? How compatable is it with gcc 2.2.2? What C++ & Objective-C features does it support over 2.2.2? -David Vazquez "david@smobject.com"
From: wjs@yucca.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 12 Jun 1994 03:31:49 -0700 Organization: Omni Development, Inc. Message-ID: <2teo6l$elm@yucca.omnigroup.com> References: <Cr58s4.u5M@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <1994Jun10.184556.2631@dgbt.doc.ca> daniel@dgbt.doc.ca (Daniel Lauzon) writes: >The text works fine and keeps it's color and typesetting but where the image used to be >I get some kind of a ">" greater than sign ! Argh, that is a bug. Greg (our resident boy-genius) (as opposed to the rest of us grown-ups) implemented a custom cell to draw images, and if you don't override Text's copy and paste you just get a little garbage character where your custom cells are. Greg's a little busy right now, so I don't know if this bug will be fixed for 0.7 or not. Right now we're just hoping to have forms working for Expo; bug fixes will wait until 0.8. BTW, in general, just because a bug didn't get fixed or a feature didn't get changed in a release doesn't mean it's permanent. For example the UI is going to change significantly. In fact, I've already changed it in a way I think a lot of people will hate at first. Well, we'll see. See you all at Expo, where you'll see (informally) the new OmniWeb. -Wil Shipley Omni Development, Inc. PS: No, we don't have a booth, since we've got all the work we can handle, but we're going to go and schmooze around anyway. Also, we have a pool at our hotel and you're all invited to come swim with The Omni Group! (That'd make you an Omni Grouper... d'oh!)
From: zet@cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Juergen Zeller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: [Summary] Tools for real software engineering Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 07:01:32 GMT Organization: EE Students Computer Pool, University of Erlangen, Germany Message-ID: <2u638cEjk2@uni-erlangen.de> Hello, last week I asked some questions about tools for OO-programming. Here are the answers: Q: Are there any NeXTSTEP CASE-tools for formal OO-design methods? A: From Dirk P. Fromhein: > Sorry, I can't help you with the CASE tools... we just don't > use them (and have found with NeXTSTEP we don't need them). Statements like this were the most frequent answers! Q: Are there any Diagram! palettes for the Booch object oriented design method? A: From Chris Cleeland: > I have one of these that I hacked together. I submitted it > to Lighthouse, so you can ask them. Q: Do you know a good version management tool? A: From Alex Blackmore: > DevMan is the best solution to date, effective GUI needs a little > improvement but basics are quit good. Q: Project Builder is a great tool for NeXTSTEP projects, but IMHO it fails for non GUI-centered code. A: I didn't know the "Tools-Project" of IB! (Hint from Art Isbell and Alexander Spohr) Q: A database is needed in nearly every application. Which solution would you recommend for a client/server environment? A: QuickBase got a very good judgement by Dirk Fromhein. Q: Developing software for non-technical users need knowledge about their special needs and preferences. Their interactive usage of a system can not always be tested in advance, so an automatic user analysis tool should monitor all important transactions with the system. Does any tool exist for the NeXTSTEP-GUI? A: None! Thanks to: Dirk P. Fromhein (jaeger@watershed.com) Chris Cleeland (cleelacj%taft.UUCP@goofus.wustl.edu) Art Isbell (art@cubisol.com) Alexander Spohr (Alexander_Spohr@dart.de) Alex Blackmore (alex@saturn.genoa.com) Bye, Juergen zet@cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: eike@ilink.de (Eike Dierks) Subject: WindowServer on a headless machine Message-ID: <CrpvKo.30J@ilink.de> Keywords: WindowServer, headless, postscript, ps, render Sender: usenet@ilink.de Organization: i.link Kommunikationssysteme GmbH, Berlin Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 22:24:23 GMT In article <1994Jun7.055851.5422@millennium.com> Jayson Adams writes: > Besides, who said anything about the window server. Most of the machines > around here run headless. So there comes an interesting question: How do you start up a WindowServer on a headless machine ? If you want to run a machine headless you've to configure /etc/ttys and comment out 'console "/usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow...'. However this also inhibits WindowServer from starting up. If you start up /usr/lib/NextStep/WindowServer manually you'll get "panic: (Cpu 0) illegal instruction" (This is also the reason why you had to uncomment the line from /etc/ttys) Any hints ?
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 12 Jun 1994 18:57:26 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tflqm$6h8@news.iastate.edu> References: <2t60qn$v1v@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Eugene Mah writes []In article <2t5oti$me5@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. []Drosehn) writes: []> dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) writes: []> > I've been unable to *ever* get [OmniWeb] to load up the images. []> > Even if I click on them they won't load. I'm wondering if it is []> > because I'm at 3.0, and maybe 3.1 or 3.2 is required for OmniWeb []> > to work correctly... []> []> This might be true. All the systems I've run OmniWeb on are []> running NS-3.2. Perhaps you have to "thin" the modules (such []> as the object code file in the OmniImageFilter.service folder) []> for them to work under NS-3.0. I have some vague memory of []> some problem in NS-3.0 when processing certain kinds of "fat" []> object files. That's not much help, I realize, but maybe []> someone else could look into it some more. []> [] []hmmm []I'm running OmniWeb on my 3.0 slabs, and it seems to work fine. []No problems at all with inline images. []I've got ImageViewer, and the OmniImage []stuff (service and app) under LocalApps/LocalLibrary. This is one of the things about OmniWeb/ImageFilter that really puzzles me. I run it on a 3.0 slab as well, and I *can* view inline images, but ImageFilter does a "half launch". That is, a highlighted Icon appears the first time I access an in-line, and it hangs around forever (unless I go tothe process manager and kill it). I've heard of a couple other people having similar behavior (with exactly the same set-up) while some, liek the above, see no images at all, and others, like Eugene, say it works perfectly. All with supposedly the "exact same" set-up. Who knows? I'm guessing this has something to do with how services are handled under 3.0.... but it's only a guess. Tom -- =========================================================================== Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Applied Mathematical Sciences 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@ameslab.gov
From: tlm@ameslab.gov (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions on OmniWeb Date: 12 Jun 1994 19:01:28 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Distribution: world Message-ID: <2tfm28$6kb@news.iastate.edu> References: <Cr5rHp.36u@news.cis.umn.edu> jimbo@oingo.umn.edu writes []In article <Cr58s4.u5M@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) []writes: []> Doug Siebert writes []> > I've been unable to *ever* get it to load up the images. Even if I click []on []> > them they won't load. I'm wondering if it is because I'm at 3.0, and []maybe []> > 3.1 or 3.2 is required for OmniWeb to work correctly... []> []> That shouldn't be it. I'm running 3.0 and it works fine. I wish I had []> something to tell you, I just stuck OmniImageFilter.service in []> ~/Library/Services and it works! []> []> Good luck - Jon [] []Yeah, you have to have it in your own Services folder! To follow my other post, the behavior seems to be quite erratic. I have NS 3.0 on a slab, and I have OmniImageFilter.service in ~/Library/Services. When I come across an in-line image OmniImageFilter.service "half launches" by giving me a highlighted Icon that does not go away even when I quit OmniWeb. Oh well.... at least I can view images :) Tom -- =========================================================================== Dr. Thomas L. Marchioro II Two-wheeled theoretical physicist Applied Mathematical Sciences 515-294-5543 Ames Laboratory 515-233-1216 (home) Ames, Iowa 50011 tlm@ameslab.gov
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Lost ability to login Date: 12 Jun 1994 10:51:44 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9406121548.AA02823@cantina.lanl.gov> Something very funny happened yesterday, which I've never seen before. I was checking a few things in a piece of beta software, and then went out to work on the lawn and garden. After a long time away from the console, but still logged in all that time, on returning I could not re-open TipTop (double-click it to make it key). In fact, I was probably unable to do anything (but I'm not sure of that from today's perspective. Anyway, I logged out, to log in again, figuring that would cure things. But now I was UNABLE to log back in -- the login window would accept my password, the screen would go blank (with its usual slight change of color), and then the login window would re-appear. I WAS able to log in as root, however, and other users could log in. It was not obvious that I (user silbar) had lost some important "dot" file; I could see nothing wrong with things in my home folder and derivatives. I was able to get back to operating by restoring /Users/silbar from the DAT backup tape made that morning. I admit that was a rather heavy-handed way of dealing with this problem, but it wasn't clear what else I could do that was quick and there wasn't any new work that I'd be losing by doing so. OK, two questions: 1. Does anyone know what might have happened? (Even though there was a beta-test application loaded, it is unclear there is any connection with that.) 2. What would have been the "lighter" way of getting back to being able to log in? Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: serial port driver redux Date: 12 Jun 1994 10:52:33 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9406121548.AA02831@cantina.lanl.gov> From time to time there are complaints in CSN.* about the NeXT serial port drivers. As I recall, people complain they don't work very well above 9600 baud. Well, I can top that with the following. For some time now I've been having troubles transferring binary files from a remote NeXT (black, running 3.0) to this NS/I machine (3.2) over a phone line connection. The modems at this end is a ZyXel 1496E. I was doing this by using TipTop and calling into an 8-bit connection gateway at 9600 baud, from which I could telnet to the black NeXT. From there, I could get the binary file transfer going by typing "sz mybinary.tar.gz" at the remote command line prompt. TipTop picks up the signal, pops up its zmodem window, and starts receiving. This works, but with a lot of stuttering. Oodles of CRC errors, "garbage count exceeded", and other transmission errors. After a bit, things seem to settle down into a more or less steady cycle of: transmit about 4500 bytes successfully (the number of bytes varies and is dependent on the amount of memory I have in the machine), error, wait for about five seconds, start transmitting again. Annoying, but it works. Transferring a 320000 byte file this way costs at least 15 minutes, sometimes as much as 20. Obviously, most of that time was spent in recovering from errors, not in transmisssion. OK, as an experiment the other night I tried the obviously silly experiment of setting the connection back to 4800 baud. (Who ever heard of 9600 baud?) Imagine my surprise when the same 320000 byte binary file now transferred across with nary an error and in 11:20 minutes! The tortoise beats the hare in this case. I will not claim that I have everything set up in the most efficient way -- it mostly is just as it "comes out of the box". So, I guess a valid question is: Is it really the serial drivers and are they really that bad? Tech info: the 3.2 serial port drivers appear to be the latest ones (same as what was circulated on NextAnswers@next.com last November to replace the 3.1 drivers). NextAnswers seems to have nothing newer than that, the last mention of serial drivers being in January of this year. Dick Silbar WhistleSoft, Inc.
From: croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Novell Netware support on HP/PA? Date: 21 Jun 1994 19:25:10 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <2u7eqm$q0l@cs.ubc.ca> I need to know if the final release of NEXTSTEP HP/PA will support a Novell Netware client. How about Novell's Personal Netware peer-to-peer? Anybody know? Thanks, -- Chris Roehrig (croehrig@celegans.psych.ubc.ca) Invertebrate Learning Group, University of British Columbia, Canada
From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Edit.app trouble Date: 20 Jun 1994 08:05:34 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2u3ike$ntf@agate.berkeley.edu> Originator: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu For some unknown reason, I suddenly can no longer get that ASCII look back in my edit.app documents. Everything is in rtf. If I toggle the the menu [format->text->make ASCII/rtf] item, the text stays in the rtf and only the title bar changes from 'untitled' (ASCII) to 'untitled.rtf' (rtf). I have fiddled with preferences to no avail. Anyone know what's happening here? John NeXTmail to john@romdas.hip.berkeley.edu otherwise, romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu
From: damonc@hookup.net (Damon F. Cooper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: STANDALONE TRANSSYS SLIP POSSIBLE? Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 20:00:34 GMT Organization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Oakville, Ontario, CANADA Message-ID: <damonc.18.2DFB6962@hookup.net> Is there ANYONE out there that is running a STANDALONE NS box that is successfully running TransSys PNI SLIP?? I posed a similar question last week, and I got 31 (THIRTY ONE!!)responses from people looking for help as well... Can anyone help? (Please!) Given a "fresh", standalone machine, install NEXTSTEP 3.2 on it, what are the steps to follow? Anybody have this working that could post/upload the config files/etc? THANK-YOU VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE!! Damon Cooper damonc@hookup.net
From: jinyang@cs.utexas.edu (Jin Yang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Semaphore for NextStep Followup-To: poster Date: 21 Jun 1994 15:02:23 -0500 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <2u7h0f$7hb@tofu.cs.utexas.edu> I would like to know whether there is something on NextStep that implements (or simulates) Semophore? Please send your response to jinyang@cs.utexas.edu or jy@bassoon.ho.att.com Thanks in advance. - Jin Yang
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Peter Twarecki <B7NS000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> Subject: Re: "unexpected kernel page fault failure" problem Message-ID: <20JUN94.06670708.0059@VM1.MCGILL.CA> Sender: usenet@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA Organization: McGill University References: <19JUN94.10237669.0061@VM1.MCGILL.CA> <940619161727.6268AACUF.malc@jeeves> <19JUN94.15257658.0069@VM1.MCGILL.CA> <940619204716.6268AACUM.malc@jeeves> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 11:10:35 GMT In article <940619204716.6268AACUM.malc@jeeves> "mmalcolm Crawford" <malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk> writes: >> I also thought of a bad SIMM, but I'm not sure how much the panic >> message that I got has to do with bad memory... >> >I wondered about that too. Any suggestions as to how to go about checking for >this (short of the obvious very long and exhausting, I mean exhaustive, >method?) I have no clue... the only thing I could think of was ripping all the simms out and stuffing them in my friends Atari machine for which I can get a very extensive marching memory test algorithm (which uses various bit patterns). I don't know how to do this on the NeXT, and I'm sure that the startup memory test is not very extensive. >Have fun, > >mmalcolm. Peter. Peter Twarecki <b7ns@MUSICB.McGill.CA>
From: mengpao@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (mengpao cheng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [Question]:Ways to try MusicBuilder??? Date: 20 Jun 1994 10:26:58 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Message-ID: <2u3qti$h4h@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> References: <2u3ike$ntf@agate.berkeley.edu> Hello, I seemsly saw someone post a "long" paragraph about how to try MusicBuilder. Can you post it again??? I just downloaded this demo version software and want to know how does it work.... Thanks Rueiwun Tu
From: dagole@altus.altus.no (Dag Ole Storrosten) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Looking for BSD Unix for NextStation Date: 22 Jun 1994 09:35:29 GMT Organization: UniNett Message-ID: <2u90l1$30e@ratatosk.uninett.no> References: <2u5e8k$k4e@ugle.unit.no> In article <2u5e8k$k4e@ugle.unit.no> rune@uranus.ifi.unit.no (Rune Sandnes) writes: - there are no > dealers for Next here, and this is as far as we know the only Next box in > town.) This is absolutely untrue. There are quite a few NeXT users around town, and there are at least two companies involved in NEXTSTEP development situated less than 5 minutes from your doorstep at the university...... -- Dag Ole Storrosten email:dagole@altus.no Altus Interactive as phone: +47-2295 8329 Gaustadalleen 21 fax: +47-2295 8896/+47-2260 4427 N-0371 Oslo Express fax: +47-2295 8318 Norway
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: leif@pattern.rmnug.org (Leif Smith) Subject: Ad from Ingram Micro in VarBusiness Message-ID: <1994Jun22.024556.260@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: leif@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Pattern Research, Denver, Colorado Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 02:45:56 GMT Full page ad for NEXTSTEP Developer, from Ingram Micro, pg. 9, 15 June 94, issue of VarBusiness magazine. -- Leif Smith, Denver leif@pattern.rmnug.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Lost ability to login Message-ID: <1994Jun12.213639.3439@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <9406121548.AA02823@cantina.lanl.gov> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 21:36:39 GMT In article <9406121548.AA02823@cantina.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > Anyway, I logged out, to log in again, figuring that would cure things. But > now I was UNABLE to log back in -- the login window would accept my password, > the screen would go blank (with its usual slight change of color), and then the > login window would re-appear. > > I WAS able to log in as root, however, and other users could log in. It was > not obvious that I (user silbar) had lost some important "dot" file; I could > see nothing wrong with things in my home folder and derivatives. I was able to > get back to operating by restoring /Users/silbar from the DAT backup tape made > that morning. > OK, two questions: > > 1. Does anyone know what might have happened? (Even though there was a > beta-test application loaded, it is unclear there is any connection with that.) > > 2. What would have been the "lighter" way of getting back to being able to log > in? It is usually a damaged file in ~/.NeXT, probably the default database. You can always restore that from the backup (or from /usr/template/user). Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 9 Stable Lane, Seer Green, Fax: (0494)680228 Bucks, HP9 2YT, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@merlin (Thomas Wolf) Subject: Would like focus-follows-mouse? Message-ID: <Crs1yH.6r5@nntpa.cb.att.com> Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 02:37:29 GMT Question from a NeXTSTEP neophite (and possibly a heresy :-) - is there a way to change NeXTSTEP's "click-to-focus" to "focus-follows-mouse"? I didn't see any way of doing this from the Preferences. I know that the latter focus method "violates" some NeXTSTEP UI commandments - but, hey, I can't get used to this inefficient way of flipping from window to window - and I've gotten too used to it in my many years of X11. Any pointers would be much appreciated - and sorry if this question's been asked before. I just joined this newsgroup - the FAQ didn't seem to have any info on this. Thnx, Tom -- +------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Wolf | (908) 957-3955 |...Still can't think of anything | Bell Labs, NJ | wolf@merlin.mt.att.com | original to put in my sig... | MT 4D-213 | wolf@jolt.mt.att.com |...So this valuable real-estate +------------------------------------------+ is for sale... Disclaimer: These are my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer.
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Would like focus-follows-mouse? Date: 22 Jun 1994 05:18:07 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2u8hif$e08@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <Crs1yH.6r5@nntpa.cb.att.com> In article <Crs1yH.6r5@nntpa.cb.att.com>, Thomas Wolf <wolf@merlin.mt.att.com> wrote: >Question from a NeXTSTEP neophite (and possibly a heresy :-) - is >there a way to change NeXTSTEP's "click-to-focus" to "focus-follows-mouse"? >I didn't see any way of doing this from the Preferences. I know that >the latter focus method "violates" some NeXTSTEP UI commandments - but, hey, >I can't get used to this inefficient way of flipping from window to >window - and I've gotten too used to it in my many years of X11. > We'll let you off with a warning this time. Any further evidence of heresy or insubordination will result in your being burned at the stake while being forced to use Windoze 3.1 on a 386-16 with an upside down mouse and a chiclet keyboard. You'll be dead, but you will appreciate NS ;-) No way I know of. Some 'quick and dirty' ports of X11 products sometimes behave like this. You won't find the infinite perversity that X11 allows on NS. Its a tough religion, but quite beneficial and rewarding to those who embrace it totally. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: work@dannug.dk (Michael Hallin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: fbshow in NS3.2(Black) Date: 22 Jun 1994 07:59:54 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Message-ID: <2u8r1q$7o@machthenext.dannug.dk> Keywords: fbshow, bootmessages, rc.local Hi, Has anyone actually found a way to get NS3.2 to display the messages in rc.local using fbshow??? It worked nicely in NS3.1, but not anymore. Sigh. I hate it when they change things like this. Also, I really liked to old panel better... Thanks best regards Michael --- _____________________________________________ Michael Hallin Copenhagen, Denmark NeXTMail: work@dannug.dk Voice: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 Fax: Int + 45 43 53 34 33 _____________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@merlin (Thomas Wolf) Subject: Re: Would like focus-follows-mouse? Message-ID: <Crst80.9rI@nntpa.cb.att.com> Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories References: <Crs1yH.6r5@nntpa.cb.att.com> <2u8hif$e08@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 12:26:24 GMT Jerry Weiss (jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: : In article <Crs1yH.6r5@nntpa.cb.att.com>, : Thomas Wolf <wolf@merlin.mt.att.com> wrote: : >Question from a NeXTSTEP neophite (and possibly a heresy :-) - is : >there a way to change NeXTSTEP's "click-to-focus" to "focus-follows-mouse"? : >I didn't see any way of doing this from the Preferences. I know that : >the latter focus method "violates" some NeXTSTEP UI commandments - but, hey, : >I can't get used to this inefficient way of flipping from window to : >window - and I've gotten too used to it in my many years of X11. : > ... : No way I know of. Some 'quick and dirty' ports of X11 products sometimes : behave like this. You won't find the infinite perversity that X11 allows : on NS. Its a tough religion, but quite beneficial and rewarding to those : who embrace it Arrg...I _like_ my X11 "perversity" :-) Seriously, though, I can't believe that no one has hacked/modified NeXTStep to provide this ability. I mean, isn't having to click in a window to be able type there more of a perversity than anything X11 apps do? (I know, I know, I should know better than to insult NS in a NS group :-) Tom -- +------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Wolf | (908) 957-3955 |...Still can't think of anything | Bell Labs, NJ | wolf@merlin.mt.att.com | original to put in my sig... | MT 4D-213 | wolf@jolt.mt.att.com |...So this valuable real-estate +------------------------------------------+ is for sale... Disclaimer: These are my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer.
From: rune@uranus.ifi.unit.no (Rune Sandnes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Looking for BSD Unix for NextStation Date: 22 Jun 1994 13:01:51 GMT Organization: Nettverksgruppa - UNIT Message-ID: <2u9cnv$h1j@ugle.unit.no> References: <2u5e8k$k4e@ugle.unit.no> <2u90l1$30e@ratatosk.uninett.no> In article <2u90l1$30e@ratatosk.uninett.no>, Dag Ole Storrosten <dagole@altus.altus.no> wrote: >> no dealers for Next here, and this is as far as we know the only Next box >> in town.) >This is absolutely untrue. There are quite a few NeXT users around town, >and there are at least two companies involved in NEXTSTEP development >situated less than 5 minutes from your doorstep at the university...... >-- >Dag Ole Storrosten email:dagole@altus.no >Altus Interactive as phone: +47-2295 8329 >Gaustadalleen 21 fax: +47-2295 8896/+47-2260 4427 >N-0371 Oslo Express fax: +47-2295 8318 UNIT - The University of Trondheim is actually in Trondheim, not Oslo. So it's not exactly a 5 minute walk... Hmm... Approx. 500 kilometers from Trondheim to Oslo, I use 4-5 minutes on 1 kilometer, that will amount to... :-) (sorry, just HAD to do it...) There are environments that use NeXTstep in Oslo and Bergen, but nothing that I know of in Trondheim (the third largest city of Norway.) Rune
From: magnkj@palladium.zinc.com (Kristopher Magnusson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: If you run into Don Yacktman at Expo. . . . Date: 22 Jun 1994 14:36:11 GMT Organization: Zinc Software Incorporated Message-ID: <2u9i8r$pej@chromium.zinc.com> . . have him call Kris Magnusson at Zinc. +1 801 785 8900. Thanks! -- Kristopher Magnusson Zinc Software Incorporated kmagnusson@zinc.com Technical publications ----------------------------------------------------------------- I don't speak for Zinc and I get to keep my job.
From: nweaver@boojum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Nicholas C. Weaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Would like focus-follows-mouse? Date: 22 Jun 1994 14:51:18 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2u9j56$5at@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <Crs1yH.6r5@nntpa.cb.att.com> <2u8hif$e08@news.acns.nwu.edu> <Crst80.9rI@nntpa.cb.att.com> People (I believe) have hacked it to work, at least in specific applications. Stuart has that option. Only problem is, it drags the window to the front while making it key. UGH. (I'll stick with the old way. But IS there a KEYBOARD command to make the front window the key window? Such a keystroke would be much appreciated!) -- Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@orodruin.cs.berkeley.edu I'm DUI on the Information Superhighway Squeamish Ossifrage (I just had to see if it would do something)
From: "mmalcolm Crawford" <malc@dcs.shef.ac.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Would like focus-follows-mouse? Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 19:19:35 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Sheffield Message-ID: <940622201935.8874AACUT.malc@white> References: <Crs1yH.6r5@nntpa.cb.att.com> <2u8hif$e08@news.acns.nwu.edu> <Crst80.9rI@nntpa.cb.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Arrg...I _like_ my X11 "perversity" :-) Seriously, though, I can't believe > that no one has hacked/modified NeXTStep to provide this ability. I mean, > isn't having to click in a window to be able type there more of a perversity > than anything X11 apps do? (I know, I know, I should know better than > to insult NS in a NS group :-) > :-) The one concession that was made was, perhaps unsurprisingly, to developers. If you look at Terminal there's a Steal-keys option for individual windows, which gives you point-to-type. 'part from that, heresy! :-) Have fun, mmalcolm.
From: ccx009@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing Problems on NS 3.1 Followup-To: poster Date: 21 Jun 1994 18:41:30 +0100 Organization: Coventry University Message-ID: <2u78oa$bqn@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> Hi, can anyone out there give me some idea as to why I can't set up a shared printer on my network? I have hooked up my Next 400 DPI Laser printer to one of the machines in my cluster and want to configure it. Can someone give me a step by step guide on how to. 1. Set it up as a local printer 2. Export it to the rest of my NeXT's When print manager is invoked I can't set up 'Local_Printer' as a Next 400 DPI laser as it is 'greyed-out' and inaccessible. Hence if I can't do this, I can't export it to the rest of my machines. I have no printed docs for any of this stuff and some pretty out of date Librarian stuff and as I don't really use the machines much I'm not sure where to look for stuff. Any help appreciated. -- _ /-\dam ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FLESH: Adam Bentley (Fraggle), Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK INET : A.Bentley@hermes.coventry.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: tfletche@uglz.UVic.CA (Thomas Fletcher) Subject: How to access Floppy Drive Message-ID: <1994Jun22.203438.1039@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Date: Wed, 22 Jun 94 20:34:38 GMT Hello all, I am having difficulty accessing the floppy drive of our NeXT machine using the "dd" command. I have tried various devices to no avail. Can anyone help me out with this? I want to put the Linux files on disk and to do that I need to write to the blocks of the fd itself. The command that I want to execute is: dd if=SOMEFILE of=/dev/FLOPPY_DEVICE obs=18k We are running NeXT mach kernel 3.0 ... Thanks in Advance, Thomas ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thomas Fletcher Library Systems Office Co-op Student (Engineering) McPherson Library Rm. 318 (Study Carrel) Office (604) 721-8263 tfletche@malahat.library.uvic.ca tfletche@engr.uvic.ca Supervisor: Simon Churchill Library Systems Consultant McPherson Library 4th floor Administration Office: (604)721-7623 FAX: (604) 721-8215 schurchi@sol.uvic.ca
From: chris@clubside.digex.net (Chris Rowley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anonymous ftp Date: 22 Jun 1994 18:53:17 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Message-ID: <2ua1at$2qu@news1.digex.net> Hello, I want to do the supposedly simple task of creating an anonymous ftp site on my machine. However, this is poorly to non-documented anywhere in the docs. The closest I could find was NFSManager.app and created a shared area (I want to share '/pub') with default unknown logins as 'nobody'. However, after following all the steps, I try to ftp myself to try it out and it doesn't like 'anonymous' and if I try 'nobody' it wants a password. I checked 'man ftpd' and it talks about creating a user called 'ftp' and setting protections and owners on ftp/bin, ftp/etc and a lot of other shenanigans. I just want it to stick a user in /pub when they ftp me, and not let them go up to the root. Also, I'd like to make those nifty text messages that pop-up at login and directory changing. Is there a unix FAQ or something that makes this process a little easier to comprehend? Fo I have to create this "ftp" user, and if so, do I make an "anonymous" alias or something? Thanks! Chris
From: mk147@muddnext27.cc.columbia.edu (Minsoo Kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Viewing JPG Date: 22 Jun 1994 22:28:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <2uaduq$8l5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> I seem to have a problem viewing JPG files on my Next terminal. When I run ImageViewer, nothing happens; there is no error message. Any suggestions would be welcome.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: optimum@netcom.com (Optimum Executive Search) Subject: OF INTEREST TO SOFTWARE PEOPLE OF ALL KINDS Message-ID: <optimumCrtoIv.C9G@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 23:42:31 GMT The new OPTIMIST mailing list is designed to help those looking for a position in any tier of the software industry. We are continually getting new orders for positions with up-and-coming software firms in every part of the United States, from California to New Jersey and all points between! These positions require experienced professionals in the following areas: * Object Oriented Technology * Databases * Marketing * Networking * Multimedia * Games * Technical Writing * Workstations * many more! Whatever languages, platforms, operating systems, etc. you may be expert in, we may well have a position for you. The OPTIMIST mailing list will give you a quick, current source for new positions as they occur, usually within hours of a position becoming available or being created. Messages will be delivered to your mailbox in a concise, easy-to-understand format, which will make the nature and location of the position clear in the message title. Our clients are some of the best leading-edge technology firms in the USA, and they may already have a position waiting for which you are qualified. To start receiving the OPTIMIST mailing list, simply send e-mail to listserv@netcom.com with the body consisting of the line: subscribe optimist-l Thanks for your time and bandwidth. -- ================================================================= OPTIMUM EXECUTIVE SEARCH Fax: (415) 703-9191 E-mail: Optimum@netcom.com Send e-mail reading subscribe optimist-l to listserv@netcom.com to receive our jobs mailing list!
From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OF INTEREST TO SOFTWARE PEOPLE OF ALL KINDS Date: 23 Jun 1994 02:29:12 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA Message-ID: <2uas1o$6nh@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <optimumCrtoIv.C9G@netcom.com> In article <optimumCrtoIv.C9G@netcom.com>, Optimum Executive Search <optimum@netcom.com> wrote: >The new OPTIMIST mailing list is designed to help those looking for a >position in any tier of the software industry. We are continually getting >new orders for positions with up-and-coming software firms in every part >of the United States, from California to New Jersey and all points between! >These positions require experienced professionals in the following areas: > Whatever you do, don't let Mark Crispin subscribe to your list. His Pessimistic Field will invade your net.address. Your business will go brankrupt, your children will disown you, your wife will die, you will be charged with..... well you get the idea ;-) -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hwang@nextvm5.corp.mot.com (Hao Wang) Subject: Can't find bsd/dev/busvar.h Organization: MOTOROLA Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 17:48:56 GMT Message-ID: <1994Jun22.174856.16903@schbbs.mot.com> Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (Net News) Hi there, I have a M68k black box NeXT workstation with version 3.2 operating system. Recently, I try to compile one of the application and get the following error message. /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/dev/m68k/busvar.h:20: header file 'bsd/dev/busvar.h' not found *** Exit 1 Stop. I looked at /NextDeveloper/Headers/bsd/dev/m68k/busvar.h file. The line 20 says #import <bsd/dev/busvar.h> But there is no busvar.h under bsd/dev directory. My question is what's the difference between bsd/dev/busvar.h and bsd/dev/m68k/busvar.h? Can I make a symbolic link between this two files? Thanks for all your help. Please email me at hwang@nextvm5.corp.mot.com Thanks, Hao
From: wln@news.cs.columbia.edu (William Lee Nussbaum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PS printer errors with NXImages? Anyone else experience this?... Date: 23 Jun 1994 01:37:39 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Message-ID: <2ub733$da4@pizza.cs.columbia.edu> I have, consistently, for several months, been getting the following type of error when printing most (not all) documents with NeXTSTEP-generated bitmaps to an HP LaserJet 4: ERROR: rangecheck OFFENDING COMMAND: get STACK: -1022 ( !!"#$%&()*+,,--../0011223344566778899:;;;<<==>>??@@AABBCCDDEFFGGHHIIJJ ) (where the line with the serial text continues off the side of the page..., and the number is usually approximately -1K, + or - (usu -) 0 to 2) The NeXT is connecting to the printer via an ethernet JetDirect card, through a pty-to-tcp... Incoming faxes print properly (have received up to 20p in some). Bitmaps in jobs generated on other platforms (Sun Frame, etc.) print properly. Long, 80+ page documents print properly. Bitmaps that use the appkit to produce their PostScript will usually die partway through printing (some of the image will usually print), taking the rest of the job with them... The above consistent success and failures lead me to believe that the problem is specifically in the NXImage class: problems in anything relating to the printer connection would affect other types of jobs. These jobs render on screen; the same files that crash the printer preview happily in Preview.app... If someone can test on something besides a LaserJet 4 or a NeXTprinter (I seem to recall the NeXTprinter being happy with these jobs, though that was a couple months ago) your help would be appreciated... Does anyone have any clue what NeXT is doing here that's not kosher, is tolerated by NeXT's Adobe Level 2 PS server, but upsets HP's Adobe Level 2 PS priners? And any idea what one might do about it? (besides getting NeXT aware of it...) Thanks, hope someone can help.. - Lee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kenw@tfs.com (Ken Worthy) Subject: NeXT CD-ROM compatibility? Message-ID: <CrttF0.L40@tfs.com> Organization: TRW Financial Systems Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 01:28:11 GMT What file system format is NeXT using for the cd-roms it publishes? I put the NEXTTIME cd-rom into a Sun workstation and it didn't recognize it. It recognized another cd-rom that I put in, though. Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jason@jlc.mv.com (Jason T. Nelson) Subject: dialup on Intel NeXT Message-ID: <Crro9s.E5B@jlc.mv.com> Organization: John Leslie Consulting Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 21:41:51 GMT I've read the Librarian info on "Attaching Modems" so I could hook up a modem (ZyXEL 1496E+) to my white NeXT box on cufb. I followed all the instructions in the documentation, but when I connect, I get this: CONNECT 16800/ARQ/V42b NeXT Mach (handel) (ttydfa) handel login: jason Password: And then the connection just sits there. The only process that looks remotely interesting during this process is root 17687 0.2 1.1 1.61M 352K ? S 0:00 login -p jason Could somebody tell me what I might be doing wrong? -Jason T. Nelson -John Leslie Consulting -jason@jlc.mv.com (NeXT mail ok!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbrad@ucdmath.ucdavis.edu (David Bradford) Subject: NuBus Programming Message-ID: <CsHMyr.G3K@ucdavis.edu> Summary: Need Tech Specs / Examples for programming the Nubus Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Guru) Organization: UCD Department of Mathematics, Davis CA Distribution: world Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 22:11:14 GMT I would like to write a driver for the NuBus for a Cube. How is this done?? Are the ROM commands for this documented? Any help appreciated. David Bradford
From: aies6@rosie.uh.edu (Luong, Jessica) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP LaserJet 4Si Date: 5 Jul 1994 18:43 CDT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: world Message-ID: <5JUL199418432975@rosie.uh.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 anyone out there has a HP LaserJet 4Si MX connected to their next network? I am trying to connect one but it's not going smoothly. HELP!!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: netcom as a provider Message-ID: <1994Jul5.213730.4259@planon.qc.ca> Sender: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) References: <1994Jul4.170106.10929@pcp.ca> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 21:37:30 GMT In article <1994Jul4.170106.10929@pcp.ca> Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) writes: > Group: > > I'm considering using NETCOM as an e-mail provider and would like to know > if anyone out there would like to share their experiences. I would like to > know the following: > > 1. How good is the tech support, i.e, how fast is the turnaround time if > there's a problem? > 2. Does the service provide domain name registration? Their brochure > claims so but has anyone out there succeeded with this? > 3. Does NETCOM support NeXTMail? This may be a naive question but I just > wanted to make sure. > > I currently use UUNET and am quite satisfied except for the high costs. > Netcom seems to provide the same service at a lower cost. > > Please e-mail me and I'll summarize if there's interest. > > Thanks, > > Alex > Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (until July 22nd) > alex@oolesson.com (always) If you are already connected via UUNET, you don't need a new domain name (if the job has been done with UUNET). You just need to submit an amendment to make your messages routed to your new mailer-relay. I strongly suggest you keep both netcom and uunet for few days. So, during the transfert process (that process takes few days) you will receive messages from both source. NeXTMail is just plain unix mail with uuencoded file inside. Uuencoded file are 7-bit and can go everywhere unix mail can go. If you worry about netcom, maybe should you worry for each intermediate node each time you send a NeXTMail message? So, don't worry. NeXTMail travels well. Maybe should you consider to use both? You can use netcom to get usenet and continue to use uunet to send/receive private e-mail. Uunet has the reputation to be more reliable than the local Internet providers and they have more phone lines. Local providers could often offer you better prices (flat price) which is ideal when you use UUCP to get your news. I don't know netcom. So I don't juge them. I just comment UUNET -vs- local providers. Yanik -- Yanik Crepeau OUI a soc.culture.quebec Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmeacham@ants.ci.net (James D. Meacham 3rd) Subject: Where to find 'term'? Message-ID: <CsHtKH.Fq@ants.ci.net> Sender: jmeacham@ants.ci.net (James D. Meacham 3rd) Organization: Meacham, Zweig, and Cats Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 00:33:52 GMT I've been seeing a bit of discussions about 'term' recently. I was wondering where I could find this? I've scoured the archives, but haven't turned up anything. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Peace, James --- _____________________________________________________________________ James David Meacham, 3rd M.Div. Candidate Andover Newton Theological School e-mail:jmeacham@ants.ci.net 7 Flint Road Phone: 617-926-6024 Watertown, MA 02172 NeXTMAIL accepted Intern Minister 64-66 Marlborough Street First and Second Church in Boston Boston, MA 02116 (Unitarian Universalist) 617-267-6730 _____________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________ James David Meacham, 3rd M.Div. Candidate
From: elitman@proxima.com (Eric A. Litman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wiped Out NS Boot Manager Date: 5 Jul 1994 23:33:17 -0500 Organization: Proxima, Inc. Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9407060359.AA06711@proxima.com> In article <2vbpqv$kdg@spool.mu.edu> you wrote: > my 660 meg harddrive. I can still boot fine from the floppy with > "sd()mach_kernel". > Does anyone know what I can do to replace it? /usr/etc/disk -b /dev/sd0a -- Eric Litman Proxima, Inc. vox: (703) 506.1661 Director, Network Services McLean, VA elitman+@proxima.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Melissa O'Neill) Subject: Re: Where to find 'term'? Message-ID: <1994Jul6.063703.1736@cs.sfu.ca> Organization: Simon Fraser University References: <CsHtKH.Fq@ants.ci.net> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 06:37:03 GMT James D. Meacham 3rd <jmeacham@ants.ci.net> writes: > I've been seeing a bit of discussions about 'term' recently. I was > wondering where I could find this? I've scoured the archives, but > haven't turned up anything. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Well, if you want to look for your nearest site using archie, the files to look for are: term115.tar.gz (needs a little tweaking to compile, new SCO Unix port) or term114.tar.gz (compiles out of the box, does everything you need) Term's author is Michael O'Reilly <oreillym@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>, so I'd say the canonical site for term is: tartarus.uwa.edu.au:/pub/oreillym/term/term114.tar.gz ... you can also find it at: mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu:/pub/linux/apps/comm/term/term/term114.tar.gz or f.ms.uky.edu:/pub3/linux/apps/comm/term/term114.tar.gz ... and at Linux archive sites everywhere. Hope this helps, Melissa. --- I am Woman, hear me Roa... oh, sorry, was I interrupting... no no, it wasn't important... no, really; it's fine. // Melissa O'Neill <oneill@cs.sfu.ca>
From: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where to find 'term'? Date: 6 Jul 1994 10:42:41 GMT Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Message-ID: <2ve1r1$2c9@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <CsHtKH.Fq@ants.ci.net> <1994Jul6.063703.1736@cs.sfu.ca> Melissa O'Neill (oneill@cs.sfu.ca) wrote: : term115.tar.gz (needs a little tweaking to compile, new SCO Unix port) : or term114.tar.gz (compiles out of the box, does everything you need) : Term's author is Michael O'Reilly <oreillym@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>, so I'd : say the canonical site for term is: : tartarus.uwa.edu.au:/pub/oreillym/term/term114.tar.gz : ... you can also find it at: : mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu:/pub/linux/apps/comm/term/term/term114.tar.gz : or f.ms.uky.edu:/pub3/linux/apps/comm/term/term114.tar.gz : ... and at Linux archive sites everywhere. In the meantime there is term118.tar.gz. It again compiled 'out of the box' on my NS/i and NS/m 3.2 (in contrast to term115, as you mentioned ;-). Just have a look at one of the both last sites or any Linux Sunsite mirror. The README to term118 says that there are some perfomance gains against 114ff. Hope this helps, too. Gregor -- | Gregor Hoffleit admin MATHInet / contact HeidelNeXT | | MAIL: Mathematisches Institut PHONE: (49)6221 56-5771 | | INF 288, 69120 Heidelberg / Germany FAX: 56-3812 | | EMAIL: flight@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (NeXTmail) |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brouwer@minnie.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Klaus Brouwer) Subject: SUBMISSION: DefaultsSystem 1.1 Message-ID: <CsIMCH.4qC@news.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Sender: news@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Organization: Informatik, Uni Stuttgart, Germany Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 10:55:28 GMT (Excerpt of the README file) DefaultsSystem ============== Purpose ------- This is graphical administration tool for the NeXTstep defaults database realized on a Preferences module. It stresses the administration of owners: save selected owners for backup reasons in a .defaults file (the package contains a Workspace contents inspector for that format), reload those files while using a filter to insert only those owners in the database that satisfy certain conditions, test selected owners whether they have an application with corresponding name within the search path and remove the ones that don't with a single mouse click. Of course you can add/remove/inspect defaults of selected owners. You may also read .dset-files but without the ability to use the open filter. Changes To Version 1.0 ---------------------- - Find Panel: search a string in default names and/or values save all found items into a .defaults file the panel uses the find pasteboard - keyboard alternatives for several commands; they are enabled only while the DefaultsSystem module is selected - a selection in the Main Browser isn't scrolled out of view any more when the value view is displayed - all displayed panels which directly belong to the DefaultsSystem module are now hidden when anothor module is selected and redisplayed whether DefaultsSystem is chosen again - the fonts in the value view now correspond to the font settings in Preferences.app - bug fixes Summary ------- Version: 1.1 Application Type: Preferences module & Workspace contents inspector Supported Architectures: Motorola 68K, Intel 486 Supported Languages: English, German Supported File Types: .defaults, .dset (read only) System Requirements: 3.X (tested under 3.2) Available on ------------ ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de:/pub/comp/platforms/next/Tools/defaults cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/binaries/util License ------- This is Mailware. If you like it send any mail to: brouwer@minnie.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (no NeXTmail please!) The Author --------- Klaus Brouwer studies computer science at the University of Stuttgart since 1991. He is programming computers since 1985. e-mail: brouwer@minnie.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (no NeXTmail please!)
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: How to install MO drive... Followup-To: poster Date: 6 Jul 1994 11:55:26 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: <2ve63e$ma5@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Keywords: MO Drive, Installation Hi, I recently purchased a Magneto-Optical drive for my NeXT. I've got a cable that came with it which has something which looks like a small black weight near one end. Could someone tell me if this weight goes near the drive or near the system board, I don't want to install the cable wrong. Thanks for any input (I know this is probably a stupid question, but I'm paranoid!!) Thanks again, -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: opus@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David C. Jedlinsky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Adobe Fonts -> NeXT Fonts ? Date: 6 Jul 1994 14:22:10 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2veemi$l9k@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <MAGNAN.94Jul3141007@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA> In article <MAGNAN.94Jul3141007@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA> magnan@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA (Magnan Francois) writes: > > I discovered files like outline/Palatino and afm/Palatino.afm in my >/NextLibrary/Fonts folder. I would like to know if it is possible to convert >them to a Palatino.font file usable by NeXTSTEP (i am using 3.2 on black). >I realise that I would need some palatino.bepf file and some >Screen-Palatino.num.afm but I don't know how to make them. Is there a >conversion utility that could do this. Chances are, those "files" are simply links to the same files in Palatino.font. If you do not have Palatino.font, you are out of luck. If by some coincidence these are actually files (try looking at their contents), then create a directory in /NextLibrary/Fonts, called Palatino.font, and move Palatino and Palatino.afm into it. Then type 'buildafmdir /NextLibrary'. You don't need a .bepf or .num.afm file, as those are obsolete. -Dave Jedlinsky opus@mit.edu
From: sjentsch@paris.alpha.net (Scott Jentsch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted: Screen Capture of NeXT desktop Date: 6 Jul 1994 09:37:18 -0500 Organization: Alpha.Net Message-ID: <2vefiu$flg@paris.alpha.net> I have read a lot about NeXTStep for Intel, especially how clean the interface is. I have not found a local source for seeing it myself, so I was wondering if someone would be willing to send me a screen capture of their NeXT desktop. If you're running it in 24-bit color mode (which I heard is possible and very pretty!), I would appreciate it in JPEG format for space considerations. I am able to view JPG, GIF, BMP (both Windows and OS/2), TIF, and PCX's, so choose your favorite. I use PINE for a mailer, so you should be able to use MIME to file attach, or I can UUDECODE an image if necessary. Please send to sjentsch@paris.execpc.com. (This system is under testing right now, so it may be a little flaky, please be patient.) Thanks in advance, I look forward to seeing what a superior interface looks like. I use OS/2 now, and I can't imagine going back to Windows' Program Manager! Scott Jentsch sjentsch@paris.execpc.com sjentsch@carroll1.cc.edu (alternate address, but not capable of MIME)
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: WANTED: NeXT mouse (black) or part (switch). Date: 4 Jul 94 11:09:04 GMT Organization: IGD Darmstadt Message-ID: <neuss.773320144@budlight> References: <2uvibq$hg6@alf.uib.no> <2v3tg2$5o8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: >edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes: >>My original NeXT mouse just died (and I noticed how it is just about >>_impossible_ to use a NeXT without a mouse...shorting the switch >>manually everytime I needed a 'click') and I need either: >> >How long does a mouse switch last? My left one lasted about three years and >recently went out. I took the mouse apart and swapped the two switches in >hopes that it will last another 3 years. These switches are really easy to get, even here in germany. Check out stores with electronic parts. And they're cheap, too. Chris -- "I ride a tandem with the random.." Christian Neuss # Fraunhofer Institute for Computer Graphics Wilhelminenstr.7 # 64283 Darmstadt # Germany e-mail: neuss@igd.fhg.de finger: neuss@wildturkey.igd.fhg.de
From: sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: WANTED: NeXT mouse (black) or part (switch). Date: 5 Jul 1994 02:11:25 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <2vafgd$gst@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <2uvibq$hg6@alf.uib.no> <2v6vqi$a6v@runner.uucp> Richard Ruth (richard@runner.uucp@usc.edu) wrote: : Thor Legvold (edmtl@alf.uib.no) wrote: : : My original NeXT mouse just died (and I noticed how it is just about : : _impossible_ to use a NeXT without a mouse...shorting the switch : : manually everytime I needed a 'click') and I need either: : : a. a new NeXT mouse. : : b. a used NeXT mouse : : c. a microswitch (the factory one is: 1668RAE D2F-01, made by Omron, Japan) : : d. suggestions (maybe other third party mice will work?) I have personally replaced those switches. They're standard microswitches that are a breeze to get anywhere (you don't need the exact model, just one close enough as there aren't any special electrical characteristics to a switch. :-) Most electronic supply houses should be able to get one for you-- just show them your old one on the board inside your mouse. If you like, you can rip one out of most older Logitech mice. Can't say if they're still being used in these mice, but they used to be. One tricky part: the switches are very difficult to desolder, as they've got up to 6 "feet" soldered onto the board. Another thing of note: these switches have had their metal levers removed. The microswitch you buy will have the metal lever attached to it. The one in the mouse, as you will note, does not. Just carefully remove the lever from the new microswitch with some tweezers before soldering it onto the board. And remember to orient the switch the same way as the old one! Overall, a pretty easy item to fix. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sean Luke This signature no verb | | sean@digaudio.byu.edu ,,, U Maryland CS Grad | | sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (o o) School this September | +------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolf@merlin (Thomas Wolf) Subject: Re: Cannot get floppy to work under NS Message-ID: <CsG52v.5HL@nntpa.cb.att.com> Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories References: <2v8d9p$ati@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 02:47:19 GMT Steve Muir (smuir@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : In <Crx8D3.8KE@nntpa.cb.att.com> wolf@merlin (Thomas Wolf) writes: : > : >More trouble. Just installed NS 3.2 on an PC clone. Everything seems to : >work except for the floppy! If I boot the system under DOS, god help me, : >the drive works fine, but I can't do anything with it in NeXT. Does anyone : >have any idea as to how to "activate" it? : > : >Thanks for any help (or references to the solution). : >Tom : > : I'm not a betting man but since you didn't say, I'd have to guess that you're using : a 1542X and have your floppy cable connected to that card. If the answer is _no_, : then we need more data 8^). If the answer is _yes_ then check out the NA document I'm using the floppy controller on the motherboard - but I am using a 1542... ...now what other data can I provide? :-) I guess I could disable the floppy support on the 1542, but don't know what, if any, effect that would have. Thnx again for any info, Tom -- +------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Wolf | (908) 957-3955 |...Still can't think of anything | Bell Labs, NJ | wolf@merlin.mt.att.com | original to put in my sig... | MT 4D-213 | wolf@jolt.mt.att.com |...So this valuable real-estate +------------------------------------------+ is for sale... Disclaimer: These are my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer.
From: gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HD Problem - Is there a non-destructive surface test util for NeXT Date: 5 Jul 1994 11:47:52 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <2vbh98$3l@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <2uclv1$1of@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <2utcen$g29@portal.gmu.edu> tfs@vampire.gmu.edu wrote: : Gregory John Casamento writes : |Hi, I own a '040 NeXT cube. I had the follwing message appear on my : |CONSOLE window a few nights ago.. It hasn't happened since, but I : |iam slightly concerned... : | : |target 2, MEDIA ERROR block # 52355H, Retry #1 : | : |It did this all the way up to retry 5, and then apparently suceeded in : |doing what it had to do. What I need to know is.. is there a non-destructive : |utility I can use to find and possibly map out marginal/bad sectors on the : |disk?? I really do not want to have to re-build the entire hard disk (major : |pain). : If you find one let me know. (Other than reasb, that relativly useless program) : I belive you are screwed basicly. Best Solution is probably to do backups, put the : drive on a Sun, and resurface & remap it on that, and then init a new file system on your : NeXT when it's done. NS just doesn't have anything to deal with this sort of problem. : Tim Actaully the problem was easily fixed by reasb. I haven't had any trouble with it since. I don't think I'm screwed. If it occurs again, then I will resurface the drive, but until then why open a can of worms. Thanks for your advice. -- Gregory John Casamento -- gcasa@wam.umd.edu -- Opinions expressed in this space are mine. However, they are the -- fault of my twisted and demented professors at UMCP!!! #include <stdsig.h>
From: alec@carie.dental.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wiped Out NS Boot Manager Date: 5 Jul 1994 14:13:51 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Dept. Math, Statistics, & Comp. Sci. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2vbpqv$kdg@spool.mu.edu> Hello Next Netters, In fiddling with DOS 6.22 I wiped out the Next Boot Manager on the Dos side of my 660 meg harddrive. I can still boot fine from the floppy with "sd()mach_kernel". Does anyone know what I can do to replace it? I have a DEC pcXL 560 with 32 MB ram and NS on a 500 meg partition and a 142 meg partition for DOS. I'm using the Talus NCR scsi driver also. Thanks for any help, Alec -- Alec Ellsworth alec@carie.dental.mu.edu Marquette University alec@caries.dental.mu.edu School of Dentistry 414-288-3680 (voice,fax,or data) 604 N. 16th St. "...dental floss for the brain...for prevention Milwaukee, WI 53233 of Trooth decay..." - Rush
From: hvillega@roxette (Hugo Villegas Roji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printers EtherTalk=NeXTSTEP? Date: 5 Jul 1994 14:11:39 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <2vbpmr$2c5j@campus.mty.itesm.mx> References: <2v16kc$1pvd@campus.mty.itesm.mx> <CsEw1L.1EL@tms-gmbh.de> Hans Stoeger (hans@tms-gmbh.de) wrote: : P.S. Your email adress is incomplete! -- Hans my email adress is: hvillega@roxette.mty.itesm.mx Thank you!!! Hugo
From: bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems with modem on Next monostation Date: 5 Jul 1994 14:52:10 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <2vbs2qINNeb3@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Recently, when I tried to use my modem, it keep giving me the message "no carrier". I discovered my phone was dead. After playing with different configurations, I found that whenver I plugged the modem into the serial port of the computer, it would cause the phone line to go dead, even with the computer turned off. As soon as I unplug it, the dial tone returns. Could this be due to a bad serial port? The problem exsits with both A and B. I have a surge protector for my modem lines so I don't see how they could have been damaged. Does anyone have any insisght/suggestions? Thanks, Bruce
From: warozzi@mmm.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SUBMISSION: VideoStream.app, an AVI and MPEG player Date: 5 Jul 1994 16:07:40 GMT Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN 55144-1000 US Message-ID: <2vc0gc$dom@dawn.mmm.com> (Sorry for posting here, but NewsGrazer complained when I tried to post to csn.announce) I've just placed the source to VideoStream.app in cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions/VideoStreamV1.0Src.tar.gz. I'm not sure to where it will eventually migrate. VideoStream is a bare-bones AVI and MPEG-1 animation (no audio) viewer. It's free, subject to the copyright restrictions in the X animation viewer xanim out of which I hacked the aviDecode code, and the University of California code from which I hacked the MPEG decoder. It runs (after *you* compile it) on Intel or Moto hardware. Regards, Bill Rozzi warozzi@mmm.com
From: longsg01@slowhand.nmb.com (Gary Longsine) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ATI Mach32 PCI driver??? Date: 5 Jul 1994 17:01:21 GMT Organization: Norwest Mortgage Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2vc3l1$2kk@slowhand.nmb.com> Keywords: ATI Mach 32 PCI driver Does anyone know where I can get the alleged beta driver for the ATI Mach 32 PCI video? Please respond via email... Thanks! Gary Longsine longsg01@slowhand.nmb.com (ascii mail only)
From: hvillega@roxette (Hugo Villegas Roji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Adobe Fonts -> NeXT Fonts ? Date: 5 Jul 1994 17:12:19 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <2vc49j$1un6@campus.mty.itesm.mx> References: <MAGNAN.94Jul3141007@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA> Magnan Francois (magnan@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA) wrote: : Screen-Palatino.num.afm but I don't know how to make them. Is there a : conversion utility that could do this. Magnan: The fonts I have in my NeXTStation turbo color, came from a mac computer. What I do when I need a mac font in my next, I use a software from altys called "Metamorfosis" if you need more info about "Metamorfosis" call Lorin Rivers at Alsys: Lorin Rivers NEXTSTEP Sales Manager Altsys Corporation 269 W. Renner Parkway Richardson, Texas 75080 214.680.2060 Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com (NeXT Mail Expected) This software changes the mac fonts to next, but you have to make a special folder with the outline font and the afm file inside (next does not need screen font) and then rename this folder with the name of the outline and the extension .font. Then you can intalled in your system I hope this can help you. If you need more info about this, please feel free to ask me by email -- .................................................................. . Hugo Ernesto Villegas Roji . . Nexit Diseno Grafico . . . . Ricardo Margain Zozaya 210-5 / CP 66267 . . Valle de Santa Engracia / Garza Garcia / Nuevo Leon / Mexico . . tels. 52 (8) 335 19 14 / 335 19 15 / 335 08 87 / 356 30 53 fax . ..................................................................
From: shelbean@neil-armstrong.media.mit.edu (Michelle Eng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SimonSays Date: 5 Jul 1994 18:13:28 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Message-ID: <2vc7s8$pto@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> Hi. I work for Mike Hawley at MIT. We're looking for a pointer to Greg Cockroft concerning his work on the Next application SimonSays. Can anyone help me with this? shelbean@mit.edu (Michelle Eng)
Date: 05 Jul 1994 17:46:00 +0200 From: bernd@xtreme.sh.sub.org (Bernd Christiansen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <5SI7woJ8pWB@xtreme.sh.sub.org> Subject: Nextstep an Uni HH ?? Hi !! Ich suche Studenten, die an der Universität Hamburg studieren und Nextstep auf einem INTEL 80x86 einsetzen (bei d'ART wurde mir versichert, daß Nextstep unter Studenten durchaus verbreitet sei.). Ich bin sehr an ersten Erfahrungen mit Nextstep auf INTEL interessiert (insbesondere Geschwindigkeit, "Umstieg" von C++ auf Objective C, Qualität der Entwicklungsumgebung). Eine kurze email wäre nett !! D A N K E Bernd Christiansen Uni HH, Fachbereich Informatik ## CrossPoint v2.92 ##
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: neekibo@precipice.fdn.org (Hugues RICHARD) Subject: Re: Adobe Fonts -> NeXT Fonts ? Message-ID: <1994Jul4.222333.581@precipice.fdn.org> Sender: neekibo@precipice.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Dijon, France. References: <MAGNAN.94Jul3141007@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 22:23:33 GMT In article <MAGNAN.94Jul3141007@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA> magnan@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA (Magnan Francois) writes: > > I discovered files like outline/Palatino and afm/Palatino.afm in my > /NextLibrary/Fonts folder. I would like to know if it is possible to convert > them to a Palatino.font file usable by NeXTSTEP (i am using 3.2 on black). > I realise that I would need some palatino.bepf file and some > Screen-Palatino.num.afm but I don't know how to make them. Is there a > conversion utility that could do this. > You don t need .bepf, nor .num.afm to use a font. These files are only used to have screen most used representation available, for exemple 10 pt, 12 pt. Just put your outline and .afm in a directory called Palatino-Roman.font (or -Italic, -Bold, ...) and place this directory in /LocalLibrary/Font (NeXTLibrary is for NeXT file, theorically) and run "buildafmdir /LocalLibrary/Fonts" in a shell. Verify then in your favorite WordProcessor(TTX) If it doesn t work, verify you outline and afm files (especially the first lines : name, familly, ...). There are a lot of NeXTAnswers speaking about that (I ve got some 91 s NXAsnwers in english, not in french about this subject). > -- > **************************************************** > ** Francois Magnan : magnan@mathcn.umontreal.ca ** > ** Dept. Mathematiques, Universite de Montreal ** > **************************************************** -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Hugues RICHARD. 42 Bd Carnot. 21000 Dijon. France. (+33) 80 65 46 96 neekibo@precipice.fdn.org (small NextMail OK)
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: WANTED: NeXT mouse (black) or part (switch). Date: 2 Jul 1994 14:27:14 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2v3tg2$5o8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2uvibq$hg6@alf.uib.no> edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes: >My original NeXT mouse just died (and I noticed how it is just about >_impossible_ to use a NeXT without a mouse...shorting the switch >manually everytime I needed a 'click') and I need either: > >a. a new NeXT mouse. >b. a used NeXT mouse >c. a microswitch (the factory one is: 1668RAE D2F-01, made by Omron, Japan) >d. suggestions (maybe other third party mice will work?) > >I have an original cube which has been upgraded several times, and >that includes the original keyboard (not ADB) and monitor series. > >For the moment I've configured Preferences to use the mouse as a >right handed one so I can still use the other button, but I'd like >to fix it before it dies completely. How long does a mouse switch last? My left one lasted about three years and recently went out. I took the mouse apart and swapped the two switches in hopes that it will last another 3 years. For advice on mice I would try contacting Dancing Bear Enterprises at +1-303-479-9101 (fax: +1-303-479-9442, email: tim@dancingbear.com). Jim Beauchamp
From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Half life of black hardware? Date: 2 Jul 1994 14:49:38 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2v3uq2$6i3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2ut725$f83@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <2uvtvk$of@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: >jdevlin@umich.edu (John Devlin) writes: > >>I have a Mono NeXTStation purchased new in the fall of 91. I am >>tempted to add more memory (20MB to 32MB) and an external 1GB hard >>disk (the internal disk is 200MB and very cramped). > >>QUESTION: Is it prudent to invest $1600 in this system? I am, in > >If your machine is 3 years old and you haven't had problems, you >probably won't. The first 2000 or so N4000A's sold had a defect (every >single one we got in our first shipment in '91 had it!), but they >went bad within about 6 months to a year. Dave Lemson ought to know, since he's been the administrator of a hundred or so NeXT's over the past few years. However, I've had my hands on about 6 of them for the past 3 years, and this is our record: 3 bad monochrome and 1 bad color display; 1 bad OD; 1 bad HD; 1 bad mouse, 1 marginal printer. Maybe we've had worse luck than most, but my gut feeling is that things will tend to go out as time progresses, and for good insurance for the longer run, one should buy a cheap backup machine for spare parts. You can't go wrong adding an external SCSI drive, though, as you can just transfer this to a different machine if your machine fails. Jim Beauchamp UIUC
From: art@cubicsol.com (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WANTED: NeXT mouse (black) or part (switch). Date: 2 Jul 1994 18:03:22 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2v4a5a$c44@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <2v3tg2$5o8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <2v3tg2$5o8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: > edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes: > > >My original NeXT mouse just died (and I noticed how it is just about > >_impossible_ to use a NeXT without a mouse...shorting the switch > >manually everytime I needed a 'click') and I need either: > > > >c. a microswitch (the factory one is: 1668RAE D2F-01, made by Omron, Japan) > > How long does a mouse switch last? My left one lasted about three years and > recently went out. I took the mouse apart and swapped the two switches in > hopes that it will last another 3 years. > This was posted a while back so I don't know if the info is still valid: Omron #D2F-01 My left mouse button also broke several months ago, and I also couldn't find an exact replacement for the button inside my mouse. But I did find a switch that works just dandy. It's made by Cherry. According to the Digi-Key catalog I have in front of me, the Cherry part number is: DG2C-B1AA The Digi-Key part number is: CH167-ND Digi-Key's phone number for orders (including catalog requests I presume) is 1-800-DIGIKEY. Their service number is (218) 681-6674. --- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Consultant NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: art@cubicsol.com Voice: +1 408 335 1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: +1 408 335 2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Subject: Re: Benchmark Results, 90mhz Pentium, Stealth 64 Message-ID: <CsB9J5.C6L@belly.in-berlin.de> Sender: usenet@belly.in-berlin.de Organization: - none - References: <2v1eac$i58@u.cc.utah.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 11:35:28 GMT In article <2v1eac$i58@u.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) writes: [...] > > : controller. Any suggestions on a good PCI SCSI controller for NeXTStep > : would be appreciated! > > > ASUS SC200 uses the NCR53C810, and is rumored to be compatible with the > Talus driver. It _is_ compatible. -- Axel Habermann \\|// "Wenn Du nicht kiwi@belly.in-berlin.de (NeXT-Mail) )o o( weisst was Du kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (NO NeXT-Mail) \ | / tust, mach's FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 \~/ mit Eleganz!"
From: gregory@nukestep.mit.edu (Gregory B Howland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do you send GIF files? Date: 3 Jul 1994 00:07:59 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <2v4vgv$g70@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> How can I send a GIF file to someone who accesses the internet through Compuserve using DOS/Windows? Is it possible to use NeXTMail or would I need to install Pine and send it as an attachment? Thanks, Greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: How do you send GIF files? Message-ID: <CsC9CI.1L9@cunews.carleton.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <2v4vgv$g70@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 00:29:05 GMT Gregory B Howland (gregory@nukestep.mit.edu) wrote: : How can I send a GIF file to someone who accesses : the internet through Compuserve using DOS/Windows? : Is it possible to use NeXTMail or would I need to : install Pine and send it as an attachment? They certainly won't be able to read NeXTMail. I have no idea if Compu$erve has pine mailer (I doubt it). Pine will compile an run on NeXTSTEP without modification, so I'm told. The easiest (well...) thing to do is to uuencode the file. UUENCODE and UUDECODE are included in NeXTSTEP. They are also available for DOS/Windows (look on oak.oakland.edu:/pub/msdos/uuencode), free ones too. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: New Hardware up and Running, BenchMarks? Message-ID: <CsCA03.2Lw@cunews.carleton.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <schwettCs6uxH.5Lt@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 00:43:14 GMT schwett@netcom.com wrote: : The system is a 90mhz Pentium (Micronics Motherboard), PCI bus, 32 MB RAM, : and a Diamond Stealth64 PCI Video Adapter with 4MB VRAM. Originally, it was : an ATi Graphics Pro Turbo which is now sitting on the shelf next to me since : the drivers are not available yet. : I suspect that the bottleneck here is the Adaptec 1542CF, which is connected : to a Fujitsu M2694 1gb SCSI-II drive. "DiskPerformance.app" gives me an : index of about 1.0, which seems pretty poor. : Any suggestions on benchmarks or possible PCI SCSI adapters? Talus makes a PCI SCSI driver. Also, they produce a PCI ATI driver of some sort. Email info@talus.com It is quite certain that the Adaptec 1542CF will be a significant bottleneck. On a Pentium, you should have an EISA (DPT) or PCI SCSI controller. ISA 16-bit just doesn't cut it. --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (Chris Saldanha) Subject: Re: Adobe Sonata - Convert Mac to NeXT Message-ID: <CsCArC.3KH@cunews.carleton.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <CsAML0.Bxp@news.otago.ac.nz> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 00:59:35 GMT Alastair Thomson (alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz) wrote: : Hi, : I have just purchased the Adobe Sonata font. Since Adobe no longer : sell NeXTSTEP fonts, they kindly :-/ sent me the Mac version instead. : Can someone tell me how to convert it into a NeXTSTEP font. Or better : still, could someone NeXTmail me a genuine NeXTSTEP Sonata font. I think the Convert_FONT.app program should do this. It is for converting Mac fonts to and from NeXTSTEP You should be able to find it at ftp.cs.orst.edu Trilithon makes a set of commercial font converters for PC and Mac PS fonts. These will also auto-install the fonts when converted. Email info@trilithon.com --Chris Chris Saldanha -------------------------------------- Carleton University (Comp. Sci) |"The eternal silence of these infinite| chris@computerActive.on.ca (NeXTMail) | spaces terrifies me." -Blaise Pascal| csaldanh@mae.carleton.ca (NeXT/MIME) ------------------:-o-----------------
From: blake015@bullnext.CAC.Washington.EDU (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: You know who you are but I don't Date: 3 Jul 1994 04:37:43 GMT Organization: Duke University Medical Center Information Systems Message-ID: <2v5fan$2rk@news.duke.edu> Following up to my own post...perhaps I should mention that I have short blonde hair and was wearing a bright pink blazer. Denise Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 286-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | NeXTMail welcome!
From: mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NXBench Results : 90MHZ Pentium + Stealth64 Date: 2 Jul 1994 11:22:57 +0100 Organization: Palumbian Research Labs Message-ID: <2v3f61$3lm@marsu.tynet.sub.org> References: <schwettCs78Hx.E1F@netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: benchmarks schwett@netcom.com writes: >Some clarification on the NXFactor score : does it take into account pixel >depth, or is it independent of this? The failry low 1.48 result would lead >me to believe that the hardware/software combo of the Stealth 64 is only >1.48 times faster than the NeXTStation Turbo that got 1.0, but the NeXT >was running in a 2bit mode, whereas I ran in a 32 bit mode. If I could run >the Stealth64 in a 2 bit mode, would I get something like 20+? >Am I misinterpreting the benchmarks? A bit. I don't estimate at what NXBench factor the Stealth64 would perform in 2 bit mode, but I can assure you that 1.48 means that your graphic performance really screams. I haven't read about a better mark yet. -- /dev/ Markus Wenzel /usr/spool/mail/ mow@marsu.tynet.sub.org /etc/zoneinfo/ University of Stuttgart /bin/ps System administration, Consulting, Networking
From: geom2@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Michael Moellney ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Workspace.app hangs Date: 3 Jul 1994 17:45:07 GMT Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany Message-ID: <2v6tf3$lk1@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Hi! On a new 3.2 installed Intel-System, nearly all works fine, but Workspace.app. Problem is, that from time to time Workspace suddenly (mostly if I try to change a Name or I scroll a browser-view) you can see the spinning weel and that's it. It doesn't stop anymore. You can still start Applications from the Dock, but they're also some times slow on responce. Hardware: AMD 486-DX2 66Mhz, Asus PCI Mainboard with integrated NCR-SCSI, IBM 0662-s12 HD, 16MB RAM, ELSA Winner 1000 PRO PCI. Thanks for any hints, Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: magnan@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA (Magnan Francois) Subject: Adobe Fonts -> NeXT Fonts ? Message-ID: <MAGNAN.94Jul3141007@maths1.MATHCN.UMontreal.CA> Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 18:10:07 GMT I discovered files like outline/Palatino and afm/Palatino.afm in my /NextLibrary/Fonts folder. I would like to know if it is possible to convert them to a Palatino.font file usable by NeXTSTEP (i am using 3.2 on black). I realise that I would need some palatino.bepf file and some Screen-Palatino.num.afm but I don't know how to make them. Is there a conversion utility that could do this. Thank you, Francois Magnan -- **************************************************** ** Francois Magnan : magnan@mathcn.umontreal.ca ** ** Dept. Mathematiques, Universite de Montreal ** ****************************************************
From: "Wesley C. Smith" <wes@arissoft.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do you send GIF files? Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 20:26:16 GMT Organization: Take Three Message-ID: <940703152616.4310AAABE.wes@arissoft> References: <2v4vgv$g70@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Eloquent) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >How can I send a GIF file to someone who accesses >the internet through Compuserve using DOS/Windows? >Is it possible to use NeXTMail or would I need to >install Pine and send it as an attachment? If they can receive MIME mail, you could send it with Eloquent. For more info about Eloquent send a message to eloquent_info@arissoft.com. Wesley C. Smith wes@arissoft.com MIME and NeXTmail ok Take Three P.O. Box 203852 (512) 837-9784 Austin, TX 78720-3852 (512) 837-8102 (fax)
From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT for PowerMac Swap (better deals) Date: 3 Jul 1994 22:41:26 GMT Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD Message-ID: <2v7eqm$b23@lll-winken.llnl.gov> References: <2v27q5$iqf@search01.news.aol.com> NeXTMan01 writes > Trade::: Turbo Mono NeXT 16/250 17" Mon, Mouse & Keys > For::: Color Mac Centris 610 4/230 w/ethernet, 14" Color Monitor > Extended Keys & Mouse > [etc] BEWARE! I believe the Apple PowerPC machines do not conform to the Power Architecture standard, and consequently may not work with a PowerPC NeXTSTEP release, if such a thing ever occurs. --Glenn Disclaimer: I'm not SURE, though.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Subject: Re: Would like focus-follows-mouse? Message-ID: <CsC0FI.7p@shinto.nbg.sub.org> Sender: tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org (Thomas Engel) Organization: Molecule Modelling Lab. References: <2upev6$shc@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 21:16:30 GMT In article <2upev6$shc@hamblin.math.byu.edu> sean@zapotec.math.byu.edu (Sean O. Luke) writes: > The thing I hate the most about certain point-to-focus systems, > is that you have to point _into_ a text field to type in it. Whoops! > hit the mouse with my elbow; now I can't type there any more. Why > did they do it like this? > This is one of my big one under X. Run Mosaic, open and URL, typ some nice letters and find myself a few more window richer :-) From the user side this is a horror. Under HP-VUE I switched to click-to-focus..and guess what... Mosaics text widgets are still point-to-focus. &%@#-/%. It a religious topic anyway. But clcik-to-focus is more intuitive IMHO (maybe not that fast or efficient when editing 4 source files). Aloha, Tomi -- _________________________________________________________ (tomi@shinto.nbg.sub.org) Thomas Engel Neptunstr. 9 NeXTMail welcome D - 90522 Oberasbach
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: schwett@netcom.com Subject: Intel : NBUF vs. Size of buffers? Message-ID: <schwettCsE4tv.LoH@netcom.com> Keywords: nbuf intel buffers cache Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 00:46:43 GMT Hi.. I've been trying to boost my disk performance a bit, so I thought increasing the number of buffers on my 32mb system might help a bit. After checking the FAQ, I tried sd()mach_kernel nbuf=128 from the NS/i boot program. This gives me the startup mesasge "using 128 buffers containing .63 megabytes of memory," which is the same amount it normally uses with 64 buffers. Is there a command to increase the SIZE of the buffers? I didn't see anything along those lines in the FAQs... Thanks! Mark Schwettmann schwett@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jlu@cs.umr.edu (Eric Jui-Lin Lu) Subject: [HELP] autonfsmount (NS 3.2) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 22:12:08 GMT Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University Sender: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Administration) Message-ID: <1994Jul3.221208.11944@umr.edu> Hi *, We recently upgraded our black boxes from NS 2.1 to NS 3.2. (Well, kind of upgrade. You'll see what happened.) The first one we tried is the Cube station which we use as the server. However, we found that autonfsmount is not working properly. We have, for example, server:/bin /Net nfs rw,bg,net 0 0 in the fstab netinfo map. And we have, /usr/etc/autonfsmount -a /private -m /Net -fstab in out /etc/rc file. However, after reboot the server, we don't get /private/Net/server/bin. In fact, we don't even see /private/Net/server. Does anyone know what's wrong? (We upgraded thru Upgrader.app; not re-install from scratch.) Sugguest/Comment? Thanks!! --Eric -- ***************************************--- Grad. student ---* * Obviousness is always the enemy of * \ Jui-Lin Lu (Eric) / * * correctness. -- Bertrand Russell * / jlu@cs.umr.edu \ * ***************************************--- Univ. of Missouri-Rolla ---*
From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: You know who you are but I don't Date: 4 Jul 1994 04:11:44 GMT Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Distribution: world Message-ID: <2v8260$mlb@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> References: <2v5fan$2rk@news.duke.edu> In article <2v5fan$2rk@news.duke.edu> blake015@bullnext.CAC.Washington.EDU (Denise Blakeley) writes: > > Following up to my own post...perhaps I should mention that I have short > blonde hair and was wearing a bright pink blazer. Take it to comp.sys.next.personals, Denise! ;-) -- Nathan "USENET" Janette Systems Manager, Brunger Lab, Dept MB&B, Yale Univ/HHMI, New Haven, CT PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: fairfield@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Summary: Re: Trouble w/NSI 3.2 and Logitech Bus Mouse Message-ID: <1994Jul3.214434.1@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <1994Jul1.170744.1@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 05:44:34 GMT A few days ago, I posted with a problem having to do with getting a Logitech Bus Mouse to work on NSI 3.2 (replacing a Microsoft Serial Mouse, which had been working). I'd like to thank the following people who either posted or sent me e-mail: Matt Kennel <mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu> George Fankhauser <fankhauser@uptime.ch> Jerry D. Pierce <jdpierc@netcom.com Matt's post was probably (well, should have been...see below) the most helpful. He pointed me to NeXT Answers 1594, NEXTSTEP In Focus, Winter 1994. The first topic there is "Broken Mouse After Install". The suggested fix is to use config=Default at the boot: prompt in order to get all three mouse drivers loaded. Then after a successful boot, to go into Configure.app and select the mouse driver you want, and reboot. Unfortunately, that didn't work for me because of a rather complex (to me) network configuration (yellow pages and all): the system hung after getting most of the way through the boot. Others suggested going into the configure app and changing the mouse driver, but hey, the mouse don't work, how am I supposed to open the application, let alone make selections, when the mouse is dead, like, totally? Well, I'm pretty new to NeXTStep and I'll bet there's a way to use keyboard substitutes for the mouse, but I didn't know them at the time and didn't have ready access to manuals. So... Turns out that the serial mouse was using the serial port of a serial/parallel card, and since the parallel port is being used, the card was still installed after I added the bus-mouse card. So I simply unplugged the bus mouse (probably not necessary), plugged in the serial mouse to its old port, and rebooted. Now with a functional mouse, I could go into Configure.app, add the Busmouse driver (and remove the Serialmouse driver), save the configuration, and shutdown the system. Unplugged the serial mouse, plugged in the bus mouse, rebooted, and now I'm a happy camper. :-) The lesson _I've_ learned is that, if you're anticipating a hardware change, make any needed configuration changes _before_ you shutdown. -Ken -- Dr. Kenneth H. Fairfield | Internet: Fairfield@Slac.Stanford.Edu SLAC, P.O.Box 4349, MS 98 | DECnet: 45537::FAIRFIELD (45537=SLACVX) Stanford, CA 94309 | Voice: (415) 926-2924 FAX: (415) 926-4335 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: root@net23.com (Operator) Subject: Re: default shell on NS 3.2 References: <2uuqqk$ok3@transfer.stratus.com> <2uvni8$efn@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) Organization: Misconfigured client newsreader Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 05:38:33 GMT Message-ID: <CsEICA.Bqw@spcuna.spc.edu> Dauphin (root@Carovigno.student.rose-hulman.edu) wrote: : [ stuff about putting tcsh in /bin deleted ] : Also try putting it in /etc/shells. I believe the WorkSpace manager checks that file also. This isn't true. I run /home/info/menu as a shell for my "info" login and it isn't in /etc/shells or in netinfo So there! -- Nick Jarecki | Network 23 - InterNet Services Provider razor@net23.com | (shell,FTP,WWW) in the New York/Metro area Voice: [917-424-8806] | Email "info@net23.com" Ask me about our Hamburgers | Telnet to net23.com, login:info To access our REVOLUTIONARY WWW server, point your client to http://net23.com
From: richard@runner.uucp@usc.edu (Richard Ruth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: WANTED: NeXT mouse (black) or part (switch). Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.marketplace Date: 3 Jul 1994 11:25:22 -0700 Organization: runner Message-ID: <2v6vqi$a6v@runner.uucp> References: <2uvibq$hg6@alf.uib.no> Thor Legvold (edmtl@alf.uib.no) wrote: : My original NeXT mouse just died (and I noticed how it is just about : _impossible_ to use a NeXT without a mouse...shorting the switch : manually everytime I needed a 'click') and I need either: : a. a new NeXT mouse. : b. a used NeXT mouse : c. a microswitch (the factory one is: 1668RAE D2F-01, made by Omron, Japan) : d. suggestions (maybe other third party mice will work?) I need to know about a replacement mouse, too. Please post (or e-mail me) the results thanks -- Richard richard%runner.uucp@usc.edu (ok to send NeXT Mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@net23.com (Operator) Subject: Problems with Cables.app Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) Organization: Misconfigured client newsreader Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 07:01:42 GMT Message-ID: <CsEM6v.DrB@spcuna.spc.edu> Hi. I'm running Cables.app on NS/FIP 3.2 and I am having a slight problem which makes it unusable The Shift-Numerals don't work (ie: "!, @, #, $, etc.) What's wrong??? -- Nick Jarecki | Network 23 - InterNet Services Provider razor@net23.com | (shell,FTP,WWW) in the New York/Metro area Voice: [917-424-8806] | Email "info@net23.com" Ask me about our Hamburgers | Telnet to net23.com, login:info To access our REVOLUTIONARY WWW server, point your client to http://net23.com
From: smuir@ix.netcom.com (Steve Muir) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cannot get floppy to work under NS Date: 4 Jul 1994 07:21:29 GMT Organization: Netcom Distribution: world Message-ID: <2v8d9p$ati@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> In <Crx8D3.8KE@nntpa.cb.att.com> wolf@merlin (Thomas Wolf) writes: > >More trouble. Just installed NS 3.2 on an PC clone. Everything seems to >work except for the floppy! If I boot the system under DOS, god help me, >the drive works fine, but I can't do anything with it in NeXT. Does anyone >have any idea as to how to "activate" it? > >Thanks for any help (or references to the solution). >Tom > I'm not a betting man but since you didn't say, I'd have to guess that you're using a 1542X and have your floppy cable connected to that card. If the answer is _no_, then we need more data 8^). If the answer is _yes_ then check out the NA document on the 1542X cards and you'll see that the gods do not support the Adaptec on-board floppy controller (it's *very* noisy). You can start a NS install with their floppy controller but after that you have to use a separate one (either on the motherboard or on another card). BTW, flip switch 5 on the Adaptec to disable its floppy port. Hope this helps, Steve
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Distribution: world Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 22:01:37 PDT Message-ID: <1994Jul04.050137.974@corona.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: You know who you are but I don't References: <2v5fan$2rk@news.duke.edu> From: blake015@bullnext.CAC.Washington.EDU (Denise Blakeley) > Following up to my own post...perhaps I should mention > that I have short blonde hair and was wearing a bright > pink blazer. > > Denise Was he tall and wearing lots of black leather? If so, look over in csn.advocacy... --- NeXTMail:peter.kron@corona.com Corona Design, Inc. P.O. Box 51022 Seattle, WA 98115-1022
From: mmalc@hip.atr.co.jp (Malcolm D. Crawford) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AIFF and WAVSound inspectors Date: 4 Jul 1994 03:07:30 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9407040807.AA12097@hsun26> Sorry to many people who have asked for these in the last couple of days: I have recently arrived in Japan where I am temporarily NeXT-less. I believe the situation will be remedied in the near future, and I will be able to send the inspectors to those who have requested them. Ideally I'll also be able to package them up and put them on an ftp-site too... Until then, Have fun, mmalcolm
From: dcell@tudhope.com (Dan Ellison) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cannot get floppy to work under NS Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Mon, 04 Jul 1994 08:06:30 +0500 Organization: Tudhope Associates Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <dcell-040794080631@tudhope.tor.hookup.net> References: <2v8d9p$ati@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> In article <2v8d9p$ati@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>, smuir@ix.netcom.com (Steve Muir) wrote: > In <Crx8D3.8KE@nntpa.cb.att.com> wolf@merlin (Thomas Wolf) writes: > > > > >More trouble. Just installed NS 3.2 on an PC clone. Everything seems to > >work except for the floppy! If I boot the system under DOS, god help me, > >the drive works fine, but I can't do anything with it in NeXT. Does anyone > >have any idea as to how to "activate" it? > > > >Thanks for any help (or references to the solution). > >Tom > > > I'm not a betting man but since you didn't say, I'd have to guess that you're using > a 1542X and have your floppy cable connected to that card. If the answer is _no_, > then we need more data 8^). If the answer is _yes_ then check out the NA document > on the 1542X cards and you'll see that the gods do not support the Adaptec on-board > floppy controller (it's *very* noisy). You can start a NS install with their floppy > controller but after that you have to use a separate one (either on the motherboard > or on another card). BTW, flip switch 5 on the Adaptec to disable its floppy port. > > Hope this helps, > > Steve Actually, I *DO* use the floppy controller on my 1542C under NS/FIP 3.2. I don't have much choice, as I have no IDE drives in my system, and I long ago replaced my two dollar "multi-I/O" card with a proper 16550 serial card (with printer port). I've had a _bit_ of trouble with the floppy controller, but generally, it does work. I can access Messy-DOS, Mac, and NS formatted disks. What exactly is the problem with the floppy controller on the 1542X? Define "*very* noisy" -- Daniel C. Ellison Phone: 416-366-7100 Tudhope Associates Inc. Fax: 416-366-7711 International Graphic Design dcell@tudhope.com
From: wolfgang@wi.WHU-Koblenz.de (Wolfgang Roeckelein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NewsGrazer Problem was: Eww! sorry bout that. Date: 4 Jul 1994 11:52:30 GMT Organization: WHU Koblenz Distribution: world Message-ID: <2v8t5u$s2@obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de> References: <2utct9$g8l@portal.gmu.edu> In article <2utct9$g8l@portal.gmu.edu> tfs@vampire.gmu.edu writes: > > I was getting "Posting Failed" errors... Sorry bout the extras. Obviously NG got > it wrong. Has anybody a solution to this annoying problem. I have these problems, too. and NewsGrazer won't allow me to concel my own articles claiming they are not mine!! Help, please, Wolfgang -- Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Inf. Voice: +49 261 6509 173 Wolfgang Roeckelein Fax: +49 261 6509 179 WHU Koblenz E-Mail: roeckelein@wi.whu-koblenz.de Burgplatz 2 (NeXTmail ok) D-56179 Vallendar Germany
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NewsGrazer Problem was: Eww! sorry bout that. Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:00:16 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <oi61Lka00iUzE11EkR@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <2v8t5u$s2@obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 4-Jul-94 NewsGrazer Problem was: Ew.. by Wolfgang Roeckelein@wi.W > In article <2utct9$g8l@portal.gmu.edu> tfs@vampire.gmu.edu writes: >> >> I was getting "Posting Failed" errors... Sorry bout the extras. >> Obviously NG got it wrong. > > Has anybody a solution to this annoying problem. I have these problems, > too. and NewsGrazer won't allow me to concel my own articles claiming they > are not mine!! You could always try using another newsreader that works correctly, such as GNUS in Emacs, tin, etc. -Chuck Charles William Swiger - WhiteLight Systems | "All the world's a stage, and" --------------------------------------------+ "we are merely players...." AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@cswiger.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | "Semper ubi sub ubi."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: You know who you are but I don't Message-ID: <1994Jul4.155307.20170@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada References: <2v5fan$2rk@news.duke.edu> <1994Jul04.050137.974@corona.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 15:53:07 GMT In article <1994Jul04.050137.974@corona.com> pkron@corona.com writes: >From: blake015@bullnext.CAC.Washington.EDU (Denise Blakeley)>> Following up to my own post...perhaps I should mention >> that I have short blonde hair and was wearing a bright >> pink blazer. >> >> Denise > >Was he tall and wearing lots of black leather? If so, look over in >csn.advocacy... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh my god... this has to go into the FAQ as the funniest thing ever said in the NeXT groups. Topical, witty, and subtle! Of course, if you don't follow .advocacy, then you won't get it ;-). - db (BTW, I'm not laughing any anyone in particular, just the strange goings on around here, culminated by this beautiful unifying theorem... so please, don't anyone take offense :-) -- I have a heart condition... if you hit me, it's murder. -- Withnail -- We are millionares! -- and I -- To you, we're not deep -- Housemartins -- A bit small for a share certificate -- Cleese -- Smoke me a kipper, skipper, I'll be back for breakfast. -- Ace Rimmer -- He's the tallest man by a dam site. -- Crow --
From: u8021804@cc.nctu.edu.tw () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: miro Crystal 20SD driver Date: 4 Jul 1994 15:41:09 GMT Organization: Computer Center, National Chiao-Tung University, Taiwan Message-ID: <2v9ail$fhj@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Hi, Does anyone know where to get the miro Crystal 20SD driver for NS/intel? If you have any information, please email me. Thanks a lot TC
From: mike@dannug.dk (Michael Zedeler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Getting loginHook to work Date: 4 Jul 1994 16:54:12 GMT Organization: Danish NeXT User Group Distribution: world Message-ID: <2v9erk$98@nexia.dk> References: <2utk1f$b66@news.duke.edu> In article <2utk1f$b66@news.duke.edu> blake015@terra.CAC.Washington.EDU (Denise Blakeley) writes: > > I'm having a problem trying to utilize a loginHook to play a sound when I > login. I've looked at the FAQs and the NeXTAnswers regarding this but I'm > still stuck. > > Here's what my /usr/local/bin/loginHook looks like: > > #!/bin/csh -f > > set NAME=`whoami` > > if (${NAME} == "denise") then > source /denise/.loginHook > else if (${NAME} == "root") then > source /.loginHook > endif > > The problem is that when I log in as denise and this script is run, whoami > returns "root" so root's .loginHook is sourced instead of mine! How can > this be? > [...stuff deleted...] > I thought /etc/utmp was used for "who am i" only, not "whoami", but perhaps > I'm mistaken? Are these messages a problem? The above problem was suggested solved by Joe Keenan, but making your computer play sounds at you in this particular way isn't too generic. What about changing your LoginHook to: #!/bin/csh -f if ( -r ~$1/.wlogin ) then source ~$1/.wlogin endif That'll enable all users on your machine to deploy their own customized Workspace login procedures. Michael. -- Michael Zedeler, Roskilde University, Member of Danish NeXT U. G. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, 80x86. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (Alex Nghiem) Subject: netcom as a provider Message-ID: <1994Jul4.170106.10929@pcp.ca> Keywords: netcom, service Sender: news@pcp.ca Organization: PanCanadian Petroleum Ltd. Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 17:01:06 GMT Group: I'm considering using NETCOM as an e-mail provider and would like to know if anyone out there would like to share their experiences. I would like to know the following: 1. How good is the tech support, i.e, how fast is the turnaround time if there's a problem? 2. Does the service provide domain name registration? Their brochure claims so but has anyone out there succeeded with this? 3. Does NETCOM support NeXTMail? This may be a naive question but I just wanted to make sure. I currently use UUNET and am quite satisfied except for the high costs. Netcom seems to provide the same service at a lower cost. Please e-mail me and I'll summarize if there's interest. Thanks, Alex Nghiem_Alex@pcp.ca (until July 22nd) alex@oolesson.com (always)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Subject: Re: You know who you are but I don't Message-ID: <CsFBC9.13x@genoa.com> Keywords: black leather whips chains homophobia Sender: alex@genoa.com (Alex Blakemore) Organization: Genoa Software Systems References: <1994Jul04.050137.974@corona.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 16:04:57 GMT Denise Blakeley wrote: > I have short blonde hair and was wearing a bright pink blazer. Peter Kron wrote: > Was he tall and wearing lots of black leather? If so, look over in > csn.advocacy... That could explain alot. Perhaps she only thought she was dancing with three guys, but in reality the mystery man was dancing with the other guys... and using her as a prop to avoid facing his true feelings? :-) -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hans@tms-gmbh.de(Hans Stoeger) Subject: Re: Printers EtherTalk=NeXTSTEP? Message-ID: <CsEw1L.1EL@tms-gmbh.de> Sender: usenet@tms-gmbh.de Organization: tms GmbH, Regensburg, Germany References: <2v16kc$1pvd@campus.mty.itesm.mx> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:34:32 GMT In article <2v16kc$1pvd@campus.mty.itesm.mx> hvillega@roxette (Hugo Villegas Roji) writes: > Hi! > > I istalled NeXTSTEP 3.2 in our server and we found the PrintManager does not have the possibility to conect and Agfa Accuset imagesetter via Ethernet with apple share protocols. With 3.0 it was Hi! If you understand German or know anybody who translates for you, I have instructions how to connect the AGFA using a UNIX protocoll. This is alos a speedier connection! Hope it helps Hans P.S. Your email adress is incomplete!
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Getting loginHook to work Date: 4 Jul 1994 19:27:54 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <2v9nrq$ar1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2utk1f$b66@news.duke.edu> <2v9erk$98@nexia.dk> mike@dannug.dk (Michael Zedeler) writes: >What about changing your LoginHook to: >#!/bin/csh -f >if ( -r ~$1/.wlogin ) then > source ~$1/.wlogin >endif >That'll enable all users on your machine to deploy their own customized >Workspace login procedures. As noted previously, it will also enable each of your users on your machine to become root with trivial ease, as the shelll will be run as root and any commands in .wlogin will be run as root. You need to do an "su -c <commandname> $1" in order to do this safely. -- David Lemson University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
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